WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.000 Oh better there. 2 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:17.559 Mm hm. 3 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:37.320 Trigger warn This podcast may include explicit content that will 4 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.439 take you out of your comfort zone and make you 5 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:40.479 question reality. 6 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.840 Listener's discretion is advised. 7 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:17.239 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode we got a 8 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:20.000 very very special guest and I guess a special show 9 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.680 on topic for you. But before we get to the guests, 10 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.040 I do want to introduce you the other rejects that 11 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:28.040 are joining us tonight. Tonight, I'm going to start with 12 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:31.480 Heidi to the left of me. Heidi, let everybody know 13 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:33.480 what your deal is and what's up and where they 14 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:34.760 can find all your amazing work. 15 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:36.439 Please awesome. 16 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:38.840 I am Heidi, love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm everywhere 17 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:43.000 podcasts are served. My little forte is Mormons because I 18 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:46.159 used to be one, and also JFK because I'm a weirdo. 19 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:46.920 I don't know. 20 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:50.560 Anything that has to do with that, right, and so 21 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:53.840 find me there and at Unfilteredrise podcast dot com. Thank 22 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.560 you for having me, happy to be here. 23 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.799 Listen, no, thank you, thank you, and maybe new listeners 24 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:00.680 that might be coming across the show for the first time. 25 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:03.239 Definitely go check out her Mormon Mafia series on here. 26 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:07.000 That is That is on Fire. Great work, especially JJ. 27 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.319 You know he's involved in it too, some great stuff. 28 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.520 Definitely check it out and JJ, you're next. What's up, sir? 29 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.120 Let everybody know what your deal is. 30 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:18.560 Nick Creating, Sir. Appreciate the invite. 31 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:22.280 As always, I enjoyed the occult Rejects roundtable discussions we 32 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:26.479 have here, but tonight, you know specifically because I ever 33 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:30.159 since I encountered a Kentucky vampire cult years ago that 34 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.759 I've long been interested in these subjects. 35 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.479 So JJ vance not. 36 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:39.719 The vice president, it's the operation GCD. Definitely looking forward 37 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:42.439 to the conversation. Julia and Heidi is always great to 38 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:44.639 join you. It's that's great to meet you. 39 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:48.680 Awesome, thank you very much. Yeah, And when I had 40 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:50.120 asked her to come on, I was like, I have 41 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.960 to ask him to come on because I'm gonna be honest. 42 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.319 I really didn't entertain vampire cults too much until you 43 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:57.120 had me on and we talked about it. I was like, yoh, 44 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.199 this is really interesting. So I got to get my 45 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.400 man off for this. So thank you. Like I had 46 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:04.800 told you, I think I said, you probably inspired this somehow, 47 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.800 so I appreciate it. And next, lest but not least, 48 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.360 Cosmic Peach Julia, what up? What's going on? 49 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:13.439 What's up? 50 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.560 Nick? I'm excited to be here. This is gonna be 51 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.520 a good one. I can already tell by the guest Bangs, 52 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:26.159 I was just commenting on before we got started. She's fabulous. 53 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:30.199 But yeah, no, I have Cosmic Peach podcast. If you 54 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:36.280 haven't found me already, you never will. Honorary occult reject 55 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.439 for the night though, excited to be here. 56 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:42.000 Yeah, thank you very much. Always a pleasure to have you. 57 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:48.639 And finally to the guest, Celeste Moott, writer wickan witch rat, Mom, 58 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.680 all sorts of things. Please let everybody know. I guess 59 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:55.840 what your deal is? Where if because I do know 60 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:57.680 you have social media, which I did include that in 61 00:03:57.719 --> 00:03:59.599 the mottom for people, but if you want to let 62 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:01.199 people know, so I guess maybe what your deal is 63 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:03.919 and where they can find your stuff, and I guess 64 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.039 after that we'll get into how you got involved in 65 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:07.400 the an Rise Vampire cle. 66 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.479 Well what a story it is. Yeah. So my name 67 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.560 is Celeste mott I'm been a full time professional which 68 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:20.800 as my only source of income for about seven eight years, 69 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.600 and been sort of doing a cult work for about 70 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.680 twenty years. And yeah, also mother of rats. I have 71 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:35.920 several rats that I caretake. And I'm a writer. I 72 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:42.279 went to school for poetry and am currently working on 73 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.560 a book about what I went viral for unexpectedly the 74 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:49.040 last week. So I'm excited about all of that. You 75 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.360 can find my spiritual work. And also, if you're listening 76 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:55.399 to this and you haven't encountered my weird saga of vampires, 77 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:57.639 I'm making videos about it on my Instagram and on 78 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:01.800 my TikTok. So I'm Celeste Mott Motti over on Instagram, 79 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:06.399 and I'm Celesto Moth like the flying thing over on TikTok. 80 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:10.639 That is great. I'll have to edd you over on TikTok. 81 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:11.560 I don't know you were over there. 82 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:14.279 Yeah, yeah, so. 83 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.040 I guess, you know, I guess maybe if you can 84 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.160 maybe even give us, like a I guess, an idea 85 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:24.399 like where you were in your life when this evens, 86 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.360 Like how did you even come about to get get 87 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:28.360 into it? You know what I'm saying. 88 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:33.160 Yeah, for sure. So I joined this on it was 89 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.240 the whole thing started online and those of you who's 90 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:38.120 seen the videos will kind of know the genesis of 91 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:42.600 the story and the Internet of two thousand and three 92 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.319 was not the Internet of twenty twenty five. It was 93 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:49.120 different in many, many ways. So I was in high 94 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:50.720 school at the time. I think I was fifteen. I 95 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:54.079 might've been sixteen, just but I was a kid, you know, 96 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:56.879 living with my mom in Australia, which is where I 97 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:00.639 grew up, and you know, I just was not having 98 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.240 a great time. I was a weird little kid in 99 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:10.319 a very very boring, suburban beach front kind of existence. 100 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.279 I was a little goth kid, you know, and into 101 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:15.839 weird music and listen to a lot of like David 102 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.879 Bowie and The Cure and yeah, you know, jam and 103 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.079 reading a lot of and Rise, reading a lot of 104 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:25.639 other horror novels, and very into the paranormal and the 105 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.959 occult even then. I've been into that since I was 106 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.600 a teeny tiny little kid reading books about witches and 107 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.240 ghosts and stuff. And I just didn't really have a 108 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.319 huge community around me of people in real life. I 109 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:38.879 had friends, you know, like there are a couple of 110 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:40.600 people in the TikTok comments who are like, did you 111 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:42.480 ever think of making a friend? I was like, I 112 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:46.879 had friends, Like, come on, now, I wasn't. I wasn't 113 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.399 a complete loser. But you know, I didn't have a 114 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.959 lot of people in real life that I was able 115 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.079 to vibe with about these bigger things that I was into. 116 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:59.879 And so, like a lot of people my age, even older, 117 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.160 you know, in that time on the Internet, I went 118 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.319 online and I looked for people who had similar interests. 119 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.959 I was very motivated, even at a young age. You've 120 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:11.839 been in my teens, you know, to find something more. 121 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.160 I had a real sense that there was something that 122 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:17.639 existed outside of just paying your bills and working a 123 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:21.040 shitty job and you know, doing your algebra homework. I 124 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:25.600 had had some supernatural and paranormal experiences and some spiritual experiences, 125 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.959 and so I took to you know, ask Jeeves. I guess, 126 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.720 just like free everybody using Google. So I asked Jeeves, 127 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:38.079 you know, vampires, real vampires, real online like, show me 128 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:42.079 what you got. And came across all sults of strange 129 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.279 and wonderful websites that existed again back in the old 130 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:47.240 days of the Internet. But one of the websites I 131 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:50.759 came across was this internet forum that claimed to be 132 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:55.879 run by Anne Rice's Vampires, which is ludicrous on first blush, 133 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.040 but you know, the saga continues. 134 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:01.079 I love it. 135 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.240 So this is like a real cult that's still I 136 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:08.560 mean they still have it's still operating, and that's. 137 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:12.800 A great question. What I can say is this, the 138 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:17.120 people who ran this group definitely do still have an 139 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:21.120 online presence. And the presence that they have online now 140 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.519 you know, you can it's a URL that anybody can 141 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:27.240 type in, and anyone can go to this little back 142 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:29.920 end site, but you can't see anything. They have a 143 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:31.480 form that you can fill out and you can say, 144 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.279 you know, were you a current are you a current member? 145 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.480 Where you a former member? Are you a total new 146 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.440 person to this whole thing? And you can request to 147 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.679 join and then they will or will not give you 148 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:42.759 the log in for the back end of their site. 149 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:47.159 So it operates. I assume in some sense. I have 150 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.279 not been part of it since I guess they kicked 151 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.519 me out in twenty eleven. The last contact I had 152 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:54.799 with any of these people was twenty fourteen and it 153 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:57.919 did not go well. So I don't know how active 154 00:08:57.960 --> 00:08:59.960 it is behind the scenes, but yeah, it's still there. 155 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:04.799 Did they give names like my name is this? My 156 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:05.440 name is that? 157 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.320 Like specific vampires from like the novens? 158 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.919 Yeah, so the kind of the setup of the whole group, 159 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:16.360 and this was part of what when I first found 160 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:17.600 it made me think of like, oh, this is a 161 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.840 bunch of bullshit, you know, like I don't know, I'm 162 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.440 assuming we can swear on the occult rejects and I'm 163 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:28.960 assumed cursing is signed. Sometimes like no, I'm like, I'm 164 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:32.519 from Australia. There's nothing i can do about that. But yeah, 165 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:38.279 so most internet forums fandom stuff, you know, and rise 166 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:42.159 or whatever fandom that you were looking at that existed 167 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:44.720 at the time. And still if you sign up, you're 168 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:48.559 signing up either as yourself or you're signing up and saying, hey, 169 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.000 you know, I would love to join your like fune 170 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.320 little role playing game. I would like to play the 171 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:55.960 role of Lastett. Here's my audition. And then everybody kind 172 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:58.960 of knows, all right, we're all writing collaboratively. It's a 173 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.639 role play. In real life, I'm celess, but I'm going 174 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:04.360 to be like lestat. On the internet, this group was 175 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.759 very different. You were not allowed to audition to play 176 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:09.480 a role. You were not allowed to go on there 177 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.360 and be like I am Nostratu and I'm here to 178 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.840 drink a beer with Lissette in the bar, you had 179 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.600 to just be you. But the moderators at the forum 180 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:22.519 were the vampires that we had all step We had 181 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.399 a you know, armand we had a Louis met a Marius. 182 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:30.360 And those people never revealed their real names. They were 183 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.240 in character all the time. And the part that really 184 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:35.879 turned it into kind of a cult like environment. And 185 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.840 this went on, you know, for me eleven years, I 186 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.279 think I was involved. Other people were involved for much 187 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:48.039 much longer, but the mosque never dropped at any point, 188 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:53.200 and they really created this environment where they were insisting 189 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:57.360 we are the immortal vampires, like in one way or another, 190 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.039 we are who we claim to be, and if you 191 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.440 don't believe it, you know, we're going to make your 192 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:04.759 life very difficult. Like either we're either you're just going 193 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:06.960 to get the boot and you're out of the club, 194 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.120 or we're going to belittle you and bully you and 195 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:13.679 harass you until you come to the party. And there 196 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.559 was a lot of like manipulation that went into convincing 197 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:18.120 us that this was the truth. 198 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:27.039 Scientist, I don't know if you know, Oh, I was 199 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:28.399 just going to say, I didn't know if you knew 200 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:30.879 about some of the other ones. I actually interviewed an 201 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:34.440 ex vampire already. He was from the nether really yeah, 202 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:35.799 and he was in a guys one. 203 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:36.559 It was this guy. 204 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:38.639 He's a famous guy and they do like shows and 205 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.759 you can go to the show and like they have 206 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:44.639 like raves and stuff like that, and like back about 207 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:45.600 the same timeframe. 208 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.440 I can't remember the guy's name that he was a part. 209 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:51.600 Of the same Is this the Sanguinarian group, It's not, 210 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.960 it's not he has the best and is it? 211 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:57.639 I think it might be Father's the best. 212 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:00.799 Yeah, well I know, I know, I know those folks 213 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:01.240 a little bit. 214 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:03.720 Yeah. He sent me a whole bunch of literature. It 215 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:04.759 was super interesting. 216 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.120 He sent me like the Temple of the Vampire books 217 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.000 and stuff, and I read a whole bunch of it before. 218 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.480 So fascinating to hear too, Like he was explaining about 219 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.919 like the mental vampiism versus. 220 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.440 Yeah, energy stuff. And that's a funny thing about the 221 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.879 group I was in, Like even though at first blush 222 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.200 you look at it and you think, well, that's peyton 223 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:27.919 ridiculous of course, Like this person on the internet forum 224 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.879 is not a fictional vampire written by Anne Rice. God 225 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:34.679 rest your soul, But there was a lot of intersection 226 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:37.159 with the groups that you just mentioned, you know, like 227 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:40.279 what they would call like the real vampire community, the 228 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:44.279 sanguinarian community, the other kin community, like all of these 229 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:50.799 things kind of coalescing in a oddly frightening way. 230 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:56.360 Wow, it sounds like go ahead, I know you're done. 231 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:57.000 How to go ahead? 232 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:57.840 Oh? 233 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:00.240 I was just gonna say, so, did you like get 234 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.159 involved with the other ones? Do they all come together 235 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:04.039 and like meet at certain times or. 236 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.600 I mean not explicitly, I guess. I think like with 237 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.679 any weird subculture, you know, in the same way as 238 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.360 the goth subculture intersects with the vampire subculture oftentimes just 239 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:20.000 because you got some shared interests. There were definitely individual 240 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.799 members of the group I was in, and possibly also 241 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.559 moderators that did intersect with the sanguinarian community. It's a 242 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.480 little convoluted, but very very much. Toward the end of 243 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:33.200 my involvement with the group, the people involved in running 244 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.279 the group I was in actually founded a like vampire's 245 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:40.120 only Facebook that they call get Fanged, and the whole 246 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:45.120 get Fanged group was strictly for sanguinarians, so there was overlap, 247 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:49.000 but to my I mean, I never met anybody that 248 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:51.000 I know to be a moderator who was like at 249 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:52.960 any of these events. I've gone to the events, though, 250 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.879 like sometimes I'll go to an endless night ball in 251 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.840 New Orleans. A lot I have my thoughts on a 252 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:02.679 lot of those people, so I like to keep myself 253 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:07.039 on the gently on the outside looking in. But yeah, 254 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.639 there was definitely I think there was probably a lot 255 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.759 more overlap than I even realize at this point. 256 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:16.519 Wow, okay, awesome, thank you. 257 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:19.240 Yeah, you welcome, so. 258 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:21.519 Celesti, you were saying, well, now I have a new 259 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.600 question also to add on there. I appreciate that what's 260 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.200 the sanguinarian. 261 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:25.919 What is this? 262 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:32.480 So the sanguinarian community, And again, being not myself a 263 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:34.159 part of that community, I can only speak as a 264 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.639 kind of fringe outsider. So if I if anything up 265 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.320 and somebody watches this, don't come from me, oh my gosh. 266 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:44.519 But my understanding is that the sanguinarian community is a 267 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:51.200 vampire based subculture where the participants do drink human blood. 268 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.200 They believe in some sense that they are vampires or 269 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:57.679 that they are and sometimes sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's 270 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:00.000 like an it's an energy exchange, right, that's the purpose. 271 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.759 So we're not talking like, you know, filling up an 272 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:04.279 eight pint glass and down in it. 273 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:07.480 But some of them will blood eggs. 274 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.360 Yeah, or you know, you'll have a donor and someone 275 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.200 you know, you'll have your your donor who shut up. 276 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:21.759 Yeah he said, it's all like they he was each other. Yeah, 277 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:23.960 and it has to be like all checked out and 278 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.120 like yeah, contracts. 279 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:27.360 Yeah. 280 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:27.559 Yeah. 281 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:28.480 Yeah. 282 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.039 It's because in a way it kind of overlaps again, 283 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.720 it's it is not necessarily the kink scene, but it 284 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:35.679 intersects with the kink scene, so you. 285 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.759 Have a way of Yeah, I can easily, I can 286 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.799 even say that's like you'll sometimes wonder if that's why 287 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:43.639 you get that kind of even within like I saw 288 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:45.799 that with the oto, how I could see how it 289 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:47.840 does kind of connect to the kink scene in a way, 290 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:49.080 and I think that's how you get some of the 291 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:50.879 more weirder ones showing up. 292 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:55.559 Yeah I'm not I'm not into Yeah, I'm not into 293 00:15:55.679 --> 00:16:00.320 kink shaming or anything like that, but I mean, I 294 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.360 just it's the thought of it to me is just 295 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:08.279 like you have to wonder if there's not a bit 296 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:10.279 of like mental illness involved. 297 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.679 When you take it to that point, I. 298 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:14.679 Think the body people there is I mean, when you 299 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.840 think about just the prevalence of mental illness generally, I mean, 300 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.320 so many of us are not necessarily entirely well for 301 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:24.159 various reasons, and there's a lot of trauma that brings 302 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:25.960 people into communities like that. I mean, even in the 303 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:27.960 goth community, there's a lot of trauma at play because 304 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:30.159 you're an outsider, you've been an outside of your whole life. 305 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.600 You're not fitting into the mainstream. I think the same 306 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.200 is true of the wider occult community. And very sadly, you know, 307 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:39.879 sometimes it's mild mental illness where you just have not 308 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:42.600 a great childhood and maybe you struggle with some stuff. 309 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.600 And other times it's very severely unchecked mental illness and 310 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:47.399 that is its own problem. 311 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.639 But yeah, you're right, you know, yeah, like drinking blood 312 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:54.039 and starting a cult. Hey, I wouldn't mind starting a 313 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:58.159 cult if it was like like fake vampirism. 314 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:00.000 I'm down with that. Like I could. 315 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.480 I'd almost see myself getting involved with fake vamporism cults 316 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.400 because I grew up in the generation where it was 317 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:10.599 like Twilight, and you know, it was very much kind 318 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:15.599 of sensationalized, and I would have found myself like wanting 319 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:16.839 to be a part of that stuff. 320 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.240 Sure, But I was going to ask, oh, yeah, you 321 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:20.839 go ahead, JJ. 322 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:23.039 Well, no, that's a great point. That's well, that's that's 323 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.319 exactly I was going to ask. Less, was the impact 324 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:28.519 of these these errors of film and whatnot. It sounds 325 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.559 like you joined this form around the time of the 326 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:33.119 turn of the millennium. 