Speaker 1: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Ball
Speaker 1: here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. In
Speaker 1: with me today is old time partner Jay Gonzaza. I'm
Speaker 1: glad to get you out a bit or you were
Speaker 1: available to no Tuesday's I was bit early.
Speaker 2: No, I I've been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in Tuesday's my busy day. You got lucky
Speaker 3: that I came in today.
Speaker 1: You still like chrish crap I get in a stereo today.
Speaker 1: We welcome back to the show. I'm glad you found it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I I you know what, I just
Speaker 3: point my card in this direction, right and it just
Speaker 3: shows up.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Cool, good you're here. Maybe we get some calls an
Speaker 1: interesting show today. We're gonna have some college football stuff
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have some UA softball stuff. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they're doing pretty well softball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we'll see, uh you know, it's the
Speaker 3: first big twelve tournament for them, so yeah, we'll see
Speaker 3: how that how that goes, And they did they did
Speaker 3: very well.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a good season. In a second rate,
Speaker 2: they've had a good season.
Speaker 3: I think if the two seed, yeah, you know, they're
Speaker 3: they're you know they're playing. They're playing for the opportunity
Speaker 3: or the chance to host a super regional, right they're
Speaker 3: getting in the tournament, they're probably gonna host, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: a regional they got, they got, you know, they got
Speaker 3: to put some put some more numbers together to have
Speaker 3: a chance to make you know, maybe the case. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they can get up to an eight seed,
Speaker 3: but you know, get it, get a at least the
Speaker 3: type of seed in you know where they can host,
Speaker 3: an opportunity to host a super region, because that's the key,
Speaker 3: right we know, you know, you can go anywhere and
Speaker 3: win a win a regional and then and if you host,
Speaker 3: all the better. But getting that super regional, playing two
Speaker 3: out of three at home is a big deal.
Speaker 1: Right, and there's a chance they played well enough to
Speaker 1: get that opportunity. So so we'll see what happens and
Speaker 1: then that the first three three fifteen first guest time
Speaker 1: will backus from CBS. He had something on Twitter or
Speaker 1: yesterday the day before h talking about the the all
Speaker 1: time worst hires in the last ten years. And guess
Speaker 1: who was on that list. You know, guess who's on
Speaker 1: that list? Shocker, you guys, So you know who's on that.
Speaker 1: It has it has to be Kevin. Guess what number
Speaker 1: who's at though he should be one, two, three, and four.
Speaker 6: He was none of those. He was like nine or eight.
Speaker 6: I can't remember that.
Speaker 2: I'm interested to know who was ahead of that.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's been a few people you don't even recognize,
Speaker 1: but there have been a few. I'm sure you know
Speaker 1: them because if you're that, you're here that we know
Speaker 1: who you are.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll get to that and just see how
Speaker 1: he thought, uh Brent did last year, because maybe it's
Speaker 1: a one off, maybe it's not. We'll see, you know
Speaker 1: what comes of it. Yeah, I had We had coach
Speaker 1: gonzals on yesterday. I was he was fantastic. And I
Speaker 1: didn't know this until I saw it. Went to the
Speaker 1: spring game. You were there the Spring Showcase whatever it's called,
Speaker 1: and he was with the Daggi and all these guys,
Speaker 1: well these two, and he went back and forth. Fantastic speaker,
Speaker 1: very passionate, very and and I told him yesterday, there's
Speaker 1: no surprise why people wouldn't want to play for you.
Speaker 1: It's he's very very not football ish. But are we okay,
Speaker 1: We're okay. That's strange because did you hear me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I won't think we're on. Okay, So just very passionate.
Speaker 1: And then he said, well, it's not really about that.
Speaker 1: It's about people believing in you. You know, kind of
Speaker 1: like being a boss attack about yea, if people believe
Speaker 1: in you, they were good for you, work hard for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I love that part of it. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: commercial time. We got stuff going on. Yeah, I hoping that. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll keep talking. So we have we have Will at
Speaker 1: the three fifteen. Okay, we're on, We're on. Okay, Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 6: So that's it.
Speaker 1: We'll have we'll have Will back to the three fifteen,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna come early with.
Speaker 6: Our next guest, Danny Martin.
Speaker 3: Danny Martinez, he's the director of operations for on Softball.
Speaker 3: So you know, we're just kind of talked to him
Speaker 3: about what the season has been like. Right again, another
Speaker 3: team going through you know first, you know, first Big
Speaker 3: twelve season, you know, is it does it have a
Speaker 3: different field than than the Pac twelve those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the one thing that question and he's been
Speaker 1: around a while with this program, right right, he doesn't
Speaker 1: compare it to others.
Speaker 3: He's been the pa announcwer for since he was a child,
Speaker 3: I think, but we're good, they can hear us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Now he's the director of operations.
Speaker 3: You know, he's been in the psychic department since he
Speaker 3: was in college and he's like forty five years old now,
Speaker 3: not just kidding, he's thirty.
Speaker 2: He's mid thirties.
Speaker 6: Well, he's seen enough.
Speaker 1: So I I was gonna say, you know, can you
Speaker 1: compare this team of this program now to some of
Speaker 1: the earlier programs and when not to compare it to Andrea?
Speaker 1: But you know, is it seeing that progress?
Speaker 2: And then how are things different now?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 3: You know we're in the world of nil and it's
Speaker 3: nil for softball too. You know, you got a different
Speaker 3: coach for the first time in many years, while Caitlin
Speaker 3: Low has been the coach of this on her fourth
Speaker 3: year now, but but you know it's her program. What's
Speaker 3: that been like?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 2: And how's it been different?
Speaker 3: Remember we were joking when way back when we had
Speaker 3: Can Dre on the show and he was sharing an
Speaker 3: office with Danny for a while at Michael before Danny
Speaker 3: was uh the softball guy. So you know, he's been
Speaker 3: around the program as long as anybody that's with the program.
Speaker 3: So we'll get a sense of what this year has
Speaker 3: been like over there.
Speaker 1: Sure, just what three years ago, Jay, they were already
Speaker 1: saying she's not the girl, yeah, or she's not the woman.
Speaker 1: You don't what I'm saying that when you're in it's
Speaker 1: like the Tommy stuff. It's like the Tommy stuff. Relax,
Speaker 1: don't start me on our fan. Don't start me on
Speaker 1: the fans.
Speaker 6: We want to get a call. Don't get on our fans.
Speaker 3: I know what it is, what it is, Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I like to know what this season was like for
Speaker 3: them and how different was it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You know, how how you know going to a going
Speaker 3: to a big twelve venue versus what you know was
Speaker 3: like going up the coast and playing at U C.
Speaker 2: L A And and uh, you know in Oregon.
Speaker 3: And all those schools that you know had teams and
Speaker 3: and and how different is it?
