Speaker 1: Lilah Lovely my guest for the evening. You know exactly
Speaker 1: where you can find her at Lilah Underscore Lovely or
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Speaker 1: otherwise they don't come on anymore. Lila, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on tonight.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Let me start with the basic boring where it always begins.
Speaker 1: How did you initially decide to get into the adult
Speaker 1: entertainment industry in whatever form it was with us stripping camming,
Speaker 1: you went right into shooting gang bang scenes, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: When did you make your entrance from the quote unquote
Speaker 1: vanilla world into the world you work in now.
Speaker 3: I got into this in a transition period of my life,
Speaker 3: and I got into it later in life.
Speaker 2: I was thirty five years old when I began.
Speaker 3: And at that time I was out of like kind
Speaker 3: of freshly out of a divorce, and I was I
Speaker 3: had moved from the Midwest back to the West Coast,
Speaker 3: and I was a single mom, and I was like
Speaker 3: needing some work, needing some pickup work because it's hard
Speaker 3: out there right, And I worked in the spa industry
Speaker 3: previous to this. I was a massage therapist an esthetician
Speaker 3: and I did that for over fifteen years. So I
Speaker 3: was just kind of looking for like massages, like some
Speaker 3: gigs that I could kind of like do to fill
Speaker 3: in and get a little bit cash here and there.
Speaker 3: And I was came across an ad on Craigslist and
Speaker 3: it was said models wanted any age, any size.
Speaker 2: Piqued my interest.
Speaker 3: I was already kind of sewing my wild outs, doing
Speaker 3: the kind of like fet life thing and just kind
Speaker 3: of like just kind of figuring out what I liked.
Speaker 2: So I went and I did. I talked to these people.
Speaker 3: It was a couple and they were out of like
Speaker 3: southern California. I was in San Diego at that time.
Speaker 3: And I went to their house and they were shooting
Speaker 3: BBW fetish clips. I didn't even know what BBW meant
Speaker 3: seeing about anything, but I did some clips, like some
Speaker 3: solo stuff, some just like really simple stuff. And then
Speaker 3: like I went there a few different times and they
Speaker 3: are basically like I think you should like you're really
Speaker 3: good at this, you should like do this, and you know,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I'm sure, you say that to everyone,
Speaker 3: you know, But yeah, that was my beginning and it
Speaker 3: really just kind of took off really quick after that.
Speaker 1: So let me ask, and this is not not to
Speaker 1: poke holes at all. The Craigslist d said any size,
Speaker 1: But then you got there and it was a BBW. Shoot,
Speaker 1: what if it was like a ninety five pound girl
Speaker 1: coming going it said any size?
Speaker 3: Well I did, so I did speak to her ahead
Speaker 3: of time, so we did go over some of those details.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me okay, all right, I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: bigger guy, right, I've always been. Does it offend you
Speaker 1: if someone says BBW at all? I wouldn't think it.
Speaker 1: It's a classification, but it's you know, beautiful is in
Speaker 1: the name, Like are you you cool with that niche
Speaker 1: or fetish or yeah.
Speaker 3: And there's different like avenues to people's appreciations. Some people
Speaker 3: really get into like like the fat fetish and like
Speaker 3: the like feeding and like all of that stuff. And
Speaker 3: then some people just like appreciate a full figured woman totally,
Speaker 3: you know. So there's like a lot of variables there.
Speaker 3: And to be honest, when I started doing that, I
Speaker 3: didn't know that men appreciated women of size I thought
Speaker 3: y'all just wanted skinny girls.
Speaker 2: I really didn't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand that there was a whole, like, you know,
Speaker 3: category of men that like appreciated this. So it really
Speaker 3: opened my eyes and started to make me feel so
Speaker 3: much more comfortable with myself.
Speaker 1: That's that's actually really encouraging to hear. I've heard so
Speaker 1: many times that the adult industry or porn or whatever
Speaker 1: has given. I am blown away by the amount of
Speaker 1: women I interview who have just been in the most
Speaker 1: like you know, out there crazy scenes and I go, so,
Speaker 1: you must be a serious extrovert, and they go, oh, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm a total introvert. I like to stay at home
Speaker 1: and this and that. Is that your personality at all?
Speaker 1: Or no, No, I'm a little bit of both. I'm
Speaker 1: like a happy medium. I like, I like a prop
Speaker 1: Now I'm older and I like to just be in
Speaker 1: the house. But like when I was younger, I like
Speaker 1: to be outside and I like to like be out
Speaker 1: there doing stuff, and I do. I like, I can
Speaker 1: only be in the house.
