Speaker 1: At Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for
tonight's special Saturday night episode of dog Man Encounters Radio.
Really appreciate you being here. If I sound like I'm
slightly compromised, just because I am, I'm under the weather here.
I was hoping i'd feel better tonight than I felt yesterday,
but I actually feel even worse. But the show must
go on, so I'm still glad to be here. Before
what we bring on tonight's guests, though, I've got some
information and an update I want to share with you,
an important one at that, and it's one of those
updates I really hate to give. If you've noticed that
episodes five point thirty four and five forty three are missing,
well you're not crazy. It's not just you. They are.
I took them down. Those are the episodes where Cody
came on and talked about the female, the alleged female
dog woman that was supposedly hanging around his property, the
one he called Sasha well about. I can't really remember
exactly how long it's been, but there was someone who
left a comment that said that they had seen those
sketches on a Deviant art page I believe it was,
and that the guy was a sham. Well, I see
comments like that coming in all the time, where people
are just making up comments like that. Well, not too
long after that comment, I guess it was about a
week after that comment was left, there was a message.
I received an email that I received from a lady
who told me that that was the artwork that Cody
had claimed to be his own and that I had
posted on those two episodes. She notified me that those
were or told me I should say that those were
actually her sketches that she created, and gave me a
link to her website, which can be found at e
is an Earl h is and Henry Ellis and Larry
b as In boy e is an Earl e Isanearl
dot com, e h L b e e dot com.
I went to that website and if you visit the
normal desktop version of that website, if you click on
where it says concept art and then click on where
it says were wolves, boom, a page pops up where
every sketch that could he claimed to have created is
right there on website. If you are using your phone,
if you just go to eh lb ee dot com,
I think if I remember right, if you click on
the menu in the upright hand corner. Then there's gonna
be a Werewolve's option. Click on that, and some of
those sketches that you see are going to ring some
bells and be pretty familiar. Well, needless to say, I'm
more than disappointed in that. I mean, unfortunately, there are
people that will lie to get attention for various reasons.
Some people are just miserable in their lives and they
see it as release if they get the chance to
lie about something that brings them a lot of attention.
I don't know why Code did that, but I'm really
disappointed that he made up these lies about Sasha. I
really am. I do the best I can to only
bring true stories about encounters to you bona fide dogman eyewitnesses.
But yeah, unfortunately, know it's perfect. There have been guests
in the past where I've kind of been, well more
than kind of, I've been skeptical about whether they were
telling the truth. But when I began, when I started
doing this ten years ago, I made a promise to myself,
I would much rather play the fool the way I
am tonight. Because of Cody's lies, I would much rather
play the fool and bring someone on the show who
is lying the way onto the show than to turn
someone around at the door who actually is a bonafide
dogman eyewitness. But due to how they delivered the story
to me, due to how they did whatever, I mistakenly
thought that they were lying about their encounter. Again, I
would much rather play the fool and bring someone like
Cody on who's just trying to lie their way onto
the show, then to turn a bonifid eyewitness around. That's
why things like this do happen from time to time.
So yeah, I just wanted to bring this to your attention,
full disclosure. I think it would be wrong if I
found out that he was lying, or anyone was lying,
and I didn't. I took the episodes down and I
didn't come forward and admit my mistake. Unfortunate mistake. Anyway,
let's move on to business for tonight. Tonight's guest is James.
Let's bring him in here now. James, thanks so much
for joining us.
Speaker 2: Hi, how you doing well?
Speaker 1: I've been doing better than I am right now, but
I mean it could still be worse. How about yourself?
Speaker 2: Huh? Knowing pretty good, Just a little bit nervous about
knowing this, but well, that's how to get out there.
Speaker 1: That's natural. Like I told you before, I've had guests
come on the show who have their own podcasts and
they were so nervous. I swear I could hear them vibrating.
They were so nervous shaken in the background. So yeah,
that's just a normal part of this. This doesn't make
you any different from most people. It really doesn't. But yeah,
having said that, please give us a brief bio on yourself. Jeans.
Speaker 2: I'm forty four years old, work at a semi truck
plant here in Virginia. I've been married to my beautiful
wife for six years. We've been together eight years. I
love video games. I'm a musician and love to fish.
Never really been a big hunter, but would go out
and just lazy old country boy likes to sit at
home and chill, cut watch my sports on Sundays, and
get up go to work next day. That's pretty much
about it.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that at all. If any of you
listening or wondering if James actually is as nice as
he seems, well yeah, I can tell you that he is.
We had a good talk and yeah, this guy's salt
of the Earth type material. He's a really good guy.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: But before we move on, James, I want to put
something out there. We've got a guest in the live chat,
Jessica Jones aka The Cryptid Huntress. She's a really nice
lady who's got her own YouTube channel for her podcast,
and she is going to be going live. She's gonna
err a live stream tonight at ten pm Eastern Time.
