WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:04.360 Tip Deck Media. 2 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:12.880 See the Party. 3 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:17.600 Hello, and welcome to see you at the Potty Richter. 4 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:20.920 My name is Chris Chapman, and joining me as always 5 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:26.640 are my co hosts Aaron Frescus Hello, and Joseph beck Castro, Hello, 6 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:31.320 QT Pies. And joining us once again this week is 7 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:35.840 Erica Shasky Hello, and she is joining us to cover 8 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:39.799 Arnold's nineteen ninety three satire. 9 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:51.000 Vehicle fantasy Action Yeah, Hicle Car Truck Fair. Anyway, Last 10 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.799 Action Hero came out in nineteen ninety three, and we're 11 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:55.280 going to continue talking about it today. 12 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:00.719 So Aaron talk, Okay, that's a good intro. Okay. So 13 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:03.920 we were on them trying to find a director and 14 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:06.719 then offering it to John McTiernan, and I read you 15 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:08.799 guys a quote that mcchernan gave to The New York 16 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:11.920 Times in nineteen ninety three saying basically that he passed 17 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:16.599 on the film because the original script was quote wasn't 18 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.760 very good. It wasn't challenging or fascinating, It didn't have 19 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:23.040 a spark. And then we talked about Paul Verhovean and 20 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:25.640 Arnold trying to find funding for a Crusade but it 21 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:28.200 falling through because Rahoven's fucking crazy. 22 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:29.359 Yeah right. 23 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.480 Oh, I had one last thing I forgot to add 24 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:35.200 about Crusade. Like as far as Crusade, so I mentioned 25 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:38.840 that Schwarzenegger and Verhoven were talking to Kralco like Slash 26 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:42.719 Mario Kassar about funding, but Cralco decided against it because 27 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.760 they were just broke as fuck. Yeah. Well, according to 28 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.680 that Fiasco book, I guess it was Mario Kassar and 29 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.840 Carlco that originally owned the rights to the film, which 30 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.719 was surprising to me because I found articles about Arnold 31 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:56.280 still trying to get a movie made in like nineteen 32 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:01.000 ninety nine, but Kralco went bankrupt in ninety five. So 33 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.760 I just assumed that either Arnold, like either one of 34 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:06.519 them like Arnold Verhoven, had always on the rights and 35 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:08.159 they just brought it to Carolco to try to get 36 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:08.759 funding for it. 37 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:09.639 Yeah. 38 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:13.039 Yeah, but no, apparently even though Kralco was literally maybe 39 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:17.360 like maybe one box office bomb away from bankruptcy, it 40 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:20.240 definitely didn't stop Mario Kassar from making a fifteen million 41 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.719 dollar deal with Arnold A Star and Crusade. And it 42 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:25.919 wasn't like some boring, like regular old deal and that 43 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:28.719 it was a they agreed to a pay or play deal. 44 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.360 You do we know what that is? No, No, okay, 45 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:35.520 So basically Kralco agreed to pay Arnold fifteen million dollars 46 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:38.080 regardless if the movie gets made or not. So the 47 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.680 pay or play, which normally wouldn't be a big deal 48 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.759 because it's pretty common, like a common contract clause in Hollywood, 49 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.199 especially with dealing with like a list talent, which Arnold 50 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:50.280 was at the time. But Krolco was basically like hanging 51 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:53.520 on a thread at this point. So like they were 52 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.120 so bad with money that even though they co produced 53 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:59.840 Terminator two in ninety one, which made half a billion dollars, 54 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.319 these motherfuckers still somehow managed to lose ninety one million 55 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:04.319 dollars that same year. 56 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.159 Christ Yeah, I mean how much of that. 57 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.800 Is well, what you got out of it completely? 58 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:14.039 Yeah, yeah, that was just more of a question of 59 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:20.039 how much of that was Hollywood accounting, you know, Oh, 60 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.759 because in theory, no film ever makes a profit. 61 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.199 Yep, it was. 62 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:26.680 There their studio. 