WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.839 Welcome to part two of Richard Speck. Today, we're going 2 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:11.839 to pick up from where we left off in part one, 3 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.160 so if you haven't listened to it yet, be sure 4 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:16.160 to go check it out. We're going to pick up 5 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:18.679 right where we left off as he's on his way 6 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:20.280 to go commit mass murder. 7 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:23.199 Warning. 8 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:29.000 The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for 9 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:52.399 a mature audience listener discretion. Hey, how's it going. My 10 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:53.479 name's Ben. 11 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:56.439 And I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and. 12 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:59.679 Grim, a true crime podcast. Can you hear that? 13 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:00.719 I can't hear it? 14 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:02.840 A little tinkle tinkle in the glass today. 15 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:04.400 A little but a different sound for you. 16 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:06.439 Just as refreshing, though. 17 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:07.159 There you go. 18 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.799 It almost had tea today, though maybe next time. I 19 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.120 was gonna have a tea, but then I had tea 20 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:15.359 like an hour earlier, and I was like, well, I 21 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:17.159 don't want another cup of tea. 22 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:19.760 So we actually drink a lot of tea in this house. 23 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.079 We do. Tea's delicious and it's good for you. 24 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.319 Yeah, we like it. It's like a warm hug and a cup. 25 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:27.879 But that's a good way of describing it. But that's 26 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:30.079 that's how I feel about coffee though, Oh. 27 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.319 Okay, actually that's how I feel about hot chocolate. 28 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:36.159 Just all the above. Warm drinks, warm drinks. 29 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:36.879 There you go. 30 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:39.359 But like for me with coffee, it's not like it's 31 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:41.519 a oh I need coffee to wake up, a caffeine, 32 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:44.680 you know. It's it's the ritual thing for me. It's 33 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:46.760 you wake up, you have that nice hot beverage in 34 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:50.000 your cup, and it's just like so earthy and so grounding. 35 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:53.120 It's just a warm hug in the morning. 36 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:55.640 Give it. When you have it in the afternoon, that's 37 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:56.640 to wake your ass up. 38 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.480 If I have it in the afternoon, it's usually I 39 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:02.000 could use a little bit of a pick me up. 40 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:05.239 Yeah, okay, yeah, or not a hug just to pick 41 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:06.200 me up at that point. 42 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.639 Pretty much pretty much don't generally need it. It's I 43 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:12.599 want it, you know. It's I want that feeling again. 44 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:16.840 Oh my god, it's almost sad. 45 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:22.240 Yeah, I guess it kind of does sound sad now 46 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:24.120 that I really think of it, taking a step back 47 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.840 and look at it. Oh yeah, So that's that's my 48 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:32.400 story for coffee. Actually, speaking of stories, we got to 49 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:32.960 ask you. 50 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.000 Guys transition there. 51 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:36.960 I think it almost like I set. 52 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:38.599 It up pretty much, but I didn't. 53 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.000 We got to ask you, guys. We're looking for some 54 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.360 listener tales, so we want you to submit some listener 55 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:48.800 tales over to us on our email. To shoot us 56 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:52.039 an email with some spooky stories or some creepy stuff 57 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:55.039 that's happened to you in your lifetime, some experiences. Send 58 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.520 it to us over at Wicked and Grim podcast at 59 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:59.800 gmail dot com. We're going to be going through some 60 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:01.960 listener tail stuff for Halloween week. 61 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:05.159 So yeah, it's gonna be specifically right now, I guess 62 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.680 for Halloween week. Yeah, and depending how many we get, 63 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:10.759 we may have to have to choose. 64 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:13.280 Yeah, So it's not guaranteed you're going to be in 65 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.120 the episode with your story. I wish we can guarantee everybody, 66 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.719 but it's unfortunately not the nature of the beast. So 67 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.919 you have the opportunity to potentially be in an episode 68 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.080 as we do a listener tale thing for Halloween a week. 69 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.479 Yeah, and we put this out on Patreon already, so 70 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.520 we've had a couple submitted from our patrons. 