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Speaker 2: Robbie, how you living thanks, Ben. You know I've been better,
but you know, hanging in there after after yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm reading through your tweets right now, I'm
gonna retweet all of these kind of postgame commentaries. You said,
disappointing to have the season end this way, but not
feeling as down as maybe I expected. AJ was incredibly
complimentary about Byu and his experience after the game. He
will be a great ambassador for BYU will have the
resources to build a good roster next season, and Ky
has learned a lot about roster construction. So you know
everyone's talking about roy right. You know, through this process
we've discussed, Hey, did did b YU get their ROI
did their donor base get their roy on it? I
believe they did. From a branding standpoint, from a marketability standpoint,
from a public relations standpoint, b YU is becoming more
of a household name in the mouths of analysts and
pundits and then maybe amongst recruits, et cetera. So, and
you got a great brand ambassador you mentioned it right there,
a great ambassador. And I think he's going to be
first overall in the NBA draft. And you know what
wouldn't be surprised if he somehow, some way he ended
up with the Jazz. We'll see what happens. And it
sounds like you're on lockstep with me here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I mostly agree. I mean I I
wrote before this Sason, even before AJ committed, like the
reason boosters wanted AJ, I mean one, they wanted a
chance to take Buyu to unpressed at a Heights Bully
had in the four. I mean everybody wanted Bade a
chance to get the final four. So from that, I
mean b A b A didn't get that. But the
other big reason boosters did is what AJ wouldn't mean
to b YU. And this is where I think the
lasting impact of AJ wall always be. I mean the
boosters wanted AJ because is I mean, that's going to
open doors for BA to get other players. I mean
not just in basketball. The thought process was if a
j De Bonsa can choose BYU, why can't star football
player come to b YU? Why can't feature star basketball
players come to b YU? And just BYU just has
a reputation among a lot of people outside the city.
You taught people the arn't members of the faith Historically,
University people don't know a lot about by U said,
Aja broke down a lot of barriers that way grow
his whole life nothing to do with Byu obviously then
went to U tak prep for year came to Byu.
So from that perspective and then what he then what
he will do in the NBA? I think, I mean
he's going to be a star NBA player. I mean,
could he be the face of American basketball and in
five years like he could be. I mean we've and
we've already seen the recruit impacts like Bruce Branch doesn't
come to b YU if if AJ isn't there, like
AJ opened the door and then just like the brand
equity that's gonna be there for AJ, especially as long
as k K. Why is that buy? So I think
that perspective, it definitely did and we'll see how Like
I guess truly impactful a J is to buy because
I look a guy like some of John kla Party's
guys at Kentucky, like the Devin Bookers, the John Walls,
the DeMarcus Cousins, like the DeAndre fox Is, Like are
they really that? I don't know how connected the arts
at Kentucky the more connected to John Calipari, so it's like, yep,
well will AJB whenever aj K Wiley. So it's two years,
five years, ten years, fifteen years, whatever. Maybe, But I
think one thing is helps in buys favorite Kentucky. I mean,
you know, and there's no NBA teams next to Kentucky.
So AJ, I mean, if he plays on the Jazz,
obviously he'll always be in Utah. But every year, one
or two times this season, he'll always come back to Utah.
He'll always get a big reception from BYU fans, So
he'll always have that connection, whether Kevin Young is at
BYU or not. So I do think the investment was
worth it. I mean, granted it's not my money, but
I I do think just with that break, I mean
no doubt it's disappointing on the floor, and there was
injuries and all that's in the context, but we all
hoped for a lot more on the floor than we
did this year. But for like the other parts of
what AJ could do, just for like the perception of
BYU for future recruiting, which we've already seen, and then
if he can always be tied to Boye his whole
NBA career, and if he becomes like one of the
faces of American and global basketball. Like, I think there
will be lots of There could be lots of really
good positive impacts because of that.
Speaker 1: Robbie, you said that by you had injuries, but arguably
the most disappointing season in BYU history. Agent was phenomenal.