So if you like cryptids and ghosts another paranormal content,
highly recommend you check her show out. She's, like I said,
Salt of the Earth, and again her show is called
The Cryptid Huntress, so we hope you'll check that out.
Speaker 2: But moving forward, following her, I follow her on YouTube.
Speaker 1: She's got a great show, Yes she does. She really. Yeah,
have no doubt about that. Well, James, from what I understand,
you listen to an episode of the show where the
guests gave enough details about where he lives where alarm
bells started going off. Please expand on that for us.
Speaker 2: Yes, how does that work? One night just listening to
the show, and then I started hearing him. Because I
don't know if I should use his name.
Speaker 1: Or not, probably best to keep him anonymous.
Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, because I don't want to bring up
any bad memories for him. It just started going off
and I was like, hm, this sounds familiar. This okay,
And then I start listening more. Oh wow, and it
just everything just started clicking, from the eyes to pretty
much the size of this thing. Of course, the way
our cameras happened was completely different. And his a calendar
is close where I live at. Mine was about two
and a half hours way in the state. But still
at the same time, it was just wow, now this
is starting to make sense and kind of okay, Okay,
I've brushed this off for twenty years. Now it's starting
and putting pieces together. And then I talked to you
and explained to you it's like, huh wow, and it
just and then I started doing my own research as well,
and it's, uh, how to put it creepy the best
way to put.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, that is a good way to put it. Now,
once you'd have to go through things like that, like
what you did and other eyewitnesses have, that's for sure.
You're freaked out by something Manti said. If I remember correctly,
please tell us the story behind that.
Speaker 2: Where he lived at in the county where he lived in.
Of course I live in the next county over. Uh.
I had family now called him family. My cousin lived
with them. We all grew up together, just all little
country boys and country girls. And where he lived at
were just about two miles three miles down from the
road that you would go to get to his house,
and we ran around those fields. We played in dumb
parts of the foothills of the mountains. And when I
heard his enchanter, it just kind of wow, here we
are down here doing this, and then this is out
here running around and it just kind of just kind
of creeped me out because you know, it's pitch black
out there, yeah here country, and because there's nothing scarier
than being in the dark with no light because you
hear the slightest noise, What is that? What's this? Whether
you're the ten foot tall and bullet proof type, that
doesn't matter, you're still going to be scared because you
don't know what's out there and here and that it
just wow, here we all out there playing, having fun,
just running around, even after we got older, doing stuff
that we shouldn't been knowing. And it's like, uh huh, great,
that's nice know that was out there. Yeah, Bob cat Bear, okay,
but here, you know, wow, that's that kind of really
hit home.
Speaker 3: It was like, wow, that's just it's it's crazy to
hear something like that and it's right there.
Speaker 2: You know. Luckily we never seen nothing, never had any
problems or anything like that, and unfortunately he did. My
heart goes out to him, and that just one of
those things. You you could be on this side of
the fire and not get burned, but the next person
on the other side can. And it's just a shame
that he had to experience that. And I didn't experience
that there, but I did experience something which we'll get
to here in a little bit, and ugh, just makes
the skin crawl thinking about that. Just wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand why it would make your skin crawl.
It's one thing to have an experience and feel like
it's just a one off, But when you find out
that someone's had an encounter just on the other side
of the mountain from where you live, well, that really
does send a cold ship shiver down your spine.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, yeah, And it's you know, it's like, wow,
I fish here, I've hunted a little bit here, and
looks like right, you know, I just started to laugh
in just because I make myself feel better, and like, ah,
you know, try not to make a bad subject sound so,
you know, try to make it a little bit lighter
than what it is. But it's not because it's a
horrible subject when you think about it, and it's just
horrible when you have one of these encounters and you
just try to do what you can to push forward.
That's like, I mean, you talk, that's why for twenty
years I kind of which we'll get into that here
in a little bit, but yeah, after hearing his story
and putting things together, Okay, okay, okay, I'm not crazy.
I'm not crazy. This is what I saw.
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, Yeah, you're not crazy. You did
see what you saw. But there's a good twist of that,
the fact that Monty had his encounter just on the
other side of the mountain from you, and then of
course you had the encounter on your side. But like
you said, you've been out fishing and hunting and just
doing all sorts of things, but you have yet to
have a single scratch put on you by a dog
man in the area. You've never had a single hair
in your head harmed. So what does that tell you?
They've had plenty of opportunities, but they still haven't actually
done that to you. So that should be a positive
thing in your opinion.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, it definitely is definitely is it just? I do? Only?
