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Speaker 4: time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast
Speaker 4: as we record on this Monday evening, May nineteenth, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five. Hope everybody had a great weekend and is
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Speaker 4: right into it. In today's guest is Bobby joining us
Speaker 4: from Texas and Sarah. Thanks again for taking the time
Speaker 4: out tonight to join us.
Speaker 5: Of course, man look forward to prop Thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Please do, as always, take a moment or two
Speaker 4: and introduce yourself to our audience.
Speaker 1: I'll make I'll try to make it as quick a
Speaker 1: moment because I'm I'm your guests, and they kind of
Speaker 1: ramble a little bit. Bobby, excuse me not to be
Speaker 1: fifty five years old. I've got six boys, me and
Speaker 1: my wife. It's me, my and hers and hours. I've
Speaker 1: got a fix some be eleven year old son. A
Speaker 1: couple of doctors in the family or one about to be,
Speaker 1: one is, and one that works for me. I have
Speaker 1: dort work. It's my third and last marriage. Sadly, it's
Speaker 1: the third, But you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm gonna keep it short and sweet, and.
Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit about your journey to the
Speaker 4: truth and how it all culminated to you bring you know,
Speaker 4: coming on this podcast tonight, what was your first inkling
Speaker 4: that what you're being you know, what you were being
Speaker 4: taught or told how the world works was being differently
Speaker 4: as you perceived it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm not really sure, because I do drink
Speaker 1: beer on a regular basis, I don't remember the exact
Speaker 1: timing of it. I did go to January sixth, me
Speaker 1: and a few buddies friends of mine drove from.
Speaker 5: Houston to d C.
Speaker 1: And that was a very eye opening expense, to say
Speaker 1: the least. What was kind of being portrayed as what
Speaker 1: I actually witnessed, And I really, honestly, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I was right about the time I learned a few
Speaker 1: things about flat Earth away was shortly there after one
Speaker 1: of the two.
Speaker 5: So that's about the length of time. And ever since then,
Speaker 5: it's just.
Speaker 1: Been a whole lot of me telling everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: wanting I went through a phase of wanting to inform
Speaker 1: and tell everybody about what I've discovered because I just
Speaker 1: could not understand, you know, how we were lied to,
Speaker 1: and the truth to me seems very apparent. How uh Now,
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of you know, somebody says something about
Speaker 1: the globe, I mean, you know, I'll correct them and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you mean the plane.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of a contrarian. So I don't
Speaker 1: mind the debate here and there. But that's about the
Speaker 1: time period that it that it all happened. The way
Speaker 1: it happened was kind of odd, and I'm guessing it
Speaker 1: had to have been shortly after I came back from
Speaker 1: January sixth. I was already I know, you like to ask people,
Speaker 1: were there other things that led you to this, you know,
Speaker 1: other conspiracy theories or truth theories or however you want
Speaker 1: to word it. And I would say the nine to
Speaker 1: eleven was one. I'm kind of seen some things about that,
Speaker 1: you know. Then the whole virus thing. I don't believe
Speaker 1: in viruses at all. I'm more of a terrain theory,
Speaker 1: not not term theory kind of guy. And I was
Speaker 1: talking to a gull in parlor, so this might help
Speaker 1: explain the timing. And so parlor got shut down shortly
Speaker 1: before or after the whole election of twenty twenty. I
Speaker 1: can't remember if it was right after or before. And
Speaker 1: somebody said, man, if you think that's crazy, whatever that
Speaker 1: topic was, I really can't remember. But if you think
Speaker 1: that's crazy, then you want to see what these flat
Speaker 1: earthers are saying. And I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: say this word on I'll keep it clean. I said,
Speaker 1: that is the dumbest effing thing I've ever heard of,
Speaker 1: as the guy that was chatting with online. So he said,
Speaker 1: I get it, but you might just want to see
Speaker 1: what they're saying. Because I've looked into it. It's not
Speaker 1: cried quite as crazy as it may sound at first hearing.
Speaker 1: So I did, and I kind of like you, I've
Speaker 1: heard your story a few times, went to this, Okay,
Speaker 1: I saw this couple of things. I'm like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is crazy. This is crazy. Okay, that's even crazier. And
Speaker 1: now I'm full in, you know, three four or five days,
Speaker 1: just twelve or fourteen hours a day looking at every video,
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about Mark Sargeant or Nathan Oakley or
Speaker 1: taboo conspiracy you know, name or crow seven seven seven,
Speaker 1: just everybody, And I was like, Okay, I cannot believe
Speaker 1: I'm a freak flat earther and started trying to share
Speaker 1: it with people. And that really brings me to my
Speaker 1: biggest question that I have for everybody that I meet,
Speaker 1: whether they're a flat Earth or not, mostly for flat earthers.
Speaker 5: But that's it. That's how it became a member of
Speaker 5: the real existence.
Speaker 4: That's well stated, and a couple of things I want
Speaker 4: to touch on before we go forward, because it's interesting
Speaker 4: you mentioned that in regards to a message I got today.
Speaker 4: But one of my earliest awakenings was when I was
Speaker 4: in the military and we saw things that were going
Speaker 4: on and we'd come back from whatever particular mission and
Speaker 4: CNN would be reporting something that we saw firsthand, but
Speaker 4: it would be completely different than what we saw and
Speaker 4: we're all looking at each other, that's not what went down.
Speaker 4: And then I remembered back to the lives of the
Speaker 4: Gulf War, and so it would be interesting for me
Speaker 4: to hear firsthand what it was like being down there,
Speaker 4: and you know, we saw you know, obviously it wasn't
Speaker 4: an insurrection, there wasn't an attack on the capital. From
Speaker 4: everything that I saw, people were just led by probably covert,
Speaker 4: whether it was FBI or CIA, who knows, you know,
Speaker 4: to get the desired reaction right from from taking away
Speaker 4: the obvious. You know, I'm out of I'm a political
Speaker 4: at this point. But there's a better chance of me
Speaker 4: growing wings and flying to Japan then Joe Biden getting
Speaker 4: eighty one million votes. So again, they're very clever and
Speaker 4: they can figure out these ways to draw attention away
Speaker 4: from those type of things. What are your thoughts on that,
Speaker 4: and what was it like being there? Your your first
Speaker 4: hand experience.
Speaker 5: Okay, so it was crazy.
Speaker 1: So I got down there the day before Trump was
Speaker 1: going to give his speech. I got down there on
Speaker 1: the fifth and we went to this restaurant and so
Speaker 1: I had already come to the realization that COVID was fake.
Speaker 1: And we go to this believe it or not, there
Speaker 1: is a Mexican restaurant on just on the other side
Speaker 1: of the river. We were staying and this guy was
Speaker 1: sitting there. He was obviously a Trump supporter, which I
Speaker 1: was at the time. I'm not saying I am or
Speaker 1: I am not right now, I'm just going to ride that.
Speaker 5: Fence for a minute.
Speaker 1: But anyway, he was sitting there eating it he'd left
Speaker 1: about half of his more than half of his food,
Speaker 1: and I was like, we were waiting in line for
Speaker 1: about an hour, and so I introduced myself and I said,
Speaker 1: are you going to finish that? And he goes no,
Speaker 1: And this is in the height of COVID. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: sat down, I grabbed his pork ate the rest of
Speaker 1: his Mexican food, and everybody around that worked.
Speaker 5: There like, oh my gosh, what's this guy doing.
Speaker 1: So anyway, me and my friends we ended up sitting
Speaker 1: talking with him, sat down with him.
Speaker 5: He joined our problem, along with a couple other people.
Speaker 5: So then the next day rolls around, We get out there.
Speaker 5: I may or may not have had a couple of
Speaker 5: margaritas and beers. That kind of eludes me.
Speaker 1: So we get to the monument, you know, the site
Speaker 1: where the speech was going to be held, and it
Speaker 1: was cold. It was a different kind of cold. It
Speaker 1: was the wind was just blowing really, really strongly, and
Speaker 1: so I was underdressed, so I was freezing. They had
Speaker 1: no portal cans, and I mean literally not one portal
Speaker 1: can anywhere from the monument all the way down, you know,
Speaker 1: through the mall to the Capitol building.
Speaker 5: So we listened.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, not, and so I might have had to
Speaker 1: use the restroom. So we're making our way. We left
Speaker 1: probably about ten minutes before Trump finished speaking, just to
Speaker 1: kind of get a head start because it's a pretty
Speaker 1: long walk. I think it's about seventy seven miles that's
Speaker 1: what it felt like anyway. So we're about halfway, give
Speaker 1: or take, and we start hearing what sounds like not fireworks,
Speaker 1: but it sounds a little deeper than that, kind of
Speaker 1: like the concussion grenade you here during Fourth of July.
Speaker 1: And uh so we're getting closer, it's getting louder, and
Speaker 1: then then our phones start going whacky.
Speaker 5: Nobody can call anybody. They're going in and out.
Speaker 1: You'll have service, and you'll go into airplane mode, SOS mode, whatever.
Speaker 5: And we keep walking.
Speaker 1: Then we start getting closer to the Capitol Building, and
Speaker 1: there were just I mean the whole walk up there,
Speaker 1: it's just a bunch of what I would call normal,
Speaker 1: you know, guys and gals just kind of interested in
Speaker 1: thinking that the.
Speaker 5: Election was stolen and that's what we were there for.
Speaker 1: And as we're getting closer, we can see, I mean,
Speaker 1: they'd already been inside the building and had different things
Speaker 1: draped over the sides of the Capitol Building. And I
Speaker 1: was with a friend of mine that came that joined
Speaker 1: me up there, and some guys that we met, and
Speaker 1: so we're right up on the Capitol lawn and they said, uh,
Speaker 1: we're going to go in, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: would love to, but I have to go to the
Speaker 1: bathroom so badly I am not going.
Speaker 5: So I uh, I don't know if I should say this.
Speaker 1: I may or may not have urinated on the on
Speaker 1: the lawn of the Capitol Building and some bushes and
Speaker 1: then didn't make it in.
Speaker 5: I got about fifty feet from.
Speaker 1: The steps and realized that I'm not sure this is
Speaker 1: going to go the way I needed to go, because
Speaker 1: my luck with things like that is not always the best.
Speaker 1: So I just stay back. And now I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: by myself, and I came across a couple of very
Speaker 1: very odd instances of kids. I'm sorry, I say kids.
