WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:04.679 Golf Smarter number three hundred and sixty one published on 2 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:08.640 December seven, twenty twelve, and in our score Zone short 3 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:12.199 game Academy, Terry the wedge Guy Taylor gives us some 4 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:14.800 great advice about chipping around the green. 5 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:20.079 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 6 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:23.719 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 7 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:29.760 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our 8 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:34.640 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 9 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:38.320 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 10 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.439 When you get nervous, it's for me, it's always the same. 11 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:44.600 It's not like I'm really really nervous or nervous. It's 12 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.280 just I'm nervous, you know, so over a first t 13 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:49.640 shot of any round. I mean there's not much, but 14 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:51.799 there's a little bit of nerves. It's not I'm nervous 15 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:53.759 because I haven't prepared. It's just like I know what 16 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:55.719 to do. It's just all right, let's go do what 17 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:57.600 we gotta do. But it's not like you're out of 18 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.920 control nervous where I'm not prepared, because then I already 19 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:02.960 know that I'm not going to play well, and I'll 20 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:05.359 never feel off in a tournament feels like I don't 21 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:06.599 prepare well. 22 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:10.760 You've got that first t jitters. That's understandable, But those 23 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:14.040 first t jitters begin when you walk up to the 24 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:16.599 first tee, or like when you're in prep for that 25 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:19.799 tournament coming up and you're starting to think about it. 26 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:22.879 Well. I never sweat over a first hall shot. There 27 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:24.519 may be a feature on the course I don't like, 28 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:26.799 and I might think about it like during my round, 29 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.719 but I might get in there with over a particular 30 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:31.400 t shot more than the first key. 31 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:40.879 Playing with the big dogs PGA Tour pro Matt every 32 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:42.640 This is Golf Smarter. 33 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:45.920 Each week we tap the best minds in golf to 34 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:50.000 help lower your scores with tips, drills, insights and advice 35 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:55.040 in conversation with course pros, architects, authors, players, teaching gurus 36 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:55.840 and coaches. 37 00:01:56.239 --> 00:02:00.920 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf's Martyr Podcast. 38 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.640 Matt, thanks man, thanks for having me. 39 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.799 My pleasure. Thanks so much. I generally don't get a 40 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.520 chance to talk to PGA touring professionals. This is very 41 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.280 exciting for me. Frankly, I don't really want to. I'd 42 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.159 much rather talk to their caddies because I think there's 43 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:21.520 probably better stories there. Have you ever caddy for anybody? 44 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:26.520 That I caddied for my buddy's dad launch and a 45 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:30.120 qualifier just as a favor, But I wouldn't exactly say 46 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:31.199 I've had a full time gig. 47 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:35.080 Do you like having nick? I mean, you know, I 48 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:38.520 got to imagine as you grew up and we're playing 49 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:40.960 a lot that you you know, you golf, you're on 50 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:41.400 your own. 51 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:44.759 So when you have a caddy adjustment? 52 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:47.360 Yeah, I mean, what do you want out? What do 53 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:49.800 you want out of a caddy? 54 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:51.599 Just to not mess me out? 55 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:51.800 Man? 56 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:53.520 That's all I asked, you. 57 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:58.520 Know, Yeah, of course, I mean they they do play 58 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.280 a very important role that most guys play their best 59 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:02.560 and they stay out of their own way, and you 60 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:04.800 just don't want somebody else to get anyway, and you 61 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:06.039 know somebody else did. 62 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:08.000 It's just another obstacle. 63 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:13.360 And do you look for I mean, is the caddie 64 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.080 you've been working with since you've been on the tour? 65 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:17.919 Is that a friend? Is that someone's been assigned to you? 66 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:19.599 Are you just picked up in the parking lot? 67 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:26.199 It's uh, it's it's a it's a friend. To be honest. 68 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:28.120 You know, I meet him, I meet him out on 69 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.199 the road just you know, accunting for somebody else. I 70 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:34.719 develop friendships with him, and then uh, you know, when 71 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:36.520 it's time to make a change or I make a change. 72 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:38.639 And always I always trying to hire someone that I 73 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:41.199 already have a pretty good relationship with. I'm sew a 74 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:45.520 stranger and judge your character a little better. 75 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.879 Yeah, but you didn't have caddies when you were in college, right, No, 76 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:52.080 so that's got to be a big adjustment. 