It kind of makes me just I'm wanting how to
put it one of the lucky ones. And but when
we get into the counter, everyone's gonna be like, what
after you that lucky?
Speaker 1: It's like where, Well, I'd rather be lucky than good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And do I want to run into another one? No? No, no, no,
no no no, I do not want to see another one.
I what I saw was good enough done, and I
don't want know.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that doesn't make any different from any other eyewitness.
I can understand why you'd feel that way. We've been
alluding to your encounter. Let's get down to brass tax now.
Please tell us all about that encounter, now, James, and
give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: All right. Me and a friend we went to a
football game in Washington, DC in November two thousand and five,
and I went up our watched my favorite team come
to Washington to play, had fun left. Unfortunately, we didn't
know Baltimore had a game to you that night. So
we're stuck on Beltway, you know, which was kind of
nice because you know it was like, oh, check it out,
there's Washington Monument. You know, We're enjoying the scenery going
around the Beltway. Finally it was like, I'm not dealing
with this traffic. We're getting off of this exit and
we're going to take the Civil War trails and it
might be a little bit quicker. He was like okay,
And I was like, I've been down these roads before.
So we're traveling and going down these roads and listening
to music, you know, talking about the game, how much
fun we had, and we stop get something to eat,
the hold nine yards, just enjoying it. He's off that Monday.
I'm off that Monday, so we wasn't really worried about
getting back at a decent time. Well, we uh, coming
down through it's pitch black, but you know, with my
bride's on, you could see you know, the horse farms,
the cattle farms, everything, and all of a sudden he's like,
what is that. I'm like what He's like that up ahead?
What I'm walked he's like, look at the fence line.
What is that up ahead? I oh, man, it's probably
a cow, you know, we're a horse or something. We
get closer, we get closer, he's like that things eat
whatever it is it's eating something like now it's not.
It's probably eating grass. And then as soon as we
start getting closer, we start seeing the outline of this
thing being on all fours. I'm what, I think that's
a cougar. He's like, oh, that's awful, big cougar. And
then as soon as we rolled up, pretty much as
we was rolling up to it, it turned around kind
of looked when we seen the eye shine or it
was like this yellowish amber color. Okay, we're not thinking
nothing about that. We're still looking at the size of
this thing. And we get up closer. We get up
and it turned its head. We get up closer, We
get up closer. Finally, all right, we almost come to
a complete stop. As we're getting ready to come to
a complete stop to see what this is, when it
lifted its head up, it almost had the head of it.
I mean, it looked like a hyaena's pretty much by
the muzzle and the way ears was and you could
tell it was eaten because whatever was in its mouth
was still hanging out of its jaws. Just what little
bit we saw. And then as soon as it started
to rise up, best description is on your Facebook page,
how you kind of have the creature kind of in
a crouch mode. Now, picture that rising up, like who
are you? And when I locked eyes with that thing
and I'm in the driver's see, He's like, what is that?
And all of a sudden I stepped on the gas
and we was gone. I was like, that was a cougar.
That was a cougar. That was a coogar, And why
I haven't had no trust still still creeps me out,
especially after having hearing everything and we're still going down
the road. He was like, what what it was a cougar.
I keep telling him it's a cougar. He knew it
wasn't a cougar, but I'm planing in my mine. It
was a cougar. It was a cougar. That is what
we saw. And that's pretty much what I did for
twenty years, and it just terrifying. By Luckily I was
able to brush it off, never think about it. And
then soon as I started listening to Wait a minute,
Wait a minute, this that the owner. And then that's
when I reached out to you, Hey, what do you
think so that that was pretty much the encounter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I told you. Oh, I'm sorry, please continue.
Speaker 2: Oh now you're fine, You're fine, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, like I told you, what do I think? I
think cougar is donn have heads that look like hyaenas.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't stand about seven feet tall when they
stand up. Of course, the one that you saw, you say,
it never did fully stand up when you're looking at it.
But when I asked you how tall you thought it
might have been when it did stand all the way up,
that's when you said, probably about seven feet or so.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be about the scripture. Yeah, that's I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh no, excuse me, please continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was just the best way I
can describe it, you know, calls. Uh, Yeah, like I said,
there was a heel side there by that fence, which
I'm sorry I forgot to tell about the fence, but uh,
there was like a hillside with a fence where we
sawid at eating. I'm sorry I left that out. Nobody
gets mad about that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're amongst friends here. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 2: But uh so I would be an estimated guess about
at least seven if it stood all the way up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a safe bet to see that you don't
have any melanistics. Seven foot tall mountain lions when they
stand on their back feet, that is, are hanging around
there with heads that are sheeped like a hyena. So yeah,
the options of what that could be are pretty during slim.