63 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:30.199 That's because of the studio. Yeah, yeah, So it's. 64 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.400 It's movies can lose money, and it's all like it's 65 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.800 good for the studio, But if the studio is losing money, 66 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:36.319 that's bad. 67 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:42.479 Yeah. So they were getting investigated by the IRS at 68 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.599 this time too, and it I'm not sure what like 69 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:48.000 what happened with it, but they owed money, and Mario 70 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:50.479 Cassart is just really bad with money. And it's definitely 71 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.680 Mario Kasar because the Andrew the Vegeter was out by 72 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:58.560 this time, Andrew Vaginer was already like he sold his 73 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.479 I think before termat or two. Actually I believe really yeah, 74 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.719 I mean that wasn't the worst decision because they still 75 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:08.759 were still ninety one million dollars. And then I looked 76 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:10.280 up the other movies that they did because I was like, okay, 77 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:12.439 well maybe they had like a huge bomb, but no, 78 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:16.720 it was uh the Punisher, like the Adulph lungerin one. 79 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:19.600 Sure I thought I wrote them down, but apparently I didn't. 80 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.240 And there was like there was like four others, but uh. 81 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:26.879 Was that one based on the comic? Yes, yeah, okay, 82 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:28.279 I haven't seen that one. 83 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.079 I remember it being on all the time, but I don't. 84 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:33.879 You don't remember anything from it anyway. 85 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.240 Remember when like how like book movies are just absolute 86 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:41.879 dog shit and then they became like kind of good 87 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.639 in like the late nineties, you know, Blade and X 88 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.439 Men and early Odds, and then they kind of went 89 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:52.360 back to like not absolute dog shit, but just like catch. 90 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.800 But we started making so many of them that it's 91 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:56.959 hard not to make like half of them dog shit. 92 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.839 Yeah, like Daredevil, Oh my god, what a shit show 93 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:03.639 that one. It's funny. I was talking to somebody in 94 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:06.959 their mid twenties. He was like, yeah, I remember when 95 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.079 comic book movies were good, like when I was like 96 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.920 growing up, they were all like good. I was like, God, 97 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:16.639 damn fucking children. Christ. Okay, Yeah, anyways, I'm sorry to 98 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:17.279 sidetrack thing. 99 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:18.600 Okay, so I just looked. 100 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:18.959 Sorry. 101 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.399 The nineteen ninety one they did La Story, which I 102 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.439 think was Steve Martin, which I remember looking up. It 103 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:29.680 didn't lose money, probably did, but the Doors which didn't. 104 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.720 Again didn't like lose money. The Punisher and then the 105 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:37.560 rest of Terminator too, that's true, but it was definitely. 106 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:41.439 Marcus Arnim was something about like he's just it's like 107 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.160 a lavish lifestyle thing. And then they would make dumb 108 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.399 deals with like their stars, like this is the second 109 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:50.079 time like that. They made a deal with Schwarzenegger before 110 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:52.560 what was it? What was it with the Terminator three? 111 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:55.879 Like they didn't actually have the rights? Yeah, and they 112 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:57.199 signed like they. 113 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:04.319 Oh no, no, they no, they got funding from different places, 114 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.079 like two different studios before they signed Schwarzenegger, but they 115 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:12.480 already guarantee that he would do it. Yeah. Yeah, So so. 116 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:16.600 Has there been talk about cocaine with this guy? Because 117 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:21.079 that's kind of what all you're telling me of, just 118 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:23.959 like these bad deals, super hyped up and fucking just 119 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:25.839 doing a bunch of But let's fucking do it, man, 120 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:28.279 Let's just fucking do it. 121 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.120 And there's a between the lines joke here that I'm trying. 122 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:35.639 To come up with, uh snort, between the lines. 123 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:39.040 Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, I'm just saying there's 124 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:43.079 cocaine sprinkled all throughout the story, but if it's not explicitly. 125 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:47.560 So yeah, okay. Yeah. So basically, once Mario Kassar realized 126 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.000 that Crusade could potentially cost more than the original proposed budget, 127 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.319 he backed out of that deal. And I'm assuming that 128 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:56.439 Arnold just I think he just really wanted to make 129 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:00.120 the movie, so he agreed to the film rights in 130 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:04.879 lieu of money, which I mean, sure, yeah, I go, well, 131 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:08.120 worked out from Mario Caasar because it never got made. Yeah, 132 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.759 so the best part. The best part is that Caralco 133 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.560 also had another movie in development at the time, but 134 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:16.120 after realizing that Crusade would be the more expensive of 135 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.680 the two films, Mario Cassar decided to back out of 136 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:24.160 that deal and then make Cutthroat Island instead, which Rick, 137 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:24.680 can I watch? 