77 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.479 I mean, well, the biggest the biggest thing for me 78 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:59.800 when I got out of school was when I got 79 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:03.560 a cadie. I always start second guessing myself. I always always, 80 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:04.960 you know, if I had a six footer and I 81 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:07.360 knew it was like right, let I would be like, 82 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.120 hey man, what do you got? And then he'd come 83 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:11.560 in and if you said something different, I'll just screwed, 84 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:13.520 you know, And it's like, da, Matt, why do you 85 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:15.520 even do that? You know, even reading your own puts 86 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.040 your whole life and you're a good potter, Like there's 87 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:20.519 no need for another set of eyes, you know what 88 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:20.800 I mean. 89 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:26.000 Oh, that's so interesting, And probably that happens a lot 90 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:27.399 with ammers. 91 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:29.040 When they go to these nice courses, they get the 92 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:32.680 club caddies, and you know, the club caddies some of 93 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:34.879 them do a great job. But like the Vamber, you 94 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:37.800 know you can read I mean, you can read greens. 95 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:39.720 You know they're easy to read. 96 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.399 I'm not going to necessarily agree with you that all. 97 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.040 The time you should be able to read greens. 98 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:53.319 Okay, I'll give you that. I'll well, let's talk. That's 99 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.879 really interesting And if you have you ever like after 100 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:01.160 a round said, look, don't speak unless I a or do. 101 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:02.040 They generally know that. 102 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.800 It's always it's always my I mean, no, I'm not 103 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:08.839 blaming anybody for any of my batch outs because I'm 104 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.720 the one that hits him and it annoys me when 105 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:12.920 people do do that. 106 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:17.439 But uh no, I'm always nobody specific my fault because 107 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:18.279 I'm always. 108 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:19.839 You know, they won't say my guy, I won't say 109 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:21.680 say anything if I don't ask him to. You know, 110 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.519 it's always like they derect what you got here, you know, 111 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:26.279 if not, he's not even looking at the pot. 112 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:31.600 Oh really, he's just talking to the other caddy, right. Interesting, 113 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:33.920 But you've always kept your own book, You've always kept 114 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.800 your own score you' you know I don't. 115 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:39.759 Well, well yeah I didn't call it. Yeah I did 116 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.920 growing up. Yeah, but I don't anymore like I have him. 117 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.079 I don't have a yardage book. I don't do anything. 118 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.639 And what about sport and what about when you're on 119 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:51.560 the tour. I want to talk about your history, But 120 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:53.279 this is so interesting to me. When you were when 121 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.399 you were on the tour and you're playing in a 122 00:05:55.439 --> 00:06:00.000 tournament and even as you were growing up uh competitive, 123 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.600 how closely did you watch your score throughout a round? 124 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:06.399 Because like we talk about this all the time, it's like, 125 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:09.800 don't worry about the score until you're done with your round. 126 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:13.199 Right, Yeah, it's easier said than done. I know what 127 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:18.360 you're saying. It's kind of just you just kind of 128 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.319 get over it. I mean, it just happens. I don't. 129 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.680 I don't think about like I know where I'm at, 130 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.240 but I'm not. I'm not judging myself on my score 131 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:28.920 as harsh as I did when I was in high 132 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.120 school or something like that, because I know if I 133 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:34.959 just stay patient, everything evens out in the long run. 134 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.959 And it's not about for me. It's it's a career. 135 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:38.639 It's not a round. 136 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:39.040 Of golf. 137 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:41.759 So that's kind of how I look at it. 138 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:43.639 A marathon, not a sprint. 139 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:49.199 Right, Yeah, so it all evens out your score. One 140 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:52.160 thing for me that helped me it was the course 141 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.360 I grew up playing on was pretty easy. So you know, 142 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.160 when I got pretty when I was getting pretty good 143 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.639 in high school, I would go out there and you know, 144 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:03.480 before under through six holes, and I learned to keep 145 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.519 going and keep going because you know, eventually four under 146 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:08.560 out there for me on a you know, when the 147 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.399 weather was good was crap, you know, so I had 148 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:13.319 to keep going and keep going and keep going. So 149 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.720 now when I do have a good round gooing like 150 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:19.000 you're saying, and you're thinking about your score, I just 151 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:20.120 keep going, you know. 152 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:26.800 M I that's really interesting because you not only your score, 153 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.399 because golf is really about just doing your best. You're 154 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:35.680 not going head to head against anybody. You're playing against yourself. Yeah, 155 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.519 And so to look up at at a leader board 156 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:40.800 and see, oh man, I'm one stroke behind this guy, 157 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:43.920 it's got to get in your head. You could start 158 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.920 pressing and just making bad shots. 