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<v Speaker 1>Now let's dive into today's episode. I like to welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show, Gloria Masters. Hi you doing, Gloria, I'm great,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you so much for being on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you came across my desk, your story

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<v Speaker 1>really touched me, and in the work that you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>in the world to try to help help children who

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<v Speaker 1>are sex trafficked and abused and kidnapped and all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things, I felt that it was an important message

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<v Speaker 1>to put out there, and I think that this episode's

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<v Speaker 1>and to hopefully help heal a lot of people out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's my intention. I think that's your intention as

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<v Speaker 1>well with this conversation. So I appreciate you being so

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<v Speaker 1>brave to come out and speak about this publicly and

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<v Speaker 1>do the work that you're doing in the world. So

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, I applaud you for what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt that.

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<v Speaker 1>I do too, So let's dive in. You know, tell

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<v Speaker 1>me your story of what happened to you when you

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<v Speaker 1>were younger, and then we can go from there.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks Alex for agreeing to have me on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Very much appreciated by me. So Luka was born and

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<v Speaker 2>bred into a family where I believe intergenerational child sex

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<v Speaker 2>trafficking was the norm. So I'm from New Zealand, from

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<v Speaker 2>West Auckland, and I was first of all abused by

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<v Speaker 2>my father from from infancy really but sexually abuse more

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<v Speaker 2>and more from the age of four and a half

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<v Speaker 2>was when it all really kicked off. I had a mother,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, but she was very unavailable, so very narcissistic,

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<v Speaker 2>very disinterested, very much get out of my way type attitude,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had no safe adults around me. Now, A

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<v Speaker 2>rather sick twist to the tale was that from about

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<v Speaker 2>the age of five, my grandmother, my father's mother, was

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<v Speaker 2>tasked worth training me to be the best sex slave possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately, where I had thought there was love and

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of acceptance and safety, it turned out that was

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<v Speaker 2>the very worst place I could be. So from her

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<v Speaker 2>home and from various places throughout Auckland, which is my

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<v Speaker 2>hometown and our own home. When my mother was absent,

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<v Speaker 2>I began to be sex trafficked from six years of age.

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<v Speaker 2>Although I'd been leased to my father's friends and extended

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<v Speaker 2>family well before that, this was when serious money started

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<v Speaker 2>to be made. So the impact on me was not

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<v Speaker 2>to feel at all like a person or that I

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<v Speaker 2>had anything meaningful to offer. And what began in me

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<v Speaker 2>as a very excited, inquisitive, curious, fun loving child quickly changed.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the adults around me to to use

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<v Speaker 2>and abuse and exploit as much as they could and

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<v Speaker 2>made a lot of money out of me. Actually, so yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the start of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you How long did this go on for?

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<v Speaker 2>I managed to escape all of this the day of

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<v Speaker 2>ten sixteen, which is why sixteen is my very favorite

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<v Speaker 2>number of all. That was the day I never had

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<v Speaker 2>to see my father again. My parents had separated at eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got left in the house with him as

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<v Speaker 2>the only girl. And that's the Meanwhile, all my story,

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<v Speaker 2>if you like, is focused on those eighteen months of hell.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think i'd make it through. So Alex, when

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<v Speaker 2>I say I'm grateful to be here, I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>in more ways than one.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there any hope when you were in this any

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<v Speaker 1>adult any glimmer of kindness or mercy during those years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I can safely say there were no safe

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<v Speaker 2>air lots in my life apart from at school. But

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<v Speaker 2>you see, it was at school I could steal food,

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<v Speaker 2>steal other kids' food, and eat because they didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>me to eat much because the predators would pay more

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<v Speaker 2>for a younger looking child. So I was very skeletal

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<v Speaker 2>and undernourished. But the worst thing that happened at school

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<v Speaker 2>was that teachers had no idea and so I was

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<v Speaker 2>basically either ignored or being reprimanded for my out of

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<v Speaker 2>control behavior. And Alex, this is a really pertinent point.

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<v Speaker 2>Children will always show what's going on in the world

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<v Speaker 2>when they're safe too, and so at school was my

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<v Speaker 2>only safe place. So I was out of control. At home,

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<v Speaker 2>I was too scared to be anything but compliant.

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<v Speaker 1>So can you tell us the story of how you

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<v Speaker 1>got out of this at sixteen?

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<v Speaker 2>When my parents separated at eleven, the agreement was that

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<v Speaker 2>I could see my mother every second weekend, and then

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<v Speaker 2>part of their legal agreement, or so I'm told, was

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<v Speaker 2>that the day of tun sixteen, I could decide for

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<v Speaker 2>myself who I wanted to live with and whether I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to see my father, so I chose not. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that may sound like an easy thing to have conveyed

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<v Speaker 2>to him, nothing could be further from ruth. I was

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<v Speaker 2>terrified and he was scary. And my mother, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>was never going to be reliable and never going to

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<v Speaker 2>have my back. She hadn't been able to from infancy,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was a door I couldn't keep knocking at.

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<v Speaker 2>It was never going to open. So suffice it to

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<v Speaker 2>say that not only or also included in the child

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<v Speaker 2>sex trafficking was I had many forced abortions on me

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<v Speaker 2>at the hands of my grandmother because no one wanted

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<v Speaker 2>a pregnant child. So between the ages of eleven and

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<v Speaker 2>a half and sixteen, there were many forced abortions, to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where I thought I was going to die,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had to call an adopt who was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the elite groups i'd been trafficked to, and I

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<v Speaker 2>remember one night hearing him say to my grandmother, if

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't get if we don't get this beleeeding to stop,

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<v Speaker 2>she's not going to make it through the night. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's how I was treated. I was trafficed too many groups.

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<v Speaker 2>I was leased out of a nightclub in our red

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<v Speaker 2>light district from the age of nine. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>in an upstairs room in our red light district. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was there I would be chained to a bed

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<v Speaker 2>because people like the fat many and women alex that

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<v Speaker 2>they could abuse me however they wished to. They had

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<v Speaker 2>to pay more.