327 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.039 Yeah, I think I probably signed up around two thousand 328 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:38.160 and three, so right about then. 329 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.000 Yeah, okay, so you saw the full scope of some 330 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.759 of these films, Like Juliet just pointed out, like, did 331 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:45.720 that impact this community at all? 332 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:46.880 All these films? 333 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:50.920 I mean, I think like the vampire boom that happened 334 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:52.759 in the early two thousands, Like, that's what it felt 335 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:54.799 like to me, much like we kind of had witchcraft 336 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.319 boom a little bit in like twenty twenty because everybody 337 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:59.920 was stuck in their houses and so witch talk became huge, 338 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.480 you know, on TikTok. I think the early two thousands 339 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:05.720 had a little vampire boom for whatever reason. I think 340 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:07.519 Twilight was a big part of that. For sure. 341 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:09.920 Julian was enjoying that. 342 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.720 Huh, dude, I would have joined it in a second 343 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.079 back in seventh grade. 344 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:20.240 Yeah, because it's appealing, Like there's something very airy, universally 345 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.039 appealing about the vampire as an archetype like it. You know, 346 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:26.160 vampires if we don't count like Nosfaratu, which is a 347 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.079 whole mother matter. But you know, they're they're sexy, and 348 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.839 they're eternally young, and they're powerful, and you know if 349 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:36.240 you're especially in the world of Anne Rice and Twilight honestly, 350 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:39.160 but you know, if you're a vampire, you don't never 351 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:41.720 see like a poor, homeless vampire. You don't never see 352 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:46.599 like a vampire that's like old and decrepit. In this 353 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:50.039 in this new media incarnation, what you see is like 354 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:57.279 young and beautiful and intelligent and educated and philosophical and rich. Yeah, 355 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:01.920 and who doesn't if you're a sad little goth kid 356 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.319 with their friends, who doesn't sit in your bedroom thinking 357 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.000 like damn, my life kind of sucks, be really cool 358 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:07.359 if a. 359 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:13.880 Vampire, Yeah, grand Pitt literally interview. 360 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.839 There was some big cultural films, cultural impact films. 361 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.839 Right, what was the Vampire? 362 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:24.759 Yeah, they were Empire film Blade also. 363 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:32.359 Like the Amazing Yeah, they. 364 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:32.160 Were, Yeah, the first one. I liked second one. Was 365 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:33.960 all right after that, let's not talk about it. 366 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.880 I mean, going all the way back to the beginning 367 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:43.519 of time, they are mentioned of vampires. I actually just 368 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:48.680 covered this in a separate episode on another show. And 369 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:53.400 uh they even say like the very first wife of Adam, 370 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:58.400 her name was Lilith, that she she was even vampiic, 371 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:02.680 kind of like an immortal be being who sustained off 372 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.240 of the life of other people or something like that. 373 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:08.839 And I mean it goes all the way back to 374 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:12.079 literally the beginning of time, So there is an obsession 375 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:15.319 with it. But I also think that the obsession comes 376 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:17.920 from there's a little bit of truth in it, that 377 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.079 there are beings out there. They were worshiped in the 378 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.200 old days as like these gods of old and hey, 379 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.440 somebody said you and me black nightclub vampire cole, I'm down. 380 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.519 I would do it. 381 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:38.960 Yeah, but see I would be a ginger goth in there, exiled, 382 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:43.759 so nobody wants me at the party otimate. 383 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:45.720 Everybody loves gingers. I don't know. 384 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:51.599 Yeah, but yeah, there's like a sexiness to the vampire thing. 385 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:57.119 You never see like a crackheaded, you know, vampire that's 386 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:01.519 like not very resourceful. It's all watched a show when 387 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.799 I was growing up. It was called Dark Shadows. Yeah, 388 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:07.599 I don't know if you're familiar with that. I was 389 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:12.079 obsessed with it. And then Tim Burton did that with 390 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:17.759 Johnny Depp. He made Johnny Depp barnabas Collins, and I 391 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:19.440 think that movie is incredible. 392 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:20.039 I love it. 393 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:23.119 But even that show in itself, I would have joined 394 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:26.519 a Dark Shadows cult. I definitely would have. I loved it, 395 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:27.640 loved it. 396 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:30.440 So did they have the literature for you? 397 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.680 They're just like I was explaining, like he had books 398 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:36.160 on books on books, like there was so many books. 399 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:39.359 Oh yeah, with that empire and stuff. 400 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:41.920 Yeah. And I think it's because like if if the 401 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:44.319 and I got to go back now and watch the episode, 402 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:46.160 because that's how I'm like listened to the epith. That 403 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:50.160 sounds fascinating. But if it's the same group that I'm 404 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:54.200 thinking of, parts of that sanguinaryan community and like the 405 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.079 real vampire community, it does kind of cross into almost 406 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:00.200 being a religion or like a you know, I'm not 407 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.200 like a formal religion, but they have just like Felamides, 408 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:05.799 they have holy books, they have like tenets, right, they 409 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:10.119 have rituals our group was not so much like that. 410 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:14.400 It was a lot more chaotic in free form. I mean, 411 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:16.599 if we had like a holy book, you know, it 412 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:19.759 was Anne Rice's books and one thing that did, one 413 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:22.799 thing that did happen, which was a little weird. And 414 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:25.880 you know, with time and age and maturity, I realized 415 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:28.839 that it's not as like spooky and inexplicable as I 416 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:32.359 thought it was when I was sixteen. But they were 417 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:35.200 able to get a bunch of us advanced reader copies 418 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:39.200 some of Ann's books before they were released, which at 419 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:42.599 the time, you know, in the early two thousands seemed 420 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:44.759 really weird. We were like, wow, how did this happen? 421 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:49.599 And there was this whole kind of magical element to 422 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:53.000 it where Lestat on the Forum had said, you know, 423 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:55.839 I'm going to get you guys, some of you guys 424 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.039 advanced copies of the book before it's been published, and 425 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.119 there's going to be little clues and synchronicities and secrets 426 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.160 hidden in there to do with the forum and to 427 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.680 do with you guys, and some of you are going 428 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:09.279 to be in the book, it like under different names, 429 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.079 and so we were all kind of going through the 430 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:16.519 book trying to figure it out. So yeah, No, no 431 00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:22.519 structured tenets, you know, or laws aside from I guess 432 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:25.880 the great law, which was you have to believe and 433 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:31.559 if you don't believe, you're going to be on the outs. Well. 434 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:36.039 I know that vampire novels are very are kind of 435 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:39.480 synonymous with like romance novels, but just kind of like 436 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:41.279 that has like. 437 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.960 The vampire element, kind of like Twilight. 438 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.720 But I know several serial killers who were inspired by 439 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.359 romance novels. I mean there is a serious obsession with it. 440 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.359 Did they ever ask you, like extort you for money 441 00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:58.559 or anything like that, like you can get this copy 442 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.319 if you pay X dollars or anything. 443 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:06.200 Nothing super explicit. Somebody on TikTok asked me this as well. 444 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.200 And I think it's because when you talk about when 445 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.440 you talk about cults, oftentimes people are like, well, where's 446 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.400 the financial incentive, because that is sort of typical as 447 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:17.359 the cult leader makes a lot of money. You know, 448 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.599 you look at Keith Nary from nexim or you look 449 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.359 at like any of these assholes they wind up riches kings. 450 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:29.599 There were attempts made to monetize the group I was 451 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:36.000 in on and off, mostly through like subscriptions to special 452 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:40.240 like forums or access to special archives. They had this whole, 453 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.519 very strange period of time where they ran a kind 454 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:47.039 of sister website that was supposed to be a paranormal 455 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:50.039 investigation group called the Talamasca. That's a big thing in 456 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:52.160 an RISI's books. And they were like, oh, you can 457 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.680 join up and join the Talamasca and research the paranormal, 458 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:58.039 but you're going to have to pay you know, nine 459 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.480 a month or whatever it is. But none of that 460 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:02.279 really took off. And I think a big part of 461 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:04.599 the reason that it didn't is most of us on 462 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:10.240 this site were young, like either actual minors like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, 463 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.000 or just in early college, still living with our parents. 464 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.519 Like no one had very deep pockets. So the monetization 465 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:20.480 didn't go anywhere for them. But I think for them 466 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:24.359 it was all about the attention and the power and 467 00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:25.039 the control. 468 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.160 Did they ever show their faces. 469 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:33.319 Nope, never, not to my knowledge. I mean. And this 470 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.079 is the other weird thing though, And I've been down 471 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:38.880 the rabbit hole for the past week since you know, 472 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.759 I didn't intend to start telling this story on TikTok. 473 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:44.039 I was recovering from a sinus infection and I was 474 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.880 looking at my TikTok account. No, man, I had a 475 00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:50.440 lot of engagement recently, like just yapping on the internet. 476 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:52.279 What if I just like, what if I just tell 477 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.640 this cult story and see what happens? And then you know, 478 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.240 I'm at collectively almost two million views of all the 479 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:03.920 videos since them, which is it? Kind of it kind 480 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.000 of slowed down on TikTok, but then on Instagram reels 481 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.640 it went bananas. But yeah, like this idea of like 482 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:13.559 did they or did they not show their faces? I've 483 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.079 been back in my archives, like archived a lot of 484 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.440 material back in the day while I was part of 485 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.400 this group. I saved chat logs, I saved ale instant 486 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:22.279 messenger logs. 487 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.319 I have like oh yeah, you can see like on 488 00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.279 your on your Instagram, you even. 489 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:31.400 The web share Yeah, screenshots of like what the website 490 00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:35.000 used to look like and everything. So I was ruthless. 491 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:36.759 I was known for it at the time, and it 492 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.519 made them very uncomfortable and probably continues to make them 493 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:41.400 very uncomfortable. 494 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.279 But I you know what you could probably do now 495 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.000 that I'm just saying, if you ever wanted to, like, 496 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:47.640 oh I wish I could go back, you could probably 497 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.359 use the wayback machine and possibly find some of them. 498 00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:56.440 There's some stuff there, I looked, Yeah, yeah, Because the 499 00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:58.559 forum was password protected and you had to have an 500 00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.160 account to really see anything, you can't find anything much 501 00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:01.920 like with. 502 00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:03.400 Regard to that, but you know, you can see their 503 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.559 old websites and stuff it's Banana's. But regarding their faces, 504 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:15.599 there was so many layers of like bullshit and subterfuge 505 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:19.720 and obfuscation, and so there was never a moment when 506 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:21.920 like the person playing with STAT who you know, who 507 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:23.519 we thought was the stat There was never a moment 508 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.920 will with STAT like turned the webcam on and was like, hey, MTV, 509 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:32.400 welcome to my crib. But there were members like regular 510 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:35.720 people like me right who I became friends with over 511 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.279 the years, very close, stayed in these people's houses, you know, 512 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:42.839 traveled with them, who in retrospect very likely were involved 513 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.880 in some way. And over the past week I've been 514 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:47.880 talking to a lot of other members from the time, 515 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:51.000 and we've been exchanging notes and putting the puzzle pieces 516 00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:54.200 together and something else shows just this is an exclusive 517 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:58.119 scoop for the the Occult Rejects because I wasn't sure 518 00:27:58.119 --> 00:27:59.640 if I was going to talk about this publicly and 519 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.559 I'm not on TikTok, but one of the ladies who 520 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:09.599 probably started the whole cult. That's the working theory. She 521 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:13.119 was an older woman. She almost certainly founded the whole thing. 522 00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.599 She never admitted to it, but we've all been able to, 523 00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:20.559 you know, connect the dots. She actually died like seven 524 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:25.759 days before I started making my videos, and I found 525 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.440 that out yesterday. I found her obituary and I was like. 526 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.559 Oh, dang, so she never saw your stuff? 527 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.640 No, maybe not. Let you be free to do it, 528 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:38.400 you know what I mean? 529 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.640 Did you feel like kind of a spiritual strange little 530 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.359 like crossing over, you know something, This lady left this 531 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:50.039 modal coil and somehow the truth was set free. But 532 00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:51.880 that was weird. So I guess in theory, I have 533 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.920 seen one of their faces just in a twenty minute 534 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.000 long memorial video, which was very surreal. 535 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.440 Did she look notable. 536 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:09.279 Or just like a little old lady? She really seventy 537 00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:10.119 five year old woman. 538 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.200 Yeah, I was gonna say, did she look like she 539 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.400 was eternally sixteen or anything? 540 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.640 Very Unfortunately we're all concerned to know she did not. 541 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.799 Yeah, sorry, Celeste, I'm going to jump in really quick. 542 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.920 I called as I was a little bit late. I 543 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.759 apologize to everybody, and thank you Nick obviously for hosting me. 544 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:35.240 But so this is very interesting to me. You're saying, 545 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.440 like a woman, uh, sort of founded the cult. 546 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:39.200 And I know that. 547 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:41.839 I've discussed this with Heidi, I've discussed this with JJ 548 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.119 and I'm sure Julia is familiar with it. But the 549 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.440 idea in process obviously Marianne Grimston and like this kind 550 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.799 of like Mother Prophet Seer Love later. And my friend 551 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.240 Ashley who's in the chat right now, she is studying 552 00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:58.559 another called out of North Carolina called the Word of Faith, 553 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:02.000 and they are called is also run by a woman, 554 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.119 an older woman, and they call her the Mother Prophet. 555 00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.319 So I was just wondering if you called her any 556 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.200 kind of particular titles other than her character. 557 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.359 We never knew her identity for sure. Like, the only 558 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:19.000 way I know that this woman almost certainly did found 559 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.359 the whole thing is through like you know, almost twenty 560 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:27.279 years of various different people sleuthing and putting the pieces 561 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:30.039 together and you know, adding it all up over the years. 562 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:34.279 So this woman never came clean as herself and said 563 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.519 yeah it's me, I'm behind it. She never stepped you know, 564 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:40.799 out onto the stage and took any kind of responsibility 565 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.559 that we would have given her a special name. She 566 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.200 was just always behind that smokes her. And she played Louis, 567 00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:51.880 who's like the sad boy. And Rice's character Brad Pitt. Yeah, 568 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.720 brad Pitt. She played Brad Pitt. But yeah nos so 569 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:58.359 in her case. No. But I will say that even 570 00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:04.119 she did exist on the forum in this group as herself. 571 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.960 She did have a username and logged on and would 572 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.480 tell people about, you know, her gardening and her grandkids 573 00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:12.920 and her piano playing and stuff like that. She met 574 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.319 some people in real life. I was not one of them, 575 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.799 but she did go to meetups and so on. But 576 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.359 Onie ever as herself. And the only way that she 577 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:28.400 was special as herself was that she claimed that she 578 00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:31.279 had met the vampires in real life and that she 579 00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:33.400 was a big part of why so many people came 580 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.480 to believe because she was like, look, I'm at the time, 581 00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.519 you know, a sixty year old grandma. Why would I 582 00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.480 ally to you guys about any of this, Like, I'm 583 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.319 an upstanding member of the community. I've worked the same 584 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.720 university job for forty years. I used to be an 585 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.160 opera singer. I'm a very normal person, but I'm telling 586 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:54.240 you that vampire is real because I've met one. And 587 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:55.839 that was the only way that she was special. So 588 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.319 she didn't get like a special title. No one gave 589 00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.559 her credit for running the soul operation. We really didn't 590 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.839 find out until years later, but she did distinguish herself 591 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.279 insofar as she was the special one who had actually 592 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:10.319 had this face to face contact that all of us, 593 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:11.680 you know, desperately wanted. 594 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:18.960 Basically was it was like she's seen them, She's telling 595 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.640 you they're real. But I mean, I'm just surprised that 596 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:26.119 they didn't try to, like say, if you paid X 597 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.559 number dollars, you could get to meet one of them 598 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.279 or something, or like, I'm surprised they didn't. They didn't 599 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:36.960 try to like monetize that in some way, like I mean. 600 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.960 I need one go ahead. 601 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.359 I'm sorry, JJ No, that was That's a great point. 602 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:42.960 I was thinking the same thing. What was their in game? 603 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:44.799 But they're not trying to monetize it, Like, what is 604 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:45.400 their in game? 605 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.640 Well, they make a lot of money on these balls 606 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:49.960 she's talking about. You have to dress a certain way, 607 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.440 you have to have everything to the utmost like like 608 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:54.319 a big deal. 609 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.160 Yeah, and if they were in some way connected with that, 610 00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.400 which I don't know if they were or not. I mean, 611 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.640 you know, gain before anyone's lawyers descend upon me. I'm 612 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.920 definitely not saying that my group no, were officially a 613 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:10.720 part of that, but there may have been other income streams. 614 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.240 But I think also any attempts they made to monetize 615 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.480 just didn't work. I mean, their last ditch effort to 616 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:22.640 monetize was around about twenty ten and they started this 617 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.480 like vampire Facebook thing. It was pretty well made site. 618 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.279 I wish I had screenshots of that, but I don't. 619 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.680 I mean, it worked very well. They clearly had hired 620 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.319 a web designer who really knew what they were doing, 621 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.240 and they had a whole thing set up, and they 622 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.880 were trying to position that and launch it as you know, 623 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.839 this is the alternative Vampire's only Facebook, and we're going 624 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:44.759 to be rich off that, and I think it just 625 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.160 didn't go anywhere. I don't know if that's because so 626 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:53.039 many people in the community again just like didn't really 627 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.160 have the money and weren't that interested. But yeah, they 628 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.240 didn't monetize it. I think what they were in it for, 629 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.519 I mean I have a couple of theories. Main theory 630 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.319 is that these people were just not well, especially this 631 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:10.559 like older lady you know, who passed away recently. Not 632 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.800 to speak ill of the dead, but I just don't 633 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.519 think that you could possibly be a well human being 634 00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.360 if you spend thirty plus years of your life as 635 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.480 a fully grown adult with children and grandchildren and a 636 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:26.880 job and a life lying to miners on the internet 637 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.599 that you are a vampire or have met vampire something. 638 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:34.000 It's not right in your head. You're not doing well. Yeah, 639 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.239 so mental illness possibly, But I think it was attention. 640 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:41.960 I think it was control. I think being able to 641 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:47.239 convince a huge group of people to believe something bananas 642 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.960 has a lot of appeal for a certain type of person, 643 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:53.280 and so I think that was the payoff. 644 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:58.679 Really, how many people do you, like roundabouts were involved 645 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.400 in the group when you were When I was. 646 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.639 A part of the group, there were about I want 647 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:09.119 to say, three or four hundred people like registered as. 648 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:15.159 That's pretty good, that's pretty good for Yeah, I mean 649 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.400 not all of them are hustred or something. 