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Speaker 1: What is a Fellasiko's I Am Dana Valley coming at

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you with my certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes.

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We're here to talk about some NBA rookies, just the

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rookies that have stood out are some of the biggest

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names that we feel like we need to dole out

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grades for. This is our third grading podcast in like

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two weeks. That this will not become a super staple,

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but it's like, all right, fifteen plus games into the season,

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it feels like a good way to just package and

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deliver our overall evaluations of these rookies we've seen so far.

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We'll get into our criteria of course as to how

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we figure out these grades. But first and foremost, Grant,

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it's Thanksgiving week? Are you already in We're recording this

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on a Monday morning? Are you already in Wednesday? Before Thanksgiving?

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Energy mode?

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Speaker 2: What is that energy level? Is that a high energy

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level or low?

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Speaker 1: If you've ever worked in like typical like outside of

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retail where like people actually have to do work in

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corporate America, this whole week is just a disaster. Even look,

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I'm you want people behind the curtain, like as people

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who have deadlines like we're we're working, but it's just

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like we know the people that like set the deadlines

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like probably aren't going to be around when we find so,

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Like I just this week is always weird because everyone

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talks about how little work they get done, and I'm

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always just like, I don't I'm not complaining. I don't

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feel that. No, we always have like the slate before

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Thanksgiving is so fucking crowded. So I this is to

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say I'm highly caffeinated. If I get Wednesday before Thanksgiving energy,

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it's not right now. I'm just I'm so stoked to

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podcast with you again.

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Speaker 2: I'm just yeah, well this also thanks for heading off

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my how are you doing question at the past. I

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know you're doing great. Now I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what day of the Thanksgiving weak energy

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level I'm at. I'm fairly caffeinated. You can always be

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more caffeinated, in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: You can never be too caffeinated in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: No, and until you're at the hospital with arrhythmia or whatever,

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as you're you're in good shape. I'm excited to do

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this the rookies this year. I mean let's just get

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into it. This is in a lot of ways the

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rookie class we were promised. There have been some surprises

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and exceptions, but this does just feel like a group

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that you know has some has It's going to require

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a lot of eye test, I'll put it that way,

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because some of the numbers aren't great. So we'll get

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into it. But that that's kind of the first thing

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I would point out coming.

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Speaker 1: In right and the way we approach this is we

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did try to focus on notable names people care about,

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even if they didn't necessarily play as much as we

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were expecting that we'll be part of this, But we

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had some tough cuts needed to be made because this

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is just not a podcast that needs to be eight

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hours long. I think we end up talking about I

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think we have like twenty rookies. Will shout out some

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other ones that kind of like that we think are noteworthy,

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but we just didn't want to do deep dives on

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maybe we've covered their team a bunch already anyway, as

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we didn't do this when we were grading the old

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faces and new places. A CE is re like average

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relative to expectations. It's not a bad grade. If a

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rookie's getting a sea, it means that he's basically holding

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up his end of the bargain. In our eyes. Now,

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anything below that is where you want to kind of

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be worried. However, when it comes to rookies, you I

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tend to be a little bit more generous, and to me,

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it's more about it's less about the grade. And I'm

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not throwing numbers out the window. We all have numbers

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and we all have observations. But these guys are twenty,

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let's say, about twenty games into their career, fewer than

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twenty games into their career. So I'm not going to

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come out and, oh, man shooting thirty one percent from three,

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several of these guys it's a small sample anyway, just

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because of where we are in the season, but it's

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also like some of them weren't in rotations and then

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are starting, and then some of them were and then

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are have their roles shrink or had injuries crop up.

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some nobody's played more than eighteen games, you might have

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nine of those where it's like, well, this was the

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before the before and after point of his season where

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he actually started to play or you know, actually was

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getting shots like that kind of thing. So really, again

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you pointed out or mentioned the relative to expectations. It's

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not like, you know, there's gonna be one A and

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one B and one C and went dan on down,

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the rookies. That's not what this is. Like if you're

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a mid round pick or even a second rounder and

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you've outperformed expectations, like that's just gonna get a better

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grade than a high pick that's been you know, has

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the counting stats, but like has played like as expected.

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at it. It's not everybody's graded on the same scale,

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which feels unfair, but I don't think there's a better

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way to do it.

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Speaker 1: I will say. What does become difficult, though, is because

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if they're not playing a ton is, can you like,

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does that ding their grade unless you think that I

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can't get there unless you think so. An example would

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be and we will talk about him read Shepherd. Do

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you grade him? Do you demerit him? Because he's not

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playing more, and you think he has control over that

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and he hasn't impressed enough to get more minutes or

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is it? Oh, the Rockets are really good and deep.

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many dudes that you just grade him relative to the

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minutes that he's been on the floor, not the fact

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that this is the number three pick. Who is what

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is he even in like the top twenty five of

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minutes played for rookies.

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Speaker 2: I know he's like eighth or ninth on his own

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team among not long with rookies obviously, but like, yeah,

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he's just he's on the fringes of like you know,

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of the rotation.

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Speaker 1: Basically we begin grant the number one overall pick, mister

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Zachary Resiche, how you feel about this kid?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a So he has definitely had the most

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consistent role I would say of any first year players

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number one overall pick. Obviously, only a handful of guys

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have played four hundred minutes. He's one of them. He's

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got more starts than any other rookie this year. So

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he's you know, the Hawks are an okay team so far,

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kind of up and down, and he's had a starting

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role and decent, you know, fairly consistent amount of minutes

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all year like that alone in a rookie class, like

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that's now your number one pick, that should probably be

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the expectation. But I think he's met that, like he's

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been good enough to stay out there and you know,

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again low usage, the shot looks good to me, Like

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he does shoot like a pretty easy ball. It's not

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going in that it's twenty five percent from three that

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that's bad if like your role right now is you're

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a connective passer who is gonna make spot up shots

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and defend. He still looks like I understand why he

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went where he went in the draft, Like I can

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see the numbers aren't good, but the eye test stuff

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like he just looks like a big wing that's going

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to be able to do a little bit of everything.

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results haven't been there. So to me, like he he

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didn't come bild as like, oh he's going to be

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a star, right, like that was priced in to him

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even being pick number one. He's got a thirty three

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point game, so you know he's getting a couple of steals.

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seems okay to me. He seems kind of like what

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what you expected? And I haven't maybe more importantly, I

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haven't seen anything where it's like, oh, I don't like

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he's he's not gonna stick, or like he he looks

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weak or like that kind of nothing jumps out as

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a glaring problem. So I'm mostly positive on him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be too. I think that he's probably

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been he's been better than I even would have expected,

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and maybe I was just too low on the draft class. Overall,

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he's he's plug and play, and that's basically what you described.

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I've been impressed with his movement, like because a lot

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of his stuff is going to happen away from the ball.

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those situations. He is scoring grant about the same number

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of movement points per seventy five possessions as Jamal Murray

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and Klay Thompson. So he's like right in that area.

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probably is more of a volume thing, but he's a

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rookie and so you want to see the shooting percentages

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come up. In the macro, I think defensively too, relative

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to the workload that they have him carrying. I've been

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mostly impressed there. I still don't know if he bills

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is like his path to start him is is there

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more self creation on offense than we've seen, or is

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he just so he's super plug and play on the

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offensive end and then he's like a capsock stopper on defense.

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view him as such, but like the pairing of him

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in Dyson Daniels' long term super intriguing. And again they're

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not like I know Dyson Daniels is on this team,

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but like Zachary Recha's getting reps against top guys. They're

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not insulating him like you're gonna see him Againt Zaclavine

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or Jaylen Williams, like just some of the matchups I'm

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remembering anecdotally.

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Speaker 2: That's a big part of it. It is like he

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is starting and playing a lot, and he's not being

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really hidden, you know in the wa ways, like some

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of these rookies we're gonna talk about are getting a

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lot of second unit minutes in the competition you face

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is just worse and your role is not as big,

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so we've got them both in the B plus area.

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but I do think just considering like what he's asked

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to do and like how he's looked relative to what

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we were told he'd be, he's just been like a

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good version of that player, Like the numbers will come up.

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it could be just in his role, like if you're

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not guaranteed a consistent number of touches within Atlanta's pecking

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order even with and look, the point guard situation aside

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from Tree Young isn't great right now, Like you have

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kind of a by committee thing happening by Donovis missed

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a ton of time. Who seemed Dison Daniel's handle it

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a bit, And he's someone who is of right now

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for sure, Like you'd like steady or point guard play

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overall around him. Our next guy up, mister Hughes Tjan

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I think some people were surprised that the Hornets ended

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up taking him where they did. Was that was number six, right?

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Speaker 2: So, like really good size, not necessarily for a center,

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which is where he has actually spent a little bit

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of time. Because every guy that could possibly play center

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that's played for the Hornets this year keeps getting hurt.

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Grant Williams the latest to go down. Tough tough break

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like major knee injury, ACL and some other stuff. Mark

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and he's very young too, Like he's pretty filled out.

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he's I've even seen him like get into it after

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you know, some perceived shoves under the underneath the boards,

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like he'll confront guys. The three point attempt rate is high,

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the conversion rate is low. Like he's just he's such

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a project, right, which is exactly what we were told

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it's just a long long way off, you know, to

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where he's eventually a pretty multi skilled combo forward type

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just like chaos and bodily form. Like the

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energy is there and you love the way that he's

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going to get up and down the floor. He's actually

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done a really good job of drawing shooting fouls in transition.

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But I think this is someone that you should have

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expected to be a project, and I think you could

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argue that he wasn't supposed to have as much of

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a role as he does now if it wasn't for

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some of the injuries up and down Charlotte's roster. So

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he's probably I think I see the vision of him

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more as a player to where it's just like, oh,

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this sort of like bigger wing sized guy could be

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a play finisher. You've been able to move him around defensively.

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I wanted to see plus here because I think even

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just by virtue of playing as much as he has

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so far, he's probably exceeded my expectations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got him right there. I have him as

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a C. It's just like it's more it's he's projectable,

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like I can understand the appeal, it's it's just very

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very far off. And I think like that's basically his

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draft scouting report, like, yeah, there's something in there, but

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it's going to be a while.

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Speaker 1: You want to lead us through this next guy, mister Hughes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is modest bizillis for the Chicago Bulls. So

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we had like it's always interesting when you get a

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G leag ignite guy because you sort of have what

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feels like I don't know, I don't know why I

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think this, but it's like he shot it this way

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for the in for the ignite and like or he

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played this way or had this turnover issue or whatever.

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Somehow that feels more predictive or more useful than college numbers.

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He shot twenty two percent from three last year in

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the G League, and so that was a big concern

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coming in. Like good athlete, good size, like Rangey. I

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don't know, you see him six nine or six ten,

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depending on where you look good in the open floor.

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He's already got a handful of like highlight dunk that

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have been impressive mostly just kind of with a clear runway,

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super competitive, like wants to dunk on people, which is

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another part of his like pre draft profiles that he's

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like very confident, like just like that kind of thing. Still,

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so this is probably a couple games all through his

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first fifteen games. We'll just to keep it accurate, just

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under thirty five percent from three so that that's solid.

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But he was eight to twenty three. That's a small

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he's not getting him up, you know, he's not playing

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a ton. I think just the open floor stuff, the

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hints that maybe he's a guy that could develop some

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like just beat his man out of a triple threat

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type of thing and maybe develop into a guy who

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can shoot it, you know, off the catch offf movement. Again,

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he's a little like Salon. It's like I can I

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can see it. He's got more ball skills and stuff

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than Salon does. But so I think I've been encouraged

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by the flashes. But we just don't. I mean, as

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you're talking, I'm gonna look up his minutes like he's

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not getting it.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah he was. I didn't even mean to have you.

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So I think he's been better than I expected, just

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because he hasn't played a ton. I didn't expect him

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to play a ton because the Bulls are all over

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the place getting some more run over the past couple games.

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When I kind of looked at him, I expected the

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shooting percentages to be all over the place. I want

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to know if there was going to be enough on

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ball flashes, which I think there have been. He also

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runs the floor really well. I don't know if this

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is someone who's going to generate ever blow by separation,

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but he can play like he gets separation with that shoulder,

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like when he's able to pull back, and so I

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see the outlines of a player, and then I think

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he's just been like he's made more plays at the

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rim than I would have expected to see from him

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this season, even in the small minutes prior to his

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most recent two games. And if like, if that's someone

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that he can be just like an offensive confident who's

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going to make some plays on the defensive end. Black

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Way his block rate four point eight, like just as

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a rookie, and who's like at what is he six

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' nine? Is he even listed that high? So I

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favorite I went with for his grade. I went with

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a B. I think that maybe I'm a little bit too.

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Maybe the past two games, because I've seen a lot

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of the Bulls have maybe tilted me more towards Oh,

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this is the high end. But I'm also looking at

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it from the perspective of I didn't really expect him

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to do anything this year because they just have so

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many bodies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got him out a c plus, I think

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you know, he's He's been kind of kind of what

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we thought so far. Actually, a lot of these guys

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have basically lived up to their their pre draft billing

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in a lot of ways, so he's just been a

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little better. The Flashes have been a little more intriguing

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to me than maybe I expected them to be.

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Speaker 1: Next up, what are your thoughts on Ron Hollins.

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Speaker 2: Sir man, the low light of the year. Those two

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free throws. He missed that that could have essentially staved

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off over time and got the Pistons and win against

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I think it was the Bucks. Then he and then

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the next night out goes four or four from the

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foul line. I don't know if you saw a clip

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of those misfree throws, but they were both like the

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barely grays the front of the room, short, like nervousness

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kind of thing. So glad he got over that and

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moved past that. The athleticism, the defense, and the inability

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to shoot are kind of all there. So we've sort

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of got another guy that's kind of aligning with with

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his you know, pre draft stuff. If he could he

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just hit a few more threes, I feel really good

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about it. I still think, like I understand why some

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people were really really high on him. He competes really

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hard on defense, like all that stuff is really pretty

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clear in the early going. So I like him. It's

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just like, can the Pistons draft the guy whose principal

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question isn't about shooting? Like? It just makes you We

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just got Jade and Ivy seems okay. Now we've still

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got Thompson, we still got Holland.

