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<v Speaker 1>Boundless Authenticity Podcast. Thanks for tuning in to the Boundless

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<v Speaker 1>Authenticity Podcast. My guest today is Thomas better known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Paranoid American. I have to laugh a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>because I was recently on his podcast Paranoid American, and

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<v Speaker 1>afterwards I got an email from someone saying they heard

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<v Speaker 1>me on the Annoyed American podcast. I just sent back

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<v Speaker 1>an email saying that's the wrong ooid. It's paranoid, not annoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. I'm going to have to get that

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<v Speaker 2>domain too now though. Annoyed American. Yeah, just as the

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<v Speaker 2>same ring to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we found a hole in your whole system.

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<v Speaker 1>And I could guess that sometimes you get a little

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<v Speaker 1>annoyed too. I know I do, to say the least.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, if you want to find him, go to

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<v Speaker 1>Paranoid American dot com. He's on Instagram under the same handle,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can learn more about conspiracy theme comic books,

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<v Speaker 1>and get some cool t shirts and playing cards and

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<v Speaker 1>other trinkets, as well as tune into the podcast. So

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<v Speaker 1>what Thomas has actually done is created an incredible and

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<v Speaker 1>very factual documentary called Adrenochrome, Freemasonry and mk Ultra It's

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<v Speaker 1>only twenty one minutes and fifteen seconds long, probably less

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<v Speaker 1>time than it takes for you to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>bed or make a cup of coffee or whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is you do, so there's no excuse not to watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find it on Rumble, and it has been

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<v Speaker 1>banned from pretty much every other major platform except for X,

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<v Speaker 1>So you can find that on x dot com, slash

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<v Speaker 1>Paranoid America, and I have the links in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>But the major question for today's episode is what does

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<v Speaker 1>adrenochrome have to do with freemasonry and mk ultra. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're also going to get into the origins and what

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<v Speaker 1>it actually is and provide you with as many facts

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. So what's going on, sir?

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<v Speaker 3>It's going great man.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, coincidentally, this morning I had someone blow up on

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<v Speaker 2>my Twitter threads, originally disputing but then eventually offering to

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<v Speaker 2>procure adrenochrome from a research lab and deliver it to

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<v Speaker 2>me in person. I have taken them up on this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I haven't gotten a response yet, but it seems

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<v Speaker 2>that my research into this topic has only started.

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<v Speaker 1>That is great. I mean, I'm laughing my ass off.

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<v Speaker 1>People will say just about anything on the internet, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and again that lends to the unhealthy site of the

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<v Speaker 1>discussion about these things. But my first question is what

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<v Speaker 1>is adrenochrome.

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<v Speaker 2>Gernochrome is a naturally occurring chemical that's in our blood

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I don't want to I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>alarm anybody, but if you're listening and you can hear

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<v Speaker 2>my voice, you literally have adrenochrome in your bloodstream at

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<v Speaker 2>this exact moment, and there's nothing you can do about it,

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<v Speaker 2>because adrenochrome is just a natural byproduct of your body

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<v Speaker 2>processing adrenaline. If your body doesn't process adrenaline, it causes

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<v Speaker 2>problems for your heart, so it has to break down

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<v Speaker 2>and oxidize in some way, adrenochrome being one of the

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<v Speaker 2>many different forms that a rhinolan eventually degrades into. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the short, quick answer of adrenochrome, and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>the more controversial aspect is that it is likely, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least has been shown to be in studies dating

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<v Speaker 2>back seventy plus years, that is a psychoactive chemical that

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<v Speaker 2>can actively cause hallucinations, distortion, and perception, all the things

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<v Speaker 2>that you would expect from LSD mescaline psilocybe, all of

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<v Speaker 2>these different chemicals. It's a little bit more mild when

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<v Speaker 2>you compare it to all of those, but it absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>has been documented to have all of these effects. That's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the entry point into adrenochrome. And then if

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<v Speaker 2>you get way down the rabbit hole, depending on which

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<v Speaker 2>movies and TV and conspiracy theories you've read, they might

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<v Speaker 2>just be popping like a capri sun straw into a

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<v Speaker 2>baby's head and torturing it and sucking the adrenochrome straight

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<v Speaker 2>out of the pineal gland. None of that part is true,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, or at least the pineal gland aspect.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's kind of an amalgamation of what is a

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<v Speaker 2>drenochrome from three different perspectives.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that we know that this thing is a real thing,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the exact biological effects that it has on

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<v Speaker 2>This is where it comes into a slight dispute. So

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<v Speaker 2>almost all of the research that specifically talks about the

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<v Speaker 2>psychoactive effects of adrenochrome comes from two to three scientists,

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<v Speaker 2>Abram Hoffer, Humphrey Osmond, and a guy named John Smithy's

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<v Speaker 2>all three of them tended to collaborate with each other

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<v Speaker 2>in various aspects, and ironically, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>they shared in common is the Scottish Rite Northern jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty third degree Supreme Council was the main financier of

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<v Speaker 2>all of this adrenochrome research, dating to at least the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirties through the mid nineteen seventies, so the specifically

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen six the Abramhoffer and Osmond published an entire

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<v Speaker 2>study where they tested a bunch of different people twenty

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<v Speaker 2>different people, I think actually thirty four separate people all

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<v Speaker 2>were given a drenochrome and were asked what the subjective

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<v Speaker 2>effects were. Out of those thirty four people, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the most interesting part. Twenty of them got active adrenochrome.

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<v Speaker 2>Fourteen of them got a placebo all right. Out of

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<v Speaker 2>the placebo group, only one person reported any alteration in

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<v Speaker 2>their perception of thought, mood, personality, what have you. Out

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<v Speaker 2>of that placebo group, half of them, seven of the

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen reported getting anxiety from a drenochrome. Again, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was the placebo group. So it does make sense that

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<v Speaker 2>someone gives you a drug and you're just sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for it to take effect. Maybe you get anxious

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<v Speaker 2>over that, which contrasts heavily with the twenty people that

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<v Speaker 2>took active adrenochrome. One of those people out of the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty reported anxiety, and over half overwhelmingly described changes to perception,

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<v Speaker 2>changes to their thought, changes in their mood, changes in

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<v Speaker 2>their personality, and a carryover effect the next day, and

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<v Speaker 2>that they could still feel the effects of the adrenochrome

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<v Speaker 2>a full day after.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a very small sample size.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, thirty four is almost nothing when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to this type of research. And this is also highlights

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<v Speaker 2>one of the weird and unique aspects of adrenochrome research,

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<v Speaker 2>and that outside of Abramhoffer, smith E's and Osmond, almost

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<v Speaker 2>nobody has looked into the psychedelic or psychoactive effects of

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<v Speaker 2>this drug. And in fact, Hawfer even sites in his

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<v Speaker 2>own papers from the fifties and sixties that the researchers

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<v Speaker 2>that tended to try and discredit his findings and said

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<v Speaker 2>that these were, you know, false findings. They did not

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<v Speaker 2>do a drenochrome research. They just read the paper and

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<v Speaker 2>then responded to it without saying and here's my research

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<v Speaker 2>providing evidence to the counter. None of that has actually

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<v Speaker 2>ever happened. As far as I'm aware, So this is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like the original concept, and that's just the

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<v Speaker 2>human trials. And they did it on themselves, their friends,

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<v Speaker 2>their wives, like part of that sample group I just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>we're the wives of these researchers. So they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just brought it home from the lab, got their friends together,

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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey, who wants to try this crazy stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>So that's about as far as the human psychedelic research goes,

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<v Speaker 2>But there are plenty of other documented research. They tested

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<v Speaker 2>it on spiders, pigeons, mice, rabbits, cats, dogs, monkeys, everything

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<v Speaker 2>you can think of. One of the best examples I

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<v Speaker 2>got of this, and this might be a little bit dated,

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<v Speaker 2>but I remember growing up seeing all sorts of educational

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<v Speaker 2>films and reading books in the school library about LSD

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<v Speaker 2>and mescaline psilocybin, and one of the most famous sequences

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<v Speaker 2>were these pictures of spiders where they would give an

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<v Speaker 2>orb weaver spider different psychedelics and then analyze how that

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<v Speaker 2>affected the way that they would create the pattern in

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<v Speaker 2>their web. Because or weaver spiders have a very specific

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<v Speaker 2>pattern that they repeat over and over. It's incredibly consistent.

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<v Speaker 2>So once they started introducing LSD and all kinds of things, cocaine.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they gave him mescaline. You could see a

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<v Speaker 2>direct yes, you could see an immediate And actually the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that did this was named Peter and Witt. This

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<v Speaker 2>was in the nineteen forties. He was a German pharmacologist

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<v Speaker 2>and he puts together all of these in nineteen fifty four,

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred different pictures of all these spiders. Among those,

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<v Speaker 2>typically the LSD ones get shown around a lot. It's like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>look this tripper, this spider got the trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at this web.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was also included adrenochrome, and the adrenochrome experiment

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<v Speaker 2>with the or weaver spider also showed the same sort

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<v Speaker 2>of abnormality in when they went to go and create

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<v Speaker 2>their web. So I think that was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first times when it was like, oh, there might be

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<v Speaker 2>an objective relation here. This is also exactly where the

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<v Speaker 2>public even hears about adrenochrome. We hear about adrenochrome through

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<v Speaker 2>outus Huxley's Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actually mentioned two times by page three in Doors of Perception,

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<v Speaker 2>and the reason that he even wrote about it is

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<v Speaker 2>because outus Huxley was given his first dose of mescaline

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<v Speaker 2>from Humphrey Osmond, the same guy that was collaborating with

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<v Speaker 2>Abrahm Hoffernol. So there's a direct connection between these three

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<v Speaker 2>people that kind of were unique in that they were

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<v Speaker 2>studying psychoactive effects of adrenochrome, going directly to out as

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<v Speaker 2>Huxley out as Huxley writes it in his book, and

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<v Speaker 2>he lists it alongside mescaline psilocybin LSD. So here is

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<v Speaker 2>a very direct connection of it being a known psychedelic,

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<v Speaker 2>with multiple researchers all confirming this, multiple papers, all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of different animals tested on having a predictable and repeatable results. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know how much more I can

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<v Speaker 2>put on the table to convince that this is not

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<v Speaker 2>just a random conspiracy theory somebody thought up when they

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<v Speaker 2>were shooting Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, the movie adaptation, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I believe Terry Gilliam in the director

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<v Speaker 2>commentary of that movie makes this claim that they made

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<v Speaker 2>it up for the movie, as like this fictional thing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also demonstrably false.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, we all know that Hunter S. Thompson was

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<v Speaker 1>on something a lot of somethings.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't doubt that he was actually doing a drenochrome,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of people that come to disprove a

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<v Speaker 2>drenochrome as a psychedelic or even as a chemical at all,

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<v Speaker 2>which is even crazier. But a lot of people if

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<v Speaker 2>they hone it down and just like, oh, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually have any effects, a lot of it is based

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<v Speaker 2>on them. Assuming that all of that came from Fear

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<v Speaker 2>and Loathing, which I mean, the book was like nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy one, I think, predating the movie by at least

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<v Speaker 2>twenty plus years. And even in Fear and Loathing that

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<v Speaker 2>Hunter S. Thompson wrote about, he wasn't even the first one.

