Speaker 1: It is The Jesse Kelly Show, another hour of The
Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show on a magnificent Wednesday. So you know
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Speaker 1: we've got some impeachments coming down the pike. Emails, all that,
Speaker 1: so much more coming up in the third hour of
Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show. But it's our two, and as promised,
Speaker 1: we are now going to pick up where we left
Speaker 1: off last night and continue our history, a history not
Speaker 1: many people know about the Rhodesian Bush War. If you
Speaker 1: missed a lot of the background, so much of it
Speaker 1: was background, It was tribal stuff. And if you miss that,
Speaker 1: I don't have time to recap it for you. Now
Speaker 1: we must move on in the story. iHeart Spotify iTunes.
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Speaker 1: no charge for any of this. Our two of last night,
Speaker 1: we gave a lot of the background. Your thirty second
Speaker 1: to one minute background. Is this. A man named Cecil
Speaker 1: Rhodes grabbed a bunch of miners, other people, yes, women
Speaker 1: and children, walked into a tribal land, a tribal land
Speaker 1: that had stuff he wanted. They started to mine there.
Speaker 1: There were two historically there were more, but two main
Speaker 1: rival tribes there who'd hated each other and slaved each other,
Speaker 1: slaughtered each other, raped each other, and burned each other
Speaker 1: alive for a very long time. At some point they
Speaker 1: did it in front of the Europeans. There was a
Speaker 1: big uprising. The Europeans were mortified by such savagery, and
Speaker 1: they stepped up and they said, okay, this place is
Speaker 1: kind of ours. Now this is done. You all, you people,
Speaker 1: you tribes, you tribesmen, you go over there. You other tribesmen,
Speaker 1: you go over there. Now. This is what colonization looked
Speaker 1: like a lot of the time. We're about to lay
Speaker 1: it out for the British Empire. Remember when your history
Speaker 1: professor in college was whining and crying about colonialism. That's
Speaker 1: actually kind of a ridiculous term because there are so
Speaker 1: many different ways to quote colonize a country and let's
Speaker 1: be honest, right now. Colonization is simply a more peaceful
Speaker 1: form of conquest. That's what it is. So let's just
Speaker 1: call it all conquest, shall we. There is a spectrum,
Speaker 1: isn't there? We could go with the old. Well, the
Speaker 1: easiest one would be Genghis Khan form of conquest. Hey,
Speaker 1: I really like your lands. I think I shall take
Speaker 1: my gigantic army in there, and i will slaughter every man,
Speaker 1: woman and child. I'll even send a rearguard back to
Speaker 1: your city to ensure I killed all the pets, and
Speaker 1: then I'll move in. That is obviously an extreme end
Speaker 1: of that spectrum, but that's how conquest has been done.
Speaker 1: Then there are other types. The French. The French would
Speaker 1: be more likely to kind of not really move in,
Speaker 1: but trade with you, right, They'll provide security, they'll trade
Speaker 1: with you. The Spanish. The Spanish were about as hands
Speaker 1: off with so much of their conquest as you can be.
Speaker 1: And I know about the Spanish conquest of Mexico and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but the Spanish and all their colonization or conquest, they
Speaker 1: really just kind of wanted the gold. Hey, just give
Speaker 1: me some gold. You have any gold, I'll take some gold. British,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, did it smarter than anyone else. Because
Speaker 1: here's what the British always believed about conquering colonizing any place.
Speaker 1: The British believed that you should move in. They believe
Speaker 1: that possession was nine tenths of the law. And you
Speaker 1: can't ever really grab control of a place just by
Speaker 1: sending emissaries from Afar and picking up a shipment of
Speaker 1: gold along the coast. No, you needed your people physically
Speaker 1: building homes and schools and roads. You need your people
Speaker 1: moving in and setting up shop. But wait, there's more.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it sound all bad. You're
Speaker 1: against conquest. They also believed in integrating the local population
Speaker 1: as you moved in. The Brits did not want to
Speaker 1: slaughter everybody. They actually didn't want to send everyone away
Speaker 1: as requ you geez. And we're talking about this spot
Speaker 1: in Africa Africa here, but Britain did this in many
Speaker 1: other places. They wanted to find a way where Yes,
Speaker 1: they took over. I'm not making them sound completely magnanimous here.