159 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:49.920 Yeah, And it's hard. I mean, when you're playing well 160 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:52.879 on Sunday, it's hard to not look at a leaderboard 161 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.519 because they're they're in your face all day long. I 162 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.040 mean you'd have to try not to look at one, 163 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.959 like and you'd have to do really good. I mean 164 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:04.319 they're almost everywhere you look out there. 165 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.560 Yeah, and you also get a sense of how you're 166 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.800 doing just by the crowd that's following you. And the 167 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:13.639 gallery continues. 168 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:18.759 To grow its not at all because yeah, because well 169 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.000 think about it. I mean, if Pilm Mickelson or something, 170 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:23.319 you know, a tiger or just a big name is 171 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.240 out there, those guys, the people that are coming to 172 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.560 that golf tournament are coming to watch them, regardless of 173 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:31.120 how they play. You might get a few more crowd members. 174 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.559 But you know, if it's a big tournament with big names, 175 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:38.080 it doesn't matter. They're getting the crowds, which is totally 176 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:38.519 fun with me. 177 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.200 You don't you don't want the gallery watching you? 178 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:44.759 Well, it's no, I don't mind. I mean you can't. 179 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:46.799 You're gonna have galleries out there no matter what, because 180 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.600 like I'm you know, fifteen through eighteen is like it's 181 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.919 a party out there, and uh, people are just there. 182 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:57.519 But oh mind the galleries. It's just I don't want 183 00:08:57.559 --> 00:08:59.240 it it's just something else to deal with, you know, 184 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.279 it's not it's not a big deal, but it's there, 185 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:02.679 you know. 186 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.679 And and when you first started on the tour, and 187 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:10.840 I'm not like you hadn't been playing competitively your whole 188 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.639 life for years on in college and other tours and stuff. 189 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:17.879 But all of a sudden, now you're you are playing 190 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:21.240 with an elite group of golfers. Did you feel your 191 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:24.200 knees knocking at all? Or you were like, dude, I'm here, 192 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:25.080 I belong here. 193 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:32.080 You know, when you get nervous, it's for me, it's 194 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:35.039 always the same. It's not like I'm really really nervous 195 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.879 or nervous. It's just I'm nervous, you know. So like 196 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.039 over a first t shot of any round, there's not 197 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.039 I mean there's not much, but there's a little bit 198 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.879 of nerves. It's not like it's not I'm nervous because 199 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:47.960 I haven't prepared. It's just like I know what to do. 200 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.480 It's just all right, let's let's you know, let's go 201 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.200 do what we gotta do. You know what I'm saying. 202 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:55.840 But it's not like a nerve out of control nervous 203 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:59.320 where I'm not prepared, because then it's then I already 204 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.639 know that I'm not gonna play well and I'll never 205 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.799 pee off in the tournament feeling like I doesn't prepare well. 206 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:09.919 You've got that first t jitters. That's understandable. But those 207 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:14.279 first t jitters begin when you walk up to the 208 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:16.840 first t or like when you're in prep for that 209 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:20.919 tournament coming up and you're starting to think about it. 210 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:24.480 No, no, it's not no never never, Like I would never, 211 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.000 I never sweat over a first hall shot. There may 212 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:28.679 be a shot on the court, shot on the course 213 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:30.960 I don't like, and I might think about it like 214 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:33.600 during my round. But you can't help that, man. I 215 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.080 mean anybody who says I can block that outline, I 216 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:40.200 just don't see it happening. And uh, it's just the 217 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.039 way it is, you know, I mean, the thing your head, 218 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.519 it's just the way it is. But you just to 219 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:46.600 deal with it and make a committed swing on that whole. 220 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.120 But I might get nervous over a particular T shot 221 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.440 more than the first T for sure. 222 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:55.720 It's all about the shot right now, and you can 223 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:56.759 block it. 224 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.720 Like if it's the first team. There's there's not much 225 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.480 and there's nothing to be nervous about it because I 226 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:06.000 know how to do it, you know, I mean, just 227 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:09.399 this swing where you know how to and the results 228 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:10.320 will take care of itself. 229 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:16.840 So interesting. I'm just so, you know, so divorced from 230 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.600 from that level of competition, you know, just being a 231 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:25.759 recreational golfer and I don't even play competitively on that level. 232 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:27.480 I just. 233 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:30.639 This. It's just a different beast. 