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Speaker 1: Isn't try Weaver articularly still a consult with the organization

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or he transitioned to that role. So the answer to

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your question is no, they can like that just as

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long as he's associated with them. They need to They

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need to draft those types of players. Maybe try Rever

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isn't with them anymore?

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Speaker 2: What does he? No? No?

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Speaker 1: He oh yeah, he's an advisor for the Wizards. I apologize.

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So I'm behind on the times on that.

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Speaker 2: Uh I.

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Speaker 1: So the shooting we knew was going to be a concern,

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And when I watch him shoot, I feel like, Okay,

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this is someone who can shoot better than he's at

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ten percent now on catch and shoot threes. So I

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don't hate the way the jumper necessarily necessarily looks. He

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has some really good moments in transition. He's drawing shooting

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fouls eighteen point nine percent of the time in transition.

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That's a good rate. I just and even look the handle.

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I can kind of see there, and he's hits them

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like these runners floaters, like he's not really taking a

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ton of floaters, but like he can score before he's

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getting to the basket. The thing that I think actually

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concerns me the most, and he does feel like a

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guy who will fight on defense and it is hard

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to screen. I just feel like, and I don't know

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if this is by virtue of when he's playing, because

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he's only started one game this season, it feels like

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they've insulated him more defensively than you would have expected

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and even would like Whenasar Thompson has yet to play

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as we record this, and so I haven't seen, and

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maybe that's by design, but I haven't seen as much

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as just Okay, Ron Holland go match up with star X,

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And again, I know because of the way that the

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pistons are the excuse me, when he's coming into the game,

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that's not necessarily intuitive. But I've been I've been impressed,

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and he certainly has like the hands and he can

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be disruptive on the defensive end, but I would like

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to see him in higher leverage situations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely to your point, like he he and

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Reed Shepherd are the only rookies I think who played

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eighteen games as we record this, he's like in the

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top fifteen in minutes. Yeah, he's fifteenth in total minutes,

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so like he's playing every night. But you're right, like

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he just isn't You would have been nice if they

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just said, like, you don't worry about offense at all,

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just go guard Jason Tatum like that. And he has,

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you know, he has guarded like some of the higher

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you know usage guys. But I agree, like you may

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as well, just cause he's gonna be good at that,

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I think. But if we don't know what the offense

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is gonna look like if the SHOT's gonna fall, I

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do think defensively, like, as long as he's gives a shit,

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he's gonna be a plus defender. Like that's just I

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feel like that's that's fairly certain. So I game a

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B minus, you have a C. I think it's anything

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in like the the C minus to like B plus

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ranges defensible just because he's again the numbers are terrible,

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but it just he does he look like an NBA

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wing or not? Like, yeah, I think he does.

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Speaker 1: We have Reed Shepherd next, my Rookie of the Year pick,

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who's boiler Alert's not gonna win rook And I said

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this in spite of not only being warned by people

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that he wasn't gonna play a ton, but us acknowledging

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that he probably wasn't going to play a ton. But

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I went the route of he's going to be so undeniable,

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he's gonna end up playing enough minutes. How's that looking

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for you?

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Speaker 2: Same opinion. I didn't care about the glut of young

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guys and guards and different combos that you had to

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try out with Houston. I just thought he'd be so

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good in so many different ways, right because we saw

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in the summer league and preseason, like, oh, well that

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floater is gonna fall. Oh look that handle. He's getting

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to the spots he wants to, So we don't need

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him to shoot fifty plus percent from three like he

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did in college. Like he could be a creator, he

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can be like a paint scorer. He can be a

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guy who's gonna get a ton of steals and hold up,

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you know, an individual. There were so many ways for

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him to get out there. And the thing is, like

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he's kind of showed all that stuff. It's just he's

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not getting on the floor. And his role is never

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a big one. Like it's very rare for him to

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be in a like anything close to an alpha offensive position.

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Maybe that's not his role, but like that's suppressing the numbers.

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The percentages are good. He's thirty eight and a half

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percent from three. I's got ten steals in eighteen games,

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and that's small roles, like doing stuff.

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Speaker 1: His defensive activity, and I know they're kind of built

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to let him do that, but it's been a lot

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higher than I would have expected. I just they have.

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I just I'm disappointed he's not playing more. But I

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see the outline of someone who aside from like, okay,

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the defensive activity has been better than I expected. Shooting

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forty percent on above the breakthreees is a great indicator

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for him. I really do think that this is someone

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who could be the primary engine of an offense, though

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he's shown it a little bit, not running a ton

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of pick and rolls, but one point zero five points

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per possession out of the pick and rolls the ball handler.

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That for a rookie, even in the type of lineups

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he's going up against, that's great because look, Houston's offense

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is kind of I don't it is getting wins, and

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they have had knights where they're really good. I have

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I'm not understand Houston's offensive hierarchy at all, and so

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to be kind of thrown to that where you're not

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getting a ton of like regular minutes, like you can

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even look at his minutes like, oh, eleven minutes here

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and sixteen minutes there, Oh there were seven minutes there

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or whatever it was. I am. I don't want to

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say him coming away higher on Reed Shepherd, but I

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think in this situation would be easy to be concerned

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that he has not figured out a way to carve

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out more minutes and maybe we see that later in

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the season. Although Houston profiles as a team that will

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be playing for real stakes. I haven't seen anything though

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that would move me off of believing that he's going

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to be the best player in this draft class.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I that we both said that,

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00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:34,079
didn't we.

477
00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:37,839
Speaker 1: I know, I think that's fair, every fair. I did

478
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,240
have Cody Williams number one of my big board. That's

479
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:40,680
not that's not.

480
00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 2: We will discuss him briefly at some point. We both have.

481
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,759
We both game would be. I think like part of

482
00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:49,920
that is just not wanting to move off of our

483
00:20:50,079 --> 00:20:52,960
priors of this guy's, you know, God's gifts of basketball,

484
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,960
and part of it is like he really has kind

485
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,000
of done what we thought he would do. It's just

486
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,000
he's not getting the opportunity to play quite as much as.

487
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 1: We And by the way, the Rockets are good enough

488
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,920
to where you can't oh yeah, you can't ding them

489
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,559
for that, because it would be they do need more

490
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,920
consistent spacing, which he would provide. But when you look

491
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,160
at the guys they're playing, I mean, can't wait more

492
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,759
spend time in the G League this season. That's not

493
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,680
necessarily something And maybe you could have seen it coming

494
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,640
when looking at their depth, cart you just what are

495
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,000
the Rockets supposed to do here? Yeah, our next guy,

496
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,960
mister Hughes. I don't know if anyone's ever heard of him.

497
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,519
Don't Connect play Lakers.

498
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,599
Speaker 2: So do we need to? I mean we don't need to,

499
00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:36,680
But it's annoying when partisan fans of a team who

500
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:39,000
talk up every player they have get to do the

501
00:21:39,079 --> 00:21:41,480
I told you so when they're right occasionally, and that

502
00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:43,440
is very much the case with don Connect, because we're

503
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,680
both of the mind that like, oh yeah, this rookie

504
00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:48,559
that's coming in is gonna play a huge.

505
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: Role better than Torrian Prince for you, rookies never help.

506
00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:54,559
Speaker 2: It's just the best he could do is be a

507
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,799
break even player. He's been awesome. I mean everybody. He's

508
00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:00,000
on the radar of everybody now, Like he's a quality

509
00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:04,480
starter that can space the floor, is smart, like knows

510
00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:07,119
where to be. He's kind of a good as another

511
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,640
good like example of guys that uh was, you know,

512
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:13,359
stay stay in school. You know you get these fully

513
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,240
developed prospects. Why why why do these guys always fall

514
00:22:16,319 --> 00:22:18,799
in the draft. They're ready to help, and like he's

515
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,279
just validated all that. Now, the only negative you can

516
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,000
offer is like, maybe he's not gonna get all that

517
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,720
much better, Like he's he's very old for a rookie,

518
00:22:28,839 --> 00:22:30,519
and like this just you know, there's not a ton

519
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:32,720
of upside. But that's not what this great is about.

520
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,880
This great is about how well his Dalton connect playde

521
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,720
relative expectations. And unless you're just like in your purple

522
00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:41,240
and gold onesie twenty four hours a day, like he's

523
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:44,039
exceeded your expectations, I would say certainly has mind shot

524
00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:45,200
the ship expectations?

525
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 1: Is he not exceeded? I want to know what they

526
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,720
thought he was going to be.

527
00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: I mean, there's got to be some fraction of Lakers

528
00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:53,000
fans that were like, yep, I'm a little surprised he's

529
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,000
only shooting with like forty five percent from three.

530
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,319
Speaker 1: I kind of thought this was gonna be like the

531
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,599
second coming of Steph Curry meets JJ Reddick meets Desmond Baders.

532
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:05,559
I don't know. I So also, my thoughts on him

533
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,319
kind of aligned with what you were saying. The movement

534
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,640
is divine and not really an element that the Lakers got.

535
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,799
You can say JJ Reddick came in and implemented more

536
00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:13,200
of it. But they didn't even have someone on the

537
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,079
team last year. And unless you think Max Christy is

538
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,759
that type of player that you could kind of just

539
00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:19,799
plug in here and say, well, hey, do that he

540
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,680
runs the floor really well. He's shooting seventy seven percent

541
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,319
at the rim. He's also been six in the sixty

542
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,440
third percent Tiland points score per possession off screens. What

543
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:31,119
I really the two things that I think have surprised

544
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,039
me is because he's not like a super fast player

545
00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,400
even when he's on the ball, but like he's been

546
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,559
able to attack some aggressive closeouts, get to like a

547
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,000
floater runner type, and that shot is in his bag.

548
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,480
I did not, you know, over time, maybe I thought,

549
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:45,079
but I wouldn't have predicted, like, no, this is just

550
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,960
someone who just really needs to, you know, get up

551
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,839
threes and that's all he's gonna do. And he's not.

552
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,799
I don't think he's a good defender. He's been harder

553
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,759
to screen or to take out of plays than I thought.

554
00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:57,400
When you go back and watch him now before I

555
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,440
reveal the grades, do you think there's any hint of

556
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:03,160
Because let's try to be a little self aware. I

557
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,359
think some families get frustrated it's well, it's because this

558
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,920
dude plays for the Lakers, and if he was on

559
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,519
Charlotte or if he was on I don't know, like

560
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:11,839
Portland or something, he wouldn't be getting as much love.

561
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,240
Do you think there's any of that at play here

562
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:17,759
or are we playing like look where this guy was drafted?

563
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:18,680
It's like, what are you?

564
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

565
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,759
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't.

566
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to say there's no like Lakers

567
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:29,480
bump or whatever whatever the issue is. But like just

568
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,920
just take the team out of it and say, there's

569
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,480
a rookie that has taken over a starting job next

570
00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:37,000
to superstars in a in a big on a big

571
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,480
market team that's trying to win. Now he's got a

572
00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:43,400
sixty seven true shooting percentage, and like it looks like

573
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:46,160
he understands what to do on both ends. Like that's

574
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:48,960
that's gonna be a high grade whether whether you play

575
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,200
for the Lakers or or anybody. So, I don't know

576
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,599
how you divide, it's like kind of indivisible. He does

577
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,720
play for the Lakers, so that's gonna skew a lot

578
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:58,759
of thoughts or just at least put him in the

579
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,880
public eye more than other players would. For other teams,

580
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,720
but like he's just been objectively great. Like that's so

581
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,400
I got an A plus. I don't know what, what

582
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:07,920
else do you want him to do for a mid

583
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:08,480
round pick?

584
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: I went with an A because he didn't get Lebron

585
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,839
lying about his pre draft thoughts on him until like

586
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,440
game I don't know if it was like twelve or something,

587
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,319
and that's just late here. I did find that funny,

588
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,559
and I love Lebron, he's my goat. But it's just

589
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:23,799
where he has to speak in hyperbole and it's just

590
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,440
so funny where he's like, we didn't we didn't find him.

591
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:27,839
Other teams fucked up.

592
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: Right, That's like a shot at your team in a way,

593
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,519
it's like, oh yea like this.

594
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Honestly, this front office has found talent. I'm not gonna

595
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,039
give credit to Rob Blake specifically. I'm sure he has

596
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,440
the scouty department deserves a ton of credit here. They've

597
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:45,960
found guys, like dating back to the guys that they've

598
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:48,839
let walk that shouldn't or move that they shouldn't have. True,

599
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,480
they've been able to identify talent, so this isn't necessarily surprising,

600
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,319
but he's been I'm just wondering as they're like, do

601
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,079
you think that this is someone who should be like, okay,

602
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,000
closing unit member, pencil it and Stone like Dalton Connect

603
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,319
kind of.

604
00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:03,559
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it'll be interesting when Ruy comes back

605
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,000
because whenever he misses time, it's like, man, the Lakers

606
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,519
are really missing that bigger wing and so like what.

607
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: Happens when Jared Vanderbilt. Maybe he'll be healthy at some point.

608
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: Man, Man, how long we've been saying that? You know,

609
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,920
I think Connect is just like he's a he's a

610
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,839
good starter that has has a premium skill. You know,

611
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,480
I love the premium skills. He's just a great, great

612
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:24,240
three point shooter.

613
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,799
Speaker 1: I don't remember how many teams have multiple rookies that

614
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:28,279
we're gonna go through, but I can assure you that

615
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:30,079
Memphis Grizzlies are one of them, and we we had

616
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,960
a narrow it down to two despite them having like,

617
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,160
what is it like twelve that we could have chosen

618
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,359
from so many? Yeah, mister zach Edie Grant, how we

619
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,720
feel about him pretty.

620
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: Much as advertised. He's out right now, but when on

621
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:48,400
the floor, he just gives you the size, the offensive rebounding,

622
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:53,200
the physicality, like all that stuff and also that comes

623
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,720
with it is like, yeah, it is kind of hard

624
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:58,079
sometimes in space on defense for him, and like, you know,

625
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,160
I don't know like what ultimate his offensive role should be.