Speaker 1: They wanted to take over, but they also wanted to Hey,
Speaker 1: all these tribes and things like that, look will help
Speaker 1: you out too. How About how about some clothes, how
Speaker 1: about a job, how about access to medicine, how about
Speaker 1: how let's let's help let us help you too. You
Speaker 1: are gonna work for us, like you're gonna work under us.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, but we're gonna help each other here
Speaker 1: your life will be better. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: act as if they did this just out of the
Speaker 1: kindness of their hearts. Of course there'd be some of that,
Speaker 1: but really, for the Brits, and this is why I
Speaker 1: think it was so brilliant, it just made more sense.
Speaker 1: We want to take the place, we want to take
Speaker 1: it over. Slaughtering everybody generally doesn't work. It's hard to do,
Speaker 1: it's hard to make. As we've talked about before in
Speaker 1: the show, you can't really kill your way out of
Speaker 1: a problem. Usually that's difficult. But if you can somehow
Speaker 1: make the people you're conquering, make their day to day
Speaker 1: lives better, then you have to deal with a lot
Speaker 1: less rebellion, a lot fewer problems. They might even go
Speaker 1: along with it. And in fact, Rhodesia eventually we're not
Speaker 1: quite there yet. Rhodesia kind of gets to that place
Speaker 1: for a while. But right now we are post this
Speaker 1: little tribal war. The English are mortified. The Europeans in
Speaker 1: Zimbabwe are mortified, and they say, okay, enough is enough.
Speaker 1: Now it's ours. But what does it's ours mean? Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about what it was before the Europeans got there.
Speaker 1: As you know, tribal lands. But what does that mean
Speaker 1: tribal lands? Well, a tribe at least these tribes, the
Speaker 1: way they worked, they would find some remote area, it's
Speaker 1: all remote, there's no civilization. They'd find an area that
Speaker 1: had things they needed. And what does every tribe need?
Speaker 1: Every tribe needs some way to eat. Maybe you're a
Speaker 1: hunting tribe, maybe you do agriculture. Every tribe needs water.
Speaker 1: Let's find a river, let's find something. Tribes are going
Speaker 1: to find locations that work for them and that's where
Speaker 1: they're going to build their village, their huts. That's how
Speaker 1: it's going to work. And in many ways, the tribes
Speaker 1: were extremely isolated. The villages were isolated from each other.
Speaker 1: These were people who didn't build roads, they didn't have
Speaker 1: the wheel you as a young boy, I mentioned the
Speaker 1: two tribes yesterday. I'll mention them again, the Shona and
Speaker 1: the Indobelly and by the way, the Indiebelly go buy
Speaker 1: several names. I'm just calling them into belly, the Shona
Speaker 1: in the Indobelly. If you were a young boy, you
Speaker 1: were born in this village, for this Indobelly village, there
Speaker 1: is a reasonable chance you never left. Yeah, you would
Speaker 1: go out and you would go hunt, or maybe you
Speaker 1: would go to war or something like that. But you
Speaker 1: certainly didn't bounce around the country. We modern day people,
Speaker 1: certainly modern day Americans, anyone, anyone living in a first
Speaker 1: world country live listening to me right now? You've been
Speaker 1: on a road trip. How abnout you? Maybe you still
Speaker 1: live in your hometown, but you know what a place
Speaker 1: one hundred miles from you looks like, don't you? Of
Speaker 1: course you're almost probably scoffing. I'm laughing. Of course everyone does.
Speaker 1: Maybe you've even been on a plane. That way of
Speaker 1: thinking is totally foreign to these people who live in
Speaker 1: this area. What's one of the very first things the
Speaker 1: Europeans start to do. Roads, They start to build roads,
Speaker 1: they start to build train tracks. Why well, they're moving
Speaker 1: goods and services and people to and fro and now
Speaker 1: they're connecting villages that had previously never been connected before.
Speaker 1: The African people in some time, in some ways they're
Speaker 1: moving to and fro in ways they've never moved before.
Speaker 1: And in some ways they're getting run out of an area.
Speaker 1: If the English, if the europe let's stop calling them English,
Speaker 1: because there were people from all over the European world.
Speaker 1: If the Europeans wanted that area, remember they decided they
Speaker 1: were in charge. Now they said you need to leave. Well,
Speaker 1: they were also integrating the local population, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: they tried to do that. They really believed in doing that.
Speaker 1: Let's find a way to weave these people into our society.
Speaker 1: And remember there weren't very many Europeans at the time,
Speaker 1: not very many at all. They were way outnumbered by
Speaker 1: the tribesmen. So crime, for instance, you don't have this
Speaker 1: large European police force, what do you do for cops?
