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Speaker 1: At Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for

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tonight's special Saturday night episode of dog Man Encounters Radio.

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Really appreciate you being here. If I sound like I'm

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slightly compromised, just because I am, I'm under the weather here.

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I was hoping i'd feel better tonight than I felt yesterday,

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but I actually feel even worse. But the show must

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go on, so I'm still glad to be here. Before

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what we bring on tonight's guests, though, I've got some

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information and an update I want to share with you,

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an important one at that, and it's one of those

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updates I really hate to give. If you've noticed that

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episodes five point thirty four and five forty three are missing,

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well you're not crazy. It's not just you. They are.

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I took them down. Those are the episodes where Cody

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came on and talked about the female, the alleged female

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dog woman that was supposedly hanging around his property, the

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one he called Sasha well about. I can't really remember

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exactly how long it's been, but there was someone who

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left a comment that said that they had seen those

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sketches on a Deviant art page I believe it was,

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and that the guy was a sham. Well, I see

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comments like that coming in all the time, where people

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are just making up comments like that. Well, not too

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long after that comment, I guess it was about a

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week after that comment was left, there was a message.

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I received an email that I received from a lady

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who told me that that was the artwork that Cody

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had claimed to be his own and that I had

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posted on those two episodes. She notified me that those

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were or told me I should say that those were

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actually her sketches that she created, and gave me a

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link to her website, which can be found at e

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is an Earl h is and Henry Ellis and Larry

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dot com, e h L b e e dot com.

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I went to that website and if you visit the

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normal desktop version of that website, if you click on

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where it says concept art and then click on where

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it says were wolves, boom, a page pops up where

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every sketch that could he claimed to have created is

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right there on website. If you are using your phone,

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if you just go to eh lb ee dot com,

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I think if I remember right, if you click on

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the menu in the upright hand corner. Then there's gonna

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be a Werewolve's option. Click on that, and some of

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those sketches that you see are going to ring some

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bells and be pretty familiar. Well, needless to say, I'm

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more than disappointed in that. I mean, unfortunately, there are

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people that will lie to get attention for various reasons.

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Some people are just miserable in their lives and they

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see it as release if they get the chance to

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lie about something that brings them a lot of attention.

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I don't know why Code did that, but I'm really

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disappointed that he made up these lies about Sasha. I

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really am. I do the best I can to only

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bring true stories about encounters to you bona fide dogman eyewitnesses.

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But yeah, unfortunately, know it's perfect. There have been guests

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in the past where I've kind of been, well more

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than kind of, I've been skeptical about whether they were

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telling the truth. But when I began, when I started

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doing this ten years ago, I made a promise to myself,

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I would much rather play the fool the way I

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am tonight. Because of Cody's lies, I would much rather

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play the fool and bring someone on the show who

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is lying the way onto the show than to turn

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someone around at the door who actually is a bonafide

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dogman eyewitness. But due to how they delivered the story

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to me, due to how they did whatever, I mistakenly

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thought that they were lying about their encounter. Again, I

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would much rather play the fool and bring someone like

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Cody on who's just trying to lie their way onto

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the show, then to turn a bonifid eyewitness around. That's

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why things like this do happen from time to time.

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So yeah, I just wanted to bring this to your attention,

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full disclosure. I think it would be wrong if I

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found out that he was lying, or anyone was lying,

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and I didn't. I took the episodes down and I

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didn't come forward and admit my mistake. Unfortunate mistake. Anyway,

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let's move on to business for tonight. Tonight's guest is James.

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Let's bring him in here now. James, thanks so much

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for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Hi, how you doing well?

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Speaker 1: I've been doing better than I am right now, but

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I mean it could still be worse. How about yourself?

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Speaker 2: Huh? Knowing pretty good, Just a little bit nervous about

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knowing this, but well, that's how to get out there.

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Speaker 1: That's natural. Like I told you before, I've had guests

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come on the show who have their own podcasts and

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they were so nervous. I swear I could hear them vibrating.

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They were so nervous shaken in the background. So yeah,

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that's just a normal part of this. This doesn't make

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you any different from most people. It really doesn't. But yeah,

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having said that, please give us a brief bio on yourself. Jeans.

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Speaker 2: I'm forty four years old, work at a semi truck

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plant here in Virginia. I've been married to my beautiful

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wife for six years. We've been together eight years. I

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love video games. I'm a musician and love to fish.

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Never really been a big hunter, but would go out

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and just lazy old country boy likes to sit at

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home and chill, cut watch my sports on Sundays, and

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get up go to work next day. That's pretty much

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about it.

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Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that at all. If any of you

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listening or wondering if James actually is as nice as

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he seems, well yeah, I can tell you that he is.

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We had a good talk and yeah, this guy's salt

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of the Earth type material. He's a really good guy.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: But before we move on, James, I want to put

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something out there. We've got a guest in the live chat,

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Jessica Jones aka The Cryptid Huntress. She's a really nice

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lady who's got her own YouTube channel for her podcast,

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and she is going to be going live. She's gonna

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err a live stream tonight at ten pm Eastern Time.

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So if you like cryptids and ghosts another paranormal content,

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highly recommend you check her show out. She's, like I said,

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Salt of the Earth, and again her show is called

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The Cryptid Huntress, so we hope you'll check that out.

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Speaker 2: But moving forward, following her, I follow her on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: She's got a great show, Yes she does. She really. Yeah,

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have no doubt about that. Well, James, from what I understand,

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you listen to an episode of the show where the

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guests gave enough details about where he lives where alarm

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bells started going off. Please expand on that for us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, how does that work? One night just listening to

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the show, and then I started hearing him. Because I

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don't know if I should use his name.

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Speaker 1: Or not, probably best to keep him anonymous.