626
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,480
He does have like very good touch and those little

627
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,839
hooks that he shoots are like he's I think he

628
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,519
is someone that can score if it were twenty five

629
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,960
years ago and like post up centers were still a

630
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:15,319
major thing, Like I think he would just you know,

631
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,079
he's kind of in the wrong era, I guess. But

632
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,160
he does have more you know, you'd say, like unconventional

633
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:25,799
skills for a guy his size than I thought, but

634
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,480
just good you know, high rebound rate, block shots is

635
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,880
a big deterrent in there. It's just kind of pretty

636
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,640
much what we thought right Like and like again, he's

637
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,119
another guy that he was thrust into a big role early.

638
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,039
He's got more experience than some other guys. But still,

639
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,160
like I'm mostly mostly encouraged. He's another one, though I

640
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,680
don't know, like kind of in the mold of connected,

641
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:50,880
like how much better is Zach Edy gonna get? And

642
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,640
how much better do the Grizzlies need him to be?

643
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,039
Maybe that's a better question.

644
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm not concerned at all his

645
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,440
some of the foul stuff. I actually thought that that's

646
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:02,480
been like a bigger issue than I would have expected.

647
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,359
The other thing that I'm kind of just wondering, and

648
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,640
I don't know if this is a they're doing this

649
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,200
specifically for zach Edi or if this is how they

650
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,079
wanted to develop, but like over four post uffs for

651
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,480
thirty six minutes just feels high, giving them direction of

652
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,160
the game, and just like what type of mismatches are

653
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,559
you looking for him to punish? And especially when you're

654
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,720
I know they're the Grizzlies offense is still at its

655
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:23,799
best when it's in transition or after they're grabbing an

656
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,200
offensive rebound, which, by the way, zach Edy's a really

657
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,920
big part of that. But I also find myself wishing

658
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,240
sometimes when he's grabbing an offensive board that he would

659
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,440
make a better decision with the ball there. So, like

660
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:35,200
their second chance offensive rating is is fine, it's through

661
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,200
the roof, but he's not shooting as well in putbacks

662
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,720
as I would have expected. Again, are made super high him,

663
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,799
and I think anyone who thought he couldn't necessarily hold

664
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,519
up defensively in this teams are shooting like more of

665
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,079
their shots at the rim when he's on the court.

666
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:49,119
I don't know how much of that has to do

667
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:51,720
if they're gonna get out in transition or if Zach

668
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:53,480
Edy's just going to be too far in front of

669
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:57,279
certain plays, but I think he's eventually going to be

670
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,079
someone you look at it's, oh, like he's a big

671
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,119
deterrent on the interior and he doesn't look physically or

672
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,960
mobilely overmatched in most a lot of games at least

673
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,519
that I've seen.

674
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, tiny sample six to ten

675
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,440
from three and like the ball comes out pretty good.

676
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:14,240
I think he has he has good touch around the

677
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:16,759
rim and on full you know, shorter hooks and stuff

678
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:20,359
like that. As I mentioned, So there's like there is

679
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,279
a brook Lopez possibility here, like I think, you know,

680
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:24,599
if he by the way.

681
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I forgot to mention, but just like you

682
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,319
mentioned brook Lopez, he's contesting about it's over forty two

683
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,480
percent of all shots at the basket when he's on

684
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:33,920
the court, And just for context, that's like about on

685
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,400
the level of a Jared Out. It's not a good

686
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,839
number to be at as a rookie, especially if teams

687
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,279
are kind of actively looking to get you away.

688
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: Round that area. Yeah, so I could see he's a

689
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:46,720
drop coverage big that maybe develops some three point shooting

690
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,960
and can just will be a better rebounder than Lopez

691
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:52,519
for sure. So like there's there's a vision here. So

692
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:55,680
I gave him a bee just because I I I

693
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,960
was really legitimately worried that, like he just he can't move,

694
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:00,839
like you know, he's knocking. The speed of the game's

695
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,000
too much. He's going to be a target. I don't

696
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,960
think that's going to be the case. So I'm I'm

697
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,960
a little higher on him now than after he was drafted.

698
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,839
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe I should go up from a

699
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,640
seed plus just because of what you mentioned. He is

700
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,359
six of ten from three, but I kind of expected

701
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,440
him to be doing even more. Yeah, I like that weird. Yeah, So,

702
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,240
and the defense has been again, I think he's going

703
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,480
to be fine. They're really good on that end. Another

704
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,720
Memphis grizzlyes Rooie though here Grant, mister Jalen Wells, who Now,

705
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,359
we talked about doing this exercise in September. Do you

706
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,200
think that you thought we were gonna have an individual

707
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:31,799
segment on Jalen Wells I.

708
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just I don't know, is he the most

709
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:36,960
we haven't gone all the way through, but like gotta

710
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,279
be the most out of nowhere huge rookie contributor. Right,

711
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:43,400
there's just no one everybody else was was you knew

712
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,440
the name at least you know. I don't think Wells

713
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,640
was on almost anybody's radar. As like a starting caliber

714
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,599
wing fifty plus from the field, forty percent from deep.

715
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,920
He has the wing size, can defend. Like really, I've

716
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:57,880
mentioned this every time we've talked about him, which the

717
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,119
fact that we've talked about Jalen Walls multiple times in

718
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,799
the first month of the season, I think speaks to

719
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:04,799
what he's done. He's second in the among rookies in

720
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,519
total minutes played by the way. That's a factor. But

721
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,200
he just defensively, like he competes. And there's the second

722
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,680
effort stuff. That's the part I always mentioned, which is

723
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:16,079
again there's not a stat for that, it's just you

724
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,720
watch him play and like he really does have the

725
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,920
game that you could project forward as like this guy's

726
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,559
a two way wing that can do a little bit

727
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,519
with the ball on his own too, Like that's just

728
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,680
kind of a bonus. But got over thirty assists. That's

729
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,799
up there high, certainly among rookie wings. Shoots the ball well,

730
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,440
doesn't play outside himself like all those cliches. It's just like,

731
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:41,559
this is just a very good NBA wing that it

732
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,359
was I don't know, a draft afterthought to me, Like

733
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,599
was just someone that was projected as like the thirty

734
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,640
or fortieth best prospect in the draft.

735
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we probably just should have known that

736
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,160
there were gonna be injuries in Memphis and he would

737
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,759
just play shit we at this point, it should have

738
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,359
but like opening up the year basically know, oh, Vince

739
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:01,240
Williams and Gigi Jackson out of the rotation, like just

740
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,240
knowing that even before the season started, maybe he should

741
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,160
have been more on our radar. I would echo everything

742
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,759
you said. The two things that have stood out that

743
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,079
I think you like just didn't Well, you mentioned his defense.

744
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,640
He is guarding number one options more often than anybody else,

745
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,119
I mean Grizzlies. And by the way, like the Grizzlies

746
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:18,680
don't suck on defense. It's like to have a rookie

747
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,319
shouldering that type of workload and then to not suck

748
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,599
on the defensive end. Hey, that's a pretty big deal,

749
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,720
and then the shooting. I'm like the three point shooting

750
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,359
has been divined also, like quietly forty seven percent on

751
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,440
pull up twos. It's like, no, not someone you necessarily

752
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,160
want operating with the ball a ton, but like, are

753
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,119
we about to have the conversation? Like I kind of

754
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,000
thought we might have had it with Gig Jackson this year,

755
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,079
but it's oh, haveing Grizzlies kind of found like a wing,

756
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,640
a properly sized wing of the future where it's not

757
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,000
like Vince Williams he's six y four, but he kind

758
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:47,759
of plays like he's six to eight, or Marcus Smart

759
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:49,480
when they traded for him, kind of the same deal.

760
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,160
So to now have two of those guys, even when

761
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,640
Gig Jackson is healthy, that's like not insignificant for this

762
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:03,680
team because they've needed a wings like Rudy Gay. It's

763
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,759
really true, and I think some gristly sense at the

764
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:08,079
time would have argued even before that, like before you

765
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:12,519
actually yet, Oh this was I think this was the

766
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,559
easiest grade I gave out A plus.

767
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the second rounder A plus. Like, I

768
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:19,799
don't know what else would you possibly have asked for

769
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,640
him to do. Devil's advocate this, can you, I can't.

770
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,880
We're onto Rob Dillingham, so he has not played a ton.

771
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,559
Speaker 1: He did, he did help lead the charge and that

772
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,519
come back against the Celtics that winds up falling short

773
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,440
on Sunday night. I look at him, I look at

774
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,680
the state of Minnesota's roster at this point when you

775
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,400
look at Mike common missing games, Mike commonly not playing

776
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,079
up the snuff, and I just sort of find myself wondering.

777
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,519
And we also know by the way, like this has

778
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:51,319
been a big topic of what you gave up to

779
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,279
get him, even if you considered him a longer term project.

780
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,359
And I think we're getting to the point where it's like,

781
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,359
maybe Chris Finch, like this is you unearthed something against

782
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:02,319
Boston when he plays a whopping total of sixteen minutes,

783
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,119
scores fourteen points, shoots six of ten from the floor,

784
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,599
Like it might just be time to have the conversation,

785
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:11,000
especially if you're if this is the version of like,

786
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,039
think about how up and down healthy Mike Colmley has been,

787
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,920
who's talked a lot about having to find himself on

788
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,480
the team than dealing with the wrist injury. It's probably

789
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:22,039
time to unwrap Rob Dillingham more often, and I think

790
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,559
before I throw it to you, just my initial thoughts,

791
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:29,000
Like this is even before the Celtics game. Defenses react

792
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,159
to him like there's real on ball zip there, so

793
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,079
like just try him more. And he's shooting like five

794
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,360
of eight on drives that not like five of eight,

795
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,320
he's actually shooting five of eight off of his drives.

796
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,760
So he's like when he gets into the paint, like

797
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,360
there's a real reaction and he can be a little

798
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,880
bit frantic. Like when I watch Minnesota's offense in the

799
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,039
half court sometimes they can kind of use that like

800
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:53,119
phrenetic energy because Julius Randall and you feel like some

801
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,440
like he's been pretty bad. I'm it's interesting seeing Timberwolves

802
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,239
like try to reconcile what like Randall's transition defense are

803
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,239
lacked thereof and like kind of oh first time, I

804
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,440
mean for them, but like he's going to give you

805
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,719
more of just like the word is probably zip to

806
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,519
where Julius Randall's gonna be more methodical. He'll want to

807
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:12,840
bully his way down there. I know Rob Dillingham's a

808
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,199
little smaller, he's slighter, but like you might just need

809
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,880
that quick connectivity and I don't think we've seen it yet.

810
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,360
As much like this dude will get off the ball,

811
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,960
I'd probably want to see him like be a little

812
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,119
bit more variable when he does get going downhill and

813
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,079
like either throw like more complicated passes or just like

814
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:31,280
not try and just be so determined to score. Which,

815
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,679
by the way, if he's in the game, it might

816
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,960
just be what you want from him is the on

817
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:36,880
ball creation. I'm just sort of wondering, Hey, like this

818
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,360
might just be a lever you need to pull more

819
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,400
often at this point. I know that defense has probably

820
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,519
been a bigger concern for the Timberwolves overall, but like,

821
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,840
surviving the minutes offensively without Anthony Edwards remains a concern.

822
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,719
I don't think Dillingham is ready to do it, But

823
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,599
is there something there where it's well, it's not necessarily

824
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,000
punt on defense, but can you get enough out of

825
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:58,079
him in units without an Anthony Edwards to kind of

826
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,400
prop up your offense a little bit more, which finally

827
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:03,199
you are in the twenty fifth percentile of offensive efficiency

828
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:04,599
when Andy Edwards is not on the court.

829
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say I think I think I agree

830
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,239
with all that. I do think he just needs to

831
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,400
play more that Celtics teams was the first one all

832
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,400
year he played more than ten minutes, and like there

833
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,199
are a lot of low single digit nights where just

834
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,400
it's pure garbage time. I think there's there's room for

835
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,119
all of the stuff we thought when the Wolves gave

836
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:25,400
up what they gave up to get him, there's room

837
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,280
for that stuff to still pan out. Which was which

838
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,559
is to say they did this because Conley's getting older.

839
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,000
They want more playmaking and scoring, and that's like what

840
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,519
Rob Dillingham does. That's kind of all he like defensively,

841
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:40,519
it's going to be an issue, but I agree, it's

842
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:43,880
just like this is a team that needs what he

843
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,599
does well in theory, and I think it's time for

844
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,920
him to have larger stretches of minutes to prove that

845
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,760
he can do that. His per thirty six numbers seventeen

846
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,000
and five. His shooting splits are nuts, So those are

847
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,000
all very small samples you shot at great like I guess,

848
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,440
like up until That's Celtics game where you saw him

849
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,480
actually play, it was really confused, like why did you

850
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:06,639
give up two first round assets for this guy? We're

851
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,679
trying to win now, Like like he provides in theory

852
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,840
what you need, like why why do that if he's

853
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,440
not going to play, And now maybe we're kind of

854
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,440
tipping over that point if he's gonna play.

855
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: But it's over. What happens when Mike Conley suiting up

856
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:18,920
is also the.

857
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: I will say too. In that Celtics game he had

858
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,519
he had a play where it was semi transition and

859
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:28,800
he's kind of caught between Jason Tatum at the top

860
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,719
of the three point arc and I forget who was

861
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,280
on the wing, but he like stunted at Tatum. Tatum

862
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,079
has the ball, stunted at Tatum and leaves the ball

863
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,039
and goes to like cover the wing that he thought

864
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:40,039
Tatum was going to pass to, and they were talking

865
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:42,400
about it on the broadcast. Tatum had to have been

866
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,079
like are you are you serious? Like you're just leaving

867
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,719
He left Jason Tatum alone for an open three at

868
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,199
the top of the arc, and it was just like rookie,

869
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,519
that's just it was. It was rough.

870
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: This is sort of like it's not a perfect analog

871
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:57,599
for Denver, but it was leading. We'll have to see

872
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:59,480
what happens in the games moving forward and how his

873
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:03,440
minutes are distributed. But it is a tough balancing act

874
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,000
to prioritize development when you're looking to contend for a title.

