Speaker 1: In the quiet, picturesque community of portopic Nova, Scotia. The
Speaker 1: night of April eighteenth, twenty twenty began like any other,
Speaker 1: a time for relaxation and family. But as the clock
Speaker 1: ticked past ten pm, an unfathomable terror was unleashed. A
Speaker 1: man clad in a police uniform navigated the darkened streets
Speaker 1: with a sinister purpose. Over the next thirteen hours, his
Speaker 1: rampage would leave twenty two people dead and an entire
Speaker 1: province reeling in shock and confusion.
Speaker 2: My name's Nicole, my name's Ben, and you're listening to
Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 1: Good morning podcast seminarial for mature audience listeners.
Speaker 2: Just question this that.
Speaker 1: We got nothing to open here? Cans of sorts?
Speaker 2: Nope, I've got a coffee.
Speaker 1: We should be drinking Mimosa's. It's the morning.
Speaker 2: We could be drinking mimosas.
Speaker 1: Have we ever drank mimosas on the podcast before? I
Speaker 1: don't know, I know, I'm unsure.
Speaker 2: I do like mimosas. I like Mimosa's a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I also like Margarita's a lot. Break those in the podcast.
Speaker 1: You had to choice, what would it be?
Speaker 2: Oh, Margarita is yeah, yeah, Margaret, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm backtracking here, because they each have their
Speaker 2: own like vibe to them, you know. Yeah, they like
Speaker 2: if I were to have a Margarita in a mimosa
Speaker 2: situation and then a mimosa and a Margarita situation, like,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't work as well when I feel like.
Speaker 1: You can have mimosas all day. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if you could really drink margerite in the morning.
Speaker 2: Oh, try me try.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: If it was yes, we've done it, We've done it.
Speaker 2: It does hit good. But mimosas, I don't know. They
Speaker 2: have their certain place. If I had to pick, I
Speaker 2: would pick Margarita's really okay, it would be it would
Speaker 2: be a detriment to my life if I had to
Speaker 2: sacrifice one of the other.
Speaker 1: Well, we are going to probably have some beverages a
Speaker 1: little later because we are going to be hitting up
Speaker 1: a lake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lake day. We're going to take the doges. They're
Speaker 2: going to go out and maybe do a bit of swimming.
Speaker 2: Nicole's going to do some paddle born in. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to do some drinking. Maybe good, Maybe Margarita Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like twenty seven degrees or something
Speaker 1: here today, Celsius Celsius, Yeah, going to take advantage of that.
Speaker 2: No kidding. So it'll be a good day for sure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we got a bit of a heavy case here.
Speaker 2: You're presenting, I am presenting. Holy shit, been a while.
Speaker 1: What kind of day is it today? Yeah? I know
Speaker 1: that's brutal, but yeah, we're finally covering the Nova Scotia
Speaker 1: mass shooting, which has been on my list for some time.
Speaker 1: One I like have been putting off for some time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot to it, but I think I've like
Speaker 1: it could be numerous episodes, but I feel like I've
Speaker 1: streamlined it. You know, it's gonna be a good one
Speaker 1: one episode for this case.
Speaker 2: Awesome. So yeah, I do know there's some people who
Speaker 2: are gonna be listening to this and going to probably
Speaker 2: be shouting as this case occurs, specifically talking about Larissa.
Speaker 2: I know, because we've already chatted about this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean of most Canadians, like it was
Speaker 1: it was pretty brutal day.
Speaker 2: Oh was it ever?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then also those who were involved with RCMP, the
Speaker 2: authorities and stuff. It's heavy for them a little extra
Speaker 2: even as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I ain't that the truth?
Speaker 2: Eh, Yeah, So I know about this case, but I
Speaker 2: do not know a lot of the details. So I
Speaker 2: am excited to hear what you have brought to the
Speaker 2: table on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I knew most of everything, I feel like,
Speaker 1: but there's like the tiny bit. It's like a refresher
Speaker 1: you can't remember, and we're going to go over over
Speaker 1: the victims and stuff, right, So that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Gabriel Wortman, I might end up calling him
Speaker 1: Wartman because for some reason, like I was just always
Speaker 1: pronouncing his name Wartman, and he like fit being a
Speaker 1: wort So I just like, but any it is Wortman.
Speaker 1: If I say Wartman, I apologize. So his rampage began
Speaker 1: on April eighteen, twenty twenty, in the small rural community
Speaker 1: of portapic Porta Pick is home to approximately one hundred individuals,
Speaker 1: so it's very very small, a population that does increase
Speaker 1: to about two fifty residents in the summer. So it
Speaker 1: was ten oh one pm, a time when the day's
Speaker 1: activities are winding down and individuals may be settling into
Speaker 1: a quiet like more relaxed routine right, perhaps watching TV,
Speaker 1: reading or spending time with family.
Speaker 2: Or drinking and marcurite, yeah or mimosa.
Speaker 1: However, for the Blair household, this peaceful evening turned into
Speaker 1: a night of chaos and terror when they were the
Speaker 1: first victims of Wortman's rampage. The Blair boys, aged ten
Speaker 1: to twelve, were playing a video game when they heard
Speaker 1: their father, Greg yell, what the fuck are you doing
Speaker 1: with a gun?
Speaker 2: Oh? Shit?
Speaker 1: Next they heard a shot as Greg was killed steps
Speaker 1: from the family's front door. Jamie, Greg's wife and mother
Speaker 1: to the boys, ran inside the house to gather her
Speaker 1: children and call nine one one. They hid in the bedroom,
Speaker 1: Jamie using her body as a shield to guard the
Speaker 1: bedroom door from the inside of the room. As the
Speaker 1: boys hid behind the bed. Wortman shot numerous times right
Speaker 1: through the bedroom door, killing Jamie in front of her sons.
Speaker 1: He then prepared to light the Blair family home on fire.
Speaker 1: He turned the propane stove on and scattered hot dog
Speaker 1: and Hamburger buns on top of the flaming element, and
Speaker 1: littered logs from the woods store over the floor. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: the boys did realize what was happening and they were
Speaker 1: able to escape, running into the woods and eventually over
Speaker 1: to a neighbor's to seek help. Jamie was the first
Speaker 1: to alert the RCMP of what was happening in Portapic.
Speaker 1: Before you know, she was shot, and no one, not
Speaker 1: even the RCMP, could have anticipated the tear that would
Speaker 1: unfold over the next thirteen hours.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is a wild start. Yeah, dang, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I ever actually knew of the story of
Speaker 2: the first victimized family. Yeah, like I knew, you know,
Speaker 2: the story that that unfolds a bit, like the rampage
Speaker 2: and everything, but I never I don't think I ever
Speaker 2: heard the story of the first family.
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, okay, yeah, super sad.
Speaker 2: I'm glad the boys got out though.