Speaker 2: And then even the blackbirds here they even standing on
their hind legs. I don't even think they get seven
feet and plus their muscles are longer too than a
hamas is. I think I could be wrong about that,
so don't quote me that I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, Yeah, they are a little bit longer.
They are what made you decide to finally come forward
and accept what you saw after twenty.
Speaker 2: Years, James, pretty much after just researching because where I
had got into cryptics, and of course also to two
thousand and five, I had never heard of dog Man,
and just researching and enjoying the subject, loving to talk
to people people bringing it up, and then some somehow
I stumbled a pass upon your show, which was a
great thing because I love listening to it. And uh
then I started hearing a lot of people's and cameras
on your show. I'm like, huh. Then I start thinking back,
uh huh uh huh, Okay, maybe I'm not crazy, baby,
I did see what I see And then that's when
I finally decided, I'm gonna reach out to you, tell
you what I think I saw, and if you get
back to me, maybe you okay, yeah, you seen the
cougar or him could have been a black bear. Yeah,
because I was acclaiming that's what I saw. But after
let me, after hearing everything, let me get back in
touch with him. We're get in touch with you. I'm sorry.
And when you got back in touch with me, and
then when we talked, it was like, oh, okay, then
I'm not crazy. So that's pretty much what made me
want to come out of I guess you could say
my shell and start talking about it, because after I
kind of okay, I will want to know what I saw.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, if I'm not okay, I'm
not crazy then. So that's pretty much why I finally
decided to come out and talk about it.
Speaker 1: Well, as you know, We're glad you did decide to
do that. And if I remember correctly, there is something
about its eyes that kind of threw you for a loop.
Speaker 2: Yes, uh about the eye shine. Now, of course every
animal the eye shine on it happens when it hits
their eyes. Now. Of course, when we saw, you know,
when we first started seeing it, and it kind of
looked you see the eye shine. And Thursday night after work,
this is when it really started hitting me, and it
kind of freaked me out because I can't get rid
of the eyes. Is the car was past it, the
headlights were past it, and I'm looking at this thing
in the driver's seat looking out the passion your window.
It's complete black, pitch black outside, no other lights, just
the lights from the car. And like I said, we're
in the chrismer pt Cruiser. How am I able to
see those yellowish amber looking eyes staring right back at me?
After I don't see the head of it. And then
as we're slowing down and I must completely come to
the stop, and then those eyes are still glowing like
eyeshine looking at me. That has after it dawned on me,
I'm like, oh wow, And I think I've heard of
reports of their eyes glowing, And I don't know how
to explain that. Just after that kind of dawned on me,
it kind of, eh, that's kind of creeked me out.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that'd creep anyone out of interest. The road
that you were on at the time when you had
that sighting, you told me that it had been built
on top of an old Civil War tril. Do you
happen to know what the name of that old Civil
War tril?
Speaker 2: Was? Not exactly the name of the road, but I
do know it was Route fifteen because, uh, we had
got off in the Woodbridge area in northern Virginia and
pick a back road, hit Route three, which goes through
Chancellorsville Battlefield and Spotsylvania, and then we hit fifteen so
we could go down onto Charlottesville. And of course there
was all kinds of little skirmishes and everything, but round
fifteen and little roads all around. There was trails that
they would use to carry ammunition, marching troops and everything.
But that was the route road that we was on,
so that way we can get the I sixty four.
And believe me, after we've seen that, he was like,
I'm not waiting around boom. I have never I don't
think I let off the gas until we hit Eye
eighty one off of sixty four. I mean, I was
a gone. I just wanted to tell my buddy, you
want to get out, and look, you got right ahead.
Don't mess with that cougar. Of course we don't think
it was a cougar. Now. Route fifteen was the route
that we was on.
Speaker 1: I knew that municipalities have built hiking paths and other
things like that on top of old railroad tracks. Well,
of course they pulled up the tracks and where the
tracks went through, that's where they built the trails and everything.
But I never really knew that they actually built roads
on top of Civil War trails. So that was news
to me.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not exactly on the trail. What I meant
by the trail was take the roads and you can
go to visit the battlefields. But some of them were
actual like wagon trails, or it's just a road that
they built too so you can get to them to
the battlefields and stuff. It's uh, which Route three is
the more famous one because of Chancellorville and then Route fifteen.
I think the actual trail was more the actual civil
Civil war trail was more off of that road, and
they have it Basically you could take it and go
to one of the sites, but you got to get
off of it. But it was also one of those
they had built back in the old days that can
be traveled. Of course, I could now I could be wrong,
but I know there was a lot of scur the
shoes and everything, and a lot of ammunition from Union
and Confederate was traveled up that area. Because it's, how
to put it, perfect ambush slash easy access because you're
in between the mountains, so you don't look for that,
and then you do, you look for it if you
get what I'm saying. Of course, now it's easy access
with technology that we had to drive through there. Back
then it wouldn't have been.
