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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys are your favorites, so like to say subscribe

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<v Speaker 2>and rade it five.

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<v Speaker 1>Stary and.

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<v Speaker 3>Greatest on us today, listening watching lim always keep its watching.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James booble Fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Bobs, what's happening Man?

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<v Speaker 4>How much? How's it going?

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<v Speaker 2>It's going all right. Too busy as usual, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of busy things, you know, keep me out of trouble,

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose. So we got a great episode today with

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<v Speaker 2>two guests, so we don't have spend too long on

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<v Speaker 2>introductions here, but I do have a few things to

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<v Speaker 2>catch up with, just a few very very brief things.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one, you know it's graduation season. I'm obviously a

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<v Speaker 2>huge advocate of education in any form, whether it's at

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<v Speaker 2>school or trade school or anything like that. As long

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<v Speaker 2>as you're bettering yourself and reading books, you don't you

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<v Speaker 2>have to do it in school. You have to just

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<v Speaker 2>read books and read magazines and read whatever you can

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<v Speaker 2>educate yourself. And so I want to give a big

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<v Speaker 2>thumbs up to all the graduates right now because I

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<v Speaker 2>know this is the time of year but one in

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<v Speaker 2>particular wrote me a nice letter. A guy named Zach.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a listener, Zach Powers. He's down in Phloemouth in

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<v Speaker 2>Oregon here, and he grew up watching us bobes. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>he came up, he came to the Bigfoot Museum. He

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<v Speaker 2>grew up on finding Bigfoot. And of course we're old

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<v Speaker 2>men now, so all the kids who grew up on

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<v Speaker 2>finding Bigfoot are now graduating. But anyway, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>give a congratulations to Zach Powers and all the other

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<v Speaker 2>graduates out there. Keep going, keep going. Never stop learning.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't have to be in school. Just never ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 2>ever stop learning, and you'll live a very, very fulfilled

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<v Speaker 2>life in my opinion. There there had a visitor at

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<v Speaker 2>the museum this week, the lovely and talented Monique Powell

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<v Speaker 2>from Save Ferris at SKA Ben in southern California. You

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<v Speaker 2>remember Mo, don't you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she came by. She was She did a gig

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<v Speaker 2>at the Hawthorne Theater this past week, and so she

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<v Speaker 2>came by the shop. And of course I love me

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<v Speaker 2>some Mo. You know, we've been good, good, good friends

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<v Speaker 2>for decades. She was actually I was in her first band,

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<v Speaker 2>the band remembered Larry, did you ever? I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even know you when I was playing in Larry though.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty good band though, if you asked me. Kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Zappa esque and stuff. Yeah, So Monique came by the shop.

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<v Speaker 2>So she, uh, she enjoyed herself and had a great show.

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<v Speaker 5>Were you guys seeing Larry off of Three's company, Larry?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was just a beneficial side effect. Actually, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah I was. We actually named it after a drummer

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<v Speaker 2>in a previous band, a guy named Lawrence. We just

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<v Speaker 2>love the guy, so we named the band after him.

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<v Speaker 2>He became a professional musician out in Texas somewhere if

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<v Speaker 2>I remember right. Yeah, but uh, Monique is a killer

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<v Speaker 2>vocalist trained in jazz and opera and all this other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course she does like a punk ska band

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<v Speaker 2>and she and she is the centerpiece. You know, she's

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<v Speaker 2>got pipes, you know, for years, an enormous talent. And

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<v Speaker 2>then two other things, very very briefly, Number one members,

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<v Speaker 2>this is only a member thing. Darby or Cut is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be speaking at the museum. I will be

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<v Speaker 2>posting something in the member section, and only members of

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<v Speaker 2>the museum and Bigfoot and beyond are going to be invited.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're not a member, maybe you want to

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<v Speaker 2>become a member. It's a five dollars a month thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you get special invites to things like Darby or

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<v Speaker 2>cut speaking at the North American Bigfoot Center. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, there will also be a digital sort of

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<v Speaker 2>streaming version of that you can watch from anywhere in

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<v Speaker 2>the country if you're a world for that matter, as

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<v Speaker 2>long as you have internet. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>learn more about that, go to that link that the

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<v Speaker 2>levely and talented Matt prove It will post below about

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a member. But you also get an extra episode

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<v Speaker 2>every single week, and you also get this very episode

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening to right now with zero commercials, no commercials

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<v Speaker 2>at all. So if that's worth five bucks a month

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<v Speaker 2>for you, check it out. Maybe you want to become

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<v Speaker 2>a member. It's four extra hours of content, cool stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that we give to you, like invitations to special events

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<v Speaker 2>like this and other cool things. And then finally, this

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<v Speaker 2>coming weekend, I am doing a job in Everett, Washington

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<v Speaker 2>at the historic Everett Theater. You may have heard of

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<v Speaker 2>a little radio show called Coast to Coast AM. It

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<v Speaker 2>used to be an art bell thing now. George Norri

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the hosts that does it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>George, of course, is doing a live version of his podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of podcasts do that. We don't we live

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<v Speaker 2>in area, different areas and stuff, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts sort of and radio shows are doing that now,

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<v Speaker 2>and George Norri is doing one next weekend at the

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<v Speaker 2>historic Everett Theater in Everett, Washington, right outside of Seattle's

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<v Speaker 2>like a suburb of Seattle or something, if I remember right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm on the bill. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>come watch a live radio show and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of the guests on there, come on down.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I don't know what time it starts,

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<v Speaker 2>but we are going to post that in the show

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<v Speaker 2>notes below, as the lovely and talented Matt Pruitt does

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<v Speaker 2>every single week for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's Saturday, June the twenty eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct, Yeah, Saturday June to twenty eighth. There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are all the announcements. Thank you for tolerating me

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<v Speaker 2>doing all that, and but let's get into the real

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<v Speaker 2>meat of the situation here. We have two guests on

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<v Speaker 2>the line today, well, unless you have something, Bobo, anything

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<v Speaker 2>real fast.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to hear these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I thought me too. So let's hop into that.

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<v Speaker 2>We have two guests, two good friends of ours, both

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<v Speaker 2>of which have been on the podcast before but separately

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<v Speaker 2>and individually, and now they've come to tag team us.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's gonna be Mike Mays and Daryl Collier on

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<v Speaker 2>one team and Cliff and Bobo on the other. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like Andre the Giant and hul Kogan on

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<v Speaker 2>Aatana team together. And of course Matt Pru will be

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<v Speaker 2>the referee. So welcome everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to get a kill.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, Claubert, Daryl, how you doing, Mike, how you

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<v Speaker 2>doing today?

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<v Speaker 6>Doing great? Thank you for having me doing great here,

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<v Speaker 6>Great to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks thanks for coming to board you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>About time we had you back, both of you actually,

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about a little bit about what we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about last time. We'll still start with Mike. Hey, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>how are your books doing.

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<v Speaker 6>They're doing fine, you know, the existing ones. You know

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<v Speaker 6>that you never sell as many going forward as you

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<v Speaker 6>do the first year or two that they're out, but

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<v Speaker 6>they continue to have some legs and do well and

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<v Speaker 6>working on a new one as we speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, what are you working on?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 6>I guess you guys know. I did a blog for

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<v Speaker 6>many years called the Texas Scripted Hunter, and the reason

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<v Speaker 6>I did that was because I have, you know, a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of interests. Bigfoot is obviously way up there in

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<v Speaker 6>a priority interest, but you know, I'm interested in a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of different things, and so as a history teacher,

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<v Speaker 6>I've heard a lot of really great legends, myths, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>folklore from the state of Texas and all across the country.

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<v Speaker 6>And so I'm doing a book. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 6>titled I Can Hand Monsters, and it's all about these

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<v Speaker 6>myths and legends, these lesser known cryptids and animals that

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<v Speaker 6>are rumored to be out there that people are just

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<v Speaker 6>not nearly as familiar with once you get outside the

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<v Speaker 6>Holy Trinity of the Yetti, Bigfoot and the Lockness Monster. Uh,

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<v Speaker 6>these are not as well known. A lot of them

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<v Speaker 6>are more regional in nature, but they're just fantastic stories.

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<v Speaker 6>And going to try to call some attention to those.

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<v Speaker 6>Talk about dog Brown, No, that's that's a little too mainstream.

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<v Speaker 4>I just got to say, that's really great that not

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<v Speaker 4>as dog Broun.

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<v Speaker 2>You think it's I'm disappointed personally.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I have other thoughts about it, but but yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I really tried to zero in on things that have

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<v Speaker 6>been touched on very little, if at all, by others,

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<v Speaker 6>that people might not have heard of at all before.