Speaker 1: Well I know, and just like like that mom, hey
Speaker 1: like just used her body as like a complete shield
Speaker 1: to like protect her boys. Like that is I mean,
Speaker 1: that's parenthood right there. But it just like it makes
Speaker 1: your stomach turn. Yeah, yeah, it really does.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't really want to, but we got
Speaker 1: to look at who Gabriel Wortman is and his story
Speaker 1: because it's needed to be told as part of this story, right.
Speaker 2: To really try and understand what the fuck happened?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So Wortman grew up in a troubled home environment,
Speaker 1: and it was suggested that him and his mother were
Speaker 1: abused by his father, Paul Wortman. One particular incident that
Speaker 1: I read this is brutal, said Paul didn't think his
Speaker 1: son was taking care of their family dog properly, like
Speaker 1: as he should, and so he actually made his son,
Speaker 1: Gabrielle gabriel whatever, shoot the dog.
Speaker 2: Oh snap, yeah, wow, Like.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. And that was said by Wortman's uncle,
Speaker 1: and he wondered, like what would that do to a kid?
Speaker 1: And I kind of wonder the same thing.
Speaker 2: Well, that's like that Old Yeller scene. But that's I
Speaker 2: mean Old Yeller Will like had fucking rabies and shit,
Speaker 2: and it was like, you gotta do something, you gotta
Speaker 2: put him out of his misery. Yeah, this is like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're not taking care of the dog. Shoot him. He's
Speaker 2: perfectly fine. This is solely on you kids. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: you didn't take care of Oh, you gotta kill a.
Speaker 1: Whole traumatize the baka to you for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 2: Really, I do want to clarify it. So it's not
Speaker 2: solely on the kid. That's probably the perspective of the
Speaker 2: time I was being put on.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah. So family members described a legacy
Speaker 1: of violent spanning generations. Wortman's uncles recounted their own traumatic
Speaker 1: experiences with their father, so that would have been Workman's grandfather,
Speaker 1: highlighting a cycle of abuse. Despite his chaotic upbringing, Workman
Speaker 1: established a successful career as a denturist in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia.
Speaker 1: He was known for his meticulous work and had a
Speaker 1: steady client base. He did well for himself financially. His
Speaker 1: net worth was act actually just over two million from
Speaker 1: the properties and businesses that he owned, and he had
Speaker 1: a long term relationship with his common lost pousset Lisa Banfield,
Speaker 1: but their relationship was flawed by domestic violence and control issues.
Speaker 1: Lisa was actually the very start of Workman's rampage. Just
Speaker 1: before arriving at the Blairs, Workman assaulted and bound Lisa up.
Speaker 1: She however, did manage to escape as well and hidden
Speaker 1: the woods through the night. Wortman did have numerous instances
Speaker 1: of threatening behavior towards others, including violent outbursts and a
Speaker 1: known history of domestic abuse. Workman had previously pleaded guilty
Speaker 1: to assault in two thousand and two and was sentenced
Speaker 1: to nine months of probation in which he was prohibited
Speaker 1: from having weapons in order to undergo anger management counseling.
Speaker 1: He was also involved in two civil lawsuits over property disputes,
Speaker 1: one in two thousand and four and one in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: The disputes highlighted Workman's manipulative behavior, especially in regards to
Speaker 1: real estate transactions. So I'll touch on the one. The
Speaker 1: one in two thousand and four, he had offered to
Speaker 1: help a friend out who was struggling financially and about
Speaker 1: to lose their home. But what Workman actually did. He
Speaker 1: discreetly took ownership of the friends home and then later
Speaker 1: sold the property.
Speaker 2: Wow. What a dick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, this guy, I feel like is like a
Speaker 1: super dick. No kid, Well, obviously he's he's more than that.
Speaker 1: But it's clearly like you're like offered to help your
Speaker 1: friend out and then you do that, Like that's the
Speaker 1: bullshit right there.
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay.
Speaker 1: It was also suggested that Workman struggled with alcohol use
Speaker 1: and with the start of COVID nineteen because at this point,
Speaker 1: like we were about a month in two the pandemic
Speaker 1: in Canada. Yea, his business was negatively affected by the
Speaker 1: tank the pandemic, which had forced all non essential dentrist
Speaker 1: services in Nova Scotia to close. So the pandemic kind
Speaker 1: of like consumed him. He went about stockpiling supplies. He
Speaker 1: made hefty bank withdrawals like thousands upon that, like hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars, and went about being well armed
Speaker 1: even though he didn't actually like he couldn't have weapons,
Speaker 1: Like he didn't have the what is it possession and
Speaker 1: acquisition license? Yeah, pl Yeah, so he didn't have one
Speaker 1: of those for the purchase of his weapons, but he
Speaker 1: still stockpiled them.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I wonder how he was getting weapons without
Speaker 2: having a pal. Well money, right, yes, money does talk
Speaker 2: fair enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that is a big ol'd pile of shit
Speaker 1: basically that I just stumped on you about Wortman. But
Speaker 1: the real kicker in this case and why it was
Speaker 1: able to escalate in the way it did, I believe,
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure most other people believe, is Wortman's
Speaker 1: fascination with lawment to the extent that it was a
Speaker 1: hobby for him. According to Wortman's yearbook, he'd aspired to
Speaker 1: become a police officer, but his partner said that he
Speaker 1: actually disliked law enforcement and thought that he was better
Speaker 1: than them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably resented them because he's all like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm better than you. Why are you? Like you're not? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're I could have been a cop if I wanted to, totally
Speaker 2: like one of those old school situations where it's like
Speaker 2: the uh, the college football guy who never actually made
Speaker 2: it to pro and all he does is talk about
Speaker 2: I would have made it, but the coach and I
Speaker 2: didn't see eye to eye and my knee gave out,
Speaker 2: like you know, I could have done that, like that
Speaker 2: sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Well, and I think too it might be something that
Speaker 1: he like struggles with, probably authority figures as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably so.
Speaker 1: So. He was an avid collector of police memorabilia and
Speaker 1: refurbishing old police cruisers. So over the years prior to
Speaker 1: April eighteenth, Wortman had constructed almost unexact replica RCMP vehicle,
Speaker 1: right down to like the decals, you know, the lights
Speaker 1: on top, the divider between like the front and the
Speaker 1: back seat, like et cetera.
Speaker 2: Like it was a replica, which I'm pretty sure is
Speaker 2: highly illegal to do. I think if you do it,
Speaker 2: you have to have specific licensing and like permission, and
Speaker 2: then in certain cases you have to like applications to
Speaker 2: even like have this thing shown in like showcases and stuff.
Speaker 2: You can't be driving it in the street.
Speaker 1: Well, no, like I don't, like, yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: it would be legal. I don't really know if there's
Speaker 1: like a like laws per se. But like even some
Speaker 1: of the ways of him getting some of the things
Speaker 1: were illegal, like the printing of the decals and stuff,
Speaker 1: but then some of the things that he was able
Speaker 1: to purchase seemed semi easy, like online and stuff, right,
Speaker 1: like people selling things. Yeah, so I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's confusing because it is out there, but I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone really thought anyone would like go to the
Speaker 1: extent of like completely replicating an ARC fee vehicle.