Bo you always have Agent as a part of Kuger Nation,
but no one, no one other way to characterize this season.
Is this the most disappointing season in BAU basketball history.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess obviously, I think the factor in expectations.
Obviously ninety six ninety seven blow You won one game
that season, so I Beeri's had much worse teams than
this year. But I mean people were hoping for Final four,
could get at least the Sweet sixteen, Elite eight type one.
So on the fourth expectations, I think it's You could
definitely make the argument. I don't know, like what if
I would say it's number one so on the flour,
I mean, it's definitely a conversation. But I think if
you look at the off the four stuff, I think
I mean, Kevin Durant lost in the second round of
the NCAA Tournament his year, so he got he did
get one round further. But I mean he's still tied
to Texas this day, and I don't know how much
recurring impact necessarily has to that, but he's always tied
to Texas. I think there's a lot of equity in that.
And I think it's especially different for BYU just because
none of those schools like Kentucky the Texas is like
where those top players have gone too, like they didn't
really necessarily have like a perception that needed to be
broken down, like BIUS is just different because of like
the whole lds Engle and how the rest of many
of the rest of the country, like black athletes can
view BYU. So they have AJ, who could like be
one of the most premier athletes in the world, will
always have AJ tied to him. I think it means
more to b YU because people I mentioned that before,
people will bring up like the Anthony Edwards argument, Anthony
Edwards went to Georgia. No one considers and no one
really thinks about, oh, Georgia basketball when they think Anthony
Edwards like that. But I think it's different for b
YU just because by US just just people just don't
just it's viewed in such a different light and just
the barriers AJ broke down. So I think it's a
it's a failure in terms of like on the court,
what could have been but for that, like what we
saw AJ, what AJ could do for BYU, Like like
when I take that and if I take everything into account,
like I don't think it is because well, like what
it could and has already done for like breaking milling
is a program and then like the institution.
Speaker 1: Robbie mccom's bank was the faux bank wage THEEFO dot com.
You were at the game, you went out and you
were part of them media scrums, et cetera. What were
your main takeaway from the maybe the pregame, uh conversations
in the postgame conversations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pre game, I mean we've been seeing a couple
of weeks. In the Big Twelve Tournament, Kevin Young was
and I think it was authentic. He was really trying.
Speaker 5: To show optimism that hey like starting with the Texas
Tech Game the Big twelve Tournament, Like, yeah, I turned
a quarter, the defense definitely improved.
Speaker 2: Lost to Houston, but and again that was the third
game in three days, and by you still gave a fight,
so UAU definitely like there was definitely that Kevin. I
think Kevin I was kind of just trying to forced
force that mindset on the team. I think there was
part of that, but I don't know, Like the I mean,
I can't say I thought one thing or the other.
Like the vibe seemed find of the team before, like
the media, the players like, and then post game like
it was a little more upbeat than I thought it
would be, like like we they seen the clips out
there and I was like AJ was talking about BYU,
like again, who knows what will happened, like when he
leads by maybe I mean, maybe he'll never want anything
to do with BYU. Like, I don't know. I think
I think he truly seemed genuine of his like how
much he's really enjoyed BYU, like not just the basketball
assic but the community, the experience of Stanley has had.