Speaker 3: Along and I'm like, all right, I need to get
Speaker 3: out and I need to see people and socialize. And
Speaker 3: I go to the gym, every day, so I at
Speaker 3: least do that, but like no, I would say, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of a combo both.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. When you initially got into this, it's
Speaker 1: funny because your previous career it seems related, but it's
Speaker 1: not related. So my question was going to be what
Speaker 1: did you take from your previous career into this? And
Speaker 1: as you say, and I'm wondering, is it sensuality, is
Speaker 1: it being able to set the mood, like what did
Speaker 1: you take from the missus and esthetician and all of
Speaker 1: that world into the adult world.
Speaker 3: Well that in combination with me being a theater girl,
Speaker 3: and I know you've heard that a few times too
Speaker 3: during interviews, so it's satisfied a lot of my interests already.
Speaker 3: Being comfortable with bodies on nudity is I don't really
Speaker 3: think twice about it. You know, bodies are bodies, and
Speaker 3: I've seen so many different body types being a body
Speaker 3: worker and a massage therapist that going into sex work
Speaker 3: just just felt really natural.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't like put.
Speaker 3: Off by any of that, like ooh, like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, look at him kind of you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just it really kind of felt like
Speaker 3: a natural thing for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and I guess you also take with
Speaker 1: you there is yes, bodies, nudity, this and that, but
Speaker 1: there's a professionalism that comes with that as well. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are people, most likely men, who get
Speaker 1: into this industry and like, not all of them at all.
Speaker 1: I'm saying there's a couple or a few probably who
Speaker 1: get in and be like that's a free for all. That. No,
Speaker 1: it's a business. This is a job, you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, this is how you pay
Speaker 1: your bills, and this is how this guy pays his bills.
Speaker 1: Fucking do the job or don't pay your bills, I guess, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. You said you had gotten
Speaker 1: out of a relationship and then got into this industry.
Speaker 1: Is this just a one eighty from your personality prior
Speaker 1: to that or had you always been like, you know,
Speaker 1: flirty or I sound like a ninety year old man
Speaker 1: when I say promiscuous, but I think you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Had it been like that? Or if someone
Speaker 1: who knew you ten years ago saw you doing what
Speaker 1: you do now, would they be like, what the fuck happened?
Speaker 2: What she?
Speaker 1: What is she doing?
Speaker 3: Like I think that they probably are shocked by it.
Speaker 3: I wasn't like the I didn't date a lot. I
Speaker 3: always had like long term boyfriend friends, and I was.
Speaker 2: Always like that girl.
Speaker 3: And but I've always been very outspoken and I've always
Speaker 3: done like theater and public speaking and things like that.
Speaker 3: So I think they might see it and be like,
Speaker 3: I get it though, you know, shocked, but like mmmm, okay,
Speaker 3: that kind of tracks.
Speaker 1: So I also do a sideshow that I interview new
Speaker 1: girls coming into the industry. And I spoke to a
Speaker 1: girl last night and number one thing she hates and
Speaker 1: can't stand is all of the acting prior to the
Speaker 1: actual scene shooting, you know, the action. I'm thinking, you
Speaker 1: love that aspect the right.
Speaker 2: I do love it. I do love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 3: So I'm happy when I get booked for like a
Speaker 3: scene and I get to use that part of me.
Speaker 1: So far, what are your favorite roles to play?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm usually thrown into a milf type like
Speaker 3: mommy roll, so I mean that can be fun. You can,
Speaker 3: you know, just have have a lot of creative liberty
Speaker 3: with that. I mean I've played a lot of little
Speaker 3: silly things. I've worn like prosthetic pregnancy suits. I've done,
Speaker 3: you know, naughty Secretary before. I don't know so many things.
Speaker 1: Is there any role that you really want to dig
Speaker 1: your teeth into and like learn, Like do you want
Speaker 1: to play like I don't know, a general contractor and
Speaker 1: you have to come in and set all the contracts
Speaker 1: while being fucked obviously, but you have to make sure
Speaker 1: everyone's on time, and you're calling people and you're like,
Speaker 1: you gotta get Johnson over here. He's got to connect
Speaker 1: the point. Okay, I'm getting fucked told on. Do you
Speaker 1: have Do you have any like grand ambitions or anything
Speaker 1: of that for a role to play in this industry?
Speaker 1: Have you ever shot a feature too? Can I guess that?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've done like a future per se.
Speaker 3: I mean I've shot for brawsers a good number of times,
Speaker 3: Reality Kings score quite a few companies. Sure, so a
Speaker 3: lot of those, like ad scenes that are on porn Hub.
Speaker 3: Sure you'll see that running across. So there's that, you know.
Speaker 2: I like to I like to be a mommy dom.
Speaker 3: I like to I like to get into like my
Speaker 3: femdom side of me. So I'd love to get onto
Speaker 3: a pro femdom set and really kind of show that
Speaker 3: part off more.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people that get into femdom
Speaker 1: again more from the new side, the girls getting in,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like they look at that like it's
Speaker 1: and there's no offense to them and they will learn eventually,
Speaker 1: but they look at it almost like that's kind of
Speaker 1: the easy way to go in, Like I'll come in
Speaker 1: and I'll just be mean to guys and I'll do
Speaker 1: this and that. Then I've talked to real femdoms and
Speaker 1: real people who have experienced in this. Do you have
Speaker 1: I guess you're an actress, so you do have the ability.