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<v Speaker 2>Well give us an example, like, is this some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like three eyed snellygaster thing or what do you?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you what? Were some of the highlights as

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<v Speaker 2>far as cryptids go in this new book.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Well, Darryl and I just got back from New Mexico,

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<v Speaker 6>and one of the stories has to do with an

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<v Speaker 6>alleged turtle giant turtle monster that lives at Bottomless Lake

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<v Speaker 6>State Park. There's a series of sinkhole lakes there, and

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<v Speaker 6>there's all kinds of stories about that. There's most people

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<v Speaker 6>haven't heard much about that. The Letice is a legend

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<v Speaker 6>from the Bayou Country of Louisiana. There's going to be

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<v Speaker 6>a chapter on something called the Steccini.

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<v Speaker 4>What are they?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the Stecchini is kind of an owl demon supposedly,

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<v Speaker 6>so that could, I guess, sort of fall under the

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<v Speaker 6>Mothman type umbrella. The Letish is sort of your typical

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<v Speaker 6>humanoid type swamp monster. I do wonder openly in that

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<v Speaker 6>essay whether or not it could not be connected to

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<v Speaker 6>the Sasquatch mystery, as a lot of times these things

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<v Speaker 6>are described as shambling around on two feet covered in moss. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe the moss is really hair, you know, that kind

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<v Speaker 6>of thing. I try to offer some possible explanations for

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of these, Saint John's River Monster, the Grunge

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<v Speaker 6>road Monster of New Orleans, the melon heads in Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 6>the Alba Twitch, which is kind of a mini Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 6>from Pennsylvania, and stuff like that. Just stuff that maybe

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<v Speaker 6>regionally people are pretty familiar with, but you know, someone

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<v Speaker 6>in your neck of the woods might not be familiar

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<v Speaker 6>with a legend or a river or lake monster from

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<v Speaker 6>Well, that's encouraging to me because that's kind of the idea,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, and that's where the title you know, Secondhand

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<v Speaker 6>Monsters comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's worth mentioning too that, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>case we didn't say it earlier, that Mike's two books.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them is called shadow Cats The Black Panthers

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<v Speaker 1>of North America, and the other one, for squatch fans

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<v Speaker 1>is Valley of the Apes The Search for Sasquatching Area X,

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<v Speaker 1>which I've seen make a lot of people's like top five,

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<v Speaker 1>loving that book. And so I think we did an

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<v Speaker 1>episode on each of those books. But this audience for

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<v Speaker 1>sure should check both of those out. They're both available

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<v Speaker 1>on Amazon, and I will put the links to those

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 4>They're great, They're really good books.

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<v Speaker 6>I appreciate that, guys. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just last week I picked up another black cat story.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that I collect them, but they seem to come

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<v Speaker 2>to me anyway, from our friend Todd down in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bluff Creek area, he saw a black you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably a melanistic mountain lion or whatever, but down in

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<v Speaker 2>sasquatches I've and of course what a disappointment that happened

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<v Speaker 2>to me too. We're out there looking for sasquatches and

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<v Speaker 2>we see a black cat. What a bummer. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>start looking for black cats. Maybe I'll see a bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a very detailed black cat siding story from

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<v Speaker 1>the link to Mike's book on Amazon, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the book on that phenomenon. You should read it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm still singing the praises, preaching the word and

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<v Speaker 1>sending the links.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you get with the reports of black cats after

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<v Speaker 4>gut it out?

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<v Speaker 6>Or not as much as as I originally did when

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<v Speaker 6>various topics, and then one day I came across a

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<v Speaker 6>report in the newspaper that someone in the of all places, Plano, Texas,

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<v Speaker 6>which is a suburb to the northeast of Dallas, had

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<v Speaker 6>seen a big black panther they called it, and it

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<v Speaker 6>had crossed this turnpike front of you know, probably dozens

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<v Speaker 6>of people, But this is who contacted me.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is the story I saw.

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<v Speaker 6>So I just wrote it up and basically stated that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, these long tailed black cats black panthers as

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<v Speaker 6>they're usually called, are not supposed to exist. They're no

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<v Speaker 6>more real to the scientific community than the sasquatch is.

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<v Speaker 6>And that got some people really riled up. It's a

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<v Speaker 6>funny phenomenon that people who will laugh in your face

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<v Speaker 6>about a sasquatch sighting will fight you if you try

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<v Speaker 6>to tell them that a black panther isn't real. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>but there's no such species, and the black cats we

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<v Speaker 6>see on TV and in the movies are melanistic leopards

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<v Speaker 6>ninety nine percent of the time. Jaguars can also be

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<v Speaker 6>melanistic like that, and that's really about it as far

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<v Speaker 6>as cats that might be over here. The only reason

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<v Speaker 6>we have leopards, of course, is zoos and the exotic

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<v Speaker 6>pet trade. But mountain lions are not supposed to have

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<v Speaker 6>the genetics to be melanistic, and so scientists kind of

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<v Speaker 4>It's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 5>On a side note is that they just announced there's

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<v Speaker 6>That's really cool. I'm hoping that one of them's a

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<v Speaker 6>female because that's really the that'll be the key as

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<v Speaker 6>to whether they make a comeback in the lower forty eight.

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<v Speaker 6>Because males will venture far and wide trying to establish

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<v Speaker 6>their own territories, start their own families and so forth.

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<v Speaker 6>Females stay much closer to home. So if they do

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<v Speaker 6>of the actual comeback. And to my knowledge, that hasn't

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<v Speaker 6>happened yet. They've all been males, but I'm hopeful that

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<v Speaker 6>one of them will turn out to be a female.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

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<v Speaker 2>and Bow. We'll be right back after these messages. So

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<v Speaker 2>three to six months doesn't seem like a long time

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<v Speaker 2>right in bigfoot Land. It's not very long because we've

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<v Speaker 2>been looking for sasquatches for decades and decades and decades.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you think about what can happen in three

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<v Speaker 2>go squatching squad, of course, of course, And how much

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<v Speaker 2>do you think is going to get done during that time.

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<v Speaker 2>In squatching, you're going to see one in six months,

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<v Speaker 2>probably not, but in three to six months. What you

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Darryl, you're back there somewhere as well. What have

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<v Speaker 2>you been up to lately? What's it's been like a

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<v Speaker 2>year or two two years maybe since you've been on

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. My sense of time is so elastic.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. But you've been out the wood's probably

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch since then.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes I have. But you know, I'm just sitting here

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<v Speaker 4>listening to this, enjoying this conversation. This is a fan

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like I'm in my truck cruising down the road,

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<v Speaker 4>just listening to another episode of Taking Me On with

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<v Speaker 4>a great guests and the great hosts and interesting discussion.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, you know, just I've retired almost a year

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<v Speaker 4>and a half ago from my daytime job. And don't

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<v Speaker 4>let anybody full Your retirement is just it's it's the

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<v Speaker 4>best thing. It's like it's like reliving your childhood but

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<v Speaker 4>you but you have all the experience and the wisdom

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<v Speaker 4>that comes with the older age. And so just I'm

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<v Speaker 4>having the time of my life, you know. I just

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<v Speaker 4>I'm fully engaged. I'm never bored. I have I have

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<v Speaker 4>so many things that keep me busy, you know, in

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<v Speaker 4>addition to the continued search for the sasquatch to document

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<v Speaker 4>that as a legitimate species, and I'm engaged in writing

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<v Speaker 4>papers and doing lectures and playing music and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>taking care of my four acre place. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>life is great, man.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth pointing out, since Cliff was singing the praises

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<v Speaker 1>of education and praising graduates, that you yourself recently graduated.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I completed my It took me long enough, but

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<v Speaker 4>I finally completed my master's degree in history. So you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I have a master's degree now in history from sam

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<v Speaker 4>Houston State University, and had some papers. Had one page

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<v Speaker 4>published in twenty twenty two, got another that's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be published in the fall in the very prominent journal

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<v Speaker 4>called The Historian, a paper about slave rebellions. And I've

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<v Speaker 4>got another right now under peer review on the early

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<v Speaker 4>Ottoman Empire. So you know, like I said, I stay busy,

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<v Speaker 4>and back before this, I was working on putting together

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<v Speaker 4>a lecture. Good times. Man. Just love the like Cliff says,

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<v Speaker 4>I just love, you know, constantly just enriching my brain

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<v Speaker 4>and just trying to be the best I can be,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, spirit, mind and body sort of thing. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've known Darryl and Mike for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of years now, I guess it's been about eight or

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<v Speaker 1>nine years, and yeah, nine years now, and one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that drew me there is they're both perpetual students. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only is Derrel recently graduate, Mike is an educator.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we've touched on that before, Cliff

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<v Speaker 1>being a former educator, and I think that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>our uniting qualities between all of us here, is we're

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<v Speaker 1>all sort of perpetual students. One of the things we

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<v Speaker 1>end up discussing a lot is what are you reading lately?

