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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to my podcast. This is an audio

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to my channel, Vice Rhino here. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you know that Christian apologists are a bunch of liars?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean not all of them, of course, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a lot of them. And before you run

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<v Speaker 2>down to the comment section to declare that all of

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<v Speaker 2>them are in fact liars, I would just like to

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<v Speaker 2>point out that I did a brief stint as an

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<v Speaker 2>amateur Christian apologist myself, and I can tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>I one hundred percent believed everything that was on my website. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>much of what was there was the result of me

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<v Speaker 2>believing someone else's lie, so it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>lie laundering. But had my life taken a slightly different trajectory,

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<v Speaker 2>my YouTube channel would have ended up being the honest

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<v Speaker 2>version of Matt Powell. Okay, maybe I wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 2>that bad. I would like to think that I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>enough of an idiot for people to make montages of

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<v Speaker 2>the stupid things that I've said.

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<v Speaker 3>But in space, wouldn't it be a different scenario based

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<v Speaker 3>on the fact that you know, the the space and

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<v Speaker 3>the air in the space is much different than the

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<v Speaker 3>air we have here. They believe that rocks evolved, that

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<v Speaker 3>you had smaller rocks that somehow morphed into larger rocks

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<v Speaker 3>that out of his mouth go burning lamps and sparks,

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<v Speaker 3>the fire leap out. The dinosaurs they discovered have the

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<v Speaker 3>dragons they discovered have chambers in the back of their

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<v Speaker 3>heads where they can breathe fire. But that's just a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of things. I mean, if it's about survival of

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<v Speaker 3>the fittest, and we evolved from African Americans into other Americans,

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<v Speaker 3>what about the African Americans that are still alive today. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see anything wrong with quote Miny. I believe

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<v Speaker 3>if we study history, you know the Confederates were able

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<v Speaker 3>to shoot pterodactyls t recks, they had short, stubby arms,

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<v Speaker 3>and apparently now the chickens able to do a handstand

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<v Speaker 3>with those arms. Think about this, we have more in

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<v Speaker 3>common genetically in certain areas with a gorilla than with

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<v Speaker 3>an ape. Yet they say genetically we evolve from apes.

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<v Speaker 3>We can tell based on genetics. Honestly, John, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know a ton of technical terms. I'm very simple when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to science. I just enjoy simple science.

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<v Speaker 2>Though I have said my fair share of stupidship, so

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<v Speaker 2>a montage could be made. Difference between me and Powell

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<v Speaker 2>is that I would find it hilarious. My point is,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that not all apologists are liars, because I

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<v Speaker 2>used to be one and I wasn't. But I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>a stage in my career where I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 2>I want to keep giving apologists the benefit of the doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>My policy used to be that I'd assume that they

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<v Speaker 2>were being honest but were just mistaken unless there was

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that they were actually lying. But I have seen

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<v Speaker 2>that play out so many times now that I am

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<v Speaker 2>seriously reconsidering that policy. Anyway, I thought it would be

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to examine some times when I've caught apologists in

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<v Speaker 2>some rather blatant lies. So let's go. Where should we begin?

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<v Speaker 2>How about Calvin of Answers in Genesis Canada. Their two

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<v Speaker 2>most recent videos as of this writing, have been entirely

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<v Speaker 2>culture war nonsense. You know, the tired old trope about

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<v Speaker 2>how belief and evolution leads to everything that they think

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<v Speaker 2>is currently wrong with society, nothing worth responding to on

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<v Speaker 2>its own. But just get a load of this clip.

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<v Speaker 4>Here and simultaneously watching most of our country's leaders act

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<v Speaker 4>the complete fool and seeming to hyper focus on issues

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<v Speaker 4>that don't help our current social or economic situations whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you listening to the podcast version, while

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking about current world leaders not helping our

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<v Speaker 2>social or economic situations, he was showing b role of

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<v Speaker 2>three people. Those people were Justin Trudeau, Joe Biden, and

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris. This video was released on June nineteenth. None

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<v Speaker 2>of those people have the kind of political power he

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about. You want to talk about a leader

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't seem interested in doing anything to help our

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<v Speaker 2>economic situations. Do you know why gas prices are what

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<v Speaker 2>they are right now? It definitely isn't because of any

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<v Speaker 2>of the people that he is trying to link with

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<v Speaker 2>our economic situation. Turns out, when you start a war

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<v Speaker 2>the world's supply of oil that makes oil prices go up?

