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Speaker 1: What is up, fellas Echo's I am a deliriously tired

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Damn Valley coming at you with the ever sexual mister

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more Jensen of NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame

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of Forbes, Fayman of Only Fans Celebrity. We're here to

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talk about I don't know if anyone's heard this moret,

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but I might be bringing some news here. There are

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four restricted free agents who still remained unsigned, and we

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can see September coming. I know, shocking. I haven't heard

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anything about it, so we figured that you and I

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would be the first people on planet Earth who cover

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the NBA to talk about it. I feel like that's

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I feel like that's just a great idea. It was

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pitched by you. It's it's just it's brilliant on.

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Speaker 2: Our parts, I know, right. I mean, I will say this,

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no one's really heard anything for a while now, so

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it for some it might still be news. There.

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Speaker 1: There's been like some kaminga like updates, but it feels

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like a lot of the same recycled ones. The one

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that oddly feels but we're gonna go into the one

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by one, but the one that oddly feels like we

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haven't heard a ton about it is Quentin Grimes towards.

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There have not been concretely reported offers, at least not

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on the same level as Cam Thomas. We know about

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two for twenty eight or Kamingo, we know about two

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for forty five for Giddy. We know they offered twenty

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or more million dollars a year he wants thirty. Nothing

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like that with Quentin Grimes, though, which I find interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 1: So first, before we get started and shout out to

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oh my god, I would butcher this chill Usha Palumba,

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first time catching you guys, live, cheers, Thank you, happy,

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We're glad you're here. But first and foremost, before we

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dive into a topic no one else is talking about.

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Just like we said, more, how the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I am. I'm doing very well, as those actually watching

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us right now can see. My face is all red

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because my son and I just returned from a trip

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to Madrid where it's I'm not going to use fahrenheit

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because you guys are just completely fucking up temperatures. I'm

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going to use Celsia's where one actually boils one hundred

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and it freezes at zero. That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I would just like to point out I have no

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counter argument to what you just said.

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Speaker 2: So we were down there in forty three degree the

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weather celsius obviously, and that's why I look like a

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freakin tomato right now. We were actually advised to not

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leave our hotel because it was just that was the

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type of heat weight down there. We had to because

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my son is beginning to become a bit of a

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basketball prospect. He was down there to work out for

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two basketball academies and even got offers from both. Unfortunately,

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we could make the finance and finances work, something that

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I'm very very sad about my son even more so,

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but it kind of cemented the fact that there's actually

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some talent in the family, ones like, which is great.

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Speaker 1: Finally, right, you've been waiting.

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Speaker 2: I know me too, that's great. I love it. So

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So yeah, we just came home from there and and

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to make the finances work, we're doing very well. Hope

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you guys are are doing well on your end as well.

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Speaker 1: We're great over here. That's look, everyone needs to tune in,

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so that more can send his child to schools, programs,

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outer space, the whole nine. So you know, you go

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tune in hit that like subscribe button. I'm glad to

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hear that he did well though, that's always fun. He

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did You should be proud. He should be proud. I'm

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gonna be proud by extension.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I'm actually gonna extend this because I'm

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just gonna gush a little bit. Dan, hope you don't

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mind about this. I'm actually gonna gush because there's a

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little bit of a story here as well. So and

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and people they are they're like Danes. Some Danes know

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about this, and they they're they're calling it the the

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Michael Jordan story because we woke up on the morning

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of the first try out that he had at eight

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and said, I don't feel very well. And I thought, initially, oh,

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he's probably nervous. That's that's that's mental food poisoning, actual

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honest to god food point.

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Speaker 1: He's a delivery guy from Utah.

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I hope they're not a sponsor. We had pizza Papa

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John's in Spain, so you know, m M, never again.

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go there because like, look, that's the whole reason we're

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a couple of days after we've conducted the tryout for

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some reason. So there he is, just turned fourteen food

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poisoning with a you know, in a gym thirty eight

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degrees celsius. And I'm like, look, you don't have to

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he starts working out with another player who's three years

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his senior, and the court had a little bit of

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just thinking, oh my god, this this is not this

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is not gonna go well. But the kid just he

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gave me a look and then he like put his

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hand down just to show me, no, no, don't don't

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take me off the court. Let me just go through

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this and for forty five fifty minutes. I want to say,

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he just put all that aside and had a great workout.

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I'm like, I'm always proud of my son always, but

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that just reached a new level for me. I like,

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I was just beaming of pride afterwards that he just

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overcame all that, like in a matter of moments, he

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just kind of said and he said to me afterwards,

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basketball is the best healer. I kind of found my

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rhythm because I was able to play like that's just

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that's proud Papa shit right there. Dan and the academies

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we went to couldn't have been more gracious and fantastic.

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Speaker 1: No good for him. That's goat stuff from him.

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Speaker 2: That's my stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to him for the goat guys. Quick question,

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jokis winning another title before he retires? Can you give

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us a percentage?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say yes. What percentage would you give it?

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Speaker 2: Hmmm? I don't know why this number just randomly popped

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into my head. I fifty six.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say, I was waiting for

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sixty nine. I was convinced that.

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Speaker 2: Way, Well I will we know where your mind is at.

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Like you didn't even introduce me as like a a

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onlyfan contributor for once, Like you left something on the

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doorstep there, sir, Like.

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Speaker 1: I said, deliriously tired, I'll go. You said fifty six.

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That feels like a good number. I'll go sixty three.

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It feels like more than half. But it's so winning

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a title now is so tough. Like we've had seven

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consecutive different champions, and the Nuggets people soon find them

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find themselves in cap hell. So that's something we need

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Speaker 2: I wonder what the percentage would have been if they

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hadn't made those changes this year, Like it wouldn't have

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been fifty six for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's tough.

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Speaker 1: I say, better than half even, And if it's not

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gonna be with Denver, I think it'll end up being

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somewhere else because he's that good. He could win the

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title as the best player at like the age of

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thirty four, thirty five or something totally degree. Let's talk

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restricted free agents. What everyone's here for seven and a

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half minutes later, Josh Giddy more, you want to take

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us through the latest goings ons and your thoughts on

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mister Josh Giddy, Well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, my thoughts first and foremost. I think

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the bulls right now are playing this very very wisely

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Speaker 1: Basically, did I hurt you to say that?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no no. I'm always fair. I'm

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always fair, I think right now there, Look, they are

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trying to squeeze him. That's the right thing to do.

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want to end up in that same situation. I think

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that is a very good process like for them. Also,

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I think they're recognizing if we overpay him significantly, like

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if we cave and we give him forty million a year,

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is he even going to be tradable on that contract? Like,

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I think they're actually having those concerns and those conversations

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behind closed stores where they're looking at like, how can

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we actually give him a number that makes sense for

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both sides where we can pivot off of him later

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which I think it has to be at this point,

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that's pretty smart for them and it's the right call.

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thirty million a year. I think that's a preposterous number

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for him. I think the bulls came. What was that

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twenty two million a year, let's just say that, then

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he can decline it and just pick up the qualifying

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offer and then he's unrestricted creagent next summer. Fine, because

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losing him is frankly not that big of a deal

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next year. And if he signs, then cool. You have

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I would most likely agree with all that.

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I'm just we always see these situations where when sides blink,

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it feels like both of them may be blink at

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the same time. But you're never gonna see my point

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being teams really squeezed, Like even with Isaaca Korro and

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the Calves last year that took forever. He still ended

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up getting over ten million dollars a year right around there, right,

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different level of player. My guess is, if I had

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to take the over under on twenty million dollars per

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year for Giddy, I'm gonna take the over. But I

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think the deal might end up being for four years,

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not five, like maybe it's four for ninety six with

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a player option at the end of it. So I

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don't know if I feel great about that, But you're

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under twenty five million a year right as the bulls there.

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And look, if something goes right to where he wants

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to opt out, I know you might be saying, well,

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they didn't really get anything at the end of it.

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Josh Giddy right now, you might almost be happy if

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he's playing well enough to opt out at the end

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of a four year, ninety six million dollar contract.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah. And honestly, at this point, I think if

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you're getting him for under twenty five that means that

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of that agreement. Because the obvious thing is, oh I

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ask Fredy we want twenty split down the middle of

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twenty five, but like, if you get him for twenty

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three to twenty four, we're also kind of proving a

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point here going, look, archetype is not really NBA asking

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twenty twenty five, Like No three, No D. Players aren't

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Speaker 1: Three. It's a little extreme at this point, is it not? Well?

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Speaker 2: Okay, limited three no D? Is that better? Is that

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more fair? Plenty of p for passing, lots of turnovers too.

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if you want to tailor an entire team around him,

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can't justify doing that, Like he can't be our best player.

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There's just no way in hell that we can justify that.

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Speaker 1: So how do you think that this ultimately winds up? Well,

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ends up being like a three plus one? Do you

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think that there's a chance it's a three minus one

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and maybe they even get a team Like if you're

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the Bulls and you go for for one hundred with

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a team option at the end of it, is Josh

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Giddy just saying, no, that he got almost a twenty

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he got twenty five million years split down the middle, right,

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that that might be the Bulls is I hesitate to

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say ideal outcome, but it's got to be pretty close

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to it at that point.

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I mean that's probably where that's leaning. I

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think that scenario is pretty realistic. So that he would

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get what seventy five million guaranteed, that's not bad, right,

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all things considered over.

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Speaker 1: Three years, I'd take it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean, given that, you know, you're not

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really certain that he's going to duplicate what he did

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in the second half of the year over the course

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of a full season. Plus we've actually seen that movie before, right,

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like Thunderthans were all like, oh, this is your first time.

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Speaker 1: He got to the playoffs. No one guarded him. Became

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a play Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, So it if that's the play I wouldn't

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be surprised if it's three plus one. Hell, I wouldn't

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even be surprised if the Bulls were like, fine, you

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want big money, then you're gonna get a two year deal,

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and then the team option attached to that either like

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a two plus one. It's I think there's so many

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scenarios in play right now for those teams.

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Speaker 1: Now we should do sort of like a not a

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confidence meter, but what's the percentage chance that he signs

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his qualifying offer, which for anyone listening watching who might

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not know what that would do, low cap number next year, right,

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but here's what that does. Josh Giddy has veto power

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over any trade, and once he is traded, his bird

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rights do not transfer. So this is like it's probably

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more of a it's a disaster scenario, I think for

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both team and player. But I would argue it's worse

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for the team because you could still keep them and

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then have his bird rights. We saw the Hornets do

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that with Miles Bridges, but at the same time you

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were actively looking to move off him. He gets to

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choose where he wants to go, and like they might

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wave their no trade calls for anyone just because they

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want to be on a team that wants them at

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the same time, if that team doesn't have cap space,

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it gets really hard to keep them. Then you're gonna

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go somewhere and get signed for the mid level. He's like,

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I could see one of these four signing their qualifying offer.

