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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Fearless Fabulous You. I am your host, Melanie Young,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you follow me regularly, you know I love

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<v Speaker 2>to introduce you to inspiring women who have created amazing

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<v Speaker 2>second acts. I think I'm on my third act at

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<v Speaker 2>this point in my life, so I support all women

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<v Speaker 2>who find new purpose and passion at new stages of

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<v Speaker 2>our life. And that is really what my guest today

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<v Speaker 2>is doing. We're kind of soul sisters in other ways

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<v Speaker 2>because I live now in New Orleans and she was

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<v Speaker 2>born and raised in New Orleans, and she is doing

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<v Speaker 2>amazing things in an area that we are all very

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about, and that is climate change. Now that I've

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<v Speaker 2>moved to New Orleans. It's like in my face every

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<v Speaker 2>day because we just started hurricane season. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even in Tennessee, where I used to live. In New York,

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<v Speaker 2>where I lived for much of my life, we were

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<v Speaker 2>hit by hurricanes quite often. The worst one in New

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<v Speaker 2>York when I lived there was Hurricane Sandy, which was

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<v Speaker 2>just incredibly destructive. We were talking about that last night

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<v Speaker 2>at an event. It is a global situation. As I

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<v Speaker 2>travel the world visiting wineries for my life as a

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<v Speaker 2>wine and food writer, I talked to farmers all the

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<v Speaker 2>time who are being impacted by climate change. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not your backyard, it is our global backyard. And Kathleen

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<v Speaker 2>Biggins is changing the conversation and really moving the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>forward in this area. And we're going to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>her about this.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Kathleen Biggins, founder and president of Sea Change Conversations, a

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<v Speaker 2>nonprofit dedicated to expanding the conversation in a very constructive

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<v Speaker 2>way about climate change. Welcome to Fearless, Fabulous you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's such a pleasure to be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Kathleen, we're going to start with your backstory. As

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, you were born and raised in New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us our listeners about your life here and what

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<v Speaker 2>your early interests were and where you ended up as

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<v Speaker 2>pursuing your education.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, so, as you said, I grew up in New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 4>I was the youngest of three girls. I used to

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<v Speaker 4>take the street car to school every day and loved

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<v Speaker 4>growing up in New Orleans. Just thought it was the

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<v Speaker 4>most interesting place on the planet, and indeed it still

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<v Speaker 4>is in many ways to me. I had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>to go to college at the University of Virginia, and

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<v Speaker 4>then afterwards I spent a year as a rotary scholar

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<v Speaker 4>in Europe, traveling around and being exposed to so many

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<v Speaker 3>And no matter where I went.

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<v Speaker 4>Though, there was no place like New Orleans, and it

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<v Speaker 4>always has held such an important place in my heart.

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<v Speaker 4>And that actually has helped kind of propel me because,

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<v Speaker 4>just as you said, if you're living in New Orleans,

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<v Speaker 4>climate change is a really big threat. And I will

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<v Speaker 4>say that my love for my home city is part

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<v Speaker 4>of what really pushed me to start this outreach.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting because you, actually, like me, were in

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<v Speaker 2>a communications spell for many years. I had a public

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<v Speaker 2>relations business in New York and young Communications, and you

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<v Speaker 2>worked for Ogilvie and Mail. Like me, you knew you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to move to New York and pursue the life

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<v Speaker 2>because you make it there, you make it anywhere. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was the same way. I left Atlanta and Chattanooga

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<v Speaker 2>where I was from, to Tedson, New York, and like you,

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<v Speaker 2>slept on friends sofas and until I got that land

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<v Speaker 2>of that job. How long did you work in that

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<v Speaker 2>field in advertising and marketing?

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<v Speaker 4>So I worked at Ogilvie probably around nine years, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I moved to Princeton, New Jersey, which is where

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<v Speaker 4>so then I took some time out and really did

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<v Speaker 4>volunteer work as I raised my two sons, but was

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<v Speaker 4>always quite involved in a wide range of things. I

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<v Speaker 4>was on the board of our local symphony as well

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<v Speaker 4>as the Watershed Institute, which is a environmental group in

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<v Speaker 2>That's wonderful that you were able to do that. What

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<v Speaker 2>in you're Marriorg How long have you been married to

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<v Speaker 2>your husband and what does he do? Oh wow, so

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<v Speaker 2>we've obviously you had a supportive husband to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Indeed, we have been married now for thirty seven years.

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<v Speaker 4>Thirty eight years, congratulations. And he is very supportive of

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<v Speaker 4>this outreach because believes in it as well. But he

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<v Speaker 4>actually runs a consulting business that helps companies relocate big

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<v Speaker 4>chunks of jobs. It's called location economics. So it's been

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<v Speaker 4>really intriguing for me to have that lens on this

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<v Speaker 4>issue because he's helping so many companies decide where to

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<v Speaker 4>move in to help me understand how kind of movers

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<v Speaker 4>and shakers within the business world are factoring in climate

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<v Speaker 4>change or factoring in some of the there are needs

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<v Speaker 4>that are being impacted by climate change. So it's been

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<v Speaker 4>a great partnership in a marriage and also in what

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<v Speaker 4>we do, I would think.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a big topic because people relocate. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>housing is important, and I know here in Louisiana the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of insurance is through this roof, and our friends