Speaker 1: He has much easier to do now than back in
the olden days, that's for sure. How did your buddy
handle that encounter? Did you have more trouble with it
than he did or vice versa.
Speaker 2: He he kind of did the same thing. He knew
what he saw, and I was the one that blowed
it off, and he would bring it up and I
would just no, no, no, you saw the cougar. Let's
not talk about it anymore, And finally he just stopped
and we never talked about it again. That was pretty
much about it. But he knew what he saw and
he was trying to tell me, and I was the
one who would not believe what we saw. So and
as far as I know, it never bothered It never
bothered him, and it never bothered me. But of course,
if I was to talk to him, well, you was right,
that wasn't the cougar, even though it took twenty years
to figure this out, So it never bothered him that
I know of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you guys didn't talk about it any more
after that one time, then it's hard to say he
might have had a lot more trouble with it than
you ever found out. But yeah, I guess we're never
going to know the answer to that question. People are different,
They respond in different ways to experiences. Do you think
that in your keys the fact that you after that
one conversation that was it, you never talked about it again.
Was that a good thing when it came to you
dealing with that experience or was it a bad thing?
Speaker 2: Ah? In all honesty, I want to say, I guess
the way it was brushed off. I want to say
it was a good time just because I was able
to live my life and go on and not worry
about anything. But as of now, mm hmm, it's kind
of bothersome but not bad. Just to me. I'm trying
to take it as it's one of those things because
it happened so long ago. Now, if it happened yesterday
be a different story. Yeah, I would probably have to
go to the storm, but it depends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you did have to do that, I'd be
understanding of what would it really would I'm kind of
mixed on this. I normally get a pretty good beat
on an eyewitnesses feelings about their experiences after having the
amount of conversations, the amount of time that we spent
talking about that encounter. But with you, I'm not really
sure where you stand. Are you able to head into
the woods and not be compromised or when you do
go in, is it kind of a problem for you?
Speaker 2: Uh? No. Every time I've gone into the mountains to
do my trout fishing or anything little game the hunting,
it's never bothered me. Now, I will say there has
been times where you're just or I'm like, man, I
feel like something, somebody's watching me or something. I guess
just where I've blocked it out for so many years
and not let it really bother me and just moved
on with my life. I guess that's why I'm able
to still go out and trout fish, still go out
in the woods and little small game hunting. I guess
that's why. But there has been times that I'm like,
I feel like something's watching me. Looking around, don't see nothing,
That don't mean anything. But I've had that experience, but
it ain't never bothered me.
Speaker 1: Well, that's good. I'm so glad to hear that you
are able to head back into the woods and do
whatever you like to do without being compromised. That definitely
beats the alternative. When you were driving past that dog man, though,
did you ever get any vibes from it that made
you think that it might have had some special qualities
or abilities that were above and beyond what a normal
flesh and blood creature would have.
Speaker 2: Well, and here're that big what we seen. I think
if it really wanted to stand up and jump over
that fence, which about the way, if I didn't mention
that there was a fence for the listener a little
wooden fence, but just did standing up, starting to stand up.
If that thing really wanted to go to the car
and get us, it could have. That's why I stepped
on it and was like that, I'm not working around
and see what this thing looks like. Even more, we're
gone calls. I forgot to say that how close we was.
We was about anywhere between four to six feet away
from it, and it was behind a fence. And that thing,
if it really what we saw as big as it
was to sell wet, if it really wanted to pounce
and jump on us, it would destroy that little car
in no time. But it was just because the look
of it when it raised its head looking at it
says like I'm eating you. Better go wall And that's
what we did. But if early long today something and
Nick could have done some damage, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure it could have. Yeah, I don't doubt
that at all. Before we move on, I just want
to thank Robert Wolf and Lily Lewis. Both of them
gave donations to the show. I really appreciate it. Like
I've said before, though, guys, is offully nice of you
to do that and support the show. But I mean,
I'm paying my bills. If you could just maybe save
your money and just focus on trying to be maybe
that much more supportive of the eyewitnesses the guests on
the show, that'd be the best payment I could possibly have.
So again, thank you so much for your donations, but
you really don't need to do that. If you, just,
like I said, focus on supporting the guests, that'd be
the best payment that there is. Well, let's transition over
to asking some of the questions that the guests have
for you. Here, James. The first one up is from
Glenn Camada. Whoops, give me a second here, Thank goodness
for mute buttons here.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: The first question up is from Glenn Kimada, and his
question is did you see a tail?
