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<v Speaker 1>In the quiet, picturesque community of portopic Nova, Scotia. The

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<v Speaker 1>night of April eighteenth, twenty twenty began like any other,

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<v Speaker 1>a time for relaxation and family. But as the clock

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<v Speaker 1>ticked past ten pm, an unfathomable terror was unleashed. A

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<v Speaker 1>man clad in a police uniform navigated the darkened streets

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<v Speaker 1>with a sinister purpose. Over the next thirteen hours, his

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<v Speaker 1>rampage would leave twenty two people dead and an entire

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<v Speaker 1>province reeling in shock and confusion.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Nicole, my name's Ben, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning podcast seminarial for mature audience listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Just question this that.

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<v Speaker 1>We got nothing to open here? Cans of sorts?

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, I've got a coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>We should be drinking Mimosa's. It's the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>We could be drinking mimosas.

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<v Speaker 1>Have we ever drank mimosas on the podcast before? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I know, I'm unsure.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like mimosas. I like Mimosa's a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I also like Margarita's a lot. Break those in the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to choice, what would it be?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Margarita is yeah, yeah, Margaret, But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, I'm backtracking here, because they each have their

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<v Speaker 2>own like vibe to them, you know. Yeah, they like

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<v Speaker 2>if I were to have a Margarita in a mimosa

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<v Speaker 2>situation and then a mimosa and a Margarita situation, like,

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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't work as well when I feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have mimosas all day. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you could really drink margerite in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, try me try.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>If it was yes, we've done it, We've done it.

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<v Speaker 2>It does hit good. But mimosas, I don't know. They

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<v Speaker 2>have their certain place. If I had to pick, I

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<v Speaker 2>would pick Margarita's really okay, it would be it would

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<v Speaker 2>be a detriment to my life if I had to

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<v Speaker 2>sacrifice one of the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we are going to probably have some beverages a

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<v Speaker 1>little later because we are going to be hitting up

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<v Speaker 1>a lake.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, lake day. We're going to take the doges. They're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go out and maybe do a bit of swimming.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole's going to do some paddle born in. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to do some drinking. Maybe good, Maybe Margarita Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's supposed to be like twenty seven degrees or something

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<v Speaker 1>here today, Celsius Celsius, Yeah, going to take advantage of that.

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding. So it'll be a good day for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we got a bit of a heavy case here.

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<v Speaker 2>You're presenting, I am presenting. Holy shit, been a while.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of day is it today? Yeah? I know

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<v Speaker 1>that's brutal, but yeah, we're finally covering the Nova Scotia

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooting, which has been on my list for some time.

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<v Speaker 1>One I like have been putting off for some time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot to it, but I think I've like

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<v Speaker 1>it could be numerous episodes, but I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 1>streamlined it. You know, it's gonna be a good one

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<v Speaker 1>one episode for this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome. So yeah, I do know there's some people who

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna be listening to this and going to probably

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<v Speaker 2>be shouting as this case occurs, specifically talking about Larissa.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, because we've already chatted about this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I mean of most Canadians, like it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty brutal day.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh was it ever?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And then also those who were involved with RCMP, the

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<v Speaker 2>authorities and stuff. It's heavy for them a little extra

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<v Speaker 2>even as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I ain't that the truth?

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<v Speaker 2>Eh, Yeah, So I know about this case, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do not know a lot of the details. So I

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<v Speaker 2>am excited to hear what you have brought to the

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<v Speaker 2>table on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean I knew most of everything, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's like the tiny bit. It's like a refresher

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<v Speaker 1>you can't remember, and we're going to go over over

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<v Speaker 1>the victims and stuff, right, So that's good, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Gabriel Wortman, I might end up calling him

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<v Speaker 1>Wartman because for some reason, like I was just always

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<v Speaker 1>pronouncing his name Wartman, and he like fit being a

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<v Speaker 1>wort So I just like, but any it is Wortman.

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<v Speaker 1>If I say Wartman, I apologize. So his rampage began

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<v Speaker 1>on April eighteen, twenty twenty, in the small rural community

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<v Speaker 1>of portapic Porta Pick is home to approximately one hundred individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's very very small, a population that does increase

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<v Speaker 1>to about two fifty residents in the summer. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was ten oh one pm, a time when the day's

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<v Speaker 1>activities are winding down and individuals may be settling into

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<v Speaker 1>a quiet like more relaxed routine right, perhaps watching TV,

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<v Speaker 1>reading or spending time with family.

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<v Speaker 2>Or drinking and marcurite, yeah or mimosa.

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<v Speaker 1>However, for the Blair household, this peaceful evening turned into

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<v Speaker 1>a night of chaos and terror when they were the

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<v Speaker 1>first victims of Wortman's rampage. The Blair boys, aged ten

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<v Speaker 1>to twelve, were playing a video game when they heard

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<v Speaker 1>their father, Greg yell, what the fuck are you doing

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<v Speaker 1>with a gun?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Next they heard a shot as Greg was killed steps

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<v Speaker 1>from the family's front door. Jamie, Greg's wife and mother

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<v Speaker 1>to the boys, ran inside the house to gather her

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<v Speaker 1>children and call nine one one. They hid in the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie using her body as a shield to guard the

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom door from the inside of the room. As the

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<v Speaker 1>boys hid behind the bed. Wortman shot numerous times right

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<v Speaker 1>through the bedroom door, killing Jamie in front of her sons.

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<v Speaker 1>He then prepared to light the Blair family home on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>He turned the propane stove on and scattered hot dog

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<v Speaker 1>and Hamburger buns on top of the flaming element, and

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<v Speaker 1>littered logs from the woods store over the floor. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>the boys did realize what was happening and they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to escape, running into the woods and eventually over

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<v Speaker 1>to a neighbor's to seek help. Jamie was the first

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<v Speaker 1>to alert the RCMP of what was happening in Portapic.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you know, she was shot, and no one, not

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<v Speaker 1>even the RCMP, could have anticipated the tear that would

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<v Speaker 1>unfold over the next thirteen hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is a wild start. Yeah, dang, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I ever actually knew of the story of

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<v Speaker 2>the first victimized family. Yeah, like I knew, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the story that that unfolds a bit, like the rampage

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, but I never I don't think I ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard the story of the first family.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wow, okay, yeah, super sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad the boys got out though.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I know, and just like like that mom, hey

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<v Speaker 1>like just used her body as like a complete shield

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<v Speaker 1>to like protect her boys. Like that is I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's parenthood right there. But it just like it makes

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<v Speaker 1>your stomach turn. Yeah, yeah, it really does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I don't really want to, but we got

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<v Speaker 1>to look at who Gabriel Wortman is and his story

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<v Speaker 1>because it's needed to be told as part of this story, right.

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<v Speaker 2>To really try and understand what the fuck happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So Wortman grew up in a troubled home environment,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was suggested that him and his mother were

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<v Speaker 1>abused by his father, Paul Wortman. One particular incident that

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<v Speaker 1>I read this is brutal, said Paul didn't think his

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<v Speaker 1>son was taking care of their family dog properly, like

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<v Speaker 1>as he should, and so he actually made his son,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabrielle gabriel whatever, shoot the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh snap, yeah, wow, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even imagine. And that was said by Wortman's uncle,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wondered, like what would that do to a kid?