234 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:36.519 Yeah, one chip. I would say on those shots that 235 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:38.279 you know you might think about, like if you played 236 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:40.639 the course before, I'm like, thirteen is a you know, 237 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:43.360 it's antagrag left of water on the left and the 238 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.440 winds off and the winds off the left. You gotta 239 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:47.639 start over the water or something. Just a shot and 240 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:50.559 that's hard, you know, Yeah, and you're thinking about it 241 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:52.559 when I when I get over them, I can live 242 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.919 with myself if I make a committed swing and it's 243 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:56.639 a bad shot. But if I do something at the 244 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:59.399 bottom of my swing, like you know, Dcell or just 245 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:01.600 kind of guy or something like that, and I'm and 246 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:04.720 it as a bad shot, That's when I really get 247 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:06.720 upset it myself. But you can you can live I 248 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:09.399 can live with it if it's committed. So the committed 249 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:11.960 ones usually always turn out better. And you know what 250 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.200 I'm saying, it's just you feel better about yourself. You 251 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:17.039 can go to sleep at night knowing you you committed 252 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.600 instead of bailing out or you know, not giving it 253 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:20.399 a good swing. 254 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:30.919 Define for me from your perspective, of course, what is 255 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.559 a hard shot? Like you said, when you get on 256 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.639 a hard shot and you think it's like, what is 257 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:37.000 a hard shot for you? 258 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:45.039 Uh, it's it's also you know, it's very situational. It 259 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.080 could be only on a Sunday and any anytime you 260 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.440 have to work the ball, like if the pin is 261 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:53.600 on the left side of the green and the wind 262 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:55.720 is coming off the left, or you have to start 263 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.480 it over the trouble to get it on the pin 264 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.120 or turn it against the wind and you have to 265 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.960 you know, alter your swinging a little bit for the 266 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:07.679 cork ballflight. Those are tough shots. But if there is 267 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.200 no wins and it's a tuck pen, if you're swinging 268 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.039 good at it, there's there's I mean, it's green light 269 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:15.639 all day, you know, right. 270 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.120 Yeah, like the old Johnny Miller green right, green light, 271 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:22.919 yellow light, red light on how you approach a shot. 272 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:24.559 Yeah, pretty much. 273 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:30.879 Yeah, interesting, and let's talk a little bit. This is 274 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.320 so interesting to me a little bit about your history 275 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:36.240 so we can give some people on understanding you. You've 276 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:41.600 been in the tour. Now, twenty ten was your rookie season. 277 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:42.240 Right, yep? 278 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:44.840 Yeah, where you were named Rookie of the year. That's 279 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:47.559 kind of awesome. Congratulations. But let's back up a little 280 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:47.919 bit more. 281 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:49.519 I don't think I was of a rookie. 282 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:49.639 Of the year. 283 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.679 Well, you know, you better tell your publicists because the 284 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.039 bio they said has you as a Rookie of the 285 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.600 Year on the PGA Tour in twenty ten. Yeah, or 286 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:02.039 did they just forget to tell you? 287 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:03.000 Yeah? 288 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:03.960 I forgot to tell me. 289 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.399 By the way, Matt, you're a rookie of the year 290 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:12.480 a couple of years ago. It's great. Did you do 291 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:15.120 you know that you in two thousand and nine that 292 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:17.960 you won a nationwide tour event. Do you know that? 293 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:20.120 I just want to make sure I'm talking to Matt 294 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:26.039 every year. Well, let's go back a little bit and 295 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.000 talk about your college ball, because I find this so 296 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:34.879 interesting because college golf, in some ways, the competition just 297 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:36.960 to be on a team is so tough. 298 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.399 Yeah, it is. I had you know, my senior year 299 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:45.240 in high school, I had a few offers to go 300 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.360 play some some pretty good schools and then but I 301 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.080 wanted to go to Florida. They had a great team, 302 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:54.720 and I knew, and they weren't giving me any money 303 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:58.120 at the time, and I knew that if I could 304 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:00.200 just get there and play against the best guy as 305 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:04.080 in the country, you know, let alone. I didn't want 306 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:05.279 to go somewhere and be the best guy on a 307 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:07.159 team and have no compete with every day. So I 308 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.080 went there and it worked out great. 309 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.039 Let's make sure that we clarify this so it's not 310 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:18.159 taken out of context by any other media organization or reporter. 