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The Cape Crusader Show, as 50 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.240 we talked about, really felt like it was set in 51 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.000 a similar world to Batman the Animated series. So this 52 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:42.680 is a good time to go back and think about 53 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:45.439 how is Kevin Conroy so important and how does that 54 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:48.120 legacy live on. Please enjoy this episode and if you 55 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:49.879 like it, of course, please think about becoming a member. 56 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:51.960 Only five dollars a month fifty five dollars a year. 57 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:54.520 You get access to free content, bonus content at the 58 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:56.360 end of episodes, and you get to help us keep 59 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.560 the lights on. 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If you've listened to many of our episodes, 69 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:25.319 especially any that we talked about Batman, you know that 70 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.800 Kevin Conroy was someone we truly cherished as one of, 71 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.159 if not our favorite portrayal of Batman. Well, unfortunately, recently 72 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.800 he passed away, and Paul and I decided to do 73 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:37.400 a small mini episode just to kind of honor and 74 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:41.319 tribute and talk about why his contributions to Batman have 75 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:42.319 been so important. 76 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:43.560 And we couldn't really do. 77 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.240 That without bringing in DC super fan Jess Plumber because 78 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:48.800 I found this is the one time I can get 79 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.120 her to say good things about a Batman portrayal. So, 80 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.240 you know, even though Superman's great too, today we're gonna 81 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.439 be talking about Batman and Kevin Conroy and his little 82 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:58.759 mini episode. So thank you so much, and we'll be 83 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.120 right back after this commercial that I would like to 84 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:12.479 be from Wayne Enterprises, but we'll see welcome back. This 85 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.240 is Matthew, your host. I am joined as almost always 86 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.160 by definitely not a host, mister Paul Hobby. 87 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:18.360 Paul, how are you doing today? 88 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:24.279 Yeah, I mean overall doing pretty good, you know, bummed 89 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.399 on the current topic of course. 90 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.079 For sure, for sure. 91 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.600 And Jess, as I said, you're recurring, I'm so glad 92 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:32.920 to be with us because I know this was a 93 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:34.319 topic that was really important to you. 94 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:34.959 Yeah. 95 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.600 Yeah, I would echo Paul that I am. I am 96 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:40.600 real bummed. It's very sad. I wish we didn't have 97 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:42.279 to record it, but I'm glad I'm recording it with 98 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:42.879 you too. 99 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.040 For sure did And so Jess, let's start with you, 100 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.199 because I know we've joked about how Batman isn't your favorite, 101 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.439 you're more Superman Woman, but that you really do love 102 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:54.040 all the DC stuff, and you know, I know you 103 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.240 mentioned that you were really affected by Kevin Conroy's passing. 104 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:59.480 So talk a little bit about what this, what his 105 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:00.720 portrayal of Batman meant to you. 106 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:01.560 Yeah. 107 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.360 You know, it's funny because I was surprised by how 108 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:09.360 much it affected me. Like you said, I am definitely 109 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:14.199 more of a Superman fan in general, and honestly, like 110 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:18.040 even though the Batman the animated series, which was Kevin 111 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:22.920 Conroy's first time in the role, premiered in nineteen ninety 112 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:32.240 two when I was mah eight, so he's basically been 113 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.480 Batman my whole life, Like he's been Batman since I 114 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:40.120 knew what Batman was. But I didn't actually like superheroes 115 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:41.839 as a kid, and I was like, if I turned 116 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.560 on the TV and it was a superhero cartoon, I'd 117 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:49.199 be offended because to me, cartoons were about like, you know, 118 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.079 somebody hitting somebody else in the face with a pie, 119 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.279 which you know it wasn't really happening in bat I 120 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:56.839 guess the Joker would do it, but it'd be a 121 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.680 murder pie, and it doesn't have the same spirit, not 122 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.519 quite like a Sylvester and Weaver, no exactly. And so 123 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.480 I'd always be like, uh, you change the channel and 124 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:10.360 go find ductails or something. But when I got into 125 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.759 comics and superheroes in high school and college, it was 126 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.360 really like Batman the animated series was, as it is 127 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:20.720 for so many people, jumping off point