Speaker 1: You seem very sweet. Do you have the ability to
Speaker 1: get tough with a guy and fucking put them? Is
Speaker 1: that the Midwest thing in you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, definitely am Midwest nice. That's still in me.
Speaker 3: But I one of the downfalls of being in the
Speaker 3: industry is you see a really ugly side of and
Speaker 3: a nasty side of like people, and you have to
Speaker 3: start to put down some really firm boundaries and you
Speaker 3: can't be afraid of that.
Speaker 2: It's really important.
Speaker 3: So I've really learned how to use that voice and
Speaker 3: be really confident in studying really firm boundaries, and with
Speaker 3: that confidence in those boundaries, some men really get turned
Speaker 3: on by that and they really like that. So that's
Speaker 3: where that dominant side could come out even more so.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you what one or two boundaries you
Speaker 1: may have added since you started in the industry. Is
Speaker 1: there something you'll just be like, no, not doing that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean there's certain sex acts that I started out doing,
Speaker 3: Like I started doing anal, Like right out the gate,
Speaker 3: I'm doing anal, but I like doing that, like I
Speaker 3: enjoyed it in my personal life. I didn't understand it
Speaker 3: was something to be coveted at all. I didn't know
Speaker 3: anything really about the porn industry getting into it. I
Speaker 3: was just kind of like, wait, I'm having fun, and
Speaker 3: I've pulled the reins back on a lot of that, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that right now. That's for that's for
Speaker 3: my home life, you know, save some stuff for home.
Speaker 3: So I just have learned to like be okay with
Speaker 3: putting those personal boundaries down. And some fans might get annoyed,
Speaker 3: but I think fans at the end of the day
Speaker 3: appreciate that even more because I'm being realistic about things.
Speaker 1: Yes, sure, sure, now is that a okay? On anal?
Speaker 1: Is that a firm boundary like you are not going
Speaker 1: to do scenes anymore or right opportunity time?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, I'm just not doing it right now, so I'll
Speaker 3: do solo or if it was like a girl girl something, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I'm just not doing boy girl.
Speaker 1: Ana totally totally? Is that okay? All right? Yeah, no
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Can I guess what was your first
Speaker 1: boy girl shoot and how different did it feel to
Speaker 1: you than the modeling shoots you had done early on
Speaker 1: where you knew like this was going to happen.
Speaker 3: It was it was with that first couple that I
Speaker 3: started doing those clips with. We started shooting for a
Speaker 3: couple of months, so it just kind of progressed from
Speaker 3: like solo and then it like went into a boy
Speaker 3: girl soon after that.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right? How long did it take you to
Speaker 1: become comfortable in front of the camera or I guess
Speaker 1: with your theater background, were you always I mean.
Speaker 3: That wasn't really a ca I mean that was or
Speaker 3: like you know, that was an audience, so yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: I'm familiar, I'm comfortable in front of people and audiences.
Speaker 1: No tension or nerves when you were gonna do those
Speaker 1: first shoots.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, a little bit of like natural nerves,
Speaker 3: but nothing like nothing crazy. I had some really great,
Speaker 3: like first experiences with sets and stuff, and they just
Speaker 3: make you make sure you feel really comfortable, especially if
Speaker 3: they know that you're new.
Speaker 1: I wily ask you to call anyone out by name, obviously,
Speaker 1: but you've been on some good sets, I can assume,
Speaker 1: maybe I assume anyone who's been in the industry this
Speaker 1: long has been on some bad sets as well. What
Speaker 1: is the difference between a good set and a bad set?
Speaker 1: And what can a bad set do to turn it
Speaker 1: around and just make it better? Are there any like
Speaker 1: little simple fixes that drive you fucking nuts on a
Speaker 1: bad set?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, let me just think about how.
Speaker 1: I think about what. Yeah, totally, I get it.
Speaker 3: Having the right amenities is huge, and having clean amenities
Speaker 3: is key. You know.
Speaker 2: I've been to houses that are it's a shoot house.
Speaker 3: In the bathroom is nasty, showers grow like you don't
Speaker 3: want to touch a shower curtain.
Speaker 2: It's just like, come on, that's like the most easy
Speaker 2: thing you could.
Speaker 3: Do, you know, is go to wall. Even if you
Speaker 3: don't have a big budget, you can fake it. You
Speaker 3: can fake it till you make it. I don't care.
Speaker 3: Go get a two dollars fresh shower liner for these girls.
