WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.280 --> 00:00:16.079 A lot of funds and an individual lots m This 2 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:23.600 is the show. Oh right, everybody, welcome to your one 3 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:29.359 book show on this Uh my voice is funny Sunday 4 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:35.039 on the Sunday, June eighth. Though. Everybody is having a 5 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:37.600 fantastic weekend. I hope you're getting a chance to relax 6 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.679 do fun stuff. I see, Uh Robert is a Viking. 7 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:45.640 Maybe I don't know. That's the emoji put on his chat. 8 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:50.439 So uh yeah, cool that that is all good? All 9 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:53.000 right today in spite of the fact that there's a 10 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:57.000 lot of news out there like National Guards being deployed 11 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:01.520 to Los Angeles. We'll talk about that tomorrow. That's a 12 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:04.359 good that's a good Monday Monday thing for for Your 13 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.400 on Book Show. I thought today would take a topic 14 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.760 go a little bit in depth in it. A topic 15 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:12.239 that is a recurring theme on the Your On Book Show, 16 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:14.359 but I think I think crucially important and that is 17 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:19.239 the the the rise in religion. So we'll talk today 18 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:24.359 specifically about Catholicism and the rise in Catholicism, so we'll 19 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:28.200 dig into that. I will not be reacting Jordan Peterson's 20 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:30.799 did You Beileeve? Video? Today just didn't have a chance 21 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.680 to prepare for that. I'll try to do that. Maybe 22 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:38.640 next week, Yeah, maybe next weekend. I'll try to do that. 23 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.120 It depends though, because I'll be heavily in prep mode 24 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:47.159 for the for the Peterson Academy of course that I'll 25 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.760 be teaching that follow the following week in a week 26 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:56.079 and a half, which is which is which I need 27 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.760 to prepare for, which is not? Of course I've taught 28 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:01.159 in many, many years and a lot of new material. 29 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:04.280 And then I've got two more coses with Peterson Academy 30 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:06.920 that I'm preparing, So three courses that are we doing 31 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.479 the next six weeks for Jordan for the Peterson Academy, 32 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:15.080 and then we've got one talk for OCON. So I'm 33 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:20.280 gonna be very much tunnel vision into that. Maybe I'll 34 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:24.919 do something. Maybe I'll try to do some content from 35 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:29.680 those talks as kind of weekend shows rather than doing 36 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.599 new content so I don't have to prepare new stuff. 37 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.439 So at some point we'll do we'll do the debate 38 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:41.599 between between Peterson and the twenty atheists twenty eighteists, so 39 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:51.120 I did anyway, we will. We will get the news tomorrow. 40 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.199 You can't ask me questions, so you can ask me 41 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:56.199 questions about the news, about what's going on, about what's happening, 42 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:01.000 whether in California, or about the big beautiful bill, whatever 43 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:04.120 you want, just put it in the super chat. Super 44 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:06.800 Chat great way to support the show. Twenty dollars. Questions 45 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.120 particular are valued, and appreciate it and get priority. But 46 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:14.199 I will try to answer all questions that I'll ask 47 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.159 whatever amount of money you put behind them. You can 48 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:20.719 support the show with a sticker, as Jonathan Honing just did. 49 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:25.479 Thank you, Jonathan. And all right, well let's just jump in. 50 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:34.639 Let's just jump in and talk about Catholicism. You know, Catholicism, 51 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:41.199 I think, surprisingly surprisingly, not religion surprising, but Catholicism surprisingly 52 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.879 Maybe shouldn't be surprising, but it is. And I'll tell 53 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:47.960 you why in a minute why it's surprising. Catholicism really 54 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.800 does seem like it's on the rise. They seemed to 55 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:56.639 be record numbers of baptisms, not record numbers, but increasing 56 00:03:56.719 --> 00:04:01.560 numbers of baptism adult baptism in the United States and 57 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:06.840 France and Sweden, in many Western Spain, Western European countries. 58 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:15.479 And so you've you've got increased interest in Catholicism among 59 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.720 young people. I mean, I saw this that among young people, 60 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:24.680 Catholicism now is bigger religion than Anglican in the UK. 61 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.639 The UK is seeing a big spike in Catholicism. Catholics 62 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:33.600 set to exceed Anglicans for first time since the Reformation, 63 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:39.319 since King Henry the Eighth, all because of young people, 64 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:43.160 young people. And one thing that is a theme across 65 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.560 all of this is when they say young people, what 66 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.000 they really mean is young men. So predominantly young men 67 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:55.759 turning towards Catholicism and embracing Catholicism. She's seen that in England. 