Speaker 1: Boundless Authenticity Podcast. Thanks for tuning in to the Boundless
Speaker 1: Authenticity Podcast. My guest today is Thomas better known as
Speaker 1: the Paranoid American. I have to laugh a little bit
Speaker 1: because I was recently on his podcast Paranoid American, and
Speaker 1: afterwards I got an email from someone saying they heard
Speaker 1: me on the Annoyed American podcast. I just sent back
Speaker 1: an email saying that's the wrong ooid. It's paranoid, not annoyed.
Speaker 2: I like it. I'm going to have to get that
Speaker 2: domain too now though. Annoyed American. Yeah, just as the
Speaker 2: same ring to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we found a hole in your whole system.
Speaker 1: And I could guess that sometimes you get a little
Speaker 1: annoyed too. I know I do, to say the least.
Speaker 1: But anyways, if you want to find him, go to
Speaker 1: Paranoid American dot com. He's on Instagram under the same handle,
Speaker 1: and you can learn more about conspiracy theme comic books,
Speaker 1: and get some cool t shirts and playing cards and
Speaker 1: other trinkets, as well as tune into the podcast. So
Speaker 1: what Thomas has actually done is created an incredible and
Speaker 1: very factual documentary called Adrenochrome, Freemasonry and mk Ultra It's
Speaker 1: only twenty one minutes and fifteen seconds long, probably less
Speaker 1: time than it takes for you to get out of
Speaker 1: bed or make a cup of coffee or whatever it
Speaker 1: is you do, so there's no excuse not to watch it.
Speaker 1: You can find it on Rumble, and it has been
Speaker 1: banned from pretty much every other major platform except for X,
Speaker 1: So you can find that on x dot com, slash
Speaker 1: Paranoid America, and I have the links in the show notes.
Speaker 1: But the major question for today's episode is what does
Speaker 1: adrenochrome have to do with freemasonry and mk ultra. But
Speaker 1: we're also going to get into the origins and what
Speaker 1: it actually is and provide you with as many facts
Speaker 1: as possible. So what's going on, sir?
Speaker 3: It's going great man.
Speaker 2: Actually, coincidentally, this morning I had someone blow up on
Speaker 2: my Twitter threads, originally disputing but then eventually offering to
Speaker 2: procure adrenochrome from a research lab and deliver it to
Speaker 2: me in person. I have taken them up on this,
Speaker 2: but I haven't gotten a response yet, but it seems
Speaker 2: that my research into this topic has only started.
Speaker 1: That is great. I mean, I'm laughing my ass off.
Speaker 1: People will say just about anything on the internet, I think,
Speaker 1: and again that lends to the unhealthy site of the
Speaker 1: discussion about these things. But my first question is what
Speaker 1: is adrenochrome.
Speaker 2: Gernochrome is a naturally occurring chemical that's in our blood
Speaker 2: right now. I don't want to I don't want to
Speaker 2: alarm anybody, but if you're listening and you can hear
Speaker 2: my voice, you literally have adrenochrome in your bloodstream at
Speaker 2: this exact moment, and there's nothing you can do about it,
Speaker 2: because adrenochrome is just a natural byproduct of your body
Speaker 2: processing adrenaline. If your body doesn't process adrenaline, it causes
Speaker 2: problems for your heart, so it has to break down
Speaker 2: and oxidize in some way, adrenochrome being one of the
Speaker 2: many different forms that a rhinolan eventually degrades into. So
Speaker 2: that's the short, quick answer of adrenochrome, and I guess
Speaker 2: the more controversial aspect is that it is likely, or
Speaker 2: at least has been shown to be in studies dating
Speaker 2: back seventy plus years, that is a psychoactive chemical that
Speaker 2: can actively cause hallucinations, distortion, and perception, all the things
Speaker 2: that you would expect from LSD mescaline psilocybe, all of
Speaker 2: these different chemicals. It's a little bit more mild when
Speaker 2: you compare it to all of those, but it absolutely
Speaker 2: has been documented to have all of these effects. That's
Speaker 2: kind of the entry point into adrenochrome. And then if
Speaker 2: you get way down the rabbit hole, depending on which
Speaker 2: movies and TV and conspiracy theories you've read, they might
Speaker 2: just be popping like a capri sun straw into a
Speaker 2: baby's head and torturing it and sucking the adrenochrome straight
Speaker 2: out of the pineal gland. None of that part is true,
Speaker 2: by the way, or at least the pineal gland aspect.
Speaker 2: But that's kind of an amalgamation of what is a
Speaker 2: drenochrome from three different perspectives.
Speaker 1: Now that we know that this thing is a real thing,
Speaker 1: what are the exact biological effects that it has on
Speaker 1: the body.
Speaker 2: This is where it comes into a slight dispute. So
Speaker 2: almost all of the research that specifically talks about the
Speaker 2: psychoactive effects of adrenochrome comes from two to three scientists,
Speaker 2: Abram Hoffer, Humphrey Osmond, and a guy named John Smithy's
Speaker 2: all three of them tended to collaborate with each other
Speaker 2: in various aspects, and ironically, one of the things that
Speaker 2: they shared in common is the Scottish Rite Northern jurisdiction.
Speaker 2: Thirty third degree Supreme Council was the main financier of
Speaker 2: all of this adrenochrome research, dating to at least the
Speaker 2: nineteen thirties through the mid nineteen seventies, so the specifically
Speaker 2: in nineteen six the Abramhoffer and Osmond published an entire
Speaker 2: study where they tested a bunch of different people twenty
Speaker 2: different people, I think actually thirty four separate people all
Speaker 2: were given a drenochrome and were asked what the subjective
Speaker 2: effects were. Out of those thirty four people, this is
Speaker 2: the most interesting part. Twenty of them got active adrenochrome.
Speaker 2: Fourteen of them got a placebo all right. Out of
Speaker 2: the placebo group, only one person reported any alteration in
Speaker 2: their perception of thought, mood, personality, what have you. Out
Speaker 2: of that placebo group, half of them, seven of the
Speaker 2: fourteen reported getting anxiety from a drenochrome. Again, and this
Speaker 2: was the placebo group. So it does make sense that
Speaker 2: someone gives you a drug and you're just sitting there
Speaker 2: waiting for it to take effect. Maybe you get anxious
Speaker 2: over that, which contrasts heavily with the twenty people that
Speaker 2: took active adrenochrome. One of those people out of the
Speaker 2: twenty reported anxiety, and over half overwhelmingly described changes to perception,
Speaker 2: changes to their thought, changes in their mood, changes in
Speaker 2: their personality, and a carryover effect the next day, and
Speaker 2: that they could still feel the effects of the adrenochrome
Speaker 2: a full day after.
Speaker 3: This was a very small sample size.
Speaker 2: I mean, thirty four is almost nothing when it comes
Speaker 2: to this type of research. And this is also highlights
Speaker 2: one of the weird and unique aspects of adrenochrome research,
Speaker 2: and that outside of Abramhoffer, smith E's and Osmond, almost
Speaker 2: nobody has looked into the psychedelic or psychoactive effects of
Speaker 2: this drug. And in fact, Hawfer even sites in his
Speaker 2: own papers from the fifties and sixties that the researchers
Speaker 2: that tended to try and discredit his findings and said
Speaker 2: that these were, you know, false findings. They did not
Speaker 2: do a drenochrome research. They just read the paper and
Speaker 2: then responded to it without saying and here's my research
Speaker 2: providing evidence to the counter. None of that has actually
Speaker 2: ever happened. As far as I'm aware, So this is
Speaker 2: kind of like the original concept, and that's just the
Speaker 2: human trials. And they did it on themselves, their friends,
Speaker 2: their wives, like part of that sample group I just mentioned,
Speaker 2: we're the wives of these researchers. So they kind of
Speaker 2: just brought it home from the lab, got their friends together,
Speaker 2: and said, hey, who wants to try this crazy stuff?
Speaker 2: So that's about as far as the human psychedelic research goes,
Speaker 2: But there are plenty of other documented research. They tested
Speaker 2: it on spiders, pigeons, mice, rabbits, cats, dogs, monkeys, everything
Speaker 2: you can think of. One of the best examples I
Speaker 2: got of this, and this might be a little bit dated,
Speaker 2: but I remember growing up seeing all sorts of educational
Speaker 2: films and reading books in the school library about LSD
Speaker 2: and mescaline psilocybin, and one of the most famous sequences
Speaker 2: were these pictures of spiders where they would give an
Speaker 2: orb weaver spider different psychedelics and then analyze how that
Speaker 2: affected the way that they would create the pattern in
Speaker 2: their web. Because or weaver spiders have a very specific
Speaker 2: pattern that they repeat over and over. It's incredibly consistent.
Speaker 2: So once they started introducing LSD and all kinds of things, cocaine.
Speaker 2: I think they gave him mescaline. You could see a
Speaker 2: direct yes, you could see an immediate And actually the
Speaker 2: guy that did this was named Peter and Witt. This
Speaker 2: was in the nineteen forties. He was a German pharmacologist
Speaker 2: and he puts together all of these in nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 2: two hundred different pictures of all these spiders. Among those,
Speaker 2: typically the LSD ones get shown around a lot. It's like, wow,
Speaker 2: look this tripper, this spider got the trip.
Speaker 3: Look at this web.