71 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:33.199 Yeah, and there's some good stories already. 72 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:34.840 Yeah, so kind of cool. 73 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.000 It's kind of weird some of the shit that happens 74 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.439 to people. It's like, how like you can't explain most 75 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:43.800 of this shit, it's so crazy. Yeah, like me and 76 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.800 my Sasquatch story, I don't. 77 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:48.719 Feel like I have any story like that, Like there's 78 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.639 I don't feel like there's anything I could submit that 79 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.560 would be of interest. Nothing, I don't think so well. 80 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:57.199 I mean you kind of do. It's not like it 81 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:58.240 happened to you yet. 82 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.199 Okay, at this I don't think it's gonna happen. 83 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.400 But that in itself is a fucking weird ass story. 84 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:05.719 Not really, I don't think. 85 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:08.240 Okay, we'll quickly catch them up like an elevator pitch 86 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.159 on what it would be your story? 87 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.680 Well, gosh, it was so long ago, but at different 88 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.319 periods of time, I had gone to psychics, like two 89 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.560 different ones, and they had both basically kind of seemed 90 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:23.920 like I was hard to read that if I wanted to, 91 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.160 like I could tap into like some psychic ability of 92 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:30.839 my own, and that at some point I would basically 93 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.040 walk in to a room and I would see something 94 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:37.480 that no one else would see that would scare the 95 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:41.519 shit out of me. Yep, and that has yet to happen. 96 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:43.839 So it's like, are these people just like putting me 97 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:45.680 on edge for the next like how many years of 98 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:46.079 my life? 99 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:50.639 Maybe what you saw was how absolutely handsome I am 100 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.240 and it scared the shit out of you with just 101 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:53.079 how handsome I am. 102 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.560 Well, it's funny too, because maybe it has happened, and 103 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:58.160 like I didn't realize that I was the only one 104 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:01.120 that saw it and it didn't scare me, Like who knows. 105 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.480 That's very possible, like a whole sixth sense scenario sort 106 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:03.680 of thing. 107 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:05.920 Lots of times I'm kind of oblivious because I just 108 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:07.959 have like way too much shit going on in my brain. 109 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:11.720 My brain never shuts the fuck up, so I don't 110 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:14.160 even know. If I maybe I wouldn't have even noticed. 111 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:15.759 There's a potential of that. 112 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:19.160 So that's not really a very exciting story because nothing 113 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:20.319 exciting has really happened. 114 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:23.079 Yeah, but that's like a very suspenseful story. It's like 115 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:25.160 when is something going to happen? 116 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.160 Yeah, And sometimes I'm like, gosh, do I want to 117 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.000 put myself in that situation? What if it's now? 118 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.000 Well, I wouldn't want that to be me with this 119 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:36.319 unknown Is something going to happen at any moment? 120 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.160 Yeah? No, fangs, I know, I know and I have 121 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:41.800 put myself in some situations too where with ghosts could 122 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.199 be like I had gone to Alcatraz, which I'm sure. Yeah, 123 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:46.720 if a ghost is gonna be somewhere, there's gonna be 124 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:47.639 a ghost there for sure. 125 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.560 Yeah. And Barkerville, the local Barker. 126 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:51.399 Yeah, I forgot about Barkerville. 127 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:52.920 How could you forget about Barker. I don't know. 128 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:54.839 I'm obsessed with that place. If you ever get the 129 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.480 chance to go to Barkerville, like you must, Yeah, we'll be. 130 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:59.519 Going there in the near future for sure. 131 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.839 And there bakery is amazing, like, oh yeah, go hungry, 132 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.360 Like it's getting better every year, is it. 133 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:07.199 I haven't gone for what like two years now? 134 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:08.360 Yeah, it's been too long. 135 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:10.879 We also got to give a shout out to our patrons, 136 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:13.800 of course, as we always do. We had a few 137 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:17.639 more patrons sign up this week. We have Ashley, Justine Smith, 138 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.439 and Eleanor love the name Eleanor by the way. 139 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.199 Yeah, well in all of those like you nail the names. 