875
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,920
And then they threw this mega trade basically during training camp. Ords,

876
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,400
wasn't it not approved until like five or something days

877
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,920
into training camp? However long it took.

878
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like fifty teams ultimately or is there a

879
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,480
bunch of machinations?

880
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,119
Speaker 1: Well? Which is it? Kind of lead you back to

881
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:22,519
what was the thought process throughout all of this, and

882
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:24,760
it made me think, like, okay, it is like you know,

883
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:26,840
did Chris Finch and like the front office like we

884
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,159
need to kind of get and Tim Conley need to

885
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:31,000
get together and like what's the plan here? And it's

886
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:33,559
something to monitor moving forward because you gave up real

887
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,360
stuff and you can say it's a long term game,

888
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,440
but when you're not as good as you wanted to

889
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,639
be in the short term, and then how do you

890
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,760
juggle that? Is he the answer? Do you steer even

891
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,519
further clear of him when you're at full strength? I

892
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,039
just like, as someone who could punish switches in the

893
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,559
half court, he might just be better to do that,

894
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,159
like than a Julius Randall. At this point, he's a

895
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,239
little bit he's more, he's just he's gonna be slower.

896
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,039
He's looking at bully people and like this guy just

897
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:59,119
zip is the word, and then'm going to continue to

898
00:38:59,199 --> 00:38:59,360
use it?

899
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: Well, and who of than Ant is going to just

900
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:03,599
cook his guy and get two feet in the lane

901
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,880
and he make a decision. It's like it doesn't really

902
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,000
happen if it's not him. So Dillingham can do that.

903
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,840
He's just he just got to play. Yet for so

904
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,960
many reasons, he's got to play.

905
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,519
Speaker 1: I went with a c you went with a d plush. Look,

906
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:16,920
it's I don't even know how to great him when

907
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,679
he's being used. I didn't expect him to be used

908
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,800
a bunch. I Meanwhile, I thought Reed Shepherd was going

909
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,559
to be so undeniable on a deeper team that he

910
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:24,360
would play. But I kind of thought they were going

911
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,519
to run into this issue despite especially post trade, I

912
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,639
was like, Okay, well, what's gonna happen here? I had

913
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,119
thought that he would just have the inside track before

914
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:35,360
that trade on Oh, he'll have to play somewhat regularly.

915
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,920
But it felt like between Dante Divinceanzo and Julius Tradell Oh,

916
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,159
it was going to be a struggle to get the courts.

917
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,639
This has about been as I expected. If you're looking

918
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,760
specifically like his role combined with the minutes he's played,

919
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,079
it's probably still been as expected. Some of the issues

920
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:49,840
are the issues would be concerned about it even if

921
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:50,639
he had a larger role.

922
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he was gonna play a lot. I

923
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,519
thought he was going to have a major role. It's

924
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:57,320
I mean, I would say this feels unfairly low to

925
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,840
give him a D plus, but I will say he

926
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,039
he's got about as much room to bump that great

927
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:04,559
up as anyone we've talked about, just because, like the

928
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:06,760
numbers are good when he does play like he can

929
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,559
be a productive offensive player. I just kind of holding

930
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,719
it against him that he didn't just he did. He

931
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,920
didn't make himself undeniable, you know, and he came in

932
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:18,599
as as an asset that like you would assume would

933
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,280
have a big role and just hasn't. So as that changes,

934
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,000
I think this grade will come up next.

935
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: Up we have mister Jared McCain. This was also maybe

936
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,599
this was the easiest grade I gave out between him

937
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,960
and just no suspense.

938
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an A plus like other than connect, like,

939
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:39,320
who are you even just from a productivity standpoint, not

940
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,920
saying Jared McCain or connect has the highest ceiling in

941
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,280
this draft or they'll be, you know, regarded as one

942
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,719
of the five best guys in the class. But for

943
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,800
what he's done so far, it's like what again, Like

944
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,519
what's the what's the Devil's advocate case against him? It

945
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:54,960
took him too long to get a huge role. That's

946
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,280
on the Sixers, that's not on him.

947
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just he had can do so

948
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,719
much on the offensive end, Like he can work on

949
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,280
the ball, he could work away from the ball. I

950
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,159
like he The thing that's standing out to me is

951
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,800
we have to wonder can they get minutes with him? Him?

952
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,719
Minutes with him and Tyres Maxie have not gone well

953
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,119
this year minus thirteen point nine net rating, twenty first

954
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,280
percent tile of offense, but the offense in the seventieth

955
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,960
percent tile when he's on the court without embat in Maxi.

956
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,480
And so I'm wondering if, as Jared McCain, not something

957
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:27,039
the Sixers were thinking, but like, okay, has he sort

958
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:28,920
of if they're ever at full strength, Like we have

959
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,519
a staggering pattern now, like we can tether McCain to

960
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:34,199
Paul George in the offense, because Paul George is he's

961
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,760
always been a good secondary guy. But as he's gotten older,

962
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,719
it's been Alright, he's more of like a two five

963
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,000
or like an actual number two rather than he needs

964
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,000
to be the number one, even in some of these

965
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,280
like tertiary units themselves. But you look at Jared McCain's

966
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,119
efficiency forty seven point five percent on catch and shoot threes,

967
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,559
fifty one point six percent on pull up twos. When

968
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,760
he can kind of get from that in between area,

969
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:57,320
he looks really good navigating things and poised going downhill.

970
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,119
I'm curious to see both in the short term and

971
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,880
long term what is this guy as a playmaker, because

972
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,639
you can see it in moments. But it feels like,

973
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,719
particularly with the live dribble, that he has room to

974
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,199
do more of that, and maybe that would make him

975
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,400
more unpredictable to defenses. But this wasn't something like people

976
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,599
were probably talking about him more so as a salary

977
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,320
ballast in a trade this coming season, and oh, he's

978
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,199
a first round pick technically in that vein more than

979
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:25,320
he might actually contribute to the Sixers.

980
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, yeah, I guess I would say

981
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,400
it's a great problem that the Sixers have to start

982
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,000
thinking about, like is is is the Maxi McCain backcourt

983
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,599
too small to start for a contender? It's like, okay,

984
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:40,119
that's what we're talking about with Jared McCain now, after

985
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:42,840
where he was drafted and what expectations were. Now there

986
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,239
were people that were high on him just because in

987
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,800
a draft that didn't have a ton of uh, really

988
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,440
obvious like this is a projectable shooter slash scorer, he

989
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:54,199
did seem like one of those. But the size was

990
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,719
if it's like he's one of the you know, I

991
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,239
really like would you say he's like shooting guard sized

992
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,559
and maybe a little under that Like that's yeah, you

993
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,679
know that. It's that's a tough like archetype. Really, there's

994
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,039
not a lot of success on great teams where that

995
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,840
guy and maybe Donovan Mitchell is someone, but he's got

996
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,280
the length and the athleticism that mcinerally doesn't. It's hard

997
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,000
to find comps that have been successful. That's beside the point,

998
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:18,639
Like he's just made forty of his one hundred three

999
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,440
point attempts, Like that's a lot of shooting for a

1000
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,400
guy that really was not playing a ton. You know,

1001
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,039
he's only started six games. It seems impossible, but like

1002
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,360
he he's just been one of the best, one of

1003
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,119
the two best rookies all year. It's it's just him

1004
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:34,639
or connect it, you know, Yeah, whatever your preferred flavor is.

1005
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,679
I think both of them are more than willing or

1006
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,880
more than deserving of the highest grade we can give.

1007
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,199
Speaker 1: Do you think really quickly, like what is a role?

1008
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,119
Like it's just sort of because the vailability has been

1009
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:47,800
so all over the place, but like, is there a

1010
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,960
path to him continuing to stand out when you have

1011
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,800
him be George and Maxiet, Like can you play well?

1012
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:54,880
Can you play all four of those guys together in

1013
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:55,679
real volume?

1014
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:59,119
Speaker 2: I I mean, I think just his shooting, is you

1015
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:02,000
gotta at least try? I think because you limit him

1016
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:04,000
and you kind of you put a cap on, like

1017
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,079
how productive and helpful he can be If you just

1018
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,159
kind of say you're gonna be more of a spot

1019
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,559
up threat, you know, that's just gonna be what you're doing.

1020
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,960
But you have to try it because I mean, if

1021
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,800
you're just trying to get your best players on the floor,

1022
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,719
presumably when everyone's healthy, Like, isn't he the fourth best player?

1023
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,920
Or has is. At least he's one of their five best,

1024
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,840
so he's got to play. What sucks is with guys

1025
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,320
like him. I always just go to do this with

1026
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,760
Matherin all the time. It's like, ah, he's just he's

1027
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,320
gonna be a good six man, are you know with

1028
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,880
with the the weird combo guard sized guys that are

1029
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:39,639
you know, offense first, that that aren't primary primary shot creators.

1030
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,480
It's like, oh, he's a bench guy. I don't think

1031
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:44,039
it's way too early to say anything definitive about McCain,

1032
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:46,480
but like, if that's the outcome where he just comes

1033
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:49,199
in and is in charge of the offense against reserves,

1034
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,880
like that's still a great result where he was picked.

1035
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,039
Speaker 1: It's just even if he has a pathway too much more, which,

1036
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,199
like he said, it is too early, but it does,

1037
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,960
like projecting forward, I think Maxie, like it does gum

1038
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,360
up the trajectory a little bit. But again, maybe he

1039
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,880
improves defensively because right now it's I mean, he's had

1040
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,639
some pretty bad moments on the defensive. But again he's

1041
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,719
a rookie and he's not especially big. Next rookie mister

1042
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,679
Ryan dunne Hughes. They feel about him? Why do I

1043
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,559
call you Hughes?

1044
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: Right? It last like that before It's like you're mad

1045
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,360
at me? So, uh, had we done this what three

1046
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,599
weeks ago? Uh, the grade would have been better. Come

1047
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:30,679
back to earth as a shooter. Still though, it doesn't

1048
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,079
feel to me like we're in danger of being a

1049
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,000
couple of years down the road and saying, hey, remember

1050
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,199
when Remember wasn't it funny when Ryan done? We thought

1051
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:40,920
he was going to be like a forty percent shooter

1052
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,320
and he's at nineteen percent. Since then, It's like, I

1053
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,239
don't know that he's going to be a plus plus shooter.

1054
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,079
I still am, you know, very much moved by the

1055
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:51,119
growth that he's made from coming out of college. Is

1056
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,039
just like, this guy has got nothing from the perimeter.

1057
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,719
He's down into the low thirties. I think he's thirty

1058
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,760
three percent last time I looked. But still might be

1059
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,239
not might be. Is one of the best defensive players

1060
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,519
in this class. Is capable of guarding multiple positions, can close,

1061
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,039
especially he's gonna hit threes, So I guess he still

1062
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:15,000
has to be regarded as exceeding expectations because the shot

1063
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,960
was really there for a while and still seems like

1064
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,920
it can be an at least like at like a

1065
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:23,480
passable level to keep it's good enough to keep his

1066
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:25,280
defense on the floor, is what I'd say, which is

1067
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,000
which is really like that was not a given when

1068
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:28,760
he was drafted.

1069
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: No, And I think even there are moments where it

1070
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,199
doesn't look like this, but his best moments, like there's

1071
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,519
a rhythm to the way that he is taking threes.

1072
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,199
And so if you can make opponents pay to like,

1073
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:41,440
because there are just gonna be people that even if

1074
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,239
he's shooting and he's not he's sub thirty two percent

1075
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,920
on wide open three, even if he was shooting forty

1076
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,639
percent on wide open threes, teams still aren't gonna care

1077
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,440
about him relative to the other threats on the court

1078
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,239
and other actions that they're gonna be trying to stop.

1079
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,199
But if you're like kind of taking them in rhythm,

1080
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,039
there's still gonna be people that will gamble on it.

1081
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:56,679
In the playoffs, but then he becomes a player where

1082
00:46:56,679 --> 00:46:59,000
it's like, oh, he just nailed like five threes that

1083
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,639
game or something. So I have more hope there. The

1084
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,400
defense has been mostly as advertised, I kind of hope

1085
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,599
that some of the and I think it speaks more

1086
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:09,119
to the Suns as like makeup of the roster. I

1087
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,239
kind of hoped when it was the Done Durant when

1088
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,599
and obviously the Urrant's been banged up, but when it

1089
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,840
was the Done Durant, like that was sort of the

1090
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,440
archetype of your front court, I was hoping those units

1091
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,760
would fare a little bit better than they have thus far.

1092
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,079
But yeah, we're talking about leaning on a rookie. Bradley

1093
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,039
Beal is the only player on this team, which, like,

1094
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,639
kudos to Bradley Beal, He's only a player who defends

1095
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,360
number one options more often than Ryan Done. Right now,

1096
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,599
I'm very curious to see how his role is impacted

1097
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:38,039
when Phoenix is one fully healthy two post trade deadline.

1098
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:40,679
When I assume they'll make like upgrades in the front court,

1099
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,119
I assume we'll see if they actually do. But then

1100
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,159
also just too like we're talking playoffs or if they're

1101
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:48,679
worried about seeding, like what does the closing rotation look like?

1102
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,320
And is there a way for him to wedge his

1103
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,840
way in there? But look, I think there's even just him.

1104
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:54,800
He's not a ball stop er either. I think that

1105
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,599
really helps them on the or I shouldn't they really helped.

1106
00:47:57,679 --> 00:47:59,800
Like that's more of a voted confidence in him. He

1107
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,800
will keep the ball moving on offense even if the

1108
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,239
SHOT's not going down. He at least won't let you

1109
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,840
like he's going to fuck up the spacing that way

1110
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,559
by holding onto the ball too long or trying to

1111
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:11,760
play outside of himself. So I've been mostly impressed with him,

1112
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,159
and I ended up going with a bee, like he's

1113
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:16,760
contributing to a team that like has immediate aspirations.

1114
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm, I'm right there. I give him a

1115
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,239
bee as well. One one thing to just flag real quick.

