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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely You Can't

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Be Serious Podcasts. My name is Jason Colvin. I got

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my buddy right here. Dee Graves, Hello everybody, and we're

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going back to the Fall of ninety one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're giving you a rerun episode. Last week we

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did Nirvana Nevermind. This week we're doing its competitor, Pearl

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Jam ten. And next week we will be coming to

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you with two new episodes on albums that all came

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out at the same time as these two albums.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Next week we start our discussion Metallica's Black album.

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We'll go through that track by track, give you the

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stories behind the band, what was going on at the time,

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the stories behind the songs. It's really fascinating. And then

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after that we'll compare it to Use Your Illusion one

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by Guns n' Roses and then use Your Illusion two

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by Guns and Roses.

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Speaker 2: We are excited to do it and we look forward

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to seeing you guys again next week, but for now,

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stay tuned for Pearl Jams ten.

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Speaker 1: Let me go grab my Mookie Blaylock Jersey real quick, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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Discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties

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and nineties pop culture with your co hosts James D.

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Graves and Jason Colbin.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. We are here for part two of the

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Nevermind and Ten Comparison. I am here with my buddy Jason.

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Speaker 1: What's up, hey doo man.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome wearing my flannel shirt, my knee length shorts,

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and my combat boots.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to do a stage dive right now, right

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into the middle of this podcast.

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Speaker 2: You know you talked to me to def Leppard about

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been waiting thirty five years to do this. This is

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one of those ones that I'd love to talk to

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anybody about anytime. It's been neat to do the deep

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dive into this and learn all this stuff. This was

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one of those albums growing up. I might have listened

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to this album from beginning to end more than any

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other album that I've ever listened to.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. I'm excited to get into it. That was

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hysteria for me. If I had a clicker every time

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I listened to it, that would be the highest one

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for me. That and Thriller probably, So.

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Speaker 2: Before we get going, I just want to point something out.

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We have been talking to each other now for a

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couple of years face to face, and one of the

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reasons that I can do that is because you don't

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have nose hair. Have you been talking to people and

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like you can't even concentrate on what they're saying because

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of their nose hair.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they like tuck to you, dangles, Yes, it wiggles.

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Speaker 2: It's a total distraction. Absolutely, And so let me let

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me say, if you are one of those guys, we

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have a product that is supporting the podcast that you

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need to check out. Is called the weed Whacker, and

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Speaker 1: It is an amazing product. It trims your nose hair.

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It's not embarrassing. You just stick it up there. It

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takes care of it.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna look at people and bother them, right,

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And those guys who's self conscious about my nose hair,

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So somebody that you're gonna see me and I'm gonna

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be like yanking them out and wincing in pain, don't

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do that. There is a special thing that they make

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they have just released something called the lawnmower if you

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have other areas of your body that you're looking to

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trim up. And I'd like to point out that a

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giraffe is easier to see in the planes than it

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is in the forest.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it is so.

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Speaker 1: Very It's very good around sensitive areas, if you know

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what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They have also an entire shavekit called the Ultra Smooth

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Package package. You get the idea.

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Speaker 1: So who doesn't want their package ultra smooth?

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Speaker 4: Whack it perfect.

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Speaker 2: In our research, I read that was ranked like number

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two hundred and seven out of best albums by Rolling

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Stone or something, which I just thought to myself, I

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could probably listen to two hundred and six albums and go, nope, nope.

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Speaker 1: Nope, Wow, this is number one for you. Huh.

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Speaker 2: It's really really good. I mean the you know, you've

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got some Pink Floyd albums that are fantastic from beginning

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to end out there, and just a very few others.

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But this is one that I just I love every

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single second of every single song on this album.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that's cool, because this is gonna be interesting

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because for me, three weeks ago, I am a Pearl

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Jam Greatest Hits kind of guy. I was not familiar

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with most of these songs.

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Speaker 2: For full disclosure, I was not one of those guys

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who became a Pearl Jam devotee after listening to this album.

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I love this album. I like a lot of the

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songs on a lot of the other albums, which I

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think a lot of people will say, now, this is

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the true Pearl Jam, but it just wasn't as much

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my taste as Ten was. Ten was their best by

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far album, and it's obviously their biggest selling album and

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the one that brought them into the public eye. But

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it may not be their favorite album, it may not

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be their fan base his favorite album, but it's definitely

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my favorite album.

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Speaker 1: I got a quick story about my experience with ten. Okay,

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spreen Break of ninety three, I go on a road

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trip with two of my roommates from college, Eric Mntoyer

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Doug Huggin, both friends of the show. So we drove

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to Boston from Oklahoma, City, Oklahoma, Holy Cow, which is

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a freaking long way for my roommate's crappy car. Right, So,

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all the way up and all the way back we're

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listening to ten. Well. On the way back, we hit

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the storm of the Century, crashed, the car, got snowed

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in for three days, we missed school, we were trapped

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in Knoxville, Tennessee. But the whole way we're listening to

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ten And I finally, I remember one time, I'm like,

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can we please listen to bon Jovi? Now that's where

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it was my first real experience with ten So ug Eric,

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thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would like to give you a hard time.

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I would, But honestly, I was not an early adopter

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on these guys either. I wasn't just as in love

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with them as a lot of my friends were at

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the time. It took me a little while, But honestly,

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at that time, I had just become introduced to some

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of the classic rock like I had just started really

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listening to Led Zeppelin, Leonard Skinner and some of those

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guys from the seventies, and I wasn't listening to anything new.

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I was just like, I don't care about new music.

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Nothing's good anymore, because I didn't realize, Hey, these guys

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are putting out stuff that's not like you know, Motley

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Crue and bon Jovi. Not that I disliked Bonjovi, but

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it was a time that I was turning my nose

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up at new music, especially new music that was like

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a whole new genre of music. But then once I

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gave Ten a chance, and once I started really listening

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to it and learning it, I was like, this is

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more similar to seventies rock than anything since the seventies.

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I was just like, this isn't new these I mean,

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Mike McCready is playing blue scale lead on this. This

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isn't something weird and fanciful. This is like a throwback

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to what was going on in the seventies and it's good.

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Speaker 1: Well, great, Well let's get into it, man. I can't

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wait to talk about it with you. Pearl Jam is

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born out of the shattered pieces of other bands. It's

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like they went to a garage sale of bands and

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pieced them together, mostly from a band called Mother Lovebone,

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which I had heard of but wasn't really familiar with

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their music.

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Speaker 2: There is such a storied history. There's so many things

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going on You've got the bands Malfunction, Green River, Shadow,

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and Bad Radio that are really the precursors to this band.

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Malfunction was a band that was led by Andrew Wood.

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Speaker 4: Oh if Jeff.

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Speaker 2: And It broke up. Green River was a band that

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Jeff Aimett and Stone Gossard were members of along with

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Mark Arm and Steve Turner. Now, Jeff and Stone had

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disagreements with Steve about the sound that they should be

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going for. Steve thought that they were too much into

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the hard rock scene and so he split, and then

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on a big label or that they should stay independent.

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Mark Arms said he would rather do an independent label.

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Jeff and Stone they wanted to be big. They wanted

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to be big stars and go with a major record label.

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Mark Arm and Steve Turner got together after that and

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which we talked about last episode, one of their biggest bands.

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Andrew Wood and they formed Mother Love Bone and they

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did really well. They had an EP come out called

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Shine and then it did pretty well, and then they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was still new. I listened to that today.

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I was not familiar with Mother Lovebone. Mother Lovebone is

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a whole lot closer to the hair metal band stuff

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that was going on at the time. I was actually

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very surprised. It sounded a lot to me like a

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combination of La Guns, Slaughter and Faster pussy Cat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Andy Wood, he was very much into the wanting

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to be a big rock star, big scene. Even when

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they were playing small clubs, he would he would treat

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, you in the back, this one's for you.

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guy in the back holding a beer like for me.

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kind of out front of Brother Love Bones.

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Speaker 2: So yeah. Andy Wood was also the roommate of Chris Cornell,

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who was the lead singer for Soundgarden.

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when he was talking to Chris Cornell. He was like,

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because where we come from, we would do anything to

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have do any other competing band. So Mother Lovebone does

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their full length LP, and then.

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Speaker 1: Andy Wood passes away, like four weeks before the release

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of Apple.

