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Speaker 1: And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James booble Fay.
Speaker 2: Hey Bobs, what's happening Man?
Speaker 4: How much? How's it going?
Speaker 2: It's going all right. Too busy as usual, but a
Speaker 2: lot of busy things, you know, keep me out of trouble,
Speaker 2: I suppose. So we got a great episode today with
Speaker 2: two guests, so we don't have spend too long on
Speaker 2: introductions here, but I do have a few things to
Speaker 2: catch up with, just a few very very brief things.
Speaker 2: Number one, you know it's graduation season. I'm obviously a
Speaker 2: huge advocate of education in any form, whether it's at
Speaker 2: school or trade school or anything like that. As long
Speaker 2: as you're bettering yourself and reading books, you don't you
Speaker 2: have to do it in school. You have to just
Speaker 2: read books and read magazines and read whatever you can
Speaker 2: educate yourself. And so I want to give a big
Speaker 2: thumbs up to all the graduates right now because I
Speaker 2: know this is the time of year but one in
Speaker 2: particular wrote me a nice letter. A guy named Zach.
Speaker 2: He's a listener, Zach Powers. He's down in Phloemouth in
Speaker 2: Oregon here, and he grew up watching us bobes. He said,
Speaker 2: he came up, he came to the Bigfoot Museum. He
Speaker 2: grew up on finding Bigfoot. And of course we're old
Speaker 2: men now, so all the kids who grew up on
Speaker 2: finding Bigfoot are now graduating. But anyway, I wanted to
Speaker 2: give a congratulations to Zach Powers and all the other
Speaker 2: graduates out there. Keep going, keep going. Never stop learning.
Speaker 2: Doesn't have to be in school. Just never ever, ever,
Speaker 2: ever stop learning, and you'll live a very, very fulfilled
Speaker 2: life in my opinion. There there had a visitor at
Speaker 2: the museum this week, the lovely and talented Monique Powell
Speaker 2: from Save Ferris at SKA Ben in southern California. You
Speaker 2: remember Mo, don't you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she came by. She was She did a gig
Speaker 2: at the Hawthorne Theater this past week, and so she
Speaker 2: came by the shop. And of course I love me
Speaker 2: some Mo. You know, we've been good, good, good friends
Speaker 2: for decades. She was actually I was in her first band,
Speaker 2: the band remembered Larry, did you ever? I didn't. I
Speaker 2: didn't even know you when I was playing in Larry though.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Pretty good band though, if you asked me. Kind of
Speaker 2: Zappa esque and stuff. Yeah, So Monique came by the shop.
Speaker 2: So she, uh, she enjoyed herself and had a great show.
Speaker 5: Were you guys seeing Larry off of Three's company, Larry?
Speaker 2: No, that was just a beneficial side effect. Actually, okay,
Speaker 2: yeah I was. We actually named it after a drummer
Speaker 2: in a previous band, a guy named Lawrence. We just
Speaker 2: love the guy, so we named the band after him.
Speaker 2: He became a professional musician out in Texas somewhere if
Speaker 2: I remember right. Yeah, but uh, Monique is a killer
Speaker 2: vocalist trained in jazz and opera and all this other stuff.
Speaker 2: And of course she does like a punk ska band
Speaker 2: and she and she is the centerpiece. You know, she's
Speaker 2: got pipes, you know, for years, an enormous talent. And
Speaker 2: then two other things, very very briefly, Number one members,
Speaker 2: this is only a member thing. Darby or Cut is
Speaker 2: going to be speaking at the museum. I will be
Speaker 2: posting something in the member section, and only members of
Speaker 2: the museum and Bigfoot and beyond are going to be invited.
Speaker 2: So if you're not a member, maybe you want to
Speaker 2: become a member. It's a five dollars a month thing.
Speaker 2: And you get special invites to things like Darby or
Speaker 2: cut speaking at the North American Bigfoot Center. And by
Speaker 2: the way, there will also be a digital sort of
Speaker 2: streaming version of that you can watch from anywhere in
Speaker 2: the country if you're a world for that matter, as
Speaker 2: long as you have internet. So if you want to
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Speaker 2: becoming a member. But you also get an extra episode
Speaker 2: every single week, and you also get this very episode
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Speaker 2: for you, check it out. Maybe you want to become
Speaker 2: a member. It's four extra hours of content, cool stuff
Speaker 2: that we give to you, like invitations to special events
Speaker 2: like this and other cool things. And then finally, this
Speaker 2: coming weekend, I am doing a job in Everett, Washington
Speaker 2: at the historic Everett Theater. You may have heard of
Speaker 2: a little radio show called Coast to Coast AM. It
Speaker 2: used to be an art bell thing now. George Norri
Speaker 2: is one of the hosts that does it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: George, of course, is doing a live version of his podcast.
Speaker 2: A lot of podcasts do that. We don't we live
Speaker 2: in area, different areas and stuff, but a lot of
Speaker 2: podcasts sort of and radio shows are doing that now,
Speaker 2: and George Norri is doing one next weekend at the
Speaker 2: historic Everett Theater in Everett, Washington, right outside of Seattle's
Speaker 2: like a suburb of Seattle or something, if I remember right,
Speaker 2: And I'm on the bill. So if you want to
Speaker 2: come watch a live radio show and I'm going to
Speaker 2: be one of the guests on there, come on down.
Speaker 2: I think it's I don't know what time it starts,
Speaker 2: but we are going to post that in the show
Speaker 2: notes below, as the lovely and talented Matt Pruitt does
Speaker 2: every single week for you.
Speaker 1: And that's Saturday, June the twenty eighth.
Speaker 2: That's correct, Yeah, Saturday June to twenty eighth. There you go.
Speaker 2: Those are all the announcements. Thank you for tolerating me
Speaker 2: doing all that, and but let's get into the real
Speaker 2: meat of the situation here. We have two guests on
Speaker 2: the line today, well, unless you have something, Bobo, anything
Speaker 2: real fast.
Speaker 4: I want to hear these guys.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought me too. So let's hop into that.
Speaker 2: We have two guests, two good friends of ours, both
Speaker 2: of which have been on the podcast before but separately
Speaker 2: and individually, and now they've come to tag team us.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be Mike Mays and Daryl Collier on
Speaker 2: one team and Cliff and Bobo on the other. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like Andre the Giant and hul Kogan on
Speaker 2: Aatana team together. And of course Matt Pru will be
Speaker 2: the referee. So welcome everybody.
Speaker 4: We're going to get a kill.
Speaker 2: I know, Claubert, Daryl, how you doing, Mike, how you
Speaker 2: doing today?
Speaker 6: Doing great? Thank you for having me doing great here,
Speaker 6: Great to be on the show.
Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for coming to board you guys.
Speaker 2: About time we had you back, both of you actually,
Speaker 2: So let's talk about a little bit about what we
Speaker 2: talked about last time. We'll still start with Mike. Hey, Mike,
Speaker 2: how are your books doing.
Speaker 6: They're doing fine, you know, the existing ones. You know
Speaker 6: that you never sell as many going forward as you
Speaker 6: do the first year or two that they're out, but
Speaker 6: they continue to have some legs and do well and
Speaker 6: working on a new one as we speak.
Speaker 2: Oh, what are you working on?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 6: I guess you guys know. I did a blog for
Speaker 6: many years called the Texas Scripted Hunter, and the reason
Speaker 6: I did that was because I have, you know, a
Speaker 6: lot of interests. Bigfoot is obviously way up there in
Speaker 6: a priority interest, but you know, I'm interested in a
Speaker 6: lot of different things, and so as a history teacher,
Speaker 6: I've become kind of an amateur folklorist as well, and
Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of really great legends, myths, you know,
Speaker 6: folklore from the state of Texas and all across the country.
