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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Kniff is one of our great attorneys. We have

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<v Speaker 1>them all on this show. You know, Alan Dershowitz, Joseph Tacopina,

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<v Speaker 1>Author I Dollar, even my buddy Jose Baiez down in Miami.

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<v Speaker 1>But Caniff is as good as it gets. Remember he

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<v Speaker 1>served as an assistant district attorney under Janine Piro. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a nominee for the Manhattan District Attorney. He got

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<v Speaker 1>screwed by the Republican Party, so the fat, stupid racist

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<v Speaker 1>Alvin Bragg won. He also served in our Army National Guard.

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<v Speaker 1>George Advocate, the general in that corps. A veteran of

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<v Speaker 1>the Iraq War. He's a hero. He earned the Army

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<v Speaker 1>Commendation Medal and the Global War on Terrorism Medal.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the recipient of the Ronald Reagan Award for the

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<v Speaker 1>Advancement of Individual Liberty, the Marine Corps League Appreciation Award,

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<v Speaker 1>and as an inductee. This is the biggest one of all.

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<v Speaker 1>You ready for this, the massive Peaqua High School Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame. Come on now, undergrad University of Rochester law

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<v Speaker 1>work at Hofstra was swore in Vicky Palladino. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>does it all and Dave works with Steve Razor, a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good guy as well, and he's an author and

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a new book out the name of the

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<v Speaker 1>book is Tuxedo Park, and I'm excited to tell to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. Here is my good friend Tom Kaniff Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, buddy, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, said, and as always, thank you for your

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<v Speaker 3>overly gracious introduction. I don't know who that guy was

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<v Speaker 3>you were talking about. I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you really do all that you could get? All

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<v Speaker 1>that is? Is that true? All that stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you blow me away.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I was a big deal from one of

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<v Speaker 3>my hockey one of my favorite hockey movies, slap Shot Works.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I said in me your book.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course you know, on top of all that,

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<v Speaker 1>most people really do know you because you took on

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<v Speaker 1>that Daniel Penny case Ew and Razor and every decent

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<v Speaker 1>human being, every decent human being knew that Daniel Penny

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<v Speaker 1>was a hero that day on the subways and the

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<v Speaker 1>guy was not the guy that died, and some watching

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<v Speaker 1>it he died. We do this all the time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's pretty or good in Minnesota or this guy

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<v Speaker 1>on the train. We don't want to see people die,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes they do. And in this case, Daniel Penny

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<v Speaker 1>was a hero, but for some reason you and raise her.

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<v Speaker 1>How to convince this moron, Alvin Bragg? You know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after I indicted him to that was the truth, and

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<v Speaker 1>you did do it. So I would say that of

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<v Speaker 1>all the great things you've done, the Daniel Penny verdict

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<v Speaker 1>is probably at the very top of your list.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you know, that's certainly, that's certainly what I'm knowing for.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny. It was on it was on

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<v Speaker 3>Jack John Katsumethes's show last weekend. He brought me on

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about the book very graciously, and he was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of going through my resume like you did. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I start talking about the book and he goes,

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<v Speaker 3>but tell what you're really known for. Well, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the Daniel Penny thing, but hey, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's true that Daniel Penny thing was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this book. Is this the first time you've written

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<v Speaker 1>a book?

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<v Speaker 2>I should others I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Yeah, absolutely, it's finally you don't know that, and

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<v Speaker 3>it absolutely is my first time writing a book. I've

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<v Speaker 3>written a lot as an attorney, but this is, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my first delve into the fiction genre, if

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<v Speaker 3>you will. And you know, it's something that I conceived

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<v Speaker 3>of in concept many many years ago, actually when I

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<v Speaker 3>was still working for gene and you know, I did

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<v Speaker 3>a little. I put it aside. Life happens, kids happen, marriage,

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<v Speaker 3>marriage happens, and and big trials like Daniel Penny. But

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<v Speaker 3>I never you know, I never walked away from it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then in the last few years, I said, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, I really think I have something here. I

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<v Speaker 3>had some very pre eminent authors and a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>very prominent publishers who I knew through professional circles that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of were willing to do me a favorite. So like,

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<v Speaker 3>you take a look at this, be brutally honest. I

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<v Speaker 3>have a day job. And you know, it was just resounding.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone you know, looked at it and said, this is

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<v Speaker 3>this is fantastic. You got to finish this.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, and it looks great. I saw the video

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll discuss the book in a second, but you

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<v Speaker 1>want talking about the very real possibility of making this