1116
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,639
So he's played two two hundred and eighty two minutes,

1117
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,519
has attempted six free throws, and the flag we're planting

1118
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,440
is that he's made one. So if you're concerned about

1119
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,639
the shooting, you know, the foul line stuff does tend

1120
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,280
to be a pretty decent predictor of three point accuracy.

1121
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,800
So if you are concerned that that early season shooting

1122
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,719
is really fluky, like that's that's a decent data point,

1123
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,000
tiny sample. But like, also, he's got to shoot more

1124
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:50,800
than six free throws in two hundred and eighty minutes,

1125
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,079
you now opportunity to be on the ball is like

1126
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,159
nil on this team, even if Durant is out, because

1127
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:58,400
you've still got two other high usage guys and Tyas

1128
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,639
Jones is gonna have the ball. But like I think,

1129
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:02,400
if you're gonna play one of the wing positions, you

1130
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,320
and you're not going to be an ace a shooter,

1131
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:08,239
you got to like cut your way or do something

1132
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,000
offensive rebound your way to more than six free throw

1133
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:12,199
attempts in fifteen games.

1134
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: He needs to take a page out of a Kogey

1135
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,119
Zone book and be there for the throw yourself in there,

1136
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,239
Cling Kong, mister Hughes, Donald Cleon, who I look. I've

1137
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,880
had to do a Maya coleplus for him like eighty

1138
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,679
times already. But how do you feel about him?

1139
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,519
Speaker 2: I mean lately? Great? For a minute. I mean part

1140
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:32,320
of this is the is the roster makeup right, because

1141
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,119
there's seventeen other centers, at least two of which the

1142
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,639
Blazers should hopefully trade. But it's taken a little while

1143
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:42,119
for Clinging to play. Now. He's has four of his

1144
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,800
last five games, he's gotten over twenty minutes. He's just

1145
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,440
had like these statistical outbursts. The most recent game against

1146
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,119
the Rockets had nineteen boards. He has at least one

1147
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:54,159
block in every game and at least two in each

1148
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,280
of in each of the last five. He had an

1149
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,760
eight block game against the Wolves, which was a win

1150
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,719
for the Blazers back on November thirteenth. Offensive rebound, Like,

1151
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:06,039
I bet you he's got the most offensive rebounds among rookies,

1152
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,519
even though he sort of was just like not on

1153
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:12,199
the floor as I'm scrambling to look that up. He

1154
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,199
has fifty four offensive boards, that leads all rookies. He's

1155
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,760
played like one hundred fewer minutes than like Eve Me

1156
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,719
c Saar all these other guys, and way fewer than

1157
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,000
guys like Reesa Scha and on down the line. So

1158
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,039
he's been, like I don't know, maybe even a better

1159
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,760
version of what I thought he could be just lately

1160
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,840
now that he's playing. Because those you know, as an

1161
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,960
offensive rebounder and shop blocker, like you're helping on both ends.

1162
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,639
Like that's that's just what it is. Like the mobility

1163
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:42,559
stuff is an issue and all this other thing like

1164
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,320
not going to be a spacer obviously, but like, I

1165
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,679
don't know, I can see it on both ends. And

1166
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,440
to hit he to me more than Edie was a

1167
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,920
question mark because of the size and because of the

1168
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,920
like his game. So he's been really good lately and

1169
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,559
I'm I'm I'm a stock up and I'm buying.

1170
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:01,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, we both b pluses here. I mean, opponents are

1171
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:04,519
shooting fifty percent against him at the rim. You probably

1172
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:06,159
could be a little bit trouble that he's shooting under

1173
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:08,159
sixty percent at the rim himself. So for a big

1174
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,199
that's not ideal. But Portland's offense is just we talk

1175
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,800
about having like a weird hierarchy in Houston, like Portland

1176
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,519
has like a weird hierarchy now and terrible spacing and

1177
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,480
just not great on that side of the floor anyway.

1178
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:22,199
But he is averaging, like I think one point. Let's why.

1179
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:23,760
I take he's at one point twenty five points per

1180
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,239
possession as the pick and roll finisher and like to

1181
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,440
do that within Portland spacing. I would he's at one

1182
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,320
point three sixth grant I was wrong. That's a eighty

1183
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,039
nine percent tile. So that's like we really talking about

1184
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:35,920
a possession and a half a game. But that's something

1185
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,679
to cling to. I still would. I'd like to see

1186
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:41,239
what he's gonna wind up being on offense. And I

1187
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,039
think it's probably gonna require do they have the primary

1188
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,000
playmaker of the future who could work with him the best,

1189
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,360
or do they need better spacing is there? Does he

1190
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,840
have any range? He's at seventy three percent roughly from

1191
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,360
the foul line. He's three of nine from three, so

1192
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,719
like he's dabbled in it a little bit. I'm most

1193
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,199
curious about him on the offensive n but I maintained

1194
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,840
coming into the reft that he wasn't gonna be able

1195
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,559
to make an impact defensively. I mean, I was more

1196
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:06,239
confident and just Zachi Edy being massive in the ground

1197
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,239
he could cover, and just donminic Quingen he put me

1198
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,280
wrong in his summer league. I was already walking back

1199
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,880
everything I said. So he's been a he's been a

1200
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,079
great ad. And it's funny that I don't think this

1201
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,400
has been necessarily like the Portland media or like the

1202
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,400
people who cover follow team, but now the nationally is

1203
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,559
like man like Portland would prefer to trade DeAndre Ayton

1204
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:25,880
rather than move Robert Williams a third or Klingon And

1205
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,679
it's well, no shit, like look at look at it

1206
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,599
like that was the That was the sentiment probably leading

1207
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:32,400
out of draft night.

1208
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:35,159
Speaker 2: They got him. Yeah, no, that's that's that's right. He

1209
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,280
makes what does he make three x what Robert Williams

1210
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,280
makes or something like that. Of course you'd rather move him.

1211
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: We love playing around these parts. Now we also love Grant.

1212
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,280
Oh yeah, Stephan Castle, this is this is your guy.

1213
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: I just I have just decided he's my guy among

1214
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,920
rookies at least, so again, like another guy, how many

1215
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,039
times were we gonna say it? This a guy that

1216
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:57,440
came in with like shooting and offensive questions, most of

1217
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,639
which have not been answered. He's under forty percent from

1218
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:03,199
the field under thirty percent from three. He has like

1219
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,960
as he's gotten a bigger role ironically the like and

1220
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,360
had to do more and play more, the shooting percentage

1221
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,000
will come up thirty three percent from three. As a starter,

1222
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:14,880
he started ten of the seventeen games he's played, so

1223
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,519
I guess that's encouraging his usage and just like I

1224
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:20,440
don't know, importance in the offense, as that has gone up,

1225
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,000
he's become more efficient. For again, he's another just eye

1226
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:27,719
test guy on both ends. Defensively, he's like a menace

1227
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,280
on the ball against guards. He's really really tough, moves

1228
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,880
incredibly well good size, strong, athletics, super quick, and then

1229
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:39,960
on the ball on offense, he has a burst that

1230
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,280
is like it's one of those like you know when

1231
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,079
you see it kind of things, like he really is

1232
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:47,480
someone I think that is gonna athletically overwhelm. And we've

1233
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,320
seen the highlight dunks, but I'm talking about like the

1234
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,760
subtler like shift into fifth gear from like whoa, Like

1235
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,000
it's you know, quick blink and he's past his guy

1236
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:58,840
or has it created an advantage like that stuff jumps

1237
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,840
off the screen when you watch tape of him. So

1238
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,679
I get it. The shooting is gonna be a question.

1239
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,000
We knew that. But just as an overall like potential

1240
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,320
high impact guy, like who's going to be an all

1241
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,079
star out of this class? I think Castle is like

1242
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,159
very very close to the top of that list for me,

1243
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:17,400
different than a Connector and McCain because the production hasn't

1244
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,119
been there, but like just projecting forward, I don't know

1245
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:22,639
if there's someone I'd rather have than him.

1246
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been interesting and the shooting is still concerned.

1247
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,280
He's at sub forty effective. He'll go percentage on pull

1248
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,880
up jumpers, but they've had him spacing way out beyond

1249
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,760
the three point line all season, and I initially thought

1250
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,320
he should come in, and it's like they were falling

1251
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,760
at a pre high clip. There was like a five

1252
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,599
or seven game span and they've kind of pulled back

1253
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:42,719
now off of that. But if he's gonna be comfortable

1254
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,559
taking them that far, as people pointed out to me,

1255
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:47,679
like if his jumper is gonna take a little bit

1256
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,159
while to load, having him out that far could be

1257
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:52,239
a benefit because then defense is they're gonna have to

1258
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,960
close out further on him. They're not gonna stay And

1259
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,480
if you're going to tell yourself to Stefan Cassele twenty

1260
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:58,119
eight feet from the basket, that's going to open up

1261
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:01,400
things for everybody else. The passing's been I know he

1262
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,440
can make some I mean shocker. He's a rookie who

1263
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,760
love the ball in his hands. At points like he's

1264
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,679
going to make mistakes with the ball. He's going to

1265
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,199
make bad pass, he's going to turn it over, and

1266
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,119
he has on his drives he's turned over. But I've

1267
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,079
also been I wasn't sure if this guy profiled is

1268
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,559
like a floor general type, and I think having him

1269
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:19,440
learn from Chris Paul is gonna end up being huge

1270
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,519
for them, so you kind of pair the offensive flickers

1271
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,079
and flashes. You mentioned the rim pressure already on offense,

1272
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:26,800
and like he's able to get to the basket because

1273
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,119
of using his speed and even coordination on the ball.

1274
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:31,280
On a Spurs team, again, there are some lineups that

1275
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,159
are spacing the floor quite well, but like he's been

1276
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,440
in some pretty tight traffic jams in the games and

1277
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,960
possessions that I've watched. I'm way higher on him that

1278
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:41,880
I was like. I wasn't. I didn't think that the

1279
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,639
Spurs made a mistake, but when they picked him and

1280
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,400
you trade away the number eight pick, I was just

1281
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,280
sort of like, this felt unspectacular. But now I kind

1282
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,079
of see the vision more. I do think though the

1283
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,920
jumper is gonna be the swing development for him, especially

1284
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,679
if you want to pair him with Wemby long term.

1285
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: I think like he he's someone that if if defenses

1286
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:06,599
have to guard him, like honestly, because you know, it

1287
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,000
changes so much because he is so quick downhill to

1288
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:11,840
where it's like it's a little bit like the I

1289
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,000
think part of the reason Anthony Edwards is chucking a

1290
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:16,679
bunch of threes among others is like he knows that

1291
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,480
if guys have to come out on him and are

1292
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,119
really on their toes leaning forward to contest threes, like

1293
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,480
he's gonna overwhelm them athletically. And I think Castle Edwards

1294
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:27,000
is like maybe in a class by himself explosive wise,

1295
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:29,599
but like Castle can benefit the same way, it'd be

1296
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:31,880
different than like, so if Resiche is a forty percent

1297
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,159
three point shooter, I don't know how much that really

1298
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,559
changes about the type of player we think he's gonna be,

1299
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,719
because like he was thought to be, like, oh, he'll

1300
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,079
be fine, He's gonna be a good spacer if Castle

1301
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:44,679
can really shoot it at all and make defenders come

1302
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,159
out and like have to account for him off the

1303
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,400
ball or like close out hard like it's it's Curtains

1304
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,159
because he gets downhill and he'll make a good decision

1305
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,320
and or just dunk on the whole team. So shooting

1306
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,000
you're dead right is like is the swing skill for him,

1307
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:01,079
maybe more so than any other guy we've talked about.

1308
00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if this is someone who can hit

1309
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,119
pull up made rangers or even just like set threes

1310
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,000
you already mentioned it, like the ceiling is there's an

1311
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:13,960
all star there. So I went as un a would

1312
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,079
you is there a Kate like what would be the

1313
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,159
devil's advocate to go lower here?

1314
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,239
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're just not convinced that the maybe

1315
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:23,360
what I'm pricing in is I think the shot is

1316
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,159
going to get better, just as evidence by it's improved

1317
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:28,159
a little bit as the role has increased. Like I said,

1318
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,239
I don't know, you could give all the normal rookie knocks,

1319
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,880
but but I don't know, it's just the shooting. Like

1320
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,360
you'd say, well, statistically he's been a terrible offensive player

1321
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,920
like which is just true. But that's that's not going

1322
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,880
to swing me from from the rest of the stuff

1323
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,360
that I've seen.

1324
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: We have next up again with one of the Wizards.

1325
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,639
As many rookies, which did you? Someone post in our

1326
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:49,360
discord the graphic where or said that like the NBA

1327
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,320
account retweeted a tweet that had Washington rookies. I think

1328
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,199
it was bilacool, ball Bali and Keishaw, George Well one of.

1329
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: Those guys is I guess I'm guilty of lumping all

1330
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,679
four of those guys together though that's how I think

1331
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:06,320
of the Wizards. It's those four guys and like everybody else.

1332
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,599
Speaker 1: And he brought it up when we did our Wizards

1333
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:11,519
deep dive the other week. Was it like that? It

1334
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,000
wasn't the core four was something else? You you said it?

1335
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:14,920
You already forgot it?

1336
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:16,599
Speaker 2: Did I call it the core four?

1337
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that was it?

1338
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:21,079
Speaker 2: I mean they are so you know what, that's what

1339
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:23,320
the Wizard broadcast called it. When I one of the

1340
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,280
games early in the season, they called him the core four.

1341
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:27,000
Like all right, I guess we got a core four?

1342
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:29,639
Speaker 1: What we begin with bub Carrington?

1343
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: So he well, he's been the most productive offensive rookie

1344
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:38,079
of the group of the of their four of their

1345
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:40,320
three and a half rookies. I guess if we're gonna

1346
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,480
call cool Bally half a rookie, he's just like already

1347
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,440
pretty clearly has like good craft. Like really, now you

1348
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:50,360
can start to question, like, well, how useful is it

1349
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,119
if he's able to kind of like worm his way

1350
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:54,039
into the lane and pin his guy on his back

1351
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:56,039
and get a pull up to or or you know,

1352
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,079
throw a lob to the guy in the dunker spot.