Speaker 3: That's easy, you know what I mean? Just like really
Speaker 3: simple things, just upgrading the furniture that you use. We
Speaker 3: all know that it's being used over and over and
Speaker 3: over again. If it's an upholstery situation, swap it out,
Speaker 3: swap it out. It's really not that hard. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's all just little things like that to make a
Speaker 3: big difference when you're going on sets.
Speaker 1: Totally totally gross. But okay, I can't really ask it
Speaker 1: then because then it might get too specific. I was
Speaker 1: I was going to ask what the worst set you
Speaker 1: were on, but you just described I mean pretty much what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would just be kind of a generalization of
Speaker 3: some like not great conditions.
Speaker 1: Okay, totally fair. Uh, let me ask you what is
Speaker 1: the most challenging shoot you've been a part of. Not
Speaker 1: necessarily it's negative challenging for you, whether you were worried
Speaker 1: about handling the male talent, whether it was too many,
Speaker 1: if if you had concerns about wardrobe or anything like that, Like,
Speaker 1: what was the most challenging time you've had in this industry,
Speaker 1: and then again not necessarily negative at all, just like this.
Speaker 2: Is going to be some.
Speaker 3: I think maybe the one I always bring that one
Speaker 3: up with the press, the wearing the pregnancy like a
Speaker 3: cross sthetic, because there was a lot of like parks
Speaker 3: to that scene.
Speaker 2: So it was like they wanted, you know, squirting.
Speaker 3: And I've got this suit on and there was like
Speaker 3: a lot of people in the scene, so it was
Speaker 3: just a lot of moving parts.
Speaker 2: It's all I would have to say.
Speaker 3: But overall, I don't do a lot of group scenes,
Speaker 3: and I've always been independent. I don't have an agent
Speaker 3: that books my scenes for me, so I'm really been
Speaker 3: in control of everything that I've been a part of.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, if I go to your Only Fans
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Speaker 2: There's two of them.
Speaker 1: There's two of them. But I'm sending people. You go
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Speaker 1: right now, you're getting this for free, so go pay
Speaker 1: for that. Okay, just go do that. If I sign
Speaker 1: up for your only fans. What am I going to see?
Speaker 1: Do I get?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it the daily updates of your life? Is it
Speaker 1: like more personal feel is it more polished like once
Speaker 1: a month we put out this big video. Do you
Speaker 1: have any like structure to your only fans or is
Speaker 1: it just kind of what you're feeling?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's quite a bit of structure to it.
Speaker 2: But you get more of a personalized experience.
Speaker 3: So if you want to like sex and chat, I'm
Speaker 3: there online to second do all that. Some people don't
Speaker 3: know exactly what they're looking for, Like they want a video,
Speaker 3: but they can't you know, they don't know what They
Speaker 3: don't maybe know my library of content yet, so I
Speaker 3: can help guide them through, like hey, let me put
Speaker 3: together a bundle, or you know, I think you might
Speaker 3: like this, or what are you into? So it's a
Speaker 3: lot more personalized experience than if you were just going
Speaker 3: to subscribe to like the website or buy a video
Speaker 3: off of many VIDs or something like that.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, all right, but what kind of Okay, so
Speaker 1: you're directing them and stuff like that. What kind of
Speaker 1: content content?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you producing? I mean, is it like again like
Speaker 1: daily weekly pictures or like say, I'm going through my
Speaker 1: timeline right now. There's Lilah looks great as always, and
Speaker 1: what am I saying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit of everything, daily updated photos. I
Speaker 3: do Boy Girl videos, so I don't do a ton
Speaker 3: of those during the year anymore so.
Speaker 2: But I've I've been ramping it up lately.
Speaker 3: So right now it's kind of been like once a
Speaker 3: month there's a new boy Girl video coming in between
Speaker 3: that solo stuff.
Speaker 2: Like, guys just love solo stuff, whether.
Speaker 3: It's a joy or a shower video or something of
Speaker 3: just me like seductively stripping, okay, side dishes.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I dabble in all kinds of different stuff.
Speaker 2: Give more variety.
Speaker 1: This is going to be such a stupid question. How
Speaker 1: do you keep talking during solo videos? I feel I do.
Speaker 1: I host a show. I've done two hundred episodes of this.
Speaker 1: I feel like if I had to, like dirty, I
Speaker 1: would get to about thirty seconds in and be like,
Speaker 1: what else do you guys want?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: How do you just keep it going?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sometimes I do have to like look at other
Speaker 3: stuff to get a little bit of inspiration. Like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I've said this so many times over and over, you know,
Speaker 3: chat GPT helpful, and it's actually an adult version of
Speaker 3: that that you can say like, hey, I want to
Speaker 3: create this video this kind of like the tone that
Speaker 3: I wanted to be, and they'll like, it'll write up
Speaker 3: like a script for you. It's really cool. So there's
Speaker 3: tools to help you come up with it. But I
Speaker 3: don't know, you just kind of like, after a while, it.
