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and send me a text or a quick email to

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doctor Jeff. That's Dr Jeff at petlifradio dot com. We'd

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love to hear from you. And I realized it was

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crazy as I was signing off the show last week

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and we're talking about whether or not we're going to

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be here Thanksgiving. I'm pushing Thanksgiving because I was two

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weeks early. We have it yet, not only today. We

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have another week and then it looks like on Thursday,

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Thanksgiving Day we will be on air. We're hoping to

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at least, So if you get a chance, no excuse

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because you won't be working, you'll be watching some football maybe,

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but take a quick break for a half hour. And

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I listened to us live here on pet Life Radio.

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So anyway, we actually have a caller. Keith was calling in.

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This is the true sign of somebody loves to listen

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to our show. They're calling in before we even start

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the show, which I love. And anyway, so Keith is

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called in with the question and we asked him to

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hold and Keith, are you there?

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Speaker 3: Sure? I am, Doctor Jeff, thank you for taking my question.

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Speaker 2: Sure, go ahead. What's up? What can we help you

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with today?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have a problem. And you know, finally I said,

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maybe doctor Jeff knows it. My dog, Max, a pooch,

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is a wonderful dog. He performs in front of people.

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I can take him any place I want to. He's

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been at schools, he's been wherever, inside public buildings, whatever.

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I take him to the vet and he takes a

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vat hands off. He's traumatized. His background as he's a

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rescue dog. We rescued him at about six months of

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age and he went from we believe he was isolated

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in a basement and then he went from that environment

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to an animal shelter where he was vetted. He had

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to have an operation hernie operation and of course his shots.

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He probably had never been to a vet before, and

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we've tried different vets, different genders, male, female. He gets

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in the parking lot of a vetinarian and he gets

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one whift fifty feet away and he just starts to tremble.

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Speaker 2: Well for the ideas, absolutely have a lot of ideas.

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And you said the magic word right there at the

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very last line. You said it gets a with and

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that is so important because here's what's going on. This

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poor dog obviously was in a bad situation somewhere at

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the beginning. And so can you imagine imagine a little kid.

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That's why you know it's interesting you say that I

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can walk into an exam room wearing my white coat,

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sometimes my stethoscope draped around my neck, and fortunately my

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patients are not like Max. They actually will run over

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to me and give me major tongue. However, if mom

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is there with her small child as well, and I

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walk in that room and the kid starts to cry,

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So it's all about experience. And poor Max obviously had

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a horrendous experience between the surgery, having his neuter, the

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hernia fixed, the injections. Maybe the way he was handled

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from that very first veterinarian, especially if it was a

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shelter kind of veterinarian, maybe you know that for them,

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they don't have that relationship they have. There's such good

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stuff they're doing, and it's thankless for the shelter vets

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that work on these animals because they don't get to

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maintain that long term relationship. So next thing, you know,

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that puppy who probably didn't like them very much, they

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don't ever have a chance to make nice and make

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it better. So now that poor dog, poor Max, is petrified,

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and unlike the wonderful experience he's having at the schools

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and with the kids and positive reinforcement, and I'm sure

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you at home and your friends, you take them to

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that miserable smelling place where all I remember is all

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the pain and the the oh God. After I left

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that place, my belly or my you know what hurt

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for weeks and do you want to go back? I mean,

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come on, can you imagine way right? Can you imagine

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if little kids, remember you know, little boys, I should say,

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be specific, remember what sometimes happens to them at the

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hospital before they leave, right, and they're not going to

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want to go back to a doctor. So these are

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some of the concerns that we have. This is what

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we have, what we associate. So having said that is

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max fixable, absolutely, But what we need to do is

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we need to do two things and this is the

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basically the keys to well, you know, behavior modification, and

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that is we're gonna need to a desensitize him to

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that experience, to that that hospital. And while we're doing that,

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we're going to try to counter condition so not only

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does he not just not like it, but he actually

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looks forward to it. And when you're doing behavior mod

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in any kind of animal, everything is very small, calculated

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baby steps. So first of all, obviously you've taken places.

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He's okay in the car, So what you're gonna need

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to do, right is you're gonna take him in the

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car and you're talking to him and he's you know, safely,

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he's trapped in and in his harness whatever, or in

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his carrier, and you're going to pull into that parking

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lot and you're gonna go, oh, Max, we're here. Oh

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I got you. It's a good boy, and give him

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his favorite and I mean favorite treat. You do not

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take him out of the carrier or out of his harness.

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on to your next location, maybe back home, wherever it

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is going to be. And you need to do this

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every day for a few day. Now, what you're gonna

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do is you're gonna stop the car, sit in the car.