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<v Speaker 2>in California they're struggling right now with this because of

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<v Speaker 2>the fires, and insurance is becoming a huge issue. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why I rent, not by I've learned. I was fascinated

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<v Speaker 2>by the fact, and I think it's wonderful that you

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<v Speaker 2>did step away. I think it's important to underscore to

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<v Speaker 2>my women listeners that it is perfectly okay to step

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<v Speaker 2>away from your career and do the you know, take

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<v Speaker 2>time off to be with your family, and do it

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<v Speaker 2>without any regrets or worries. I mean fortunate at a

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<v Speaker 2>supportive husband, but it is important. A lot of women

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<v Speaker 2>struggle with this. I didn't have to because I never

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<v Speaker 2>had children, but I think it's great that you did,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it provided you the time to pursue interest

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<v Speaker 2>in your talents. In other ways, what was interesting is

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<v Speaker 2>you became involved with garden clubs, and that really was

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<v Speaker 2>the jumping off point to where you are now with

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. There were several going with sea Change conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>so give us a little backstory on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, as you said, it's often really important to have

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<v Speaker 4>the ability to pursue new passions and to strive for

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<v Speaker 4>new talents or new accomplishments, and so gardening with always

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<v Speaker 4>one that I wanted to be better at and that

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<v Speaker 4>I felt I was not that knowledgeable and was a

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<v Speaker 4>little intimidated by it. So I joined a local garden club,

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<v Speaker 4>the Garden Club of Princeton, which is part of the

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<v Speaker 4>Garden Club of America, and I learned quite a lot

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Things is the fact that many people don't know is

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<v Speaker 4>a Golden Club of America has a very strong environmental platform.

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<v Speaker 4>They believe very much that we should protect the natural

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<v Speaker 4>world and that we should be educated on the natural world.

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<v Speaker 4>And yet they are in no way a partisan group

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<v Speaker 4>or a left leaning group, or even what you would

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<v Speaker 4>call an environmental group. They have a very reasonable and

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<v Speaker 4>I would say passionate, but not partisan voice in this arena.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the things they do every year is

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<v Speaker 4>hold the conference in Washington, d C. Where they bring

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<v Speaker 4>in delegates from all over the country to learn about

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<v Speaker 4>the priorities and to hear from people on the hill,

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<v Speaker 4>people in the administration about issues that were wending through

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<v Speaker 4>that were topical to these times. And I attended one

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<v Speaker 4>of these conferences representing my club, again, the Garden Club

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<v Speaker 4>of Princeton, and I heard from a military person and

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<v Speaker 4>from a business leader that climate change was real.

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<v Speaker 3>And almost knocked my socks off.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, it's not real.

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<v Speaker 4>What and yet these two really illustrious, smart, articulate leaders

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<v Speaker 4>And that was kind of my first awakening. And then

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of years later, Hurricane Sandy hit our region

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<v Speaker 4>caused a great devastation, and I heard that climate chain

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<v Speaker 4>has kind of exacerbated the amount of damage that had

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<v Speaker 4>been done. And so I went back down to this

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<v Speaker 4>conference and learned that in fact, climate change was coming faster,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was going to hit us harder, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was going to be much more expensive and painful if

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<v Speaker 3>Front of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was kind of a wake up call for

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<v Speaker 4>me something I had been just intellectually interested in and

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<v Speaker 4>wake up my colleagues and friends and loved ones who

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<v Speaker 4>really didn't think of climate change as a true threat

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<v Speaker 4>or something that was pertinent to them or that they

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<v Speaker 4>had to worry about. And yet I knew we were

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<v Speaker 4>all collectively really on a dangerous trajectory. And it was

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<v Speaker 4>a communications challenge, if you will, how can we wake

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<v Speaker 4>people up without turning them off because it was a

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<v Speaker 4>topic people didn't want to hear about and didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>It's so interesting, you know a couple of things. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, I had no idea that garden clubs were

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<v Speaker 2>that active in you know, kept I think about my grandmother.

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<v Speaker 2>She was the garden club. But they were a little

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<v Speaker 2>white gloves and they you know, looked at camellias. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that. And I'm already telling about a story

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<v Speaker 2>to write about that. It's very interesting. I have to ask,

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<v Speaker 2>what about Katrina? You didn't mention herk King Katrina? How

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<v Speaker 2>was and that was two thousand and five and this

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<v Speaker 2>light bulb was two thousand and six. Sandy was later?

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<v Speaker 2>Was your family? How was your family impacted by Hurricane Katrina?

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<v Speaker 2>Was your family here?