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I don't think it's gonna be him. I would probably

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put it at if we were doing a percentage chance,

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I feel like there's a five percent chance he signs

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his offer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably a little higher, like, but it's not

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anything noticeable. I'm I'm probably at like twenty percent. But

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I hear you. I think that's a perfectly reasonable argument

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for basically trying to avoid it. Again, it comes down

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to how determined I think Josh Kitty himself is to

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like be the main cog in that whole thing. And

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if he has those aspirations fair enough, I think that

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shows a significant lack of insight into who you are

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as a basketball player. But then I think we can't

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rule out that he's like, Okay, no, I want to

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go somewhere where I can be the shit.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to a couple of comments before we move on.

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Hind could the Bulls trade him for Kaminga in Fury? Yes,

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but base your compensation is just all over the place

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with these two would be so difficult, I actually do.

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That was the other report I think while you were

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away that the Warriors have legitimate interest in Josh Giddy,

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which I don't know that. I understand that, like the Okay,

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the passing IQ is there, but he doesn't play like

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a Warriors brand of basketball. Yeah, I mean, well, to

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be honest, at this point, he's probably better floor spaser

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than Kaminga.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably fair. But even so, like Jimmy Giddy,

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Draymond Green, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Quinton Posts, you got you carrying a lot of the

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floor space. Lead over there, Quinton Posts and Steph Curry.

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This is interesting from Phil Brown. It's actually something I've

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thought about. Says it's a little rough to invest in

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Giddy and Kobe White as their backcourt of as our

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back court in the future. I would agree with that,

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But I've almost wondered does Kobe White's impending free agency

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next summer or just going into the final year of

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his deal give Josh Giddy any sort of leverage because

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you know that Kobe White will have more suitors than

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at Josha One. He's not going to be a restricted

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free agent two he's better so or or do you

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look at it as the Bulls are going to be

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so committed to paying Kobe White that it actually dilutes

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Josh Getty's leverage here because they're going to be more

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focused on keeping him long term.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good question, I think, because Kobe's going

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to be unrestricted and the Bulls really don't have that

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much say in it. You can't look at it at

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it from that perspective, like you just don't know, Like

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the Bulls can go into next offseason, assuming they keep

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Kobe oll through this year, and they can say, oh,

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we want to pay you forty five forty million a year,

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whatever the number they come up with. But if Kobe

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is like, no, you know what, this organization is utter trash.

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I want to go somewhere else, then you have absolutely

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nothing you can do. You have no power, You have

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your power less. And that is such an interesting situation

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to me. It's it's actually one of those situations that

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I don't think GE's talked about quite enough when you

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look at like the landscape out there, because his situation

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is is like, Kobe is the type of player who

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I think can actually come into a more established team

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and elevate them significantly, like if they're a lower bottom

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playoff team. He's the type dudes who can actually elevate

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them up to like ye a fully flished one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his offensive game, it just feels more malleable than Giddy's.

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Like Giddy's clearly the better playmaker, but Kobe White can

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do more away from the ball, and even just his

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on ball shooting is I would trust it more like

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Giddy can get to the floater. We know that. But

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I so, yeah, I totally get what you're saying there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, so no, what do we think? What do

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we think?

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my official prediction. I think I already

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gave it. I'm gonna go four years, ninety six million

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dollars with a player option at the end of it.

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That'll be my official prediction.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go three years seventy five with a additional

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not players are a team option for the fourth year

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for the same money. So four years, one hundred wow.

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Speaker 1: So we're close. So it's basically you have a three

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minus one, I have a three plus one, and there

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within four million dollars of each other.

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Speaker 2: But like I agree hashtag I hopefully don't get that

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for the bull's sake. I hope they get him for.

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Speaker 1: Less hy he has no leverage, but we just never

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see team squeeze players to that extent. This next person,

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I'm actually, I think most intrigued by this one, Quenton Grimes.

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The Philadelphia seventy six Ers. There has just been I

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don't know if you've seen numbers floated out. I've seen

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right around the mid level or two million dollars, and

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that's the type of the things I've heard around the

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sixteen million dollar territory. But like there's not a lot

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out there on the years, the like how much he

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would be compensated. He's so fascinating to me because the

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Sixers are so fucking confusing and it's not like we

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treat this team as this really damaging wild card, and

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they are because of Paul George embiid those contracts, but

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they're also not barren of younger player types when you

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look at Tyree Maxy, Jared McCain, they now have VJ.

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Edgecomb and Quentin Grimes is somebody. But this is also

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intriguing because, Okay, we get to say that, where does

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Quenton Grimes fit into whatever context of the sixers you

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believe is going to materialize because you either value what

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he did on the ball for them last year towards

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the end of the season, in which case, well, how

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does that fit into? Never mind, like one, how does

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that fit into a team that has Maxi Embiid and

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George playing? But also how does that fit into a

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team that also has Jared McCain tyress maxin vj Edgecomb

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If you went all the way young does he want

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to play? We saw him kind of br It was

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more so in New York than Detroit. And I don't

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think he was in Dallas even long enough for this

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to come up. Like he bristled a little bit at

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his offensive role. So is he willing to play the

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three and D because he can play just in New

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York is when he typified at the most, we saw

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a little bit of it more in Dallas. He can

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play the three and D role, does a lot of

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stuff off ball and will defend his ass off Is

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he willing to play that after he gets paid? Because

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that player is still valuable. He's not wing sized at

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six what six' four around, there but like that's still

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someone who could guard the point of attack, guard some

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guard toos and maybe some threes and just knock down.

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Threes and we know now that he can create a

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bit for, himself especially if you want to roll him

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out against second, Units but is he willing to scale

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down most of the? Time we just have no. Idea

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and then how do you then mort weigh that against,

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well does it really matter what he wants when there's

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No Like i'm sort of, Wondering utah still has like

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eighteen million dollars with The John collins trade exception. Left

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and then If i'm The, Nets i'm kind of, like

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why not just Renounce Cam. Thomas i'll just throw an

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offer sheet At Quentin. Grimes, yeah because he's the one

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who in, THEORY i think we'll have an easier time

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scaling down or just being more scalable if we want

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to use that. WORD i just don't know how interested

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he is in. It so this is Why i'm fascinating on,

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it because it's not just About in so many of these,

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instances it feels Like Josh, Giddy Jonathan, commit Even Cam,

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thomas it feels more about the, Player and in this

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case it's a lot about the, player but it's also about,

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well what Is.

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Speaker 2: Philly no absolutely to your question about does he want

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to scale? Down let me let me ask you, this

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if you all of a sudden had more freedom in

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your place of, business significantly more freedom to do what

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you wanted to, do and you, realized, oh the results are,

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great like there are actually something here WHERE i can,

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GROW i can do. More would you want to put

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that genie back in the? Bottle, honestly like for? Yourself do?

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You BECAUSE i Think Quentin, grimes over the course of

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twenty eight, GAMES i realized that's not like a huge

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sample size proved enough to the point where you can, say,

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look he deserves to shot, somewhere not as like the

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primary guy on a, team but he deserves to have

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a creation. Role whether that's like as a secondary guy

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or a churchyard. Guy, cool but we can't just waste

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his talent on him just catching and shooting the basketball

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like there needs to be something. More this is a guy,

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who over the course of those twenty eight, games averages

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virtually twenty, two five and five while getting to the

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free throw line five times a. Game like that is

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that means there's some on balls juice. There that means

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there is creation with.

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Speaker 1: The sixers ninetieth percentile and self created shot making efficiency

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there were ninety eight. Percentile that's.

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Speaker 2: Insane that's really. Good, yeah and he proved. IT i

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remember watching That houston game where what did he have

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like forty six something along those, Lines.

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Speaker 1: Yeah forty six something.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere, Along, yeah, exactly and he was just it was

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consistently his own, Creation like it wasn't him just being

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set up and fed up easy, shots like he was

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pulling from. Deep he was like shaking at baking, guys

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like you could see there was something. There And i'm

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not saying that he can sustain that role over the

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course of eighty two games and five seasons or, whatever

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but he does to serve more than just the three

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and d. ROLL i think he agrees with. THAT i

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think he like he's he smelled blood there at those

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twenty eight. Games if, Anything, Dan i'm probably more inclined

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That quentin is the guy to take the qualifying.

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Speaker 1: Offer here's the. THING i agree with you that he

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should be the guy that's looking most at, It BUT

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i also kind of feel like maybe you can make

473
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:21,519
this case With kaminga except that situation that feels more

474
00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:23,480
clarity where it's we know The warriors eventually want to

475
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,039
trade him and we will get to, HIM i promise.

476
00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:29,160
Everybody but With Quentin, grimes doesn't it feel like The

477
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,559
bulls are invested In Josh? Giddy we know The nets

478
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:35,160
aren't invested in Cam. Thomas there's more range of outcomes

479
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,480
to what to, me to What Quentin grimes's role could

480
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,559
be In philly next year than maybe any of these other,

481
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,480
Guys and so that almost makes signing the qualifying offer

482
00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,119
prohibitive because you don't know are they going to repress

483
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,799
their value by making you their seventh eighth man or

484
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,519
you're just you have to slide into the three AND

485
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:52,160
d role and maybe you're not fit for that and

486
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,599
you play. Poorly or are they going to put you

487
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,079
on ball a ton because of all these injuries or

488
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,160
absences that they wind up happening and then you don't

489
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,319
perform up to. Snub there's just so many different WAYS

490
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,559
i could see it playing. Out but IF i were,

491
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,839
HIM i think as of right, now he's shown the

492
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,920
highest ceiling of the. GROUP i, Mean kaminga clearly the upside.

493
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,400
There but IF i, was IF i were, him knowing

494
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,359
That i'm with a team that wants me that will

495
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,599
at least give him some level of serious, opportunity and

496
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,160
that there will be there will be chances because you

497
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,599
play on a team that Has joel And beat And

498
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,039
Paul george to where they are going to be games

499
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,680
that stars are, absent where you get to have those

500
00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:31,799
nights where you're on the ball a bunch and you're

501
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,119
getting up a ton of shots and you're scoring boatloads of.

502
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,400
POINTS i would probably roll the dice IF i were,

503
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,359
him BUT i ultimately don't think he's going to, because

504
00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:44,720
like we've talked about this, before who is the last

505
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,359
Not Miles bridges because that was the hole he missed

506
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,279
the season prior to the domestic violence felony that he

507
00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:54,920
pleaded no contest to who's the last restricted free agency

508
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,160
to sign the qualifying offer because they had a. Choice

509
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,000
they want to bet on themselves and then it ends

510
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,960
up working out for. Them greg montrou is the CLOSEST i,

511
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,880
come and like he only got like three years and

512
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:07,359
like twenty million a pop or something like that and

513
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,000
didn't so, it which, again Quit grins might prefer, that but, like,

514
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,839
okay you're playing for three for sixty versus if you

515
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,359
could sign for four for seventy right, NOW i get,

516
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,799
like that's a huge. DIFFERENCE i don't IF i were, him,

517
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,759
THOUGH i probably sign the qualifying, Offer BUT i do

518
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:24,720
think that the team situation almost makes it prohibitive for.