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<v Speaker 2>Alongside that was I had to perform in child sexual

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<v Speaker 2>abuse materials as in videos, and you know, perform on

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<v Speaker 2>a men and women and children at times because those

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<v Speaker 2>images and those videos the old fashioned, the old.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we call that eight milimeter eight milimeter video

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<v Speaker 1>a video?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, back in those days they didn't have video.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight melimeter yeah, super eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And I always remember the sound of the clicking,

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<v Speaker 2>the clicking is there's the tape tend But I would

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<v Speaker 2>I would approach not another adult around me, but at

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<v Speaker 2>the softest, safest looking pedophile, believe it or not, because

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<v Speaker 2>I thought if I was to approach them and behave

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<v Speaker 2>in the sexualized way I'd been trained to, they may

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<v Speaker 2>be gently with me and not hurt me as much.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was there's so many layers and levels. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so greatful to be here. I'm very thankful, Gloria.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask you. I mean, this sounds so

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<v Speaker 1>horrific and in my heart and my soul cry out

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<v Speaker 1>to you, really, and I just want to hug you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hug that little girl that was going through

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<v Speaker 1>all of this. How did you mentally deal with this?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have any spiritual did you even did you

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<v Speaker 1>think about that? Did you think about a God? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you were you angry at this God? Or was there

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<v Speaker 1>someone there helping you in the spiritual sense that you

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know. I'm just asking, is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that? How did you go through this mentally?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So, when I realized it was me or me

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<v Speaker 2>I could rely on, I started to go with them.

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<v Speaker 2>I hid nothing outside of me and there was no

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<v Speaker 2>safe heal, there was no safe person. I couldn't trust anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I would put myself in the boot of my father's

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<v Speaker 2>predator friends, hoping that when they discovered me in there

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<v Speaker 2>back at their homes, they would keep me and keep

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<v Speaker 2>me safe. That's how desperate I was, But they always

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<v Speaker 2>return me to him. But in answer to your question,

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<v Speaker 2>I learned to go within, and I learned to look

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<v Speaker 2>up at the sky. So often I would see the

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<v Speaker 2>sky at night and see the man in the moon smiling,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, oh, he's smiling at me. Someone loves me.

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<v Speaker 2>Or during the day I'd make shapes with clouds as

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<v Speaker 2>children do, and just hold on to anything I could

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<v Speaker 2>through light. Actually, and I also became a big fan

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<v Speaker 2>of angels, so they were around me from a very

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<v Speaker 2>young age, the little tiny ones with wings when I

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<v Speaker 2>was little, but they grew as I grew it, now

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<v Speaker 2>the huge so we have. I call Raphael and Gabriel

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<v Speaker 2>and my protectors, my lovely angels. But I hate to

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to have. I hate to have something. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think, out of that grew I can do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I can do this. So some days I couldn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd get through it. Some hours I didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>I'd make it. And sometimes it was just minute by

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<v Speaker 2>minute I think, I just if I can just keep moving,

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<v Speaker 2>if I can just keep breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you when you finally got away from that

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<v Speaker 1>situation and became free, essentially, was there any consequences for

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<v Speaker 1>your father, for your family, for any.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this, Yes, good questions. So it took me until

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<v Speaker 2>I was a parent myself and my daughter was the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Agi was when the abuse began at its worst that

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<v Speaker 2>I started having the most horrendous flashbacks and triggers. Prior

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<v Speaker 2>to that, I had told people about what had gone

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<v Speaker 2>on as a teenager and then as a young adult,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'd blocked all that, and so when the mind

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<v Speaker 2>is ready, the recall appears, and so they came at me,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can imagine it was at the speed of light.

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<v Speaker 2>If I hadn't been a paranelyx, I wouldn't be here today.

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<v Speaker 2>It was that horrendous. And that was the memories. That

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<v Speaker 2>was not the events in terms of me experiencing them.

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<v Speaker 2>That was just the recall, So you can imagine the

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<v Speaker 2>horror and so yes, for me, dealing with all of

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<v Speaker 2>that took a toll. But it was during the first

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<v Speaker 2>year or two of recovery of memory full memory, that

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<v Speaker 2>So my whole family turned against me. I lost everybody

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<v Speaker 1>Just to go back for a second, when you said

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<v Speaker 2>amazing survivors watching this, and this is good for people

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<v Speaker 2>to be aware of. Okay, Alex, when all this horror

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<v Speaker 2>that's what dissociation is. Now for me, the horror, you

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<v Speaker 2>training with to be a teacher what happened, I blocked

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<v Speaker 2>it as well. So I blocked everything to do with

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<v Speaker 1>So so you're you're you just could not process it.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't have the the equipment, the skill set to

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<v Speaker 1>for people to understand this that you know, we all

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<v Speaker 1>have traumas in our lives, and we all block things

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<v Speaker 1>that were traumatic in our lives. Obviously, what you're, what

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<v Speaker 1>horrific extreme at that. But the concept that the the

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<v Speaker 1>hide that. The brain is designed to protect us generally,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's there to block block. We don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not deal with that. But the longer you went,

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<v Speaker 1>were not forced to. You were it was right in

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<v Speaker 1>I can't hold this back anymore, we need to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with this. Is that kind of how it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent? And it's like, look, if you are

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<v Speaker 2>your minds and to protect it, protects us from the

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<v Speaker 2>trauma of knowledge, of knowing, of being in the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, the very best definition of dissociation is

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<v Speaker 2>the mind leaves because the body can't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so I could deal with it, apparently in

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<v Speaker 1>You know, once that flood of memories came back, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>assuming it was kind of like a oh God, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is a good term, but the

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<v Speaker 1>dark night of the soul. You had to do the

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<v Speaker 1>these these these monsters inside of your psyche and you

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<v Speaker 1>had to bring them out into the light, which is

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<v Speaker 1>And only by doing that, though, is how you essentially

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<v Speaker 1>free yourself to be able to have a conversation like

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<v Speaker 1>this very freely. And you have been having them for

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<v Speaker 1>many years now, is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>About three a three and a half. I first started

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<v Speaker 2>talking back in twenty twenty one when my me and

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<v Speaker 2>Mike came out. But yeah, and look, I feel healed

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<v Speaker 2>enough and that I need to give back. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a choice, Selex, It's just very big in me.