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<v Speaker 1>And I kind of wonder the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's like that Old Yeller scene. But that's I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Old Yeller Will like had fucking rabies and shit,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like, you gotta do something, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>put him out of his misery. Yeah, this is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not taking care of the dog. Shoot him. He's

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly fine. This is solely on you kids. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't take care of Oh, you gotta kill a.

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<v Speaker 1>Whole traumatize the baka to you for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I do want to clarify it. So it's not

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<v Speaker 2>solely on the kid. That's probably the perspective of the

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<v Speaker 2>time I was being put on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, oh yeah. So family members described a legacy

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<v Speaker 1>of violent spanning generations. Wortman's uncles recounted their own traumatic

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<v Speaker 1>experiences with their father, so that would have been Workman's grandfather,

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<v Speaker 1>highlighting a cycle of abuse. Despite his chaotic upbringing, Workman

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<v Speaker 1>established a successful career as a denturist in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia.

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<v Speaker 1>He was known for his meticulous work and had a

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<v Speaker 1>steady client base. He did well for himself financially. His

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<v Speaker 1>net worth was act actually just over two million from

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<v Speaker 1>the properties and businesses that he owned, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a long term relationship with his common lost pousset Lisa Banfield,

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<v Speaker 1>but their relationship was flawed by domestic violence and control issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa was actually the very start of Workman's rampage. Just

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<v Speaker 1>before arriving at the Blairs, Workman assaulted and bound Lisa up.

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<v Speaker 1>She however, did manage to escape as well and hidden

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<v Speaker 1>the woods through the night. Wortman did have numerous instances

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<v Speaker 1>of threatening behavior towards others, including violent outbursts and a

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<v Speaker 1>known history of domestic abuse. Workman had previously pleaded guilty

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<v Speaker 1>to assault in two thousand and two and was sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to nine months of probation in which he was prohibited

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<v Speaker 1>from having weapons in order to undergo anger management counseling.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also involved in two civil lawsuits over property disputes,

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<v Speaker 1>one in two thousand and four and one in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The disputes highlighted Workman's manipulative behavior, especially in regards to

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<v Speaker 1>real estate transactions. So I'll touch on the one. The

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<v Speaker 1>one in two thousand and four, he had offered to

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<v Speaker 1>help a friend out who was struggling financially and about

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<v Speaker 1>to lose their home. But what Workman actually did. He

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<v Speaker 1>discreetly took ownership of the friends home and then later

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<v Speaker 1>sold the property.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. What a dick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, this guy, I feel like is like a

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<v Speaker 1>super dick. No kid, Well, obviously he's he's more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's clearly like you're like offered to help your

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<v Speaker 1>friend out and then you do that, Like that's the

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<v Speaker 1>bullshit right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also suggested that Workman struggled with alcohol use

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<v Speaker 1>and with the start of COVID nineteen because at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>like we were about a month in two the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada. Yea, his business was negatively affected by the

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<v Speaker 1>tank the pandemic, which had forced all non essential dentrist

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<v Speaker 1>services in Nova Scotia to close. So the pandemic kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like consumed him. He went about stockpiling supplies. He

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<v Speaker 1>made hefty bank withdrawals like thousands upon that, like hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of dollars, and went about being well armed

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<v Speaker 1>even though he didn't actually like he couldn't have weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he didn't have the what is it possession and

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<v Speaker 1>acquisition license? Yeah, pl Yeah, so he didn't have one

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<v Speaker 1>of those for the purchase of his weapons, but he

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<v Speaker 1>still stockpiled them.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, I wonder how he was getting weapons without

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<v Speaker 2>having a pal. Well money, right, yes, money does talk

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that is a big ol'd pile of shit

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<v Speaker 1>basically that I just stumped on you about Wortman. But

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm pretty sure most other people believe, is Wortman's

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<v Speaker 1>fascination with lawment to the extent that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>hobby for him. According to Wortman's yearbook, he'd aspired to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he probably resented them because he's all like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm better than you. Why are you? Like you're not? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're I could have been a cop if I wanted to, totally

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<v Speaker 2>like one of those old school situations where it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the uh, the college football guy who never actually made

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<v Speaker 2>I would have made it, but the coach and I

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, I could have done that, like that

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I think too it might be something that

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably so.

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<v Speaker 1>So. He was an avid collector of police memorabilia and

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<v Speaker 1>refurbishing old police cruisers. So over the years prior to

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<v Speaker 1>April eighteenth, Wortman had constructed almost unexact replica RCMP vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>right down to like the decals, you know, the lights

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<v Speaker 1>on top, the divider between like the front and the

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was a replica, which I'm pretty sure is

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<v Speaker 2>highly illegal to do. I think if you do it,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have specific licensing and like permission, and

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<v Speaker 2>then in certain cases you have to like applications to

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<v Speaker 2>even like have this thing shown in like showcases and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't be driving it in the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, like I don't, like, yeah, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>like a like laws per se. But like even some

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<v Speaker 1>were illegal, like the printing of the decals and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but then some of the things that he was able

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase seemed semi easy, like online and stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like people selling things. Yeah, so I don't I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's confusing because it is out there, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone really thought anyone would like go to the

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<v Speaker 1>extent of like completely replicating an ARC fee vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there are replicas there, there's a big community

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<v Speaker 2>within like the automobile world, there's people who want to

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<v Speaker 2>replicate things. They want to go classics new like it's huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but using it as this like you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>your garage and then like using it the way he.

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<v Speaker 2>Does Yeah, well that's what I mean. It's like to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. I'm pretty sure you have to go through

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<v Speaker 2>a very specific set of standards and steps and applications

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<v Speaker 2>to replicate a police vehicle. Yeah, and even if you do,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't just drive it willy nilly, because as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as you do drive it, as soon as you lose

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<v Speaker 2>your leave your driveway, you are impersonating a police totally, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a federal offense.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm just trying to say, like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the things I feel it seemed like it was

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<v Speaker 1>easy to purchase. The decals for one, I know he

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<v Speaker 1>did pretty sketchy because I don't really know if those

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<v Speaker 1>would be something easy to purchase. And then like his

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<v Speaker 1>like a wardrobe to go along with this RCM vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>and those them those things like you can buy online

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<v Speaker 2>No, I totally understand, like you get like this piece here,

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<v Speaker 2>this piece there. I'm just saying, like doing the police

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<v Speaker 2>cruiser thing in itself, that just doing it, whether you

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<v Speaker 2>piece it together or not, is in itself is illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So basically knowing that he was in this replica,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also was dressed the part. You can only

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the chaos that would arise from this rampage, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>Until you approached Wortman, there was no differentiating him from

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<v Speaker 1>a real police officer.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, So we'll go back to the timeline here.

