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Speaker 2: The countdown is on to fight time.

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Speaker 3: This is Big Fight Weekend. No. Here is your host, TJ. Lee.

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Speaker 4: Well, we are ready to go with whatever this is

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about to be with the Jake Paul Mike Tyson main

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event and the MVP Promotions card on a Friday.

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Speaker 3: Night at at and T Stadium in North Texas.

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Speaker 4: We also have Latino Knights in Saudi Arabia of course,

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with Zerdo Ramirez and Chris Billum Smith headlining Cruiserweight World

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Unification title fin Another couple of title fights on that

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card as well. We are all about the previewing on

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the Big Fight Weekend preview. I am the somewhat competent host, TJ.

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Speaker 3: Reeves. He is our insider man. Has he been hustling? Hello?

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Speaker 4: Dan Rayfiel from the Fight, Freak Night, Substack a Big

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Fight Weekend dot Com. Good to be with you, And

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as we release this podcast Thursday night into Friday, we

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are on the eve right now, but if they're hearing

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us Friday morning, it's already fight day on the return

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of Mike Tyson at fifty eight years old, ready to

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get in the ring with Jake Paul.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 4: How are things? As we're counting down to fight time

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coming up? As we release this.

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Speaker 2: Um, like everybody else, I'm waiting to see what this

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thing is gonna be. What can I say? I mean,

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I'll tell you, I'll tell you what it is. Though

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I know this it's a big deal. And I tell

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you that because I've been doing more radio interviews and

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requests from people for comments and talking about this fight

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than I have been for any other fight a long time.

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I've done radio interviews in the UK, Canada, a couple

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places in the United States, Australia. There's people all around

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the world that want to talk about this fight. So

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say whatever you want about Jake Paul against Mike Tyson,

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freak show, side show, real fight, fake fight, whatever you

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want to call it. There's a lot of people that

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are interested.

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Speaker 4: There is definitely an audience and an appetite, So we're

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going to talk about that more very intriguing co feature

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fight that we will break down. As I mentioned the

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card in Saudi Arabia Saturday afternoon US time from read

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season the Latino Night, Oscar de la Hoya's Golden Boy

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Promotions partnering up with that, We've got news. Dan has

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pinned down the Bena Vetez match up with David Morrell.

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Speaker 3: Stand by for that. How's that for a tee?

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Speaker 4: Some great nostalgia on holy Field Bow one, and much

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more plenty. By the way, I'm bowing to you already,

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by the way, follow subscribe Apple Spreaker, Spotify give us

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a five star review because I'm bowing to Rayfield. You

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hustled and you saw your rabia. I don't know what

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time you pulled it off because the time difference. What

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are they six ahead of Eastern time right now? Thanks

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seven to even ahead of Eastern time you pulled off

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interviewing Chris Billum Smith and we put it up on

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the podcast feed as it turns out for Thursday, uh

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here midweek as he gets ready to fight Zerdo Ramirez.

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Nice job with that we'll talk more about that in

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and around the fight. But this is Rayfiel list. Is

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why they got to be following and subscribing because you

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needed no other prompt You got that notification that that

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Speaker 2: I'll let them know. Normally when we do interviews, my

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way of doing it that I if I could do

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it my way every time is you do the interview

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with the fighter or whoever is involved with whatever you're

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ahead of, right, and you play the interview about you know,

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on our show the Thursday into Friday, the week before

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the fight, so it's time to breathe and it's not

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h you know, at the last minute, and you know,

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was insightful. I think he let it roll right off

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his back a couple of times where you said, hey,

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you keep being you know, counted out figuratively not literally

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in the ring. You're an underdog again, and he said, hey,

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I understand why. I understand people don't know enough about me,

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soccer fan, buying tickets season tickets to watch Bonermouth play

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uh football or soccer, and then he got to headline

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a championship fight card in that stadium.

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Speaker 2: He's tough. He's got some unbelievable fans. I mean, you

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know that that part of England where he's from, as

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a local legend and they really really support him. So

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about him have probably made the flight from England to

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awfully good guy. I've known Zerto for many years in

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an interview many times, also a good guy. And uh,

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hopefully they put on a great fight, which we're gonna

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well talk about that in a bit, all right,

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So let's get to and I'm with you, there's intrigue whatever.

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This is gonna be the good news, as you keep saying,

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it's not a pay per view. If you have standard

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Netflix that you subscribe to, you'll be able to see

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this on Friday. So just as a pull a curtain back,

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they're having the ceremonial way in tonight as we are

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doing this, as we're taping this for Jake Paul and

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Mike Tyson as well as Amanda Serrano, Katie Taylor, all

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the undercard fights that are going on. Again, I rechecked

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with not one Dan and you got sources too, but

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two people that said this is nuts on the third

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level tickets, the standing room only tickets. They have moved

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a lot of tickets this week. I don't know what

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be surprised if it is seventy five or eighty thousand

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Speaker 3: Let's see, let's see what the truth are. Maybe they're lying.

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Speaker 2: Talking to the folks that are putting on the event.

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gate in terms of the ticket sales will exceed sixteen

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million dollars. And why that's a big deal. Well, it's

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a big deal no matter where you have a boxing event.

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a gate sixteen million dollars or more outside of Las Vegas,

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boxing event that didn't take place in Las Vegas in

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terms of the United States. So that's pretty a big deal.

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fought Billy Joe Saunders at at and T Stadium, same

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venue and they drew a crowd which broke the American

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indoor record of seventy six thousand plus, which maybe this

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Tyson and Jake Paul fight could potentially challenge the gate

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for the fight. Though the ticket sales was like shy

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of ten million, it was like in the nine plus million,

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which is nothing to sneeze.

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Speaker 3: That's STI not insignificant. Yeah, it's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: You know, when Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield fought to

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a draw in that terrible decision in their first fight

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for the undisputed heavyweight title in New York City, Off

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gate for that fight was somewhere This is nineteen ninety eight,

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big time back then. It would not seem that big now,

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that fight, and for this to do in that possibly

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fifteen sixteen or more, that's a big deal. Whether you

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whether you like the idea of a twenty seven year

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older taking it out on a fifty eight year old

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senior citizen, that's a different ball.

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Speaker 4: Game, all right, And we'll get into that in a

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more than that, is what you're telling me. And some

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of the other big time fights, whether they be at the.