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<v Speaker 2>You see. This purpose is to shine light help others

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<v Speaker 2>by shining light on this darkness, so people can be helped.

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<v Speaker 1>So one question I get asked all the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to ask this question to you to see

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<v Speaker 1>what you have to say, because I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very important question. So many of us I'm sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>tearing up a little bit, so there with me. So

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<v Speaker 1>many of us go through go through life with things

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<v Speaker 1>happening to them, bad things happening to them. And the

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<v Speaker 1>question I get asked often is why does bad things happen?

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<v Speaker 1>To good people. You've gone through things that are unimaginable

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<v Speaker 1>to most people on this planet. Yeah, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>ask did you ever ask that question? Has that question

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<v Speaker 1>ever been proposed to you? And have you had have

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<v Speaker 1>you been able to answer it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And look, thank you and thanks for your compassion.

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<v Speaker 2>I see that I've wondered that myself, of our set

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<v Speaker 2>of myself and you know, the unhealed parts of me

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<v Speaker 2>over the initial decade where I was just angry and

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<v Speaker 2>furious and blaming. Now I see it slightly differently and

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<v Speaker 2>just breathe through it. I think what happens to us

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<v Speaker 2>in life is good things happen that that makes us happy,

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<v Speaker 2>and we can grow neural pathways to accept more happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>But when bad things happen, the gift is in what

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<v Speaker 2>do we do with that? And what do we learn

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<v Speaker 2>from that? And how can we use that learned to

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<v Speaker 2>recognize Alex without taking away from anything I suffered? Is there.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be able to fulfill my purpose on this

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<v Speaker 1>That is a very evolved soul speaking right now, because

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a special kind of person to accept that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think all of us As we get older,

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<v Speaker 1>we look back at the things that happened to us,

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<v Speaker 1>the bad and the good, but specifically the bad and

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic that without it we wouldn't be who we are.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the these are the obstacles, These are the

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<v Speaker 1>things that make us grow. I mean, but as I

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<v Speaker 1>say that out loud, I'm like, my god, you went

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<v Speaker 1>through such a horrific thing. I don't I mean, what's

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<v Speaker 1>what was the point of it? And you're just saying it.

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<v Speaker 1>The point of it is now you are helping you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people around the world. You know, hopefully you know, hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of people will watch this and that will

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<v Speaker 1>be a kind of ripple effect from this conversation for

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, and I'm not being insincere when I say it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've had to learn. I've had to learn the

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<v Speaker 2>hard way, Alex. It didn't mean I didn't have or

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<v Speaker 2>don't have self compassion and grace, but it just meant

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<v Speaker 2>they were still winning, that evil was on top. If

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find a way to work through, understand and

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<v Speaker 2>try and overcome and then use it in the using

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<v Speaker 2>of it, it's not even something I can control. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the very deep spiritual part of me. Do this, do this,

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<v Speaker 2>do this. I've got to do this work. It's my purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you say spiritual, what did you gravitate to?

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<v Speaker 1>What teachings did you gravitate to? What? Or was it

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<v Speaker 1>just something that you found within yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting because I believe it's always there for us.

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<v Speaker 2>And when people look outside of themselves, I always want

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<v Speaker 2>to caution that you may find things outside of you,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's always an a gender attached me included with

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<v Speaker 2>anything that is shared and then assimilated for me. What

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<v Speaker 2>I often think and wish for everybody is stop going

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<v Speaker 2>outside and start to look within. That is where the

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<v Speaker 2>answer is. That is where the truth lies. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was grateful, you see, I was. I'm so glad I

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<v Speaker 2>had angels around me and I knew the ethereal nature

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<v Speaker 2>and the gentleness and the softness and the light is

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<v Speaker 2>what lifted me. So on those days, it wasn't feet

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<v Speaker 2>I had, it was wings that were carrying.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, let me ask you. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have anger or did you just did you

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<v Speaker 1>just skip right through the anger it goes straight to

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<v Speaker 1>the pain, Like how you know, if you did have anger,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you overcome it? And how did you overcome

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of revenge? Of vengeance? You know? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's that I have to believe that crossed your mind

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<v Speaker 1>at one point or another.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, and look you out talking to a human

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<v Speaker 2>being who also happens to be a newth angel. But

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. Of course. Look it took me a

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<v Speaker 2>long long time. I you know, it's I've been over

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years since I started dealing with this, and the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the grief is a cycle, and I felt

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<v Speaker 2>angry at times. But you see, whenever I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with my family who wouldn't believe me, I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up using my voice and trying to be as

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<v Speaker 2>often slammed down that if I started to get angry,

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<v Speaker 2>be the care to just be everything I could be,

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<v Speaker 2>to keep everybody happy, and that was a very big conditioning.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only been in the last five or so years

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<v Speaker 2>with a therapist I see who said to me, much

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<v Speaker 2>like you, where's the anger? What's happened with the anger?

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<v Speaker 2>And I go, oh, no, I don't need to feel angry. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't have wanted to be a driver on the

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<v Speaker 2>road for the next six months when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>the car. But yes, it did surface, and I did

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<v Speaker 2>that actually anger is as healthy as an emotion as

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<v Speaker 2>joy or happiness or peacefulness or you know, curiosity. And

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<v Speaker 2>I had to learn to assimilate that because my father

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<v Speaker 2>and brother, who was also a very big abuser of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>very evil men, what was I was always terrified around them.