Speaker 1: They're twenties, thirties. They look more like Antifa than like,
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote Maga. People gotcha that we're just
Speaker 1: being very very boisterous, just trying to, you know, see
Speaker 1: if they could get somebody's start a fight.
Speaker 4: Agent provateurs, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: And I had one lady that got to the front
Speaker 1: door of the Capitol building. There's a bunch of people
Speaker 1: pushing and pushing, and all of a sudden, there were
Speaker 1: police on one side and the quote unquote protester, you know,
Speaker 1: the protesters on the other side. And a gun slides
Speaker 1: over from the police side over to the protesters and
Speaker 1: they look at each other like yeah, nope, and they
Speaker 1: kicked it right back overturn. And so yeah, a couple
Speaker 1: of my friends went in. One died shortly thereafter. She
Speaker 1: had an aneurysm. One of the ladies that was with
Speaker 1: our little group had and now I have it. It
Speaker 1: was the megaphone that the what was that guy called
Speaker 1: that was wearing the the horns and all that, the
Speaker 1: Viking Maga guy.
Speaker 5: I've got the megaphone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got the megaphone that went in there that
Speaker 1: he used still as the little keepsake. And anyway, we
Speaker 1: you know, after all that happens, I'm standing out there freezing,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I'm going back to the hotel, so
Speaker 1: triculate my way back to the hotel room. I called
Speaker 1: my mom and I said, she goes, I can't believe
Speaker 1: what they're doing to the Capitol Building And I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean. She said, there's people are destroying
Speaker 1: the Capitol Building and I said, yeah, no, Mom, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't talk right now, but that is absolutely not
Speaker 1: what is going on.
Speaker 5: So anyway, they I.
Speaker 1: Saw a bunch of people that I talked to after
Speaker 1: the fact, and they were tear people reason throwing the
Speaker 1: flash grenades into the crowd to try to incite them,
Speaker 1: and uh, some of them fell for it, some of
Speaker 1: them didn't, you know. But anyway, that that was really
Speaker 1: my experience. And when I got back and saw we
Speaker 1: turned the news on and I was like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: they are showing pictures that I saw witness, but that's
Speaker 1: not really the vibe. That is what was happening. A
Speaker 1: lot of people out there just playing God Blessed America
Speaker 1: and singing the Star Spangled banner, and and it really
Speaker 1: wasn't anything like it was portrayed.
Speaker 4: So yeah, first of all, I'm sorry to hear about
Speaker 4: your friend. That that's I don't know if that's a
Speaker 4: coincidence that that happened so shortly after that particular incident
Speaker 4: our friend that we had on the other podcast, Jeremy Brown,
Speaker 4: master sergeant retired. You know, he spent he just got
Speaker 4: released from prison about six weeks ago, two months something
Speaker 4: like that. I'm not good with with timelines, but you know,
Speaker 4: there was a thousand people whose ABIs corpus just went
Speaker 4: right out the window?
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 4: The fourth and sixth amendments just went right out the window.
Speaker 4: And that's something we've been talking about a lot. And
Speaker 4: I just wrote an article the other day on substack
Speaker 4: about you know, as Americans, we keep I want to
Speaker 4: say this because you know, as someone who served for
Speaker 4: so long, you know, you told you're defending the Constitution
Speaker 4: and the Bill of Rights. But these type of documents
Speaker 4: are supposed to be two party agreements, and if only
Speaker 4: one party's abiding by it, then there's it's got to
Speaker 4: be time for a change. And we always get the
Speaker 4: short end of the stick.
Speaker 5: Weird how that happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just just a coincidence for sure. Well, I'm glad
Speaker 4: that you came out of it. And if there was
Speaker 4: ever a time that someone needed to use the bathroom,
Speaker 4: I think that's probably the best thing that might have
Speaker 4: ever happened to you. After you know, everyone else who
Speaker 4: went in there ended up in the gulags.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never at the moment when we're sitting there, I
Speaker 1: didn't think anything like that because it really wasn't. There
Speaker 1: were some again, I think there were more provocateurs that
Speaker 1: went in there and got people to go in. But
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to some some people had some
Speaker 1: their phones were working, and they were literally walking down
Speaker 1: and the police, some of the police were very polite,
Speaker 1: almost like they're showing them a tour of the Capitol building.
Speaker 1: And I saw, I saw that firsthand. It wasn't something
Speaker 1: from a you know, mainstream media. It was literally different
Speaker 1: vine that recorded it. And I was like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not exactly an interaction as I describe it. So yeah, anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess the uh the old bladder came in perfectly.
Speaker 4: Saved the day. Going back to your original thing, how
Speaker 4: you were excited, and I was the same way, right.
Speaker 4: You find out anytime you find a new rabbit hole,
Speaker 4: you connect a few dots. You want to share, you know,
Speaker 4: the newfound knowledge with others. I'm gonna be very vague
Speaker 4: with this email. I literally I literally got just a
Speaker 4: few minutes before I sat down in my office and
Speaker 4: this individual was telling me that like everyone in her
Speaker 4: circle is not only rejecting you know, this this conversation
Speaker 4: she's trying to have with them, and we're talking pastors, friends, teachers,
Speaker 4: et cetera. But like, uh, you know, the the local
Speaker 4: school that they deal with is actually changing their their
Speaker 4: statement of faith slash guidelines to specifically say that they
Speaker 4: believe the Earth is a globe. And my thought is,
Speaker 4: you know, that really goes to show the effort, the
Speaker 4: lengths and the effort that they go in to putting
Speaker 4: in the sye op. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 5: My thought is.
Speaker 1: That means we're moving forward and that's a positive.
Speaker 5: Last May, we went on a cruise.
Speaker 1: I purposely bought fifteen flatter T shirts anything from you
Speaker 1: know liars, you know with the NASA logo on it
Speaker 1: to I've got fifteen of them. Literally, I wore it
Speaker 1: every single day on this cruise for five days and
Speaker 1: I only had one negative. I had a whole lot
Speaker 1: of and believe it or not, I was mostly younger people.
Speaker 1: When I say younger, in the twenty five to thirty
Speaker 1: five range. It gave me a thumbs up or I
Speaker 1: love your T shirt or something like that, and I
Speaker 1: found it pretty interesting. I think things are moving, you know,
Speaker 1: at a smell space. But I've read the other day
Speaker 1: that somewhere between thirteen and seventeen percent of the world
Speaker 1: doesn't believe the Earth is a globe. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if that is a good sign or it needs
Speaker 1: to be more than that. But you know, I've been
Speaker 1: a flat earther for four ish years and I get
Speaker 1: nothing but pushback. So I know that questions coming from you.
Speaker 1: Sorry to pre answer that. Listen to every single one
Speaker 1: of your Flat Earth file podcasts.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing, you know. I'd love
Speaker 1: for them to talk about that. Because my son knows
Speaker 1: that I'm a flat earther. He doesn't he's eleven. He
Speaker 1: doesn't care. My wife, which is kind of odd. She
Speaker 1: she fits into that. She hears me, and she'll listen
Speaker 1: to me talk. She'll listen to me debate people in public,
Speaker 1: and she just stays neutral. And then you know, we'll
Speaker 1: talk and she goes Bobby. Everything he's saying makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: But I just really don't give a shit if the
Speaker 1: Earth is flat or a globe.
Speaker 5: I don't care, you know, And that.
Speaker 1: Is perplexing to me because she's a big conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 1: Other than that, you know, she's grew up Catholic. She
Speaker 1: understands where the Catholic Church is and.
Speaker 5: What she was told.
Speaker 1: She loved and still, I hate to say it, loves
Speaker 1: Disney World, even though she knows it's probably not the
Speaker 1: most upstanding place in the world. She knows all the
Speaker 1: poisonings that go into food coloring and processed foods and coke,
Speaker 1: and you know, she.
Speaker 5: Gets all of it.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously the number one, the biggest thing
Speaker 1: is all the child trafficking. And you know that should
Speaker 1: make everybody sad and pissed off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree, And I think even as Christians
Speaker 4: like we should see. I think there's a big difference
Speaker 4: between forgiveness and accountability. You can have both together, and
Speaker 4: I think that's what a lot of people fail. And
Speaker 4: when it comes to children, to me, that is a
Speaker 4: just a drop dead and the Bible is very upfront
Speaker 4: about it as well. Millstone into the ocean, you go,
Speaker 4: do not harm God's children. And it is truly sad
Speaker 4: and some of the rabbit holes that I've been down,
Speaker 4: and maybe shame on me because I saw enough evil
Speaker 4: stuff in my life, but there's a few rabbit holes
Speaker 4: that I have pulled out of because you know, I
Speaker 4: got five children and eight grandchildren, and I love kids,
Speaker 4: and when I see those type of things, I get
Speaker 4: really upset, really upset. So I think instinctively I turn
Speaker 4: away and back out. Although in the long run, you
Speaker 4: know it's not fixing anything, right when you turn your
Speaker 4: back on a problem, the problem is not going to
Speaker 4: go away. But it is a very difficult one, and
Speaker 4: you know, it's disappointing people put their faith in all
Speaker 4: of these people at the federal level. You know, this
Speaker 4: whole Cash Betel and the Bongino guys going to save
Speaker 4: the world. And what's the first thing they're do in
Speaker 4: front of a camera yesterday? Oh yeah, Epstein killed himself.
Speaker 4: Let's move on. That's like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 7: Dude?
Speaker 5: Well, you know they're they're I call it a game.
Speaker 1: It's not much of a game, right, but their game
Speaker 1: is going to go on as long as you know
Speaker 1: there actually exists mainstream media, and you know that this
Speaker 1: is the Earth is the devil's playground. God has is
Speaker 1: in control, but he's letting the devil do what he
Speaker 1: The devil do what he do yep.
Speaker 5: And just that was me being funny.
Speaker 1: But I understand what you're saying about the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of the pedophilia. You know, I don't care the name names.
Speaker 1: We all know who the players are. After you've seen
Speaker 1: enough of it, you don't have to keep watching it
Speaker 1: to know what's going on now, you know. So I
Speaker 1: don't think think you're putting your head in the sand
Speaker 1: by not watching and hearing all those stories. I think
Speaker 1: the way you combat that is you talk to people
Speaker 1: about everything you see about it. I don't mean everything,
Speaker 1: because people will shun you, they'll shut you down, and
Speaker 1: that doesn't help either. So I think it's important to
Speaker 1: just something happens and it's kind of more mainstream and.
Speaker 5: People have heard about it.