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<v Speaker 2>Who could possibly have known, aside from you know, literally

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<v Speaker 2>every economist and politician to come before Trump. But they

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<v Speaker 2>are blaming a bunch of people who had nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>War and then complaining that they aren't doing anything to

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<v Speaker 2>fix it from their current position of nonpower. How the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck is Biden supposed to lower gas prices right now?

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<v Speaker 2>My dude, what do you expect a bunch of former

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<v Speaker 2>politicians to do about the current political situation? And why

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<v Speaker 2>is the main guy who is in charge of the

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<v Speaker 2>most powerful nation in the world not being included here?

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<v Speaker 5>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I do actually know why they're not including Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>their scare mongering montage. It's because they are ideologically tied

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<v Speaker 2>to him, and their comfort with Trump exposes another lie.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't care about adhering to their principles. They are

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<v Speaker 2>quite willing to comp there as long as the person

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<v Speaker 2>they support who violates their principles enables their political goals,

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<v Speaker 2>things like outlying abortion, restricting rights for LGBTQ people, eroding

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<v Speaker 2>public education, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>With cultural norms such as typical roles for males and females,

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<v Speaker 4>marriage between one man and one woman as a permanent covenant,

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<v Speaker 4>sanctity of life, rewards for good deeds, and punishment for crimes,

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<v Speaker 4>et cetera, all which were originally based on scripture being

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<v Speaker 4>turned on their heads.

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<v Speaker 2>If they think that a politician can help them attain

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<v Speaker 2>their goals, then it doesn't matter that he's been divorced

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times and is cheated on every single one of

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<v Speaker 2>his wives. It doesn't matter how prominent he is in

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<v Speaker 2>the Epstein files. It doesn't matter that he is an

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<v Speaker 2>adjudicated rapist. What does matter is that he has directly

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<v Speaker 2>enabled the curtailing of rights for women and LGBTQ people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm old enough that I remember the Clinton impeachment. I

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<v Speaker 2>was attending a fairly conservative Christian school at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember several of the teachers making points about

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<v Speaker 2>how we can't trust a politician who would be unfaithful

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<v Speaker 2>in private, because his private indiscretions speak to a deeper

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<v Speaker 2>moral problem that will taint his political work. But now

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<v Speaker 2>that the guy in charge is friendly to Christian fundamentalists,

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly his private behavior doesn't matter. We're all sinners, after all.

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<v Speaker 2>We must forgive him Christianity is all about extending grace

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<v Speaker 2>to people who need it, except LGBTQ people or women

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<v Speaker 2>or children who would like to eat lunch at school,

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<v Speaker 2>or anyone of a religion other than Christianity, or those

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<v Speaker 2>of no religion. Okay, so I guess it's functionally only

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<v Speaker 2>about extending grace to those who are in your in group. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>remember how Answers and Genesis has that article about how

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<v Speaker 2>they think lying is always wrong, to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't even lie to a Nazi to save a Jew.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not bringing that up to point out their hypocrisy,

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<v Speaker 2>not today at least, but let me read you an

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<v Speaker 2>excerpt from that article. Quote. Suppose a Jew comes to

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<v Speaker 2>your house in Nazi Germany and seeks refuge. Shortly thereafter,

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<v Speaker 2>the SS knock on your door and demand that you

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<v Speaker 2>turn over any Jew who is in your home. Will

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<v Speaker 2>you lie to THEESS or tell the true This example

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<v Speaker 2>is cleverly constructed to solicit the response that you will

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<v Speaker 2>lie to protect the Jew in your home. Using the

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<v Speaker 2>Jew in its argument is designed to elicit the maximum

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<v Speaker 2>emotional response. The Nazis also hunted down sexual deviantce like

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<v Speaker 2>homosexuals transvestites and lesbians, as well as the intellectually disabled

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<v Speaker 2>or physically impaired in their eugenical quest for the master race.