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<v Speaker 2>They were much bigger than me, but I were very

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<v Speaker 2>very very vitriolic and vitriolic and rage filled. So Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm there, You've embraced your You've erased Liam Neeson.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, that's that's watching you. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's an important thing because so many people that go

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<v Speaker 1>So when it all comes boiling up, it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with. What advice do you have for people

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<v Speaker 1>who this might trigger something by watching this? This might

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, thirty years, a lifetime even, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to come out rushing out. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>even a controlled release, and like when you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>a therapist, it's a control it seems at least somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>of a control release. What happened to you was not.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just like and it all came in and

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<v Speaker 1>you just had to to handle it on a psychological

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<v Speaker 1>and emotional and spiritual standpoint. So what advice would you

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<v Speaker 1>have for someone who is about to or is going

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<v Speaker 1>through this recollection, this flood of anger and trauma that

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<v Speaker 1>they're dealing with. We'll be right back after a word

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<v Speaker 1>from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it may surprise the audience, but accept it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is there to teach you and to help you.

435
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<v Speaker 2>The worst thing you can do is block it or

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<v Speaker 2>stop it or try and remonstrate with it about go way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not good for me. That will then come back

438
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<v Speaker 2>in ways you don't even want to imagine. It won't

439
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<v Speaker 2>leave you alone until eventually you get hit over the

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<v Speaker 2>head with a piece of full by two. Because it's

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<v Speaker 2>coming for you and you're going to have to manage it.

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<v Speaker 2>So best advice accept it, breathe through it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>ask it what it has to teach you. If you

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<v Speaker 2>allow it to embody you, you then the trajectory it

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<v Speaker 2>takes tape us off and it's gone more quickly than

446
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<v Speaker 2>if you try and block and stop. It's healthy. We

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<v Speaker 2>need it. We just need to lose ways to manage

448
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<v Speaker 2>it so we don't hurt ourselves or others.

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<v Speaker 1>You have, you've we were talking before you came on

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<v Speaker 1>about the hand signs for kids. Yeah, thing that you

451
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<v Speaker 1>were talking about. Can we talk a little bit about

452
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<v Speaker 1>what the what this is and how important it is

453
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<v Speaker 1>to teach our children and anybody who's in trouble this sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you. So this was first coined in Northern

455
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<v Speaker 2>Canada and I think twenty twenty when the first lockdowns

456
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>occurred across the globe, and it was for women who

457
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>were being domestically abused and trapped in the house, and

458
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<v Speaker 2>so you would see this sign last year through the foundation.

459
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I run the charitable foundation called Handing the Shameback, which

460
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<v Speaker 2>is what adult survivors do, Alex when they find their

461
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>voice finally about their abuses, handing the shame bag speaking.

462
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<v Speaker 2>And I realize we have a lot of young people

463
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and children who are still being sexually abused in traffick.

464
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<v Speaker 2>And what I know to be true is that children

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<v Speaker 2>don't speak of this. Only five to ten percent will

466
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<v Speaker 2>ever find the words. But what children can't do is

467
00:31:54.839 --> 00:32:00.039
<v Speaker 2>hide behavior and hide what their body is doing. So

468
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I repurposed it, reached out across to northern Canada and said, look,

469
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.759
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to use it East, go ahead. So this

470
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:12.319
<v Speaker 2>is now four children under sixteen to use. And we

471
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<v Speaker 2>know it's being used across the world. You cited an example.

472
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<v Speaker 2>I've got people in New Zealand who have reached out

473
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<v Speaker 2>and seen it being used in schools. We've got people

474
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.240
<v Speaker 2>all across the globe who reach out and say I

475
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.759
<v Speaker 2>saw it, I saw it, and they're able to do

476
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:34.839
<v Speaker 2>something with it. Because my question becomes, who's going to

477
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<v Speaker 2>save the kids, Alex, If not you then who yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was telling you before we came on

479
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:43.599
<v Speaker 1>that I was aware of this sign. My children know

480
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<v Speaker 1>the sign as well. We saw it on a news

481
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<v Speaker 1>on the news that there was a child I can

482
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.079
<v Speaker 1>think we've been kidnapped, and he was. She was on

483
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the on the highway and this other this other car

484
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.240
<v Speaker 1>drove up next to her and they pulled out the

485
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<v Speaker 1>phone and she just went like this and she kept

486
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 1>going like this to them and they didn't what is that?

487
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<v Speaker 1>What is that? At the time, they didn't know what

488
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:11.599
<v Speaker 1>it was, but there was something else. The lady looked

489
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>up that hand sign and they discovered that that meant

490
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.079
<v Speaker 1>that she was in trouble. Helped me yep, and she

491
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<v Speaker 1>called the police. The police pulled and pulled it over

492
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>and saved the child. So that that signal is that

493
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<v Speaker 1>hand signal, and for people listening, it's all four fingers

494
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>covering your thumb as your thumb goes underneath. You could

495
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you could look at it on YouTube. It is such

496
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<v Speaker 1>an important and powerful tool because you can't say things

497
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<v Speaker 1>in public when you're in that situation, but you can

498
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<v Speaker 1>sneak a hand You can signal pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that you brought that up because it

500
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<v Speaker 2>was only the other day when and saw a Chiropecter

501
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<v Speaker 2>and we were talking about the hand sign and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting, he said, when he has children or teenagers

503
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<v Speaker 2>and rome the parents think he's looking at the bodies

504
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<v Speaker 2>of the children, he's not. He's always looking at the

505
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<v Speaker 2>hand to see if they're signing.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, really, can you.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine if we had this on billboards across the world.

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<v Speaker 1>This is such a this is such a massive, massive problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have I have hope because there seems to

510
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<v Speaker 1>be a lot more awareness now with that film Sounds,

511
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<v Speaker 1>I think Sounds of Freedom, and you know all the

512
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<v Speaker 1>the the Epstein thing that happened. You know, these things

513
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<v Speaker 1>are starting to come out now and is and it's

514
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<v Speaker 1>that was not the case ten years ago, twenty years ago.