Speaker 2: No? I did not. I wish I could have. Well,
I wish I could have seen more, but as dark
as it was, you really couldn't make it. We can
see to see a way, but I don't remember seeing
the tail, So I'm sorry the answer that way, But
I did not see a tail. If there was one,
I did not see it.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no need to apologize. You had so much
going through your mind. You never expected to see the
thing right there, and when you did see the thing,
it shocked you so much. Looking for little details like that,
that'd be the last thing on your mind. So that's
totally expected and understandable. The next question is from Ryan M.
And Ryan's question is did it react to the vehicle
driving by it?
Speaker 2: All? It did as we was coming down the road,
and when my buddy first spotted it, it was almost
like it was I guess the best way to say
it's like it been tamed. I'm not saying it was tamed.
It was just like, okay, here's a vehicle, went back
to eating. And then as we slowed down to get
a closer look at what we thought was a cougar.
Of course it was not. And this thing just like okay,
here I am, I'm eating, now go before I fully
end up. Uh, it was just calm, like it had
been around vehicles. Most wild animals like a bear or
bob cat, cougar, felled deers or calm, a cozy they'll
just run right into you they Uh. This one just
this thing just was like it was normal, like a
person on the side of the road. Okay, there's a car, Okay,
like it didn't matter. It didn't act like it was
scared at all. Yeah, I'm sure. Well, yeah, when you're
at big unlus, you're eating hi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these things don't fear much at all. So it
doesn't surprise me that it wasn't afraid of you. It
really didn't have anything to fear exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean when you're that big. Yeah. Here in Virginia,
the biggest urditor that we got is a black bear.
They say cougars don't exist, but they're here. But still
a black bear is big, but they'll run even if
you clap your hands at them. So this thing was
not scared at all.
Speaker 1: That fits, that's how it normally goes. It looks like
Polski Ogorki has. The next question, they want to know
if there was any noticeable odor from that dog man.
Speaker 2: Uh No, because it was in November and it was
actually pretty cold that day, not as cold as it
has been here on the East Coast, and we had
the wind as up. But we didn't smell any kind
of odor anything like that. If we did, we'd probably
summed it off to horsepoop or cow poop. Just growing
up in the country, that's probably what we would have
thought if we would have smelled something, or I've been
down the Savannah and I've smelled the paper mills down there,
the soul from smell, but there was nothing like that.
So now there was no smell.
Speaker 1: Considering the fact that you were in the car and
moving past like that, I highly doubted that you smelled
it at all. But sometimes the stench is so strong
you can actually smell it through house walls and inside
of a car with the windows up still, so you
never know. It's a good question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, definitely, definitely, But now we didn't smell nothing.
If we did, I don't remember, I really don't. But
as far as I know, I don't remember any kind
of smell at all. Sorry, I'm sorry to answer your
question that way, Bud.
Speaker 1: Oh, don't apologize. We just want the truth. I don't
think you did smell anything, because if you did, with
the way these guys smell when they decided to project
that stench, you'd remember it. So that's why I'm pretty
darn sure you didn't smell anything that night. It looks
like Andres Carisale says the next question, Andres wants to know,
why do you bury your experience so deeply. Was there
a story about the mountain or the usual stigma about
seeing unknown creatures.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I Well, the reason I buried
it for so long was because I was not sure
of what I saw, and I brushed it off as
a cougar sighted So that's why I just I brushed
it off, didn't letting nothing bother me. And then when
I started researching into cryptics, here was a later. I
was twenty five at the time of this experience and
I'm forty four now, and I just brushed everything off.
And then after, like I said, started researching cryptics and
into everything, and I started hearing everybody else's experiences. Huh.
So I contacted vic you know, just ask questions, you know,
and it just started. Finally it was like a snowfall.
Oh wow, okay, okay, wow, this is okay, this is
what I saw. But that's why I brushed it off
for so long, because one, I didn't know what doll
Man was. Two I just brushed it off as a
cougar experience because they say there is no cougars in
Virginia and they are. So that's just what I did.
I just brushed it off like there was like it
was nothing, and now I'm just coming out talking about
it and basically getting answers, and I'm really glad the
community is asking me these questions so I could try
to answer them the best I can. Let y'all, Nay,
it wasn't that I'm I was terrified or anything like that.
It's just I brushed it off for so long. Then
finally I won't answers and that's when I got a
older VIC, and VIC suggested this, and this is where
we're at now. Hopefully I answered your question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good answer for it. The next
one up is from Cletching, not Nilu, and they want
to know, James, have you ever used a wigi board?
And also what kind of video games do you play? Well,
I'm sorry, he also wants to know. The full question
is have you ever played with a wigi board or
had any paranormal experiences? Also what kind of video games
do you play?