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Speaker 2: Apple was supposed to come out, I believe in April

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of nineteen ninety, and in March of nineteen ninety he

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overdosed on heroin and it was obviously not only devastating

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to the band because they were no longer a band,

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but devastating because they lost a dear friend who was

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someone who was exciting and full of life, just had

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a demon.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine you're right on the precipice of all

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your dreams coming true and then when of your best

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friends he dies and your dream dies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they talk about coming into the hospital,

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you know, just seeing him there on life support and

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it just being a memory that they can never escape.

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a bunch of young guys, you know, in their twenties

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to see if somebody that young lose somebody that young

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just too much. So what happened is that Stone Gossard

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he deals with the pain by going off and writing

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more music, deeper and kind of heavier music that he's

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writing Jeff Amott Quitch playing all together. He deals with

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it in a different way than that. And then Chris

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Cornell starts writing songs about the loss of his roommate

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and dear friend. And so Gossard is this guitarist who's

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writing these songs, and he remembers his buddy named Mike McCready.

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played guitar, but they had kind of, you know, enjoyed

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sending each other rock pictures. And then he remembers, hey,

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is they became pretty big. They got pretty proud of themselves.

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become big. And they went down to LA and basically

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got told you're not good enough to be down here.

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And that kind of devastated them. So like eighteen months

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after gets to la they go back to Seattle. In

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about six months after that, they're done. They're no longer

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a band, and he also quits playing guitar, cuts his hair,

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goes back to college. I mean, he's given up the dream.

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why don't you come to a concert with me. I

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think you're giving up on something that you're really good at.

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goes to the Stevie Rayvon concert and Stevie Ravon starts

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the song Couldn't Stand the Weather, And as he starts

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the song, these clouds roll in and it starts to

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storm on top of the audience. And then as soon

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as the song is over, the storm stops in the

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clouds part, and Michael Creedy said, it was like a

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religious experience. I knew I needed to pick the guitar

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back up. That's great, man, And so he goes. He

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starts playing with another band called Love Chili. Gossard sees

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him there, calls him up, says, hey, let's play some

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songs together and it's actually McCready that's like, hey, man,

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you've got some good stuff. We need to have a

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bass player. You need to call Jeff. And I believe

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response was f Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, it was because.

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Speaker 2: You know, they just they didn't get along, I say

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exceptionally well back then, even when they were another love

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bone together. But he swallowed his pride and he called

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them up and they got Matt Cameron, who was the

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drummer for Sound Garden, and they put together a demo

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tape and it was five songs and basically the point

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of the demo tape was to find a drummer and

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to find a lead singer.

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Speaker 1: This is a really cool story. So they send this

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tape to their buddy Jack Irons, who had formerly been

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in Red Hot Chili Peppers, right, and they said, Hey,

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we need a drummer, we need a vocalist. Are you

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interested in maybe drumming for us? And if so, great,

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If not, do you know any vocalists for us?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And he had a basketball buddy down in San Diego

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that he ran around with who had been in a

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couple of bands or whatever. It's this guy named Eddie

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Better maybe.

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Speaker 2: You've heard of him, No, you hadn't back then.

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Speaker 1: What are the odds that guys in Seattle make a

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demo tape send to a guy who not only listens

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to it but hands it over to one of the

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great rock vocalists of all time.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. I mean, he's he's working like security and

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a petroleum factory.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It is crazy. Eddie Vedder goes out surfing one night.

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He's got these tunes in his head and he kind

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of comes up with the lyrics as he's surfing. He

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basically comes back in sits down on the beach, and

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with sand still on his feet, writes the lyrics to

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what will become Once, what will become Alive, and what

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will become Footsteps, which he calls the Mama Son Trilogy

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because it's kind of got this mini opera type of

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feel where you have the mom and a son who

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have this weird incestuous relationship which then leads the son

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to become crazy and become a serial killer, and then

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like Footsteps, is the final act of the trilogy that

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you know, he's in prison and awaiting execution.

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Speaker 1: So he records his lyrics on top of the demo,

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sends it back to these guys they listen to it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to throw this in there because I

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don't think you're going to all of our listeners listen up.

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I don't think anybody else is going to give you

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this piece of information that I'm about to lay down

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to you. So if you look at the tape that

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he sent back, I used to do this when I

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was recording things, and you know, living by myself, I

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had no money either, and buying tapes to record on

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can be expensive. So what you can do is you

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can take a tape that's a commercially made tape, and

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if you just stick little pieces of paper in the

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top holes, you can record on it again. And so

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that's what you would do. And so I looked at

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this tape and I was like, holy crap, this is

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an actual tape of somebodies that he has taken and

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recorded on. Eddie Vedder recorded on this tape and then

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he used white out to wipe out everything except for

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one song title. One song title was a friend in California.

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You have no idea who that recognize. I'm wondering if

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anybody who's listening right now, has any idea what who

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sang a friend from California handwritten above that it says

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to Jeff and Stone. Then down at the bottom he

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also uses white out to wipe out all of the

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letters of the bottom part and it's just the letters

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that spell out Eddie. So I looked at this and

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I was like, I've got to figure out what this

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tape is. It was Merle Haggard Greatest Hits of the eighties.

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That was the tape that he decided to record.

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Speaker 1: Over my gosh, yeah, that is incredible. That's got to

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go on your Tribune card this week, so to cards

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going on for sure. That's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah, that's awesome.

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And he wrote his telephone number on there as well.

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I saw that when they showed it to him. I

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actually watched a video where the guy the interviewer, handed

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that tape to Eddie Vedder and he's like, oh, check

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it out, it's my telephone number. So when he sends

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it back to Stone, they listened to it and they're like,

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not only can he sing at all, but he can

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write lyrics. Yeah, I mean he's like a poet, right, Yeah,

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So he impressed him enough for them to fly him

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up to Seattle to audition yep.

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Speaker 2: And as he's going up, he writes the lyrics to

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two more songs. It was a five song deal. Writes

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the lyrics to two more songs, so he's got all

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of them written, and he arrives up there and they're

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in the middle of starting to do this Temple of

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the Dog thing with Chris Cornell. Mike McCready comes in

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and I'm just gonna say this right now, Mike McCready

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is maybe one of the most underappreciated guitarists that I

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can think of. He is a rock god who deserves

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more credit than he gets. He deserves to be up

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there with Hendrix and Stevie ray Vaughn and Eddie Van Halen.

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I mean, he is phenomenal. And so Chris Cornell. You know,

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the grunge scene, the alternative scene was all against, you know,

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doing these big, long guitar solos. You know, we talked

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about Nirvana. You don't the guitar solo is just a

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melody of the words, you know. But Chris Cornell was

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just of like, f all of you guys. I'm going

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to put a five minute guitar solo on the first

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song on this album. What do you think about that?

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And so he said he almost had to yell at

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Mike McCready because he was like, you play guitar so

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freaking good. You're the one guy who I want to

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play a five minute guitar solo on my first eleven

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minute long song. It's solid. I mean, it's not you

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can see his progression as time goes on. You know,

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it's not his best work, but man, it's still really good.

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You know.

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Speaker 1: Chris Cornell was in a position to really help out

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the band too, when he was doing this Temple of

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the Dog thing and they're doing Hunger Strike. They're like,

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you know, hey, we've got a new singer, and he's like, well,

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we'll bring him on board. Man, let's get him going

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and he can sing with me and we can go.

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And so that was actually the first time that Eddie

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Vedder ever heard himself on an actual wreck.

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Speaker 2: Chris Cornell was basically like, I kind of have this

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idea for how I want the other vocal part to

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go in this, and he said and then suddenly Eddie

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just started singing it, and it was as if he

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already knew what I had had planned, like he had

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just knew it. And Hunger Strike is you know the one,

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the major duet that they do on that one now,

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but I love that song so good. So you know,

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Eddie Vedder arrives, they're introducing people. But when they first

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when he first arrives, he's like, I don't want to

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do anything. I want to go straight to the rehearsal.

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I don't want to see the town, I want to

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do any touristy stuff. I want to go and I

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want to start playing right away. And for the next

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five days they rehearse, and on day number six they

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do their first show.

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Speaker 1: I think it's awesome. I believe his term was I'm

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not here to frn.