515
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<v Speaker 2>It was never und you one hundred percent right, I didn't.

516
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<v Speaker 2>I did interview Paul Hutchinson, who was the the chief

517
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<v Speaker 2>producer on Sound of Freedom, and Hey and I both agreed,

518
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<v Speaker 2>the vast majority of children who are sex trafficked across

519
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.320
<v Speaker 2>the world sleep in their own beds at night. So Alex,

520
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<v Speaker 2>we've got to get over the fat this is happening

521
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 2>in streets around you. We know that by in our

522
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<v Speaker 2>country and not dissimilar I'm sure yours. But the time

523
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<v Speaker 2>a girl is sixteen, one and three and one in

524
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.639
<v Speaker 2>five boys will have been sexually abused. So this is

525
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<v Speaker 2>bigger than we think. There's more and more being uncovered,

526
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and we just need to be mindful that for our

527
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 2>young people, they're being targeted. They're being targeted through things

528
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<v Speaker 2>like snapchap, Instagram, TikTok, and they don't know it because

529
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 2>what the predators do is take on the persona of

530
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:53.079
<v Speaker 2>the same age child. But you know, just be aware,

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<v Speaker 2>pearance and safe adults, please that not everything is as

532
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<v Speaker 2>it seems, and we need to teach kids some tools,

533
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<v Speaker 2>some body safety rules, in some ways to keep themselves

534
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<v Speaker 2>safe so they can lead adults around them know when

535
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<v Speaker 2>things aren't right.

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<v Speaker 1>You just said it was such a powerful statement that

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<v Speaker 1>most children who are sex trafficked sleep in their beds

538
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<v Speaker 1>at night. That that is absolutely terrifying, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>the image in the public's eye is films like taking,

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00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>films like Sounds of Freedom. You know, the very and

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<v Speaker 1>those exist. That situation exists, but that is not the

542
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<v Speaker 1>majority of what's happening. The majority is actually what happened

543
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<v Speaker 1>to you family sex trafficking their child. Or there's sex trafficking,

544
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:54.639
<v Speaker 1>there's sexual abuse, two different things, similar but different. But

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to you is not just something not just

546
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<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse, it was sex trafficking. When you said I

547
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<v Speaker 1>was leased out, you know, to groups, I mean when

548
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you say that, I think of a car. You lease

549
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>a car, You don't lease a human being. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even I can't even comprehend the the being a father

551
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<v Speaker 1>and doing that to your child. I can't, right, I

552
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.199
<v Speaker 1>just can't even process it. You know, it gets me angry,

553
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>It gets me sad. I can't process that, you know,

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00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I can process taken that there's a you know, or

555
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 1>squid games or something like that, which is like these rich,

556
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:44.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, guys with masks and they're all, you know,

557
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<v Speaker 1>all that kind of creepy stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that other Epstein Island or that I kind

560
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<v Speaker 1>of can wrap my head around. But that your your parents,

561
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that the people that brought you into this world, that

562
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.360
<v Speaker 1>your loved ones do this to you is something that

563
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>is so so so difficult for me to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and unfortunately, over ninety three percent of sexual abuse

565
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 2>of children and young people is by someone well known

566
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<v Speaker 2>to them and all their family. So repeat around there.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask you because it's something else in

568
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:31.679
<v Speaker 1>this subject has come out recently. Is the whole P.

569
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<v Speaker 1>Diddy thing here in the States, which is explosive to

570
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<v Speaker 1>say the least. And you know, there isn't anything out

571
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<v Speaker 1>there that's rock solid just yet, but there's a lot

572
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>of circumstantial evidence being talked about, and you know, Hollywood

573
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<v Speaker 1>and all of that. And will be right back after

574
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<v Speaker 1>a word from our sponsor and now back to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you hear these stories, you're like, how

576
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:14.360
<v Speaker 1>how could this go on for decades in plain sight?

577
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<v Speaker 1>Not even like hidden in a dark alley somewhere or

578
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<v Speaker 1>in a dungeon somewhere like this was parties, you know,

579
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 1>people coming in after midnight. Everyone you know who's not

580
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 1>an adult hasked to leave like these kind of when

581
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<v Speaker 1>this that story broke, what did you think? What is

582
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<v Speaker 1>your feeling on that whole, that whole thing that he's

583
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<v Speaker 1>got going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, I think two things. One, this child's sexual

585
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>abuse and trafficking is not new. This has been happening

586
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<v Speaker 2>since time began. What people struggle with and I think

587
00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the reason people struggle is this thing I call cognitive dissonance. So, Alex,

588
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the reason it's known but never really talked about is

589
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:10.079
<v Speaker 2>because it goes against good people's ethics, values and morals.

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<v Speaker 2>And like you just said, you can't even get how

591
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>could a father do that. So for most good people

592
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 2>they turn away because no, that can't happen. And by

593
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 2>the way, that child's always but misbehaving, so I think

594
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<v Speaker 2>they're naughty and they're probably lying, which is what how

595
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<v Speaker 2>you would have described me. But what people didn't realize

596
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>was it's a cry for help. And so the cognitive

597
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 2>dissonance is one reason. But I also think, yes, I

598
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>believe it to be true because you know, I'm thinking

599
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<v Speaker 2>about the children. Among the people that have come forward

600
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>that were children at the time, of boys young as

601
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<v Speaker 2>nine who was promised by P Diddy that he would

602
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<v Speaker 2>get them into the music scene. He just didn't realize

603
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:03.079
<v Speaker 2>the cost to him would be. You know, another girl

604
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.360
<v Speaker 2>who was included on a bit laid out with other

605
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 2>children as party favors for some of these celebrities and

606
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.639
<v Speaker 2>some of the people that did take part in it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there are talks of you know, they were

608
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<v Speaker 2>heavily drugged. I don't care, it still happened. But the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing I would love to know what you think

610
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<v Speaker 2>Alex's as well, is there were people there who did

611
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<v Speaker 2>not take part in that, but they observed it. What's

612
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.719
<v Speaker 2>your view on their complicity in this?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? I mean, the Me Too movement kind of really

614
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<v Speaker 1>broke open a lot of that complicity thing. I mean,

615
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<v Speaker 1>you know, I had heard in my travels, in my

616
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 1>travels going through Hollywood when I was a young man,

617
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<v Speaker 1>I was in my twenties, and I was invited to

618
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these big rooms with the big producers

619
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<v Speaker 1>and the big movie stars, and I would just hear things.