519
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:28,799
Speaker 2: Him there's also this point of him being twenty five,

520
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,119
already so, LIKE i don't think he has all the

521
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,200
time in the world to like just you, know maybe

522
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,119
be the forgotten man In philly or test himself. Out

523
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,319
LIKE i think he needs to be looking for a

524
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,680
situation where he has a stable role in stable. Minutes

525
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:46,920
AND i wonder if that's part of why we haven't

526
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,799
heard a whole lot in regards to this. SITUATION i

527
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,599
wonder if he And Darryl moury are basically, saying, Look

528
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,720
i'm at an agent right now WHERE i need some stable.

529
00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:58,759
MINUTES i fully understand you need to play some of

530
00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,599
the younger guys because you just DRAFTED. Vj you Have

531
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,160
jared McCain who played what thirty games or something along

532
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,519
those lines last. Year, like you need to have a

533
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,720
lot of guys around, You so let's see if we

534
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:13,759
can figure something. Out maybe we sign a deal that

535
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,720
makes me significantly tradable over the course of the. SEASON

536
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:20,680
i just think he needs to find a, place be

537
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:25,720
that In philly or elsewhere where he can be allowed

538
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:26,640
to spread his, wings so to.

539
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,839
Speaker 1: Speak so what's your position for how this winds?

540
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,039
Speaker 2: Up? Yeah, Yeah SO i think if he signs it's

541
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:39,279
gonna be a very short term. DEAL i would be

542
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,599
shocked if it's a long term. Thing and SO i

543
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,559
HONESTLY i think he's the guy who picks up the qualifying.

544
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:48,839
OFFER i think he needs probably more likely that he

545
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,920
picks that up if they can't find an. Agreement, Otherwise

546
00:26:52,640 --> 00:27:01,359
i'm gonna say two years thirty five with a player

547
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:08,559
option on year. Three, well is that just the same

548
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240
seventeen and a? Half what is that fifty? Two is

549
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,480
that fifty two and a? Half thirty five times two

550
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:14,920
is thirty?

551
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,559
Speaker 1: Five all? Right So i'll go four years sixty seven,

552
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:20,400
million AND i think there'll be a.

553
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:22,519
Speaker 2: How much, sorry four years four.

554
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,519
Speaker 1: And sixty seven so like over slightly over the. MIDLEVEL

555
00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:27,480
i just don't think he has the. Leverage and like you,

556
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,599
said he's twenty, five he's had some injury stuff in his. Rear. View,

557
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,759
Two i'm gonna go four years sixty seven With i'll

558
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:37,359
give him a player option at the end of, it

559
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:39,400
BUT i COULD i could see it being just straight

560
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,720
like four for seventy type or maybe there's even a

561
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,440
team option that takes.

562
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:47,039
Speaker 2: Him through most of like his his. Prime that's. Interesting

563
00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:49,920
so what you're saying basically is he wants to make

564
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,559
sure that he's secure that you think he leans, security.

565
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,279
Speaker 1: Right AND i don't know how much more he could

566
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,400
get out of The, sixers just because they're probably trying

567
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,160
to see if they can still game looking at the

568
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,920
mini mid level or where they're going to end up

569
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,519
with their their.

570
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: Cap so do we agree though that that would be

571
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,440
that could be not would be could be one of

572
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,279
the best deals in the.

573
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: LEAGUE i THINK i think it certainly could. BE I

574
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,039
i just still have those questions about how much of

575
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,200
an impact does he have when he's not that feet

576
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:18,599
more of.

577
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:20,559
Speaker 2: A featured, guy, Right, yeah that's.

578
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: Fair let's get some questions. More can you read that?

579
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: One? Well that is From dan Fa, valley who needs

580
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,400
to talk About Reed. Shepherd, surprise. Surprise.

581
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: YEAH i THINK i think he's worth the. Max they

582
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,119
should just give him an. Extension now it's a couple

583
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,839
of years, early.

584
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: But, Yeah, yeah let's let's completely ignore that he's not

585
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,480
even extension. Eligible, yeah love.

586
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,319
Speaker 1: It let's move on to someone who can sign a

587
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,680
new contract right, now mister Cam. Thomas the only Thing

588
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,440
i've kind of seen two years and twenty eight million

589
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,920
dollars from the, nets which, is by the, way that's

590
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,519
not even mid level, money right, Right so where where

591
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:55,119
are you at with?

592
00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: This i'm weirded out by this, situation honestly because. No

593
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,960
but but guess here's here's the. THING i know you

594
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,680
AND i have had this discussion. Before the whole we

595
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:13,200
are deprioritizing. Offense we need like defensive versatility and all this.

596
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:16,279
Cool you still needs to put the ball in the,

597
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:19,240
basket like that is still a requirement to win, games

598
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,000
and this dude just does that at a very high. Level,

599
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,079
like are we sure that just because he fits that you,

600
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:31,799
know the six' four shooting, guard mold that he's automatically a.

601
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,119
SIX man i feel that's sort of like a lacy

602
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,480
narrative that's developed where, if oh you have to be

603
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:41,240
like a prototypical six', five or, whatever, we're, like, yeah

604
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,599
really really we're doing this because he's a six to.

605
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,480
Four shooting guard then we're just automatically pitcheonholding him into

606
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,720
like a six man role despite the fact that his

607
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:58,519
offensive explosivity. Is extremely good it's it's such a weird.

608
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,759
Situation for me and if they don't value him. To

609
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:05,000
that extent here we go with the qualifying off for, Conversation,

610
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,559
again there.

611
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,839
Speaker 1: Well he's the guy because if you're going for two

612
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,160
years and, twenty eight million IF if the nets just

613
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,759
won't move, off, of that, right oh yeah that's not

614
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,039
like why not just play out your qualifying offer and

615
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,079
Then they'll be it's not you don't need cap space

616
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,640
next year. To beat that you could go after like

617
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,359
if so the full four year mid LEVEL next year

618
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,359
i think would be, for three years it's sixty five

619
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,799
million about that's like way better than the deal you'd be,

620
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:34,400
getting right now so, or excuse me it'd be worth

621
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,319
forty seven point five million or sixty four point nine

622
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,359
million if, It's four years, so that's like let's just

623
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,640
say he's playing for the right to get three for

624
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,039
forty eight or four, And sixty five like four and

625
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,960
sixty five is that's a lot. More guaranteed money so

626
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,480
he's THE guy that i LOOK at and i agree

627
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:52,680
with a lot of. What you said there needs. TO

628
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,640
be more i think he's shown that he can score

629
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,640
from a bunch of, different levels now like even maybe

630
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,039
trusting his three ball a. Little, bit more yeah the

631
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,960
defense is still not great and the passing is, just

632
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:06,079
it's improved but it's not improved enough to where you

633
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:09,559
think he can drive. Offense for others and like His

634
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,039
Rebuke to zach lowe saying, that, his, first second third

635
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,759
and eighth option was scoring or, whatever it was he

636
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,839
basically came, out and said if you remove everybody on the,

637
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,359
nets who passed he was the second best passer. On

638
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,359
the team, and that's like what are? You proving there

639
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:28,960
And so, if i'm him can you be more of

640
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,680
a playmaker or can you make more of an? Impact

641
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,000
on defense i'm probably signing. My qualifying offer this is, all,

642
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,519
TO say though i kind of understand where their nets,

643
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,440
are COMING from because i think that they could, Like,

644
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:41,319
having him yes put the ball, in the bucket but

645
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,440
look at who. They just drafted When You, have ben

646
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,880
serf When You, have nolan treiori When You, have yegor

647
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,799
demon When You, have danny wolf who's like a center

648
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:53,440
who thinks that. He's, a wing basically there's just you

649
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,839
have other GUYS that need I Don't think danny wolf

650
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,759
needs to be, one of them. TO be clear i

651
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:00,519
think it's More About yaeg Or demon And nolan trey

652
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:03,680
or when he's looking at. Having the BALL but like

653
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,599
i understand why they're playing hardball HERE and someone i

654
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,279
think actually someone's probably bring it up in, The, chat

655
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:11,839
now yeah bring up, the, salary, floor Like yeah the

656
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,000
nets need, to hit That And signing cam thomas would

657
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,319
be a way. To do that they can also, just

658
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,599
do shit like for some reason the Heat gave Them

659
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:19,720
heyward high smith with a. SECOND round pick i don't

660
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,680
care that. He was injured that was a fantastic Trade.

661
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:24,519
For the nets it's like they could. Find a way

662
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,119
i'd Like the salary capflorm'm just. Not worried about they'll

663
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,000
find a way to spend the money if. He leads

664
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,079
leaves so this is kind of a situation where you

665
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:33,640
can make the Case that the bulls should find a

666
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,000
Middle Ground. With josh giddy you. We just did you

667
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,279
should absolutely make the Case that the sixers should find

668
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:41,559
Common Ground. With quentin grimes We'll Get to Jonathan Aminga.

669
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:45,759
WITH cam Thomas i If, i'm, THE nets like i

670
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,480
don't need, if he leaves. SO be, it i like

671
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:51,200
if there's a better opportunity on the trade market to,

672
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,440
take on salary some team is coming with you, AND

673
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,960
offering something i would probably renounce him and not. Worry

674
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,279
about it it's fine to carry his rights right now while.

675
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:02,519
NOTHING'S going on i understand why they're holding FIRM now

676
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:05,200
if I, were the nets just to have that if

677
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,960
he was willing to sign, an inflated deal like to

678
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,400
like a, two minus one so a one year deal

679
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,839
with a team option, on year two two years and,

680
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,640
forty five million just have that trade chip rather than

681
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,240
carrying cap space into the season and it's it's functionally,

682
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,799
an expiring contract then. Things get interesting he'd be, rolling,

683
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:25,480
the DICE though because i. ACTUALLY have not i already

684
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:27,039
remember it is the two year deal is in a

685
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,720
team option, on year two two For twenty eight has

686
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,720
it been reported as, a team option because then that.

687
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:35,400
Would change, things But Like If, i'm cam thomas even

688
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,720
if they're guaranteeing me, twenty eight million if you offered

689
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,960
me two, FOR forty five i would absolutely roll the Dice,

690
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,559
on making yeah let me make twenty two and a half,

691
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:44,880
million next year and maybe there's a chance another team

692
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,359
picks up THAT option if i get Moved or the

693
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,920
nets need me. As TRADABLE salary so i don't understand

694
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,319
Necessarily why the nets haven't, gone that route but this

695
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,920
sort OF feels LIKE i unders i do also understand

696
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,759
why they're kind of acting haphazardly in this sport or differently. In, this,

697
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:02,400
situation yeah no.