68 00:04:55.959 --> 00:05:02.399 France is a headline a record of adult baptisms in France, 69 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:09.040 so surge among youth. And again this is the highest 70 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.519 number I ever recorded since they started doing a survey 71 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:16.560 I guess of baptisms over thirty twenty years ago. And 72 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:18.839 it's all young people, which is new. It used to 73 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:24.040 be that people adult baptism were typically a little later 74 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:27.439 in life, may be mid life crisis. But this is 75 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:30.879 all like eighteen to twenty four year olds that are 76 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:37.680 being being baptized. And it's quite striking that. Yeah, they 77 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:39.720 say in the age group eighteen to twenty five, age 78 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:43.319 group composed of students and young professionals, are represent forty 79 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:48.079 two percent of adult whatever it is baptisms, surpassing in 80 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.920 twenty six to forty year demographic that used to be 81 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:56.680 the dominant one. This is in France, even adolescent baptisms 82 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:04.519 eleven to seventeen year old teenagers has increased dramatically, increased 83 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.720 dramatically over the last year or so. So this is 84 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.160 a new phenomena. So this is we're talking about, you know, 85 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.879 these overports coming out April twenty twenty five, so we're 86 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.120 putting on twenty twenty four and so on. Now, generally 87 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:24.240 there seems to be a you know, there's been this 88 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:28.319 long term trend of in the United States, according to 89 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:36.199 the Pew Survey of people who are kind of declaring 90 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:41.560 themselves not affiliated with any major religion or even increased 91 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:43.800 in the number of atheists and increased in the number 92 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:50.079 of certainly non denominational unaffiliated that an affiliated seems to peaked, 93 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.920 but down affiliated, it seems to peaked in you know, 94 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.319 I'm looking at the at the numbers here, it looks 95 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.839 like a few years ago, twenty twenty two, and since 96 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.680 they've gone down, so I think it peaked at like 97 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.759 twenty nine thirty percent is down to twenty eight percent. 98 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:14.319 It's not big changes, but down Christianity people self identifying 99 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:18.160 as Christians bottomed out at the same time, is not affiliated. 100 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:28.680 Peaked in twenty twenty two and then and then it's 101 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:32.839 been going up since then. So the numbers of the 102 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:37.759 number of those identifying as Christian is actually rising slowly. 103 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:41.120 It's not a big rise, it's still small rise. Other 104 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:46.759 religions pretty stables a little bit, increase them five percent, 105 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.879 you know, twenty five years ago to seven percent last 106 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:53.879 two years ago, to six percent this year, so somewhere 107 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:57.759 between five to seven percent, pretty much consistently without changing much. 108 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:02.160 It's really Christians who used to be self identified Christians 109 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.800 used to be seventy eight percent of the population and 110 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.079 today only sixty three percent of the population. So Christianity 111 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:14.160 overwall is in decline, but in the last few years 112 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.959 it's seeing a small increase, just small in aggregate. The 113 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:23.279 numbers are all small. What happened to you among Christians? 114 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:33.039 The decline is mostly among Protestants, who you know, over 115 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.120 fifty percent of American Christians used to consider themselves what 116 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:39.559 do you call anet Protestants I don't even know what 117 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.799 any Protestant means. And now it's it's close to forty 118 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:47.200 percent against seeing a slight uptick from when it bottomed 119 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.159 out a few years ago. And then if you look 120 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.320 at evangelical Protestants, that's down from to twenty three percent now, 121 00:08:55.399 --> 00:09:01.840 mainline Protestants they're way down from eighteen to eleven, Black Protestants, 122 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:09.600 seven to five, Mormons moments from pretty stable at two 123 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.559 percent of the population. Orthodox Christians pretty stable at one 124 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:19.559 percent of the population. Catholics we're twenty four went down 125 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:26.320 quite a bit and to I think nineteen, and we're 126 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:29.480 seeing a little increase. So back up to over the 127 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.279 last three years, you're seeing an increase in Catholics. Now, 128 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:38.720 this is big aggregate numbers based on pure surveys, but 129 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:44.240 when you look at actual you know, and if you 130 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.639 look at Cathosism around the world, Cathosism around the world 131 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:53.200 still is massive. It's one point four billion people. It 132 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:58.200 increases year after year, primarily because of Africa, where the 133 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:02.440 population is increasing and where there's a lot of Catholics, 134 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:06.399 there's a lot of evangelizing for Catholicism, and where there's 135 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:13.000 a growing increase, growing increase in number of Catholics. Catholicism 136 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:17.080 represents about seventeen point seven percent of total population of 137 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:21.120 the world are Catholic seventeen point seven and most of 138 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:25.039 the growth in aggregate for the big numbers is in Africa. 