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<v Speaker 2>It was written about in fiction three or four times

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<v Speaker 2>prior to that, up to a decade or earlier before.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's been around for a while. Science has known

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess I'll squeeze in one little aspect here

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<v Speaker 2>because the title of that documentary I made is called

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<v Speaker 2>Adrenochrome Freemasonry and mk Ultra. I am full well you know,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that that is a very like click baity title,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also one hundred percent accurate and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons why I don't think we know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about adrenochrome as a psychedelic is because during that transition,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in like the mid fifties, is when a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these studies were being published. That orb Weaver Spider

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<v Speaker 2>I just mentioned, mk Ultra takes the stage, and at

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<v Speaker 2>that point the US government decides all psychedelics are kind

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<v Speaker 1>he's the guy that spiked the punch with everything I

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<v Speaker 1>remember reading about him, and he would just dose everybody

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he earned the nickname Dirty Tricks. That was his

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<v Speaker 1>I remember reading the story about they stopped taking cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>from him or something like that, because you never know

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<v Speaker 2>laboratories for the CIA, and he was basically given LSD

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<v Speaker 2>And I bet I'm gonna assume because we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of his subjective records, but basically like sees

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<v Speaker 2>biochemical warfare. Maybe what I'm doing isn't right, and almost

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<v Speaker 2>in a way becomes like a conscientious objector before maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a sealed window that didn't normally open. It

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<v Speaker 2>to have been broken from that anyway, without getting into

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<v Speaker 2>that whole case. That is basically one of the better

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<v Speaker 2>examples that's documented of the type of guy Sidney Gottlieb was.

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<v Speaker 2>He would basically dose a coworker and then gaslight them

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<v Speaker 2>in their family for decades. And I think one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most important aspects of this is before anyone knew

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not like he would just dose.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone and then someone's like, oh, I think someone gave

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<v Speaker 2>me a psychedelic and then you can kind of process

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<v Speaker 2>that this would just be you start seeing things and

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<v Speaker 2>hearing things and have absolutely no idea where it's coming from,

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't even know that this is something being

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<v Speaker 2>actively researched. That must have been a next level of terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I think the takeaway for the listeners is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of people that these researchers were, like, they would

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<v Speaker 1>with thinking there was no consequence, and adrenochrome is probably

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. You know, they probably just did whatever

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<v Speaker 1>because they burned most of those documents. Right when you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Frank Olsen and stuff, you're talking about things

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, half of it's gone for one reason

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<v Speaker 1>or another because didn't his daughter or somebody like that

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<v Speaker 2>And absolutely only after they exhumed the body and had

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<v Speaker 2>it investigated. Against the CIA's suggestions, they were like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to traumatize yourself, you want to see,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, your dead dad decaying and decide like, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just let you know, sleeping dogs lie. But they exhumed

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<v Speaker 2>the body and then through that process and doing a

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<v Speaker 2>very very post mortem autopsy, discovered that there was also

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<v Speaker 2>blunt force trauma to the back of the head or

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<v Speaker 2>it might have been I think it was from the

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<v Speaker 2>back of the head. Which kind of gave more evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that he was dead before he hit the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>This you mentioned they got away with it, like not

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<v Speaker 2>only they get away with it, almost every person in

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<v Speaker 2>these level of m K each's research, Gottlieb and doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Ewen Cameron and a whole list of them, they basically

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<v Speaker 2>lived to old age retirement, you know, uh, just doing

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<v Speaker 2>what they want to do. There was there was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much no real repercussions for any of this legally, socially,

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<v Speaker 1>So was in doctor ew And Cameron involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>adrenochrome studies too.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I don't believe doctor Ewan Cameron was involved

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<v Speaker 2>in that. He was just another MK ultra scientist that

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<v Speaker 2>also got to basically have free reign on human experimentation

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<v Speaker 2>with no real legal repercussions. I do believe that some

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<v Speaker 2>of those victims sued the state, so Canada eventually because

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<v Speaker 2>I believe he was at Montreal, so Canada eventually pays out,

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<v Speaker 2>just like when the family of Frank Olsen sues the CIA.

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<v Speaker 2>The state pays out, but the actual people involved like this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the city got leaves and the ew and

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<v Speaker 2>Cameron's and the long list of other George Hunter whites.

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<v Speaker 2>They aren't ever really brought any sort of consequences.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean, it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird state of being, right when you're like, that person

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<v Speaker 2>did this illegal thing that caused my family to lose

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<v Speaker 2>a member and like, Okay, don't worry, the government will

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<v Speaker 2>cut you this check. And it's like, wait, but that

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<v Speaker 2>guy is like still out roaming and publishing books and

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<v Speaker 2>being accredited. So it's it's sort of a sad outcome,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when you look into any of the victims and

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to them. The best case scenario is they

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<v Speaker 2>might have gotten like a few hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's even sadder because that is exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of system that we do live in and hasn't changed.

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<v Speaker 1>People are allowed to do whatever they want to you

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<v Speaker 1>and roam the streets, and the government thinks they can

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<v Speaker 1>just pay you off. You know. But I got to

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<v Speaker 1>ask a question about, you know, the conspiracy theory aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of this thing, Like why do you think Adream and

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<v Speaker 1>Chrome is mostly just a conspiracy theory to people? And

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<v Speaker 1>why do they always try to bring in the elite

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<v Speaker 1>and the sacrifices and the human trafficking and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that have to do with anything? Well, why

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<v Speaker 2>does any conspiracy theory exists? Because there is an intentional

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<v Speaker 2>obfuscation of information. There's a complete lack of transparency which

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<v Speaker 2>invites a lot of speculations. So, like I was even

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier, even Abram Hawfer, during his research in the

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<v Speaker 2>fifties made this very specific note of like, hey, it's

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<v Speaker 2>weird that all these other scientists to keep trying to

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<v Speaker 2>discredit our work in our papers. They just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>handwave it and say, oh, that's not possible, and they

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<v Speaker 2>would publish it and get you know, there are credited researchers,

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<v Speaker 2>so people would read those and say, oh, well, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>B says that doctor A is wrong about that. So

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that it was all a fake scam all

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with.

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<v Speaker 3>And this was blowing.

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<v Speaker 2>Hoffer's mind at the time too, Why is anyone doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>And again I think it does lead into they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to keep any sort of psychedelics research which kind of

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<v Speaker 2>under wraps for military and sort of intelligence reasons, And

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<v Speaker 2>that is that intentional obfuscation, a lack of transparency. You

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<v Speaker 2>let that fester for about seventy years and now, the

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<v Speaker 2>only outlet that adrenochrome research has starts without as Huxley's

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<v Speaker 2>there's a perception, and then it works its way into

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<v Speaker 2>science fiction and sort of like horror novels, and not

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<v Speaker 2>beyond that, there's really no other research aside from Abrahmhoffer's

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<v Speaker 2>work that goes into this aspect of it. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's half of it. The other half, too, is that

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<v Speaker 2>when it gets into the conspiracy theory angle, it gets

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<v Speaker 2>conflated very often with two different topics. One of those

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<v Speaker 2>is pineal gland, which we could talk about, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not really related to adrenochrome in any tangible way.

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<v Speaker 3>But also.

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<v Speaker 2>Adrenochrome is incredibly unique in addition to adrenaline, which was

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<v Speaker 2>first synthesized in nineteen oh one. So this is it's

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<v Speaker 2>fairly new and the scope of you know, humanity, and

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<v Speaker 2>even just like modern science, they finally discover how to

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<v Speaker 2>synthesize adrenaline. From there, they start recognizing that adrenaline is

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<v Speaker 2>chemically very similar to mescaline in a host of other

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<v Speaker 2>sort of serotonergic drugs that have these like pronounced effects.

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<v Speaker 2>They start walking backwards and one of the ideas is

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<v Speaker 2>oh i wonder if people that have schizophrenia or dementia

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<v Speaker 2>or getting into these hallucinogenic fits, I wonder if there's

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of a blood in their or a drug

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<v Speaker 2>in their bloodstream that's causing these hallucinations. And this goes

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<v Speaker 2>back way way before nineteen oh one. I think even

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<v Speaker 2>Carl Jung had an assumption of something called toxin X,

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<v Speaker 2>which in itself is based on even older research from

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<v Speaker 2>like ancient times that alls were trying to explain away

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<v Speaker 2>dimension schizophrenia as like this outside thing or a chemical

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<v Speaker 2>imbalance before that term even existed inside the body. And

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<v Speaker 2>eventually they isolate the blood of Skitzer front of patients

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<v Speaker 2>detect high levels of adrenochrome, and then start to assume, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this chemical in the blood called adrenochrome.

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<v Speaker 3>It's making them act crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason that I sort of brought all that up

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<v Speaker 2>is because the conspiracy comes from that this is actually

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<v Speaker 2>in human blood. You can theoretically and very feasibly take

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<v Speaker 2>a human being, extract their blood and then convert that

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<v Speaker 2>into adrenochrome and then ingest that adrenochrome and have a

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<v Speaker 2>psychedelic experience.

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't be cut and dry or very easy.

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<v Speaker 2>It would probably be the least efficient way of obtaining

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<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome would be to like go through human's blood and

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<v Speaker 2>isolating all this. You'd probably watch it oxidize right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of you and lose all of its potency in

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<v Speaker 2>that process. But it is theoretically possible to do all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. So now you have the first instance of

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<v Speaker 2>blood magic, but now in a secular scientific term, where

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<v Speaker 2>maybe before it was just rumors and legends and stories

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<v Speaker 2>about oh, you know, you torture someone and you drink

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<v Speaker 2>their blood and you get to talk to God. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>now there's a scientific basis for that. So as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as that happens, which I think is around the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirties to forties, but by the fifties, when this is

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<v Speaker 2>being actively talked about by Huxley and by all the

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<v Speaker 2>science fiction writers, they kind of run with this because

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<v Speaker 2>it's the perfect blending of blood libel conspiracies, of all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of other like sacrificial conspiracies. So it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>meets this old world and the new world, and the

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracies can just like thrive in this because now there's

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<v Speaker 2>an essential focal point of some of the oldest taboos

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<v Speaker 2>that we've got matched with a chemical that no one

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<v Speaker 2>was necessarily allowed to research or publish any of their

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, fair enough, that seems to be the way

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<v Speaker 1>that is the conspiracy theories, though. It's just always enough

419
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<v Speaker 1>information to confuse the shit out of you, and so

420
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<v Speaker 1>you never actually really understand what's going on unless you're

421
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<v Speaker 1>willing to go really deep, you know, and I don't

422
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<v Speaker 1>think very many want to go that deep. It's easier

423
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<v Speaker 1>to just have things that are like brain candy. You

424
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<v Speaker 1>can talk about it with your friends or get over

425
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<v Speaker 1>whatever jolly's you get out of it, you know.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Well, and there's another even more important dynamic here, I

427
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<v Speaker 2>guess more relevant now in the twenty twenties, because I

428
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<v Speaker 2>don't know what kind of censorship would have been around

429
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<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome in the nineteen nineties. Have you just started publishing

430
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<v Speaker 2>papers or talking about it. I don't know if that

431
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<v Speaker 2>had achieved the same sort of nefarious conspiracy theory lore

432
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<v Speaker 2>and all the baggage that comes with it. But what

433
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<v Speaker 2>I think started fascinating me the most was that when

434
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<v Speaker 2>I started posting about this, like, hey, here's a research

435
00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:38.799
<v Speaker 2>paper from the nineteen fifties, here's evidence that they tested

436
00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:42.440
<v Speaker 2>it on spider's pigeon, mice, rabbits, cats, monkeys, humans, Right,

437
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:46.200
<v Speaker 2>here's a documented evidence. And those posts would get like

438
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<v Speaker 2>strikes and like accounts banned. And it was the weirdest

439
00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:52.640
<v Speaker 2>thing because I guess, in my weird monkey brain in

440
00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:54.559
<v Speaker 2>the back, it was like, wait a minute, I'm just

441
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<v Speaker 2>publishing research paper from the fifties.