Speaker 2: H And I'll honesty, I've never used a wigi board,
but I have been around and seen some things in
parallemal things which I really don't feel comfortable about talking about,
which I'm not meaning that to be mean. It's just
some things people are comfortable about. Some people ain't, and
I'm just not ready to talk about that. But as
far as video games go, I love all the final fantasies.
I love the legend of Zelda games, pretty much any
kind of RPG, football, baseball, sports games, anything like that,
it doesn't matter. I'll give it a try. If it's
on PS five, PS four, PS three, PS one, I'll
play it. I'll give it, I'll try. But as far
as the paranormal experience, I'm not really ready to I've
had experience, and I just don't really want to talk
about that right now, not yet. But I will keep
you in mind and let you know when I'm ready
to talk about that.
Speaker 1: There's never any pressure to talk about anything that you're
not prepared to talk about it in any given time,
So yeah, please take your time. This next question up
is from Jove's Joyce Stone. She was featured on the
show where she talked about that dog mean that was
trying to rip its way into the bathroom with her
and her fiance. Her question is, yeah, that was a
really intense one. Her question is you were four to
six feet from it before you saw it? Was it
down behind the fence, trying not to be seen.
Speaker 2: No, we are to clear this up. We actually seen
from a distance. The four to six feet was when
we got in front of it. Well, we come past it,
and that's when it kind of went up off of
all fours and was crouching, doing a little crouch thing
like I said, the best thing, like on your Facebook page.
How it's kind of crouched. It was starting to raise up,
like who are you even? Why are you interrupting my dinner?
Because we seemed the silhouette from a distance, and then
when we got closer, that's when I guess that's when
you could say, poop hit the fan. You know, it
was like, oh, when we noticed what you know, that's
how I was able to see the head because the
lights kind of hit it. What in the world? And
but no, we spotted it from a distance, the silhouette
and tell what it was. And then when we got
up closer, what is this? What is this? And then
all of a sudden, I'm not hanging around, I'm stepping
on the gas. We're gon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't say I'll blame you it all there.
Joe's got another question for you, and that is the
dogman I saw was four to six feet through a glass.
Nothing looked like a cougar. Do you think your mind
blocked how it really looked so you could deal with it.
Speaker 2: That's a very good possibility. That is a good, very
good possibility. Uh, because people with trauma they always find
the escape to blocking. I could have probably done that
not thinking about it, and that's I mean, that's probably
what I did. I just it's a cougar and go
on and just ignored it. And that's probably what I did,
because you know how like some people can I'm trying
to find a good way to put this, Like, if
you lie so much you actually believe what you're lying
about that you've actually done this all lot. I played
tennis in Wibbling Stadium in front of the Queen, and
you lie about it so long you actually believe it.
And that's that's good possibility. I never really even thought
about that, just blocking it out and it's a cougar.
Just blocked it out and went on about my business.
Thank you for asking me, and I, uh, you're doing okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe's good people, really nice lady. I just hate
the fact that she had to go through everything that
she did. And yeah, thanks again to everyone who contributed
to her good fund me Peach. I mean, that was
just so nice of you to support her the way
you did. It's really appreciated, it really is.
Speaker 2: Oh that broke my heart hearing about that. I pretty
much wanted to grab a baseball bang learn start whooping
some But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: I've got another question for you from Cookies and Cream.
Oh man, that sounds good right now. Their question is
did the creature have any spots or markings on its
head indoor coat?
Speaker 2: Uh? Not that I sing. I didn't see no markings
at all. That I couldn't tell because I didn't even see.
Really were so pitch black, just the headlights hitting it.
I didn't see any kind of markings. I really didn't
even get a good catch of the color of it.
It was just it was so quick. But yet I
still remember seeing some stuff, you know, like the eyes,
the head, but I do not remember seeing any markings.
I'm sorry, but I really don't remember seeing anything.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no need to apologize. You saw what you
saw on and that's all there is to it. This
next question is from Beverly Jaeger, and she wants to know,
did you see any muscle mass on the dog men
at all?
Speaker 2: As far as getting up on it when we've seen it,
I guess you could say feeding and lifting its head up.
I kind of remember around the neck, you know, just bulkiness.
But as far as coming down the road where you
could see to sell a wet of it, it was
just massive, almost like a cow onmotion coming down the road.
There's not much want to remind you, but it's far
was actually seen the muscle mass or it's uh palls
or hands or calls or anything like that. No. Oh,
I pretty much got to see was its head and
its eyes. That's all I really got to see. Because
I'm also driving, I'm watching for deer two and trying
to stare at that thing, so that that's really all
I've really got to see was its eyes and its head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you would have stared at it too hard,
you might have run the risk of going off the road.