140 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:25.319 Those are razy, Paisy. 141 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.920 They were not challenging names at least I think unless 142 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:33.079 Justine Smith is like it's actually just Steiny Smithy or 143 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.319 something like that. And I just butchered it, and who knows, 144 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.680 You never know because there is different pronunciation. 145 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.360 There absolutely is, and yeah, and lots of times to 146 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.720 the way we pronounce stuff in Canada is different from 147 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.439 how they pronounce it in other areas of the world exactly. 148 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.240 So it's roll the dice a lot of the times. 149 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.600 Yeah, but honestly, we appreciate, Yeah, we do. 150 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:54.120 Even if we say your name right or wrong. We 151 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:56.360 still love you no matter what. There you go, even 152 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.120 if you're not on Patreon, you just listen to us. 153 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.480 Still love you. You're still awesome, You're still wicked. 154 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:02.720 Stay wicked. 155 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:04.240 Hey, that's the end of the episode. 156 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.160 Bye, okay, bye, have a good night. Could you imagine, 157 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.839 oh my gosh, I met I wonder Kate. It would 158 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:11.759 be funny. Okay, not really funny, but it would be 159 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:13.600 funny to put something out there like that just to 160 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:15.639 see how many emails we got where people were just 161 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.199 like the fuck jinks. 162 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:22.800 Wow. Okay, Well, I think that's enough of our shenanigans. 163 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:24.040 We're almost seven minutes into this. 164 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:26.920 Let's go. Let's say, Yeah, we need to recap two 165 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:28.600 of what happened on part one here. 166 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:32.199 So part one it's kind of hard to really recap 167 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.759 in detail of what part one was true. But basically, 168 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:39.399 we have this individual named Richard Speck growing up. By 169 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:41.120 the time he was about six years old, he was 170 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:44.079 your average, regular little boy. His dad unfortunately passed away 171 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:47.319 from a heart attack. Then he had the step dad 172 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:49.360 kind of come in who was an alcoholic, kind of 173 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:50.759 a no good kind of. 174 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:52.399 Person, wasn't it, Carl. 175 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.800 I believe it was a Carl. Yes, not cool Carl. 176 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:57.519 We got to keep that trend going here. 177 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.240 And growing up from there on out, his life kind 178 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.000 of took a turn for the worse, committing petting crimes 179 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:06.879 left right and center, and he began to in his 180 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:14.279 older years commit things like assault and rape. So all 181 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.399 the while he was unable to hold a job because 182 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.160 of his attitude towards women in life and everything in general. 183 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:23.639 He just became an all around dick head douche canoe. Yeah, 184 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.959 and here we are today where he is dressed all 185 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:30.199 in black after raping an individual and stealing her twenty 186 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.399 two caliber pistol. He now has this pistol in hand 187 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:36.360 with his switchblade in the other hand, dressed in all black, 188 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.559 heading on his way to where he's going to commit 189 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:41.879 mass murder to. 190 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:45.840 A nursing school or not nursing school but nursing. 191 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.600 Housing um or something townhouse. 192 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:53.600 Yeah, oh my gosh, okay, yeah, that you left. I 193 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:55.440 remember now it's coming back to me here because it 194 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:57.600 kind of just like toned it out a little bit 195 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.440 because I needed to. But this is going to get 196 00:08:59.440 --> 00:08:59.960 real shitty. 197 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.639 Well, and it was a lot of like information overload 198 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:05.639 in the other one. It was just more so on Richard, 199 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:10.200 and unfortunately this is still a Richard heavy episode. I 200 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.639 wanted it to be more about a survivor in this episode, 201 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:15.639 but there's not a whole lot of detail on her. 202 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.120 So I'm just going to kind of respect that, talk 203 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:20.360 about her as much as we know, and give her 204 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.320 her space as do as well. 205 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:27.480 Yeah that honestly, sometimes when people go through terrible things, 206 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.600 they probably just want to move on or as much 207 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:32.600 as they can, not that they totally can at all, 208 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:34.879 but like you know, they don't want to be on 209 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:36.600 podcasts maybe exactly. 