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Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, because I don't want to bring up

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any bad memories for him. It just started going off

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and I was like, hm, this sounds familiar. This okay,

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And then I start listening more. Oh wow, and it

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just everything just started clicking, from the eyes to pretty

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much the size of this thing. Of course, the way

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our cameras happened was completely different. And his a calendar

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is close where I live at. Mine was about two

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and a half hours way in the state. But still

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at the same time, it was just wow, now this

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is starting to make sense and kind of okay, Okay,

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I've brushed this off for twenty years. Now it's starting

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and putting pieces together. And then I talked to you

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and explained to you it's like, huh wow, and it

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just and then I started doing my own research as well,

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and it's, uh, how to put it creepy the best

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way to put.

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Speaker 1: It, Yeah, that is a good way to put it. Now,

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once you'd have to go through things like that, like

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what you did and other eyewitnesses have, that's for sure.

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You're freaked out by something Manti said. If I remember correctly,

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please tell us the story behind that.

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Speaker 2: Where he lived at in the county where he lived in.

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Of course I live in the next county over. Uh.

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I had family now called him family. My cousin lived

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with them. We all grew up together, just all little

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country boys and country girls. And where he lived at

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were just about two miles three miles down from the

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road that you would go to get to his house,

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and we ran around those fields. We played in dumb

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parts of the foothills of the mountains. And when I

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heard his enchanter, it just kind of wow, here we

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are down here doing this, and then this is out

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here running around and it just kind of just kind

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of creeped me out because you know, it's pitch black

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out there, yeah here country, and because there's nothing scarier

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than being in the dark with no light because you

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hear the slightest noise, What is that? What's this? Whether

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you're the ten foot tall and bullet proof type, that

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doesn't matter, you're still going to be scared because you

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don't know what's out there and here and that it

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just wow, here we all out there playing, having fun,

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just running around, even after we got older, doing stuff

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that we shouldn't been knowing. And it's like, uh huh, great,

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that's nice know that was out there. Yeah, Bob cat Bear, okay,

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but here, you know, wow, that's that kind of really

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hit home.

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Speaker 3: It was like, wow, that's just it's it's crazy to

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hear something like that and it's right there.

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Speaker 2: You know. Luckily we never seen nothing, never had any

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problems or anything like that, and unfortunately he did. My

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heart goes out to him, and that just one of

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those things. You you could be on this side of

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the fire and not get burned, but the next person

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on the other side can. And it's just a shame

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that he had to experience that. And I didn't experience

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that there, but I did experience something which we'll get

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to here in a little bit, and ugh, just makes

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the skin crawl thinking about that. Just wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand why it would make your skin crawl.

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It's one thing to have an experience and feel like

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it's just a one off, But when you find out

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that someone's had an encounter just on the other side

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of the mountain from where you live, well, that really

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does send a cold ship shiver down your spine.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, yeah, And it's you know, it's like, wow,

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looks like right, you know, I just started to laugh

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in just because I make myself feel better, and like, ah,

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you know, try not to make a bad subject sound so,

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you know, try to make it a little bit lighter

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than what it is. But it's not because it's a

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horrible subject when you think about it, and it's just

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horrible when you have one of these encounters and you

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just try to do what you can to push forward.

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That's like, I mean, you talk, that's why for twenty

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years I kind of which we'll get into that here

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in a little bit, but yeah, after hearing his story

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and putting things together, Okay, okay, okay, I'm not crazy.

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I'm not crazy. This is what I saw.

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Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, Yeah, you're not crazy. You did

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see what you saw. But there's a good twist of that,

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the fact that Monty had his encounter just on the

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other side of the mountain from you, and then of

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course you had the encounter on your side. But like

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you said, you've been out fishing and hunting and just

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doing all sorts of things, but you have yet to

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have a single scratch put on you by a dog

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man in the area. You've never had a single hair

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in your head harmed. So what does that tell you?

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They've had plenty of opportunities, but they still haven't actually

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done that to you. So that should be a positive

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thing in your opinion.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, it definitely is definitely is it just? I do? Only?

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It kind of makes me just I'm wanting how to

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put it one of the lucky ones. And but when

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we get into the counter, everyone's gonna be like, what

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after you that lucky?

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Speaker 1: It's like where, Well, I'd rather be lucky than good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And do I want to run into another one? No? No, no, no,

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no no no, I do not want to see another one.

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I what I saw was good enough done, and I

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don't want know.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that doesn't make any different from any other eyewitness.

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I can understand why you'd feel that way. We've been

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alluding to your encounter. Let's get down to brass tax now.

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Please tell us all about that encounter, now, James, and

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: All right. Me and a friend we went to a

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football game in Washington, DC in November two thousand and five,

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and I went up our watched my favorite team come

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to Washington to play, had fun left. Unfortunately, we didn't

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know Baltimore had a game to you that night. So

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we're stuck on Beltway, you know, which was kind of

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nice because you know it was like, oh, check it out,

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there's Washington Monument. You know, We're enjoying the scenery going

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around the Beltway. Finally it was like, I'm not dealing

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with this traffic. We're getting off of this exit and

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we're going to take the Civil War trails and it

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might be a little bit quicker. He was like okay,

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And I was like, I've been down these roads before.

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So we're traveling and going down these roads and listening

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to music, you know, talking about the game, how much

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fun we had, and we stop get something to eat,

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the hold nine yards, just enjoying it. He's off that Monday.

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I'm off that Monday, so we wasn't really worried about

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getting back at a decent time. Well, we uh, coming

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down through it's pitch black, but you know, with my

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bride's on, you could see you know, the horse farms,

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the cattle farms, everything, and all of a sudden he's like,

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what is that. I'm like what He's like that up ahead?

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What I'm walked he's like, look at the fence line.