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<v Speaker 1>So Saturday, around ten h five pm next to the Blairs,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa McCully, who was an elementary school teacher, was next

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<v Speaker 1>to be killed as she stepped outside to investigate flames

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<v Speaker 1>rising around the tree line at her neighbor's house. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Blair's house, you know, had got caught on fire

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<v Speaker 1>by Workman. He also had lit his own garage on

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<v Speaker 1>fire as well, so there were like a couple fires

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<v Speaker 1>in the neighborhood at this time. Lisa was a mother

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<v Speaker 1>to two children who she had put to bed for

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<v Speaker 1>the evening prior to her death. She saw a man

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<v Speaker 1>outside dress as an RCMP officer, who she assumed was

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<v Speaker 1>there to assist, so she approached. It was Workman, and

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<v Speaker 1>without hesitation, he shot Lisa. Lisa was described as a

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<v Speaker 1>gifted teacher, and it was said to know Lisa was

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<v Speaker 1>to know life in full color. Lisa's children left alone

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<v Speaker 1>eventually found refuge with the Blair boys, who arrived to

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<v Speaker 1>that home seeking help. The four children called nine to

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<v Speaker 1>one one and sheltered in the basement, waiting for real

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<v Speaker 1>police officers to rescue them, who assured them of a

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<v Speaker 1>safe word to verify their identity when they did arrive.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that is just like, oh my gosh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like heartbreaking that you would have to describe to kids,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that, like, Okay, we'll come, but like this

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<v Speaker 1>is the safe word, so make sure you know that

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<v Speaker 1>you're hearing that before you let us in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I think that's something that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people actually put in practice, like because you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>if they send like Uncle Steve to go pick their

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<v Speaker 2>kids up from school or something like that, and then

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<v Speaker 2>here it's actually stranger or whatever, it's like, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a safe ward in the family. Uncle Steve was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to tell me turtle before he picks me up.

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<v Speaker 2>This supposed Uncle Steve doesn't know the word turtle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting in your car.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I mean I used to run a summer

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<v Speaker 1>camp and like when parents came to pick up driver

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<v Speaker 1>or like the kids from the camp, Like they'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to show us their driver's license, even if it was

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<v Speaker 1>like the kid had been there all week, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>still need to physically see that. And so many parents

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<v Speaker 1>I think, would you know, they'd be frustrated, like they'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to walk back to their car, like are you

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<v Speaker 1>kidding me? I'm just like trying to pick up my kid.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the thing is, it's for the family's benefit, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. I mean because there are sick people out there.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very aware of this, and like you can never

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, all it takes is for someone to impersonate

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<v Speaker 2>someone else. Clearly in this situation, that's what's going on now.

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<v Speaker 2>If someone were to be watching that family and want

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<v Speaker 2>to target their child and impersonate that mother and or father,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you need your driver's license to prove it

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<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what if the mom has a twin or something

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, you know, suffering with mental health disorder or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know has very bad thoughts of what they

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<v Speaker 1>could do to this child.

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<v Speaker 2>So having that driver's license to show or the safety word,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So being that the community was quite small, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a fairly close knit community. As you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple who had also noticed flames drove from up

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<v Speaker 1>the road to investigate. Workman oh I already said this

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<v Speaker 1>he had set his own garage on fire, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was actually what the couple was seeing and driving towards.

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<v Speaker 1>They called nine one one, and while on the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>they spotted an RCMP vehicle at another neighbor's house and

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<v Speaker 1>told the dispatcher there appear to actually be an officer

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<v Speaker 1>already on the scene. Right However, as they drove back home,

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<v Speaker 1>the person in the police car started driving towards them,

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<v Speaker 1>so they rolled down their window to talk, but instead

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<v Speaker 1>of being approached by an officer, the driver right away

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<v Speaker 1>recognized the man as Wortman, who was now shooting at them. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>the driver was hit twice. I'm just kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>not saying his name because he didn't want his name

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<v Speaker 1>being said. But this driver said that he was hit twice,

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<v Speaker 1>one bullet through the shoulder and the other grazing his forehead.

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<v Speaker 1>The driver did manage to drive away and was able

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<v Speaker 1>to inform the arriving RCMP officers this crucial information that

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<v Speaker 1>Wortman was disguised as a police officer and had the

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle to match it. This was at about ten twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six when officers started to arrive in Port a Pic

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<v Speaker 1>and they were already arriving to quite a scene. They

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<v Speaker 1>found bodies on the road in homes as well as

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<v Speaker 1>buildings on fire. It was a scene I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that you could ever have prepared yourself for. Among the

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<v Speaker 1>victims already mentioned, there were another ten victims in Portapic

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<v Speaker 1>to lose their life that night, So I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go through them. So we had Peter and Joy Bond.

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<v Speaker 1>They were long residents who enjoyed their peaceful community. They

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<v Speaker 1>were killed in their home, with their bodies being discovered

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning. Cory Ellison Corey was forty two and

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<v Speaker 1>visiting his father when he was killed. He was legally blind,

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<v Speaker 1>but described as a beautiful soul, someone who had a

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<v Speaker 1>deep love for music and enjoyed outdoor activities. Joline Oliver,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Tuck and their daughter, Emily Tuck. Joline and Aaron's daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>Emily was only seventeen years old. She was passionate about

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<v Speaker 1>playing the fiddle and had plans for her future. Education.

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<v Speaker 1>Was thirty nine and Aarin was forty five. They were

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<v Speaker 1>a young family that had moved from Calgary to Nova Scotia. They,

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<v Speaker 1>like many of the others, were neighbors of Workman, so

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<v Speaker 1>knew him. Aarin had apparently known about Workman's Replica Cruiser.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a mechanic, so I don't know if like

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<v Speaker 1>Wortman had asked him things or whatever, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>discussed reporting it but he couldn't because Workman had threatened him.

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<v Speaker 1>So Don Mattson and Frank Gulukin Sorry if I'm pronouncing

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<v Speaker 1>that wrong. The couple had been together in Portabit since

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of twenty nineteen, so like this is they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even been you know, for a whole year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was just after Dawn had retired from her

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<v Speaker 1>job as a dietary aid. Frank had renovated their home

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<v Speaker 1>in Port A pic for their retirement. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>they had had the home previously, but he had like

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<v Speaker 1>meticulously renovated like their dream retirement home, right, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was set ablaze by Workman after he killed the couple.

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<v Speaker 1>They were described as dedicated and loving individuals, a coworker

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<v Speaker 1>describing Don as a beam of sunshine.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, it hurt, Yeah, it just like it makes your

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<v Speaker 1>heart feel real tight, Elizabeth Joanne Thomas and John zeal So.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Don and Frank, Joanne and John chose porta Pic

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<v Speaker 1>as their retirement home. Like it was a community that

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<v Speaker 1>people kind of wanted to retire and it was like beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>right yep. The couple raised two boys together. John was

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<v Speaker 1>a US Navy veteran, and both of them worked on

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<v Speaker 1>charity product projects together, providing food and laundry services for

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<v Speaker 1>the homeless. Their son described their mother as a living

421
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<v Speaker 1>walking angel.

422
00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

423
00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Their home was also set ablaze by Wortman.

424
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<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck, Okay, I.

425
00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Know the way that some d seper described I'm like, God,

426
00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:01.240
<v Speaker 1>I can only help, you could only help.

427
00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone would ever fucking describe me like that,

428
00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:04.119
<v Speaker 2>I know.