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<v Speaker 1>great book Tuxedo Park into a movie. And somebody said

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<v Speaker 1>to me, mayben you that that may be a part

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<v Speaker 1>available for you said in this movie? Is that? And

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<v Speaker 1>also it says, is that something you guys are really

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Well, I'm serious on both counts, because the one

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<v Speaker 3>thing I get from everybody who's gotten a dance copy

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<v Speaker 3>of the book and read it, and I know you

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<v Speaker 3>you looked over it and so forth, is that this

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<v Speaker 3>is a cinematic story. This is like made for the

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<v Speaker 3>big screen. And what the publishing company did, which has

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<v Speaker 3>gotten kind of popular now because you can now do

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<v Speaker 3>things a lot more cost efficiently in the world of

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<v Speaker 3>AI as far as putting together with the book trailers

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<v Speaker 3>which are like a movie trailer for a book. So

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<v Speaker 3>they engaged a company and I know you saw the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what a great trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>It came out great, Tom.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, this is incredible, you know so, And the

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<v Speaker 3>good thing is between you and me while you and

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<v Speaker 3>me and your audience a million people. I retain the

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<v Speaker 3>movie rights in that contract, so you know, we we've

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<v Speaker 3>had some very casual kind of conversations with people. It's

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<v Speaker 3>very early the book, you know, first as to make

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<v Speaker 3>it make its mark, and I think it will, but

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<v Speaker 3>to your second point, I could never be part of

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<v Speaker 3>a movie without trying to find a part for Sid Rosenberg.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think I got one boy and Eddie he's

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of a villain.

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<v Speaker 1>I can do that. I play a mobster in every

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<v Speaker 3>You do you play a mobster and all that? So

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<v Speaker 3>this guy, you know, you wouldn't be playing the protagonist.

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<v Speaker 3>But who's you know, the kind of imperfect hero of

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<v Speaker 3>the book. But I got a character for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, and most heroes are imperfect. And the protagonist,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess people read the book and say, maybe that's you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas Kinneth.

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<v Speaker 1>His name in the book is John Palmer, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>a Manhattan a da I wonder where you got that from.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it fair to assume that John Palmer the

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<v Speaker 1>star of this book is Thomas Kinneff in print?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, I think any You know what I've learned

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<v Speaker 3>the best people out there, is that, you know, good

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<v Speaker 3>writers always put a little bit of their own experiences.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he's a term of lived experience. I hate

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<v Speaker 3>that term, but you know, into their work because it

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<v Speaker 3>creates the reality of it and you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>that this is a going to be a breakout hit.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's going to be a great novel. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not everyone's going to love your work. And

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<v Speaker 3>you gotta have thick skin and you got to be

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<v Speaker 3>willing to accept criticism. But one thing I will not

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<v Speaker 3>accept is someone telling me that, oh, yeah, this book

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<v Speaker 3>isn't realistic, this isn't real because there's so much in

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<v Speaker 3>it that I've taken from a bit for my personal life.

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<v Speaker 3>My uncle built houses in Tuxedo Park. When I was

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<v Speaker 3>a kid, my grandmother lived up there. I'd be slept

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<v Speaker 3>up there every weekend. That's why I thought it would

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<v Speaker 3>be a great place to set a you know, murder conspiracy,

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<v Speaker 3>kidnapping conspiracy case, a very sort of u surreal place.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, the legal stuff that's in there, so

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<v Speaker 3>much of that has been taken from you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I've experienced in twenty five years prosecuting, defending in Manhattan,

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<v Speaker 3>New York City and other places, being in the in

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<v Speaker 3>the jag Hoorn, the military. There's touches of that in there.

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<v Speaker 3>So the realist, the realism thing can't be criticized in

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<v Speaker 1>No, not, the realism but but what you've never done,

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<v Speaker 1>though disrespecting Daniel Penny is at least I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you have is represent the president, well the president elect

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States, in a criminal trial. So this

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<v Speaker 1>tower through in the book, This guy Kent Dawson, who

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<v Speaker 1>at least in the AI video looks every bit the

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<v Speaker 1>part without giving away too much, this will turn out

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<v Speaker 1>to be a criminal investigation for the president. Now, Joe Tacopino,

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<v Speaker 1>def friends of both the Bars, one of my best friends.