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Speaker 2: If you listen to the songs, especially Alive from that

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demo tape that he had sent back, I mean, there's

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not a whole lot different honestly, from the way that

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he originally did the lyrics and the way they originally

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played it to what the song is on the final

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ten album.

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Speaker 1: Talk about their name, I'm ready tribute to the name.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we know that they started playing sessions,

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they started playing shows right off the bat. They started

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opening for Alison Chains. But the name under Allison Chains

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was not Pearl Jam.

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Speaker 1: That's right, it wasn't. It was Mookie Blaylock. So if

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you're a basketball fan, especially a nineties basketball fan, then

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you know who this guy is. Yeah, if you were

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born and raised in Oklahoma, like I was right, you

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recognize this guy from college because he played at Miama Mater,

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the University of Oklahoma. He truly is one of the

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great defensive players of all time, led Leagan Steeles, that

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type of thing, and in college, man, he'd press it

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all the way up the court. And these guys were

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big basketball fans, and they were big fans of Mookie Blaylock,

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who at the time, I know he played with the

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Atlanta Hawks.

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Speaker 2: New Jersey Nets was who he was playing for at

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the time if they adopted his name.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, the original name for the band Mookie Blaylock.

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Speaker 2: They got together, they started rehearsing in the fall of

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nineteen ninety Eddie moves up in like November, they start

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doing all of the shows and by March they start

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doing their demo recordings at the London Bridge Studio there

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in Seattle. They signed with a major record label and

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guess what you can't be Mookie Blaylock in here.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Mookie Blaylock doesn't know who five scrabs

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from Seattle are at the right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as a security guard. The other guy's working at

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a coffee shop. And another guy used to work at

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a pizza place. Oh, here's an interesting bit of trivia

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as well. The guy that worked at the pizza place

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was Mike McCready. He worked at the pizza place with

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the guy named Pete Druge, who has a song that

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you may or may not recognize called if you Don't

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Love Me, I'll Kill Myself And it's from the movie.

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Speaker 1: That's from Dumb and Dumber.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, Mike McCready and the guy who sang

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that song used to work in the same piecha shop

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to get.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that is incredible, What a great nugget that is.

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I am a huge Dubb and Dumber fan, which we're

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going to cover one of these days. But anyway, the

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record company says, Okay, you guys can't be Mookie blay Like.

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You got to pick something else, right, So they do

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eventually form the name Pearl Jam right, right, And so

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the way they came up with this. I thought this

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was at least interesting, although a little anti climactic. They

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kind of liked the name Pearl. It was Eddie Vedder's

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great grandmother's name. Yeah, and Jeff just kind of thought, Okay,

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that's kind of a cool word. Yeah, And then they

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went to a Neil Young concert where he would just

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play these extra long, extended versions of these songs pearl Jam.

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Speaker 2: Right pro jam. Yeah, it's it's not as exciting as

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what you would hope it would be. And so what

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Eddie Vedder did right after they became famous was to

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lie about where it came from.

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Speaker 1: I heard this story too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as he's like, no, I had a great grandmother

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named Pearl and she was married to a Native and

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America and she used to make this Paoti lace jam

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and they will get you high and stuff. But yeah,

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later on he's like, no, that was bs.

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Speaker 1: That was a lie. Yeah, all right, So then they

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become Pearl Jam. Their first album is going to be

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called ten.

474
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: Which is eleven songs.

475
00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: Why it's called ten because that's Mookie Blaylec's number.

476
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,799
Speaker 2: Oh that was a setup. By the way, I totally

477
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:22,160
such show.

478
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for me right there, appreciate.

479
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,279
Speaker 2: That We've talked before with Van Halen and with def

480
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,240
Leppard about MTV being in, you know, the right place

481
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:34,440
at the right time for these bands. What interestingly happens

482
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:37,519
for this one is that independent record label that I

483
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:40,519
talked about last episode called sub Pop. There's a neat

484
00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:43,240
little thing that Subpop does. The first interesting thing they

485
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,200
figure out is if if they don't make as many records,

486
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,400
they created a demand because people were like, oh, you

487
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,440
can't get these because they only made you know whatever,

488
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,400
five hundred of them or whatever. So they do that

489
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,640
little trick to increase the value of their records. And

490
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,839
then the other trick that they learned is they realized

491
00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:04,519
that all music movements started with a regional base. You know,

492
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,359
you look at Motown and its base was Detroit. So

493
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,319
they thought, Okay, we're going to make Seattle. We're going

494
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,759
to make that region our regional base for this big

495
00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:16,559
music movement. And they're a large part of why grunge

496
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,640
and why alternative music from Seattle became as big as

497
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,319
it did because they had this crazy idea that they

498
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,920
engaged in in March of nineteen eighty nine. And these

499
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,960
are like a small time don't know what they're doing,

500
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,640
just trying to get their feed under them, guys. But

501
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:36,359
they said, let's get the most important reporter from Melody

502
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,319
Maker over in Europe to come over here. Will fly

503
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,119
him over, will act like we're big time. We'll show

504
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,559
them the Seattle scene and the Seattle sound and hopefully

505
00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:48,440
he'll write a good article about it. Well, that's exactly

506
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,559
what happens, and that is exactly what he does. And

507
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,599
all of a sudden everyone becomes obsessed with the Seattle

508
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,680
sound and that was the impetus behind people latching on it.

509
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,480
You know, as with all things, it takes a little

510
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,279
offer these things to happen. But the fascination with Seattle

511
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,359
and kind of the grunge sound and the grunge look

512
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,599
became a thing largely because of subpop and then, I mean,

513
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,319
quite frankly, Pearl Jam enjoyed the success on ten that

514
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,519
it did part because of the Seattle sound trick, and

515
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,039
then also because of Nirvana.

516
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:24,799
Speaker 1: For people who enjoy pop culture like you and I do. Yeah,

517
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,920
it's fascinating to see when the lit match and the

518
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,039
gasoline meet.

519
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: And what's interesting with this one is how quickly the

520
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,519
word grunge became a dirty word to all of these guys.

521
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Like every rebellion against the establishment begins with someone saying, hey,

522
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,559
you know, we don't want to we don't want to

523
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:48,279
do what the man is wanting us to do. We're

524
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:50,400
going to do our own thing. Then it starts to

525
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,720
gain traction. People join in, it becomes like a movement,

526
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,880
and then the establishment sees it and it's like, oh, hey,

527
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,920
we can market this and we can pay its badly

528
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:03,039
and we'll make it our own. And then the movement

529
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,480
becomes the new establishment. And that's what happened with rock

530
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,680
and roll in the early eighties, what happened with heavy

531
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,920
metal in the mid to late eighties, and that's what

532
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,319
happens now with the grunge music in the Seattle scene,

533
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,039
is it's the rebellion against heavy metal, and then it

534
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,519
turns into the new heavy metal where you know, then

535
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:26,160
Versace is selling grunge style in magazines and stuff, and

536
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:36,599
so it quickly became the establishment. Okay, right, So just

537
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,880
a few musical influences. Eddie likes The Who and Michael

538
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,680
Jackson and the Jackson Five. Mike McCready likes Funkadelic and

539
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:52,359
def Leppard and van halen Stone likes rap. All of

540
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,640
them were into ice Cube at the time that they

541
00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:03,640
that he was becoming good. Kurt Cobain said some kind

542
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,400
of negative things about them when they first came out,

543
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,759
like He's like, they're just hard rock, They're just another

544
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,799
hard rock band wearing our clothes. That they're not really

545
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,920
a true alternative, a true grunge band, and it kind

546
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,279
of was upsetting to Eddie, and Eddie gave him a

547
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,480
call and Kirk Cobain kind of changed his tune a

548
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:23,440
little bit and said, I'm not going to say anything

549
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,599
bad about him. I don't like their music and I

550
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480
never have, but I like Eddie Vetter. He's a nice guy,

551
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,839
and so I'm not going to say ugly stuff about

552
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:31,279
them anyway.

553
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: I do think that's interesting. I don't think Kurt Cobain

554
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,480
is wrong. I mean, I think that pro Jam is

555
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:39,240
a hard rock band with grunge elements, and I think

556
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,519
that Nirvana is kind of a punk band with pomp

557
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,519
and grunge elements. And they're from the same area, so

558
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,440
there are similarities, but they're from there. They form different trees, you.