698
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: That, makes Sense.

699
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: Look with cam thomas signed a, team FRIENDLY deal if

700
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:14,280
mpj Shows Him an, Andrew, Tait video look, i'm Not

701
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,320
misogynistic but i'm about to say something. That's incredibly, MISOGYNISTIC

702
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:21,880
my God i don't denver. Wins that, trade by defall

703
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,800
we didn't Factor In the galaxy braining podcast clips nearly.

704
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:31,960
Evaluating the. Trade my God shout out phil brown excellent comment.

705
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 2: That that was. A good, one, I yeah look i

706
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,079
understand that you'll also have to invest in all of

707
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,760
the rookies, that you Drafted and that i'm putting aside

708
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,400
My feelings about brooklyn's. FIRST round draft i.

709
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,079
Speaker 1: Was not enthused Give Me your drake powell. Thoughts, right

710
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:48,440
now go?

711
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:54,679
Speaker 2: Uh, super athletic. Okay, FAIR enough look, i GET it

712
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,400
but i also think there's somewhat of a KNOWN commodity

713
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,400
in cam and if they're willing to pivot of that

714
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,679
and just lean into the uncertainty, of it all and

715
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,519
like if they still want to play, The, draft, game,

716
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,719
Okay fine sure like it's we've seen teams do that.

717
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,599
A million times that's not necessarily. A bad STRATEGY i

718
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,199
would i would probably have a hard time seeing a

719
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,320
guy who averaged twenty, four like that unlike a guy

720
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,840
who gets to the line who takes a, lot of

721
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,880
threes like. Just get renounced that would just be a

722
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,440
new low in terms of like not valuing score. Since

723
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,079
today's GAME and then i don't know who would be

724
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,679
standing in line to like just, get him immediately but

725
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:40,320
he should have so many soothers it's. Not even funny.

726
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,199
Speaker 1: So this is actually. A great question i. DIDN'T even

727
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,679
read i was only. READING a cursory i thought they

728
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:46,159
were mentioning the nets have to get to The salary

729
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:49,239
For But, FROM abdullah farhan i have a. Type of

730
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,679
question if the nets don't hit ninety percent of, the

731
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:53,239
salary cap do you get FINED by the? Nba or

732
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,880
punished why not just go ahead and with it being

733
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,519
a lapula of the luxury tax. Or the floor, SO

734
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,400
in passion i would argue that teams were too focused

735
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,119
on hitting the salary floor because the money just went, To,

736
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:08,239
the player like why not give your? PLAYERS a bonus

737
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,039
I think the thunder. Basically did that one years they

738
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,519
were below, the salary floor the players got to pay out. For, the,

739
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:18,239
difference now however you forfeit your luxury tax payouts like

740
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,199
from the rest. Of the league and so unless you

741
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,519
THINK that and i think then you have the cap

742
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:24,920
hit will also be on your books that you can't even.

743
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,360
Use that space maybe you could still. Use that space

744
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,440
i'm not have, to confirm that but unless you think

745
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000
you're gonna make more money by not paying out that

746
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,840
money to players than by forfeiting the luxury tax share that,

747
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,920
you get paid. That that's what that's how they're forcing

748
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,760
teams to hit. The SALARY floor and i think it's.

749
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,519
Speaker 2: A good thing this is a good thing because it

750
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:46,840
means more. Money TO players so i love this.

751
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,079
Speaker 1: AND it was i will say like the other it

752
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,199
means more money to MORE players because i didn't hate

753
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,079
the other way to, where, it, was well yeah you're

754
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:55,880
just paying out all these Guys that are but also

755
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,719
it does force you to go out and make other and.

756
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Sometimes it does maybe it's not, Certainly more players it

757
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:02,719
just forces you to make more moves because if you're

758
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,320
taking on a bad contract, from another team doesn't he hit?

759
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,039
The salary floor you haven't spread that, wealth, around really,

760
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,320
so but yeah so they need to hit. The salary

761
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,960
floor your prediction, for, THIS more.

762
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,159
Speaker 2: Well i Think i'm actually i'm dicking what you said

763
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:20,880
about like the, two forty right like twenty, million a

764
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,199
year and that's a, trade, ship unfortunately right it couldn't

765
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,079
be the player option because then it's a one plus

766
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:28,639
one and that means technically he would have a. No

767
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:33,280
trade CLAUSE so do i are you sure that if

768
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,639
he signs a one plus one but the last one is,

769
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,800
a team option he doesn't have a a. No? Trade

770
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,119
clause right there's something about the plus one plus ones on.

771
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: The TEAM options that i don't think it'll that won't

772
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,719
kick in a. NO trade clause. I.

773
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: Don't think well it's only. On, player, Options yeah okay

774
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,159
so like he can look at, it, AND say okay

775
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,199
i get twenty, million this YEAR and then i hit you.

776
00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:58,519
Speaker 1: Would have to get maybe you have to get him.

777
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:00,719
To waive it so maybe it's a, Situation LIKE that

778
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,800
but i Think that's the nets aren't giving you an

779
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,199
inflated two year deal player option team option unless you

780
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,519
waive That right to.

781
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: That, makes, SENSE yeah WELL i mean i think that

782
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,360
MAKES sense because i don't think this is a team

783
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,800
that is so in the midst. Of rebuilding process having

784
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,920
a trade ship that they can actually move off of

785
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,400
has to be something. THAT they prioritize I don't think

786
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,679
michael portis hunire ass a significant amount. OF trade value

787
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,039
i do think he's kind of crucial for the development

788
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,239
of their guards because they, need to, have you know a.

789
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,920
PLAY finishing target i wrote About this over forbes.

790
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: The OTHER day but i do worry that he goes

791
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,639
full just fuck boy and is looking for people. All

792
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,480
THE time and I don't Think I think jordy fernandez

793
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,000
is too smart to. Let That happen so i'm, being,

794
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:47,039
hyperbolic here.

795
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,679
Speaker 2: No BUT still but i do wonder have We Forgotten

796
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:53,159
that cam thomas can also, be that asset someone who

797
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,079
just receives the balls and, scored.

798
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,599
Speaker 1: Like, yeah but yeah but he's not a spot of

799
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:01,800
finishing and includes a. Lot, of dribbling.

800
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:05,199
Speaker 2: Yeah it. Does that's fair. That, IS fair no i

801
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,079
think like a two year deal with one being. A

802
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,280
team option but the number, is so tricky right because

803
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,679
you're saying, TO forty.

804
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,639
Speaker 1: Octually i think, To, forty four like? What is that how?

805
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: Does that hurt oh you said? To forty five that?

806
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:21,519
Speaker 1: Was my, thing is like because then you're almost getting

807
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,760
to the twenty. Eight million number he. Has the chance

808
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,159
It's Like the bruce brown basically that he Got from

809
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:29,119
the pacers. That one YEAR i'm just i wonder, Why,

810
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,159
they're not like do you have a reason for why

811
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,119
They wouldn't want is it because they Want to keep

812
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:35,760
like that's too big of a? Number to move like

813
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:40,159
trading fourteen million is just so. Much functionally easier i'm

814
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,000
just curious as to why they haven't given.

815
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 2: That, More, consideration, right well again if his archetype of

816
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,400
player is not particularly ATTRACTIVE, around THE nba then i

817
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,559
understand paying him twenty million a. Year is rough we

818
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:54,559
just had This Conversation with josh, gidey as Well like

819
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,960
the bulls should hope that he's tradable during the course.

820
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,320
Of his contract so if you Overpay four cam thomas

821
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,199
and teams are, like wary, about you know an. Undersized

822
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,880
SHOOTING guard then i Understand why the nets are hesitant

823
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:10,599
to give him. A big deal but at, the same

824
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,079
time the talent is. Just, so overwhelming uh if you

825
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:16,440
said two, Years forty five i'm just gonna say two

826
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:19,920
years forty with a team option.

827
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,679
Speaker 1: In year two I'm just gonna. I'm gonna predict i'm

828
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,760
not SURE how much i. Actually believe this he's gonna sign.

829
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,519
His qualifying offer this feels like the guy who might

830
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:31,360
have the self confidence and can he talk himself into

831
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,599
Believing that the nets are still gonna give him opportunity

832
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:36,440
so he'll be able to. Prove his value or does

833
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,280
he maybe Think that the nets won't care as much

834
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,960
about trading him to a team without getting a. Ton

835
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,679
of return so if he's making, his, qualifying offer yeah

836
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,719
he has veto power and his next team doesn't have.

837
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,880
His bird rights but, at this point making competing for

838
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,320
the mid level exception is actually. A step up he steps.

839
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,559
Up for him our final guy more is probably the, highest,

840
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:04,480
profile One Right. Mister jonathan kaminga the rumors have all

841
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:08,480
kind of circled around the same base, of an offer which,

842
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:12,760
is two years forty, five million dollars and it's a

843
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,599
team option on. The second year it's a deal that

844
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,199
he wouldn't have the right to. Veto a trade it's

845
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,800
a deal that is, built to trade which is why

846
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,920
he does not want. To sign it I'M curious before

847
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,880
i hear your thoughts, In the situation my, actual question

848
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,440
is do you think that Even if, the, warrior said

849
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,079
hey here's two for forty five, flat out guaranteed that he,

850
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:34,280
even signs it because that's still then a deal that's.

851
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:34,559
Built a.

852
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: TRADE it is i think he wants a resolution that

853
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,239
it seems like he's just fed up, with all this,

854
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,679
WHICH rightfully so i understand that he's not the player that.

855
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,239
THEY want envisioned i know that he hasn't improved much

856
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,880
from a spacing perspective or, a playmaking perspective but like

857
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,559
he is still someone who can. Get stuff done he

858
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,760
can get to the, free throw line he can put

859
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,599
you put a lot of pressure, on the rim like.

860
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,320
He's super athletic there's so Much THERE going so i

861
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,719
do think that he understands going, to a, different you

862
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,079
know a different situation should improve his odds of breaking

863
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,559
through Whether He's an all star or not that that

864
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:13,400
is not for. Me to say we'll see if he.

865
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,360
Does go there it feels as though he's pretty out

866
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,840
On the whole warriors, experience By, now right like and,

867
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:23,360
if He is then i'm kind of a little bit

868
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:28,599
wondering why he did didn't just pick up his qualifying

869
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:30,920
offer and just get it over with. For next year

870
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,639
but he seems maybe determined to get out of that

871
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,679
situation now and is perhaps willing to. PAY for, it

872
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,400
i mean he might sign something less and then a greed,

873
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,719
to get traded but he might sign something or sorry in,

874
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,039
ASSIGN and, trade i mean because you have the, poison

875
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,480
pill status but he, signs for less it gets. Easier

876
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:53,559
to match like it's whatever you kind of come up

877
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:57,039
with as. A potential SOLUTION i'm not i. Wouldn't be

878
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:58,320
SURPRISED that's where I am with.