650 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.480 Yeah, not all of them were like regularly active. So 651 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.400 we had definitely that many people who were there and 652 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:25.800 observing or whatever. I would say in terms of like 653 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.800 active participating members, probably close it about one hundred and 654 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.840 fifty and then off that there was even smaller inner 655 00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.960 circle group of which I was unfortunately part, and that 656 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.840 was maybe like thirty people thirty thirty five people who 657 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.519 were you know, going and meeting each other offline and 658 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.960 going to meet up events and extremely invested in like 659 00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.320 the narrative. But yeah, pretty big group comparatively. 660 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.800 Did you just get rid of it with age or 661 00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:59.239 they you said they kicked you out or oh yeah. 662 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:04.000 They kicked me out, which I would use to. 663 00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.599 Send me proof and they were like, you know what, 664 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.760 You're out of the group pretty much. 665 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.960 Honestly, yeah, I would love to say that I had 666 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:14.920 just matured and become a more sensible person and walked away, 667 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.559 but very sadly, no, they eroded my mental health over 668 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.679 I mean, you know, other things were also eroding my 669 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.000 mental health and fairness. They're not completely responsible, but I 670 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.079 was not doing well in my early twenties and my 671 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:33.760 late teens, and I think for me, you know, a 672 00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.599 lot of my peers who were in the same group 673 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.920 were able to take things a little bit more lightly, 674 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.519 and they were able to kind of participate. And yes, 675 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.400 it was impacting them and changing the way they viewed 676 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.079 the world, and they were invested, but they weren't quite 677 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.480 as invested as I was. You know, I was all 678 00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:58.760 in to a damaging degree. But I also really really 679 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:04.960 struggled to fully believe even though I was all in, 680 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.079 even though I really wanted it to be true, I 681 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.360 really struggled with just like being like, Okay, cool, yeah, 682 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.559 this is all real. Let's move let's move on with 683 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.760 with you know, whatever's going on. And so I think 684 00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:20.920 the doubt and the constantly looking for answers. You know, 685 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.559 I was constantly I mean that's why I have files 686 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.199 on my computer to this day with all the evidence. 687 00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.880 I was always talking to people, asking questions, trying to 688 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:34.119 find out the truth. I would have conversations with the vampires, 689 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.599 the moderators and say, look, there's been ten years. You 690 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.840 guys can just tell me what's really going on, Like, 691 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:41.519 we don't have to do we don't have to do 692 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.079 all this. You know, if we're friends, we're friends, we've 693 00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.800 built a relationship over a decade, you'd just be real 694 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:51.280 with me. And they wouldn't. And so then I took 695 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.639 matters into my own hands to try and discover the 696 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.119 truth whether they were going to tell me or not, 697 00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:58.719 which included tracking down IP addresses and talking to people 698 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.280 that they didn't want me to talk to. 699 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.199 I'll get you kicked out every time. 700 00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.559 Yes it will, Yes, it will. And so that's it, 701 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.480 and that's why they booted me. Ultimately, was just having 702 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:14.199 conversations with the wrong people, asking too many questions. And 703 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:17.000 I think from their perspective, you know, not to not 704 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.719 to be overly fair to a bunch of people who 705 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:24.559 light and manipulated miners for years, But from their perspective, 706 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:26.079 I think it was like this. You know, I was 707 00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:30.239 making trouble. I was not just swallowing what they had 708 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.079 to tell me and sitting down quietly and dealing with it. 709 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:34.960 And they didn't like that. 710 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.960 So mm hmm, yeah, no kidding. 711 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.440 Hey, JJ, that sounds like the Mormons. 712 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:42.920 I was going to say the exact same thing. 713 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:47.639 That sounds like the same damn experience serious former Mormons. 714 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:48.800 I was thinking the same thing. 715 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:50.679 Yeah, And I. 716 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.119 Feel like it's common to a lot of those groups, right, Like, 717 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.760 but my roommate actually is a former Mormon, so I've. 718 00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.559 I've heard Mormon and stuff. 719 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.599 But also, you know scientology, you've got the same thing. 720 00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.079 If you're out, you're out. That's it. You're a non person, 721 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.679 and they're going to tell us wise about you and 722 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.920 turn other people against you. And this was much the same, 723 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:14.239 just on a very smaller scale. 724 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:23.840 Well the scientologists are hiding? What what are they hiding? 725 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:24.760 I have series. 726 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.280 I'd rather be a part of the vampire cult than 727 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:36.559 the Mormons, just just saying they're waiting. I'd much rather 728 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:40.079 be part of a vampire cult. But I did have 729 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.760 a question for you. Have you ever watched the show 730 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:50.000 or the movie called Catfish? Yeah, okay, so you know 731 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.119 how like in the in the movie Catfish, like the 732 00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:57.360 original Catfish story, he shows up and it's that one 733 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:01.159 lady and she's playing like many many roles. I mean, 734 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.079 she's got like twenty Facebook accounts set up, she's got 735 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:10.280 like cousins and brothers and like moms and all this stuff, 736 00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:14.559 and it's just one lady. And you know, she had 737 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.960 convinced this guy had completely fallen in love with her, 738 00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:21.679 and you know, showed up and she even like brought 739 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.079 him in her house and was still trying to keep. 740 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:24.760 The ruse up. 741 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.159 So I mean, the thing is, when you start digging 742 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.639 in and you start trying to find answers because you 743 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:36.159 feel like something's fishy, they will at all costs try 744 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.440 to keep the fantasy alive. Oh yeah, so they they 745 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:42.880 probably would have rather gotten rid of you than to 746 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.039 just been like, hey, nobody's really a vampire here, we're busted. 747 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.480 You know, They're gonna go down to the last moment 748 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.719 getting people to think they're really vampires than to just 749 00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:56.800 be like busted, you know what I mean. 750 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.519 I remember watching Catfish for the first time. I can't 751 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.079 remember when that came out, but it's going to have 752 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.039 been sometime in the early two thousands, I think, And 753 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.480 I remember watching it at the time and being like, 754 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.280 this is the same. Like I knew on some level, 755 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.760 I was like, what I am involved in it is 756 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.440 going to it is going to be this. And there 757 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:22.960 was always sorry already so much, so much whispering behind 758 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.239 the scenes between those of us who were participants of this, saying, 759 00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:27.840 you know, oh, do you think that so and so 760 00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.480 is real? Do you think that this person's really a plant? 761 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.360 You know? Is this a fake profile? Is that a 762 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.039 fake profile? Like we were highly suspicious the whole time. 763 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:39.960 I found out years later, actually, like a couple of 764 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.320 years ago, I reconnected with some people who were part 765 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.599 of this group, and one of these women said to me, 766 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.320 she was like, you know, you can tell me now, 767 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.639 were you one of the vampires? I was like, bitch, no, 768 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.719 my life had been so much easier if that had 769 00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.880 been the truth. You know, But that's the level of 770 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:02.719 distrust and like weirdness that it created between all of 771 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:04.320 those Yeah. 772 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:08.480 No, for sure, what are your theories not not legally 773 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:12.119 tendering any kind of uh aspect behind that? 774 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.119 Yeah? Yeah, we got to cover cover our legal basis 775 00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:23.840 my theories. So, as I said, you know, yesterday was 776 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.280 a weird day because I found this lady's obituary and 777 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.760 by adding certain things, I mean there were pictures in 778 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.239 this lady's like oh bit slide show that I remember 779 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:33.840 being posted to the forum. So I was like, oh, 780 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.280 this is her, And then I ran it by a 781 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.400 friend of mine who actually met this woman in real life. 782 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.760 I said, just to confirm, is this is this you know, 783 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:43.559 I'm not going to say her name, but is this 784 00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:48.360 Bonnie fake name? Is this Bonnie from the forum who 785 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.920 we all think probably played Louis and my friend was like, well, 786 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:56.880 that's her. So I guess theory one is it really 787 00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.800 was just a bunch of and Rise supers who were 788 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.320 also not well in some way or how to void 789 00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.679 that they needed to fill, and they were filling that 790 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:14.199 by being highly manipulative and sketchy on the Internet. That's 791 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.639 that's the first and probably most likely theory. But I 792 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:22.800 do have a kind of secondary theory which dovetails into 793 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.440 the occult a little bit. You know, I'm a witch 794 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.480 full time now, that's what I do as a job, 795 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.960 and in that line of work, I've seen a lot 796 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.239 of shit and gotten down a lot of rabbit holes 797 00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:36.159 and and a lot of research and reading. And you know, 798 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.760 the concept of the aggregor right where or like theater 799 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:43.559 eggor tulpa thought form. It's got different names that people use, 800 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.000 but the idea that like a concentrated amount of belief 801 00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:52.159 and focus and sometimes meditation or magical practice can create 802 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:57.360 a being or a manifestation or like a thing that 803 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.320 exists independently from the people who are putting that energy 804 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.599 into it. There is a part of me that thinks 805 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.079 that something like that was going on in this group, 806 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.760 not by accident but purposefully And I say that because 807 00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.000 a lot of the people who were running this forum, 808 00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:18.000 I mean Lastat especially, but some of the other moderators too, 809 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.039 knew a lot about the occult. They were posting about Felima, 810 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:26.800 they were posting about Ederer Rosen Tulpa's Tibetan Buddhism, and 811 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.960 so that calls into question, like was there some other 812 00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.400 purpose for all this beyond just like trala la la 813 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.360 la la to pretend to be vampires. You know. 814 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.719 I was going to ask earlier because I was wondering, 815 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.719 like sometimes just like even if people just being manipulated 816 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.400 and used it might be an occultist this somewhere, And 817 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.880 I was going to ask if they entertained the occult 818 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.760 on this form. I just didn't get to asking it, 819 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:54.400 So I guess I guess they didn't. They were open 820 00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:54.800 about it. 821 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.920 Yeah, they were open about it. They were looking back, 822 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:03.679 you know, I think teaching us in some ways. I 823 00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:05.440 mean a lot of us were kids. I was a kid, 824 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.760 and I definitely learned about a lot of these occult 825 00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:12.760 topics and was sort of guided through how to do 826 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.039 further research and learn more by these people. Dreams were 827 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.079 a huge part of what they did like dreaming and 828 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.760 dream work and lucid dreaming and dream walking each other 829 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:28.320 and stuff like that. I first heard the term synchronicity 830 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.440 on this forum and like read the works of Carl 831 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:38.239 Jung because of the forum. So yeah, actually, because. 832 00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:40.800 Go ahead, Joy, who was. 833 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:44.360 Saying, oh, I said they would like get in your dreams? 834 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:45.599 Is that what that means? 835 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.360 Oh yeah, that was a whole That was a whole 836 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.719 other thing. And i mean, look, i am a full 837 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.159 time professional witch and I've experienced some weird shit, but 838 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.480 I'm also a skeptic. Like it's a weird line to draw, 839 00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:57.639 but I've kind of got Scully on one shoulder and 840 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.880 Molder on the other, you know. But there were some 841 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.559 things that I can't really explain. There was some dream experiences. 842 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.360 I've always been a lucid dreamer. I've always been a 843 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.519 very vivid dreamer since I was a tiny little kid. 844 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.960 But there are some things that happened while I was 845 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.679 a part of this forum that were extremely strange. Waking 846 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:20.719 up Lake with my body covered in bruises in places 847 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.719 wouldn't have made sense for me to be like knocking 848 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.679 myself around, you know. Yeah, weird stuff. 849 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:32.519 Wow, that sounds pretty wild. Yeah, I was piggyback on 850 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:34.679 next tape. And I was curious too when you mentioned 851 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:39.280 earlier Julia about the Lilith, the original vampire. So Michael 852 00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.960 Quina's wife, Lilith, when they first started the Temple of Set, 853 00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.199 she starts this thing called I'm not sure if you're 854 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.639 familiar with this list the vampire order. 855 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:48.719 Or the Order of the Vampire. 856 00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:49.360 Yeah. 857 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.639 Yeah, so there's some sort of. 858 00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.000 Mash mashed together of the Lima, like you were saying, 859 00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:58.639 and uh and some sort of vampire business. 860 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:03.159 Oh my god, what And it's like you see that 861 00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:03.480 a lot. 862 00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:05.920 I think, pardon me, I'm getting slipking over this cold. 863 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.239 You see that a lot. I think with for whatever reason, 864 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.519 Thelema just seems to like slot very nicely into just 865 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.719 like there are other belief systems and it kind of 866 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:18.039 but you know, you've seen that with the Tiffony and Oto, right, 867 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:22.000 like that's HP Lovecraft mythology, but it's blended with Thelema, 868 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.400 and so yeah, I don't know whether there was something 869 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:32.280 purposeful going on behind the scenes that was ramping up 870 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.199 to become more organized or more like official in some way. 871 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:37.519 Maybe it did, and I just don't. 872 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.880 Know about it, you know, Well, I have a little 873 00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.800 thing to sort of piggyback off JJ is that there 874 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:46.639 is I don't know if you're familiar with it, sluss, 875 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:47.920 but there is an order. 876 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:50.679 It's called vampire Buddhism for vampires. 877 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:51.760 Excuse me, oh, I don't know. 878 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:56.000 He So it's very larpye and like a lot of 879 00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:59.320 of the we'll say, very online Buddhists, especially on Twitter, we. 880 00:47:59.280 --> 00:47:59.960 All laugh at it. 881 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.639 But there is something that you're you're right about, because 882 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:06.880 we do talk a lot about like things like the 883 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:11.719 Carnel Ground, and we have vampires and obviously like the 884 00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:16.079 kind of Babylon figure like the Dikinis, the Red Girls, 885 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.840 a scarlet woman that's very prominent in Buddhism. So, and 886 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:23.639 they are sometimes considered vampires. But it's a conceptual it's 887 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.199 not literal. It's just it's a strictly conceptual. So I 888 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.360 but I can understand if you were a more literalist person, 889 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:33.559 like you're saying, like you were taking sort of these 890 00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:37.480 books that are fictional, but you're sort of taking them 891 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.840 out of their context and making them like a liturgical 892 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:41.960 or religious text. 893 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:43.360 This is very interesting. 894 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:50.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's and I think, you know, you 895 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.639 bring up a really great point there too, because they're 896 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.400 in the in the tradition of witchcraft that I now practice. 897 00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.679 Let's enter it from that angle. I practice like kind 898 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:05.199 of hybrid tread craft, like traditional witchcraft blended with sort 899 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.000 of folk Catholicism, that sort of where my practice pulls. 900 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:11.440 But in traditional witchcraft and in folkloric witchcraft, I mean 901 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:16.280 you're drawing on folk tales. You're drawing on groom wires 902 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:20.280 written by people, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, 903 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.920 which are in turn drawing on folk tales to formulate 904 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.960 this sort of spiritual system in this magical practice. And 905 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.920 so I think that the line between stories and reality 906 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:35.440 is not quite as like firmly delineated as sometimes we 907 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.519 think it is, especially if you're a magical practitioner, if 908 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:43.000 you're an occultist, like story and narrative are kind of 909 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:47.559 the driving force of an occult worldview, whether or not 910 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:53.079 your story is you know, Crowley's writings or HP Lovecraft 911 00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.320 writings through the lens of Crowley, you know, or fairy 912 00:49:56.360 --> 00:50:00.159 tales like there, it becomes the lens you are looking 913 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.719 at the world through. And so I think, you know, 914 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.840 in your case, you're talking about. The vampire is not, 915 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:07.960 of course, a literal thing that's going to go come 916 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:09.320 to your house and drink your blood in the middle 917 00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:11.639 of the night. It's a it's a sort of metaphorical 918 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:16.159 or symbolic kind of role. But I think sometimes there's 919 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.199 more overlap in those things than we realize, if that 920 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:22.760 makes sense. 921 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.239 Absolutely. I mean this is something that I Nick knows. 922 00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.679 I'm really fascinated by this idea of like parafiction and metafiction. 923 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:33.639 Like looking at the exactly like what you said, like 924 00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.239 Crowley's writing, it'ssel full of fiction, but the people can't 925 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:39.199 really distinguish it. So there's a point where it doesn't 926 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:41.440 even matter because it is kind of real. 927 00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:43.280 It is real if you believe it. 928 00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:45.960 Mm hmmmmmm mm hm. 929 00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.480 So you did mention, Oh you said the lima was 930 00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:56.280 like definitely, was that like more of a bigger thing 931 00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:58.199 that really peaked me? 932 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:03.360 Like on the forum, not explicitly, they were putting ideas 933 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:08.320 out there that were, you know, Belama adjacent, I would say, 934 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:11.719 but they were mishmashing a lot of different spiritual concepts. 935 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:14.400 There was just a real there seemed to be for them, 936 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:18.760 Like for these ban biomoderators a real fascination and definitely 937 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:26.280 a level of knowledge about topics that definitely far exceeded 938 00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:28.199 what most of us are. What, like the average you 939 00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:29.320 on the street wouldn't know. 940 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.440 Did you have any members on there that had like 941 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.039 sigils that they've made of themselves, like as their logo 942 00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:36.960 and stuff like that. 943 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.639 I can't remember that off the top of my head, 944 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.079 but I'm sure we did. I mean, sigil magic. It 945 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.280 did become yeah, it did become a yeah. And because 946 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.119 I think I know where you're going with I think 947 00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:53.000 I know where you're going with that. Maybe I don't 948 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:56.880 recall it, but it wouldn't surprise me. And I think 949 00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:59.599 the if I'm right about where you're going with that, 950 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:01.480 I think the concept is the same. I mean, I 951 00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:03.559 think I've seen people in the chat saying, you know, 952 00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:07.880 energy vampires. I think that there were there was some 953 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:12.360 kind of energetic exchange happening, whether that whether you know, 954 00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.079 we use the term energy vampire or a psychic vampire 955 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.239 for just regular people in our lives who kiss us 956 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:20.199 off right, You're like boss who sucks the air out 957 00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:24.079 of the room immediately he walks in. If you're talking 958 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:26.239 about it, in an occult context, you're talking about somebody 959 00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:29.159 who's doing it more purposefully. They're trying to suck that 960 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.679 energy out of you to kind of benefit themselves. And 961 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.599 I think that there was a level of like energy 962 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.960 siphoning or energy like vamporism going on in that in 963 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:43.719 that place, I suspect purposefully. I don't remember sigils being 964 00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:46.920 a part of it explicitly, but it also wouldn't surprise 965 00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:47.760 me if that were the case. 966 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:50.480 Well did you? 967 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:55.280 I was just going to say, did you have any 968 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.519 other supernatural experiences while you were a part of that 969 00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:01.280 cole other than like the and stuff. 970 00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:06.360 Most of what I directly experienced was stuff that took 971 00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.320 place in like a a dream or dream adjacent space. 