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<v Speaker 1>And reading recommendations? And when I was writing the book,

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<v Speaker 1>I reached out to Mike a whole lot and Daryl

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot. You know, Mike obviously having authored books,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a really great resource for me and

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<v Speaker 1>help me a lot with guidance and things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>But spend a lot of time with these guys in

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<v Speaker 1>the field. They're in Area X and during my seven

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<v Speaker 1>years with the NAWAC, which they were part of for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of years. But we've continued that trend. Thankfully.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to bow out of a couple of trips

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<v Speaker 1>recently for helping out with family issues, but the search

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<v Speaker 1>continues and I try to get out with these guys

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<v Speaker 1>as much as possible. I've learned so much from them,

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<v Speaker 1>and we always have a blast out in the field.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, I think we there's equal amounts adventure

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<v Speaker 1>and learning and laughter, which is my three biggest priorities.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it's such a rejuvenation, just a regeneration of I know,

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<v Speaker 4>of my spirit anytime anytime I get out in the wilderness,

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<v Speaker 4>and particularly when I can go out with you know,

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<v Speaker 4>with Mikey and Maddie or they're just like brothers or

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<v Speaker 4>like to talk. They're like my baby brothers, additional baby brothers,

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<v Speaker 4>and so it's just just you know, have a great

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<v Speaker 4>time with them. But I've also you know, these guys

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<v Speaker 4>rubbed off on me because I just I just finished

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<v Speaker 4>a book, a fiction. I never thought I would write

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<v Speaker 4>any fiction whatsoever in my life, but I just finished

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<v Speaker 4>a children's middle graders book. It's a fantasy book, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it does incorporate the Sasquatch into it pretty prominently. And

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<v Speaker 4>I've sent that out to a number of publishers and

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<v Speaker 4>I've had some nibbles and working to get that published,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, hopefully somebody will bite on that and

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<v Speaker 4>take that, and if not, then I will go the

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<v Speaker 4>self publishing route. But yeah, like I said, I've got

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<v Speaker 4>plenty to keep me busy. Mikey and I just had

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<v Speaker 4>a great trip out to New Mexico, the heat and

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<v Speaker 4>National Forest, which is every bit as remote as people

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<v Speaker 4>may have heard. It's just it was. It was wonderful.

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<v Speaker 4>We saw Mikey. Would we see one person in six

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<v Speaker 4>seven days at our camp site? Did we see anybody

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<v Speaker 4>at camp?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we didn't actually see anybody come by the campsite.

422
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<v Speaker 6>We were out on a hike and we saw one guy,

423
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<v Speaker 6>but that was probably a mile and a half from

424
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<v Speaker 6>our campsite.

425
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<v Speaker 4>We saw.

426
00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.880
<v Speaker 6>We didn't see another human being. It was as it

427
00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:16.079
<v Speaker 6>was as if we had a mountain to ourselves. It

428
00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:20.640
<v Speaker 6>was just glorious. Man, it was so great. And we

429
00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:22.880
<v Speaker 6>didn't see the amount of wildlife we'd hoped to see.

430
00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:26.160
<v Speaker 6>We saw a lot of sign but the stuff is

431
00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.359
<v Speaker 6>out there. It's We were actually following up on a

432
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<v Speaker 6>siding of one of the guests you've had on this show,

433
00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:39.160
<v Speaker 6>and that was mister Aguilara's siding, and we managed to

434
00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:44.559
<v Speaker 6>ultimately find the siding location. And not that we ever

435
00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:48.039
<v Speaker 6>doubted anything the gentleman said, but we were able to

436
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<v Speaker 6>corroborate pretty much everything he said to you guys on

437
00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:54.880
<v Speaker 6>the show. Found the siding location. Everything was as he said.

438
00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:57.319
<v Speaker 6>I think the only thing he might have undersold a

439
00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:01.960
<v Speaker 6>little bit is how difficult it was to get to

440
00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:05.359
<v Speaker 6>that location where he actually saw the animal. It was.

441
00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:09.119
<v Speaker 6>It was quite an an odyssey, to say the least.

442
00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:12.759
<v Speaker 6>It took us, what, Darryl, was it the fourth day

443
00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:13.799
<v Speaker 6>we finally found it.

444
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the fourth day. And you know, we had intended

445
00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:19.559
<v Speaker 4>to actually go to that site and make camp right there,

446
00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:23.119
<v Speaker 4>very very close to it, but just we had some

447
00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.039
<v Speaker 4>we had some difficulties on the chloride trail I had.

448
00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.960
<v Speaker 4>I had a truck tint a top or tent and

449
00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:35.359
<v Speaker 4>the rack. The trail was so rough when we're on

450
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<v Speaker 4>it for about four hours. Just like he said, it

451
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<v Speaker 4>took us a while, and it just beat the heck

452
00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:43.240
<v Speaker 4>out of my rack. It snapped the rack, and it

453
00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:45.960
<v Speaker 4>was not a cheap rack, but it just eventually just

454
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:51.119
<v Speaker 4>beat it to the whole tent collapsed and started bashing

455
00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:53.440
<v Speaker 4>against my back windshields. So we had to we had

456
00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.200
<v Speaker 4>to make a camp away from the site, and then

457
00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:58.599
<v Speaker 4>we finally made our way over to it several days later.

458
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<v Speaker 4>But I think it may be more difficult now, Mikey,

459
00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:06.000
<v Speaker 4>because we found that I think since he went there,

460
00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:10.279
<v Speaker 4>since his siding, I think part of the the egress

461
00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:12.680
<v Speaker 4>route has been shut down by one of the private

462
00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:15.319
<v Speaker 4>landowners out there. You can't get through those gates. Now

463
00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:17.079
<v Speaker 4>you have to go you have to turn Amund and

464
00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:20.160
<v Speaker 4>go all the way back out. And so that was

465
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:23.920
<v Speaker 4>that added to the difficulty. But one thing we found

466
00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:26.519
<v Speaker 4>Cliff and Bobo is that there are a number of

467
00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:31.119
<v Speaker 4>stations around there that have salt licks and molasses barrels.

468
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:36.440
<v Speaker 4>And where he saw this thing is let not even

469
00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.519
<v Speaker 4>it may be three hundred meters from where he saw

470
00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:42.200
<v Speaker 4>this thing. There's a station there of molasses and a

471
00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:44.839
<v Speaker 4>salt lick. And then you go another quarter not even

472
00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:47.440
<v Speaker 4>quarter mile, maybe two tenths of a mile, there's another station.

473
00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:49.759
<v Speaker 4>Then you go a little bit further there's another station.

474
00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.759
<v Speaker 4>So there's maybe a half dozen of those stations around there.

475
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:54.480
<v Speaker 5>Did you guys, did you guys have to talk to

476
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:56.160
<v Speaker 5>any of the name because I looked at that area

477
00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.119
<v Speaker 5>pretty extensively on Google Earth, did you talk to you

478
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:00.519
<v Speaker 5>those ranches that were nearby?

479
00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.559
<v Speaker 1>And just for the listeners real quick, the case we're

480
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:05.759
<v Speaker 1>talking about was the episode that we titled Face to

481
00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Face in the HeLa Mountains where the gentleman Irving and

482
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.759
<v Speaker 1>his son saw the sasquatch at close range, like right

483
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:14.440
<v Speaker 1>next to their vehicle on the road. I recently re

484
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.599
<v Speaker 1>released that as a classic episode on May thirtieth, so

485
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:19.440
<v Speaker 1>go back and listen if you haven't heard that yet.

486
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:25.440
<v Speaker 6>We did speak to a rancher. It was a lady

487
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.039
<v Speaker 6>we came across. She had her two kids with her.

488
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:31.680
<v Speaker 6>She was about to move some cows from one pasture

489
00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:35.759
<v Speaker 6>to another. And as far as she was very friendly.

490
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:39.319
<v Speaker 6>She turns out she was from Texas, a town that's

491
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:42.839
<v Speaker 6>probably an hour from where I live in Temple.

492
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:45.759
<v Speaker 2>And you know, she was great.

493
00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:47.079
<v Speaker 4>She visited with us.

494
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:52.279
<v Speaker 6>She had not been there very long, I think, she said, Darryl,

495
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.519
<v Speaker 6>correct me if I'm wrong, only about six months maybe, Yeah,

496
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:57.279
<v Speaker 6>that's right.

497
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Yeah, that's right. She was very friendly.