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that level. But the thing about it is, at the

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time that Tyson fought Michael Spinks, that was the biggest

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money fight ever and then it was broken, and you know, broken,

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and it's been broken and broken and broken. Now it's

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going to be a long time till that record's broke

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ever in terms of the biggest fight in history, in

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terms of overall revenue, pay per view and gate which

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is Mayweather versus Pakyaw, which generated like six hundred and

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fifty million dollars in total, and the gate the tickets

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house were like seventy five million dollars. So but nonetheless,

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for a novice professional like Jake Paul and a man

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in Tyson who is iconic but hasn't had a real

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fight in nineteen years and five months. That's and he's

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fifty eight years old, it is quite a testament to

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long Tyson has been out? Let me ask it this way,

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and we'll get into the fight just a little bit,

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because we're gonna break it down more on the bet

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Us Show on Friday on what we think might happen

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on fight day later on Friday.

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Speaker 3: As you're hearing us on Friday at one.

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Speaker 4: Eastern time, does it surprise you in the least, because

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I am still surprised at this point that this was

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allowed to go on, with the age discrepancy, with Tyson's

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known hell problems. It just it does surprise me a

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little bit that we've gotten here. It appears we've gotten

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here to fight, and I it does surprise me in

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the least. It's easy to say now if you were

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to say, hey, I'm not surprised at all, But what

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about you, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: I'm not that surprised because A it's Texas, where you

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know they pretty much approve anything. B. Tyson has taken

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the requisite medical requirements, and from my understanding, is compared

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to if it was just an like Jake Paul getting

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a license in Texas is one thing who was fought

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there before and no issues. He's twenty seven, he's a

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young man, he's strong, obviously healthy in terms of Tyson.

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The physical things that they asked him to do in

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his tests that he had to take were what you

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would call enhanced tests. In other words, he had to

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go through a little bit more of a detailed battery

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than your average boxer because of his age and because

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of his length of time out of the ring. So again,

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by all, they didn't give me those results, but what

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they've told me is that, yeah, no, he did the

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tests and there was no particular red flags and he's

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good to go. So we'll see what happens now. I

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will say this from looking at the photos. I saw

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him like shirtless, standing at the at the scale and

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that sort of thing. I mean, he looks strong and

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in good condition. He looks fit, and it's not that

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long ago where he boxed Roy Jones. Now granted that

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was an exhibition and they weren't trying to go for

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it and they were of similar ages and such, right,

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so I feel like Tyson's in at least good condition

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for a man that's fifty eight years old who hasn't

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done this sport in anofficial basis anyway in quite a

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long time. But more realistically, he was in the ring

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against Roy Jones, although not an official fight. Listen, the

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last time that Tyson had a real fight quote unquote

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real fight was in two thousand and five, when Jake

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Paul was eight years old. So that should tell you

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the discrepancy. There's a thirty one year age difference between

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these two men. I mean, that's pretty wild.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, there's probably an argument that, as

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Tyson was in his heyday in the late nineties, had

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the Paul parents even met located at Jake's parents.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's how crazy it is. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have to believe it's got maybe if

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somebody else could come up with the one that I'm

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not thinking about. But I have to believe that the

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thirty one year age discrepancy between these two guys has

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to be a record in boxing for.

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Speaker 4: The most well, because there's some commissions to this point.

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There's some commissions that don't let it go on if

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it's even more than a ten year age discrepancy in

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terms of like a forty plus year old, and are

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they fighting another late thirties or forty year old as

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opposed to fighting a twenty something year old, because I

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remember they ran into this with one of these cards

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where Antonio Tarvor Tarbor times shout out to him if

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he hears this, he was trying to fight somebody. And

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I want to say it was the Florida Commission that said, no,

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you're in your late forties and who you're fighting is

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in his late twenties and it's too big a discrepancy

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and you're not fighting him, So that that would be

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one hindrance.

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Speaker 3: But go ahead.

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Speaker 2: All the stuff going on with the commission that's been

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dealt with. I mean, whether again I've said this a

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thousand times, whether you like it or you don't like it.

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This fight is happening. They've done what they need to

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do with requirement wise, and what's going to be is

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going to be. And if something bad happens, it's on

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the commission, not on you, not on me, and not

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anybody that's going to tune in. I mean, let's be honest,

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there's a lot of people want to tune into this

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not because they want to see a great boxing match.

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They're looking for a train wreck. They want to see

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a fucking disaster. I mean, I hope that doesn't happen

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because I don't want to see a Tyson get hurt,

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and I don't want to see Jake Paul get hurt.

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I hope they give us an entertaining fight and whatever

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the result is, there's a definitive winner of the fight,

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and everybody you know, moves on with their life the

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next day.

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Speaker 4: And repeat and repeat again. They've modified the rules. Go

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over it here for those that are not fully aware of.

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Speaker 2: So okay, so it's an official fight they will count

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on their records. It's an eight rounder. That's not unusual.

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I mean for a main event, maybe it's slightly unusual,

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but eight rounders and men's boxing is normal. Granted it's

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not a ten or twelve. That's obviously a nod to

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the experienced level of Paul in the age of Tyson.

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eight rounders. He's only had actually one schedule ten round fight.

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That was the fight against Nate Diaz that took place

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also in Texas in twenty twenty three, a fight that

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he won, you know, pretty convincingly, so he can go

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to ten rounds if necessary. But they made an round fight.

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But more significantly, they've dropped the time of rounds from

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three minutes, which is standard, to two minutes. Clearly a

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nod to the age of Tyson. That was probably something

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that was required by the commission to a sanction it officially.

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And they also went from the standard heavyweight gloves, which

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in virtually every commission there is would be ten ounce gloves.

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They've decided to do with the fourteen ounce gloves, which

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would be more like the kind of gloves you would

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spar in. You know, obviously means there's going to be

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even though the gloves are heavier, theoretically they would do

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less damaging to get hit because there's more padding on

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the gloves, So I'm not sure who that necessarily helps,

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because Jake's a really punch a really good puncher when

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you'd watch him, not guys out. And obviously Tyson is

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famous for being one of the biggest punchers in the

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history of the heavyweight division, although he hasn't had the

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opportunity to do that because he hasn't had fights that

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were counting for the last twenty years almost. So I

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feel like the fourteen ounce gloves thing, that's a wash.

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It doesn't really I don't think that helps or hurts

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either guy. The length of the rounds is I think

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definitely a help for Tyson. You know, who's gassed after

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you know, one three minute around, you know, back in

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the day. I mean again, I come at this because

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unlike most people who are probably going to tune in,

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even if there are folks that remember the heyday of

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Tyson the baddest man on the planet, big knockouts against

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Burbick and Biggs and Tony Tubbs and you know, the

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razor Ruddick in the first fight, and I mean you

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can go on and on Selden and Frank Bruno twice,

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et cetera. Even Clifford atn at the end of his

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career in forty nine seconds. I covered Tyson at the

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end of the career, and I was there ringside and

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dealt with him a lot, was around him a lot

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and covered those fights. And again I'm always as a

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Tyson fan. But even in those days, Andrew Gallatta, you know,

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two thousand, two thousand and one, two thousand and three,

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all the way to the mcbriden oh five, Mike was

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already a shot guy. He already didn't have the heart

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to fight anymore. He already kept quitting, he already got

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knocked out multiple times. And I'm just here to say

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that twenty years later, it does get better, like you

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don't get better now. He may have a better mindset now.