Speaker 2: You know, there are replicas there, there's a big community
Speaker 2: within like the automobile world, there's people who want to
Speaker 2: replicate things. They want to go classics new like it's huge.
Speaker 1: Okay, but using it as this like you know, in
Speaker 1: your garage and then like using it the way he.
Speaker 2: Does Yeah, well that's what I mean. It's like to
Speaker 2: do that. I'm pretty sure you have to go through
Speaker 2: a very specific set of standards and steps and applications
Speaker 2: to replicate a police vehicle. Yeah, and even if you do,
Speaker 2: you can't just drive it willy nilly, because as soon
Speaker 2: as you do drive it, as soon as you lose
Speaker 2: your leave your driveway, you are impersonating a police totally, yeah,
Speaker 2: which is a federal offense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just trying to say, like a lot
Speaker 1: of the things I feel it seemed like it was
Speaker 1: easy to purchase. The decals for one, I know he
Speaker 1: did pretty sketchy because I don't really know if those
Speaker 1: would be something easy to purchase. And then like his
Speaker 1: uniform and stuff that he was wearing because he had
Speaker 1: like a wardrobe to go along with this RCM vehicle
Speaker 1: and those them those things like you can buy online
Speaker 1: on eBay and stuff.
Speaker 2: No, I totally understand, like you get like this piece here,
Speaker 2: this piece there. I'm just saying, like doing the police
Speaker 2: cruiser thing in itself, that just doing it, whether you
Speaker 2: piece it together or not, is in itself is illegal.
Speaker 2: It's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically knowing that he was in this replica,
Speaker 1: and he also was dressed the part. You can only
Speaker 1: imagine the chaos that would arise from this rampage, right.
Speaker 2: Oh kidding.
Speaker 1: Until you approached Wortman, there was no differentiating him from
Speaker 1: a real police officer.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So we'll go back to the timeline here.
Speaker 1: So Saturday, around ten h five pm next to the Blairs,
Speaker 1: Lisa McCully, who was an elementary school teacher, was next
Speaker 1: to be killed as she stepped outside to investigate flames
Speaker 1: rising around the tree line at her neighbor's house. So
Speaker 1: the Blair's house, you know, had got caught on fire
Speaker 1: by Workman. He also had lit his own garage on
Speaker 1: fire as well, so there were like a couple fires
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood at this time. Lisa was a mother
Speaker 1: to two children who she had put to bed for
Speaker 1: the evening prior to her death. She saw a man
Speaker 1: outside dress as an RCMP officer, who she assumed was
Speaker 1: there to assist, so she approached. It was Workman, and
Speaker 1: without hesitation, he shot Lisa. Lisa was described as a
Speaker 1: gifted teacher, and it was said to know Lisa was
Speaker 1: to know life in full color. Lisa's children left alone
Speaker 1: eventually found refuge with the Blair boys, who arrived to
Speaker 1: that home seeking help. The four children called nine to
Speaker 1: one one and sheltered in the basement, waiting for real
Speaker 1: police officers to rescue them, who assured them of a
Speaker 1: safe word to verify their identity when they did arrive.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is just like, oh my gosh, it's
Speaker 1: just like heartbreaking that you would have to describe to kids,
Speaker 1: you know that, like, Okay, we'll come, but like this
Speaker 1: is the safe word, so make sure you know that
Speaker 1: you're hearing that before you let us in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that's something that a lot of
Speaker 2: people actually put in practice, like because you know, like
Speaker 2: if they send like Uncle Steve to go pick their
Speaker 2: kids up from school or something like that, and then
Speaker 2: here it's actually stranger or whatever, it's like, well, you
Speaker 2: have a safe ward in the family. Uncle Steve was
Speaker 2: supposed to tell me turtle before he picks me up.
Speaker 2: This supposed Uncle Steve doesn't know the word turtle. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not getting in your car.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean I used to run a summer
Speaker 1: camp and like when parents came to pick up driver
Speaker 1: or like the kids from the camp, Like they'd have
Speaker 1: to show us their driver's license, even if it was
Speaker 1: like the kid had been there all week, Like we
Speaker 1: still need to physically see that. And so many parents
Speaker 1: I think, would you know, they'd be frustrated, like they'd
Speaker 1: have to walk back to their car, like are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? I'm just like trying to pick up my kid.
Speaker 1: But like the thing is, it's for the family's benefit, right,
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. I mean because there are sick people out there.
Speaker 1: We're very aware of this, and like you can never
Speaker 1: be too safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, all it takes is for someone to impersonate
Speaker 2: someone else. Clearly in this situation, that's what's going on now.
Speaker 2: If someone were to be watching that family and want
Speaker 2: to target their child and impersonate that mother and or father,
Speaker 2: you know, you need your driver's license to prove it
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what if the mom has a twin or something
Speaker 1: that's right, you know, suffering with mental health disorder or something,
Speaker 1: and you know has very bad thoughts of what they
Speaker 1: could do to this child.
Speaker 2: So having that driver's license to show or the safety word,
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So being that the community was quite small, it
Speaker 1: was a fairly close knit community. As you can imagine,
Speaker 1: a couple who had also noticed flames drove from up
Speaker 1: the road to investigate. Workman oh I already said this
Speaker 1: he had set his own garage on fire, and that
Speaker 1: was actually what the couple was seeing and driving towards.
Speaker 1: They called nine one one, and while on the phone,
Speaker 1: they spotted an RCMP vehicle at another neighbor's house and
Speaker 1: told the dispatcher there appear to actually be an officer
Speaker 1: already on the scene. Right However, as they drove back home,
Speaker 1: the person in the police car started driving towards them,
Speaker 1: so they rolled down their window to talk, but instead
Speaker 1: of being approached by an officer, the driver right away
Speaker 1: recognized the man as Wortman, who was now shooting at them. Wow,
Speaker 1: the driver was hit twice. I'm just kind of like
Speaker 1: not saying his name because he didn't want his name
Speaker 1: being said. But this driver said that he was hit twice,
Speaker 1: one bullet through the shoulder and the other grazing his forehead.
Speaker 1: The driver did manage to drive away and was able
Speaker 1: to inform the arriving RCMP officers this crucial information that
Speaker 1: Wortman was disguised as a police officer and had the
Speaker 1: vehicle to match it. This was at about ten twenty
Speaker 1: six when officers started to arrive in Port a Pic
Speaker 1: and they were already arriving to quite a scene. They
Speaker 1: found bodies on the road in homes as well as
Speaker 1: buildings on fire. It was a scene I don't think
Speaker 1: that you could ever have prepared yourself for. Among the
Speaker 1: victims already mentioned, there were another ten victims in Portapic
Speaker 1: to lose their life that night, So I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: go through them. So we had Peter and Joy Bond.