620
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<v Speaker 1>I would hear things about certain actors that that would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, I'm sorry, what you know? I still remember,

622
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<v Speaker 1>I still remember. I won't say his name, but we

623
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<v Speaker 1>were you know. I almost did a movie for the

624
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<v Speaker 1>Mafia when I was twenty seven, and twenty million dollar movie.

625
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<v Speaker 1>So I had a gangster threatening my life on a

626
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<v Speaker 1>daily basis for a year, one of the more dramatic

627
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<v Speaker 1>things I've ever had to go through in my life.

628
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<v Speaker 1>But when I was flown out to la and I

629
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<v Speaker 1>met a lot of these big celebrities and agents and

630
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<v Speaker 1>all this kind of stuff I over. I literally was

631
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<v Speaker 1>hearing an agent, an agent like this actor's agent says, Hey,

632
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<v Speaker 1>this actor, he really wants to be in your movie.

633
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<v Speaker 1>He'd love to meet with you, but I have to

634
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<v Speaker 1>kind of warn you about something. You know, when he

635
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<v Speaker 1>meets guys, he just likes to grab them in the balls.

636
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<v Speaker 1>That's the way he says hello. And I was just

637
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<v Speaker 1>like what. And of course, my gangster h doesn't play that,

638
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 1>so we never got to meet with him. He goes,

639
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<v Speaker 1>if he touches me, I'll thrown through a window. Kind of.

640
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<v Speaker 1>He was an old stool, old school gangster. But I'd

641
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<v Speaker 1>heard these stories, and I'd heard a lot of them.

642
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.119
<v Speaker 1>So when the me too movement happened, I saw it.

643
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<v Speaker 1>But things like Harvey Weinstein the complicit, Like it was

644
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<v Speaker 1>so complicit. The entire town knew, The entire town knew

645
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.119
<v Speaker 1>about that, everybody knew about everybody knew about Harvey, but

646
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<v Speaker 1>yet no one ever did anything. So same thing happened.

647
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what does that tell us if no one

648
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<v Speaker 2>even did anything? Is it self preservation?

649
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Is it?

650
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I want to be I'm scared of what have you

651
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<v Speaker 2>might do? It if I.

652
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<v Speaker 1>When they're that powerful. Same thing with p did he

653
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<v Speaker 1>He was so powerful in the because he had so

654
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<v Speaker 1>much dirt on so many people that he was basically

655
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<v Speaker 1>a he was a mobster. He was he was he

656
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 1>was the godfather, so he would just you know, he's

657
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:07.480
<v Speaker 1>acting like a mafioso essentially, not a music producer. So

658
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 1>people were terrified. So if they did see something, they're

659
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<v Speaker 1>not going to say anything because they didn't want anything

660
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<v Speaker 1>to happen. So it's so it's fascinating.

661
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<v Speaker 2>But this and everything you've seed, if we extrapolate that

662
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<v Speaker 2>it and projected onto sixteen and unders the children that

663
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<v Speaker 2>were being abused, people knew nothing was Seid. So we

664
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<v Speaker 2>need to start holding mirrors. Ape is society.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely, I mean the stuff that look, there's there's

666
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<v Speaker 1>certain musicians, young musicians and young pop stars who were

667
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<v Speaker 1>in his circle that I'm just terrified to think about

668
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:54.280
<v Speaker 1>what happened to those those kids when they were kids.

669
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<v Speaker 1>They're adults now, but what happened to them, what they've

670
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<v Speaker 1>dealt with to get to where they are. Hollywood is

671
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<v Speaker 1>one of those places that and this is not news.

672
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, there was a documentary on the

673
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse of kids stars on Nickelodeon and a Disney

674
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Channel and these kind of things, the pedophiles, all that stuff.

675
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>This is not a new thing, but the light that's

676
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 1>being placed on it is, and it's something that is

677
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 1>something that's really really important to put out there. But

678
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<v Speaker 1>I love that you're saying that, Like, what about the

679
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 1>people who saw that and did nothing, Well, that's something

680
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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to have to live with. They're going

681
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to have to live with that because it's either because

682
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 1>it was self preservation or I don't want to get involved,

683
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.760
<v Speaker 1>or it's not my problem or any of that stuff.

684
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I understand all of that stuff, especially

685
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:48.159
<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood, when your career is everything and there's one

686
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>person who could literally make a phone call and you're done,

687
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and you're done. It's happened. There's happened. There's an Oscar

688
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.239
<v Speaker 1>winner out there right now who has not worked because

689
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.000
<v Speaker 1>she crossed somebody. Not on the sexual stuff, but just

690
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 1>in general, it happens. I get it. I get it,

691
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:04.239
<v Speaker 1>But it's some things are more.

692
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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's just Alex's I'm sure you would agree,

693
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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure your audience would. Children can't save themselves.

694
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 2>They need us. Agreed, agreed, they need us. And in

695
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:22.840
<v Speaker 2>the non action, there is action because the action is

696
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:26.280
<v Speaker 2>choosing not to act. Sorry, there's a choice. That person

697
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:30.360
<v Speaker 2>made a choice. I saw. I may have hated it,

698
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.360
<v Speaker 2>but I stayed. You chose mate, you chose buddy.

699
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And I think that whatever happens with

700
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Speaker 1>that case, the Diddy case, I think it's going to

701
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 1>be a nuclear bomb going off, because it's not just Hollywood,

702
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>it's music industry, it's business, it's financial CEOs, it's everything.