Speaker 1: Just kind of becomes second nature. You're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll move into the com talk over here and blah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, uh okay. Do you have any personal turn
Speaker 1: ons that you would like to incorporate more into your content?
Speaker 1: I assume you shoot what you like. I know every
Speaker 1: girl I've interviewed kind of has a thing of I
Speaker 1: shoot the content I like, and then I shoot what
Speaker 1: also makes money over here and whatever. But is there
Speaker 1: anything you've either yet to do, or if you've only
Speaker 1: dipped your toe in where it's a niche or a
Speaker 1: fetish or something you want to explore possibly going forward.
Speaker 3: I did just shoot with brick Zilla, so he was
Speaker 3: someone who I've been wanting to shoot with for my fans.
Speaker 3: I've shot with some other like big guys in the past,
Speaker 3: and then, like I said, I had take it a
Speaker 3: little slow down on hardcore content, and now I'm ramping
Speaker 3: back up. So I feel like I've also had body
Speaker 3: changes over the years too, and a lot of new fans,
Speaker 3: and with these body changes, so I wanted to show
Speaker 3: them what I still can do, not what I used
Speaker 3: to do. So that's why I'm starting to life put
Speaker 3: myself back out there and be like, yeah, I do
Speaker 3: still do this and I am still that girl.
Speaker 1: Can I give you a compliment? That's gonna sound like
Speaker 1: an insult, and I am not good with women, so
Speaker 1: it's gonna sound really stupid.
Speaker 2: All right, let's have it.
Speaker 1: The glow up on your hair? Since are there some
Speaker 1: of the early scenes? Yeah, beautiful. There was one I
Speaker 1: saw and you still look hot and you still look gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a great scene, but I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: that is a Wisconsin haircut. Speaking as a guy from
Speaker 1: New Jersey, Okay, that is a whisk content haircut. And
Speaker 1: I have seen I also snuck around and saw your
Speaker 1: workout either Instagram or Twitter. I forget which one it was,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you bust your ass and you know you
Speaker 1: always look good, but you're right, everything has tightened up.
Speaker 1: You look awesome. You look incredible. Do you feel better?
Speaker 3: So much better? So much better. I'm such a healthier
Speaker 3: version of myself than I was when I began in
Speaker 3: this industry.
Speaker 2: I get.
Speaker 3: I know, I began as like a bigger girl, and
Speaker 3: that's where like a lot of my fans come from.
Speaker 3: But I honestly do get offended when they're like I
Speaker 3: get fans are like, M, I respect you working out,
Speaker 3: but I liked you better before, And I'm like, bro, like,
Speaker 3: that's not sustainable.
Speaker 2: It's not sustainable.
Speaker 3: I'm older, I can't I can't carry weight like that
Speaker 3: and be a healthy person.
Speaker 2: And I'm such a better version of myself. So it
Speaker 2: is what it is. But yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: You know the greatest example of that. I interviewed her
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, Dee d White formally Sekah Black,
Speaker 1: seventy one years old, in infinitely better shape than I
Speaker 1: am right now. Love, She's so cool, She's just the
Speaker 1: greatest personality. I'll give you a little behind the scenes
Speaker 1: scoop on this. It was so cute her and a
Speaker 1: gentleman that was helping her. I don't know what to say, Uh,
Speaker 1: we're doing the zoom thing beforehand They're like, I can't
Speaker 1: get the screen to be full. And I was just like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is like my grandma, but she fucks a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes all the time. Good for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ran into I had a couple family members.
Speaker 3: I have a couple of cousins that I'm really close with,
Speaker 3: and I brought them to an event down here in
Speaker 3: South Beach and she was at the event and we
Speaker 3: had a room one night at the Ritz Carlton and
Speaker 3: she's there hanging out and they're like, wow, look at
Speaker 3: that woman, like they had no anything.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yo, shit that, let me tell
Speaker 2: you about that. They couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: That is so funny. What did you did you just think?
Speaker 1: I mean, if this is too personal, please it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I'll talk all day about so have you been gang banged?
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. If this is too personal, please stop
Speaker 1: me to change the diet, just tight the gym more.
Speaker 1: I lost about seventy pounds last year because someone told
Speaker 1: me I couldn't fuck it, and it was it was. Yes,
Speaker 1: the back feels better, the fucking everything. You don't cramp
Speaker 1: up all the time, the knees don't hurt. What did
Speaker 1: you do to change your lifestyle?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so COVID either made you or break or you know,
Speaker 3: it was like make it or break it kind of situations.
Speaker 3: So I kind of like got into my health and
Speaker 3: I started like working out.
Speaker 2: I got a trainer, and then.