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He's still not taking them out, and every time it's

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hugs and kisses and treats. So now he's starting to

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make an association so different than that that he was

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used to. He's saying to himself, Oh my god, this

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place isn't that bad. I'm coming up here, I'm getting treats.

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Dad's giving me hugs and kisses. What could be bad

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about this? Then, when he seems to be somewhat tolerant,

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and this could take weeks, by the way, Keith, it's

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a slow process, then you're gonna take him out of

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the car if he's in the carrier, keeping in the carrier.

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Otherwise put his lee Shawn, walk him into the bad hospital.

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as soon as you walk in the door, give him

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his hugs, kisses, treats, the whole bit, and then leave.

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So you can see what we're doing. Now, we're trying

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to create an environment in a situation that he actually

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is going to look forward to. He is got actually

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going to associate first the parking lot, which you said,

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and it's true. He already knows the smells as soon

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as he gets to the parking lot. Then the lobby,

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the waiting area, and it's gonna be fun. Now, what

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you want to do next is not have Max go

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into one of the exam rooms. You're gonna have the

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exam room i e. The technician and or will perferably

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the doctor come out to Max. And guess what the

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doctor's gonna have with him. Treat those favorite treats, and

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he's gonna come into the waiting room and say, hey, Max,

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you such a good boy, Give him a treat, and

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then walk away and you leave. And each visit, each

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training session is going to be a little bit closer

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with that exam room, and there is gonna be for

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the first several times that Max is in that exam room,

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there is nothing bad gonna happen. No poking, no prodding.

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It's gonna be pets. It's gonna be maybe a little

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good tasting toothpaste to rub into the gums. It's maybe

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just lifting the ear to take a look and then

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giving him a treat. We are, in essence, going to

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retrain Max slowly to actually like going to the vet.

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And you know, I wish you were here in California.

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I would have him done in the day. But I'm

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just telling you that it is totally possible, but it's

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gonna take a little work and of course cooperation from

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the staff and the vet.

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Speaker 3: That may mean I may have to look for a

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different vet.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say that. I'm just going

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to say that if you don't think that this veterinarian hospital,

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the veterinarian or the staff would be willing to work

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with you on this one, then one hundred percent you

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need to find another one, because this is really what

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it's all about.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question along those lines. There's

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a that that a friend of mine told me of

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a doctor who has a mobile clinic to make house calls.

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Great with that, just having that person if they were

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willing to come to the house and give them a

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treat and leave and then eventually absolutely us.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. In other words, the first visit, first two visits

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have nothing to do with Max's medical health. It's like

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another friend coming over the house. In fact, I would

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not even have a white coat. I wouldn't even have

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a stethoscope. I would just have him walk in, knock

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the door. So you're a Max, Oh my god, you

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said to good boy, and give him his treat and

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a couple of pats on the head, a little hug,

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and then that's it. Yeah, well, it definitely can be done.

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I have taken the dogs that are literally I got

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a call from a client ones and a similar situation.

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They were fired by a number of veterini hospitals. They

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told me that this dog has bitten many that he

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heard that I was I had to get a kick

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out of I was laughing when he told me that

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we heard you're an expert with aggressive dogs, which there's

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no such thing as an I mean, you have to

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be patient and you have to understand them and know

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what has created this fear. It's usually fear biting when

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they do it. So I told them very similar I said,

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I said, look, I want you to come here. I

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do not want you to come in the building. I

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want you to call me on the cell when you're there,

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and I'm going to come outside. And I had to

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equip with treats, and I said, I'm going to say

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what you want to do. I didn't want you in

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the parking lot. I want you to walk halfway down

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the street, down the block, I said. So I'm going

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to do is I'm going to walk by you. I'm

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just a passer by now my regular street clothes. And

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as I walk by you, I want you to hand

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me the leash, so the dog's not going to know.

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I walk by, they hand me the leash, and all

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of a sudden, this dog is I'm on a heel.

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This dog is healing with me, total stranger. And as

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I'm walking I'm talking to with a nice voice and

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I'm giving him some treats. Along the way, I stopped

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to sit ask him to sit. He sits. I give

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him little patter on the head. He has more treats.

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I walked past the owners and I now take him

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into my parking lot. By the time this maybe half

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hour session was done, I had examined him, listened to

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him with the stethoscope, checked his mouth, and given him

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his vaccines.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that'd be great, because right now they put him asleep.

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I mean they said ate him, and that's when they

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give him his shots.