559
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,559
Speaker 2: Know, sure. And I mean, if you listen to any

560
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:52,720
of the bands out of Seattle. They all have kind

561
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:55,400
of a different sound. It is not as though they're

562
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,920
all playing the same type of music.

563
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: Well, I did hear Cameron Crow say that one of

564
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,480
the reasons why they had formed this kind of Seattle

565
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:04,960
sound was that because of the weather, they had a

566
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,759
lot of time to play. They're indoors, they had a

567
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:09,279
lot of time to play, and they had a lot

568
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:11,440
of time to listen to music, and so because of

569
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,640
the just the weather situation, that's just kind of what

570
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,279
it lends itself to.

571
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: Well, certainly the sound of the music is different. I mean,

572
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,359
the sound of the music of Nirvana and the sound

573
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,480
of the music of Pearl Jam is very distinct. You

574
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,880
would not confuse them. But just like Metallica brought brains

575
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,400
to heavy metal, Pearl Jam brought relevance and depth and

576
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,640
you know, meaning to hard rock which had been missing

577
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,279
for a while. You know, they were doing hard rock,

578
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,200
but the lyrics were about the loneliness and the confusion

579
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:45,920
of youth. And I think that's why they are appropriately

580
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,599
in with this group of new sound, the revolution that

581
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:57,079
was occurring. We didn't talk about the drummers. Honestly, it's

582
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,039
kind of confusing it.

583
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: Is confusing.

584
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,319
Speaker 2: They went through like three different drummers, but basically Dave

585
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,400
Krusen was the one who was on the album ten

586
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,279
and he's the one that played for them. He eventually

587
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:13,880
went into rehab almost right after the album was finished,

588
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,079
and so he was replaced by Matt Chamberlain, who had

589
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:20,119
been the drummer for Eddie Burkel and the New Bohemians,

590
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,039
and then he got an opportunity to be on Saturday

591
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,359
Night Live with Saturday Night Live Band, so he was like, sorry, guys,

592
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,000
I'm not going to keep dumming for you, and that

593
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,519
he recommended David Brusies to be the drummer, and he

594
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:34,480
was this guy out of Texas and it's really interesting

595
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,599
and I'll jump ahead a little bit, but in one

596
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,640
of the videos, Mike Chamberlain is the one playing the

597
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,480
drums and David Bruises is one of the guys out

598
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:47,359
in the crowd because he's just arrived from Austin, X.

599
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,400
The album actually starts off with the sounds of a

600
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:00,599
hidden track. The hidden track is called mass Your Slave,

601
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,599
and so if you listen to the beginning out of

602
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,200
the album and the end of the album, it's the

603
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,160
same tune. But it's just a real brief, you know,

604
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:11,759
kind of taste of master and Slave, and then we

605
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:13,480
open with Once.

606
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: The hidden track on ten Yeah is not near as

607
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:32,039
offensive as the hidden track on the Nirvana album.

608
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,599
Speaker 2: The hidden track on Tin is good, and.

609
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like it's like a cracker. It's

610
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000
like there's not really much substance to it. It's just

611
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:43,960
kind of little drums and that's it. It's not a

612
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:45,440
nail being driven into your brain.

613
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: It's a cool sound. It's kind of gets you in

614
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,599
a mood, and it's definitely not something that when the

615
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,319
guy comes in to mix the CD and nobody else

616
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,680
is there, he thinks, you know, this is a mistake.

617
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,079
This shouldn't be in here. This is completely crap.

618
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: This is garbage. We need to throw it away right.

619
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: Once. The first song on the album was originally called

620
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:17,480
a Jitian Crave, and that was just what Stone Gossard

621
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,640
had called it whenever he sent the demo tape. But

622
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,920
it is part of that Mama Son mini opera that

623
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,279
Eddie Vedder had written.

624
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: This song was on the demo tape, the Stone Gossard

625
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,599
Demos ninety one right right, and that Eddie Vedder got

626
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:31,039
ahold of okay, yes.

627
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: And so when they did the single release for Live,

628
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:36,680
this song was on the B side for that one.

629
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,880
You know, and Alive, as I said before, was also

630
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,359
part of that Mama Son mini opera. But this one

631
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,359
is the one that is the story of the descent

632
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,559
into madness where he ultimately becomes a serial killer, you know,

633
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,119
backseat lover on the side of the road, got a

634
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,920
bomb in my temple and it's going to explode. They

635
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,039
did this one, as with many of them, on their

636
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:01,880
performance in October twenty second, ninety that very I don't

637
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,039
remember it's their first or second performance, but right.

638
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,799
Speaker 1: Right off the bat they're performing this. This is kind

639
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,079
of a hard rocker song. This is I mean, it's

640
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:11,039
a pound your fist. The crowd is kind of dropping

641
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:12,039
their head and let's.

642
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: Go right yeah, it's angry.

643
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,599
Speaker 1: It's angry. This song received some radio play. I was

644
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,599
familiar with this song when let me start this.

645
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: The next one we have is even flow. Man, what

646
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:44,759
a freaking great song this is. I'm afraid that I'm

647
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:48,119
just gonna gush over every single one of these. Pull

648
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:49,440
it back just a little bit, all right.

649
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: That's the way I felt when we did Hysteria, so.

650
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so this one is the picture of a

651
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,400
homeless man, and I mean that's evident from the lyrics.

652
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,000
You know that even flow is this guy with problems,

653
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,960
mental problems probably, and thoughts that he has to drive

654
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,960
away and chase away, and an insane look whenever he smiles.

655
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,759
And it turns out he's based on an actual guy,

656
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,039
a Vietnam vet that Eddie Vedder met, whose name was

657
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,160
also Eddie, who ended up passing away.

658
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,039
Speaker 1: The cool thing to me. In two thousand and eight,

659
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,480
Eddie Vedder said this song was written underneath the space Needle.

660
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

661
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:27,759
Speaker 1: I mean there's three things I know about Seattle. I

662
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,079
know the Seahawks, I know the Mariners, and I know

663
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:33,240
you know Fraser and the space needle. That's it, right,

664
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:37,079
I guess that's four things. But this song took forever

665
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:37,680
to get it right.

666
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

667
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:42,119
Speaker 1: They played it like fifty sixty seventy times and some

668
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,440
members of the band are still dissatisfied to this day.

669
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:48,079
Speaker 2: They did a couple different versions of it ultimately, and

670
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,480
one of them they recorded with the drummer David Bruisey.

671
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:54,359
When that's the one that appears on the singles soundtrack.

672
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,759
So a couple of nights ago I watched singles. It's

673
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:02,160
fascinating because Cameron Crowe had heard about the death of

674
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,559
Andy Wood. He had this kind of storyline idea and

675
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:09,639
decided to go up to Seattle and hang with these bands,

676
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,280
and he ends up casting. I mean, you've got Alison

677
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,440
Chains performing on stage. You've got Chris Cornell standing next

678
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:19,960
to Matt Dillon as he's cranking up the volume on

679
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,000
his girlfriend's speakers that he's just installed, and then all

680
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,920
the windows blow out, and Chris Cornell is just watching.

681
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,320
It's just kind of nod in his head like yeah.

682
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,840
And then Matt Dillon is the lead singer for this

683
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,519
band called Citizen Dick whose major song has touched me

684
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:44,280
on Dick. But his band is Eddie vedder Stone Gossard

685
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,639
and Jeff Amott. I mean, it's the Yes, there's a

686
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,119
couple of different scenes that they're in, but it's fascinating

687
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,800
because they are making this movie at the same time

688
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,440
that these guys are putting this album together. Like none

689
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,199
of them are famous. Chris Cornell is Seattle famous and

690
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,760
Alison Chains is Seattle famous. But the guys that they

691
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,599
got to play the members of Matt Dylan's band. They

692
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,800
were no ones at the time other than that he

693
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,639
was able backed by Stone and Jeff and drum Ready better.

694
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's good, that's a good revie.

695
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,079
Speaker 5: A compliment for us is a compliment for you?

696
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,039
Speaker 1: Even Flow is the second single released. It was released

697
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,719
April sixth, nineteen ninety two. Yeah, so this is released

698
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,679
in ninety two and it's the fifth most played song

699
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,760
on the radio during the twenty tens. Yeah, in twenty tens.

700
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: Because every single one of these songs have staying power.

701
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,800
This one. Just to talk musically, Stone Gossard use an

702
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,159
open D tuning and then Mike McCready says, yeah, I

703
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,880
just kind of ripped off Stevie Rayvaughan.

