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So a twenty three year old 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:36,520 independent YouTube journalist named Nick Shirley went around Minneapolis Saint 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,359 Paul area with an independent researcher guy named Dave, who 12 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:43,679 had made a whole bunch over the last five years. 13 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:49,399 He's been apparently paying visits to daycares and asking can 14 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:52,439 he enroll his grandson in these daycares? And they keep 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,240 saying no. And he noticed something really odd that first off, 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,159 they were located in these warehouses and industrial parks and such. 17 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:03,039 All the windows were blacked out, there were no playground equipment, 18 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:06,760 and most importantly, no kids. He said, never did he 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,239 encounter a single child at any one of the daycare 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,280 centers that he visited over the last four or five 21 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:18,640 years of his independent research. He tagged along with Nick Shirley, 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,120 who posted the video about forty eight hours ago or 23 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:28,359 so maybe Friday, I guess, and Nick Shirley uncovered and 24 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:32,599 confirmed the very same thing that David had said. He 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,719 found that none of these places seemed to be actual 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,079 daycare providers. They also then went to adult healthcare home 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,760 healthcare providers, same thing. Many of them located in the 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:49,920 same sort of business building, right warehouse industrial kind of building, 29 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:57,719 and they also checked out some transportation providers. All of 30 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,719 this stuff is funded by government grant And what Nick 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,040 Shirley claimed is that there was somewhere in the neighborhood 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,159 of one hundred and ten million dollars worth of fraud 33 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,719 that could be attached here to all of the places 34 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:17,240 that they identified among those different operations based on the 35 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:25,039 annual grants that these businesses these companies had received. So 36 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:30,599 the real story here because journalisming rule number two is 37 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:33,879 that when the scandal involves a Republican, the story is 38 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,120 the scandal, but when a scandal involves a Democrat, the 39 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:44,280 story is the Republican response to that scandal. Right, So 40 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,919 the first step is to basically ignore the story as 41 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,639 much as you can if you don't like who may 42 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,520 be implicated in this level of fraud. And so that's 43 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,599 been the approach that a lot of legacy meets outlets 44 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:05,400 have been taking because there has been no press conference 45 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:08,599 held by a US attorney. For example, as we saw 46 00:03:08,599 --> 00:03:13,319 about two weeks ago, when some nine billion dollars worth 47 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:17,520 of medicaid fraud was alleged by the US Attorney's office. 48 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,719 Dozens of people charged, several convicted already and they are 49 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:26,479 still investigating all of that stuff. So that that was 50 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,240 the first wave of it. And after that popped, that's 51 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,639 when Nick Shirley hooked up with this guy David, and 52 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,080 they went around to look at some other areas where 53 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,520 fraud may be occurring. And that's what prompted him to 54 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,639 do the video. Now, because he is an independent YouTuber, 55 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:48,199 he's not, you know, a credentialed journalist working out of 56 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:53,319 an august newsroom like the New York Times or something. 57 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,319 The story is being ignored. There's a website that I 58 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:01,319 use to track the kind of average that a story gets. 59 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,719 It's called ground News. You can check it out. And 60 00:04:06,639 --> 00:04:09,879 this morning, I believe was when I checked. When I 61 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:15,960 checked the coverage. Zero stories on the center or center 62 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:20,480 left of this story that Nick Shirley blew open over 63 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,879 the weekend. And when I say blue open, like if 64 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,839 you are, if you're on social media and you are 65 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,040 on the center right or the right, like you're on 66 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:33,399 that side of the political spectrum, you are well aware 67 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:36,720 of the story. You probably watched the video on YouTube 68 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,439 or sorry, on Twitter alone formerly known as X. On Twitter, 69 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,920 it's got something like one hundred million views. It's ridiculous. 