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Speaker 2: And of course because he's already you know, we look,

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we have some cats at all like that, you know

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cats some hell. We try to do what we call

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fear free or anxiety free practice, where we really want

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to make the experience good. You know, you should also

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try some pheromones there, you know, you can. You might

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find a veterinarian that promotes this. There's some actually, believe

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or not, there were some scientists that actually worked with

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musicians and they did some brain testing on cats and dogs,

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and they came up with certain music that seems to

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appeal to dogs and another set that appeals to cats.

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And there's some veterinarians that I ended up playing this

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music in one of the waiting rooms. They're exam rooms,

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so they come in there and the naturally calms the

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cat and the dog. You can have the pheromone sprays

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which help a lot. There's these clips that some cats

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respond to we call klipnosis. So there are certainly ways

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to calm these dogs, calms these cats, to actually make

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the experience positive. Because when you think of stress and

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what it does to the body, what it does to you,

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just alln do is measure heart rate, let alone levels

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of cortisol. It actually is so detrimental to the smooth

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functioning of the body. So you have these veteran aarians

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that these betternent hospitals that in essence force themselves on

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the pet. They're doing this poor pat a very huge disservice,

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not I mean healthwise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and it precludes me from you know, I

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always debate, like he got it. He finally took them in,

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but he was lumping. And you know, the question in

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my mind is do I want to put them under

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the stress exactly?

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better off limpic for an extra day or two and

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not have to put them through all that. I know

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it to me, so I would try that, But I

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think the house call Vett is a good idea to

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try it. If the person is nice and is willing

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to work with you a little bit, then you're scoring

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, thank you so much. We'll give that a try.

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Speaker 2: And also, Keith wanting you send me information to Dr

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Jeff at pet Life Radio and we'll go ahead and

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send you out. And how old is Max?

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Speaker 3: Max? Just turn seven?

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll send you out something probably a good senior

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vitamin or something from pro Sense Pet products or sponsors

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Speaker 3: All right, okay, well, thank you again doctor Jeff.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Keith, thank you thanks for listening and tuning

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in follow up with us. Okay, let us know how.

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Speaker 2: How easy was that? Everybody listening that just give us

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Speaker 2: And we're welcome everyone back to ask the bets for

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dog you have here on pet Life Radio on this

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magnificent Thursday, here at least magnificent here in southern California.

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It's been in the eighties. It's been crazy. We get

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these winds called san Anaz and they just blow in

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all the hot air. And I mean November fourteenth, two

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weeks or four Thanksgiving and it literally it's gonna be

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eighty eight or eighty nine degrees here, eighty degrees at

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the beach. I know I can hear many of you

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in different parts of the cart saying, what the heck

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is he complaining about?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Trust me, I'm not complaining. That's why I love living

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here in California. But speaking of the East Coast, where

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I know you're not doing as well. I hear that

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Minnesota has already got snow and it's been twenty four

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degrees or something in Chicago. But in two weeks I'm

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going to be in New York. I'm actually going to

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be doing with Tucker Carlson on Fox and Friends Sunday morning.

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even a little something on plastic surgery for pets, and

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then Monday, I'll be doing The Better Show, which is

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they're both filmed in New York City, and I may

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even do some local stuff in New York since I'll

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be there already. So tune in this Sunday Monday, but

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next Sunday, Monday, Fox and Friends in the Morning on Sunday,

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and then The Better Show on Monday. Anyway, we just

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finished up helping Keith out with some problems with Max,

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his seven year old little dog who just seems to

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be a land shark, only with the vet. Everyone else

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he's fantastic. So we talked about that, and sure enough,

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is often the case with shows like this, many of

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the questions that come in our behavior related and we've

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asked you to not be shy and to go ahead

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and send us your questions and if you don't want

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to call them in, then I can deal with that

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and go ahead and send us an email. So we

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did get one such email I'm going to share with you.

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It's from Alex and Jess listening in from Wisconsin, and

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it goes like this, it's your reading's true. We have

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an eight year old house tabby brute who has grown

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up with my girlfriend since near birth. He is considered

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her room as a safe haven and sleeping area for

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his whole life, sleeping by her, head on me sometimes, etc. Abruptly,

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he has stopped coming into a room, waiting and deeply

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meowing at the entrance to a room. He'll go on

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the bed if we lightly chase him in, but he'll

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only stay on for five ten minutes before jumping off,

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as if something scared him. He will no longer go

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onto the bed as well. It has been his hiding

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spot for his entire life. Who is another brother from

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the same litter who only comes into the room now

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and then, which might be a factor. However, they get

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along quite well both their house cuts. He's not just

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playing any abnormal behavior other than that, so we're clueless

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as to what to do, and nothing in his life

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or in the environment has changed, any thoughts, etc. So

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Alex and Jess a couple of things. Well, one thing

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has changed, and I don't know how long I would

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imagine with names like Alex and Jess. It can go

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either way. But let me guess for a second that

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maybe Alex is Alexandra and Jess says the guy. But

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it certainly I know girls named Jesse too, So I'm

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a little at a loss. But the introduction of a

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new body, a new person taking over the girlfriend, taking

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over Brute's mom, if you will, can present with some problems.