Speaker 2: You know, is it a different brand of softball?
Speaker 1: So so Senor Kobe get us out at about three
Speaker 1: twelve ish, so because we're going to go back to
Speaker 1: back and all the commercials whatever, we'll get out of
Speaker 1: three twelve. Him at about three fifteen, three sixteen, go
Speaker 1: to about three thirty and then get Danny, you know,
Speaker 1: get three forty, just so as way have a flow.
Speaker 6: All right, okay, no cool? Did you watch the games
Speaker 6: last night?
Speaker 3: I saw, yes. I mean I like just the end
Speaker 3: of the games. Great games, you know. I saw Aaron
Speaker 3: Gordon's you know, three pointer. I saw most of the
Speaker 3: some of the other games. I was watching the Dodger game.
Speaker 3: I'm you know, just tell you the Dodgers aren't in
Speaker 3: my house every day. So but I you know, I
Speaker 3: was stunned at hat at the fact that that that
Speaker 3: h nicks both games, really both under both games, but
Speaker 3: particularly at Denver in that game, because they had no
Speaker 3: business winning that game.
Speaker 2: They were down big. They hung on, they hung on,
Speaker 2: and then I caught you.
Speaker 3: I was, I had a kind of at the corner
Speaker 3: of my eye, right and then to wait a minute,
Speaker 3: they have a chance to win this game.
Speaker 2: And then they did.
Speaker 1: And then Aaron Gordon, who couldn't hit a three pointer
Speaker 1: here to save his life, couldn't hit a three point,
Speaker 1: couldn't hit a free throw.
Speaker 6: Now he's sitting forty You.
Speaker 3: Know, it's funny because the the Arizona Aaron Gordon was
Speaker 3: still on my brain when they throw him the ball
Speaker 3: on that past and I said, he's not gonna shoot
Speaker 3: from there?
Speaker 4: Is he?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And he made it fantastic. I know he's he's you know,
Speaker 3: he's become a good three point shooter. You know, he's
Speaker 3: gone the chaining fry route right, and and and re
Speaker 3: uh reinvented his game.
Speaker 2: And and the guy, the guy's a menace.
Speaker 3: You know, he's a menace defensively and now he's got
Speaker 3: a good offensive game.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a player, yeah, no question. Uh
Speaker 1: the OSCO. I was gonna ask you this, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: doing what he's doing. What do you remember about him here?
Speaker 1: Because he was a one and done dude. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that he couldn't make a free throw. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: the first thing, shouldn't shoot, right, He was just strickling,
Speaker 1: an inside guy, very physical, very energetic guy. But I
Speaker 1: thought extremely limited and I defensively, right, I didn't understand
Speaker 1: why he was as high a pick as he was
Speaker 1: because he could jump, right, because he could jump out
Speaker 1: of the gym. And and again, one of those things
Speaker 1: where you talk about the NBA or the NFL, whoever
Speaker 1: it might be drafting on potential. This is the guy
Speaker 1: they thought he could be, and fortunate for the for
Speaker 1: the Nuggets.
Speaker 2: Right now he's become the guy people thought he could be.
Speaker 1: Remember this is ten years removed, right, ten years have
Speaker 1: been gone a while. So you have him, h you
Speaker 1: had Stanley Johnson, right. The guys that you know, the
Speaker 1: the the the guys who left after a year Bayless him,
Speaker 1: There's been a few obviously, but what do you really know?
Speaker 1: What do you know of them outside of what you
Speaker 1: just said, even personally, Yeah, personally, what you.
Speaker 3: Do is you look at these guys physically and what
Speaker 3: can they do physically? And it was a thing of okay,
Speaker 3: if he can run and jump and and and play
Speaker 3: like that, we can get him an offensive game. Now
Speaker 3: you know who's the uh that that a few years back?
Speaker 3: He was a great defensive player, got into the league.
Speaker 3: Rondie Hollis Jefferson. Right, he never got an offensive game, No,
Speaker 3: he did, right, But Aaron Gordon did, Channing Fry did
Speaker 3: you know? And and and somehow these these NBA people
Speaker 3: figure that figure out who can and who can't. Well, now,
Speaker 3: run ronde Hollis Jefferson, he got he got a good chance.
Speaker 3: I mean he believes five or six, okay, three or four,
Speaker 3: but even he wasn't one and done in the NBA,
Speaker 3: and it became apparent he wasn't gonna have the offensive game.
Speaker 1: They needed, just like uh, it's like uh not it
Speaker 1: was the Threesome, not Manion.
Speaker 6: The guy who went to Denver Nagy, same kind of potential.
Speaker 1: He's been there now for three four years now, doesn't
Speaker 1: play a whole lot, but there's still playing him and
Speaker 1: he's still.
Speaker 9: On the run.
Speaker 2: They still think he might have something.
Speaker 3: But the minute somebody else comes along that looks like
Speaker 3: him but can do a little better than.
Speaker 1: Him than he's done in the NBA. And that's the
Speaker 1: business of the business. He had Bruce on yesterday and
Speaker 1: when he talked about Dayling Terry, how much have you
Speaker 1: heard about Daalan Terry? But he's still there. He's still there.
Speaker 1: He's still there grinding or whatever. Yeah, not playing a
Speaker 1: whole like a lot, but he's still check.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: it's it's a I mean, look, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: crap shoot.
Speaker 2: Well, with all these guys.
Speaker 1: Now you have Carter Bright, right, same type of thing.
Speaker 1: I think he's much better than Gordon right now at
Speaker 1: the same time, same place freshman year coming out, because
Speaker 1: he can shoot, he's got some nice IQ basketball, He's
Speaker 1: got a good size, but Aaron's He's not the physical
Speaker 1: guy that Aaron Gordon was.
Speaker 2: Now. He does he play great defense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he played really good defense and and he had
Speaker 3: to do a lot of that this year, but not
Speaker 3: not in not.
Speaker 2: With the physicalness that that skiball guy. Right.
Speaker 3: You know, Shoot, I'm going to play out on the
Speaker 3: wing and cover guys out there, and he'll be able
Speaker 3: to shoot and handle the ball in those Give me
Speaker 3: some ads and.
Speaker 1: You're thinking of him coming back. We gotta go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta go. Oh, we gotta hit the throat. Just
Speaker 1: give me twenty percent.
Speaker 3: Ever say I'd say, I'd say it's like right around
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty for Brent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really come back. Okay, we're gonna talk more about that.
Speaker 2: It's okay, She's gonna depend on what he finds out
Speaker 2: about himself.
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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Rivera, and today with
Speaker 1: me is jagins Aus. Now on the phone, we have
Speaker 1: Will Becks from CBS Sports. How you doing, Will doing great?
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, where are you based out of Tennessee?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Knoxville, Knoxville.
Speaker 1: Okay, close cool, close to the ball cool, okay, cool cool?