for me, even 128 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:22.040 though of course it had been off the air for 129 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:24.680 a very long time. Justice League was on the air, 130 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.600 and that you know again had Kevin Conray as Batman 131 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:30.759 and I have since gone back and watched it. I 132 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:36.439 was literally watching it like Thursday night and then check 133 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:40.240 Twitter on Friday morning and he had passed. Like even 134 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:42.560 though I didn't grow up with it, I still feel 135 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:44.879 like I grew up with it because it was always 136 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:52.920 there and he was always there. Yeah. No, I Like 137 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.160 I said, I was surprised by how much it affected me. 138 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:59.959 But I cried a lot. May cry in this episode, 139 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:01.040 no promises. 140 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.759 You know it's an emotional topic, Paul, What about for you? 141 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:09.720 Because I know I actually remember the animated series being 142 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.279 a big part of like my high school years. I 143 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.079 didn't watch it much myself at that point, but a 144 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.720 lot of my friends did. In our Mutual Friends circle 145 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:18.800 was talking about a lot. Were you watching it as 146 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:20.120 it was coming out or do you don't get into 147 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:20.519 it later? 148 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.199 Yeah, I didn't really watch the animated series when it 149 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:27.120 was out. I was aware of it, and you know, 150 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:29.120 I might have seen a bit of it here and there. 151 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:35.040 I actually grew up a Superman kid. You know, the 152 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.519 Superman one and two came out either just before I 153 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:40.120 was born the first one, or like when I was 154 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.160 very little. You know, I mean, I had my hair 155 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:49.079 done by one of the village people's boyfriends with like 156 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:51.560 the little curl and everything when I was like four 157 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:55.839 or five and like went to school and like a 158 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:59.800 full like Superman outfit and was and actually got to 159 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:04.439 meet got to meet Christopher Reeves when my dad worked 160 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:08.120 on a movie with him, The Bostonians, and played volleyball 161 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:12.199 with him actually, which was really funny, which also then 162 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:16.439 you know, becomes a sad story with how his life ended, 163 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:21.480 you know, too soon I could be talking about Christopher 164 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:26.839 or my dad actually, but that sort of you know, 165 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.680 then Batman, the the movies with you know, the Tim 166 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:33.759 Burton movies with Michael Keaton came out and that was 167 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.080 kind of when I became more of a Batman fan. 168 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:41.440 But it wasn't really until like the two thousands that 169 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.720 I started getting like really interested in it again. And 170 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:48.799 it was it was the Justice League series actually, Like 171 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.639 I was aware of the animated series, but I didn't 172 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.399 watch it regularly or anything. And then I just I 173 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:59.200 watched the entirety of the Justice League series, probably in 174 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.399 like two or three weeks or something, you know, and 175 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:07.600 it was just so good and to me, you know, 176 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.440 it's a combination. It's a combination of the writing and 177 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.360 the voice acting, right, which I think anytime you get 178 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:21.120 really like just a peak level performance, it always has 179 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:25.399 to be some combination of those, I think, And so 180 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.519 I think, you know, Kevin Conroy was fortunate to get 181 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.679 this role that was just really well written, and you know, 182 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.720 he was given kind of to me, the Batman, who 183 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.080 is like the best Batman that there can. 184 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:39.759 Be, you know. 185 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:45.840 But then for all of those, you know, my favorite 186 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.320 moments of those to be on the level they were, 187 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:52.679 it required his performance to like to make it real, right, 188 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:57.879 and somehow, you know, his Batman felt more real to 189 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:00.960 me than any of the you know, great live action 190 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.879 takes that many of which I love, But there's just 191 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:12.759 something that feels so real, like you know, human or 192 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.080 just like a like a person, you know. And I 193 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:21.519 think he captured the essence of both Bruce Wayne and 194 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:27.279 Batman and really distinguished them with his voice, right, like 195 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.519 you can tell whether this is Bruce Wayne or Batman 196 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:36.159 speaking without looking at the screen, And I think that 197 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:40.679 was something that he just did so well. And you know, 198 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:45.320 he just delivered so many fantastic lines, particularly as Batman. 