Speaker 6: And so I'm doing a book. It's going to be
Speaker 6: titled I Can Hand Monsters, and it's all about these
Speaker 6: myths and legends, these lesser known cryptids and animals that
Speaker 6: are rumored to be out there that people are just
Speaker 6: not nearly as familiar with once you get outside the
Speaker 6: Holy Trinity of the Yetti, Bigfoot and the Lockness Monster. Uh,
Speaker 6: these are not as well known. A lot of them
Speaker 6: are more regional in nature, but they're just fantastic stories.
Speaker 6: And going to try to call some attention to those.
Speaker 6: Talk about dog Brown, No, that's that's a little too mainstream.
Speaker 6: I've really tried to target things that I you know,
Speaker 6: because I'll you know, I'm not the first one to
Speaker 6: do a book on it.
Speaker 4: I just got to say, that's really great that not
Speaker 4: as dog Broun.
Speaker 2: You think it's I'm disappointed personally.
Speaker 6: Well, I have other thoughts about it, but but yeah,
Speaker 6: I really tried to zero in on things that have
Speaker 6: been touched on very little, if at all, by others,
Speaker 6: that people might not have heard of at all before.
Speaker 2: Well give us an example, like, is this some sort
Speaker 2: of like three eyed snellygaster thing or what do you?
Speaker 2: What do you what? Were some of the highlights as
Speaker 2: far as cryptids go in this new book.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, Darryl and I just got back from New Mexico,
Speaker 6: and one of the stories has to do with an
Speaker 6: alleged turtle giant turtle monster that lives at Bottomless Lake
Speaker 6: State Park. There's a series of sinkhole lakes there, and
Speaker 6: there's all kinds of stories about that. There's most people
Speaker 6: haven't heard much about that. The Letice is a legend
Speaker 6: from the Bayou Country of Louisiana. There's going to be
Speaker 6: a chapter on something called the Steccini.
Speaker 4: What are they?
Speaker 6: Well, the Stecchini is kind of an owl demon supposedly,
Speaker 6: so that could, I guess, sort of fall under the
Speaker 6: Mothman type umbrella. The Letish is sort of your typical
Speaker 6: humanoid type swamp monster. I do wonder openly in that
Speaker 6: essay whether or not it could not be connected to
Speaker 6: the Sasquatch mystery, as a lot of times these things
Speaker 6: are described as shambling around on two feet covered in moss. Well,
Speaker 6: maybe the moss is really hair, you know, that kind
Speaker 6: of thing. I try to offer some possible explanations for
Speaker 6: a lot of these, Saint John's River Monster, the Grunge
Speaker 6: road Monster of New Orleans, the melon heads in Connecticut,
Speaker 6: the Alba Twitch, which is kind of a mini Bigfoot
Speaker 6: from Pennsylvania, and stuff like that. Just stuff that maybe
Speaker 6: regionally people are pretty familiar with, but you know, someone
Speaker 6: in your neck of the woods might not be familiar
Speaker 6: with a legend or a river or lake monster from
Speaker 6: Florida or Connecticut or that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: I haven't heard of any of the ones you've mentioned
Speaker 5: so far, and I thought I was pretty well versed.
Speaker 6: Well, that's encouraging to me because that's kind of the idea,
Speaker 6: you know, and that's where the title you know, Secondhand
Speaker 6: Monsters comes from.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth mentioning too that, you know, in
Speaker 1: case we didn't say it earlier, that Mike's two books.
Speaker 1: One of them is called shadow Cats The Black Panthers
Speaker 1: of North America, and the other one, for squatch fans
Speaker 1: is Valley of the Apes The Search for Sasquatching Area X,
Speaker 1: which I've seen make a lot of people's like top five,
Speaker 1: top ten lists of you know, releases that came out
Speaker 1: within the last few years. A lot of people really
Speaker 1: loving that book. And so I think we did an
Speaker 1: episode on each of those books. But this audience for
Speaker 1: sure should check both of those out. They're both available
Speaker 1: on Amazon, and I will put the links to those
Speaker 1: in the show notes.
Speaker 4: They're great, They're really good books.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that, guys. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Just last week I picked up another black cat story.
Speaker 2: Not that I collect them, but they seem to come
Speaker 2: to me anyway, from our friend Todd down in the
Speaker 2: Bluff Creek area, he saw a black you know, it's
Speaker 2: probably a melanistic mountain lion or whatever, but down in
Speaker 2: the Bluff Creek area in his research spot, when for
Speaker 2: sasquatches I've and of course what a disappointment that happened
Speaker 2: to me too. We're out there looking for sasquatches and
Speaker 2: we see a black cat. What a bummer. I actually
Speaker 2: start looking for black cats. Maybe I'll see a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I got a very detailed black cat siding story from
Speaker 1: a family member last week, and so I sent him
Speaker 1: the link to Mike's book on Amazon, and I was like,
Speaker 1: here's the book on that phenomenon. You should read it.
Speaker 1: So I'm still singing the praises, preaching the word and
Speaker 1: sending the links.
Speaker 4: Did you get with the reports of black cats after
Speaker 4: that book came out? Might be like the black cat
Speaker 4: gut it out?
Speaker 6: Or not as much as as I originally did when
Speaker 6: I started. What really started the flood of reports to
Speaker 6: me was the blog. You know, I had talked about
Speaker 6: various topics, and then one day I came across a
Speaker 6: report in the newspaper that someone in the of all places, Plano, Texas,
Speaker 6: which is a suburb to the northeast of Dallas, had
Speaker 6: seen a big black panther they called it, and it
Speaker 6: had crossed this turnpike front of you know, probably dozens
Speaker 6: of people, But this is who contacted me.
Speaker 4: So this is the story I saw.
Speaker 6: So I just wrote it up and basically stated that,
Speaker 6: you know, these long tailed black cats black panthers as
Speaker 6: they're usually called, are not supposed to exist. They're no
Speaker 6: more real to the scientific community than the sasquatch is.
Speaker 6: And that got some people really riled up. It's a
Speaker 6: funny phenomenon that people who will laugh in your face
Speaker 6: about a sasquatch sighting will fight you if you try
Speaker 6: to tell them that a black panther isn't real. You know,
Speaker 6: but there's no such species, and the black cats we
Speaker 6: see on TV and in the movies are melanistic leopards
Speaker 6: ninety nine percent of the time. Jaguars can also be
Speaker 6: melanistic like that, and that's really about it as far
Speaker 6: as cats that might be over here. The only reason
Speaker 6: we have leopards, of course, is zoos and the exotic
Speaker 6: pet trade. But mountain lions are not supposed to have
Speaker 6: the genetics to be melanistic, and so scientists kind of
Speaker 6: dismiss that as a possibility.
Speaker 4: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 5: On a side note is that they just announced there's
Speaker 5: eight now jaguars in Arizona.
Speaker 6: That's really cool. I'm hoping that one of them's a
Speaker 6: female because that's really the that'll be the key as
Speaker 6: to whether they make a comeback in the lower forty eight.
Speaker 6: Because males will venture far and wide trying to establish
Speaker 6: their own territories, start their own families and so forth.