Speaker 1: They were long residents who enjoyed their peaceful community. They
Speaker 1: were killed in their home, with their bodies being discovered
Speaker 1: the next morning. Cory Ellison Corey was forty two and
Speaker 1: visiting his father when he was killed. He was legally blind,
Speaker 1: but described as a beautiful soul, someone who had a
Speaker 1: deep love for music and enjoyed outdoor activities. Joline Oliver,
Speaker 1: Aaron Tuck and their daughter, Emily Tuck. Joline and Aaron's daughter,
Speaker 1: Emily was only seventeen years old. She was passionate about
Speaker 1: playing the fiddle and had plans for her future. Education.
Speaker 1: Was thirty nine and Aarin was forty five. They were
Speaker 1: a young family that had moved from Calgary to Nova Scotia. They,
Speaker 1: like many of the others, were neighbors of Workman, so
Speaker 1: knew him. Aarin had apparently known about Workman's Replica Cruiser.
Speaker 1: He was a mechanic, so I don't know if like
Speaker 1: Wortman had asked him things or whatever, and he had
Speaker 1: discussed reporting it but he couldn't because Workman had threatened him.
Speaker 1: So Don Mattson and Frank Gulukin Sorry if I'm pronouncing
Speaker 1: that wrong. The couple had been together in Portabit since
Speaker 1: the summer of twenty nineteen, so like this is they
Speaker 1: haven't even been you know, for a whole year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this was just after Dawn had retired from her
Speaker 1: job as a dietary aid. Frank had renovated their home
Speaker 1: in Port A pic for their retirement. So I think
Speaker 1: they had had the home previously, but he had like
Speaker 1: meticulously renovated like their dream retirement home, right, and it
Speaker 1: was set ablaze by Workman after he killed the couple.
Speaker 1: They were described as dedicated and loving individuals, a coworker
Speaker 1: describing Don as a beam of sunshine.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Ah, it hurt, Yeah, it just like it makes your
Speaker 1: heart feel real tight, Elizabeth Joanne Thomas and John zeal So.
Speaker 1: Like Don and Frank, Joanne and John chose porta Pic
Speaker 1: as their retirement home. Like it was a community that
Speaker 1: people kind of wanted to retire and it was like beautiful,
Speaker 1: right yep. The couple raised two boys together. John was
Speaker 1: a US Navy veteran, and both of them worked on
Speaker 1: charity product projects together, providing food and laundry services for
Speaker 1: the homeless. Their son described their mother as a living
Speaker 1: walking angel.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Their home was also set ablaze by Wortman.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck, Okay, I.
Speaker 1: Know the way that some d seper described I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: I can only help, you could only help.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would ever fucking describe me like that,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Like a ray of sunshine, like a living angel. Like
Speaker 1: I'm like, these are just like like these people are
Speaker 1: good people, right, and they are losing their life for
Speaker 1: absolutely no reason at all. Here. Oh so, the man
Speaker 1: hint hunt to find Workman continued through the night, and
Speaker 1: ultimately the attacks continued. The following morning. Workman had been
Speaker 1: able to escape porta Pic. A section of the highway
Speaker 1: was blocked off, but what police didn't realize. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe not only a local may have realized this is
Speaker 1: that Porta Pick had a back way out a dirt
Speaker 1: road along a blueberry field that also led to the highway,
Speaker 1: and they did not have that blocked. It was later
Speaker 1: determined that Workman escaped out of Porta Pic via this
Speaker 1: route within the hour after the attack, so I think
Speaker 1: it was like twenty minutes after police had even got there,
Speaker 1: and he drove twenty seven kilometers to the community of
Speaker 1: de Bert, where he spent the night parked behind a
Speaker 1: welding shop before daybreak. Whereman Leftrobert, arriving in the Wentworth
Speaker 1: area at about six thirty am. Now I'm sure the RCMP,
Speaker 1: I just got to say they I'm sure they did
Speaker 1: the like the absolute best with the skills and resources
Speaker 1: they had at the time of the rampage. Like I've mentioned,
Speaker 1: I mean, regardless of your job, no one I feel
Speaker 1: like should have to be prepared to deal with like
Speaker 1: this kind of shit, really, right, So, and it's always
Speaker 1: much easier to think of ideas and better ways of
Speaker 1: handling something after the fact. But it's something I do
Speaker 1: have to touch on because of the amount of criticism
Speaker 1: they have received in regards to how everything was handled,
Speaker 1: and we'll touch on it more thoroughly at the end,
Speaker 1: but there's a few things I'll go over for now,
Speaker 1: the first one being the assumption the RCMP apparently made
Speaker 1: in regards to workmen. So by dawn, with no signs
Speaker 1: of the gunman, they assumed that he must have taken
Speaker 1: his own life, which isn't necessarily an unusual outcome after
Speaker 1: a violent rampage like this one. They thought they'd find
Speaker 1: evidence as they went through the rubble of destruction left
Speaker 1: behind by him, but that was very much so not
Speaker 1: the case. The police were communicating with the public via tweeter, tweeter, tweeter, tweeter, Twitter,
Speaker 1: Holy shit, it should be called tweeter. I like that better.
Speaker 1: You like, well, it's act Twitter now. I know. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna call it Twitter because it was called Twitter
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 2: Tweeter, I like.
Speaker 1: The first announcement regarding the incident went out at eleven
Speaker 1: thirty two pm, saying that they were responding to a
Speaker 1: firearms complaint in port A pic and asked people to
Speaker 1: avoid the area and like lock their doors. But at
Speaker 1: this time workman was like had already left port A
Speaker 1: Pick right. Yeah, So nothing else was released by the
Speaker 1: RCMP until the following morning at eight o two and
Speaker 1: eight fifty four AM. So at aight oh two they
Speaker 1: were saying the porta pic situation involves an active shooter.
Speaker 1: At eight fifty four, they released a photo of the
Speaker 1: gunman on Twitter and said he is considered armed and dangerous.
Speaker 2: Didn't say anything about him in personating an officer. No,
Speaker 2: so they have an active shooter impersonating an officer And
Speaker 2: they didn't even say much of the information until the
Speaker 2: following day, and they chose Twitter or tweeter tweeter. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's a good one to actually post. You know what
Speaker 2: I think in a situation like that, that calls for
Speaker 2: like the emergency response system where everyone gets a notification.
Speaker 1: On their Yeah, that's the thing. Because Broadcast Radio twenty twenty, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had we had that. Yeah, and like a lot
Speaker 1: of people, I mean, it's rule like they maybe don't
Speaker 1: have access to the Internet all the time, or like
Speaker 1: it's older individuals that right, aren't the fuck on Twitter?
Speaker 2: So yeah, radio broadcast the news like people are if
Speaker 2: they don't have like you said, it's rural, maybe they
Speaker 2: don't even have Internet access. Yeah, maybe they don't have
Speaker 2: cell service. They're probably turning on their TV with the
Speaker 2: rabbity ors of the radio. Who knows that's their source
Speaker 2: of getting connected with with media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean they it's kind of difficult because
Speaker 1: maybe they were thinking that they didn't They weren't sure
Speaker 1: like people had been reporting, right, but they haven't seen
Speaker 1: it with their own eyes, so maybe they weren't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they were thinking about not releasing that.