Speaker 6: Give you your football country, football country. I am yes, sir, good, yeah,
Speaker 6: good for you.
Speaker 1: And that's what you do for CBS with copy yesterday
Speaker 1: or this morning. And I'm glad you're on the show.
Speaker 1: Is that you had a list of your top number
Speaker 1: I can't read about fifteen top fifteen worst hires in
Speaker 1: the last decade, correct, And you had a guy that
Speaker 1: we became familiar with a while back, and not too
Speaker 1: many people who think of him fondly.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Kevin someone, He's he definitely deserved his spot on
Speaker 13: the list, you know. I think I think the reason
Speaker 13: that I put him kind of in that lower range
Speaker 13: is just because, you know, he came and went. He
Speaker 13: didn't leave the program with any major recruiting violations or
Speaker 13: anything crazy like that, no scandals.
Speaker 7: Really, he just didn't work out, you know.
Speaker 13: And I know obviously he's at the program back a
Speaker 13: couple of years. Jedfish came in and steadily rebuilt it,
Speaker 13: you know.
Speaker 7: And so, like I said, a big reason.
Speaker 13: That he's kind of not highre is just because came
Speaker 13: and went didn't work out, that happened sometimes.
Speaker 3: Well, this is Jay, I'm going to tell you I'm
Speaker 3: a little flattered by this because it was as a fan,
Speaker 3: it's kind of cool that Arizona ranked to the point,
Speaker 3: for you would think that a bad hire was worthy
Speaker 3: of being ranked with like LSU and Arkansas and Nebraska
Speaker 3: and some of these other schools that Arizona is well
Speaker 3: thought of enough for if they get made a bad hire,
Speaker 3: it made news. So that's a kind of a twisted
Speaker 3: way of looking at it, but that's how I'm looking
Speaker 3: at it. Well, yeah, and you know, I.
Speaker 13: Mean someone's higher was fresh off of the Rich Rodriguez years.
Speaker 13: And Rich Rodriguez obviously had some good success there, you know,
Speaker 13: went to quite a few bowl games, had a ten
Speaker 13: win season, finished ranked one year, you know, and so
Speaker 13: it was it was a higher that came off of
Speaker 13: a pretty solid period of football for Arizona. It's not
Speaker 13: like Kevin someone inherited a complete disaster, right. So yeah,
Speaker 13: I mean I think the program was on a steady trajectory,
Speaker 13: you know, Afterguez, and then it really.
Speaker 7: Plummeted under someone. And so that's kind of what pushed
Speaker 7: it there.
Speaker 13: And and Like I said, it was kind of miraculous
Speaker 13: that Jeed Fish was able to come in and do
Speaker 13: what he did, you know, over the course of just
Speaker 13: a few years. So that was that was a great
Speaker 13: fine for Arizona to to bring things back up.
Speaker 1: So given your explanation, it makes sense that Herm was
Speaker 1: ahead of them at number nine. I think because of
Speaker 1: the scandals.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I mean you look at you look at
Speaker 13: the record that Herm Edwards left, and you know, when
Speaker 13: you factor in the wins that he had to Va Kate,
Speaker 13: it's it's not too bad, right, you know, he had
Speaker 13: a couple of eight win seasons, you know, and obviously,
Speaker 13: again it's one of those things where it just kind
Speaker 13: of steadily decline. Not only did it steadily decline in
Speaker 13: Arizona State got worse throughout his tenure.
Speaker 7: But yeah, he left him with a huge in Cuba investigation.
Speaker 13: And you know that caused players like Jade and Daniels
Speaker 13: and Johnny Wilson to leave. Obviously, Jadan Daniels went on
Speaker 13: to win a Heisman Trophy at LSU and Johnny Wilson
Speaker 13: emerged into a high draft pick at Florida State, And
Speaker 13: so yeah, I mean that's the kind of that's the kind.
Speaker 7: Of hire that really really tanks the program.
Speaker 13: But again, Arizona State hit a grand slam by hiring
Speaker 13: Kenny Dillinghams, so it's not necessarily all bad. But yeah,
Speaker 13: I mean leaving leaving insteadly investigation and not even really
Speaker 13: being that great while you're there is a pretty bad combination.
Speaker 3: So looking at your list, you know, because I mentioned Arkansas,
Speaker 3: who you know, the Chad Morris, you had the number one,
Speaker 3: but number two was a good coach at you.
Speaker 2: Know, Less Miles.
Speaker 3: I mean he was at LSU, highly successful, you know,
Speaker 3: eventually got the acts over there and then decided to
Speaker 3: come back in Kansas thinking of him and then thinking
Speaker 3: of what Kevin Sumlan did here. You know, you'd think
Speaker 3: that programs would be a little leary of hiring a
Speaker 3: guy who's kind of been there, done that, and now
Speaker 3: let's go get him and see if he's got anything
Speaker 3: left right, And that's kind of what happened Less Miles
Speaker 3: over Kansas, wasn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I mean he hadn't been coaching for I think three
Speaker 13: years when Kansas picked him up, and you know, it's
Speaker 13: one thing to go from you know, someone just kind.
Speaker 7: Of petered out at Texas A and M.
Speaker 13: But at least he had been coaching recently when Arizona
Speaker 13: hired him, right, and so you had that kind of
Speaker 13: base of you know, it's not a terrible hire.
Speaker 7: He was okay at Texas A and M.
Speaker 13: Maybe he can do better at a place like Arizona
Speaker 13: that you know, plays in a more open conference like
Speaker 13: the Pac twelve at the time. But yeah, I always
Speaker 13: question when a college program goes and hires a guy
Speaker 13: that's been retired for a few years.
Speaker 7: Just because, as we've seen over the past few.
Speaker 13: Years, college football changes so quickly and so rapidly, especially
Speaker 13: you know, in the era when Les Miles was hired,
Speaker 13: I mean that was right before nil and transfer portal
Speaker 13: and everything came to be that I think it's really
Speaker 13: hard for a coach that's not been involved in college
Speaker 13: football recently to jump right back in, especially when you're
Speaker 13: taking charge of a program, and especially when you're taking
Speaker 13: charge of a program like Kansas, which until recently, with
Speaker 13: the success under Lands Lighthold, didn't really have the football
Speaker 13: resources to compete or keep up, you know, And so
Speaker 13: I don't want to call it North Carolina, but that's
Speaker 13: why I'm like hesitant about Bill Belichi.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just going to bring him up.
Speaker 13: Never been a college coach, and I understand college football
Speaker 13: is trending somewhat towards the NFL model, but it's just
Speaker 13: such a different animal that I'm really hesitant about any
Speaker 13: coach that has been retired for a while or hasn't
Speaker 13: ever experienced college football coming in and having a successful tenure.