That was cool to see. I mean, Kay said after
the game, like, I mean, obviously they're disappointed, but I
just he was proud that those players chose to come
to BYU and all a lot of them from different
circumstances and to represent the university. So there was a
lot of that and I also get the sense I
think I kind of feel deep down like Kevin, once
Richie went down, like Kevin Young knew this team had
a ceiling. I think going into like they hope they
can make the Sweet sixteen, but Kevin Young knew, I
mean there was cracks when Richie. I mean the team
was has struggled, but with Richie, this team could have
could have made it run despite some of the defense efficiency,
just because they have that much high level talent. I
think deep down, Kevin and new as their ceiling that
kind of fell after He's I think he has ideas
for he wants to build this team next year, like
he I mean he mentioned like shooting's going to be
a main priority, Like I think if it's not a
five man Bwey's not going to consider someone that can't
shoot the basketball really well, that's going to be I
mean he also mentioned like beings to get a more
rugged big man in this league, so someone who's like
a little bit bigger, someone who could bang a little
bit more. And and that I mean that came to
a weird, its ugly head in the Texas game is
gonna abolute dominated in the glass, and we saw it
during the season, like, I mean that really the best
teams in college basketball have a really good size, Like
Arizona's got really good bigs, Florida's the one Sea, they
got really good big Michigan they're one seed. They got
as big as any team. Duke's got cam Boozer, and
another they got really good bigs. You big, Houston's got
good bigs. So I think I need a lot of stream.
But I think Kevin realizes too. It's like, hey, in
college basketball even more so like NBA's spacing league, and
that's true at any level of basketball. I think he realized, like,
we need a little bit more, we need more size
guys that could bing a little bit. So I kind
of got the sense too that he's I mean, he's
already I think, not that he's lost focus at all
this season when especial when you have AJ but the
staff they've been kind of already knowing I think how
they kind of want to do a different roster construction
next year. And I got that sense to like he's
really ready to hit the ground running this obviously, And
I do think even with some of the discipline, myself
think the resources will be there from the Boosters. I
think Bley will have good l and money to be
competitive to get the players that they need. So obviously
we'll see how that shakes out. But that was kind
of my sense appening. Obviously disappointed, but I think he's
I don't think it is nam as much wallowing from him,
like he's gonna he's knows the type of guys and
even specific players he's gonna want to hit. And what's
the portal opens here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think is the most like valid
gripe in this season? Right? I mean we all we
give I think the cular nation understands the six season
ending injuries and three priority players starters, rotational guys, and
Nate Pickens he was the start of it, right, and
then a Dawson Baker what seven or so games in,
and then obviously the Todd King Richie Saunders. I mean,
you can't you can't plan on these things. It was
really difficult, and then you had to thrust some of
your bench into starting roles and all those things. So like,
let's let's put that aside here by you struggled in
the first half all season long. Some people gripe about
you know, maybe lack of rebounding, maybe the schematics employed
offensively but especially defensively. One of the other gripes I've
heard is like, how is it that all of our
bigs regressed from last year to this year? The high
low regress, Keba regress? You brought in Bedo, He maybe
regressed during the season too, like he started off probably
better than he ended up finishing in some ways. Ha
Deem is maybe the only guy, but like I still
look at him more as on like a three four
than I look at him as like a four man. Anyways,
give me, like, what are valid ripes right now for
the Cougar Nation if you will.
Speaker 2: I remember before the season I wrote, obviously, I think
everyone is optimistic going into the year, even before obviously,
beforecasted any injuries, like I did have concerns of like, hey,
does bo you have enough shooting on this roster, like
they had aj Rob shot better than expect Like he
shot seven thirty percent last in Big twelve play. This
year he shot forty three percent for the whole season,
so that was big. So BIOI had Boy had Richie,
and they had Dawson. I was like, hey, is there
enough like spacing like around AJ to get what k
I really wanted this offense, and they got there when
you had Dawson, like we saw that Yukon game, like
he did really good the Miami game, like he had
some like big games there Dawson, which really helped the
four spacing. But and then kind of once he went out,
things could really just focus on Richie kind of on
the perimeter. So I think, I mean the offense was
I mean, like the metric, especially before for which he
went out, was great, Like they had times where they struggled,
but oh overall it was more of a defensive defense issue.