Speaker 2: But it was also included adrenochrome, and the adrenochrome experiment
Speaker 2: with the or weaver spider also showed the same sort
Speaker 2: of abnormality in when they went to go and create
Speaker 2: their web. So I think that was one of the
Speaker 2: first times when it was like, oh, there might be
Speaker 2: an objective relation here. This is also exactly where the
Speaker 2: public even hears about adrenochrome. We hear about adrenochrome through
Speaker 2: outus Huxley's Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell. It's
Speaker 2: actually mentioned two times by page three in Doors of Perception,
Speaker 2: and the reason that he even wrote about it is
Speaker 2: because outus Huxley was given his first dose of mescaline
Speaker 2: from Humphrey Osmond, the same guy that was collaborating with
Speaker 2: Abrahm Hoffernol. So there's a direct connection between these three
Speaker 2: people that kind of were unique in that they were
Speaker 2: studying psychoactive effects of adrenochrome, going directly to out as
Speaker 2: Huxley out as Huxley writes it in his book, and
Speaker 2: he lists it alongside mescaline psilocybin LSD. So here is
Speaker 2: a very direct connection of it being a known psychedelic,
Speaker 2: with multiple researchers all confirming this, multiple papers, all sorts
Speaker 2: of different animals tested on having a predictable and repeatable results. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how much more I can
Speaker 2: put on the table to convince that this is not
Speaker 2: just a random conspiracy theory somebody thought up when they
Speaker 2: were shooting Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, the movie adaptation, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, I believe Terry Gilliam in the director
Speaker 2: commentary of that movie makes this claim that they made
Speaker 2: it up for the movie, as like this fictional thing,
Speaker 2: which is also demonstrably false.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, we all know that Hunter S. Thompson was
Speaker 1: on something a lot of somethings.
Speaker 2: And I don't doubt that he was actually doing a drenochrome,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people that come to disprove a
Speaker 2: drenochrome as a psychedelic or even as a chemical at all,
Speaker 2: which is even crazier. But a lot of people if
Speaker 2: they hone it down and just like, oh, it doesn't
Speaker 2: actually have any effects, a lot of it is based
Speaker 2: on them. Assuming that all of that came from Fear
Speaker 2: and Loathing, which I mean, the book was like nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy one, I think, predating the movie by at least
Speaker 2: twenty plus years. And even in Fear and Loathing that
Speaker 2: Hunter S. Thompson wrote about, he wasn't even the first one.
Speaker 2: It was written about in fiction three or four times
Speaker 2: prior to that, up to a decade or earlier before.
Speaker 3: So it's been around for a while. Science has known
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: And I guess I'll squeeze in one little aspect here
Speaker 2: because the title of that documentary I made is called
Speaker 2: Adrenochrome Freemasonry and mk Ultra. I am full well you know,
Speaker 2: knowing that that is a very like click baity title,
Speaker 2: but it's also one hundred percent accurate and one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why I don't think we know a lot
Speaker 2: about adrenochrome as a psychedelic is because during that transition,
Speaker 2: especially in like the mid fifties, is when a lot
Speaker 2: of these studies were being published. That orb Weaver Spider
Speaker 2: I just mentioned, mk Ultra takes the stage, and at
Speaker 2: that point the US government decides all psychedelics are kind
Speaker 2: of like a state secret. It's almost like a military
Speaker 2: use that they've gotten mind for it, so it's not
Speaker 2: really ready for public consumption, and it eventually makes its
Speaker 2: way to the Controlled Substances List.
Speaker 1: I believe, yeah, that is factual, because I've read stuff
Speaker 1: on that too, and it's you know, what they really
Speaker 1: needed was a guy like Sid Sid Gottlieb to come
Speaker 1: in and just spike everybody, because he must have been
Speaker 1: a dangerous son of a bitch in college, like just
Speaker 1: he's the guy that spiked the punch with everything I
Speaker 1: remember reading about him, and he would just dose everybody
Speaker 1: with LSD or whatever it is they were testing and
Speaker 1: just not even tell him. You just wanted to see
Speaker 1: what would happen.
Speaker 2: Well, he earned the nickname Dirty Tricks. That was his
Speaker 2: legit name. Even in the professional world. He was known
Speaker 2: as the dirty trickster. End I believe the Black Sorcerer.
Speaker 2: Make that of what you will, but that is also
Speaker 2: documented in many of his biographies that those were his
Speaker 2: two nicknames. I don't know if that's the person that
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, come on over, and then like you
Speaker 2: leave him with a punch bowl and you walk into
Speaker 2: the other room and just assume he's not going to
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember reading the story about they stopped taking cigarettes
Speaker 1: from him or something like that, because you never know
Speaker 1: what he would put in it, you know.
Speaker 2: And I guess one of the most publicized cases that
Speaker 2: shows the type of person Sidney Gottlieb was was the
Speaker 2: case of Frank Olsen, who was working at the biochem
Speaker 2: laboratories for the CIA, and he was basically given LSD
Speaker 2: in a glass of some kind of liquor.
Speaker 3: It was like contro or something, and he drinks it.
Speaker 2: And I bet I'm gonna assume because we don't have
Speaker 2: a lot of his subjective records, but basically like sees
Speaker 2: the face of God or whatever, like taps into like
Speaker 2: this other dimension or different perspective of understanding. When he
Speaker 2: comes back to he kind of has these thoughts like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm creating weapons of like war and
Speaker 2: biochemical warfare. Maybe what I'm doing isn't right, and almost
Speaker 2: in a way becomes like a conscientious objector before maybe
Speaker 2: that term even existed, which essentially got him pushed out
Speaker 2: moving yell out.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a sealed window that didn't normally open. It
Speaker 2: was broke in. They showed that the glass pieces had
Speaker 2: to have been broken from that anyway, without getting into
Speaker 2: that whole case. That is basically one of the better
Speaker 2: examples that's documented of the type of guy Sidney Gottlieb was.
Speaker 2: He would basically dose a coworker and then gaslight them
Speaker 2: in their family for decades. And I think one of
Speaker 2: the most important aspects of this is before anyone knew
Speaker 2: what LSD he necessarily was.
Speaker 3: So it's not like he would just dose.
Speaker 2: Someone and then someone's like, oh, I think someone gave
Speaker 2: me a psychedelic and then you can kind of process
Speaker 2: that this would just be you start seeing things and
Speaker 2: hearing things and have absolutely no idea where it's coming from,
Speaker 2: and you don't even know that this is something being
Speaker 2: actively researched. That must have been a next level of terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think the takeaway for the listeners is
Speaker 1: that they did that with LSD and that was the
Speaker 1: kind of people that these researchers were, like, they would
Speaker 1: just dose people and do whatever they wanted to do
Speaker 1: with thinking there was no consequence, and adrenochrome is probably
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, they probably just did whatever
Speaker 1: they want to do and then light about it afterwards,
Speaker 1: because they burned most of those documents. Right when you're
Speaker 1: talking about Frank Olsen and stuff, you're talking about things
Speaker 1: that you know, half of it's gone for one reason
Speaker 1: or another because didn't his daughter or somebody like that
Speaker 1: take them to court, take the CIA.
Speaker 2: And absolutely only after they exhumed the body and had
Speaker 2: it investigated. Against the CIA's suggestions, they were like, Oh,
Speaker 2: you don't want to traumatize yourself, you want to see,
Speaker 2: you know, your dead dad decaying and decide like, let's
Speaker 2: just let you know, sleeping dogs lie. But they exhumed
Speaker 2: the body and then through that process and doing a
Speaker 2: very very post mortem autopsy, discovered that there was also
Speaker 2: blunt force trauma to the back of the head or
Speaker 2: it might have been I think it was from the
Speaker 2: back of the head. Which kind of gave more evidence
Speaker 2: that he was dead before he hit the ground.
Speaker 3: So a lot of.
Speaker 2: This you mentioned they got away with it, like not
Speaker 2: only they get away with it, almost every person in
Speaker 2: these level of m K each's research, Gottlieb and doctor
Speaker 2: Ewen Cameron and a whole list of them, they basically
Speaker 2: lived to old age retirement, you know, uh, just doing
Speaker 2: what they want to do. There was there was pretty
Speaker 2: much no real repercussions for any of this legally, socially,
Speaker 2: morally or other.
Speaker 1: So was in doctor ew And Cameron involved in the
Speaker 1: adrenochrome studies too.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't believe doctor Ewan Cameron was involved
Speaker 2: in that. He was just another MK ultra scientist that
Speaker 2: also got to basically have free reign on human experimentation
Speaker 2: with no real legal repercussions. I do believe that some
Speaker 2: of those victims sued the state, so Canada eventually because
Speaker 2: I believe he was at Montreal, so Canada eventually pays out,
Speaker 2: just like when the family of Frank Olsen sues the CIA.
Speaker 2: The state pays out, but the actual people involved like this,
Speaker 2: you know, the city got leaves and the ew and
Speaker 2: Cameron's and the long list of other George Hunter whites.
Speaker 2: They aren't ever really brought any sort of consequences.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, it's a.
Speaker 2: Weird state of being, right when you're like, that person
Speaker 2: did this illegal thing that caused my family to lose
Speaker 2: a member and like, Okay, don't worry, the government will
Speaker 2: cut you this check. And it's like, wait, but that
Speaker 2: guy is like still out roaming and publishing books and
Speaker 2: being accredited. So it's it's sort of a sad outcome,
Speaker 2: especially when you look into any of the victims and
Speaker 2: what happened to them. The best case scenario is they
Speaker 2: might have gotten like a few hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: You know, that's even sadder because that is exactly the
Speaker 1: kind of system that we do live in and hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: People are allowed to do whatever they want to you
Speaker 1: and roam the streets, and the government thinks they can
Speaker 1: just pay you off. You know. But I got to
Speaker 1: ask a question about, you know, the conspiracy theory aspect
Speaker 1: of this thing, Like why do you think Adream and
Speaker 1: Chrome is mostly just a conspiracy theory to people? And
Speaker 1: why do they always try to bring in the elite
Speaker 1: and the sacrifices and the human trafficking and things like that.
Speaker 2: What does that have to do with anything? Well, why
Speaker 2: does any conspiracy theory exists? Because there is an intentional
Speaker 2: obfuscation of information. There's a complete lack of transparency which
Speaker 2: invites a lot of speculations. So, like I was even
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, even Abram Hawfer, during his research in the
Speaker 2: fifties made this very specific note of like, hey, it's
Speaker 2: weird that all these other scientists to keep trying to
Speaker 2: discredit our work in our papers. They just kind of
Speaker 2: handwave it and say, oh, that's not possible, and they
Speaker 2: would publish it and get you know, there are credited researchers,
Speaker 2: so people would read those and say, oh, well, doctor
Speaker 2: B says that doctor A is wrong about that. So
Speaker 2: I guess that it was all a fake scam all
Speaker 2: to begin with.