Speaker 7: Well, don't I don't see it working out?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 3: I mean, and then you got all the other stuff,
Speaker 3: all the distractions of his twelve year old girlfriend and
Speaker 3: all that stuff. It's you know, I mean, the odds
Speaker 3: are just stacked against him. Don't you feel like people
Speaker 3: are just waiting for him to fail, to kind of
Speaker 3: get him off his high horse or something like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I you know, obviously, I.
Speaker 13: Yeah, No, I mean I think I think there's definitely
Speaker 13: a lot of people that, you know, there's there was
Speaker 13: a lot of NFL fatigue with the Patriots with how
Speaker 13: successful they were, and a lot of times when people
Speaker 13: are successful like that, there's a lot of people that
Speaker 13: want to see them fall off, just to you know,
Speaker 13: get that.
Speaker 7: Shot in Frouda and enjoy that.
Speaker 13: But yeah, I mean, I think I think North Carolina
Speaker 13: right now, to be quite Frank is a mess. Like
Speaker 13: I it's a pr nightmare with everything going on with
Speaker 13: his girl and Jordan Hudson, Like this is just not
Speaker 13: what they needed this offseason, you know, I mean, and
Speaker 13: the North Carolina is coming off a situation where Mac
Speaker 13: Brown one of those coaches that just didn't work out.
Speaker 13: You know, there's nothing, there's nothing behind the scenes going on,
Speaker 13: no worry behind the scenes, and so North Carolina kind
Speaker 13: of created.
Speaker 7: Its own mess by hiring Bill Belichick.
Speaker 14: Right you could have gone with an up and coming
Speaker 14: young college guy, I like John Summerle at Tulane, a
Speaker 14: guy who I think is probably gonna be a Power
Speaker 14: conference coach in the next couple of years.
Speaker 13: You could have gotten ahead and tried to get him
Speaker 13: or a young coordinator that you're really excited about, somebody
Speaker 13: that can come in and revamp the program after it's
Speaker 13: stagnated under Mac Brown, and it would have been a nice,
Speaker 13: quiet off season. You wouldn't have had to worry about
Speaker 13: any of that off field drama. Instead, you go and
Speaker 13: take a big swing at Bill Belichick. Obviously, it's hard
Speaker 13: to question him as a football coach given that he
Speaker 13: won seven Super Bowls. But then you have all this
Speaker 13: drama that could have been completely avoided. You don't have
Speaker 13: to deal with it. It's just a mess over there.
Speaker 13: I'm not even sure how much power Jordan Hudson has,
Speaker 13: but it seems to be way too much for somebody
Speaker 13: that's not in the university's payroll and somebody that's not
Speaker 13: involved in the operation of the football program. And again,
Speaker 13: like it just comes with the natural hesitancy of I
Speaker 13: just don't believe, regardless of what Bill Belichick accomplished in
Speaker 13: the NFL, that he's going to just be able to
Speaker 13: jump in and hit the ground running in college especially
Speaker 13: since a lot of his staff that he's hired are
Speaker 13: also NFL guys. You know, he hired his NFL general manager,
Speaker 13: which is a really important position in modern college football
Speaker 13: with how rosters are constructed.
Speaker 7: Now his assystems are NFL guys.
Speaker 13: It's just I think it's an interesting experiment, and I
Speaker 13: do not see it working out in North Carolina State.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, so in two years, you're
Speaker 1: going to have to update your your list with this.
Speaker 1: What gave you the what gave you the idea to
Speaker 1: do this this? And are you going to come out
Speaker 1: with maybe the best tires?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean we've been thinking about best tires, and honestly,
Speaker 13: it's just it's the off season, you know, especially after
Speaker 13: spring practice and then transfer portal close to kind of
Speaker 13: have to create your own fun, you know, to keep
Speaker 13: it just going.
Speaker 7: And so yeah, I mean we always just.
Speaker 13: Kind of generate ideas like that throughout the off season.
Speaker 13: And I mean this one hit big just because it's
Speaker 13: something that people tend to be interested in. You know,
Speaker 13: there's a lot of there's a lot of hate watching
Speaker 13: and hate reading football, right, so people people enjoy.
Speaker 7: Those kinds of things.
Speaker 13: And I mean it's it's from a from a non
Speaker 13: partial perspective.
Speaker 7: It's kind of fun to look back and be like, yeah,
Speaker 7: he's terrible. Well remember well.
Speaker 1: Let me let me let me tell you when I
Speaker 1: told Jay that this is one of the conversations we're
Speaker 1: going to have and that's why you were on up there,
Speaker 1: I said, I said to him, what do you think something.
Speaker 6: That had one, two, and three?
Speaker 1: Because every every guy you have on the list, I'm
Speaker 1: sure if this show was an Arkansas, this show was
Speaker 1: X place they would think that their guy was the
Speaker 1: worst guy.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 13: I mean I've gotten tons of like fan interaction where
Speaker 13: like this coach is too low, and this coach is
Speaker 13: too low, and this coach is too low, and it's
Speaker 13: always someone that coached at their school, you know, because
Speaker 13: they're fans, they're super involved in it.
Speaker 7: And like I I had Jeremy prewd on there. I
Speaker 7: went to I was at.
Speaker 13: Tennessee during the Jeremy prud era and my first real
Speaker 13: beat was covering Tennessee with Jeremy prew as coach. So
Speaker 13: I got a real personal look at how dysfunctional.
Speaker 7: That whole thing was. And you know that might have
Speaker 7: swayed my ranking a little bit why I put him
Speaker 7: so high.
Speaker 13: And so yeah, it's it's interesting to kind of hear
Speaker 13: everybody's perspective and people point that out.
Speaker 3: Well, let's flip this over because it's gonna be kind
Speaker 3: of a weird question if all the coaches had the
Speaker 3: same resources.
Speaker 2: So because you know, if you say, well, who's the
Speaker 2: best coach in college.
Speaker 3: Football, per were going to say Kirby Smart, right, you know, right, whatever,
Speaker 3: But let's say every coach had the same resources. Who
Speaker 3: do you think is the best coach out there right
Speaker 3: now or among the best coaches? Who are some of
Speaker 3: the guys that are You say, that guy's a great coach,
Speaker 3: and he would be better than let's say, Kirby Smart
Speaker 3: if he had Kirby Smart's.
Speaker 1: Who would your son? Who would you want your son.
Speaker 6: To play for?
Speaker 7: Who would I want my son to play for? You know?
Speaker 13: I mean, I'm a big fan of Kenny Dillingham. You know,
Speaker 13: I think he's obviously young, super energetic. I love that
Speaker 13: from a head coach in this era of college football,
Speaker 13: and just the work that he did so quick to.
Speaker 7: Turn Arizona State around.