442
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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty boring. It's not even really saying anything.

443
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<v Speaker 2>If anything, it says they're fairly mild compared to the

444
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<v Speaker 2>other psychedelics known. Yet any mention of adrenochrome would kind

445
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<v Speaker 2>of get classified as misinformation or hate speech or violent

446
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<v Speaker 2>dangerous speech.

447
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<v Speaker 3>And that's I think what piqued my curiosity.

448
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:19.440
<v Speaker 2>The most out of anything was that why is this

449
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:23.200
<v Speaker 2>otherwise benign, naturally occurring chemical that's in our blood right now?

450
00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:25.319
<v Speaker 3>Why is this such a taboo subject?

451
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<v Speaker 2>And why did it get conflated with like all of

452
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<v Speaker 2>this QAnon and all these other I guess, like radical

453
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.599
<v Speaker 2>extremist conspiracies. So I guess part of me is like

454
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<v Speaker 2>the Lady Doth protests too much in a way, like

455
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<v Speaker 2>why is there so much censorship about not letting anyone

456
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<v Speaker 2>mention this why not let people talk about it and

457
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<v Speaker 2>then just point out, oh, that's not true. Here's the facts.

458
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<v Speaker 2>But it's just any discussion of it is not allowed.

459
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<v Speaker 1>I totally understand how you feel, because I'm in the

460
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.279
<v Speaker 1>same boat as you with all this stuff I talk about.

461
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I get hit with strikes for no reason.

462
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<v Speaker 1>You know, YouTube doesn't even want me on there anymore.

463
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.720
<v Speaker 2>And the one that proved it to me the most,

464
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<v Speaker 2>and everyone that I knew that had already been streaming

465
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and doing YouTube for years and years before I even

466
00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.160
<v Speaker 2>thought about creating a channel. But they're like, man, just

467
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<v Speaker 2>don't do it. Don't talk about it, Adrenochrome, don't post

468
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<v Speaker 2>a video. You're wasting your time working on this twenty

469
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<v Speaker 2>minute because it took me like a couple of months

470
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<v Speaker 2>to really put all of it together. And I'm just thinking, like,

471
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.759
<v Speaker 2>you guys are insane, Like you're just paranoid conspiracy Like

472
00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I'm in the same world too. But

473
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<v Speaker 2>if I just post scientific research and I show here's

474
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<v Speaker 2>the research paper and don't make any salacious claims, don't

475
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<v Speaker 2>say anything about babies or torture or black magic or

476
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<v Speaker 2>blood like.

477
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<v Speaker 3>None of that.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Just all science, No one's going to take this down.

479
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.680
<v Speaker 2>What are they going to strike like a research paper.

480
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<v Speaker 2>It turns out yes, not only will they also do that.

481
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<v Speaker 2>But I was like, okay, well, maybe it's the mention

482
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<v Speaker 2>of the word drug or psychedelic, or maybe because I

483
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<v Speaker 2>mentioned ibogain or you know, mushrooms or any of these.

484
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 2>So I went back through the documentary and I literally

485
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:08.440
<v Speaker 2>beeped out every single instance of the word blood, drug, drenochrome, cocaine, DMT,

486
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.160
<v Speaker 2>like anything at all that you couldn't say in front

487
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:14.279
<v Speaker 2>of a like a fifth grade elementary class, right. I

488
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:17.319
<v Speaker 2>bleeped all of that out. I even went onto the

489
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>visuals and off you. I even used the mosaic or

490
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.319
<v Speaker 2>just like a little black bar, and I blocked out

491
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<v Speaker 2>every single time those words were shown on the screen.

492
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<v Speaker 2>And even doing all of that, I still was getting

493
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:33.319
<v Speaker 2>strikes and takedowns from uploading this. So at that point

494
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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, I get the message. Everyone that

495
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:38.039
<v Speaker 2>was telling me that this is just like the ultimate

496
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 2>taboo subject that you're not allowed to talk about in

497
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<v Speaker 2>any capacity.

498
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:43.319
<v Speaker 3>They were right and I was wrong.

499
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<v Speaker 2>And I still it's still hard for me to like

500
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.640
<v Speaker 2>sort of understand why any of that would happen. Why

501
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.160
<v Speaker 2>was the twenty minute documentary that you saw, Why is

502
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.359
<v Speaker 2>that being classified as hate speech? Like that's literally the

503
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.200
<v Speaker 2>takedown was that it was related to hate speech. And

504
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it is because this connection of blood libel

505
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.039
<v Speaker 2>to adrenochrome, which only exists in the minds of a

506
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:10.400
<v Speaker 2>small minority of people, it seems.

507
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think if anybody really understood how deep

508
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 1>it went, they would figure out that all of their

509
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>false idols on TV and you know, their favorite musicians

510
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:24.119
<v Speaker 1>and everything were probably inculcated into something that was quite dark.

511
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<v Speaker 1>And that's where you get into all the other crazy

512
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 1>stuff like spirit cooking and all this crazy shit. You know.

513
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<v Speaker 2>Well, and there's another interesting intersection that I didn't expect

514
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.480
<v Speaker 2>to come up on all this too. But some of

515
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:39.119
<v Speaker 2>the names in the spirit cooking and the Pizza Gate

516
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.079
<v Speaker 2>and all of that, a prevalent name that comes up

517
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 2>often is Podesta, right, John and Tony Podesta brothers. And

518
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.279
<v Speaker 2>in fact, the whole Pizza gate came from leaked emails

519
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:54.279
<v Speaker 2>from Podesta's email account that got fished, I believe because

520
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.160
<v Speaker 2>he had like some really base It was like Speed

521
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.400
<v Speaker 2>one two three four, Runner one two three four something

522
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 2>like really easy. Got into the emails, they find these

523
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.640
<v Speaker 2>weird cryptic messages about maps on handkerchiefs, the pizza places

524
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 2>and walnut sauce and all like I'm sure you've heard

525
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 2>all of the rumors of all these things.

526
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.680
<v Speaker 3>But there's also an interesting connection.

527
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>To like this world of high art, like the artistic society,

528
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>where the Marina Bramovic type of characters come into play.

529
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 3>Right.

530
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<v Speaker 2>They do all of these spear cooking sessions, typically in

531
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>these modern museums of art or in these like high

532
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>falutin sort of environments where people pay fifty thousand dollars

533
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:36.759
<v Speaker 2>for a plate, so just to be in the grace

534
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.160
<v Speaker 2>of celebrities and artists doing this thing so they can

535
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.559
<v Speaker 2>feel like they're cultured. Well, the very first time that

536
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm aware of the Adrenochrome enters the art world was

537
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.319
<v Speaker 2>in either ninety four or ninety six by a very

538
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:54.279
<v Speaker 2>popular artist, the richest artist in the UK, named Damien Hurst,

539
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:58.279
<v Speaker 2>and he puts out this series of paintings called Dots.

540
00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.519
<v Speaker 3>He put out a lot of them.

541
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:04.839
<v Speaker 2>One of those paintings in particular was called Adrenochrome semiicarbazone

542
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.359
<v Speaker 2>something or other. But now you've got a painting where

543
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.400
<v Speaker 2>someone has drawn adrenochrome, it gets snatched up by a

544
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 2>German collector. It was his first large purchase that happened

545
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.079
<v Speaker 2>at Christie's in London. Fifteen years later, he's now the

546
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>richest UK artist on the planet. I think last net

547
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.160
<v Speaker 2>worth was estimated around three hundred and ninety million dollars.

548
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Not that it all came from that adrenochrome painting, but

549
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>the reason that I bring this up is that here

550
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>is the high art world now sort of like engaging

551
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 2>with this adrenochrome concept. Damien Hurst is also known for

552
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 2>some pretty provocative works, lots of people that have been

553
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 2>cut in half, sculptures, not real people, but like pregnant

554
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.359
<v Speaker 2>women that have been cut in half to reveal the

555
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:51.519
<v Speaker 2>inside of the body, the inside of the fetus, like

556
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.480
<v Speaker 2>pretty visceral stuff. He also was pretty famous about one

557
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 2>called I think it was like Mother and Calf or something,

558
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:02.759
<v Speaker 2>and this is where he cut a cow and its

559
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 2>calf in half, suspended them from aldehyde and in glass

560
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and put this in art museums. So you we just

561
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 2>walked through and the whole art exhibit was just a

562
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>cow slice in half and you could see inside of

563
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>its body, so again like this very visceral aspect. One

564
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:20.559
<v Speaker 2>of the collectors of Damien Hurst's other work, which is

565
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>documented well documented on art websites, are the Podesta brothers,

566
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.279
<v Speaker 2>in particular Tony Podesta collected a number of them, some

567
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:32.559
<v Speaker 2>of them even more strange than a picture of dots,

568
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Like a lot of them were maps of like World

569
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 2>War three and different places with like body counts, as

570
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>if bombs were going to hit Europe and how many

571
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.519
<v Speaker 2>people would die there. And we're talking about an art

572
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 2>piece here, right, Just an interesting collect you know, eclectic

573
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 2>collection of things that the Podesta brothers were into. But

574
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 2>this is I think where a lot of the conspiracy

575
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.480
<v Speaker 2>also gets conflated with all of this because now in

576
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 2>the high art world where they're doing spirit cooking, they're

577
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:05.759
<v Speaker 2>doing like these Pizzagate style rituals, politicians and celebrities join

578
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 2>in and it probably gives them this sense of again

579
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.440
<v Speaker 2>like I'm cultured now, like I'm just a boring politician.