70 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:52,360 On YouTube, it's got something approaching one hundred million views also, 71 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,399 So it is a massive story, but it's really only 72 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:02,800 been on the right. The legacy media, the quote mainstream media, 73 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,319 whatever you want to call them, they have largely ignored 74 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,279 the story. Now maybe they are marshaling their resources to 75 00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:13,560 go and do their own investigative journalism in too. That's 76 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,959 as they should, and that is sort of the path 77 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,680 that a lot of newsrooms take, which is if you 78 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,279 don't if you don't break the story, if you're not 79 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:27,519 the one that did the investigation into the story, but 80 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:30,319 you know, the story has legs, and so you're going 81 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,279 to keep pursuing it and you can kind of get 82 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:35,839 some different angles or the story is big enough that 83 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:38,600 you have to cover it, you know, then you will 84 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,160 devote your own resources and reporters to go track it down. 85 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,120 And so maybe that's what's happening. We could see some 86 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,759 more reporting on it. But the only coverage that I 87 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:55,480 saw from any center left or left media newsrooms the 88 00:05:55,519 --> 00:06:02,839 one place therap dot com. The rap that's the only 89 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,879 plass I saw it. And a lot of this sounds 90 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:08,959 like it was written by AI. Okay, but here's the 91 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:15,800 real story. Headline Young journalists video exposing alleged billion dollar 92 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:21,720 fraud scheme in Minnesota goes viral like wildfire. Okay. Oh, 93 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:24,439 And I should point out the reason why I suspect 94 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,720 a lot of newsrooms don't want to touch the story 95 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:33,480 is because this industrial scale fraud, it seems to be 96 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:41,319 mainly contained within the Somali community in Minnesota. There's a 97 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:49,519 large Somali population. And some of the stats of the 98 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:52,839 transportation companies, for example, over a thousand of these transportation 99 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,240 companies in the Minneapolis Saint Paul area. Of the one 100 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:01,879 thousand plus eight hundred of them are owned by some right, 101 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:07,560 same thing with the daycare centers, healthcare centers, and now 102 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,199 I just saw by the way, somebody took a look. 103 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:19,959 Let me see here it is. There are five hundred 104 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,560 This is from kristin meg There are five hundred and 105 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,759 thirty nine childcare centers in Washington State that list Somali 106 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,360 as the primary language. Most do not even give a 107 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:37,199 street address according to their official documents. So it seems 108 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:42,600 to me like the Somalis have as a community a 109 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:46,600 closed community. They do not welcome outsiders and such. They 110 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:53,560 are very sort of insulated amongst themselves in America. It 111 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:59,680 seems like they have figured out a template, and that 112 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:04,519 is to set up a affront business of some kind 113 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:08,399 that can then draw government grants and you don't actually 114 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:12,920 ever have to provide any services for any clients because 115 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,759 nobody will come and inspect them. And one of the 116 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,560 reasons why this occurs is there is a fear of 117 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,959 being called racist or xenophobic or Islamophobic because the Somali 118 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:31,079 community has accused people of being that whenever anybody questioned 119 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:34,279 over the last five years or so. There and I 120 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,320 talked about this a couple of weeks ago when people 121 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,360 started asking some questions after Minnesota Star Tribune story, they 122 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:45,720 were accused of being racist. Politicians elected leaders. They were 123 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,759 accused of being racist and xenophobic and Islamophobic for questioning. 124 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:55,360 And it's a large voter block and they make campaign donations, 125 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,639 so there is an incentive there to not ask questions. So, 126 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:07,399 with modern communications being what they are, word spreads of 127 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,840 all the riches to be made in America, there is 128 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:14,559 an easy immigration process for Somali's, particularly under the Temporary 129 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:20,000 Protected Status rule that allowed them to come legally, which, 130 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:24,080 by the way, Donald Trump two weeks ago said he 131 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:27,600 was going to revoke the TPS, right, so there was 132 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:30,440 a system built to allow for this kind of fraud 133 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:36,480 to proliferate. That's what it looks like right now. But 134 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,039 we'll see because now the federal investigators are all over this. 135 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,960 You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense 136 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,440 of things, to understand experiences. 