Speaker 13: I mean, that place was a disaster when he got there,
Speaker 13: and you know, they come back in the year two,
Speaker 13: they're winning the Big Twelve and making the College Football Playoff,
Speaker 13: and I think that they're built to sustain that success, right.
Speaker 7: I'm also a big fan of Kalen Debor. I know
Speaker 7: he now has Georgia type resources at Alabama. I know
Speaker 7: his first year was I guess.
Speaker 13: Disappointing from an Alabama perspective, but I mean he's a
Speaker 13: coach who has never had fewer than nine wins in
Speaker 13: a full twelve game season at every level. I mean,
Speaker 13: he started at two Falls and President State Washington. He's
Speaker 13: just a winner, and so I have the firm belief
Speaker 13: that he's going to write the ship there and I
Speaker 13: definitely think that he belongs up in that conversation.
Speaker 7: Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 13: Another guy who you know, he won it James Madison
Speaker 13: in the SCS. When James Madison came up in the FBS,
Speaker 13: he won, immediately went to Indiana, immediately turned into a
Speaker 13: college football playoff team. He's another guy that I look
Speaker 13: at and think that, you know, if he had I
Speaker 13: already regard him as probably a top fifteen, probably even a.
Speaker 7: Top ten coach if he had Georgia Tech resources.
Speaker 13: Then you're talking about a guy that I think definitely
Speaker 13: pushed for national championships.
Speaker 2: What are those guys? What are those guys have in common?
Speaker 2: Do you think.
Speaker 7: Player development?
Speaker 13: I think they're all really strong at getting the most
Speaker 13: out of their players, because I mean, you look at
Speaker 13: a place like Arizona State. You know, obviously, I know
Speaker 13: it's a very prominent university and it has good resources,
Speaker 13: but it's not, you know, comparable to college blue bloods.
Speaker 13: Same thing at Indiana, you know, and Indiana is more
Speaker 13: of a basketball school. Like you're at Indiana, you're legitimately
Speaker 13: competing for resources with basketball. Uh And and then when
Speaker 13: when the Bora was at Washington, again you know, a
Speaker 13: good resources but not what he's getting at Alabama. I
Speaker 13: think the difference is these guys are excellent and identifying
Speaker 13: talent that fits their scheme and then developing that talent
Speaker 13: and making the most out of the guys that they get.
Speaker 1: So so you mentioned dillanhem Our three listeners just hung
Speaker 1: up on us because they're the issue and not you.
Speaker 1: Event well, I mean the last question, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Arizona's guy Brent bt Brennan.
Speaker 7: Brent Brennan, Yeah, I mean I think it's I think.
Speaker 13: It's interesting, you know because I wasn't terribly impressed by
Speaker 13: the hire first because you look at what he did
Speaker 13: at San Jose State and it doesn't jump off the page,
Speaker 13: but he also did improve San Jose State most every
Speaker 13: year that he was there. And when he came to
Speaker 13: San Jose State that was not a big football school,
Speaker 13: Like it wasn't like he was going to like a
Speaker 13: Boise State or like an UNLB. You know, that level
Speaker 13: of program that's really invested in football. It was a
Speaker 13: it wasn't a great place to start out, and he
Speaker 13: did incrementally improve every year. So I'm willing to give
Speaker 13: him some time at Arizona. You know, I know there
Speaker 13: was some frustration first year because you had no Fafida
Speaker 13: and tetereroa McMillan and a lot of guys that came
Speaker 13: back after losing Jed Fish, and so you know, there's
Speaker 13: some thought that his first year should have.
Speaker 7: Been a little better.
Speaker 13: But yeah, I'm willing to give him a little bit
Speaker 13: of time and see if he can work some of
Speaker 13: that same program building magic. I mean, it was the
Speaker 13: same thing with Jed Fish, right, came in a disaster
Speaker 13: the first year, second year was better, still didn't make
Speaker 13: a Bowl, but you improved by four wins, and then
Speaker 13: third year you come out and win ten games. And
Speaker 13: so I think I think Arizona can be patient with
Speaker 13: him and let him try to develop his program with it.
Speaker 1: Well, he's always making well that you're speaking nicely to
Speaker 1: Jay a long time, then who's going to have to
Speaker 1: listen to you? Hey, Well, thank thanks a bunch for
Speaker 1: joining us. We'll probably get ahold of you right before
Speaker 1: seas it starts. Yeah, that's great, great, thank you. Will
Speaker 1: appreciate CBS Sports that he can pick up his stuff
Speaker 1: on Twitter in otherwise, Yeah, yeah, I agree with it.
Speaker 6: A lot of these.
Speaker 3: I've lady been through his Twitter. Good follow, he's a
Speaker 3: good follow. He's CBS Sports college football guy. You know,
Speaker 3: one of those guys who just works too damn hard.
Speaker 3: Probably right, he's always he's always working, checking stuff out,
Speaker 3: putting stuff out on social media, writing stories.
Speaker 6: And I think at his assessment accurately was really good.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at his list.
Speaker 3: Maybe you look at his list and you can re
Speaker 3: order him or whatever, but you look at that list
Speaker 3: and go, Okay, these were all the bad coaches over
Speaker 3: the last ten years, and you know they jumped out.
Speaker 3: You know, when I saw less Mons, say wait minute,
Speaker 3: let's monse No, he was he was really bad at Kansas.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go from he's sixty he was
Speaker 1: sixty five. Yeah, I didn't realize he was.
Speaker 3: At all again, you know, and getting back to the
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick thing, I'm I'm if I'm a North Carolina
Speaker 3: football fan, I'm losing my mind right now. I lost
Speaker 3: my mind when they brought him in and then all
Speaker 3: the stuff that's come with its instant I'd just be going,
Speaker 3: what the hell?
Speaker 1: Yeah are we doing? It's like the herm stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the herm stuff. You know, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about it?
Speaker 3: And you know, does he does he even know the
Speaker 3: rules well enough to well not be breaking rule?
Speaker 1: He could he could have like the c He'll be
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Speaker 1: and you know and other stuff. Okay, let's take a
Speaker 1: break when and get hold of Danny Martinez talk about softball.
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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to my on the ball here on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. You're Jakinsaw's now
Speaker 1: on the phone, we have Danny Martinez, the director of
Speaker 1: operations for u A Softball. Danny, how you doing. I'm
Speaker 1: doing great. How are you guys? We're doing fine. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. Pretty successful season so far, right.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, it was a great regular season, you know,
Speaker 15: first year in the Big twelve, a lot of new places,
Speaker 15: opponents and but yeah it was. It was a good year.
Speaker 15: And now now it's go time. Now it's here comes
Speaker 15: the postseason.
Speaker 3: So well, so let me ask you about that because
Speaker 3: you talk about your new places and other and Steve
Speaker 3: and I were talking before the show. Is the is
Speaker 3: I don't know how you would phrase it. Is the
Speaker 3: vibe or the feel or the atmosphere or just the
Speaker 3: you know around Big TV Softball.