Speaker 3: I decided to go get mommy makeover. So I did
Speaker 3: have a tummy tuck and I got a BBL and
Speaker 3: that just continue to motivate me. And I see a
Speaker 3: lot of women getting their bodies done and then they
Speaker 3: don't like maintain it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look great. I really didn't want them, Like,
Speaker 2: if I'm going to do this, I want to look good.
Speaker 2: I want it to like look right.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I want to take care of myself. So I've just
Speaker 3: been super committed and staying in the gym. And again,
Speaker 3: I'm getting older and I I don't want someone to
Speaker 3: have to take care of me. I don't want to
Speaker 3: have to use a device to get around when I'm
Speaker 3: eighty years old. I want to have a strong body
Speaker 3: for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: You want to be D. D. White exactly, still working
Speaker 1: in your seventies. I can't imagine I'm going to be
Speaker 1: dead before seventy one and she's out there fucking doing
Speaker 1: gang bangs and stuff. You Okay, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: really awkward if you got into like a big fight
Speaker 1: with her yesterday and you're not friends anymore. Maybe you're
Speaker 1: not friends, I don't know. Maybe you just work together.
Speaker 1: I have seen you at Exotica. I believe with Sarah Ja. Yep,
Speaker 1: m Sarah Jay agreed to come on this show when
Speaker 1: I had two episodes in I had like no followers,
Speaker 1: no listeners. She sat with me for an hour. She talked,
Speaker 1: great conversation. She seems like you didn't get in a
Speaker 1: huge fight with her and you hate her now right? No, okay, good.
Speaker 1: She seems like a giving person in this industry. Have
Speaker 1: you only worked with her a little bit or is
Speaker 1: she someone that like has helped you at all through
Speaker 1: this or.
Speaker 3: Sit we've got I've worked I have one scene with her,
Speaker 3: and we had met like at an awards show, I
Speaker 3: think initially, and then now we have a lot of
Speaker 3: mutual friends. So that has brought us closer in the
Speaker 3: last few years.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, is there anyone that you consider, like,
Speaker 1: not necessarily a mentor, but is there anyone in the
Speaker 1: industry you kind of look up to and you're like,
Speaker 1: I want to do more what they're doing, or I
Speaker 1: want to ask them how they're doing this, or I
Speaker 1: think this is interesting that they did.
Speaker 3: My good friend Sophia Rose, She's always been somebody that
Speaker 3: I've looked up to and try to kind of model
Speaker 3: my career after how she's kind of operated. So I
Speaker 3: really I was like, I like how she's kind of
Speaker 3: set the tone for things. I like the boundaries that
Speaker 3: she set. She's We're very similar people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what what kind of Oh you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a little thing I do called stat check.
Speaker 1: So these numbers are going to be wrong. I'm just
Speaker 1: putting that out there right now. This is from the
Speaker 1: Internet Adult Film Database. I just like using it as
Speaker 1: kind of a milestone or a checkpoint. These are the
Speaker 1: stats that are on your career right now, and then
Speaker 1: a year from now, we'll look at it and you'll
Speaker 1: be drowning in Avian Awards and we'll just go remember
Speaker 1: when that was it? Oh boy? So for scenes, I
Speaker 1: have that you have shot one hundred and thirty seven scenes. Guys,
Speaker 1: you've worked with forty one girls. You've worked with twenty
Speaker 1: nine nominations for Avian Awards. I apologize seven because you
Speaker 1: have other wins. No wins yet? Is that correct for Avian? No,
Speaker 1: they're tough, man, They're real tough.
Speaker 3: It's you gotta be bringing in money to them, fair enough?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you bring money into them?
Speaker 2: There's so many different ways?
Speaker 1: Is it shootings? I don't even know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I can't really say specifically, and I don't
Speaker 3: want to, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally fair. Okay, Well they should, they should recognize
Speaker 1: people like you. I'll just put it that way. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about the future. Where do you see this
Speaker 1: career going. Do you have a cutoff point where you go,
Speaker 1: I've made this much money, I'm ready to move on
Speaker 1: to a new venture. Obviously, I'm just saying from your
Speaker 1: standpoint here, no way to predict where it goes. Are
Speaker 1: you like, if I do this and I just get
Speaker 1: tired of it one day, I'm okay, just walking away?
Speaker 1: Do you want to be doing this until you're eighty
Speaker 1: years old? Like D D. White? As we said, what
Speaker 1: is your plan going forward in this industry?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of possibilities with AI as
Speaker 3: I get older, I don't always. Lilah can live on
Speaker 3: forever in my eyes, and I can always monetize off
Speaker 3: of Lilah lovely, and she could be legacy down to
Speaker 3: my children, you know what I mean. So I feel
Speaker 3: like I've put in so much into this now I
Speaker 3: have such a huge library of content. I'm continuing to
Speaker 3: do that. I still feel great as a performer. I'll
Speaker 3: continue to do that until I don't feel great, and
Speaker 3: when it naturally feels like maybe I'm going to like taper.