Speaker 3: And this was blowing.
Speaker 2: Hoffer's mind at the time too, Why is anyone doing this?
Speaker 2: And again I think it does lead into they wanted
Speaker 2: to keep any sort of psychedelics research which kind of
Speaker 2: under wraps for military and sort of intelligence reasons, And
Speaker 2: that is that intentional obfuscation, a lack of transparency. You
Speaker 2: let that fester for about seventy years and now, the
Speaker 2: only outlet that adrenochrome research has starts without as Huxley's
Speaker 2: there's a perception, and then it works its way into
Speaker 2: science fiction and sort of like horror novels, and not
Speaker 2: beyond that, there's really no other research aside from Abrahmhoffer's
Speaker 2: work that goes into this aspect of it. So that's
Speaker 2: that's half of it. The other half, too, is that
Speaker 2: when it gets into the conspiracy theory angle, it gets
Speaker 2: conflated very often with two different topics. One of those
Speaker 2: is pineal gland, which we could talk about, which is
Speaker 2: not really related to adrenochrome in any tangible way.
Speaker 3: But also.
Speaker 2: Adrenochrome is incredibly unique in addition to adrenaline, which was
Speaker 2: first synthesized in nineteen oh one. So this is it's
Speaker 2: fairly new and the scope of you know, humanity, and
Speaker 2: even just like modern science, they finally discover how to
Speaker 2: synthesize adrenaline. From there, they start recognizing that adrenaline is
Speaker 2: chemically very similar to mescaline in a host of other
Speaker 2: sort of serotonergic drugs that have these like pronounced effects.
Speaker 2: They start walking backwards and one of the ideas is
Speaker 2: oh i wonder if people that have schizophrenia or dementia
Speaker 2: or getting into these hallucinogenic fits, I wonder if there's
Speaker 2: some sort of a blood in their or a drug
Speaker 2: in their bloodstream that's causing these hallucinations. And this goes
Speaker 2: back way way before nineteen oh one. I think even
Speaker 2: Carl Jung had an assumption of something called toxin X,
Speaker 2: which in itself is based on even older research from
Speaker 2: like ancient times that alls were trying to explain away
Speaker 2: dimension schizophrenia as like this outside thing or a chemical
Speaker 2: imbalance before that term even existed inside the body. And
Speaker 2: eventually they isolate the blood of Skitzer front of patients
Speaker 2: detect high levels of adrenochrome, and then start to assume, Oh,
Speaker 2: there's this chemical in the blood called adrenochrome.
Speaker 3: It's making them act crazy.
Speaker 2: The reason that I sort of brought all that up
Speaker 2: is because the conspiracy comes from that this is actually
Speaker 2: in human blood. You can theoretically and very feasibly take
Speaker 2: a human being, extract their blood and then convert that
Speaker 2: into adrenochrome and then ingest that adrenochrome and have a
Speaker 2: psychedelic experience.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be cut and dry or very easy.
Speaker 2: It would probably be the least efficient way of obtaining
Speaker 2: adrenochrome would be to like go through human's blood and
Speaker 2: isolating all this. You'd probably watch it oxidize right in
Speaker 2: front of you and lose all of its potency in
Speaker 2: that process. But it is theoretically possible to do all
Speaker 2: of that. So now you have the first instance of
Speaker 2: blood magic, but now in a secular scientific term, where
Speaker 2: maybe before it was just rumors and legends and stories
Speaker 2: about oh, you know, you torture someone and you drink
Speaker 2: their blood and you get to talk to God. Well,
Speaker 2: now there's a scientific basis for that. So as soon
Speaker 2: as that happens, which I think is around the nineteen
Speaker 2: thirties to forties, but by the fifties, when this is
Speaker 2: being actively talked about by Huxley and by all the
Speaker 2: science fiction writers, they kind of run with this because
Speaker 2: it's the perfect blending of blood libel conspiracies, of all
Speaker 2: sorts of other like sacrificial conspiracies. So it kind of
Speaker 2: meets this old world and the new world, and the
Speaker 2: conspiracies can just like thrive in this because now there's
Speaker 2: an essential focal point of some of the oldest taboos
Speaker 2: that we've got matched with a chemical that no one
Speaker 2: was necessarily allowed to research or publish any of their
Speaker 2: research about.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, fair enough, that seems to be the way
Speaker 1: that is the conspiracy theories, though. It's just always enough
Speaker 1: information to confuse the shit out of you, and so
Speaker 1: you never actually really understand what's going on unless you're
Speaker 1: willing to go really deep, you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: think very many want to go that deep. It's easier
Speaker 1: to just have things that are like brain candy. You
Speaker 1: can talk about it with your friends or get over
Speaker 1: whatever jolly's you get out of it, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, and there's another even more important dynamic here, I
Speaker 2: guess more relevant now in the twenty twenties, because I
Speaker 2: don't know what kind of censorship would have been around
Speaker 2: adrenochrome in the nineteen nineties. Have you just started publishing
Speaker 2: papers or talking about it. I don't know if that
Speaker 2: had achieved the same sort of nefarious conspiracy theory lore
Speaker 2: and all the baggage that comes with it. But what
Speaker 2: I think started fascinating me the most was that when
Speaker 2: I started posting about this, like, hey, here's a research
Speaker 2: paper from the nineteen fifties, here's evidence that they tested
Speaker 2: it on spider's pigeon, mice, rabbits, cats, monkeys, humans, Right,
Speaker 2: here's a documented evidence. And those posts would get like
Speaker 2: strikes and like accounts banned. And it was the weirdest
Speaker 2: thing because I guess, in my weird monkey brain in
Speaker 2: the back, it was like, wait a minute, I'm just
Speaker 2: publishing research paper from the fifties.
Speaker 3: It's pretty boring. It's not even really saying anything.
Speaker 2: If anything, it says they're fairly mild compared to the
Speaker 2: other psychedelics known. Yet any mention of adrenochrome would kind
Speaker 2: of get classified as misinformation or hate speech or violent
Speaker 2: dangerous speech.
Speaker 3: And that's I think what piqued my curiosity.
Speaker 2: The most out of anything was that why is this
Speaker 2: otherwise benign, naturally occurring chemical that's in our blood right now?
Speaker 3: Why is this such a taboo subject?
Speaker 2: And why did it get conflated with like all of
Speaker 2: this QAnon and all these other I guess, like radical
Speaker 2: extremist conspiracies. So I guess part of me is like
Speaker 2: the Lady Doth protests too much in a way, like
Speaker 2: why is there so much censorship about not letting anyone
Speaker 2: mention this why not let people talk about it and
Speaker 2: then just point out, oh, that's not true. Here's the facts.
Speaker 2: But it's just any discussion of it is not allowed.
Speaker 1: I totally understand how you feel, because I'm in the
Speaker 1: same boat as you with all this stuff I talk about.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get hit with strikes for no reason.
Speaker 1: You know, YouTube doesn't even want me on there anymore.
Speaker 2: And the one that proved it to me the most,
Speaker 2: and everyone that I knew that had already been streaming
Speaker 2: and doing YouTube for years and years before I even
Speaker 2: thought about creating a channel. But they're like, man, just
Speaker 2: don't do it. Don't talk about it, Adrenochrome, don't post
Speaker 2: a video. You're wasting your time working on this twenty
Speaker 2: minute because it took me like a couple of months
Speaker 2: to really put all of it together. And I'm just thinking, like,
Speaker 2: you guys are insane, Like you're just paranoid conspiracy Like
Speaker 2: I get it. I'm in the same world too. But
Speaker 2: if I just post scientific research and I show here's
Speaker 2: the research paper and don't make any salacious claims, don't
Speaker 2: say anything about babies or torture or black magic or
Speaker 2: blood like.
Speaker 3: None of that.
Speaker 2: Just all science, No one's going to take this down.
Speaker 2: What are they going to strike like a research paper.
Speaker 2: It turns out yes, not only will they also do that.
Speaker 2: But I was like, okay, well, maybe it's the mention
Speaker 2: of the word drug or psychedelic, or maybe because I
Speaker 2: mentioned ibogain or you know, mushrooms or any of these.
Speaker 2: So I went back through the documentary and I literally
Speaker 2: beeped out every single instance of the word blood, drug, drenochrome, cocaine, DMT,
Speaker 2: like anything at all that you couldn't say in front
Speaker 2: of a like a fifth grade elementary class, right. I
Speaker 2: bleeped all of that out. I even went onto the
Speaker 2: visuals and off you. I even used the mosaic or
Speaker 2: just like a little black bar, and I blocked out
Speaker 2: every single time those words were shown on the screen.
Speaker 2: And even doing all of that, I still was getting
Speaker 2: strikes and takedowns from uploading this. So at that point
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I get the message. Everyone that
Speaker 2: was telling me that this is just like the ultimate
Speaker 2: taboo subject that you're not allowed to talk about in
Speaker 2: any capacity.
Speaker 3: They were right and I was wrong.
Speaker 2: And I still it's still hard for me to like
Speaker 2: sort of understand why any of that would happen. Why
Speaker 2: was the twenty minute documentary that you saw, Why is
Speaker 2: that being classified as hate speech? Like that's literally the
Speaker 2: takedown was that it was related to hate speech. And
Speaker 2: I think it is because this connection of blood libel
Speaker 2: to adrenochrome, which only exists in the minds of a
Speaker 2: small minority of people, it seems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think if anybody really understood how deep
Speaker 1: it went, they would figure out that all of their
Speaker 1: false idols on TV and you know, their favorite musicians
Speaker 1: and everything were probably inculcated into something that was quite dark.