704
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: This song's very different than anything rock that I had

705
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,559
been hearing at the time. But the vocalizations kind of

706
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:56,440
staccato is it's different. It's very different. Yeah, but I

707
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,559
mean super great. I mean, this is a song that

708
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,960
I was a late adopter to but ultimately came to love.

709
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:05,119
Speaker 2: Did you have a little bit of trouble learning to

710
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:05,880
speak any better?

711
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Oh? I still don't know what he's saying.

712
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: I mean, the worst, the worst and most famous of

713
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:16,559
the unintelligible any Better lyrics. It comes from Yellow Leadbetter

714
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,000
for This Day. I don't know that I know what

715
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,559
one single line of that song is as good as

716
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,880
it is. But Kim Thale, the guy who's the guitar

717
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,079
player for Sound Garden, I mean, you get to think

718
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:28,800
about what this song is about, right, It's about It's

719
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,960
about homelessness. And you know this guy with a concrete

720
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,119
pillow and he when he went and heard them live,

721
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,960
he thought it was called evening Flow. It was like,

722
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:41,920
you know, like how everyone's like in the evening, it's

723
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,920
just kind of a flow and we're on like a

724
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:45,480
good time.

725
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

726
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,519
Speaker 2: So the video on this one, they had recorded this

727
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:55,440
video where the thick guy came in and he recorded

728
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,920
all these zoo scenes of animals and the band was

729
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,239
kind of air playing their instruments on the edge of

730
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,480
this cliff. But once they got the footage, they're like, well,

731
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,719
this was a colossal waste of time and money. And

732
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,159
so what happened was they still had the video, but

733
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,800
it was done by this guy named Josh Taft who

734
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,840
was just filming as a friend. He's a friend of

735
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,199
Stone Gossards. He had directed Alive and later on directed Oceans,

736
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:24,159
but he was there just filming this footage. But on

737
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,719
the full length video of this, which you didn't typically

738
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,320
see on MTV, Eddie Vedder starts the video by going,

739
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:34,320
this is not a TV studio, Josh hurt these lights out.

740
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:36,239
It's an effing rock concert.

741
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,519
Speaker 1: I watched this video today and I'm like, this can't

742
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,679
be the official video. He's yelling at people.

743
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Eddie video had aversion to videos at all. Really,

744
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:50,960
And it's interesting on the album you don't hear the

745
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,239
end piece on this. They released this in the UK first,

746
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,559
but it says I died. I died and you just

747
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,079
stood there. I died and you watch I died and

748
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:04,840
you walked by and said no, I'm dead. I was like, wow,

749
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,920
how did I never hear that before? Because it's not

750
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,320
on the album, but it is in the video.

751
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: So third track on the album is called Alive.

752
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,599
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're head banging right now. It is really appropriate.

753
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: Oh man, This song is so good man. This was

754
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,960
their first single, released July seventh, ninety one.

755
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 5: Is so good.

756
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I knew that you would love this song

757
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,679
because this song has the most mass appeal. This is

758
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,840
the most radio friendly one of the bunch, for sure.

759
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 5: I got number.

760
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: All right. So this song starts off with son, She says,

761
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,039
have I have a little story for you. What you

762
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:05,199
thought was your daddy was nothing, But while you were

763
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:08,920
sitting home alone at age thirteen, your real daddy was dying.

764
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,280
So this is an actual event that occurred in Eddie

765
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,599
Vedder's life. He okay, he had a conversation with his

766
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:17,719
mom where he finds out that the man that he

767
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,880
thought was his dad his entire life is not his dad.

768
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,360
And you know this. Of course they didn't get along

769
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,000
particularly well, so this is a big realization for him.

770
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,960
And then he finds out that his real dad. Not

771
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,039
only did he not know that it was his real dad,

772
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,000
but he knew the guy like he was just like

773
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,880
somebody he thought was a family friend. And then he

774
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,800
finds out not only hey, this guy was my dad,

775
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,119
but he died a few years ago. So he has

776
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,400
never had that opportunity to bond with him, and his

777
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,719
mom kind of treats it's like it's no big deal,

778
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,239
which is, you know, the underlying emotion behind this whole

779
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,840
song is pretty intense.

780
00:39:53,000 --> 00:40:00,119
Speaker 1: Man, that's a sad story.

781
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:56,679
Speaker 5: Yeah.

782
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: So this song was originally recorded January in nineteen ninety

783
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,440
one as a part of a demo session. Yeah, which

784
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,280
during the recording of ten, they couldn't recreate the intensity

785
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,679
of that original demo, so they went back and took

786
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,360
that demo and kind of corrected it and improved it,

787
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:21,480
and that's what you got.

788
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,679
Speaker 2: This one was one that Stone Gossard had actually written

789
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,360
while he was still with Mother Lovebone and apparently Andy

790
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,199
Wood saying some sort of lyrics to it. It was

791
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,280
when they sent out the demo tape. This was the

792
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,079
one that he called Dollar Short and Mike McCready when

793
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,679
they play this one live, we'll go into the Black

794
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,760
Sabbath Warpigs solo at the end of this one.

795
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,519
Speaker 1: Speaking of that guitar solo, yeah, Mike McCready said that

796
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:51,199
he based this on Ace Freeley's solo in the Kiss

797
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,920
song She.

798
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: Yes, which he said was based on the Doors song

799
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,000
five to one. I stole it from Kiss, but they

800
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,679
stole it from the Doors. This is the video, by

801
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:06,119
the way, that you have the live footage on where

802
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,639
you see Chamberlain drumming and David Bruce's in the audience.

803
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,039
Speaker 1: It's a neat little nugget right there. Okay, So song

804
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,440
number four on the album, the song is called why Go.

805
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,079
Speaker 2: Again? I love it. It kicks butt. Now, this is

806
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,840
one that it didn't get as much radio play as

807
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,320
some of the other songs on it. So what did

808
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,639
you think about it when you heard it first?

809
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,119
Speaker 1: Well, I'd like it. It's kind of a head bobber.

810
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:37,840
It's a definitely probably one of those songs that you

811
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,760
hear in concert and everybody's like, yeah, freaking awesome. But

812
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:42,679
when I listened to the album, I would say this

813
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,079
is definitely the lower third of the album.

814
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,079
Speaker 2: Honestly, I put all of these songs almost at a

815
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:51,360
tie for perfect, but this one is. I just like

816
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,719
the imagery that he does with this one. I mean,

817
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,920
the song begins with she scratches a letter into a

818
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,599
wall made of stone, Maybe someday another child won't feel

819
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,199
as alone, And it's about this girl who's, you know,

820
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,519
struggling in this mental facility of some kind you can

821
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,559
tell from the lyrics of the song. And then, as

822
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:13,320
it turns out, this was actually some real girl that

823
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,440
Eddie Vedder had read about like thirteen years old. Her

824
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,760
parents catch her smoking pot and send her to a

825
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,079
hospital over smoking pot, and she refuses to say that

826
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:27,159
she's got anything wrong with her, so ends up staying

827
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:31,000
two years in the hospital because the doctors, you know,

828
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:44,960
want to argue that she's crazy. And in the liner notes,

829
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:48,079
he dedicates the song to a girl named Heather, So

830
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,119
if anybody's got more information on who Heather is out there,

831
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:55,760
sorry about your situation. Thank you for inspiring a awesome song.

832
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: Now, then, this is a song that I'm very familiar

833
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,440
with that I want to get into. This song is

834
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,039
called black.

835
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: Let's just soak an instrument.

836
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: Let's just pause and appreciate the beauty of this song.

837
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 5: Geez word, bird o passbody.

838
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: Even Black was voted the ninth best ballad of all

839
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,760
time by the readers of Rolling Stone. You know this

840
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,000
song even though I'm familiar with it from the radio,

841
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:50,360
it wasn't released as a single.

842
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the record label urged the band to release this

843
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,840
song as a single, but they refused it. They said, no,

844
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,960
we will not release this as a single, And Eddie

845
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:00,880
Vetter went so far as to call radio stations to go, hey,

846
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:03,760
did the record label send you a single of this?