138 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.079 It's whatever, I don't know, It's really not that bad. 139 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.439 It's like Romancing the Stonebak Pirates. 140 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.720 He ended up selling that, like right before they they 141 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:37.120 went bankrupt. He ended up selling that. And he also 142 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:41.680 had the rights to show Girl said he sold. So yeah, 143 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:44.160 anyway to get back on track. As far as finding 144 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:47.519 the director for a Last Section Hero, so six months 145 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.480 after John mcteernan said no because that Zach penn Adam 146 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:53.279 left draft of the script didn't like light his balls 147 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:54.959 on fire, didn't have a spark or whatever it was. 148 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.759 He ended up telling the fucking New York Times. But yeah, so, 149 00:07:57.800 --> 00:07:59.920 six months after turning down the director job, Columbia sent 150 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.480 mc tern in the newly rewritten Shane Black version of 151 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:06.000 the script, which was now titled Last Action Hero, and 152 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.759 apparently it had a spark that was missing from that 153 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.839 pen Left version because he loved it, telling the New 154 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.519 York Times in nineteen ninety three, quote, what drew me 155 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:16.319 is the whack of sense of humor. Shane Black and 156 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:19.240 David are not brought. Shane had done enough service in 157 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:21.279 the salt minds of action movies to ridicule them in 158 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.800 an acid way. That script had so much venom that 159 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:27.879 I loved it, unquote and quick question, Chris. We didn't 160 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.199 end up finding the Shane Black version of the script, not. 161 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:33.960 The one well, yeah, not the one that's just Shane Black. 162 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:35.600 We found the one that had been touched up by 163 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:36.320 William Goldman. 164 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:38.320 Yeah, which ended up a little loose. You said, seemed 165 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:39.519 like the shooting script, right. 166 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.840 Essentially, it seemed almost indistinguishable for the movie for from 167 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.879 what I've read of it, like aside from maybe a 168 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.200 few words here and there. Yeah, it's pretty damn close 169 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:50.679 to the movie. 170 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.480 Okay. I was just curious if it was like that 171 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:56.279 much better than the pen Left one, But. 172 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.200 I think I think the movie is that much better 173 00:08:58.240 --> 00:08:59.559 than the pen Left script. 174 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.600 So yeah, kind of uh so. John my Ternan signs 175 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.559 on as director in July nineteen ninety two, and According 176 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.759 to McTiernan, Arnold was about ready to sign on to 177 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.240 Do Tooth Fairy when mcchernan called him up and told 178 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.919 him not to commit until he read the rewritten Last 179 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.799 Action Hero script because it's it's good. It's seriously good. 180 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:19.879 You know. I'm sure the whole time during that called mcturney, 181 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:21.840 which is going on and on about that's got some spark. 182 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:23.720 You gotta read it. It's got spark. Don't sit down while 183 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.000 you're reading it, Arnold. It's got too much spark. It 184 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:30.320 could blow your balls out of your butthole. Okay, that's 185 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:34.279 not a direct quote, but I'm assuming that's it isn't talk. Hey, 186 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:36.360 come on, johnmy. 187 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.399 NaN's more, I said, got deeper and deeper. 188 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.919 John's more like it's gonna blow your balls out of 189 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:44.000 your buttle, like while smoking a cigarette. 190 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:47.799 Like it's like fucking Batman. 191 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.399 I feel like you're just doing Bruce Willis from Dieheard. 192 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:52.360 Gonna blow your balls out of your buttle. 