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<v Speaker 2>This paragraph says more about the values of the people

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<v Speaker 2>at AIG than the author likely intended. What I get

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<v Speaker 2>from this is that they would have a much easier

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<v Speaker 2>time turning LGBTQ and disabled people over to the Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>than they would to assist gendered, heterosexual Jewish person It

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<v Speaker 2>also shows what I have now come to understand to

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<v Speaker 2>be a sloppiness that is pervasive throughout answers in genesis

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<v Speaker 2>first and least important, but my pedantry won't let us slide.

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<v Speaker 2>They use the adjective illicit, which is used to describe

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<v Speaker 2>something which isn't allowed, when they meant to use illicit,

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<v Speaker 2>a verb that means to draw out or bring forth.

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<v Speaker 2>They are homophones, so when speaking, they sound the same,

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<v Speaker 2>but their meanings are quite different. They also have homosexuals

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<v Speaker 2>less is just a word that means homosexual woman, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's rather redundant. Transvestite is also an outdated term, And

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of outdated terms, you may have noticed that I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't read the last sentence verbatim because I'm not comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>with slurs. I'm sure their defense for most of this

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<v Speaker 2>would be that they were using the terminology that the

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<v Speaker 2>Nazis would have been using, But it seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>that using Nazi terminology to describe Nazis persecuting people that

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<v Speaker 2>you apparently also want to persecute isn't really great for optics.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is an organization that is actively working towards

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<v Speaker 2>a goal of persecuting marginalized groups, though they will at

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<v Speaker 2>least claim to care about people's disabilities, and they are

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<v Speaker 2>willing to lie in furtherance of that goal and support

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<v Speaker 2>politicians who violate many of the values that they claim

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<v Speaker 2>to hold. One final example of AIG lying before we

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<v Speaker 2>move on, in the second part of their culture War video,

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<v Speaker 2>Calvin said this about Canada's medical assistance and dying laws.

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<v Speaker 4>And countries like my own Canada have instituted horrific procedures

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<v Speaker 4>a euthanasia platform that's constantly being expanded to target more

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<v Speaker 2>Now, whether or not you agree with medical assistance in

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<v Speaker 2>dying is completely irrelevant here. I am just pointing out

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<v Speaker 2>Calvin's lies. The eligibility requirements for made are freely available

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<v Speaker 2>There are five criteria you must meet in order to

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<v Speaker 2>be eligible, and you must meet all of them. First,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be eligible for our socialized healthcare. Second,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be at least eighteen and mentally competent,

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<v Speaker 2>which they define as being capable of making health care

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<v Speaker 2>decisions for yourself. Third, you have to have a grievous

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<v Speaker 2>and irremediable medical condition. Fourth, you have to make a

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<v Speaker 2>voluntary request for medical assistance and dying, which cannot be

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<v Speaker 2>the result of outside pressure or influence. And fifth, you

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<v Speaker 2>must give informed consent to receive medical assistance in dying. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>in these criteria, how in the world would that target

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<v Speaker 2>out for themselves. He said, it's continually expanding, but the

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<v Speaker 2>only expansion of this law has been the expansion of

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<v Speaker 2>a mental illness whose implementation keeps getting delayed. Again, regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of your opinion on the law itself, Calvin is lying

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<v Speaker 2>about it, all right. Who else do we have? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>unobvious choice, since I've already brought him up, would be

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Powell. So let's get him out of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Here he is at the end of a response video

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<v Speaker 2>that he made to Lifestyle of vlogger Anna Campbell.

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<v Speaker 3>Anna, you know, Lord bless you. I hope, I hope

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<v Speaker 3>that this video finds you, and I hope that you

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<v Speaker 3>see it and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and

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<v Speaker 3>now shall be saved. You're not like a typical atheist

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<v Speaker 3>just let you know that, you know, Paul and I

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<v Speaker 3>here on the show today, we wish the very best

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go. Anna isn't like the typical atheist

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<v Speaker 2>he deals with. Where's the lie? Well, here's a brief

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<v Speaker 3>There.