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What is that up ahead? I oh, man, it's probably

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a cow, you know, we're a horse or something. We

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get closer, we get closer, he's like that things eat

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whatever it is it's eating something like now it's not.

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It's probably eating grass. And then as soon as we

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start getting closer, we start seeing the outline of this

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thing being on all fours. I'm what, I think that's

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a cougar. He's like, oh, that's awful, big cougar. And

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then as soon as we rolled up, pretty much as

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we was rolling up to it, it turned around kind

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of looked when we seen the eye shine or it

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was like this yellowish amber color. Okay, we're not thinking

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nothing about that. We're still looking at the size of

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this thing. And we get up closer. We get up

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and it turned its head. We get up closer, We

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get up closer. Finally, all right, we almost come to

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a complete stop. As we're getting ready to come to

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a complete stop to see what this is, when it

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lifted its head up, it almost had the head of it.

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I mean, it looked like a hyaena's pretty much by

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the muzzle and the way ears was and you could

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tell it was eaten because whatever was in its mouth

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was still hanging out of its jaws. Just what little

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bit we saw. And then as soon as it started

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to rise up, best description is on your Facebook page,

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how you kind of have the creature kind of in

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a crouch mode. Now, picture that rising up, like who

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are you? And when I locked eyes with that thing

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and I'm in the driver's see, He's like, what is that?

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And all of a sudden I stepped on the gas

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and we was gone. I was like, that was a cougar.

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That was a cougar. That was a coogar, And why

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I haven't had no trust still still creeps me out,

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especially after having hearing everything and we're still going down

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the road. He was like, what what it was a cougar.

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I keep telling him it's a cougar. He knew it

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wasn't a cougar, but I'm planing in my mine. It

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was a cougar. It was a cougar. That is what

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we saw. And that's pretty much what I did for

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twenty years, and it just terrifying. By Luckily I was

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able to brush it off, never think about it. And

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then soon as I started listening to Wait a minute,

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Wait a minute, this that the owner. And then that's

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when I reached out to you, Hey, what do you

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think so that that was pretty much the encounter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I told you. Oh, I'm sorry, please continue.

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Speaker 2: Oh now you're fine, You're fine, go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well, like I told you, what do I think? I

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think cougar is donn have heads that look like hyaenas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't stand about seven feet tall when they

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stand up. Of course, the one that you saw, you say,

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it never did fully stand up when you're looking at it.

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But when I asked you how tall you thought it

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might have been when it did stand all the way up,

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that's when you said, probably about seven feet or so.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that would be about the scripture. Yeah, that's I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, excuse me, please continue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was just the best way I

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can describe it, you know, calls. Uh, Yeah, like I said,

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there was a heel side there by that fence, which

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I'm sorry I forgot to tell about the fence, but uh,

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there was like a hillside with a fence where we

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sawid at eating. I'm sorry I left that out. Nobody

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gets mad about that.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, you're amongst friends here. Don't worry about that.

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Speaker 2: But uh so I would be an estimated guess about

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at least seven if it stood all the way up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a safe bet to see that you don't

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have any melanistics. Seven foot tall mountain lions when they

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stand on their back feet, that is, are hanging around

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there with heads that are sheeped like a hyena. So yeah,

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the options of what that could be are pretty during slim.

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Speaker 2: And then even the blackbirds here they even standing on

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their hind legs. I don't even think they get seven

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feet and plus their muscles are longer too than a

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hamas is. I think I could be wrong about that,

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so don't quote me that I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: No, you're right, Yeah, they are a little bit longer.

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They are what made you decide to finally come forward

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and accept what you saw after twenty.

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Speaker 2: Years, James, pretty much after just researching because where I

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had got into cryptics, and of course also to two

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thousand and five, I had never heard of dog Man,

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and just researching and enjoying the subject, loving to talk

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to people people bringing it up, and then some somehow

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I stumbled a pass upon your show, which was a

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great thing because I love listening to it. And uh

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then I started hearing a lot of people's and cameras

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on your show. I'm like, huh. Then I start thinking back,

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uh huh uh huh, Okay, maybe I'm not crazy, baby,

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I did see what I see And then that's when

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I finally decided, I'm gonna reach out to you, tell

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you what I think I saw, and if you get

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back to me, maybe you okay, yeah, you seen the

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cougar or him could have been a black bear. Yeah,

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because I was acclaiming that's what I saw. But after

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let me, after hearing everything, let me get back in

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touch with him. We're get in touch with you. I'm sorry.

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And when you got back in touch with me, and

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then when we talked, it was like, oh, okay, then

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I'm not crazy. So that's pretty much what made me

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want to come out of I guess you could say

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my shell and start talking about it, because after I

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kind of okay, I will want to know what I saw.

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If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, if I'm not okay, I'm

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not crazy then. So that's pretty much why I finally

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decided to come out and talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, as you know, We're glad you did decide to

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do that. And if I remember correctly, there is something

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about its eyes that kind of threw you for a loop.

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Speaker 2: Yes, uh about the eye shine. Now, of course every

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animal the eye shine on it happens when it hits

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their eyes. Now. Of course, when we saw, you know,

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when we first started seeing it, and it kind of

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looked you see the eye shine. And Thursday night after work,

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this is when it really started hitting me, and it

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kind of freaked me out because I can't get rid

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of the eyes. Is the car was past it, the

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headlights were past it, and I'm looking at this thing

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in the driver's seat looking out the passion your window.

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It's complete black, pitch black outside, no other lights, just

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the lights from the car. And like I said, we're

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in the chrismer pt Cruiser. How am I able to

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see those yellowish amber looking eyes staring right back at me?