Speaker 1: We'll point it out and talk talk about it and
Speaker 1: explain you know, how many kids go missing across the
Speaker 1: world every year, and explain it in terms of Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's enough to fill up eighty football fields stadiums worth
Speaker 1: of children.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: And if they can't get behind that, you may need
Speaker 1: to find some different people to associate with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. For me, it was that earthquake
Speaker 4: in Haiti? Was it ten years ago? And then you
Speaker 4: go down that rabbit hole and you see how many
Speaker 4: children disappeared from there, kind of weirdly almost to what
Speaker 4: we hear about what happened in the eighteen seventies with
Speaker 4: the what do they call them, the orphanage caravans or
Speaker 4: whatever they called. But you know, all these children straight
Speaker 4: up out of eighty just disappeared after the was it
Speaker 4: a volcano or earthquake?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: And of course the Clinton Foundation stepped in and boom
Speaker 4: all of these but they're not headlines. And here's another
Speaker 4: thing for me that's especially in this day and age,
Speaker 4: you at this point you really have to discern the
Speaker 4: conspiracy theories. And I'm sorry for using that word, but
Speaker 4: people will post anything without even taking the time out
Speaker 4: to discern something. And it is a deep rabbit hole
Speaker 4: and all the world is a stage. But you know,
Speaker 4: not every person is a woman, and all of these
Speaker 4: other things, like for instance, you know, Jim Carrey is
Speaker 4: this mass murder? Maybe he is, I don't know, but
Speaker 4: it takes time out to discern from all of these
Speaker 4: different one Like here's an interesting one. Did you ever
Speaker 4: see the whole Isaac Cappy thing?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Cappy tied to what's his face?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah to Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks with the gloves kind
Speaker 1: of referring to Isaac Cappy and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So that's my question. How much of it
Speaker 4: is that playing them off? Of like, how would I say?
Speaker 4: How much is it them planning fake evidence, throwing us
Speaker 4: bait just to see if we run with it?
Speaker 5: To know that I know exactly how much? Who knows?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if more flat earthers when they
Speaker 1: get into discussions.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to switch topics.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, No.
Speaker 1: The way I answer that question when people ask me, well,
Speaker 1: what is a star?
Speaker 5: What is the sun?
Speaker 1: If you're perfectly honest, you your answer needs to be
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, spot on, I can tell you
Speaker 1: what it's not. You know is from experiments and things not.
Speaker 1: I'm very big on Nathan Oaplean and how he attacks
Speaker 1: the globe models. So I don't want to say experiment,
Speaker 1: but observations. Observations can prove what is not? Now, what
Speaker 1: is the truth?
Speaker 5: You know? No idea because we're.
Speaker 1: Ob checked, too, subjucated, controlled by and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I have a fly that will not leave me alone.
Speaker 4: I can actually see Amisa rassing you, I'd finow a complaint.
Speaker 1: I've got my bug at salt gun somewhere around here,
Speaker 1: and uh, have you ever seen those?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The funny thing is when you think there's like ten
Speaker 1: flies around, I'll shoot one and it's like, okay, he
Speaker 1: was pretending he was acting like ten flies.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, kind of got off topic there, but no,
Speaker 5: it's as far as now.
Speaker 1: He really wants to be on my face too. It's
Speaker 1: like you can't land on my leg. So no, I
Speaker 1: think that a lot of it, you know.
Speaker 5: Just like the Scholl shooting.
Speaker 1: In the false flags, they put out disinformation just to
Speaker 1: keep people confused. But here's the weird thing is a
Speaker 1: lot of people aren't I'm not I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: the word blessed is the right word, but blessed enough
Speaker 1: to have the time to spend that.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I have my own company and I do okay, and
Speaker 1: so I've had time. I had a surgery back I
Speaker 1: don't know, three years ago, and that gave me about
Speaker 1: four months to do nothing but look into stuff. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people just don't have that opportunity. They
Speaker 1: don't know the alternative media, alternative media sites and places
Speaker 1: to go get information, so they're stuck and they may think, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm conservative, I'm getting good information from Fox News. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, like you and I know, there's a head
Speaker 1: and there's a left wing and right wing and they
Speaker 1: all serve the same global agenda. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you just have to have grace with people and
Speaker 1: just kind of the old lady saying, bless your heart.
Speaker 1: You know, sorry, I wish I could talk to you
Speaker 1: more intelligently about this, but you don't have the time
Speaker 1: and or maybe inclination to put into it to learn
Speaker 1: everything that I've learned.
Speaker 5: Same thing with flattery.
Speaker 1: People come up with the same basic retort, and at
Speaker 1: that point I just have to cut the conversation off
Speaker 1: and just kind of pat them on their little head
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, you just you have to agree to
Speaker 1: not know the truth and I'll just, you know, keep
Speaker 1: understanding the truth.
Speaker 4: So I agree, And I think that's why it's so important.
Speaker 4: You come from the aspect of throwing, just like fishing,
Speaker 4: throw a little something out there and if they bite
Speaker 4: or if they nibble a little bit, and then I'll
Speaker 4: proceed with them. But there are some people who genuinely
Speaker 4: are a so wrapped up in the matrix, it doesn't
Speaker 4: really bother them or be I think there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people, especially post COVID, who I think so deep
Speaker 4: down they know what's really going on, but I think
Speaker 4: they're very comfortable in the world that they live in,
Speaker 4: and they don't they'd rather not be burdened with research
Speaker 4: and things of that nature. And I hope it doesn't
Speaker 4: come across crass, because I'm not trying to be, but
Speaker 4: I think that's just the reality of it.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I agree one hundred percent, because you even
Speaker 1: still see now after I don't know what percentage of
Speaker 1: people believe that COVID. Okay, so let me rephrase this.
Speaker 1: Everybody still believes a pandemic happened. And it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: which administration, whether it's Biden or Trunk as I call him,
Speaker 1: is going to keep pushing it. But they're still pushing
Speaker 1: the same narrative, just differently. You know, one is saying, okay,
Speaker 1: it came from China. It came, you know, naturally from bats. Okay,
Speaker 1: now it's gain of gain of function, and we have
Speaker 1: to stop gain of function.
Speaker 5: You know, Trunk just signs is big.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not going to finance gain of function research,
Speaker 1: but they're still perpetuating, perpetrating and leading. It sounds that
Speaker 1: same lie of viruses. And the weird thing is, I'll
Speaker 1: have these discussions with people and I can't remember the
Speaker 1: guy's name. He did some very short, very well done
Speaker 1: videos on viral theory versus train theory, and it's weird
Speaker 1: how those things are just never ever, ever mentioned anywhere,
Speaker 1: and they could reach millions and millions of people, and
Speaker 1: I don't I really don't know what to say. My
Speaker 1: wife is in the medical field. She still believes that
Speaker 1: viruses might exist, but and I'm like, well, you know
Speaker 1: we can just you're wrong. But I never get sick.
Speaker 1: I don't eat, I've never had a flu shot. I
Speaker 1: obviously did not get a COVID shot. And until someone
Speaker 1: can show me the study, the tests, the experiment where
Speaker 1: they make well people get sick by being around sick people,
Speaker 1: I'm just not going to buy it because it's never happened, right.
Speaker 4: And I guess a case in point would be my wife,
Speaker 4: who attends to sick people many times a week. She's
Speaker 4: the most healthiest person I know.
Speaker 5: She probably is wearing a mask, is why she's says.
Speaker 4: Oh, good, right, Well she wears four masks. She gets
Speaker 4: her vaccine every other month too, so we're covered there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's that's another great point. And that is
Speaker 4: something again if you bring up at the water cooler
Speaker 4: at work on a Monday morning, right after you get
Speaker 4: done talking about the game yesterday, if you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 4: how about that Antoine pa Champ. You know, he really
Speaker 4: got a rough deal there back in the eighteen hundreds. Right,
Speaker 4: they're gonna look at you like your nuts and there's
Speaker 4: the there's the words out there that. Oh, even on
Speaker 4: his deathbed, Pisture said that you know he was wrong,
Speaker 4: and maybe it did. But they were more worried about
Speaker 4: the agenda as far as choosing. And isn't it interesting
Speaker 4: that both of those guys were out of France competing
Speaker 4: and they just chose one over the other.
Speaker 5: Just that is weird.
Speaker 1: Hey, By the way, you do know, I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: offend somebody that's French. But do you know at the
Speaker 1: streets of France are lined with trees, and I have
Speaker 1: no idea so the German army.
Speaker 5: Can march in the shade.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good one. Hey, you may not want
Speaker 4: to laugh at that. But that's fine, it's all good.
Speaker 4: That that was I guess eighty or eighty years now.
Speaker 4: You can laugh now, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Go to Germany and try to say the Holocaust didn't happen.
Speaker 4: Oh, you go to jail. I interviewed Melanie what was
Speaker 4: her name, I can't think of it, Monica Schaeffer, Monica
Speaker 4: Schaeffer back in twenty twenty two to twenty three, and
Speaker 4: she had just gotten out of prison in Germany and
Speaker 4: she was You can listen to the interview, folks. Just
Speaker 4: go to the fact on her and put in Monica
Speaker 4: Schaeffer and listen to that podcast where she was in
Speaker 4: prison for eighteen months with people who had committed murder
Speaker 4: and stole cards.
Speaker 5: For denying the Holocaust.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a Canadian citizen now ied she was back
Speaker 4: in Canada when I interviewed her. But eighteen months in prison.
Speaker 1: I've been on a telegram and you know, asking people,
Speaker 1: can you please provide me evidence that exists. There's a
Speaker 1: guy from Germany and he said I cannot comment because
Speaker 1: I could go to jail. And I said, are you
Speaker 1: absolutely are you kidding me? He said, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: You can go to prison for denying the Holocaust, and
Speaker 1: they're trying to push that shit here too.
Speaker 5: I guess you know.
Speaker 4: That, right, Yes, I do. They're they're pushing it very hard.
Speaker 4: They've insinuated. Well, there's you know, there's college students right
Speaker 4: now that are getting not thrown in jail and then
Speaker 4: deported because you know, like college students here on Visus.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of states that are passing anti Semitism laws.
Speaker 1: And I think the funny thing about that is Jewish
Speaker 1: people aren't Semitic, so there's that that would be pretty
Speaker 1: easy to win in a port of well there are
Speaker 1: no reports, but anyway, another topic.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, and that, yeah, I think it lends
Speaker 4: credence to kind of the same anytime you get a
Speaker 4: topic that's that kind of react. I mean, we're sitting
Speaker 4: here talking about flat earth and the reactions it gets.