580
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Normally I'm just I'm a lawyer, you know, on all

581
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 2>other aspects of life, and this boring lawyer that's just

582
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 2>doing court cases and rhetorical skills all day. But I

583
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:23.119
<v Speaker 2>want to feel like I'm part of like a bigger movement,

584
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>and I've got something more to my right brain and

585
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm more creative. So I think that that the artists

586
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:31.119
<v Speaker 2>also say, like, Hey, that guy's got money, but he's

587
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.000
<v Speaker 2>also got a big vacuous space.

588
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:33.640
<v Speaker 3>That he's trying to fill.

589
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Come into the fold, Come come to this like spirit

590
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 2>cooking ritual party with us. And it ends up being

591
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 2>a great collaboration between the two because now you've got

592
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>both people elevating the status of the other. You've got

593
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the artists that are now being justified and given credibility

594
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.839
<v Speaker 2>because of how close they are in relation to celebrities

595
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and politicians. But now you've also got politicians. It's like, look,

596
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm not just a suit and a lawyer. Like I'm

597
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.599
<v Speaker 2>a fancy artist too. Look I'm getting invited to MoMA again.

598
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Having said that, let's get back into the evidence that

599
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe adrenochrome has long, jefty promoting properties, Like what is

600
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>that about?

601
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this one comes specifically again from Abramhoffer, and

602
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Abramhoffer put out a number of papers. The very first

603
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:27.839
<v Speaker 2>one was called the adrenochrome hypothesis, and this was the

604
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>very beginning of him basically discussing the possibility that adrenochrome

605
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.119
<v Speaker 2>either caused schizophrenia or was somehow directly related to schizophrenia,

606
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and then I think the first version of this was

607
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.799
<v Speaker 2>sometime in the nineteen sixties. He continues to build on

608
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 2>this over and over, and by nineteen ninety six he

609
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.279
<v Speaker 2>puts out sort of a summary of all his other

610
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.400
<v Speaker 2>years of work up to that point, and in this

611
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 2>he has this hypothesis that kind of makes a lot

612
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 2>of sense, highly disputed by other people, the same ones

613
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 2>that have been disproving as credit since the fifties. But

614
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.599
<v Speaker 2>his idea is that if you were to oversimplify it,

615
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.759
<v Speaker 2>there's almost like two classes of people.

616
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.839
<v Speaker 3>There are those that are predisposed to heart.

617
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<v Speaker 2>Disease and cancer, and there are those that are predisposed

618
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 2>to dementia and schizophrenia. Is obviously are not too exclusively

619
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 2>mutual groups. There's plenty of cases where someone has both.

620
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 2>There's cases where someone has neither both personally and in

621
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>their family line. But his and I believe it's called

622
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome hypothesis revisited, and in this he states some pretty

623
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:44.079
<v Speaker 2>large claims, but that people that are predisposed to schizophrenia

624
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>or that have schizophrenia in their family line are more

625
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:54.880
<v Speaker 2>resistant to malignant cancers, so like, if they did get cancer,

626
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:56.839
<v Speaker 2>it would be something that they could have removed then

627
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't come back.

628
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 3>And also less instances of heart problems.

629
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 2>And then the opposite was also true that people that

630
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 2>had high instances of cancer in their family or heart

631
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>problems tended to not have schizophrenia in their family line.

632
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 2>So based on these very like initial observations, he goes

633
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>deeper and deeper into it all the way. I guess

634
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:20.119
<v Speaker 2>one of the most delagious claims he makes is that

635
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>the Bubonic plague or the Black plague, the people that

636
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:29.599
<v Speaker 2>survived it might have been majority schizophrenics, or at least

637
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:33.639
<v Speaker 2>have had the genetic trade of schizophrenia in their family line,

638
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:39.480
<v Speaker 2>and that this sort of implies that adrenochrome because let

639
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>me explain how drea chrome comes into this. Like I

640
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 2>mentioned in the nineteen thirties through fifties, that concept that

641
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:48.239
<v Speaker 2>young had of toxin acts or that schizophrenics just had

642
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 2>this weird chemical in their system making them act this way.

643
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 2>The assumption was that that chemical was a drenochrome. So

644
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the I guess the deduction here was that a drenochrome

645
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:03.280
<v Speaker 2>itself would cause schitzo, so therefore taking a drenochrome can

646
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>help you beat the bubonic plague, or taking adrenochrome can

647
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 2>help it make it so you won't get cancer and

648
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:11.679
<v Speaker 2>therefore you'll live longer. He also states things like a

649
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:17.599
<v Speaker 2>more youthful, a more youthful appearance, slower aging, less wrinkles,

650
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:22.440
<v Speaker 2>more creative, more poets, musicians artists will tend to be

651
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:27.480
<v Speaker 2>from families that have detailed history of a schizophrenia and dementia.

652
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 3>Again, this is not mutually exclusive.

653
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 2>This isn't like if you don't have schizophrena your family,

654
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 2>you'll never write a good song.

655
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:34.360
<v Speaker 3>That's not really how that worked.

656
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.760
<v Speaker 2>But this was highly conflated and acknowledged by Hoffer that

657
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.840
<v Speaker 2>it's not a drenochrome that is doing this. It's not

658
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:45.039
<v Speaker 2>that you just ingest a drenochrome and now you live longer,

659
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 2>and now you beat cancer and now you look younger.

660
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.760
<v Speaker 2>It's more so that if you have higher levels of

661
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome in your blood than a normal person, then it

662
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 2>also means that your body, for whatever reason, is sort

663
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:01.199
<v Speaker 2>of entering these fight or flight responses more often than

664
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 2>not compared to a baseline person, and that you might

665
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>not even realize this. Your body is just so good

666
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.119
<v Speaker 2>through your family line that you just happen to produce

667
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.000
<v Speaker 2>lots of adrenaline constantly, and your body's constantly processing it

668
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.280
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that you're not feeling the effects of

669
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 2>it having a heart attack or any other kind of problems.

670
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.119
<v Speaker 2>So that would go to say that that person that's

671
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.159
<v Speaker 2>constantly producing more adrenaline than others is exhibiting the signs

672
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 2>of someone that has dementia, schizophrenia and their family. So

673
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 2>really the adrenochrome hypothesis is more like, if you've got

674
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 2>schizophrenia in your family, there's a better chance that you'll

675
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.840
<v Speaker 2>live longer, even if it's not necessarily under the best terms,

676
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 2>like great, you live longer, but you might also have

677
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.880
<v Speaker 2>demnia as you get older. But you also pointed out

678
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:53.079
<v Speaker 2>that if you had a schizophrenia and recovered from it,

679
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.719
<v Speaker 2>specifically what they used to call dementia precox, which is

680
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.159
<v Speaker 2>if an old person gets dementia, it's just like grandpa's

681
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 2>sun setting, he's acting weird.

682
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:04.840
<v Speaker 3>That's what old people do, right. There's not like a

683
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 3>lot of hope for it.

684
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 2>But if you see a twenty year twenty year old

685
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 2>son acting like your eighty year old grandpa, and now

686
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:14.119
<v Speaker 2>it's a cause for concern because that isn't typically normal.

687
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>And without getting on a whole tangent that I don't

688
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:20.519
<v Speaker 2>have enough research on, but also that early onset schizophrenia

689
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 2>dementia PRECOX would tend to be linked to some sort

690
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:27.400
<v Speaker 2>of early traumatic experience, often sexual by nature, like as

691
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.239
<v Speaker 2>a kid. But it's not just like a switch that

692
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 2>just flips and all of a sudden your body is

693
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.199
<v Speaker 2>producing extra adrenaline and causing schizophrenia. There's like an actual

694
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>environmental stimulus that the body responds and enters this new state.

695
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:48.880
<v Speaker 2>So the whole adrenochrome hypothesis was more like the schizophrenic

696
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 2>bloodline hypothesis and how having schizophrenia in your family can

697
00:37:53.639 --> 00:38:00.559
<v Speaker 2>lead to longer youthful experience, more creative I guess like Russians.

698
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Now this easily gets conflated like, oh, you're saying that

699
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>if I drink adrenochrome, I can write a hit album

700
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>or I'm an artist. Now that's kind of where it

701
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:10.679
<v Speaker 2>gets taken to. If you if you simplify all into

702
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 2>like five words. That's kind of where a lot of

703
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>these conspiracy theories kind of come from, is that like

704
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:22.039
<v Speaker 2>misconception that adrenochrome is the thing, when really it's just

705
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.079
<v Speaker 2>a an indicator of something else going on.

706
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it doesn't help that they wave this stuff

707
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>right in front of your face too, because if you remember,

708
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and I know you, I know you know about this,

709
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>like that movie was it Bruce Willis or somebody? Death

710
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>becomes her? Who was it?

711
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:38.800
<v Speaker 3>MARYL. Street?

712
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm I thinking there right there.

713
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, And they've got a little pink vial of potion

714
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that lets them live forever.

715
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Essentially, they've got like a youth serum.

716
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then they I remember watching an episode or

717
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.599
<v Speaker 1>two of The Simpsons. I think it's actually mentioned several

718
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.280
<v Speaker 1>times in the Simpsons.

719
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 2>But episode it is called blood Feud, and this is

720
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:01.239
<v Speaker 2>where Montgomery Burns discovers that if you takes Bart's blood,

721
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.199
<v Speaker 2>then he can keep himself youthful.

722
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I think even more recently Machine Gun Kelly too,

723
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 1>they kind of wave that in front of your face

724
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:13.760
<v Speaker 1>in some one of his music videos too, where there's

725
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.800
<v Speaker 1>like some kind of a pink, reddish substance that they're

726
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>playing with I can't remember exactly what it is, but

727
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 1>I saw it and I was like, you gotta be

728
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.280
<v Speaker 1>kidding me, because it was I mean.

729
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>This also again adds to a little bit of the

730
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:31.760
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy inflation, because before even adrenaline was discovered, even if

731
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 2>you want to turn back the clock as far as

732
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.719
<v Speaker 2>you can, when the first person discovered the adrenal glands,

733
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like, I'm going to make up

734
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:40.840
<v Speaker 2>a number. I think it was like eighteen fifty eight.

735
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Then it was like some French guy, but no one

736
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>had necessarily put their finger on here's this substance that

737
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.480
<v Speaker 2>causes this kind of behavior or even gives any sort

738
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.320
<v Speaker 2>of youth serum properties. But what does go way before that?

739
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Are like Elizabeth of Bathory, right, the lady that would

740
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.079
<v Speaker 2>like bathe in the blood of young women and children

741
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:05.480
<v Speaker 2>in order to give herself a youthful appearance. Almost all

742
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:10.159
<v Speaker 2>blood magic can be tied back to these concepts of

743
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:15.239
<v Speaker 2>eternal youth or at least prolonging your life. So it's

744
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:18.800
<v Speaker 2>on a kind of a different track than adrenochrome. Specifically,

745
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>we're getting into blood magic, vampirism, even cannibalism in some cases.