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After I don't see the head of it. And then

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as we're slowing down and I must completely come to

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the stop, and then those eyes are still glowing like

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eyeshine looking at me. That has after it dawned on me,

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I'm like, oh wow, And I think I've heard of

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reports of their eyes glowing, And I don't know how

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to explain that. Just after that kind of dawned on me,

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it kind of, eh, that's kind of creeked me out.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that'd creep anyone out of interest. The road

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that you were on at the time when you had

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that sighting, you told me that it had been built

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on top of an old Civil War tril. Do you

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happen to know what the name of that old Civil

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War tril?

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Speaker 2: Was? Not exactly the name of the road, but I

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do know it was Route fifteen because, uh, we had

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got off in the Woodbridge area in northern Virginia and

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pick a back road, hit Route three, which goes through

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Chancellorsville Battlefield and Spotsylvania, and then we hit fifteen so

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we could go down onto Charlottesville. And of course there

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was all kinds of little skirmishes and everything, but round

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fifteen and little roads all around. There was trails that

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they would use to carry ammunition, marching troops and everything.

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But that was the route road that we was on,

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so that way we can get the I sixty four.

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And believe me, after we've seen that, he was like,

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I'm not waiting around boom. I have never I don't

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think I let off the gas until we hit Eye

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eighty one off of sixty four. I mean, I was

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a gone. I just wanted to tell my buddy, you

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want to get out, and look, you got right ahead.

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Don't mess with that cougar. Of course we don't think

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it was a cougar. Now. Route fifteen was the route

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that we was on.

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Speaker 1: I knew that municipalities have built hiking paths and other

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things like that on top of old railroad tracks. Well,

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of course they pulled up the tracks and where the

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tracks went through, that's where they built the trails and everything.

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But I never really knew that they actually built roads

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on top of Civil War trails. So that was news

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to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not exactly on the trail. What I meant

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by the trail was take the roads and you can

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go to visit the battlefields. But some of them were

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actual like wagon trails, or it's just a road that

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they built too so you can get to them to

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the battlefields and stuff. It's uh, which Route three is

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the more famous one because of Chancellorville and then Route fifteen.

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I think the actual trail was more the actual civil

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Civil war trail was more off of that road, and

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they have it Basically you could take it and go

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to one of the sites, but you got to get

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off of it. But it was also one of those

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they had built back in the old days that can

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be traveled. Of course, I could now I could be wrong,

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but I know there was a lot of scur the

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shoes and everything, and a lot of ammunition from Union

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and Confederate was traveled up that area. Because it's, how

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to put it, perfect ambush slash easy access because you're

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in between the mountains, so you don't look for that,

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and then you do, you look for it if you

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get what I'm saying. Of course, now it's easy access

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with technology that we had to drive through there. Back

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then it wouldn't have been.

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Speaker 1: He has much easier to do now than back in

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the olden days, that's for sure. How did your buddy

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handle that encounter? Did you have more trouble with it

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than he did or vice versa.

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Speaker 2: He he kind of did the same thing. He knew

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what he saw, and I was the one that blowed

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it off, and he would bring it up and I

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would just no, no, no, you saw the cougar. Let's

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not talk about it anymore, And finally he just stopped

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and we never talked about it again. That was pretty

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much about it. But he knew what he saw and

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he was trying to tell me, and I was the

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one who would not believe what we saw. So and

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as far as I know, it never bothered It never

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bothered him, and it never bothered me. But of course,

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if I was to talk to him, well, you was right,

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that wasn't the cougar, even though it took twenty years

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to figure this out, So it never bothered him that

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I know of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you guys didn't talk about it any more

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after that one time, then it's hard to say he

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might have had a lot more trouble with it than

472
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,280
you ever found out. But yeah, I guess we're never

473
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,400
going to know the answer to that question. People are different,

474
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,400
They respond in different ways to experiences. Do you think

475
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,960
that in your keys the fact that you after that

476
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,039
one conversation that was it, you never talked about it again.

477
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,639
Was that a good thing when it came to you

478
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,960
dealing with that experience or was it a bad thing?

479
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:55,599
Speaker 2: Ah? In all honesty, I want to say, I guess

480
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:59,239
the way it was brushed off. I want to say

481
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,840
it was a good time just because I was able

482
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:13,360
to live my life and go on and not worry

483
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:26,960
about anything. But as of now, mm hmm, it's kind

484
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:36,400
of bothersome but not bad. Just to me. I'm trying

485
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,239
to take it as it's one of those things because

486
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:45,719
it happened so long ago. Now, if it happened yesterday

487
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,079
be a different story. Yeah, I would probably have to

488
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:53,760
go to the storm, but it depends.

489
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you did have to do that, I'd be

490
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,079
understanding of what would it really would I'm kind of

491
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,840
mixed on this. I normally get a pretty good beat

492
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,559
on an eyewitnesses feelings about their experiences after having the

493
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:14,719
amount of conversations, the amount of time that we spent

494
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,519
talking about that encounter. But with you, I'm not really

495
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,039
sure where you stand. Are you able to head into

496
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:23,119
the woods and not be compromised or when you do

497
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,400
go in, is it kind of a problem for you?

498
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:33,119
Speaker 2: Uh? No. Every time I've gone into the mountains to

499
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:39,760
do my trout fishing or anything little game the hunting,

500
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,840
it's never bothered me. Now, I will say there has

501
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,360
been times where you're just or I'm like, man, I

502
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:58,239
feel like something, somebody's watching me or something. I guess

503
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,440
just where I've blocked it out for so many years

504
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,639
and not let it really bother me and just moved

505
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:11,559
on with my life. I guess that's why I'm able

506
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:19,719
to still go out and trout fish, still go out

507
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,840
in the woods and little small game hunting. I guess

508
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,599
that's why. But there has been times that I'm like,

509
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,079
I feel like something's watching me. Looking around, don't see nothing,

510
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,119
That don't mean anything. But I've had that experience, but

511
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:44,079
it ain't never bothered me.