Speaker 6: Females stay much closer to home. So if they do
Speaker 6: manage to get a picture or establish that there's a
Speaker 6: female up there, that's really going to be the beginning
Speaker 6: of the actual comeback. And to my knowledge, that hasn't
Speaker 6: happened yet. They've all been males, but I'm hopeful that
Speaker 6: one of them will turn out to be a female.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 2: and Bow. We'll be right back after these messages. So
Speaker 2: three to six months doesn't seem like a long time
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Speaker 2: Well, Darryl, you're back there somewhere as well. What have
Speaker 2: you been up to lately? What's it's been like a
Speaker 2: year or two two years maybe since you've been on
Speaker 2: I don't know. My sense of time is so elastic.
Speaker 2: I can't remember. But you've been out the wood's probably
Speaker 2: a bunch since then.
Speaker 4: Yes I have. But you know, I'm just sitting here
Speaker 4: listening to this, enjoying this conversation. This is a fan
Speaker 4: It's just like I'm in my truck cruising down the road,
Speaker 4: just listening to another episode of Taking Me On with
Speaker 4: a great guests and the great hosts and interesting discussion.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, just I've retired almost a year
Speaker 4: and a half ago from my daytime job. And don't
Speaker 4: let anybody full Your retirement is just it's it's the
Speaker 4: best thing. It's like it's like reliving your childhood but
Speaker 4: you but you have all the experience and the wisdom
Speaker 4: that comes with the older age. And so just I'm
Speaker 4: having the time of my life, you know. I just
Speaker 4: I'm fully engaged. I'm never bored. I have I have
Speaker 4: so many things that keep me busy, you know, in
Speaker 4: addition to the continued search for the sasquatch to document
Speaker 4: that as a legitimate species, and I'm engaged in writing
Speaker 4: papers and doing lectures and playing music and you know,
Speaker 4: taking care of my four acre place. And you know,
Speaker 4: life is great, man.
Speaker 1: It's worth pointing out, since Cliff was singing the praises
Speaker 1: of education and praising graduates, that you yourself recently graduated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I completed my It took me long enough, but
Speaker 4: I finally completed my master's degree in history. So you know,
Speaker 4: I have a master's degree now in history from sam
Speaker 4: Houston State University, and had some papers. Had one page
Speaker 4: published in twenty twenty two, got another that's going to
Speaker 4: be published in the fall in the very prominent journal
Speaker 4: called The Historian, a paper about slave rebellions. And I've
Speaker 4: got another right now under peer review on the early
Speaker 4: Ottoman Empire. So you know, like I said, I stay busy,
Speaker 4: and back before this, I was working on putting together
Speaker 4: a lecture. Good times. Man. Just love the like Cliff says,
Speaker 4: I just love, you know, constantly just enriching my brain
Speaker 4: and just trying to be the best I can be,
Speaker 4: you know, spirit, mind and body sort of thing. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, I've known Darryl and Mike for a lot
Speaker 1: of years now, I guess it's been about eight or
Speaker 1: nine years, and yeah, nine years now, and one thing
Speaker 1: that drew me there is they're both perpetual students. You know.
Speaker 1: Not only is Derrel recently graduate, Mike is an educator.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've touched on that before, Cliff
Speaker 1: being a former educator, and I think that's one of
Speaker 1: our uniting qualities between all of us here, is we're
Speaker 1: all sort of perpetual students. One of the things we
Speaker 1: end up discussing a lot is what are you reading lately?
Speaker 1: And reading recommendations? And when I was writing the book,
Speaker 1: I reached out to Mike a whole lot and Daryl
Speaker 1: a whole lot. You know, Mike obviously having authored books,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a really great resource for me and
Speaker 1: help me a lot with guidance and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: But spend a lot of time with these guys in
Speaker 1: the field. They're in Area X and during my seven
Speaker 1: years with the NAWAC, which they were part of for
Speaker 1: a lot of years. But we've continued that trend. Thankfully.
Speaker 1: I had to bow out of a couple of trips
Speaker 1: recently for helping out with family issues, but the search
Speaker 1: continues and I try to get out with these guys
Speaker 1: as much as possible. I've learned so much from them,
Speaker 1: and we always have a blast out in the field.
Speaker 1: I would say, I think we there's equal amounts adventure
Speaker 1: and learning and laughter, which is my three biggest priorities.
Speaker 4: Oh it's such a rejuvenation, just a regeneration of I know,
Speaker 4: of my spirit anytime anytime I get out in the wilderness,
Speaker 4: and particularly when I can go out with you know,
Speaker 4: with Mikey and Maddie or they're just like brothers or
Speaker 4: like to talk. They're like my baby brothers, additional baby brothers,
Speaker 4: and so it's just just you know, have a great
Speaker 4: time with them. But I've also you know, these guys
Speaker 4: rubbed off on me because I just I just finished
Speaker 4: a book, a fiction. I never thought I would write
Speaker 4: any fiction whatsoever in my life, but I just finished
Speaker 4: a children's middle graders book. It's a fantasy book, and yeah,
Speaker 4: it does incorporate the Sasquatch into it pretty prominently. And
Speaker 4: I've sent that out to a number of publishers and
Speaker 4: I've had some nibbles and working to get that published,
Speaker 4: and you know, hopefully somebody will bite on that and
Speaker 4: take that, and if not, then I will go the
Speaker 4: self publishing route. But yeah, like I said, I've got
Speaker 4: plenty to keep me busy. Mikey and I just had
Speaker 4: a great trip out to New Mexico, the heat and
Speaker 4: National Forest, which is every bit as remote as people
Speaker 4: may have heard. It's just it was. It was wonderful.
Speaker 4: We saw Mikey. Would we see one person in six
Speaker 4: seven days at our camp site? Did we see anybody
Speaker 4: at camp?
Speaker 6: Well, we didn't actually see anybody come by the campsite.
Speaker 6: We were out on a hike and we saw one guy,
Speaker 6: but that was probably a mile and a half from
Speaker 6: our campsite.
Speaker 4: We saw.
Speaker 6: We didn't see another human being. It was as it
Speaker 6: was as if we had a mountain to ourselves. It
Speaker 6: was just glorious. Man, it was so great. And we
Speaker 6: didn't see the amount of wildlife we'd hoped to see.
Speaker 6: We saw a lot of sign but the stuff is
Speaker 6: out there. It's We were actually following up on a
Speaker 6: siding of one of the guests you've had on this show,
Speaker 6: and that was mister Aguilara's siding, and we managed to
Speaker 6: ultimately find the siding location. And not that we ever
Speaker 6: doubted anything the gentleman said, but we were able to
Speaker 6: corroborate pretty much everything he said to you guys on
Speaker 6: the show. Found the siding location. Everything was as he said.
Speaker 6: I think the only thing he might have undersold a
Speaker 6: little bit is how difficult it was to get to
Speaker 6: that location where he actually saw the animal. It was.
Speaker 6: It was quite an an odyssey, to say the least.
Speaker 6: It took us, what, Darryl, was it the fourth day
Speaker 6: we finally found it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the fourth day. And you know, we had intended
Speaker 4: to actually go to that site and make camp right there,
Speaker 4: very very close to it, but just we had some
Speaker 4: we had some difficulties on the chloride trail I had.
Speaker 4: I had a truck tint a top or tent and
Speaker 4: the rack. The trail was so rough when we're on
Speaker 4: it for about four hours. Just like he said, it
Speaker 4: took us a while, and it just beat the heck
Speaker 4: out of my rack. It snapped the rack, and it
Speaker 4: was not a cheap rack, but it just eventually just
Speaker 4: beat it to the whole tent collapsed and started bashing
Speaker 4: against my back windshields. So we had to we had
Speaker 4: to make a camp away from the site, and then
Speaker 4: we finally made our way over to it several days later.