193 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.799 Okay. So, uh, Arnold reads it, and while he agrees 194 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.000 that script was good, he still felt there were a 195 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:03.240 few elements of it that needed work. Before he agreed 196 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.240 to sign on and for Columbia the sooner he signed on, 197 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:08.879 the better because this was this was all like taking 198 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.919 place in July of ninety two, and the studio needed 199 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.000 to know whether or not Arnold was on board by 200 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.159 at least August if they wanted the film to be 201 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.279 ready for summer nineteen ninety three release. So they were 202 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:23.679 basically like, tell us what you want, will make it happen. Yeah. So, 203 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:26.200 both Arnold and mccherney agreed that the third acts still 204 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.919 need a little work, But Arnold's main issue was that 205 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.720 the Shane the Black David script. The main issue with 206 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.440 it was that the relationship between Danny and Jack Slater 207 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:37.840 was kind of yeah, like there wasn't a whole lot 208 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:38.080 of one. 209 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.000 I don't know, well, I don't know. I don't know 210 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.279 when the Shane Black only script, I don't think. 211 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:45.519 It changed very much like that that the relationship between 212 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:46.639 the dott Yeah then, but. 213 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:51.200 Yeah, and the Penn Left script, Like the Arnold character 214 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:55.519 doesn't have enough personality to really have a relationship with Danny. 215 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.240 Okay, Yeah, I think they gave him a little bit 216 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.240 more personality in the in the Shane Black script, but 217 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.279 I don't know if they like did anything with their 218 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.240 relationship I don't know, we got it. I'll try to 219 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:10.279 find it. Yeah, but uh yeah, with Arnold ends up 220 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:12.240 telling The New York Times about the script, about the 221 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.240 uh the Shane Black script quote. They had created rhythm 222 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:17.960 and a pace and staggering action scenes. What I felt 223 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.039 was missing was the bond between this kid and his hero. Thankfully, 224 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.639 Arnold had a solution to fix all these problems. And 225 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.039 not only that, but he also told Columbia that he 226 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.200 was one hundred percent on board if they fulfilled his request. 227 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.240 All they had to do was bring him the head 228 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:38.799 of Robin Hood by the next four moon. Yeah. I 229 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.480 don't know. Columbia have told him like, Robin Hood's not 230 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.840 real man, which just like shock Arnold, who was like, wait, 231 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:46.879 what about the Fox one? You know, their Disney movie? 232 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:50.320 That's not real. Columbia didn't want to set him, so 233 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.120 they told Ronald no, no, that one's real. But he died 234 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:55.559 back in the fourteenth century. Yeah, so Arnold gave it 235 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:58.960 after they shot the movie. Yeah, romantics. So Arnold gave 236 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:01.399 like a dramatic sigh, like a disciplined like shuffle of 237 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:04.240 his feet. He's like, huh, all right, well, I guess 238 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:05.600 you know then he told him like he'd do the 239 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.919 movie if they hired William Goldman to do the rewrite 240 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:12.360 of the script in order to add like some emotional depth. Yeah, 241 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.000 stupid shit like that is why this takes me so long. 242 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.240 I was gonna ask well Worthy, right, I'm sure who 243 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.919 I'm sure? Uh like to anyone listening, by the way, 244 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:24.679 that the only thing that Arnold actually requested was the 245 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:27.840 rewrite rewrite by William Goldman. He did not ask for 246 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:31.000 the head of Robin Hood, to make that clear, because 247 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:32.799 you can't ask for something that you already own, you know. 248 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:35.679 He's like, I don't need the head, I want this heart. 249 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:40.440 I mean, what do you think that skull is? Actually? 250 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.759 Yeah, Okay, Arnold tells Columbia that he's in if they 251 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:50.679 get William Goldman, who had done an uncredited script polish 252 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:54.120 on the Twins script a few years prior, which I'm 253 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.759 sure that I totally mentioned when we cover Twins, because 254 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.120 there's no way I'd missed that during my ten minutes 255 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:04.000 of fucking research that was doing anyway. So apparently Goldman 256 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:08.120 was like one of the top script doctors for Hollywood. Yeah, 257 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.240 because in addition to Twins, Oh really about him? 258 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.480 No, no, no, William Goldman has a very famous book on 259 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:17.120 writing scripts. Yeah, I'm writing screenplays. 260 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:23.120 Yeah, yeah, I know. But yeah. So in addition to Twins, 261 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.960 he also did uncredited rewrites for a few good Men, 262 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.480 Indecent Proposal, and Dolores Claiborne, which I think is based 263 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:31.399 on a Stephen King book. 264 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:32.480 That is correct. 