972 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:14.159 So and for that reason, you know, again, it's hard 973 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.199 for me because I'm pretty pragmatic and skeptical, but I'm 974 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:19.960 also somebody who like lives in this world and does 975 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:25.519 this for a living. So I, in my brain, I 976 00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:29.119 hold two realities to be true at once. One, the 977 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.679 brain is weird, and when we're asleep or hop asleep, 978 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.480 it does also its a weird shit. But how you're 979 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.400 going to interpret that weird shit that your brain is 980 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.360 doing is really going to depend what your worldview is. 981 00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:42.519 If you're a super like you know, my partner is 982 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:46.239 extremely scientific. He's like, he doesn't really He's fascinated by 983 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.559 mysticism and the occult, but he doesn't really ascribe to it. 984 00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.639 He's a very sort of science based guy. And so 985 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.719 if he has a hypnagogic hallucination of something, he's waken 986 00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:56.559 up from a dream and he sees, you know, a 987 00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:58.360 guy standing in the corner of his room, he's just 988 00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.360 going to be like, my brain's and something weird. If 989 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:04.159 I see that, I'm going to say, my brain's doing 990 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:06.719 something weird. But what is it trying to tell me? 991 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.639 Is there some you know, why is this happening today 992 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:12.199 instead of last week? Is there some message that I'm 993 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:14.159 supposed to be taking from this thing that I'm seeing? 994 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.679 Which I realize I'm rambling now, But to your point, 995 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.159 most of the things that I experienced in the cult 996 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.920 that I would describe as in some way paranormal took 997 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:28.159 place in that kind of sphere. The biggest weirdest thing 998 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:32.519 was that I did have one night an experience where 999 00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:37.000 I had been very frustrated with my lack of direct 1000 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.800 experience all these other people, you know, this now dead 1001 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.039 seventy five year old woman were walking around being like, 1002 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.280 oh yeah, I meet the vampires all the time, and 1003 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:47.079 they send me roses and take me out to lunch. 1004 00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:51.360 And I'm like, bitch, excuse me, Like where's my interaction? 1005 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.800 You know, I'm pissed. I'm like, she looks like a 1006 00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.559 tiny old woman and I'm a hot seventeen year old. 1007 00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:02.639 What's going on over? Because stuff, where's. 1008 00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:04.320 My It's like a mindfuck. I can see that. 1009 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:08.760 Yeah, yeah, so I can go in to bed that 1010 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:11.679 night and I'm like, you know, kind of talking in 1011 00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.960 my head to one of these vampire moderators that I 1012 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:20.239 had a rapport with, and mentally, I'm just like, listen, motherfucker, 1013 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:23.480 Like this has gone on long enough. We have we 1014 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.440 have been talking back and forth for so long, and 1015 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.159 you've been playing these mind games with me, and you've 1016 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.719 been sending me these little dreams like show up, show up, motherfucker. 1017 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:31.800 I'm ready. 1018 00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.639 I won't go crazy. So I full sleep and I 1019 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.880 wake up in the middle of the night as as 1020 00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:40.239 you do sometimes, and I'm rolling over and I stretch 1021 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.880 my legs out a nice, big, like sleepy time stretch. 1022 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.760 And my foot connects with a shape on the end 1023 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:49.360 of my bed like a like a heft, and I 1024 00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:51.079 think a trust is just like one of my cats 1025 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:54.360 or something, and so I kind of opened my eyes blearly, 1026 00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:57.599 I'm kind of feeling around this lungk and I realized 1027 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.519 that it's too big to be a cat. And when 1028 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.320 I open my eyes, I see that it's a figure 1029 00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.880 sitting on the end of my bed. And it was 1030 00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.920 very odd because I don't get sleep paralysis. I definitely 1031 00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:12.679 do have hypnogogic hallucinations, I definitely do have lucid dreams, 1032 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:16.440 but I've never been asleep paralysis girly. So I'm seeing 1033 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.480 this thing sitting at the end of my bed, and cognitively, 1034 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:22.400 I'm realizing, this is what you asked for, this is 1035 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.679 what you wanted to happen, like this is your chance. 1036 00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:30.199 But then my entire body is flooded with terror, just 1037 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:33.320 extreme terror, like what I hear people when people describe 1038 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.280 sleep paralysis, I assume that this is what they're experiencing, 1039 00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:40.039 like it was that level of visceral just like and 1040 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:47.679 then as I'm experiencing this, suddenly it's almost like getting anesthesia. 1041 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.440 I'm suddenly not afraid at all anymore. All the physical 1042 00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:53.599 trappings of anxiety, like your heart rate going up and 1043 00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:56.840 all of that, it just goes. And so again, cognitively, 1044 00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:59.599 I know I'm scared, but I can't access the fear 1045 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:03.639 anymore more either. And as I'm looking at all this happened. This, 1046 00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:08.320 this person is crawling up to bed, toward me, and 1047 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:12.400 my brain is my brain is like, stay awake, stay awake, 1048 00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.360 stay awake, stay awake. You wanted this, don't go sleep, 1049 00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:20.639 sleep And I just fall asleep. And I woke up 1050 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.639 in the morning and my bedside light was on, which 1051 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:25.840 it had been off before I had gone to bed. 1052 00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.400 My bedroom door is open, which it had been closed 1053 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:32.519 before I went to bed, and I was like, well, 1054 00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:35.800 and I think from memory, I logged onto the forum 1055 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:37.960 later that day, the group that I was a part of, 1056 00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:41.280 and spoke to that moderator and he said some cryptic 1057 00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:45.599 shit about you know, you know, how did you sleep 1058 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:50.679 or whatever, you know, which could have been just innocuous coincidence. 1059 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:53.159 But at the time, like you didn't say anything about it. 1060 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:55.639 I think I had. I might have had a conversation 1061 00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:57.880 with him about it, but it was it was one 1062 00:57:57.880 --> 00:57:59.719 of those things too, where you never wanted to like, 1063 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:03.880 you never wanted them to think that you were going crazy, 1064 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:05.920 because if they thought you were going crazy and you 1065 00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:07.639 were like getting in way over your head, you were 1066 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.320 also going to get the boot, like if you were 1067 00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.920 too crazy. So you had to kind of play it gingerly. 1068 00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:14.320 And I think, I, you know, I'm sure we had 1069 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.280 it back and forth about it where he said some 1070 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.400 cryptic shit and I read into it and was secretly panicking, 1071 00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.480 but I was just like, oh, yeah, it's looked fine. 1072 00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:24.159 Why do you ask? 1073 00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:29.000 You know, right, he's basically saying like like cryptic shit 1074 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:33.199 like nice Pj's last night, or right right, I hear. 1075 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.000 You say you're sleep bitch like whatever. 1076 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:36.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1077 00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:39.679 So I just have to say, for me, if I 1078 00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.639 experienced something like that, whether it was related to the 1079 00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.280 form or not, I would perceive that it was and 1080 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:49.440 also it would make me feel like it was more 1081 00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.239 real than ever. I don't know, you know, because you 1082 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:54.719 were awfully young when you were involved with this, and 1083 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.360 I know how I was at that age, and I 1084 00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.480 feel like that would have been proof to me that 1085 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.679 these are this is like real and I'm really involved 1086 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:03.719 with something here. 1087 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:06.719 Yeah, I can see how you got. 1088 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.880 Wrapped in that, because damn is all I got to 1089 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:10.559 say about that. 1090 00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:15.039 Did they try and like encourage you to have because 1091 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:18.079 in the other interview I did, he spoke a lot 1092 00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:23.320 about dreams but also dream sexually connecting, and I would assume, 1093 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:26.840 I mean, like, if they're in this group and they're 1094 00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.559 trying to harness energy, that's like a really good way 1095 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:29.960 to do it. 1096 00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:36.239 As sorry. 1097 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:43.960 The eleant in the room. Yeah, yes, it was. Again, 1098 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.960 it was one of those weird things where that was 1099 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:49.119 a topic that was definitely broached. It was also because 1100 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:53.880 it was also like still in a weird sense role play, 1101 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.480 Like it was still you know, these these people are 1102 00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.079 these characters, and even though we really believe that they 1103 00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:01.880 are these characters. We had a chat room, you know, 1104 01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:03.760 a group chat room, and people would go in and 1105 01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.960 like write little scenes together. We had this whole thing 1106 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:08.159 where there was like a graveyard that we would all 1107 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.199 go hang out in and write these little stories together. 1108 01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.880 And multiple times over the history of my involvement with 1109 01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:18.519 this group, various different members had you know, like cyber 1110 01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:21.840 sax with the moderators and things like that, and there 1111 01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:25.039 definitely were conversations about Oh, I'm going to come visit 1112 01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:27.639 you in your dreams. Nudge n dwink wink. You know, 1113 01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:33.320 never really happened to me. Interestingly, I think I was 1114 01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:36.000 way too crazy pants and they were just like, oh, 1115 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.199 let's not give her any more fuel for that fire. 1116 01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:44.440 She believes enough, she's enough of a loose canon without 1117 01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:46.800 us adding that to the mix. But one of the 1118 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:50.480 things that did occur in the group, which in rent, 1119 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:53.079 I mean it could never happen today, like somebody's parents 1120 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:57.239 would be filing in lawsuit. There were kids who were 1121 01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.280 like thirteen and fourteen who these people were having is 1122 01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:03.679 like cyber sex relationships with you know. 1123 01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:07.480 Yeah, every cult is a sex cult. 1124 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:09.960 It's inevitable. 1125 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:15.800 Yeah, I mean, fourteen was the age right for Joseph too, 1126 01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:20.360 so I mean, but really, honestly, if they're practicing a 1127 01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.920 cult magic, then they're they're going to know that, you know, 1128 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:26.320 especially if it's virginal hate to be weird. 1129 01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:28.679 That's some powerful magic. 1130 01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:34.079 You seen year old vamp sex right. 1131 01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.440 Right, That's that's the that's the business that's going to 1132 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.800 make you young forever in one way or another, more 1133 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:44.360 imprisoned forever. You know, if it were twenty twenty five, right, Yeah. 1134 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:44.960 Well that's why I had wanted to do it. I 1135 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:46.679 wanted to bring it up because I thought I could 1136 01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:49.440 have been part of you know, like JJ was even 1137 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:51.360 trying to this before, like what's what's their means? What 1138 01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:53.880 are they getting out of this? I was wondering if 1139 01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:56.480 there was some sort of Yeah, if there was even 1140 01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.559 just a hate saying it, just like Larper's who are 1141 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:05.760 even just trying to get some online as you send 1142 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:07.239 me a picture because something you're a. 1143 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.599 Yeah, we've been talking about vampire cult here on the 1144 01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:15.880 cult rejects across the United States, Mexico and now some 1145 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.719 Australia stuff. So is this the question we ask every 1146 01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.519 other time is what's the Is this like Australian MK 1147 01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:23.320 ultro situations connected to this. 1148 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:27.239 Because that's what it seems like with the American Mexican versions. 1149 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.760 Well that is true. I forgot that we have covered 1150 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:32.960 those vampire. 1151 01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:36.199 We talked a lot of vampire stuff somewhat unrelated. 1152 01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:38.880 He played a vampire, but he then finds that money 1153 01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:43.000 to finance the sex cult stuff. 1154 01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.559 Yeah, I mean everybody in this group. I was one 1155 01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:53.679 of the only Australian people so everybody else was was 1156 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:59.440 US based. Even kulture thing is interesting. I mean, I 1157 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:03.079 don't believe this I will have yet, but like in 1158 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:06.679 my in my decade plus to like ruminate on all 1159 01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:11.360 the experiences and just let my galaxy brain like ponder possibilities. 1160 01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:15.719 There have been moments where I've been like this psyop, 1161 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:19.039 like was this some sort of like government like CIA 1162 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.920 psychic recruitment technique? And then I'm like, no, you need 1163 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:25.400 to I don't even smoke weed, but if I did, like, 1164 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:27.239 you need to stop, you need to put it down. 1165 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.480 That's a little too kooky. But you know, I mean, 1166 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:33.920 the thing is that the universe and the world and 1167 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:39.119 the Internet for sure are much weirder than we think 1168 01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:40.000 they are. You know. 1169 01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:43.519 But I think you're on the right track because I 1170 01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:46.119 think they set up these forums and stuff not saying 1171 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:47.440 anything about you because. 1172 01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:48.599 Obviously you're a lovely person. 1173 01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:51.079 Oh no, of course, I think you look for levels 1174 01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:55.119 of psychopathy and people. I think the QAnon thing should 1175 01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:57.320 prove that to everyone. 1176 01:03:57.559 --> 01:03:59.599 They weaponize these. 1177 01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:02.440 Forums, They get into people's heads, they get them believe 1178 01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:07.000 in stuff. They see what levels they can push you 1179 01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:11.320 to act out in reality. And so yeah, I mean 1180 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.239 I think you were part of one, but I think 1181 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.559 there's many, many, many diverse, different ones you can become 1182 01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.920 a part of. And they look for like people with 1183 01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:24.679 levels of psychopathy that they can control and manipulate and essentially, 1184 01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:27.119 you know, have them do things. 1185 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:29.800 I think you hit the name. 1186 01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:32.599 I think they just want to study these study human behavior. 1187 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.679 Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I'm glad you said that. 1188 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:39.400 I'm glad you put brought up the QAnon thing though. 1189 01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:42.000 That's why I have a One of my best friends 1190 01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:46.199 is a just got her PhD. And she's working in 1191 01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.880 a research capacity, or was until very recently for reasons, 1192 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:55.119 but she's working on research to do with online extremism 1193 01:04:55.159 --> 01:05:01.039 and you know how groups online can become a little 1194 01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:05.760 dangerous for various reasons. She's been reading school shooter manifestos 1195 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:07.599 for the best better part of five years, and she's 1196 01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:10.519 very tired and very sad, as you can imagine. But 1197 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.440 over the last seat week we were talking about this. 1198 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:15.320 She's known about this part of my history for years, 1199 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:16.719 but she was like, you really need to read this 1200 01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:20.960 book by this woman who just published a nonfiction book 1201 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:23.679 about QAnon. And the book's called The Quiet Damage by 1202 01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:27.960 Jesslin Cook. It's really, really really good. Highly recommend everybody 1203 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:31.760 read it. But it talks about what it looks like 1204 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:35.159 for regular people to get entangled in things like this, 1205 01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:39.199 entangled into communities and into belief systems that do completely 1206 01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:45.639 change their outlook on life, but also have these overatching consequences, 1207 01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.039 not just for their immediate families and their social groups, 1208 01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:53.920 but for you know, possibly the country, the world. And 1209 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:56.480 I think it's I think it's much more common when 1210 01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:58.679 we think QAnon is the example that people point to 1211 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.320 is the real like oh boy, like that's the crazy 1212 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:05.119 the crazies, right, But there's a lot of groups like. 1213 01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:09.239 That, And I was gonna say there was like varying 1214 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.199 degrees of it. There's somebody who's been in our chat 1215 01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:17.039 the last couple of minutes. His name is Drew, and 1216 01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.159 I actually did a show with him before and we 1217 01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:24.119 talked about the Hoover Dam and there was a guy 1218 01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:27.159 who got obsessed with QAnon and he got in his 1219 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.719 car and drove it to the Hoover Dam and was 1220 01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:30.519 going to try to. 1221 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:31.920 Blow it up or something like that. 1222 01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:36.440 I mean, it's it's crazy, it's absolutely crazy. People get 1223 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:39.280 obsessed with these things. But I have to say though, do. 1224 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:41.079 You remember when my Space came out? 1225 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:46.559 All right, that was like the thing to do before Facebook, 1226 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:49.519 and you had like your top five friends or whatever. 1227 01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:52.280 You put a little on your. 1228 01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:55.280 If you took someone out of your top five. 1229 01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:01.039 Yes, I mean I was so to MySpace when it 1230 01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:05.679 first came out, and I didn't catfish. The movie had 1231 01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.960 not come out yet, and there were several times I 1232 01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:13.880 was catfished. And when I look back on it, these profiles, 1233 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:17.079 they'd have like five pictures and they were all like, 1234 01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:22.639 you know, like supermodel edited, like super hot emo guys, 1235 01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.360 because that was like my generation was like emo guys. 1236 01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:31.400 And they all had on like Sleeping with Sirens t 1237 01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:34.119 shirts and they just were like the perfect Like, oh 1238 01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:37.000 my god, I was so obsessed. Easily I could have 1239 01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.639 been lured to the mall, kidnapped, raped, thrown in a van, 1240 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:43.840 dead by the river. It would have been so easy 1241 01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:46.599 because nobody thought about that stuff back then, like oh, 1242 01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:49.239 this can't be a real person. Let me do some 1243 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:53.039 FBI type shit and find out, like you know, and 1244 01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:53.599 look at this. 1245 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:54.840 It just wasn't. 1246 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:59.480 Nowadays, I think everybody's a freaking sci op person. 1247 01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:04.800 I don't even trust family members anymore. But like it's 1248 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:06.400 just right thing back. 1249 01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:09.039 Then, and it was harder to even like even if 1250 01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:12.400 you had thought to yourself this, like, you know, xx 1251 01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:16.960 my wrist slit. XX boy looks a little sketchy. I 1252 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:18.600 don't know if he's real or not. Like, even if 1253 01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.720 that had crossed your mind, the tools to sleuth it 1254 01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:24.399 out were not there. No, it wasn't like it is now. 1255 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.199 You have like, you know, your little AI Facebook up 1256 01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:29.119 sites where you can upload someone's picture and be like, 1257 01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:32.039 exactly where else on the Internet this person has been 1258 01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:34.960 you know, yeah. 1259 01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:37.000 Like a Google image search of that person's profile, pick 1260 01:08:37.119 --> 01:08:40.000 and then they turn up to be like somebody else. 1261 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:42.600 I mean, that's how that catfish lady got away with 1262 01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:45.680 it for so long, because she would take like pictures 1263 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:49.279 from Google or other people's facebooks and like upload them, 1264 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:52.439 and dude, she had a whole network worked out. But 1265 01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:56.960 social media and these forums and stuff and themselves I 1266 01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:01.600 think were very They were created by design, obviously for 1267 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.279 some type of outcome, and I think that they've been 1268 01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:06.199 working perfectly for whatever. 1269 01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:06.800 That is. 1270 01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:15.239 Something I wanted to ask, and I actually mean this seriously. 1271 01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:17.439 I'm just trying to get an that's what's going on 1272 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.960 here or how far does this go besides vampires in 1273 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:23.880 this thing? Did they entertain other things that were maybe 1274 01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:27.479 like you know, fairies and gnomes or like, I'm being serious, 1275 01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:29.520 but no, I take. 1276 01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:33.039 It in real life? Who think gnomes are real? 1277 01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:35.479 Yeah no, no, no, but I'm just you know what 1278 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:37.600 I'm saying, It's fine. 1279 01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:42.600 Yeah, no, not really. I mean I think that there 1280 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:47.279 was some We definitely had, like a paranormal board on 1281 01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:49.479 the forum. I mean for anyone who's listening, and you 1282 01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:51.399 guys will well know, but for anyone who's listening is 1283 01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:53.439 like forums boards why you know, like you had your 1284 01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:56.079 main forum, but then you had your sub boards kind 1285 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:58.560 of like in a discord server for like different stuff. 