But I think they I mean Tyler Morass, they didn't
pay a lot for him, but he didn't pound out
at all what they had hoped for, Like he was
a lot better shooter at Idaho and just didn't translate
to the Big twelve. Coaches kind of they'd expected zero
from coaches. He was kind of forced into it. You know,
had his moments, which was which was good to see,
but I mean the lack of shooting, I think they
think they could have used another and I think Canard
Davis probably it just didn't fit the role he had,
Like he wasn't like a spot up shooter at Southern Illinois,
and they wanted to be a three and D guy,
and that that's not what he was. Like he had
his times where he'd get hot from three sil a
few games in the Big twelve tournament, but he probably
looking he probably wasn't the best fit for that, Like
I wrote, they could have, like there was a transfer
from North Carolina KATEE Tyson here they kind of looking
at he didn't do much last year, but he would
averaged about twenty pergad at Belmont before that this year
for North Carolina six seven wing. This year start he
transferred to Minnesota, averaged twenty points a shot over forty
percent from three x K. BUA had Kate Tyson instead.
Mood Davis like, man, that's some amazing spacing on there.
So I mean that's probably looking back, they probably could
have done something over there. And then I think the
defense for sure, I mean that was ultimately bua's downfall.
But you look like Bo's defense and non conference was
actually really good, Like that's the BUA you started the
season sixteen and one. It's because that like looking like
their defense was good like in non in non Conference,
like they did a good job versus Miami. They did
a god job versus Villan Nova. They had Wisconsin, one
of the best offenses in the country, to seventy points,
so they did really good. I think some of those injuries,
like I forced buy to change their scheme. Like when
BUA had more depth, like Billy was pressuring a lot more.
They did a lot of three quarters court type pressure.
For aj was at the top of that. His length
really disrupted defenses the really once Dawson kind of went down,
b A tightened up the rotation and they kind of
changed their defensive scheme kind of out of necessity, like
the end of the season, and then there was no
way like you could kind of do that type of
defensive pressure and play a j and Rob thirty eight
thirty nine minutes. I mean they you risk I mean
the tire out, you risk injuries to their body that way,
and bill A you never really adjusted. But at the
end of the year they have obviously had some good
games in the Big Twelve Tournament, but defense needs to
get a lot better. In the first two years that's
been Bau's down for like La Shulba made the Sweet
sixteen obviously great season, but defense was ultimately their downfall
in the Alabama game and then this game they couldn't
rebound defense, So like, I'm gonna have to figure out
some defense a little more. I think k Whit is
kind of figuring out the defense in college, Like it's
not just a total spacing game like you got college
big so we're really really rugged, bigging in the paint.
So I think because he's going to I think our
big men approach will be a little bit different next season.
He's gonna try to cruit guys that can shoot, also
guys with lengths I could defend. So the long wo
an answer the defense, like the main thing something that's
k White is going to prove that he could to
build a staff and defense. That defense is gonna you
don't need to be Houston because Bo's identity is going
to be offense, and you can win his offensive first
team in college basketball, but you're gonna need to be
probably a top twenty type defensive team, like a really
good defensive team to go with what he hopes to
be an elite offense. So it's a defense number one,
and then it's a lack of shooters.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially the end of season after the injuries.
I think those are kind of like two things that
I kind of hate to hang my head like a
little with hindsight at bou could have could have done,
plan builded better.
Speaker 1: Is there any concern that you have for like these
injuries at all? You know, I'm in I'm kind of
in the wor Orthpeedic sports medicine space and I'm like,
oh man, are these contact? Are they non contact injuries?