139 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.360 We're going to ignore that. I want to focus in 140 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:32.679 our discussion on the growth in the West, particularly in 141 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:38.360 Europe and the United States, and kind of what potentially 142 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:42.000 is driving it. Over the last again, April May, the 143 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.039 last couple of months, a bunch of stories about this, 144 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.080 you know, in here's some headlines young people are converting 145 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.399 to Catholicism in mass I think that's a little exaggerated, 146 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:59.840 driven by pandemic, internet lacks alternatives. Not sure what that is, 147 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:06.159 all right, you know, there's a lot of discussion about 148 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:10.399 religious revival. And then there was this headline why are 149 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:15.039 so many young adults becoming Catholic? And then the thing 150 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:18.120 that really got me thinking about this and thinking we 151 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:21.720 should do something about it or talk about it is 152 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:24.759 what is it? Four days ago? Earlier this week in 153 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:30.000 the Free Press, this is the headline is how Catholicism 154 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.559 got cool? Young Americans and people around the world are 155 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:37.120 flocking to the Catholic Church. Again probably an exaggeration. The 156 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.320 Free Press spoke to them to find out why, and 157 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:46.120 it's an interesting article. Again they're saying, there's a surgeon 158 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:49.399 the number of Espyman Catholics registering to join the church 159 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:53.240 at Easter. This was in April. This is across the 160 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:59.519 country anyway, from Michigan, Nebraska. No. The Dame, so the 161 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:04.080 large attending church attendance this Easter that they've maybe ever 162 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:07.039 seen or seen it in a very long time. This, 163 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:12.200 as I said, this is true in France, increase in 164 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.840 the number of adult baptism this year, in England surgeon 165 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.720 in mass participation, but also place like Sweden and other 166 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:26.799 places in Europe where you wouldn't expect it. And add 167 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:29.919 to that, all of these articles, at least some of 168 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.759 them are emphasizing the fact that this is primarily a 169 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.840 phenomenon that is related to young men. That is, young 170 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:44.240 men are the ones converting to Catholicism. So what's going on? 171 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:48.440 What is it about Catholicism that people are finding appealing? 172 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:51.759 Why have all the white First of all, are they 173 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.799 attracted to religion at all? And then why if they're 174 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:59.279 attracted to religion or they go into Catholicism. Again, the 175 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:05.879 decline in religious affiliation has been seems to be halted. 176 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:09.360 There seems to be a slight increase in affiliation at 177 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:16.000 least with regard to Christianity since twenty twenty two, maybe 178 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.639 since COVID, so since the early part of this decade, 179 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:24.200 and it definitely seems to Christianity seems to be in 180 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.399 the UPTIC although again in the aggregate the numbers are 181 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:30.960 still small. But I think it's more important that what's 182 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.159 important here is not the aggregate numbers because those could 183 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:38.679 be small, but the trend and the trend, particularly among 184 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.399 young people, because they are cliche. They are the future, right, 185 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.360 they are what's coming. And you know, so if you 186 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:49.679 look at gen Z, if you look at millennials, most 187 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:54.240 of this movement now towards Christianity but mostly Catholicism is 188 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:02.200 among gen Z and to some extent millennials. So what 189 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:06.559 is going on now? It's important to note that this 190 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:12.120 is something that doctor Peacock in a sense predicted would 191 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:16.919 happen and saw it happening in the you know, in 192 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:22.559 the what is it twenty teens, early very early twenty teens, 193 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.440 coming out of the financial crisis, I don't know that 194 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:30.559 the numbers were really their statistics, but again, adecdotally, it 195 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:34.879 seemed like Christian Christianity was on the rise, and then 196 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:38.039 it wasn't. And then you saw all these numbers of 197 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:43.840 Christian affiliation declining, declining, declining, and now it's coming back. 198 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:47.360 And the question is is this it is this Lenapeacock's 199 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:50.559 prediction coming true? I mean, it's hard to tell, but 200 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.039 I think if we're going to look at the causes 201 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:57.039 for this, he gives us the causes