Speaker 4: But I think it may be more difficult now, Mikey,
Speaker 4: because we found that I think since he went there,
Speaker 4: since his siding, I think part of the the egress
Speaker 4: route has been shut down by one of the private
Speaker 4: landowners out there. You can't get through those gates. Now
Speaker 4: you have to go you have to turn Amund and
Speaker 4: go all the way back out. And so that was
Speaker 4: that added to the difficulty. But one thing we found
Speaker 4: Cliff and Bobo is that there are a number of
Speaker 4: stations around there that have salt licks and molasses barrels.
Speaker 4: And where he saw this thing is let not even
Speaker 4: it may be three hundred meters from where he saw
Speaker 4: this thing. There's a station there of molasses and a
Speaker 4: salt lick. And then you go another quarter not even
Speaker 4: quarter mile, maybe two tenths of a mile, there's another station.
Speaker 4: Then you go a little bit further there's another station.
Speaker 4: So there's maybe a half dozen of those stations around there.
Speaker 5: Did you guys, did you guys have to talk to
Speaker 5: any of the name because I looked at that area
Speaker 5: pretty extensively on Google Earth, did you talk to you
Speaker 5: those ranches that were nearby?
Speaker 1: And just for the listeners real quick, the case we're
Speaker 1: talking about was the episode that we titled Face to
Speaker 1: Face in the HeLa Mountains where the gentleman Irving and
Speaker 1: his son saw the sasquatch at close range, like right
Speaker 1: next to their vehicle on the road. I recently re
Speaker 1: released that as a classic episode on May thirtieth, so
Speaker 1: go back and listen if you haven't heard that yet.
Speaker 6: We did speak to a rancher. It was a lady
Speaker 6: we came across. She had her two kids with her.
Speaker 6: She was about to move some cows from one pasture
Speaker 6: to another. And as far as she was very friendly.
Speaker 6: She turns out she was from Texas, a town that's
Speaker 6: probably an hour from where I live in Temple.
Speaker 2: And you know, she was great.
Speaker 4: She visited with us.
Speaker 6: She had not been there very long, I think, she said, Darryl,
Speaker 6: correct me if I'm wrong, only about six months maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, that's right. She was very friendly.
Speaker 6: Though, Yeah, and so she had not heard of any
Speaker 6: of the sighting. She had not heard of any anyone
Speaker 6: seen anything along the lines of a sasquatch out there.
Speaker 6: But she did admit to having not been there very long.
Speaker 6: She didn't seem to dismiss it out of hand or anything.
Speaker 6: She just was very matter of fact. No, I haven't
Speaker 6: heard anything like that, but added, I haven't been here
Speaker 6: very long. She did give us kind of a warning
Speaker 6: as far as one of the ranchers in the area
Speaker 6: where which we are pretty sure this is one of
Speaker 6: the gates that the gentleman when he left the area
Speaker 6: after seeing this sasquatch, that he went through gates and
Speaker 6: onto this gentleman's property. And we're a guessing. We feel
Speaker 6: like we found those gates, but they're now chained up
Speaker 6: and locked up. But she warned us he was not
Speaker 6: a guy that you wanted to upset and be caught
Speaker 6: out on his property without permission. It was very yellowstone
Speaker 6: like kind of stuff, you know, And so you know,
Speaker 6: she gave us some nice heads up on that, and
Speaker 6: we're pretty sure that he exited those gates and came
Speaker 6: out on that property. And we wondered and discussed if
Speaker 6: maybe there had been some others after hearing the episode
Speaker 6: that went out that way and maybe repeated his route,
Speaker 6: and maybe this gentleman, this rancher got tired of people
Speaker 6: coming to his property and that's why those gates are
Speaker 6: all chained up now.
Speaker 7: Oh, but that's a pretty good guess because the money
Speaker 7: maker was promoting that, you know, for people to get
Speaker 7: out there, and it was all over the BFRO website
Speaker 7: and our podcast, and it was on other podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm sure some people got out there. Guys. We sort
Speaker 4: of made an assessment of the area in terms of
Speaker 4: habitat factor for the Sasquatch, and so while there are
Speaker 4: some really really good things going for the area, there's
Speaker 4: maybe a couple of things that really aren't to its favor.
Speaker 4: But we don't really have any doubt that the witness
Speaker 4: saw what he says he saw. We have We really
Speaker 4: don't have any doubt about that whatsoever. But it's very
Speaker 4: very dry. Even so we were there, we were not
Speaker 4: at the site. We were about ten miles as the
Speaker 4: Sasquatch walks from the site. That's just based on circumstances.
Speaker 4: It's where we had to make our camp. But we,
Speaker 4: like I said, like we said, we managed to get
Speaker 4: over there to the site and it's not really much
Speaker 4: different from where we were. It's a little bit lower
Speaker 4: in elevation, but the area is extremely dry, and so
Speaker 4: it sort of works outside the normal areas where we
Speaker 4: think that the Sasquatch, you know, might reside. But but
Speaker 4: there's there are a very few people and it's extremely remote.
Speaker 4: We did see we did find abundant sign of wadoff.
Speaker 4: We found black bear scat just down from our camp.
Speaker 4: We found mountain lion tracks about a half mile from
Speaker 4: our camp. We found kywity tracks. We saw two Mexican
Speaker 4: gray wolves. We saw plenty of mule deer. We saw
Speaker 4: plenty of elk, We saw plenty of pronghorn. We saw
Speaker 4: jack rabbits, we saw gray squirrels, ground squirrels, tons of
Speaker 4: different bird species. So it's really robust in terms of wildlife.
Speaker 4: But it's you know, it's extremely dry, but all those
Speaker 4: all those animals seem to seem to do really well there,
Speaker 4: you know. But it's a wonderful place. I mean it's
Speaker 4: just in the sky at night where we were eight
Speaker 4: thousand feet up, it's just the most beautiful sky I've
Speaker 4: ever seen. We saw the International Space Station go over twice,
Speaker 4: which is which is really cool that man would have
Speaker 4: vivid night sky, just beautiful love New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a wonderful area. And you know, that dry,
Speaker 2: the dry conditions like that were sasquatches are found. In
Speaker 2: some ways, it makes it easier to find the sasquatches.
Speaker 2: We rent into the same situation when we did the
Speaker 2: on Finding Bigfoot when we filmed in South Dakota. We're
Speaker 2: on the Pine Ridge Reservation and gosh ba, but what
Speaker 2: was it like one hundred and ten degrees day or something.
Speaker 2: It was so ridiculous, it was terrible. It was whatever
Speaker 2: it was, it was terrible, right, And of course we
Speaker 2: spent a lot. And that's one of the last places
Speaker 2: you'd expect sasquatches to be because it's kind of rolling
Speaker 2: planes with sparse trees. But what we found is that
Speaker 2: most of the sasquatch reports, at least that time of year,
Speaker 2: they're down there, obviously down the river beds, but they're
Speaker 2: they're walking over the flat plains at night, going from
Speaker 2: one ravine to another. And that's when a lot of
Speaker 2: the people see the Sasquatches on their properties, when they're
Speaker 2: walking alone at night going to the next place. But
Speaker 2: when it came to us finding the sasquatches, and we did,
Speaker 2: we did. We found that was a yellow Bear reservoir
Speaker 2: or something like that, I think if I remember right,
Speaker 2: But that was one of the only places for miles
Speaker 2: and miles and miles and miles that actually had water
Speaker 2: at that time. Of year, So it's kind of like
Speaker 2: where there's limited resources, well then you know where to
Speaker 2: focus your efforts at least, So that's a benefit in
Speaker 2: some ways to habitat like New Back Ago where it's
Speaker 2: high and dry and super arid and kind of warm.