Speaker 1: Every area needs cops. Well, that can create problems if
Speaker 1: you don't understand the area you're taking over. It is
Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic, Fantastic Wednesday, a
Speaker 1: hump Day, doing part two of our history of the
Speaker 1: Rhodesian Bush War. Remember you can email us your love,
Speaker 1: your hate, your death threats, Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.
Speaker 1: The Europeans are starting to take over. They're starting to
Speaker 1: build roads, they're starting to build trains, They're starting to
Speaker 1: connect African villages that have never been connected before. They're
Speaker 1: starting to run Africans out of certain places. Now this
Speaker 1: is where this is why I keep bringing up the
Speaker 1: two tribes, because these two tribes, the fact that there
Speaker 1: are two tribes who hate each other, is always going
Speaker 1: to come into play in this entire story, right up
Speaker 1: to the horrible brutal ending of it. Not to give
Speaker 1: the whole thing away, Remember before these guys even got here,
Speaker 1: the Shonah had been conquered by the end of Belly.
Speaker 1: They were slaves under the end of Belly. Those kinds
Speaker 1: of hard feelings don't go away easily. And the Europeans
Speaker 1: just got there, they just arrived five minutes ago. It's
Speaker 1: hard to understand everything about the culture you're conquering. It's
Speaker 1: hard to understand old tribal rivalries and bad blood. It's
Speaker 1: hard to understand the religious significance, different significance of different things,
Speaker 1: for instance, And this is going to come into play
Speaker 1: for virtually all these tribes. You know what was really
Speaker 1: a currency for them, almost a sacred level of currency,
Speaker 1: a status symbol. Cattle. How many cattle do how many
Speaker 1: cows do you have? You have a lot of cattle.
Speaker 1: Oh you've only got three. Oh that sucks, Chris, I've
Speaker 1: got five. Must suck to be so low class. I
Speaker 1: mean you're laughing, But that's how that's how it worked.
Speaker 1: If you were a king, part of that status would
Speaker 1: be look at all of our cattle. Well what are
Speaker 1: cattle to the Europeans at this point in time? Just
Speaker 1: what they're beef? It's beef or it's mail. It's no
Speaker 1: big deal. You raise them, you kill them, you whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things they didn't quite get.
Speaker 1: They also needed a police force, and they're trying to
Speaker 1: integrate the local tribes. But let me ask you something.
Speaker 1: Do you ever have any bad blood in your family?
Speaker 1: Every family has it, maybe even in your town, a
Speaker 1: rival town, a rival family. Arrival, this arrival that I
Speaker 1: want you to imagine this when it comes to Zimbabwe
Speaker 1: that we're talking about right now. Let's say your people,
Speaker 1: your people had historically kept the Shona as slaves and slavery. Remember,
Speaker 1: was not touchy feely, not at all ugly things for
Speaker 1: women children. Let's just say maybe your mother had been
Speaker 1: a slave of the endobelly. You're now twenty five years old.
Speaker 1: Your mother raised you with those stories of what the
Speaker 1: Indibelly did to them. The Europeans knock on the door
Speaker 1: of your hut and they're handing you a policeman's uniform,
Speaker 1: because now you are going to help police some of
Speaker 1: the indobelly areas and you have the power of law
Speaker 1: enforcement behind your badge. You don't have some oath you
Speaker 1: take or even believe in. You're a tribesman who's historically
Speaker 1: been at war, and that tribe has historically abused your family.
Speaker 1: And now you're about to get a weapon and two
Speaker 1: or three of your cop buddies and you're about to
Speaker 1: walk into their area. Do you think there would be
Speaker 1: any temptation to abuse that kind of power. This happened often.
Speaker 1: The Europeans were having and will always have such a
Speaker 1: difficult time keeping the tribes separate from each other, understanding
Speaker 1: the depth of hatred they have for each other. There
Speaker 1: was African police abuse, African on African police abuse all
Speaker 1: over the place. Combine that with this I already talked
Speaker 1: about historically how these tribes worked, they lived in their
Speaker 1: little villages. Now they're being moved onto what are essentially reservations.
Speaker 1: They're getting moved away from their historic homelands. They're not
Speaker 1: thrilled about it. Now let's add one more to it.