429
00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Like a ray of sunshine, like a living angel. Like

430
00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, these are just like like these people are

431
00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:12.200
<v Speaker 1>good people, right, and they are losing their life for

432
00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:16.559
<v Speaker 1>absolutely no reason at all. Here. Oh so, the man

433
00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:20.039
<v Speaker 1>hint hunt to find Workman continued through the night, and

434
00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:25.160
<v Speaker 1>ultimately the attacks continued. The following morning. Workman had been

435
00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:28.519
<v Speaker 1>able to escape porta Pic. A section of the highway

436
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:32.079
<v Speaker 1>was blocked off, but what police didn't realize. You know,

437
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:35.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe not only a local may have realized this is

438
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.400
<v Speaker 1>that Porta Pick had a back way out a dirt

439
00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:40.480
<v Speaker 1>road along a blueberry field that also led to the highway,

440
00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:43.319
<v Speaker 1>and they did not have that blocked. It was later

441
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.559
<v Speaker 1>determined that Workman escaped out of Porta Pic via this

442
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>route within the hour after the attack, so I think

443
00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.960
<v Speaker 1>it was like twenty minutes after police had even got there,

444
00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and he drove twenty seven kilometers to the community of

445
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.440
<v Speaker 1>de Bert, where he spent the night parked behind a

446
00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:04.440
<v Speaker 1>welding shop before daybreak. Whereman Leftrobert, arriving in the Wentworth

447
00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:10.559
<v Speaker 1>area at about six thirty am. Now I'm sure the RCMP,

448
00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I just got to say they I'm sure they did

449
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.079
<v Speaker 1>the like the absolute best with the skills and resources

450
00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:18.480
<v Speaker 1>they had at the time of the rampage. Like I've mentioned,

451
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, regardless of your job, no one I feel

452
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:24.359
<v Speaker 1>like should have to be prepared to deal with like

453
00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:28.720
<v Speaker 1>this kind of shit, really, right, So, and it's always

454
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:31.160
<v Speaker 1>much easier to think of ideas and better ways of

455
00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>handling something after the fact. But it's something I do

456
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.839
<v Speaker 1>have to touch on because of the amount of criticism

457
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:41.119
<v Speaker 1>they have received in regards to how everything was handled,

458
00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:43.319
<v Speaker 1>and we'll touch on it more thoroughly at the end,

459
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.839
<v Speaker 1>but there's a few things I'll go over for now,

460
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>the first one being the assumption the RCMP apparently made

461
00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in regards to workmen. So by dawn, with no signs

462
00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:59.160
<v Speaker 1>of the gunman, they assumed that he must have taken

463
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:04.440
<v Speaker 1>his own life, which isn't necessarily an unusual outcome after

464
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a violent rampage like this one. They thought they'd find

465
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:11.240
<v Speaker 1>evidence as they went through the rubble of destruction left

466
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>behind by him, but that was very much so not

467
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:24.759
<v Speaker 1>the case. The police were communicating with the public via tweeter, tweeter, tweeter, tweeter, Twitter,

468
00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:27.759
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, it should be called tweeter. I like that better.

469
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.680
<v Speaker 1>You like, well, it's act Twitter now. I know. I'm

470
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.279
<v Speaker 1>just gonna call it Twitter because it was called Twitter

471
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 1>at the time.

472
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<v Speaker 2>Tweeter, I like.

473
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<v Speaker 1>The first announcement regarding the incident went out at eleven

474
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<v Speaker 1>thirty two pm, saying that they were responding to a

475
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>firearms complaint in port A pic and asked people to

476
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>avoid the area and like lock their doors. But at

477
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.839
<v Speaker 1>this time workman was like had already left port A

478
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Pick right. Yeah, So nothing else was released by the

479
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>RCMP until the following morning at eight o two and

480
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>eight fifty four AM. So at aight oh two they

481
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 1>were saying the porta pic situation involves an active shooter.

482
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.119
<v Speaker 1>At eight fifty four, they released a photo of the

483
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:19.839
<v Speaker 1>gunman on Twitter and said he is considered armed and dangerous.

484
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Didn't say anything about him in personating an officer. No,

485
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>so they have an active shooter impersonating an officer And

486
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>they didn't even say much of the information until the

487
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:33.359
<v Speaker 2>following day, and they chose Twitter or tweeter tweeter. Oh,

488
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>that's a good one to actually post. You know what

489
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:38.599
<v Speaker 2>I think in a situation like that, that calls for

490
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.759
<v Speaker 2>like the emergency response system where everyone gets a notification.

491
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:46.440
<v Speaker 1>On their Yeah, that's the thing. Because Broadcast Radio twenty twenty, right, yeah,

492
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:50.960
<v Speaker 1>we had we had that. Yeah, and like a lot

493
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.279
<v Speaker 1>of people, I mean, it's rule like they maybe don't

494
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:57.400
<v Speaker 1>have access to the Internet all the time, or like

495
00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:01.240
<v Speaker 1>it's older individuals that right, aren't the fuck on Twitter?

496
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, radio broadcast the news like people are if

497
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>they don't have like you said, it's rural, maybe they

498
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 2>don't even have Internet access. Yeah, maybe they don't have

499
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.000
<v Speaker 2>cell service. They're probably turning on their TV with the

500
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 2>rabbity ors of the radio. Who knows that's their source

501
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>of getting connected with with media.

502
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean they it's kind of difficult because

503
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe they were thinking that they didn't They weren't sure

504
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>like people had been reporting, right, but they haven't seen

505
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.640
<v Speaker 1>it with their own eyes, so maybe they weren't. I

506
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>don't know what they were thinking about not releasing that.

507
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 1>It's very bizarre.

508
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>But you had a neighbor, yeah, who knew of that

509
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>car thing, who witnessed him saying, yes, I know he

510
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.279
<v Speaker 2>has this car. Yes, I saw him driving the car

511
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>in the uniform. Yes I recognized.

512
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Him because I didn't even really put it in here.

513
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:55.920
<v Speaker 1>But I think the thing that allowed them to release

514
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the full information to the public was that once Lisa,

515
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.799
<v Speaker 1>like the partner, had come forward, she told all of

516
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:05.880
<v Speaker 1>them that he was dressed this way and had this

517
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>replica or seemed p vehicle. So then I don't know

518
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>if that was like, you know, what they needed to

519
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>put it out there, but they did.

520
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Have that, But they already did one thing where like

521
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 2>the RCMP, like the guys on the ground, right they said,

522
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.200
<v Speaker 2>we have a safe word to ensure it's us, not

523
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.880
<v Speaker 2>anyone impersonating. They knew, they knew. Yeah, so whoever, this

524
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.039
<v Speaker 2>fucking higher up person is who's in charge of actually

525
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 2>putting it out to the public.

526
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I know they stalled for some reason.

527
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't. It's not even that they stalled. They

528
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 2>weren't doing their fucking job, because to say the next

529
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>morning it's an active shooter, that's eight ten hours later

530
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:49.279
<v Speaker 2>after the active shooter situation.

531
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>It was eight hours later, right, Yeah.

532
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Because even besides the impersonating officer, they knew active shooter

533
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and they did not tell the public. And when they did,

534
00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 2>they did it on fucking tweeter. Fucking tweeter.

535
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to just continue on with my notes here.

536
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I know we've talked about a bit of it, but no,

537
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>because it it is a problem. Well, let me just

538
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>get We'll get through the section and then we can

539
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 1>say more. But the attacker's disguise and the use of

540
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the replica police vehicle was not released, which is unfortunate

541
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 1>and why people, including the victims' families, are quite upset.

542
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>They're thinking more lives would have been saved if this

543
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>information was released. To the public to not necessarily trust

544
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:34.799
<v Speaker 1>any officer that you're crossing paths with in the area.

545
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>This information wasn't actually released to the public until ten seventeen,

546
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>again via Twitter, and by then Workman had already taken

547
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>many more lives. Fuck and like that. We'll go through

548
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.079
<v Speaker 1>their stories and stuff. But I think some of the people,

549
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 1>like they wouldn't have been in the situations that they

550
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>were if they knew that there was this person going

551
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.160
<v Speaker 1>on a rampage. Yeah, they I don't think they would have.

552
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.319
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of what I figured. Oh boy, holy shit.