Speaker 4: So I've always said, the more of a reaction like
Speaker 4: that you get, I think that lends credence to the
Speaker 4: fact that you should take the time out and investigate
Speaker 4: it and listen, there's horrors and just terrible things in
Speaker 4: war all the time on both sides, and we don't
Speaker 4: ever want to trivialize any deaths, even one death. But
Speaker 4: for to be all about you know, a certain group
Speaker 4: of people is just you know, you talk about the Holodamore,
Speaker 4: the Kate massacre, Dresden and all the other things.
Speaker 5: Wait what hey, excuse me, what is Helodomore? That was
Speaker 5: a joke. But you talked to ninety nine people in
Speaker 5: the street.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, maybe not when I've never heard that word
Speaker 8: in their life, and they don't understand sixty to ninety
Speaker 8: million Christians were massacred and starved to death, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: they've never heard of that.
Speaker 4: No, the Armenian genocide. I didn't even I didn't know
Speaker 4: about the US liberty until Texas A and M. I
Speaker 4: was taken extended like a history to class at Texas
Speaker 4: A and M.
Speaker 5: I'm oh, nice, No, I'm not. I'm not proud of
Speaker 5: that anymore. I used to be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was a level of indoctrination I received.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I learned some things public speaking class, the
Speaker 4: first when I ever took that help me, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it was it was a history too, and it was
Speaker 4: a paragraph long, and it was you know how these
Speaker 4: guys forgot to have the American flag up in Israel
Speaker 4: accidentally bombed them. And then you know, fast forward many
Speaker 4: many years later, I'm interviewing two guys from the USS
Speaker 4: Liberty who were on the boat that day. They absolutely did.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was hard and Fifth Fleet, you know, they
Speaker 4: called Fifth Fleet and LBJ himself and Robert McNamara said, nope,
Speaker 4: turn back. And it's just that's why you really have
Speaker 4: to question everything. And it's just uh that you know,
Speaker 4: this whole thing where our government has, you know, is
Speaker 4: not looking out for a best interest is not something
Speaker 4: that has just happened within the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: And it hurts me to say that, trust.
Speaker 1: Me, it does. I see funny. I actually joined the
Speaker 1: Marine Corps back in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 5: I'm about a year younger than you are. May not
Speaker 5: look at but hey, I'm still younger and that right.
Speaker 1: But and I broke my leg in boot camp about
Speaker 1: two months in. And now, of course they're trying to
Speaker 1: get me to stay in. I'm a little bit smarter
Speaker 1: than the average bear, so they had great plans for me.
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But somemost tell me, you know this, this happened. You know,
Speaker 1: God has reasons for everything, and I saw my platoon
Speaker 1: moving forward and or company, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this I got demotivated. So I got I got discharged,
Speaker 1: just a general separation. And of course, you know, now
Speaker 1: I look back at it thirty whatever seven years later,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, okay, now I understand that cool
Speaker 1: T shirt that you thought was cool when you're nineteen,
Speaker 1: it says join the marine, or visit other countries, learn
Speaker 1: new cultures, and kill the people.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, okay, I get it now. They make
Speaker 1: it funny, but that's literally what is happening.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and it does. There are certain rabbit holes
Speaker 4: that does pull that veil back from you. And you know,
Speaker 4: I've said it many times and I'm going to hide it.
Speaker 4: To some point. I was a hypocrite because I did
Speaker 4: see some things during my time that should have raised
Speaker 4: a bigger flag. And a person who was fully you know,
Speaker 4: full of conviction, like you know, would have would have said,
Speaker 4: you know, raised certain things up and put their foot down.
Speaker 4: And you know, I knew back in two thousand and
Speaker 4: three that I probably shouldn't be getting this anthrax vaccine.
Speaker 4: But when you're younger and you have found the same
Speaker 4: thing that went on. You know, with all these there
Speaker 4: was a single mother who had to feed their family,
Speaker 4: and there was jab or job, and you know, there
Speaker 4: was a lot of people who said if you took
Speaker 4: the jab, that you know, you were a trader to
Speaker 4: this country. You know that the true traders were the
Speaker 4: people who put these people in those positions to have
Speaker 4: to choose between feed and their family and doing these
Speaker 4: type of things. Those were the true traders.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: But you know, like you said, I mean, they don't
Speaker 1: recruit people at sixteen, seventeen eighteen to join the military
Speaker 1: because they're good young fighters, because obviously you're you're stronger
Speaker 1: time as a as a combat person would be in
Speaker 1: your mid twenties to you know, early thirties. They do
Speaker 1: it because you're almost drop the F bomb, because you're
Speaker 1: freaking naives. Yeah, that's why they do it. You're you're
Speaker 1: easily controlled. They take all of that, you know, bigger
Speaker 1: and testosterone, and they meld it the way they want
Speaker 1: it to be, which is to hate people that you
Speaker 1: have no reason to hate and to learn to take orders.
Speaker 1: Like when I was in the Marine Corps, like okay,
Speaker 1: we got to go get shots. I didn't think why
Speaker 1: would I ask, what's in there?
Speaker 5: You know, stand out.
Speaker 1: Line with that little air needle thing and get the shots.
Speaker 1: And I have no idea what they all was pumped
Speaker 1: in me. Yeah, I mean that's the Tuskegee in the
Speaker 1: Tuskegee Experiment, that's right. I mean that shit didn't stop
Speaker 1: just because it was nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4: Just like MK Ultra hasn't stopped to this very day.
Speaker 5: Of course, not.
Speaker 4: Those astronauts. They go off to their little place where
Speaker 4: they've been programmed to go. They probably I say this,
Speaker 4: the more I think about it and look into these
Speaker 4: people in their backgrounds, I think they firmly believe that
Speaker 4: they've been in outer space.
Speaker 1: Man, that is such a weird subject. And that's a
Speaker 1: whole you know, flat Earth, there's flatter but kay. When
Speaker 1: people ask me that, I'm like, man, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to tell you. You know, do I think your
Speaker 1: uncle works at NASA? Yeah, if you're in I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think you have a reason of a lie
Speaker 1: to me as to why he works at NASA. But
Speaker 1: I think he has no idea outside of his little
Speaker 1: compartment of what he.
Speaker 5: Does about, you know, going to space.
Speaker 1: And it's getting so ridiculous now with you know SpaceX
Speaker 1: and you know, of course that abomination from Oh.
Speaker 5: My gosh, brain Dead.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the women up in space had just happened, and
Speaker 1: that that was so fake and gay, that was just hideous.
Speaker 4: That a poor attempt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know the one thing that I've always asked,
Speaker 1: and this is why I wanted to call come on
Speaker 1: your podcast, because everybody's got.
Speaker 5: Their own story.
Speaker 1: I'm very not religious as I go to a church religious,
Speaker 1: but I'm very rounded in my faith in God. But
Speaker 1: the weird thing is I did not get I grew
Speaker 1: up my entire life. I was always I've heard guys
Speaker 1: on here say how smart they are. I'm just a
Speaker 1: slightly above average guy, cave when it comes to problem
Speaker 1: solving and doing okay for yourself and all that. So,
Speaker 1: but I've always been very questioning of the Bible and
Speaker 1: how does this work with science?
Speaker 5: You know, how can God.
Speaker 1: Be everywhere at one time and you know billions of
Speaker 1: people that He's listening to every single thing they say, do,
Speaker 1: and how you know decisions they make? And so I
Speaker 1: used to believe in God before I became a flat earther,
Speaker 1: and now I don't.
Speaker 5: Now I know God exists.
Speaker 1: And I say that because once you hear some little
Speaker 1: you know, like the idea of have you ever seen
Speaker 1: a tornado cut a path through a forest and build
Speaker 1: a house, or have you ever seen beaches tides, you know,
Speaker 1: make a sand castle? It's like, no, well, now take
Speaker 1: that I don't even know that, not right. Take that
Speaker 1: to whatever that degree is, and think of how did
Speaker 1: human beings come to exist without there being God, our creator?
Speaker 5: And so that that was once.
Speaker 1: I realized space was fake and gay and we've been
Speaker 1: lied to and the only place we can go out
Speaker 1: of space might be that way.
Speaker 5: It might be that way, but it's not that way.
Speaker 1: And that let me know that God is literally everywhere
Speaker 1: around us and everything, every living thing and probably every
Speaker 1: innate thing as well.
Speaker 5: And that really.
Speaker 1: It was an eye opener and it changed my life
Speaker 1: of you know, I'm you know, when you die, what happens.
Speaker 1: If you're not worried about that as a non believer,
Speaker 1: then you just have a weird way of thinking that
Speaker 1: I can't relate to. So that was me, you know,
Speaker 1: up until whatever five years ago. So like I tried
Speaker 1: really hard to believe in God. I try to read
Speaker 1: the Bible, go to church, never really think inuntil I
Speaker 1: learned a flat earth. And you know, that seems weird,
Speaker 1: maybe backwards, I don't know, but that's my experience.
Speaker 4: That's really well said. And you know you're touching on
Speaker 4: whether it's agnostics or atheists. I'd read something recently and
Speaker 4: if I can find it, I have it linked somewhere,
Speaker 4: but I have a thousand notes. There was a journal
Speaker 4: written or an article written about you know, this guy
Speaker 4: polled independently all these atheists and he said that a
Speaker 4: large amount of atheists either a had a significant event
Speaker 4: happened in their life, like they lost their mother or
Speaker 4: their loved one came down with cancer, car you know,
Speaker 4: a very traumatic event, and their reasoning was, well, if
Speaker 4: there was a God, this wouldn't happen. And I try
Speaker 4: to talk to people when I hear that subject come up,
Speaker 4: and that's when you really have to kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: on the ground level, discuss He will and say, you know,
Speaker 4: if everything were to be perfect, God would have to
Speaker 4: control every single movement, every single facet, every single word
Speaker 4: that comes out of your mouth. So he entrusts us
Speaker 4: to you know, here you go, here's the world. You know,
Speaker 4: take your test is basically what we're doing with our
Speaker 4: time here on earth. And unfortunately, we are human and
Speaker 4: we do make mistakes. And you know, whether it's cancer,
Speaker 4: you know, who knows what someone was exposed to where
Speaker 4: their parent in their lifetime, or car accidents, these things
Speaker 4: are awful. But the hardest thing to talk to people
Speaker 4: who have experienced these significant events is it's not that
Speaker 4: God can't or won't prevent it. It's just that you
Speaker 4: can only have it one way or the other. There's
Speaker 4: no in between.