746
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:25.880
<v Speaker 2>But I think The key point here is that in

747
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh one and then in the nineteen thirties, when

748
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome is discovered, a lot of people start saying, oh,

749
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.960
<v Speaker 2>this thing is like this thing, and it combines into

750
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the same thing, when really, I mean they're related tangentially,

751
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.320
<v Speaker 2>but it's not the same thing. I don't think there

752
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>was ever really a claim of a drenochrome specifically providing

753
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 2>everlasting youth until some of that Hoffer research came in. Now,

754
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>another thing that gets conflated, and I know it gets messy.

755
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>There's so many angles here. Another thing that gets conflated

756
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.679
<v Speaker 2>almost always, especially if you go on like Twitter or

757
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Instagram or any of the can speak re see threads

758
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and channels, is people will be like, oh, adrenochrome comes

759
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 2>from the pineal gland.

760
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's not true at all.

761
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:10.559
<v Speaker 2>The pineal glands in the center of your brain is

762
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>part of the endocrime system. It does regulate hormones, but

763
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 2>it does not regulate adrenaline. The adrenaline comes from your

764
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.679
<v Speaker 2>adrenal glands, which are on top of your kidneys, which

765
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>is pretty damn far away in relation within the human body.

766
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is like saying I got it in California,

767
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 2>but really you got it in New York. So these

768
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:31.519
<v Speaker 2>things are not the same. But some of the claims

769
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 2>about what the pineal gland could do to the human

770
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.880
<v Speaker 2>body reflect things that we hear now about adrenochrome. I've

771
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:41.719
<v Speaker 2>got newspaper articles that date back to the nineteen thirties

772
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and earlier that show they were feeding pineal glands the chickens,

773
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to cows, even to human beings, specifically children, and the

774
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>claim was that feeding children pineal glands, or feeding chicks

775
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.199
<v Speaker 2>or caves pineal glands would cause them to age and

776
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 2>enter puberty much faster. Some of the new paper claims

777
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 2>or things like again i'll paaraphrase it.

778
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:04.599
<v Speaker 3>I can look it up if you need the exact quote,

779
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 3>but i'll pair phrase.

780
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like, give your seven year old some pineal glands

781
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:09.599
<v Speaker 2>and they'll be ready to help you out on the

782
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 2>farm like they were, you know, a fifteen year old

783
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.280
<v Speaker 2>in the course of months, instead of waiting years for

784
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 2>them to help you on the farm. A lot of

785
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 2>these were like fantastical claims that didn't necessarily get backed

786
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 2>up as far as I know.

787
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:26.159
<v Speaker 3>Maybe this is just more suppressed research, but here we.

788
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Have another instance of consuming part of another human being's

789
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:37.159
<v Speaker 2>body and having some tangible growth effect, youth effect. It's

790
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 2>a it's sort of in that same line. So you

791
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.960
<v Speaker 2>can see how easily someone being like, oh yeah, well

792
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 2>eat their penal gland, or if I eat their adrenal gland,

793
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:45.800
<v Speaker 2>or if I drink their blood, it's all it's all

794
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 2>the same, it all has the same effect. It all

795
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 2>gets conflated into one thing. So that was one of

796
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:54.760
<v Speaker 2>the hardest things in my research, is meticulously separating but

797
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 2>not ignoring and continuously acknowledging. But like pineal gland claims,

798
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 2>adrenaline and adrenochrome claims, blood magic claims, these are all

799
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>sort of three separate things. But once you know you're

800
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.239
<v Speaker 2>not allowed to talk about adrenochrome, it's so easy to

801
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:14.800
<v Speaker 2>just pile all those and now a drenochrome represents all

802
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of the things.

803
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Right as you were talking about that, I can help

804
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 1>but think of miser loop. I remember there was like

805
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.119
<v Speaker 1>a creepy guy when I lived in Pennsyal.

806
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Also also named a drenochrome. That was like the American

807
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.559
<v Speaker 2>release title was a drenochrome.

808
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a creepy guy that lived

809
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.320
<v Speaker 1>in the basement in my house in Pennsylvania, and he

810
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.360
<v Speaker 1>told me about watching that movie one in Town.

811
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:36.760
<v Speaker 3>And I was like what.

812
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.559
<v Speaker 1>And back then I wasn't really so much into like

813
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:42.840
<v Speaker 1>adrenochrome and what it was and all that kind of stuff.

814
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.599
<v Speaker 1>I focused on other things. But he remember, he creeped

815
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 1>me out because he used to watch all these different

816
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 1>horror movies and stuff and he would just talk about

817
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:50.800
<v Speaker 1>them all the time. But that was the one that

818
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:51.639
<v Speaker 1>stood out to me.

819
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, And that was like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. So

820
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 2>you're kind of lucky that you dodged all of this

821
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:57.920
<v Speaker 2>nonsense for such a long time.

822
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 3>It goes back so deep man.

823
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 2>That's I would almost say that Miserlou or that Adrenochrome

824
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.559
<v Speaker 2>movie is probably like one of the turning points. Not

825
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 2>that it was a catalyst, but it was an indicator

826
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.239
<v Speaker 2>of how like the sort of mass popularity that this

827
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 2>concept of adrenochrome being this satanic, psychedelic, supernatural substance started

828
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>to become very mainstream. And I found some of the

829
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 2>notes of the specific claims the Abramhoffer makes in his

830
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.199
<v Speaker 2>research paper. It goes to this youth sier maspect. So

831
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.679
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you the highlights that I found the most interesting.

832
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.760
<v Speaker 2>So here this is in Abrahmhoffer's words from his nineteen

833
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>ninety six Adrenochrome Hypothesis revisited. He says there is no

834
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 2>overall advantage in having schizophrenia. In being sick. The advantage

835
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.679
<v Speaker 2>arises from having the genes of schizophrenia, which do not

836
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>express themselves in the first order relatives of the patients.

837
00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.000
<v Speaker 2>And then he says parents, children, and siblings of schizophre

838
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.679
<v Speaker 2>rennix will have the advantages of the recovered patients, and

839
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:08.400
<v Speaker 2>then he cites what these advantages are. Physical advantages are

840
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.679
<v Speaker 2>a more youthful appearance, especially as you age, less gray hair,

841
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.960
<v Speaker 2>fewer attacks of autoimmune diseases, more ability to tolerate pain,

842
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 2>more resistance against bacterial and infections, and evidence of getting

843
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:28.199
<v Speaker 2>cancer less frequently. He then states intellectual pros not more intelligent,

844
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:33.280
<v Speaker 2>but more creative in thinking, and many become top scientists, artists, writers,

845
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.519
<v Speaker 2>and poets. And then he kind of summarizes all this

846
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 2>again and he says patients who are ill, meaning patients

847
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>that get schizophrenia and then regain these advantages when they recover.

848
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.599
<v Speaker 2>If every potential schizophrenic. We're giving adequate amounts of vitamin

849
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 2>B three niacin before they became ill, it would have

850
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:57.199
<v Speaker 2>less probability of becoming sick and would enjoy the advantages.

851
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.199
<v Speaker 2>The reason that this is such an important aspect is that,

852
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 2>aside from Hawfer being one of the only people along

853
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:10.840
<v Speaker 2>with Smithy's, Smithy's and Osmond, but this is the first

854
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.960
<v Speaker 2>time that he's acknowledging this concept of vitamin B three

855
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:18.360
<v Speaker 2>or nisin having some miraculous effect across the board. And

856
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 2>in fact, Abramhoffer is also known as the father of

857
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>ortho molecular medicine, which he's the one that basically fortifies cereals.

858
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Like when you look on the back of the cheerios

859
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's like it's got iron and it's got vitamin A, B, C,

860
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.320
<v Speaker 2>D N. You said, like, how do all those vitamins

861
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.199
<v Speaker 2>get in there? Like, they don't naturally grow in the

862
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:42.119
<v Speaker 2>cheerio plant, right, So those are added to the process afterwards.

863
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>And most of this well, it's based on his research

864
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.840
<v Speaker 2>specifically about vitamin B three nis in. So many cereals now,

865
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.960
<v Speaker 2>lots of basically poor people food. That was kind of

866
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 2>where his avenue was at is that he's looked around.

867
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 2>He saw everyone that was living in poverty, couldn't afford

868
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 2>to eat eggs and bacon and sort of fresh food.

869
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.280
<v Speaker 2>A lot of them were resorting to grain based cereals

870
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 2>because they were shelf stable that were cheaper, that would

871
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.199
<v Speaker 2>fill you up even if they didn't provide any nutrition,

872
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.280
<v Speaker 2>And that latter part of not providing any real nutrition

873
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.159
<v Speaker 2>was causing widespread issues across the board. And then he

874
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.440
<v Speaker 2>just realized, Hey, by fortifying these by giving people the

875
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 2>vitamins that they're otherwise lacking because they're living in abject poverty,

876
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:26.960
<v Speaker 2>this will solve a lot of these issues. So, like

877
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.639
<v Speaker 2>the adrenochrome research and the research he had into niacin

878
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 2>vitamin B three are almost hard to separate a certain point,

879
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:38.239
<v Speaker 2>no one really makes vitamin B three a taboo subject.

880
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Almost none of the other avenues of research got taboo

881
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:44.440
<v Speaker 2>except for his claims about adrenochrome.

882
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.159
<v Speaker 1>That is some wild shit. I don't even know what

883
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:51.280
<v Speaker 1>to ask you next.

884
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, you were mentioning too, like the miser lou and

885
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 2>the adrenochrome movie. So I mean, I've got a thread

886
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.960
<v Speaker 2>on X that I've been working on it. It represents like

887
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>four plus years of research. But I really do think

888
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 2>that I can trace some of the lore that gets

889
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.159
<v Speaker 2>surrounded by all this, Like why is Miserly about torturing people?

890
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 2>And like it's a horror movie essentially, it's like a

891
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.320
<v Speaker 2>psychedelic horror movie. So why is it that a gernochrome

892
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.000
<v Speaker 2>is linked to horror movies? And what is it about

893
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:22.360
<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome that adrenaline doesn't get the same treatments. Technically, if

894
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome comes from adrenaline, then anything that you could do

895
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>to have someone produce adrenaline should also be taboo.

896
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.800
<v Speaker 3>But it's not. Adrenaline has never been a taboo subject.

897
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 2>And I think that a lot of this is how

898
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.440
<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome was introduced to the public.

899
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.239
<v Speaker 3>So I'll give.