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<v Speaker 6>Do I believe in God? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Do I believe in a higher intelligent power that is

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<v Speaker 4>not only with us, but is us and we are it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Now, would you say that that's the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>thing that an atheist would be likely to say? Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>and definitionally not. Matt took her nineteen minute and forty

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty four seconds when he responded to it, as

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<v Speaker 2>we can briefly see when he begins playing her video

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<v Speaker 2>at the start of his, which is not an inherently

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<v Speaker 2>bad thing to do. I once responded to a Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Winger video that was nearly an hour and a half long,

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<v Speaker 2>and before I scripted my response, I went through his

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<v Speaker 2>six minutes long. But the issue here is one of substance.

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<v Speaker 2>What I was cutting out of Mike's video was him

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<v Speaker 2>said that made it too obvious that she isn't an aist.

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<v Speaker 2>He used this video to say that the things that

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<v Speaker 2>her explanation of why she believes in a deistic god

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<v Speaker 2>with any references to the deistic god that she believes,

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<v Speaker 2>and removed as supporting evidence of the magical thinking of atheists.

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<v Speaker 2>He couldn't find an atheist that would say in a

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<v Speaker 3>Taboot, She seems like she might be mouldable, But I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, Matt Powell's just some silly little guy. As far

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<v Speaker 2>how about someone like Alan Parr. His YouTube channel has

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Turrek, Elisa Childers, and Mike Winger, just to name

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<v Speaker 2>a few. Here he is explaining that slavery in the

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<v Speaker 2>ancient Hebrew world was primarily a voluntary welfare program of sorts.

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<v Speaker 5>In the Hebrew culture, slavery was primarily volitional. So, in

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<v Speaker 5>other words, if a person was too poor to provide

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<v Speaker 5>could provide for them or pay off all of their debt.

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<v Speaker 5>Others would choose to be slaves to ensure that all

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<v Speaker 5>of their basic needs were met by their master. Either way,

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<v Speaker 2>Notice the Bible verse he has displayed there. I'll go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and read it as he's showing it, Exodus twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one five through six. But if the servant declares, I

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<v Speaker 2>then he will be his servant for life. Okay, that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't sound so bad. A servant decides to remain a

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<v Speaker 2>servant because of how much he loves his master. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But wait a second, why are there a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>ellipses in the verse. Let's go ahead and look it

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<v Speaker 2>up for ourselves, shall we. Huh. Alan seems to have

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<v Speaker 2>servant declares, I love my master and my wife and

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<v Speaker 2>children and do not want to go free, then his

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<v Speaker 2>him to the door or the door post and pierce

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<v Speaker 2>his ear with an awl. Then he will be his

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<v Speaker 2>servant for life. Alan seems to have left out the

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<v Speaker 2>part where the master physically disfigures the servant in order

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<v Speaker 2>to make him a servant for life. And what was

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<v Speaker 2>all that about a wife and kids? Where did they

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<v Speaker 2>come from? Well, maybe we can find out by reading

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<v Speaker 2>some context, starting at verse two quote, if you buy

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<v Speaker 2>a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years,

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<v Speaker 2>but in the seventh year he shall go free without

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<v Speaker 2>paying anything. If he comes alone, he is to go

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<v Speaker 2>free alone. But if he has a wife when he comes,

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<v Speaker 2>she is to go with him. If his master gives

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<v Speaker 2>the woman and her children shall belong to her master,

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<v Speaker 2>and only the man shall go free. But if the

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<v Speaker 2>servant declares, I love my master and my wife and children,

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<v Speaker 2>and do not want to go free, then the master

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<v Speaker 2>m has taken before the judges. He shall take him

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<v Speaker 2>to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear

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<v Speaker 2>with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we actually read the full passage without chopping

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<v Speaker 2>bits out of the middle, then we see that a

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrew servant can be given a wife during his tenure,

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<v Speaker 2>but when he goes free, his wife and any children

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<v Speaker 2>that he had with her remain the property of the master.

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<v Speaker 2>So if he actually wants to stay with his family,

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<v Speaker 2>he has to give up his freedom for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of his life. But Alan presented this as the servant

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<v Speaker 2>loving the master so much that he's just content to

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<v Speaker 2>be a lifelong servant. And it's not like Alan was

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<v Speaker 2>just unaware of this context. He chose not to show it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he never addressed it in the video. He was

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<v Speaker 2>lying to make the Bible look better.