553
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.279
<v Speaker 1>So I had mentioned. Wortman arrived in the wet Wentworth

554
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:13.279
<v Speaker 1>area at about six thirty, which is roughly sixty kilometers

555
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 1>from Porta pic where as far as the public is concerned,

556
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.799
<v Speaker 1>is where everyone still thinks Workman is right, yeah, or

557
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.079
<v Speaker 1>he's like deceased there or whatever. But instead he was

558
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 1>heading to a home on a Hunter Road where he

559
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>kills two men and a woman, Alana Jenkins, Sean McLeod

560
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and their neighbor Tom Bagley. Both Alana and Sean were

561
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>corrections officers who did know the killer. Their daughter said

562
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>they would have done anything for anybody, and they always

563
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.079
<v Speaker 1>made sure people felt welcome in their home. So I

564
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily know, I think regardless of if the police

565
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>released Well maybe not though, because if they had released

566
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.319
<v Speaker 1>like who it was and stuff, they might have been

567
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>more on alert, right because they did know of who

568
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 1>he was.

569
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

570
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.519
<v Speaker 1>And then Tom Bagley, he was aged seventy. He was

571
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was

572
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 1>out on his morning walk when he was killed as

573
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>he approached the burning house of his neighbors. He was

574
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>described as a man who wore many hats, an earnest

575
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>storyteller who could keep people captivated until the very end.

576
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:25.119
<v Speaker 1>He was a retired crass rescue firefighter who served for

577
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>ten years in the Royal Canadian Navy. So he went

578
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>to try to go and like help at Atlanta and

579
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.839
<v Speaker 1>Shawn's home, right, wow, And it's just like these little

580
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>communities too, like you're just you go and help your neighbors, right,

581
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.799
<v Speaker 1>and like there's people that are just getting fucked because

582
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:49.559
<v Speaker 1>of that. Chase Workman remained at their home for some time,

583
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 1>no one's really sure why, before killing Lillian his slop

584
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.240
<v Speaker 1>at nine forty three am. So Lillian was sixty five

585
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 1>and she was killed while she was out on her

586
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>morning walk. She was described as a true adventure courageous, generous, determined,

587
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 1>quick witted and gave the best hugs.

588
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Gave the best hug.

589
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 1>Gave the best hug. Holy shit, many people don't most

590
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>people don't give very good hugs.

591
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 2>So this might be I don't know something that a

592
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of people don't really agree with me on, but

593
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that would be an amazing thing to have

594
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>on your grave.

595
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Gave the best hug, gave.

596
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>The best hugs.

597
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yeah. Wortman made his way to a

598
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>home in the glen Holm area, but the residents did

599
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 1>not answer the door and called nine to one one

600
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>saying they knew the shooter. He did adventure leave, so

601
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that was good that they got away or they got

602
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, didn't get killed. I guess god. His next

603
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 1>victims were Kristen Beaton and Heather O'Brien, with Wortman being

604
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:02.519
<v Speaker 1>back into bert If. Both of these victims, it's believed

605
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Workman pulled over their vehicles or like they were pulled

606
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>over and he stopped and then he killed them. These

607
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>murders happened at about ten o eight and the police

608
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>shared publicly at ten seventeen am that the gunman may

609
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>have been appearing to impersonate an officer may have been Yeah,

610
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:26.119
<v Speaker 1>so this these two, for sure, I think you know,

611
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have happened. Kristen worked for the Victorian Order of

612
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Nurses and had been traveling between communities to provide care

613
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>for clients when she was killed in her vehicle. She

614
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 1>was pregnant with her second child.

615
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

616
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Heather O'Brien, age fifty five, was a licensed practical nurse

617
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.839
<v Speaker 1>who also worked with the Victorian Order of Nurses, though

618
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>was on her day off at the time of the murder.

619
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<v Speaker 1>Her family said they would like her to be remembered

620
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 1>for the life she lived, had not the way she died.

621
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>She is defined by her caring and kind spirit, the

622
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.079
<v Speaker 1>way she always rooted for the underdog, and how beautifully

623
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:10.760
<v Speaker 1>she swept through this life. How you do And it's

624
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 1>like brutal, Hey.

625
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is. And it's it comes down to the

626
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>fact that the fucking higher ups didn't do their fucking job.

627
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>All these incredible people are just becoming victims as a

628
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 2>result because someone somewhere decided not to fucking keep the

629
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:29.639
<v Speaker 2>public informed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, okay, so sorry, Well I'm just like Frank,

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<v Speaker 1>like I I'm like one of those people that really

632
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<v Speaker 1>thinks that most people try to do their best, and

633
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<v Speaker 1>you know, and like I think probably most people were

634
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>doing their best that day, but the wrong decision was

635
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<v Speaker 1>made at some point of not releasing everything they knew.

636
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you wonder was it out of fear

637
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:57.519
<v Speaker 1>that they're like, well, we don't want to put this

638
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.440
<v Speaker 1>out there and have like people fear police officers when

639
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>they don't need to, but in this situation, they needed to, right.

640
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 2>So because someone was impersonating them, and there's there's guys

641
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.760
<v Speaker 2>out there wearing the RCMP uniform, right, and they're trying

642
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 2>to help, they're trying to protect, they're trying to get

643
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.559
<v Speaker 2>this guy. But all it takes is one bad apple

644
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 2>to spoil a bunch, as the saying goes, right, and

645
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.039
<v Speaker 2>if you trust the wrong officer at this important time,

646
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 2>you get killed. You get killed. Yeah, so like fucking

647
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:33.840
<v Speaker 2>barricade your doors, we like, get it out there, we

648
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 2>will get this fucking guy. Do not trust art, don't

649
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.119
<v Speaker 2>don't let any RCNP officers into your home unless they

650
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>are accompanied by more than one officer.

651
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

652
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<v Speaker 2>So then you can now guarantee that, yes, it is

653
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<v Speaker 2>not a single person, right, if you see two officers

654
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 2>side by side, you can trust them because they are

655
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.159
<v Speaker 2>vetted for Yeah. Yeah, but as a single officer, do

656
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 2>not trust, do not let them in their home, do

657
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:57.760
<v Speaker 2>not stop.

658
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<v Speaker 1>But I mean it also could have just gone come

659
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:03.159
<v Speaker 1>down to like they just you know, had never experienced

660
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>something like this and just weren't like trained to know

661
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 1>what to do. But like they just think you had

662
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>to have made a decision. So at ten forty nine am,

663
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Constable Chad Morrison was waiting to meet Alleague, a colleague,

664
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<v Speaker 1>unaware Workman was nearby. He was expecting to meet Constable

665
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Heidi Stevenson. Morrison was hit, but thankfully he did manage

666
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 1>to escape. Shortly after, Workman collided head on with incoming

667
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Constable Heidi Stevenson, resulting in a deadly shootout where Stevenson

668
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately lost her life. Fuck. An innocent bystander, Joey Weber,

669
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>who stopped to help, was also killed. Like he witnessed this, stopped,

670
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of probably to help Heidi, I'm assuming,

671
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<v Speaker 1>and Wortman took his life. So Workman then took the

672
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Constable's handgun and Zoe's Joey's vehicle, and he continued southward.

673
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Constable Heidi Stevenson was remembered for her bravery and dedication

674
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.360
<v Speaker 1>to her duty. She was racing to support another officer

675
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 1>in need when she encountered workman. At forty eight years old,

676
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>she was a twenty three year veteran of the Federal

677
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Police Force, and more importantly, she was a mother of two. Joey,

678
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say Zoe, so I don't even.