265 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:36.600 Okay, Yeah, so there was also a rumor that William 266 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:40.320 Goldman supposedly did rewrites on Goodwill Hunting as well, but 267 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.440 he denied that being true. And I only mentioned that 268 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.519 because when he was asked about the rumor that he 269 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.240 worked on it, he pointed out that it's not your 270 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.200 fault scene was like basically using that as proof of that, 271 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.039 Like he's like, I write that, Like come on, like, 272 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.960 there's no way already do that write that bullshit? Yeah, well, 273 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.879 he basically said, he's like, if you've been a therapy therapy, 274 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.039 if you've been a therapy before, you know that that's 275 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:06.279 not the way stuff works. Yeah, basically is what he said. 276 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:07.600 But about therapy. 277 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:11.200 To be fair, that scene was like not a real 278 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:12.720 therapy session like they had. 279 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.399 That's true, that's true. That would be your counter argument 280 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:19.039 when he gives that excuse it wasn't. 281 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.919 Robin Williams wasn't doing therapy exactly. He wasn't getting his friend, 282 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:25.559 his like adopted son. 283 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.039 That he was off the He was off the clock 284 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:30.159 at that point, so that would technically be kind of therapy. 285 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:31.759 The session hadn't started. 286 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:37.960 I called my therapist this week. Uh I basically I 287 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.559 told her her job as thought prostitution, which luckily she 288 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:42.519 thought that was funny. 289 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:47.360 What I don't even know what that means. 290 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:49.000 I mean, it's kind of a friend for hire. 291 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:54.759 So yes, that's what her job literally is. And luckily 292 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:56.960 she thought it was funny, and she was like, I 293 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.759 should change the name, like the description of my cards 294 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.559 to thought worker. And I started laughing so hard. 295 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.360 But thought, yeah, yeah exactly. 296 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.159 It was like I should have held my tongue on 297 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:10.559 that one. 298 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:17.360 This is quickly becoming a scientologist podcast. We're just joking around. 299 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:21.399 I watched are Laura and I watched Goodwill Hunting recently 300 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.679 to be very a little drunk. But I don't know, 301 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:30.000 watching it, like and knowing how old fucking Aflac and 302 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:34.320 Mad Demon were, I was like, they're they're too young 303 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:36.440 to write something this good. 304 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:41.279 I don't know that's exactly that was in his or not. 305 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.960 It was like some big statement that was like he 306 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.639 got asked at it like a like a he was 307 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:49.200 doing a speaking engagement. I think that was one of 308 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:51.720 the questions. But he that was one of the reasons 309 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:54.360 that Daddy said. He's like, people are always saying that 310 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.000 these there's no way these two wrote this. Yeah they 311 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.919 there was someone else. And he said that, sorry, couldn't 312 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:02.279 finish your finish what you're saying too. 313 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:05.879 Oh No, I was just gonna say, uh, I'm not 314 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:08.679 saying those two couldn't write it. I'm just saying it's 315 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:10.559 hard for me to imagine a bunch of twenty three 316 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:12.440 year olds writing it. It doesn't matter who the fuck 317 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.120 they are, you know, right. 318 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:18.720 That makes sure that makes more sense. Uh. He said 319 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.000 that people are yeah, like they're there's pretty actors anyway, 320 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:23.879 but uh he said that same did. 321 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.039 I'm just saying if he if he got paid, if 322 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:28.919 he got paid to write that movie, he also probably 323 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:30.600 got paid a lot of money to keep his fucking 324 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:31.120 mouth shut. 325 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:38.039 So the Oscar, Yeah, he said that they Rob Reiner 326 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:40.159 gave them like they showed the script to Rob Reiner 327 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.600 and he there used to be which I read and 328 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:44.039 I think I read in a cracked article, but there 329 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:44.919 used to be a bunch of. 330 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.720 Like stuff about either the CIA or the FBI, like 331 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.000 them trying to recruit uh, Matt Damon's character, which I 332 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.679 who is I yeah, good Will, I think it's his name, 333 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:58.600 and they were trying to recruit him, and Rob Renner 334 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:00.799 told him to cut that, and they were still like 335 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:02.840 hesitant about it, so he had them go talk to 336 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.240 William Goldman and he was also like, yeah, you need 337 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:07.319 to get rid of that. But otherwise, like focus on 338 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.920 like the relationship stuff, like the you know, the William 339 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:15.519 Goldman stuff. That's what he said on the William Goldman. 