Speaker 1: And that's where you get into all the other crazy
Speaker 1: stuff like spirit cooking and all this crazy shit. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, and there's another interesting intersection that I didn't expect
Speaker 2: to come up on all this too. But some of
Speaker 2: the names in the spirit cooking and the Pizza Gate
Speaker 2: and all of that, a prevalent name that comes up
Speaker 2: often is Podesta, right, John and Tony Podesta brothers. And
Speaker 2: in fact, the whole Pizza gate came from leaked emails
Speaker 2: from Podesta's email account that got fished, I believe because
Speaker 2: he had like some really base It was like Speed
Speaker 2: one two three four, Runner one two three four something
Speaker 2: like really easy. Got into the emails, they find these
Speaker 2: weird cryptic messages about maps on handkerchiefs, the pizza places
Speaker 2: and walnut sauce and all like I'm sure you've heard
Speaker 2: all of the rumors of all these things.
Speaker 3: But there's also an interesting connection.
Speaker 2: To like this world of high art, like the artistic society,
Speaker 2: where the Marina Bramovic type of characters come into play.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: They do all of these spear cooking sessions, typically in
Speaker 2: these modern museums of art or in these like high
Speaker 2: falutin sort of environments where people pay fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: for a plate, so just to be in the grace
Speaker 2: of celebrities and artists doing this thing so they can
Speaker 2: feel like they're cultured. Well, the very first time that
Speaker 2: I'm aware of the Adrenochrome enters the art world was
Speaker 2: in either ninety four or ninety six by a very
Speaker 2: popular artist, the richest artist in the UK, named Damien Hurst,
Speaker 2: and he puts out this series of paintings called Dots.
Speaker 3: He put out a lot of them.
Speaker 2: One of those paintings in particular was called Adrenochrome semiicarbazone
Speaker 2: something or other. But now you've got a painting where
Speaker 2: someone has drawn adrenochrome, it gets snatched up by a
Speaker 2: German collector. It was his first large purchase that happened
Speaker 2: at Christie's in London. Fifteen years later, he's now the
Speaker 2: richest UK artist on the planet. I think last net
Speaker 2: worth was estimated around three hundred and ninety million dollars.
Speaker 2: Not that it all came from that adrenochrome painting, but
Speaker 2: the reason that I bring this up is that here
Speaker 2: is the high art world now sort of like engaging
Speaker 2: with this adrenochrome concept. Damien Hurst is also known for
Speaker 2: some pretty provocative works, lots of people that have been
Speaker 2: cut in half, sculptures, not real people, but like pregnant
Speaker 2: women that have been cut in half to reveal the
Speaker 2: inside of the body, the inside of the fetus, like
Speaker 2: pretty visceral stuff. He also was pretty famous about one
Speaker 2: called I think it was like Mother and Calf or something,
Speaker 2: and this is where he cut a cow and its
Speaker 2: calf in half, suspended them from aldehyde and in glass
Speaker 2: and put this in art museums. So you we just
Speaker 2: walked through and the whole art exhibit was just a
Speaker 2: cow slice in half and you could see inside of
Speaker 2: its body, so again like this very visceral aspect. One
Speaker 2: of the collectors of Damien Hurst's other work, which is
Speaker 2: documented well documented on art websites, are the Podesta brothers,
Speaker 2: in particular Tony Podesta collected a number of them, some
Speaker 2: of them even more strange than a picture of dots,
Speaker 2: Like a lot of them were maps of like World
Speaker 2: War three and different places with like body counts, as
Speaker 2: if bombs were going to hit Europe and how many
Speaker 2: people would die there. And we're talking about an art
Speaker 2: piece here, right, Just an interesting collect you know, eclectic
Speaker 2: collection of things that the Podesta brothers were into. But
Speaker 2: this is I think where a lot of the conspiracy
Speaker 2: also gets conflated with all of this because now in
Speaker 2: the high art world where they're doing spirit cooking, they're
Speaker 2: doing like these Pizzagate style rituals, politicians and celebrities join
Speaker 2: in and it probably gives them this sense of again
Speaker 2: like I'm cultured now, like I'm just a boring politician.
Speaker 2: Normally I'm just I'm a lawyer, you know, on all
Speaker 2: other aspects of life, and this boring lawyer that's just
Speaker 2: doing court cases and rhetorical skills all day. But I
Speaker 2: want to feel like I'm part of like a bigger movement,
Speaker 2: and I've got something more to my right brain and
Speaker 2: I'm more creative. So I think that that the artists
Speaker 2: also say, like, Hey, that guy's got money, but he's
Speaker 2: also got a big vacuous space.
Speaker 3: That he's trying to fill.
Speaker 2: Come into the fold, Come come to this like spirit
Speaker 2: cooking ritual party with us. And it ends up being
Speaker 2: a great collaboration between the two because now you've got
Speaker 2: both people elevating the status of the other. You've got
Speaker 2: the artists that are now being justified and given credibility
Speaker 2: because of how close they are in relation to celebrities
Speaker 2: and politicians. But now you've also got politicians. It's like, look,
Speaker 2: I'm not just a suit and a lawyer. Like I'm
Speaker 2: a fancy artist too. Look I'm getting invited to MoMA again.
Speaker 1: Having said that, let's get back into the evidence that
Speaker 1: maybe adrenochrome has long, jefty promoting properties, Like what is
Speaker 1: that about?
Speaker 2: Okay, So this one comes specifically again from Abramhoffer, and
Speaker 2: Abramhoffer put out a number of papers. The very first
Speaker 2: one was called the adrenochrome hypothesis, and this was the
Speaker 2: very beginning of him basically discussing the possibility that adrenochrome
Speaker 2: either caused schizophrenia or was somehow directly related to schizophrenia,
Speaker 2: and then I think the first version of this was
Speaker 2: sometime in the nineteen sixties. He continues to build on
Speaker 2: this over and over, and by nineteen ninety six he
Speaker 2: puts out sort of a summary of all his other
Speaker 2: years of work up to that point, and in this
Speaker 2: he has this hypothesis that kind of makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense, highly disputed by other people, the same ones
Speaker 2: that have been disproving as credit since the fifties. But
Speaker 2: his idea is that if you were to oversimplify it,
Speaker 2: there's almost like two classes of people.
Speaker 3: There are those that are predisposed to heart.
Speaker 2: Disease and cancer, and there are those that are predisposed
Speaker 2: to dementia and schizophrenia. Is obviously are not too exclusively
Speaker 2: mutual groups. There's plenty of cases where someone has both.
Speaker 2: There's cases where someone has neither both personally and in
Speaker 2: their family line. But his and I believe it's called
Speaker 2: adrenochrome hypothesis revisited, and in this he states some pretty
Speaker 2: large claims, but that people that are predisposed to schizophrenia
Speaker 2: or that have schizophrenia in their family line are more
Speaker 2: resistant to malignant cancers, so like, if they did get cancer,
Speaker 2: it would be something that they could have removed then
Speaker 2: it wouldn't come back.
Speaker 3: And also less instances of heart problems.
Speaker 2: And then the opposite was also true that people that
Speaker 2: had high instances of cancer in their family or heart
Speaker 2: problems tended to not have schizophrenia in their family line.
Speaker 2: So based on these very like initial observations, he goes
Speaker 2: deeper and deeper into it all the way. I guess
Speaker 2: one of the most delagious claims he makes is that
Speaker 2: the Bubonic plague or the Black plague, the people that
Speaker 2: survived it might have been majority schizophrenics, or at least
Speaker 2: have had the genetic trade of schizophrenia in their family line,
Speaker 2: and that this sort of implies that adrenochrome because let
Speaker 2: me explain how drea chrome comes into this. Like I
Speaker 2: mentioned in the nineteen thirties through fifties, that concept that
Speaker 2: young had of toxin acts or that schizophrenics just had
Speaker 2: this weird chemical in their system making them act this way.
Speaker 2: The assumption was that that chemical was a drenochrome. So
Speaker 2: the I guess the deduction here was that a drenochrome
Speaker 2: itself would cause schitzo, so therefore taking a drenochrome can
Speaker 2: help you beat the bubonic plague, or taking adrenochrome can
Speaker 2: help it make it so you won't get cancer and
Speaker 2: therefore you'll live longer. He also states things like a
Speaker 2: more youthful, a more youthful appearance, slower aging, less wrinkles,
Speaker 2: more creative, more poets, musicians artists will tend to be
Speaker 2: from families that have detailed history of a schizophrenia and dementia.
Speaker 3: Again, this is not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 2: This isn't like if you don't have schizophrena your family,
Speaker 2: you'll never write a good song.
Speaker 3: That's not really how that worked.
Speaker 2: But this was highly conflated and acknowledged by Hoffer that
Speaker 2: it's not a drenochrome that is doing this. It's not
Speaker 2: that you just ingest a drenochrome and now you live longer,
Speaker 2: and now you beat cancer and now you look younger.
Speaker 2: It's more so that if you have higher levels of
Speaker 2: adrenochrome in your blood than a normal person, then it
Speaker 2: also means that your body, for whatever reason, is sort
Speaker 2: of entering these fight or flight responses more often than
Speaker 2: not compared to a baseline person, and that you might
Speaker 2: not even realize this. Your body is just so good
Speaker 2: through your family line that you just happen to produce
Speaker 2: lots of adrenaline constantly, and your body's constantly processing it
Speaker 2: to make sure that you're not feeling the effects of
Speaker 2: it having a heart attack or any other kind of problems.
Speaker 2: So that would go to say that that person that's
Speaker 2: constantly producing more adrenaline than others is exhibiting the signs
Speaker 2: of someone that has dementia, schizophrenia and their family. So
Speaker 2: really the adrenochrome hypothesis is more like, if you've got
Speaker 2: schizophrenia in your family, there's a better chance that you'll
Speaker 2: live longer, even if it's not necessarily under the best terms,
Speaker 2: like great, you live longer, but you might also have
Speaker 2: demnia as you get older. But you also pointed out
Speaker 2: that if you had a schizophrenia and recovered from it,
Speaker 2: specifically what they used to call dementia precox, which is
Speaker 2: if an old person gets dementia, it's just like grandpa's
Speaker 2: sun setting, he's acting weird.