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<v Speaker 1>He represented President Trump twice. But I wasn't for murder,

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<v Speaker 1>for kidnapping. So in terms of realism, is that realistic

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<v Speaker 1>in a book like this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Well, look, I mean no question that this is

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<v Speaker 3>a work of fiction. You know, there were people who

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<v Speaker 3>approached me and said, hey, why don't you do a

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<v Speaker 3>book on the Daniel Penny case and this and that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, yeah, I'm not really ready to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a work of fiction. But the means and

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<v Speaker 3>the methods I describe are very much anchored in what

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<v Speaker 3>this would look like if something like this occurred. So,

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<v Speaker 3>in other words, the plot is, you know, John Palmer

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<v Speaker 3>is a young prosecutor who gets sort of drawn into

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<v Speaker 3>an investigation of the kidnapping of his teenage girlfriend from

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<v Speaker 3>you know, his teenage girlfriend from twenty years ago. And

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<v Speaker 3>as he gets further into the investigation, it's it leads

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<v Speaker 3>he starts discovering a theory, that evidence that leads back

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<v Speaker 3>to the president of the elect of the United States

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<v Speaker 3>as being the person who perpetrated or conspired to do

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<v Speaker 3>the way pregnancy. Yeah, and it's this race against time

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<v Speaker 3>because it starts out he's just he's you know, put

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<v Speaker 3>quick quote, he's he is just the nominee or is

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<v Speaker 3>about to become the nomination.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well, what you just told me is not only thrilling,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Any of that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not out of the real possibility. And one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things why I personally think that this book was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of meant to be is I first conceived and

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<v Speaker 3>write the book, but he conceive of the concept and

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<v Speaker 3>wrote a bit about it, you know, before even Trump won,

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<v Speaker 3>before anyone had ever you know, talked seriously about indicting

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<v Speaker 3>a president or a former president or president to be

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<v Speaker 3>and then you know, through the years, as I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>back to this. These things are happening, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>it's interesting. I mean the book I finished writing it

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years ago, but the editing process, finding

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<v Speaker 3>an agent, the agent, shopping to a publisher, that takes

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<v Speaker 3>years in of itself, believe it or not. And I

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<v Speaker 3>just look at the things that happened in the last year,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, tragically, you know, the Nancy gunthree case. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's elements of of you know, that sort of thing

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<v Speaker 3>in this book that the Eric Slowell you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>know you have this is you know, philandering politician. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of things. Again, work of fiction, no question,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's a lot of things that themes in the

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<v Speaker 3>book that are kind of like very of the moment

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<v Speaker 3>over the last months and years. So in fact, there

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<v Speaker 3>was some push to, you know, change the name of

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<v Speaker 3>the book from Tuxedo Park to Indictment, because I would

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<v Speaker 3>just jump off the page. Trump wasn't died in all that,

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<v Speaker 1>You won the battle Tuxedo Park. Behind every great candidate

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<v Speaker 1>is a greater cover up by my dear friend, the

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<v Speaker 1>amazing attorney Thomas. Can it be kind of just glossed over?

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<v Speaker 1>You dedicated the book to your mother. I love your

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<v Speaker 3>I love him, George. Yeah, he's the best. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>I saw in him recently at Bobby Hartman's count tournament

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<v Speaker 3>From the Penny Galley. Yes, I thought, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's a wonderful guy, your father in law, George.

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<v Speaker 1>But you did dedicate this book to your mom.

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<v Speaker 3>What's that all about? The next one will be my

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<v Speaker 3>young assistant DA working for Jeanine. It was it was

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<v Speaker 3>way too early. I mean, I know, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, she gave me opportunities that she never

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<v Speaker 3>be doing anything I'm doing. It certainly wouldn't be this

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<v Speaker 3>So I had it dedicated to her memory. And uh,

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<v Speaker 3>like I said, I next next time, we'll get the

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<v Speaker 1>Georgian and how can people buy Tuxedo Park today on Amazon?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it available now?

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<v Speaker 3>Not only is it available, but it's in pre sales

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<v Speaker 3>right now. The official publishing date is August eighteenth, so

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<v Speaker 3>if you go board order it now because pre sales

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<v Speaker 3>are a big thing, you get free shipping and you

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<v Speaker 3>get twenty five percent off because it's pre sales. So

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<v Speaker 3>you can go to Amazon dot com Tuxedo Park Thomas Kinness.