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He made the point to me in our interview that

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we played on the podcast a couple episodes ago that

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at the time that he had fought Kevin McBride and

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he retired on his stool, quit in that fight, and

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then retired from boxing at the press converts and did

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not come back for a real fight until the one

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coming up, although he did have two exhibitions, one in

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six and the Roy Jones won in twenty twenty. You know,

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he said, and he remembered the conversation that we sat

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there at the dais after the fight, and he went

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on and on and on and out. He never wants

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to put on gloves again, hates the smell of the gym,

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has no has no heart for this anymore, doesn't love it,

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hates it in fact, et cetera. And I asked him,

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what change? He said, times change. I don't feel that

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way anymore. Remember at that time he was doing cocaine. Yeah,

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doing all kinds of drugs. He told you that.

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Speaker 4: He said, I was heavy into drugs. I was heavy

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into alcohol. That was my life.

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Speaker 2: So I think now he's not doing cocaine, and I

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don't think he's drinking. He smokes weed, but that's not

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you know, like doing coke and getting liquored up all

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the time. So his attitude, you know, as he said,

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my relationship with myself is different, My relationship with God

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is different. And so maybe he has some element of

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hunger and a desire back. As he said, he wanted

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to get out of his comfort zone a little bit.

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And that's doing a boxing match for the first time

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in twenty years. That's going to count against a young guy.

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But even still. I just am a strong believer, having

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washed and covered boxing for most of my life that

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if you were a shot guy at thirty six, thirty five, right,

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thirty seven, whatever he was thirty eight when he fought

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McBride in The Last Fighter thirty seven, nineteen twenty years later,

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you're not going to be better even if you if

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you hadn't fought, and you know, if you had fought,

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he won't be better. And now having all the time

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away from the ring, he's not going to be better.

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Speaker 4: Let me give you one reference point. And we were

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talking about this, We've been talking about these different comebacks

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and different guys. When he Vander Holyfield came back trying

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to join in with all the different fighters and back

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Tyson coming back having fought Roy Jones, some of the

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others that want to fight, et cetera. Holy Field was training.

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They put the videos out and he looked sharp, and

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they showed him sparring and they showed him shadow boxing,

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and when he got in the ring, it was what

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Vitor bell fort is the guy's name, the former UFC

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fighter Holyfield. I'm gonna stress it because it's audio was

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in so lo motion. When the bell rang because it's

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a totally different thing than shadow boxing.

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Speaker 2: And training and more importantly.

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Speaker 4: And you're fifty eight years old and you were done

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twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: He got knocked the fuck out in the first round.

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Speaker 4: Well correct, he got rocked, but he when the fight began,

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you could tell he was a step or two behind

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from being a step for two behind. And that's father time.

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And so that's what you're saying. I don't know to

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what extent that's gonna be with Tyson. I will tell

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you this, it will surprise me greatly and we'll.

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Speaker 3: Talk about it more on the bet Us Show.

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Speaker 4: If we get to the back half of this fight,

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for whatever reason, because of stamina, punching power, it will

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surprise me. If we get to the back half of

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this fight, that.

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Speaker 2: Part of wellme in it round. So that's a rat.

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Speaker 3: But still still I agree, I mean, just my thought.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like Mike, you know, I'm not I'm

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not disappointed that he's giving it a try. Number One,

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he's being paid huge amounts of money, that's correct. You know,

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he can say whatever he wants and the money's not

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going to change his life. But I never knew Mike

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Tyson to do boxing matches for free first of all.

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Second of all, you know the money aside. I suspect

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he'll try for a period of time, but he has

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in his background, uh, several fights where he quit slat out.

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And I'm not saying that to be insulting of Mike.

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I'm a Tyson fan. He can't deny the facts and

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the reality. And if the if the tough, If if

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the going gets tough, Mike Tyson knows how to quit.

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Now there's different ways he can quit. He quit against

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Evander Holyfield by trying to bite his ear off. I'm

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hopefully he won't try to bite off any part Jake

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Jake Paul's body.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But I believe strongly that there's a large group of

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people who will be interested to tune into this fight

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a because they have memories of the great Mike Tyson

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in the heyday, which is a zillion years ago. And

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then there's another group of people who just want to

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just tune in for a train wreck, like you watch

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a Robert like you'd be passing a car accident on

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the highway.

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Speaker 4: And look at the same reason they watch NASCAR, the

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same reason they watch pro wresting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I got you.

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Speaker 2: We're we're gonna see. I mean, the upset will be

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if it turns out to just be a normal boxing

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match and you know, attack the you know fight and loses.

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Speaker 4: There's a real chance this is more on the bet

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Us show with what we're going to handicap, that this

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could be a very sloppy, boring fight too.

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Speaker 3: We don't we don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with that, because you

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don't really see I have.

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Speaker 4: I have been at two different Jake Paul fights in person,

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have watched virtually all of them. He fights sloppily and

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fights sloppy. There's a real chance this could be a

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sloppy fight.

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Speaker 2: But stoppy does not does not translate to not entertaining.

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Speaker 4: I didn't say entertainment, I said sloppy. So let's see,

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let's see.

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Speaker 2: If proppy is to be expected when one guy hasn't

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caught for twenty years and the other guy isn't a

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refined fighter. But the main thing to me is are

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we going to get entertainment value or are we going

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to get a train wreck?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we gave you a lot on that again, if.

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Speaker 2: You believe we're talking about a Mike yes.

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Speaker 3: Once once I heard him with you on the pod.

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Speaker 4: Like I said last week, I'm like, this is becoming

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a reality, and now here we are to fight week.

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He's really there and here we are. We have lived

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long enough to see it. The Texas Commission, as you said,

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is going to allow it and green light it, and

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now it's going to happen. So all right, well, handicap

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that more. Dare I say that the co feature fight

474
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which we've been waiting for this rematch for a couple

475
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of years now, and for various reasons, it hasn't happened

476
00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:56,599
until now. I believe my opinion, this is the most

477
00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:01,599
intriguing fight of the weekend, Amanda Serrano Katie Taylor for

478
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:07,079
a great first fight, undisputed belts on the line. I mean, again,

479
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,640
say what you want about women's boxing. I am the

480
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,880
most intrigued, is me saying this, and I want your

481
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take and take off.

482
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Speaker 3: I'm the most intrigued by.

483
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Speaker 4: All of the fights, including Paul and Tyson, by this

484
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fight by Serrano and Taylor. Go.