199 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.720 I'd say more than as Bruce, but there's there's some 200 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.159 more you know, Bruce Wayne lines that I think were 201 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:55.080 just fantastic, and and the way he differentiated those two 202 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:01.480 I think is like essential to the Batman. 203 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:04.120 Character, and he does it in a way without going 204 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:05.320 like full Christian Bale. 205 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.159 Right, Yeah, yeah, I think it's a really good point. 206 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.320 I want to talk about my own story with Batman, 207 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:13.320 but I'll just say I've said this before on the 208 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.639 on the show, but I think it's worth peating. One 209 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:19.039 of my favorite comments about Batman, and it comes from 210 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.080 the folks at the DC on Screen podcast, and it's that, 211 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:27.480 unlike most superheroes, with Batman, Batman is who he is 212 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:31.399 and Bruce Wayne is the like persona that he puts on, 213 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:34.720 but the core identity is Batman. And when they were 214 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.279 talking about that, they said that that it was Batman 215 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.919 the animated series, and Kevin Conroy, who really most you know, 216 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.399 gave them that idea. And I definitely think that felt 217 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:47.240 true because I think you're right. The Bruce, his Bruce 218 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:52.200 always feels like not that it's a struggle, but that 219 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.399 it like and it doesn't feel like it's bad acting 220 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:56.279 at all. It feels like the actor is very suited 221 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.679 to it, but he's portraying it as someone who is 222 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.720 always a little bit uncomfortable in his own skin. And 223 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.200 I just always feel like so much more assurance when 224 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:08.320 he is in actually being what he's acting as Batman instead, 225 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:11.039 because what he's portraying is that Bruce Wayne is someone 226 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:14.759 who's always like a little bit putting on this show 227 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:17.799 for everybody, even less so when he's talking with Alfred, 228 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:20.279 but even there, like just he as Batman is who 229 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:21.120 he's most comfortable. 230 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.320 Yeah, I think to some extent, there's almost three roles 231 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:32.799 there where there's Bruce Wayne the performance in front of 232 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.559 you know, a crowd, there's Batman, which you know, you 233 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.519 could say is the true identity, and then there's Bruce 234 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:46.480 Wayne in Wayne manor where only Alfred's around and he's 235 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.440 you know, the question is like, do you have to 236 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:53.360 always pretend you're Bruce when you're like not in the 237 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:55.320 bat Cave and then when you're in the bat Cave 238 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:58.320 you could be Batman? Or you know, do you have 239 00:12:58.360 --> 00:12:59.440 this kind of in between? 240 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:00.840 Yeah? 241 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:02.919 Well I was thinking I was thinking that as I 242 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.039 was saying it, because like I would like to say 243 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.399 that no he's just Batman with Alfred. But I think 244 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.399 one of the really beautiful parts of that relationship is 245 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.440 that Alfred knows that Batman is kind of his core, 246 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:16.519 but kind of one of Alfred's main goals throughout the 247 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.759 entire show is to allow him to become Bruce again. 248 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:21.679 You're going to help him out of just being Batman. 249 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:26.240 Yeah, it's interesting because I you know, there have been 250 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.039 a lot of clips that have been circulating since the 251 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.679 news broke that he passed. And also think I've you know, 252 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:37.879 continued to rewatch the show, and I absolutely agree with 253 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:39.840 both of you that there's sort of those three like 254 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.480 major categories. But the thing that I think was so 255 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.120 one of the many things that was so powerful about 256 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.559 his performance was how sort of he could flow in 257 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:50.919 between them. And he was very mutable. It's sort of like, 258 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.759 you know, to go back to Christopher Reeve watching him, 259 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.320 you know, straighten up and turn into Superman and then 260 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.679 hunch his shoulders and turn into Clark, and you see 261 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:00.919 the way he does it. You can hear the way 262 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.080 Kevin Conroy does it, and like, and there is I 263 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:10.240 was watching the two part Rasal Ghoul episode and there's 264 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:12.399 like a scene where he and Robin are like