879
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,079
Speaker 1: Kuminga, Right, now yeah yeah this thing is getting. So

880
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,760
this field is this what's gonna? Be more hostile this

881
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,960
Or the cam Thomas? Situation in brooklyn it feels like

882
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,199
this one right just because it's no years of. Pent, up,

883
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:13,320
yep yeah man. THIS is tough i will say the

884
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,960
fact that he wants to Get to the. KINGS so

885
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:16,960
badly i know it's a, reflection of money but it

886
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,480
also makes me question his decision making. A LITTLE bit

887
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,519
so I don't like i would be interested to see

888
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,679
him get more on ball reps on a team that

889
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,079
has them to give him and. Has Better, spacing the

890
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:31,159
warriors they could probably carve out more on ball, Reps

891
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,280
for him like what lineups do you have to get

892
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,320
to to where there's enough? Spacing around Him It'd Be,

893
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:41,280
Quentin Post steph danthony Melton. And now horford is that how?

894
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,000
You round it assuming those two. Guys sign that, by

895
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,559
the way the cominga stuff is clearly holding up a

896
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,880
lot of other business because we're Just Assuming that al

897
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,079
Horford And d Anthony. Melton are warriors we do not

898
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:51,679
know that, For, sure though.

899
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: No but that's been talked about to such an extent

900
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,840
we're just. Waiting on it but COULD You Imagine i valle,

901
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,360
horford is, Like fuck this, I'm SIGNING elsewhere. LIKE i

902
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,760
can't i need some resolution.

903
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,559
Speaker 1: Like that be he Goes back to boston to play

904
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:08,800
thirty minutes per game or.

905
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,199
Speaker 2: Whatever, it is well they need a, big man or

906
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:14,800
he tries His luck. With philly again. That'd be fun.

907
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: Do you Think that the nets should have Any interest In,

908
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:18,599
JONATHAN m.

909
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: YES i, do i do, BECAUSE look again i will

910
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,000
keep banging this drum despite the fact that he's been healthy,

911
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:29,559
for A While Like, michael porter junior we are talking

912
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,519
about like three back surgeries over the course of. His

913
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:36,880
young life like you just don't know, First and foremost

914
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,599
and now he's in. A new situation what if he

915
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,400
tries to become all that and. IT isn't, working i

916
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,440
mean he's still so much better as a. Stan steal

917
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,320
shooter at least you can if You do get kuming,

918
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,480
in the fold you Can pivot towards, Kuming, and go

919
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:55,679
look this. Is our four he's. Our play finisher he's

920
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:57,719
someone who can finish way more. At the rim he's

921
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,800
someone who can get. Up and catch he can even

922
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,320
play some Small, ball five like perhaps that's the way

923
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,599
to go. And move, forward but again it depends On

924
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:09,800
how the nets, View this thing like do they think

925
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,199
that they had such a great first round. In the, draft,

926
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,920
they're Like yeah we're we're just gonna carve out a

927
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:18,800
shit ton of minutes for. THESE five guys i don't

928
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,559
know if that's how they. Look, AT it.

929
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah i. DON'T know that i, love him There But,

930
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:26,679
like cam thomas better not be back. If that happens

931
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:28,719
you can't have that many on ball scores that aren't

932
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Real good pass in ADDITION to having i would say

933
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,679
The two that i'm Focused on Are nolan trey Ra

934
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,800
And Jeg or demon having them that gets all sorts

935
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,679
Of confusing the kings their, Best trade offer like if

936
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:44,000
you're getting into, sign in Trades That doesn't Devin Carter

937
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,360
and Malik Monk that If, I'M the warriors i kind

938
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,360
of understand why that. Wouldn't move me and then you

939
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,280
have to figure other stuff out as well because of.

940
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,280
Base year compensation miami was reportedly interested at the beginning,

941
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,239
of the offseason and in theory. They haven't done like

942
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,760
they're very small in. The front line they DO have

943
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,119
that i think it's what is it a sixteen million

944
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:05,159
dollar Trade Exception. From duncan robinson i'll have to, double

945
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,719
check that but there they just. Ducked the tack so

946
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,480
you Have To where's terry rozier going as part of

947
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,119
This Trade? Or andrew wiggins are they a team that

948
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:16,159
should have interesting kaminga. PROBABLY not right i.

949
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,119
Speaker 2: Don't Think so.

950
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:20,599
Speaker 1: The pelicans were for some that was a report that.

951
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:22,440
THEY were interested i think that died down.

952
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: And The and the, bulls were interested like there have

953
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,239
been teams out there that. Who are interested it's just

954
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,559
a matter of trying to get him there by a.

955
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:33,000
Sign and, TRADE that's. DIFFICULT i believe i saw, someone,

956
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:37,039
mentioned like oh If only The warriors and bulls could

957
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:42,239
Swing like A kamenka for booch. TYPE of framework i

958
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,679
don't even know what kamenka would, have to earn like

959
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,679
specifically for that, to work out because only half of

960
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,199
it is like outgoing.

961
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: Forty, million bucks basically and How are the bulls? Making?

962
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 2: It out, yeah, so YEAH exactly it's i don't think

963
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,239
there's a way for that. To make sense.

964
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: You get like io to soon move back and then

965
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:04,119
coming to sign and trade what Else to? THE bulls

966
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,159
got i wouldn't mind Him, on, the warriors no but.

967
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:08,519
Speaker 2: LIKE you're not i just need to know how you.

968
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:11,679
Match those salaries that's that's. The, TOUGH part.

969
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah i mean basically so for anyone not familiar listening

970
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:19,280
and watching, with basher Compensation the. In Wayman's terms if

971
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,840
kaminga gets a twenty five, million dollar salary let's say

972
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,039
his new team that's acquiring him and to, sign and

973
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:26,480
trade they're taking on twenty five million. Dollars in salary

974
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,199
that's what it counts For, for the warriors though it

975
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,079
only counts as twelve and a half million dollars in. An,

976
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:34,840
outgoing salary yeah and so that gets all sorts of complicated,

977
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,559
to where now if you have a team that can

978
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,280
send back uber cheap players that fit, into, That structure

979
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,880
sure otherwise you need to get third teams involved or,

980
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,159
expand the deal which Is why the kings won is

981
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,360
SO complicated because i think you have To Give up

982
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,440
buddy healed in that. One as Well and If i'm

983
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,920
the warriors Like To get Devin Carter AND malik mont

984
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,000
i just it's not something. That Moves me the suns were,

985
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,119
reported out there but they're just their offers. Kind of

986
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,639
funny It was like royce O'Neal and like a bunch of,

987
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:03,239
second round picks like it was basically the. BASELINE of,

988
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,400
it i think so that. Doesn't Move Me If, I'm,

989
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,320
GOLDEN state.

990
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: No i don't think ANYTHING moves me, i Also thinking If,

991
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,440
I'M the warriors i fully acknowledge that there's a level

992
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,639
of skill and a level of potential here that. Is

993
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:21,599
SUPER intriguing so i also want to get something in

994
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:25,039
return for sending that out, Because you know i'm Guessing

995
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:27,239
that the warriors you're looking, At, this like okay well

996
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,559
we controlled his future right now unless he picks up.

997
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,239
The qualifying offer we hold, All the guards so why

998
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,079
should we relinquish him and get something back that we

999
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:39,280
aren't really? That interested in, That makes sense, BUT if

1000
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,119
anything i would argue that the base of your compensation

1001
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:47,079
issue right, now is like really fucking these. Four. Teams, UP.

1002
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah no i would. Agree with you what a Package

1003
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,079
Of like Jalen smith and io to soon move do?

1004
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:57,880
It for You If, you're golden state that's sixteen. And

1005
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,159
a half so if you were to give coming that's

1006
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,639
a thirty three. Million dollar salary that gets. Really difficult,

1007
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,800
there so yeah that's like even it would have to Be,

1008
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:07,519
just like io which.

1009
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:12,119
Speaker 2: Is, Just insane yeah so what You Were asking Jalen

1010
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:13,280
smith and io that.

1011
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: If you could work it, Like work it Let's say

1012
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,119
the bulls are Willing to pay john to than can

1013
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:20,400
make like two years and sixty million or. Something like

1014
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,079
that you probably could, game it well?

1015
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:26,559
Speaker 2: Would that even and then. But they can't they don't

1016
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:27,559
even Have, Money.

1017
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: To no they would have. To send out you'd have

1018
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,239
to like find a team To Take. On javon carter

1019
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,519
that's not The for the bulls situation with so much

1020
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:35,679
room under the luxury tax as. Of, RIGHT now, anyway

1021
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,760
I Mean If josh josh getty's contract impacts that great,

1022
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,199
deal as well that might not be the end.

1023
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: Of THE world but i, Will Say this Jalen smith

1024
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,360
And Iota assuming golden state all, Of a sudden I'm

1025
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,000
Looking at golden state with with a with a bit of.

1026
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: AN eye COIN i think i, Could have Said jay

1027
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,840
When smith and Iota, assumed as charlotte and you, Would

1028
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,079
have said i'm Looking at the hornets with like. An

1029
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,440
eye on maybe they're going to win the.

1030
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,199
Speaker 2: Title or something, so oh no, there, are limits sir.

1031
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,039
There are limits, BUT but no i just having a

1032
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:03,679
floor spacing Big Man, like jalen smith who's like a

1033
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:07,280
PERMANENT monster that i think would just fit So Well.

1034
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,960
In GOLDEN state and i always just super underrated that

1035
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:10,800
we've talked, about.

1036
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: It, yeah he's well here's the thing we're focusing, a,

1037
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,119
lot on like how would you Get Rid. Of jonathan

1038
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,920
kminga we've mentioned that there's? All this upside is THERE

1039
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,599
any and i Could understand the warriors not wanting to

1040
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,239
punt on the even as someone who doesn't count THEMSELVES

1041
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,599
as a i Don't say a jonathan, coming a believer

1042
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:29,000
but a skeptic AT least When i have grant in

1043
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,480
my ear every other podcast talking about how he's going

1044
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:33,119
to be Like The, next paul george he doesn't. Say that?

1045
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:37,880
Anymore is there have you seen anything or do you

1046
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,440
have any sort of conviction in him scaling down a

1047
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,920
little bit, to where yeah in second. Units Or Something

1048
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,239
when jimmy butler is, off The court maybe draymond's off,

1049
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,519
the court too or just one of those guys is,

1050
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:50,880
off the court you could use him as an. On

1051
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,360
ball weapon but do you have any faith that he

1052
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,679
could become in the, core lineup groups which is what

1053
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,559
they want? Him to become someone who will, space the

1054
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:02,360
floor move, without the ball, make quick decisions compete on defense.