703
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Because he I mean, he's been throwing parties for twenty

704
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:03.760
<v Speaker 1>five years, you know, all of these kind of things

705
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.599
<v Speaker 1>for twenty five years. He's been doing this since the nineties.

706
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.400
<v Speaker 1>So you need to tell me how many people walk

707
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 1>through those doors, how many people were at one of

708
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.800
<v Speaker 1>these these infamous parties at one point or another. It's

709
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 1>going to be it's going to be I think a

710
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:26.039
<v Speaker 1>needed nuclear bomb kind of going off in this, in

711
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 1>this this unfortunate thing that happens in the world. It's

712
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the kind of light that needs to be shined on this,

713
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and I think a case like his will do that

714
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:41.679
<v Speaker 1>if if if it's allowed out, I think there might

715
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:46.440
<v Speaker 1>be there might be some hope in this, but they

716
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 1>have thousands of hours of tape, thousands of hours that

717
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:57.199
<v Speaker 1>they got, so unless they're covering it up or they

718
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.679
<v Speaker 1>won't release it. But I have a feeling that there's

719
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 1>some there's some names that don't want to come out,

720
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet there are. But you have to ask yourself,

722
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<v Speaker 2>if you mentioned Epstein Epstein before, do you think while

723
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.000
<v Speaker 2>you and I still drawing breath, the names will ever

724
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.320
<v Speaker 2>be released because I don't think they're ever going to

725
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 2>be released in case, that's what it's a Yeah, So

726
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:23.320
<v Speaker 2>the messages kids and teenagers, you have no value here.

727
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.639
<v Speaker 2>You may have been abused, you may have been exploited,

728
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.800
<v Speaker 2>your lives may have been ruined, but you are of

729
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:34.880
<v Speaker 2>no value here because these megalomaniacs are the ones who

730
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.880
<v Speaker 2>are more or seen as more important, but equally Alex

731
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 2>they're being protected. Now that's the corruption, and that's that's

732
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.719
<v Speaker 2>the stuff we need to be aware of because you know,

733
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:51.760
<v Speaker 2>when I think about it, the costs to us globally.

734
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:59.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking fiscal, I'm talking spiritually and mentally. Is

735
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.559
<v Speaker 2>asked horrendous were living in an age where as are

736
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<v Speaker 2>quoted to you one and three girls and one in

737
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<v Speaker 2>five boys are experiencing this, then Amazon decreasing. My question

738
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<v Speaker 2>is where's the noise.

739
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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

740
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 1>and now back to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>If this was motor vehicle accidents, what do you think

742
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<v Speaker 2>would be hit ing?

743
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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, it'd be lawsuits everywhere. Everybody would be like,

744
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:37.559
<v Speaker 1>you can't get into that car. You're killing people. If

745
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.760
<v Speaker 1>they're right, of course you couldn't. But you know, Gloria,

746
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, it's you know, we

747
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.760
<v Speaker 1>live in a capitalistic world and money is the thing

748
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.559
<v Speaker 1>that drives this planet, and they're going to save and

749
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>protect and put money above children, above women, above men,

750
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:06.719
<v Speaker 1>above humans because it's about money, which infuriates me at

751
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.239
<v Speaker 1>so many levels, because it's just like, you can't take

752
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 1>it with you, man, this is not the way to do.

753
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<v Speaker 1>This is not the way you come That's not what

754
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<v Speaker 1>you do when you come down here. And I don't know,

755
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<v Speaker 1>it just it upsets me to my core. It is.

756
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<v Speaker 1>It's something that I can't really again wrap my head around.

757
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<v Speaker 1>But I'm so glad that we were able to have

758
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<v Speaker 1>this kind of conversation and get this thing out there.

759
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<v Speaker 1>What tell me about your your organization and what you're

760
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<v Speaker 1>trying to do for people.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. So look two parts to it. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>handing the shameback dot org is I said, that's what

763
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<v Speaker 2>where survivors do when we find a voice, because the

764
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<v Speaker 2>shame never belonged to us, belong to the adult who

765
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.119
<v Speaker 2>chose to abuse us. So every time a survivor speaks

766
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<v Speaker 2>or she is there handing the shame back, so we

767
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<v Speaker 2>we do. I provide a lot of resource and content

768
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:08.559
<v Speaker 2>for survivors. It's all free, just so that they have

769
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<v Speaker 2>a safe place to land in a way to get

770
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<v Speaker 2>some information which may help lift them and support them

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<v Speaker 2>and have them feel less alone. The other branch, that

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<v Speaker 2>is the child protection and advocacy, and that's where the

773
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:27.800
<v Speaker 2>hand sign comes in. And that's where that third book,

774
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<v Speaker 2>Keeping Kids Safe comes in, and in there are a

775
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:37.000
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of techniques and ideas for safe adults to

776
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<v Speaker 2>use to educate their own children. Not a book for

777
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.760
<v Speaker 2>children to read, it's a book for parents to sit

778
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 2>down with or teachers to teach about because a lot

779
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:53.119
<v Speaker 2>of children and teenagers don't know that they can say no,

780
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Speaker 2>or that their body belongs to them, or that if

781
00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:00.639
<v Speaker 2>they feel unsafe, there are things they can do, you know.

782
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<v Speaker 2>For instance, one of the one of the chapters in

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<v Speaker 2>the book is tools for Parents, and in there I've

784
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<v Speaker 2>got as an example, sit down with the kids, sit

785
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<v Speaker 2>down with the girls one night, have a pizza dinner,

786
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.480
<v Speaker 2>and say, right, we're going to vote on an emoji.

787
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 2>If ever you're not here and you're feeling unsafe or

788
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.159
<v Speaker 2>there's potential for that abuse and you're just not getting

789
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.320
<v Speaker 2>a good vote, send us an emoji, no words needed.