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<v Speaker 5>Than it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, hey, this verse is just talking about servants, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not slaves. Well, this part I can't prove definitively, but

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<v Speaker 2>given his apparent comfort with lying about what the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>the NIV translation specifically to avoid the use of the

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<v Speaker 2>word slave. Because the thing is, this passage is describing

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<v Speaker 2>a situation where someone can be coerced into providing a

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<v Speaker 2>lifetime of unpaid labor. The word for such a person

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<v Speaker 2>is not servant, it is slave, and my preferred translation

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<v Speaker 2>the ESV uses that word quote. But if the slave

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<v Speaker 2>plainly says I love my master, my wife, and my children,

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<v Speaker 2>I will not go out free, then his master or

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<v Speaker 2>to the door or the doorpost, and his master shall

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<v Speaker 2>bore his ear through with an all, and he shall

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<v Speaker 2>be his slave forever. But sure, Alan, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>totally voluntary system intended to provide welfare for the poor.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a break. And I mentioned that Alan had

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Turrek on Have I caught Turrek in a lie?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>But his are a bit more subtle than blatantly editing

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<v Speaker 2>the text of the Bible to make it more palatable.

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<v Speaker 2>The example that comes immediately to mind is his story

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<v Speaker 2>of America for having written a book about why being

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<v Speaker 2>about what someone was saying in my video about people lying, now,

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<v Speaker 2>would I? So here's that clip.

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<v Speaker 6>Back in twenty eleven, I was fired from two companies

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<v Speaker 6>that I was doing corporate training for. I was fired

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<v Speaker 2>Now, from that story, you'd think that he actually worked

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<v Speaker 2>include Bank of America. So what it actually looks like

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<v Speaker 2>homosexual manager. Sorry, that's how he actually refers to the

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<v Speaker 2>person in his article sex at Work in this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just an anonymous someone. If he were fired and

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<v Speaker 2>because of his religious beliefs, as all of the articles

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<v Speaker 2>about the events say, and one hundred percent of which

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<v Speaker 2>are told from Frank's perspective, then he could easily have

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<v Speaker 2>sued them for wrongful termination, but it was far more

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<v Speaker 2>valuable to Frank to be able to use this as

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<v Speaker 2>a culture war moment. There are two possibilities that I

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<v Speaker 2>fired because of the book and a lawsuit would reveal

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<v Speaker 2>that fact, or he was but being able to use

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<v Speaker 2>the story as part of his culture warstick was more

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<v Speaker 2>you can't really say that you've been canceled for your

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<v Speaker 2>non woke opinions if you win that lawsuit, so best

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<v Speaker 2>not to even sue in the first place. Or I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose the third option, and most likely in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>him again. And if that third option is the case,

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<v Speaker 2>then I hope an analogy will suffice to explain why

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<v Speaker 2>Frank isn't entirely honest about it. Imagine I was a

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<v Speaker 2>cross Examined dot org, and then they found out about

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<v Speaker 2>my atheist YouTube channel and decided they didn't want me

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<v Speaker 2>giving talks to their staff anymore, so they stopped hiring

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<v Speaker 2>me for that. I'm sure Frank would argue that this

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<v Speaker 2>contractors who have a fundamental conflict in values with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I might even be inclined to agree with that. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this lie is, at the end of the day, rather

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<v Speaker 2>inconsequential on its own, but it does show that is

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<v Speaker 2>willing to at least bend the truth to make it

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<v Speaker 2>suit his narrative. But then there's a different kind of lie,

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<v Speaker 2>the kind where if the person were just some random schmuck,

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<v Speaker 2>they might simply be mistaken or uninformed about what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>But they aren't just some random schmuck. They have advanced

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<v Speaker 2>credentials in a relevant field. They couldn't have made it

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<v Speaker 2>through the schooling necessary to receive those credentials without learning

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<v Speaker 2>that the thing that they are saying is wrong. So

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<v Speaker 2>they aren't just wrong, they are lying. For example, here

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<v Speaker 2>is doctor Tim Clary, who has a PhD in geology,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the formation of shale.