Speaker 5: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I literally just watched the last I don't know, twenty
Speaker 1: minutes of the Passion of the Christ with my son
Speaker 1: yesterday and it was, you know, the whole crucifix scene
Speaker 1: or scenes, and you know, ever since, like I said,
Speaker 1: I hate to hate, I don't like that. My belief
Speaker 1: in God comes from that. I learned the realm that
Speaker 1: I live in. But it doesn't make me question who
Speaker 1: Jesus was and who he is in God's existence.
Speaker 5: It reaffirms that to me.
Speaker 1: But it was that scene with the crucifix of Jesus
Speaker 1: answers that same question. There's the son of God being
Speaker 1: tortured to death, and of course God could intervene, but
Speaker 1: he didn't because that was the purpose. I had a
Speaker 1: five year old niece that died of a cancer that
Speaker 1: is so rare. There's thirty seven cases a year in
Speaker 1: the entire I'm not going to say globe on the
Speaker 1: entire plane. You know, my son, who was her exact
Speaker 1: same age, you know, has grown up and he asked
Speaker 1: about her and ask, you know, ask those questions, well,
Speaker 1: why didn't God save her?
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's you're asking the wrong question.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The question is, or statement is, Please God, help me
Speaker 1: understand what it is you want me to learn and
Speaker 1: understand from this. And so I asked for acceptance and understanding.
Speaker 1: I'll never understand it, and I get that.
Speaker 5: But it doesn't matter what's going on in my life, whether.
Speaker 1: We're doing a million dollar deal or five thousand and
Speaker 1: we don't get it and we're mad, or somebody gets sick,
Speaker 1: you know, so there's a fight, whatever happens. Like, you know, God,
Speaker 1: just you know, give me the strength to understand what
Speaker 1: it is you want me to get out of this.
Speaker 5: And that's all I all I asked for. I've got
Speaker 5: two sons.
Speaker 1: That are nineteen and just about turn eighteen, and neither
Speaker 1: one of them are very strong and believe in Christ
Speaker 1: jet But I don't pray for them to know Christ.
Speaker 1: I pray for God to give me the understanding of
Speaker 1: whatever choice it is they'd make. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's good writer indifferent, that's my perspective.
Speaker 4: No, that was really well said, and that there's no
Speaker 4: easy way to deal with these type of situations. But
Speaker 4: you're right, there's, you know, the way of thinking that
Speaker 4: I'm so blessed to that, you know, we were able
Speaker 4: to meet and spend time with this individual. You know,
Speaker 4: we lost more guys in garrison than we did in
Speaker 4: combat because when they came home, they couldn't turn off
Speaker 4: their brains or their relationship. You know, they came home
Speaker 4: and found out their relationship had collapsed. And it's just
Speaker 4: to go from combat back to regular life in one
Speaker 4: day is a lot to ask of people. And when
Speaker 4: they put us in that rotation, going back and forth,
Speaker 4: the guys just could they just gave up. And I
Speaker 4: was younger back then, and not as I guess, as
Speaker 4: ingrained in my faith as I was, and I had
Speaker 4: all those type of questions as well. Why someone who
Speaker 4: just spent a year down range, just you know, four
Speaker 4: or five days after you got at home do this? Why?
Speaker 4: And the question is, hey, we don't know. And you know,
Speaker 4: in reflection, you got to be thankful that you know.
Speaker 4: I was thankful that I even knew those people, because
Speaker 4: each and every one of them taught me something during
Speaker 4: their time and my interactions with them. So in my
Speaker 4: time of growing and reflecting, that's one thing I've learned
Speaker 4: to appreciate the time I did have with them, and
Speaker 4: I pray and I hope that he's in a better
Speaker 4: place now and that that is something also. Now that
Speaker 4: I reflect and I do have this knowledge, I'm more
Speaker 4: apt to sit down and have a conversation and ask
Speaker 4: someone straight up if they know God, because all of
Speaker 4: those things that we just talked about prove that no
Speaker 4: one is guaranteed tomorrow, and if you know, this is
Speaker 4: a conversation we should have with everyone.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, And hearing you say that makes
Speaker 1: me wonder why are men and women sent to combat
Speaker 1: or even just the military life in general, and then
Speaker 1: sent back to the regular civilization. I say that air
Speaker 1: quotes without any kind of formal training, you take a
Speaker 1: kid from I'm sorry I used the word kid from.
Speaker 5: A young man young woman eighteen to however long may serve.
Speaker 1: And they're supposed to just integrate into society after being
Speaker 1: told what time to wake up, where to go, what
Speaker 1: to wear, how to wear, how to talk, how to salute,
Speaker 1: how to walk, I mean everything, you know, I remember
Speaker 1: book camping, and they're just supposed to go over there, fight, kill,
Speaker 1: follow orders, and then they come back even if they
Speaker 1: didn't see combat and there because a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know how to behave whenever. It's like people getting
Speaker 1: out of prison. To me, it's very similar. And I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to offend you, but.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I've said that one hundred times, dude.
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, it's very similar, and they're not going
Speaker 1: to assimilate as the answer. Some do very well, you know,
Speaker 1: I've got friends that you know, colonel and the Air
Speaker 1: Force does very well. He still has his issues, don't
Speaker 1: kid yourself. But so yeah, the whole, yeah, military industrial
Speaker 1: complex and our military is part of that, to me,
Speaker 1: is a waste of nine hundred billion dollars a year.
Speaker 4: So yeah, for sure, and they always increase it every year.
Speaker 4: And if you look at the you know, we have
Speaker 4: all these leaders who say they're Christian, but the Bible
Speaker 4: points to peacemakers more than they do warmongers and the beatitudes.
Speaker 4: I think you know it is, you know, blessed are
Speaker 4: the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of
Speaker 4: God in this country and all the world leaders. Man,
Speaker 4: if you just if you got your calculator out, and
Speaker 4: how many people have died in wars over just since
Speaker 4: since you know, nineteen forty one?
Speaker 5: By me? Yeah, absolutely, I think control power ego.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just incredible to me. And that's a good
Speaker 4: point you made about the seventeen and eighteen year olds,
Speaker 4: because you're spot on. When I first joined the army
Speaker 4: in eighty seven, the PT test, the seventeen to twenty
Speaker 4: one bracket was the hardest, and then it went down
Speaker 4: every four years. They figured out in two thousand right
Speaker 4: about there that you peaked out at the twenty seven
Speaker 4: to thirty one. So now the PT test looks like
Speaker 4: a pyramid. The twenty seven to thirty one bracket. It's
Speaker 4: harder to get your three hundred than it is the
Speaker 4: seventeen to twenty one because that is your peak physical condition.
Speaker 4: But you know that the college is the other reason
Speaker 4: how they're able to get so many people to volunteer
Speaker 4: right paying for college, that's a big thing.
Speaker 1: Not only will we train you to kill, we will
Speaker 1: pay for your indoctrination afterwards.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, oh, the other big thing I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you, I'm sorry, I feel like I'm interviewing you.
Speaker 4: That's fine.
Speaker 5: So my biggest.
Speaker 1: Question ever since I became a flat earth the okay,
Speaker 1: not right as I became a flat earth or learned
Speaker 1: of the realm we live in. It was probably about
Speaker 1: two to three months afterwards when I was talking to people,
Speaker 1: which I really assumed they would hear the information I
Speaker 1: was providing. They didn't have to spend all the hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of hours I'd spent, but they
Speaker 1: could spend five, ten, twenty and then look at the
Speaker 1: key parts of the information I was providing and they
Speaker 1: would be at the same level. And so you know,
Speaker 1: they spent everybody from whether it's young guys that worked
Speaker 1: for me, you know, parents, my own kids, people my age,
Speaker 1: and the weirdest. So my question is why is it
Speaker 1: that some people are open to that and some people
Speaker 1: absolutely are not, and they want to get fighting mad,
Speaker 1: They go from oh, that's stupid, which you know at
Speaker 1: hominem right off the bat, you know, a logical fallaty fallacies.
Speaker 1: And so I still you know, I had one person
Speaker 1: on telegram, not but about two weeks ago I pose
Speaker 1: that question. That's why I ask everybody, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not okay, maybe I am in the top whatever percent
Speaker 1: of intelligence. Well that doesn't matter. It's really if there's
Speaker 1: information that's provided and available, you can look at it.
Speaker 1: Are you smart enough to discern and understand? Okay, seeing
Speaker 1: further than what is playing? Uh, that's a problem, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing that life behaves a certain way, that lasers always
Speaker 1: travel in a straight line, and they just scream the
Speaker 1: same things. And so anyway, this this this, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a woman or a guy on telegram.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody had their different answers, and their answer
Speaker 1: was humility, and and I was thinking that, so I
Speaker 1: literally looked up what their actual definition of humility is.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like a like you're putting yourself down
Speaker 1: to say you have humility, but it's really not. It's
Speaker 1: kind of the loss of the ego and to accept
Speaker 1: that maybe you're not quite as smart as you were,
Speaker 1: or you don't have everything figured out the way you
Speaker 1: think you had it figured out, and there's something bigger
Speaker 1: than you, and but so many people cannot deal with that.
Speaker 1: And that's I asked that every time I have this conversation,
Speaker 1: I'll either talk to my wife about it afterwards, or
Speaker 1: I'll ask that person, you know, why is it that
Speaker 1: you're not able to see exactly what I'm seeing. We're
Speaker 1: looking at the same information. I'm curious what your opinion
Speaker 1: on that is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think actually the word humble is a
Speaker 4: derivative of humilities. It's just being you know, maybe you
Speaker 4: know I'm willing to actually to look at other things.