210 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:41.000 So she's going to be our badass of the day. 211 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.480 I'm going to tell you that right now. But we'll 212 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:45.960 get to that, Okay. So we're starting off on the 213 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.960 evening of July thirteenth, in nineteen sixty six, just after 214 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:53.000 ten pm. Richard is dressed all in black and armed 215 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:56.720 with his usual switchblade and the new twenty two caliber 216 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:00.639 pistol that we just mentioned. He had spent most of 217 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:03.039 his day drinking and was now making his way down 218 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:07.080 the street towards a townhouse complex. Now, the complex was 219 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.519 about a mile walk from where he was staying, and 220 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.399 it functioned as a dormhouse for nine nursing students students 221 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:17.759 that attended the South Chicago Community Hospital. The nine students 222 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:21.080 were busy studying for their upcoming exams, all the good 223 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.600 stuff that comes along with being a student. Right now, 224 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.919 it was about eleven PM that Richard arrived at the home. 225 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.039 He knew exactly where it was, he knew exactly where 226 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:32.120 he was going, and when he got there, he knew 227 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:35.720 he needed to make his entrance as quiet as possible. Now, 228 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.879 the front door would draw far too much attention, and 229 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.840 he needed to get inside without being noticed, so he 230 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:45.639 went to the back of the building. He used his 231 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:51.039 switchblade to pry open a windows screen and he crawled inside. 232 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:54.879 He crept through the shadows of the unlit area on 233 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:57.840 the main floor and began slowly climbing the stairs to 234 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.720 the top floor, where all the rooms were. He came 235 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:04.879 across the first door and he moved towards it. He 236 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:08.720 weighed his options. Should he barge in or should he wait? 237 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:12.480 He knew there were multiple residents of the house. As 238 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:14.480 I had mentioned, He knew where this place was, and 239 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.080 he had passed it many times before on his way 240 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:19.720 to and from a finding work and over to his 241 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:25.000 hotel room. He knew who resided inside, so he didn't 242 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.519 really want to wait either though. He had an agenda 243 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:32.240 and he wanted to act on his sick ideas, so 244 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.000 in order to avoid any immediate suspicion, he acted as 245 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:39.279 though as he simply belonged. He raised his hand up 246 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.320 to the door and he knocked. 247 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.600 Oh my gosh, I wasn't expecting that. But I also 248 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.200 just have to say, the idea that you're just like 249 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.039 in your home, like studying, sleeping, whatever, and someone is 250 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:57.320 like literally lurking around and then gets into your home 251 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.000 is disturbing. 252 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.360 Well, as we talked about in part one, Richard is 253 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.120 about as creepy as you fucking get. 254 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:09.000 Yeah, so, but the idea of that is just like gosh, 255 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:14.279 like ha, like I'm in my brain right now, I'm like, Okay, 256 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:15.440 what the fuck do I need to lock? 257 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.840 We've covered episodes before where it was like you probably 258 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:21.639 want to lock your like what was that one the 259 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.799 bedroom Strangler? Is that it where it was like the 260 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:25.720 third or fourth floor? 261 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.399 They come, oh, yeah, there are numerous cases where people 262 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.519 literally like scale buildings. Yeah, like you think you're safe 263 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:34.559 in like a fourth floor, fifth floor, sixth floor, whatever, balcony, 264 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:36.360 you're freaking not like lock your door. 265 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:39.240 Yeah, even your balcony door, because they like you said. 266 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.240 Scale and then like you need a window that freaking 267 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.559 locks as well. Apparently yep. 268 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.879 So well, I'm pretty sure most windows nowadays do lock. 269 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:51.159 Two Yeah, but this was kind of like like a. 270 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:53.600 Little bit older, but cas well and windows do get 271 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:55.039 left open or whatever. 