847
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,599
Because I told them not to. They better not be

848
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:10,199
doing that, but the record label didn't. The radio stations

849
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,239
just chose to play it anyway because they appreciated how

850
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,119
awesome it was. But Eddie Vedder said, some songs just

851
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,199
aren't meant to be between hit number two and hit

852
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,280
number three. It was too emotional, it was too meaningful

853
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,800
to him to put it in that category.

854
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: You know, we can talk all day about what Pearl

855
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,800
Jam has done in regards to their fame and their popularity,

856
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,199
but refusing to send their best songs to be played

857
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:41,159
on the radio, it's so interesting to me that they

858
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,920
shun that type of I mean, bon Jovi whores out

859
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:44,920
their albums like crazy.

860
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,679
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they had the same type of

861
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,559
experience that Nirvana had, which was they have almost a

862
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:55,880
literal overnighte success, and theirs was a little bit longer

863
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,880
than Nirvana's was. But Nirvana had been together for quite

864
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,239
a while, had released another album before never Mind became

865
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,400
the big overnight success that it was. These guys had

866
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,119
literally gotten to I mean, they had gotten together in

867
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:14,159
the fall of nineteen ninety and by nineteen ninety two,

868
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:19,199
this thing is exploding and they're playing Lollapalooza with these

869
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,679
giant arenas and Eddie Vedder like Kurt Cobain was just like,

870
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:26,239
I don't want to be here instantaneously. I wanted to

871
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,920
go through years of roughing it and playing small clubs

872
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,920
and doing these things. I didn't want the overnight success.

873
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:36,480
This is one that This is about as close to

874
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:38,239
a love song as they get on this album, and

875
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,880
it really hits home for me and I think it

876
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,440
does for so many people. It's about the heartbreak of

877
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,239
losing a love. The lyrics, like many of his lyrics,

878
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,320
are kind of vague and paint a picture but don't

879
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,480
give you vivid details. But he said, you can't really

880
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:56,199
have a true love unless it was a love unrequited,

881
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,320
And I was like, wow, too beautiful.

882
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,679
Speaker 1: You know when we talked about radio stations not receiving

883
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,159
this as a single, but they were playing it anyway. Yeah,

884
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,920
it reached all the way to number three on the

885
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:18,599
Hot Rocks chart.

886
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:20,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.

887
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good. I like at the very end

888
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,079
that little to me, that's where the song really comes together.

889
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,400
After Black, we now go into what I think is

890
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,679
the best song on the entire album, Jeremy.

891
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: So you sent me a video today? By this guy

892
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:57,199
named Rick Beato, which I hadn't seen before, that is

893
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,920
called what Makes This Song Great? At the Five Pearl Jam,

894
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:05,440
and they look at he looks at Jeremy, and my

895
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,039
response to you was, this is so musically over my

896
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:14,320
head that I can't possibly begin to even relays. But

897
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,800
I can just tell you, as someone who does have

898
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,760
some musical experience, holy crap. I didn't realize all of

899
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,639
the intricacies that they had going on on this, and

900
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:27,239
to be such a world famous hit and to do

901
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,440
all of the strange things that they're doing on this one,

902
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,239
I'm just like, holy smokes, it's awesome.

903
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: Again, I'm not a musician. I understood even less of

904
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,039
this than you did. But he does talk about the

905
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,800
unusual octave jumps that they make throughout this song. Yeah,

906
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,159
so I wrote down a couple of examples. So when

907
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:48,360
he's talking about the pools of maroon below and then

908
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,599
he jumps up to daddy, you know that huge jump,

909
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:54,639
and then he does it several times throughout the song,

910
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,320
and so it's just an incredibly complex he said, it's

911
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,639
similar to something like a jazz musician would do.

912
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,599
Speaker 2: Fantastic musically, and then of course the subject matter of

913
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:07,800
the song is so strong. I mean, this is about

914
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:13,639
the actual suicide of a boy in Texas named Jeremy Dell, who,

915
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,719
at sixteen years old, was sent to go get an

916
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,079
admission slip and came back with a gun and said,

917
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,320
I didn't get the admission slip, but I got what

918
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,679
I meant to and then killed himself in front of

919
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:25,440
his English class.

920
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:29,559
Speaker 1: Shot himself on January eighth, nineteen ninety one, which would

921
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,320
make him probably very close to years or my age.

922
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, who that hurts my heart. Eddie Vetter had

923
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,159
read about this Jeremy Dell in the Dallas Morning News

924
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,960
and it actually reminded him of someone that he knew

925
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:46,760
in school who one year brought a gun to school

926
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,199
and didn't himself but shot a fish tank. Yeah, and

927
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,639
so Eddie, Eddie said, And I had been in a

928
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,800
fight with his kid the year before. You know, can

929
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,480
you just imagine like seeing the guy that you were like, yeah,

930
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,320
could it? But and then in the next year you're like, oh,

931
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,920
holy crap, he brought a gun to school. He shot

932
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,559
the fish.

933
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: Tank on a lighter note, My good friend and friend

934
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,519
of the show, Tristan Martin, told me when I told

935
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,079
him we were doing Pearl Jam he said, one of

936
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,159
the things I know about Pearl Jam ten is that

937
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:21,159
they're a twenty nine oohz. Jeremy, he said, Nie, my

938
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:23,639
brother would sit and listen to this song and count

939
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:26,760
the ooze. So justin thank you for that little bit

940
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,679
of nugget right there.

941
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:32,159
Speaker 2: I mean nine oohs. So this is the one one

942
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:36,119
of the professional, professionally done videos. It was done by

943
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:39,800
Mark Pellington, who also did the rooster video for Alison

944
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,480
Chains and who directed the movie Arlington Road. He said

945
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,079
he did three takes of Eddie singing and then almost

946
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,920
the rest of the video was just him, his own creation.

947
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:53,320
The band said, we don't really want to be in

948
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,119
the video, so you get like little brief flashes of

949
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:59,159
the band, You get Eddie sitting on a stool singing,

950
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,119
and then most it is the creation of Mark Pellington.

951
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:05,119
Speaker 1: This song is the best song on the album in

952
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:07,480
my opinion, and one of the best songs of the nineties.

953
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: So on Jeremy. The B side of Jeremy was a

954
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,440
song called Footsteps, which most people don't know but it is.

955
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,519
It's a it's a very different sounding it doesn't sound

956
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:22,039
like the other songs on this.

957
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 5: Album, think about.

958
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:31,119
Speaker 2: But it was the third part of that Mama Son trilogy,

959
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,679
and you've got the incestuous relationship, which then leads to

960
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,440
the serial killer. Well footsteps is he's in prison awaiting execution.

961
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 5: Bo stop.

962
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 4: All right.

963
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:58,639
Speaker 1: Next song after Jeremy is a song called Oceans They

964
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,800
this the fourth single, released December seventh, nineteen ninety two.

965
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: No, yes, this is about a surfboard. No, I'm just

966
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,239
kidding that. He joked in MTV Unplugged about it being

967
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,480
about a surfboard, but it was, and then he said, no,

968
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:24,719
I'm just kidding. It's about a girl named Beth who

969
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,199
I hopefully will see you tomorrow. And you know got

970
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:30,320
to think that that's probably the lady he ended up

971
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,719
marrying later on, named Beth Leibling This.

972
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: You think of these guys as being so serious about

973
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,639
their music. They're always very serious seeming. But the story

974
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:42,079
behind this song actually made me laugh out loud. So

975
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,119
they're recording and you go play pay the parking meter

976
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:52,199
for me. Yeah, so somebody says they were recording, doing

977
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,920
some work in the recording studio. Hey, Eddie, here's some change.

978
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,639
We run out to the meter and plug this in

979
00:51:57,639 --> 00:51:59,920
my car. I'm about to I'm about to flip over

980
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,719
get a ticket. So Eddie goes outside to plug some

981
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,960
coin into the meter and locks himself out of the

982
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,920
studio while it's raining and cold.

983
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's for it and he's not.

984
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't have anything to so he's freezing his butt

985
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,840
off in the wet rain, and so he just sits

986
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,679
down and writes the lyrics to the song.

987
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just happened to have a pen and a

988
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,519
piece of paper, and they're still playing like they're still

989
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:24,000
playing on the inside. You know, they can't hear him,

990
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,679
but he can hear it now. So he's like, okay,

991
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:29,079
I can hear the bass here. I guess Fitt might

992
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,760
as well write a song to this. And so you've

993
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,480
got this really kind of sweet, short song. This is

994
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:36,440
the shortest lyrics that you're going to see on any

995
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,800
of the song. But he sits there and listens to

996
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,440
the bass and writing lyrics, and then when the bass

997
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,800
stops playing, he's like oh and starts pounding on the

998
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,039
door and then then here's the bass playing again.