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<v Speaker 4>So my parents moved out the year of Hurricane Katrina,

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<v Speaker 4>so right before the storm. So so I did not

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<v Speaker 4>have direct family here. I did have cousins and aunts here,

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<v Speaker 4>and they obviously suffered as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But Katrina was an.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting challenge because so much of the damage really was

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<v Speaker 4>because the levees failed, which many say is more of

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<v Speaker 4>a man made issue than the fact that the hurricane

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<v Speaker 4>was so powerful it overwhelmed us. It was more that

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<v Speaker 4>our defenses failed, and so I haven't linked that as

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<v Speaker 4>closely to climate though I do think that my understanding

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<v Speaker 4>that nature can overwhelm us, that the power can be

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<v Speaker 4>so strong and something that humans can't control, that many

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<v Speaker 4>Americans haven't experience, though they are more frequently now. But

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<v Speaker 4>growing up with hurricanes as part of your I won't

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<v Speaker 4>say daily life, but part of your consistent fear and

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<v Speaker 4>concern and changes your perspective on nature and humanity, human's

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<v Speaker 4>relationship with her interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad your family was lucky. We live on

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<v Speaker 2>in Lakeview where it was underwater, and the streets are

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<v Speaker 2>still a mess. I think they're finally fixing them. How

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<v Speaker 2>long has it been?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Here's how climate change has really impacted me, and I

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<v Speaker 2>because of mold, mildew, excessive rain, excessive heat. The grapes

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<v Speaker 2>you're sensitive. It's not just grapes, it's all agriculture. Is

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<v Speaker 2>being impacted by it, and that's why your food prices

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<v Speaker 2>are up. So that's where it hurts the pocket book.

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<v Speaker 2>It hurts the pocketbook when the insurance companies want to

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<v Speaker 2>about my friends in Asheville, North Carolina, who in their

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<v Speaker 4>So just to clarify for your readers for a second,

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<v Speaker 4>bring that reality that climate change is hitting things you

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<v Speaker 4>of your community exactly, but also that we shouldn't see

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<v Speaker 4>it within a partisan perspective, but in fact it's a

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<v Speaker 4>health and safety, and geopolitical stability, things that all Americans

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<v Speaker 4>care about. And then we try to localize our messaging

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<v Speaker 4>because we travel all over the country doing this and

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's thirty three states now, about twenty two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand people reaching out towards moderates and conservatives who may

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<v Speaker 4>not see that climate change is impacting them already and

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<v Speaker 4>may not believe still that it's a conversation that they

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<v Speaker 4>need to or want to have. And you're absolutely right

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<v Speaker 4>by translating it down to how it matters today individuals.

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<v Speaker 4>It's an important way in and its important way for

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to address the nimbi's and not in my

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<v Speaker 2>backyards and the not in my lifetimes, like that's the

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<v Speaker 2>next generation, but it does impact everybody today. And you

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<v Speaker 2>underscore at See Change Conversation, which is a nonprofit that

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<v Speaker 2>you are nonpartisan, non political, and you avoid the word

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<v Speaker 2>environmental activism, which I think is really important. Why is

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<v Speaker 4>Because I think it's so easy to pigeonhole it if

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<v Speaker 4>you say it's an environmental issue, and obviously it has

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<v Speaker 4>environmental impacts, clear, but the fact of the matter is

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<v Speaker 4>these impacts are now cascading outside of the natural world

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<v Speaker 4>we can be strong even as a society, our health systems,

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<v Speaker 4>and so all of a sudden, if you pigeonhole it,

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<v Speaker 4>it seems something small and it's easier to identify as

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<v Speaker 4>ones that are the Greenies, they are over there. But

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<v Speaker 4>when instead you position it as well, this is impacting

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<v Speaker 4>our geopolitical security, or hey, this is impacting my wallet,

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<v Speaker 4>this is impact acting what I have to pay for

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<v Speaker 4>your health, my health exactly, and then it becomes, as

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<v Speaker 4>I said, a human issue. And we drive so hard

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<v Speaker 4>to help people understand that we're all in this boat

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<v Speaker 2>So when did you you established Sea Change Conversations in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen, you decided to create the nonprofit? What were

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<v Speaker 2>and its purpose, right, why give us the why in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of we know what propelled you to it, But

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<v Speaker 2>why did you decide to focus on conversations and really

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<v Speaker 3>And we realized that there are many people.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, colleagues, friends, even loved ones who weren't really in

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<v Speaker 4>And so we were like, Okay, how can we get

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<v Speaker 4>them into the conversation. And we realized that if we

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<v Speaker 4>replicated what had happened to us down in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 4>At these conferences where these outside experts came in and

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<v Speaker 4>talked about it and we listened because they weren't greenies,

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<v Speaker 4>they weren't environmentalists, they were someone different talking about it,

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<v Speaker 3>And so we started.

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<v Speaker 4>Off just doing speaker series in Princeton and we served

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<v Speaker 4>people to come and they came, and we had speakers

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<v Speaker 4>like the former governor Christine Whitman, who had also been

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<v Speaker 4>who was very very savvy on climate change, in climate policy.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a rear admiral come in and talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the military perspective. We had had a risk strategy from

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<v Speaker 4>Gloman Sachs come in and talk about risk strategy assessment

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<v Speaker 4>and how we're not doing that well in the realm

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<v Speaker 4>of climate, and we had many others, but it created

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<v Speaker 4>that safe route in in Princeton. However, I was getting very,

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<v Speaker 4>very frustrated that people who came were not coming to

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<v Speaker 4>all of them and we're getting kind of a deep

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<v Speaker 4>dive in a specific SLVER issue, but not a three

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<v Speaker 4>sixty view. And that's when I wrote, with climate experts

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<v Speaker 4>and energy experts this PowerPoint primer or primmer if you will,

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<v Speaker 4>Yees brought forward and we originally showed it to the

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<v Speaker 4>garden clubs. They asked this to bring it to National.