Speaker 2: Is it different similar to PAC twelve? What compare the two.
Speaker 15: You know, to be honest, there are a lot of
Speaker 15: similarities with the actual when we're talking about just the
Speaker 15: softball programs and the softball atmospheres, I would say there
Speaker 15: there is a lot of similarities because you've got your
Speaker 15: big you know, when you go to Arizona, when you
Speaker 15: go to Oklahoma State, when you go to Texas Tech.
Speaker 15: There there are the big, good atmospheres that are very comparable,
Speaker 15: and then you've kind of got the rest that you know,
Speaker 15: are are kind of lacking right in in that when
Speaker 15: we were at we were at Houston this last weekend
Speaker 15: and it was shocking how few people we're there. So yeah,
Speaker 15: so yeah, it just kind of depends that you've got
Speaker 15: your top and then you've got your bottom, just like
Speaker 15: you did in the Pac twelve.
Speaker 1: So I should have I should know this. But but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you. What were they pick to finish
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 15: Second?
Speaker 6: Oh so so they landed.
Speaker 2: Exactly, I really they thought there would be Yeah, okay.
Speaker 15: So actually you know what, it might have been third.
Speaker 15: It might I might have that wrong, It might be third.
Speaker 15: I think Oklahoma State was picked first, and then Texas
Speaker 15: Tech was either I don't remember who was second between
Speaker 15: US and Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: So now you mention you're heading into the playoffs. You
Speaker 3: got the big, big twelve tournaments starting going this weekend.
Speaker 2: Do you yeah?
Speaker 3: And you've been doing this, You've been part of this
Speaker 3: program in terms of the announcer and whatnot for a
Speaker 3: long period of time. Is there a change in you know,
Speaker 3: the bounce and the step, the excitement, the anticipation. You know,
Speaker 3: you're getting into the playoffs. This grind of a regular
Speaker 3: season is over and kind of this is what they've
Speaker 3: been looking for all year.
Speaker 2: How different is the feel of the team right now?
Speaker 15: Absolutely, it almost feels like a new beginning, because when
Speaker 15: you're wearing down toward the end of the regular season,
Speaker 15: I mean those last few weeks and really feel like
Speaker 15: a grind. You've just been doing this for so long.
Speaker 15: But now it's completely a renewed sense of you know,
Speaker 15: this is everything, that this is the time when it
Speaker 15: when it gets fun. Not to say it's not fun
Speaker 15: the rest of the season, but this is what you
Speaker 15: play for. So yes, there is definitely a pep in
Speaker 15: everyone's step.
Speaker 1: So along those lines with Jay, I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 1: You've been around it for a long time, obviously, how
Speaker 1: does this team compare to the teams you've seen in
Speaker 1: the past, And sorry to say, but you put out
Speaker 1: to compare them to Kenjurans teams that you were kind
Speaker 1: of right.
Speaker 15: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think this I feel very
Speaker 15: confident in saying this team is just as good, just
Speaker 15: as capable as any of those teams. I think this
Speaker 15: team is very well rounded in all three aspects offense, defense,
Speaker 15: and pitching, something that it is hard to achieve to
Speaker 15: get all three where you want them to be. Usually,
Speaker 15: you know you'll have one or two that even might
Speaker 15: be elite, but you're lacking in one. This, I really
Speaker 15: feel is a complete team, which is encouraging as you're
Speaker 15: going into the postseason.
Speaker 3: Well, and we all know that pitching is really where
Speaker 3: it's all.
Speaker 6: You know, where it starts.
Speaker 3: You either have it or you don't, and if you do,
Speaker 3: you got a shot, and if you don't, you don't
Speaker 3: you know you've had a pitch like Devin Nets has
Speaker 3: been a workhorse and stuff like that. You know, how
Speaker 3: do you how does Caylen Low manage all that right?
Speaker 3: How does she make sure that you know, Devon's ready
Speaker 3: to go fresh enough all that stuff after such a
Speaker 3: long season.
Speaker 2: What are the kinds of things that happen.
Speaker 15: Well, the good thing is is that this team has
Speaker 15: eight pitchers, which is completely unheard of in college softball.
Speaker 15: We have seven with at least one win, which is
Speaker 15: hard to look up, but I believe has to be
Speaker 15: the most in the country. I mean, it has to
Speaker 15: be the most in the country this year, and I
Speaker 15: think you'd have to go a long way back to
Speaker 15: find another team that had seven pitchers that recorded a win.
Speaker 15: So that's been how we've been able to kind of
Speaker 15: manage that load that Devin has had to to hold,
Speaker 15: just by having so many different arms that you know,
Speaker 15: it's not hey, go give the ball to Devon and
Speaker 15: and she throws every day. You know, even as I
Speaker 15: came up the last few years, the standard had gone
Speaker 15: from okay, you just have one pitcher who kind of
Speaker 15: throws every day, and then it transitioned in, all right,
Speaker 15: you've got a game one starter who will also start
Speaker 15: Game three. So that's pretty much always two complete games
Speaker 15: a weekend. And now I mean there are sometimes that
Speaker 15: Devin only pitches in one game a weekend, so she'll
Speaker 15: be feeling good, she'll be feeling fresh. She's a a
Speaker 15: fifty year senior, so she'll be ready.
Speaker 1: And she's a special talent because she can do it
Speaker 1: all and we've seen it. Yeah, offensively pitching, you know
Speaker 1: that way. Can you compare it to other people players
Speaker 1: that have come.
Speaker 15: Through that nothing that I have witnessed. I was just
Speaker 15: thinking about that recently. I mean, there's so my first
Speaker 15: year was twenty eleven. This Devin is the first that
Speaker 15: has come through since I have been here. I mean,
Speaker 15: she is one of the best two way players that
Speaker 15: I can remember in college softball that you know. I
Speaker 15: hope that she gets the kind of recognition that she
Speaker 15: deserves because she is having a really, really unbelievable season.
Speaker 3: You know, looking at the schedule I've seen there really
Speaker 3: haven't been any extended low points, right, you know, you
Speaker 3: lost a couple of games, you lost two out of
Speaker 3: three to Texas Tech, but they're damn good was at
Speaker 3: their place? Yeah, but there haven't been any real lulls
Speaker 3: in the season. Is that you know, is that a
Speaker 3: result of what what you were talking about the team
Speaker 3: being well round? I guess that answers the question, But
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, how is that? How have you
Speaker 3: they been able to do that?