485
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Speaker 2: I can understand that mentality. I'm not shocked to hear

486
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,519
you say that. I'm sure there's plenty of other folks

487
00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:28,759
that have similar feelings about it. I'm interested in this

488
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,640
fight too. I mean, I'm interested in Tyson and Jake

489
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,640
Paul for different reasons. I'm certainly interested in the Zerdo

490
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,480
Bill and Smith unification fight. I'm interested in Oscar Colaso

491
00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:41,839
against your boy, Nelmatrong unification fight that's on the same

492
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:42,759
card in Saudi.

493
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Speaker 4: Excuse me, cep CP Freshmarch say it right, I got you.

494
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of good fights this weekend, but yeah,

495
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Serrano and Taylor is a high class fight. My perspective

496
00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:53,960
has been in doing some of these different radio interviews.

497
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,599
I'll say it the same as I've said it on

498
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,519
those shows. I'll say it right now, is that if

499
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you watch the Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight, we already

500
00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:01,839
know it's not a pay per view, so that's a

501
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,640
good thing. And if in fact it does turn out

502
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,440
to be a train wreck or some kind of, you know,

503
00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:09,000
forgettable type of situation, that the highlight is going to be,

504
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,720
We're going to see him haind to Serrano against Katie

505
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,000
Taylor in a rematch. They had a fantastic fight in

506
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:16,920
April of twenty twenty two, hugely popular fight sold out

507
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,200
Madison Square Guarden as the first ever women's boxers to

508
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,039
headline in that hallowed building, put on a fight for

509
00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:25,440
the ages. It's you know, I think most people would say,

510
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:29,319
without even exaggerating, best women's fight we've ever seen in

511
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,400
the history of women's boxing. Katie Taylor, she retained anyway,

512
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,000
the undisputed women's lightweight title, super close split decision loss.

513
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,319
Katie Taylor was almost out of there in round five,

514
00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:41,920
she survived Serrano. They went back and forth and then

515
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:44,480
all out war. It's been a long time coming to

516
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get the rematch. At one point it was made and

517
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,440
then it was postponed because Katie had an injury, so

518
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they cancel it and so instead what happened was Katie

519
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,279
ended up fighting moving up and wait and fighting shantel

520
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:58,000
camera and suffered a first loss. Challenging for the undisputed

521
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,920
junior alterweight title. They got the immediate match, and this

522
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:03,200
time around she won the close decision and got the

523
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:05,960
undisputed title. So now Serrano, who is still by the way,

524
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,160
the unified featherweight women's champs, shed she gave up one

525
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,160
of those belts because of her disagreements with the WBC

526
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:13,960
over the length of round she wants to go three

527
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,119
minutes in this fight. It will be two minutes because

528
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,839
obviously Katie is the champion and she got to dictate

529
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,400
some of those rules. In any event, they're fighting now

530
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,640
for her undisputed junior walterweight championship. It's as good of

531
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,359
a fight as you can have in women's boxing. There's

532
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,039
a story there, there's history between them. They're both respectful

533
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:33,119
of each other for sure, and they both know how

534
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,559
to fight their asses off. They're both going to be

535
00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:37,440
in Hall of Fame someday, and this is in many ways,

536
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,599
I look at this fight as sort of like the

537
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:43,640
end of that era sort of because both of Katie

538
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,759
and Amanda are not there. You know, their best days

539
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,119
are probably past them. They're a little older at this point,

540
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,160
and they were able to create some huge interest in

541
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,720
women's boxing as the two main names over the last

542
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,039
few years. So even if they both go on to

543
00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:01,680
continue their careers in big fights after this, it's more

544
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:04,680
down the backside of the mountain as opposed to still

545
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,599
in the upswing. But I suspect they're gonna put another

546
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:10,200
great fight. They've been tremendous during the build up to

547
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,039
the fight. They both look like they're in good shape.

548
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:14,440
They both are saying all the right things and you know,

549
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,720
and they usually don't disappoint. Katie's been in some unbelievable fights,

550
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,799
both Cameron fights, the first fight against against Amanda. A

551
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:22,440
man has been in a whole bunch of good fights.

552
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,920
One thing to remember TJ, by the way, also is this,

553
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,319
even though Amanda is moving up three weight classes from

554
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,319
featherweight to junior welterweight to try to take these belts,

555
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:33,119
she did fight back several years ago for a one

556
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,759
shot deal. She did fight in the one hundred and forty

557
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,759
pound division, and she actually won a world title and

558
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,920
then immediately vacated and went back down and wait, so

559
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:42,839
she won't be able to add another division to her

560
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,519
already record number of weight classes where she's won a title.

561
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,039
She's with the women's record holder seven different weight classes

562
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:51,640
that she has won titles in. But I see no

563
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,559
way that this fight can't be entertaining. I mean, whether

564
00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:54,920
it goes one round or ten rounds.

565
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,799
Speaker 4: This is one of the rare times though, when I

566
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:58,480
get to say to brother Rayfield in the Big Fight

567
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Weekend preview pod that I was in the arena the

568
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,119
last time that Serrano was in the ring, and she

569
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,759
dispatched Tampa's Stevie Morgan, who was anonymous going in and

570
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:10,000
almost is anonymous going right back out. With what Serrano

571
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,359
did inside of two rounds, inside of two two minute rounds,

572
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,519
I think we'll get a little more in this one.

573
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:19,680
You and I will handicap it further. I am genuinely intrigued,

574
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,880
and I don't know the answer which way you're gonna go.

575
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,519
I know which way I'm gonna go with this one.

576
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:29,359
And it might surprise some people as to the outcome.

577
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,279
Speaker 2: Though, you know, because number one Kate, like Amanda, when

578
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,680
the July fight was, when when Tyson and Jake were

579
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:39,519
postponed from July because of Tyson's ulcer. Remember, as you mentioned,

580
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:43,400
Stevie Morgan fought Amanda and and Uh Jake.

581
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,519
Speaker 4: Hastily, They hastily put the car together in Tampa, right.

582
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,519
Speaker 2: Right, so they moved the fight from AT and T Stadium.

583
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,880
They both fought. Jake fought the BKFC guy, Mike Perry.

584
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,640
Amanda knocked out Stevie Uh in that fight, and Katie

585
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,480
Taylor opted to not fight. She decided to off. So

586
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,839
while since the first out between them happened. Amanda has

587
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:07,920
fought what five times? Katie has only fought three times,

588
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,720
two brutally tough fights and one of them was a loss.

589
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:13,880
So and she's also at a little bit older than

590
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,599
Amanda Toronto. So I'm a little kind of like not

591
00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:19,160
sure which way I'm thinking about because of the one

592
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,799
of the women has been more active and is a

593
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:24,039
little bit younger, but the other ones, she's coming up

594
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,359
in wait, and it's like, I got a lot of

595
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,000
feelings about this, but I really don't know what to

596
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:28,400
make of it.