Speaker 4: I don't know everything, and it is I think it
Speaker 4: depends on the person. I don't think it's across the
Speaker 4: board type of answers to why people won't look into it,
Speaker 4: because there's been people who I think they're you know,
Speaker 4: this person is just going to completely blow me off,
Speaker 4: and they actually listen. And then people who I could
Speaker 4: have sworn, people I've known for twenty thirty forty years
Speaker 4: who would put their their listening ear ears on and
Speaker 4: just kind of hear me out. I think the trigger
Speaker 4: and a lot of people have brought this up, are
Speaker 4: those two words, and maybe it is time that we
Speaker 4: start a revolution. We call it true worth or geocentrism
Speaker 4: or whatever it is, because I think, like I noticed
Speaker 4: one time recently, I was talking to somebody and they
Speaker 4: were giving me the north and south right. Their head
Speaker 4: was going up and down north and south right, and
Speaker 4: then I uttered the words flat earth, and then I
Speaker 4: go see their eyes kind of twitch in their their
Speaker 4: eyebrows kind of jump up. So I think it's the
Speaker 4: actual the mass programming, if you will of you know this,
Speaker 4: this mass programming mk ulture of the universe, of the
Speaker 4: globe of the world. Obviously right of those words to
Speaker 4: be to just like right, how many movies have you seen,
Speaker 4: Like you know, this guy's been brainwashed. You have to
Speaker 4: if you if he hears the word peanut, he will
Speaker 4: turn into an assassin. And it's almost the same type
Speaker 4: of thing you're having a normal conversation. Those two words
Speaker 4: come out back to back and it's like boom, they're
Speaker 4: they're they're triggered and become somebody completely different.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was at I was at hib you know
Speaker 5: what hib is store?
Speaker 1: Yeah, grocery store here in Texas and I was wearing
Speaker 1: one of my shirts that said the Earth is flat,
Speaker 1: proved me wrong, and uh, some kid, he's probably about thirty,
Speaker 1: is working there and he saw my shirt and he
Speaker 1: laughed out loud, like very boisterously.
Speaker 5: He goes, that's a joke, right.
Speaker 1: I said, it's absolutely not a joke, but feel free
Speaker 1: to investigate it for yourself. Then he laughed out loud,
Speaker 1: really loud again, and I almost said it's about as
Speaker 1: funny as a thirty year old working as a checker
Speaker 1: at HD. But I'd refrain myself, which is probably good
Speaker 1: because my son was with me.
Speaker 4: And so, yeah, when you're out with your family or that,
Speaker 4: do they enjoy that kind of back and forth that
Speaker 4: they know when they see dad putting on that shirt
Speaker 4: and you're heading out somewhere or is it something that
Speaker 4: they just kind of like, you know.
Speaker 1: My eleven, well soon to be eleven year old, he'll
Speaker 1: outwardly say, Dad, do you have to wear that out
Speaker 1: in public? And I'll say, I absolutely have to wear
Speaker 1: this out in public. You'll say why, I say, why
Speaker 1: are you wearing that Nike shirt?
Speaker 5: Because because I like it? I said exactly, I said, I'm.
Speaker 1: Trying to give people something to think about. Every person
Speaker 1: that learns truth is another person that can spread truth.
Speaker 1: And I don't mind the banter every once and again too,
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fun. I had a little fun during COVID
Speaker 4: when I'd walk somewhere without a mask on, right that
Speaker 4: the banter knowing to kind of testing each other's resolved
Speaker 4: to see how far each one will go before someone blinks.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: We have bumper stickers and that kind of thing. We
Speaker 4: have the magnets on the car and I've never had
Speaker 4: My wife wears her shirt more than I do, to
Speaker 4: be honest with this. She's got an awesome map, the
Speaker 4: Gleason Map shirt. And my wife is the nicest person
Speaker 4: in the world, so nobody will ever confront her, which
Speaker 4: is real funny. So you can tell, like people family
Speaker 4: and friends want to say something to her, but they
Speaker 4: won't because she's so nice. But it I think when
Speaker 4: you not but like you said earlier, you don't believe
Speaker 4: something that you know something, and when it has, you know,
Speaker 4: I've spoken to over two hundred people just on this podcast,
Speaker 4: not including offline and emails and phone calls and locally
Speaker 4: hearing how it literally changes people's lives. And you know
Speaker 4: how after twenty twenty, how people people can't see what
Speaker 4: a made up, unorganic world we live in. Like it's
Speaker 4: really time for people to wake up, because they're not
Speaker 4: gonna they'll they'll pump the breaks over the next few years,
Speaker 4: I think, but they're not going to let off.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: I think all of the really really really important issues,
Speaker 1: you know, our lives, and so the easiest way to
Speaker 1: keep hiding those are to keep perpetuating the ones that are.
Speaker 5: Easier for the average person that doesn't.
Speaker 1: Want to take the time to spend to learn, like
Speaker 1: COVID if you go ask, I mean, my wife is
Speaker 1: in the medical industry. She worked doing the tests during COVID,
Speaker 1: and she saw what a joke it was, like, how
Speaker 1: they had to be so careful to It's like, if
Speaker 1: something is making you sick, it should be pretty easy
Speaker 1: and to identify. And then when I ask her things,
Speaker 1: you know the same things that I just talked about
Speaker 1: with you regarding why is there never been any study
Speaker 1: conducted where sick people made well people sick, and why
Speaker 1: is it they have to mix I'm sure you know
Speaker 1: who I'm talking. I can't remember the guy's name. Why
Speaker 1: is it they have to They doesn't. None of it
Speaker 1: follow follows Cook's postulates. You know, they never do that
Speaker 1: because they always introduce damaged or diseased cells whenever they're
Speaker 1: trying to locate this this thing that doesn't exist. So
Speaker 1: as long as you can keep people guessing on the
Speaker 1: simpler things like oh, no, I got COVID because I
Speaker 1: got I couldn't smell, I couldn't taste, and I was
Speaker 1: sick for three days and that was worse than.
Speaker 5: Any flu I've ever had.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, you perfectly absolutely got suckered in
Speaker 1: by that.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: Is it a possibility that it was a biological weapon?
Speaker 1: You know, maybe, but I don't think that doesn't fit
Speaker 1: into the narrative of you made somebody sick naturally. So
Speaker 1: you know, I know there's a lot of crazy shit,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, crazy stuff going on that.
Speaker 5: We have no idea about, you know, do you know?
Speaker 1: I mean whatever we know now that there's thirty years
Speaker 1: advanced knowledge or that was around thirty years ago and
Speaker 1: we're just now finding out about it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, these people playing well in advance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's easy to do.
Speaker 1: You just all you got to do is take the
Speaker 1: small things and keep people scared of that, and then
Speaker 1: the big things.
Speaker 5: Are easy to hide.
Speaker 4: Was it Coke or koc ch right? That that's the
Speaker 4: Robert Coke or whatever his name was. Yeah, well, wasn't
Speaker 4: he the guy who came up with the asymptomatic term?
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, when you learn so much new information at
Speaker 1: an older age, Oh yeah, you have to try to
Speaker 1: dislearn everything that you've learned, and now everything kind of
Speaker 1: jumbles together a little bit.
Speaker 5: So that's kind of the state I'm in.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Likewise, I still have to even things I've covered
Speaker 4: a multitude of times. I have to go back and
Speaker 4: check my I know. It's because the older we get that,
Speaker 4: the harder it is, the less gigs of ram we
Speaker 4: have in our story.
Speaker 1: Right A de Fraga, we need McAfee back if he's
Speaker 1: actually dead.
Speaker 5: Who knows?
Speaker 4: Yea, we do.
Speaker 1: Hey, I was going to ask you a question, and
Speaker 1: I hope this is okay to ask, but I remember
Speaker 1: I can't remember the I think he was German, the
Speaker 1: doctor that is on there talking about I know you
Speaker 1: said briefly on during the podcast that you and your
Speaker 1: wife had started taking it. Are y'all still taking it,
Speaker 1: and what are what's going on? Because I've got a
Speaker 1: guy that's building my swimming pool that has leukemia, and
Speaker 1: I've been telling him for now a month and a
Speaker 1: half that I was going to make some and I
Speaker 1: haven't done it just because I get busy and didn't
Speaker 1: do it, And so I was curious what you've experienced,
Speaker 1: if there's anything noticeable or you.
Speaker 5: Don't take this wrong? But are you trying to create that?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm feeling better because I know you know, you
Speaker 1: have small farms, you're eating better probably than you have
Speaker 1: in you know, your first fifty years of life and
Speaker 1: all that. But has there be anything distinctive since you
Speaker 1: started taking ploying oxide that you'd want to share that
Speaker 1: you support what he's stating.
Speaker 4: So I've taken it in both ways MMS, which is
Speaker 4: simply part three parts A, three parts B. You wait
Speaker 4: a minute, let him activate, add water and drink it,
Speaker 4: and then I've also made the CDs via the water
Speaker 4: absorbing the gas inside of a glass jar, and then
Speaker 4: I can show you here.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll be able to see this when this airs
Speaker 1: because I always watch you on Spotify, so I don't
Speaker 1: get any any visuals.
Speaker 5: Do you see that I can, but it's very tiny
Speaker 5: and years old.
Speaker 4: So he has his protocols and I actually have it
Speaker 4: in the notes there. So like for the protocol, c
Speaker 4: is just the regular treatment and detox like the just
Speaker 4: general treatment. And once you make the CDs, you see
Speaker 4: there it's one milli leader of what you created there
Speaker 4: into one leader of mineral water and divided out through
Speaker 4: the day. And so to me, that's the question me
Speaker 4: and my wife originally asked, is is this a placebo effect?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: You know you're taking this so you think you're feeling better.
Speaker 4: But we can honestly say now that we've been doing
Speaker 4: I think that interview was two months ago and we
Speaker 4: hopped on it within a week or two. I think
Speaker 4: it's noticeable difference with energy.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: He reports that it improves your cardiovascular system. But as
Speaker 4: always one, I'm not a doctor, nor do I play
Speaker 4: one on TV. We're not all built the same, so
Speaker 4: I can't say because it worked well for me, that
Speaker 4: it's working for you. Another listener sent a picture of
Speaker 4: his he had a little cancer growth on his skin.
Speaker 4: He took it before and after picture that it's improving.
Speaker 4: That that's obviously a different protocol. You apply it topically
Speaker 4: with spray. It's got different uses. So for me, for
Speaker 4: us as a prophylactic, we feel a little healthier and
Speaker 4: better with it. We also take beat powder, right and
Speaker 4: we mix that up in water, have that once a day.
Speaker 4: We take magnesium, and we also take sodium by carbonate.
Speaker 4: And like you said, we generally eat pretty well. We
Speaker 4: had our own chickens and things of that nature, but
Speaker 4: we still go out and have a pizza and things
Speaker 4: like that occasionally. But the drag and that, you know,
Speaker 4: we all get that age, you know, we get a
Speaker 4: little older, we get the afternoon blues. I used to
Speaker 4: call them really dragged down. I haven't had that at
Speaker 4: least since I've started that. So for me personally and
Speaker 4: my wife, we subscribe to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had actually earlier today.