512
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: Well, that's good. I'm so glad to hear that you

513
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,000
are able to head back into the woods and do

514
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:54,559
whatever you like to do without being compromised. That definitely

515
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:59,320
beats the alternative. When you were driving past that dog man, though,

516
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,800
did you ever get any vibes from it that made

517
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,800
you think that it might have had some special qualities

518
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,280
or abilities that were above and beyond what a normal

519
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,679
flesh and blood creature would have.

520
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: Well, and here're that big what we seen. I think

521
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,719
if it really wanted to stand up and jump over

522
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,320
that fence, which about the way, if I didn't mention

523
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,320
that there was a fence for the listener a little

524
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:40,039
wooden fence, but just did standing up, starting to stand up.

525
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:47,079
If that thing really wanted to go to the car

526
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:52,679
and get us, it could have. That's why I stepped

527
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,920
on it and was like that, I'm not working around

528
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,599
and see what this thing looks like. Even more, we're

529
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:06,039
gone calls. I forgot to say that how close we was.

530
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:12,280
We was about anywhere between four to six feet away

531
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:18,599
from it, and it was behind a fence. And that thing,

532
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,639
if it really what we saw as big as it

533
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,760
was to sell wet, if it really wanted to pounce

534
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,639
and jump on us, it would destroy that little car

535
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:46,239
in no time. But it was just because the look

536
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,519
of it when it raised its head looking at it

537
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:56,960
says like I'm eating you. Better go wall And that's

538
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,480
what we did. But if early long today something and

539
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,599
Nick could have done some damage, that's for sure.

540
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure it could have. Yeah, I don't doubt

541
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,679
that at all. Before we move on, I just want

542
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,159
to thank Robert Wolf and Lily Lewis. Both of them

543
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,440
gave donations to the show. I really appreciate it. Like

544
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,119
I've said before, though, guys, is offully nice of you

545
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,280
to do that and support the show. But I mean,

546
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,519
I'm paying my bills. If you could just maybe save

547
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,400
your money and just focus on trying to be maybe

548
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:34,440
that much more supportive of the eyewitnesses the guests on

549
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,400
the show, that'd be the best payment I could possibly have.

550
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,159
So again, thank you so much for your donations, but

551
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:42,880
you really don't need to do that. If you, just,

552
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,159
like I said, focus on supporting the guests, that'd be

553
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:50,760
the best payment that there is. Well, let's transition over

554
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,320
to asking some of the questions that the guests have

555
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,360
for you. Here, James. The first one up is from

556
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:06,039
Glenn Camada. Whoops, give me a second here, Thank goodness

557
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,320
for mute buttons here.

558
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: All right.

559
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: The first question up is from Glenn Kimada, and his

560
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:18,760
question is did you see a tail?

561
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:26,199
Speaker 2: No? I did not. I wish I could have. Well,

562
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,000
I wish I could have seen more, but as dark

563
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:35,679
as it was, you really couldn't make it. We can

564
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:40,159
see to see a way, but I don't remember seeing

565
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:46,440
the tail, So I'm sorry the answer that way, But

566
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:48,760
I did not see a tail. If there was one,

567
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,880
I did not see it.

568
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no need to apologize. You had so much

569
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,000
going through your mind. You never expected to see the

570
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,639
thing right there, and when you did see the thing,

571
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:02,079
it shocked you so much. Looking for little details like that,

572
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:04,519
that'd be the last thing on your mind. So that's

573
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:13,119
totally expected and understandable. The next question is from Ryan M.

574
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,119
And Ryan's question is did it react to the vehicle

575
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:16,920
driving by it?

576
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: All? It did as we was coming down the road,

577
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:27,519
and when my buddy first spotted it, it was almost

578
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,840
like it was I guess the best way to say

579
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,679
it's like it been tamed. I'm not saying it was tamed.

580
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,079
It was just like, okay, here's a vehicle, went back

581
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,159
to eating. And then as we slowed down to get

582
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:47,960
a closer look at what we thought was a cougar.

583
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:56,079
Of course it was not. And this thing just like okay,

584
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:59,760
here I am, I'm eating, now go before I fully

585
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:05,440
end up. Uh, it was just calm, like it had

586
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:11,800
been around vehicles. Most wild animals like a bear or

587
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:18,599
bob cat, cougar, felled deers or calm, a cozy they'll

588
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:23,800
just run right into you they Uh. This one just

589
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,559
this thing just was like it was normal, like a

590
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,840
person on the side of the road. Okay, there's a car, Okay,

591
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:40,159
like it didn't matter. It didn't act like it was

592
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:47,719
scared at all. Yeah, I'm sure. Well, yeah, when you're

593
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,239
at big unlus, you're eating hi.

594
00:48:53,639 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, these things don't fear much at all. So it

595
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,719
doesn't surprise me that it wasn't afraid of you. It

596
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,159
really didn't have anything to fear exactly.

597
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:13,199
Speaker 2: I mean when you're that big. Yeah. Here in Virginia,

598
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:18,639
the biggest urditor that we got is a black bear.

599
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,119
They say cougars don't exist, but they're here. But still

600
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:27,960
a black bear is big, but they'll run even if

601
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,280
you clap your hands at them. So this thing was

602
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,480
not scared at all.

603
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:41,039
Speaker 1: That fits, that's how it normally goes. It looks like

604
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,920
Polski Ogorki has. The next question, they want to know

605
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,360
if there was any noticeable odor from that dog man.