Many of them? Some of them will contact? Right? I
don't know about the Nate Pickens injury, right, that was
kind of before everything. You know, Berdie Koslowski, what's up
with him saving State and we never really got to
see him. I don't know if that there's been any
sort of clarity. But you had Dawson and Richie both
with acls executing moves they've probably done hundreds of thousands
of times in their career. Is there some question marks
about how we're maybe you know, prehabing potentiation stuff prior
to tip off the day prior with some fatigue there,
especially when you have two semi non contact acls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you probably speak to this better than
I can, But I mean, I think when I think
of some of the situation Dawson, I mean, who knows,
but I think he's coming off to really big foot
foot surgeries he never really fully recovered from, and this
offseason like he wasn't playing at all, Like he finally
had a couples before the season, he was finally starting
to play. I think they're kind of they were hoping
to slow play him, and then right before the season,
like there was a week before the season they were
looking at Nate Pickens's ankle during practice. He's kind of
pacicing through. They would hope it would kind of come around,
and then right before the season, they like, okay, he
needs season ending surgery. So the hope was that Dawson's
minutes and non conference play would be a lot lower
than they ended up being, just so he could kind
of ramp up a little bit. He didn't have the
full off season of prep. He's coming off those foot surgeries,
and he could kind of more glide into it while
Nate Pickens take some of those minutes. And they got
Nate Pickens out. So I think, I mean, maybe they
didn't handle that differently, but I think I mean, on
one hand, Dawson's if he feels like he could play,
He's not gonna say no, I can't play. So I
think that definitely factored into it. Like he's just like,
I mean, if he does come again back to BYU
as well, he's sewing, You're not gonna have to on
a lot. It's like, hey, like Dawson, we gave you
a little bit of money, probably more money you can
make out in the working gold right now, and then
whatever your role is, your role is, like that's probably
that comes out. So I think Dawson's injuries, I mean, Richie,
I mean, he just plays so dang hard. I mean,
it's just I just kind of feel as one of
those fluky type things. I mean, Dawson's kind of I mean,
and Brody's had a couple like last year he season
ended earlier this year, like he had the kind of
lower lake injury, never really got healthy. So it's like,
I mean, I'm not going to speculate his I don't
know what his health like bone everything situation is. And
then Sayvee on the Slender Guy can never really get healthy,
and then Nate I think, I mean, I think he
should be good next year. So I mean, I don't
think can be quite nice that did anything wrong. I
think there's something there's like some of the background with Dawson,
I think some of the other stuff just like it's
just unfortunately kind of turned out the way it did.
Speaker 1: Robi McCombs, Ladies and gentlemen. Uh, you know one of
my my listeners here texting me saying that there needs
to be an eval of the defense schematics the last
two years. Is it culture? Is it players?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it scheme? Employment? I mean, how much self scout
do you think they're going to be doing on that
side of things in the offseason regarding the coaching staff
and what's being employed and what's being coached.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's definitely make sure of both.
I mean, first, you need the guys. I think one thing,
Kay always wants to brim protector and they had Keba there,
but I mean it's the sixth eight guy. I mean,
he's really good, like kind of secondary helper, and I
mean we saw him seeing the blocks in his career,
some incredible blocks. But I think we're in He's going
to rehaul the front court this offseason, So I think
that would be a big one. I mean, and I
think they'll try to get some true three in d guys.
I mean they tried to kind of force Cannard into it.
I think he was fine this year on defense, but
he can never really get the three part down. And
part of it too, you believe like at their offense
is like a top five offense, that's naturally going to
help their defense because you you could build leads that
way and then a forces defenses can maybe get away
from how they want to place. I think that's part
of Ky's philosophy. But I think you'll see I think
you'll see some staff restructuring too, Like I'm expected everybody
to run it back this year because I may think,
like you got AJ coming in, and the hope was like, Hey,
this is going to be our golden ticket boot to
have all this sex on the floor. We have two
years of tutelage under Ky. We could tie our names
to AJ and that will help in our future professions.
Some of that kind of worked out, like they still
have the connection with Ky and they with AJ. But
I think there will be some retooling in the staff
next year. I think, again this is just speculating, but
I mean guys like Wolvoie and Fanic they have and
they all their whole careers are outside of Cluse. I
wouldn't be surprised at least one of those guys decided
to go. John Lenahan, Brandon Dunson, no tics to bility before.
Now that age has gone, it's kind of an I
think it's a natural time for some guys to like, hey, Like,
I don't think k doesn't even letting you guys go.