1353
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:01,440
That's even better. If he's hitting his threes, which he

1354
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:04,400
basically is like well enough to be you know, honored

1355
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,440
as a three point threat. He just has good feel,

1356
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,840
good pick and roll ball handler, like got over fifty

1357
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,000
assists and twenty made threes. Not a lot of rookies

1358
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:13,880
doing that. He's getting over a steal a game. There's

1359
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,360
some two way potential there, good size, like he just

1360
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,440
he feels like a potential like long term starting point

1361
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,280
guard in the NBA, which is not always easy to

1362
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,199
see this early. Now the Grand Malcolm Brogman Showcase is

1363
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,800
upon us, so he's gone to the bench, unfortunately for

1364
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,679
the Wizards because you know, priorities. But I think he's

1365
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,960
he looks like a starter to me, just just because

1366
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,559
of the feel and the craft with the ball. I

1367
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:41,679
think he's just like that stuff doesn't go away. I

1368
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:43,400
think if you have that early, that's just going to

1369
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,559
be part of your whole makeup.

1370
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: One of the things we flagged is a good thing

1371
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,840
was the pull up two point percentage. It's still at

1372
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,480
like fifty one point eight percent and he's taking almost

1373
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,400
two attempts from there per game. I like it, Like

1374
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,800
you said, the poise, the feel. He's got good size

1375
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,320
for both as a passer and then also just as

1376
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,920
like on the defense. This event is not someone who's

1377
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,559
going to get targeted overly, so one of the things

1378
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:05,480
I would like to see. And he's actually been like

1379
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:07,199
as a pick and roll score, I think he's in

1380
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:09,920
the eighty first percentile of efficiency. I think he can

1381
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,840
stand to be a little bit more aggressive looking for

1382
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,199
his own shot at points that he can be too deferential,

1383
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,000
I feel like when he's getting downhill, but like as

1384
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:18,960
a rookie who's trying to probably prove that he can

1385
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:22,800
floor generalize the offense and add coherence to it. He's

1386
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,199
been fun and I think we've been on the fence,

1387
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:27,760
like on both sides of the Denny Avia trade, like

1388
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,760
gone back and forth a zillion times and probably will

1389
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,199
continue to. But when you watch him play, I think

1390
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:34,599
you start to under like, if you're just comparing the

1391
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:37,239
first parts of the season, there's been bright spots in Portland,

1392
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,400
don't get me wrong, and Denny's been great defensively for them,

1393
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,239
but like you kind of understand what the Wizards were

1394
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:42,760
thinking more than the Blazers at this point.

1395
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,119
Speaker 2: I think, oh, yeah, it's way easier from the Wizard's

1396
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:48,239
side just to get a first round or in another

1397
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,840
first round asset, and Carrington is probably I don't know

1398
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,840
these yeah, I guess he probably has outplayed Avdia just

1399
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,840
because Obvidia has shot it so poorly. I got a

1400
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:58,719
A minus. I think I'm really encouraged. He's super low usage,

1401
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,360
as you pointed out, like you'd like to see him

1402
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,280
be a little more aggressive. That's fine, we can fix that.

1403
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,199
Like that's just the make the offensive package feels real

1404
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,960
enough that I'm I'm not concerned he's gonna be a

1405
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,320
fifteen percent usage guy going forward, He's gonna do more.

1406
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,239
Speaker 1: I would be plus because I'm a hater.

1407
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,079
Speaker 2: So said.

1408
01:01:16,159 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna be really good though, Like there's the redraft

1409
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:21,400
of this class and we'll probably have to do one

1410
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:23,639
like two weeks from now or something. Who knows, but

1411
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:29,000
it's gonna be fascinating, Keyshawn George. Also, we're just gonna

1412
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,440
claim ownership of the Wizard's Corps at this point. I

1413
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,360
feel like nationally we've been infatuated with their core more

1414
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,000
so than the consensus. Right, we can take ownership. Yeah,

1415
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:39,480
allowed to do that.

1416
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: The Kolabali thing last year, just like couldn't get enough

1417
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:43,239
of them.

1418
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: I forgot to include Koli Bali in these rookie grades.

1419
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:51,559
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, guys, So George Is. I mean, we've obviously

1420
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:54,480
not gotten to Sorr yet, that's the higher profile one.

1421
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:59,719
But George uh Is, I don't know, He's really interesting

1422
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:03,519
because cause you shouldn't be able to get this type

1423
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:06,360
of guy where they got him, which is to say

1424
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,280
now again, like almost everybody here, the numbers are bad,

1425
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,880
like just inefficient, thirty five percent from the field, twenty

1426
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,000
eight from three doesn't get to the line a ton,

1427
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,079
But he's playing twenty seven minutes a game. He's had

1428
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:23,159
these stretches where he can hit you know, this may

1429
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:25,159
have only happened once or twice, but multiple threes in

1430
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:27,119
a row, and they look good and he's confident, and

1431
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,199
it's It just creates a version of the Wizards that

1432
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,280
otherwise does not exist. Big wing slash, combo forward size

1433
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:38,599
competes like hell defensively could just theoretically be like a

1434
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:41,840
scalable three and D guy or maybe more than that.

1435
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,039
So again, like this is this is this is the

1436
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:48,400
one of the because Carrington was kind of a known

1437
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,719
commodity star, we had a rough idea of what he

1438
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,519
would be. This is like the found money player, right,

1439
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:55,519
like this is this is the one where oh man,

1440
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:57,599
they got a third rookie in here that might actually

1441
01:02:57,639 --> 01:03:00,159
be a starter long term. So I guess in a

1442
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:03,800
way most impressed by George, even if that has lots

1443
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,679
to do with like where we set our expectations to

1444
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,079
begin with.

1445
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:08,639
Speaker 1: Yeah he is, you know you mentioned can he is?

1446
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:10,960
He just sort of a plug and place prospect when

1447
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,800
he wind up doing more. I feel like this is

1448
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,800
someone who wind up doing more. Grant he's fifth, and

1449
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,960
this is just leading into what I've probably been most

1450
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:23,239
surprised about. We talked about feel with bub He's George's

1451
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,159
fifth in assists off drives among rookies, and there's just

1452
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,039
been there's a better passer there than I thought. I

1453
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,280
think they've done a good job of Okay, he looks

1454
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,800
the archetype of someone who maybe once he gets stronger,

1455
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,400
can do more defensively. But they they haven't tried to

1456
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,159
over tax him on that end. Well, I mean one

1457
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:41,880
they have fellow rookie blah Koolabali just to do that

1458
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:44,639
and Reek Havoc on the defensive end. So I like

1459
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,000
kind of the way they're using him to You would

1460
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:49,079
like to see the offensive efficiency as a scorer though,

1461
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,840
tick up and I think maybe as the Wizards as

1462
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,559
a team get a little bit better, that'll be easier

1463
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:56,000
for him. But this is someone where I think there's

1464
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,000
like real Yeah, I'd like to see him shoot more

1465
01:03:58,079 --> 01:03:59,599
than like twenty percent or whatever it is on his

1466
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:03,519
catching threes. I think he'll get there, but there might

1467
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:05,599
just be more on ball work to plump from him.

1468
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:07,840
And I actually do think though, while the passings impressed

1469
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,159
me the most, I don't know what he profiles as

1470
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:11,039
defensively though.

1471
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to say I wanted to get you

1472
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,159
brought a stat I want to mention mine. He's got

1473
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:19,800
forty four assists this year. Now, he's played a fair amount,

1474
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,719
but every one of there are three point guards among

1475
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,079
rookies ahead of him and Jared McCain so just and

1476
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,599
he's like a big wing. So to get any kind

1477
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:29,519
of facilitation like that out of him is a huge bonus.

1478
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,360
I mean, we've probably spent too long on him and

1479
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:34,480
at the expense of SAR, But I don't know, I'm

1480
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:38,000
I'm I'm mostly encouraged by him. I think George is

1481
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:38,599
going to be a player.

1482
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: What do we go with b pluses across the board

1483
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,400
for for Keishan George.

1484
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: I think that's right. I can't remember. It is either

1485
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:44,920
a beer B plus for me.

1486
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:48,559
Speaker 1: We are on too, mister Alex Saar, who is the

1487
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,679
main attraction for the for the Washington Wizards, Grant, how

1488
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:52,480
do you feeling about him?

1489
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,599
Speaker 2: I feel semi encouraged. Defensively, I can see the vision

1490
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:02,119
of he's pretty mobile. He he's been a solid shop blocker.

1491
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:05,800
Klingon's the only rookie that's got more swats than him rebounds. Okay,

1492
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:09,039
I just offensively, I don't know what this guy's gonna be,

1493
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,039
which is kinda well, I don't know. Maybe that's not

1494
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:13,760
fair to say that was the draft profile, but it

1495
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,039
was really more like what position can he play? And

1496
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:17,400
I had to do with well, is he gonna be

1497
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,519
a spacer? Is he gonna be someone who attacks off

1498
01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:22,519
the dribble? Is this like a yawnis model? Like? Who

1499
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:25,880
is this guy? Offensively, I don't feel like we're any

1500
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,639
closer to knowing that, but I do think like whatever

1501
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:30,960
comps I might throw out there offensively for him are

1502
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,719
quite a bit below some of the names that had

1503
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,480
been mentioned, so you know, it's kind of a split thing. Defensively,

1504
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:40,119
I get it, like I think he's gonna be fine.

1505
01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:43,639
He could even be very good offensively, the finishing inside,

1506
01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:45,639
he gets knocked off his spot a lot. The three

1507
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:48,039
point shot, I don't trust. I don't know what he

1508
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:50,480
is offensively, So it's kind of down the middle for me.

1509
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you right there he's been And it's

1510
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:55,639
funny because, like you wonder if, okay, if he's more

1511
01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:57,599
physical on offense, like that would be the pathway for

1512
01:05:57,719 --> 01:05:59,800
him to do maybe more of the traditional big man stuff. There.

1513
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:03,760
He's been more physical than I would have expected defensively,

1514
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:06,519
and so that's like, I guess that booms him like

1515
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:08,480
that gives him sort of a nudge up there. He's

1516
01:06:08,519 --> 01:06:11,360
contesting over forty seven percent of all shots at the

1517
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,119
basketball he's on the court. I think that's a really

1518
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:17,119
good number for a rookie he has had, Like do

1519
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:19,079
you think so when you dig into the offense though,

1520
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:21,039
little bit, because defensively, I think he's just gonna be fine.

1521
01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:22,800
Like there's someone who's not gonna get hung out to

1522
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,840
dry on the perimeter. I think he's shown that, all right,

1523
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,760
this isn't even his strongest final form yet, and this

1524
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,440
is someone who can at least be a reasonable to

1525
01:06:29,559 --> 01:06:33,360
really good rint protector and break up stuff. Excuse me

1526
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,599
on the back line, do you think like they're not

1527
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,920
having him do enough big man stuff? Like are they

1528
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,800
too reliant on all right, let's have him like he's

1529
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,320
taking mid rangers, he's taking three pointers. He's taken over

1530
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,000
fifty threes from above the break and made only eight

1531
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:50,280
of them. Only twenty percent of his offensive possessions are

1532
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,960
coming as the pick and roll roll man. And again

1533
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:56,639
he's grant every point three points per possession in those situations.

1534
01:06:56,679 --> 01:06:58,679
So that's that's really bad for anyone who doesn't know that.

1535
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,960
But would they be fit from Hey, let's maybe use

1536
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:04,960
him more like a big man. I just I mean

1537
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,000
a traditional or conventional big man type.

1538
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, like under a quarter of his shots come inside

1539
01:07:09,719 --> 01:07:11,679
three feet and a lot of that is forty plus

1540
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,840
percent come from deep and but there's just too many

1541
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,360
of the in between things. And I mean, yeah, it

1542
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,199
would be nice if, if, if there were evidence to

1543
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,639
suggest this guy makes more sense as like a high

1544
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:26,079
volume roll guy. Let's throw lobs up to him. That's

1545
01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:29,480
the other thing is his athleticism is not like, you know,

1546
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,760
not jaw dropping, Like he's not rising over everybody to

1547
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,880
catch lobs. He's and same thing with like finishing inside.

1548
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,320
He's not coming up and finishing over the top of players.

1549
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,760
So I think, like, what he what they're having him

1550
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,639
do on offense, I think is kind of just playing

1551
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:48,039
to relatively speaking, his strengths. So I cause, I just

1552
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:51,239
I think the theory of him that is most like

1553
01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:55,320
plausible and I guess optimistic is he is just like

1554
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,719
a multiposition defensive rebounds. Okay, I just offensively, I don't

1555
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,480
know this guy's gonna be, which is kinda well, I

1556
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,039
don't know. Maybe that's not fair to say that was

1557
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:06,960
a draft profile, but it was. It was really more

1558
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,679
like what position can he play? And I had to

1559
01:08:08,719 --> 01:08:10,360
do with, well, is he gonna be a spacer? Is

1560
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,360
he gonna be someone who attacks off the dribble? Is

1561
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,920
this like a Yannis model? Like? Who is this guy? Offensively?

1562
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,039
I don't feel like we're any closer to knowing that,

1563
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:21,800
but I do think like whatever comps I might throw

1564
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,960
out there offensively for him are quite a bit below

1565
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,520
some of the names that had been mentioned, so you know,

1566
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,159
it's kind of a split thing. Defensively, I get it,

1567
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:32,920
like I think he's gonna be fine. He could even

1568
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,600
be very good offensively, the finishing inside. He gets knocked

1569
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,479
off his spot a lot. The three point shot, I

1570
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,239
don't trust. I don't know what he is offensively, So

1571
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:42,760
it's kind of down the middle for me.

1572
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you right there he's been And it's

1573
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,920
funny because, like you wonder if, okay, if he's more

1574
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,920
physical on offense, like that would be the pathway for

1575
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,079
him to do maybe more of the traditional big man stuff. There.