606
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:57,199
Speaker 2: Uh No, because it was in November and it was

607
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,880
actually pretty cold that day, not as cold as it

608
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,559
has been here on the East Coast, and we had

609
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,760
the wind as up. But we didn't smell any kind

610
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:16,360
of odor anything like that. If we did, we'd probably

611
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:22,159
summed it off to horsepoop or cow poop. Just growing

612
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,559
up in the country, that's probably what we would have

613
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:31,199
thought if we would have smelled something, or I've been

614
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,800
down the Savannah and I've smelled the paper mills down there,

615
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,719
the soul from smell, but there was nothing like that.

616
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,760
So now there was no smell.

617
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: Considering the fact that you were in the car and

618
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000
moving past like that, I highly doubted that you smelled

619
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:56,079
it at all. But sometimes the stench is so strong

620
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:59,400
you can actually smell it through house walls and inside

621
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,280
of a car with the windows up still, so you

622
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,559
never know. It's a good question.

623
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, definitely, definitely, But now we didn't smell nothing.

624
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:16,360
If we did, I don't remember, I really don't. But

625
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:19,519
as far as I know, I don't remember any kind

626
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:26,559
of smell at all. Sorry, I'm sorry to answer your

627
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:27,960
question that way, Bud.

628
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: Oh, don't apologize. We just want the truth. I don't

629
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,400
think you did smell anything, because if you did, with

630
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,519
the way these guys smell when they decided to project

631
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,639
that stench, you'd remember it. So that's why I'm pretty

632
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,039
darn sure you didn't smell anything that night. It looks

633
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,880
like Andres Carisale says the next question, Andres wants to know,

634
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,280
why do you bury your experience so deeply. Was there

635
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,440
a story about the mountain or the usual stigma about

636
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,880
seeing unknown creatures.

637
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I Well, the reason I buried

638
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,760
it for so long was because I was not sure

639
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:19,360
of what I saw, and I brushed it off as

640
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:29,880
a cougar sighted So that's why I just I brushed

641
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:38,480
it off, didn't letting nothing bother me. And then when

642
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:44,360
I started researching into cryptics, here was a later. I

643
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:50,159
was twenty five at the time of this experience and

644
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:55,639
I'm forty four now, and I just brushed everything off.

645
00:52:55,679 --> 00:53:00,119
And then after, like I said, started researching cryptics and

646
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:11,119
into everything, and I started hearing everybody else's experiences. Huh.

647
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:18,960
So I contacted vic you know, just ask questions, you know,

648
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:27,199
and it just started. Finally it was like a snowfall.

649
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:35,599
Oh wow, okay, okay, wow, this is okay, this is

650
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:41,320
what I saw. But that's why I brushed it off

651
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,000
for so long, because one, I didn't know what doll

652
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:52,079
Man was. Two I just brushed it off as a

653
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:56,079
cougar experience because they say there is no cougars in

654
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:04,000
Virginia and they are. So that's just what I did.

655
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:07,519
I just brushed it off like there was like it

656
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:14,760
was nothing, and now I'm just coming out talking about

657
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:21,480
it and basically getting answers, and I'm really glad the

658
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:24,400
community is asking me these questions so I could try

659
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,800
to answer them the best I can. Let y'all, Nay,

660
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:35,800
it wasn't that I'm I was terrified or anything like that.

661
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,239
It's just I brushed it off for so long. Then

662
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,480
finally I won't answers and that's when I got a

663
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,360
older VIC, and VIC suggested this, and this is where

664
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,639
we're at now. Hopefully I answered your question.

665
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good answer for it. The next

666
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:01,960
one up is from Cletching, not Nilu, and they want

667
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,480
to know, James, have you ever used a wigi board?

668
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:10,480
And also what kind of video games do you play? Well,

669
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:13,559
I'm sorry, he also wants to know. The full question

670
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,320
is have you ever played with a wigi board or

671
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,639
had any paranormal experiences? Also what kind of video games

672
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:22,880
do you play?

673
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 2: H And I'll honesty, I've never used a wigi board,

674
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:44,880
but I have been around and seen some things in

675
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:55,800
parallemal things which I really don't feel comfortable about talking about,

676
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:03,480
which I'm not meaning that to be mean. It's just

677
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:11,400
some things people are comfortable about. Some people ain't, and

678
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:14,639
I'm just not ready to talk about that. But as

679
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:20,920
far as video games go, I love all the final fantasies.

680
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:28,679
I love the legend of Zelda games, pretty much any

681
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:35,519
kind of RPG, football, baseball, sports games, anything like that,

682
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,239
it doesn't matter. I'll give it a try. If it's

683
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,599
on PS five, PS four, PS three, PS one, I'll

684
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:46,960
play it. I'll give it, I'll try. But as far

685
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:55,760
as the paranormal experience, I'm not really ready to I've

686
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,360
had experience, and I just don't really want to talk

687
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:04,280
about that right now, not yet. But I will keep

688
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:10,199
you in mind and let you know when I'm ready

689
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,079
to talk about that.

690
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: There's never any pressure to talk about anything that you're

691
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,679
not prepared to talk about it in any given time,

692
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,480
So yeah, please take your time. This next question up

693
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:25,480
is from Jove's Joyce Stone. She was featured on the

694
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:27,719
show where she talked about that dog mean that was

695
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,559
trying to rip its way into the bathroom with her

696
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:35,079
and her fiance. Her question is, yeah, that was a

697
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:38,639
really intense one. Her question is you were four to

698
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:41,039
six feet from it before you saw it? Was it

699
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:43,119
down behind the fence, trying not to be seen.

700
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:50,079
Speaker 2: No, we are to clear this up. We actually seen

701
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,719
from a distance. The four to six feet was when

702
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:59,159
we got in front of it. Well, we come past it,

703
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:03,440
and that's when it kind of went up off of

704
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:07,079
all fours and was crouching, doing a little crouch thing

705
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:10,599
like I said, the best thing, like on your Facebook page.