597
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,279
Speaker 4: All Right, we'll handicap it a little more on the

598
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:35,079
bet Usoi What else on this MVP promotion's Netflix card?

599
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,480
Give me a couple more moments on it, and then

600
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,400
we're gonna move on to Saturday and the Latino Night

601
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,319
card for riadd season with the Cruiserweight Unification main event

602
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,880
with Zerdo and Billim Smith.

603
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: What else from Friday Night? Real quick?

604
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,079
Speaker 2: Sure? I mean the Friday Night card. First of all,

605
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,799
all the preliminaries actually are not on Netflix, are on

606
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:55,480
the Netflix YouTube and also on the MVP YouTube. But

607
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:58,440
the main card is four fights, but we've talked about

608
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,200
the first two. The third one is also a notable fight,

609
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,799
which is the WBC's walterweight title holder, Mario Barrios, always

610
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:07,960
an exciting fighter from San Antonio, so who'll have Texas

611
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,960
in the house for him. He is making his first

612
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,839
defense against Albo Ramos. This is these are both PBC fighters,

613
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:16,160
and I like the fact that MVP was able to

614
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,160
go to PBC, which doesn't exactly have a ton of

615
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,039
dates going on, and we're able to make, you know,

616
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,240
an offer to get this done for their events. So

617
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,440
Barrios goes in there. You know, he looked pretty good

618
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,359
back in May when he fought on the Canelo Undercarney

619
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,440
defeated Fabian Madonna, the brother of Marcos Madonna, and you

620
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,440
know before that he had been or Dennis Ugast. Those

621
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,920
were interim title fights. But remember when Terence Crawford became

622
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,799
the undisputed champion and then obviously vacated and decided to

623
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:46,319
go up to one hundred fifty four pounds. Barrios did

624
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,880
not get a chance to fight Crawford, but he was

625
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,599
elevated from the interim champion to the regular champion. So

626
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,079
this is the first defense of that tentnle. Now, Ramos

627
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,000
is an experienced guy, he is the uncle of Jesus Ramos,

628
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,519
the excellent up and comer. But you know, he's not

629
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,720
exactly what I would look at as a legit top

630
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:05,000
type ten contender at this point in his career. Now,

631
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,920
he's been in some good fights, probably most notably gave

632
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:10,480
you or gave her Dennis Ugus a really close fight,

633
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,799
lost his split decision that was for at the time

634
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,079
a vacant title, and he has come you know, he

635
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,880
lost a couple of fights against Luke Santa Maria and

636
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,759
Cody Crowley, but he is coming off of a victory

637
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,799
that took place back in April of this year, and

638
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,359
so he's coming off that knockout victory. I know one

639
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,000
thing about Aba Ramos. Whatever you think about where he

640
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:31,720
is in terms of his either Lichigan, Dender this or that,

641
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,039
he always gives a great effort. So I suspect at

642
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,039
the end of the day, whatever happens, it will be

643
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,640
a highly entertaining fight as well. So you know, for

644
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:41,960
a third fight down the card that features Tyson, Jake

645
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,599
Paul and the great rematch between the women, this is

646
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,559
not a bad thing in my mind. So I hope

647
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,359
that the fans who watch on Netflix you know that

648
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,200
they tune in just not just for Tyson, that they

649
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,000
do tech checkout Barrios, that they do check out the

650
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:56,640
rematch between Taylor and Serrano.

651
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,359
Speaker 4: All good stuff. Okay, So that is the card in Texas.

652
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,240
Let's go halfway around the world from there to really

653
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,240
maybe more than that, to Saudi Arabia. And this is

654
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,039
the Golden Boy read seasoned des own card. It is

655
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:14,599
Latino night. It is Gilberto Zerto Ramirez. And even as

656
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:17,680
you joked with Chris Billem Smith, he's not Latino, He's English.

657
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,400
He is part of the main event for the WBA

658
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,759
WBO cruiserweight unification fight. Again, as we've detailed on this pod,

659
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:26,960
you talked to Bill Smith.

660
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: Interesting.

661
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: I will say this, he is not the most technically

662
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:36,640
sound fighter. He is not the most quick lightning fighter.

663
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,279
But he's gutsy, he punches hard, he takes a good punch.

664
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: I'm in. I'm in for this.

665
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,039
Speaker 4: It's an intriguing Saturday afternoon main event with Zerto Ramirez.

666
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:49,079
And part of my thinking is Zerto is a blown

667
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,920
up light heavyweight fighting at cruiserweight, and I don't know

668
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,680
if that shows up in this fight.

669
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,279
Speaker 3: BILLM.

670
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: Smith said to you he's fighting a legit cruiserweight now

671
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,640
in fighting him and I am the bigger guy. I

672
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,559
thought that was interesting as well. Are your thoughts?

673
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with that. I mean the reality

674
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,480
is Chris bill and Smith has been a cruiserweight his

675
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,839
entire career. Zerdo Amirez has been a top notch fighter.

676
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,079
But he won his first title as a super middleweight,

677
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,200
moved up and won a bunch of fights all light heavyweight.

678
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,400
But unfortunately for him, when he got time to fight

679
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,920
for the title, he had to take on Dmitri BiVO,

680
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,440
so there was no cherry picking there. He fight one

681
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,640
of the very best, not only light heavyweights fighters in

682
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,200
the whole dance sport, and then when he went to cruiserweight,

683
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:27,480
I'm not gonna say he cherry picked his title, but

684
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,319
he kind of cherry picked his title. I mean he

685
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:31,559
fought against Arson Gula Marian who was a pretty decent

686
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:33,759
fighter but and was undefeated, but it not really ever

687
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,839
fought anybody, had come off a massively long layoff and

688
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,359
just got played with by zerdo Ameres, who won very easily.

689
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,680
That was his fight back on March thirtieth of this year,

690
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:46,079
so he's only had two fights in the cruiserweight division.

691
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:48,720
One was a catchweight of like whatever was one ninety

692
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,319
two against Joe Smith, who was really a light heavyweight

693
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,039
at the tail end of his career. And then the

694
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,079
Gulmarian fight, which was at the full weight of two

695
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,079
hundred but a guy that was coming off a long,

696
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,799
long layoff. So we know Zerdo is a capable fighter,

697
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,359
always got long reach. We know he's got good skills.

698
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:05,000
He's a southpaw, he's got a pretty decent handspeed, and

699
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,759
we've never seen him really badly hurt in a fight.

700
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,920
But now he's taken on a real cruiserweight, you know.