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<v Speaker 4>We showed it to National and they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>felt it set the table. It framed the issue in

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<v Speaker 4>a nonpartisan way, in an inclusive way that other speakers

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<v Speaker 4>could then build off of, and people who were there

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<v Speaker 2>And at that time we.

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<v Speaker 4>Decided we really need to expand and become a not

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<v Speaker 4>afford to travel the country even though those speakers are

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<v Speaker 3>Just we needed to be able.

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<v Speaker 4>To maintain what we were doing, and so that kind

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<v Speaker 2>So you raise money which basically funds the speaking programs,

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<v Speaker 2>right the primer and you have three levels of primers

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<v Speaker 2>from what I see on the website, which for our

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<v Speaker 2>you explain that more?

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<v Speaker 3>So we.

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<v Speaker 4>Raise the funds for several things. Now, we definitely to

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<v Speaker 3>So we really do this.

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<v Speaker 4>As I said, our volunteers speakers are all volunteers, and

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<v Speaker 4>so we do everything we can to keep our costs down.

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<v Speaker 4>But we also spend a lot of time on creating

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<v Speaker 4>follow up information that will continue the dialogue, continue that

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<v Speaker 4>conversation with audience members after we leave that market.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have.

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<v Speaker 4>Monthly newsletters of news of hope, news of concern. We

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<v Speaker 4>do blogs, we do webinars, We do all sorts of

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<v Speaker 4>education materials even in schools and for other groups. Again

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<v Speaker 4>and to bring this kind of non partisan, inclusive voice

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<v Speaker 4>we definitely do that. We also do tailor our primers.

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<v Speaker 4>We have different types of primers. We have those that

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<v Speaker 4>use health and focus just on how climate change impacts

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<v Speaker 4>our health and safety, because that's a really important way in.

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<v Speaker 4>And we also have primers that focus more on business

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<v Speaker 4>for business audiences because we've also been asked by many

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<v Speaker 4>companies to come in and talk to their employees to

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<v Speaker 4>help them understand why perhaps that company is pivoting to

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<v Speaker 4>a new strategy because of the realities of climate change.

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<v Speaker 4>And so, yes, we have the ability to tailor, and

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<v Speaker 4>we have several already tailored that we are currently presented presenting.

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<v Speaker 2>So climate change is a big topic and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of little topics in it. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask you, how you define I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is important Probace should have done in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>But how you define climate change? Because there are people

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<v Speaker 2>who deny it. Some people have called it global warming.

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<v Speaker 2>It's climate change. Who it's not. We're warming. There are

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<v Speaker 2>places that are raining more or muddy more. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>just about heat. It's about a lot of other things.

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<v Speaker 2>It involves food waste, which is a big topic with me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've covered it a lot. So it's you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>it's you said, it's a lifestyle. How would you define

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the way we define it often in our presentations

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<v Speaker 4>is it's simply the changes in our long term weather

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<v Speaker 4>what was normal that then. It's very different than what

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<v Speaker 4>Things that happened before are happening in a much more

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<v Speaker 4>powerful and dangerous way. Many people say natural cycles. Our

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<v Speaker 4>presentation addresses that straight on and helps them understand why

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<v Speaker 4>it's not. Many people say, oh, the climate's always been changing,

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<v Speaker 4>and we help them understand why today's changes is at

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<v Speaker 3>It's really straightforward.

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<v Speaker 4>Once you lay out the science in a very nonpartisan,

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<v Speaker 4>comprehensive way, that part of climate change isn't that complicated.

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<v Speaker 4>Is how the fact that we are changing our composition

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<v Speaker 4>I said before, our human systems. And that gets quite complicated,

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<v Speaker 3>But the science is.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty darn clear, and what we can see and experience

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<v Speaker 2>admitting into the air, and it was filthy, and as

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<v Speaker 2>a result, many people moved away. Chattanooga had a bad reputation.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Nobody cared about it, and finally people woke up and

429
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<v Speaker 2>invested in turning things around to with the mission and

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<v Speaker 2>goal which they have succeeded doing to make it green

431
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<v Speaker 2>and invest in environmental programs and also invest in fest internet,

432
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<v Speaker 2>the things to make life make it more smoothly. And

433
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<v Speaker 2>now it is a very hot destination in Many people,

434
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<v Speaker 2>including a lot of Californians, are relocating there because it's

435
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<v Speaker 2>considered safer to live there now than California seems to

436
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<v Speaker 2>be burning up or falling into the ocean. And I

437
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<v Speaker 2>love California. So that's an example of cities and communities

438
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<v Speaker 2>becoming realizing there's a problem. But it took the bad

439
00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:18.039
<v Speaker 2>publicity to say, oh, we got to do something because

440
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<v Speaker 2>everybody was leaving, including me. That's an example.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I was just in Chattanooga this year. Presently, maybe

442
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<v Speaker 4>it was the last fall, but recently we were just

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<v Speaker 4>in Chattanooga, and it is a happening place. It is place,

444
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<v Speaker 4>and people are so proud of it and about the

445
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<v Speaker 4>fact it's becoming more of an economic powerhouse and a

446
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<v Speaker 4>place that people want to live. So you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 4>These things are tied directly to our quality of life

448
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<v Speaker 4>and quality of our local economy.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that in the realm of climate change, though,