340 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:15.519 Of it all. 341 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:20.400 I mean, as we've seen, like I think the joke 342 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.319 back in the day was like I think even a 343 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:25.680 family guy did this too, where it was like, you know, 344 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.799 one of their ways scenes like imagin it. But those 345 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:32.279 two are writ in this script together, and you know, 346 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:34.400 Matt Damon's like I got to finish and afflex like 347 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.079 hitting a bogs like right cool, you know, like Affleck 348 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:39.599 didn't do anything. But it turns out it's kind of 349 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:41.759 the other way, like we've seen from fucking Affleck that 350 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.039 guy can make a fucking movie like he absolutely argo 351 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.880 it didn't he win. I know Ario won Best Picture, 352 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:51.720 but he won Best Director for that, And like, uh, 353 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:57.880 was it kill Baby Kills something like that? Yes, I 354 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:59.680 was getting that and kiss Kiss Bang Bang. 355 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:05.039 Kicks Like sounds like what fucking John Waters movie or whatever? 356 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.200 Uh faster Pussycat Killed something like that? 357 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:11.799 Yeah? 358 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:15.279 Yeah, like by the fucking the town, Like, yeah, the 359 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.079 boy knows how to fucking make movies. Like I think 360 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.720 we just kind of underestimated and associal in the day. 361 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:24.160 Come on, I eat, it was. 362 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:29.039 That Gus fans ant. No, I don't think it was 363 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.559 a good will hunting but I can't. 364 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:33.599 I don't know who it was, but it wasn't, I guess. 365 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:35.839 To bring it back to my original point, which already mentioned, 366 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:39.880 I am not saying that those two could not rate 367 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:44.640 that movie. I'm just very skeptical that too twenty three 368 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:47.599 year olds could write that sort of thing. 369 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:52.799 Yeah, yeah, which, yeah, it makes sense just because like 370 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:55.200 we're getting old enough to we're like, there's no way. 371 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:58.279 You know, you know, fucking dumb. I wasn't the time. 372 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:00.880 Wait, they probably are talking about Sure, I'm talking about 373 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:05.200 jerking off all the time. Okay, whose music is better 374 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:09.839 music talking about pitties? Wait? Shit, this is like the 375 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.839 shit out right now? Okay, well scratch all that. 376 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.079 Yeah, well there's only what one reference to using a 377 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:18.720 kesher's glove flat flat? 378 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:23.680 Yeah, come on. Yeah. So Goldman had a prety cell 379 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.079 list of credited work as well. He wrote nineteen sixty 380 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.279 nine's Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, which didn't watch 381 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.920 as well as this nineteen seventy six movie I guess, 382 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.000 I don't know. All the President's Men was one of 383 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:42.599 those called the doc docu dramas. It's a bio bio 384 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:46.960 historical drama, historical drama. Yeah, both of which won the 385 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:51.119 Oscar won him and Oscar Or, which he won an 386 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.799 Oscar for both. I haven't seen Butch Cassidy, but I 387 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:55.720 remember watching All the President's Men in high school and 388 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:58.680 being bored. But I was also pretty dumb, and it 389 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:01.400 was the nineties, and a the movie didn't start Jim Carrey, 390 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:03.880 so like, like, pay attention to it. 391 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:06.519 Come on, it's all the President's Men. It's not all 392 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:10.680 the presidents boobs, you know, are all the President's chicks? 393 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.559 Yeah? That was also like I'm like you didn't have 394 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:19.920 a boobs and the Robert Redford Dustin Hoffman what okay anyway. 395 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:21.240 I mean deep throat cut your attention. 396 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:25.519 But aside from that, yeah, things just got interesting once. 397 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:29.839 Yeah. Where's Linda Lovelace. 398 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:34.640 That's a very old Yeah, that's a reference older than you. 399 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:41.400 Yeah, but okay. So Goldman also wrote two hit movies 400 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.079 about about a decade later, one of which was adapted 401 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:46.000