lost 265 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.320 in the desert, and then they find their way to 266 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:18.600 like Wayne enterprises buildings in whatever country that they're in, 267 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.960 which is very funny, and they're like change into like 268 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.600 their usual like he's got his turtleneck on and Dick 269 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.240 has his little sweater vest and I'm like, do you 270 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:31.480 just keep those in all their offices? But he's so 271 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:34.000 they're like talking about like what they're going to do next, 272 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:37.440 but it's Bruce like he's wearing civilian clothing, but he's 273 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.759 using a voice that's much closer to Batman. But because 274 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:43.759 he's talking to Dick, who's his partner and his kid, 275 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.919 it's a very warm version of it. They're like joking 276 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.200 around with each other. It's not the way that he 277 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:53.080 talks to like Roz and Talia. And then one of 278 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:57.600 the clips that was circulating on Twitter was from Mask 279 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:01.559 of the Phantasm when Bruce breaks down in the rain 280 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:04.440 at his parents grave, and the person who tweeted it 281 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:09.559 said that Kevin Conry was particularly proud of that particular scene, 282 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:11.879 which they might have been making up. I don't know, 283 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:16.360 but he should have been proud because it's amazing. But 284 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.279 he's fully in the Bruce voice, which really surprised me 285 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:24.399 because I would because I default as well to thinking 286 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.159 that the Batman voice is more true to who he is. 287 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:30.919 But it makes sense that he wouldn't talk to his 288 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:34.600 parents that way. It makes total sense that he's in 289 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:37.799 that higher register that he's because he's so vulnerable in 290 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:39.200 that moment, and it was. 291 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:39.559 Such a. 292 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:44.399 It's such a smart choice as an actor, and it's 293 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.200 a choice that shows that he how well he knew 294 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:48.960 and understood the character. 295 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.120 Absolutely, And I think he's using kind of more of 296 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:57.039 like a young Bruce voice there, right than like fake Bruce. 297 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.960 Yes, yeah, it doesn't have that that little veneer of 298 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.720 I'm a dufist, right, he usually does this person. 299 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:05.960 Which I love. 300 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:07.080 He's so good choice. 301 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:09.960 Yeah, yeah, Like I think definitely with some of those 302 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.840 other portrayals like Christian Bale and things like that, who 303 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:16.480 I utterly love. Yeah, it does feel like almost the 304 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.440 portrayal of Bruce is almost to a comical extent, whereas 305 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:22.320 with Kevin Well, I do feel like he and in 306 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:24.320 Batman an of a series and the games and all that. 307 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:27.240 While I do feel like Batman is the core identity, 308 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.000 that tension is still always there you know, it doesn't 309 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.799 feel like Alfred is you know, barking up the wrong 310 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.720 tree or whatever metaphor you want to use for hopelessness. 311 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:38.519 Like Alfred c is that there is the part of 312 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:40.519 him that still is that side of him and all that, 313 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.639 And just because we keep mentioning it, I didn't get 314 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:45.559 a chance he before my own quick Christopher Reeves story. 315 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:47.120 I'm about the same age as Paul. 316 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:49.960 We didn't know each other back then, but I got 317 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:51.960 to say, very proudly when I was in nursing school 318 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.840 or kindergarten that my daddy sued Superman because Christopher Reeves 319 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:59.600 owned the top floor of a co op building he 320 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:01.759 wanted some construction in the ability that wanted to do. 321 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.039 My father wound up representing the building and so bringing 322 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:06.599 a lawsuit against Christopher Reeves. 323 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.759 But yeah, it's just funny that Christopher reeb keeps coming 324 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:16.160 up because they went to Juilliard together. Oh yeah, really, yeah, 325 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:20.160 I was doing Yeah, yeah, I wrote an obituary for 326 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:23.759 Kevin Conroy for book Riot, which it's going to go 327 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:25.559 up at some point this week, I'm not sure what day. 328 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:28.319 And so I did a little bit of research and 329 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.759 I was reading like various like the Warner Brothers press 330 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.200 release about his passing. But he studied at Juilliard with 331 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.319 a whole host of you know, well known actors, including 332 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:41.079 Christopher Reeve and Robin Williams, who was his roommate. And 333 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.799 I just looked at those three names and I was like, like, 334 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.400 it's the saddest list. Like they were all so talented, 335 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:53.079 they're all so by all accounts, wonderful people, and they're 336 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:56.559 all gone far too soon, and it's just heartbreaking. 