451
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<v Speaker 4>one of the misperceptions is that climate action has to

452
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<v Speaker 4>be painful in a sacrifice, and it's just not the

453
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<v Speaker 4>case anymore, right, And so you know, taking climate action

454
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<v Speaker 4>is actually super smart economically that yields so much in

455
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<v Speaker 4>return that it's really short sighted and expensive not to

456
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<v Speaker 4>And that's a message that we've been able to also

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<v Speaker 4>get out there that I think many people don't get

458
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<v Speaker 4>because they just get hammered, Oh it's going to cost

459
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<v Speaker 4>me more money. Oh it's going to drive up my

460
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<v Speaker 4>energy costs, And that's just a tiny sliver that's not

461
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<v Speaker 4>really the full picture at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, also, you said your husband's in the relocation business.

463
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<v Speaker 2>It also impacts where companies set up their businesses and

464
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<v Speaker 2>where they relocate people and where people move. New Orleans

465
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<v Speaker 2>is suffering because it's lost a lot of people. It

466
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<v Speaker 2>lost a lot of people after Katrina, but it has

467
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<v Speaker 2>continued to have a declining population because it has an

468
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<v Speaker 2>image problem. It has a part, the good part of

469
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the image, but the negative part is you know, hurricanes dirty.

470
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<v Speaker 2>We just had a massive blackout in the middle Memorial

471
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<v Speaker 2>Day weekend, one hundred thousand people out energy because they're

472
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<v Speaker 2>load shedding. You know, there are so many factors and

473
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.359
<v Speaker 2>you see it and they need, you know, and the

474
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<v Speaker 2>government is a bit discombobulated on how to funnel those

475
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<v Speaker 2>funds to make it happen, and they're gonna have to.

476
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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a wake up call. We thought

477
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Katrina was. It wasn't and it has to be. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the reasons it's going to be

479
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<v Speaker 2>a wake up call is that economically, people are leaving

480
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<v Speaker 2>and businesses aren't coming in. And that sometimes is the

481
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<v Speaker 2>spark when you realize the population is exiting and investment

482
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<v Speaker 2>is not coming in that's when people say we need

483
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<v Speaker 2>to do something, it should be other reasons as well,

484
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:44.839
<v Speaker 2>like health and wellness and whatnot. But that's what I think,

485
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<v Speaker 2>that's what spurred Chad Nigga.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, and you're also absolutely right that businesses

487
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<v Speaker 4>are making decisions based on what is best for their

488
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<v Speaker 4>bottom line, where their facilities will be safe.

489
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<v Speaker 3>And also where.

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<v Speaker 4>Where they can get the type of energy that is

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<v Speaker 4>being mandated by many of their stakeholders, and especially if

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<v Speaker 4>they're international companies that they're mandated on the global scale

493
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<v Speaker 4>or by Europe and other people that are at the

494
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<v Speaker 4>forefront that are forcing these global companies to raise their standards.

495
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<v Speaker 4>And so companies have embraced clean energy and many of

496
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<v Speaker 4>the climate strategies that make sense. Unfortunately, we are still

497
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<v Speaker 4>in a place where it is a partisan hot potato

498
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<v Speaker 4>and tend to use it to whip up their base

499
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 4>on both sides, and that's just not helpful. But it

500
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<v Speaker 4>definitely still is not. As I mean we phrase this,

501
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<v Speaker 4>the vast majority of Americans are concerned about climate change.

502
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<v Speaker 4>The vast majority of Americans, like almost eighty percent, want

503
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<v Speaker 4>more support of clean energy, but we aren't seeing that

504
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<v Speaker 4>reflected in the political actions right, both at the federal

505
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 4>level today and at the state level in many areas.

506
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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lag.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a political lag from where the constituents really are,

508
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<v Speaker 4>where the action is.

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<v Speaker 2>And the sad thing about that is that people give

510
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<v Speaker 2>up and they go, I give up. I can't you know,

511
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.839
<v Speaker 2>they move into their little bubble and do nothing, and

512
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<v Speaker 2>you don't want that. So I here's my question to you.

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<v Speaker 2>What when you you and your volunteers go talking to

514
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<v Speaker 2>communities and you're in large communities and small I think

515
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the people in the underschool what can

516
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<v Speaker 2>I really do? Is it really it's above anything I

517
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<v Speaker 2>can control because of the unfortunately the bureaucracy of layers

518
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<v Speaker 2>that change policy. What can people, individual people do or

519
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<v Speaker 2>small groups of people do in their own communities, because

520
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.799
<v Speaker 2>there's really grassroots this is where you can make the

521
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 2>biggest steps. What can they do? What simple steps? Would

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<v Speaker 2>you say?

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<v Speaker 4>So while you say that people are eager to do

524
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.119
<v Speaker 4>things that I would say that while people are concerned,

525
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<v Speaker 4>they rank it quite low on their hierarchy of what

526
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<v Speaker 4>when they go to vote, So it may be fourteenth, seventeenth,

527
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<v Speaker 4>twenty ninth, so hello, it needs to get high.

528
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<v Speaker 3>It needs to be one of the first.