900
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:40.519
<v Speaker 2>The quickest we can stop if you want to go

901
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.199
<v Speaker 2>into any of these, but I'll give my quick sort

902
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.360
<v Speaker 2>of chronological introduction of adrenochrome as this weird satanic drug

903
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:51.360
<v Speaker 2>to the masses. Doors of perception is nineteen fifty four

904
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.840
<v Speaker 2>is when Altus Huxley writes about it based on what

905
00:48:53.960 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>he heard from Ozma Humphries. Then there's in nineteen fifty nine,

906
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:03.880
<v Speaker 2>there's this movie called The Tingler by Vincent Price, and

907
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:05.719
<v Speaker 2>the whole entire premise of the movie. This is the

908
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.519
<v Speaker 2>first time I believe that LSD was introduced to the

909
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:12.480
<v Speaker 2>public through a Hollywood movie. As the movie opens, he's

910
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 2>reading a book and the book says something about like

911
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:21.119
<v Speaker 2>inducing fear through injecting LSD twenty five And the premise

912
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.840
<v Speaker 2>of that movie is that if you can induce such

913
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.159
<v Speaker 2>an extreme amount of fear in a human body, that

914
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:31.840
<v Speaker 2>fear will manifest into an actual physical manifestation of just

915
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:36.280
<v Speaker 2>pure fear. It looks like a monstrosity scorpion slug that

916
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.280
<v Speaker 2>grows out of the person's spine and can leave their

917
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.440
<v Speaker 2>body and just cause havoc. And this is a tingler

918
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:45.119
<v Speaker 2>because people would feel like a tingling sensation in their spine.

919
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 2>And the idea was like, oh no, that's an actual demon,

920
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:51.679
<v Speaker 2>Like you've just summoned a demon into this this plane.

921
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.639
<v Speaker 3>This had nothing to do with adrenochrome. It had to

922
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:54.440
<v Speaker 3>do with LSD.

923
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.719
<v Speaker 2>But in nineteen fifty eight, the difference between LSD and

924
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.039
<v Speaker 2>mescaline and psilocybin andachrome might as well have just been like,

925
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:04.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, like a green or a blue lucky charm,

926
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.559
<v Speaker 2>marshmallow or something. Right, there were just sort of different

927
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.159
<v Speaker 2>forms of the same psychedelic experience. Not true, but that

928
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 2>was one of the premises from there. Same year, there's

929
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:18.199
<v Speaker 2>a book called Naked Lunch that gets published by William S.

930
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.559
<v Speaker 2>Burrows about a doctor named doctor ben Way I believe,

931
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 2>who was based on an actual multa researcher who did

932
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:30.679
<v Speaker 2>torture patients and gave them I believe, scopolamine, Bobo cap nine,

933
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:33.920
<v Speaker 2>like a whole bunch of different fear inducing drugs. So

934
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.119
<v Speaker 2>here's this theme, right, that psychedelcs are introduced and the

935
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.480
<v Speaker 2>first time that the public is made aware of them,

936
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.840
<v Speaker 2>they're all talking about relations to inducing these extreme amounts

937
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:49.000
<v Speaker 2>of fear beyond the human experience. Then we've got nineteen

938
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:53.280
<v Speaker 2>sixty two Clockwork Orange, and in Clockwork Orange a substance

939
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 2>called drenchrome, which the writer of that actually got his

940
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:02.400
<v Speaker 2>inspiration directly from out as Highy. He also writes about

941
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:06.400
<v Speaker 2>them taking this drenchrome and getting you know, ultraviolent. This

942
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.079
<v Speaker 2>is if anyone's seen clock or Coorn's basically about a

943
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.679
<v Speaker 2>bunch of criminals that just go and recab it and

944
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.440
<v Speaker 2>beat people up and like do insane things out in

945
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.639
<v Speaker 2>the world. So this is probably the first instance of

946
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:21.280
<v Speaker 2>a dreanochrome being mentioned directly in relation to people being

947
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.360
<v Speaker 2>violent and acting crazy. Then you've got a short story

948
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.599
<v Speaker 2>in sixty seven called Blood of a Wig by a

949
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.519
<v Speaker 2>guy named Terry Southern, who also helped write some of

950
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Stanley Kubrick's films, one of them Doctor Strangelove, which mentions fluoride,

951
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories and stuff. So now you've got this like

952
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:42.760
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorist angle and over the top aspect of like

953
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 2>creating fear and generating demons in the real world, and

954
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 2>then slowly then we.

955
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Get fear and loathing.

956
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Then we've got a book called The Winter Market, where

957
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.639
<v Speaker 2>again they're talking about stealing adrenochrome and using it for

958
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 2>all these psychedelic purposes, all on the black market. And

959
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.760
<v Speaker 2>then it just keeps increasing from there, and I think

960
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.000
<v Speaker 2>that it conflates very easily with any sort of satanic

961
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:09.119
<v Speaker 2>or blood ritual. Like you mentioned, the Death Becomes Her,

962
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Death Becomes Her doesn't actually mention a drenochrome at any point.

963
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:14.599
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mentioned any drugs. They just show this pink vial.

964
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.079
<v Speaker 2>But since that movie came out in nineteen ninety two.

965
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.400
<v Speaker 2>This is well, this is forty years after research on

966
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 2>a drenochrome has been put out. And the very first

967
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.000
<v Speaker 2>time that scientifically Hoffer identifies as a drenochrome as a

968
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.199
<v Speaker 2>psychedelic was through something called pink adrenaline, pink adrenaline being

969
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:39.199
<v Speaker 2>an expired EpiPen, epinephrine being another name for adrenaline. And

970
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 2>in World War Two, I believe they were finding and

971
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.039
<v Speaker 2>they were like, you'd be out in the field, right

972
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.679
<v Speaker 2>you don't have time to wait for a brand new,

973
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:49.559
<v Speaker 2>fresh batch of EpiPens to come in.

974
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:50.840
<v Speaker 3>If you need it, you need it now.

975
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.400
<v Speaker 2>So once they got to the end of the supplies,

976
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.079
<v Speaker 2>all the expired ones that looked a little bit discolored,

977
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 2>they were still using them because they needed them. And

978
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 2>soldiers started describing these weird hallucinations. They were having visual,

979
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.320
<v Speaker 2>auditory feeling weird, the same thing that I mentioned before

980
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 2>in those human trials on adrenochrome. They're mentioning these exact

981
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.280
<v Speaker 2>same experiences. And that's where Haffer and Smith these are like,

982
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.519
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, this sounds identical to the experience that

983
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:22.159
<v Speaker 2>we had when we tested adrenochrome directly. So they realized

984
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>that pink adrenaline. These expired EpiPens was literally just aqueous adrenochrome.

985
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.400
<v Speaker 2>What color is that substance? And death becomes her it

986
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.920
<v Speaker 2>is a bright pink substance. So, I mean, there's not

987
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:38.239
<v Speaker 2>a direct connection between those two, but if anyone on

988
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 2>that writing team was even somewhat familiar with adrenochrome, it

989
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 2>would have made sense to make that think. But it's again,

990
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.880
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to separate real adrenochrome research from like blood

991
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 2>magic and vampire novels.

992
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is. And one of the things that

993
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 1>stood out to me most recently was, was it like

994
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>two or three years ago Bill Maher got really upset

995
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.440
<v Speaker 1>with the whole Jim Cavizl thing when he was talking

996
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:07.119
<v Speaker 1>about the child trafficking and stuff like that, and I

997
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 1>think he actually mentioned Adrina chrome. But the thing with

998
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Bill Martin that pisses me off is deck he tells

999
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:14.159
<v Speaker 1>on himself all the time, Like he tries to tell

1000
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 1>these jokes and stuff, but we all know that he's

1001
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:18.079
<v Speaker 1>telling the truth about a lot of stuff, and he's

1002
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:21.599
<v Speaker 1>basically a hitman for the media. He tries to cover

1003
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 1>up stuff, you know.

1004
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:24.800
<v Speaker 2>So I've got all the contacts on this because this

1005
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.000
<v Speaker 2>was one of the more fascinating intersections of adrenochrome being

1006
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.119
<v Speaker 2>mentioned in like popular media outside of movies. This is

1007
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:34.800
<v Speaker 2>when it starts being discussed and sort of like a

1008
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:40.000
<v Speaker 2>like a news cycle. So Jim Cavazil, he's at Clay

1009
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Clark Health and Freedom Conference that took place in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

1010
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.639
<v Speaker 2>This was on a Friday, April sixth, twenty twenty two.

1011
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:48.159
<v Speaker 2>So if anyone wants to go and find this, if

1012
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:51.400
<v Speaker 2>you search for those terms all together, you'll find this

1013
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.760
<v Speaker 2>exact video. And he's basically live streaming to an audience

1014
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:59.840
<v Speaker 2>of about five thousand people live and then there's also

1015
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 2>like a half million more people watching it online. Here's

1016
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.760
<v Speaker 2>exactly what he says is quote, they're pulling kids out

1017
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 2>of the darkest recesses of hell. Says some other things,

1018
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:13.000
<v Speaker 2>and then he makes the phrase the adrenochroming of children.

1019
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.079
<v Speaker 2>I do like how he turned a noun into a verb.

1020
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the word adrenochroming had ever existed before

1021
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.480
<v Speaker 2>he said that out loud. I'm still not sure it's

1022
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.719
<v Speaker 2>exactly a word. But now we've got this premise of

1023
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.400
<v Speaker 2>harvesting adrenochrome from children, and then he goes on to

1024
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:33.239
<v Speaker 2>loosely explain it, and he says, essentially, you have adrenaline

1025
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:37.159
<v Speaker 2>in your body. When you're scared, you produce adrenalinine, and

1026
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:39.599
<v Speaker 2>if a child knows he's going to die, his body

1027
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 2>will secrete adrenaline. Technically, those are all true statements, but

1028
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 2>there's never really a connection between And here's where the

1029
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:50.119
<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome comes into play, and here's why torture is necessary.

1030
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 2>So you also produce adrenaline from things other than being

1031
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:56.920
<v Speaker 2>tortured or scared. But this was the claim that he made,

1032
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.880
<v Speaker 2>so he says that. And then on April twenty third,

1033
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Bill Maher he comes out this episode thirteen, season nineteen,

1034
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.239
<v Speaker 2>and he says new rule now that conservative Jim Cavazio

1035
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:13.119
<v Speaker 2>and Linn Wood are sounding the alarm about adrenochrome, which

1036
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.599
<v Speaker 2>is the belief that liberals literally drink the blood of

1037
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:19.440
<v Speaker 2>terrified children for psychoactive effect. I've got one thing to say,

1038
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:21.719
<v Speaker 2>don't knock get till you've tried it. It's really good.

1039
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:23.840
<v Speaker 2>He kind of like jokes about it and talks about

1040
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.400
<v Speaker 2>how it kicks in and like the hangover of it.

1041
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:28.800
<v Speaker 2>But they're making jokes about it, and the way that

1042
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Speaker 2>he says, Oh, it's this, you know, it's this psychoactive

1043
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.920
<v Speaker 2>drug that comes from terrified children. If you remove all

1044
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:38.559
<v Speaker 2>the emotional language, Yeah, it is a psychoactive drug that

1045
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:41.920
<v Speaker 2>is in blood. And it's a technicality, I guess it's

1046
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:47.280
<v Speaker 2>an unnecessarily extra qualification of terrified children that are tortured

1047
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:49.360
<v Speaker 2>that part. If you just remove that and just say

1048
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 2>adrenalized blood has a psychoactive substance in it. Yes, that

1049
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:57.119
<v Speaker 2>is non conspiratorial. That it might be taboo, but it

1050
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:00.320
<v Speaker 2>is not even something that can really be debated. But

1051
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:03.880
<v Speaker 2>usually when these the bunkings are people making it silly,

1052
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.280
<v Speaker 2>they have to include the fact that there's babies or

1053
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.360
<v Speaker 2>there's children being terrorized as part of it.