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There's an 154 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,799 old saying it's actually not very old, but says modern 155 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:54,840 journalism is about covering a story with a pillow until 156 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:59,840 it stops moving, And I suspect that's what we are 157 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:05,240 seeing now with some of the response, and by some, 158 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,200 I mean like really, the only response to Nick Shirley's 159 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:13,919 YouTube video is report where he went around and visited 160 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:19,000 a bunch of these somally owned daycare, adult healthcare, and 161 00:11:19,039 --> 00:11:23,240 transportation companies that did not have any clients, did not 162 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,240 want to have him as a client. They wouldn't even 163 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,039 open the doors for him, everything was locked up. They 164 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:32,000 appeared to be fronts for fraud taking government grants from 165 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:34,960 the state coffers as well as the federal collers. Okay, 166 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,960 he had a researcher with him, guy that he only 167 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:42,679 named his David. David has claimed he claimed that he 168 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,919 has been assaulted on two different occasions when he attempted 169 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,600 to go and roll his grandchildren in some of these 170 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,279 daycares in order to try to gain access to see 171 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:56,559 are there any kids there? He never saw any kids there, 172 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,000 he says. His personal inquiry, which has included his own 173 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,639 own research and sources at the State House in Saint Paul, 174 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,639 has uncovered more than one thousand fraudulent service oriented businesses, 175 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,600 more than eight hundred of which are Somali owned. Again, 176 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:15,159 this is the only article I could find in any 177 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,559 center left or left publications, and this one comes from 178 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:24,440 the Wrap dot com written by Josh Dickey. Shirley started 179 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,480 posting regularly to his YouTube channel in twenty nineteen and 180 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:31,039 has built a large online following by posting videos that 181 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,159 combine on the ground interviews, commentary, and investigative style reporting, 182 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,240 especially on political and social topics. His content often involves 183 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,080 interviewing people in public spaces, exploring controversial issues, and presenting 184 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,879 bold narratives about social unrest, immigration protests, and alleged fraud. 185 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,360 So I mean this sounds like Ai wrote this. His 186 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,080 significant following leans toward conservative digital circles. His posts are 187 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,320 amplified by police figures like Elon Musk and JD. Vance, 188 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:09,600 and he has attracted criticism over his methods and perceived bias. 189 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,600 So the response. By the way, there's a feature on 190 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:21,080 Twitter called community notes, and I think Facebook implemented a 191 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:27,399 similar system where if somebody is posting something that is misinformation, disinformation, whatever, 192 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:36,600 people can like, people can apply to be community note 193 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:42,240 providers or noters community notes. I don't know where you 194 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:44,960 can go in if you have access to this, which 195 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,799 by the way, I do. I am one of these 196 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,840 bird watchers or whatever they were called under Twitter, and 197 00:13:49,879 --> 00:13:53,039 you can post a community note to say what this 198 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,080 tweet says is incorrect and here's why, and you give 199 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,960 some links, and then anybody who's part of that program 200 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,879 and they rate it, they vote on your proposed note, 201 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:05,919 and if you get a certain number of votes, a 202 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:10,200 certain percentage or whatever, that community note now gets attached 203 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,720 to the tweet and you've probably seen these, right community 204 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:21,279 notes added context or something like that. This kid's video 205 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:23,639 has been seen a hundred million times on Twitter. There's 206 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:25,960 still no community note. There was one, and all it 207 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:29,000 was was calling him an eight, which has never appeared 208 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,480 because everybody downvoted it because it's it's not substantive. You're 209 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:38,879 not addressing anything that he is raised in the video. 