679
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Joey, you want to say Zoe?

680
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I do Joey thirty six years old. He was out

681
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>running a family errand which, like he probably wouldn't have

682
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.559
<v Speaker 1>been running the morning of April nineteenth. He was described

683
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 1>by a neighbor as always having a good outlook. He

684
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:50.800
<v Speaker 1>always had a big smile, and that can be hard

685
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:55.119
<v Speaker 1>to find in people. Joey missed the birth of his

686
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>fourth daughter, who was born on Christmas Day twenty twenty

687
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>eight months after his death.

688
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck, eight months after his death.

689
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Like his wife would have just like been pregnant.

690
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if he even knew his wife was pregnant. Yeah,

691
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.039
<v Speaker 2>eight months as a possibility, I know.

692
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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Wortman's last and final victim would be Gina Gullette

693
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>at eleven o six am. Gina was fifty four years

694
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 1>old and knew Workman through their shared profession as dentrist.

695
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.679
<v Speaker 1>She was also a two time cancer survivor and described

696
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.679
<v Speaker 1>as a vibrant, dynamic woman and proud mother who will

697
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:43.000
<v Speaker 1>be remembered for her kindness, generosity, and ability to light

698
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 1>up a room. Wortman left Gina's house in her Mazda three,

699
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>so like he's on his to his third vehicle now, right.

700
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>So she survived cancer twice only to have this fucking

701
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 2>asshole killer. Wow.

702
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm okay, I feel like slightly terrible, but

703
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to like recognize each victim with like, you know,

704
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>a little their tiny a little bit of their story, right,

705
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.559
<v Speaker 1>but it just fucking breaks your heart, like it just

706
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>destroys you, no kidding, the little tidbits, like holy heck.

707
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:16.079
<v Speaker 1>So at eleven twenty six am, the manhunt would finally

708
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:21.119
<v Speaker 1>be over. Worktman stopped at the I think it's IVN

709
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Big Stop gas station in Enfield to refuel. RCMP Emergency

710
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Response Team officers also arrived to refuel, and finally, after

711
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>thirteen hours, workman's luck of dodging the police had run out,

712
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>and he was shot dead.

713
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Good.

714
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.760
<v Speaker 1>In addition to the individuals who lost their life, many

715
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 1>others were left physically injured and profoundly affected by the

716
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>traumak his action.

717
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>No, it's right, I can only imagine. Wow. Yeah, fuck,

718
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad he was shot dead. I mean sorry, I.

719
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Am I now well because he shouldn't.

720
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.119
<v Speaker 2>The shit yeah he did. Holy fuck.

721
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't have it in here. I had it

722
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:05.599
<v Speaker 1>in here at one point. So this is a bit weird.

723
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 1>But he had he had killed twenty two people, he'd

724
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>killed two dogs as well, and like he injured numerous others,

725
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 1>both like physically and mentally. And I think he had

726
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.119
<v Speaker 1>injured a couple other dogs as well.

727
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:19.679
<v Speaker 2>Fuck.

728
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.280
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, just like a complete piece of shit.

729
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Wow, the definition of douche canoe really.

730
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:30.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think you know. And something I did

731
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 1>listen to, like we still have a bit more to

732
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.920
<v Speaker 1>go over here. But is it just people like something

733
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 1>can set you off, right, And I think he was

734
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>already like a pretty terrible person. And then I think

735
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 1>COVID just like I don't know, just set them off

736
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>or something right, like I don't know. I don't It's

737
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>it's hard for me to understand how someone can literally

738
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:54.480
<v Speaker 1>just go over a thirteen hour time span and like

739
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:56.079
<v Speaker 1>kill twenty two people.

740
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 2>And not stop to think, well, yeah, like that.

741
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>It's just something like that. It's not right.

742
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>No, no, that he was not fucking right, clearly no.

743
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>In the months following the shooting, the RCMP faced criticism

744
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 1>for their handling of the incident, particularly regarding communication with

745
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 1>the public and response coordination. Families of the victims in

746
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the wider community demanded answers and accountability. Despite initial resistance,

747
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 1>public pressure led to a formal public inquiry, which was

748
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 1>known as the Mass Casualty Commission, to investigate the circumstances

749
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of the shooting and the police response. The inquiry aimed

750
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to provide a comprehensive understanding of the events, the systematic

751
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.840
<v Speaker 1>issues within law enforcement, and to recommend measures to prevent

752
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>similar tragedies in the future. This process involved gathering evidence,

753
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.719
<v Speaker 1>hearing testimonies from witnesses and experts, and examining Workman's background

754
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.559
<v Speaker 1>and interactions with law enforcement meant prior to the attacks,

755
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 1>because he did have like some prior things right and

756
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>also how the fuck was he purchasing all this shit

757
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 1>and not being flagged and stuff? Right, So, the mass

758
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>shooting had a profound impact on the effected communities and

759
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Canada as a whole, and I'm probably I'm sure went

760
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:26.119
<v Speaker 1>beyond Canada too, right, Oh, probably. It sparked a nationwide,

761
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:30.639
<v Speaker 1>nationwide story debate on several critical issues, including gun control,

762
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.480
<v Speaker 1>emergency response, mental health and domestic violence, community healing and support.

763
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.480
<v Speaker 1>So the Mass Casualty Commission's final report, titled they titled

764
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 1>it Turning the Tide Together, was released just last year

765
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 1>on March thirtieth, twenty twenty three, so they took some

766
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:52.159
<v Speaker 1>time with this. The report provides an extensive analysis of

767
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.519
<v Speaker 1>the events surrounding the shooting and offers one hundred and

768
00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>thirty recommendations aimed at improving community safety and prevent similar

769
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.639
<v Speaker 1>tragedies in the future. So I'll just list some of

770
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the key findings from the report. I'm also gonna like

771
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like pretty hefty, right, so we'll make sure that

772
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.400
<v Speaker 1>we we link it if you are interested in learning

773
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:19.119
<v Speaker 1>more like feel free. But yeah, the main are the

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00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 1>ones I'm mentioning here are police and RCMP oversight. The

775
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 1>report calls freaking significant changes in RCMP oversight processes and culture,

776
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.199
<v Speaker 1>emphasizing the need for increased transparency and accountability. It highlights

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00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the importance of improving critical incident response capabilities and enhancing

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00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>every day policing practices.

779
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:44.840
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty vague in all honesty.

780
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean in the report will go in depth

781
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.360
<v Speaker 1>more about correct. I feel like I take that as like,

782
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:56.719
<v Speaker 1>if they know stuff like this person's impersonating a police officer, though,

783
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.079
<v Speaker 1>might release it quicker than eight hours later.

784
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Transparent. Yeah, you gotta fucking communicate. Yeah, Yeah, Like the

785
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.199
<v Speaker 2>guys on the ground, like the guys out there in

786
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.639
<v Speaker 2>their squad cars, like I have, I don't see anything

787
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.760
<v Speaker 2>wrong with what they've done. They they pounded the pavement,

788
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to fucking find this guy. They got into

789
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:17.360
<v Speaker 2>fucking firefights, like people lost their lives. They took him

790
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 2>down finally after thirteen hours. Yeah, but the people behind

791
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:25.400
<v Speaker 2>the computers offered no communication. They put their guys out

792
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.400
<v Speaker 2>there in a risky situation, and they let the public

793
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 2>stay out there in a risky situation and didn't communicate

794
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 2>those two at all. They just let them fucking go

795
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.559
<v Speaker 2>at it, And hopefully we get this guy.