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think that's a really good point. And yeah,
Speaker 15: I do think that that is the reason, which is
Speaker 15: why I feel good about this team going into the
Speaker 15: postseason when you have to you know, whether it's the
Speaker 15: Big twelve tournament where you have to win three games
Speaker 15: and three days against three different opponents, or it's a
Speaker 15: regional when you could have to play as many as
Speaker 15: five games and three days. You know, I just feel
Speaker 15: good about this team being as well rounded and as
Speaker 15: deep as they are because, yeah, you're right, we it's
Speaker 15: been normally the season has those those dips and those
Speaker 15: you know, tough periods, but we've been fortunate enough to
Speaker 15: play pretty good softball for all year.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you to walk the
Speaker 2: plank right now. It tells it. How have you seen
Speaker 2: Caitlin Lowe developed years?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: You were there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just as her fourth year, she's she's
Speaker 3: obviously had to grow as a coach. But how what
Speaker 3: are some of the key things that she's been able
Speaker 3: to do that you see that are very evident when
Speaker 3: you see how she's coaching now.
Speaker 15: Well, I think The biggest thing to me is that
Speaker 15: culture building piece, that making sure that when you're in
Speaker 15: when you're in college sports, and especially in softball, when
Speaker 15: you're playing fifty six games during the regular season, you're
Speaker 15: just always with you know, your teammates, the support staff,
Speaker 15: you're it's just one big family. And during the course
Speaker 15: of a season it can, you know, sometimes turn sour
Speaker 15: or turn the wrong way. But I think that's been
Speaker 15: the biggest piece, is that culture building piece and making
Speaker 15: this team be on happy family rather than you know
Speaker 15: the alternate, which which certain teams, not saying Arizona Softball,
Speaker 15: but you know, just in college athletics in general, it
Speaker 15: can turn into pretty fast, So that has been big.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 15: Also just building an elite staff around her that has
Speaker 15: now been together for two years, minus Amber Freeman, who's
Speaker 15: this is her first year and she is a rock
Speaker 15: star of a hitting coach. But you know Caitlin Lowe
Speaker 15: and Lauren Lappin, who were both on the USA softball
Speaker 15: team on an Olympic medal together, you know, those two
Speaker 15: are kind of the dynamic duo that really really knows
Speaker 15: the game of softball and can teach it in an
Speaker 15: elite way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, people don't talk about the other stuff, right.
Speaker 1: They talk about what's on the field and how well
Speaker 1: you do, yeah, but they don't talk about the periphery
Speaker 1: with thing that goes everyone getting along in the chemistry
Speaker 1: and the white moves and decisions.
Speaker 6: And you've seen it.
Speaker 1: You've seen it for fifteen years now probably, and we've
Speaker 1: seen it forever doing what we do and you say, ah,
Speaker 1: this is not gonna work.
Speaker 6: Well, this is the year it's working.
Speaker 15: Yeah. You know, I think you look around the country
Speaker 15: and not just in softball but everywhere in college athletics,
Speaker 15: and you look at the transfer portal and you can
Speaker 15: kind of get an idea of what goes on in
Speaker 15: the program by that transfer portal. And last year we
Speaker 15: lost one to the transfer portal, what we but we
Speaker 15: brought in three, so you know, we were plus in
Speaker 15: that area. So you know, I think that's a good
Speaker 15: kind of measuring stick. You can just look there, who
Speaker 15: are the programs that are losing their big talents and
Speaker 15: who are the ones that are bringing them in, and
Speaker 15: that kind of can give you an idea of of
Speaker 15: how that culture is right.
Speaker 2: Right, all right, all right, Well, just one last thing.
Speaker 3: I was asked a pokey about the one nothing lost
Speaker 3: to San Diego State by you know who?
Speaker 15: Right, yeah, yeah, I saw your daughter there and then
Speaker 15: she delivers a one zero win. Yes, san Diego State
Speaker 15: is a good team. That Sandigo State is a They're
Speaker 15: a very good mid major team. And that's the type
Speaker 15: of team that absolutely you know that's they come and
Speaker 15: bite people in the in the postseason. They went to
Speaker 15: UCLA and they won that regional a couple of years ago.
Speaker 15: So that is a really really good program.
Speaker 1: So give us those schedule real quick this weekend.
Speaker 15: Yep So tomorrow or so tomorrow, the Big Golf Tournament
Speaker 15: starts at five o'clock tomorrow. UCF will play Utah and
Speaker 15: then we will play the winner of that on Thursday.
Speaker 15: Our first game will be Thursday at five o'clock Central,
Speaker 15: three o'clock Tucson time, and then if we win that,
Speaker 15: we will move on to the semi finals on Friday
Speaker 15: at five thirty Central three thirty Twcson time, and then
Speaker 15: the championship game is a morning game on Saturday, nine
Speaker 15: am Twocson time on ESPN.
Speaker 1: So, okay, single elimination, single, single elimination, that is correct, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: good luck, good luck I think your hopes are pretty high.
Speaker 1: You sound like, you know, you're pretty optimistic.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, feeling good for playing good softball right now.
Speaker 15: So just got to keep that going.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 3: Hey, Danny, thanks a whole bunch, man. We appreciate you
Speaker 3: jumping on and go off to your team dinner. Sounds
Speaker 3: like all right, good, all right, thanks Abuch.
Speaker 6: You appreciate it. All right, took care. We still have
Speaker 6: some time.
Speaker 1: We got about five minutes, six minutes, right, if you
Speaker 1: guys want to call, please do five two, oho four one, six,
Speaker 1: seventy four to forty.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at their schedule.
Speaker 3: They kept reeling off, you know, stretch, you know, strings
Speaker 3: of wins.
Speaker 2: They lost two in a row.
Speaker 3: Twice, they lost They lost a two out of three
Speaker 3: to Texas Tech after beating them in the first and
Speaker 3: then they lost the end of a series at BYU
Speaker 3: and then the first game against Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: But they won both of those series. Forty forty three
Speaker 1: and ten. You do ten games, and that's not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of games.
Speaker 3: That's not a whole lot of games to lose in
Speaker 3: a fifty plus game schedule. So there's a reason for that.
Speaker 3: As he said, you know, there wasn't There weren't any
Speaker 3: ups and downs. You know, yeah, you lost a couple
Speaker 3: of games, but every you know, you don't you're not
Speaker 3: gonna win all your games generally when you're playing softball.
Speaker 1: Say, we talk about this a lot, at least when
Speaker 1: you were with me for a while. The chemistry. People
Speaker 1: don't talk about that. And and I don't want to
Speaker 1: be sexist, but we usually specials. You got to keep
Speaker 1: you got to keep that even keel kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And men's too. I mean football basketball, if no one
Speaker 1: likes each other, it's and there's only one ball basketball,
Speaker 1: it's very tough.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And and I don't you know, like I see, softball
Speaker 1: is different.
Speaker 3: But but that's a big thing that that that a
Speaker 3: head coach, particularly at this level, has to do because
Speaker 3: there's a lot one there's a lot more at stake.