Speaker 1: And this is a long complicated affair. For the sake
Speaker 1: of not having this be a ten episode thing, I'm
Speaker 1: fast forwarding through some things. There gets to be a
Speaker 1: plague with the cows. What do the Europeans do when
Speaker 1: there's a cow plague? They do what any civilized society
Speaker 1: would do, and they start to kill the cows. I
Speaker 1: just got done explaining cows are sacred to these people,
Speaker 1: a status symbol to these people. As a European, you
Speaker 1: may have everyone's best interests at heart. When you send
Speaker 1: a few guys onto somebody's land and shoot twenty of
Speaker 1: his cows in the head, he is almost undoubtedly going
Speaker 1: to interpret that act differently than you do. It's bad.
Speaker 1: Rebellion breaks out. Rebellion breaks out. In fact, you should know.
Speaker 1: I won't tell you the name of it because it's
Speaker 1: another detail. I'm already drowning you in details. But they
Speaker 1: consider the Rhodesian Bush War to be the second version
Speaker 1: of this rebellion, that's what they call it. This is
Speaker 1: the first of these rebellions. The tribes rise up, they rebel.
Speaker 1: They are not as technologically advanced they do, however, have
Speaker 1: the numbers. It's slaughter, it's destruction. They're doing things like
Speaker 1: one miner he had worked with ten Africans on a
Speaker 1: mine for a long time. He then found himself with
Speaker 1: them crawling into the mind trying to beat him to
Speaker 1: death one night. There are some stories I'll tell you
Speaker 1: in a moment. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on
Speaker 1: a Wonderful Wednesday talking about the land down under Africa
Speaker 1: tonight as we go, Quit what, Chris, I'm not a geologist,
Speaker 1: all right, I don't know everything. All right. Back to
Speaker 1: our history of the Rhodesian Bush War. The Europeans had
Speaker 1: set up the trains, they'd set up the villages. The
Speaker 1: tribes were hating each other. The tribes were not liking
Speaker 1: this European rule, and they broke out in rebellion. Now,
Speaker 1: this is nothing like the rebellion that will happen during
Speaker 1: the Rhodesian Bush War. This is completely disorganized. There aren't
Speaker 1: any central leaders. And remember the two tribes hate each
Speaker 1: other as much as they hate the Europeans. So what
Speaker 1: does this rebellion look like? It sounds horrifying, but it's
Speaker 1: essentially small areas where panic gets inflamed, anger gets inflamed,
Speaker 1: and it's oftentimes led by local religious leaders, local tribal
Speaker 1: religious leaders, you know, all these weird tribal false religions.
Speaker 1: Local religious leaders would get their local area to rise
Speaker 1: up against the white invaders, the European invaders. I told
Speaker 1: you briefly about that story of the miner. Well you
Speaker 1: know how most of that story went. He walked out
Speaker 1: of his house to find ten Africans who he had
Speaker 1: worked with on the mine, not slaves or something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, working with him every day lunch wages that
Speaker 1: there were co workers with war clubs. This animal manages
Speaker 1: to wrestle one of the war clubs from him. They
Speaker 1: start beating him. He starts swinging back and beating them.
Speaker 1: He makes his way all the way into the mind
Speaker 1: shaft where he rolls down into the mind shaft, and
Speaker 1: then he has more miners in the mind shaft who
Speaker 1: he's worked with, who he thinks will come to his aid,
Speaker 1: and they start beating him too. He starts fighting them off.
Speaker 1: He's fighting his way through the mines. These things happen.
Speaker 1: In another incident, two guys are sitting there, there are
Speaker 1: women and children hidden behind them, and the tribesmen have
Speaker 1: so rounded the mine and they are essentially getting ready
Speaker 1: to kill everyone in it. The two dudes make a
Speaker 1: break for it. What are they making a break for.
Speaker 1: They're going for the telegraph line so they can telegraph
Speaker 1: for help so the women and children won't die. They
Speaker 1: book it. One of them, actually both of them end
Speaker 1: up making it the entire way to the telegraph hut.
Speaker 1: One holds the door closed from the angry tribesman behind him,
Speaker 1: while the other gets on the telegraph machine and telegraphs
Speaker 1: the message out. Eventually the door is kicked down and
Speaker 1: both men die with African spears sticking out from all
Speaker 1: over their bodies. This is taking place all across Zimbabwe
Speaker 1: at this time, but as I said, it is not unified.
Speaker 1: It is poorly led. And eventually the Europeans raise for themselves,
Speaker 1: or they should say, they get back their army. Long
Speaker 1: story I won't go into. Most of their fighting men
Speaker 1: had gone to fight somewhere else and they'd been captured.