and I think 202 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:01.840 they are I think they are legit, and I think 203 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:05.480 that they're coming real. That is, I think whether this 204 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.759 is the big conversion of Christianity, whether this is going 205 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.360 to be sustainable, whether the numbers are going to be there, 206 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.879 I don't know. It's hard to predict the future. But 207 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:19.279 in terms of why this is happening, why this is happening, 208 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.440 I think Leonard Peakcoff had it completely right when you 209 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.240 wrote the dim hypothesis, what is it now over? I 210 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:30.480 think it was published in twenty thirteen, so you wrote 211 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:34.480 in twenty ten to twenty twelve something about there. I 212 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:41.159 think it is absolutely right. So let's walk through what 213 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:45.000 that is. I mean, what we've seen over the last 214 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:48.639 ten years is the rise particularly among young people, and 215 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.320 this is probably true more millennials than gen Z's of 216 00:15:52.600 --> 00:16:03.080 kind of a postmodernist, disintegrated philosophy goal thinking a philosophical system. 217 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.320 We've seen the rise of all kinds of you know, 218 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:14.799 woke ideologies. Intersectionality, the intolerance for anything other than a 219 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:19.080 particular leftist ideology. But a leftist ideology that you know, 220 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:23.919 starts in the premise of you know, reason is not 221 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:28.759 capable of delivering us truths reason. You know, we cannot 222 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:35.200 know the world through reason. Everything, everything we do know 223 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:39.360 is conditional on the particular perspective we happen to have. 224 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:45.799 There is no absolute truth. Everything is your own perspective. 225 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:52.759 And you know, human relationships and the relationship between human 226 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:59.360 beings all determined by this kind of exploited, exploited hierarchy, 227 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:05.599 and all human being relationships are exploited exploited relationships, and 228 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:13.119 those exploited exploiter somewhat related to your particular group. But 229 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:15.839 since nobody belongs only to one group, since we belong 230 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:21.599 to multiple groups, each individual has in a sense a 231 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:29.759 somewhat different intersectionality score into place. Intersectionality in this exploited, exploited. 232 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:38.240 What is a matrix? There are no universals, there's no 233 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:44.559 universal truth, concepts like a universal rally, or concepts like 234 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:50.759 individual rights, or any particular system as being good, or 235 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:54.200 any particularly interpretation of history as being right. Just none 236 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.640 of that exists, because, in a sense, a kind of 237 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.799 a universal truth cannot exist. Everything is from the perspective 238 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:05.759 of the observer, from the perspective of the individual. And 239 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.440 yet the way to reach any kind of truth through 240 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:13.599 this is not through reason, It's through some other means. 241 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:19.000 And of course this is a completely fragmented ideology. It 242 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:26.519 leads people nowhere frustration, It leads people towards, I think, 243 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:32.039 being alienated from the people around them. Because if all 244 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:39.160 relationships fundamentally are exploited, exploited, exploits to exploited. In other words, 245 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:45.759 if all relationships are fundamentally zero sum, then you know 246 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:51.039 what's other people are other people dangerous? Other people might 247 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:55.480 exploit me. If I win, they lose. If I lose, 248 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:58.160 they if they win I lose. I mean, there's always 249 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:03.680 a loser in an equation. That's no fun. So I 250 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.799 think I think if people look for the loneliness of pandemic. 251 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.559 A big chunk of it is is this, it's this 252 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:15.960 attitude towards life and towards human relationships and and uh. 253 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:20.039 And then of course all this drives people to be tribal, 254 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.039 to look for people who are like them in some 255 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.519 dimension that they can find. And then, given that they 256 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.720 have abandoned the ability to use reason, uh, they you know, 257 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:35.119 aggregate in in in tribes and and try to figure 258 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:39.000 out or emote together what the what what their truth 259 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.599 is going to be. And it's it's just a gobbled 260 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:49.279 and it's nonsense, and it's uh. It induces fear and 261 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:57.480 and loneliness and yeah, and and and and just disintegration 262 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:02.359 disintegrates the mind. Disintegrated means there's no universal there's no truth, 263 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:08.960 there's no there's nothing to to there's nothing that integrates 264 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:12.480 all the information, all the data, all the knowledge that 265 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:15.400 is out there. There's no principle that integrates that. There's 266 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.799 no meaning to anything. This is the crisis of meaning 267 