210 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:41,919 So here is what I suspect is going to be 211 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,080 the approach this from. It doesn't even matter a woman 212 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,399 on Twitter, She says, the craziest part of this video 213 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,240 is when they don't identify themselves, meaning Nick Shirley, They 214 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:57,559 don't identify themselves, demand to know where the children are, 215 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,320 and then try to yank open a daycare door as 216 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,840 the female employees pull on it to keep them out, right, 217 00:15:04,879 --> 00:15:10,320 So this is the defense now as well as that, 218 00:15:10,519 --> 00:15:16,039 Oh my gosh, look at this influencer, this YouTuber. He's 219 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:22,360 gotten all of this attention, so he's making money off 220 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:25,519 of all of the clicks and the views. So he's 221 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:28,279 making all of this money. Now, this is going to 222 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:39,080 incentivize more people to go and do investigative research like this. Yeah, 223 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:45,240 I'm okay with that yeah, really, yeah, I'm okay with that. 224 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,960 That's what we want, right, every man's printing press kind 225 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:53,360 of a deal. Every person, every person's printing press. So 226 00:15:53,919 --> 00:15:57,919 I'm okay with people doing their own independent research and investigations. 227 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:02,360 I watched him now again, I said this last hour. 228 00:16:02,799 --> 00:16:07,519 I watched the video, and I think that he could 229 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,039 he could employ some different tactics that might make him 230 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:15,879 more successful in getting through the door, you know, and 231 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,759 actually getting people on the record or something. But there 232 00:16:20,799 --> 00:16:23,159 wasn't anything illegal about what he was doing. There wasn't 233 00:16:23,159 --> 00:16:26,679 any He wasn't aggressive towards anybody. He shows up wearing, 234 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,799 you know, a hoodie. He's got a little, you know, tiny, 235 00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:32,720 a little microphone that like clips onto his onto his 236 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:35,320 lapel kind of thing, and he just takes it off 237 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,200 and he just asks him, and he's got his camera 238 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,600 guy with him. He should have gone undercover, that's what 239 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,159 he should have done, in order to try to gain 240 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,480 access into the rooms to see what's actually occurring. But look, 241 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:48,960 if we really want to know what's happening inside of 242 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,519 these centers, inside of these front businesses, then the only 243 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:57,000 ones that are empowered to do so are government officials, 244 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:01,960 those who are supposed to be doing inspections of these 245 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:08,920 facilities right, unannounced spot inspections. Just walk in be like 246 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:11,759 I'm here to do it. I'm here to do an inspection. 247 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:16,960 Where are all the kids? Right? And that is really 248 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,119 the scandal is that you've got all of these businesses 249 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:27,759 operating and somehow or another, there's no government oversight on 250 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:32,480 any of it. North Carolina had a very similar experience. 251 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,559 This is now a decade ago almost when Pat McCrory 252 00:17:36,599 --> 00:17:41,680 became governor and the North Carolina legislature passed a bill 253 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:50,880 to toughen the inspection protocols basically for abortion clinics, and 254 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,079 the left went nuts, but basically was saying like, you've 255 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,640 got these clinics that are operating and there aren't any 256 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,799 inspections occurring, and you've got people that are going in there, 257 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,359 they're having these procedures done, and we don't even know 258 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,200 if they're like meeting basic sanitary standards because you're not checking. 259 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,920 So they said, here's the thing. Now, you got to 260 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,720 go in and check them, and you got to do 261 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,599 reports on them, and you got to meet like this, 262 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,319 you have to meet the same sanitary standards as veterinarian 263 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,160 clinics and the left went nuts. But see, if you're 264 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,519 going to get government funds for these types of programs 265 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:35,000 and services, then there has to be the follow up 266 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,759 by the government that is handing out the taxpayer money 267 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,640 to ensure that these are not fraudulent front operations. It's 268 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,279 really pretty simple. That to me is the scandal. All right, 269 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:50,720 Holiday football has arrived. 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But 297 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,920 I repeat myself, I think they don't want to scratch 298 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:32,880 this because if they do, they are afraid of what's underneath. 299 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,559 And I think you know Tim Walls as the governor, 300 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,160 you know, the buck stops with him, to be sure. 301 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:45,759 As for the sort of day to day operations and 302 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,160 who knew what and when that sort of stuff. I 303 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,880 think there is a real fear that it's going to 304 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,480 implicate people like Congresswoman elon Omar. I mean, she has 305 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:04,279 been a a loud, you know, defender of the Somali community. 