Speaker 2: Back off, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I don't necessarily have like a specific plan. I'm
Speaker 3: very much like, let's kind of to see how things
Speaker 3: go and how I feel. And I feel that I
Speaker 3: actually have that freedom to do that with this.
Speaker 1: I like that that you embrace the AI thing, because
Speaker 1: I think I have a more pessimistic view. My concern
Speaker 1: is they go to these well, whatever they are, some
Speaker 1: of them aren't even like Schoot mainstream stuff or anything.
Speaker 1: Ten million followers, twenty million followers on Instagram, and they
Speaker 1: just go sell us your rights and you don't ever
Speaker 1: have to do anything again. We'll just make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you will still benefit from that. You obviously
Speaker 1: are big enough but I wonder if that's going to
Speaker 1: screw over newer people coming in or people who are
Speaker 1: more like, not in a negative way, in like more
Speaker 1: of a mid tier, you know, where they're not the
Speaker 1: most popular person, but they're also not a newbie or
Speaker 1: anything like that.
Speaker 2: I don't think. So.
Speaker 3: I think that there's still men that don't want that,
Speaker 3: that actually want real like. I think the more we
Speaker 3: get that, the more people are going to crave actual
Speaker 3: human connection and seek that out. So I think that
Speaker 3: you're going to have both. Some guys don't care. I mean,
Speaker 3: you see these Instagram accounts that are AI women and
Speaker 3: they got tons of love followers.
Speaker 2: They don't care. They don't care. He's a hot she's
Speaker 2: a hot female form. That's all they care. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, you know what I mean. I can be
Speaker 2: a pessimist about it too, but I'm trying to look
Speaker 2: at it in ways that I can use it for myself,
Speaker 2: and it's not going to go away.
Speaker 1: So sure, I think. Yeah, Like I said, I think
Speaker 1: you're going to totally be fine. And you have a
Speaker 1: you know, catalog, like you've talked about of stuff that
Speaker 1: you could draw from that if you want it to.
Speaker 1: I think it's our studios, and I'm not asking you
Speaker 1: to talk bad about it. I only know because I've
Speaker 1: seen it on Twitter a few times. Are studios trying
Speaker 1: to get people to sign away their rights as well
Speaker 1: to some of those things.
Speaker 3: I haven't a thing yet, so I'm not a huge
Speaker 3: I don't work in studios constantly to like hear those things,
Speaker 3: so I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha? Gotcha? I think, like I said, I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: I'll be an optimist with you and say it'll be
Speaker 1: better and this and that. I think I think those
Speaker 1: mid tier girls will get hurt a little bit in
Speaker 1: that possibly possibly new girls. Everyone always wants to see
Speaker 1: someone new coming in or whatever. Established stars like yourself,
Speaker 1: but who knows. None of us actually know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's a mystery.
Speaker 1: This is a weird question, especially because you said you
Speaker 1: can shoot a bunch of group scenes. But I always
Speaker 1: ask this, what constitutes a gang bang to you? How
Speaker 1: many people constitution this is contentious?
Speaker 3: By the way, it is because I have one that
Speaker 3: I sell as a gang bang, but it's with three guys. Now,
Speaker 3: some would say that's not that is not a gang bang.
Speaker 3: I think I think they say four is the minimum.
Speaker 1: What do you think I would say? Three? Okay, By
Speaker 1: the way, if people go back in previous episodes, you'll
Speaker 1: hear me being like, nothing less than five as you're
Speaker 1: saying it. No, I think three is entirely reasonable. It's
Speaker 1: not a threesome. It's a step up from that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they're really not the easiest to coordinate on
Speaker 3: your on your own. It's really not easy to find
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys. It isn't It's not an easy thing.
Speaker 3: So I had more planned for that day, but three
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: We ended up with.
Speaker 1: Wow, oh what I mean? It is just people bailing
Speaker 1: at the last minute? Or do people get cold feet
Speaker 1: in the industry. It was like during.
Speaker 3: Like expis Miami, like years ago, and it was like,
Speaker 3: you know, the guys are in and out of the
Speaker 3: room and like, yeah, I'll do it, and then it
Speaker 3: was like taking forever to do all the paperwork and
Speaker 3: stuff and by the time like we get to it,
Speaker 3: oh he left or he you know, it's just.
Speaker 2: That Hut.
Speaker 1: Did you realize that so much of the it's so
Speaker 1: you mentioned the paperwork there. I always ask this question too,
Speaker 1: Did you realize that like five percent of this job
Speaker 1: was having sex and the rest was everything else that
Speaker 1: comes with it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I don't think most people don't
Speaker 3: realize that because it is it's just it's you're barely
Speaker 3: fucking compared to what you think, you know, it's everything else.