529
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<v Speaker 4>Things that you say is important to you when go

530
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<v Speaker 4>to vote, because it impacts the things that you do

531
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.559
<v Speaker 4>care about most. Your family's health, your job, you know,

532
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:57.000
<v Speaker 4>the safety and viability of your community. Immigration is greatly

533
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:01.200
<v Speaker 4>impacted by climate change. So anything you care about almost

534
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I know, I'm making a blanket statement is

535
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<v Speaker 4>impacted by climate joints, and we have to help people

536
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 4>connect those dots and bring it much further forward. It's

537
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<v Speaker 4>also a topic that's not spoken about a lot. Most

538
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 4>people don't hear it spoken about very much at all,

539
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 4>and so they aren't aware of just how strong the

540
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:24.559
<v Speaker 4>support is amongst others to have climate action to become

541
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:30.440
<v Speaker 4>a safer situation, and so raising your voice talking about

542
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 4>it is one of the most important things you can do.

543
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.160
<v Speaker 4>Taking action on a local basis. There's all sorts of

544
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<v Speaker 4>ways of getting involved in helping smart smart and I'm

545
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:46.119
<v Speaker 4>gonna say smart not just willy nilly action at the

546
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 4>local basis, from helping to ensure there's enough of a

547
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<v Speaker 4>green canopy and areas that currently are more exposed because

548
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.480
<v Speaker 4>that is one way of mitigating that extraordinary heat that's coming,

549
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:07.359
<v Speaker 4>to helping local regulations on water and land usage and

550
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:12.839
<v Speaker 4>even on clean energy access and construction to enable that transition,

551
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.720
<v Speaker 4>because sometimes we need to do an investment up front

552
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<v Speaker 4>to have a lot of savings on the other side,

553
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<v Speaker 4>and that's been a real hiccup for people who aren't

554
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 4>willing to make that investment in order to get those savings.

555
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.759
<v Speaker 4>But that's where governments and policymakers can really play an

556
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 4>important part. But only if you raise your voice and

557
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.519
<v Speaker 4>say it's important. And I want to just call out

558
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<v Speaker 4>Texas for a minute, because in Texas is a really

559
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<v Speaker 4>interesting place right now. They are the number one producer

560
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<v Speaker 4>of renewables. It's like they are the powerhouse of the

561
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.559
<v Speaker 4>country right now, which is kind of shocking. But in

562
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<v Speaker 4>solar and when batteries, they are just making it happen.

563
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<v Speaker 4>And part of that is that they are deregulated energy

564
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<v Speaker 4>market and they really allow the market to push things forward,

565
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.599
<v Speaker 4>and when solar and battery are pretty darn and expensive

566
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<v Speaker 4>and in many places less expensive than the fossil fuels.

567
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<v Speaker 4>So there was a real move a foot this just

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<v Speaker 4>last month to kind of corral the growth of renewables, saying, whoa,

569
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<v Speaker 4>we can't let that happen. We have to boost fossil

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<v Speaker 4>fuels and hinder renewables. And it passed one part of

571
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<v Speaker 4>their legislator, but didn't make it over the finish line.

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<v Speaker 4>And at the same time, what did make it over

573
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<v Speaker 4>the finish line, and let's see if it gets vetoed

574
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<v Speaker 4>is support of clean energy for distributed energy on rooftops.

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<v Speaker 2>So interesting?

576
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<v Speaker 3>What made that happen?

577
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.599
<v Speaker 4>That had to be pushed back from businesses and rate

578
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 4>payers and numbers are saying, hey.

579
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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be more expensive. What are you doing? Stop?

580
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<v Speaker 2>And it's the pocketbook.

581
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<v Speaker 4>It matters economics, and there's the bottom line, and the

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<v Speaker 4>constituents' desire to have this.

583
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<v Speaker 3>Energy was strong enough to stop this political push.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting, correct.

585
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<v Speaker 3>And we'll see if it's stay stout next year it

586
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<v Speaker 3>could be back.

587
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<v Speaker 4>But I thought it was a fascinating tale because I

588
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<v Speaker 4>don't know that that could have happened five years ago,

589
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 4>ten years ago. I think it's because clean energy now

590
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 4>it's something people desire and is less expensive and gives

591
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<v Speaker 4>all these added benefits, and people are recognizing it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people just need to realize and understand the

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<v Speaker 2>benefits and that it's not beyond them that they have

594
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<v Speaker 2>to be part of a you know, part of solving it.

595
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, apathy goes nowhere, advocacy does. And

596
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to be an activist. You can be

597
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.280
<v Speaker 2>an advocate and say I support it, but you know,

598
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<v Speaker 2>it's important to have awareness. I think that what might

599
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<v Speaker 2>be helpful on your website. It would be really good

600
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<v Speaker 2>to see some books suggested reading on this topic. I am,

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<v Speaker 2>as we were talking, one of the people I wish

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to ask you about environmental people in

603
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<v Speaker 2>time you'd love to have met. I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>have met Rachel Carson, Oh, yeah, who wrote Silent Spring,

605
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<v Speaker 2>and she ended up about pesticides and the impact on

606
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 2>health and later died of cancer. And we know that

607
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.320
<v Speaker 2>the use of pesticides does directly impact your health. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have you know, I am a breast cancer survivor,

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<v Speaker 2>so I always wonder, you know, even though I have

610
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<v Speaker 2>the genetic gene if the air in New York after

611
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 2>September eleventh augmented the situation because it was very toxic

612
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>air and a lot of people developed cancer after that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always wonder because I was living fairly close

614
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<v Speaker 2>to ground zero on fourteenth Street, So you wonder about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'd like to have met her. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've made a note to read that book.