706
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:14,599
How it's kind of crouched. It was starting to raise up,

707
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,199
like who are you even? Why are you interrupting my dinner?

708
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,239
Because we seemed the silhouette from a distance, and then

709
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:31,239
when we got closer, that's when I guess that's when

710
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,000
you could say, poop hit the fan. You know, it

711
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:40,800
was like, oh, when we noticed what you know, that's

712
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,559
how I was able to see the head because the

713
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:51,639
lights kind of hit it. What in the world? And

714
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,519
but no, we spotted it from a distance, the silhouette

715
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,079
and tell what it was. And then when we got

716
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:05,519
up closer, what is this? What is this? And then

717
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:11,599
all of a sudden, I'm not hanging around, I'm stepping

718
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:12,679
on the gas. We're gon.

719
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't say I'll blame you it all there.

720
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,960
Joe's got another question for you, and that is the

721
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,880
dogman I saw was four to six feet through a glass.

722
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,880
Nothing looked like a cougar. Do you think your mind

723
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,519
blocked how it really looked so you could deal with it.

724
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: That's a very good possibility. That is a good, very

725
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:52,159
good possibility. Uh, because people with trauma they always find

726
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:58,760
the escape to blocking. I could have probably done that

727
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:07,280
not thinking about it, and that's I mean, that's probably

728
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,079
what I did. I just it's a cougar and go

729
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:17,079
on and just ignored it. And that's probably what I did,

730
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:24,639
because you know how like some people can I'm trying

731
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:28,239
to find a good way to put this, Like, if

732
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,000
you lie so much you actually believe what you're lying

733
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:37,199
about that you've actually done this all lot. I played

734
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:41,480
tennis in Wibbling Stadium in front of the Queen, and

735
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:44,119
you lie about it so long you actually believe it.

736
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,800
And that's that's good possibility. I never really even thought

737
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,840
about that, just blocking it out and it's a cougar.

738
01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:59,239
Just blocked it out and went on about my business.

739
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:06,119
Thank you for asking me, and I, uh, you're doing okay.

740
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe's good people, really nice lady. I just hate

741
01:01:11,639 --> 01:01:13,280
the fact that she had to go through everything that

742
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,719
she did. And yeah, thanks again to everyone who contributed

743
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,599
to her good fund me Peach. I mean, that was

744
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:20,559
just so nice of you to support her the way

745
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:23,599
you did. It's really appreciated, it really is.

746
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,559
Speaker 2: Oh that broke my heart hearing about that. I pretty

747
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:33,679
much wanted to grab a baseball bang learn start whooping

748
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:39,960
some But.

749
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you mean.

750
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: There.

751
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: I've got another question for you from Cookies and Cream.

752
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,159
Oh man, that sounds good right now. Their question is

753
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:49,320
did the creature have any spots or markings on its

754
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,679
head indoor coat?

755
01:01:52,880 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: Uh? Not that I sing. I didn't see no markings

756
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:12,199
at all. That I couldn't tell because I didn't even see.

757
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:17,000
Really were so pitch black, just the headlights hitting it.

758
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:26,199
I didn't see any kind of markings. I really didn't

759
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:32,000
even get a good catch of the color of it.

760
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:39,960
It was just it was so quick. But yet I

761
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:47,400
still remember seeing some stuff, you know, like the eyes,

762
01:02:48,599 --> 01:02:53,719
the head, but I do not remember seeing any markings.

763
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,920
I'm sorry, but I really don't remember seeing anything.

764
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:03,559
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no need to apologize. You saw what you

765
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:06,320
saw on and that's all there is to it. This

766
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,639
next question is from Beverly Jaeger, and she wants to know,

767
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:12,599
did you see any muscle mass on the dog men

768
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:13,039
at all?

769
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:27,599
Speaker 2: As far as getting up on it when we've seen it,

770
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:31,960
I guess you could say feeding and lifting its head up.

771
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:40,320
I kind of remember around the neck, you know, just bulkiness.

772
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:43,840
But as far as coming down the road where you

773
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:50,760
could see to sell a wet of it, it was

774
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:56,119
just massive, almost like a cow onmotion coming down the road.

775
01:03:57,719 --> 01:04:00,000
There's not much want to remind you, but it's far

776
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:07,719
was actually seen the muscle mass or it's uh palls

777
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,320
or hands or calls or anything like that. No. Oh,

778
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,400
I pretty much got to see was its head and

779
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:21,119
its eyes. That's all I really got to see. Because

780
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:25,840
I'm also driving, I'm watching for deer two and trying

781
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,400
to stare at that thing, so that that's really all

782
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,599
I've really got to see was its eyes and its head.

783
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you would have stared at it too hard,

784
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,000
you might have run the risk of going off the road.

785
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:43,159
That would have been a whole news set of problems there.

786
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,280
So I glad that didn't happen. That wouldn't have been

787
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,079
good at all. The next question, and the last question

788
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,920
I'm going to ask is from No More Fundland, and

789
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,159
they want to know. Have you had any dreams about

790
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:56,079
this dog men since the encounter.

791
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:13,199
Speaker 2: I haven't, but since the eyes without the glowing eyes,

792
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:22,639
that's kind of stuck with me. And I've had I

793
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:26,760
guess a dream or too the past two nights. Nothing bad,

794
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:34,840
just seeing the eyes and that's really all. I've had,

795
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:40,440
No bad dreams and nothing like that. And that's just

796
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,599
about it. Because after that fact kind of kicked in.

797
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:49,360
That's kind of creeped me out a good bit. You

798
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:55,920
don't have eyes shine and you're seeing these eyes that's

799
01:05:56,119 --> 01:06:01,760
glowing right back at you. It's like, huh huh say

800
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:07,679
that kind of come back to play. And I've kind

801
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:12,119
of had those dreams, but I try to not let

802
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:17,239
it bother me, and especially now, it's not going to

803
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,599
bother me because I'm getting it all off my chest.