Speaker 1: It's very bizarre.
Speaker 2: But you had a neighbor, yeah, who knew of that
Speaker 2: car thing, who witnessed him saying, yes, I know he
Speaker 2: has this car. Yes, I saw him driving the car
Speaker 2: in the uniform. Yes I recognized.
Speaker 1: Him because I didn't even really put it in here.
Speaker 1: But I think the thing that allowed them to release
Speaker 1: the full information to the public was that once Lisa,
Speaker 1: like the partner, had come forward, she told all of
Speaker 1: them that he was dressed this way and had this
Speaker 1: replica or seemed p vehicle. So then I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was like, you know, what they needed to
Speaker 1: put it out there, but they did.
Speaker 2: Have that, But they already did one thing where like
Speaker 2: the RCMP, like the guys on the ground, right they said,
Speaker 2: we have a safe word to ensure it's us, not
Speaker 2: anyone impersonating. They knew, they knew. Yeah, so whoever, this
Speaker 2: fucking higher up person is who's in charge of actually
Speaker 2: putting it out to the public.
Speaker 1: I know they stalled for some reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't. It's not even that they stalled. They
Speaker 2: weren't doing their fucking job, because to say the next
Speaker 2: morning it's an active shooter, that's eight ten hours later
Speaker 2: after the active shooter situation.
Speaker 1: It was eight hours later, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because even besides the impersonating officer, they knew active shooter
Speaker 2: and they did not tell the public. And when they did,
Speaker 2: they did it on fucking tweeter. Fucking tweeter.
Speaker 1: I'm going to just continue on with my notes here.
Speaker 1: I know we've talked about a bit of it, but no,
Speaker 1: because it it is a problem. Well, let me just
Speaker 1: get We'll get through the section and then we can
Speaker 1: say more. But the attacker's disguise and the use of
Speaker 1: the replica police vehicle was not released, which is unfortunate
Speaker 1: and why people, including the victims' families, are quite upset.
Speaker 1: They're thinking more lives would have been saved if this
Speaker 1: information was released. To the public to not necessarily trust
Speaker 1: any officer that you're crossing paths with in the area.
Speaker 1: This information wasn't actually released to the public until ten seventeen,
Speaker 1: again via Twitter, and by then Workman had already taken
Speaker 1: many more lives. Fuck and like that. We'll go through
Speaker 1: their stories and stuff. But I think some of the people,
Speaker 1: like they wouldn't have been in the situations that they
Speaker 1: were if they knew that there was this person going
Speaker 1: on a rampage. Yeah, they I don't think they would have.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I figured. Oh boy, holy shit.
Speaker 1: So I had mentioned. Wortman arrived in the wet Wentworth
Speaker 1: area at about six thirty, which is roughly sixty kilometers
Speaker 1: from Porta pic where as far as the public is concerned,
Speaker 1: is where everyone still thinks Workman is right, yeah, or
Speaker 1: he's like deceased there or whatever. But instead he was
Speaker 1: heading to a home on a Hunter Road where he
Speaker 1: kills two men and a woman, Alana Jenkins, Sean McLeod
Speaker 1: and their neighbor Tom Bagley. Both Alana and Sean were
Speaker 1: corrections officers who did know the killer. Their daughter said
Speaker 1: they would have done anything for anybody, and they always
Speaker 1: made sure people felt welcome in their home. So I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know, I think regardless of if the police
Speaker 1: released Well maybe not though, because if they had released
Speaker 1: like who it was and stuff, they might have been
Speaker 1: more on alert, right because they did know of who
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then Tom Bagley, he was aged seventy. He was
Speaker 1: in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was
Speaker 1: out on his morning walk when he was killed as
Speaker 1: he approached the burning house of his neighbors. He was
Speaker 1: described as a man who wore many hats, an earnest
Speaker 1: storyteller who could keep people captivated until the very end.
Speaker 1: He was a retired crass rescue firefighter who served for
Speaker 1: ten years in the Royal Canadian Navy. So he went
Speaker 1: to try to go and like help at Atlanta and
Speaker 1: Shawn's home, right, wow, And it's just like these little
Speaker 1: communities too, like you're just you go and help your neighbors, right,
Speaker 1: and like there's people that are just getting fucked because
Speaker 1: of that. Chase Workman remained at their home for some time,
Speaker 1: no one's really sure why, before killing Lillian his slop
Speaker 1: at nine forty three am. So Lillian was sixty five
Speaker 1: and she was killed while she was out on her
Speaker 1: morning walk. She was described as a true adventure courageous, generous, determined,
Speaker 1: quick witted and gave the best hugs.
Speaker 2: Gave the best hug.
Speaker 1: Gave the best hug. Holy shit, many people don't most
Speaker 1: people don't give very good hugs.
Speaker 2: So this might be I don't know something that a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't really agree with me on, but
Speaker 2: I think that would be an amazing thing to have
Speaker 2: on your grave.
Speaker 1: Gave the best hug, gave.
Speaker 2: The best hugs.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Wortman made his way to a
Speaker 1: home in the glen Holm area, but the residents did
Speaker 1: not answer the door and called nine to one one
Speaker 1: saying they knew the shooter. He did adventure leave, so
Speaker 1: that was good that they got away or they got
Speaker 1: you know, didn't get killed. I guess god. His next
Speaker 1: victims were Kristen Beaton and Heather O'Brien, with Wortman being
Speaker 1: back into bert If. Both of these victims, it's believed
Speaker 1: Workman pulled over their vehicles or like they were pulled
Speaker 1: over and he stopped and then he killed them. These
Speaker 1: murders happened at about ten o eight and the police
Speaker 1: shared publicly at ten seventeen am that the gunman may
Speaker 1: have been appearing to impersonate an officer may have been Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this these two, for sure, I think you know,
Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened. Kristen worked for the Victorian Order of
Speaker 1: Nurses and had been traveling between communities to provide care
Speaker 1: for clients when she was killed in her vehicle. She
Speaker 1: was pregnant with her second child.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Heather O'Brien, age fifty five, was a licensed practical nurse
Speaker 1: who also worked with the Victorian Order of Nurses, though
Speaker 1: was on her day off at the time of the murder.
Speaker 1: Her family said they would like her to be remembered
Speaker 1: for the life she lived, had not the way she died.
Speaker 1: She is defined by her caring and kind spirit, the
Speaker 1: way she always rooted for the underdog, and how beautifully
Speaker 1: she swept through this life. How you do And it's
Speaker 1: like brutal, Hey.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. And it's it comes down to the
Speaker 2: fact that the fucking higher ups didn't do their fucking job.
Speaker 2: All these incredible people are just becoming victims as a
Speaker 2: result because someone somewhere decided not to fucking keep the
Speaker 2: public informed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so sorry, Well I'm just like Frank,
Speaker 1: like I I'm like one of those people that really
Speaker 1: thinks that most people try to do their best, and
Speaker 1: you know, and like I think probably most people were
Speaker 1: doing their best that day, but the wrong decision was
Speaker 1: made at some point of not releasing everything they knew.