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually never read it. I've only heard about it,

618
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<v Speaker 2>which is why I thought reading lists would be helpful

619
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<v Speaker 2>to understand the impact. Who what, Who in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of environmental advocacy or activism would you like to meet

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<v Speaker 2>and why or do you respect? Right now? Why?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, that's a tough question.

623
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<v Speaker 3>Well, one I would.

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<v Speaker 4>Say is Heyhoe, Catherine Hayho Okay, the chief scientist of

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<v Speaker 4>the Nature CONCERNCY. Now, she is a climate scientist who

626
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<v Speaker 4>is also an evangelical that she hails from Texas. I

627
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 4>think she was Canadian originally, but now she's been living

628
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<v Speaker 4>in Texas and she is one of those people who

629
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<v Speaker 4>can connect the dots in a really great way. I mean,

630
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<v Speaker 4>she's a scientist, but be she has the compassion to

631
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<v Speaker 4>reach across the aisle, to reach people who see things differently,

632
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<v Speaker 4>and to even reach to and evangelicals, which is a

633
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<v Speaker 4>group that has historically uh to embrace climate change. Yeah,

634
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<v Speaker 4>and in some cases reticent to even believe that. You know,

635
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<v Speaker 4>the Earth is as old as many scientists say it is.

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<v Speaker 4>But think it'stead that I believe started like around two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand years ago. Any of your evangelical listeners can correct me,

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<v Speaker 4>which which makes it hard for some of our slides,

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<v Speaker 4>because we go back and rush, you know, eight hundred

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<v Speaker 4>thousand years ago, twenty thousand goes to how aberrant today

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<v Speaker 4>is to help them understand. But Katherine Hahoe has a

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<v Speaker 4>book called Saving Nature, which is a wonderful book. And

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<v Speaker 4>Catherine herself is just a force of nature and one

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<v Speaker 4>that is so well respected on the international stage, so

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<v Speaker 4>she would definitely be someone I interested.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll look her up. I'm not familiar with her.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you think about what we're doing, fossil fuels

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<v Speaker 4>are just bits of plant and animal manner that fell

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<v Speaker 4>to the earth millions of years ago, got silted over

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<v Speaker 4>and with time heat and pressure pulled deep underground and

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<v Speaker 4>turned into pools of elemental carbon, which we call oil,

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<v Speaker 4>natural gas, and coal. It was deep underground, and then

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<v Speaker 4>humans came and said, really rich and energy portable, really storable,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to use it, and they created this vibrant

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<v Speaker 4>economy that we all have benefited from. But they were

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<v Speaker 4>taking in that carbon that was deep underground over millions

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<v Speaker 4>and millions of years. I started pumping it up in

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<v Speaker 4>the atmosphere at alarmingly fast rates, as much as forty

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<v Speaker 4>tons of carbon every single year. So that is upsetting

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<v Speaker 4>the balance that always existed, and I don't think people

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<v Speaker 4>have computed that in their brains that what we've done

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<v Speaker 4>is kind of push nature out of the balance that

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<v Speaker 4>has existed since human civilization has been on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's a simple in summarizing that. It's an imbalance

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<v Speaker 2>of nature when nature becomes inbound, and if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at it, it's like your body. When your body becomes

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<v Speaker 2>toxic and imbalanced, you get sick.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I guess you would would say that. I guess

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<v Speaker 4>what I would say is we're putting it into a

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<v Speaker 4>different balance, and one that our species isn't suited for,

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<v Speaker 4>because nature goes in and out of different balances all

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<v Speaker 4>the time. And the fact that she happens to have

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<v Speaker 4>lingered at the sixty degrees fahrenheit kind of typical temperature

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<v Speaker 4>for the last ten thousand years was lucky for us

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<v Speaker 4>because it's really good for our species. But it's not

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<v Speaker 4>like that's where nature wants to revert back to. So

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<v Speaker 4>if we knock the temperatures up to higher temperatures. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not like nature wants to come back to that balance point.

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<v Speaker 4>So I guess, I guess you're right and thinking that

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<v Speaker 4>we're making her sick, But I think it's more that

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<v Speaker 4>we're knocking her into a space that is no longer

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<v Speaker 4>suitable for us.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's a great way to explain it to people

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<v Speaker 2>that it's beyond them for some when you get into

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<v Speaker 2>science and the word fossil fuel, which I quickly looked

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<v Speaker 2>up while you were talking, because there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who don't know what fossil fuel is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there are terms that are confusing, which also

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<v Speaker 2>would be helpful, is like what the terms mean, because

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<v Speaker 2>I looked up a few while we were talking, because

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<v Speaker 2>you want to use them correctly, but you want to

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<v Speaker 2>better understand what carbon emissions is. You know, it's bad,

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<v Speaker 2>but what really is it? You know, how is it?

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<v Speaker 2>How is it created? And why is it bad? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>because people talk about cows and the carbon emission, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on and on and on, and I think, uh, delineating

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<v Speaker 2>it and explaining it, which you can do through communication,

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<v Speaker 2>is critical because otherwise people kind of shut down because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't understand right, well.