Speaker 1: They get their fighting men, and their fighting men are
Speaker 1: organized and they are well led, and they start to
Speaker 1: put this rebellion down. They put it down to such effect.
Speaker 1: The rebels are now starving. The rebels are hiding in caves,
Speaker 1: and the Europeans are dynamiting rebels out of caves, dynamiting
Speaker 1: the entrance, starving them. And there's an or horrible, horrible,
Speaker 1: ugly affair. Cecil Rhodes, the guy who started all this,
Speaker 1: he brings all the tribal leaders together finally after a
Speaker 1: very vicious little war, and he negotiates a peace because
Speaker 1: the tribes are starving. They're starving. They're done. Only now,
Speaker 1: this is the problem with rebellion, when you lose one.
Speaker 1: If you lose one, you are always going to end
Speaker 1: up worse off than you were before. If you're going
Speaker 1: to rebel, you better win. The whole history of the
Speaker 1: world proves this to be the case. It's almost weird
Speaker 1: when you look back and you wonder why so many
Speaker 1: people rebelled. We're going to rebel against Babylon. Oh no,
Speaker 1: we're all skinned alive. I mean, it just doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Now they have no more control. And now
Speaker 1: after the negotiated peace, now Britain is no longer doing that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not really our thing. It's kind of a private
Speaker 1: enterprise thing. Nope, now this is the nineteen twenties. Now
Speaker 1: Britain says no, no, no, no, no, it's our country now. Now.
Speaker 1: They even gave it a name, South Rhodesia. By the way,
Speaker 1: in case you're wondering, Yes, that name comes from the
Speaker 1: name Cecil Rhodes And no he didn't name it. In fact,
Speaker 1: he didn't even like the name, which is weird. I've
Speaker 1: always wanted a country named after me. That is not
Speaker 1: what he preferred at all, but Rhodesia. Only at this
Speaker 1: point in time, it's named South Rhodesia. Let's fast forward
Speaker 1: just a little bit. They are locking in their control
Speaker 1: of the area. They're building whole cities. Now, they're trying
Speaker 1: to modernize this country as possible in a long comes
Speaker 1: World War two. This part is going to be important
Speaker 1: for our story as we move along. I already told
Speaker 1: you the kind of people last night, the kind of
Speaker 1: Europeans who came here. These were not convicts who just
Speaker 1: got out. These were not idiot's welfare recipients. In many ways,
Speaker 1: it was the cream of the crop for Europeans and
Speaker 1: their children. They were tough as nails as well, not
Speaker 1: these effeminate, you know, pinky out people. Tough as nails.
Speaker 1: And they also had because there were so few of them,
Speaker 1: and a country that was so big, with so many
Speaker 1: bigger tribes, mandatory military service for all the males. It
Speaker 1: is the Jesse Kelly Show on a magnificent Monday. I swear,
Speaker 1: if you're suffering, we'll be back to politics in ten minutes.
Speaker 1: But we're doing part two of the Rhodesian bush War. Now.
Speaker 1: We just finished the rebellion. The Europeans put down the rebellion.
Speaker 1: Britton essentially decided, okay, that's enough of all this playing games.
Speaker 1: Now it's a country. Now, it's our country. In fact,
Speaker 1: we're slapping a name on it now it's called South Rhodesia.
Speaker 1: And well, the way it works is, of course, World
Speaker 1: War two breaks out. The Rhodesians, as I mentioned, black
Speaker 1: and white military men went off and fought valiantly for
Speaker 1: the Brits. That will end up mattering later on. But
Speaker 1: something else happens, and this is the ugly part of life,
Speaker 1: the ironic, I guess I should should say part of life.
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways war can be good for economies. Certainly,
Speaker 1: if you are a country that produces stuff, war can
Speaker 1: be very good for you. Why are the Europeans in
Speaker 1: Rhodesia to begin with? It's rich with resources, The land
Speaker 1: is wonderful for agriculture. There are things to mine there.
Speaker 1: And guess which empire needs stuff right about now? Well
Speaker 1: the Allies, well all of them, but the Allies need it.
Speaker 1: The economy starts booming, booming, there are huge checks coming
Speaker 1: into Rhodesia because the Allies needs stuff. Well, this is Africa,
Speaker 1: we already mentioned. It's a rough place. It's been a
Speaker 1: rough place, just has not become a modern continent. Ever,
Speaker 1: what do you think happens when the Rhodesian econo enomy
Speaker 1: starts booming. The word goes out. The word goes out
Speaker 1: to all the other countries around there who may be struggling.