999
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,199
Speaker 1: That's funny. So this song, it's it is interesting to

1000
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,800
me because this song is I would. I would describe

1001
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,760
it as epic, emotional and grand. Yeah, but it's very short.

1002
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,639
This is a song that could go on for eight

1003
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,920
or nine or ten minutes, and I would listen to it.

1004
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,039
It's like, was it not even three minutes? I mean

1005
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:09,280
it's real short. Yeah, kind of interesting. The video was

1006
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,920
shot in Hawaii and inspired by his love of surfing.

1007
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one. If you look at the liner notes,

1008
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,159
you'll see that the guy who ended up mixing the

1009
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,199
album for him. By the way they spent they didn't

1010
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,320
spend as much money on this one as they did

1011
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,880
when they did Apple for Mother Lovebone, but they spent

1012
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,039
way more money on the mixing side of things than

1013
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:34,079
on the recording side of things. So they mixed the

1014
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:37,280
album at a place called Ridge Farm Studios in Dorking,

1015
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,280
and they're recording and they're about as far away from

1016
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,880
any kind of musical equipment supply place as you're going

1017
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,760
to be. And so Tim Palmer, the guy who's doing

1018
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,760
the mixing for them, they couldn't get to like percussion

1019
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,480
that the mixer thought they needed, and so he ended

1020
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:58,960
up using a pepper grinder, kind of like a Morocca

1021
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,039
or something. And then he used he takes some drum

1022
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:06,320
sticks and beats on a fire extinguisher, and so that's

1023
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,159
what you get on the little the little pings and

1024
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,960
the clicks that happen in this particular song is some

1025
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:16,000
random percussion and whatever it is and more credit and

1026
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:20,079
liner notes for pepper mill and fire extinguishing. This one

1027
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,800
also is one in the open D tuning. And this

1028
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,039
one is Stone Gossard's favorite track off of ten and

1029
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:29,239
also Jeff Ament's favorite track off of ten.

1030
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: It's an amazing song. I love it. Okay, moving on

1031
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:39,320
song after Oceans, This song is called Porch. This is

1032
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,440
a song that for me and my family, you gotta

1033
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,239
be quick on the skip because that F word is

1034
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,119
like one and a half seconds into it. And for

1035
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,000
my family this would get my cape confiscated, So you

1036
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:54,039
go to be super fast on the skipper on this one.

1037
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one. I just love it. It's just

1038
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:59,840
so angry, and you know one that you're going to

1039
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,960
go into the mosh pit on it is Yeah, this

1040
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,840
is the other one. This is number five that he

1041
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,679
wrote on the way to Seattle to meet them for

1042
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,239
the first time. And the lyrics on this one, you

1043
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,360
know the other ones are they they have a beautiful

1044
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,360
poetry to them and that you can tell what they're about,

1045
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,079
but it's not like it's in your face. You get

1046
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,519
an impressionist painting kind of thing on these other songs.

1047
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,519
With Porch, it's way open to interpretation as to what

1048
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:34,320
he's talking about. But it's got this fantastic instrumental break,

1049
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,440
like it's completely different hits the e minor here goes.

1050
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,519
So while this solo is going on, it's a nice

1051
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:47,480
long solo, and of course for their live shows that

1052
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:50,679
extend it even further. And if any if you've ever

1053
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,360
seen any Pearl Jam live, you know that Eddie Vedder

1054
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,519
is going to get bored and go start climbing stuff.

1055
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:58,679
And so this is the song that he's like, all right,

1056
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,239
nice long guitar solo in this song, let's go climb

1057
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,960
up on the rafters swing, And you know, the guys

1058
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,679
talk about how they're watching him do this and they're like,

1059
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:11,719
I was frightened to death every single time. We're just

1060
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,079
watching and just waiting for him. Top. Yeah, okay, there,

1061
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:17,880
our lead singer just died. He just fell to his

1062
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,960
death in front of us. It was crazy scary to

1063
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,119
see him do this stuff. But man, he was living.

1064
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 4: Line all right.

1065
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: After Porch, we get a song called Garden.

1066
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one again, I love it. I didn't know

1067
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,039
until recently what it was about. I just enjoyed the song,

1068
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,679
had my own interpretation on it. But apparently they came

1069
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,760
up with this one when they heard about the invasion

1070
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,159
of Kuwait. There's no no mystery about how they feel

1071
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:04,360
about Bush, both Senior and Junior, and so they when

1072
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,320
they heard about this, they were so frustrated. And the

1073
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,719
Garden of Stone is a cemetery and I will walk

1074
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,760
with my hands bound. It's kind of this idea of

1075
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,239
being forced into war. But it's still just again, a

1076
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:19,119
beautiful song. What did you think? This is not again,

1077
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:22,039
not one of the ones that's mainstream awareness, So what

1078
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:23,239
did you think when you heard this one?

1079
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: I would call this song dark and beautiful. I mean

1080
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,360
the whole album to me has a has a hint

1081
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,719
of sadness to it. I would say, you know, Nirvana's

1082
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,599
Nevermind is more about being angry and rebellious. This record

1083
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:37,559
is more emotional and sad.

1084
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, brooding. Brooding is the word that I used. There

1085
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:45,119
are obviously lyrics about deeper things from both bands, But

1086
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:49,800
whereas Kurt Cobain is more a scream at authority, this

1087
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,760
is a more of a brooding anger that you get

1088
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:53,519
from Eddie Vedder.

1089
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:56,119
Speaker 1: I do like how there's two guitars. When you listen

1090
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:58,800
to it on headphones, you get one guitar on the left,

1091
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:02,079
one guitar on the right, and they make that beautiful

1092
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:07,079
fullness that's really satisfying. Definitely love it, beautiful song, Love it.

1093
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:09,199
Speaker 3: All right.

1094
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: So after Garden we have a song called Deep Again.

1095
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,719
Speaker 2: I can't do anything but gush about all of these songs,

1096
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,599
but this one is another one that's very much open

1097
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:22,199
to interpretation. There's not a you know, I've seen a

1098
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,920
whole bunch of different ideas about what this song is about,

1099
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:27,800
and I don't agree with any of them, and I

1100
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,800
don't know that the band has said anything about it.

1101
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:32,920
But I mean you get hints of you know, you

1102
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,559
get a man on a window ledge about to jump

1103
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:39,280
out maybe or maybe it's drug use, or maybe it's murder,

1104
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,480
or maybe it's rape, and it's all this kind of

1105
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:45,920
multi meaning all no.

1106
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 5: Bond.

1107
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: This was probably my least favorite.

1108
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: Song on the entire album What Bothers You About It?

1109
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me. It just doesn't grab me like

1110
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:59,280
the others do. To me, it didn't have the beauty

1111
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,320
of Oceans Garden and I didn't have that same hook

1112
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,039
that even Flow and Alive have And Jeremy's on its

1113
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:08,360
own level for me, but it's in the lower third.

1114
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:10,199
It's still good, but it just didn't grab me.

1115
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one, I think I've said something about the

1116
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:16,559
end of Jaws before, like, if you've made it this

1117
00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:18,599
far in the movie, you're totally going to buy in

1118
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:24,320
on an exploding oxygen tank. Right for Deep. I've bought

1119
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,079
in so hard on all nine songs leading up to

1120
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:28,960
this one that I was just like, it just fell

1121
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:31,360
right into the groove and I just love it each

1122
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,320
and every time I hear it.

1123
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,719
Speaker 1: So all right, So the last song on the album

1124
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:42,599
is a fantastic song. Amazing that to me, it's similar

1125
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,760
to something in the Way at the end of Nevermind.

1126
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:49,199
I don't know why they kind of hold this gem

1127
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:53,800
to the very last track, but Release is awesome. It's beautiful.

1128
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:57,360
It's seen along you're at the concert, the lighter's going up.