701
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,920
And the thing I like about Zerto from the standpoint

702
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,680
of his mentality is I mean, yeah, he's focused, I believe,

703
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,160
on this fight with Bill and the Smith, but what

704
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,680
his desires are is to go well beyond that. He

705
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,119
wants to move up and for what it's worth at

706
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,000
least in terms of the WBA and the WBC. He says,

707
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:25,960
I want to win the Bridgerway title and then I

708
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,680
want to go to heavyweight. You know, he's a big boy.

709
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,400
But billim Smith, lifelong cruiserweight. As I said, in terms

710
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,119
of his boxing career, you mentioned about how he you know,

711
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,920
he may not be the fanciest guy, he always strikes

712
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,839
me as the Quintines central fighter. And these are guys

713
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:42,119
I love because I've had this conversation before. If I

714
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,799
had my choice, you give me the guy with the

715
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,799
B talent, but the A work ethic and the heart,

716
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:49,839
I take him any day over the guy with the

717
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,279
A talent but the B work ethic and Bill Smith

718
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,839
definitely works his ass off. He's a guy that gets

719
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,720
the most out of whatever his ability is. Other guys wasted.

720
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:01,759
He's not a guy who's wasted one ounce of it.

721
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,200
Because the fact that he became a world champion in

722
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,799
the first place is probably a miracle to a lot

723
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,920
of people. He was looked at for most of his career.

724
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,359
It's like, you know, good British level fighter, maybe European

725
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,079
level fighter. Well, then he went in there and he

726
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,599
beat Lawrence Okoli, was undefeated, knocked him down three times

727
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,519
and won the title close but won it. As I

728
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,240
mentioned on the podcast to him, I say, a lot

729
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,240
of people thought your fight when you defended against Masterneck,

730
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,559
that he would have a hell of a chance to win.

731
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,160
What happened knocked him the fuck out in the eighth round,

732
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,079
and then he went in with the guy who beat

733
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,359
him back a few years ago, handed him his only

734
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,240
lost Richard Rieko Pore who dropped Chris pillm Smith, and

735
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:37,799
he was considered a top contender, was undefeated in a

736
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,200
mandatory that took place in June and he beat him,

737
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,039
and that was taken on Ramirez.

738
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:48,359
Speaker 3: Well, and an overachiever comes to mind as well. But hey,

739
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,039
all of.

740
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: Those things lead you to this moment and unification with

741
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,319
Zerdo Ramirez, so that will be the main event again.

742
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,319
Will handicap that a little more on Friday's bet Us show.

743
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,440
So the undercard again is loaded with a lot of

744
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,000
Latino fighters out of the Golden Boys table. Some of

745
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,240
it you know, Keevin Farmer fighting Williams of Paeda for

746
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:11,599
example for the interim lightweight title, Jose Ramirez Arnold Barbosa.

747
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,800
And then we've got the strawweight unification that has Oscar

748
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:21,119
Colazzo out of Puerto Rico and CP freshmart Or, Niamtrong

749
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,679
the WBA Strawweight Champion, and Oscar de war Dam. And

750
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,079
this thing is loaded up on the the Go feature.

751
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: So what stands out well in terms of the Ramirez

752
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,480
and Barboza fight. They're both guys who were quality in

753
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,280
the one hundred and forty pound way class. Ramirez is

754
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,079
the former unified title holder. They both were with Top

755
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:40,519
Rank for most of their careers, but they've been with

756
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:42,840
Golden Boy last couple of fights. This was actually a

757
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,599
fight the Top Rank had tried to make and they

758
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:48,000
were they couldn't get it done. Obviously, when you got

759
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:50,440
Turkey Yoshik's money, it can kind of smooth things over

760
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,440
and make that happen. So they're doing this fight. And

761
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:55,880
the thing that's interesting is when the fight was announced,

762
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,159
it was announced as a as a WBO welterweight eliminator,

763
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:03,840
and it was announced as a twelve rounder. But in reality,

764
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,320
and this was just kind of come to light this

765
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,920
week because it's typical Golden Boys shit. They always do

766
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,480
this with their fights. And I've gotten confirmation from Gustavo Olaveri,

767
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,880
who was the new WO president, that it is not

768
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:16,559
going to be an elimination fight. Is a normal ten

769
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,760
round fight. Now that doesn't detract from the interesting nature

770
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,960
of the fight, but it is not a mandatory where

771
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,320
the guy who wins gets the title fight. So it

772
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,800
is now a ten rounder, but it's still the co

773
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,840
feature based on the way that the card was announced.

774
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:29,679
But the Saudis being the Saudi's, you never know if

775
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:31,320
they're going to change the order at the last minute.

776
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,039
But nonetheless it's a good interesting fight. You know, both

777
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:38,039
guys have been quality. I think that both they'll also

778
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,679
have questions to answer because when you look at Jose

779
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,760
Ramirez in terms of his situation, he has the one

780
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,599
fight against Barthelemy that took place this year, and you know,

781
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:49,559
he won the decision pretty clearly, but he had been

782
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,920
off for a long time before that, and he's only

783
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,559
fought one time in twenty twenty two, one time in

784
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:59,360
twenty twenty three since he lost the title to Josh Taylor,

785
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,199
you know, and they're unification for undisputed. So he's kind

786
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,679
of had ups and downs where he's won, but he

787
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,239
hasn't maybe he looked so sharp and he's been kind

788
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,199
of inactive. Okay, so he comes in the ring. We

789
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:09,840
already know the talent he's got, but he's kind of

790
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,000
on the downside, it seems to me. And in terms

791
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,400
of Barboza, he's undefeated still thirty you know, with eleven knockouts.

792
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,360
Great record obviously, but you got to look back at

793
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,880
his fight that took place in April, which was his

794
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,960
second fight when he signed with Golden Boy. He had

795
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,559
a fight with them in January when he went when

796
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,719
he left Top Rank, but he fought the dude named

797
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,800
Sean McComb on the undercard when Hainy fought Ryan Garcia, right,

798
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,679
and he looked terrible in that fight, and he was

799
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,719
lucky to get out of New York City with a

800
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,480
split decision. I thought he lost to fight. A lot

801
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,239
of people thought he lost a fight. So you know,

802
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,920
he's got some proven to do. What seems to me,

803
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,280
but I think both these guys know what's that stake.