Speaker 3: These these players are high level, you know, elite softball
Speaker 3: players here. For they have high expectations of their coaches
Speaker 3: as much as the coaches have high expectations of them.
Speaker 3: They expect to be treated well, they expect to be
Speaker 3: able to get along with their teammates. And if a
Speaker 3: coach cannot help create that, and it and it gets
Speaker 3: out of control.
Speaker 2: They can kill a team.
Speaker 3: You can have all the talent in the world and
Speaker 3: you can suck if you guys aren't out there on
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 1: And we've seen it see each other, Yeah, we've seen it.
Speaker 1: We probably haven't in the thirty seven years I've been
Speaker 1: here and the number of that you've you've covered, we
Speaker 1: probably haven't written or said that enough right when things
Speaker 1: because you kind of say, maybe it'll get fixed, maybe
Speaker 1: you'll get a fixed. Well, someone's last year, right, someone's
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, I mean, how many times could you
Speaker 1: said this gave this team, gave up, gave up on
Speaker 1: the con You could have said that plenty of.
Speaker 3: Time, and a lot of times you don't hear about
Speaker 3: that till after the fact. Right after fact, you hear, well,
Speaker 3: that team really wasn't all that together. And we learned
Speaker 3: that a little bit about last year's team, last year's
Speaker 3: basketball team, not not the team that just finished, but
Speaker 3: the year before, and maybe things weren't kind of you know,
Speaker 3: with some guys, and in a little bit this year too,
Speaker 3: you know, and by that I mean think about the
Speaker 3: guys that left and nobody said, oh damn right.
Speaker 2: You know, people have said, people said, Okay, let's move on.
Speaker 1: Just move on, get some other people. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think that's what tom and that's what Tommy dush. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not a freak out on what's who's coming, who's going.
Speaker 1: That's why I think if Brian leaves, he's already got
Speaker 1: some guy.
Speaker 3: He's got somebody and ready. Every good coach he's always
Speaker 3: had that, and right, good coaches have that. Do you
Speaker 3: see he's he's the tenth highest paid men's college basketball coach.
Speaker 2: You know, he's making somebody five two. Yeah, somebody put
Speaker 2: that out uh on Twitter today.
Speaker 1: You got to get to the d date now to
Speaker 1: get to that, man, he's got to those what's given
Speaker 1: those that are given lots expectations.
Speaker 2: Again, it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 3: Is this team coming up going to be better than
Speaker 3: this last team, which was pretty good, you know, I
Speaker 3: mean they were pretty good in a really tough conference.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy who saved him a few times, a
Speaker 1: guy named Love. Yeah, what he going to get drafted?
Speaker 3: Well, he didn't even get invited to the combine. You know,
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know how you don't at least
Speaker 3: invite him to the combine. Unlet's say again what the
Speaker 3: NBA scouts see versus what we see. Different things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see what happens to him, because I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 3: He'll get you fine here, he'll get a chance somewhere,
Speaker 3: he'll get a tryout, he'll get a chance with an
Speaker 3: NBA team. You know, could hang around the g lea
Speaker 3: for a while, or he may end up doing you know,
Speaker 3: going the the Kyle Fogg Joseph Blair out right, go
Speaker 3: go overseas, make some money, do well and uh and
Speaker 3: you know you just got to you gotta love living
Speaker 3: in Italy and Turkey, and.
Speaker 1: Hey, Israel's that opportunity. You know, my day's over. But
Speaker 1: let me go back to the question I asked you
Speaker 1: before the break. I asked you the chances percentage wise
Speaker 1: O Bryant coming back, and you said fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: I want thought you'd say twenty percent because that's my number.
Speaker 3: Well again, I mean I saw I saw a mock
Speaker 3: draft that had him as high as eight, but I've
Speaker 3: seen more of them that have had him in the
Speaker 3: low twenty.
Speaker 6: Later in the twenty.
Speaker 3: Right, you know, if he's in the low twenties. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a first round pick, but how much better can
Speaker 3: he a lot of room for improvement if he can
Speaker 3: definitively know. Oh and I don't know how you do
Speaker 3: this right because you never know what happens when a
Speaker 3: draft actually pretends. But if you can definitively know that
Speaker 3: he's gonna get drafted in the top ten, he can't
Speaker 3: come back if he came. If he's let's say he's
Speaker 3: twenty two, I'd say, come back, and you know.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get jump change. He's gonna get paid right.
Speaker 3: If he's I think if he's fifteen or below, not
Speaker 3: a lot back, not a lottery pick. Come back, have
Speaker 3: another great year, make enough money to be able to
Speaker 3: go get a pizza and have a car, you know,
Speaker 3: and house in the house and some girlfriends and all
Speaker 3: the other stuff.
Speaker 2: Don't make me, I know, come you know, come back
Speaker 2: and give it another year. And he's and the money
Speaker 2: will come.
Speaker 1: And he's a good kid, so you know that he'll
Speaker 1: make the right decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, obviously, you know, as we saw during
Speaker 3: the season, the bits and pieces we saw of him personally,
Speaker 3: you know, he's tight with his family, with his parents
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. He's he's a guy you know believe,
Speaker 3: you know, has a lot of you know, religious faith
Speaker 3: that he talks about and stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 3: he seems a well grounded kid. And you think, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get my three million a year now
Speaker 3: as a instead of waiting for my twenty million a year.
Speaker 3: You know, next year, it'll be interesting to see what
Speaker 3: he does. I think it's more than the fifty to
Speaker 3: fifty right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't agree because I because to me, he's going
Speaker 1: to get drafted early in the first round sometimes.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, yeah, we we just don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see. Uh again, we disagree.
Speaker 6: I like it.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm here, Steve, That's why you bring me in.
Speaker 1: You disagree makes me feel good about my Yes, tonight
Speaker 1: Golden State plays Minnesota, and who's the other game?
Speaker 6: You know the kid.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, man, I don't want to be
Speaker 2: playing Golden State.
Speaker 3: I mean, dang, yeah, because I get it through the
Speaker 3: seventh seed and you know, they're not supposed to be
Speaker 3: where they are.
Speaker 1: But Minnesota's only I think guys, Yeah, they're playing fairly well.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler, Jimmy Buckets. We'll see what happens. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, staff being staff.
Speaker 3: Steph is staff and he'll always be staff. And so there.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're good enough to win at all. No,
Speaker 3: but there they are entertaining and fun. I'm rooting for
Speaker 3: him because they're fun to want.
Speaker 9: No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't have any money. I'm for him. What I'm
Speaker 2: rooting for, you know, I haven't.
Speaker 3: I haven't made a bet since that, since that baseball
Speaker 3: player died after after I put him in my grid.
Speaker 2: It's scary.
Speaker 1: I gotta go, We gotta Gokay, Kobe, give us some sign,
Speaker 1: let's go come back and breaking news