804
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,639
Thanks to Vic and all of you for listening and

805
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,360
asking the questions, and I'm answering the best I can.

806
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,599
That's the best answer I could give for you.

807
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,119
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good answer, it really is. Well, before

808
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:39,800
we get out of here, James, do you have any

809
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,840
closing comments you'd like to put out there for us?

810
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: Yes? Uh, If you have an experience or anything more

811
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:53,119
like I did. You don't know what you've seen, question

812
01:06:53,880 --> 01:07:00,719
ask somebody, don't hold back, don't don't worry about ridicule

813
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,320
or anything. It's like when I reached out to you,

814
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,760
I didn't come out and say, hey, I saw a

815
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,400
dog man. Hey, I don't know exactly what I saw.

816
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:19,639
I'm pretty I think it was a cougar. But everything

817
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:28,880
coming on with hearing the show, everybody's testimony and hearing

818
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:35,679
what's going on. Don't be afraid. If you can't get

819
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:42,880
a hold of VIC. I'll put my email address on

820
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:46,719
here and you can at least email me and I'll

821
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,960
try to. Don't worry. I'm not trying to do a podcast,

822
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:53,360
but I'll do something, you know, to help anybody out.

823
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:58,119
But don't be afraid. Come out talk about it. Even if,

824
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,039
like me, if Vick would have told me, now you

825
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:06,719
saying cougar, Oh okay, thank you. Don't be scared. Come out,

826
01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:10,719
talk about it. Talk about your experience, whether it's a

827
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:16,439
dog man, bigfoot, anything like that. Come out and talk

828
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:21,520
about it and people will love you and no steal.

829
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,880
But you frame don't worry about it. That's about the

830
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:27,920
best thing I could say.

831
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: Well, it goes with that saying, you really have handled

832
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,640
this awfully well, and you have those questions about it

833
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,159
possibly being a cougar at first when we first started talking.

834
01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:44,000
But like I said earlier, cougars don't have self illuminating eyes.

835
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:46,560
They do have eyeshine when there's a light source present,

836
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,279
but their eyes most definitely are not self illuminating, and

837
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,640
they don't have heads like a hyena, and they don't

838
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,560
stand seven even close to seven feet tall on two legs,

839
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,479
and they're not van to black either, So there are

840
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,359
a lot of disqualifying features there for it to possibly

841
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:05,560
be a cougar. So I think we know what it

842
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,399
must have been. Unfortunately, the good news is, like I said,

843
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,159
that you've responded so well to the experience, so we'll

844
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:15,119
just play the glad game when it comes to that.

845
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm very glad, and I hope i'll never have

846
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:29,720
another experience. One's enough, and I'm glad it's confirmed, you know,

847
01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:37,159
and well, like I said, those eyes, man, those eyes,

848
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:42,760
just like I said, after I thought about it, and

849
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:47,439
I'm surprised I didn't bring it up, and when we

850
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:55,600
talked before, you didn't even ask about it. I'm like, wait,

851
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,560
a minute, my headlights were past this thing. How is

852
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:04,039
its eye still shining? But that's one of the things

853
01:10:04,039 --> 01:10:09,479
that you don't think about right off the bat well.

854
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,600
Now that is Oh I'm sorry, Oh.

855
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,399
Speaker 1: No, excuse me, I just said, of course.

856
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:19,039
Speaker 2: But yeah, now that is the one thing has kind

857
01:10:19,039 --> 01:10:24,640
of bothered me here the past few days when I

858
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,520
started thinking about that way a minute, the headlights are

859
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:34,600
past it, I'm looking out the passenger side wind and

860
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,800
its eyes are looking back at me. After I kind

861
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:46,159
of seen it, like you said, self illuminating. Don't boy,

862
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,479
you think I'd had a dodge hail cat the way

863
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,520
PT Cruiser went out there.

864
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: All that. I don't blame you, James. I can't thank

865
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,840
you enough for coming on sharing the details of that

866
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,159
experience with this. I really appreciate it.

867
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,159
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking me for being on the show.

868
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,319
I did not think you was going to asking me that.

869
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,439
And I'm sorry we had to do it on Saturday

870
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,880
night because of my work schedule. And but thank you

871
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:26,119
so much for answering my questions and helping me and

872
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:31,880
then coming on here, and really thankful for the community

873
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:39,199
asking questions, and thank y'all so much, and man, so

874
01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:42,960
much love to y'all, all of you. I appreciate it.

875
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: You're a good man, James. I hope you never change.

876
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:48,520
Speaker 2: I do.

877
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:53,079
Speaker 1: But having said that, thanks again so much for your

878
01:11:53,119 --> 01:11:54,840
time and have a great night.

879
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: All are you too, Thank you so much and love

880
01:11:59,000 --> 01:11:59,399
you all.

881
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:06,079
Speaker 1: Well you're welcome. Take care. Well, that's another one in

882
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:09,279
the books. If you've had if you actually have had

883
01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:11,560
a dog me in the encounter and would like to

884
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,479
speak with me about it, It doesn't matter if you want

885
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,119
to speak in private or if you want to come

886
01:12:15,159 --> 01:12:17,399
on the show and share it with the listeners, And

887
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,439
please go to Dogmandencounters dot com and submit a report.

888
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,960
If you do that, then I'd be more than happy

889
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,119
to reach out to you to schedule a phone comics

890
01:12:26,359 --> 01:12:30,600
a phone consultation with you. So please keep that in mind.

891
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,680
But everyone listening, thanks again so much for your support

892
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,960
for the eyewitnesses. Thanks so much for listening, and have

893
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:50,399
a great rest of your weekend. Good night,