Speaker 1: There's always a famine, always a war, always a plague.
Speaker 1: And more Africans start pouring into Rhodesia looking for work,
Speaker 1: looking for an opportunity, and they find them. But as
Speaker 1: usually happens, the war doesn't last forever. And after the
Speaker 1: war is over, let's say let's say it's the year
Speaker 1: nineteen forty one in your Rhodesia, just for the sake
Speaker 1: of argument, and your economy starts booming. Everyone knows it.
Speaker 1: Everyone in Africa knows it. And so let's just say
Speaker 1: you get a million, two million Africans from other countries
Speaker 1: coming in to take advantage of the opportunity to feed
Speaker 1: their families, clothed themselves, you know, all those things. But
Speaker 1: then nineteen forty five rolls around in bip war over. Well,
Speaker 1: there's still a market obviously for crops and chrome and
Speaker 1: the other things they mind, but not near the market
Speaker 1: it once was. Well, now all those people have already
Speaker 1: come in, Now they've already brought jobs in. Now there's
Speaker 1: not as much economic opportunity to go around, yet the
Speaker 1: people are still there. This creates a situation that from
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, looks terrible. The situation being this,
Speaker 1: you have these extremely wealthy, modern looking, mostly white, although
Speaker 1: there were plenty of black people. There are extremely modern,
Speaker 1: wealthy looking towns that would have looked like any town
Speaker 1: in America, any city in Europe popping up. Only on
Speaker 1: the outskirts there are extremely run down, poor, all black
Speaker 1: shanty towns that start popping up. The reason this is
Speaker 1: so disastrous is post World War Two, there was a
Speaker 1: thing that was happening globally. It wasn't just to Britain.
Speaker 1: After World War Two, countries that had empires overseas started
Speaker 1: to give them up. Sometimes they fought hard for them,
Speaker 1: you know, this was the French in Vietnam. Whe they
Speaker 1: eventually lost that, but they fought hard trying to keep it.
Speaker 1: Some countries just flat out walked away from it. But
Speaker 1: no matter what, there is a macro movement happening on
Speaker 1: planet Earth post World War two. And that movement was, Hey,
Speaker 1: you super powerful empires with a colony here and a
Speaker 1: colony there in Britain's in India, and the French are
Speaker 1: in Vietnam, and everyone's in Africa. Hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: no more, no more, It's time to walk away from
Speaker 1: your overseas empire. And I'm going to put this in
Speaker 1: quotes because I don't necessarily believe in this, but the
Speaker 1: quote decolonization movement has begun. Now, well, how do you
Speaker 1: think Rhodesia looks to the rest of the world when
Speaker 1: everyone else is giving up their overseas territories. And now
Speaker 1: you look at this insanely wealthy prosperous African country. These
Speaker 1: other African countries, for the most part, they're sucking it up.
Speaker 1: They're doing terribly well. Rhodesia, certainly the Rhodesians are the
Speaker 1: Europeans in Rhodesia. Rhodesia they're thriving, and the African peoples
Speaker 1: in Rhodesia they're on reservations, just like our Indian reservations.
Speaker 1: They're on reservations where the Europeans put them, or they're
Speaker 1: in shanty towns. And there's another part of it that
Speaker 1: just looked bad. And this is actually how we're going
Speaker 1: to open our show tomorrow. So let me ask a question.
Speaker 1: Who should get to vote in any society? Who deserves
Speaker 1: to say in the government of any society? I think
Speaker 1: you would probably agree with me. That shouldn't be everybody, right,
Speaker 1: you don't want twelve year olds to vote? Of course,
Speaker 1: if there's some serial killer getting ready to be executed tomorrow,
Speaker 1: do you want his vote cancel he's canceling out your
Speaker 1: vote for president tomorrow? No, okay? So will at least
Speaker 1: agree on that it shouldn't be everybody? Okay? So that
Speaker 1: means there should be limits? What limits? How do you
Speaker 1: form a nation, a good if that's what you want
Speaker 1: to be, A good, prosperous country, a country considered to
Speaker 1: be free, while also putting limits on who has a
Speaker 1: say in the government. In Rhodesia, the Africans did not
Speaker 1: have a say in the government. No say, none, and
Speaker 1: that's about to be a problem. We'll have to continue
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. Before we do that, let's do some more politics,
Speaker 1: shall we. Let's talk about some AI impeachments, influence operations,
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