Speaker 3: That's what old people do, right. There's not like a
Speaker 3: lot of hope for it.
Speaker 2: But if you see a twenty year twenty year old
Speaker 2: son acting like your eighty year old grandpa, and now
Speaker 2: it's a cause for concern because that isn't typically normal.
Speaker 2: And without getting on a whole tangent that I don't
Speaker 2: have enough research on, but also that early onset schizophrenia
Speaker 2: dementia PRECOX would tend to be linked to some sort
Speaker 2: of early traumatic experience, often sexual by nature, like as
Speaker 2: a kid. But it's not just like a switch that
Speaker 2: just flips and all of a sudden your body is
Speaker 2: producing extra adrenaline and causing schizophrenia. There's like an actual
Speaker 2: environmental stimulus that the body responds and enters this new state.
Speaker 2: So the whole adrenochrome hypothesis was more like the schizophrenic
Speaker 2: bloodline hypothesis and how having schizophrenia in your family can
Speaker 2: lead to longer youthful experience, more creative I guess like Russians.
Speaker 2: Now this easily gets conflated like, oh, you're saying that
Speaker 2: if I drink adrenochrome, I can write a hit album
Speaker 2: or I'm an artist. Now that's kind of where it
Speaker 2: gets taken to. If you if you simplify all into
Speaker 2: like five words. That's kind of where a lot of
Speaker 2: these conspiracy theories kind of come from, is that like
Speaker 2: misconception that adrenochrome is the thing, when really it's just
Speaker 2: a an indicator of something else going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't help that they wave this stuff
Speaker 1: right in front of your face too, because if you remember,
Speaker 1: and I know you, I know you know about this,
Speaker 1: like that movie was it Bruce Willis or somebody? Death
Speaker 1: becomes her? Who was it?
Speaker 3: MARYL. Street?
Speaker 1: I'm I thinking there right there.
Speaker 2: Right, And they've got a little pink vial of potion
Speaker 2: that lets them live forever.
Speaker 3: Essentially, they've got like a youth serum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they I remember watching an episode or
Speaker 1: two of The Simpsons. I think it's actually mentioned several
Speaker 1: times in the Simpsons.
Speaker 2: But episode it is called blood Feud, and this is
Speaker 2: where Montgomery Burns discovers that if you takes Bart's blood,
Speaker 2: then he can keep himself youthful.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think even more recently Machine Gun Kelly too,
Speaker 1: they kind of wave that in front of your face
Speaker 1: in some one of his music videos too, where there's
Speaker 1: like some kind of a pink, reddish substance that they're
Speaker 1: playing with I can't remember exactly what it is, but
Speaker 1: I saw it and I was like, you gotta be
Speaker 1: kidding me, because it was I mean.
Speaker 2: This also again adds to a little bit of the
Speaker 2: conspiracy inflation, because before even adrenaline was discovered, even if
Speaker 2: you want to turn back the clock as far as
Speaker 2: you can, when the first person discovered the adrenal glands,
Speaker 2: I think it was like, I'm going to make up
Speaker 2: a number. I think it was like eighteen fifty eight.
Speaker 2: Then it was like some French guy, but no one
Speaker 2: had necessarily put their finger on here's this substance that
Speaker 2: causes this kind of behavior or even gives any sort
Speaker 2: of youth serum properties. But what does go way before that?
Speaker 2: Are like Elizabeth of Bathory, right, the lady that would
Speaker 2: like bathe in the blood of young women and children
Speaker 2: in order to give herself a youthful appearance. Almost all
Speaker 2: blood magic can be tied back to these concepts of
Speaker 2: eternal youth or at least prolonging your life. So it's
Speaker 2: on a kind of a different track than adrenochrome. Specifically,
Speaker 2: we're getting into blood magic, vampirism, even cannibalism in some cases.
Speaker 2: But I think The key point here is that in
Speaker 2: nineteen oh one and then in the nineteen thirties, when
Speaker 2: adrenochrome is discovered, a lot of people start saying, oh,
Speaker 2: this thing is like this thing, and it combines into
Speaker 2: the same thing, when really, I mean they're related tangentially,
Speaker 2: but it's not the same thing. I don't think there
Speaker 2: was ever really a claim of a drenochrome specifically providing
Speaker 2: everlasting youth until some of that Hoffer research came in. Now,
Speaker 2: another thing that gets conflated, and I know it gets messy.
Speaker 2: There's so many angles here. Another thing that gets conflated
Speaker 2: almost always, especially if you go on like Twitter or
Speaker 2: Instagram or any of the can speak re see threads
Speaker 2: and channels, is people will be like, oh, adrenochrome comes
Speaker 2: from the pineal gland.
Speaker 3: Well, that's not true at all.
Speaker 2: The pineal glands in the center of your brain is
Speaker 2: part of the endocrime system. It does regulate hormones, but
Speaker 2: it does not regulate adrenaline. The adrenaline comes from your
Speaker 2: adrenal glands, which are on top of your kidneys, which
Speaker 2: is pretty damn far away in relation within the human body.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like saying I got it in California,
Speaker 2: but really you got it in New York. So these
Speaker 2: things are not the same. But some of the claims
Speaker 2: about what the pineal gland could do to the human
Speaker 2: body reflect things that we hear now about adrenochrome. I've
Speaker 2: got newspaper articles that date back to the nineteen thirties
Speaker 2: and earlier that show they were feeding pineal glands the chickens,
Speaker 2: to cows, even to human beings, specifically children, and the
Speaker 2: claim was that feeding children pineal glands, or feeding chicks
Speaker 2: or caves pineal glands would cause them to age and
Speaker 2: enter puberty much faster. Some of the new paper claims
Speaker 2: or things like again i'll paaraphrase it.
Speaker 3: I can look it up if you need the exact quote,
Speaker 3: but i'll pair phrase.
Speaker 2: It's like, give your seven year old some pineal glands
Speaker 2: and they'll be ready to help you out on the
Speaker 2: farm like they were, you know, a fifteen year old
Speaker 2: in the course of months, instead of waiting years for
Speaker 2: them to help you on the farm. A lot of
Speaker 2: these were like fantastical claims that didn't necessarily get backed
Speaker 2: up as far as I know.
Speaker 3: Maybe this is just more suppressed research, but here we.
Speaker 2: Have another instance of consuming part of another human being's
Speaker 2: body and having some tangible growth effect, youth effect. It's
Speaker 2: a it's sort of in that same line. So you
Speaker 2: can see how easily someone being like, oh yeah, well
Speaker 2: eat their penal gland, or if I eat their adrenal gland,
Speaker 2: or if I drink their blood, it's all it's all
Speaker 2: the same, it all has the same effect. It all
Speaker 2: gets conflated into one thing. So that was one of
Speaker 2: the hardest things in my research, is meticulously separating but
Speaker 2: not ignoring and continuously acknowledging. But like pineal gland claims,
Speaker 2: adrenaline and adrenochrome claims, blood magic claims, these are all
Speaker 2: sort of three separate things. But once you know you're
Speaker 2: not allowed to talk about adrenochrome, it's so easy to
Speaker 2: just pile all those and now a drenochrome represents all
Speaker 2: of the things.
Speaker 1: Right as you were talking about that, I can help
Speaker 1: but think of miser loop. I remember there was like
Speaker 1: a creepy guy when I lived in Pennsyal.
Speaker 2: Also also named a drenochrome. That was like the American
Speaker 2: release title was a drenochrome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a creepy guy that lived
Speaker 1: in the basement in my house in Pennsylvania, and he
Speaker 1: told me about watching that movie one in Town.
Speaker 3: And I was like what.
Speaker 1: And back then I wasn't really so much into like
Speaker 1: adrenochrome and what it was and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I focused on other things. But he remember, he creeped
Speaker 1: me out because he used to watch all these different
Speaker 1: horror movies and stuff and he would just talk about
Speaker 1: them all the time. But that was the one that
Speaker 1: stood out to me.
Speaker 2: Well, And that was like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. So
Speaker 2: you're kind of lucky that you dodged all of this
Speaker 2: nonsense for such a long time.
Speaker 3: It goes back so deep man.
Speaker 2: That's I would almost say that Miserlou or that Adrenochrome
Speaker 2: movie is probably like one of the turning points. Not
Speaker 2: that it was a catalyst, but it was an indicator
Speaker 2: of how like the sort of mass popularity that this
Speaker 2: concept of adrenochrome being this satanic, psychedelic, supernatural substance started
Speaker 2: to become very mainstream. And I found some of the
Speaker 2: notes of the specific claims the Abramhoffer makes in his
Speaker 2: research paper. It goes to this youth sier maspect. So
Speaker 2: I'll give you the highlights that I found the most interesting.
Speaker 2: So here this is in Abrahmhoffer's words from his nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six Adrenochrome Hypothesis revisited. He says there is no
Speaker 2: overall advantage in having schizophrenia. In being sick. The advantage
Speaker 2: arises from having the genes of schizophrenia, which do not
Speaker 2: express themselves in the first order relatives of the patients.
Speaker 2: And then he says parents, children, and siblings of schizophre
Speaker 2: rennix will have the advantages of the recovered patients, and
Speaker 2: then he cites what these advantages are. Physical advantages are
Speaker 2: a more youthful appearance, especially as you age, less gray hair,
Speaker 2: fewer attacks of autoimmune diseases, more ability to tolerate pain,
Speaker 2: more resistance against bacterial and infections, and evidence of getting
Speaker 2: cancer less frequently. He then states intellectual pros not more intelligent,
Speaker 2: but more creative in thinking, and many become top scientists, artists, writers,
Speaker 2: and poets. And then he kind of summarizes all this
Speaker 2: again and he says patients who are ill, meaning patients
Speaker 2: that get schizophrenia and then regain these advantages when they recover.