1129
00:59:57,519 --> 00:59:59,079
Speaker 2: This is a song that they kind of came up

1130
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,079
with in the studio. It was. You know, they would

1131
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:03,360
be jamming on the song and it had this deep

1132
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,440
and beautiful feel, and then Eddie just goes up to

1133
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,760
the microphone and just starts singing like it hasn't he

1134
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,159
hasn't written anything down. He just starts singing what's on

1135
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:28,599
his heart and and it's about his dad, and it's

1136
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:31,320
about oh, dear Dad, do you see me now? And

1137
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,920
his idea that he's got to release the pain that

1138
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,320
he's dealing with. And you know, he talks about how

1139
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:40,800
he's he's singing this and it's it's deeply meaningful to him.

1140
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:43,320
And then he really he's looking around and he realizes,

1141
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,719
my gosh, the other band members are totally feeling this

1142
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:49,679
because of what they went through with Andy Wood that

1143
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:53,400
they've got they've still got this deep emotional scar that

1144
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,719
they have to overcome, that they have to let go

1145
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,679
and and ultimately move on with life. So for anybody,

1146
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,400
for anybody who's lost something, who's lost somebody really close

1147
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:09,679
to them, this song can be a very emotional song

1148
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:10,199
to listen to.

1149
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:21,239
Speaker 1: Nice, thank you for that. D So that wraps it up.

1150
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:22,320
I mean, that's ten.

1151
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: So they released ten and it wasn't like the overnight

1152
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,159
success that Nevermind was. It took a little while to

1153
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:31,280
gain its traction, but by August of ninety two they

1154
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,679
had reached number two on the Billboard two hundred. But

1155
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,559
you know who they could not unseat.

1156
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: Billy ray Cyrs.

1157
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: World. What were you thinking, Oh my gosh.

1158
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:49,559
Speaker 1: Billy ray Cyrus's album Some Gave All was number one

1159
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:52,599
for seventeen weeks in the nineties.

1160
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,239
Speaker 2: Everyone who's listening right now should just punch themselves right

1161
01:01:56,239 --> 01:01:58,599
in the face one dime for allowing that to happen.

1162
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:03,599
Speaker 1: All right, were ready to put these on the scales? Yeah,

1163
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:05,840
why don't you lead off? I know you have kind

1164
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,320
of a stronger relationship with this album in particular.

1165
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,159
Speaker 2: Okay, so putting these two on the scales it is

1166
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:13,159
difficult for me to do. I thought when we started

1167
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:14,960
this process it was going to be super easy for

1168
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,519
me to do, because, as I've said before, ten is

1169
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:20,199
one of my favorite albums of all time, maybe my

1170
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,599
favorite album of all time. There is nothing wrong with

1171
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:25,559
it from beginning to end, including that fantastic hidden track

1172
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:28,119
that begins and ends the album. But then when I

1173
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:32,119
listened to never Mind, I was impressed. I was just like, Wow,

1174
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:34,920
this is a lot better than I. I just never

1175
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,599
gave it that chance. You know, I had kind of

1176
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,159
I told you I had written off these guys, and

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to me, Nirvana was still kind of written off. I

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had this fantastic, you know, romantic experience with smells like

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01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:51,000
teen Spirit oddly enough, but it was it wasn't a

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01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:53,400
band that I was fully invested in, and they were

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01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,960
just kind of were weird and loud and not particularly

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01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:58,920
strong musicians from my way of thinking back then. But

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now listen to him now, twenty five years later. Dang

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it good. That was really really good, and there's a

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01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,199
rawness to their sound that's enticing to me. I mean,

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you know from our past musical talks that I prefer

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01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:17,840
the less produced sound, and if you look at these

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01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,480
two albums, there's no question Nirvana sounds less produced. I mean,

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we talked about the fact that Butch Vig did a

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01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:26,280
whole lot of producing, but he did it in such

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01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,840
a way like that it was still very natural sounding.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like the best makeup is the one that looks natural, right, Well,

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that's what he did with that album. But I can't

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I mean, as good as never Mind is and as

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much as I was impressed with it, I cannot escape

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the fact that ten is flawless from beginning to end.

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It still has staying power. It is more produced, and

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the band has said as much. You know, they're like,

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I really wish we didn't have as much reverb on

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that album, and we would have done things differently as

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bands in that age tend to do. But the fact

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01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:05,920
is it is freaking amazing music by amazing musicians. Nirvana,

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01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:10,280
their music was rough and almost deliberately so, which was

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01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,519
kind of the punk style, and with them you got

1206
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:17,000
to jump. They jumped away from what was mainstream music

1207
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:20,480
at the time. With Pearl Jam, it was more of

1208
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:24,039
a stepping stone. It was like, we're fine with the

1209
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:28,519
idea of hard rock, We're fine with screaming guitar solos,

1210
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but we're going to put in lyrics that are still

1211
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:35,880
deep and about the loneliness and despondence of youth, and

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01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,599
we're going to write about things like suicide and incest

1213
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and mental health facilities and still make it a melodic,

1214
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,880
engaging song. And so as much as I do like

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01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,760
Nevermind more now that I did then, it still doesn't

1216
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,760
match up to ten. For me. Ten is still the

1217
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,639
best in my opinion. What do you thought? Nice?

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01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,519
Speaker 1: Nice? Okay, So I'm coming in very similar to what

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01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:01,800
you're describing. I I had never listened to Nevermind from

1220
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,519
beginning to end, and I liked it a whole lot

1221
01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:07,920
more than I thought I would. The peaks are super

1222
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:12,840
high peaks. Okay, come as you Are. Unbelievable song, teen Spirit,

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01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:18,480
unbelievable song right in Bloom, maybe my favorite song on

1224
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:21,880
that entire album, and those are so good. But then

1225
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,079
you have, in my opinion, you have junk songs like

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01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:30,840
Stay Away and Territorial Pissings. To me, there's some junk songs,

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01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,599
but there are some absolute grand slams on that on

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01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:37,280
that album, and as I whole you know, Drain You

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01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:40,800
and Polly on a Plane. I mean, those songs I

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01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,000
appreciate and love more. I do think my personality fits

1231
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:46,840
better with the guys from Pearl Jam. If I wanted

1232
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,280
to hang out with somebody, I'm definitely with them. If

1233
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,480
I want to go to a concert, I'm with them.

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01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,320
Who has more stain power? I mean, these guys are

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01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,400
in their fifties now and they can sing these songs

1236
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,000
and they don't age at all, you know, I mean,

1237
01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:01,679
it's it's it's fantastic. So when I put them on

1238
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:06,920
the scales, it's similar to our bad thriller argument. You know,

1239
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,960
we have these great, great songs and you have some

1240
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:13,199
throwaway tracks. This is solid all the way through. So

1241
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:16,440
for me, I'm gonna go my vote is for ten.

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01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: Also, all right, it sounds like Ten is the winner here.

1243
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,159
But to all of those Nirvana fans out there who

1244
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,719
thought that that Pearl Gym might have been sellouts, especially

1245
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,639
at the ten album, we still like Nirvana.

1246
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,679
Speaker 1: We really do way more than I thought I would.

1247
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, this has been a wonderful experience to go

1248
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,360
back and revisit this, much like with def Leppard and

1249
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,159
much like with Van Halen, was like dang, I did

1250
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:46,800
not realize how good some of this stuff was. And

1251
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:51,000
so please know that we truly love Nirvana, we just

1252
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:52,840
love ten a little bit more.

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01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for doing this with me, man. I'm having

1254
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,000
a such great time. Let's hear from you, guys. If

1255
01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:58,760
you think we're crazy, hit us up on Twitter and

1256
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,400
Facebook at Shirley Podcast on Facebook, at Shirley Podcast on Twitter,

1257
01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:03,480
or send us an email.

1258
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, send us an email to Shirleypodcast at gmail dot com.

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,639
Speaker 1: All right, what do we have coming up? Do we

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01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:11,519
know what we're doing next?

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01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: I believe next up is Bull Durham versus Major League.

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01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:18,760
For that one, it will be. I can assure you

1263
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,159
another close call where we're gonna both be gushing over

1264
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:26,239
both of these movies. They're both fantastically awesome and at

1265
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,559
this still, at this moment in time, I cannot tell

1266
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:29,719
you which one I can pick us the.

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01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: Best sounds great. D Thank you. We will see you

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01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:36,400
next time on the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast.

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01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:41,000
This isn't a TV show, Josh, It's a rock show.

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Speaker 2: Turn the lights off.