498
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:01.599
<v Speaker 6>Though, Yeah, and so she had not heard of any

499
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:06.359
<v Speaker 6>of the sighting. She had not heard of any anyone

500
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.960
<v Speaker 6>seen anything along the lines of a sasquatch out there.

501
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.440
<v Speaker 6>But she did admit to having not been there very long.

502
00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:16.200
<v Speaker 6>She didn't seem to dismiss it out of hand or anything.

503
00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:18.759
<v Speaker 6>She just was very matter of fact. No, I haven't

504
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.279
<v Speaker 6>heard anything like that, but added, I haven't been here

505
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:27.000
<v Speaker 6>very long. She did give us kind of a warning

506
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.000
<v Speaker 6>as far as one of the ranchers in the area

507
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.920
<v Speaker 6>where which we are pretty sure this is one of

508
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:39.279
<v Speaker 6>the gates that the gentleman when he left the area

509
00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:43.079
<v Speaker 6>after seeing this sasquatch, that he went through gates and

510
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:49.279
<v Speaker 6>onto this gentleman's property. And we're a guessing. We feel

511
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 6>like we found those gates, but they're now chained up

512
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 6>and locked up. But she warned us he was not

513
00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.839
<v Speaker 6>a guy that you wanted to upset and be caught

514
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:04.039
<v Speaker 6>out on his property without permission. It was very yellowstone

515
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:07.680
<v Speaker 6>like kind of stuff, you know, And so you know,

516
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.240
<v Speaker 6>she gave us some nice heads up on that, and

517
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:16.440
<v Speaker 6>we're pretty sure that he exited those gates and came

518
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 6>out on that property. And we wondered and discussed if

519
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:25.319
<v Speaker 6>maybe there had been some others after hearing the episode

520
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:28.240
<v Speaker 6>that went out that way and maybe repeated his route,

521
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:32.319
<v Speaker 6>and maybe this gentleman, this rancher got tired of people

522
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.799
<v Speaker 6>coming to his property and that's why those gates are

523
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:35.880
<v Speaker 6>all chained up now.

524
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:38.799
<v Speaker 7>Oh, but that's a pretty good guess because the money

525
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:40.920
<v Speaker 7>maker was promoting that, you know, for people to get

526
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.079
<v Speaker 7>out there, and it was all over the BFRO website

527
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Speaker 7>and our podcast, and it was on other podcast.

528
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure some people got out there. Guys. We sort

529
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.920
<v Speaker 4>of made an assessment of the area in terms of

530
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.079
<v Speaker 4>habitat factor for the Sasquatch, and so while there are

531
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 4>some really really good things going for the area, there's

532
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.880
<v Speaker 4>maybe a couple of things that really aren't to its favor.

533
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.119
<v Speaker 4>But we don't really have any doubt that the witness

534
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:07.920
<v Speaker 4>saw what he says he saw. We have We really

535
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.839
<v Speaker 4>don't have any doubt about that whatsoever. But it's very

536
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 4>very dry. Even so we were there, we were not

537
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 4>at the site. We were about ten miles as the

538
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.400
<v Speaker 4>Sasquatch walks from the site. That's just based on circumstances.

539
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:23.960
<v Speaker 4>It's where we had to make our camp. But we,

540
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.200
<v Speaker 4>like I said, like we said, we managed to get

541
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 4>over there to the site and it's not really much

542
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.039
<v Speaker 4>different from where we were. It's a little bit lower

543
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 4>in elevation, but the area is extremely dry, and so

544
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:39.079
<v Speaker 4>it sort of works outside the normal areas where we

545
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:43.200
<v Speaker 4>think that the Sasquatch, you know, might reside. But but

546
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:48.319
<v Speaker 4>there's there are a very few people and it's extremely remote.

547
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.640
<v Speaker 4>We did see we did find abundant sign of wadoff.

548
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:53.880
<v Speaker 4>We found black bear scat just down from our camp.

549
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:57.319
<v Speaker 4>We found mountain lion tracks about a half mile from

550
00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 4>our camp. We found kywity tracks. We saw two Mexican

551
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 4>gray wolves. We saw plenty of mule deer. We saw

552
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.400
<v Speaker 4>plenty of elk, We saw plenty of pronghorn. We saw

553
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.359
<v Speaker 4>jack rabbits, we saw gray squirrels, ground squirrels, tons of

554
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 4>different bird species. So it's really robust in terms of wildlife.

555
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:20.000
<v Speaker 4>But it's you know, it's extremely dry, but all those

556
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:22.960
<v Speaker 4>all those animals seem to seem to do really well there,

557
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.599
<v Speaker 4>you know. But it's a wonderful place. I mean it's

558
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.720
<v Speaker 4>just in the sky at night where we were eight

559
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:32.119
<v Speaker 4>thousand feet up, it's just the most beautiful sky I've

560
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:34.599
<v Speaker 4>ever seen. We saw the International Space Station go over twice,

561
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.480
<v Speaker 4>which is which is really cool that man would have

562
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 4>vivid night sky, just beautiful love New Mexico.

563
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a wonderful area. And you know, that dry,

564
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:46.599
<v Speaker 2>the dry conditions like that were sasquatches are found. In

565
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.039
<v Speaker 2>some ways, it makes it easier to find the sasquatches.

566
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.000
<v Speaker 2>We rent into the same situation when we did the

567
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:55.759
<v Speaker 2>on Finding Bigfoot when we filmed in South Dakota. We're

568
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>on the Pine Ridge Reservation and gosh ba, but what

569
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:00.680
<v Speaker 2>was it like one hundred and ten degrees day or something.

570
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:05.079
<v Speaker 2>It was so ridiculous, it was terrible. It was whatever

571
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.680
<v Speaker 2>it was, it was terrible, right, And of course we

572
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>spent a lot. And that's one of the last places

573
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>you'd expect sasquatches to be because it's kind of rolling

574
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 2>planes with sparse trees. But what we found is that

575
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:18.960
<v Speaker 2>most of the sasquatch reports, at least that time of year,

576
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.200
<v Speaker 2>they're down there, obviously down the river beds, but they're

577
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.079
<v Speaker 2>they're walking over the flat plains at night, going from

578
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 2>one ravine to another. And that's when a lot of

579
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>the people see the Sasquatches on their properties, when they're

580
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>walking alone at night going to the next place. But

581
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>when it came to us finding the sasquatches, and we did,

582
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 2>we did. We found that was a yellow Bear reservoir

583
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:41.759
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, I think if I remember right,

584
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>But that was one of the only places for miles

585
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 2>and miles and miles and miles that actually had water

586
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.079
<v Speaker 2>at that time. Of year, So it's kind of like

587
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.440
<v Speaker 2>where there's limited resources, well then you know where to

588
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.440
<v Speaker 2>focus your efforts at least, So that's a benefit in

589
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:00.759
<v Speaker 2>some ways to habitat like New Back Ago where it's

590
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 2>high and dry and super arid and kind of warm.

591
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe sometimes it concentrates the resources and therefore concentrates the

592
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:08.480
<v Speaker 2>animals as well.

593
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 6>And I believe, I believe you're absolutely right, and I

594
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 6>think I want to stress again, one of the reasons

595
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.319
<v Speaker 6>we felt like the animal was in the area did

596
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 6>have to do with those stations for lack of a

597
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.480
<v Speaker 6>better term, with the salt licks and this mineral molasses

598
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 6>kind of mix, but they were also water stations, and

599
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 6>as far as so, there was water present as well.

600
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

601
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Bogo will be right back after these messages.

602
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:55.279
<v Speaker 6>There's one fairly substantial private lake and it happens to

603
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.559
<v Speaker 6>be on the ranchers property that we were kind of

604
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:04.200
<v Speaker 6>worn to stay away from in the area. But other

605
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:08.640
<v Speaker 6>than that, we saw lots of just completely dry ponds.

606
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 6>You could tell where when it rains they'll fill up,

607
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 6>but they were all just dry as a bone. With

608
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 6>that exception, it was much larger than any of the others.

609
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 6>But these mineral stations, these salt lick stations, water stations

610
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:28.559
<v Speaker 6>that are around for the livestock. We discussed whether or

611
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.279
<v Speaker 6>not the sasquatch that was there, whether it was actually

612
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:39.440
<v Speaker 6>maybe partaking the molasses type material there or the salt

613
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 6>or I'm sure it was helping itself to the water.