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<v Speaker 4>So let me let me then give your audience a

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<v Speaker 4>tiny little bit of knowledge on that. So, sure, greenhouse

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<v Speaker 4>gases are critically important to making the planet habitable. Without them,

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<v Speaker 4>were totally frozen. But they only make up a teeny

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<v Speaker 4>tiny portion of our atmosphere, less than one percent. And

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<v Speaker 4>when we talk about green house gases, primarily are talking

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<v Speaker 4>about carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and even water vapor,

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<v Speaker 4>which goes up and down really really fast. So without

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<v Speaker 4>these greenhouse gases, as I said, we wouldn't have enough

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<v Speaker 4>of the solar radiance captured to make us livable. And

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<v Speaker 4>because there's so few of them, when we add to

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<v Speaker 4>them by burning fossil feels really fast.

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<v Speaker 3>We're kind of we call it thickening the.

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<v Speaker 4>Blanket, making them more insulating, if you will, so let

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<v Speaker 4>me rephrase this, Let me stop.

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't good. Let me rephrase this.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So let me explain what greenhouse gases are.

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<v Speaker 3>Greenhouse gases are literally a tiny.

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<v Speaker 4>Portion of our atmosphere that is comprised of these specific

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<v Speaker 4>gases like carbon dioxide, methane, nitros oxide, and even vapor.

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<v Speaker 4>Out of them, we would have a frozen planet. But

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<v Speaker 4>when we add to them, they simply do their jobs

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<v Speaker 4>too well, and that heats up the earth further and

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<v Speaker 4>adds energy into our climate systems.

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<v Speaker 2>You did a very good job explaining it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think you know we were cutting towards the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation here, but I think it's important to underscore

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things. Kathleen begins you. You had a

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<v Speaker 2>prior life. It was successful. You chose to move into

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<v Speaker 2>another dimension of it through your volunteerism, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is really in your community activities that you did after

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<v Speaker 2>you left your full time job to care for your family.

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<v Speaker 2>You found a purpose and passion to help create conversations

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<v Speaker 2>around something that is important to all of us, which

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<v Speaker 2>is climate change. It's not political, it's not actism. Its

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<v Speaker 2>awareness and advocacy to help people in different communities understand

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<v Speaker 2>that climate change is going to impact you everyone, all

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<v Speaker 2>of us, whether it's your health, your safety, your environment,

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<v Speaker 2>your pocket book, your ability to find work if you

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<v Speaker 2>are going somewhere and the jobs are ount because people

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<v Speaker 2>go elsewhere, it basically affects your life. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>think it doesn't, you really are mistaken. And it's time

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<v Speaker 2>to understand it. Even if you understand it in the

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<v Speaker 2>basic way, like you explain that, it is important because

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<v Speaker 2>even long after you and I are gone, you've got children.

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<v Speaker 2>It will impact them. And really, at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, you know, you want to leave the world

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<v Speaker 2>in a better place.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, indeed, I think all of us want to leave

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<v Speaker 4>the world at least as good as we were given

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<v Speaker 4>it for our kids exactly. And that's a universal feeling

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<v Speaker 4>really across the island and across the and I think

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<v Speaker 4>that is one of the driving forces that gets people

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<v Speaker 4>to the table to understand this risk.

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<v Speaker 2>Right well, you know, thank you for making the comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>pushing the conversation forward, because without that important skill of communication,

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<v Speaker 2>it would just go under the you know, into the heap,

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<v Speaker 2>as they say, with with other waste and things that

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<v Speaker 2>people do. Oh, that's messy. I don't want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it. No, it's not. It is messy, and you

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<v Speaker 2>do want to talk about it. And sometimes it's very

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<v Speaker 2>important to talk about very messy, difficult things so that

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<v Speaker 2>we can understand how they impact us. So we've been

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<v Speaker 2>talking to we're going to you know, Kathleen Biggins, who

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<v Speaker 2>has founded Sea Change, It's Sea Dash Change Conversations dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a nonprofit and you can actually go on

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<v Speaker 2>the site and ask to have a speaker come to you.

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<v Speaker 2>You've talked to twenty two thousand people in thirty thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three states. It looks like it looks like Alabama needs

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<v Speaker 2>some work here, Alabama and most of the Midway in

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<v Speaker 2>the Rocky Mountains could use some help. But it's good

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<v Speaker 2>to see how far you have come. Congratulations on this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wish you all the best moving the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>forward even more.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank you, Melanie. It's been a.

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<v Speaker 2>Pleasure, absolutely so you've been listening to Fearless Fabulous you.

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<v Speaker 2>I will post this show on my site, my page

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<v Speaker 2>and on LinkedIn and everywhere else to share it with

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<v Speaker 2>you as well. And I hope this has really raised

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<v Speaker 2>your awareness but also your idea of why it matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it does. And as I always like to say

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<v Speaker 2>on the show at the end, you know you have

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<v Speaker 2>one life. You can choose to live it on your

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<v Speaker 2>terms or on terms that people set for you. I

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<v Speaker 2>chose a long time ago to live on my terms

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<v Speaker 2>and I choose fearless and fabulous, and I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>do too. Thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>The St.