311 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:20.879 When you said I didn't get money for that, you 312 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:25.039 don't get money in college, but you we don't want 313 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:29.399 to have any school disqualified and taken out of But 314 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:34.240 you meant scholarship money. Yeah, okay, so you did get 315 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.000 Did you get scholarship money? Talk to me about So 316 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:42.080 you were recruited by a couple of schools, and but 317 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.039 you had your your site set on University of Florida, right, 318 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:49.279 You're you're from Florida. Uh, and and then and then 319 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.879 you chose to go there. But you didn't. You didn't 320 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:58.600 get scholarship money to go there? Right? And and how 321 00:15:58.600 --> 00:15:59.679 did it work for you? That? 322 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:01.120 Did? 323 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:03.080 You? Were you invited to be on the team. How 324 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:04.759 did that work for you? Tell me about how you 325 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:05.679 got to be on the tab. 326 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.159 So I was being slightly recruited by Florida and U, 327 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.559 but I wasn't the best guy coming out. So they 328 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:16.440 had like three guys that they were trying to sign 329 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:18.799 before me, and if one of them didn't sign, then 330 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:20.720 they would have, you know, something for me on sid 331 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:23.240 on the team. Well they all they all three signed, 332 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.679 so I still wanted to go there though, So I 333 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:28.600 was like, man, can I come? And He's like, yeah, 334 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.960 I'll give you a shot. You know it should come. So 335 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.759 it just worked out. And then you know, my whole 336 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.320 freshman year, five guys travel. There's probably like eleven or 337 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.440 twelve on the team, and I was like the sixth 338 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:46.279 guy all year and occasionally cracked the lineup. And right 339 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:49.720 before postseason, the five guys on our team got in 340 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:52.720 the shanks and coach put me in and it's kind 341 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:54.039 of done good ever since then. 342 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:59.480 That's so impressive. So then you walked on the team. 343 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.840 You you had one guy fall off the bench, fall 344 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:05.000 off this game, and you got called up on the 345 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:12.359 off the bench and and had success. Yeah. How how 346 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:16.839 is the coaching on that college level? What did that 347 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:21.160 do for your game that allowed you to become a 348 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:24.519 four time All American, a three time All SEC Conference selection? 349 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:28.440 Did it? 350 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:30.680 Is it just hard work on your golf game or 351 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:32.160 great coaching and hard work? 352 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.079 Well, if you're not working on the right things, then 353 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:40.559 you're you're wasting your time. So coaching first and foremost 354 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:46.400 probably uh is more important than hard work because you 355 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:49.000 have to have proper coaching then you can put in 356 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:54.640 the hard work. But yeah, I mean it was just 357 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:58.519 going there competing every day. I mean we would you know, 358 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:01.119 we a lot of the guys on the team. I 359 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:04.720 mean it was very competitive because you know, it was 360 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:06.519 a big deal. You went to college for golf and 361 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:08.319 you want to play man in the in the top 362 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:10.799 five and I got you know, we were all friends, 363 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:13.400 but on the course, we all wanted to whip each other. 364 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.759 And then when I got pretty good, Uh, Camillo Virginicas 365 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:18.160 was in school at me at the same time, and 366 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.599 we would just duke it out. In my last two 367 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:24.279 years and there for his last two years there. We 368 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:27.480 would duke it out for uh the number one spot 369 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:29.480 every week, and we wanted to beat each other's brains. 370 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:32.759 And I probably have to credit a lot, you know, 371 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.960 going going against him to where I am now. 372 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:37.960 Well, it's interesting. So I ask about, you know, hard 373 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.440 work and good coaching, but I didn't talk about level. 374 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.799 I didn't ask about level of competition and what that 375 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:43.559 does for your game. 376 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:46.400 Yeah. Oh yeah, man, I mean you see it. The 377 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.680 football guys play down to the level of their competition 378 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:50.039 all the time. 379 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:50.640 Oh. 380 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:53.000 I see it in golf, just in myself. I just 381 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.440 you played the level of And again I'm not a 382 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:59.279 I'm not a competing kind of guy. I don't play 383 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.119 in tournaments and st off. But just your focome, your 384 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.279 your buddy that you're out there with. You just want to, 385 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:06.079 you know, beat them by a stroke. 386 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.079 Yeah. Oh yeah. Like if I go to play with 387 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:11.960 my my friends at home, they're all pretty good, but 388 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:14.880 ill we'll play as good as I should, you know, 389 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.160 because I'm with them, and it's just not it's not 390 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:17.519 the same. 391 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:20.440 Oh, and I'm sure they want to beat your brains. 392 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:24.119 In Yeah, I mean some some things that I play 393 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:27.400 in I definitely have people that try to. But which 394 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:31.160 is funny to me. But my friends don't care. You know, 395 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.400 they've they've probably they've been before, and if they beat me, 396 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:36.720 it's not like they're gonna it's not gonna make their 397 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:37.319 weak you. 398 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:40.680 Know, I not. No, they don't bring it up on 399 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:41.880 the phone. It's like, hey, I beat you. 400 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:42.400 Yeah. 401 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:44.720