614
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:46.279
<v Speaker 6>But it would also be the perfect ambush spot because

615
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.599
<v Speaker 6>any ungulates in the area are going to visit those stations,

616
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 6>and they were positioned in such a way that had

617
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.559
<v Speaker 6>we wanted to, we could have just kind of gone

618
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 6>up the hill a little bit into the brush and

619
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.759
<v Speaker 6>sat and watched and seen any thing and everything that

620
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.680
<v Speaker 6>came to those stations. And so I don't know about

621
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.799
<v Speaker 6>long term survival on that kind of thing, but certainly

622
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:13.559
<v Speaker 6>little sweet treat come down in the evenings to get

623
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.519
<v Speaker 6>or to get water. I think it's very feasible that

624
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:19.839
<v Speaker 6>that could have been going on. We actually years ago,

625
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.680
<v Speaker 6>Darryl and I investigated a report in a little outside

626
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.039
<v Speaker 6>of a little town called Dawson, Texas. And Daryl, what's

627
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.519
<v Speaker 6>the reservoir that's right there the lake?

628
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 4>Well, all that I recall is just the Trinity River.

629
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Speaker 6>Now there's a reservoir there. Anyway, the lady had come

630
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.680
<v Speaker 6>out to go to work early one morning, but they

631
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 6>had land, and they had livestock, and they had set

632
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 6>up a big barrel with this molasses and minerals, and

633
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:51.039
<v Speaker 6>it was this concoction just a high caloric lots of

634
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 6>minerals for the cattle, fatten them up, keep them healthy.

635
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 6>And the owner came out and spotted a sasquatch crossing

636
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:03.440
<v Speaker 6>the field from the direction of that station, and mentioned

637
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.960
<v Speaker 6>that this stuff was disappearing at a higher rate than usual,

638
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 6>and kind of theorized that this thing was coming in

639
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:14.160
<v Speaker 6>there and helping itself. And so it's certainly possible that

640
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.279
<v Speaker 6>that was going on. But again also just a perfect

641
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:22.680
<v Speaker 6>ambush spot if for anyone or anything that's hunting mule

642
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.759
<v Speaker 6>deer or elk or for that matter, you know, take

643
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.559
<v Speaker 6>a take a bit of livestock from time to time,

644
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.599
<v Speaker 6>because they're all going to show up there at some point.

645
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.440
<v Speaker 4>And I'll just add that all those areas in New Mexico,

646
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.519
<v Speaker 4>those national forests, its elevated national forests, they all have

647
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 4>a history of reported encounters. It's just that there's very

648
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 4>few people in New Mexico, So you have to have

649
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 4>people to encounter the sasquatch just to report them. So

650
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 4>it may be in each of those areas, it may

651
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 4>be a you know, a significant number of the animals

652
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 4>there is so remote, there's so few people that actually

653
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 4>visit those places that you know, and their creatures are

654
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 4>so elusive, that they just may have a population there

655
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.199
<v Speaker 4>that this is largely undetected.

656
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's certainly more than enough land in New Mexico

657
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.880
<v Speaker 2>for these things, that's for sure. And you know, one

658
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.599
<v Speaker 2>of the things that intrigues me, I guess we know

659
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>they're in New Mexico, right, that all these sky islands

660
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>and these these highlands highlands that kind of pop out

661
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:29.239
<v Speaker 2>of the desert floor, they fully extend into Mexico proper,

662
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.679
<v Speaker 2>you know. So there are sasquatches in northern Mexico at least,

663
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:35.280
<v Speaker 2>and I'm confident they're in southern Mexico as well. I've

664
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.599
<v Speaker 2>personally spoken in Spanish to two witnesses who had seen

665
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 2>these things down to the jungles. But you hear almost

666
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:46.719
<v Speaker 2>nothing at all from Northern Mexico. And it's maybe it's

667
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.519
<v Speaker 2>because of you know, they just don't have the time

668
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:51.840
<v Speaker 2>to look into it, because here in America we're blessed

669
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.159
<v Speaker 2>with leisure time. Basically, you know, there's enough we're not

670
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:57.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, scrambling for, you know, to make sure that

671
00:34:57.639 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 2>our family can eat all the time and stuff. For

672
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>most of us are have a little bit of leisure

673
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>time to enjoy ourselves. And that's where the bigfoot thing

674
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:04.960
<v Speaker 2>comes in. And maybe that's not the case in some

675
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>of those places in rural Mexico. Maybe there they don't care,

676
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.559
<v Speaker 2>maybe they don't notice, maybe there's some superstition involved or whatever.

677
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I personally think that a lot of the Sasquatch vocalizations

678
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.679
<v Speaker 2>in Mexico and even in southern United States as well,

679
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.320
<v Speaker 2>the vocalizations are probably attributed to La Orana, like the

680
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>crying woman and who goes through the arroyos at night,

681
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, yelling for her drowned children, you know, crying

682
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.039
<v Speaker 2>and screaming. I think a lot of that is cats

683
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>a various ways, you know, like bobcats and cougars and

684
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 2>whatever else, and sasquatches. I think a lot of the

685
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 2>noises are attributed to her, the folkloric, you know, mythological woman.

686
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 2>But it's astonishing me that we don't hear more out

687
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.599
<v Speaker 2>of Mexico in that sort of way, you know, But

688
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.559
<v Speaker 2>I guess no one's really looking, well.

689
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.599
<v Speaker 4>Does that? Is there a possibility that perhaps those areas

690
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.559
<v Speaker 4>where where these these things are in those parts of Mexico,

691
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.360
<v Speaker 4>maybe they're more remote and the people are less connected,

692
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 4>if you will, to you know, the people like you

693
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:08.079
<v Speaker 4>and us, people who actually look into this phenomenon.

694
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I would certainly think that's true. I

695
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>would certainly think that's true.

696
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 6>To address your other point about Mexico, this doesn't have

697
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.239
<v Speaker 6>to do with Mexico proper, but rather Central and South

698
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 6>America with sasquatch type creatures I had mentioned, you know

699
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 6>the book I'm working on some of the lesser known

700
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 6>myths and legends out there regarding cryptids. One of the

701
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 6>sections in it is called the Eight Men of South America.

702
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:44.320
<v Speaker 6>And so there's a strong history of bipedal heres to

703
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 6>very large, smelly, screaming type animals in Central and South America.

704
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:56.280
<v Speaker 6>There's the d d, the Mono Grande, the map Bengueri

705
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 6>and I'm sure I'm butchering accent and goes on and on.

706
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>The Yukamar, the Achi.

707
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 6>These are some names that describe Basically, what we would

708
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.719
<v Speaker 6>all say is a is a bigfoot and these are

709
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.599
<v Speaker 6>strong folklore legends and stories down there that are still

710
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.679
<v Speaker 6>you know, these animals are still seen. I won't say routinely,

711
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 6>but they're still seen today. And so if I'm with

712
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 6>Cliff and they're all I'm with you. As far as

713
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.440
<v Speaker 6>you know, I don't see how they would be in

714
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 6>North America, in the lower forty eight of the United

715
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 6>States and then disappear throughout all of Mexico and then

716
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 6>just reappear in Central and South America. So they're up

717
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 6>in there somewhere.

718
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, political boundaries mean nothing to Allah, Yeah.

719
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 6>But they're you know that Chihuahuan Desert is no joke,

720
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:52.920
<v Speaker 6>and that's a pretty inhospitable area, and that could have

721
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.039
<v Speaker 6>something to do with the two. But as you pointed out,

722
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:56.559
<v Speaker 6>you know, to have a sighting, you got to have

723
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 6>the animal, but you also have to have people. So

724
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:02.199
<v Speaker 6>that maybe I would I think some sociology research might

725
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 6>be in order as far as you know, what's the

726
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:10.760
<v Speaker 6>population in the northwestern Mexico. There just may not be

727
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:12.840
<v Speaker 6>very many folks at all. That could be a big

728
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 6>part of it.

729
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was really curious you know too. We had

730
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.079
<v Speaker 1>conversations a bit about it, but the habitat differences because

731
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>you guys spent so much time in Area X, which

732
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:26.519
<v Speaker 1>is eastern deciduous forest, and Mike's come to southern Appalachia

733
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.039
<v Speaker 1>with me a few years ago, and then Darryl came

734
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>out last year with me to southern Appalachia, and then

735
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 1>I took him to an area of the Cumberland Plateau,

736
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:36.239
<v Speaker 1>which is still part of the Appalachian Uplift, but nonetheless

737
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.239
<v Speaker 1>is all eastern deciduous forest. And for those of us

738
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that spend a lot of time and places like that,

739
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 1>we see the differences between southeast Oklahoma, southern Kentucky, northeast Georgia,

740
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.039
<v Speaker 1>but by and large it's the same flora and fauna.

741
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe a little bit different geology, but obviously the HeLa

742
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Mountains are so very different than what we're all used to.