272 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.799 Oh yeah, So so he knocks on the fucking door. 273 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:02.480 Yeah, he knocks on the door, and a moment later 274 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:05.279 the door opened up. Now in front of Richard stood 275 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.120 a twenty three year old Filipino exchange student nurse by 276 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:14.279 the name of Corazanto Amaro. Now, Richard wasted no time. 277 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.480 The first thing Corazon saw when she opened the door 278 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.960 was the twenty two caliber pistol pointed directly at her face. 279 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.279 She was left with no other choice but to comply 280 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:26.480 with Richard's demands. 281 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:28.159 Oh Man, and. 282 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.240 What he wanted was for her to help gather up 283 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.320 all of her other housemates. 284 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.000 See, I don't know. I feel like in that scenario, 285 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.039 like if you just made a ton of noise and 286 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:44.559 just started freaking out, like I mean, yeah, I guess 287 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:46.360 that he would have shot. He could have shot. You 288 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:51.799 should be dead, I guess. I don't know. Sometimes though, 289 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:53.720 with attackers, it seems like if you make a huge 290 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:57.360 fussy he could have got scared and run away. That's true, 291 00:13:57.360 --> 00:14:00.320 But you are rolling the dice yep. 292 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.120 Yeah, because you're probably you have a gun in your face. 293 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.039 You're probably going to freeze, and you're just going to 294 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:07.480 freeze too when you see that. 295 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:11.679 So I mean, like I said, gun in her face, 296 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:14.440 and like you said, she froze. Yeah, So she had 297 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:17.320 no other choice. One by one, she led him around 298 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.440 the house and they woke five other nursing students. 299 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:21.440 Yikes. 300 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:25.519 Now, the five women were Matilda Garulo, who is twenty three, 301 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:31.120 Valentina Passen who is twenty three, Patricia Mettusik who is twenty, 302 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:36.120 Pamela Wilkening, who is twenty and Nina Joe Schmail, who 303 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:40.559 is twenty four. Then he brought them into the largest 304 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:44.279 room in the house and he began to tie them up. Now, 305 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:47.080 he wasn't able to complete this task very easy though, 306 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:51.639 he would have to put his gun down to do this, 307 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.720 So while using his knife to cut strips from a 308 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:58.360 bed sheet to tie them up, he never let his 309 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.679 gun be very far away from him. He kept it 310 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:04.000 close enough so that in an instant he could reach 311 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.080 over and grab it and have it at any moment. Yeah. 312 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.159 But also the fact that he didn't have anything just 313 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.320 ready to tie them up, like he really doesn't seem 314 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.039 to he really thought about it that much through. 315 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:20.519 Well, he's done this before. He used someone's housecoat and 316 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:21.759 cut it in strips to. 317 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:22.360 Tie them up. 318 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:27.039 Okay, so this is his method almost kind of like 319 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.279 a calling card of his fucking scenario. 320 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:33.440 Yeah, I hate that, hate that. Yeah, okay, and sorry, 321 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:35.159 how many people does he have in the freaking living 322 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:35.799 room right now? 323 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.759 Well, he went gathered five up with the help of Corazones, 324 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:41.120 so he has currently six. 325 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:42.240 Six nursing students. 326 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.720 Okay. So needless to say, though, like women are terrified 327 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:48.639 as they're systematically having their hands bound behind their backs 328 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.279 and ankles cinched tight together. 329 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:51.799 Oh my gosh, I could only imagine. 330 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:56.440 Yeah, they were no doubt scared, but the women managed 331 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:58.480 to keep calm and they tried to talk to Richard. 332 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:02.279 So far, he seemed very calm himself and was talking 333 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.960 very gently, and it's very reminiscent of how he had 334 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.200 treated some other victims in the past as well, one 335 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.679 of them being are saying that he was almost like 336 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:12.240 a gentleman. 