796
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 1>M hm, Well, yeah, because there's there's obviously, like so

797
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.800
<v Speaker 1>much more that happened, like with the RCMP that I

798
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:47.039
<v Speaker 1>haven't mentioned, Like there was even at one point they

799
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>were at a like firehouse or whatever. I think it

800
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:55.440
<v Speaker 1>was like a volunteer firehouse and police thought that workman

801
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:57.719
<v Speaker 1>was there and they were like firing, But then it

802
00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.440
<v Speaker 1>came to me that they were actually just like firing

803
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>at each other. So I mean, like, just I think too,

804
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:05.880
<v Speaker 1>if there's confusion at the top, it just like spirals down.

805
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:07.000
<v Speaker 2>It does, right, it does.

806
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like it's honestly seems it's I feel like I'm

807
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:18.800
<v Speaker 1>surprised more officers didn't get like honestly right. So the

808
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.559
<v Speaker 1>next one was violent or violence prevention. So the commission

809
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:26.559
<v Speaker 1>recommends addressing the root causes a violence, including gender, base

810
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:30.719
<v Speaker 1>and intimate partner violence. It suggests creating a new framework

811
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:36.920
<v Speaker 1>for tracking MASH casualties, strengthening firearm regulations, and appointing a

812
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 1>new gender based violence Commissioner. Okay, and something I don't

813
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:44.760
<v Speaker 1>have in here too, because I know, like our like

814
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Justin Trudeau after this, he like, I don't how would

815
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you word this? But he banned a lot of firearms

816
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:57.719
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. But the thing is is that like workman

817
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.079
<v Speaker 1>didn't even have a license and he got these anyway, right.

818
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.920
<v Speaker 2>So well, there's a lot of controversy over that in

819
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Canada because yeah, the firearm ban and it bans the

820
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:12.480
<v Speaker 2>legal purchase is what it does. It bans the legal ownership.

821
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:14.679
<v Speaker 2>But people get it anyways if they.

822
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Want, right, because this wouldn't have affected workmen. I don't

823
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:21.800
<v Speaker 1>think like he got these anyway, right yep. So community safety,

824
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 1>the report advocates for a more collaborative model of community

825
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:31.159
<v Speaker 1>safety where multiple partners work together beyond just police services.

826
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:35.119
<v Speaker 1>It's emphasizing the need for increased mental health services, new

827
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>community safety and well being laws, and promoting bystander intervention.

828
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Public alerting and communication. Okay, so here where are? A

829
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:48.760
<v Speaker 1>National review of public alerting systems is recommended to ensure

830
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>timely and effective communication during emergencies because the thing I

831
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:56.920
<v Speaker 1>just thought of too, like there's we get texts say

832
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.840
<v Speaker 1>in BC or whatever if like a child is missing,

833
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Amber learned right, Yeah, and they do release that before

834
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 1>they probably have all the details because they're like, holy shit,

835
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.159
<v Speaker 1>we got to like get this kid, and they know,

836
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:10.800
<v Speaker 1>like the quicker they put this out like, the longer

837
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.239
<v Speaker 1>the kid's missing, the chances of finding the kids decreases, right,

838
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:18.719
<v Speaker 1>And so they put that out there without like really

839
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:22.159
<v Speaker 1>thinking it through. I think, right and having all the information.

840
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.440
<v Speaker 2>There's a standard that's been set. Yeah, you need to

841
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:27.519
<v Speaker 2>follow that standard, and that standard should go across the

842
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:34.199
<v Speaker 2>board in any situation, not like there's a public safety issue.

843
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 2>That public safety issue, no matter the situation should be followed.

844
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:42.079
<v Speaker 2>A specific standard of regulations and legislation and steps need

845
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 2>to be followed.

846
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 1>And I did read something too. I think the police

847
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 1>with Twitter or tweeter or whatever x was, they were

848
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of hoping that the media would take it upon

849
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:55.280
<v Speaker 1>themselves to be spreading things.

850
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.119
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is that's not their fuck, it's.

851
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Still the same. The way that they could have gone

852
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.800
<v Speaker 1>out there the most was literally if they just did

853
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:04.840
<v Speaker 1>an alert on people's phones.

854
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, or maybe they contact the media. Sorry, I didn't

855
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:08.400
<v Speaker 2>mean to drop to you.

856
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:13.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So yeah, I do think like there

857
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.199
<v Speaker 1>was a bit of backpedaling. That is.

858
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.400
<v Speaker 2>That that's gross negligence, is what that is? Oh, the

859
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.039
<v Speaker 2>media will pick it up and spread it for us. No,

860
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 2>that is that is gross negligence. On that department in

861
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:32.119
<v Speaker 2>the RCMP to say, uh, they'll just do it for us. No,

862
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 2>that's your fucking job.

863
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 1>And no, okay, And the last one I was going

864
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>to touch on was ongoing accountability. The report calls for

865
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:46.400
<v Speaker 1>an implementation and mutual accountability body to oversee the progress

866
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:50.280
<v Speaker 1>of the recommendations and ensure all levels of government, RCMP

867
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:56.280
<v Speaker 1>and organizations are being held accountable. But yeah, so that's

868
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the case of the Nova Scotia mass shooting.

869
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming no one was no one in the RCMP

870
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.880
<v Speaker 2>was fined or saw jail time as a result.

871
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, No, I think yes. So I believe that victims

872
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.119
<v Speaker 1>had sued workmen like his estate and stuff because I

873
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:21.639
<v Speaker 1>said he was a well off, and I believe that

874
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:27.280
<v Speaker 1>they did. Also there was a lawsuit against the RCMP,

875
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.440
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not sure if they if it hasn't been

876
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:32.440
<v Speaker 1>released what happened yet, or if I just didn't come

877
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.360
<v Speaker 1>across that, okay, because mostly what I came across was

878
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:40.480
<v Speaker 1>like this mass casually commissions, like final report, right, because.

879
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Within that report, I'm surprised that like, and I have

880
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to clarify this, like my knowledge is within the province

881
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 2>of British Columbia. So I don't know if it applies

882
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>a little bit differently within other provinces like Nova Scotia

883
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.719
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, but there is something with gross

884
00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:02.599
<v Speaker 2>negligence in regards to safety. If someone is found grossly negligent,

885
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:05.519
<v Speaker 2>they can be fined, and I believe their first incident

886
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:08.039
<v Speaker 2>is up to one hundred thousand dollars or a year

887
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 2>in jail with and that's work safe So that's usually

888
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.800
<v Speaker 2>employees and stuff like if an employee gets injured. But

889
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure since this is a public servant and

890
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:20.519
<v Speaker 2>this is like their job is to look after the public,

891
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 2>it should apply in a similar situation. So someone to say, hey,

892
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.320
<v Speaker 2>you know what, news sources are going to pick it up. Hey,

893
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:29.719
<v Speaker 2>we'll just post on Twitter tomorrow morning and see what happened.

894
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.800
<v Speaker 2>That's gross negligence. And I'm surprised no one had to

895
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.360
<v Speaker 2>suffer any repercussions for that gross negligence.