1054
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not to mention that wasn't Bill Maher's production company

1055
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 1>called Kid Love Productions or something like that. He probably yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

1056
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:19.519
<v Speaker 1>he's sick.

1057
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Shit. That's what this is.

1058
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.559
<v Speaker 2>And I mean as a thought experiment, this is not

1059
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:28.280
<v Speaker 2>me making any claims. I'm not even making subjective claims,

1060
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:32.679
<v Speaker 2>but just in a socratic like thought experiment way. If

1061
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.679
<v Speaker 2>you are already at the height of Hollywood, you've got

1062
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:38.079
<v Speaker 2>more money and resources and time that you know what

1063
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:42.679
<v Speaker 2>to do with. You've got connections to Hollywood, science, politics,

1064
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 2>just everything, like your rolodex is jam full and your

1065
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:49.000
<v Speaker 2>bored one day, Like I assume Bill Maher probably as

1066
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 2>often as you know. I guess he's partnerless and childless,

1067
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.039
<v Speaker 2>so he's just wondering what do I do today? Hey,

1068
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I heard about this thing called a drenochrome. I wonder

1069
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.960
<v Speaker 2>if anyone I know can procure them? What are the

1070
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 2>chances that you think that a they could procure it?

1071
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Seems fairly likely that they could find it. But then

1072
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:09.400
<v Speaker 2>even add that qualifier of like, oh but it has

1073
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:13.280
<v Speaker 2>to come from a screaming baby. Like Even as like

1074
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:18.199
<v Speaker 2>inefficient and impractical as that might seem, if there's somebody

1075
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:19.800
<v Speaker 2>out there that's like, and you'll pay me how much

1076
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:23.400
<v Speaker 2>for this? It does seem well within reason that someone

1077
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:27.239
<v Speaker 2>could have procured this and tried it under the most.

1078
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Crazy conspiracy theory terms.

1079
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I would not pout it past anyone to have actually

1080
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 2>at least tried this at some point, just to see

1081
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 2>if there was anything to it.

1082
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's definitely what I think is going on, for sure.

1083
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:40.719
<v Speaker 1>But the more you think about something like this, the

1084
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>more incriminating, it gets and the more you start to

1085
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:47.079
<v Speaker 1>realize that, yeah, this is actually happening, and there's a

1086
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:48.679
<v Speaker 1>lot of people out there that you don't even know

1087
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:51.119
<v Speaker 1>if they're jacked up on it or not when you

1088
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:54.079
<v Speaker 1>see him, like artists and stuff. I've always kind of

1089
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:59.400
<v Speaker 1>tried to not really point any fingers at anything that

1090
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.639
<v Speaker 1>wasn't obvious when it comes to this. But if you

1091
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:04.840
<v Speaker 1>even throw it back to like when they mentioned it

1092
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.719
<v Speaker 1>on Doctor Phil, when that crazy lady is on Doctor

1093
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Phil talking about they tortured her child or something. I mean,

1094
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:15.159
<v Speaker 1>it's not that real people don't experience it, you know,

1095
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:19.119
<v Speaker 1>that's the issue with it, But on platforms like Doctor Phil,

1096
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.199
<v Speaker 1>they kind of gaslight you a lot too. I've noticed that.

1097
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.719
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if this is ever going to

1098
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:27.119
<v Speaker 1>really you know, somebody's ever really going to come out

1099
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 1>in the public and say, hey, Adrena Chrome is really

1100
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:30.840
<v Speaker 1>had some last night, you know.

1101
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:34.280
<v Speaker 2>And the episode that you're talking about, the Doctor Phil episode,

1102
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.760
<v Speaker 2>it was that was from twenty sixteen, and at the

1103
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 2>very end of this episode where the lady specifically, I

1104
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.639
<v Speaker 2>mean this is a quote from the show that ladies

1105
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:47.079
<v Speaker 2>think was Sherry, and she says quote. She's talking about

1106
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:50.559
<v Speaker 2>her daughter that either ran away or was kidnapped. She

1107
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:54.280
<v Speaker 2>claims that people contacted her on social media, taunting her,

1108
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:57.320
<v Speaker 2>saying like, ha ha, we killed your daughter, we kidnapped her,

1109
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.400
<v Speaker 2>we did all these things to her. This all the

1110
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.320
<v Speaker 2>things that she claims. But here's the quote that she

1111
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.639
<v Speaker 2>says on air on this Doctor philipisode. She says, I

1112
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:10.519
<v Speaker 2>believe Jesse was tortured for the drug adrenochrome. Adrenochrome is

1113
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:14.239
<v Speaker 2>a chemical that our body produces when we're extremely fearful

1114
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.239
<v Speaker 2>or have a lot of distress. It gives you strength,

1115
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:20.119
<v Speaker 2>it gives you vitality, and when you drink it, it

1116
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.639
<v Speaker 2>gives you euphoria and power. The people that kill Jesse

1117
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:26.320
<v Speaker 2>are harvesting it. So these are the claim and if

1118
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:29.800
<v Speaker 2>we break these things down, which is fairly important. So

1119
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:32.880
<v Speaker 2>she says that it's a chemical our body produces when

1120
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.880
<v Speaker 2>we're fearful or have distress. Technically true, although the body

1121
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:41.800
<v Speaker 2>does not produce adrenochrome in response, it's producing adrenaline. Your

1122
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:45.440
<v Speaker 2>body uses that adrenaline and says, WHOA, we don't need

1123
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:45.920
<v Speaker 2>this much.

1124
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Let's not explode the heart.

1125
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Let's go ahead and process some of this adrenaline in

1126
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.119
<v Speaker 2>a way that the body doesn't have to react to it,

1127
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:55.559
<v Speaker 2>so then it starts creating a drenochrome. Out of that,

1128
01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:00.119
<v Speaker 2>she also says it gives you strength and vitality. These

1129
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:02.800
<v Speaker 2>are things that I don't believe are backed up anywhere.

1130
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Even if you were to stretch doctor Abramhoffer's schizophrenia and

1131
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:11.679
<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome hypothesis, it doesn't happen like within a minute of

1132
01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:14.360
<v Speaker 2>you ingesting it. It doesn't even happen within your lifetime

1133
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:17.639
<v Speaker 2>of ingesting it. It would only happen through your progeny and

1134
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 2>through your other like bloodline. Then they potentially would reap

1135
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:25.320
<v Speaker 2>some of these benefits, but only if you actually have

1136
01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:29.360
<v Speaker 2>like a NonStop extra adrenochrome in your system, not just

1137
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:32.079
<v Speaker 2>a wild night out and you killed one baby. You

1138
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 2>don't get to live longer because of that one experience,

1139
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Like it would have to be an ongoing thing, which

1140
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe they do. And then the other thing she says

1141
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:43.079
<v Speaker 2>is when you drink it, it gives you euphoria and power. Well,

1142
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.599
<v Speaker 2>I do want to push back on a very important

1143
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:50.360
<v Speaker 2>verb here of drink. From all the research I've found,

1144
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:54.280
<v Speaker 2>it seems that a drenochrome is so unstable that sending

1145
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:58.239
<v Speaker 2>it through your digestive system would pretty much have no effect.

1146
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:01.159
<v Speaker 2>It would completely nullify it before it even got into

1147
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:04.239
<v Speaker 2>your bloodstream at that point. The way that Abram Hoffer

1148
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:08.440
<v Speaker 2>documented testing it was sublingually. They would get an aqueous

1149
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:11.519
<v Speaker 2>solution of a drenochrome and they would spray it into

1150
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:14.559
<v Speaker 2>their mouth and let it absorb under their tongue. There

1151
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:18.400
<v Speaker 2>was also some intravenous where they injected it, but I

1152
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 2>don't think that anything beyond injection or taking it sublingually

1153
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:26.559
<v Speaker 2>has had any real strong documented effect. In fact, the

1154
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:29.400
<v Speaker 2>exact opposite. A lot of the cases where people have

1155
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:35.119
<v Speaker 2>tried to smoke, snort, eat, even take a crystalline version

1156
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:37.719
<v Speaker 2>of it, all of those seem to have zero effects.

1157
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:41.159
<v Speaker 2>It almost renders it inert because of how unstable a

1158
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:43.719
<v Speaker 2>dreaochrome is. So it has to be fresh and it

1159
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:47.000
<v Speaker 2>has to be aqueous. So maybe you can conflate that

1160
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:48.719
<v Speaker 2>to like you got to drink it straight out of

1161
01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:51.199
<v Speaker 2>a dead baby. I mean, technically, yeah, that's fresh and

1162
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.400
<v Speaker 2>that's aqueous, but it's also not isolated, like you're talking

1163
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the tiny tiny bits you know, per parts per million.

1164
01:02:58.400 --> 01:02:59.599
<v Speaker 2>If you're just going to drink it straight out of

1165
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:02.039
<v Speaker 2>someone's bloodstream. And again, you don't drink it, you would

1166
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:05.760
<v Speaker 2>sublingually put it in your mouth. So all of that aside,

1167
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:09.119
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of where the lady on Doctor Phil says,

1168
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 2>and then Doctor Phil makes sure at the end of

1169
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:15.199
<v Speaker 2>the episodes as the credits for scrolling. The last thing

1170
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:18.599
<v Speaker 2>he says before the episode ends. He says, they consulted

1171
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the police captain of Wanachi, Washington, which is where this

1172
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:25.960
<v Speaker 2>lady was at, and he says, the police captain told us,

1173
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:29.000
<v Speaker 2>we have never had a case involving the drug adrenochrome.

1174
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:32.599
<v Speaker 2>We've never even heard of it until Doctor Phil producers

1175
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:35.960
<v Speaker 2>brought it to our attention. And I guess the weasel

1176
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:39.760
<v Speaker 2>implication here is that, oh, well, if the police captain

1177
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.480
<v Speaker 2>in a small town in Washington's never heard of this

1178
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.480
<v Speaker 2>drug that's only been studied from the thirties to the

1179
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:49.079
<v Speaker 2>fifties until it came under the domain of mk Ultra,

1180
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess that means that it's not real and this

1181
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.239
<v Speaker 2>is all made up now and the same sentence, I

1182
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:56.719
<v Speaker 2>will say that some of the things that Sherry is

1183
01:03:56.719 --> 01:04:00.840
<v Speaker 2>saying do seem completely made up. There's really no basis

1184
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.639
<v Speaker 2>for any of the claims of strength, vitality, power, drinking.

1185
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:09.039
<v Speaker 3>But euphoria. Yeah, absolutely, that's.

1186
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Kind of what the original discovery of adrenochrome came from.