804
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,000
I mean, it may not be an official eliminator, but

805
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,239
I'd say the facto eliminator because the guy that wins

806
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:48,119
is going to be in a beautiful position to get

807
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,880
some kind of title opportunity. So that's the situation with

808
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,119
that fight. And the interesting thing also is you know

809
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:56,360
the action in that weight class. I mean, there's there's

810
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,199
lots of good fighters in and around one forty, so

811
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,960
they're going to put themselves in such a good position

812
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,760
that it's going to be almost inevitable that the winner

813
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,719
is going to get themselves some kind of big time fight. Now,

814
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,920
in terms of the next fight down the card, which

815
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,400
is a PETA against Tevin Farmer, this this is you know,

816
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,000
we don't know what's going to happen, but this fight

817
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:18,920
was made for one particular reason because the paida is

818
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,719
sitting there as the mandatory for the WBC champion, Chaquor Stevenson,

819
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:25,119
and that's the fight that's probably going to happen in

820
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,599
February if he wins. So they wanted him to fight

821
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,039
a southpaw like Chaquur. Now not to say that Tevin

822
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,360
Farmer and fight the same way, but at least they're

823
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,360
both left handed, so he gets that look, which is

824
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,079
important when matchmakers and promoters make these types of fights

825
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,960
and make these types of plans. Now, is a paida,

826
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:40,960
as you know, and I would think if you're die

827
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,159
hard enough to listen to our podcast, you know that

828
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,320
Williams of paid is a devastating puncher thirty one to

829
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,679
oh with twenty seven knockouts. A south paul who just

830
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:50,480
comes forward and throws like a bazillion punches around his

831
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:55,360
offense is his defense. Tevin Farmer totally opposite kind of style. Slickboxer,

832
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,039
not a big puncher. What a title at one hundred

833
00:37:58,039 --> 00:37:59,880
and thirty pounds. You know, took a long way off,

834
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,599
but he's come back. He's had a couple of fights

835
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,440
to you know, a few fights actually in one hundred

836
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,800
and thirty five pound way class. He is coming off

837
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,920
of a loss, but he gave Raymond Moore a tie,

838
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,880
a good young up and coming contender, a really good fight.

839
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,239
Lost a close call, unanimous, but very close in that

840
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,599
fight that was back in July. But he's been active,

841
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,199
so at least he comes in with that situation and

842
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,880
he says, I'm going to upset the world. We'll see

843
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,360
what he can do. If he loses, Sipida probably moves

844
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,440
on to this sh Court fight. If Farmer wins, you know,

845
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,159
it is a huge thing. Now. The crazy thing about

846
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:28,760
this fight that we talked about, we'd have to get

847
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,920
into all the details. It's a ten round fight. Did

848
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,360
they know?

849
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: I know where you're going going?

850
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,679
Speaker 2: I know? And after they signed for it, they were

851
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,800
offered the opportunity to do it for the interim title

852
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,360
because Shakur was out injured. So they were like, okay,

853
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,679
we'll do that, but Farmer refused what I was told

854
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:47,280
by his people to make it a twelve round fight

855
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,599
because he had already signed for a ten round fight

856
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,239
and the only way he would be willing to change

857
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,960
the number of rounds that they paid him more money,

858
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:54,880
and he was told there is no more money. So

859
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:59,679
they're doing this ridiculously as a ten round fight that

860
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,800
apparently is for the WBC interim title. I hope that's

861
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,079
another Golden Boy fuck up and it's not. But we'll

862
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:07,760
see on Saturday when they start announcing the fights. But

863
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,719
it is just a bizarre situation and it seems kind

864
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,400
of silly like and pointless. It would have to be

865
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,239
for an interim title because Shaquur and Zapeida, that's the

866
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:16,760
fight if.

867
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,039
Speaker 4: We're already supposed to fight. So Zupada is the clear

868
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:23,119
number one in the division and all the stuff. Why

869
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,400
do we have to call him the interim anything. He's

870
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,599
fighting Shakur next. We know that if everybody's healthy.

871
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: It is what it is.

872
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: And then the will handicap also the Oscar COLASO, CP

873
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,079
freshmart or Niamtrong, whichever you prefer, strawweight title fight. And

874
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:42,800
the thing about Klaso. He is a hard hitting Puerto

875
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,440
Rican who's now won two or three title fights defenses.

876
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:49,800
I'm intrigued a little bit by the little little guys

877
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:50,599
in this one.

878
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,079
Speaker 2: If you're a diehard, like this is the kind of

879
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:56,039
fight that I love. I just love this. You mentioned

880
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:59,519
Colaso top amateur. You know, it's twenty seven, which is

881
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,760
kind of old for a strawweight, but nonetheless, he doesn't

882
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,480
have a lot of pro fights. It's only going to

883
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,000
be his eleventh professional fight. He's got swagger, he's got power,

884
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,760
and he has a title. He was the fewest fights

885
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,360
ever for a Puerto Rican to win a world title,

886
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:14,840
and he's defended now a couple of times, so you

887
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,039
know he's on the upswing. But he's taken on a

888
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:19,599
guy that a lot of people don't know much about.

889
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:22,400
But he's a real solid guy. Deamtrong is twenty five

890
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,159
and ohero with nine knockouts from Thailand. He's thirty four,

891
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:28,119
which is kind of archaic for a strawweight, but he

892
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,679
doesn't have a ton of wear and tear on him.

893
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,079
He's coming off a really good win. When he went

894
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:35,760
in September, he traveled to Australia to fight in his

895
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,960
opponent's home area, Alex Winwood, who is a much younger guy,

896
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,320
an Olympic guy, and he won a decision on the

897
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,400
road that was very impressive, and now he's going in

898
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,880
a unification fight. Obviously he's making his biggest money that

899
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,599
I'm sure Turkey paid good money for this unification. Both

900
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,199
of these young guys, and both these guys are making

901
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,239
good money, really fascinating fight. The thing about in Neamtrong

902
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,559
that's people should also realize is that in the entire

903
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,199
sport of boxing, there is no fighter that it has

904
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:03,320
been a world champion that is currently active longer than

905
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,119
this guy in terms of on the calendar. He has

906
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,400
held this title for a number of years, and so

907
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:10,480
is there going to be a changing of the guard

908
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:12,760
in Colazo ascends to the top of the food chain

909
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,280
at one one oh five? Or uh does the Thailand fighter,

910
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:18,920
you know, bank another really good win and keep uh

911
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,920
keep hold of that position. Really, you know, they're fighting

912
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,400
on totally neutral territory, you know, because I always say

913
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,920
you gotta have a Straway title unification fight between a

914
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,239
Puerto Rican and a tie you do it in Saudi Arabia.

915
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 4: You use it my material now of course you fight

916
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,840
it in the Saudi Arabia exactly.

917
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: If you actually measured like the mileage.

918
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

919
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what off Top had, but

920
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,400
it seems like if I'm looking at a globe, like

921
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,400
it's probably around the same amount of time and space

922
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,559
and mileage from Thailand to Saudi Arabia as it would

923
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,760
be say from Puerto Rico UH to UH to Saudi Arabia.

924
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,760
They kind of like meet in the middle, really really

925
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,360
good matchup. And again this is like you know the

926
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,079
what one, two, three? This the fourth fight down the

927
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:57,239
cart that tells you the depth of the show. And

928
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,199
then they open up with Oscar Duarte, who was a

929
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,880
very exciting fighter. We know him probably because of his

930
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,920
knockout loss against Ryan Garcia, but he's a very entertaining fighter.