1576
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,039
He's been more physical than I would have expected defensively,

1577
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,800
and so that's like, I guess that booms him like

1578
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,760
that gives him sort of a nudge up there. He's

1579
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,640
contesting over forty seven percent of all shots at the

1580
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,399
basketball he's on the court. I think that's a really

1581
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:09,399
good number for a rookie he has had, Like do

1582
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,319
you think so when you dig into the offense though,

1583
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,000
a little bit, because defensively, I think he's just gonna

1584
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,880
be fine. Like there's someone who's not gonna get hunting

1585
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,600
out to dry on the perimeter. I think he's shown that,

1586
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,760
all right, this isn't even his strongest final form yet,

1587
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,119
and this is someone who can at least be a

1588
01:09:21,159 --> 01:09:25,119
reasonable to really good rim protector and break up stuff.

1589
01:09:25,159 --> 01:09:28,399
Excuse me on the back line, do you think like

1590
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,840
they're not having him do enough big man stuff? Like

1591
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,720
are they too reliant on all right, let's have him

1592
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,199
like he's taking mid rangers, he's taking three pointers. He's

1593
01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:38,880
taking over fifty threes from above the break and made

1594
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,000
only eight of them. Only twenty percent of his offensive

1595
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,800
possessions are coming as the pick and roll roll man.

1596
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,800
And again he's granted every point three points per possession

1597
01:09:48,119 --> 01:09:50,399
in those situations. That's that's really bad for anyone who

1598
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:53,760
doesn't know that. But would they benefit from Hey, let's

1599
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,119
maybe use him more like a big man. I just

1600
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,239
I mean a traditional or conventional big man type.

1601
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, under a quarter of his shots come inside three

1602
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:04,279
feet and a lot of that is forty plus percent

1603
01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:06,239
come from deep and but there's just too many of

1604
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:09,880
the in between things. And I mean, yeah, it would

1605
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,479
be nice if if there were evidence to suggest this

1606
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,720
guy makes more sense as like a high volume roll guy.

1607
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,760
Let's throw lobs up to him. That's the other thing

1608
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:23,079
is his athleticism is not like, you know, not jaw dropping,

1609
01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:26,239
Like he's not rising over everybody to catch lobs. He's

1610
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,720
and same thing with like finishing inside, He's not coming

1611
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,399
up and finishing over the top of players. So I think,

1612
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,640
like what he what they're having him do on offense,

1613
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,760
I think is kind of just playing to relatively speaking,

1614
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,159
his strengths. So I cause I just I think the

1615
01:10:41,279 --> 01:10:45,479
theory of him that is most like plausible and I

1616
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,399
guess optimistic is he is just like a multiposition defensive

1617
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,359
weapon like that can also defend the rim, and on

1618
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:57,319
offense he's like a spacer down the line that maybe

1619
01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:59,760
can attack off the dribble. I'm not seeing the in

1620
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,960
your game, like the feel, the physicality, like I'm not

1621
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:04,920
seeing that yet, So it would be nice, but I

1622
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,199
so far it's hard for me to imagine what that

1623
01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:09,960
would look like if it were to ever show up.

1624
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,760
So I m as I give him a C, you're

1625
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,439
a C plus. I think we're kind of of the

1626
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,960
same mind that it's like if we could grate his

1627
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:19,319
defensive rookie season, it's like B plus a minus and

1628
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,319
the other end is probably close to a half.

1629
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: It's almost wondering even if he gets to a point

1630
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,159
where he's either or rather than thinking he's one of

1631
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:28,279
those guys that can serve the dual role of oh,

1632
01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:30,319
he's gonna set screens, he can catch the ball, make

1633
01:11:30,359 --> 01:11:32,560
decisions with it, roll, or even if he's just the

1634
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,239
pick and pop option, if he has to commit to

1635
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:36,960
a lane and ends up hitting in one of those

1636
01:11:37,039 --> 01:11:39,439
rather than having to straddle both lines, that ends up

1637
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,239
being a big deal for him. Based off again, the

1638
01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:44,279
defensive indicators from him as a rookie on to the

1639
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,840
Utah Jazz have two names for them. This one hurts.

1640
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,039
I feel like I should be absobed from talking about it.

1641
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,479
Cody Williams grant, I.

1642
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 2: Mean not a lot to you want to? Can I

1643
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,720
do my Cody Williams impression? You ready? Yeah? I disappeared.

1644
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: No, that's so mean.

1645
01:12:02,079 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 2: That's like, I mean what okay? I want to get

1646
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,600
his usage rate, right, I think it's in the like,

1647
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:13,840
I know it's like underfit eleven point four percent usage rate?

1648
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:16,560
Speaker 1: Hey, well, could we just at least know what that

1649
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,199
that's higher than eleven point three?

1650
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:19,199
Speaker 2: It is? It is.

1651
01:12:19,359 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: It is true.

1652
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: If there's a rookie out there with an eleven point

1653
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,640
three percent usage rate, you disappear. So he just like

1654
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:28,319
he didn't shoot in his nineteen minute debut as a

1655
01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:31,239
rookie way back in October, and that was a sign

1656
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:33,960
in hindsight, like he just there are long, long stretches

1657
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,319
of jazz games where it's he's just not doing anything,

1658
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,359
not scoring, not looking to score, not making impact plays

1659
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,640
on either end. So like this was the rap on

1660
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:49,079
him a little bit, I think, and like it just

1661
01:12:49,159 --> 01:12:52,479
has carried over. So it's a weird thing to criticize

1662
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,840
because it's like, well, you know, he's just he's a rookie.

1663
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,000
He's trying to find his way. He's not he's trying

1664
01:12:58,079 --> 01:13:00,439
not to play outside himself. But this is like too

1665
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,840
far in that direction to where it's like you worry that,

1666
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,159
like is he ever going to be someone that is

1667
01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:10,880
a reasonable volume score that impacts the game? Like he's

1668
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,760
still he looks like a player, he's got a good frame,

1669
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,359
like he's lean, he moves well, like all the stuff

1670
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:17,880
that was true before he was drafted. It's just like

1671
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,840
he just isn't like impacting the game. So I don't

1672
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,680
know what to do with that. Like it's not like

1673
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,439
he's been terrible. He's like not actively hurting anybody, although

1674
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,479
like some of the advanced metrics would say he has

1675
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,000
been he's just not doing anything.

1676
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: It's and I think the words you're looking for is

1677
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,640
just he's two words is too passive. And that's what's

1678
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,960
disappointing to me is that I think this was people

1679
01:13:41,039 --> 01:13:43,720
that they had earmarked this as he was coming out

1680
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,439
of the draft, But when I watched him, I was like, oh,

1681
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,439
there's a fluidity on the ball. We've seen some aggressive

1682
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,479
moments from him mostly before this season. It's this can work.

1683
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,479
But like Grant, he's passing on more of his drives

1684
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,239
than are ending in like a shot attempt or free throw.

1685
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,000
And that's just it be admirable if all those passes

1686
01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:05,279
were turning into assists. They're not. And like he's made

1687
01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:08,119
like he's made some nice passes, but I really thought

1688
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,880
that he would be both in powered and have the

1689
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,640
ability to be more aggressive as an offensive player. I

1690
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,640
think defensively as a rookie, he's not even close to

1691
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,399
the best defensive rookie. I want to make that clear.

1692
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,720
But like they've rolled him out against some tougher assignments,

1693
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,760
like he does shoulder like a fairly sizable workload relative

1694
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,479
to other rookies. This has been an unspectacular debut campaign

1695
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,600
for him and if he doesn't. And Tony Jones the

1696
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,479
Athletics said this to me when we were doing the

1697
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,520
Utah Jazz look Ahead, and it's it's almost annoying how

1698
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,840
much it rings struggle of Tony. To be clear, I'm

1699
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,199
annoyed at how right he is this late end of

1700
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:41,960
the season to where it's like Cody Williams needs to

1701
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:44,439
realize that he's good at basketball, and that feels like

1702
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,439
an oversimplification, and it's just the deference. He's overly deferential.

1703
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,239
It's just too passive, and it makes you feel that

1704
01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:52,760
I don't think I don't necessarily consider him a low

1705
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,119
energy guy, but with the amount of vanishing acts, it

1706
01:14:56,199 --> 01:14:58,079
feels like he's turned it on offense where you don't

1707
01:14:58,079 --> 01:14:59,840
feel him or with someone who doesn't seem to trust

1708
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:03,399
his own like scoring ability, or I think people can

1709
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,199
obviously conflate that with well, is there a lack of aggression?

1710
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:09,159
So we need to see him just be the word

1711
01:15:09,239 --> 01:15:12,079
is can he be more aggressive? Overall? I grated this

1712
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:13,960
pretty hard. I went with a D minus because I

1713
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,079
picked him to finish Top three and Rookie of the Year,

1714
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:18,720
and so my expectations for Cody Williams are and will

1715
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,359
remain high. But I am. I guess I'm distraught.

1716
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. I gave him a D and I

1717
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,000
would just say that all of the qualities that recommended

1718
01:15:28,039 --> 01:15:30,399
him highly as a draft prospect are still there. So

1719
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,399
it's just like whatever this is, whether it's like a

1720
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,840
confidence issue or just like you said, he's just passive,

1721
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,840
get past that, and all the tools and all the

1722
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,000
projective like all that stuff is still there, right, Like

1723
01:15:42,119 --> 01:15:45,640
it's just it's just that this first month has been really,

1724
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:46,520
really tough.

1725
01:15:47,159 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 1: I favorite, just just get past it. That's what you

1726
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,520
can get over it. That's your fastue. I'm here for it.

1727
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,960
We're onto his teammate, Kyle Philipowski. I feel about him, Grant.

1728
01:15:58,119 --> 01:16:01,000
I mean, he's got geral starts, been notable enough to

1729
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,600
be included in this exercise.

1730
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:04,279
Speaker 2: Right he made the exercise. Well, I mean we're gonna

1731
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:06,520
do Cody Williams. We've got to just not totally dump

1732
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,119
on the jazz. He's got just been more balanced contributor

1733
01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:11,119
than Williams that or you know a lot of other rookies.

1734
01:16:12,399 --> 01:16:14,800
He had a double digit points in three of the

1735
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,000
last four game, three of his four games between November

1736
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,199
twelfth and seventeenth. He can do a little bit of everything.

1737
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:23,399
He's got a six assist game, getting a couple of steals,

1738
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,840
just like a guy that you know, when when he

1739
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,720
went in the second granted the first pick of the

1740
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,279
second round, I think he was thirty first, everybody was

1741
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:34,359
kind of like, that's that's a good value there, because

1742
01:16:34,359 --> 01:16:37,000
he is like a you know, a multi skilled contributor

1743
01:16:37,119 --> 01:16:39,600
with good size. He's and just like is going to

1744
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,640
be able to contribute right away, and like has just

1745
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,640
kind of rounded into a role where he's doing more

1746
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,279
and making a bigger impact than certainly Williams and Isaiah Collier,

1747
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:52,359
who's another jazz rookie we're not really going to talk about,

1748
01:16:52,399 --> 01:16:54,279
but like there's a minute there where Collier was a

1749
01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:57,039
top five pick when people were mocking up drafts. So

1750
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,640
for Philipowski to have exceeded both of them, I think

1751
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:00,720
it's a pretty good value.

1752
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean he's shooting almost sixty percent

1753
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:06,279
on drives Grant, and he's used like quite a few

1754
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:08,159
of them relative to playing What is he at like

1755
01:17:08,199 --> 01:17:10,520
two hundred and sixty six minutes as we record this,

1756
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:12,880
What have you thought about him defensively.

1757
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't I'm not going to pretend

1758
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,039
to have watched like a ton of Kyle Philipowski defensive film.

1759
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,000
I would say, better than I expected, but I did

1760
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:24,039
not expect a ton.

1761
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: From the outside. So I watched in anticipation of doing

1762
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,600
this from the outside in like from the outside. Okay, Oh,

1763
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,119
there's more. I don't want to say the word wing.

1764
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,479
There's more mobility there. I guess if you're gonna need

1765
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:37,199
to make plays around the basket, it's just not happening.

1766
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,680
Uh So that's but again, he didn't profiles like a

1767
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,119
capslock big. But they're running into this weird situation where

1768
01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:46,680
I feel like they have a bunch of non centers

1769
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,399
who aren't quite wings.

1770
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,359
Speaker 2: And on Collins, what are you gonna do?

1771
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,319
Speaker 1: And then also like Larry market In, I guess he's

1772
01:17:53,359 --> 01:17:56,119
a non center, and I guess he meets the wing criteria,

1773
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:58,600
but we both this is not I was curious what

1774
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,399
his wole was gonna be. I guess it's I don't know,

1775
01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:03,359
if that's like overshot. I think he's been more productive

1776
01:18:03,399 --> 01:18:04,239
than I would have guessed.

1777
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 2: And so I went with a bee to your point,

1778
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,039
the point seven percent block rate for a quote unquote

1779
01:18:10,399 --> 01:18:12,239
big is not going to cut it. Yeah, game would

1780
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:12,640
be as well.

1781
01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:16,279
Speaker 1: Keane George is contesting a higher percentage of opponent shots

1782
01:18:16,319 --> 01:18:18,800
when on the four than Kyle Philipowski is, and I

1783
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,079
will say that number is not for a lack of

1784
01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:24,399
proximity when you're looking at where Kyle Philipowski may end

1785
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,439
on certain defensive possessions. So that will wrap up the

1786
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,199
ones we're doing like dives on were there any we

1787
01:18:30,319 --> 01:18:32,439
have some notes like a couple others that we didn't

1788
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,239
have the time to get to. What name stands out?

1789
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:36,560
We could go back and forth on which one we

1790
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:37,199
would do as well.

1791
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Tristan de Silva has started a ton of

1792
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,840
games since Paul Big Carrow got hurt for the Magic

1793
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,960
and is I think it's fair to say he's like

1794
01:18:44,039 --> 01:18:47,079
a connective player, that the three ball is a huge

1795
01:18:47,119 --> 01:18:50,079
part of his game and it's thirty four percent so far.

1796
01:18:50,199 --> 01:18:52,720
But defense, like defenses treat him like a shooter, so

1797
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,079
that's kind of half the battle. And he's just like

1798
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,359
making good connective passes, has goods an yet another like

1799
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:03,520
big forwardy wingy guy that the Magic can just put

1800
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,359
the ball in the hands of and expect good results offensively,

1801
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,640
So they're kind of cornering the market on that player type.