Speaker 1: And you know, you wonder was it out of fear
Speaker 1: that they're like, well, we don't want to put this
Speaker 1: out there and have like people fear police officers when
Speaker 1: they don't need to, but in this situation, they needed to, right.
Speaker 2: So because someone was impersonating them, and there's there's guys
Speaker 2: out there wearing the RCMP uniform, right, and they're trying
Speaker 2: to help, they're trying to protect, they're trying to get
Speaker 2: this guy. But all it takes is one bad apple
Speaker 2: to spoil a bunch, as the saying goes, right, and
Speaker 2: if you trust the wrong officer at this important time,
Speaker 2: you get killed. You get killed. Yeah, so like fucking
Speaker 2: barricade your doors, we like, get it out there, we
Speaker 2: will get this fucking guy. Do not trust art, don't
Speaker 2: don't let any RCNP officers into your home unless they
Speaker 2: are accompanied by more than one officer.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then you can now guarantee that, yes, it is
Speaker 2: not a single person, right, if you see two officers
Speaker 2: side by side, you can trust them because they are
Speaker 2: vetted for Yeah. Yeah, but as a single officer, do
Speaker 2: not trust, do not let them in their home, do
Speaker 2: not stop.
Speaker 1: But I mean it also could have just gone come
Speaker 1: down to like they just you know, had never experienced
Speaker 1: something like this and just weren't like trained to know
Speaker 1: what to do. But like they just think you had
Speaker 1: to have made a decision. So at ten forty nine am,
Speaker 1: Constable Chad Morrison was waiting to meet Alleague, a colleague,
Speaker 1: unaware Workman was nearby. He was expecting to meet Constable
Speaker 1: Heidi Stevenson. Morrison was hit, but thankfully he did manage
Speaker 1: to escape. Shortly after, Workman collided head on with incoming
Speaker 1: Constable Heidi Stevenson, resulting in a deadly shootout where Stevenson
Speaker 1: unfortunately lost her life. Fuck. An innocent bystander, Joey Weber,
Speaker 1: who stopped to help, was also killed. Like he witnessed this, stopped,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of probably to help Heidi, I'm assuming,
Speaker 1: and Wortman took his life. So Workman then took the
Speaker 1: Constable's handgun and Zoe's Joey's vehicle, and he continued southward.
Speaker 1: Constable Heidi Stevenson was remembered for her bravery and dedication
Speaker 1: to her duty. She was racing to support another officer
Speaker 1: in need when she encountered workman. At forty eight years old,
Speaker 1: she was a twenty three year veteran of the Federal
Speaker 1: Police Force, and more importantly, she was a mother of two. Joey,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say Zoe, so I don't even.
Speaker 2: Joey, you want to say Zoe?
Speaker 1: I do Joey thirty six years old. He was out
Speaker 1: running a family errand which, like he probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been running the morning of April nineteenth. He was described
Speaker 1: by a neighbor as always having a good outlook. He
Speaker 1: always had a big smile, and that can be hard
Speaker 1: to find in people. Joey missed the birth of his
Speaker 1: fourth daughter, who was born on Christmas Day twenty twenty
Speaker 1: eight months after his death.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck, eight months after his death.
Speaker 1: Like his wife would have just like been pregnant.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he even knew his wife was pregnant. Yeah,
Speaker 2: eight months as a possibility, I know.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wortman's last and final victim would be Gina Gullette
Speaker 1: at eleven o six am. Gina was fifty four years
Speaker 1: old and knew Workman through their shared profession as dentrist.
Speaker 1: She was also a two time cancer survivor and described
Speaker 1: as a vibrant, dynamic woman and proud mother who will
Speaker 1: be remembered for her kindness, generosity, and ability to light
Speaker 1: up a room. Wortman left Gina's house in her Mazda three,
Speaker 1: so like he's on his to his third vehicle now, right.
Speaker 2: So she survived cancer twice only to have this fucking
Speaker 2: asshole killer. Wow.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm okay, I feel like slightly terrible, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to like recognize each victim with like, you know,
Speaker 1: a little their tiny a little bit of their story, right,
Speaker 1: but it just fucking breaks your heart, like it just
Speaker 1: destroys you, no kidding, the little tidbits, like holy heck.
Speaker 1: So at eleven twenty six am, the manhunt would finally
Speaker 1: be over. Worktman stopped at the I think it's IVN
Speaker 1: Big Stop gas station in Enfield to refuel. RCMP Emergency
Speaker 1: Response Team officers also arrived to refuel, and finally, after
Speaker 1: thirteen hours, workman's luck of dodging the police had run out,
Speaker 1: and he was shot dead.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: In addition to the individuals who lost their life, many
Speaker 1: others were left physically injured and profoundly affected by the
Speaker 1: traumak his action.
Speaker 2: No, it's right, I can only imagine. Wow. Yeah, fuck,
Speaker 2: I'm glad he was shot dead. I mean sorry, I.
Speaker 1: Am I now well because he shouldn't.
Speaker 2: The shit yeah he did. Holy fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have it in here. I had it
Speaker 1: in here at one point. So this is a bit weird.
Speaker 1: But he had he had killed twenty two people, he'd
Speaker 1: killed two dogs as well, and like he injured numerous others,
Speaker 1: both like physically and mentally. And I think he had
Speaker 1: injured a couple other dogs as well.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just like a complete piece of shit.
Speaker 2: Wow, the definition of douche canoe really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you know. And something I did
Speaker 1: listen to, like we still have a bit more to
Speaker 1: go over here. But is it just people like something
Speaker 1: can set you off, right, And I think he was
Speaker 1: already like a pretty terrible person. And then I think
Speaker 1: COVID just like I don't know, just set them off
Speaker 1: or something right, like I don't know. I don't It's
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to understand how someone can literally
Speaker 1: just go over a thirteen hour time span and like
Speaker 1: kill twenty two people.
Speaker 2: And not stop to think, well, yeah, like that.
Speaker 1: It's just something like that. It's not right.
Speaker 2: No, no, that he was not fucking right, clearly no.
Speaker 1: In the months following the shooting, the RCMP faced criticism
Speaker 1: for their handling of the incident, particularly regarding communication with
Speaker 1: the public and response coordination. Families of the victims in
Speaker 1: the wider community demanded answers and accountability. Despite initial resistance,
Speaker 1: public pressure led to a formal public inquiry, which was
Speaker 1: known as the Mass Casualty Commission, to investigate the circumstances
Speaker 1: of the shooting and the police response. The inquiry aimed
Speaker 1: to provide a comprehensive understanding of the events, the systematic
Speaker 1: issues within law enforcement, and to recommend measures to prevent
Speaker 1: similar tragedies in the future. This process involved gathering evidence,
Speaker 1: hearing testimonies from witnesses and experts, and examining Workman's background
Speaker 1: and interactions with law enforcement meant prior to the attacks,
Speaker 1: because he did have like some prior things right and
Speaker 1: also how the fuck was he purchasing all this shit
Speaker 1: and not being flagged and stuff? Right, So, the mass
Speaker 1: shooting had a profound impact on the effected communities and
Speaker 1: Canada as a whole, and I'm probably I'm sure went
Speaker 1: beyond Canada too, right, Oh, probably. It sparked a nationwide,
Speaker 1: nationwide story debate on several critical issues, including gun control,
Speaker 1: emergency response, mental health and domestic violence, community healing and support.