896
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, because I don't now that. I'm just

897
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:41.559
<v Speaker 1>like thinking, I know that I saw the lawsuits, but

898
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I never really saw what the outcome of them were,

899
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.760
<v Speaker 1>and it could be even something that they're like hiding

900
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.440
<v Speaker 1>because I know in this case there was a lot

901
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of things they didn't even like they did the inquiry

902
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:53.599
<v Speaker 1>and stuff that they did. They didn't even want that

903
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to be public, but there was just so much heat

904
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.639
<v Speaker 1>on them that it ended up having to be. So Yeah,

905
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I could been even something that they they don't release right, or.

906
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:04.800
<v Speaker 2>They could be dragging it out and it could still

907
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.280
<v Speaker 2>be going on in all honesty. Yeah, yeah, so that's fucked.

908
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

909
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the whole case is just like a basket of shit.

910
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a basket of upper management ship. The bed

911
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.400
<v Speaker 2>is what it is. The shitty poutine, it's a shitty poutine.

912
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:26.840
<v Speaker 2>We're Canadian. We say poutin putin pin now we even

913
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 2>so do I know it's pronounced poutin. I know that

914
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 2>because it's French. But I also don't say croissant. I

915
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:37.159
<v Speaker 2>say croissant, you know. Yeah, so it's I say poutine

916
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.679
<v Speaker 2>unless I really want to get fancy and show off,

917
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:41.519
<v Speaker 2>then I will flex my potin.

918
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just so unfortunate how long it went on

919
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and how many people lost their lives, and in these

920
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:51.400
<v Speaker 1>like such small communities too that I feel like, you know,

921
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.440
<v Speaker 1>bigger centers and cities and stuff, shit happens all the time. Yeah,

922
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.079
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, I'm not saying like it's easier

923
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.119
<v Speaker 1>to get over anything, but I just feel like it

924
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:03.960
<v Speaker 1>might hit a bit more in these communities because, for example,

925
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:06.800
<v Speaker 1>like Vancouver, look at how many shit things happen in there. Right,

926
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.719
<v Speaker 1>But if we're to google port a pic, this is

927
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna come up, right Yeah. So I mean you google Vancouver,

928
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.840
<v Speaker 1>not all the shit that happens to Vancouver comes up.

929
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.800
<v Speaker 1>So it overtakes almost like these small rural communities.

930
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, and we don't expect these things to happen in

931
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 2>these rural communities, right, Yeah, a lot of people moved

932
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 2>these communities to get away from crime rates. Look at

933
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:29.119
<v Speaker 2>the story of j. C. Duger that we just covered recently. Yeah,

934
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.760
<v Speaker 2>her family moved to this area to a nice safe

935
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 2>area to bring up the family, and then jac gets

936
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>kidnapped and fucking held camped it for eighteen years.

937
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Like what?

938
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the entire point was to be safer, and now

939
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.239
<v Speaker 2>you have this big old fucking stain on this little

940
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 2>perfect community that was once a haven for so many people. Oh.

941
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I know, anyway, I think we really need a like

942
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:53.920
<v Speaker 1>day after this one.

943
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Eh, Yeah, no kidding, I'm wishing I had some stuff

944
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to put in my coffee right now.

945
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:02.239
<v Speaker 1>We actually even had that forever.

946
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:04.280
<v Speaker 2>No, we haven't had Irish cream for a long time.

947
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you finished it off, and I

948
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:07.639
<v Speaker 2>was just like, well, I'm not going to get it

949
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:10.119
<v Speaker 2>anymore because I was drinking it too much, too well.

950
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I was really drinking there, Yeah you were. I don't

951
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 1>even have about chocolate right now because it was like

952
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.440
<v Speaker 1>so nice. I don't drink coffee, so I have chocolate

953
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.719
<v Speaker 1>with carolines. But also that's like starting your day with

954
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.000
<v Speaker 1>three inner calories, which is probably not a good thing.

955
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.079
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, no, I made myself a rule. I wasn't

956
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 2>allowed Irish cream unless it was the weekends. Yeah yeah, okay, well,

957
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.480
<v Speaker 2>good job on that. Thank you very much for making

958
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.519
<v Speaker 2>me angered at the upper management system once again in

959
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 2>another freaking way, because people just shit the bed and

960
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.599
<v Speaker 2>let that shit roll downhill and it affects people and

961
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 2>they don't really think about it or care. So cool.

962
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Thanks, Well, we can only hope that they care. Maybe

963
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 1>they just made a mistake that they're very much so

964
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:53.639
<v Speaker 1>paying for now.

965
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I know there's at least one person out there who

966
00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:00.000
<v Speaker 2>is responsible for the way this shit played out because

967
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.039
<v Speaker 2>because they are the ones who made the fucking call.

968
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.280
<v Speaker 2>And I hope they fucking know what the results were

969
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.519
<v Speaker 2>of their decision. And I hope they hope that fucking

970
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 2>haunts them for the rest of their life. I'm sure

971
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:14.480
<v Speaker 2>it would fucking better. Yeah, And I hope that they

972
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:19.039
<v Speaker 2>pay for it in not necessarily jail time, but monetary

973
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:20.800
<v Speaker 2>as well, you know, get fined or go to jail.

974
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.639
<v Speaker 2>I hope something fucking comes of it, and I hope.

975
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>It fucking haunts well, maybe they lost their job or something.

976
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh no, you.

977
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Know, Oh my gosh, Okay, we got to losing your.

978
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Job, it's nothing compared to people losing their fucking life and.

979
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Is now going on a round page. We got we

980
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:35.760
<v Speaker 1>gotta piece out here.

981
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I'm angry, You're very angry. We're very fucking angry.

982
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Very That was my fucking job before, is going through

983
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.400
<v Speaker 2>safety and regulations and looking after the ship. And I've

984
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:49.280
<v Speaker 2>seen how people don't care, and so that's all I

985
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.000
<v Speaker 2>see in the situation again, is upper management not giving

986
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>a fuck.

987
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:56.199
<v Speaker 1>We live in a world. If it doesn't affect them personally,

988
00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:58.599
<v Speaker 1>it's not important, you know, exactly.

989
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:03.400
<v Speaker 2>So sorry, I'm I'm done ranting, done raving.

990
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we're gonna go get Ben and Margarita here.

991
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe we will Margarita and a mimosa. I'll double fist.

992
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we should put a photo on Patreon Ben

993
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:14.480
<v Speaker 1>on the beach like that.

994
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Eh maybe? Okay, Well, sorry, thank you you did an

995
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:20.639
<v Speaker 2>amazing job. Are you gonna do the whole spiel on

996
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.800
<v Speaker 2>things below and links and stuff I can? Yeah, got it?

997
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:26.000
<v Speaker 1>You got first of all, like, thank you for being here,

998
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 1>regardless how you're supporting us. We really do appreciate it.

999
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:30.119
<v Speaker 2>We do.

1000
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.079
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we have Instagram where I'm sure I'll post

1001
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.800
<v Speaker 1>a photo to about this case we have do we

1002
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 1>have X? We have X, but we're not active on there.

1003
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.519
<v Speaker 1>We have Facebook. You can contact us via email and

1004
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.199
<v Speaker 1>if you'd like to sign up as a patron, we

1005
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.920
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate that. Yeah, and you know, maybe later I'll

1006
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 1>post a photo of Ben double fisting.

1007
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe. I probably gotta drive though, so I doubt

1008
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:55.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll be double fisting, but we'll see. But yeah, all

1009
00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:57.079
<v Speaker 2>the links are in the description of the podcast, so

1010
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:58.280
<v Speaker 2>feel free to go check them out.

1011
00:55:58.440 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and until next time.

1012
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Until next time, stay wicked.