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.680 that we see, the crisis of purpose. What's the point, 268 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:30.720 what's the point? Yeah, existential dread, fear, everything's unreal, fake, 269 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:36.480 it's just not And I think this is what young 270 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:42.960 people feel because this is what they've been kind of taught, 271 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:45.759 explicitly or implicitly. I mean, this is the I mean, 272 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.519 what is the message at the end of I don't know, 273 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.960 all the all the popular TV shows that young people 274 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:57.799 have been exposed to and have been watching religiously for 275 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:01.720 the last twenty years, What is the what is the 276 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.279 ultimate message of I don't know? What are what are 277 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:08.920 some of those animated shows, the Simpsons and The Fall Guy, 278 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:12.359 and and what's the what's the real cynical one? The 279 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.279 one that uh, the Book of Mormon or the guys 280 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.559 who wrote the Book of Mormon did and and but 281 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.519 but even Breaking Bad and and all the other really 282 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:28.440 popular TV shows? What what? What? What do they get? 283 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:30.440 South Park? Thank you? Southwalk? What do you get out 284 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:33.359 of South Palk? What ultimately is the sense of life? 285 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.400 That the meaning that you get out of these shows 286 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:41.319 is everything's to be laughed at, everything's to be not marked, 287 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:47.839 cynicism and skepticism, and what can you hold on to, well, 288 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:53.039 nothing except cynicism, skepticism, except knocking everything down and smashing everything. 289 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.480 And you know, this is the kind of mentality the 290 00:21:55.599 --> 00:22:03.519 leads to to ultimately denihilism. Family Guy was it was 291 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:08.119 that series, original series twenty thirty years ago that started 292 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:14.200 this super cynical uh you know, put putting the really 293 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:16.799 really really dumb people at the center of the universe. 294 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:19.359 Also a family in it. I think in the title 295 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:28.799 that that really you know, Beevis and Bradhead was the 296 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:31.839 first movie that put stupidity at the center. But but 297 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:40.720 it's just this impossibility of values, the impossibility of values 298 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.400 that an importance of value. Married with Children that's the one, 299 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:46.359 Thank you, Andrew. Married with Children was the first one 300 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:55.200 which was unwatchable. I mean literally unwatchable. It was. To 301 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.759 call it stupid would be a compliment. It was beneath stupidity. 302 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:05.680 It was cynical and stupid and just disgusting and complete 303 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:13.640 contrast to the kind of sitcoms of the past, which 304 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:20.400 you know, elevated family and showed it as a positive 305 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:25.000 and smart people, you know, trying to manage the challenges 306 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:28.960 and the often humorous things that are happening within a family. 307 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.799 Married with children just just like the negation of all 308 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:39.400 of that, just everything is dumb, stupid, and at the bottom, 309 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:43.799 everything is meaningless. Everything is meaningless, There is no meaning, 310 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.079 And I think that's really you know, this we got 311 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:57.480 a generation that grew up. Oops, I don't know what 312 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:02.599 just happened there. See that'll fix it. You guys still there. 313 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.359 I don't know if I lost the internet or something less. 314 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:14.960 Now again, I'm not saying every show is nihilistic. Not 315 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:21.279 every show was, but a lot of them. I mean, 316 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:26.480 think about making bad fascinating show, interesting show, well done, 317 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.839 well produced, beautiful visually I mean well done visually and 318 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:38.839 well acted interesting often, but just about a good guy 319 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:46.960 descending into homicidal madness and destroying everybody in his path, 320 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:55.519 and nobody good standing up to him, nobody good capable 321 00:24:55.559 --> 00:25:04.960 of standing up to him, just dissent into the nihilism, 322 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:07.880 all in the name of supposedly survival but not really. 323 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:12.920 And yet it was hailed, and it was one of 324 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:17.839 the best produced shows ever, amazingly scripted. Everybody watch it. 325 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:26.519 I mean there are almost no heroes. There's no beauty. 326 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:33.000 I mean the I guess what they consider beauty today 327 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.519 is in an action movie. The way that blood splatters 328 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:39.000 all over the place is about as beautiful as it gets. 329 00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:46.480 So we live in a world, have lived in a world? 