That would have been a whole news set of problems there.
So I glad that didn't happen. That wouldn't have been
good at all. The next question, and the last question
I'm going to ask is from No More Fundland, and
they want to know. Have you had any dreams about
this dog men since the encounter.
Speaker 2: I haven't, but since the eyes without the glowing eyes,
that's kind of stuck with me. And I've had I
guess a dream or too the past two nights. Nothing bad,
just seeing the eyes and that's really all. I've had,
No bad dreams and nothing like that. And that's just
about it. Because after that fact kind of kicked in.
That's kind of creeped me out a good bit. You
don't have eyes shine and you're seeing these eyes that's
glowing right back at you. It's like, huh huh say
that kind of come back to play. And I've kind
of had those dreams, but I try to not let
it bother me, and especially now, it's not going to
bother me because I'm getting it all off my chest.
Thanks to Vic and all of you for listening and
asking the questions, and I'm answering the best I can.
That's the best answer I could give for you.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good answer, it really is. Well, before
we get out of here, James, do you have any
closing comments you'd like to put out there for us?
Speaker 2: Yes? Uh, If you have an experience or anything more
like I did. You don't know what you've seen, question
ask somebody, don't hold back, don't don't worry about ridicule
or anything. It's like when I reached out to you,
I didn't come out and say, hey, I saw a
dog man. Hey, I don't know exactly what I saw.
I'm pretty I think it was a cougar. But everything
coming on with hearing the show, everybody's testimony and hearing
what's going on. Don't be afraid. If you can't get
a hold of VIC. I'll put my email address on
here and you can at least email me and I'll
try to. Don't worry. I'm not trying to do a podcast,
but I'll do something, you know, to help anybody out.
But don't be afraid. Come out talk about it. Even if,
like me, if Vick would have told me, now you
saying cougar, Oh okay, thank you. Don't be scared. Come out,
talk about it. Talk about your experience, whether it's a
dog man, bigfoot, anything like that. Come out and talk
about it and people will love you and no steal.
But you frame don't worry about it. That's about the
best thing I could say.
Speaker 1: Well, it goes with that saying, you really have handled
this awfully well, and you have those questions about it
possibly being a cougar at first when we first started talking.
But like I said earlier, cougars don't have self illuminating eyes.
They do have eyeshine when there's a light source present,
but their eyes most definitely are not self illuminating, and
they don't have heads like a hyena, and they don't
stand seven even close to seven feet tall on two legs,
and they're not van to black either, So there are
a lot of disqualifying features there for it to possibly
be a cougar. So I think we know what it
must have been. Unfortunately, the good news is, like I said,
that you've responded so well to the experience, so we'll
just play the glad game when it comes to that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm very glad, and I hope i'll never have
another experience. One's enough, and I'm glad it's confirmed, you know,
and well, like I said, those eyes, man, those eyes,
just like I said, after I thought about it, and
I'm surprised I didn't bring it up, and when we
talked before, you didn't even ask about it. I'm like, wait,
a minute, my headlights were past this thing. How is
its eye still shining? But that's one of the things
that you don't think about right off the bat well.
Now that is Oh I'm sorry, Oh.
Speaker 1: No, excuse me, I just said, of course.
Speaker 2: But yeah, now that is the one thing has kind
of bothered me here the past few days when I
started thinking about that way a minute, the headlights are
past it, I'm looking out the passenger side wind and
its eyes are looking back at me. After I kind
of seen it, like you said, self illuminating. Don't boy,
you think I'd had a dodge hail cat the way
PT Cruiser went out there.
Speaker 1: All that. I don't blame you, James. I can't thank
you enough for coming on sharing the details of that
experience with this. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking me for being on the show.
I did not think you was going to asking me that.
And I'm sorry we had to do it on Saturday
night because of my work schedule. And but thank you
so much for answering my questions and helping me and
then coming on here, and really thankful for the community
asking questions, and thank y'all so much, and man, so
much love to y'all, all of you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You're a good man, James. I hope you never change.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: But having said that, thanks again so much for your
time and have a great night.
Speaker 2: All are you too, Thank you so much and love
you all.
Speaker 1: Well you're welcome. Take care. Well, that's another one in
the books. If you've had if you actually have had
a dog me in the encounter and would like to
speak with me about it, It doesn't matter if you want
to speak in private or if you want to come
on the show and share it with the listeners, And
please go to Dogmandencounters dot com and submit a report.
If you do that, then I'd be more than happy
to reach out to you to schedule a phone comics
a phone consultation with you. So please keep that in mind.
But everyone listening, thanks again so much for your support
for the eyewitnesses. Thanks so much for listening, and have
a great rest of your weekend. Good night,