1286 01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:02.239 And there was definitely a paranormal board where people would 1287 01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:06.000 talk about. Ghosts were a big thing, like ghost spirits, apparitions, 1288 01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:09.319 stuff like that. And I think if anyone ever came 1289 01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:13.039 across like an interesting story about an encounter with something 1290 01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:15.479 else like an alien or a gnome or whatever, I'm 1291 01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:17.439 sure we would talk about it. But it wasn't so 1292 01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.279 much part of the world, you know, what they were 1293 01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:22.920 building and trying to really push. 1294 01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:25.920 On people, so it was like really just strictly. I 1295 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:27.399 guess what I'm trying to get out was like there's 1296 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:30.039 in like other forums for other things that it was 1297 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.479 just strictly really that vampire. 1298 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:35.800 Yeah, it was like vampires all day, every day, okay, 1299 01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:38.560 or mostly all night because you know there's. 1300 01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:46.319 Yeah, Jin said something about a PDF of Buddhism for vampires. 1301 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:47.199 What is that? 1302 01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:48.960 Okay? 1303 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.760 So he was a guy that the guy who runs it, 1304 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:56.159 he was a very famous Typhoni and Oto member, and 1305 01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:59.960 he he did train I don't know how extensively. 1306 01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:04.279 He doesn't say that's usually how it goes, but he did. 1307 01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:09.000 He has some kind of initiation into some basic vagoriana practices. 1308 01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:13.319 So then he created like a whole system of psychic vampiism. 1309 01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:16.319 He called it Buddhism for vampires because, as I said, 1310 01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:20.520 we do discuss like very carnal ground kinds of ideas. 1311 01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:23.720 So yeah, I mean there, but it is it is 1312 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.560 like Celestin Nick we're talking about. It is typhony and Oto, 1313 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:30.039 but then it's also there are vau Griana things there 1314 01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:34.880 are maybe like a kind of that like superficial I'm 1315 01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:37.399 using the word in a more occultist way, but more 1316 01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:41.760 of a satanic you know, flavor, but it's not it's 1317 01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:46.399 not really like crazy Satanism. It's more just the aesthetic 1318 01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.399 maybe like maybe a goth aesthetic. 1319 01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:50.960 So that's really what Buddhism for vampires is. 1320 01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:53.640 But even if you look at the logo for it, 1321 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.279 it is just the seven seven seven thing like the 1322 01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:57.159 Telema star. 1323 01:11:57.760 --> 01:11:58.800 That's all is. 1324 01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:00.680 But they just they make they gave it like a 1325 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:07.720 Buddhist Flairsonian mean, w. 1326 01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:10.439 J Jin will be better at explaining that than me, 1327 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:15.279 because I'm a I'm only a peripheral o geo nowhere. 1328 01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:22.720 Well, I mean, I'm I'm honestly my background is more 1329 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:25.159 like you sluss in a way because like I came 1330 01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:28.520 from a left time path Catholicism kind of like I 1331 01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:32.239 was really into grimoires and like you know, left hand 1332 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:34.720 path saints and all that stuff, as everybody. 1333 01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:36.439 Already like Cyprian and stuff. 1334 01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:40.479 Yeah, like Cyprian, and there's other ones there's like saying 1335 01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:44.239 Lucy obviously, Saint Peter all those yeah, also left time path. 1336 01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:48.520 So it depends, right, But uh so Typhony and Otio. Well, 1337 01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:50.600 I'm familiar with Kenneth Grant, so I'll explain it like this. 1338 01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:54.039 Julia is Kenneth Grant. He basically wrote a series of 1339 01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:58.119 parafictional books, just like I mentioned before, So his books 1340 01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:03.319 are half fiction half oto material, but he takes it 1341 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:06.960 in a Lovecraftian way. Well, there's really two factions. There's 1342 01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:09.479 a love Craftian faction, and you can see this with 1343 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.239 Temple of Set, like I really like Don Webb. Don 1344 01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:16.319 Webb also Temple of Set, but he became a Buddhist afterwards, interestingly, 1345 01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:19.039 but he wrote a lot of these kind of books 1346 01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:24.840 on a Lovecraft and how they were using this idea 1347 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.520 of Lovecraft in their magic, and how Aquino was so 1348 01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:30.359 into it. But then there's this other faction that is 1349 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.239 into Conan, the Barbarian and the Hyperborean stories. 1350 01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:34.880 I do. 1351 01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:40.000 Though there was a kind of factional divide. I just 1352 01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:43.079 find that very interesting. But basically he's talking about like 1353 01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:46.600 abistle gods and the Mavre and he calls it the 1354 01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:49.119 Gray Lodge. I also have a thing called the Gray Lodge. 1355 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:52.680 It's not related, but it is interesting that we both 1356 01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:56.920 have the same title. But basically he's he's bringing these 1357 01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:01.359 ideas that not necessarily come from mythology, are not necessarily 1358 01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:04.359 come from excuse me, like a religious cosmology, but he's 1359 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:09.560 drawing from this kind of fictional mythology that's contemporary, and 1360 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:15.039 they're bringing into actual magical ideas not just the facts 1361 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:20.479 of the fiction, but they're actually applying like more technical ideas, 1362 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:23.239 and then they're slotting in the names. 1363 01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:26.520 The faces, the aesthetic, it's all of it. 1364 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:30.920 And so could you do that with anything though? Could 1365 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:34.399 you do that with like vampires and put them in there? Yeah? 1366 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:37.520 Yes, okay, that's what pass magicians magic. 1367 01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:40.359 I was just gonna say, chass magic with typhony and 1368 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.039 sex magic to the goddess. 1369 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:46.079 That's another reason why I asked about the sigils as well, 1370 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.760 and there are I'm just saying a lot of chas 1371 01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:51.680 magicians and love sigils. So that's why I was asking 1372 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:52.640 if people are using something. 1373 01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:57.680 Yeah, j wealth of knowledge. 1374 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:01.800 I love you for sure always, Jim, thank you. 1375 01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:04.840 That was an awesome and awesome explanation. I've always been 1376 01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:07.520 fascinated by the Tifoni and Oto. I mean, I love lovecraft, 1377 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:11.279 and even though I have not now and will not 1378 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:14.239 ever join the Oto in any capacity for personal reasons, 1379 01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:20.880 I am fascinated, you know by that. I think there's 1380 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:24.760 it's such rich fodder like stories are rich fodder, right, 1381 01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:30.439 especially if you get a rich mythology like love crafty 1382 01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.479 and mythology or I mean, I am only possibly familiar 1383 01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:35.960 with Conan the Barbarian, but you're kind of you're taking 1384 01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:38.920 an intellectual property or a world or a mythology that 1385 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:43.399 already has all the interlocking parts, but also an engine 1386 01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:46.199 of people who have fed into it, even though most 1387 01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:49.000 people are not reading HP. Love Crofts work and being like, oh, 1388 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:52.920 that's all definitely real. It's it's energy behind it from 1389 01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:55.279 people for you know, well not hundreds of years, but 1390 01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:58.159 people for like a very long time reading and investing 1391 01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:02.119 and being interested, and that that's energy. That's energy that 1392 01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:04.039 they was a little battery. 1393 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:09.199 They made a show about it, right, my am. I 1394 01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:10.920 the only one who saw that. It was like HB. 1395 01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:12.000 Love Craft Show. 1396 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:13.920 County. 1397 01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:15.479 I didn't watch it, but I heard it was. 1398 01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:21.199 Oh yeah, I saw the first season and it's everything 1399 01:16:21.279 --> 01:16:25.239 you would expect it to be. But yeah, no, this stuff, 1400 01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:29.000 this stuff really interests me because you know, I talk 1401 01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:31.880 a lot about occultism and stuff like that, but I 1402 01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:34.079 don't I don't know the ins and outs of it, 1403 01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:38.359 like you know, Gin or even Celeste or Nick. I 1404 01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:44.079 just I know that peripheral. If I want to know 1405 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:47.199 something about the process church, I'll ask you aj. 1406 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:50.319 That I do know. 1407 01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:52.039 There you go, I can tell I can help you 1408 01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:54.000 with that that as well. But one thing I did 1409 01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:56.039 know about the Typhony and Oto is they have further 1410 01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:58.920 offshoots that are these werewolf and vampire orders. 1411 01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.960 I believe interesting. Interesting. 1412 01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:05.000 One thing I want to I just want to deny 1413 01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:08.119 any rumors that I'm associated with any of this. I 1414 01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.680 really come from it from a chaos magic perspective. That's 1415 01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.760 really my interest, Julia, is that I like the the 1416 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:16.640 lifting of frameworks like that. You can take just the 1417 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:20.680 magic framework and you can sort of apply ideas to it, 1418 01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:23.760 but I take it all conceptual. So that's a true 1419 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:26.840 chaos magic. Maybe you could say true chaos magician. You 1420 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:29.399 just take it comes completely in your mind. And so 1421 01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:33.119 Buddhism makes it's like the next logical step if you're 1422 01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:33.960 able to do that. 1423 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:37.720 Whereas some people they require all this. 1424 01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:41.680 I Nick will laugh, but I call it like the 1425 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:46.239 ceremonial LARPing, like they you know, they require the ren fare. 1426 01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:48.479 I'm not saying that it's I'm not saying that you 1427 01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:50.560 don't burn candles and do all that stuff that can 1428 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:53.079 be useful for sure. But I'm just saying if you 1429 01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:58.000 need like a whole ritual like thing, then yeah, maybe 1430 01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:00.199 you would be more interested in like Typhony and don't 1431 01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:01.800 you I'm just interested in the ideas. 1432 01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:06.600 The ritualism interests me because I remember one time I 1433 01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:08.800 was talking to Nick and he made me laugh my 1434 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:12.319 fucking ass off because he said he was doing something 1435 01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:15.520 in his bedroom with swinging some incense or doing something 1436 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:16.640 and his. 1437 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:18.199 Wife walked in and was like, what are you doing 1438 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:21.079 the Catholic rise. 1439 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:26.760 Yeah, yeah, literally, it's the Catholicism has a lot of 1440 01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:28.119 that ritualism in it. 1441 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:30.159 So it just it interests me about that. 1442 01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:32.840 So one thing I did want to mention about the 1443 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:38.000 Typhonian order. If you're like into like the Limaic magic 1444 01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:41.399 or even Golden Down or a lot of like I 1445 01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:43.439 would even assume maybe even the Temple is set, I 1446 01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:46.840 don't you know stuff like that. At least with Alma, 1447 01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:52.640 you're going to be practicing like the Hexagram ritual, in 1448 01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:55.520 the Pentagram ritual probably for a long time. You know, 1449 01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:57.079 that's going to be like, you know, something that you 1450 01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.960 were used to doing constantly and in the hexagram ritual. 1451 01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:04.359 You use the LVX formula and in there at some 1452 01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:10.880 point you acknowledge purfos in Typhon. And the weird thing 1453 01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:14.359 is that the whole LVX formula is Egyptian. That's why 1454 01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:16.000 he uses a pofos. But then twas is in the 1455 01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:20.239 Greek Pophus having Typhon, you know, and that's kind of 1456 01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:21.880 like the rising beast in my opinion. You know, that's 1457 01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:24.359 where I think it's symbolizing you. You even go like 1458 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:26.520 that when you when you acknowledge a profis in Typhon. 1459 01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:30.800 So I have wondered if I do think that when 1460 01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:33.560 it comes to the typhony in order, maybe at the 1461 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:35.439 beginning it was more for people that he thought that 1462 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:40.039 might have like had experienced maybe like actual magical experiences 1463 01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:44.119 or the abyss. I could be wrong, But another reason 1464 01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:46.079 why I do think that might be possible is because 1465 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:47.720 when it first started, I don't know if it's still 1466 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:51.840 like this. He took the same like pretty much adopted 1467 01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:56.880 the same oto initiations or degrees. But you do not 1468 01:19:57.000 --> 01:19:58.880 have to start off at the first if you if 1469 01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:02.600 he didn't think you belonged it. So now if you 1470 01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:05.199 did have a magical experience, and in my opinion, you 1471 01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:07.039 did cross the abyss. You shouldn't be coming in starting 1472 01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:09.680 a fucking first, you should be coming in where you belong. 1473 01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:12.000 So I'm wondering if that is just more proof of 1474 01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:14.960 why I do think that that might be the difference 1475 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.479 between that order as well, Like I don't think. I 1476 01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:20.319 think maybe at exception, he wasn't so much trying to 1477 01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:23.319 have people come there that I don't know what the 1478 01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:23.880 fuck they're doing. 1479 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:28.600 That makes sense, Like newbies. 1480 01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:30.479 Yeah, are people who don't actually know what magic. 1481 01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:37.199 Didn't want? 1482 01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:40.319 Doesn't it take a while to really understand what it is? 1483 01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:41.319 Because I mean. 1484 01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:46.039 There's so many Actually I have a question for use list, 1485 01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:49.319 and you're the first witch I've ever met, So don't 1486 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:49.920 judge me. 1487 01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:54.439 I did being a part of this cult? Did it 1488 01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:56.239 lead you into those interests? 1489 01:20:56.640 --> 01:20:59.479 Like did it lead you down the thought of like 1490 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.079 I want to do witchery stuff? 1491 01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:05.279 You know? Not? 1492 01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:10.159 Really? I have a weird like story with how that 1493 01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:12.880 part of my life like kicked off And it sounds 1494 01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:15.479 like very cringe almost to tell it, but like literally, 1495 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.000 when I was like six and seven years old, I 1496 01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:21.760 was like pretending to be a fortune teller, like in 1497 01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:24.399 my like little like hut in the garden, and like 1498 01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:28.000 I was just always extremely drawn to that stuff, reading 1499 01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:30.039 a lot of like kids books, but reading books about 1500 01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:32.479 witches and stuff when I was like very little. So 1501 01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:34.600 I don't know where that comes from for me. I 1502 01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:37.319 mean a lot of kids have spooky interests, but for me, 1503 01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:40.399 it really was like lifelong, and it just evolved over 1504 01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:45.199 time into researching and learning about more serious stuff, and 1505 01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:48.359 beginning when I was wickaned, primarily when I was a 1506 01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:51.640 teenager because much like fan pass By having a boom, 1507 01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:54.239 so we're witches because of the craft. 1508 01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:55.119 And stuff I was gonna see. 1509 01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:58.439 I wonder did those two things kind of like ran together, 1510 01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:02.079 Like maybe the in the cult kind of fueled your 1511 01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:03.119 other interests. 1512 01:22:03.479 --> 01:22:07.560 It definitely few It definitely like fueled it to some 1513 01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:11.680 degree it existed beforehand, but it definitely kind of it 1514 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:13.600 introduced me to a lot of occult topics that I 1515 01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:17.039 probably wouldn't have found otherwise until much later, stuff like 1516 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:19.760 to Betan Buddhism and the mysticism into Betan Buddhism. I mean, 1517 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:23.560 I wouldn't probably have encountered that on my own until 1518 01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:25.760 much much later if I hadn't been in the cult. 1519 01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:29.399 So it springboarded me into more serious occultism at like 1520 01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:32.520 a young age. But I think I would always have 1521 01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:35.680 found that to be like a path that I would 1522 01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:38.319 have gone down. It just it took it in a 1523 01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:42.319 in an interesting direction at an earlier age, I think. 1524 01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:44.960 And you do it professionally, you said, for like the 1525 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:46.479 last seven or eight years. 1526 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:51.119 Yeah. So I have done like magic and psychic stuff 1527 01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:53.960 for work since I was about nineteen, but very like 1528 01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:57.800 part time. I started as an online psychic as a 1529 01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:00.439 part time job when I was about nineteen, from a 1530 01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:03.840 cye called Cassamba, which still exists. I do not work 1531 01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:06.159 for them anymore because they would not pay me enough. 1532 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:10.359 But I did that, you know, as a side hustle 1533 01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:15.319 all through college, and you know, continued to do such 1534 01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:17.279 things as a side hustle for a long time. And 1535 01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:23.079 then in about twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, maybe I was 1536 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:26.720 very very unhappy in my marketing job, my full time 1537 01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:30.399 marketing job for a retro clothing company, and I kind 1538 01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:33.760 of rage quit to just do it full time. I 1539 01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:35.880 worked for a while out in Jackson Square in the 1540 01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:38.319 French Quarter as that one of the little Terror readers 1541 01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:40.840 set up at a lot cool going out there. It 1542 01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:43.920 was cool except people got stabbed a lot, and that 1543 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:44.720 wasn't so cool. 1544 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:47.159 So yeah, I had no shit, you know. 1545 01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:51.560 I was not a fan of that. So after a 1546 01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:53.840 little while out there, I got a job at some 1547 01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:56.319 of the little stores in the French Quarter, just reading 1548 01:23:56.359 --> 01:23:59.239 cards and stuff, and worked for a while at the 1549 01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:01.880 vampire broutine in the French Quarter, which is another interesting 1550 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:05.560 kind of like intersection of vampires coming back into the story. 1551 01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:08.520 And then I got my own store in the French 1552 01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:10.600 Quarter in twenty twenty, Like right at the beginning of 1553 01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:13.760 twenty twenty, I signed this lease on my own storefront, 1554 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:17.520 which you know, in Tara Reader New Orleans terms, is 1555 01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:19.640 like you've hit the big, the big big, if you're 1556 01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:22.359 getting your own shop, you know. So I super stroked 1557 01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:25.239 about that. I was in business with a friend of mine. 1558 01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:28.520 We decorated the whole place, super excited, and then COVID 1559 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:33.319 lockdowns happened. I was gonna say yeah, and so for 1560 01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:35.520 me though, actually it was a lifesaver because I actually 1561 01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:37.720 hate talking to people face to face. Like I'm a 1562 01:24:37.800 --> 01:24:41.479 very low energy person as far as like being one 1563 01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:44.039 on one in person with people. I don't I love 1564 01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:47.239 the Internet. I love talking online and phone and all 1565 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:49.720 of that, but it drains me very quickly having to 1566 01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:54.479 be like face time with people face. So I was 1567 01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:58.359 already kind of almost wishing I hadn't signed this lease 1568 01:24:58.359 --> 01:24:59.840 because I was like, oh God, am I going to 1569 01:24:59.920 --> 01:25:01.920 do those for sixty hours a week for like the 1570 01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:03.520 rest of my life? Just go down to the French 1571 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.319 Quarter and have to find parking and deal with people? 1572 01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:09.640 Oh uh? And then yeah, the lockdown's happened. I was 1573 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:11.840 very lucky. The person I was renting from said that 1574 01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:13.479 it was cool, we would just cancel the lease, and 1575 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:16.680 I pivoted everything online. And so for the past five 1576 01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:19.600 years full time, I've just been I do spell work 1577 01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:23.640 for people. I do readings, I do truants like mediumship 1578 01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:25.199 sessions and stuff like that. 1579 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:27.960 What is spell What's spell work? 1580 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:32.199 Pretty much what it sounds like. So you know, if 1581 01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:36.640 you're if you're a magical practitioner or an occultist, you know, uh, 1582 01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:38.560 they're going to people are going to call it different things, 1583 01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:41.399 depending on what they practice and what their path is. 1584 01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:46.079 More ceremonial magicians are probably going to call it rituals 1585 01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:49.000 rather than spell work, which sounds kind of like Shinzy. 1586 01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:50.880 You know, we can do a little spell work with 1587 01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:55.359 our little jars and our little candles. But but yeah, 1588 01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:59.239 it's it's essentially it's a ritual or a spell that 1589 01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:03.560 is done with various different materials in order to impact 1590 01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:08.680 or affect a desired outcome. And so if you learn 1591 01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:13.239 witchcraft or magic, or you know, you've become initiated into 1592 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:15.760 any of the initiatory traditions, you're going to learn how 1593 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:18.960 to do it in a certain way. In my opinion, 1594 01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:22.279 anyone can learn. As Nick was saying earlier, I don't 1595 01:26:22.279 --> 01:26:24.960 think that means everybody on the planet is going to 1596 01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:27.800 experience real magic, because that does take years of study 1597 01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:31.800 and sometimes it just takes circumstance and kismet whether or 1598 01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:34.039 not you're going to have that experience or not. But 1599 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:36.600 in theory, you don't have to be special in any 1600 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:38.680 way to learn how to do magic. Anyone can learn 1601 01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:41.319 how to do magic. However, for my clients, a lot 1602 01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:44.079 of them don't want to do that. They would rather 1603 01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:46.680 just pay somebody else to do it, and so I 1604 01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:48.000 do it for them. 1605 01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:48.600 Yeah. 1606 01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:51.720 Interesting, that's so interesting. Have you ever had anybody be 1607 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:56.399 like I want this person dead or do something bad 1608 01:26:56.479 --> 01:26:57.279 to this person. 