337 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.160 Yeah, and there's something really beautiful about that they all 338 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.440 went to Juilliard. Because I'm going to talk about the 339 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:05.640 way this is often conceived and acknowledging that there's some 340 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:07.279 problematic classiest ideas in this. 341 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.880 But like I think often we think of like, oh, you. 342 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:13.920 Know, Juilliard or Yale or Dramtary, like that's where like 343 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.359 the real actors go, you know, and that those people 344 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.319 then go on to do Shakespeare and like the serious acting. 345 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:21.680 And so knowing that these three went on to do 346 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.319 you know, stand up comedy and then a lot of 347 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:26.440 like comedic movies, although they often had a lot of 348 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:28.720 very serious acting in them, and then the other two 349 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.480 were primarily superhero actors for most of their life, one 350 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:34.319 on voice, one on screen. It's kind of hilarious, but 351 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.960 it's also really telling about how we can often really 352 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:42.200 undervalue the talent that goes into these things. And that 353 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:44.160 kind of leads me to telling my own story about 354 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.759 my connection to this show, because it's one hundred percent 355 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:50.200 because of Paul, because I did watch some episodes of 356 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:53.160 it during high school, but mostly my memory of it 357 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.640 is my friends would get stoned and want to watch 358 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.799 animated shows, and Batman the animated series was the thing 359 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:01.759 we watched while I was waiting for us to watch 360 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:03.799 Dark Wing Duck, which you. 361 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.440 Know, fanatically all of a piece. 362 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:07.720 Yeah, very much. 363 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.160 So, you know a lot of amag Duck having the 364 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:13.599 far better theme song. I will say, but I never 365 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:15.359 it was the thing that my friends liked to laugh 366 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:16.000 at when they were. 367 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.480 Stoned, and you know, it was like, it's fine, but 368 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:20.119 I never really did it very seriously. 369 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:22.000 And then when Paul and I were having all these 370 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.279 great conversations that the conversations that would eventually lead to 371 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:29.279 this podcast about Batman and stuff, Paul would keep mentioning, 372 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.160 you know, Batman and made a series, and I was like, no, 373 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:32.839 but it's he animated. I'm not gonna like it. I'm 374 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:35.160 not gonna get into it. And when I finally sat 375 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:37.519 down and really watched it, of course I discovered what 376 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.799 so many others have that it's brilliant storytelling and has 377 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.079 some of the joy of animated shows, to be sure, 378 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:47.160 but is I mean, there's a lot of animation, especially 379 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.240 now that isn't like just for kids, but especially back then. 380 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:52.960 It was kind of unique, particular something that came out, 381 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.400 you know, weekday afternoons, and I think it was Kevin 382 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:59.079 so much of that, you know, for all the things 383 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:00.039 we're talking about. 384 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.079 And as I was trying. 385 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:03.839 To kind of put my arms around, like what it 386 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.279 was that made his influence so powerful, the thing that 387 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:08.839 I kept coming back to. And I want to kind 388 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:10.480 of let each of us talk about maybe one thing 389 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:14.480 about Kevin Conry's performance when we spoke to them. It's 390 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:17.240 for me, it's the way he interacts with the villains, 391 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.640 especially the ones who has some sympathy for I think 392 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.000 there's a lot of opinions of Badman and a lot 393 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:28.000 of portrayals of him that is the you know, he 394 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.279 he is vengeance, he is the Knight, He is the 395 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:32.720 one who's going to punish the bad guys and make 396 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.119 them fearful. And I think there's a lot of that 397 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:38.799 even with Kevin Conroy. But some of my favorite episodes 398 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.279 are the one where he's with Grundy or with Ace 399 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:47.480 who that episode, or with Harley, you know, like Harley's 400 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.559 Bad Day, where it's so clear that he both wants 401 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.920