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<v Speaker 7>And so there is that process that's happening today that

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<v Speaker 7>clays in that respects do slowly said a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>stagnant water. So their argument is, if you have all

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<v Speaker 7>this clay that became shale, you know, hundreds of feet

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<v Speaker 7>of shale in one location or a thousands of feet

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<v Speaker 7>of shale. Shale is the most common stateimentary I rock

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<v Speaker 2>Water, So clay particles settle out of stagnant or near

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<v Speaker 2>slowly shale forms, it would take millions to billions of

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<v Speaker 2>years to make the amount of it that we see

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<v Speaker 2>on the Earth. Except that's not entirely true. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it is true that, given what we know of rock formation,

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<v Speaker 2>the Earth has to be billions of years old in

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<v Speaker 2>order to accumulate the rocks that have formed. But specific

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<v Speaker 2>to the deposition of clay particles, it is a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>basic fact of geology that there are several depositional environments

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<v Speaker 2>that can deposit clay, many of which are not stagnant

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<v Speaker 2>or near stagnant. Well, maybe he was generalizing, Except no,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't. The whole point of that line of argumentation

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<v Speaker 2>was to bring up an experiment where the researchers observe

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<v Speaker 2>clay particles being deposited in water that was moving at

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<v Speaker 2>one foot per second.

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<v Speaker 7>You really see in the real world there has to

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<v Speaker 7>be moving water, and they found it yet to be

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<v Speaker 7>water moving at least a foot per second. Do you

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<v Speaker 7>get these little laminations of these old thin layers.

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<v Speaker 2>When I initially responded to this video, I was unable

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<v Speaker 2>to find such an experiment. He didn't name the experiment

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<v Speaker 2>or the researchers, so there's not really a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>go on. Today I did find a paper that he

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<v Speaker 2>might have been talking about, but it still doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>match what he said. They were looking at scenarios in

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<v Speaker 2>which clay could be deposited on a riverbed, and while

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't really talk about overall speed of the water,

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<v Speaker 2>the sheer velocities they were looking at do have some

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<v Speaker 2>that were around the one foot per second or zero

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<v Speaker 2>point three meters per second to use civilized measurements. But

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't the kind of deposition that would result in shale.

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<v Speaker 2>The clay particles only made up about one percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the deposition by mass, and they were only deposited in

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<v Speaker 2>localized protected zones. But all of that is rather beside

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<v Speaker 2>the point. He has presented a scenario where the geologists

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<v Speaker 2>are ignoring that clay can be deposited in water that

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<v Speaker 2>is moving, and in spite of the evidence to the contrary,

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<v Speaker 2>they won't update the textbooks.

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<v Speaker 7>They'll see the textbooks. Even though this has been happening,

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<v Speaker 7>like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, has

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<v Speaker 7>been publications on this, people really aren't grabbing on to

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<v Speaker 7>it because it does go against the Old Earth ideas that, wow,

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<v Speaker 7>clay's really had a depositive moving water that seems to

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<v Speaker 7>fit more with catastrophism, seems to fit more with a

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<v Speaker 7>global flood, and so there's a lot of textbooks there

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<v Speaker 7>just they're not even bringing that up.

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<v Speaker 2>However, if we open the textbook A Practical Guide to

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<v Speaker 2>Introductory Geology from twenty twenty, we find this handy dandy

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<v Speaker 2>little table that shows the various seediment types that can

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<v Speaker 2>be expected in various depositional environments, and several of the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that include clay are environments that would definitely involve

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<v Speaker 2>moving water, like river deltas and tidal flats. He is

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<v Speaker 2>relying on the fact that most people don't know enough

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<v Speaker 2>about geology to contest what he's saying, even though to

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<v Speaker 2>have a PhD in geology he has to know that

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<v Speaker 2>what he's saying is not true. That's what we call

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<v Speaker 2>a liar. Now let's move on to someone who's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more slippery, Mike Winger. Here he is doing

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<v Speaker 2>one of his Ten Questions live streams where he answers

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<v Speaker 2>questions from his audience, taking one about divine hiddenness.

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<v Speaker 8>The hiddenness and silence of God is causing me doubts.

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<v Speaker 8>Is there any advice or help you can offer, such

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<v Speaker 8>as that God is silent now because revelation has been

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<v Speaker 8>complete with the New Testament. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>The main thing I'd like you to notice about that

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<v Speaker 2>question is that the person was asking for themselves. Hey, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>I am struggling with this problem. Please help me. The

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<v Speaker 2>first thing he does in his response is to reframe

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<v Speaker 2>it from here's a problem that you, a believe in

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<v Speaker 2>Christian are experiencing into The divine hiddenness argument is a

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<v Speaker 2>philosophical argument that non believers use.