Speaker 5: I saw it was a clip. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes on telegram a different place is you
Speaker 1: don't know where this is coming from. But it was
Speaker 1: a guy talking to a large crowd and looked like
Speaker 1: some kind of gathering, you know, in the hundreds with
Speaker 1: multiple people on stage talking and he was talking about
Speaker 1: I don't know. I won't mention it again because I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good or bad thing on
Speaker 1: your podcast, but he was talking about it and said
Speaker 1: that it in every study they've done, it's curing ninety
Speaker 1: eight percent of disease period, not just cancer, not just
Speaker 1: you know, skin conditions, and but ninety eight percent across
Speaker 1: the board of all disease. And it has over one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand patents, So I guess there's one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: different uses. How you use it, apply it, how it's composed.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why there would be one
Speaker 1: hundred doubt that's a lot to have one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: patents on a very simple formula.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you go to dioxi diacxcopedia so like, but
Speaker 4: it's dioxypedia, there are I don't know, the hundreds, maybe
Speaker 4: thousands of people themselves putting their testimonials in their pictures
Speaker 4: and their personal stories and uploading it to dioxypedia. It's
Speaker 4: called and you know, it is helping a lot of people,
Speaker 4: and it is detoxing a lot of people. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of people who claim that they were either a
Speaker 4: vaccine injured or wanted to get whatever. mRNA. You know,
Speaker 4: some people say you can't get it out no matter what.
Speaker 4: But there's been people who got the jab and who
Speaker 4: swear that it has helped them as well.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I wonder why more people don't know about it.
Speaker 4: That was a bog Yeah, that was this not well.
Speaker 4: So the guy went one of the big guys who
Speaker 4: during COVID, His name was Jim Humble. I think I
Speaker 4: could be wrong. He was pushing this and people were
Speaker 4: buying it and getting healthy and it got out. And
Speaker 4: so you're old enough to remember the Bionic Woman, right,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Lindsay Wagner. Yeah, she's she's one of the
Speaker 4: people who gave her testimonials.
Speaker 5: Back in I remember that, Lindsay Wagner, Right, yeah.
Speaker 4: She she had a bad skin condition and she'd seen
Speaker 4: dozens of doctors and she did the dioxia you know again,
Speaker 4: the skin application with a sprayer, and like within a
Speaker 4: week something she'd been trying to get under control for
Speaker 4: years and doctor after doctor, within a week or two
Speaker 4: it started to just go away. And she's completely healed
Speaker 4: because of it.
Speaker 5: I'm sure sure it's coincidence.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was just a coincidence. And by the way,
Speaker 4: they they as soon as it started to get popular
Speaker 4: that they threw that guy in jail, Jim Humble and
Speaker 4: his family.
Speaker 1: So you remember when Tronk back during the middle stages
Speaker 1: of I call it Unicorns because it's fake as a unicorn.
Speaker 1: But back during the Unicorn period, he talked about using
Speaker 1: chlorine and he misspoke because I don't even know how
Speaker 1: really aware presidents are of crap going on. You know,
Speaker 1: they might just be up there saying what people want
Speaker 1: to hear and they really have no knowledge. It's like
Speaker 1: if you're a president and people that know the earth
Speaker 1: is not as fear, surely you have to know that.
Speaker 1: But maybe not. Maybe it's kept from them. But anyway,
Speaker 1: do you remember when he mentioned and then the media
Speaker 1: went jumped all over him, saying he's saying to take
Speaker 1: chlorine and that's what he was talking about. It's so
Speaker 1: funny the way, not funny, how funny?
Speaker 5: Stupid? But yeah, pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the MMS is basically almost the same way
Speaker 4: as just purifying water.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't done it yet, but I'm going to.
Speaker 1: I promise you, I'm going to do it. What was
Speaker 1: your I know you've asked this question again. I hate
Speaker 1: to interview you. What was your not your your silver bullet.
Speaker 1: One silver bullet on flat Earth for.
Speaker 4: Me personally, yes, sir, you know that that's a good
Speaker 4: one because I was so blown away when it first happened.
Speaker 4: You know, I saw the videos of bringing the ship backs.
Speaker 4: That was a big one for me. But I think
Speaker 4: when I now, I think I did that much later
Speaker 4: when I did the little experiment and the moonlight was
Speaker 4: much cooler than the regular air by a couple of degrees.
Speaker 5: But you can't, you can't him haul. You have to
Speaker 5: pick one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's you know. A big part was just when
Speaker 4: I went back and read Genesis all over again, just
Speaker 4: Genesis one, and it all made sense. And you have
Speaker 4: to remember, I was at a point that I was
Speaker 4: just coming upon one rabbit hole after another, getting to
Speaker 4: the very bottom of nine to eleven. And I'd been
Speaker 4: I've known about the Bush family for years, so but
Speaker 4: when those dots connected, I started to understand. And I
Speaker 4: think all truthers go through a certain period when you're like, man,
Speaker 4: everything's a lie. And that's why I think God put
Speaker 4: flat Earth in that order for me, because I wouldn't
Speaker 4: have looked at it. It just it made sense to me.
Speaker 4: I was like of course the world is flat because
Speaker 4: everything is a lie.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember you talking about whenever your first few episodes,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about how you were like what and
Speaker 1: how you just happen to be open to that because
Speaker 1: you'd learned just enough lies, like well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yep, yeah. Mine.
Speaker 1: Mine is the probably simplest of all, and that is
Speaker 1: you can see too far. And have you ever seen Gosh?
Speaker 1: I'd look it up on my phone, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to disturb this Jay.
Speaker 5: Is it not Tolkien?
Speaker 1: Gosh dog, he's a guy that's got a YouTube channel
Speaker 1: and he does a lot of infrared photography from high altitudes.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know you're talking Tolan J.
Speaker 5: Toli. That is who it is.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, that for me is that you can see
Speaker 1: too far. You know a lot of people if they
Speaker 1: say something to somebody that's researched a little bit, and
Speaker 1: they try to debunk it, like they'll say, well, it's
Speaker 1: eight inches per miles square, and then the person quote
Speaker 1: unquote smart person will say, well that's a parabolic formula.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it is, you're right, but it's accurate,
Speaker 1: you know, up to one thousand miles. But the real
Speaker 1: formula that not a lot of people know. And I've
Speaker 1: learned this, I know you know who Nathan Oakley is, right, yes, absolutely, Well,
Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of smart people on that panel.
Speaker 5: I don't even want to get on there. I just
Speaker 5: want to listen to them.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, the real formula is one point
Speaker 1: two twenty five times a square root of the observer's
Speaker 1: height and feet will tell you the distance before an
Speaker 1: object is obstructed by the bulge.
Speaker 5: So when people say, well, you're so high.
Speaker 1: Up, of course, it's like, yeah, well that formula takes
Speaker 1: all that out of the equation. Well, it actually puts
Speaker 1: it in the equation to be more accurate. So yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, it was seeing too far. Then once you
Speaker 1: you know, first you want to hear the kickbacks from
Speaker 1: Neil deGrasse Tyson and you know Bill nine and all
Speaker 1: these jokes that well it's refraction, and it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: which refractionary're talking about. It's been renamed three times in
Speaker 1: the last fifteen years, and they've come to the conclusion
Speaker 1: at seven over six are well that doesn't take care
Speaker 1: of the fact that we can see hundreds or thousands
Speaker 1: of times further than you should be able to see.
Speaker 1: Like this guy, Jay Tolin, he's at thirty two thousand
Speaker 1: feet cruising near Colorado over the Rocky Mountains, and he
Speaker 1: can see Lake Huron, which is what he thinks, you know,
Speaker 1: based on all the topography and things he's seen.
Speaker 5: So he's seeing Lake Huron twelve.
Speaker 1: Hundred miles away, which would be hidden by several miles
Speaker 1: of bulge.
Speaker 4: As they say, yeah, he wouldn't come close to seeing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's some really cool photos and videos using
Speaker 1: infrared that you know, at least look at it. If
Speaker 1: you want to argue with somebody that has looked at
Speaker 1: at least go look at it yourself, you know, before
Speaker 1: you come to that conclusion.
Speaker 4: And that's a big thing too. People will blindly defend
Speaker 4: something they know a little about. You know, if you
Speaker 4: if you ask them how far aways the sun, how
Speaker 4: ways the far aways the moon? How fast are we traveling?
Speaker 4: That they'll they'll give you the old shoulder struck.
Speaker 1: They have no idea what we're what it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: And then ask them was gravity One out of fifty
Speaker 1: might say mass attracting mass? And then when you tell
Speaker 1: them you know that was debunked by Einstein's general relative
Speaker 1: theory of relativity, its space time bending, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's that.
Speaker 5: It's like, it's nothing.
Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of fake math that describes why
Speaker 1: things go down better than a.
Speaker 5: Force, which has already been debunked as a force.
Speaker 1: And then when they hear what is the three body problem,
Speaker 1: they have No, they've never even heard that, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't understand. They had to combin Einstein's theory relativity
Speaker 1: along with Newtonian gravity to make it where three bodies
Speaker 1: could coexist in gravity be doing what it's doing. And
Speaker 1: by that time when you have to get into that
Speaker 1: point with somebody, they're so far gone and they can't
Speaker 1: tell you what gravity is without using the word force.
Speaker 1: They'll tell you what it does, but they can't tell
Speaker 1: you what it is. That means you're talking to a
Speaker 1: uninformed person. It's probably best just to leave it at
Speaker 1: you know, bless your heart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and maybe drop them a bread crumb
Speaker 4: later on down the road. It was funny when I
Speaker 4: was taking my car and to get service today, I
Speaker 4: was listening to doctor Vody Balcolm, I think his name
Speaker 4: is pronounced, and he was talking about how people with
Speaker 4: little faith something, but he used the term was like
Speaker 4: trying to collect water with the ball or catch water
Speaker 4: with the ball. And I kind of looked down on
Speaker 4: the YouTube and you could he there was like a
Speaker 4: four or five second pause, and I was thinking, I
Speaker 4: wonder if it did hear him?
Speaker 5: Had a phone call come in?
Speaker 4: Oh, no, you're good. I was just saying, no, can
Speaker 4: you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 5: Hello?
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it was just funny because he paused for like
Speaker 4: four or five seconds, and I was thinking, did he
Speaker 4: just realize flat Earth just when he made that little
Speaker 4: analogy on the fly.