Speaker 2: Maybe sometimes it concentrates the resources and therefore concentrates the
Speaker 2: animals as well.
Speaker 6: And I believe, I believe you're absolutely right, and I
Speaker 6: think I want to stress again, one of the reasons
Speaker 6: we felt like the animal was in the area did
Speaker 6: have to do with those stations for lack of a
Speaker 6: better term, with the salt licks and this mineral molasses
Speaker 6: kind of mix, but they were also water stations, and
Speaker 6: as far as so, there was water present as well.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bogo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 6: There's one fairly substantial private lake and it happens to
Speaker 6: be on the ranchers property that we were kind of
Speaker 6: worn to stay away from in the area. But other
Speaker 6: than that, we saw lots of just completely dry ponds.
Speaker 6: You could tell where when it rains they'll fill up,
Speaker 6: but they were all just dry as a bone. With
Speaker 6: that exception, it was much larger than any of the others.
Speaker 6: But these mineral stations, these salt lick stations, water stations
Speaker 6: that are around for the livestock. We discussed whether or
Speaker 6: not the sasquatch that was there, whether it was actually
Speaker 6: maybe partaking the molasses type material there or the salt
Speaker 6: or I'm sure it was helping itself to the water.
Speaker 6: But it would also be the perfect ambush spot because
Speaker 6: any ungulates in the area are going to visit those stations,
Speaker 6: and they were positioned in such a way that had
Speaker 6: we wanted to, we could have just kind of gone
Speaker 6: up the hill a little bit into the brush and
Speaker 6: sat and watched and seen any thing and everything that
Speaker 6: came to those stations. And so I don't know about
Speaker 6: long term survival on that kind of thing, but certainly
Speaker 6: little sweet treat come down in the evenings to get
Speaker 6: or to get water. I think it's very feasible that
Speaker 6: that could have been going on. We actually years ago,
Speaker 6: Darryl and I investigated a report in a little outside
Speaker 6: of a little town called Dawson, Texas. And Daryl, what's
Speaker 6: the reservoir that's right there the lake?
Speaker 4: Well, all that I recall is just the Trinity River.
Speaker 6: Now there's a reservoir there. Anyway, the lady had come
Speaker 6: out to go to work early one morning, but they
Speaker 6: had land, and they had livestock, and they had set
Speaker 6: up a big barrel with this molasses and minerals, and
Speaker 6: it was this concoction just a high caloric lots of
Speaker 6: minerals for the cattle, fatten them up, keep them healthy.
Speaker 6: And the owner came out and spotted a sasquatch crossing
Speaker 6: the field from the direction of that station, and mentioned
Speaker 6: that this stuff was disappearing at a higher rate than usual,
Speaker 6: and kind of theorized that this thing was coming in
Speaker 6: there and helping itself. And so it's certainly possible that
Speaker 6: that was going on. But again also just a perfect
Speaker 6: ambush spot if for anyone or anything that's hunting mule
Speaker 6: deer or elk or for that matter, you know, take
Speaker 6: a take a bit of livestock from time to time,
Speaker 6: because they're all going to show up there at some point.
Speaker 4: And I'll just add that all those areas in New Mexico,
Speaker 4: those national forests, its elevated national forests, they all have
Speaker 4: a history of reported encounters. It's just that there's very
Speaker 4: few people in New Mexico, So you have to have
Speaker 4: people to encounter the sasquatch just to report them. So
Speaker 4: it may be in each of those areas, it may
Speaker 4: be a you know, a significant number of the animals
Speaker 4: there is so remote, there's so few people that actually
Speaker 4: visit those places that you know, and their creatures are
Speaker 4: so elusive, that they just may have a population there
Speaker 4: that this is largely undetected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's certainly more than enough land in New Mexico
Speaker 2: for these things, that's for sure. And you know, one
Speaker 2: of the things that intrigues me, I guess we know
Speaker 2: they're in New Mexico, right, that all these sky islands
Speaker 2: and these these highlands highlands that kind of pop out
Speaker 2: of the desert floor, they fully extend into Mexico proper,
Speaker 2: you know. So there are sasquatches in northern Mexico at least,
Speaker 2: and I'm confident they're in southern Mexico as well. I've
Speaker 2: personally spoken in Spanish to two witnesses who had seen
Speaker 2: these things down to the jungles. But you hear almost
Speaker 2: nothing at all from Northern Mexico. And it's maybe it's
Speaker 2: because of you know, they just don't have the time
Speaker 2: to look into it, because here in America we're blessed
Speaker 2: with leisure time. Basically, you know, there's enough we're not
Speaker 2: you know, scrambling for, you know, to make sure that
Speaker 2: our family can eat all the time and stuff. For
Speaker 2: most of us are have a little bit of leisure
Speaker 2: time to enjoy ourselves. And that's where the bigfoot thing
Speaker 2: comes in. And maybe that's not the case in some
Speaker 2: of those places in rural Mexico. Maybe there they don't care,
Speaker 2: maybe they don't notice, maybe there's some superstition involved or whatever.
Speaker 2: I personally think that a lot of the Sasquatch vocalizations
Speaker 2: in Mexico and even in southern United States as well,
Speaker 2: the vocalizations are probably attributed to La Orana, like the
Speaker 2: crying woman and who goes through the arroyos at night,
Speaker 2: you know, yelling for her drowned children, you know, crying
Speaker 2: and screaming. I think a lot of that is cats
Speaker 2: a various ways, you know, like bobcats and cougars and
Speaker 2: whatever else, and sasquatches. I think a lot of the
Speaker 2: noises are attributed to her, the folkloric, you know, mythological woman.
Speaker 2: But it's astonishing me that we don't hear more out
Speaker 2: of Mexico in that sort of way, you know, But
Speaker 2: I guess no one's really looking, well.
Speaker 4: Does that? Is there a possibility that perhaps those areas
Speaker 4: where where these these things are in those parts of Mexico,
Speaker 4: maybe they're more remote and the people are less connected,
Speaker 4: if you will, to you know, the people like you
Speaker 4: and us, people who actually look into this phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I would certainly think that's true. I
Speaker 2: would certainly think that's true.
Speaker 6: To address your other point about Mexico, this doesn't have
Speaker 6: to do with Mexico proper, but rather Central and South
Speaker 6: America with sasquatch type creatures I had mentioned, you know
Speaker 6: the book I'm working on some of the lesser known
Speaker 6: myths and legends out there regarding cryptids. One of the
Speaker 6: sections in it is called the Eight Men of South America.
Speaker 6: And so there's a strong history of bipedal heres to
Speaker 6: very large, smelly, screaming type animals in Central and South America.
Speaker 6: There's the d d, the Mono Grande, the map Bengueri
Speaker 6: and I'm sure I'm butchering accent and goes on and on.
Speaker 2: The Yukamar, the Achi.
Speaker 6: These are some names that describe Basically, what we would
Speaker 6: all say is a is a bigfoot and these are
Speaker 6: strong folklore legends and stories down there that are still
Speaker 6: you know, these animals are still seen. I won't say routinely,
Speaker 6: but they're still seen today. And so if I'm with
Speaker 6: Cliff and they're all I'm with you. As far as
Speaker 6: you know, I don't see how they would be in
Speaker 6: North America, in the lower forty eight of the United
Speaker 6: States and then disappear throughout all of Mexico and then
Speaker 6: just reappear in Central and South America. So they're up
Speaker 6: in there somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, political boundaries mean nothing to Allah, Yeah.