306 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,920 She herself is Somali. Uh. And she's got a bunch 307 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,359 of scandal you know, around her from marrying her brother 308 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,359 allegedly in order to get citizenship and uh and and 309 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,640 now like her wealth explosion that's occurred since she got 310 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,920 into Congress. So there are Yeah, I think there are 311 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,799 a lot of concerns about who may be implicated in 312 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,119 all of that. To be sure, I don't know, but 313 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,720 I think that's part of the concern and why a 314 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,119 lot of people are hoping this just kind of goes away. 315 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,880 But at this scale, I don't see how that's possible. 316 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:46,279 There is a writer on Twitter. His name, he goes 317 00:21:46,279 --> 00:21:49,599 by a name Cynical Publius. It's his num deplume, if 318 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:55,119 you will. He says, I'm not sure that most Americans 319 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:02,519 understand that in large swathes or swapped of humanity, there 320 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:06,960 is no actual concept of fraud. And when I read that, 321 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:13,680 I was like, huh, there's no concept of fraud, particularly 322 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,920 fraud against the government. Instead, he says, there is a 323 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,319 belief in the virtue of getting away with what you 324 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,599 can to help yourself and your tribe, whatever your tribe is, 325 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,599 your clan, whatever it is. That it's okay, it's not fraud. 326 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,519 You're just getting yours. That's what everybody does. That's the virtue. 327 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,279 Look at me, I got this stuff from mine, he said. 328 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:45,000 I spent a lot of time of my life in 329 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,680 the Middle East and Central Asia working closely with foreign 330 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:52,640 contractors and foreign governments to provide support to American military 331 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,799 operations as a US Army officer with a big checkbook 332 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,599 courtesy of Uncle Sam. I can't really count the sheer 333 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,200 number of times I was offered bribes to award a 334 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,880 contract or, falsify records, to do things like create larger 335 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,799 fake head counts at places like dining facilities, or to 336 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,359 just simply be on the take for future illegal requests. 337 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,720 By the way, I read a book a long time ago, 338 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,240 I think it was called The French Betrayal of America, 339 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,599 and it talked a lot about how this sort of 340 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:32,279 graft is just embedded in the French system. And the 341 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:38,160 author talked about you know Boeing versus air Bus, and 342 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:44,839 how in various you know, bids to airlines and stuff 343 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,319 and governments for planes that air Bus always had this, 344 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:57,160 this bribery factor built in to their contracts. So that 345 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:00,559 seemed that that seems to indicate that, yeah, there's there's 346 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,160 some acceptance of this. It's not like the whole world 347 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,720 believes like this is wrong. He says. Of course I 348 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:10,000 had enough sense to never comply with any of these 349 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:15,599 requests for bribes and such. Moreover, they were never explicitly 350 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,079 structured as bribes. Instead, it was usually along the lines 351 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,200 of here, I have these rolexes as gifts for you 352 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:27,960 and your wife to show our friendship. Unfortunately, too many 353 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:32,599 US officers and NCOs succumbed to this sirens song and 354 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:36,480 ended up breaking rocks in Leavenworth. The weird thing about 355 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,720 this to me was that whenever I turned down such 356 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:43,960 an offering, it was treated as a grave insult. I 357 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,559 was the one in the wrong, not the fraudster trying 358 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:50,039 to bribe me. No, it was me. They considered it 359 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,680 rude that I was in their country and refused to 360 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:58,079 accept how things got done there. After all, why did 361 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,359 I want? Why did I not want to help my 362 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,599 tribe by helping their tribe. Right, that's a good trade. 