1055
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,480
AND or rebound i just listed a, lot of things

1056
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,599
but they're all sort of just they're basic archetypal things

1057
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,480
of someone like he has the physical tools to do all.

1058
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:14,079
OF those things i guess you. Could get into do

1059
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,960
you think HE has the iq to play like the

1060
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,440
Movement brand? OF warriors. BASKETBALL i don't. I don't know.

1061
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: And the off, ball, gravity too right that's. Also a question.

1062
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: Teams aren't gonna guard him yet he would. NEED to

1063
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,239
prove i remember, last preseason though he was taking like

1064
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,440
ten threes p thirty six minutes and just. Banging THEM

1065
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,960
in It's i and i'm ASKING this because. I honestly

1066
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,880
don't i just feel someone with his talent upside you

1067
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,639
should be, able, to say like there has to be

1068
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:43,559
a scenario in which he isn't playing the exact role,

1069
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,079
that he wants but he's, still really good rather than

1070
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:48,400
going through these, stretches, where it's oh look at him

1071
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,039
when he plays more than thirty minutes per game and

1072
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,559
he's better, on a shorthanded less ideal Version. OF the

1073
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,599
warriors i just has there ever been a stretch where

1074
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:57,920
he was on the ideal Version of the warriors and

1075
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,519
then just fitting in for an. Extended, Period, time no.

1076
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:06,079
Speaker 2: No there hasn't and it's interesting Because you're asking kim

1077
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:09,599
is to scale down when he has made his intentions

1078
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:11,800
very clear that he wants. To scale, up you know

1079
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,719
he wants to. Be a star he wants to be.

1080
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:17,159
Speaker 1: THE big thing i was gonna say, IN his defense

1081
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,320
i know that he's, not blameless here but, in his

1082
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,320
defense it's easier to scale down if you're gonna. Get

1083
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,920
paid Anyway and the warriors have kind of telegraphing we're not.

1084
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,159
Gonna pay you we'll pay you. For two years but

1085
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,400
to what end is? That his fault. He HASN'T played

1086
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:36,840
there's i go back and forth because he hasn't played

1087
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,880
the role, that they've needed but they've also had an

1088
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,960
incredibly short. Rope on him it feels like for the

1089
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,599
past four YEARS he's.

1090
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: Entire inba, career yeah right the dude has never even

1091
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,960
cracked twenty's seven minutes per game in. A regular season.

1092
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,039
That's that's that's you see something like.

1093
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: The defensive lapses or, the rebounding lapses like, on the

1094
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,320
glass and then you kind. OF get it i don't

1095
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,480
like everyone feels simultaneously at fault like, there doesn't know, but.

1096
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,079
Speaker 2: BUT like okay i would also. Say as much if

1097
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:07,400
you have lapses and you're looking over the shoulder, All,

1098
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,679
the time like are you really going to significantly improve

1099
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,639
on the line if you're that fearful of getting pulled

1100
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:16,639
whenever you? MAKE a mistake.

1101
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,159
Speaker 1: I probably not but also like even when he's been,

1102
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:25,320
AT his peak i think, the drawing fouls, the rim

1103
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,159
pressure especially when. On the ball when have you ever

1104
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:31,280
looked at what he was doing at his, best and said,

1105
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,000
you know what that makes a lot of Sense, For, the,

1106
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:37,760
warriors like right it's alongside and, by the way they've

1107
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,039
probably made it harder for him just By Trading for jimmy.

1108
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: Butler, big time. Yeah big time and also like just

1109
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,519
the Fact that that draymond is such. A reluctant score

1110
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,559
i think he had a bit of a better year,

1111
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,960
here last year but it's it's still it seems that

1112
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:57,760
so he heavily relies on not just the playmaking but

1113
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,639
the overall Creation Level, of stephen curry who like, the

1114
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:04,400
you know you kind Of hope that steph goes into

1115
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,199
god mode every second game because it's it's what you need.

1116
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,079
HIM to do i think for a young guy wanting, to, break,

1117
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,360
through like yeah you can appreciate the greatness of your

1118
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,559
teammate and and the fact that he's. An OLD timer

1119
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,519
but i also think you're kind of looking at, This,

1120
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:22,679
situation like okay SO when do i have a chance to?

1121
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,639
Establish establish myself like it's not saying that's the right,

1122
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:32,320
approach TO take but. I understand it i want to ask, you,

1123
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,440
this THOUGH like because i agree with You that the

1124
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,440
warriors are not the best. Situation for him what, seem

1125
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,760
is like what seem out there like just makes sense

1126
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:47,280
From like a, jonathan cominga perspective like what gives him

1127
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,079
the best way? TO move FORWARD i.

1128
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: Don't i would have said, BEFORE the draft i Would, have,

1129
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,119
said brooklyn right and it still Just. Might be brooklyn

1130
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,199
they're up there for.

1131
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 2: Me, as well yeah.

1132
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: Definitely not the do? You? Think that now What, About

1133
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,079
the Suns Like, for jonathan kamenka forget, their trade package

1134
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,480
But They, have DEVIN booker But I guess jalen, Green's

1135
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,960
also there so that gets. A little wonky.

1136
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 2: I hate, It I hated. I'm i am I'm thinking

1137
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,000
The lakers.

1138
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: With lebron And Luca, and austin reeves that's the best. Situation,

1139
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:24,400
for him.

1140
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,519
Speaker 2: Well so, Here's The thing like lebron is not going to.

1141
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:30,599
Be there forever, we know this Like. They extended luca

1142
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,159
now's the time where they have to make like, a,

1143
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:37,079
Certain pivot right like they have to Know that lebron

1144
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,519
is is not going to be forever If you get

1145
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:43,719
kaminga in there, in that system like We know lebron

1146
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,199
is in the laite pastor And we know lucas in.

1147
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,440
The leap passer like it's they're not going to Take

1148
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,960
shots if kamena is right, at the rim like they

1149
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,800
are going to relinquish their own shots to make, The, right,

1150
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,280
play like yes do they take a lot of? Shots per.

1151
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,559
GAME absolutely do i also trust them to make, the,

1152
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:03,719
right play yeah like. Without a doubt and if they

1153
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,079
somehow can get him going to, A larger extent i

1154
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,840
don't see Any reason why kumika just couldn't slide into

1155
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,039
ruispot and.

1156
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: Take, that over okay go with, Me ON this AND

1157
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,159
i think i think the problem is you need a

1158
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,480
third team to take the player they would have to

1159
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:21,840
send out because they just don't have many other. Players

1160
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,199
to Trade what if milwaukee said We'll Give up kyle

1161
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,079
kuzma and the first round pick that, WE could trade

1162
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:34,280
i doubt they Would include aj, green as well although

1163
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,800
he would be fire And They have, buddy heeld already

1164
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,800
But he'd be he's better. Defensively for sure what if

1165
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,440
there was something Like that Like kuzma aj green in

1166
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:45,000
that first for or even If it was Kuzma, And,

1167
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,559
aj green no it Had to be kuzma that First

1168
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:51,800
and Aj green for Buddy. Healed and kaminga if there's

1169
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,119
a way to make something, LIKE that work i think

1170
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,199
you need a third team To take on kuzma. As

1171
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,639
the problem so what's the compensation? For doing that but

1172
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:01,239
my point is what About what about milwaukee Where you

1173
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,239
Have Giannis and miles turner as the other front Line

1174
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,519
Members and bobby, Portis as well so nothing but like two, floor,

1175
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:09,719
Spacing bigs.

1176
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:12,199
Speaker 2: Right i'm just wondering, Where he'll play like Where how

1177
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,800
will jonathan can get? His touches there, IN his Movies i.

1178
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,119
Speaker 1: Think doc has favored the ultra huge line where it's as,

1179
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:19,599
we'll go with they'll probably play comunet The two With

1180
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:21,800
portis and turner for all we.

1181
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: Know, about to say starting. Its Shooting guard so i'm

1182
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,559
gonna be. HONEST with you i don't. HATE or sorry

1183
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:31,239
i was about to be, NICE to say i don't.

1184
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:33,000
HATE that fit i do. HATE that fit i. Don't,

1185
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,400
LIKE it Sorry, I that hey i'm.

1186
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: Out here throwing. Out courageous ideas you're just naming flagship Markets. Like, the, lakers.

1187
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: Okay okay you want to get, real About. This The

1188
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:45,800
nuggets the nuggets would make sense him as. A play finisher.

1189
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: Now you're really putting A lot on yokic to make

1190
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,840
the most Of Your like's aaron? Gordon, still there like

1191
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,519
what is the what does the package? Even Look?

1192
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: Like in Denver that's the well that that wasn't. What

1193
00:57:56,599 --> 00:58:00,280
we're discussing where discussing. The best, fit But like the

1194
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,039
nuggets would be a great. Fit for Him?

1195
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:08,199
Speaker 1: What? About Indiana, HMM obi topping i guess is like

1196
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:10,679
part of the. PRIMARY outgoing money i don't Know are

1197
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:13,880
THE warriors getting i Guess You're getting jaris walker.

1198
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: Is Like part jonathan kminga just physically push out of the. Starting,

1199
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,519
powerful spot.

1200
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: Well Maybe you're going siakam? At, THE five, look, i

1201
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,719
mean like look at, Their Centers, Here Isaiah Jackson jay.

1202
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,599
Huff wiseman's back not like a ton, of options?

1203
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: There THAT'S true.

1204
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: What I Mean him brown kaminga Developing Into an aaron

1205
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:35,000
gordon type player be the most realistic. Option, FOR him

1206
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,800
oh i. DON'T hate that i mean that would be

1207
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,920
a fantastic. OUTCOME for him i just He's. Never shown

1208
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:43,400
Aaron Even when aaron Gordon was in orlando trying to

1209
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,800
Be Like a paul, george type offensively the defense. WAS

1210
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,559
always there i haven't Seen. That from kaminga so even

1211
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:52,679
if you believe he could. Scale down offensively but like

1212
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:55,760
it comes Back, to the warriors give him, the right

1213
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,159
opportunity they. Might, Be, inferio why yeah he could have

1214
00:58:58,199 --> 00:58:59,880
been that on this team with the way they. Might

1215
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:01,880
to play when you Look at out Gordon plays off

1216
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,920
yokich at the same time they've given them such. A

1217
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,719
short lead, It's, MY god no i don't know who's.

1218
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,679
More right here and there's we've just. GONE through it

1219
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:13,320
i haven't loved any of the destinations that we've. Got

1220
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:13,800
out there.