Speaker 6: But they're you know that Chihuahuan Desert is no joke,
Speaker 6: and that's a pretty inhospitable area, and that could have
Speaker 6: something to do with the two. But as you pointed out,
Speaker 6: you know, to have a sighting, you got to have
Speaker 6: the animal, but you also have to have people. So
Speaker 6: that maybe I would I think some sociology research might
Speaker 6: be in order as far as you know, what's the
Speaker 6: population in the northwestern Mexico. There just may not be
Speaker 6: very many folks at all. That could be a big
Speaker 6: part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really curious you know too. We had
Speaker 1: conversations a bit about it, but the habitat differences because
Speaker 1: you guys spent so much time in Area X, which
Speaker 1: is eastern deciduous forest, and Mike's come to southern Appalachia
Speaker 1: with me a few years ago, and then Darryl came
Speaker 1: out last year with me to southern Appalachia, and then
Speaker 1: I took him to an area of the Cumberland Plateau,
Speaker 1: which is still part of the Appalachian Uplift, but nonetheless
Speaker 1: is all eastern deciduous forest. And for those of us
Speaker 1: that spend a lot of time and places like that,
Speaker 1: we see the differences between southeast Oklahoma, southern Kentucky, northeast Georgia,
Speaker 1: but by and large it's the same flora and fauna.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit different geology, but obviously the HeLa
Speaker 1: Mountains are so very different than what we're all used to.
Speaker 1: You know how that struck you? Did you change your
Speaker 1: tax in the field, did you try some of the
Speaker 1: same old tricks, or was it more like where do
Speaker 1: we go?
Speaker 6: Well, a lot of our time was just eating up
Speaker 6: with trying to find that sighting location. We were determined
Speaker 6: or maybe stubborn, hardhead. It's a better way to put it,
Speaker 6: to find that. But as far as addressing your point,
Speaker 6: you can kind of equate it to the cattle ranching
Speaker 6: in East Texas where I'm from, versus the ranching that's
Speaker 6: going on out there in New Mexico where I'm from,
Speaker 6: where we get literally six feet six feet of rain
Speaker 6: a year down close to the coast and in the
Speaker 6: piny woods, versus what they're doing in New Mexico. You're
Speaker 6: raising cattle. In East Texas, you can run between three
Speaker 6: and five cattle per acre probably and there's plenty for
Speaker 6: all of them to graze and get nice and fat.
Speaker 6: In New Mexico you might need two acres per cow.
Speaker 6: And that's one thing we learned. These ranches out there
Speaker 6: are vast, but you're going to need much much more
Speaker 6: land to equal the grays that a cow in East
Speaker 6: Texas would have. And I think it's similar with the forest,
Speaker 6: and not just with the Sasquatch, but any creature. These
Speaker 6: deciduous forests that are so thick, almost jungle like, and
Speaker 6: they're so rich in resources. I think it was doctor
Speaker 6: John Bender Nagel who visited the Big Thicket years ago,
Speaker 6: and he made the statement that, uh, an animal here
Speaker 6: would need far a far smaller range than the same
Speaker 6: species of animal would need in the Pacific Northwest, which
Speaker 6: is predominantly coniferous forests. And it's kind of the same
Speaker 6: way there there in New Mexico. So I think your
Speaker 6: chances of running into one unless you can identify a
Speaker 6: specific attraction, as Cliff alluded to earlier, with the water,
Speaker 6: you know, you got to get they got it. They're
Speaker 6: going to have to get to water at least a
Speaker 6: couple of times a day. But everything's the same. You've
Speaker 6: got the same Western red pines and ponderosa pines and cedars,
Speaker 6: and you've got this dusty, hilly, rocky landscape and it
Speaker 6: just goes on and on forever. The territory is just
Speaker 6: so vast, whereas in these Texas one's a little One
Speaker 6: of these animals would be a little more apt well
Speaker 6: to not move as much, I think, because it wouldn't
Speaker 6: need to. I would suspect these Western animals have to
Speaker 6: be on the move a lot, and that's that was
Speaker 6: going to make them a little harder to bump into,
Speaker 6: because they're just going to have to be moving in
Speaker 6: order to collect the resources they need. Now, you know,
Speaker 6: black bears are doing fine out there, so there's no
Speaker 6: reason to think that a sasquatch could not and would
Speaker 6: not as well. But I do think that makes it
Speaker 6: a little more difficult out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just did some quick searching. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure our audience has heard me say many times that,
Speaker 1: you know, southern Appalachia, your average adult male black bear
Speaker 1: has a home range of around sixteen to eighteen square miles,
Speaker 1: and so it looks like out there the average range
Speaker 1: is anywhere from thirty five to sixty square miles for
Speaker 1: an adult.
Speaker 4: That makes sense. We did research for our paper on
Speaker 4: one of our papers on Area X. We found that
Speaker 4: in the Washingta Uplift area of eastern Oklahoma western Arkansas,
Speaker 4: the average home range for the black bear was anywhere
Speaker 4: from you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen miles. I mean
Speaker 4: it was very tight, very tight area, which which just
Speaker 4: as Mikey talked about, it suggests that you know, an
Speaker 4: animal will have a much smaller territory, you know, a
Speaker 4: much smaller core area, doesn't have to go as far
Speaker 4: to forage, to find food, water, you know, And we
Speaker 4: may have some factors like we have recently discovered about
Speaker 4: the orangutans that sometimes they may have adapted evolution, may
Speaker 4: have natural selection may have helped them to adapt, and
Speaker 4: maybe they don't. Maybe in New Mexico and in places
Speaker 4: like that, they don't need to get they don't have
Speaker 4: to get water so much per se. Maybe they can
Speaker 4: go maybe they can go days without actually drinking water,
Speaker 4: actual water. Maybe they get all the moisture they need
Speaker 4: from their food sources. Maybe they've you know, maybe they've adopted,
Speaker 4: have adapted that way, and and uh developed that way.
Speaker 4: Who knows, well.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people overlook the vast resources
Speaker 2: that are present in deserts. In general, human beings have thrived,
Speaker 2: not not survived, but thrived in desert environments for as
Speaker 2: long as they've been in them, essentially, I mean, and
Speaker 2: not not like you know, stark sandscapes of the Sahara,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. But you go to places
Speaker 2: that are pretty dramatic, you know, pretty extreme, like Death Valley,
Speaker 2: and you go to the archaeolo look at the archaeology
Speaker 2: of Death Valley and there are tons of you know,
Speaker 2: camps and in ways, you know, strategies. I guess that
Speaker 2: humans adapted to survive in some of the most extreme
Speaker 2: environments on the planet, and of course sasquatches have advantages
Speaker 2: and disadvantages as far as that goes. The disadvantage is,
Speaker 2: of course they're large size and their hair covering which
Speaker 2: would retain heat. But you know, in New Mexico you
Speaker 2: get snow a lot of you it's not exactly the
Speaker 2: same kind of desert as death Value is. It doesn't
Speaker 2: probably get to one hundred and ten and stay there
Speaker 2: for weeks at a time. You know, it's actually a
Speaker 2: much more mild climate in that sort of way temperature wise,
Speaker 2: But the food resources are are just it's huge, huge
Speaker 2: in desert.
Speaker 4: You just have.