363 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,119 And it's just you got the big checkbook. Just you 364 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,160 give me somebody, I give you some money, and our 365 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,799 tribes are good. It's like they don't view the government 366 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:21,759 being defrauded as wrong, he says. Let me repeat myself, 367 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:27,799 in these cultures, fraud is not even a concept. There 368 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,680 is only what helps your tribe. It doesn't even exist 369 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,000 as a concept. This reminds me, by the way of 370 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,160 a comment that was made by Democratic State Representative Carla 371 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,480 Cunningham on the floor of the North Carolina General Assembly 372 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:48,359 a few months ago now maybe where she said not 373 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:52,960 all cultures are equal, they're not all the same. And 374 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,480 Democrats and media, but I repeat myself, they went into 375 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,799 fits over this. She's got herself a primary challenger now 376 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,119 because she said that, and she's voted with Republicans on 377 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:09,359 you know, enforcing immigration law. And remember I had a 378 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,400 state senator from Charlotte on the show because he had 379 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,359 attacked Carla Cunningham saying, how dare she say, oh, cultures 380 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,759 aren't the same or aren't equal. I forget the exact 381 00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:23,519 verbis she used, And so I asked him, and he 382 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:26,200 kept telling, he kept dodging, he kept telling me, Oh, 383 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:27,759 you got to look at it in the context of 384 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,759 what the debate was about. I'm like, well, what's the context? 385 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:32,920 Like are they equal? Like she made an assertion, you're 386 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,200 saying the assertion was wrong. Tell me why it's wrong. 387 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,799 And he wouldn't do it. And I suspect it's because 388 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:43,119 he couldn't do it, because there are cultures that if 389 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,839 you're taking a you know, you're compiling a ledger of 390 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,119 the good stuff of a culture and the bad stuff 391 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,079 of a culture. For example, I would submit throwing gay 392 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,119 people off of rooftops is not a good thing in 393 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,920 a culture. I don't find that to be ideal. I 394 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,799 would say that's a check mark in the negative column 395 00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:05,480 for a culture that does that, a society that does that. 396 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:08,039 And if you are coming from a society that says 397 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,079 that's acceptable, I don't think you have a place here 398 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,119 because I don't want to see people thrown off the 399 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,680 rooftops in America. See see how that works. Like that's 400 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,160 a pretty big one. You get into the FGM stuff 401 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,960 as well, this stoning of adulterers and those sorts of 402 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,200 things that's not to say that everything about American culture 403 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,880 is perfect. I'm not saying that either we have obvious 404 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,240 things in our culture that other people don't want to 405 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,960 see or we don't even like. But they're not all equal, 406 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,759 and that has to be part of the decision when 407 00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:44,119 determining do you want mass migration of people from a 408 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,960 culture that have no concept of government fraud? If they 409 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,079 don't even have a concept of it, do you want 410 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,440 a lot of people coming into the country to then 411 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,960 commit those types of government fraudulent activities because they don't 412 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,799 have a concept that it's wrong. Such thought processes, he says, 413 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,160 are so alien to Americans and much of the West. 414 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,839 We are raised on the presumption that our institutions are 415 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,839 valid and that the rule of law always prevails, and 416 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,640 that integrity is universal. We need these presumptions to have 417 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,559 working governments and economies. And without these presumptions, without the 418 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,839 mental barrier that causes us not to accept outright fraud, 419 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,200 our nation would quickly descend into the economic and social 420 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:32,279 healthscape of countries like Oh, I don't know how to 421 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:36,920 pick a random one, Somalia, right, how long has that 422 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,160 country been ripped apart by violence and poverty and such 423 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,920 like with all the help that we have given that 424 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,640 country over the years, Like I was a kid when 425 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,880 we started giving money to Somalia. All right, if you're 426 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,680 listening to this show, you know I try to keep 427 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:53,480 up with all sorts of current events, and I know 428 00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:55,920 you do too. 