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<v Speaker 8>The hiddenness of God is one of the It's simultaneously

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<v Speaker 8>a philosophical argument against God's existence or at least against

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<v Speaker 8>God's love, and on the other hand, it is also

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<v Speaker 8>a very emotionally heavy and influential argument.

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<v Speaker 2>He then goes on to treat this as though the

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<v Speaker 2>divine hiddeness argument is being made by someone who is

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<v Speaker 2>not a Christian.

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<v Speaker 8>So if you had a sincere non believer, a non

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<v Speaker 8>believer who was sincerely looking and searching for God but

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<v Speaker 8>not finding God, that would perhaps prove that God doesn't

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<v Speaker 8>really love them and want them saved.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, he explicitly states that he's talking about God

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<v Speaker 2>hiding from this hypothetical person.

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<v Speaker 8>This is the divine hiddenist thing, So God's hiding from

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<v Speaker 8>this person, this hypothetical person.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, the person who asked this question was not a

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<v Speaker 2>hypothetical person. They were a Christian who was starting to

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<v Speaker 2>have doubts because, despite the fact that they had been

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<v Speaker 2>diligently seeking God, God seemed to be ignoring them. But

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<v Speaker 2>it gets worse when addressing the actual divine Hiddennis argument.

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<v Speaker 8>Mike says this, I've seen atheists who bring a divine

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<v Speaker 8>hiddenist argument, and the way they do it, it's as

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<v Speaker 8>though the argument was an afterthought to their atheism. And

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<v Speaker 8>they say to me, how sincerely, I'm not saying every

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<v Speaker 8>atheist is like this, I'm merely giving one example of

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<v Speaker 8>one way this can play out. They say like, hey,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm going to spend a little time, like really praying,

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<v Speaker 8>really going to church, even really maybe singing worship songs

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<v Speaker 8>as a way of later being able to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 8>I thought the Lord Lord, I really tried, and that

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<v Speaker 8>confirms my atheism one more time. Perhaps the agenda here

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<v Speaker 8>was a way of proving themselves right about God all along.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we have a slippery kind of lie. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't outright tell a falsehood, but he did completely reframe

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<v Speaker 2>the question in order to avoid having to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the hard truth that there are Christians who sincerely seek

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<v Speaker 2>God but don't find him. Such a thing is impossible

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<v Speaker 2>for someone like Mike, so rather than actually answer their question,

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<v Speaker 2>he pretended that they were actually talking about some hypothetical

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<v Speaker 2>atheist friend of theirs. Somehow, he still manages to get worse.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've already left a link to the video where

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<v Speaker 2>I respond to that one in full, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to rehash it here. Though he does explicitly say

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<v Speaker 2>that the kind of person that the question is is

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of person who does not exist. So on

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<v Speaker 2>top of being dishonest, he also took someone who was

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<v Speaker 2>coming to him for help in their time of need

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<v Speaker 2>and then said that they are a kind of person

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<v Speaker 2>who can't exist. So we've seen apologists unambiguously lie about

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<v Speaker 2>facts easy to check, lie about the positions that are

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<v Speaker 2>held by people they respond to, lie about the actual

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<v Speaker 2>words of the Bible, lie about their backstory, lie about

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<v Speaker 2>their field of expertise, and lie about what they themselves

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<v Speaker 2>said mere seconds before they started lying. Why do I

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<v Speaker 2>feel they need to make this video. Well, firstly, it's

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<v Speaker 2>because I wasn't lying when I was an amateur apologist,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was being lied to. I believe the professional

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<v Speaker 2>apologist to my own detriment, and there are apologists who

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<v Speaker 2>do sincerely believe what they are saying, but like me,

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<v Speaker 2>they believe it because they were lied to by people

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<v Speaker 2>that they trusted. And I won't always be able to

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<v Speaker 2>tell the difference. So despite what I said in the intro,

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<v Speaker 2>I will still be giving people the benefit of the doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I'm tired of it. But more than my

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<v Speaker 2>annoyance at not being able to distinguish between the liars

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<v Speaker 2>and the victims of the liars, and my butt heard

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<v Speaker 2>in this about having believed liars myself. At one point,

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<v Speaker 2>we are left with a rather important question here. If

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity were actually true, would we expect the professional defenders

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<v Speaker 2>of the faith to have to resort to lying in

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<v Speaker 2>order to do their job. The fact that so many

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<v Speaker 2>of them can't argue for Christianity honestly suggests to me

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't actually believe it. Why they argue for

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<v Speaker 2>a thing that they don't believe is up for debate.