Speaker 1: So the Mass Casualty Commission's final report, titled they titled
Speaker 1: it Turning the Tide Together, was released just last year
Speaker 1: on March thirtieth, twenty twenty three, so they took some
Speaker 1: time with this. The report provides an extensive analysis of
Speaker 1: the events surrounding the shooting and offers one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty recommendations aimed at improving community safety and prevent similar
Speaker 1: tragedies in the future. So I'll just list some of
Speaker 1: the key findings from the report. I'm also gonna like
Speaker 1: it's like pretty hefty, right, so we'll make sure that
Speaker 1: we we link it if you are interested in learning
Speaker 1: more like feel free. But yeah, the main are the
Speaker 1: ones I'm mentioning here are police and RCMP oversight. The
Speaker 1: report calls freaking significant changes in RCMP oversight processes and culture,
Speaker 1: emphasizing the need for increased transparency and accountability. It highlights
Speaker 1: the importance of improving critical incident response capabilities and enhancing
Speaker 1: every day policing practices.
Speaker 2: That's pretty vague in all honesty.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean in the report will go in depth
Speaker 1: more about correct. I feel like I take that as like,
Speaker 1: if they know stuff like this person's impersonating a police officer, though,
Speaker 1: might release it quicker than eight hours later.
Speaker 2: Transparent. Yeah, you gotta fucking communicate. Yeah, Yeah, Like the
Speaker 2: guys on the ground, like the guys out there in
Speaker 2: their squad cars, like I have, I don't see anything
Speaker 2: wrong with what they've done. They they pounded the pavement,
Speaker 2: they're trying to fucking find this guy. They got into
Speaker 2: fucking firefights, like people lost their lives. They took him
Speaker 2: down finally after thirteen hours. Yeah, but the people behind
Speaker 2: the computers offered no communication. They put their guys out
Speaker 2: there in a risky situation, and they let the public
Speaker 2: stay out there in a risky situation and didn't communicate
Speaker 2: those two at all. They just let them fucking go
Speaker 2: at it, And hopefully we get this guy.
Speaker 1: M hm, Well, yeah, because there's there's obviously, like so
Speaker 1: much more that happened, like with the RCMP that I
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned, Like there was even at one point they
Speaker 1: were at a like firehouse or whatever. I think it
Speaker 1: was like a volunteer firehouse and police thought that workman
Speaker 1: was there and they were like firing, But then it
Speaker 1: came to me that they were actually just like firing
Speaker 1: at each other. So I mean, like, just I think too,
Speaker 1: if there's confusion at the top, it just like spirals down.
Speaker 2: It does, right, it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's honestly seems it's I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: surprised more officers didn't get like honestly right. So the
Speaker 1: next one was violent or violence prevention. So the commission
Speaker 1: recommends addressing the root causes a violence, including gender, base
Speaker 1: and intimate partner violence. It suggests creating a new framework
Speaker 1: for tracking MASH casualties, strengthening firearm regulations, and appointing a
Speaker 1: new gender based violence Commissioner. Okay, and something I don't
Speaker 1: have in here too, because I know, like our like
Speaker 1: Justin Trudeau after this, he like, I don't how would
Speaker 1: you word this? But he banned a lot of firearms
Speaker 1: and stuff. But the thing is is that like workman
Speaker 1: didn't even have a license and he got these anyway, right.
Speaker 2: So well, there's a lot of controversy over that in
Speaker 2: Canada because yeah, the firearm ban and it bans the
Speaker 2: legal purchase is what it does. It bans the legal ownership.
Speaker 2: But people get it anyways if they.
Speaker 1: Want, right, because this wouldn't have affected workmen. I don't
Speaker 1: think like he got these anyway, right yep. So community safety,
Speaker 1: the report advocates for a more collaborative model of community
Speaker 1: safety where multiple partners work together beyond just police services.
Speaker 1: It's emphasizing the need for increased mental health services, new
Speaker 1: community safety and well being laws, and promoting bystander intervention.
Speaker 1: Public alerting and communication. Okay, so here where are? A
Speaker 1: National review of public alerting systems is recommended to ensure
Speaker 1: timely and effective communication during emergencies because the thing I
Speaker 1: just thought of too, like there's we get texts say
Speaker 1: in BC or whatever if like a child is missing,
Speaker 1: Amber learned right, Yeah, and they do release that before
Speaker 1: they probably have all the details because they're like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: we got to like get this kid, and they know,
Speaker 1: like the quicker they put this out like, the longer
Speaker 1: the kid's missing, the chances of finding the kids decreases, right,
Speaker 1: And so they put that out there without like really
Speaker 1: thinking it through. I think, right and having all the information.
Speaker 2: There's a standard that's been set. Yeah, you need to
Speaker 2: follow that standard, and that standard should go across the
Speaker 2: board in any situation, not like there's a public safety issue.
Speaker 2: That public safety issue, no matter the situation should be followed.
Speaker 2: A specific standard of regulations and legislation and steps need
Speaker 2: to be followed.
Speaker 1: And I did read something too. I think the police
Speaker 1: with Twitter or tweeter or whatever x was, they were
Speaker 1: kind of hoping that the media would take it upon
Speaker 1: themselves to be spreading things.
Speaker 2: But the thing is that's not their fuck, it's.
Speaker 1: Still the same. The way that they could have gone
Speaker 1: out there the most was literally if they just did
Speaker 1: an alert on people's phones.
Speaker 2: Right, or maybe they contact the media. Sorry, I didn't
Speaker 2: mean to drop to you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So yeah, I do think like there
Speaker 1: was a bit of backpedaling. That is.
Speaker 2: That that's gross negligence, is what that is? Oh, the
Speaker 2: media will pick it up and spread it for us. No,
Speaker 2: that is that is gross negligence. On that department in
Speaker 2: the RCMP to say, uh, they'll just do it for us. No,
Speaker 2: that's your fucking job.
Speaker 1: And no, okay, And the last one I was going
Speaker 1: to touch on was ongoing accountability. The report calls for
Speaker 1: an implementation and mutual accountability body to oversee the progress
Speaker 1: of the recommendations and ensure all levels of government, RCMP
Speaker 1: and organizations are being held accountable. But yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: the case of the Nova Scotia mass shooting.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming no one was no one in the RCMP
Speaker 2: was fined or saw jail time as a result.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I think yes. So I believe that victims
Speaker 1: had sued workmen like his estate and stuff because I
Speaker 1: said he was a well off, and I believe that
Speaker 1: they did. Also there was a lawsuit against the RCMP,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if they if it hasn't been
Speaker 1: released what happened yet, or if I just didn't come
Speaker 1: across that, okay, because mostly what I came across was
Speaker 1: like this mass casually commissions, like final report, right, because.