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Federal agents fanned out 449 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,119 across parts of Minnesota EH today, knocking on doors and 450 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,200 questioning workers at businesses tied to a massive fraud investigation 451 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:18,559 that has rocked the state and drawn national attention. According 452 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:21,839 to The New York Post, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents 453 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,359 targeted locations suspected of being linked to a sprawling social 454 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,799 services fraud scheme as part of a broader effort to 455 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:34,279 identify potential immigration violations connected to the case. Okay, so 456 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,799 DHS is on the ground. According to the Department of 457 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:42,720 Homeland Security. Going door to door it suspected fraud sites. 458 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,839 Apparently they hit a tobacco and vape shop in Burnsville, 459 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:56,160 just south of Minneapolis. Investigators are examining allegations that as 460 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,119 much as nine billion dollars may have been stolen through 461 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,559 fraudulent use of federally funded state programs. The scheme is 462 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,599 believed to involve sham businesses and nonprofits that build for 463 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,880 services that were never provided. Okay, so this is in 464 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,839 connection to the original announcement that was about two weeks 465 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,400 ago from the US Attorney's office. When you hear the 466 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,640 nine billion dollar number, that was the announcement from two 467 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:30,039 weeks ago. The Nick Shirley viral video that's about daycares, healthcare, 468 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:37,160 adult healthcare, home healthcare services, and transportation companies. That's what 469 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,240 he went around and visited and did his YouTube video 470 00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:43,680 on that's gotten you know, one hundred million whatever plus 471 00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:51,079 views now. But again, federal officials are aware of his video, 472 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,759 so I suspect they are going to be you know, 473 00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,920 widening the net. Let me see here this anything else 474 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,640 another video. They're just posting videos. Okay, authorready say the 475 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,559 fraud scheme relied on newly formed businesses and nonprofit organizations 476 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:18,839 that claim to provide services such as housing assistance, food programs, daycare, 477 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:23,440 or healthcare. Prosecutors allege those entities then submitted inflated or 478 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,079 entirely false claims to state programs backed by federal funding. 479 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:32,920 By the way, the state of Minnesota went from like 480 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,599 a multi billion dollar surplus to a multi billion dollar 481 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:44,119 deficit in like two years. And you can see like 482 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:50,079 the explosion in the state or the state programs federally funded, 483 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:53,960 but the states have to cover a portion of those costs. 484 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:57,160 They get federal matching grants and such. So it's a mix. 485 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,640 And you got, you know, right after COVID, basically you 486 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,359 have this massive growth of all of these I would 487 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:11,039 submit sham companies providing no actual services and getting all 488 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,440 this grant money and at the same time a cratering 489 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:22,920 of the state's finances. So back to cynical Publius, he says, 490 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,079 when we import people end mass from cultures that accept 491 00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:31,680 bribery and fraud as routine, like they don't. And look 492 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,119 this like, I'm not saying anything, like I'm not making 493 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,079 a I'm not making an indictment here on individual people 494 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,119 that happened to come from different countries or cultures, like 495 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:51,160 for example, there is no cultural uncomfortableness with gambling in 496 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:57,160 Asian countries, Okay, So like and that's I'm not saying 497 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,680 that to denigrade or anything like that. I'm saying there's 498 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,680 not this restriction from like a religious perspective that we 499 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,519 in America have had for a very long time. Now 500 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:12,280 that's obviously loosening here in America. But over there on 501 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,280 the other side of the world, there hasn't been that 502 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,280 kind of you know, sort of an ethical look down 503 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,719 your nose at people who are gambling. That hasn't been 504 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,960 the case. And so it's out in the open, and 505 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,320 a lot of people participate in the activity. They don't 506 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,679 see anything wrong with it. It's just a different cultural norm. So, 507 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,079 if bribery is part of your culture and that's just 508 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,880 the way you get stuff done, Soviet Union was the 509 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,440 same way that that was because of communism. But still 510 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,599 like that, people just had to bribe in order to 511 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:46,280 get anything that you needed because communism. But anyway, do 512 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,519 you want people who see this as a normal course 513 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:53,320 of practice? Do