Speaker 2: If every potential schizophrenic. We're giving adequate amounts of vitamin
Speaker 2: B three niacin before they became ill, it would have
Speaker 2: less probability of becoming sick and would enjoy the advantages.
Speaker 2: The reason that this is such an important aspect is that,
Speaker 2: aside from Hawfer being one of the only people along
Speaker 2: with Smithy's, Smithy's and Osmond, but this is the first
Speaker 2: time that he's acknowledging this concept of vitamin B three
Speaker 2: or nisin having some miraculous effect across the board. And
Speaker 2: in fact, Abramhoffer is also known as the father of
Speaker 2: ortho molecular medicine, which he's the one that basically fortifies cereals.
Speaker 2: Like when you look on the back of the cheerios
Speaker 2: and it's like it's got iron and it's got vitamin A, B, C,
Speaker 2: D N. You said, like, how do all those vitamins
Speaker 2: get in there? Like, they don't naturally grow in the
Speaker 2: cheerio plant, right, So those are added to the process afterwards.
Speaker 2: And most of this well, it's based on his research
Speaker 2: specifically about vitamin B three nis in. So many cereals now,
Speaker 2: lots of basically poor people food. That was kind of
Speaker 2: where his avenue was at is that he's looked around.
Speaker 2: He saw everyone that was living in poverty, couldn't afford
Speaker 2: to eat eggs and bacon and sort of fresh food.
Speaker 2: A lot of them were resorting to grain based cereals
Speaker 2: because they were shelf stable that were cheaper, that would
Speaker 2: fill you up even if they didn't provide any nutrition,
Speaker 2: And that latter part of not providing any real nutrition
Speaker 2: was causing widespread issues across the board. And then he
Speaker 2: just realized, Hey, by fortifying these by giving people the
Speaker 2: vitamins that they're otherwise lacking because they're living in abject poverty,
Speaker 2: this will solve a lot of these issues. So, like
Speaker 2: the adrenochrome research and the research he had into niacin
Speaker 2: vitamin B three are almost hard to separate a certain point,
Speaker 2: no one really makes vitamin B three a taboo subject.
Speaker 2: Almost none of the other avenues of research got taboo
Speaker 2: except for his claims about adrenochrome.
Speaker 1: That is some wild shit. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: to ask you next.
Speaker 2: Well, you were mentioning too, like the miser lou and
Speaker 2: the adrenochrome movie. So I mean, I've got a thread
Speaker 2: on X that I've been working on it. It represents like
Speaker 2: four plus years of research. But I really do think
Speaker 2: that I can trace some of the lore that gets
Speaker 2: surrounded by all this, Like why is Miserly about torturing people?
Speaker 2: And like it's a horror movie essentially, it's like a
Speaker 2: psychedelic horror movie. So why is it that a gernochrome
Speaker 2: is linked to horror movies? And what is it about
Speaker 2: adrenochrome that adrenaline doesn't get the same treatments. Technically, if
Speaker 2: adrenochrome comes from adrenaline, then anything that you could do
Speaker 2: to have someone produce adrenaline should also be taboo.
Speaker 3: But it's not. Adrenaline has never been a taboo subject.
Speaker 2: And I think that a lot of this is how
Speaker 2: adrenochrome was introduced to the public.
Speaker 3: So I'll give.
Speaker 2: The quickest we can stop if you want to go
Speaker 2: into any of these, but I'll give my quick sort
Speaker 2: of chronological introduction of adrenochrome as this weird satanic drug
Speaker 2: to the masses. Doors of perception is nineteen fifty four
Speaker 2: is when Altus Huxley writes about it based on what
Speaker 2: he heard from Ozma Humphries. Then there's in nineteen fifty nine,
Speaker 2: there's this movie called The Tingler by Vincent Price, and
Speaker 2: the whole entire premise of the movie. This is the
Speaker 2: first time I believe that LSD was introduced to the
Speaker 2: public through a Hollywood movie. As the movie opens, he's
Speaker 2: reading a book and the book says something about like
Speaker 2: inducing fear through injecting LSD twenty five And the premise
Speaker 2: of that movie is that if you can induce such
Speaker 2: an extreme amount of fear in a human body, that
Speaker 2: fear will manifest into an actual physical manifestation of just
Speaker 2: pure fear. It looks like a monstrosity scorpion slug that
Speaker 2: grows out of the person's spine and can leave their
Speaker 2: body and just cause havoc. And this is a tingler
Speaker 2: because people would feel like a tingling sensation in their spine.
Speaker 2: And the idea was like, oh no, that's an actual demon,
Speaker 2: Like you've just summoned a demon into this this plane.
Speaker 3: This had nothing to do with adrenochrome. It had to
Speaker 3: do with LSD.
Speaker 2: But in nineteen fifty eight, the difference between LSD and
Speaker 2: mescaline and psilocybin andachrome might as well have just been like,
Speaker 2: you know, like a green or a blue lucky charm,
Speaker 2: marshmallow or something. Right, there were just sort of different
Speaker 2: forms of the same psychedelic experience. Not true, but that
Speaker 2: was one of the premises from there. Same year, there's
Speaker 2: a book called Naked Lunch that gets published by William S.
Speaker 2: Burrows about a doctor named doctor ben Way I believe,
Speaker 2: who was based on an actual multa researcher who did
Speaker 2: torture patients and gave them I believe, scopolamine, Bobo cap nine,
Speaker 2: like a whole bunch of different fear inducing drugs. So
Speaker 2: here's this theme, right, that psychedelcs are introduced and the
Speaker 2: first time that the public is made aware of them,
Speaker 2: they're all talking about relations to inducing these extreme amounts
Speaker 2: of fear beyond the human experience. Then we've got nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty two Clockwork Orange, and in Clockwork Orange a substance
Speaker 2: called drenchrome, which the writer of that actually got his
Speaker 2: inspiration directly from out as Highy. He also writes about
Speaker 2: them taking this drenchrome and getting you know, ultraviolent. This
Speaker 2: is if anyone's seen clock or Coorn's basically about a
Speaker 2: bunch of criminals that just go and recab it and
Speaker 2: beat people up and like do insane things out in
Speaker 2: the world. So this is probably the first instance of
Speaker 2: a dreanochrome being mentioned directly in relation to people being
Speaker 2: violent and acting crazy. Then you've got a short story
Speaker 2: in sixty seven called Blood of a Wig by a
Speaker 2: guy named Terry Southern, who also helped write some of
Speaker 2: Stanley Kubrick's films, one of them Doctor Strangelove, which mentions fluoride,
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories and stuff. So now you've got this like
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist angle and over the top aspect of like
Speaker 2: creating fear and generating demons in the real world, and
Speaker 2: then slowly then we.
Speaker 3: Get fear and loathing.
Speaker 2: Then we've got a book called The Winter Market, where
Speaker 2: again they're talking about stealing adrenochrome and using it for
Speaker 2: all these psychedelic purposes, all on the black market. And
Speaker 2: then it just keeps increasing from there, and I think
Speaker 2: that it conflates very easily with any sort of satanic
Speaker 2: or blood ritual. Like you mentioned, the Death Becomes Her,
Speaker 2: Death Becomes Her doesn't actually mention a drenochrome at any point.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mentioned any drugs. They just show this pink vial.
Speaker 2: But since that movie came out in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2: This is well, this is forty years after research on
Speaker 2: a drenochrome has been put out. And the very first
Speaker 2: time that scientifically Hoffer identifies as a drenochrome as a
Speaker 2: psychedelic was through something called pink adrenaline, pink adrenaline being
Speaker 2: an expired EpiPen, epinephrine being another name for adrenaline. And
Speaker 2: in World War Two, I believe they were finding and
Speaker 2: they were like, you'd be out in the field, right
Speaker 2: you don't have time to wait for a brand new,
Speaker 2: fresh batch of EpiPens to come in.
Speaker 3: If you need it, you need it now.
Speaker 2: So once they got to the end of the supplies,
Speaker 2: all the expired ones that looked a little bit discolored,
Speaker 2: they were still using them because they needed them. And
Speaker 2: soldiers started describing these weird hallucinations. They were having visual,
Speaker 2: auditory feeling weird, the same thing that I mentioned before
Speaker 2: in those human trials on adrenochrome. They're mentioning these exact
Speaker 2: same experiences. And that's where Haffer and Smith these are like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this sounds identical to the experience that
Speaker 2: we had when we tested adrenochrome directly. So they realized
Speaker 2: that pink adrenaline. These expired EpiPens was literally just aqueous adrenochrome.
Speaker 2: What color is that substance? And death becomes her it
Speaker 2: is a bright pink substance. So, I mean, there's not
Speaker 2: a direct connection between those two, but if anyone on
Speaker 2: that writing team was even somewhat familiar with adrenochrome, it
Speaker 2: would have made sense to make that think. But it's again,
Speaker 2: it's hard to separate real adrenochrome research from like blood
Speaker 2: magic and vampire novels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: stood out to me most recently was, was it like
Speaker 1: two or three years ago Bill Maher got really upset
Speaker 1: with the whole Jim Cavizl thing when he was talking
Speaker 1: about the child trafficking and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 1: think he actually mentioned Adrina chrome. But the thing with
Speaker 1: Bill Martin that pisses me off is deck he tells
Speaker 1: on himself all the time, Like he tries to tell
Speaker 1: these jokes and stuff, but we all know that he's
Speaker 1: telling the truth about a lot of stuff, and he's
Speaker 1: basically a hitman for the media. He tries to cover
Speaker 1: up stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: So I've got all the contacts on this because this
Speaker 2: was one of the more fascinating intersections of adrenochrome being
Speaker 2: mentioned in like popular media outside of movies. This is
Speaker 2: when it starts being discussed and sort of like a
Speaker 2: like a news cycle. So Jim Cavazil, he's at Clay
Speaker 2: Clark Health and Freedom Conference that took place in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: This was on a Friday, April sixth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: So if anyone wants to go and find this, if
Speaker 2: you search for those terms all together, you'll find this
Speaker 2: exact video. And he's basically live streaming to an audience
Speaker 2: of about five thousand people live and then there's also
Speaker 2: like a half million more people watching it online. Here's
Speaker 2: exactly what he says is quote, they're pulling kids out
Speaker 2: of the darkest recesses of hell. Says some other things,
Speaker 2: and then he makes the phrase the adrenochroming of children.