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where you might be there more often than before, and

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Brute is feeling a little bit neglected and maybe resentful

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of the fact that now there is this new person

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who is sharing the bed that was Brute's bed, and

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now he's saying, basically to heck with you. That's one possibility.

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an eight year old cat, and that is something medical.

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but at eight years of age for a cat, that's

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about a time by seven or eight, you really want

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to get some urine done, get some blood work done,

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do an X ray, listen to the chest, just to

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make sure that everything is in order, because those are

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sometimes though, I mean, it could be a serious problem

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or something more serious. It's something you want to rule

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out before you start dealing with something that you think

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is behavioral, and it may not be behavioral and may

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be actually something physiologic, something medical, something skeletal, etc. So

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I think that that needs to be explored before you

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start some of the behavior things. Now let's assume now

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that it is more behavior, which, by the way I

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think it is. I would try some very simple anxiety

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relaxing mechanisms. One of course, and I do refer to

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these a lot, and those are the pheromones. One such

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pheromone readily available is the Feloa Pet stores have it.

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You're a veterinarian, I'm sure has it. And try spraying

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some feel away or you can use a diffuser plug

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in delivery in the room where you want him to

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feel that particular calm. If you keep a litter box

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in there or the adjacent bathroom, that's fine, continue to

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do so. And also if he is the type of

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cat if broots, the type of cat that likes catnip,

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then try that as well. Put some catnip around the areas.

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to be. And of course if he is treating motivated,

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get those whatever little treaty likes, little fish, little chicken treats.

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every time he goes under the bed, every time he

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jumps on the bed, he gets a treat. And probably

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the boyfriend Alex or Jess, I don't know which is which,

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as I said, should be the one delivering the treats.

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And let's make the experience. Again, this is assuming there's

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nothing medical or physiologic going on. Let's make the experience

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just more attractive for proud. Let's make the experience one

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that he actually looks forward to instead of one that

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he's going to start to resent. And see if those

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things work. Now, if those things have been tried and

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still not working, there are some more potent forms of

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anxiety medication that you have to be prescribed by your

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veterinarian medications like amatryptolene, buse perone hyloxetine. These are the

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anti anxiety medications that we often will prescribe to assist

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with some behavior modification, anti anxiety, antiaggression issues that seem

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to affect our cats. And one thing I would give you,

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and I'm not going to use it necessarily as a

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cop but I have to let you know that we

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would often say in veterinary school, give us the toughest

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medical or surgical problem for a cat over a cat

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behavior problem any day the week. I mean, give me

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that broken leg, give me that cancer. But you know,

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sometimes they might be easier to deal with than a

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cat behavior problem because they are typically very, very challenging. So, guys,

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I hope you're listening, Alex and Jess from Wisconsin, try

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these things with brute. If you have tried them, please

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feel free to contact me directly at doctor Jefdrjeff at

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petlife radio dot com and we can talk some more.

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If you'd like. You can leave me your phone number

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as well, and we can go ahead and I will

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give you a call and see if we can't get

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to the bottom of this. Also, I'm you know, I

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would imagine I'm not the first person that has tried

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to solve this problem. So let me know what has

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been tried already. And if these things, some of these

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ideas are new, then by all means, go for it

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and then get back to me and give me an update.

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So anything else, let's see we're I gotta go so

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fast here, so we're nearing the end of our wonderful

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fast thirty minutes. I do want you to know that

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I will be here next Thursday, same time, same channel

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here on pet Life Radio, so please go ahead and

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give me a call. And also that if you want

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to send me questions via mail, that might be a

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good idea as well. I can read them on air.

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You still get the benefit of getting our little gift

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from pro Sense pet Products butt. If I have to

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do any kind of homework or any kind of research,

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I can do so as well. Most of these things,

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trust me, it's not the first time I've heard them,

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so we're usually pretty prepared. So once again, thanks for

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joining us. We will see you next week here on

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Asbets with doctor Jeff Petlfe Radio dot com. Once again

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to reach me eight seven seven three eight five eight

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and we will see you here next week. Thanks a lot.

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