Speaker 2: To expand, I guess what you're thinking. And sasquatches are
Speaker 2: obviously excellent at adapting to their environment. You know, their
Speaker 2: food resources change depending on where they live. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of For many years, people kind of poo
Speaker 2: pooed the idea of sasquatches being in the Majave Desert.
Speaker 2: But when you look at where they were seen, they
Speaker 2: were generally seen in dried river beds connecting to better habitats,
Speaker 2: and also at the base of the mountains, like basically
Speaker 2: right at the base of the Sierra Nevada Mountains in
Speaker 2: the Mohave Desert down there, that's a transition zone were
Speaker 2: what you get the benefits of two different biomes, and
Speaker 2: then the food resources that are present there. And New
Speaker 2: Mexico is a lot like that almost everywhere you go.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a little desert, little mountains sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And the food resources if you're interested in that, you know,
Speaker 2: like if you're interested in eating things like snakes and
Speaker 2: lizards and bugs and all those sort of things, which
Speaker 2: sasquatches certainly do. It's a cornucopia of food resources that
Speaker 2: are not available in other sort of more rush environments.
Speaker 2: And I think that a lot of times humans we're
Speaker 2: all victims of our own preconceptions. We think that there's
Speaker 2: no resources there and it's just not true. I mean,
Speaker 2: the mesquite plants, the various sage brushes, all these things
Speaker 2: have some nutritional value at some base level. And with
Speaker 2: the gut the size of a sasquatch, they're built for
Speaker 2: utilizing low resource foods. And of course they can catch
Speaker 2: rattle snakes without probably getting bitten very often, and they
Speaker 2: and lizards are probably no problem, just another tasty treat
Speaker 2: for them, you know, we have to look at it
Speaker 2: in that sort of way. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
Speaker 2: and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back
Speaker 2: after these messages.
Speaker 4: A couple of points about that Cliff that you brought up.
Speaker 4: The temperatures, they were very mild. So the first night
Speaker 4: we were caught unawares. We had checked the weather, but
Speaker 4: the weather was pretty inaccurate for where we were. We
Speaker 4: were about we were just under eight thousand feet and
Speaker 4: the first night got down into the upper thirties. From
Speaker 4: there on, every night, you know, in the in the
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night, I would say the
Speaker 4: temperature approached forty degrees fahrenheit. During the day, I think
Speaker 4: our highs were around seventy eight eighty degrees. Was very
Speaker 4: very mild in terms of temperature. We were not you know,
Speaker 4: we were not down on the desert floor. We were
Speaker 4: up and it was it was very much a Western
Speaker 4: you know, montane forest, ponderosa pines, alligator, juniper's scrub, oak,
Speaker 4: post oak. I mean, it was just it was very
Speaker 4: much a dense forest. Now I didn't have the understory
Speaker 4: that we're used to in the eastern half of the continent,
Speaker 4: but it was just a very rich forest, and the
Speaker 4: ungulate population is enormous. I mean, I can't tell you
Speaker 4: how many times how many elk we saw, mule, deer, pronghorn,
Speaker 4: And as I think all of us on this show today,
Speaker 4: I think all of us are subscribed to the you know,
Speaker 4: the the idea that that sasquatch just eat meat. I mean,
Speaker 4: I know, I know that I hold that, and so
Speaker 4: they they definitely have a rich diet there. You know,
Speaker 4: if I was eight feet tall and I could, you know,
Speaker 4: run bursts of thirty thirty five forty miles an hour,
Speaker 4: and you know, I could traverse mountains like nobody's business,
Speaker 4: then it would be no problem to stay well fed
Speaker 4: in that area, for sure.
Speaker 6: I was just going to agree with Cliff. Primates are
Speaker 6: famously resilient in many, many ways, and they can eat
Speaker 6: such a wide variety of things. And I have had
Speaker 6: a little pet theory for years that while I do
Speaker 6: believe there are certain areas of the country and the
Speaker 6: world that would be quote ideal habitat end quote, those
Speaker 6: are few and far between, and for a species of
Speaker 6: any kind to survive, there's going to have to be
Speaker 6: some adaptation, some changes, and some resilience, and I just think, again,
Speaker 6: my pet theory is that isolation is actually the number
Speaker 6: one requirement for these animals to not just survive, but
Speaker 6: possibly thrive in absence of us is number one. I think.
Speaker 6: I believe they will adapt, they will find something to eat,
Speaker 6: and they will survive. And again, anywhere where there's wildlife,
Speaker 6: like Darryl just alluded to, sasquatch is just another type
Speaker 6: of wildlife. And if these other species can adapt and
Speaker 6: make that adjustment, there's no reason to think one of
Speaker 6: these animals cannot do so as well. So again, I
Speaker 6: think the number one component for their survival is just
Speaker 6: isolation somewhere where they're going to be left alone, not harassed,
Speaker 6: and they'll figure it out like all these other types
Speaker 6: of wildlife have.
Speaker 4: Oh and it poured on us the last night, the
Speaker 4: last night we were there, it rained all night long.
Speaker 4: Thunderstorms started the day before off and on, and then
Speaker 4: when we turned in that night night we were wakened
Speaker 4: all night. In fact, Mikey got you got soaked pretty
Speaker 4: good because his rain fly failed to do its job. Sorry, Mikey,
Speaker 4: not laughing at you, but laughing with you.
Speaker 2: No, I think you are. That's okay, though, well, that's
Speaker 2: a serious situation in New Mexico. That's one of the
Speaker 2: few places that I almost was cut off from the
Speaker 2: roads due to flash floods when we were filming down there.
Speaker 2: It's like it started raining and raining pretty good for
Speaker 2: like an hour and that was it. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: you couldn't get back to the road because the river
Speaker 2: had raised to the such a level would have been dangerous
Speaker 2: to drive across what was previously dry an hour and
Speaker 2: a half before.
Speaker 6: Right, it comes it comes up so fast. It comes
Speaker 6: up so fast, but it also retreats pretty quick too.
Speaker 6: But you're right, you can find yourself in a jam. Fortunately,
Speaker 6: we were up at elevation and I had had a
Speaker 6: sleeping bag full of water. But other than that, you know,
Speaker 6: we weren't any danger as far as that goes.
Speaker 2: But you're right.
Speaker 6: We saw numerous flash flood waring type signs at low
Speaker 6: spots on the roads. We even saw one property that
Speaker 6: was for sale and it was right on what at
Speaker 6: the time was a dry creek bed, and we both theorized,
Speaker 6: I bet they're selling that because they keep getting flooded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the reasons I thought it'd be good
Speaker 1: to highlight not just that particular outing because it was
Speaker 1: relevant to our listenership, because that episode did so well,
Speaker 1: because it's such a fascinating story, but also, you know,
Speaker 1: the three of us used to collaborate in a very
Speaker 1: public way in the NAWAC and in the naaac's podcast
Speaker 1: that Darryl and I co produced and co hosted and
Speaker 1: that Mike was frequently on. But you know, since the
Speaker 1: three of us had parted the organization, we sort of
Speaker 1: maintained like ourselves and others. I always refer to it
Speaker 1: as like akin to the Invisible College, you know from
Speaker 1: back in the old Enlightenment era days, sort of like
Speaker 1: a non public network or you know, collaborative group of
Speaker 1: people operating together. And so you guys have come out
Speaker 1: with me, and we have more plans for you guys
Speaker 1: to come back out to the Southern Apple Actions. I
Speaker 1: came out to the Washingtons with you guys last summer,
Speaker 1: and so I just I thought it would be good
Speaker 1: because a lot of listeners write in and ask, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, we're still doing a lot of things that
Speaker 1: just might not always be under the moniker of you know,
Speaker 1: some acronym or you know, have a show dedicated to
Speaker 1: it or something like that. But I'm sure people would
Speaker 1: be really interested to hear, you know, what's in the
Speaker 1: pipeline or what else is coming up, or future plans.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I know we have plans, but you
Speaker 1: guys are still active there in Texas and elsewhere as well.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, we've got stuff planned. We're talking about
Speaker 4: future things, and we definitely, Mikey and I both we
Speaker 4: have not lost interest in the pursuit of the Sasquatch.