1221
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,519
Speaker 2: And it's it's in large parties because of the question

1222
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:20,360
That hovers above kuminga's lack. Of floor spacing because there

1223
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,280
is A team where i think the powerful situation is

1224
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,639
fairly open where it could be an interesting Situation. That's

1225
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:29,239
the spurs but like could you imagine the, spacing Issues

1226
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:31,079
there like fox.

1227
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: Cast so barely imagine? Them right now, right like.

1228
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,079
Speaker 2: That that wouldn't improve the like the shooting wise right

1229
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:42,679
like that's it's so tough nowadays to fit, in non

1230
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,239
shooters which is really the. Takeaway from this it's the

1231
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,760
same it's the same reason why we Have doubts about,

1232
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,079
giddy all right came.

1233
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: UP with something i actually think this. Would, Be, interesting

1234
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,320
okay okay if they can, FIND a, way i mean

1235
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,760
but they're not getting out, of the tack then how

1236
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:58,480
are they getting out?

1237
00:59:58,519 --> 00:59:58,559
Speaker 2: Of?

1238
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: The tacks like? What the what What if the celtics

1239
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:04,159
just said it'll be some type Of Mega deal Anthony

1240
01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:07,519
Simons and sam Hauser and then Cominga. Goes TO boston

1241
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:10,119
so I think the warriors End. Up with hawser you

1242
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:12,360
figured out a Way To turn anthony simons from like

1243
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,360
send them to another team for a, much cheaper player

1244
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:17,480
and you're shaving, the twelve million thirty million bucks or

1245
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:18,840
whatever you need to as. Part, of this.

1246
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:22,719
Speaker 2: Okay, that's Actually interesting and i'll. Give you. That that's.

1247
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:26,360
Funny that's good that's. A, Good, ONE okay no i.

1248
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,559
Speaker 1: Would have Concerns maybe without tatum with their SPACING just,

1249
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:31,400
Because i mean christmas, che is there so. THAT'LL be

1250
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,519
fine i think, came back there gonna be over.

1251
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:35,519
Speaker 2: And like yeah and he Can play With tatum when.

1252
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:36,679
Tatum gets back like.

1253
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: That's Not It's The Jaalen brown jonathan minga stuff gets me.

1254
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,960
A little weird but like maybe he Would, Defend IN

1255
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:47,519
boston so. I, DON'T know yeah i don't like the,

1256
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:49,920
idea of them as stupid as it Sounds Giving up.

1257
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,639
SAM hawser there i think that for this season he'd

1258
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:54,719
be important for a shooting but like they're not trying

1259
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:55,760
to win, This season anyway.

1260
01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:59,079
Speaker 2: No they're. Not they shouldn't they should actually they should

1261
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:02,000
actually go to the other. The, opposite direction absolutely do.

1262
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:04,559
Speaker 1: WE find IT i think. I like it i don't know.

1263
01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:06,679
Speaker 2: What the EX the one i, Like the best like

1264
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:09,320
that's that's really because of the, more you know quote.

1265
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:14,480
UNQUOTE realistic, options i mean still my favorite Would still

1266
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,000
Be denver In Miami. FROM PHIL brown.

1267
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,519
Speaker 1: I i kind of, HATE there's, so i mean he.

1268
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:22,519
Fits the whole we're not going to play Anybody Except,

1269
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:25,800
for khalil ware who's bigger than. Six' NINE model but

1270
01:01:26,159 --> 01:01:28,400
i i just don't know, how you get him because

1271
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,159
you have to find a, Play like they've traded Like

1272
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:33,760
are you trading wiggins to a team And then getting

1273
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,719
back kaminga and then that team is because you're Not

1274
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:39,440
Getting anything for terry rosier, Right at, this, point.

1275
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:42,599
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no okay let me let me.

1276
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:43,760
Throw this list last we have.

1277
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:46,519
Speaker 1: One More question Though Anthony simons, or cam thomas more who.

1278
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:50,360
Would you rather have I'd Rather have a simons.

1279
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: Simons because of, like the off. Ball gravity and whatnot

1280
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,880
he's just so. MUCH easier to implement i think he's.

1281
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: THE better passer too.

1282
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: I don't like that i think so. That's that is

1283
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,000
fair i'm gonna throw this team out There. As Well

1284
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:05,679
for kuminga and i'm not thinking, about the financials here

1285
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:11,039
like you'll have To. FIX that the pistons i think

1286
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:11,679
you're Gonna.

1287
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: Go, WITH the pistons yeah i don't love It Because

1288
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,760
you Have Ron holland And asar Thompson and Kate and

1289
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,519
jade and ivy and where does? He fit into that

1290
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:26,440
forget about they don't have a floor spacing five right

1291
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,559
Now Right, Shout out, bobby clintman so like where does he?

1292
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:32,400
Fit it for you i'm asking where does? He fit? Into,

1293
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,280
YOU for, that.

1294
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean look this is like a pure upside

1295
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:39,480
gamble where you kind of hope that everything sticks with

1296
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:42,559
the shooting and you know someone else's, lards how to

1297
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:47,199
shoot because Again This is the. Achilles, HEEL right there

1298
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,599
Like i love that. Kate takes more threes, not an elite,

1299
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:55,199
shooter ivy. Good shooter low? Volume is that sustainable is

1300
01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:57,280
that something that you can transfer over to a full

1301
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,760
eighty two game season and he'll hit forty plus percent

1302
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,400
from from three over the course. OF that many games

1303
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,199
i don't know. The Answer To that us er thompson

1304
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,599
again probably never going to be Like a clean shooter.

1305
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:15,480
Holland questions During, questions even karisel vert who, they signed

1306
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:20,039
this year is. Not a seamless shooter it's, going, To

1307
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:23,440
be difficult absolutely but like it's are we just in

1308
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:27,199
that space where regardless Of, where we send kamena it's

1309
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,039
gonna be a question because of. The, LACK of shooting.

1310
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:36,559
Speaker 1: Yeah i just, that's, LIKE so ah Yeah i don't.

1311
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:38,679
LOVE detroit For him i THINK i'm just like i

1312
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:41,639
Want to see what detroit is as currently constructed.

1313
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: THAT it's also. Fair i get that do you.

1314
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: Know it might be on brand for this front office

1315
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,559
that because we just don't. Know what they're doing like

1316
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:51,440
what IF. It was Just Pj, washington to golden state

1317
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:53,119
you figure o A Way to Get kayla martin to

1318
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:56,079
brooklyn or into, a jazz Trade exception and Then. Cominga

1319
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:59,000
goes to dallas.

1320
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: So you want Him To basically Get Cooper.

1321
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,679
Speaker 1: Flag and anthony davis that would Be, so a nausey marshall, that'd, Just, be, funny,

1322
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:07,119
RIGHT no.

1323
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: YEAH no i don't. I Don't, like that dam like

1324
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,320
basically we have to find, a, It's so specific right

1325
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,000
like you have to find a seam where there's a

1326
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,599
bit of an opening at the four where all the

1327
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:22,880
positions around you that are around that open position. ARE

1328
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,679
like good shooters i don't, think, That situation.

1329
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,199
Speaker 1: Exists no, and if IT does, IT'S like I mean

1330
01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:32,599
i think boston is my favorite that, we came up

1331
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:34,760
WITH which is just i think, you could just say

1332
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,559
like You, could, pencil in brooklyn right that would be

1333
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:39,800
that would not. Be an EGREGIOUS one and also i Don't.

1334
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,639
HATE him in chicago i just don't see like the.

1335
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:44,800
Pathway to getting him and then if. YOU'RE also paying

1336
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:45,480
giddy i Hate.

1337
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 2: That path For chicago, same, same so, oh actually.

1338
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:52,639
Speaker 1: Really quickly who is? It a bigger risk Like, if

1339
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:55,960
you're the warriors is it A bigger risk for kaminga

1340
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,320
to sign his qualifying offer or a Bigger risk for the, warriors,

1341
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:58,639
if that.

1342
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: Happens well they want to, get. Something for him obviously

1343
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:06,800
that's that's that they made those, intentions very very, clear

1344
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,440
because you know, former seventh overall pick they've at least

1345
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,039
a vested. FOUR years in him i THINK that would

1346
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:15,639
be i think that was. SCARED them a bit i

1347
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,440
say he. TOOK the qualifying offer i.

1348
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,159
Speaker 1: THINK it's a bit i think it's a disaster for

1349
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:22,840
them if he. Takes the, qualifying offer and honestly if i'm,

1350
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,440
THEM at this point i probably wouldn't push back against

1351
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,159
just given if he's want to sign a two year

1352
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:31,760
guaranteed deal or, A one PLUS one i think i

1353
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,880
rather than, A one MINUS one i think i would.

1354
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,360
Give IT to him like i THINK that they're and

1355
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,679
i think that's. ULTIMATELY how this ends i think he

1356
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:42,519
gets like two that this, will be my prediction two

1357
01:05:42,639 --> 01:05:45,400
years between forty, five and fifty million and it's either

1358
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,119
fully it's, a straight two years or there's a player

1359
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:52,079
option at, the end, of, it or maybe honestly maybe it's,

1360
01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:56,920
three four seventy five but with a team, option on

1361
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,000
the third sort, of the giddy deal Because then it's

1362
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:02,119
the warriors have some what if, he does pan out

1363
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:03,840
you don't want to see him just, leave in two

1364
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,760
years so then they. HAVE some team, upside i think

1365
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,800
that honest doesn't that feel like the middle ground for

1366
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,639
this Case specifically is get kaminga the extra he gets,

1367
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:14,719
his second guaranteed year and then he's At least the

1368
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:17,880
absolute like the middle, ground, scenario would, be oh he's

1369
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,199
good maybe he, could have gotten more but he there's

1370
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:21,719
the team option for him, On, another.

1371
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: Twenty right like let's just if he gets twenty. Five

1372
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,760
million a year is there a world? Where, he's not tradable.

1373
01:06:29,559 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: Well and, if he's not tradable, it's for a year

1374
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:33,400
it's next, season he's not tradable but then all of

1375
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,320
a sudden he's basically an.

1376
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,519
Speaker 2: Expiring, contract next, Exactly yeah all right i'm down with

1377
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:41,639
that three years seventy, five with, an option no, option,

1378
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:42,519
JUST straight.

1379
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,519
Speaker 1: No no I would Go If i'm the warriors i'd

1380
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:46,480
push for THE team option BECAUSE i could see i

1381
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,280
absolutely because then if if you just go straight or,

1382
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,000
with a player option there. Probably is a world We Saw,

1383
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,280
it with galen green but like he was a featured,

1384
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,800
part of that offense cominga's not guaranteed To Be. THAT

1385
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,840
for golden state i think there is a world if

1386
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,840
you guarantee him three years that it spends two seasons

1387
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,760
as a, non asset just, underwater.