790
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<v Speaker 2>We will stop, drop and drive. We're going to come

791
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 2>and get you, and you're gone from that place. Now.

792
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.880
<v Speaker 2>For younger children, you know, the family might vote, might

793
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.840
<v Speaker 2>be a Teddy Bear emoji. For teenagers, whatever's current. But

794
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the point is you don't have to use words so

795
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<v Speaker 2>that the predator or the house therein are not aware

796
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.159
<v Speaker 2>of what's going on. But all they'll know is is

797
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:53.719
<v Speaker 2>a knock at the door and you're saying, oh, forgot,

798
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<v Speaker 2>We've got to go to Gradmr's first thing in the morning.

799
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<v Speaker 2>Come on, girls, we're out of there, We're out of here,

800
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:04.519
<v Speaker 2>or you know. But again, simple little tips, techniques and

801
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:10.519
<v Speaker 2>tricks to help educate the children and teenagers in our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>So at least they've got something because at the moment,

803
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.599
<v Speaker 2>parents don't know what's going on. You know, we talked

804
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:24.039
<v Speaker 2>about child sex trafficking. People don't believe this happens in

805
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:24.639
<v Speaker 2>their street.

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00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:27.079
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be that Uncle John turned up, stayed for

808
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.760
<v Speaker 2>a few as a mom and dad went home. What

809
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:35.519
<v Speaker 2>we may not realize is Uncle John had paid you know,

810
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<v Speaker 2>his brother or his sister a hundred bucks to spend

811
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<v Speaker 2>an hour with the teenager.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, I hate to be graphic, but

814
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.280
<v Speaker 2>it's true. So all of this I decided it's time

815
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<v Speaker 2>to come full circle. Alex and jask of people some

816
00:53:54.760 --> 00:54:00.599
<v Speaker 2>information so they can disseminate it and then able to

817
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:05.639
<v Speaker 2>use it so they are more prepared. You know. We

818
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 2>get people here in New Zealand had a family contact

819
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:17.400
<v Speaker 2>and say, really stressed, my nephew's been been at school

820
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<v Speaker 2>and he's now suspended because a group of older kids

821
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:24.320
<v Speaker 2>were playing an online game together. Said to him, you've

822
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<v Speaker 2>got to do something to a girl at school this age.

823
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<v Speaker 2>It might have been an eight year old, and then

824
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<v Speaker 2>send us an image and if you don't, we're going

825
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<v Speaker 2>to share that photo of you that you know you

826
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 2>had taken for us, and we're going to spread it

827
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<v Speaker 2>around everywhere. So we call that sex tution. Now there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this happening. There's a lot of things

829
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<v Speaker 2>safe people, safe adults, good people don't even know exist.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a part of the book Keeping Kids Safe. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a roadmap actually for parents, teachers and others. So at

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<v Speaker 2>least then once you know, you can't not know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great advice, that's really great advice. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any tips or advice for someone who is feeling overwhelmed

835
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<v Speaker 1>with their healing journey of healing their trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Look, I think it comes down to self grace

837
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<v Speaker 2>and self compassion. As survivors were used to feeling wrong

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<v Speaker 2>that somehow it was our fault, that there's some guilt

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<v Speaker 2>we misplace. So self loathing is usually in there somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in the top five emotions we feel, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>being kind of self and if you can swap it

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<v Speaker 2>out with what you might say or how you would

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<v Speaker 2>treat your best friend who was sharing your story is

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<v Speaker 2>sharing their story with you.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's one message you like everyone to listen listening

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<v Speaker 1>take away about healing and survival, what it would it be?

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<v Speaker 2>There's always hope, even if there feels like there's none,

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<v Speaker 2>there's hope, and I know that to be true because

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<v Speaker 2>I had to find that now glory.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you the same questions ask all

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<v Speaker 1>my guests. So what is your definition of living a

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<v Speaker 1>fulfilled life?

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<v Speaker 2>I think one where you can be authentically you, and

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<v Speaker 2>one where joy is a feature in every day of

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<v Speaker 2>your life. Too often, I think we get it around

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong way and put all our energy into work

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<v Speaker 2>and commitments and forget that joy can be found in

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<v Speaker 2>having a laugh with the kids over breakfast, or noticing

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<v Speaker 2>that that dog just banged into a wall, whatever silliness,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the joy within, finding the child within, I

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<v Speaker 2>think and experiencing that is sign of a fulfilled life.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a chance to go back in time and

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<v Speaker 1>speak to little Gloria, What advice would you give her?

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<v Speaker 2>You're a hero and just never ever doubt the beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>spirit you had and that they didn't kill it. It

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<v Speaker 2>was one thing they couldn't get, so stamstrong and steam proud.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you define God or source within?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not outside of you, It always lies within. Just

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<v Speaker 2>tapping into it helps.

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<v Speaker 1>What is love?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's that feeling of everything that we embrace

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<v Speaker 2>that lights us up, that feels potentially available to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it is what is the ultimate purpose of life.

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<v Speaker 2>To be who you are living your purpose? Well, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a unique.

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<v Speaker 1>Quot and where can people find out more about you

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<v Speaker 1>and the amazing work you're doing in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so hanging the shameback dot org and Gloriamasters

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<v Speaker 2>dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>And Gloria, do you have any parting messages for the audience?

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<v Speaker 2>Just that if and doubt do something. But I'd just

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<v Speaker 2>like to read at the final quote out of the

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<v Speaker 2>BOP keeping kids safe, if I may, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's very powerful. Whose job is it to protect children?

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<v Speaker 2>She asked? Not mind seed one not my problem, said another.

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<v Speaker 2>The question then becomes, if not you, then who?

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<v Speaker 1>Lauria, thank you so much for this conversation. I really

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<v Speaker 1>do hope that this does help people listening around the

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<v Speaker 1>world for many many years to come. And I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you and everything that you're doing to help awaken and

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<v Speaker 1>help this planet and this and our consciousness. So I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, thank you, thank you for your

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful interview.

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