Speaker 4: We do it now in a very low key way,
Speaker 4: and hopefully the only way that you will hear about
Speaker 4: our stuff in the future is perhaps if something happens
Speaker 4: that is significant that maybe you'll hear about it then.
Speaker 4: But you know, we prefer to keep it on, just
Speaker 4: sort of fly under the radar, just do our our thing.
Speaker 4: And we all we also have a lot of other
Speaker 4: interests as we said, that keep us also engaged. And
Speaker 4: but yeah, we were planning to we're planning to head
Speaker 4: to uh eastern Oklahoma here in the next month, not
Speaker 4: not anywhere near the old area, but someplace new that
Speaker 4: we're very interested in. And and then we've got some
Speaker 4: things that we're talking about, you know, you know, head
Speaker 4: over and do some stuff with Maddie in the in
Speaker 4: the not too distant future, maybe this year, maybe a
Speaker 4: few months from now, and then we also want to
Speaker 4: get out west as as I told Cliff and Bobo
Speaker 4: a little earlier, we're talking about the Mogi on Rim.
Speaker 4: We would love to head to, uh, you know, northern California,
Speaker 4: some areas up there, love to head to Alaska. There's
Speaker 4: all kinds of places that we would like to go.
Speaker 4: And Mikey's retirement's on and hopefully, you know, god willing
Speaker 4: hit retirement is not too far away from for him,
Speaker 4: and I'm already retired, so we absolutely have the time now.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, anyway, very cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just learned so much from both of you
Speaker 1: guys being in the field and always have a tremendous time,
Speaker 1: and so I always prioritize that. And my work supports that.
Speaker 1: You're talking to my two bosses on the line right now,
Speaker 1: and I think they'll give me the time off if
Speaker 1: I need this.
Speaker 6: Well, one thing I'm also endeavoring to do is to
Speaker 6: get a new site up. And the idea is, I
Speaker 6: think we've been hamstrung for years as researchers in this topic,
Speaker 6: everyone's been very closed mouthed, not shared, sharing much information
Speaker 6: with each other and things like that. So the site's
Speaker 6: going to be called the Tentatively, it's going to be
Speaker 6: called the Cryptid Cooperative. And the idea behind it is,
Speaker 6: I want to connect researchers across the country. It's you know,
Speaker 6: certainly the public will be welcome to come in and
Speaker 6: read and contribute as those opportunities arive. But what are
Speaker 6: really I'm looking to do is connect researchers to each other.
Speaker 6: And I'm not looking for anyone to share their secret
Speaker 6: honey hoole and coordinates and things like that. But if
Speaker 6: say someone in the Olympic project stumbles into a strategy
Speaker 6: that has yielded results on a consistent basis, right, if
Speaker 6: we do this, this happens seventy five percent of the
Speaker 6: time we get activity. Well, you know what, maybe that
Speaker 6: would work in eastern Oklahoma too. Maybe that would work
Speaker 6: in Maine. Maybe that would work in the Everglades too,
Speaker 6: depending on whatever it is, maybe that would work in
Speaker 6: the Hila Mountains of New Mexico. It's more of a
Speaker 6: let's share techniques and what works and what hasn't worked,
Speaker 6: what equipment is worth the investment and what isn't you know,
Speaker 6: things like that kind of We hope to have a
Speaker 6: forum set up for those types of discussions and hopefully
Speaker 6: it will encourage people to share a little more. That
Speaker 6: was one thing I was working on toward the end
Speaker 6: of my tenure in AWAC was a little more cooperation
Speaker 6: with some other groups that were we believe were reputable
Speaker 6: and doing good work. And we got some members to
Speaker 6: come in from those from those organizations and help dual
Speaker 6: membership with and really quality people. And I think more
Speaker 6: of that is what we need, and I think we
Speaker 6: have to prioritize the goal. The conservation of the animal
Speaker 6: is still number one to me. But to protect it,
Speaker 6: we have to prove it's real. And our best chance
Speaker 6: of proving it to be real is going to have
Speaker 6: to be a little more cooperation among the people that
Speaker 6: and it's just a handful of very few people that
Speaker 6: are actually out there and doing the work, and that's
Speaker 6: going to be the drive behind the site. It's also
Speaker 6: going to because like I said, I have other interests,
Speaker 6: you know, the black panther enigma. We're going to be
Speaker 6: have a section for that. And then my number three
Speaker 6: on my list is the Ivory built woodpecker, which being
Speaker 6: a swamp rat from southeast Texas. Periodically somebody will come
Speaker 6: in to say they've seen one down there in the
Speaker 6: big Thicket country. And I would really not much would
Speaker 6: throw me more than to try to find something like
Speaker 6: that and it's not gone after all. That would be
Speaker 6: we need to take one of those trips, mikey Oh,
Speaker 6: I'd love to We need to take one of those
Speaker 6: trips to go, you know, we'll spend a week ten
Speaker 6: days out in Ivy Build woodpecker country and.
Speaker 4: Take a hot powered buyos out there and see what
Speaker 4: we can see. Would love to do that.
Speaker 6: But that's kind of the idea behind the Cryptid Cooperative website.
Speaker 6: That's going to be hopefully just a matter of a
Speaker 6: couple of weeks, we'll be up and running. And I
Speaker 6: was really gonna hoping to debut it at the Texas
Speaker 6: Bigfoot Conference in October, but it may be up and
Speaker 6: running even before that. And and so anybody and everybody
Speaker 6: that's interested in contributing, you know, I invite you now
Speaker 6: to when that when that's up and run and jump
Speaker 6: on there and let's you know, let's get this stuff done.
Speaker 6: Let's let's not be quite as secretive and even borderline
Speaker 6: hostile to each other as some of the groups have
Speaker 6: been in the past. I think I think we need
Speaker 6: to figure out some way to work together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll definitely post that once that's available. We'll
Speaker 3: post it to not only the listeners, but the membership
Speaker 3: here because, like I said, there's always a lot of
Speaker 3: questions for you guys. And in fact, once we had
Speaker 3: this book, I put it out to our membership section
Speaker 3: and said, hey, if you have questions for Dale and Mike,
Speaker 3: post them in the comments. So we do have a
Speaker 3: lot of questions for you guys. If you're willing to
Speaker 3: stick around for another hour or so and talk to
Speaker 3: our lovely membership.
Speaker 4: I'd love to.
Speaker 2: All Right, Bobo, get out, get us out of here,
Speaker 2: and we will head on over to the membership section.
Speaker 7: Gram the cops. So thanks to Daryl and Mike for
Speaker 7: joining us today. I always got a lot of good
Speaker 7: info and stuff going on. So thanks to those guys.
Speaker 7: Until next week, y'all keep it beyond squatchy. Nope, Nope,
Speaker 7: that sucked. It's not beyond squatchy, just squatchy. Try to again, Bobs.
Speaker 7: Until next week. Y'all, keep it squatchy.
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