Speaker 2: I do like how he turned a noun into a verb.
Speaker 2: I don't think the word adrenochroming had ever existed before
Speaker 2: he said that out loud. I'm still not sure it's
Speaker 2: exactly a word. But now we've got this premise of
Speaker 2: harvesting adrenochrome from children, and then he goes on to
Speaker 2: loosely explain it, and he says, essentially, you have adrenaline
Speaker 2: in your body. When you're scared, you produce adrenalinine, and
Speaker 2: if a child knows he's going to die, his body
Speaker 2: will secrete adrenaline. Technically, those are all true statements, but
Speaker 2: there's never really a connection between And here's where the
Speaker 2: adrenochrome comes into play, and here's why torture is necessary.
Speaker 2: So you also produce adrenaline from things other than being
Speaker 2: tortured or scared. But this was the claim that he made,
Speaker 2: so he says that. And then on April twenty third,
Speaker 2: Bill Maher he comes out this episode thirteen, season nineteen,
Speaker 2: and he says new rule now that conservative Jim Cavazio
Speaker 2: and Linn Wood are sounding the alarm about adrenochrome, which
Speaker 2: is the belief that liberals literally drink the blood of
Speaker 2: terrified children for psychoactive effect. I've got one thing to say,
Speaker 2: don't knock get till you've tried it. It's really good.
Speaker 2: He kind of like jokes about it and talks about
Speaker 2: how it kicks in and like the hangover of it.
Speaker 2: But they're making jokes about it, and the way that
Speaker 2: he says, Oh, it's this, you know, it's this psychoactive
Speaker 2: drug that comes from terrified children. If you remove all
Speaker 2: the emotional language, Yeah, it is a psychoactive drug that
Speaker 2: is in blood. And it's a technicality, I guess it's
Speaker 2: an unnecessarily extra qualification of terrified children that are tortured
Speaker 2: that part. If you just remove that and just say
Speaker 2: adrenalized blood has a psychoactive substance in it. Yes, that
Speaker 2: is non conspiratorial. That it might be taboo, but it
Speaker 2: is not even something that can really be debated. But
Speaker 2: usually when these the bunkings are people making it silly,
Speaker 2: they have to include the fact that there's babies or
Speaker 2: there's children being terrorized as part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to mention that wasn't Bill Maher's production company
Speaker 1: called Kid Love Productions or something like that. He probably yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's sick.
Speaker 3: Shit. That's what this is.
Speaker 2: And I mean as a thought experiment, this is not
Speaker 2: me making any claims. I'm not even making subjective claims,
Speaker 2: but just in a socratic like thought experiment way. If
Speaker 2: you are already at the height of Hollywood, you've got
Speaker 2: more money and resources and time that you know what
Speaker 2: to do with. You've got connections to Hollywood, science, politics,
Speaker 2: just everything, like your rolodex is jam full and your
Speaker 2: bored one day, Like I assume Bill Maher probably as
Speaker 2: often as you know. I guess he's partnerless and childless,
Speaker 2: so he's just wondering what do I do today? Hey,
Speaker 2: I heard about this thing called a drenochrome. I wonder
Speaker 2: if anyone I know can procure them? What are the
Speaker 2: chances that you think that a they could procure it?
Speaker 2: Seems fairly likely that they could find it. But then
Speaker 2: even add that qualifier of like, oh but it has
Speaker 2: to come from a screaming baby. Like Even as like
Speaker 2: inefficient and impractical as that might seem, if there's somebody
Speaker 2: out there that's like, and you'll pay me how much
Speaker 2: for this? It does seem well within reason that someone
Speaker 2: could have procured this and tried it under the most.
Speaker 3: Crazy conspiracy theory terms.
Speaker 2: I would not pout it past anyone to have actually
Speaker 2: at least tried this at some point, just to see
Speaker 2: if there was anything to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely what I think is going on, for sure.
Speaker 1: But the more you think about something like this, the
Speaker 1: more incriminating, it gets and the more you start to
Speaker 1: realize that, yeah, this is actually happening, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there that you don't even know
Speaker 1: if they're jacked up on it or not when you
Speaker 1: see him, like artists and stuff. I've always kind of
Speaker 1: tried to not really point any fingers at anything that
Speaker 1: wasn't obvious when it comes to this. But if you
Speaker 1: even throw it back to like when they mentioned it
Speaker 1: on Doctor Phil, when that crazy lady is on Doctor
Speaker 1: Phil talking about they tortured her child or something. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not that real people don't experience it, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the issue with it, But on platforms like Doctor Phil,
Speaker 1: they kind of gaslight you a lot too. I've noticed that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if this is ever going to
Speaker 1: really you know, somebody's ever really going to come out
Speaker 1: in the public and say, hey, Adrena Chrome is really
Speaker 1: had some last night, you know.
Speaker 2: And the episode that you're talking about, the Doctor Phil episode,
Speaker 2: it was that was from twenty sixteen, and at the
Speaker 2: very end of this episode where the lady specifically, I
Speaker 2: mean this is a quote from the show that ladies
Speaker 2: think was Sherry, and she says quote. She's talking about
Speaker 2: her daughter that either ran away or was kidnapped. She
Speaker 2: claims that people contacted her on social media, taunting her,
Speaker 2: saying like, ha ha, we killed your daughter, we kidnapped her,
Speaker 2: we did all these things to her. This all the
Speaker 2: things that she claims. But here's the quote that she
Speaker 2: says on air on this Doctor philipisode. She says, I
Speaker 2: believe Jesse was tortured for the drug adrenochrome. Adrenochrome is
Speaker 2: a chemical that our body produces when we're extremely fearful
Speaker 2: or have a lot of distress. It gives you strength,
Speaker 2: it gives you vitality, and when you drink it, it
Speaker 2: gives you euphoria and power. The people that kill Jesse
Speaker 2: are harvesting it. So these are the claim and if
Speaker 2: we break these things down, which is fairly important. So
Speaker 2: she says that it's a chemical our body produces when
Speaker 2: we're fearful or have distress. Technically true, although the body
Speaker 2: does not produce adrenochrome in response, it's producing adrenaline. Your
Speaker 2: body uses that adrenaline and says, WHOA, we don't need
Speaker 2: this much.
Speaker 3: Let's not explode the heart.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and process some of this adrenaline in
Speaker 2: a way that the body doesn't have to react to it,
Speaker 2: so then it starts creating a drenochrome. Out of that,
Speaker 2: she also says it gives you strength and vitality. These
Speaker 2: are things that I don't believe are backed up anywhere.
Speaker 2: Even if you were to stretch doctor Abramhoffer's schizophrenia and
Speaker 2: adrenochrome hypothesis, it doesn't happen like within a minute of
Speaker 2: you ingesting it. It doesn't even happen within your lifetime
Speaker 2: of ingesting it. It would only happen through your progeny and
Speaker 2: through your other like bloodline. Then they potentially would reap
Speaker 2: some of these benefits, but only if you actually have
Speaker 2: like a NonStop extra adrenochrome in your system, not just
Speaker 2: a wild night out and you killed one baby. You
Speaker 2: don't get to live longer because of that one experience,
Speaker 2: Like it would have to be an ongoing thing, which
Speaker 2: maybe they do. And then the other thing she says
Speaker 2: is when you drink it, it gives you euphoria and power. Well,
Speaker 2: I do want to push back on a very important
Speaker 2: verb here of drink. From all the research I've found,
Speaker 2: it seems that a drenochrome is so unstable that sending
Speaker 2: it through your digestive system would pretty much have no effect.
Speaker 2: It would completely nullify it before it even got into
Speaker 2: your bloodstream at that point. The way that Abram Hoffer
Speaker 2: documented testing it was sublingually. They would get an aqueous
Speaker 2: solution of a drenochrome and they would spray it into
Speaker 2: their mouth and let it absorb under their tongue. There
Speaker 2: was also some intravenous where they injected it, but I
Speaker 2: don't think that anything beyond injection or taking it sublingually
Speaker 2: has had any real strong documented effect. In fact, the
Speaker 2: exact opposite. A lot of the cases where people have
Speaker 2: tried to smoke, snort, eat, even take a crystalline version
Speaker 2: of it, all of those seem to have zero effects.
Speaker 2: It almost renders it inert because of how unstable a
Speaker 2: dreaochrome is. So it has to be fresh and it
Speaker 2: has to be aqueous. So maybe you can conflate that
Speaker 2: to like you got to drink it straight out of
Speaker 2: a dead baby. I mean, technically, yeah, that's fresh and
Speaker 2: that's aqueous, but it's also not isolated, like you're talking
Speaker 2: the tiny tiny bits you know, per parts per million.
Speaker 2: If you're just going to drink it straight out of
Speaker 2: someone's bloodstream. And again, you don't drink it, you would
Speaker 2: sublingually put it in your mouth. So all of that aside,
Speaker 2: this is kind of where the lady on Doctor Phil says,
Speaker 2: and then Doctor Phil makes sure at the end of
Speaker 2: the episodes as the credits for scrolling. The last thing
Speaker 2: he says before the episode ends. He says, they consulted
Speaker 2: the police captain of Wanachi, Washington, which is where this
Speaker 2: lady was at, and he says, the police captain told us,
Speaker 2: we have never had a case involving the drug adrenochrome.