743
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.559
<v Speaker 1>You know how that struck you? Did you change your

744
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.599
<v Speaker 1>tax in the field, did you try some of the

745
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 1>same old tricks, or was it more like where do

746
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:04.039
<v Speaker 1>we go?

747
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 6>Well, a lot of our time was just eating up

748
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 6>with trying to find that sighting location. We were determined

749
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 6>or maybe stubborn, hardhead. It's a better way to put it,

750
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 6>to find that. But as far as addressing your point,

751
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 6>you can kind of equate it to the cattle ranching

752
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 6>in East Texas where I'm from, versus the ranching that's

753
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 6>going on out there in New Mexico where I'm from,

754
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 6>where we get literally six feet six feet of rain

755
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.119
<v Speaker 6>a year down close to the coast and in the

756
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:35.079
<v Speaker 6>piny woods, versus what they're doing in New Mexico. You're

757
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.960
<v Speaker 6>raising cattle. In East Texas, you can run between three

758
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 6>and five cattle per acre probably and there's plenty for

759
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 6>all of them to graze and get nice and fat.

760
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 6>In New Mexico you might need two acres per cow.

761
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 6>And that's one thing we learned. These ranches out there

762
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 6>are vast, but you're going to need much much more

763
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:01.440
<v Speaker 6>land to equal the grays that a cow in East

764
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.119
<v Speaker 6>Texas would have. And I think it's similar with the forest,

765
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 6>and not just with the Sasquatch, but any creature. These

766
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.199
<v Speaker 6>deciduous forests that are so thick, almost jungle like, and

767
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:18.159
<v Speaker 6>they're so rich in resources. I think it was doctor

768
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 6>John Bender Nagel who visited the Big Thicket years ago,

769
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.039
<v Speaker 6>and he made the statement that, uh, an animal here

770
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 6>would need far a far smaller range than the same

771
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.199
<v Speaker 6>species of animal would need in the Pacific Northwest, which

772
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 6>is predominantly coniferous forests. And it's kind of the same

773
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.719
<v Speaker 6>way there there in New Mexico. So I think your

774
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:50.599
<v Speaker 6>chances of running into one unless you can identify a

775
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:55.000
<v Speaker 6>specific attraction, as Cliff alluded to earlier, with the water,

776
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.159
<v Speaker 6>you know, you got to get they got it. They're

777
00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 6>going to have to get to water at least a

778
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 6>couple of times a day. But everything's the same. You've

779
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:09.760
<v Speaker 6>got the same Western red pines and ponderosa pines and cedars,

780
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.599
<v Speaker 6>and you've got this dusty, hilly, rocky landscape and it

781
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.840
<v Speaker 6>just goes on and on forever. The territory is just

782
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 6>so vast, whereas in these Texas one's a little One

783
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.000
<v Speaker 6>of these animals would be a little more apt well

784
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.119
<v Speaker 6>to not move as much, I think, because it wouldn't

785
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Speaker 6>need to. I would suspect these Western animals have to

786
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.159
<v Speaker 6>be on the move a lot, and that's that was

787
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 6>going to make them a little harder to bump into,

788
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 6>because they're just going to have to be moving in

789
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.800
<v Speaker 6>order to collect the resources they need. Now, you know,

790
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.199
<v Speaker 6>black bears are doing fine out there, so there's no

791
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.639
<v Speaker 6>reason to think that a sasquatch could not and would

792
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 6>not as well. But I do think that makes it

793
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 6>a little more difficult out there.

794
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just did some quick searching. And you know,

795
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure our audience has heard me say many times that,

796
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, southern Appalachia, your average adult male black bear

797
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 1>has a home range of around sixteen to eighteen square miles,

798
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>and so it looks like out there the average range

799
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.519
<v Speaker 1>is anywhere from thirty five to sixty square miles for

800
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 1>an adult.

801
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:15.119
<v Speaker 4>That makes sense. We did research for our paper on

802
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.239
<v Speaker 4>one of our papers on Area X. We found that

803
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:23.360
<v Speaker 4>in the Washingta Uplift area of eastern Oklahoma western Arkansas,

804
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 4>the average home range for the black bear was anywhere

805
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.760
<v Speaker 4>from you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen miles. I mean

806
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.960
<v Speaker 4>it was very tight, very tight area, which which just

807
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 4>as Mikey talked about, it suggests that you know, an

808
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:43.119
<v Speaker 4>animal will have a much smaller territory, you know, a

809
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 4>much smaller core area, doesn't have to go as far

810
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 4>to forage, to find food, water, you know, And we

811
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.840
<v Speaker 4>may have some factors like we have recently discovered about

812
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 4>the orangutans that sometimes they may have adapted evolution, may

813
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 4>have natural selection may have helped them to adapt, and

814
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 4>maybe they don't. Maybe in New Mexico and in places

815
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 4>like that, they don't need to get they don't have

816
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.960
<v Speaker 4>to get water so much per se. Maybe they can

817
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 4>go maybe they can go days without actually drinking water,

818
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:18.320
<v Speaker 4>actual water. Maybe they get all the moisture they need

819
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:21.760
<v Speaker 4>from their food sources. Maybe they've you know, maybe they've adopted,

820
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:25.760
<v Speaker 4>have adapted that way, and and uh developed that way.

821
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 4>Who knows, well.

822
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people overlook the vast resources

823
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.880
<v Speaker 2>that are present in deserts. In general, human beings have thrived,

824
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:40.599
<v Speaker 2>not not survived, but thrived in desert environments for as

825
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:42.679
<v Speaker 2>long as they've been in them, essentially, I mean, and

826
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.679
<v Speaker 2>not not like you know, stark sandscapes of the Sahara,

827
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.119
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm talking about. But you go to places

828
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.239
<v Speaker 2>that are pretty dramatic, you know, pretty extreme, like Death Valley,

829
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.119
<v Speaker 2>and you go to the archaeolo look at the archaeology

830
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.280
<v Speaker 2>of Death Valley and there are tons of you know,

831
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 2>camps and in ways, you know, strategies. I guess that

832
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.119
<v Speaker 2>humans adapted to survive in some of the most extreme

833
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.719
<v Speaker 2>environments on the planet, and of course sasquatches have advantages

834
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 2>and disadvantages as far as that goes. The disadvantage is,

835
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:14.400
<v Speaker 2>of course they're large size and their hair covering which

836
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 2>would retain heat. But you know, in New Mexico you

837
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.599
<v Speaker 2>get snow a lot of you it's not exactly the

838
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.880
<v Speaker 2>same kind of desert as death Value is. It doesn't

839
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>probably get to one hundred and ten and stay there

840
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.199
<v Speaker 2>for weeks at a time. You know, it's actually a

841
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.679
<v Speaker 2>much more mild climate in that sort of way temperature wise,

842
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>But the food resources are are just it's huge, huge

843
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:39.519
<v Speaker 2>in desert.

844
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:40.719
<v Speaker 4>You just have.

845
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.840
<v Speaker 2>To expand, I guess what you're thinking. And sasquatches are

846
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.920
<v Speaker 2>obviously excellent at adapting to their environment. You know, their

847
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 2>food resources change depending on where they live. You know,

848
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of For many years, people kind of poo

849
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.760
<v Speaker 2>pooed the idea of sasquatches being in the Majave Desert.

850
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.840
<v Speaker 2>But when you look at where they were seen, they

851
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 2>were generally seen in dried river beds connecting to better habitats,

852
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 2>and also at the base of the mountains, like basically

853
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 2>right at the base of the Sierra Nevada Mountains in

854
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the Mohave Desert down there, that's a transition zone were

855
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:19.360
<v Speaker 2>what you get the benefits of two different biomes, and

856
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>then the food resources that are present there. And New

857
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Mexico is a lot like that almost everywhere you go.

858
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a little desert, little mountains sort of thing.

859
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.599
<v Speaker 2>And the food resources if you're interested in that, you know,

860
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.920
<v Speaker 2>like if you're interested in eating things like snakes and

861
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.039
<v Speaker 2>lizards and bugs and all those sort of things, which

862
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:40.519
<v Speaker 2>sasquatches certainly do. It's a cornucopia of food resources that

863
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.599
<v Speaker 2>are not available in other sort of more rush environments.

864
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.679
<v Speaker 2>And I think that a lot of times humans we're

865
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 2>all victims of our own preconceptions. We think that there's

866
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:53.960
<v Speaker 2>no resources there and it's just not true. I mean,

867
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the mesquite plants, the various sage brushes, all these things

868
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 2>have some nutritional value at some base level. And with

869
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the gut the size of a sasquatch, they're built for

870
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:09.079
<v Speaker 2>utilizing low resource foods. And of course they can catch

871
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:12.519
<v Speaker 2>rattle snakes without probably getting bitten very often, and they

872
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and lizards are probably no problem, just another tasty treat

873
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 2>for them, you know, we have to look at it

874
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:22.519
<v Speaker 2>in that sort of way. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot

875
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 2>and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back

876
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:26.199
<v Speaker 2>after these messages.