1609 01:26:57.680 --> 01:27:04.239 Yeah, I'm not serious. Oh yeah, it happens. 1610 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:07.840 What's the curse environment situation here, for example? What's your 1611 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:09.399 opinion of haunted dolls? 1612 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:10.000 Curses? 1613 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:13.600 Oh, I think haunted dolls exist, but I have a 1614 01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:17.960 I guess, a quirky opinion on haunted dolls. I think exists. 1615 01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:20.439 I don't know if anyone here has read the work 1616 01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:22.920 of Oh my god, what is her name? I'm going 1617 01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:25.359 to forget now. She wrote the Exorcists Handbook. Her name 1618 01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:30.640 is Josephine something, but I'm now McCarthy. 1619 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:30.960 Like real stuff. 1620 01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:35.760 Yeah, Josephine McCarthy is a occultist from the UK. She's 1621 01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:40.800 fascinating lady, and she really knows her shit. And she 1622 01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:43.239 worked as a as a straight up exorcist, not in 1623 01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:45.720 the Catholic tradition, She's not Catholic, but she worked as 1624 01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:48.560 like an exorcist for years and years and years. And 1625 01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:51.800 she has an interesting theory about like haunted objects, haunted dolls. 1626 01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:55.399 She says that in her experience professionally over like thirty 1627 01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:59.119 plus years of doing exorcisms, anything with a face is 1628 01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:01.199 something that is hear, it is going. 1629 01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:03.840 Why does that give me the fucking creeps. 1630 01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:07.000 Oh my god, I was hoping you're gonna say that 1631 01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:08.239 they don't exist, That's what I was hoping. 1632 01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:13.159 I'm sorry. No, I think I've never met one personally, 1633 01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:14.279 but I do think they're real. 1634 01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:17.239 Like Annabelle, I've met a doll? 1635 01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:20.239 Really you did? Ye? 1636 01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:21.039 Oh? 1637 01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:21.520 Yeah? 1638 01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.199 Is that that's Chucky West? 1639 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:27.760 Yeah, down down in the Key West, in Key West. 1640 01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:28.720 I've seen him too. 1641 01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:31.840 Yeah, they're they're dangerous folks down there. You don't put 1642 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:34.000 a hanted doll in a civil war for it, or 1643 01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:36.640 some historian buff such as myself might stumble across it. 1644 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:39.560 No bad photograph. We didn't get cursed for about ten 1645 01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:44.279 or twelve years, did you really? Yeah? 1646 01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.640 Yeah, that can happened. 1647 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:49.119 I do, and I think you know, yeah. 1648 01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:53.119 Depending on your worldview, right, spirits are everywhere you know, 1649 01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:56.520 They're not They're not special and only hiding in these 1650 01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:00.640 like very specific areas, fing you up. Spirits are all 1651 01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:02.680 over the place. I last night, so I lived with 1652 01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:07.000 another occultist. My my roommate is former Mormon now an occultist. 1653 01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:07.720 Lovely guy. 1654 01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:12.159 Oh so transition from one transition. 1655 01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:17.239 To he's amazing. But I was when I came out 1656 01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:19.319 of my room last night into the kitchen. I was 1657 01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:21.840 just going to get water or something, and he's in 1658 01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:23.600 the kitchen also when he pulls me aside and he 1659 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.760 was like, I just need to tell you that. When 1660 01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:29.439 I was coming in here earlier, I glanced into the 1661 01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:32.560 living room and I thought I saw you sitting in 1662 01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:35.560 a chair with your hand, with your hands over your eyes. 1663 01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:39.079 And then I looked again and realized it wasn't you. 1664 01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:41.960 I just think you should know. And I said, yeah, okay, 1665 01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:46.399 that's good intel to have. I said, how did it feel? 1666 01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:49.680 He said wet? I said wet. He was like, it 1667 01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:52.520 felt wet. I didn't like it. I was like, okay, 1668 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:54.520 that's not great. I said, well, what are you going? 1669 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:55.640 What are we going to do about this? You know, 1670 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:58.960 we're instantly in occult roommate problem solving mode, because neither 1671 01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:01.000 one of us has time for that. We're not really scared. 1672 01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:05.039 We're just like, h no. And so he goes and 1673 01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:08.520 gets some of his his his cleansing cologne and sprints 1674 01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:10.479 is it over the chair in the living room. And 1675 01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:12.239 I'm trying to think to myself, like this is spirit. 1676 01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:14.199 I've lived in this house for almost eight years and 1677 01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:18.560 I don't really experience any you know, problematic spirit activity 1678 01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:21.399 for the most part, So what could this be? And 1679 01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:22.840 then I said, I said to my room and I 1680 01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:25.319 was like, you know, it's interesting you say wet. I said, 1681 01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:27.920 when I first moved in here, I did distinctly get 1682 01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:31.279 the impression that somebody had died in the bathtub in 1683 01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:34.640 like the in the bathroom in the hallway. And he 1684 01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:36.800 was like, oh shit, And I said, yeah, I said, 1685 01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:38.760 but I've never had any problem with that spirit, Like 1686 01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:41.199 I just said to her. You know, I'm a little crazy, 1687 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:43.159 so if I think there's a spirit around, I'll be like, Hi, 1688 01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:46.920 I need to do things. Please don't disrupt my life. Sorry, 1689 01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:49.399 I said, yeah, me and that spirit are cool, Like, 1690 01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:52.520 I don't think it would be causing problems. And then 1691 01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:55.319 I remembered that the night before I had taken a 1692 01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:58.199 bath in that bathroom where this woman I think drowned, 1693 01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:00.960 and I had forgotten to in the bathtub, like I 1694 01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:02.520 had been on the phone with someone and I didn't 1695 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:03.760 want them to know I was in the bath so 1696 01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:05.239 like I got out of the bath and just like 1697 01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:07.119 kept the stopper in so I didn't have the water 1698 01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:09.880 gurgling sound. And I had left the bath full for 1699 01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:12.439 the entire day, and I was like, Oh, that's it. 1700 01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:20.399 The spirit's pissed like this, she. 1701 01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:21.520 Cut out, she cut out. 1702 01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:24.800 Yeah, yeah, she did say that she was having a 1703 01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:27.239 bad weather there so that this might have happened. 1704 01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:32.079 It's the magic, the spirit, it's. 1705 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:38.199 The water bathtub portal sucked her back in because I'm 1706 01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:43.119 not kidding the spirit's. 1707 01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:43.880 I wanted to ask more questions about Josephin McCarthy. 1708 01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:52.399 Another question, Come yeah, JJ, are you really cursed? 1709 01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:53.880 Yeah? 1710 01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:57.359 I run, I read and Nick I read him a 1711 01:31:57.399 --> 01:31:59.840 letter a couple of couple of months ago. Robert the 1712 01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:04.000 oh that is wrote him a letter. Let me tell you, Julie, 1713 01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:06.680 I can feel I can feel a long, long discussion 1714 01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:08.600 in the last twelve or so years have been cursed 1715 01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:09.880 by that damn Robert the Doll. 1716 01:32:10.279 --> 01:32:12.640 They were talking about it on the Rejects last year. 1717 01:32:13.159 --> 01:32:16.000 It or I'm out, I'm out, I'm leaving this place. 1718 01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:17.520 I'm not even going to one near this thing. And 1719 01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:18.880 you're talking what you do to it? 1720 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:20.479 You had to make it mad. 1721 01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:20.840 Did you? 1722 01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:23.239 I took a photograph with it without asking him. Apparently 1723 01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:25.680 you got to ask him first. And at the time 1724 01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:27.840 I was like, Yeah, that's ridiculous. I'm not I'm going 1725 01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:29.600 to ask this a stupid doll. 1726 01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:34.199 I can take a photograph, I hear what well, looking now, JJ, 1727 01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:38.680 looking out. 1728 01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:38.680 Like this thing might be onto something here. 1729 01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:44.119 I might be cursed you before you took the picture, but. 1730 01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:44.880 I'm not gonna lie to you. 1731 01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:47.840 So like every year around it like December first, about 1732 01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:50.199 every year, I'd start considering. After about year five or so, 1733 01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:52.600 I'd start considering, damn it, did that doll curse me? 1734 01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:53.000 You know? 1735 01:32:53.079 --> 01:32:54.600 And then around the year twelve, I was like, I'm 1736 01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:56.680 gonna finally write that doll letter and say I'm sorry, 1737 01:32:57.079 --> 01:32:57.960 I'm sorry. 1738 01:32:58.680 --> 01:32:59.880 Did you really Jake? 1739 01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:03.920 Yeah, I hope, but imagine how that went. 1740 01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:05.119 I don't think. 1741 01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:07.840 Well, I hope it hasn't gone well since then. I'm 1742 01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:09.239 to be honest with you, it's. 1743 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.319 Uh, you're gonna have to go back there. 1744 01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:13.199 Yeah, face to face apology. 1745 01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:16.439 We need to find the current Darrow who can deal 1746 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:18.479 with it for you, like in person. 1747 01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:18.960 That's what's up. 1748 01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:22.039 Then you need to go to like the doll and 1749 01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:24.159 you have to like give him like a seven day. 1750 01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:24.880 Candle or something. 1751 01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:25.800 The homage it. 1752 01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:27.279 Yeah, I'm still. 1753 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:28.880 Writ in the Chamber of commerce to tell them they're 1754 01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:31.560 irresponsible for putting a haunted Kerstell out in public like 1755 01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:32.800 that flagrantly. 1756 01:33:33.399 --> 01:33:37.319 I mean, you need an exorcism, you need like you need, 1757 01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:40.560 like the power of Christ compels you like that. 1758 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:44.199 I think we should have Jonathan do it from the cults. 1759 01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:46.359 Let him know, Lord have mercy. 1760 01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:51.439 Though. 1761 01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:55.319 You need to get tied down, strayed with p sue it, 1762 01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:56.960 do all of it. 1763 01:33:57.439 --> 01:33:58.960 You have to get naked, because half the time they 1764 01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:00.560 get naked they rip their close off. 1765 01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:00.920 You know. 1766 01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:05.520 Sure, yeah, piss and ship everywhere or else desertate. 1767 01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:08.479 I'm not sure what this solation is, but I'm not 1768 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:10.399 the first person to be cursed by Robert the doll. 1769 01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:12.920 The whole room that he sits in down there at 1770 01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:15.560 this old Civil War fort where he's they've been into 1771 01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:18.319 a museum of Robert for some reason. It sits on 1772 01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:18.960 a mound by. 1773 01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:21.560 The way to curse people, by the way to curse. 1774 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:25.720 Exactly exactly intentionally. There's flagrant irresponsibles. 1775 01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:30.520 They put him on what's that, They put him on 1776 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:32.000 a mound the. 1777 01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:34.239 Well the Civil War fort was built on top of 1778 01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:37.359 the mound. He's inside the Civil Wars ah. 1779 01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:40.920 She's back, Oh, gosh, your bag. 1780 01:34:42.760 --> 01:34:43.439 God damn it. 1781 01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:45.600 I had at least three more. 1782 01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:50.520 We were talking about ghosts while you were gone to 1783 01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:54.520 I definitely say it's because you left the water in 1784 01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:58.279 the tub and that's a portal and you might have 1785 01:34:58.680 --> 01:34:59.880 you know, you know. 1786 01:35:01.119 --> 01:35:02.920 One thing I summoned it? 1787 01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:06.239 Can you hear c lest I can hear you? 1788 01:35:06.279 --> 01:35:06.880 Can you hear me? 1789 01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:08.159 Yes? Yes, you sound great? 1790 01:35:08.359 --> 01:35:10.119 Okay, sorry about that. 1791 01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:10.760 That was weird. 1792 01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:13.479 Don't talk shit about gross. I guess this lady was 1793 01:35:13.479 --> 01:35:15.159 pissed at me and she was like, let's shut the 1794 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:18.800 whole shit down, like stop saying words about me. 1795 01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:24.560 Denied. One thing I did want to ask you about. Uh, 1796 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:27.840 you mentioned josephin McCarthy. Did you know about her her 1797 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:28.600 magical order? 1798 01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:32.159 I heard about it. I don't know a ton about it, 1799 01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:33.000 but I did hear about it. 1800 01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:36.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually, uh, you know, I do 1801 01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:38.239 you know I've talked about before. I think I've even 1802 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:40.800 mentioned it once or twice, But you know, I have 1803 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.000 talked about tons of times that I was in the 1804 01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:46.199 OTO and I had stopped going for a bit before 1805 01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:48.560 COVID happened, and then I started joining in on the 1806 01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:51.439 zoom things. And when I had stopped going for probably 1807 01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:54.640 about like sixty eight months. I was actually using that 1808 01:35:54.760 --> 01:35:57.840 system instead. Oh really, Yeah, so when you said that was. 1809 01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:01.119 Like, oh did you find it? You found it to 1810 01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:03.000 be a good workable system. 1811 01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:05.439 I think. So it's a little bit more personal. You're 1812 01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:09.199 not really from what I as far as I got, 1813 01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:12.560 you're not really working with it's hard to explain, like 1814 01:36:12.680 --> 01:36:15.960 Pantheon's a gods. It's actually just very personal stuff. So 1815 01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:19.000 that's interesting. I mean, you are doing ritual work, but 1816 01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:22.560 it's not like I don't remember it wasn't It's it's different. 1817 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:23.560 It's definitely different. 1818 01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:26.359 Yeah. I like her approach a lot. I think she's 1819 01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:29.760 a fascinating person. And if you know, if I'm sure 1820 01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:31.920 you have, but if if anyone ever listens to her talk, 1821 01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:35.720 you know, on podcasts or whatever, she's just a wonderful 1822 01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:38.199 breath of fresh air in the occult world. Because she's 1823 01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:40.560 a you know, a slight not older woman, but she's 1824 01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:43.960 you know, I think in her fifties, I believe. And 1825 01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:47.399 she's got this like strong Northern England accent. She's just 1826 01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:49.359 like very mad, she's very matter of fact. 1827 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:50.880 She's like shoots from the hip. 1828 01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:52.600 Oh you know, yeah, you know. 1829 01:36:52.880 --> 01:36:56.720 Yeah, well, you know one thing she did say that 1830 01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:59.319 did kind of actually help nudge me out of the 1831 01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:02.000 OTO and sense too. Uh. And it's not that like 1832 01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:04.720 I'm promoting her stuff, because again I used, you know, 1833 01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:07.399 very did very little. She even says, to go through 1834 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:09.880 the whole course expect I think seventeenth to twenty years. 1835 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:13.920 So obviously I didn't do much. But uh, she the 1836 01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:16.239 way she had put it, and it really dawned on me, 1837 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:18.520 like really good when she said this. One time, I 1838 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:21.000 was listening to a podcast that she did, and she 1839 01:37:21.079 --> 01:37:23.239 did say that when you go to these orders, they said, 1840 01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:26.920 all you're gonna do is get their their shade of magic. 1841 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:30.880 She says. Let's say the outlet is actual magic, and well, 1842 01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:33.279 you're tapping into that, and then it comes to that 1843 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:36.039 light bulb. She says, once like the OTO is like 1844 01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:39.079 throwing that red shade on top of it. That's the OTO. 1845 01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:41.520 Then like let's say the gold Ones the Golden don 1846 01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:44.159 you know what I'm saying, You're not actually really tapping 1847 01:37:44.199 --> 01:37:46.600 into the source, you're just learning to tap into their 1848 01:37:46.680 --> 01:37:47.439 shade of magic. 1849 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:49.520 She says, I think it's. 1850 01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:51.359 Much better for you to just go to the source. 1851 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:53.119 And she said, that's what she. 1852 01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:54.479 Thought sties for. 1853 01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:56.439 That's really profound out. 1854 01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:58.359 Yeah, And when I heard that, I was like, that's interesting, 1855 01:37:58.439 --> 01:37:59.920 I said, because I could see what you know I 1856 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:03.800 have because there is a specific idea with the O 1857 01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:06.439 t O or other orders, they have their own pantheons 1858 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:09.359 and their own like ideas are almost religious text. 1859 01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:09.960 Right. 1860 01:38:11.399 --> 01:38:15.319 Does this lady do distant exorcisms? Because I think JJ 1861 01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:17.119 needs one. 1862 01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:21.600 I think she's retired now. Unfortunately, I think. 1863 01:38:21.479 --> 01:38:22.840 I wrote about you, Celeste. 1864 01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:26.520 Do you do any distant exorcisms? 1865 01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:29.560 Most of the magic I do for clients is distance. 1866 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:37.359 So yeah, you know, Robert, Robert the Dall Exorcist, you know, 1867 01:38:37.479 --> 01:38:39.680 you know some some players can help me out. I 1868 01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:41.199 feel like we could. I feel like we could figure 1869 01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:43.720 something out. Robert the Doll still bothering you all these 1870 01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:44.279 years later. 1871 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:47.119 You wouldn't believe. You wouldn't believe the tales of I 1872 01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:48.319 told you he would. 1873 01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:51.079 He's being totally serious. 1874 01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:55.439 Nick nixt heard of a portion of what I've gone 1875 01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:57.000 through over the last twelve or so. 1876 01:38:57.239 --> 01:38:58.600 I was even going to say, just at the time 1877 01:38:58.640 --> 01:39:01.479 that I've known him, I could probably say he's probably. 1878 01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:06.920 Your curse. He needs it. 1879 01:39:09.039 --> 01:39:10.800 Yeah, I got to hook him up with that Saint 1880 01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:12.119 Cyprian stuff. 1881 01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:16.600 So yeah, there you go, on the case, we'll do it. 1882 01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:19.319 So I have a question for a celest I mean, 1883 01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:22.000 obviously I don't I don't deal in any of this stuff. 1884 01:39:22.039 --> 01:39:26.159 But in your opinion, you know, magic is real, magic works, 1885 01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:29.479 but not everybody knows what they're doing. 1886 01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:32.159 Oh yeah, yep, that's okay. 1887 01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:37.600 Well, yeah, certain magic like we've talked about before, solomonic 1888 01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:39.960 magic and stuff you got. You can't be messing around 1889 01:39:40.319 --> 01:39:43.399 like you will, yeah, talk about. 1890 01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:46.520 Because because it's very because it is very real, and 1891 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:51.560 I think, like obviously everybody's going to have their own 1892 01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:54.479 take on that and their own experiences. And like I said, 1893 01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:57.640 my my own partner is extremely supportive of what I 1894 01:39:57.680 --> 01:39:59.760 do and interested and wants to hear about it. But 1895 01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:02.880 like he has such a I don't want to call 1896 01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:04.680 it a black and white worldview because that's not fair, 1897 01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:08.479 but it is such a pragmatic worldview that what interests 1898 01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.720 him is data. He's like a big data science guy, 1899 01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:13.399 and that's mysticism to him is like data and facts 1900 01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:17.000 and numbers. Stuff that flies over my head, right, Like 1901 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:20.760 I don't understand name that. Yeah, that he's magic. 1902 01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:25.640 Johnny says that numbers are God's language, so exactly. 1903 01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:28.560 Exactly, So, you know, my partner and we meet in 1904 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:31.319 the middle because he is, whether he wants to admit 1905 01:40:31.359 --> 01:40:33.239 it or not, a very mystical person. He's just coming 1906 01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:35.479 at it from this this different angle. But all of 1907 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:41.199 this to say the question of like, is magic real? 1908 01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:44.600 I mean it's very real to me. And I've seen 1909 01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:49.199 things happen because of magic and as a result of 1910 01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:52.920 magic that I really can't explain otherwise. And I think, 1911 01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:56.319 but I think that some people who engage in the 1912 01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:59.119 occult or dabble I hate to use that word because 1913 01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:01.199 it feels a bit dismissed, but like dabble in witchcraft 1914 01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:03.600 or debt. You know people who see rituals on the 1915 01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:05.800 internet and they're like, oh, you know, I'll summon this 1916 01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:08.439 solomonic demon. That sounds like a fun time. It's not 1917 01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:11.880 a fun time I do it. 1918 01:41:12.119 --> 01:41:14.680 It doesn't sound like a fun time to me. I mean, 1919 01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:16.800 were you were scared getting into this? 1920 01:41:17.119 --> 01:41:19.000 Yeah, I've been scared so much. 1921 01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:21.680 Oh my god, Oh thank you for being honest. By 1922 01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:22.000 the way. 1923 01:41:22.560 --> 01:41:25.920 Yeah, No, I think it's important to talk about I 1924 01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:28.720 will say when I first got you know, involved with 1925 01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:32.079 magic and witchcraft. I wasn't scared at all. But then 1926 01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:35.680 early twenty twenty, after I had been doing this already 1927 01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:39.159 for like a long time, I had my ass handed 1928 01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:42.600 to me in a way that was terrifying to the 1929 01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:45.640 point where like, after I came through that experience, I 1930 01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:48.920 was like this close to throwing out all my shit, 1931 01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:52.479 getting rid of all my books and being like that's 1932 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:54.920 it for me, because that got a little too real. 1933 01:41:56.000 --> 01:41:59.239 I think that you're smarter now because I will say this, 1934 01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:02.119 I'm a nurse as well, like a registered nurse, and 1935 01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:04.640 the most scary thing we ever see as a nurse 1936 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:07.439 that thinks she knows everything right, and like you're you're 1937 01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:10.800 a better nurse if you don't really know everything and 1938 01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:12.079 you're willing to ask for help. 1939 01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:16.239 So yeah, absolutely, you were like you were like having 1940 01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:20.560 scary like like demons or ghosts or. 1941 01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:26.880 I had an experience with a spirit and I had 1942 01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:28.279 been you know, I don't know, I don't know if 1943 01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:30.560 it's close to what JJ has has been through, but 1944 01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:34.640 I was having some experiences that there was just a 1945 01:42:34.680 --> 01:42:38.800 little bit too many bad things clustering in a short 1946 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:41.479 space of time, and you know, I'm again very much 1947 01:42:41.479 --> 01:42:43.800 a skeptic. I'm like, Okay, bad things happen. You know, 1948 01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:45.720 sometimes you're just gonna have bad day. Your car is 1949 01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:47.760 going to break down, a family member is going to 1950 01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:51.680 get hurt, like it just happens's life. But if too 1951 01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.199 many of those things cluster in a small space of 1952 01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:58.319 time for me with my worldview, I'm like, hmm, okay. 1953 01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:01.399 And so I had done what I usually do in 1954 01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:03.720 those situations, which was I had, you know, done a 1955 01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:06.279 ritual to just kind of cleanse myself in my space 1956 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:08.560 and get rid of any ick that was floating around. 