337 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.080 Oh yeah, like almost kind So. 338 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.000 It's the same sort of situation. He had them all 339 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:20.080 sitting on the floor, and he actually sat down on 340 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:21.759 the floor as well on the other end of the room. 341 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:24.720 He lit up a cigarette and he chatted with the women. 342 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:28.240 Wow also reassured them that he didn't want to hurt anyone. 343 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:30.519 He just wanted some money so he could leave town 344 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:35.279 on a ship to New Orleans. His conversation and lighthearted 345 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.559 demeanor was easily reflected in the way that the six 346 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:42.720 women spoke back to him. Now, after all, he was 347 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:46.840 talking to multiple nursing students, students who would have gone 348 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.519 through training and classes based on dealing with patients who 349 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:54.279 are going through things like trauma, anxiety, and I'm sure 350 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.799 a whole other plethora of emotions. Yeah, so psychology was 351 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:02.159 their weapon of choice in this situation. They kept calm, 352 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:06.440 they talked compassionately, compassionately with him, They joked, they tried 353 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.720 and you know, laughing and being light hearted or doing 354 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.920 whatever they need to, and they complied with his requests. 355 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.799 Their hopes were that he would simply tie them up, 356 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:17.799 take some of the possessions around the house, and then 357 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:18.519 be honest. 358 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.640 And then honestly, that's very impressive, it is. And they 359 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.119 probably just the fact though, how he sounds when he's 360 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.519 like talking to people, and like the situation, the vibe 361 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:30.480 or whatever of what's going on, you almost probably think 362 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.039 in your head, Okay, this isn't going to go that badly, 363 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:34.400 that's right. 364 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.720 Yeah, And their hopes are probably up because they're probably 365 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.680 seeing this reaction from the individual to training they've received. Yes, 366 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:44.880 they're like, oh, it's going how it says it goes exactly, 367 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:49.680 So if we keep this up, we'll be fine. Yeah, 368 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:51.720 I mean that was their hope. 369 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:53.079 But well, it makes sense. 370 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:55.559 It was a far cry from how there soon to 371 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:56.759 be reality would play out. 372 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:58.480 Unfortunately, I figured. 373 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:02.839 Yeah, so soon another housemate would make her way home 374 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:04.160 from a date with her boyfriend. 375 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.359 Oh man, if only that date lasts longer. 376 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.480 This would be twenty two year old Gloria Jeane Davey. 377 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.079 She was dropped off by her boyfriend and she was 378 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:15.359 quickly added to the group of captives in the home, 379 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.759 making the total of people in Richard's holding seven individuals. 380 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:23.400 Oh my gosh, that is terrible. Yeah, and the boyfriend, 381 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:25.680 I can only imagine he's like shit, like if only 382 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.880 I like walked her in, but like you wouldn't think 383 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:29.559 anything like that would be going on in there. 384 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:32.000 Yeah, especially like sure you walk her to the front door, 385 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:35.119 she goes in, yeah, good night. Whatever, she goes into 386 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.920 the house, she doesn't know until she's upstairs. You probably 387 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:41.200 don't know until you're gone. She probably didn't scream because 388 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:43.039 she's going to have a gun in her face immediately. 389 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:43.519 Yeah. 390 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:48.799 So unless this man went in with her, he wouldn't 391 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:50.799 have known. And if he went in with her, he 392 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.000 probably would have been right there with the girls, maybe 393 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:54.440 even shot on spot, who knows. 394 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:55.680 That's very true. Yep. 395 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.359 So it's definitely not one of those situations where oh 396 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.680 if only, well, if only, it probably would have ended 397 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:05.680 up being worse honestly. 398 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:07.279 Well, yeah, I mean, if only the date might have 399 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.240 lasted a smidge longer or something. Is the only if only? 400 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:15.000 Probably eh? Oh okay, okay, never mind. 401 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:20.000