877
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.239
<v Speaker 4>A couple of points about that Cliff that you brought up.

878
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 4>The temperatures, they were very mild. So the first night

879
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.920
<v Speaker 4>we were caught unawares. We had checked the weather, but

880
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.960
<v Speaker 4>the weather was pretty inaccurate for where we were. We

881
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 4>were about we were just under eight thousand feet and

882
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:50.920
<v Speaker 4>the first night got down into the upper thirties. From

883
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 4>there on, every night, you know, in the in the

884
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:55.840
<v Speaker 4>in the middle of the night, I would say the

885
00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 4>temperature approached forty degrees fahrenheit. During the day, I think

886
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:03.320
<v Speaker 4>our highs were around seventy eight eighty degrees. Was very

887
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 4>very mild in terms of temperature. We were not you know,

888
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 4>we were not down on the desert floor. We were

889
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 4>up and it was it was very much a Western

890
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:18.639
<v Speaker 4>you know, montane forest, ponderosa pines, alligator, juniper's scrub, oak,

891
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:21.440
<v Speaker 4>post oak. I mean, it was just it was very

892
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:24.760
<v Speaker 4>much a dense forest. Now I didn't have the understory

893
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:28.039
<v Speaker 4>that we're used to in the eastern half of the continent,

894
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.000
<v Speaker 4>but it was just a very rich forest, and the

895
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 4>ungulate population is enormous. I mean, I can't tell you

896
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:39.480
<v Speaker 4>how many times how many elk we saw, mule, deer, pronghorn,

897
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.039
<v Speaker 4>And as I think all of us on this show today,

898
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 4>I think all of us are subscribed to the you know,

899
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.920
<v Speaker 4>the the idea that that sasquatch just eat meat. I mean,

900
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 4>I know, I know that I hold that, and so

901
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 4>they they definitely have a rich diet there. You know,

902
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 4>if I was eight feet tall and I could, you know,

903
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.000
<v Speaker 4>run bursts of thirty thirty five forty miles an hour,

904
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.840
<v Speaker 4>and you know, I could traverse mountains like nobody's business,

905
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:06.840
<v Speaker 4>then it would be no problem to stay well fed

906
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:08.599
<v Speaker 4>in that area, for sure.

907
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 6>I was just going to agree with Cliff. Primates are

908
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:20.079
<v Speaker 6>famously resilient in many, many ways, and they can eat

909
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 6>such a wide variety of things. And I have had

910
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 6>a little pet theory for years that while I do

911
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.280
<v Speaker 6>believe there are certain areas of the country and the

912
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:36.400
<v Speaker 6>world that would be quote ideal habitat end quote, those

913
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 6>are few and far between, and for a species of

914
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:40.840
<v Speaker 6>any kind to survive, there's going to have to be

915
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:49.519
<v Speaker 6>some adaptation, some changes, and some resilience, and I just think, again,

916
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:54.719
<v Speaker 6>my pet theory is that isolation is actually the number

917
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.320
<v Speaker 6>one requirement for these animals to not just survive, but

918
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:04.400
<v Speaker 6>possibly thrive in absence of us is number one. I think.

919
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:13.079
<v Speaker 6>I believe they will adapt, they will find something to eat,

920
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:18.039
<v Speaker 6>and they will survive. And again, anywhere where there's wildlife,

921
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:22.440
<v Speaker 6>like Darryl just alluded to, sasquatch is just another type

922
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 6>of wildlife. And if these other species can adapt and

923
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 6>make that adjustment, there's no reason to think one of

924
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 6>these animals cannot do so as well. So again, I

925
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:39.320
<v Speaker 6>think the number one component for their survival is just

926
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 6>isolation somewhere where they're going to be left alone, not harassed,

927
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:48.280
<v Speaker 6>and they'll figure it out like all these other types

928
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 6>of wildlife have.

929
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:51.719
<v Speaker 4>Oh and it poured on us the last night, the

930
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.599
<v Speaker 4>last night we were there, it rained all night long.

931
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:58.719
<v Speaker 4>Thunderstorms started the day before off and on, and then

932
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.679
<v Speaker 4>when we turned in that night night we were wakened

933
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:04.800
<v Speaker 4>all night. In fact, Mikey got you got soaked pretty

934
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:10.440
<v Speaker 4>good because his rain fly failed to do its job. Sorry, Mikey,

935
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 4>not laughing at you, but laughing with you.

936
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:16.440
<v Speaker 2>No, I think you are. That's okay, though, well, that's

937
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 2>a serious situation in New Mexico. That's one of the

938
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:22.280
<v Speaker 2>few places that I almost was cut off from the

939
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 2>roads due to flash floods when we were filming down there.

940
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:26.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like it started raining and raining pretty good for

941
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:28.760
<v Speaker 2>like an hour and that was it. Next thing, you know,

942
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.039
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't get back to the road because the river

943
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.679
<v Speaker 2>had raised to the such a level would have been dangerous

944
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.159
<v Speaker 2>to drive across what was previously dry an hour and

945
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 2>a half before.

946
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:41.119
<v Speaker 6>Right, it comes it comes up so fast. It comes

947
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.280
<v Speaker 6>up so fast, but it also retreats pretty quick too.

948
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:48.239
<v Speaker 6>But you're right, you can find yourself in a jam. Fortunately,

949
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 6>we were up at elevation and I had had a

950
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.440
<v Speaker 6>sleeping bag full of water. But other than that, you know,

951
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.320
<v Speaker 6>we weren't any danger as far as that goes.

952
00:50:57.360 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 2>But you're right.

953
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.679
<v Speaker 6>We saw numerous flash flood waring type signs at low

954
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.239
<v Speaker 6>spots on the roads. We even saw one property that

955
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:09.280
<v Speaker 6>was for sale and it was right on what at

956
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 6>the time was a dry creek bed, and we both theorized,

957
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:14.920
<v Speaker 6>I bet they're selling that because they keep getting flooded.

958
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of the reasons I thought it'd be good

959
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 1>to highlight not just that particular outing because it was

960
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.280
<v Speaker 1>relevant to our listenership, because that episode did so well,

961
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:25.960
<v Speaker 1>because it's such a fascinating story, but also, you know,

962
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the three of us used to collaborate in a very

963
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 1>public way in the NAWAC and in the naaac's podcast

964
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 1>that Darryl and I co produced and co hosted and

965
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 1>that Mike was frequently on. But you know, since the

966
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.960
<v Speaker 1>three of us had parted the organization, we sort of

967
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.719
<v Speaker 1>maintained like ourselves and others. I always refer to it

968
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 1>as like akin to the Invisible College, you know from

969
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:49.519
<v Speaker 1>back in the old Enlightenment era days, sort of like

970
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:53.320
<v Speaker 1>a non public network or you know, collaborative group of

971
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:56.519
<v Speaker 1>people operating together. And so you guys have come out

972
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.880
<v Speaker 1>with me, and we have more plans for you guys

973
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to come back out to the Southern Apple Actions. I

974
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:03.599
<v Speaker 1>came out to the Washingtons with you guys last summer,

975
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 1>and so I just I thought it would be good

976
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.199
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of listeners write in and ask, and

977
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.960
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, we're still doing a lot of things that

978
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.239
<v Speaker 1>just might not always be under the moniker of you know,

979
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 1>some acronym or you know, have a show dedicated to

980
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:19.960
<v Speaker 1>it or something like that. But I'm sure people would

981
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.280
<v Speaker 1>be really interested to hear, you know, what's in the

982
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>pipeline or what else is coming up, or future plans.

983
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, I know we have plans, but you

984
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.039
<v Speaker 1>guys are still active there in Texas and elsewhere as well.

985
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 4>Oh for sure, we've got stuff planned. We're talking about

986
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:39.519
<v Speaker 4>future things, and we definitely, Mikey and I both we

987
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:41.960
<v Speaker 4>have not lost interest in the pursuit of the Sasquatch.

988
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.400
<v Speaker 4>We do it now in a very low key way,

989
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 4>and hopefully the only way that you will hear about

990
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.079
<v Speaker 4>our stuff in the future is perhaps if something happens

991
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 4>that is significant that maybe you'll hear about it then.

992
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.039
<v Speaker 4>But you know, we prefer to keep it on, just

993
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 4>sort of fly under the radar, just do our our thing.