Speaker 2: We've never even heard of it until Doctor Phil producers
Speaker 2: brought it to our attention. And I guess the weasel
Speaker 2: implication here is that, oh, well, if the police captain
Speaker 2: in a small town in Washington's never heard of this
Speaker 2: drug that's only been studied from the thirties to the
Speaker 2: fifties until it came under the domain of mk Ultra,
Speaker 2: I guess that means that it's not real and this
Speaker 2: is all made up now and the same sentence, I
Speaker 2: will say that some of the things that Sherry is
Speaker 2: saying do seem completely made up. There's really no basis
Speaker 2: for any of the claims of strength, vitality, power, drinking.
Speaker 3: But euphoria. Yeah, absolutely, that's.
Speaker 2: Kind of what the original discovery of adrenochrome came from.
Speaker 2: It came from this weird hallucinogenic euphoric property that no
Speaker 2: one could explain that was coming out of these EpiPens.
Speaker 2: Why is epinephrine causing people reliably and consistently to hallucinate.
Speaker 3: That's where it all kind of came from.
Speaker 2: But I don't think there was ever a study, and
Speaker 2: maybe it was suppressed by himk Ultra, but no one
Speaker 2: was like, hey, I took this expired EpiPen and I
Speaker 2: lost twenty years. I can run faster, you know, I
Speaker 2: can breathe underwater, I can punch through walls, like none
Speaker 2: of that ever happened. A lot of the conspiracy tends
Speaker 2: to lean towards like supernatural properties, which is typically where
Speaker 2: it loses me a little bit. Like I'm not going
Speaker 2: to discount supernatural as a concept in general, but when
Speaker 2: it comes to trying to prove someone with objective repeatable
Speaker 2: conc stint box, supernatural tends to not fit into that
Speaker 2: sort of diagram.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, I think we've pretty much covered everything that
Speaker 1: we can on this topic. I has got one more
Speaker 1: question for you. What the hell does freemasonry have to
Speaker 1: do with any of this stuff? And why is it
Speaker 1: that everywhere you look you see freemasonry seems to have
Speaker 1: its hands in these kinds of things. Because I know
Speaker 1: people that they're Masons and they have no clue what's
Speaker 1: going on. And then I know other like maybe a
Speaker 1: handful of others that I will tell you, Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: seen some dark stuff. So it just appears to me.
Speaker 1: And I remember saying this to you on your podcast
Speaker 1: that freemasonry is like being in a hallway with so
Speaker 1: many doors, and like, depending on what your values in
Speaker 1: your character is capable of doing, they push you through
Speaker 1: one of those doors, you know, and nobody else seems
Speaker 1: to know what's going on. So that lends to the
Speaker 1: mystery of it and the confusion.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, my favorite analogy tends to be and it's evolving
Speaker 2: over time, but currently my favorite analogy is cub Scouts.
Speaker 2: Why does someone join the cub Scouts. Well, some of
Speaker 2: them want to learn how to tie notts and to
Speaker 2: be survivalists. Some of them want to make friends, some
Speaker 2: of them just need a babysitter because their parents aren't alone.
Speaker 2: So you've got like the incentive for networking, the incentive
Speaker 2: for building relationships with other people, the incentive for learning
Speaker 2: new abilities and skills that you wouldn't otherwise. And there's
Speaker 2: also some like fraternal secret society esque aspects of cub
Speaker 2: Scouts too, like they've got initiation rituals and they wear
Speaker 2: badges and they perform rituals even if it's not in
Speaker 2: like folks and dark rooms like these are all parts
Speaker 2: of it. And I guess boy Scouts too have very
Speaker 2: strong ties the Freemasonry, which I guess kind of checks
Speaker 2: out and makes sense. But there's all sorts of different
Speaker 2: reasons why you might join cub Scout. You could join
Speaker 2: cub Scouts and not care about tying and not ever.
Speaker 2: You might do it once to get the patch and
Speaker 2: never again because it doesn't interest you. You might not ever,
Speaker 2: you know, create a fire with your hands in the
Speaker 2: middle of a forest just because they taught you how
Speaker 2: to do that in cub Scouts. But there's also people
Speaker 2: people that go explicitly to learn those things, and I
Speaker 2: kind of relate that same thing the freemasonry, where there's
Speaker 2: a version of a Freemason that I call the meat
Speaker 2: loaf Mason, and like they just want to show up
Speaker 2: and hang out with their buds and eat some meat
Speaker 2: loaf of mashed potatoes after it's all over, because it's
Speaker 2: a social setting. There's some people, I guess, maybe like myself,
Speaker 2: that the attraction to freemasonry is that you get access
Speaker 2: to libraries and books that are otherwise not available to
Speaker 2: the public unless you've got a lot of money and
Speaker 2: a lot of time to hunt them down. So it's
Speaker 2: like having a extra special library card. You got people
Speaker 2: that want to join because they hear the police commissioner
Speaker 2: or the county comptroller is a member of this lodge,
Speaker 2: and if I could just schmooze up to them, then
Speaker 2: maybe I can somehow turn that into an advantage for me.
Speaker 2: All the different intentions, and I also strongly believe that
Speaker 2: it's impossible to prove intent. Even if someone admits or
Speaker 2: says they're doing something for a reason, you don't know
Speaker 2: that that's the real reason they're doing it. You can't
Speaker 2: really ever prove somebody's intent on anything, which is kind
Speaker 2: of the basis of our legal system. That's like the
Speaker 2: whole like is it premeditated or did you do it
Speaker 2: on an accident? Like I don't know. The guy's still dead,
Speaker 2: like he still shot him. Like does it matter if
Speaker 2: I planned it a week ahead or if I did
Speaker 2: it in the spur? It does matter, right, because intent
Speaker 2: has all this extra sort of like importance placed upon it.
Speaker 2: So let me answer your question of why does freemasonry
Speaker 2: even come into this in nineteen thirty four, the Scottish
Speaker 2: Right Freemasonry, specifically the Northern jurisdiction, because America is split
Speaker 2: between Northern and Southern versions of Scottish Right Freemasonry. Long story,
Speaker 2: but that the guy that is sitting on the Supreme Council,
Speaker 2: they have all this money and they're figuring out, what
Speaker 2: do we do with this money? What kind of initiative
Speaker 2: do we take to sort of put our name on
Speaker 2: the map here and make us look altruistic, And they
Speaker 2: just decide that concept of dementia prey coos. If we
Speaker 2: can solve that, or if we can at least do
Speaker 2: more research into why twenty year olds are skitzing out
Speaker 2: and now that family line dies because now they're going
Speaker 2: to have a partner that can't take care of kids.
Speaker 2: How do we fix this especially since affecting even rich people. Right,
Speaker 2: it's like, sure, the cheerio thing, maybe if you're poor
Speaker 2: you can't afford all the nutrients, but like enough money
Speaker 2: can get you out of that predicament. Here's something that
Speaker 2: money can't buy you out of. You can't buy your
Speaker 2: way out of your kid developing early onset dementia. So
Speaker 2: they decide to put together a fund to investigate specifically
Speaker 2: dementia precos in order to unlock the mysteries of the
Speaker 2: human brain, which makes sense kind of on brand for
Speaker 2: Freemason to be, like, I want to know how the
Speaker 2: mind works. So that's kind of their realm, right. So
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty four they decide that they're going to research
Speaker 2: dementia precox, and they do four different steps. First, they
Speaker 2: decide to set up this Dementia Precox Committee under the
Speaker 2: auspice of the National Committee for Mental Hygiene. Second, they
Speaker 2: decide that this committee is going to be comprised of
Speaker 2: outstanding men psychiatrists and allies and representatives from the Supreme Council,
Speaker 2: so it's like they're going to you know, staff it
Speaker 2: with their own ranks. Then they decide that they're going
Speaker 2: to find a psychiatrist that'll be basically the field director
Speaker 2: for the entire country that will sort of guide all
Speaker 2: of this research. And then finally they will annually get
Speaker 2: together and vote on grants to see, okay, where does
Speaker 2: the money this year go in terms of this.
Speaker 3: Dementia precox research.
Speaker 2: Through this funding, they end up giving money to doctor
Speaker 2: Abram Hoffer and Smithy's who then start looking into this
Speaker 2: adrenochrome subject. So that's that's the direct connection that there
Speaker 2: would be no adrenochrome research at least not publicly, and
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been funded. If it weren't for the
Speaker 2: Scottish Roite thirty third degree Supreme Council Northern Gertion, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't exist at all. So this is a very direct
Speaker 2: provable easy to show. In fact, if you look at
Speaker 2: any adrenochrome papers from the nineteen thirties to the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 2: on the very bottom of the front page of every
Speaker 2: one of these reports it says special thanks to the
Speaker 2: Scottish Rite Supreme Council thirty three NJ because that's where
Speaker 2: the money was coming from. So there's the direct connection.
Speaker 2: It's really not even a subject of conspiracy or sort
Speaker 2: of like subjective assumptions like this is all well documented proven.
Speaker 2: No one debates this or even sort of claims that
Speaker 2: it's not the case unless you're just a random social
Speaker 2: media YouTuber or facebooker that like goes through like what's
Speaker 2: this a dreader chroman freemasonry I call bs, and then
Speaker 2: they move on with their their day without actually looking
Speaker 2: into the factual basis on all this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, So tell everybody where they can find you, Paranoid.
Speaker 3: American dot com.
Speaker 2: You might not know it from our talk, but I
Speaker 2: just published comic books. I worked at Disney for ten years,
Speaker 2: and I decided, Hey, if I can do all this
Speaker 2: for Mickey and Goofy, why can't I make an MK
Speaker 2: ultra comic book or cartoon using all the same things
Speaker 2: that I know here.
Speaker 3: So I did that. I started it in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: So you can find me there at Paranoidamerican dot com,
Speaker 2: also on pretty much any social media network at Paranoid
Speaker 2: American and on x which is the only other place
Speaker 2: other than Rumble that I can post any of this
Speaker 2: Adrinachrume stuff without getting taken down.
Speaker 3: And I'm there.
Speaker 2: It's just Paranoid America. No end at the end because
Speaker 2: it didn't fit well.
Speaker 1: Thanks for being on a Boundless Authenticity podcast. Thank you,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it all right,