1187
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:17.880
<v Speaker 2>It came from this weird hallucinogenic euphoric property that no

1188
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.239
<v Speaker 2>one could explain that was coming out of these EpiPens.

1189
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Why is epinephrine causing people reliably and consistently to hallucinate.

1190
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:27.039
<v Speaker 3>That's where it all kind of came from.

1191
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:29.360
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think there was ever a study, and

1192
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:31.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was suppressed by himk Ultra, but no one

1193
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:34.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, I took this expired EpiPen and I

1194
01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:37.639
<v Speaker 2>lost twenty years. I can run faster, you know, I

1195
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.079
<v Speaker 2>can breathe underwater, I can punch through walls, like none

1196
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:44.880
<v Speaker 2>of that ever happened. A lot of the conspiracy tends

1197
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 2>to lean towards like supernatural properties, which is typically where

1198
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:51.760
<v Speaker 2>it loses me a little bit. Like I'm not going

1199
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:56.039
<v Speaker 2>to discount supernatural as a concept in general, but when

1200
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:59.280
<v Speaker 2>it comes to trying to prove someone with objective repeatable

1201
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:04.400
<v Speaker 2>conc stint box, supernatural tends to not fit into that

1202
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:05.480
<v Speaker 2>sort of diagram.

1203
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, I think we've pretty much covered everything that

1204
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.000
<v Speaker 1>we can on this topic. I has got one more

1205
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:14.920
<v Speaker 1>question for you. What the hell does freemasonry have to

1206
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:18.079
<v Speaker 1>do with any of this stuff? And why is it

1207
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.840
<v Speaker 1>that everywhere you look you see freemasonry seems to have

1208
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:23.880
<v Speaker 1>its hands in these kinds of things. Because I know

1209
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:26.599
<v Speaker 1>people that they're Masons and they have no clue what's

1210
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:29.559
<v Speaker 1>going on. And then I know other like maybe a

1211
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:31.440
<v Speaker 1>handful of others that I will tell you, Yeah, I've

1212
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.320
<v Speaker 1>seen some dark stuff. So it just appears to me.

1213
01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:36.360
<v Speaker 1>And I remember saying this to you on your podcast

1214
01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:39.079
<v Speaker 1>that freemasonry is like being in a hallway with so

1215
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:43.039
<v Speaker 1>many doors, and like, depending on what your values in

1216
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:46.239
<v Speaker 1>your character is capable of doing, they push you through

1217
01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.119
<v Speaker 1>one of those doors, you know, and nobody else seems

1218
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to know what's going on. So that lends to the

1219
01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:53.960
<v Speaker 1>mystery of it and the confusion.

1220
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1221
01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, my favorite analogy tends to be and it's evolving

1222
01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.519
<v Speaker 2>over time, but currently my favorite analogy is cub Scouts.

1223
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Why does someone join the cub Scouts. Well, some of

1224
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:05.440
<v Speaker 2>them want to learn how to tie notts and to

1225
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:08.760
<v Speaker 2>be survivalists. Some of them want to make friends, some

1226
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:11.960
<v Speaker 2>of them just need a babysitter because their parents aren't alone.

1227
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:16.039
<v Speaker 2>So you've got like the incentive for networking, the incentive

1228
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:20.280
<v Speaker 2>for building relationships with other people, the incentive for learning

1229
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:24.079
<v Speaker 2>new abilities and skills that you wouldn't otherwise. And there's

1230
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:29.920
<v Speaker 2>also some like fraternal secret society esque aspects of cub

1231
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Scouts too, like they've got initiation rituals and they wear

1232
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:37.280
<v Speaker 2>badges and they perform rituals even if it's not in

1233
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:40.079
<v Speaker 2>like folks and dark rooms like these are all parts

1234
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:41.840
<v Speaker 2>of it. And I guess boy Scouts too have very

1235
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:44.360
<v Speaker 2>strong ties the Freemasonry, which I guess kind of checks

1236
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:47.159
<v Speaker 2>out and makes sense. But there's all sorts of different

1237
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.480
<v Speaker 2>reasons why you might join cub Scout. You could join

1238
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:51.519
<v Speaker 2>cub Scouts and not care about tying and not ever.

1239
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:53.639
<v Speaker 2>You might do it once to get the patch and

1240
01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:56.239
<v Speaker 2>never again because it doesn't interest you. You might not ever,

1241
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, create a fire with your hands in the

1242
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<v Speaker 2>middle of a forest just because they taught you how

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<v Speaker 2>to do that in cub Scouts. But there's also people

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<v Speaker 2>people that go explicitly to learn those things, and I

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01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:09.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of relate that same thing the freemasonry, where there's

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<v Speaker 2>a version of a Freemason that I call the meat

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01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:14.679
<v Speaker 2>loaf Mason, and like they just want to show up

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<v Speaker 2>and hang out with their buds and eat some meat

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01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:19.559
<v Speaker 2>loaf of mashed potatoes after it's all over, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a social setting. There's some people, I guess, maybe like myself,

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<v Speaker 2>that the attraction to freemasonry is that you get access

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<v Speaker 2>to libraries and books that are otherwise not available to

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<v Speaker 2>the public unless you've got a lot of money and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time to hunt them down. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like having a extra special library card. You got people

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<v Speaker 2>that want to join because they hear the police commissioner

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01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:44.079
<v Speaker 2>or the county comptroller is a member of this lodge,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I could just schmooze up to them, then

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I can somehow turn that into an advantage for me.

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<v Speaker 2>All the different intentions, and I also strongly believe that

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<v Speaker 2>it's impossible to prove intent. Even if someone admits or

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01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.280
<v Speaker 2>says they're doing something for a reason, you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that that's the real reason they're doing it. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>really ever prove somebody's intent on anything, which is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the basis of our legal system. That's like the

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01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:11.719
<v Speaker 2>whole like is it premeditated or did you do it

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01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:14.559
<v Speaker 2>on an accident? Like I don't know. The guy's still dead,

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01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:16.880
<v Speaker 2>like he still shot him. Like does it matter if

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01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I planned it a week ahead or if I did

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<v Speaker 2>it in the spur? It does matter, right, because intent

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01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:26.479
<v Speaker 2>has all this extra sort of like importance placed upon it.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me answer your question of why does freemasonry

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<v Speaker 2>even come into this in nineteen thirty four, the Scottish

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01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Right Freemasonry, specifically the Northern jurisdiction, because America is split

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01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:43.359
<v Speaker 2>between Northern and Southern versions of Scottish Right Freemasonry. Long story,

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<v Speaker 2>but that the guy that is sitting on the Supreme Council,

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<v Speaker 2>they have all this money and they're figuring out, what

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01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:53.840
<v Speaker 2>do we do with this money? What kind of initiative

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01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:56.960
<v Speaker 2>do we take to sort of put our name on

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01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the map here and make us look altruistic, And they

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<v Speaker 2>just decide that concept of dementia prey coos. If we

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01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:06.960
<v Speaker 2>can solve that, or if we can at least do

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01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:10.119
<v Speaker 2>more research into why twenty year olds are skitzing out

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<v Speaker 2>and now that family line dies because now they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have a partner that can't take care of kids.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we fix this especially since affecting even rich people. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, sure, the cheerio thing, maybe if you're poor

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01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:26.600
<v Speaker 2>you can't afford all the nutrients, but like enough money

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01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:28.920
<v Speaker 2>can get you out of that predicament. Here's something that

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01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:30.920
<v Speaker 2>money can't buy you out of. You can't buy your

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<v Speaker 2>way out of your kid developing early onset dementia. So

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<v Speaker 2>they decide to put together a fund to investigate specifically

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01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:44.239
<v Speaker 2>dementia precos in order to unlock the mysteries of the

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<v Speaker 2>human brain, which makes sense kind of on brand for

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<v Speaker 2>Freemason to be, like, I want to know how the

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01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:52.359
<v Speaker 2>mind works. So that's kind of their realm, right. So

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty four they decide that they're going to research

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<v Speaker 2>dementia precox, and they do four different steps. First, they

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<v Speaker 2>decide to set up this Dementia Precox Committee under the

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<v Speaker 2>auspice of the National Committee for Mental Hygiene. Second, they

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<v Speaker 2>decide that this committee is going to be comprised of

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<v Speaker 2>outstanding men psychiatrists and allies and representatives from the Supreme Council,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like they're going to you know, staff it

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01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:21.840
<v Speaker 2>with their own ranks. Then they decide that they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to find a psychiatrist that'll be basically the field director

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01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:28.640
<v Speaker 2>for the entire country that will sort of guide all

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<v Speaker 2>of this research. And then finally they will annually get

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<v Speaker 2>together and vote on grants to see, okay, where does

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<v Speaker 2>the money this year go in terms of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Dementia precox research.

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<v Speaker 2>Through this funding, they end up giving money to doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Abram Hoffer and Smithy's who then start looking into this

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<v Speaker 2>adrenochrome subject. So that's that's the direct connection that there

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<v Speaker 2>would be no adrenochrome research at least not publicly, and

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't have been funded. If it weren't for the

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<v Speaker 2>Scottish Roite thirty third degree Supreme Council Northern Gertion, it

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01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:03.560
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't exist at all. So this is a very direct

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<v Speaker 2>provable easy to show. In fact, if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>any adrenochrome papers from the nineteen thirties to the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>on the very bottom of the front page of every

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<v Speaker 2>one of these reports it says special thanks to the

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<v Speaker 2>Scottish Rite Supreme Council thirty three NJ because that's where

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<v Speaker 2>the money was coming from. So there's the direct connection.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really not even a subject of conspiracy or sort

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01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:34.239
<v Speaker 2>of like subjective assumptions like this is all well documented proven.

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<v Speaker 2>No one debates this or even sort of claims that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the case unless you're just a random social

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01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:44.279
<v Speaker 2>media YouTuber or facebooker that like goes through like what's

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<v Speaker 2>this a dreader chroman freemasonry I call bs, and then

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01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:51.000
<v Speaker 2>they move on with their their day without actually looking

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01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:52.600
<v Speaker 2>into the factual basis on all this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fair enough, So tell everybody where they can find you, Paranoid.

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<v Speaker 3>American dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>You might not know it from our talk, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just published comic books. I worked at Disney for ten years,

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01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:05.039
<v Speaker 2>and I decided, Hey, if I can do all this

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01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:07.159
<v Speaker 2>for Mickey and Goofy, why can't I make an MK

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01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:11.039
<v Speaker 2>ultra comic book or cartoon using all the same things

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01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:11.760
<v Speaker 2>that I know here.

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<v Speaker 3>So I did that. I started it in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can find me there at Paranoidamerican dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>also on pretty much any social media network at Paranoid

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01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:24.039
<v Speaker 2>American and on x which is the only other place

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01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:26.600
<v Speaker 2>other than Rumble that I can post any of this

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01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Adrinachrume stuff without getting taken down.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just Paranoid America. No end at the end because

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01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:34.520
<v Speaker 2>it didn't fit well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for being on a Boundless Authenticity podcast. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it all right,