Speaker 1: Sure, totally ignorant outside perspective. I go, oh, Lila goes in,
Speaker 1: she has sex with the guys, she comes home, she
Speaker 1: gets paid, you know, forty million dollars, and everything's good.
Speaker 1: Like guys from the outside probably see that and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: triple anal. Yeah, definitely made about forty million on that one.
Speaker 1: I would assume, not quite like that, right, You show up,
Speaker 1: sign a bunch of papers, Yeah, start having sex and
Speaker 1: one position, pause, move the camera, move lighting, if possible,
Speaker 1: do it again for Is that kind of the gist
Speaker 1: of like I understand and you say you don't work
Speaker 1: in a ton of mainstream as much anymore, But is
Speaker 1: that kind of the gist of what a being on
Speaker 1: a porn set is?
Speaker 2: Oh, like mechanical like that?
Speaker 1: I mean obviously there's like you know, joking and passion
Speaker 1: and stuff. I'm not saying like everyone's a Russian robot person,
Speaker 1: but yeah, is it a little more like we got
Speaker 1: to go through this step now and we got to
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 3: It depends on the company because some companies are very
Speaker 3: specific and they have key shots that they need to grab,
Speaker 3: so they have to make sure, oh, we got to
Speaker 3: get this key shot, and then they'll get it from
Speaker 3: like multiple angles, so you're gonna get You're gonna go
Speaker 3: over that shot a bunch of times. So sometimes yeah,
Speaker 3: it can It can just be like I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: this that.
Speaker 2: But it's so cool though.
Speaker 1: All right, last question I have for you, and this
Speaker 1: one is also contentious and surprises me the answers I get.
Speaker 1: You're a person who got into the industry a little
Speaker 1: not later in life, not like sake of Black Dedie White,
Speaker 1: but little later in life than the girl that gets
Speaker 1: in at nineteen or whatever. Right, Yeah, what is the
Speaker 1: age that people should be able to get into porn?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they should be able to do it
Speaker 3: at eighteen? Okay, you're an adult. Then, sure, you're you're
Speaker 3: an adult. Will I work with an eighteen year old? No,
Speaker 3: I'm not comfortable with that. I understand there's a lot
Speaker 3: of growth in maturing that that needs to happen for
Speaker 3: them to make some like real good decisions in life decisions.
Speaker 3: So but I also know that like some people come
Speaker 3: from like really shitty backgrounds, and sex work is a
Speaker 3: means of them being able to get away from that,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So some girls.
Speaker 3: It really like it helps them survive and it helps
Speaker 3: pull them out of really bad situations.
Speaker 1: So I totally get that too. The conversation I've been
Speaker 1: having around that is I've always said this, if you're
Speaker 1: old enough to go die in war somewhere at eighteen,
Speaker 1: you're old enough to shoot porn, Like, come on, get
Speaker 1: the fuck if you can go, get the death penalty,
Speaker 1: you're allowed to shoot porn. But the more and more
Speaker 1: performers I talk to, so many of them, some of
Speaker 1: them got in at eighteen, I'll say, twenty one, do
Speaker 1: twenty one. I understand what you're saying too. I don't
Speaker 1: want to take away someone's ability to make money. That's
Speaker 1: not But the other problem with it is number doesn't
Speaker 1: really account for it, because there's eighteen year olds who
Speaker 1: are so wise and smart and have their shit down,
Speaker 1: and there's forty year olds who have no fucking idea
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Right, completely, So it's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 1: I think what I liked, and again I don't give
Speaker 1: a shit. Do whatever you want as long as there's
Speaker 1: no dogs or kids in the room. I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck what you do if you're an adult. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I think a nice little mid ground I've been
Speaker 1: finding with mainstream performers lately is maybe eighteen to twenty one.
Speaker 1: You do cam stuff or solo stuff or this and that,
Speaker 1: get a little business experience under your belt, Understand what
Speaker 1: your worth is, what your worth would be for shooting scenes,
Speaker 1: and then hey, you hit twenty one, you go out
Speaker 1: there and shoot.
Speaker 2: That might be a better progression of things.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I don't care. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, do what you want to do if you're legal. Right,
Speaker 1: Shay up, ladies and gentlemen. My guest tonight, Lilah Lovely.
Speaker 1: You can find her at Onlylilah dot com, and most importantly,
Speaker 1: you know exactly where you can find her only fans
Speaker 1: at Lilah Underscore Lovely links to everything in the episode description,
Speaker 1: and please make sure bare minimum you got to follow
Speaker 1: her on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Bear.
Speaker 1: If you have no money, you're fucking broke. Go to
Speaker 1: a library, go sign up for Twitter, follow her on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Then you sign up for the free only fans. Then
Speaker 1: from there you sign up for the VIP only fans,
Speaker 1: and then you go to the website and buy whatever
Speaker 1: else she's selling. Leila, thank you so much for your
Speaker 1: time tonight. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you too.
Speaker 1: Thanks