1957 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:11.680 And when I did that, the candle I was burning 1958 01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.720 went completely black. It was you know, a glass jar 1959 01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:18.600 candle and in candle magic candle divination. If you're burning 1960 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:20.640 something and it goes all the way down black soot, 1961 01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:23.840 that is not a good sign. And halfway through it 1962 01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:27.079 burning down, the candle exploded and then nearly burned down 1963 01:43:27.319 --> 01:43:31.239 the room that I was burning it in. So at 1964 01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:34.720 that point I was like, something's up. That's not good. 1965 01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:37.520 And I talked to a couple of friends of mine 1966 01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:42.800 and some mentors about what could be going on, and yeah, 1967 01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:47.279 let's go rounds with Robert will live stream it. 1968 01:43:51.640 --> 01:43:54.239 Please please live stream it. 1969 01:43:54.479 --> 01:43:56.199 Oh, I want to be a part of it. I 1970 01:43:56.399 --> 01:43:59.920 want it out too. I probably a part of it. 1971 01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:01.039 I don't want to anywhere near that. 1972 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:05.520 Damn, a ghost just turned off my entire ass computer 1973 01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:07.640 set up. I probably shouldn't be so ballsy, like, yeah, 1974 01:44:07.680 --> 01:44:11.359 let's go, let's take down Robert. But anyway, what happened 1975 01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:14.399 was at that point I asked friends for their thoughts. 1976 01:44:14.840 --> 01:44:16.560 This is something that I will say if anyone is 1977 01:44:16.600 --> 01:44:20.520 a practitioner or they want to be a practitioner, get 1978 01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:24.239 yourself a tight group of occultist friends that you trust, 1979 01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:27.359 who you can turn to if you're having an experience, 1980 01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:30.680 whether it's a dream or weird stuff happening in your life, 1981 01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.800 or you think you're seeing a spirit. It's so important 1982 01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:36.600 to be discerning because sometimes it's just you and you're tired, 1983 01:44:36.680 --> 01:44:38.920 and you're paranoid and your head's all fucked up. So 1984 01:44:39.079 --> 01:44:41.600 get people you trust that you can talk to, who 1985 01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:44.680 can check for you, and just be a little bit 1986 01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:47.399 of a grounding influence. But very sadly, in this instance, 1987 01:44:47.439 --> 01:44:49.840 my friend was kind of looking into it for me 1988 01:44:49.880 --> 01:44:52.600 and he said, oh no, there's definitely summons up there's 1989 01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:54.840 something around you or in your house or you know, 1990 01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:59.039 you got to get rid of it. So he gave 1991 01:44:59.079 --> 01:45:02.880 me his recommendation of what kind of ritual I should 1992 01:45:02.920 --> 01:45:05.079 do to really deal with this thing. And basically it 1993 01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:08.800 was a it's called a spirit trap ritual. We kind 1994 01:45:08.800 --> 01:45:11.560 of my friend's a conjure man, so it was kind 1995 01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:16.560 of in this folk conjure pop gaetia part other. We 1996 01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:18.119 weren't so many any demons to do it, but it 1997 01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:21.199 was sort of a solomonic folk magic ritual to get 1998 01:45:21.359 --> 01:45:22.039 deal with the spirit. 1999 01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:25.119 To say, well, is in solomonic magic you are trying 2000 01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:26.960 to trap a demon into a specific. 2001 01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:29.760 Yeah, you're trying to bind bind the spirit. And so 2002 01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:32.399 we used this right or I use this right to 2003 01:45:32.439 --> 01:45:34.359 do it that he told me all the steps to do. 2004 01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:38.520 I got everything ready and the ritual involved. You know, 2005 01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:42.159 it used planetary hours. If anyone watching or I'm sure 2006 01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:44.119 somebody y'all on the call have done it. But if 2007 01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:47.680 you're using like planetary magic, it's very specific timing wise, 2008 01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:49.319 You've got to be up at a certain time down 2009 01:45:49.359 --> 01:45:52.960 to the minute to call on certain energies and certain spirits. 2010 01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:56.319 So anyway I prep everything, I get it all organized. 2011 01:45:57.279 --> 01:45:59.119 This was quite a few years ago. I told my 2012 01:45:59.159 --> 01:46:01.479 boyfriend at the time, like, don't worry about me tomorrow. 2013 01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:03.239 Just ignore me. I'm going to be doing some stuff. 2014 01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:07.000 Just live your life. If I'm chanting in a room, 2015 01:46:07.039 --> 01:46:11.680 don't worry about it. And the morning that I was 2016 01:46:11.720 --> 01:46:13.079 due to do this, I think I had to start 2017 01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:17.199 at five am. I woke up in the worst pain 2018 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:21.960 of my life and I had like eleven out of 2019 01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:25.119 ten GI pain. I was like, not, I'm going to 2020 01:46:25.159 --> 01:46:27.520 be an elegant. I was shitting my brains out. 2021 01:46:27.560 --> 01:46:31.399 I was showing like stoic knew it. 2022 01:46:33.199 --> 01:46:38.239 And I I was oscillating between like the bathtub and 2023 01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:41.319 the toilet and then trying to get like because I 2024 01:46:41.359 --> 01:46:43.079 had to do shit on the hour every hour for 2025 01:46:43.119 --> 01:46:45.479 this ritual. And I remember messaging with my friend and 2026 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:49.000 being like, I think I'm dying, Like I am in 2027 01:46:49.199 --> 01:46:54.560 so much pain. Can I can't stop shitting like what 2028 01:46:55.119 --> 01:46:59.159 I had finish this ritual? And he was like, well, yeah, 2029 01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:01.039 the spirit doesn't want to go and it's pissed at you. 2030 01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:03.960 And I was like, fantastic, Well, I might have to 2031 01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:05.680 go to a hospital, Like what do you recommend I 2032 01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:06.800 do here? And he was like, you just got to 2033 01:47:06.840 --> 01:47:09.479 get it done. You just got you cannot stop doing 2034 01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:12.640 it now. My partner was like, witness My then partner 2035 01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:16.359 was witnessing this all and being like, you look like shit. 2036 01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:19.319 Like I was running a fever. I couldn't walk. My 2037 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:21.359 partner at the time was like, you have to go 2038 01:47:21.439 --> 01:47:24.560 to a hospital, and I was like, no, I have 2039 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:27.039 to finish chanting to Saturn. 2040 01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:30.600 You say, you know, if I don't finish this, we're 2041 01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.960 gonna have locknest monster in the bathtub. 2042 01:47:33.079 --> 01:47:34.119 Listen, We're gonna have. 2043 01:47:34.079 --> 01:47:36.359 Worse problems than me shitting my pants if you don't 2044 01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:37.520 go back to bed and shut up. 2045 01:47:37.560 --> 01:47:40.399 And shooting your pants is definitely a fucking problem. 2046 01:47:40.439 --> 01:47:43.680 It's a problem. I'm in there, yeah, crying out the 2047 01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:44.399 ass like that. 2048 01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:46.920 It's not it's not, no. 2049 01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:51.079 Serious, I know it happens. 2050 01:47:52.159 --> 01:47:55.199 I do not recommend the colonoscopy by spirit It's like 2051 01:47:55.279 --> 01:47:56.399 not as. 2052 01:47:58.560 --> 01:47:59.239 Yeah, it's like. 2053 01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:02.840 It was spiritual. 2054 01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:06.880 But I'm done, right, So I finished colonoscopy. 2055 01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:12.880 Go to colonoscopy will be the title of autobiography. My god. So, 2056 01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:15.119 but I did it. I finished it. It got done. 2057 01:48:15.119 --> 01:48:17.600 I think it took it was about a twelve hour process, 2058 01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:19.520 like on the hour, every hour. I somehow managed to 2059 01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:24.279 like force myself through it. And at the end of 2060 01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:28.399 that process, like literally the moment I finished that last 2061 01:48:28.439 --> 01:48:30.359 chant and I sealed this jar and it was all 2062 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:36.359 done fine physically fine wow, And I put it out 2063 01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:37.560 in the garden, which was you know. I was like, 2064 01:48:37.600 --> 01:48:39.439 what do I do with this fucking jar at this point, 2065 01:48:39.479 --> 01:48:41.439 And my friend was like, Okay, well, you're going to 2066 01:48:41.479 --> 01:48:43.239 want to put it obviously away from your house. And 2067 01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:44.359 I said, but how am I going to know if 2068 01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:46.640 it worked? I mean, should have been obvious at the 2069 01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:48.960 point in time that I was no longer extremely unwell 2070 01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:50.159 that it had worked. But I was like, how do 2071 01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:51.279 I know? How do I know what's in here? I 2072 01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:54.960 don't know? And my friend said, you're just you're just 2073 01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:56.520 gonna know. You're just going to know. So you hear 2074 01:48:56.560 --> 01:48:59.079 this a lot from other people in the occult when 2075 01:48:59.119 --> 01:49:01.520 your first like really learning serious magic. Oh, you're just 2076 01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:03.840 gonna know. It's such an annoying thing to hear. It's like, 2077 01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:06.960 what do you mean, I'm just gonna know? Ock you Anyway, 2078 01:49:07.239 --> 01:49:09.960 I put it in my front yard, where at the 2079 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:12.880 time I had this gigantic catinet bush that was just 2080 01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:15.520 growing all over the yard. I mean, catnip is a mint, 2081 01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:18.119 it takes over everything, grows like a weed, and this 2082 01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:21.760 plant was very robust. And three days later the entire 2083 01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:24.880 plant had died. The whole thing was dead. And I 2084 01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:29.439 was like, well, wow, that worked, I guess, but it 2085 01:49:29.479 --> 01:49:32.359 was terrifying. It was a terrifying experience, and not because 2086 01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:36.920 anything spooky supernatural was happening, like things weren't appearing to 2087 01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:41.079 me or like being spooky, but the toll that it 2088 01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:43.720 had taken on my physical body, which you know, if 2089 01:49:43.720 --> 01:49:45.520 you're a science minded person, you can say, well, that's 2090 01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:47.920 probably just totally totally coincidence, like bitch, you write too 2091 01:49:47.960 --> 01:49:51.199 much taco bell, Like that's what's going on there, right, 2092 01:49:51.439 --> 01:49:57.920 like not like uh. And it was horrifying, horrifying, and 2093 01:49:57.960 --> 01:50:02.600 I very nearly because apparently this spirit had no way 2094 01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:05.399 ill intent. It wasn't trying to fuck me up. Apparently 2095 01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:08.680 this was literally just a spirit that was ambiently around 2096 01:50:09.199 --> 01:50:11.079 and that had noticed me and was like, oh, there's 2097 01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:15.199 a witch. I'll just say hi, you know, and I'll 2098 01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:17.720 just say hi in a way that starts ruining her life, 2099 01:50:17.720 --> 01:50:19.239 because that's a good way to get attention. 2100 01:50:20.159 --> 01:50:21.600 Oh and the energy. 2101 01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:23.800 I mean, even if they don't mean to, they're gonna 2102 01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:26.319 suck some suck some blood, right if we want to 2103 01:50:26.359 --> 01:50:27.199 go vampiric. 2104 01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:30.199 Yep. And that's why that was my very hard one 2105 01:50:30.319 --> 01:50:33.039 lesson of here's how we have good spiritual boundaries and 2106 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:37.680 good spiritual cleanliness. But yeah, I very nearly threw in 2107 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:38.880 the towel at that point. 2108 01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:42.840 So you live in New Orleans obviously, Okay, Yeah, I 2109 01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:45.000 mean I feel like I've been there a few times. 2110 01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:47.279 I just feel like it's a haunted place to live. 2111 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:47.880 Oh. 2112 01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:49.760 Yeah, to be honest with you, I mean. 2113 01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:54.039 You're saying like something could have happened in that place 2114 01:50:54.359 --> 01:50:57.279 before you moved in or something like that. A lot 2115 01:50:57.319 --> 01:51:01.039 of the places, like even driving by them be like gosh, 2116 01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:04.359 this just gives me the he begbis like it's a 2117 01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:07.159 haunted kind of creepy dark place. 2118 01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:10.439 There's there's a lot of energy here, I think. I 2119 01:51:10.479 --> 01:51:12.199 mean the place that I live in. I'm not down 2120 01:51:12.279 --> 01:51:15.079 like in the French Quarter or anything. Because your girl 2121 01:51:15.319 --> 01:51:17.680 does not make that kind of psychic money. I'm not 2122 01:51:18.199 --> 01:51:20.279 agree yet, So I'm not you know, like I'm not 2123 01:51:20.399 --> 01:51:23.199 raking it in but you know, I live in a 2124 01:51:23.239 --> 01:51:27.199 house on the outskirts of Orleans Paris, so I'm still 2125 01:51:27.199 --> 01:51:29.760 technically in New Orleans, but it's more the suburbs. My 2126 01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:33.319 house was built in like nineteen sixty three, I think 2127 01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:36.840 nineteen nineteen fifty nineteen fifty three, so it's not like 2128 01:51:36.960 --> 01:51:40.600 old old history, haunty. But yeah, New Orleans is just 2129 01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:44.079 a place with a lot of energy, spirits and also 2130 01:51:44.319 --> 01:51:45.279 just like I. 2131 01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:48.560 Mean Hurricane to Trina stuff about to say the like, 2132 01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:52.119 I mean, yeah, even if you don't live right in 2133 01:51:52.119 --> 01:51:54.920 the quarter, I just I feel like with all that 2134 01:51:55.079 --> 01:52:01.000 energy that even came through with that is kind of wild, 2135 01:52:01.079 --> 01:52:04.000 but patty and angry. It's funny you mentioned her. I 2136 01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:05.800 don't know if anybody else knows who that is, but 2137 01:52:05.840 --> 01:52:09.840 that's the one they always get on ghost adventures. 2138 01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:11.159 Do you know who I'm talking about? 2139 01:52:11.199 --> 01:52:15.800 It's this It's the one lady they're always consulting on 2140 01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:19.079 ghost adventures when they call in a hychic. That's that's 2141 01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:21.359 who she's talking about. 2142 01:52:22.439 --> 01:52:24.760 And I don't know that she's extremely wealthy. I just 2143 01:52:24.840 --> 01:52:27.319 assume that she is. 2144 01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:30.199 She is too, Yeah, they're always. 2145 01:52:29.920 --> 01:52:32.159 Calling her in, and I almost don't feel like she's 2146 01:52:32.279 --> 01:52:35.760 very good on the episodes. It's like she walks in 2147 01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:38.560 there and she just says some real vague generalities, and 2148 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:40.920 it's like, why didn't she freaking hire me to do that. 2149 01:52:41.079 --> 01:52:43.960 I go in there and tell you more than she did, not. 2150 01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:44.680 I'm not sure. 2151 01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:51.680 No, I mean, I think celebrity celebrity psychics and celebrity 2152 01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:55.079 occultists are their whole own thing. 2153 01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:55.159 You know. 2154 01:52:55.199 --> 01:52:57.239 And I mean, God, I don't want my mouth to 2155 01:52:57.279 --> 01:53:00.560 get me into trouble this evening, so let's not it's not. 2156 01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:04.720 But yeah, I mean that's the other thing I think. 2157 01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:08.399 Any It's not that they aren't legit people who become 2158 01:53:08.439 --> 01:53:11.680 public figures and do things, but I think the nature 2159 01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:16.359 of media also is that the legit stuff doesn't really sell. 2160 01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:21.520 Like I know, you know, yeah, there's magicians that have 2161 01:53:21.640 --> 01:53:24.239 rabbits and hats, and then there's magicians. 2162 01:53:24.479 --> 01:53:27.960 Yeah and they both yeah. 2163 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:28.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2164 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:34.039 Somebody said something about glittering generalities one of my favorite 2165 01:53:34.279 --> 01:53:37.039 logical fallacies. Well, it's like they get in there and 2166 01:53:37.079 --> 01:53:40.840 she's like, oh my next burning you know, she'll like 2167 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:42.920 scratch it real quick, Oh look at this scratch on 2168 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:43.359 my neck. 2169 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:48.680 Come on, Patty, did you have a mother. Did you 2170 01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:49.279 have a mother? 2171 01:53:50.039 --> 01:53:51.079 I think you had a mother. 2172 01:53:53.439 --> 01:53:58.439 Somebody in your family was a smoker. It's like, yeah, okay. 2173 01:53:58.600 --> 01:54:03.479 Yeah, all of them masks narrow it down something like that. 2174 01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:13.399 Yes, I feel like someone you know, mother, father, grandmother, 2175 01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:16.960 may bee Caucasianian. 2176 01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:25.119 How would you guess? I'm not obviously Celesti. I'm not 2177 01:54:25.159 --> 01:54:25.800 making fun of me. 2178 01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:27.640 No, No, I don't feel that way at all. I 2179 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:31.720 just see similar similar feelings. 2180 01:54:31.840 --> 01:54:34.720 Yes, I have a friend. Actually, her name's Whitney. You 2181 01:54:34.760 --> 01:54:36.680 guys may know her, Whitney Fox. 2182 01:54:37.119 --> 01:54:40.640 Uh, she's the she's the real deal. She's a really 2183 01:54:40.640 --> 01:54:41.239 cool lady. 2184 01:54:42.319 --> 01:54:45.720 And uh yeah, I just I feel like people who 2185 01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:48.960 actually have a talent for it, they're not They're not 2186 01:54:49.039 --> 01:54:52.079 on Ghost Adventures, they're not you know. 2187 01:54:52.640 --> 01:54:57.920 So no, I agree. I mean, I think it's also 2188 01:54:57.920 --> 01:55:00.600 possible that some of these people who become like big 2189 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:05.119 media figures, not to single out Patty, but folks in 2190 01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:08.279 that in that wheelhouse. I think sometimes, you know, maybe 2191 01:55:08.279 --> 01:55:11.119 there is a legitimate skill and a talent and a 2192 01:55:11.159 --> 01:55:14.840 gift there, but once you have to do it once 2193 01:55:14.880 --> 01:55:17.479 a week on television with with fucking I don't even 2194 01:55:17.520 --> 01:55:19.439 know who who is on ghost Adventures at Zach Bag 2195 01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:21.760 and whoever? It is like, you know, some like backwards 2196 01:55:21.800 --> 01:55:25.279 baseball cap looking ass go toe guy being like the 2197 01:55:25.319 --> 01:55:28.279 Ghost House you know, did you hear that? 2198 01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:29.359 Did you hear that? 2199 01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:33.840 Yeah? It must. It probably creates a need to just 2200 01:55:34.039 --> 01:55:37.239 like play the role and not worry about really like 2201 01:55:37.359 --> 01:55:38.880 tapping in on a deeper level. 2202 01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:43.119 Well, I'll say one, there's one show that is like 2203 01:55:43.199 --> 01:55:46.079 that that I will say to this day. I'm a 2204 01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:47.920 huge fan and I love it so much, and I'll 2205 01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:55.279 follow this girl on Instagram? Is that the Dead Files girl? 2206 01:55:56.039 --> 01:55:58.479 Before I Sai, I said, you got to bring Amy 2207 01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:01.960 Allen instead you did mention her. 2208 01:56:02.800 --> 01:56:05.680 Dude, she got she gets me every time. 2209 01:56:07.640 --> 01:56:09.640 You're worth it in my opinion. 2210 01:56:10.359 --> 01:56:11.800 Oh yeah, no, that's one. 2211 01:56:11.880 --> 01:56:14.239 And I feel like they're the guy that she works 2212 01:56:14.279 --> 01:56:16.479 with on The Dead Files. Nick, weren't you going to 2213 01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:19.880 talk to him or something or trying to past? 2214 01:56:20.039 --> 01:56:22.520 Yeah, I was trying to because he was he was retired, 2215 01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:24.319 I think, a detective in New York. But I never 2216 01:56:24.479 --> 01:56:25.279 never got a response. 2217 01:56:25.479 --> 01:56:28.359 Well he I can only imagine you two talking to 2218 01:56:28.439 --> 01:56:33.640 each other with your big New York accents. But yeah, no, 2219 01:56:33.800 --> 01:56:36.800 she's she fascinates me. But you so do use Celeste. 2220 01:56:36.800 --> 01:56:37.399 I'm not gonna lie. 2221 01:56:37.439 --> 01:56:39.079 I kind of would like to have you on my 2222 01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:43.279 show and ask you all kinds of which craft three questions. 2223 01:56:43.319 --> 01:56:45.920 Oh yeah, I'm down. I'm down. I haven't done a 2224 01:56:46.079 --> 01:56:48.279 podcast in forever. And then I feel like in this 2225 01:56:48.359 --> 01:56:50.800 last week, everybody's like, do you want to be on 2226 01:56:50.880 --> 01:56:51.920 a podcast? 2227 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:55.479 I'm like, yeah, it's funny. Is another podcaster that I'm 2228 01:56:55.520 --> 01:56:58.079 friends with literally hit me up, like, you know, I've 2229 01:56:58.119 --> 01:56:59.600 been trying to get her on for a while. 2230 01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:04.760 Oh I think I know, because I kind of went 2231 01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:08.000 like self mode for the past, like gear, and I 2232 01:57:08.039 --> 01:57:10.359 really wasn't I wasn't even really updating my Instagram. It 2233 01:57:10.439 --> 01:57:14.279 was just like mostly strictly business stuff, not putting out 2234 01:57:14.279 --> 01:57:16.199 a bunch of other content. I was really burned out 2235 01:57:16.239 --> 01:57:20.079 from just the content mill and the constant demands of 2236 01:57:20.119 --> 01:57:23.239 the Internet. And then I went and decided to make 2237 01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:25.520 a stupid TikTok and here we. 2238 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:29.239 Are now TikTok every time. 2239 01:57:30.319 --> 01:57:33.680 That's well, the good timing Jen has a question, Yeah, 2240 01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:34.439 go for it, Jen. 2241 01:57:35.279 --> 01:57:37.399 Okay, So thank you very much, Hidi and Nick. 2242 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:40.359 So I have one comment, one question, and obviously I 2243 01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:42.479 said I would deticase, Heidi in the chat. 2244 01:57:42.359 --> 01:57:43.520 So I will do that. 2245 01:57:44.600 --> 01:57:47.920 So Celest you were talking about how your partner is 2246 01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:52.039 very analytical, so of course Nick knows I love Kabala. 2247 01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:54.199 So I'll just bring up a little This is kind 2248 01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:56.760 of a boy magic what you're talking about. It's very hard, 2249 01:57:57.119 --> 01:58:00.479 it's very you know, it's very hermetic, like you're very 2250 01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:02.880 like in the clear blue lightning. 2251 01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:03.159 You could say. 2252 01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:07.199 So that's that is like you're saying, he is kind 2253 01:58:07.239 --> 01:58:08.119 of a mystic. 2254 01:58:08.680 --> 01:58:09.359 Yeah he is. 2255 01:58:09.399 --> 01:58:12.000 He's tuned into the numbers, but it's just boy magic 2256 01:58:12.079 --> 01:58:14.000 because that's how he looks at it. 2257 01:58:14.079 --> 01:58:18.600 Hard data. Women are more they are less dense. 2258 01:58:18.640 --> 01:58:20.720 I've said this many times on the show, but they 2259 01:58:20.720 --> 01:58:24.039 have a they're less dense than men. So they you 2260 01:58:24.079 --> 01:58:27.159 guys need a little more finesse, a little more care. 2261 01:58:27.239 --> 01:58:30.760 That's why the rituals, that's why the all the spiritual technologies. 2262 01:58:31.079 --> 01:58:33.319 Men just kind of like need the know how and 2263 01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:34.760 then we can kind of get there. 2264 01:58:35.880 --> 01:58:38.399 Women kind of have to prepare themselves, but they can 2265 01:58:38.399 --> 01:58:41.039 get there too. It's just it's all obviously I think 2266 01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:43.359 of it as all like just consciousness, so you can 2267 01:58:43.359 --> 01:58:44.199 get there if you want. 2268 01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:45.960 It's just how you prepare yourself. 2269 01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:48.000 But I thought that was really interesting because I think 2270 01:58:48.039 --> 01:58:50.439 you're tapped into like he is a mystic, and I 2271 01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:52.199 know a lot of people like this. They would not 2272 01:58:52.279 --> 01:58:55.640 consider themselves occultists or mystics, but they have like a 2273 01:58:55.760 --> 01:58:58.560 very keen analytical eye and analytical knowledge. 2274 01:58:58.560 --> 01:58:59.800 Like Lisa is very much like this. 2275 01:58:59.840 --> 01:59:02.079 I don't think she's like that dude at all, but 2276 01:59:03.079 --> 01:59:05.560 she just it's a very if you have like a 2277 01:59:05.760 --> 01:59:09.039 science that kind of brain, I think you're you are 2278 01:59:09.079 --> 01:59:12.439 able to do it if you are open minded. And 2279 01:59:12.479 --> 01:59:17.560 then my question was did Vampire the Masquerade the White 2280 01:59:17.600 --> 01:59:18.199 Wolf game? 2281 01:59:18.920 --> 01:59:22.039 Was that like really old fashioned by the time you 2282 01:59:22.479 --> 01:59:23.359 were kind of in the. 2283 01:59:23.319 --> 01:59:26.960 Scene or what did did you see it play kind 2284 01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:31.359 of a role in how people you know, like the 2285 01:59:31.439 --> 01:59:34.279 vampire balls and all of that, Like, yeah, familiar with 2286 01:59:34.279 --> 01:59:34.920 that a little bit? 2287 01:59:35.319 --> 01:59:39.520 Yeah, No, I think, I mean, I think you know, 2288 01:59:39.600 --> 01:59:43.920 White Wolf games, whether it's tabletop or LARPing, are gonna 2289 01:59:44.520 --> 01:59:47.319 that's a that's eternally popular, you know. I mean, I'm 2290 01:59:47.319 --> 01:59:50.159 in a I'm in a VTM game right now. We 2291 01:59:50.199 --> 01:59:53.359 haven't met for ages. We meet on zoom, but I 2292 01:59:53.399 --> 01:59:57.840 am a big fan of White Wolf. I love role playing, 2293 01:59:57.880 --> 02:00:02.720 mostly tabletop. I'm not big on LARPing. Surprisingly, I don't 2294 02:00:02.800 --> 02:00:04.800 like people in real life, you know, to keep me 2295 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:08.880 away from them. But yeah, no, I think that the 2296 02:00:08.920 --> 02:00:13.920 White Wolf universe definitely did seep into elements of the 2297 02:00:13.960 --> 02:00:15.840 group that I was in. The biggest thing that I 2298 02:00:15.840 --> 02:00:17.960 can think of. I'm glad you asked this question, actually, 2299 02:00:17.960 --> 02:00:20.520 But the biggest way that I think it impacted some 2300 02:00:20.600 --> 02:00:24.239 of the terminology from White Wolf games was creeping in 2301 02:00:25.039 --> 02:00:28.600 to the way that the Vampire moderators interacted with us. 2302 02:00:29.359 --> 02:00:32.199 And the biggest way that that happened was the idea 2303 02:00:32.279 --> 02:00:36.239 of gules. If anyone's played like VTM or a White 2304 02:00:36.279 --> 02:00:41.399 Wolf game, the ghule is a physically human, well a 2305 02:00:41.479 --> 02:00:44.800 mostly physically human character that is the servant or the 2306 02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:48.399 you know, thrall of a vampire character. So in the 2307 02:00:49.600 --> 02:00:53.319 role playing game Vampire the Musquerade, your vampire character can 2308 02:00:53.920 --> 02:00:56.680 give a human being a certain amount of blood and 2309 02:00:56.720 --> 02:00:59.880 that character becomes kind of like your little mortal slave 2310 02:01:00.119 --> 02:01:01.800 and you can go send them to do errands for 2311 02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:04.680 you and do stuff during the day, pick up your 2312 02:01:05.079 --> 02:01:08.800 dampile laundry, whatever does you need them to do. In 2313 02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:12.279 the cult that I was in that idea started to 2314 02:01:12.319 --> 02:01:17.680 really permeate. So the truly unhinged Kucku Banana is. Stuff 2315 02:01:17.680 --> 02:01:19.600 that went on toward the end is that a bunch 2316 02:01:19.680 --> 02:01:21.800 of us were told that we actually had vampire blood. 