330 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:51.920 Do you live in a world in which the philosophy 331 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.839 is a philosophy of disintegration. The philosophy is a philosophy 332 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.839 of meaning, of lack of meaning, of the denial of 333 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:04.440 meaning in many way, you know, a denial of self 334 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:09.319 and a denial of the individual. A philosophy that is 335 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:16.799 bound to create existential angst. And when people turn to art, 336 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.839 I mean the most popular forms of art, television, and movies, 337 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:28.279 and they get cynicism, skepticism, and nihilism. And if they 338 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.720 turn to music, and I know, I'm going to fence 339 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.160 some of you, but tough, what do they get. They 340 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:42.400 get rap with ugly, ugly you know, lyrics again, hates 341 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:50.079 and emotionalism and just ugliness, ugliness. You know, maybe there's 342 00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:53.200 some pop music that sounds a little okay, because it 343 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.480 wouldn't be pop if it didn't. But there's no meaning there, 344 00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.519 there's no values there, there's no there's nothing to challenge. 345 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:02.759 There's dull. I mean, the thing about mostly of our 346 00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:09.359 popular music is it's dull. And it's the same repeats 347 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:11.400 over and over again. I mean, when was the last 348 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.519 time you had a spiritual experience when listening to pop music? 349 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:20.799 I don't know last time you listened to uh, I 350 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.319 don't even know who a pop singer is these days 351 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:33.440 a spiritual experience really moved you? It just doesn't happen. 352 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.400 And then if they go to a museum, if they 353 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.880 go to a museum, yeah, maybe you watch Taylor Swift. 354 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.920 Who's the last spiritual experience you got from Taylor Swift? 355 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:49.160 And if you go to a museum, what do you get? 356 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:55.240 You get crap? You get meaningless, empty nothingness. You get. 357 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:59.519 I mean, the culmination of our modern culture and modern 358 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:05.640 idea is in modern art museums just splashes of paint, 359 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:11.240 geometric shapes, white and white. I mean, some of it's 360 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.759 kind of pretty because it has some aesthetic design, but 361 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.279 most of it is just ugly and stupid and meaningless, 362 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:20.039 meaningless in other words, you look at it, and again, 363 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:25.000 where is the experience, where's the spiritual experience of it? 364 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:35.000 There isn't. So we grow up or gen z and 365 00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:40.000 Millenniums have grown up in an environment that is incredibly wealthy. 366 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:45.240 They have all the material stuff that they need and 367 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.599 if they have a job they can afford. You know, 368 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.160 they are, in spite of everything they're told the other 369 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.039 richest generation ever. Given where they are in life, they're 370 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:57.839 making more money, they have more stuff. They have a 371 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:02.400 higher standard of living than any generation before them. And 372 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:08.240 at any time they turn to things of consciousness, to 373 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:19.519 the mind, to the spirit, what do they get nothing, emptiness, garbage, 374 00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:28.599 a slap in the face. And this has got a 375 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:33.720 cause a crisis, a real crisis, not a potent crisis, 376 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.160 a real crisis of what does it mean to be 377 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.000 a human being? In the case of a lot of 378 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.880 young men, what does it mean to be a man? 379 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:47.559 Young men experience what they think is negative change, or 380 00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:51.720 at least change as compared to what they perceive past generations, 381 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:59.039 primarily because women in some respects of dominating them, and 382 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:03.200 they don't know how to hand so. For them, modern 383 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.079 society is much more challenging than I think it is 384 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.000 in many respects of women. Women went through the biggest 385 00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:12.680 change in past generations. This generation is mostly a generation 386 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:19.599 of change from men. And again emptiness, emptiness, emptiness and ugliness. 387 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.279 That's the other thing. Ugliness. They turn around and all 388 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.359 they see is ugly. A lot of the architecture is 389 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:37.480 ugly or boring. The music is ugly or boring, the movies, 390 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:44.680 the TV is cynical and cynicism and ugly and boring 391 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:47.599 and you can go on and on and on and 392 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:52.440 on it just in every respect of their lives there's nothing, 393 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:57.880 there's no meaning, and importantly there's no beauty, there's no 394 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:01.519 appeal to the spirit, there's not appeal to to something 395 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:08.240 beyond the material. And of course somebody like Jordan Peterson 396 00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:15.680 tells them that their angst is real, which it is. 397 00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:20.920 Jordan is right. Young people are struggling, particularly young men, 398 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:27.720 are struggling, and he tells them to go take responsibility, 399 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.200 find values. But you know, he's not specific, particularly specific, 400 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:34.960 other than the stand up straight and make your bad 401 00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:39.440