1802
01:19:09,359 --> 01:19:13,000
He's just been very a very good rookie and a

1803
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:15,520
solid overall contributor for a team that is in the

1804
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,359
top four in the East. Like that's that's huge. It

1805
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,560
just he's He's another name that I think got overlooked

1806
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,600
as like, well, what's the upside for this guy coming

1807
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,399
into the draft or coming out of the draft, I

1808
01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:28,640
should say, But he's made as big an impact as

1809
01:19:29,039 --> 01:19:30,640
I mean, maybe bigger. I'm trying to think of, like

1810
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,760
what other Maybe you'd pointed Wells as the guy who's

1811
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,600
made an impact on like a pretty good team. But

1812
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:37,920
de Silva has been awesome.

1813
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he's been really good. And I think it

1814
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,560
helps what he's only at, Like he's had sub thirty

1815
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,840
five percent from three, but when you have four thirty

1816
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,039
four but that number is pretty good when you have

1817
01:19:47,119 --> 01:19:50,359
KCP shooting like eight percent, that's an exaggeration for anyone

1818
01:19:50,359 --> 01:19:52,520
who's watching. Yeah, I want to shout out at East

1819
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,279
MESI was Pelicans fans can take the victory lap in

1820
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:56,600
the sense they were telling us he was going to

1821
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,920
have a role in his first year, but they've also

1822
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,720
been obliterated by injuries, and I think you could maybe

1823
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,760
argue that, well, it's weird that he hasn't even played

1824
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:05,079
more minutes than that. He plays with a lot more

1825
01:20:05,159 --> 01:20:07,439
like force and thrust in physicality than I was kind

1826
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,359
of expecting here he's been. He does feel like he

1827
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,239
needs a little bit more honing if you're gonna try

1828
01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:14,359
and use him as like a screener and then finisher

1829
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:16,840
out of that, which is someone who's gonna battle defensively

1830
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,239
and make his presence felt. I think he's been. I

1831
01:20:19,279 --> 01:20:21,199
don't know if this is just relative to circumstances, but

1832
01:20:21,279 --> 01:20:23,600
he's been really good, or at least someone who's standing

1833
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,159
out I would throw.

1834
01:20:25,039 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: Into the Raptors have three rookies that have played a

1835
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,319
fair amount. Jonathan Mobo is like a very undersized, like

1836
01:20:31,399 --> 01:20:34,199
undersized to the like Mantres Herald extent, maybe even smaller

1837
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:38,239
as a big energy player can grab and go has

1838
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,279
you know, kind of MUCKs up the game in a

1839
01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:43,079
good way. And then Jamal shed hasn't shot it well

1840
01:20:43,119 --> 01:20:46,960
at all, is a good distributor, plays hard on defense,

1841
01:20:47,039 --> 01:20:49,439
but the size is like he's just a very undersized guard,

1842
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:50,960
so I don't know what that ceiling is going to be.

1843
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:53,680
But he's played a lot, way up there among rookies

1844
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:54,720
in total assists this year.

1845
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 1: And Jamal Shed's a psychopath on the defensive end.

1846
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he plays really hard the sizes like is it

1847
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,600
a Davion who ironically Davion Mitchell is on his team?

1848
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,119
Like is it where he's a one position defender that

1849
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,720
you know the ball? Also like Mitchell if he can't

1850
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,720
make threes, like, I don't know what you do with

1851
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,880
him offensively, but I still I still like both of

1852
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,399
those guys. And then Jamison battle As shooting forty percent

1853
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,279
from three, like just the third guy that is helpful

1854
01:21:20,319 --> 01:21:22,199
as the first year player. I think Mobo is my

1855
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:26,920
favorite of the group just because I mean it was

1856
01:21:27,079 --> 01:21:29,279
Jacoby Walter right, like he hasn't done much but.

1857
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,039
Speaker 1: That although he's injured, still isn't he Yeah, I know that.

1858
01:21:33,119 --> 01:21:36,079
Speaker 2: He uh has the lowest minute total. I haven't kept

1859
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:39,079
up with with Yeah, he hasn't, he's been out, But

1860
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:41,560
Mobo is my favorite of the group just because you

1861
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,960
can see like the different the impact he makes just

1862
01:21:44,079 --> 01:21:45,880
as a like a activity guy.

1863
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: So I like that that's doing a J Mitchell on

1864
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,439
a two way. I don't think, like, what are you

1865
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,359
expecting to see him like as much as you have

1866
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,920
through the first early part of the season, even if

1867
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,840
you like if you would have said, okay, there's going

1868
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,760
to be injuries, did you just think that AJ Mitchell

1869
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,199
was going to be what is he rank in minutes

1870
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played at this point? I think he's in like the

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top twenty five. He's eighteeneen in total minutes, So like

1872
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that's not you have to just shut out by virtue

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of being on the court. He's kind of another one

1874
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where I said leading into the season that he reminds

1875
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me of like what if TJ. McConnell played with a

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moral compass? I feel and like there's like a real

1877
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you can say it's about everyone on the Thunder. But

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the two things I think have stood out is that,

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all right, this guy's going to compete defensively, and then

1880
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I do think there's like some exploration to like explore

1881
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as a passer. I don't think that he's ever going

1882
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,680
to be I would question right like what does this

1883
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,199
guy come when it comes to generating his own shots?

1884
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What is he going to look like as a scorer

1885
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,520
moving forward, but as someone who just might be able

1886
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,720
to direct these possessions, I think you have to be

1887
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encouraged with like just some of the flashes you've seen

1888
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:51,319
there from him. And to counter my own point, like, uh,

1889
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,960
he is scoring one point five points per possession as

1890
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:55,760
the pick and roll ball handler right now, excuse me,

1891
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,239
it's point nine six. I feel a little bit better

1892
01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:59,920
seventy fifth percentile. So like he's just been he's been

1893
01:23:00,039 --> 01:23:02,960
able to come in and just do stuff for them,

1894
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:04,840
And I'll be curious to see, like if you can

1895
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,880
get a little bit of the turnover stuff when he's

1896
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,079
you know, working in traffic or in slower down sets.

1897
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:10,760
But like they might have they just might have a

1898
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,880
player there. Shocker, Okay, so he might just have a player.

1899
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: Uh, do you have any quick thoughts on the Knicks guys,

1900
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,800
the Kolak or Dattier or even hook Porty, like all

1901
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,079
they actually have like laid a fair amount for a

1902
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:21,600
typical ball.

1903
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean, look look at their depth. Pocoon Dadia is

1904
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,600
just kind of intriguing. He's played with a lot of

1905
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,680
just kind of defensive panache, like is there, and so

1906
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,560
I'm curious to see what he would look like in

1907
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,920
the if you're gonna play on this team, what do

1908
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,960
you kind of look like? Offensively? Is it just someone

1909
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,399
who you hope can space the floor there?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Tyler Koleak. I know a lot of people thought he

1912
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,159
was gonna be in the running for maybe beating out

1913
01:23:41,239 --> 01:23:44,800
campaign for minutes. Uh that like campaign has been too

1914
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,920
good for that to happen. Uh he does. I don't

1915
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:49,319
want to use to work deer in headlights, Like he's

1916
01:23:49,319 --> 01:23:52,479
a fantastic passer, but like he hasn't moved in like

1917
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,119
I think when you looked at all the Knicks rookies,

1918
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you probably thought he was gonna have the biggest impact.

1919
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,600
I think you can argue he's been the least impressive

1920
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,359
of the three. Don't know too much what to of

1921
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:03,880
Ariel huck Porty just yet. There's like if he wanted

1922
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,800
to ever use a big in this way under Tom Thibodeau, Okay,

1923
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,680
there might be more of a short roll passer there

1924
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,960
than we're seeing. And he's had some really good moments

1925
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,560
when it comes to like deterring shots or just swatting

1926
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,239
away shots at the basket. Last I looked, opponents are

1927
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:20,560
shooting fifty two point seven percent or fifty three point

1928
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,760
seven whatever it is at him at the rim. So

1929
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they've been fought, I don't think, But what were your

1930
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expectations for I think huck Porty and Dottie have exceeded

1931
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expectations just by virtue how much you've had to turn

1932
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,039
for them. I argue some Nicks might feel that Colic

1933
01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:37,159
has missed expectations, but that bar was just set too

1934
01:24:37,279 --> 01:24:41,920
high for him. Yeah, I was gonna Saydaro, we probably

1935
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,039
could have mentioned him when we were doing Ryan Dunn, Like,

1936
01:24:44,079 --> 01:24:46,319
if you're gonna look for like some of Phoenix's more

1937
01:24:46,319 --> 01:24:48,680
switchable lineups, it does feel like he has the ability

1938
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,920
to work within those and he probably gives you. Am

1939
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,239
I going too far saying he gives you more offensive

1940
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,720
dynamism than Ryan Dunn at this point if you were

1941
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,199
looking for that offensive optionality.

1942
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a weird like in between game that

1943
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:07,359
I think is kind of play as well. Who's another one? Oh,

1944
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:12,520
I was gonna mention disappointed Cololware or Khalil I'm never

1945
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:17,439
gonna remember which remember in maybe it was Summer League

1946
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,079
where he was really showing out and it's like, look

1947
01:25:19,159 --> 01:25:22,760
the great size, like athletic flirting with a three point shot,

1948
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:24,479
like is he going to start next to Bam and

1949
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,600
he's played under fifty minutes on the air, I'm just

1950
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,960
just Pela Larson has played more than him, which I

1951
01:25:29,159 --> 01:25:32,439
did not have in the on the rookie minutes Bingo card.

1952
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Speaker 1: I just want to say that I did well. I

1953
01:25:34,039 --> 01:25:35,159
don't know if I had him getting minutes, so I

1954
01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:36,600
was pretty high on pel Larson. He gets an A

1955
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,359
plus for me if we were going to grade those

1956
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,079
shooting grade anybody else at work on at any of

1957
01:25:42,079 --> 01:25:43,840
the Warriors were He's that you need to get into.

1958
01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:47,039
Speaker 2: I haven't seen a lot of Quinton post Re speakman.

1959
01:25:47,079 --> 01:25:49,680
I think played like three or four minutes win one,

1960
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,279
a couple of games. That's about it. Unless you're in

1961
01:25:53,119 --> 01:25:55,640
How do you feel about him? Just do I want

1962
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,199
to do his G League numbers? He could play at

1963
01:25:59,239 --> 01:26:01,800
some point? I think like, I think that is a

1964
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,960
real case of like there's just not minutes for him

1965
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,640
because this team, the Celtics are too good.

1966
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Speaker 1: I'm actually we mentioned Aj Mitchell, we had mentioned Dylan Jones.

1967
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,560
I mean we were talked about is we're talking about

1968
01:26:14,039 --> 01:26:16,520
players who need like a jump shot swing skill. He's

1969
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,319
four of twenty three from three on the season and

1970
01:26:19,319 --> 01:26:21,680
shooting only three of six at the foul line. Just

1971
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,479
something to I guess, if you have a j. Mitchell,

1972
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:24,720
do you need Dylan Jones.

1973
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 2: Which is well and like, I mean, the the highest pick,

1974
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,800
the thunder made Topic like obviously hasn't isn't gonna play

1975
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,319
this season. But uh, there's as I was if you're

1976
01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:37,560
grading their whole rookie class between Mitchell having just these

1977
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,800
ridiculous uh measured against expectation contributions, and Topic is just

1978
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,079
sitting there like theoretically coming into a role next year, Uh,

1979
01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:45,920
looking pretty good.

1980
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Speaker 1: Like why are they if Topich was healthy because Dylan

1981
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,439
Jones is played one hundred and twenty six minutes, they

1982
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,319
would just have found a way for Topic to get minutes.

1983
01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:55,359
At this They just find ways to get guys minutes

1984
01:26:55,399 --> 01:26:58,239
on this team. It's incredible. That's it for me, unless

1985
01:26:58,239 --> 01:26:59,159
you have anything else.

1986
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 2: I'm scanning, I don't. I don't think I know. Antonio

1987
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:03,920
Reeves for the Pelicans had like a thirty something point

1988
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,880
game out of absolutely nowhere within the last week or so.

1989
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:09,960
But that's I think we've We've probably covered thirty already.

1990
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:12,560
Speaker 1: What about Trey Alexander replacing Jamal Murray?

1991
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:16,119
Speaker 2: Are you there yet? Twenty nine minutes on the season

1992
01:27:16,199 --> 01:27:18,279
and not quite. I could get there at some point,

1993
01:27:19,079 --> 01:27:21,199
but yeah, good job, good job by us just talking

1994
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about this many rookies this early in the season, as

1995
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if any of this is set in stone.

1996
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Speaker 1: Good good job by us.

1997
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Speaker 2: I think that's gonna do it, though, everybody, thanks for

1998
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,880
let us know if if there's a rookie we probably

1999
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,600
should have covered. I'll be impressed if you can come

2000
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,039
up with one that has played at all that.

2001
01:27:38,399 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: I think the Raptors hands will be mad at their

2002
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,119
guys and get their own slides. But we've focused a

2003
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:43,760
ton on the Raptors. We were trying to really just

2004
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,720
spread the love here. I sure Bells Ironman people will

2005
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:47,399
be very angry.

2006
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: All my Raptors' thoughts go into r. J. Barrett in

2007
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,600
his most improved player case, So I don't really have

2008
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:53,399
room for the rookies.

2009
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Speaker 1: And apologies for not being able to get the rookie

2010
01:27:55,159 --> 01:27:56,520
blow cool BALI that's a miss.

2011
01:27:57,079 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 2: Next well, we should do a whole episode on guys

2012
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that aren't rookies that we just call. That's gonna do it.

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2018
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2019
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Sorry if we were too harsh.

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Speaker 1: And.

2021
01:28:23,119 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 2: You know, maybe next time we'll be a little kinder

2022
01:28:26,039 --> 01:28:28,239
as these guys get deeper. Hit there for you, shouts

2023
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,119
Frank Millikeean. Apologies. Chair down,