2317 02:01:22.079 --> 02:01:24.640 We didn't remember getting the vampire blood because it was 2318 02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:28.399 all happening while we were sleeping. But you know, the 2319 02:01:28.760 --> 02:01:31.800 the vampires who ran this cult were supposedly coming to 2320 02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:34.560 some of us in the night and giving us their blood, 2321 02:01:34.560 --> 02:01:37.880 and we were becoming ghouls. So in the world of 2322 02:01:37.960 --> 02:01:41.640 the cult, I was a ghoul and had vampire blood 2323 02:01:41.880 --> 02:01:44.039 and was told that that's why I was so sick. 2324 02:01:44.079 --> 02:01:46.640 It turns out that I have a chronic illness, that's 2325 02:01:46.640 --> 02:01:49.800 why I'm so sick, but I was told it was 2326 02:01:49.840 --> 02:01:50.960 vampire blood. So there you go. 2327 02:01:52.000 --> 02:01:55.119 Well that's really interesting so us because Nicholas to Beer, 2328 02:01:55.199 --> 02:01:57.560 I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, but yeah, 2329 02:01:58.199 --> 02:02:00.960 like the I think is the thing is the Temple 2330 02:02:01.000 --> 02:02:03.399 of Blood in the Order of the Dragon, and like 2331 02:02:03.479 --> 02:02:06.199 everyone knows, he's like really sick though, and like that 2332 02:02:06.319 --> 02:02:09.239 whole group is quite weird and very extreme. 2333 02:02:09.800 --> 02:02:11.119 But they they. 2334 02:02:10.960 --> 02:02:14.319 Talk about like these very ideas that you're talking about, 2335 02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:17.960 Like they think they are actually like immortal vampires, and. 2336 02:02:17.840 --> 02:02:20.479 They do feed people their blood unwittingly. 2337 02:02:20.840 --> 02:02:23.680 So I just think that that's very fascinating that they're 2338 02:02:23.720 --> 02:02:29.439 borrowing this kind of very extreme you know, Luciferian ish. 2339 02:02:29.680 --> 02:02:33.399 I'm not sure on their whole ideology, but yeah, very 2340 02:02:33.439 --> 02:02:42.760 interesting blood. Yeah, they give people their own blood unwittingly 2341 02:02:43.039 --> 02:02:47.439 in food and drinks, and they say it's to improve though, 2342 02:02:47.479 --> 02:02:50.399 because they think they're like pure bloodline. Like that's Nicholas 2343 02:02:50.439 --> 02:02:54.520 Severer's like whole thing. He thinks he's like the Gray Arian. 2344 02:02:55.079 --> 02:02:57.239 I don't know, he thinks he's like good Like he 2345 02:02:57.880 --> 02:03:00.000 just thinks he's like pure descendant of whatever. 2346 02:03:00.600 --> 02:03:01.279 And so it's. 2347 02:03:01.199 --> 02:03:03.399 Interesting because I've seen that in the plotline of a 2348 02:03:03.439 --> 02:03:08.560 film recently called The Golden Child. 2349 02:03:08.640 --> 02:03:13.840 Were you like Eddie Murphy. 2350 02:03:13.680 --> 02:03:14.520 Review of that on. 2351 02:03:16.800 --> 02:03:17.920 It like the Oatmeal or whatever? 2352 02:03:17.960 --> 02:03:18.279 That was? 2353 02:03:18.479 --> 02:03:21.119 Love that show. It's in the oat meal. It's in 2354 02:03:21.159 --> 02:03:21.720 the oatmeal. 2355 02:03:21.960 --> 02:03:24.199 Hey, but I was going to see it reminds me 2356 02:03:24.319 --> 02:03:28.439 of of mid Midnight Mass as well. 2357 02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:32.279 That was from the Great Brotherhood of the North. 2358 02:03:32.399 --> 02:03:36.840 This is all very ancient, uh magic, So all of that, 2359 02:03:37.119 --> 02:03:40.439 all of these things, yeah, but all that one. 2360 02:03:41.159 --> 02:03:42.359 You can go join us, Julia, for. 2361 02:03:42.359 --> 02:03:45.560 Sure, send me the link. I love The Golden Child. 2362 02:03:45.600 --> 02:03:47.479 I made Colby watch it the other day. 2363 02:03:48.760 --> 02:03:50.239 Just watched it too. That's that's good. 2364 02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:52.079 Yeah, I recently just watched it. 2365 02:03:52.159 --> 02:03:54.159 I think the funniest part is when they go to 2366 02:03:54.279 --> 02:03:58.239 like the uh to talk to the dragon Lady and he's. 2367 02:03:58.119 --> 02:04:01.079 Like this is good to keep the up, and he's like, 2368 02:04:01.399 --> 02:04:02.760 nothing wrong with my yang. 2369 02:04:06.640 --> 02:04:11.159 Anyways, Anyways, I did I did want to say I 2370 02:04:11.239 --> 02:04:15.279 played Magic the Gathering when I was a youngster and. 2371 02:04:15.640 --> 02:04:16.239 The Great Game? 2372 02:04:17.079 --> 02:04:17.800 Do you like that one? 2373 02:04:18.039 --> 02:04:20.680 I'm not good at it because I can't math, but people, 2374 02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:21.960 you know. 2375 02:04:23.119 --> 02:04:25.680 I was going to say, though, you know, I started 2376 02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:26.399 playing it when. 2377 02:04:26.279 --> 02:04:28.600 I was around like sixteen or seventeen or something like that, 2378 02:04:28.640 --> 02:04:30.640 and I used to go to like the conventions or 2379 02:04:31.159 --> 02:04:34.199 whatever and play against other the tournaments and stuff. If 2380 02:04:34.239 --> 02:04:37.680 somebody would have started a Magic the Gathering cult when 2381 02:04:37.720 --> 02:04:39.520 I was at eight, I would have joined it. 2382 02:04:39.600 --> 02:04:50.119 I mean, I think that's. 2383 02:04:45.640 --> 02:04:47.199 Like I want to join a cult. 2384 02:04:49.279 --> 02:04:52.199 I would do it just because, okay, because I was 2385 02:04:52.279 --> 02:04:54.920 young and impressionable, and also I'm working on a cult 2386 02:04:55.039 --> 02:04:58.079 series right now. It's called Into the CULTI Verse, and 2387 02:04:58.119 --> 02:05:01.399 I want to join a cult, what it's all about. 2388 02:05:01.439 --> 02:05:03.560 And then I'm going to report back the facts. 2389 02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:04.720 And I don't. 2390 02:05:04.600 --> 02:05:06.359 Recommend that they don't like you when you do that. 2391 02:05:06.880 --> 02:05:08.560 It's pretty much like what I like that. 2392 02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:12.199 Nobody will have me anyways, JJ. Unless you start a COLT, 2393 02:05:12.319 --> 02:05:13.239 maybe you'll have me. 2394 02:05:14.119 --> 02:05:15.199 You'll get a roper money. 2395 02:05:15.199 --> 02:05:17.439 The mormers will take you. 2396 02:05:17.760 --> 02:05:18.600 I don't want to pay. 2397 02:05:19.000 --> 02:05:20.479 You got to go down to Brazil and go to 2398 02:05:20.520 --> 02:05:23.039 the what's that one that we keep talking about, JJ, 2399 02:05:23.119 --> 02:05:25.359 that we got to cover one day? 2400 02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:28.439 Yeah, and the eye is saturd It was called. 2401 02:05:29.920 --> 02:05:33.439 Is some wild one? Yeah, yeah, some ship like that, Joey. 2402 02:05:33.479 --> 02:05:35.680 You can sign a billion year contract with Scientology if 2403 02:05:35.680 --> 02:05:36.479 you want to do a COLT. 2404 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:40.800 It's only a billion years. I think that's going to 2405 02:05:41.039 --> 02:05:41.960 only a billionaires. 2406 02:05:42.600 --> 02:05:44.159 I mean it's going to be a noe for me. 2407 02:05:44.319 --> 02:05:44.560 Dog. 2408 02:05:44.760 --> 02:05:47.760 But the thing is, I would like to join like 2409 02:05:47.840 --> 02:05:50.039 a cult temporarily, like. 2410 02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:52.399 A friend of your cold than that, like just to 2411 02:05:52.439 --> 02:05:53.359 go to a couple. 2412 02:05:53.039 --> 02:05:56.399 Of crock pot lunches and then just you know, take 2413 02:05:56.479 --> 02:06:00.920 some notes down and just you know, investigated INVESTI guys 2414 02:06:01.000 --> 02:06:04.720 a little bit and then just be out. But anyways, 2415 02:06:04.760 --> 02:06:07.560 I think if you have enough passion behind something, and 2416 02:06:07.600 --> 02:06:10.560 you're involved with something enough, it would be easy to 2417 02:06:10.840 --> 02:06:13.680 become involved in like a club or a group where 2418 02:06:14.119 --> 02:06:16.479 what eventually ends up becoming a cult. 2419 02:06:16.560 --> 02:06:18.039 Because I mean. 2420 02:06:17.920 --> 02:06:21.199 I was stealing Magic the Gathering cards from Walmart and 2421 02:06:21.279 --> 02:06:23.640 just like stuffing my bra with them and shoving them 2422 02:06:23.640 --> 02:06:24.359 down my pants. 2423 02:06:24.399 --> 02:06:25.840 I was obsessed with it. 2424 02:06:26.640 --> 02:06:29.520 I was indeed, man, that is magic. 2425 02:06:29.800 --> 02:06:47.079 Magic the Gathering is definitely there's definitely stick. Oh I think, yeah. 2426 02:06:42.399 --> 02:06:45.000 I mean, yeah, I agree, jin, I think it gets 2427 02:06:45.039 --> 02:06:47.479 a hold of your mind for sure, because I became 2428 02:06:47.640 --> 02:06:49.399 completely obsessed with it. 2429 02:06:49.479 --> 02:06:51.560 I had the video game. 2430 02:06:51.479 --> 02:06:54.520 I met people in real life and played it. I 2431 02:06:54.520 --> 02:06:57.239 mean I did, I did all of it. I mean, 2432 02:06:57.560 --> 02:06:59.920 but the thing I grew out of it. But I 2433 02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:02.479 I feel like some of this stuff, like they set 2434 02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:04.680 up these forums and stuff because a lot of people 2435 02:07:04.720 --> 02:07:09.760 don't grow out of this. They they don't capture asking questions. 2436 02:07:09.880 --> 02:07:12.199 Yeah, yeah, it's to capture your attention. 2437 02:07:12.439 --> 02:07:16.199 Like for me, I was like, I'm more like identified 2438 02:07:16.199 --> 02:07:18.760 with some of what Celeste was saying, because like I am, 2439 02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:21.880 I'm goth a little bit like not full. But yeah, 2440 02:07:21.920 --> 02:07:25.399 I was always adjacent to that subculture or whatever. 2441 02:07:25.720 --> 02:07:26.520 I like magic. 2442 02:07:26.600 --> 02:07:29.039 I was never into vampires, but I do like magic 2443 02:07:29.039 --> 02:07:31.720 because I was always interested in i't caull things. So 2444 02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:34.680 it's always to draw your attention, like who, like, what 2445 02:07:34.720 --> 02:07:37.520 consciousness are you going to capture with what story? 2446 02:07:38.159 --> 02:07:40.359 So I've read all the Anne Reichs books. I didn't 2447 02:07:40.359 --> 02:07:42.039 mind them, but it wasn't it's not going to be 2448 02:07:42.079 --> 02:07:45.119 something that I'm It wasn't the capture the thing that 2449 02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:48.920 captured me. So you were captured by magic the gathering. 2450 02:07:49.159 --> 02:07:52.760 Heidi was obviously born a Mormon, JJ obviously became a Mormon. 2451 02:07:52.840 --> 02:07:54.960 Nick was captured by the Oto. I'm not saying in 2452 02:07:54.960 --> 02:07:55.880 a negative way. 2453 02:07:56.520 --> 02:08:00.239 Just we all everyone here kind of proved is that 2454 02:08:00.319 --> 02:08:03.720 the real American religion is actually a little weird, a 2455 02:08:03.760 --> 02:08:07.640 little magin role and like a lot of like what 2456 02:08:07.880 --> 02:08:11.000 you think individualistic in a way. 2457 02:08:12.159 --> 02:08:16.079 Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's very well said. Yeah, 2458 02:08:16.479 --> 02:08:18.600 very well said. Definitely. 2459 02:08:20.960 --> 02:08:25.319 Yeah. A lot of aliens that is interesting that does 2460 02:08:25.600 --> 02:08:26.239 show up on it. 2461 02:08:28.520 --> 02:08:30.640 It's aliens all the way down at the end of 2462 02:08:30.640 --> 02:08:33.279 the day. 2463 02:08:33.199 --> 02:08:34.439 It's aliens and women. 2464 02:08:34.720 --> 02:08:37.560 It's ultra terrestrial women all the way down there. 2465 02:08:38.239 --> 02:08:39.680 Yeah. 2466 02:08:40.640 --> 02:08:43.600 Uh go, probably about another like ten minutes if anybody 2467 02:08:43.640 --> 02:08:46.399 else has any more questions. I know I meant typed 2468 02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:47.840 in the chat. I wanted to wrap it up, like 2469 02:08:47.920 --> 02:08:48.279 not yet. 2470 02:08:49.920 --> 02:08:50.960 I know everyone went quiet. 2471 02:08:51.199 --> 02:08:52.319 I know, yeah, because they're probably like. 2472 02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:55.159 I'm long winded. 2473 02:08:55.199 --> 02:08:57.920 I didn't want to get started on something I couldn't stop. 2474 02:09:00.359 --> 02:09:01.520 Go ahead, Jenny, you got another. 2475 02:09:01.399 --> 02:09:04.079 Question, Yeah, i'llsoleus. 2476 02:09:04.159 --> 02:09:07.680 The question is what are some of your most Obviously 2477 02:09:07.720 --> 02:09:09.439 you don't want to I understand if you don't want 2478 02:09:09.479 --> 02:09:12.520 to get into personal details of like your clients, But 2479 02:09:12.600 --> 02:09:14.840 what are some of the more interesting cases that you 2480 02:09:14.880 --> 02:09:18.680 would be willing to like share that you've done magically 2481 02:09:18.800 --> 02:09:19.439 or for people? 2482 02:09:19.920 --> 02:09:20.159 Yeah? 2483 02:09:20.720 --> 02:09:25.760 Yeah, so I think, like you know, my clients, I 2484 02:09:25.760 --> 02:09:27.600 get a lot of repeat clients, which I think is 2485 02:09:27.640 --> 02:09:30.399 not always common in this industry. But I do have 2486 02:09:30.439 --> 02:09:32.640 a really wonderful client base of people who kind of 2487 02:09:32.720 --> 02:09:35.000 keep coming back either and not you know, not like 2488 02:09:35.079 --> 02:09:36.880 keep coming back like every week they're blowing me up, 2489 02:09:36.920 --> 02:09:40.479 but you know, keep coming back for inside or readings. 2490 02:09:40.560 --> 02:09:43.840 Readings was a big bread and butter of my work 2491 02:09:43.880 --> 02:09:46.079 for a long long time, and that's really all I did, 2492 02:09:46.520 --> 02:09:50.600 and I've only branched out into doing sort of bespoke 2493 02:09:50.720 --> 02:09:54.560 spell work bespoke ritual for people over the past three issuars. 2494 02:09:55.640 --> 02:09:58.119 I didn't think that it was going to be as 2495 02:09:58.119 --> 02:10:00.720 popular as it has been, but out that a lot 2496 02:10:00.720 --> 02:10:03.680 of people have a lot of magic that they want 2497 02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:05.479 to do that they either don't know how to do 2498 02:10:05.600 --> 02:10:07.960 or they're too lazy to do themselves. So that is 2499 02:10:08.119 --> 02:10:11.319 that is not my job. As far as the most interesting, 2500 02:10:12.439 --> 02:10:14.079 I get a lot of the kind of standard stuff 2501 02:10:14.079 --> 02:10:16.680 that you would imagine a lot of like my ex 2502 02:10:17.039 --> 02:10:19.119 left and I want him back. I get a lot 2503 02:10:19.119 --> 02:10:22.039 of you know, I want a promotion at my job, 2504 02:10:22.159 --> 02:10:23.560 or I need a new job, and I don't know 2505 02:10:23.560 --> 02:10:27.359 how to do that. But then I do get some 2506 02:10:27.359 --> 02:10:33.239 sort of more unhinged requests. I guess I met a 2507 02:10:33.279 --> 02:10:37.319 couple of people who needed it. Yeah, well, not that 2508 02:10:37.399 --> 02:10:40.159 many homicidal people, and I have a system for dealing 2509 02:10:40.159 --> 02:10:43.840 with that. But I do have people who want to, 2510 02:10:44.079 --> 02:10:47.439 you know, either protect themselves from somebody or they need 2511 02:10:47.479 --> 02:10:53.279 to exact some form of vengeance, shall we say. And 2512 02:10:53.359 --> 02:10:56.760 one such case, which I will talk about without naming names, 2513 02:10:56.760 --> 02:10:59.760 but I had a client and a friend a couple 2514 02:10:59.760 --> 02:11:03.399 of year years ago who had been slighted by an 2515 02:11:03.399 --> 02:11:06.720 individual and was upset about it, and so her whole 2516 02:11:06.720 --> 02:11:08.640 thing was, you know, she was very upset, very distraught, 2517 02:11:08.640 --> 02:11:11.399 and she said, I want this person to be punished. 2518 02:11:11.520 --> 02:11:14.239 And I said, okay, well what kind of punishment are 2519 02:11:14.279 --> 02:11:16.520 we talking about here, Like, let's have a conversation. And 2520 02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:19.399 I always make sure that I do a divination first, 2521 02:11:19.479 --> 02:11:22.399 because sometimes it's just not a good idea to go 2522 02:11:22.439 --> 02:11:26.159 getting yourself involved in a situation like that. But she 2523 02:11:27.439 --> 02:11:30.399 wanted him. He was he was a I kind of 2524 02:11:30.560 --> 02:11:32.479 if he was like a YouTuber or like a twitch 2525 02:11:32.479 --> 02:11:34.520 streamer or something like that, but he was like a 2526 02:11:34.600 --> 02:11:37.600 mildly famous in his like little niche kind of guy. 2527 02:11:38.359 --> 02:11:41.640 And she said, I really want him to lose this 2528 02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:45.520 celebrity boxing match that he's about to be a part of. 2529 02:11:45.640 --> 02:11:48.640 There was some sort of YouTube live streamed pay per 2530 02:11:48.760 --> 02:11:52.279 view influencer boxing match going on, and she really wanted 2531 02:11:52.279 --> 02:11:54.439 this guy to lose. And I thought, you know, well 2532 02:11:54.479 --> 02:11:56.920 that's fairly innocent. I don't give it in about this guy. 2533 02:11:56.920 --> 02:11:58.399 He seems like piece of shit, like, yeah, all right, 2534 02:11:58.479 --> 02:12:00.960 let's just some magic for him to lose this boxing match. 2535 02:12:01.359 --> 02:12:03.079 But then she kind of caveat it, and she said, 2536 02:12:03.119 --> 02:12:04.479 but I also want him to get a little bit 2537 02:12:04.560 --> 02:12:07.960 injured in the process. I was like, okay, so do 2538 02:12:08.039 --> 02:12:11.039 the ritual, and I'll be honest with you, like my 2539 02:12:11.079 --> 02:12:13.640 stuff usually does work. Sometimes it takes a little longer 2540 02:12:13.680 --> 02:12:15.960 to work than I think it's going to, like timelines 2541 02:12:15.960 --> 02:12:18.640 with magical weird. But I have a pretty good track 2542 02:12:18.720 --> 02:12:20.520 record of my stuff working. 2543 02:12:21.680 --> 02:12:30.800 But right right in the middle of the story, are 2544 02:12:30.800 --> 02:12:35.000 we back, Yes, yes, okay, yeah, oh man, all. 2545 02:12:34.920 --> 02:12:37.079 Right, either he was going to win this boxing match 2546 02:12:37.119 --> 02:12:38.279 or he was not. You know, it was gonna it 2547 02:12:38.319 --> 02:12:41.159 was gonna work, or it wasn't. And she was going 2548 02:12:41.239 --> 02:12:43.439 to be watching live my client, and it was like, 2549 02:12:43.439 --> 02:12:45.800 oh fuck if I if I screw the pooch on 2550 02:12:45.840 --> 02:12:47.680 this one, it's going to be real bad for business. 2551 02:12:48.000 --> 02:12:52.880 So anyway, I hear about it later and she was like, 2552 02:12:53.000 --> 02:12:55.399 well he lost the match. I was like, oh, dope, 2553 02:12:55.479 --> 02:12:59.640 that's awesome. Few she was like, yeah, and his bicep exploded, 2554 02:13:00.319 --> 02:13:03.640 like the muscle, the muscle in his bicep. I guess, 2555 02:13:03.720 --> 02:13:07.880 like I don't know, a tendon snapped or something, but 2556 02:13:07.960 --> 02:13:13.000 he had like some crazy gnarly bicep injury. And so yeah, 2557 02:13:13.000 --> 02:13:15.479 that that worked very successfully. 2558 02:13:19.800 --> 02:13:28.119 That's will frozen again. I had a question to. 2559 02:13:28.680 --> 02:13:32.600 Go, shoot, oh good, you froze again. 2560 02:13:32.720 --> 02:13:34.359 So I wasn't sure if you're there. 2561 02:13:34.439 --> 02:13:36.119 In and out, I don't know what's going on. I 2562 02:13:36.159 --> 02:13:38.560 guess the spirit's like, that's enough of you, bitch, but 2563 02:13:38.640 --> 02:13:40.520 go ahead, go ahead if you have a question. 2564 02:13:41.479 --> 02:13:43.319 Well, I was just gonna say, do you ever get 2565 02:13:43.359 --> 02:13:49.720 scared if like doing ritualism like this, like, does does 2566 02:13:50.079 --> 02:13:53.119 anything negative come back on you or the person who 2567 02:13:53.199 --> 02:13:56.399 requested it? 2568 02:13:56.439 --> 02:14:00.399 In my experience, neither U and I think that because 2569 02:14:00.439 --> 02:14:05.119 like so I'm not wicked, and only some schools of 2570 02:14:05.119 --> 02:14:08.560 occultism really even believe in this idea of like, you know, 2571 02:14:09.119 --> 02:14:12.560 rebound impact from a spell. You know, in the wick 2572 02:14:12.640 --> 02:14:14.760 in religion, it's like, okay, anything you're going to put 2573 02:14:14.760 --> 02:14:17.319 out there, you get back on you three times. And 2574 02:14:17.359 --> 02:14:20.279 that's just not a tenet that everybody believes in. I 2575 02:14:20.319 --> 02:14:24.479 do believe in energy moving around, and I while I 2576 02:14:24.520 --> 02:14:27.880 don't really think that there's this sort of score sheet 2577 02:14:28.119 --> 02:14:30.640 out there with some like supreme being being like, well, 2578 02:14:30.720 --> 02:14:32.840 you did the bad things, so now you're going to 2579 02:14:32.880 --> 02:14:34.720 get the bad thing. I don't think it's quite I mean, 2580 02:14:34.760 --> 02:14:37.199 if it were like that, a lot of really bad 2581 02:14:37.199 --> 02:14:39.239 people would be having really bad lives and they don't. 2582 02:14:39.640 --> 02:14:41.960 So you know, proofs in the pudding there a lot. 2583 02:14:41.960 --> 02:14:44.479 I have to agree with you on that because I've 2584 02:14:44.520 --> 02:14:49.520 said several times you know, when you watch a movie, 2585 02:14:50.079 --> 02:14:52.239 you always expect for the good guy to win in 2586 02:14:52.279 --> 02:14:55.079 the end against evil, But in real life it's not 2587 02:14:55.239 --> 02:14:57.920 like that. It's usually the bad guy wins in the end, 2588 02:14:58.159 --> 02:14:59.520 and that's reality. 2589 02:15:00.239 --> 02:15:02.840 And so if I hate. 2590 02:15:02.640 --> 02:15:05.119 To say this, but it's like if if it was like, 2591 02:15:05.159 --> 02:15:07.439 if you do something bad, something bad's going to happen 2592 02:15:07.479 --> 02:15:11.159 to you, then I mean, all the satanic pedophiles that 2593 02:15:11.239 --> 02:15:14.680 run our country would not be freaking billionaires live in 2594 02:15:15.199 --> 02:15:18.039 you know, lavish lifestyles. So it's like the bad guy 2595 02:15:18.119 --> 02:15:20.359 wins in the end. Sometimes I hate to say that, 2596 02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:21.680 but that's what it seems like. 2597 02:15:22.159 --> 02:15:24.039 Well, And it's also like if you guys, is in 2598 02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:26.039 the show The Good Place where they try and like 2599 02:15:26.119 --> 02:15:29.319 figure out what the moral like tally sheet would even 2600 02:15:29.359 --> 02:15:32.079 look like and how you would calculate that. Like, I 2601 02:15:32.119 --> 02:15:34.920 think I do believe that there is some kind of 2602 02:15:34.960 --> 02:15:36.840 like I mean, I believe in God. I think that 2603 02:15:37.239 --> 02:15:42.399 God is real, but I don't think that human morality 2604 02:15:42.399 --> 02:15:44.760 and human action can be reduced to this sort of 2605 02:15:44.800 --> 02:15:47.680 like easy checks and balances. Yes, no bad, good kind 2606 02:15:47.720 --> 02:15:51.640 of thing. I do always do my own sort of 2607 02:15:51.640 --> 02:15:53.960 soul searching and divination before I take a client on, 2608 02:15:54.600 --> 02:15:56.800 before I decide, like am I going to do this work? 2609 02:15:57.079 --> 02:16:00.399 But I to be honest, I will get energetic drained. 2610 02:16:00.439 --> 02:16:02.560 I'll say that if I And that's regardless of the 2611 02:16:02.640 --> 02:16:04.399 kind of work that I'm doing, whether it's like kind 2612 02:16:04.399 --> 02:16:07.039 of texting and cursing, whether it's much more benevolent, like 2613 02:16:07.319 --> 02:16:09.640 if I have a full three days of spell work, 2614 02:16:09.680 --> 02:16:11.079 it will drain the funk out of me and I'll 2615 02:16:11.119 --> 02:16:14.239 have to go to bed and sleep. But it doesn't 2616 02:16:15.199 --> 02:16:17.279 I mean, touch Wood, you freaked me out. Now it's 2617 02:16:17.319 --> 02:16:19.079 so far it hasn't like come and bit me in 2618 02:16:19.119 --> 02:16:24.039 the ass yet I feel like the spirits are very 2619 02:16:24.239 --> 02:16:26.560 present on this conversation and doing all sorts of things 2620 02:16:26.600 --> 02:16:29.159 with the internet connections, so like, don't bite me in 2621 02:16:29.199 --> 02:16:34.000 the ass, you know. But yeah, I know Robert's gonna 2622 02:16:34.000 --> 02:16:41.040 come ert and now it's all remind me. 2623 02:16:41.120 --> 02:16:43.440 Never to meet up with you and go bowling. I 2624 02:16:43.520 --> 02:16:46.520 just don't want that energy in my life. 2625 02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:51.159 Before worn don't don't ever take a picture of Robert 2626 02:16:51.200 --> 02:16:52.239 the doll. He will curse you. 2627 02:16:54.159 --> 02:16:56.399 I'm not going to do it. I'm never going to 2628 02:16:56.520 --> 02:16:56.840 do it. 2629 02:16:57.360 --> 02:16:59.280 I saw him, but I don't think. I don't think 2630 02:16:59.319 --> 02:17:00.879 I took a picture. I think I was like, I'm 2631 02:17:00.879 --> 02:17:02.719 gonna heed that morning, far. 2632 02:17:02.600 --> 02:17:07.120 More wiser than I. 2633 02:17:07.120 --> 02:17:09.360 I bet your I bet if you posted that picture, 2634 02:17:09.479 --> 02:17:11.399 only got like ten likes on it too, and now 2635 02:17:11.399 --> 02:17:12.399 you're cursed forever. 2636 02:17:13.399 --> 02:17:17.000 I know, I don't really have any social media outside 2637 02:17:17.000 --> 02:17:19.360 of my podcast, and this was probably twelve years ago. 2638 02:17:19.559 --> 02:17:21.959 I'm not even sure what happened to the photo it was. 2639 02:17:22.000 --> 02:17:25.360 You didn't even get a single like on it? JJ wow. 2640 02:17:26.319 --> 02:17:29.600 And for what memory card? You know what I mean, Like, 2641 02:17:29.639 --> 02:17:31.600 I'm not certainly ever left the actual memory card of 2642 02:17:31.600 --> 02:17:32.079 the camera. 2643 02:17:35.799 --> 02:17:38.479 That'sious. Robert takes his privacy. 2644 02:17:38.559 --> 02:17:42.159 He's like, you don't have to print it, Apparently you 2645 02:17:42.159 --> 02:17:44.200 just have to have it on, you know, on a 2646 02:17:44.239 --> 02:17:46.760 memory card, apparently roding away in the back of a 2647 02:17:46.799 --> 02:17:47.520 closet somewhere. 2648 02:17:47.520 --> 02:17:50.959 I'm sure, hey, quick question. Something I heard that might 2649 02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:51.879 be total bullshit. 2650 02:17:52.639 --> 02:17:54.760 If you cut your hair on a full moon or 2651 02:17:54.799 --> 02:17:57.479 something like, when are you you're only supposed to cut 2652 02:17:57.479 --> 02:17:58.680 your hair on certain days? 2653 02:17:58.799 --> 02:18:01.079 I have a hair coming up. This is per. 2654 02:18:01.360 --> 02:18:05.559 Information waning Julia waning always on a waning. 2655 02:18:06.280 --> 02:18:08.799 Is one coming up? Because I have a hair appointment. 2656 02:18:11.239 --> 02:18:14.120 Right now. I think it's I think it is wedding currently. 2657 02:18:14.280 --> 02:18:17.120 Actually, oh, thank god, I need a good haircut. 2658 02:18:17.719 --> 02:18:17.959 Yeah. 2659 02:18:18.000 --> 02:18:20.920 There you go saying it's been years since I've gotten 2660 02:18:20.920 --> 02:18:23.000 a good haircut, and I feel like it's always because 2661 02:18:23.000 --> 02:18:24.280 I get it cut at the wrong time. 2662 02:18:24.559 --> 02:18:26.639 Somebody told me this last time. I said, every time 2663 02:18:26.680 --> 02:18:27.920 I go, I get a shitty. 2664 02:18:27.559 --> 02:18:30.479 Fucking haircut, and they said it's because you're only supposed 2665 02:18:30.520 --> 02:18:34.399 to cut your hair on the waning moon. I didn't 2666 02:18:34.479 --> 02:18:37.840 couldn't remember which one it was, but I just you know, 2667 02:18:37.879 --> 02:18:39.719 if there's anything to that, I think I want to 2668 02:18:39.760 --> 02:18:40.520 do it next time. 2669 02:18:40.920 --> 02:18:42.440 Yeah, that's that's old. 2670 02:18:42.239 --> 02:18:46.159 Astrology, definitely, let us know how that goes. 2671 02:18:50.399 --> 02:18:53.159 Never on, you never cut your hair on a dark moon, 2672 02:18:53.879 --> 02:18:56.479 and usually what you do is you collect the. 2673 02:18:56.440 --> 02:18:57.360 Hair and then you burn it. 2674 02:18:57.360 --> 02:18:59.479 If you want to be really old school, you collect 2675 02:18:59.520 --> 02:19:01.719 the hair offt like after they sweep it up. 2676 02:19:01.719 --> 02:19:03.840 You don't want them take it any burning yourself. 2677 02:19:05.440 --> 02:19:09.719 See what happened was Nick cut his hair on a 2678 02:19:09.799 --> 02:19:12.280 dark moon and now never grow back. 2679 02:19:12.440 --> 02:19:19.399 So for the barber shave and yeah that's what's. 2680 02:19:21.360 --> 02:19:24.959 Well on this dark Yeah, this was so great. Thanks 2681 02:19:24.959 --> 02:19:25.479 for letting me. 2682 02:19:29.959 --> 02:19:30.520 Questions. 2683 02:19:30.799 --> 02:19:35.120 Yes, oh yeah. 2684 02:19:35.159 --> 02:19:39.079 Before we wrap it up, I'll let everybody plug themselves again. Heidi, 2685 02:19:39.159 --> 02:19:41.000 let everybody know what is up with your show? Please? 2686 02:19:42.319 --> 02:19:44.760 I am Heidi love of the Unfiltered Ice. I'm everywhere 2687 02:19:44.799 --> 02:19:47.719 podcast are served. I do have my own website, Unfiltered 2688 02:19:47.719 --> 02:19:50.399 Ice podcast dot com. Come check me out. I'd love 2689 02:19:50.440 --> 02:19:53.520 to see you and thank you everyone for the chat. 2690 02:19:53.559 --> 02:19:56.879 Thank you Celest and JJ vance. 2691 02:19:59.639 --> 02:20:03.200 JJ advanced us for operation GCD not not the vice 2692 02:20:03.239 --> 02:20:06.159 president when it comes back on the screen. So that's 2693 02:20:06.159 --> 02:20:08.760 great to meet you. It's a great conversation. I will 2694 02:20:08.799 --> 02:20:11.200 have to get to next your contact information from Nick 2695 02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:14.719 to talk Robert, the Doll Curse and whatnot. But thoroughly 2696 02:20:14.799 --> 02:20:18.479 enjoyed the conversation and Jen, Heidi, Julie always great. 2697 02:20:18.559 --> 02:20:21.760 Nick, appreciate the invite as always awesome. 2698 02:20:22.079 --> 02:20:24.840 Thank you very much, sir. And then we'll go with 2699 02:20:25.319 --> 02:20:27.680 Cosmic Peach Julia, what is up? 2700 02:20:28.520 --> 02:20:34.079 Yeah, I'm everywhere and nowhere. I'm a ghost of podcasting. 2701 02:20:35.040 --> 02:20:37.000 But if you want to work with me the way 2702 02:20:37.040 --> 02:20:39.479 you can do that is go to my Instagram page, 2703 02:20:39.520 --> 02:20:42.479 Cosmic dot Peach dot podcast. I have my link tree there. 2704 02:20:42.559 --> 02:20:45.559 Send me an email if you want to be on 2705 02:20:45.600 --> 02:20:49.040 my show or have me on your show. That that's 2706 02:20:49.079 --> 02:20:52.120 the best way to contact me. Thanks again, Nick for 2707 02:20:52.159 --> 02:20:56.639 having me on Celestial Lovely. I enjoyed our conversation and 2708 02:20:56.719 --> 02:20:57.479 I learned a lot. 2709 02:20:57.719 --> 02:21:02.079 Thanks awesome, that's great. That's great. And Jin the Ninja. 2710 02:21:02.399 --> 02:21:04.520 Please make sure you play yourselves since you were in 2711 02:21:04.559 --> 02:21:05.200 here at the beginning. 2712 02:21:06.239 --> 02:21:08.680 Thank you so much, Nick, thank you, Heidi, thank you, JJ, 2713 02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:11.520 thank you, Julia and celest you were a great guest. 2714 02:21:11.559 --> 02:21:15.840 I just will say thank you and awesome, great show 2715 02:21:16.959 --> 02:21:20.159 as we've all done lately because I've obviously podcasted with 2716 02:21:20.239 --> 02:21:22.840 all of you frequently in the last few months. 2717 02:21:22.840 --> 02:21:25.520 So thank you. And I just did an episode with Heidi, 2718 02:21:25.600 --> 02:21:28.360 and tomorrow I'm on with JJ and Nick and Julia 2719 02:21:28.760 --> 02:21:29.360 and we're. 2720 02:21:29.120 --> 02:21:34.719 Doing Wednesday Wednesday Wednesday Call, Yes, I remember Wednesday, and 2721 02:21:34.760 --> 02:21:35.440 I won't be late. 2722 02:21:36.440 --> 02:21:37.920 So I just dropped. 2723 02:21:39.239 --> 02:21:41.399 I'll be early, I'll be early, And I just dropped 2724 02:21:41.399 --> 02:21:44.959 a three part series on my show on Ralph Bakshi. 2725 02:21:45.159 --> 02:21:48.639 So we did Fire and Ice, American Pop. 2726 02:21:49.079 --> 02:21:52.719 And Wizards, so I did the Kabala, so I went, really, 2727 02:21:52.879 --> 02:21:56.799 if you're into schizo Kabbala, looking at the colors, archetypes, 2728 02:21:57.159 --> 02:22:00.600 talking about like maybe a little teama, a little you know, 2729 02:22:00.760 --> 02:22:03.600 like obviously I got into Kenneth Grant because it's impossible 2730 02:22:03.639 --> 02:22:08.280 to discuss those films without it. Yeah, so that just 2731 02:22:08.360 --> 02:22:11.040 dropped on my feed. I have lots of episodes coming out. 2732 02:22:11.040 --> 02:22:13.760 I just dropped the episode I did with JJ on 2733 02:22:13.799 --> 02:22:16.760 Big Trouble in Little China, which is my personally. 2734 02:22:16.840 --> 02:22:19.159 I think it was a great episode. So yeah, that 2735 02:22:19.239 --> 02:22:20.719 just dropped on my feed. So you can check me out. 2736 02:22:20.760 --> 02:22:25.639 Threshold Saints twitter at wu Kanri born in ig At. 2737 02:22:25.799 --> 02:22:28.440 Threshold Saints and I were the Gray Lodge, so one 2738 02:22:28.440 --> 02:22:31.239 of my spaces. We actually have a YouTube channel. Now 2739 02:22:31.600 --> 02:22:33.520 I'm not running it. I have nothing to do with it, 2740 02:22:33.559 --> 02:22:36.719 but one of the boys started us a YouTube channel 2741 02:22:36.760 --> 02:22:39.440 so we can put our lives. We do these for 2742 02:22:39.479 --> 02:22:43.120 the Friday night Gnastic Mass, so we have been doing 2743 02:22:43.159 --> 02:22:44.440 speculative narcissism. 2744 02:22:44.600 --> 02:22:49.440 So yeah, so if you're interested, check it out. Thanks guys, thank. 2745 02:22:49.280 --> 02:22:52.639 You, and finally Celeste, yes, thank you very much. 2746 02:22:52.680 --> 02:22:54.200 Yeah, let me get let me get this out quick. 2747 02:22:54.280 --> 02:22:58.200 My camera keeps freezing the Internet over it. So yeah, 2748 02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:00.840 you could find me. I have a website last Mott 2749 02:23:00.959 --> 02:23:03.000 m o tt dot com. That's how you can book 2750 02:23:03.040 --> 02:23:05.559 with me if you want to partake in my services. 2751 02:23:06.239 --> 02:23:09.239 But I'm also on Instagram at Celeste Mott and TikTok 2752 02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:15.000 at Celeste Moth with an h yeah, thank you so much. 2753 02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:16.680 By the way, I've like got away from myself there. 2754 02:23:16.680 --> 02:23:18.360 Thanks for letting me be on. This was a blast. 2755 02:23:18.360 --> 02:23:21.399 I had a really good time same listen. 2756 02:23:21.479 --> 02:23:24.440 Yeah, no, I have had a blast too. Uh. Thank 2757 02:23:24.479 --> 02:23:27.479 you everybody who joined. I really had a good time tonight. 2758 02:23:27.559 --> 02:23:29.879 And thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's up. 2759 02:23:29.920 --> 02:23:31.280 There was a bunch of you in there, I guess 2760 02:23:31.319 --> 02:23:33.920 from you know, old channels too. I really appreciate the 2761 02:23:33.959 --> 02:23:36.559 comments and the you know, the questions and stuff and that. 2762 02:23:37.479 --> 02:23:40.120 Uh yeah, and until the next one, everybody else 2763 02:23:40.239 --> 02:23:41.600 You will yea