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<v Speaker 2>My money's on money for most of them, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see how you can lie in defense of something

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<v Speaker 2>while still believing in the thing that you had to

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<v Speaker 2>lie to defend. In my view, the mere existence of

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<v Speaker 2>apologetics is evidence against the Christian God's existence. But the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that so many of them have to resort to

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<v Speaker 2>dishonesty just makes it so much worse for them. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's it for this one. Today's comment to the Day

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<v Speaker 2>comes just from everyone who is complaining about the inconsistent

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<v Speaker 2>volume in last week's video. I apologize for that. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been switching away from Adobe products recently, and unfortunately, Adobe's

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<v Speaker 2>audio tools were good enough that in most cases a

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<v Speaker 2>single button press was all that was needed to fix

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<v Speaker 2>up everything for YouTube. But what happened last week is

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<v Speaker 2>that I got too focused on making sure my release

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<v Speaker 2>schedule is consistent and I sacrifice quality for the sake

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<v Speaker 2>of the schedule. My life has been crazy busy recently,

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<v Speaker 2>and while I did notice the issue in that video,

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<v Speaker 2>with plenty of time to either fix it myself or

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<v Speaker 2>send it back to Piper to be fixed, I got

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<v Speaker 2>busy with kid and family stuff. I didn't get around

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<v Speaker 2>to it, and then I realized that if I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>upload it when I did, I wouldn't have time to

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<v Speaker 2>fix it before it was supposed to be published, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I made the call to have it go up

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<v Speaker 2>on time rather than correct the issue. Going forward, I

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<v Speaker 2>will prioritize quality over the schedule so that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>end up with those sorts of issues in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also going to attach a pull to this video

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm not actually sure what to do about last

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<v Speaker 2>week's video. YouTube doesn't let me update it once it's up.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to fix it, I'd have to publish a

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<v Speaker 2>new video, which is the sort of thing that people

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<v Speaker 2>find annoying. So should I republish it with the fixed

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<v Speaker 2>audio or should I just leave it be at this point? Also,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're listening on to the podcast, I haven't checked

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<v Speaker 2>in a while, so I might be wrong on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm pretty sure Spreaker, which is my podcast hosting service,

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<v Speaker 2>allows me to change the audio out after the fact.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you were annoyed by it on the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>last week and you want to listen to it properly,

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<v Speaker 2>it should be fixed by now, so you can just

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<v Speaker 2>go like re download it and it should work, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>if they still have that feature. Anyway, back to the

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube people, should I fix it or should I just

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<v Speaker 2>leave it? Let me know by voting wherever YouTube puts

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<v Speaker 2>the vote thing. I don't think I've ever actually seen

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<v Speaker 2>those before, but I know it's the thing they can

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<v Speaker 2>do now, so I'm gonna do it. Thanks for watching.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be back next Friday with more, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>need to get your RHINEO fixed in before then, I

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<v Speaker 2>livestroom with service every Wednesday eight thirty Easter around my

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<v Speaker 2>other channel, The Watering Hole. Thanks to Piper for being

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<v Speaker 2>my editor, and special thanks as always to my patrons

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<v Speaker 2>Christian Battalado, Ross Sheldon and all the rest who are

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<v Speaker 2>the lies that are told by the Apologist. That is

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<v Speaker 2>my channel. If you'd like to prove me wrong by

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<v Speaker 2>linksoadviceround dot com, which is also where you'll find links

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<v Speaker 2>to my other products. If for whatever reason you want

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<v Speaker 2>to send me stuff, my peobox address is in the description.

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<v Speaker 2>See you next time.

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<v Speaker 5>No