I think guys some of the staff will kind of
just go other ways. I think I could see Kye
bring him on another college assistant that kind of knows,
like just more about college defensive scheme. So I think
there'll be some scheme. But I think the big thing,
I mean, the biggest thing is always the dudes. You got,
Like you can only scheme so much. You got to
start with the guys, and then you got to and
then ka he does have the proof that by could
be a better defensive team. But I guess those are
some of my thoughts of how boy you will address
like their defensive offseason.
Speaker 1: Robin Mcombs, Ladies and gentlemen, Robbie, best way to support you,
what you do, how you do it. Thanks for hopping
on today for a little cougar beat and talking to
some BYU hoops.
Speaker 6: Appreciate it, Ben, Yeah, I mean I've bank wished the
Foe people could read there. I'll probably have a talking
to some agents right now other people to kind of
see what things could look like for BOU and the
Portals offseason. So I'll have a piece like a kind
of an early prediction piece on what uyus kind of
roster and kind.
Speaker 2: Of planned this offseason will be. So look for that
coming soon. And yeah, you can support there. And then
Archie McCombs on.
Speaker 1: X, follow him on X and read him at Vanquish
the Foe. Robbie McCombs, Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much, Robbie,
great content. As always appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I always good talking to you, Diego.
Speaker 1: That's Robbie McCombs Vanquished the Foe. Before we close this out,
look at this what Stephen ax Smith just piling on
by you took this out. I can say it now,
he says, I didn't want to say it before. I
was never excited about him going to BYU, not even
a little bit. I was never excited about that. You
talk about a cat that had to carry the load.
It was definitely him. And then not only that, their
bench in terms of bench minutes, bench productivity, they ranked
like three hundred and eighth in the nation at bau So.
But Debonsa has been dealing with this all year. I
don't know why the hell he went to by you personally,
it should have been somewhere else. That's just me, that's
Stephen A. Smith questioning why de bon So it shows
BYU today on first take, Well, go to break. We'll
come in on the flip side of maybe talk with
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a look at these Toyotas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've got our Like I said, we've got
our our March Madness basketball shootout kind of promotional going
on this week and next week.
Speaker 4: Have a chance to win one thousand bucks.
Speaker 3: Come on in, just test drive a vehicle or take
a selfie here at the dealership with the hashtag ot
shoot and you'll get entered in for that. We're gonna
draw next Monday and shoot on Thursday again. Ten individuals
are going to be drawn. Five of those individuals have
an opportunity to win one thousand dollars. So pretty pretty
cool deal as far as as far as deals go,
you know, I want to talk about some of the
used cars for a minute. We kind of hit on
certified pre owned a little bit earlier today, and I
honestly believe some of our certified pre owns are the
best deals on a Here on the lot, I've got
twenty twenty six Corolla Corolla hybrids, and I've got twenty
twenty five RAP four hybrids with less than fifty miles
on them that are basically brand new vehicles. They still
have the new window car sticker in some of them.
And the best part about buying a CPO that way,
or certified pre owned, is you're actually getting more than
you what you would get if you were to buy
it brand new, because the certified pre owned carries a
seven year hundred thousand mile warranty included with it, whereas
if you were to just buy it brand new, you'd
only get a five year sixty and then a lot
of these actually because of where we got them in
the country, they actually have maintenance built into them that's
included on the window sticker, so you might not even
have to pay for an old chance for five years
on some of these.
Speaker 4: So we've got a great deal there.
Speaker 3: We've also got you know, tons of vehicles priced in
and really you know, under twenty five thousand, under twenty thousand,
whatever you need, come come check us out. We're taking
in fresh trades every day and we can definitely, you know,
be the dealership for you, your family, your friends, because
here at or Toyota, you lead the way.
Speaker 1: You lead the way here at orm Toyota. Stop in
and say hello, talk some ball with us and test
drive any of these tundras, these for runners, these Tacomas.
We got a bunch of great deals going on the camera,
gas and hybrid. We got you covered there as well
as the Corolla family, and we have four family. If
you're looking for a Toyota, this is the place, now's
the time, Now's the place. Or on Toyota. We just
you lead the way. Let us, let us suff