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<v Speaker 3>But we also have a website Tuxedo parkbook dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>You can go on there. It'll link you right to

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon or you know, Target or Warmot or Simon and

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<v Speaker 3>Schusterbornes Nobile, wherever you want to buy it. Although Amazon

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<v Speaker 3>I think is the best place because it helps your

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right, you know last one, and this

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<v Speaker 1>both people. But I think you like one and you

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<v Speaker 1>love the other one. I know you like President Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you do. But you love Janeine Piro, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you were her assistant and you know it

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<v Speaker 1>to Daniel Penny trial. She was there all the time

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<v Speaker 1>she celebrated with you guys on Stone Street after Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Penny was acquitted. She was there the whole way, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's been there really the whole way most of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>When the President came down pretty hard on her a

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<v Speaker 1>So you know that Jannine Pierro must have been very

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<v Speaker 1>upset because like me, and she loves in adoors President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>When you heard that Trump said that about Pierro, what

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't like hearing it because you know, of

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<v Speaker 3>course I have the greatest admiration for President Trump. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know him personally like you do, but I think that,

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I also from what I know of his personality, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he can be mercurial, but he a lot of times

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<v Speaker 3>he says things and he doesn't really mean it, and

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't doesn't hold a grudge, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>the time he means it, but he never holds He

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<v Speaker 1>snaps back very very quickly doesn't hold the graduation. He

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<v Speaker 1>also hammered Bobby Kennedy last week, and that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not forget right. And I'm hoping, you know, like you

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<v Speaker 3>said exactly, that he snaps back, because I do. I

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<v Speaker 3>have a very personal relationship with Janine, but that's not

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<v Speaker 3>what's motivating me to say any of this, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>just reality. He is blessed to have her in d C.

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<v Speaker 3>She's turned that city around. There is no one, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, with all due respect to to Todd Blanch

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<v Speaker 3>who you know, I've also known, and many other people,

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<v Speaker 3>as far as I'm concerned, there is no one better

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<v Speaker 3>in the entire Justice Department than Janine Pierro. And the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that you know, you want to talk about selfless service.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if you offered me the position of, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>US attorney for d C, I wow, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 3>and the pay would be hard to get by on,

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<v Speaker 3>what she's done, she's one of the you know, first

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<v Speaker 3>elected district attorneys in the country. She's was a New

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<v Speaker 3>York State Supreme Court judge. She had this you know,

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<v Speaker 3>television career, plenty of money, and you know that that

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<v Speaker 3>came with her success, rightfully so. And at this stage

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<v Speaker 3>front of a television camera on a set in Manhattan

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<v Speaker 3>to go down to disrupt her life, to go to

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<v Speaker 3>to do that job. You know, she she's got she

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<v Speaker 3>can't trust anyone down there. And I've had these conversations

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<v Speaker 3>know this, of course, and you know it's just absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>she did it selflessly. It's actually she you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>know from conversation her entire salary goes to taking an

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<v Speaker 3>she doesn't need in New Yorker, and her commuting clause,

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<v Speaker 3>so she is basically working. You know, she's basically doing this,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as a volunteer almost at you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>love of country. So you know, and the other thing

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just add real quickly is, you know, prosecutors, the

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<v Speaker 3>the person did it, it's whether we can prove this

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<v Speaker 3>beyond a reasonable doubt. I mean, do you know how

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<v Speaker 3>many instances I've had in my time as a prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 3>All the other attorneys you named Idala so for the Tacopeda,

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<v Speaker 3>assistant district attorney's at one point in our career where

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<v Speaker 3>I've had a case and I said, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>But I can't prove it because I don't have this

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't have that. And you're obligated. You're ethically obligated,

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<v Speaker 3>you legally, you've obligated at that point to say, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it sucks, but I got to walk away from it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, And if that's what happened here, and it

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<v Speaker 3>probably is, you know, Janine's hands were tied. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>my point is I hate seeing it. I know Janine

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<v Speaker 3>is a is a tough gal with skin and you

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<v Speaker 3>know she can handle, you know, the criticism, But I

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<v Speaker 3>hope it blows over, you know, for the good of everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>for the country, really and certainly for the people in

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<v Speaker 3>DCA because they need her.

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<v Speaker 2>Me too. I love her too, love her, Deshbert Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeanine Piro.

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<v Speaker 1>The book is Tuxedo Park, folks. Behind every great candidate

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<v Speaker 1>is a greater cover up, and behind every great book

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<v Speaker 1>is a great author.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's my friend, The Amazing Attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Kenniff. Thomas, good luck. It looks great. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the movie's going to be great too. You gotta want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear again, Thomas, congratulations.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me on. I hope everybody checks it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Tuxedo Park.

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<v Speaker 2>We will do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care, Tom, Tom Kinip right there, the Amazing Attorney.

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