you want to import hundreds of thousands 514 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,199 of them into your country if you disagree with them 515 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,199 on a pretty big deal, like committing fraud against the government, 516 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,079 that's a big deal. In our culture. We don't like that. 517 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:09,320 We get offended by that, he says. If you're going 518 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,440 to import hundreds of thousands of people from cultures that 519 00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:18,239 accept bribery and fraud as routine, as acceptable ways to 520 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,840 advance your own tribe, we should not be surprised that 521 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,119 things like the eight billion dollar fraud schemes of the 522 00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:28,599 Somali population in Minnesota happen so easily. Introducing a fraud 523 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:34,079 based culture based on tribalism, a fraud based culture based 524 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:38,239 on tribalism, bringing that into America is like introducing some 525 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,039 sort of lethal virus into a population that has no 526 00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:44,079 natural immunity to it. The virus will spread and grow 527 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,159 unchecked because it's so alien to the host. Similarly, a 528 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,880 culture of fraud is anathema to American thinking, and it 529 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,239 must be cut out before it consumes the host. So 530 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,559 when you see and hear patriotic Americans decrying what is 531 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:04,119 happening in Minnesota or elsewhere, and when they seek deportation 532 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,880 of the offenders, that's not racism, it's not bigotry, it's 533 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:15,000 not xenophobia. It's preserving the American tradition of responsible institutions 534 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:21,159 and national integrity. And I think he's exactly right. Christopher 535 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,079 Rufo wrote about this the other day, saying that different 536 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:30,039 groups have different cultural characteristics. The national culture of Somalia 537 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:33,239 is different from the national culture of Norway. For example, 538 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,880 Somalis and Norwegians therefore tend to think differently. They behave differently. 539 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,000 They organize themselves differently, which leads to different group outcomes. 540 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:48,519 Norwegians in Minnesota, eh behave similarly to Norwegians in Norway. 541 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,440 Somalis in Minnesota behaves similarly to Somalis in Somalia, which 542 00:36:54,440 --> 00:37:01,079 makes sense. Many cultural patterns from Somalia, particularly their clan networks, 543 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,280 their informal economies, distrust of state institutions, which I can 544 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,119 totally understand that right from Somalia. You don't trust your 545 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:14,960 government if you even have one in Somalia, right, So 546 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,960 those patterns travel with the people who are fleeing Somalia 547 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:27,039 and come to America in the absence of strong assimilation pressures. 548 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,039 The fraud networks are not so surprising. They reflect the 549 00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:35,920 extension of Somali institutional norms into a new environment with 550 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:41,639 weak enforcement and poorly designed incentives. Now, part of the 551 00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:43,719 other problem here, and you heard reference to this in 552 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,119 the Nick Shirley video, is that they is the Somali 553 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:54,239 community in Minnesota, and I suspect elsewhere is very closed. 554 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:59,960 They don't allow outsiders into their networks, into their clan, 555 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:03,119 their families, their tribes. They don't they don't allow for that, 556 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,199 and so it's sort of in us versus them, and 557 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,960 what that does though practically speaking, is it limits assimilation. 558 00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:16,320 So they don't they don't get the interaction with Americans 559 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,880 who are who would have a different norm, which is 560 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,440 to say, no, you don't defraud the government. No, you 561 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,039 don't take this grant money and operate sham daycare centers. 562 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,480 That's illegal. You shouldn't do. It's unethical, it's wrong. It's 563 00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,480 a different norm here. But if you are closed off 564 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:36,440 to that other norm, then you never get told that. 565 00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:42,239 So it's like cultures are different people. All right. That'll 566 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,920 do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 567 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,159 I could not do the show without your support and 568 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,920 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 569 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,360 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 570 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,119 them you heard it here. You can also become a 571 00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:58,800 patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetekalanershow dot com. Again, 572 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:01,599 thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything 573 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:09,639 while I'm gone. M hmm.