1388
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:08,599
Speaker 2: So too guaranteed And, Then it's, The yeah.

1389
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: And honestly i'd have to do the, math with Uh

1390
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,519
Oh this, is josh Schwartley? Says Why not philly uh

1391
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:17,480
making the math work would probably hurt my brain at

1392
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,679
this point when You're. LOOKING at THE sixers i ALSO

1393
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:25,480
i hate that i. Don't, like him together yeah but

1394
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:27,840
they were remember weren't they a? Team that was interested

1395
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,159
that was last Off season report was Philly Is. INTERESTED

1396
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:31,519
in jonathan kaminga.

1397
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,159
Speaker 2: I honestly don't remember but. YOU might be right i.

1398
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:37,079
Speaker 1: Don't love the fit and it's also just what does?

1399
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:40,400
That Deal look like quentin, grimes, is? Gone right yeah

1400
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:45,039
yep and Then.

1401
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,119
Speaker 2: Rather have of god And maybe, not for philly specifically but.

1402
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:50,519
Like in a vacuum I'd probably rather have Grimes right

1403
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,000
NOW than kuminga because i think he's so much easier

1404
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:56,760
to implement because of like the off ball, gravity and

1405
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,360
like yeah and then there's just like.

1406
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: A, weird overlap not, overlap but it's like so What?

1407
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:03,960
Is that having kamengo what DOES That? DO to vj

1408
01:08:04,119 --> 01:08:06,760
edgecomb i know, they PLAY different positions and i GUESS.

1409
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,519
You're Just designing vj edge comb will never have the

1410
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:15,320
ball right and the money. Is, just so toughs yeah.

1411
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:18,399
Speaker 2: This actually lends itself well. To a future episode, we

1412
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,359
need to record like we need to identify players who

1413
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,520
make it so difficult on teams to make a call

1414
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,640
on them because of like their weaknesses. That, are so

1415
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:35,119
specific yeah if, You, CATCH my drift yes.

1416
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:37,399
Speaker 1: I catch your drift i'm actually still trying To. Figure

1417
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,920
out a philly it Would Have to be oubra drummond

1418
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,760
and Are they giving up like that's the only and

1419
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,399
it would have to Be a then of. Grime sign

1420
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,039
and trade there's multiple Teams involved in it's philly giving

1421
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:52,119
up A Pick Because if I'm golden state And, i'm

1422
01:08:52,119 --> 01:08:54,159
Not getting Quentin If i'm getting quentin grimes as part

1423
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:56,560
of the deal is That, if you're the warriors is

1424
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:57,560
that tickle?

1425
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: YOUR fancy at all, i, wouldn't HATE that Honestly if

1426
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:07,560
I If i'm, GETTING quentin grimes Back i, think the

1427
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,640
warriors specifically like it seemed that's so that so wants to.

1428
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:12,560
GET the three, up.

1429
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,079
Speaker 1: I guess so like that's the but you still need

1430
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:19,159
a third team to make that LIKE and who wants

1431
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:20,600
i guess you could Find A taker. FOR kelly a

1432
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,760
bridgejunior I don't, Know about drummond Though and what is? Philly?

1433
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,560
Beneath the aprons right so there are ten million beneath

1434
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,960
the first, aprons of right now that does Not Include.

1435
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,279
Anything for quentin grime.

1436
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: But do you? Even like the? Fit? THAT'S the thing Oh, i, Hate.

1437
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: It philly right i'm just curious as to how we. Can,

1438
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:38,520
make it happen.

1439
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:42,119
Speaker 2: Yeah let's let's go out a way to make it

1440
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:44,079
happen here though. We hate, THE fit SO.

1441
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah i think i think it's going to end up

1442
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,800
a two year, deal with a, yeah A player option

1443
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,880
but i think it should be like a three year deal.

1444
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,279
WITH a team option i think that allows both parties

1445
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,680
to save phase and makes the most most, sense at

1446
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,880
this point would you consider If, you were the warriors

1447
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:02,960
let's say he'll sign your deal, the team option one

1448
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,720
the one plus one or, the one minus one however

1449
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,600
you want, to flame frame it would you go up

1450
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:09,159
on it to get? Him? TO sign.

1451
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 2: That yeah i, WOULDN'T you would short.

1452
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: I think You'd, be worried about well then how can

1453
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,880
we give out OR for the miniml e still if

1454
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,520
you go let's say two for fifty with the, team option?

1455
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,399
Speaker 2: In, yours OH it well, IF i go up i

1456
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:22,039
don't want to go up to a point where it

1457
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:24,920
comes with, Consequences FOR other players like i don't what

1458
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:26,880
is the max number you can go up to before.

1459
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:27,680
THAT starts getting.

1460
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,399
Speaker 1: Tricky i don't know i'm assuming they. GAMED it out

1461
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,600
perfectly i don't actually know what. That number Would be

1462
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,920
but if kamingu's cap hold, RIGHT now is twenty i

1463
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,600
mean they basically offered him his cap hold twenty. Two

1464
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,039
point nine million so, as of right now with, that

1465
01:10:42,319 --> 01:10:46,119
On the books the warriors are we need them to

1466
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,800
be below the first ape or just. Below the second

1467
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:56,039
apron actually they have fourteen million. In second apron room

1468
01:10:56,079 --> 01:10:59,359
that's so Then it looks. Unless i'm missing somebody that's

1469
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,800
then doual if they wanted to come up a little.

1470
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:07,279
Speaker 2: Bit and his h and what? Was his number there.

1471
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,319
Speaker 1: His number there with them being under that amount on

1472
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:13,439
the second apron is twenty. Two, point nine million yeah

1473
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,199
se so do you BRING that up, to i don't

1474
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:19,520
know two years, and fifty two million maybe a flat?

1475
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,439
Twenty six? EACH year is that i don't even know

1476
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,479
if that gets him to sign it the one. The

1477
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:24,479
one minus.

1478
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: One and that's really. The main thing here it just

1479
01:11:29,039 --> 01:11:33,239
they both seem so checked. OUT on this experience i

1480
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,439
just wonder what the hell like this solution?

1481
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,520
Speaker 1: Is, going to be like is there do you think

1482
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,760
there's A Solution in which jonathan kamnga? Doesn't, come back

1483
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:46,760
unhappy no even if it was even if if the,

1484
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,279
game three years straight three years, and eighty million dollars

1485
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:50,439
you DON'T think that that's.

1486
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 2: I think, he, has aspirations like yeah he'll probably be satisfied,

1487
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,239
from a financial perspective and you can, go into, that season, you,

1488
01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:03,560
KNOW happy goal. Lucky i got paid then the calendar

1489
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,600
month switches And they suddenly it's january and he's playing

1490
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,920
twenty four minutes per game he's not getting the, shots

1491
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,119
that he wants he's not getting the. Opportunity that HE

1492
01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:19,439
wants then. What, i don't know yeah this feels like

1493
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,720
it's just we're just waiting for this, Thing to end

1494
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,800
right like this. Is a doomed relationship we're that we're

1495
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,159
in that friend circle where there's a. Couple they hooked

1496
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:32,479
up we all know it's gonna. End up up poorly

1497
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,279
we're just waiting for. That, shoe to drop so final

1498
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:37,000
question before we.

1499
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: Get, out Of Here yeah is Jonathan kaminga on the

1500
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,720
warriors PAST the twenty? Six nba trade Deadline?

1501
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 2: So, this coming jebruary. NO he is gone.

1502
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if he gets. A second guaranteed. Year

1503
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,359
i don't know IF you could just i guess you say,

1504
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:59,640
He'll just sell low i'll say. No to just it

1505
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,000
just it feels like that's. Where this is headed but signs.

1506
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 2: The freaking, Qualifying offer.

1507
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,520
Speaker 1: Oh man so we. BOTH think that Camp i have

1508
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,279
camp thomas is the most. Likely to, Do It you

1509
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:13,159
have quentin grimes is the most. Likely to do it

1510
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:15,960
what's the percentage chance that you give this one of ending?

1511
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:16,720
With a qualifying?

1512
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:23,079
Speaker 2: Offer PROBABLY ten percent because i think he understands That

1513
01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:26,439
he needs the warriors as a vehicle. To, Get somewhere

1514
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,239
else yeah i'll.

1515
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:31,079
Speaker 1: GO like twenty percent i could just like at one

1516
01:13:31,119 --> 01:13:34,560
and he seems like. A wildcard, to, Me, why so yeah.

1517
01:13:37,239 --> 01:13:39,800
Mort this was great we're able to just tell everyone

1518
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,960
who's watching listening and thank you for. Everyone who watched

1519
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:44,079
live it makes it we do this, to interact with

1520
01:13:44,119 --> 01:13:45,920
you but also because. IT'S a lot easier i, don't

1521
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,239
have to edit it's just up there. On, YouTube and live.

1522
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:51,039
Speaker 2: Yeah it's actually just because. Of your own laziness that's, that's,

1523
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:51,600
why we're.

1524
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:55,199
Speaker 1: Like yeah, we all know Me mister lazy mort can

1525
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:57,039
you tell our listeners where they can find you and

1526
01:13:57,079 --> 01:13:58,079
all the fantastic.

1527
01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:00,119
Speaker 2: Work that you do, and by the way THAT it's

1528
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:02,079
funny because i know. How hard you work that's that's.

1529
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:03,000
WHERE the joke is i don't.

1530
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: WORK hard at all. I think that's right i haven't

1531
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,600
watched a basketball game, SINCE like twenty fifteen. I, don't think.

1532
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 2: Right yeah and your. Basket is coming off that's actually

1533
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,640
going to be your first. Experience exposure to basketball for.

1534
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: Someone Asked me who fronz wagner was the. UNDER the

1535
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,600
other day. I still don't know, i, need, TO know

1536
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,399
right yeah i. Need, to google it Hey time to

1537
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,840
the warriors a nice little bookke end there Cominga Instead,

1538
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,479
Of ron, Z wagner right yeah. I.

1539
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: Wouldn't hate that uh you can find ME over. At

1540
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,399
the np podcast you Can Find. Me at yahoo Sports

1541
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:35,000
find me. At forbes as well uh and if you By,

1542
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:39,239
happen stands speak danish you can find my Podcast. Work

1543
01:14:39,279 --> 01:14:40,239
at buzzer, beater.

1544
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: Until next, time and as always we need to shout,

1545
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,560
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1546
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,960
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1547
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1548
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,399
eventually just dropping FAST and furiously as. I get them,

1549
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,520
done as a reminder if, anyone hasn't seen them we go. Deep,

1550
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,199
into the weeds ever every single team gets their own

1551
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:04,640
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1552
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,560
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1553
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,000
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1554
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:12,000
importantly until next, time and as always we leave the

1555
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,560
shout out to one the only still waiting on his,

1556
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,159
offer In free Agency mister frank new keino