994
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.639
<v Speaker 4>And we all we also have a lot of other

995
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:06.239
<v Speaker 4>interests as we said, that keep us also engaged. And

996
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.000
<v Speaker 4>but yeah, we were planning to we're planning to head

997
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:14.159
<v Speaker 4>to uh eastern Oklahoma here in the next month, not

998
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.719
<v Speaker 4>not anywhere near the old area, but someplace new that

999
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:21.320
<v Speaker 4>we're very interested in. And and then we've got some

1000
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:23.719
<v Speaker 4>things that we're talking about, you know, you know, head

1001
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:26.119
<v Speaker 4>over and do some stuff with Maddie in the in

1002
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:29.199
<v Speaker 4>the not too distant future, maybe this year, maybe a

1003
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.280
<v Speaker 4>few months from now, and then we also want to

1004
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 4>get out west as as I told Cliff and Bobo

1005
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.239
<v Speaker 4>a little earlier, we're talking about the Mogi on Rim.

1006
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:40.400
<v Speaker 4>We would love to head to, uh, you know, northern California,

1007
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:44.239
<v Speaker 4>some areas up there, love to head to Alaska. There's

1008
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 4>all kinds of places that we would like to go.

1009
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.079
<v Speaker 4>And Mikey's retirement's on and hopefully, you know, god willing

1010
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.280
<v Speaker 4>hit retirement is not too far away from for him,

1011
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 4>and I'm already retired, so we absolutely have the time now.

1012
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.159
<v Speaker 4>And so yeah, anyway, very cool.

1013
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've just learned so much from both of you

1014
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.800
<v Speaker 1>guys being in the field and always have a tremendous time,

1015
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:08.679
<v Speaker 1>and so I always prioritize that. And my work supports that.

1016
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>You're talking to my two bosses on the line right now,

1017
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.440
<v Speaker 1>and I think they'll give me the time off if

1018
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I need this.

1019
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:19.920
<v Speaker 6>Well, one thing I'm also endeavoring to do is to

1020
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:25.559
<v Speaker 6>get a new site up. And the idea is, I

1021
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.639
<v Speaker 6>think we've been hamstrung for years as researchers in this topic,

1022
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:35.639
<v Speaker 6>everyone's been very closed mouthed, not shared, sharing much information

1023
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:39.239
<v Speaker 6>with each other and things like that. So the site's

1024
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:42.039
<v Speaker 6>going to be called the Tentatively, it's going to be

1025
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.880
<v Speaker 6>called the Cryptid Cooperative. And the idea behind it is,

1026
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:50.039
<v Speaker 6>I want to connect researchers across the country. It's you know,

1027
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.239
<v Speaker 6>certainly the public will be welcome to come in and

1028
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:59.920
<v Speaker 6>read and contribute as those opportunities arive. But what are

1029
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 6>really I'm looking to do is connect researchers to each other.

1030
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 6>And I'm not looking for anyone to share their secret

1031
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:11.079
<v Speaker 6>honey hoole and coordinates and things like that. But if

1032
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:15.840
<v Speaker 6>say someone in the Olympic project stumbles into a strategy

1033
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.400
<v Speaker 6>that has yielded results on a consistent basis, right, if

1034
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:24.000
<v Speaker 6>we do this, this happens seventy five percent of the

1035
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 6>time we get activity. Well, you know what, maybe that

1036
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.880
<v Speaker 6>would work in eastern Oklahoma too. Maybe that would work

1037
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.079
<v Speaker 6>in Maine. Maybe that would work in the Everglades too,

1038
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.400
<v Speaker 6>depending on whatever it is, maybe that would work in

1039
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.840
<v Speaker 6>the Hila Mountains of New Mexico. It's more of a

1040
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 6>let's share techniques and what works and what hasn't worked,

1041
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:53.880
<v Speaker 6>what equipment is worth the investment and what isn't you know,

1042
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:55.719
<v Speaker 6>things like that kind of We hope to have a

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00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:01.039
<v Speaker 6>forum set up for those types of discussions and hopefully

1044
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 6>it will encourage people to share a little more. That

1045
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:06.719
<v Speaker 6>was one thing I was working on toward the end

1046
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 6>of my tenure in AWAC was a little more cooperation

1047
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 6>with some other groups that were we believe were reputable

1048
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 6>and doing good work. And we got some members to

1049
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 6>come in from those from those organizations and help dual

1050
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:26.840
<v Speaker 6>membership with and really quality people. And I think more

1051
00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:30.519
<v Speaker 6>of that is what we need, and I think we

1052
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:34.960
<v Speaker 6>have to prioritize the goal. The conservation of the animal

1053
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.840
<v Speaker 6>is still number one to me. But to protect it,

1054
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.400
<v Speaker 6>we have to prove it's real. And our best chance

1055
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.599
<v Speaker 6>of proving it to be real is going to have

1056
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:47.480
<v Speaker 6>to be a little more cooperation among the people that

1057
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:49.920
<v Speaker 6>and it's just a handful of very few people that

1058
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:52.880
<v Speaker 6>are actually out there and doing the work, and that's

1059
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:56.199
<v Speaker 6>going to be the drive behind the site. It's also

1060
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 6>going to because like I said, I have other interests,

1061
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 6>you know, the black panther enigma. We're going to be

1062
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:06.719
<v Speaker 6>have a section for that. And then my number three

1063
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.280
<v Speaker 6>on my list is the Ivory built woodpecker, which being

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00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:16.000
<v Speaker 6>a swamp rat from southeast Texas. Periodically somebody will come

1065
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:17.920
<v Speaker 6>in to say they've seen one down there in the

1066
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.760
<v Speaker 6>big Thicket country. And I would really not much would

1067
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.280
<v Speaker 6>throw me more than to try to find something like

1068
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.159
<v Speaker 6>that and it's not gone after all. That would be

1069
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.639
<v Speaker 6>we need to take one of those trips, mikey Oh,

1070
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:32.440
<v Speaker 6>I'd love to We need to take one of those

1071
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:34.440
<v Speaker 6>trips to go, you know, we'll spend a week ten

1072
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.280
<v Speaker 6>days out in Ivy Build woodpecker country and.

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00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.400
<v Speaker 4>Take a hot powered buyos out there and see what

1074
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:44.400
<v Speaker 4>we can see. Would love to do that.

1075
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:48.559
<v Speaker 6>But that's kind of the idea behind the Cryptid Cooperative website.

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00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.199
<v Speaker 6>That's going to be hopefully just a matter of a

1077
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:54.000
<v Speaker 6>couple of weeks, we'll be up and running. And I

1078
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:58.880
<v Speaker 6>was really gonna hoping to debut it at the Texas

1079
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:03.199
<v Speaker 6>Bigfoot Conference in October, but it may be up and

1080
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:08.760
<v Speaker 6>running even before that. And and so anybody and everybody

1081
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:12.719
<v Speaker 6>that's interested in contributing, you know, I invite you now

1082
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 6>to when that when that's up and run and jump

1083
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:18.679
<v Speaker 6>on there and let's you know, let's get this stuff done.

1084
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 6>Let's let's not be quite as secretive and even borderline

1085
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:25.760
<v Speaker 6>hostile to each other as some of the groups have

1086
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:27.760
<v Speaker 6>been in the past. I think I think we need

1087
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:29.920
<v Speaker 6>to figure out some way to work together.

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00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we'll definitely post that once that's available. We'll

1089
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:36.599
<v Speaker 3>post it to not only the listeners, but the membership

1090
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:38.320
<v Speaker 3>here because, like I said, there's always a lot of

1091
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:40.880
<v Speaker 3>questions for you guys. And in fact, once we had

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00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.039
<v Speaker 3>this book, I put it out to our membership section

1093
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.079
<v Speaker 3>and said, hey, if you have questions for Dale and Mike,

1094
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.239
<v Speaker 3>post them in the comments. So we do have a

1095
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.400
<v Speaker 3>lot of questions for you guys. If you're willing to

1096
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.360
<v Speaker 3>stick around for another hour or so and talk to

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00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.079
<v Speaker 3>our lovely membership.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd love to.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Bobo, get out, get us out of here,

1100
00:58:57.159 --> 00:58:59.639
<v Speaker 2>and we will head on over to the membership section.

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<v Speaker 7>Gram the cops. So thanks to Daryl and Mike for

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<v Speaker 7>joining us today. I always got a lot of good

1103
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:12.480
<v Speaker 7>info and stuff going on. So thanks to those guys.

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<v Speaker 7>Until next week, y'all keep it beyond squatchy. Nope, Nope,

1105
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<v Speaker 7>that sucked. It's not beyond squatchy, just squatchy. Try to again, Bobs.

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<v Speaker 7>Until next week. Y'all, keep it squatchy.

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