Speaker 2: Within that report, I'm surprised that like, and I have
Speaker 2: to clarify this, like my knowledge is within the province
Speaker 2: of British Columbia. So I don't know if it applies
Speaker 2: a little bit differently within other provinces like Nova Scotia
Speaker 2: or anything like that, but there is something with gross
Speaker 2: negligence in regards to safety. If someone is found grossly negligent,
Speaker 2: they can be fined, and I believe their first incident
Speaker 2: is up to one hundred thousand dollars or a year
Speaker 2: in jail with and that's work safe So that's usually
Speaker 2: employees and stuff like if an employee gets injured. But
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure since this is a public servant and
Speaker 2: this is like their job is to look after the public,
Speaker 2: it should apply in a similar situation. So someone to say, hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, news sources are going to pick it up. Hey,
Speaker 2: we'll just post on Twitter tomorrow morning and see what happened.
Speaker 2: That's gross negligence. And I'm surprised no one had to
Speaker 2: suffer any repercussions for that gross negligence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, because I don't now that. I'm just
Speaker 1: like thinking, I know that I saw the lawsuits, but
Speaker 1: I never really saw what the outcome of them were,
Speaker 1: and it could be even something that they're like hiding
Speaker 1: because I know in this case there was a lot
Speaker 1: of things they didn't even like they did the inquiry
Speaker 1: and stuff that they did. They didn't even want that
Speaker 1: to be public, but there was just so much heat
Speaker 1: on them that it ended up having to be. So Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could been even something that they they don't release right, or.
Speaker 2: They could be dragging it out and it could still
Speaker 2: be going on in all honesty. Yeah, yeah, so that's fucked.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole case is just like a basket of shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a basket of upper management ship. The bed
Speaker 2: is what it is. The shitty poutine, it's a shitty poutine.
Speaker 2: We're Canadian. We say poutin putin pin now we even
Speaker 2: so do I know it's pronounced poutin. I know that
Speaker 2: because it's French. But I also don't say croissant. I
Speaker 2: say croissant, you know. Yeah, so it's I say poutine
Speaker 2: unless I really want to get fancy and show off,
Speaker 2: then I will flex my potin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so unfortunate how long it went on
Speaker 1: and how many people lost their lives, and in these
Speaker 1: like such small communities too that I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: bigger centers and cities and stuff, shit happens all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I'm not saying like it's easier
Speaker 1: to get over anything, but I just feel like it
Speaker 1: might hit a bit more in these communities because, for example,
Speaker 1: like Vancouver, look at how many shit things happen in there. Right,
Speaker 1: But if we're to google port a pic, this is
Speaker 1: gonna come up, right Yeah. So I mean you google Vancouver,
Speaker 1: not all the shit that happens to Vancouver comes up.
Speaker 1: So it overtakes almost like these small rural communities.
Speaker 2: Well, and we don't expect these things to happen in
Speaker 2: these rural communities, right, Yeah, a lot of people moved
Speaker 2: these communities to get away from crime rates. Look at
Speaker 2: the story of j. C. Duger that we just covered recently. Yeah,
Speaker 2: her family moved to this area to a nice safe
Speaker 2: area to bring up the family, and then jac gets
Speaker 2: kidnapped and fucking held camped it for eighteen years.
Speaker 1: Like what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the entire point was to be safer, and now
Speaker 2: you have this big old fucking stain on this little
Speaker 2: perfect community that was once a haven for so many people. Oh.
Speaker 1: I know, anyway, I think we really need a like
Speaker 1: day after this one.
Speaker 2: Eh, Yeah, no kidding, I'm wishing I had some stuff
Speaker 2: to put in my coffee right now.
Speaker 1: We actually even had that forever.
Speaker 2: No, we haven't had Irish cream for a long time.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you finished it off, and I
Speaker 2: was just like, well, I'm not going to get it
Speaker 2: anymore because I was drinking it too much, too well.
Speaker 1: I was really drinking there, Yeah you were. I don't
Speaker 1: even have about chocolate right now because it was like
Speaker 1: so nice. I don't drink coffee, so I have chocolate
Speaker 1: with carolines. But also that's like starting your day with
Speaker 1: three inner calories, which is probably not a good thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I made myself a rule. I wasn't
Speaker 2: allowed Irish cream unless it was the weekends. Yeah yeah, okay, well,
Speaker 2: good job on that. Thank you very much for making
Speaker 2: me angered at the upper management system once again in
Speaker 2: another freaking way, because people just shit the bed and
Speaker 2: let that shit roll downhill and it affects people and
Speaker 2: they don't really think about it or care. So cool.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Well, we can only hope that they care. Maybe
Speaker 1: they just made a mistake that they're very much so
Speaker 1: paying for now.
Speaker 2: I know there's at least one person out there who
Speaker 2: is responsible for the way this shit played out because
Speaker 2: because they are the ones who made the fucking call.
Speaker 2: And I hope they fucking know what the results were
Speaker 2: of their decision. And I hope they hope that fucking
Speaker 2: haunts them for the rest of their life. I'm sure
Speaker 2: it would fucking better. Yeah, And I hope that they
Speaker 2: pay for it in not necessarily jail time, but monetary
Speaker 2: as well, you know, get fined or go to jail.
Speaker 2: I hope something fucking comes of it, and I hope.
Speaker 1: It fucking haunts well, maybe they lost their job or something.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh no, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Oh my gosh, Okay, we got to losing your.
Speaker 2: Job, it's nothing compared to people losing their fucking life and.
Speaker 1: Is now going on a round page. We got we
Speaker 1: gotta piece out here.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm angry, You're very angry. We're very fucking angry.
Speaker 2: Very That was my fucking job before, is going through
Speaker 2: safety and regulations and looking after the ship. And I've
Speaker 2: seen how people don't care, and so that's all I
Speaker 2: see in the situation again, is upper management not giving
Speaker 2: a fuck.
Speaker 1: We live in a world. If it doesn't affect them personally,
Speaker 1: it's not important, you know, exactly.
Speaker 2: So sorry, I'm I'm done ranting, done raving.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're gonna go get Ben and Margarita here.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we will Margarita and a mimosa. I'll double fist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we should put a photo on Patreon Ben
Speaker 1: on the beach like that.
Speaker 2: Eh maybe? Okay, Well, sorry, thank you you did an
Speaker 2: amazing job. Are you gonna do the whole spiel on
Speaker 2: things below and links and stuff I can? Yeah, got it?
Speaker 1: You got first of all, like, thank you for being here,
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Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we have Instagram where I'm sure I'll post
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Speaker 1: post a photo of Ben double fisting.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe. I probably gotta drive though, so I doubt
Speaker 2: I'll be double fisting, but we'll see. But yeah, all
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and until next time.
Speaker 2: Until next time, stay wicked.