Speaker 5: That's pretty funny. Who's that guy that you're talking about?
Speaker 4: So he's a pastor in Ligandeer Ministries out of Florida.
Speaker 4: It's it's a very I mean, just this one video
Speaker 4: alone is do Not Love the World's gotten over two
Speaker 4: million views. It's the guy who was who used to
Speaker 4: be in charge and arc Sproll, very famous minister. He
Speaker 4: passed in twenty seventeen, but there's other folks that come
Speaker 4: on and give very very powerful messages. But listening to
Speaker 4: him today when I was going in and he said
Speaker 4: that trying to catch water with a ball and then
Speaker 4: him gone, oh wait a second, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, is he a flat earther or.
Speaker 4: No, not at all, This is not at all. It's
Speaker 4: just one of those analogies. You know, we all make
Speaker 4: analogies on the fly, and you can tell that's what
Speaker 4: he did. But I think, uh, you know, that was
Speaker 4: from I think two years ago. So maybe he does
Speaker 4: listen to the podcast secretly, so.
Speaker 1: He's probably heard something about it and didn't realize what
Speaker 1: he said. Went oops, yeah, because he's not a flat earther.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, you know the other thing that you
Speaker 4: had asked about me and flat earth was, you know,
Speaker 4: I'd been in construction for many years myself, and just
Speaker 4: the I used a level all the time, right when
Speaker 4: I was laying blocks or bricks on a corner, you
Speaker 4: have to use your level. And that's an air bubble.
Speaker 4: It's of water, and water just doesn't bend. It always
Speaker 4: finds its level and you know, sticking to a bottle.
Speaker 4: I think it's something even all of us as children
Speaker 4: when we were in school, we just couldn't get it.
Speaker 4: But because our teachers told us so, we believed it.
Speaker 4: And you know, again, if if if none of us
Speaker 4: went to school and we just worked on the farm.
Speaker 4: There was no education system. We would all believe we
Speaker 4: lived on a flat level plane, right of course.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, there's so many instances whenever you
Speaker 1: talk to a globe believer and you say, well, how
Speaker 1: come I can't feel the motion, and they'll say, well,
Speaker 1: it's just like when you're in a car and once
Speaker 1: you're going, you can't feel the motion, and then when
Speaker 1: you say, but when that car turns, you do feel it.
Speaker 1: And a spinning ball has a constant change of direction,
Speaker 1: and so a centrifical force is a constant change in
Speaker 1: direction acceleration, And they don't understand what you're saying. And
Speaker 1: then they don't understand too that we're told we follow
Speaker 1: the sun in an elliptical pattern. So if it's elliptical,
Speaker 1: that means there's a significance slowing down and speeding up
Speaker 1: depending on when you're hitting you know, where you're closest
Speaker 1: to the sun, as they say, And of course the
Speaker 1: nonsense of yeah, well, of course it's hotter doing the
Speaker 1: summer because even though you're two million miles closer to
Speaker 1: the sun because of the tilt of the earth. It's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense in zero world that I live in.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well Tesla's warned us of that stuff. How you know,
Speaker 4: science had turned from doing experiments to math, and that's
Speaker 4: what they just reverse engineered the math to make it
Speaker 4: fit their their needs. And they do change right. It
Speaker 4: used to be when you googled it it. You know
Speaker 4: many years ago said that we were moving what sixty
Speaker 4: six thousand, six hundred miles an hour? Now they say
Speaker 4: either sixty seven thousand, some even say seventy thousand now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, trying to change that number so that didn't look
Speaker 5: so so obvious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which, you know, this conversation will be a couple
Speaker 4: weeks old by the time it hits. But you know,
Speaker 4: everybody's all aware of the eighty six forty seven thing
Speaker 4: with what's his name, Komy? Yeah, yeah, And it turns
Speaker 4: out the day he said that it was actually eight thousand,
Speaker 4: six hundred and forty seven days since nine to eleven happened.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: That's such a weird. I mean, there are so many
Speaker 1: weird good at the quarter in the coincidence.
Speaker 4: Dark, Yeah, they're two in there.
Speaker 1: There are so many coincidences, like good gosh, at what
Speaker 1: point can just the average person see that. But who
Speaker 1: knows that information? You know, there's so many, so many
Speaker 1: you know, Anon's you know, they have their purpose.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: To me, I know you're probably like me, thought something
Speaker 1: about Q for a minute, You're like, Okay, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of silly. Now, But whoever the heck was typing
Speaker 1: that stuff was somebody that understands the inner workings and.
Speaker 5: The people in the government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if they're predicting something, but I
Speaker 1: think they they were to get people to start looking
Speaker 1: at stuff. Now they're trying to predict and everybody looks back, Oh,
Speaker 1: look at this five year delta plus two day. It's like,
Speaker 1: come on, really, and all the da matra that's it
Speaker 1: needs to be a little more.
Speaker 5: Obvious than that. But I don't know, Q.
Speaker 1: That's a little wishful thinking that that's something true. And
Speaker 1: I'm holding on that maybe Trunk is a decent guy
Speaker 1: and he's not controlled by Israel. A lot of weird
Speaker 1: things's happening with the Israel right going on right now
Speaker 1: today as a matter of fact, So you know, it's
Speaker 1: a whole lot of wait and see from my perspective.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think he's distant, distancing himself just enough
Speaker 4: while they do the dirty deeds that they're doing, and
Speaker 4: then he'll wants everything because we accept things and we
Speaker 4: get over things and we move on to the next thing,
Speaker 4: and when that happens, he'll he'll go back to them.
Speaker 1: Probably what literally just said today, we're going to occupy
Speaker 1: Alagazo with troops. Yep, and Trunk responds, we're going to
Speaker 1: withdraw all military you know, if y'all do that, And
Speaker 1: it sounds like a cat and game a little you know,
Speaker 1: here's this for you, little fodder here and anyway we'll see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all we can do is wait and see exactly.
Speaker 4: Well, we're coming up on our time, so if there
Speaker 4: was anything else that you wanted to mention or jump
Speaker 4: into before we say goodbye, and that would be a
Speaker 4: great time.
Speaker 1: And I think I'm I think I'm good. I'll just
Speaker 1: put up three bathouses today. It's weird is the mosquitoes
Speaker 1: have been absolutely horrible this year, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to spray for mosquitoes. I'm gonna kill bees and I'm
Speaker 1: fixing to buy some bees like you're doing. And uh so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just put up three bathouses. Uh well, I got
Speaker 1: the posts up twenty feet and hopefully they can start
Speaker 1: helping take care of that. The meat chicken thing. How
Speaker 1: can so do y'all kill your chickens? Because I just
Speaker 1: can't do that.
Speaker 4: So we live in an homish community. And for four
Speaker 4: dollars a chicken, he processes them and puts them in
Speaker 4: freeze dry freeze, you know, freeze dryer bags ready to go. However,
Speaker 4: I want it whole chicken, eight piece of chicken he cuts,
Speaker 4: you know, he he you know, does away with them
Speaker 4: and processes them, and I get them. I pick him
Speaker 4: up the next day in bags all ready to go
Speaker 4: in the frigerator.
Speaker 5: You take the live chicken to him and he takes
Speaker 5: care of all that.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, four dollars is chicken.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta find somebody around here that does that,
Speaker 1: because I got I'm like you, I don't remember how
Speaker 1: much I've got, like five acres, and I need to
Speaker 1: be ready just in case, you know, the proverbial.
Speaker 5: Hits the fan. Yeah, so but cool.
Speaker 1: It's really cool talking with you man likewise for like
Speaker 1: a year and a half seems like I know you
Speaker 1: and looking forward to seeing what you have next on
Speaker 1: any of your podcasts.
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate you taking the time out and having
Speaker 4: the conversation, and it was really good to actually hear
Speaker 4: someone who you know. Obviously I talked to Jeremy before,
Speaker 4: but get to get a boots on the ground, because
Speaker 4: you're not the only person who said, again, what was
Speaker 4: being reported and obviously duh, you know what was being
Speaker 4: reported with something completely different. But I'm very thankful that
Speaker 4: you didn't go in there because your life may have
Speaker 4: turned out very different by people. Yeah, so I'm very
Speaker 4: thankful that things worked out that way. And again, thanks
Speaker 4: so much for coming on and sharing your knowledge with
Speaker 4: the masses. We greatly appreciateiate it.
Speaker 1: You're welcoming by the way. You had the coolest closing
Speaker 1: song ever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, podcast, Yeah, we get that a lot. I sent
Speaker 4: it out all the time. And that poor guy he
Speaker 4: sold his rights to Epidemic Sound, which we have our
Speaker 4: subscription to, and he even had, I think, take down
Speaker 4: one of his videos because they own the rights to it.
Speaker 4: And if people keep putting it up on YouTube and
Speaker 4: you look in the comments, it says the Flat Earth
Speaker 4: Files brought me. You brought me to your song perfect
Speaker 4: pretty cool Man.
Speaker 5: Well cool.
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure talking to you, brother, and God
Speaker 1: bless and I'll be listening for your next podcast.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, Bobby, and to all the listeners, thank
Speaker 4: you all for your continued support. And we're probably for
Speaker 4: July and August go down to one podcast a week.
Speaker 4: As people vacation in the podcast world. I've been in
Speaker 4: it for many years, the numbers go down a little bit,
Speaker 4: so we'll slow down to once a week, and then
Speaker 4: we'll jump back labor day back up to two a week.
Speaker 4: So again, please still send those emails. We'll get you
Speaker 4: on the schedule for Bobby. I'm George, God bless you all.
Speaker 4: Have a wonderful week and until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 4: we will see you.
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Speaker 7: You've lost your way.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad why it's a way time got up.
Speaker 7: Maybe we come.
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Speaker 7: Oh, you're stronger than a thing you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead folio. Beautiful,
Speaker 3: you're shoving ride.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're living, breathing, moveing.
Speaker 3: You can hold your head a pie. Don't give up, No,
Speaker 3: don't give in, never loss home. Don't let gone on
Speaker 3: the primes me ain't done and it's God.
Speaker 7: I'm letting.
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Speaker 3: Baby call? Oh yeah, got the team called.
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Speaker 9: I'm saying, waits the god of if it comes, and
Speaker 9: don't give up, no dog giving never this hole, don't
Speaker 9: let go of.
Speaker 10: The crowds, get ain't done, lovers worth living, watching and
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