931
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,519
Twenty seven to two to one with mostly knockouts, twenty

932
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,440
two knockouts, still only twenty eight years old, coming off

933
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,960
a good victory where he stopped Joseph Diaz, who was

934
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,199
in a losing shriek but had never been stopped before.

935
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,159
I remember he was originally supposed to take on Kenneth

936
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:22,840
Sims in this fight who was That was a very

937
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,360
fascinating fight to me. But Kenny Simms suffered a knee

938
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,920
injury and so they replaced him with batier Akmindov, who

939
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,960
actually had a phenomenal fight with Kenny Simms on showtime

940
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,159
back about a year ago or so. So that's a

941
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:35,920
new opponent that's still a very interesting matchup. It's still

942
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,639
i think, again not big names, but I think probably

943
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:42,639
can provide real good quality entertainment value in the fight.

944
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,679
So that's that fight, and then they have another fight

945
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,880
that's the opener, which is not a big name fight.

946
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,280
That's the young Saudi Arabian fighter zi Ed Alnay who

947
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,119
was on the show. But really it's the Duarte Dochmindov,

948
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,679
the Strawwitt unifications, the paida Tevin Farmer in the lightweight fight,

949
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,280
Ramirez Barbosa at the one forty fight, and then of

950
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,280
course the unification also in the main event. So and

951
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,199
again DJ, let me tell you it's a free card,

952
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:04,960
and this is the I.

953
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: Was just going there you would and I have done

954
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,199
this too long. They're not going to slip in the

955
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,119
nineteen ninety five pay per view Saturday morning, are they?

956
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: Then again, it's his zone and you never know in

957
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:15,239
rio odd season.

958
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: But this is supposed to be regular to zone with

959
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,280
your subscription and Clai.

960
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,039
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no, it's regular to zone.

961
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,360
But you actually don't even need a subscription. They told me.

962
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:26,440
You can just go and like put your email and

963
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,119
log in and you can still get it now. But

964
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,320
more and more notably, you don't even have to worry

965
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,599
about the zone because this card is also available on

966
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:38,400
on Triller TV for free. It's available on the YouTube

967
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,440
channel of Golden Boy for free.

968
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: It's on uh like all those things.

969
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,519
Speaker 2: It's it's on Pluto, I think, for free.

970
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 4: Not the planet, but Pluto TV. CLI clarify what time?

971
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,559
Because of the long undercard, this is gonna get going

972
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,800
us time because again Saudi Arabia, what's seven hours ahead?

973
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: But go ahead. The card starts with the zad Almey

974
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,239
fight at twelve pm Eastern time, so nine am Pacific.

975
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 3: Get your lunch ready or your reckfast if you're get

976
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,360
your late.

977
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 4: Breakfast ready at the West and get ready for an

978
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,400
onslaught of what six.

979
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: J because that means Saturday night. There's you know you've

980
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,599
watched you you've you've probably watched Tyson and Jake Paul

981
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,320
that fight on Friday night? Right, you watch zerdo you

982
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,239
get up early on if you're on the West or

983
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,679
a noon time on the East, and you watched zero

984
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,519
and uh and BILLM. Smith and the Latino Night Card,

985
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,400
and you're done probably by you know, six in the

986
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,400
evening or so thereabouts seven o'clock, and then you got tonight.

987
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,119
You can have a little dinner, watch some college football

988
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,719
and uh and uh and no late night. And you know,

989
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,639
for me, who's gonna be writing these fights for U

990
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,199
A fight freaks to night. I won't have to worry

991
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:45,760
about doing this at two o'clock in the morning. I'm

992
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:46,400
thrilled about that.

993
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,559
Speaker 3: I understand that.

994
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 4: All right, So all of that coming down on Saturday

995
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:54,559
from six a big weekend, Yes, uh, okay, some news

996
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:56,880
and some nostalgia because we've been here a little bit.

997
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,480
You have pinned it down for David Benaveta and I'm sorry, yes,

998
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:06,320
And David Morrell, tell me more about what you've learned

999
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,559
on when and where this is going to come down

1000
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:09,800
in twenty twenty five, so.

1001
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,519
Speaker 2: Really good light heavyweight fight. Benavidez is the interim champ

1002
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:14,920
of the WBC. Morell is the regular title holder of

1003
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,360
the WBA. They're both guys that were really made their

1004
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,559
bones in the super middleweight division, but couldn't get Canelo

1005
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:22,960
to fight them. They both moved up in their last fights.

1006
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,119
If you remember, it was Benavide's who defeated Alexander Vojik,

1007
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:28,639
the former light heavyweight champ, that was on the card

1008
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:31,320
that they shared with Tank Davis and Frank Martin back

1009
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,400
in June. You had in August Morell going up to

1010
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,480
the one hundred and seventy five pil way class. He

1011
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:39,639
defeated hot Rod on the Terence Crawford Madromov undercart in August,

1012
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,280
and then if you also remember about about a month ago,

1013
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,679
these two guys both went to their social media and

1014
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,039
said we've agreed and we're fighting. And that's what PBC

1015
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:49,599
confirmed to myself and I'm sure other reporters as well.

1016
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,039
But the one factor that they didn't have in place

1017
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:54,639
yet was the exact location or the exact date. I

1018
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:56,679
was always told it was either going to be January

1019
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:59,960
twenty fifth or early February, probably at the Timobile Arena,

1020
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:01,880
and as it turns out, it will now be on

1021
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,920
February first at the Team Mobile Arena. That is what

1022
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,199
I am told by multiple sources that are involved with

1023
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,880
this event. It will be a Prime Video PBC Prime

1024
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,159
Video pay per view. Presumably they'll load up the undercard.

1025
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,079
You know, there are fights that were supposed to be

1026
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:16,719
ticketed for the Tank Davis Lamont roach fight that did

1027
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,320
not happen in December, that maybe some of those fights

1028
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,039
could end up on this card. I speak specifically of

1029
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:25,719
Brandon Figueroa in the rematch against Stephen Fulton. Also, maybe

1030
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,119
it winds up on the Tank fight when they end

1031
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:32,760
up putting that on, probably in March. But anyway, February first,

1032
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,840
David Morrell against David Benavidez. To me, anyway, probably the

1033
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,800
best fight you can make in the light heavyweight division

1034
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:43,559
that does not involve either Arthur beddor Viev or Dimitri Bivl.

1035
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,960
I think it's a really interesting fight to young guys,

1036
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,559
two guys on the upswing stills, two guys that are

1037
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:52,360
you know, maybe not even in their primes totally just yet.

1038
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,559
I mean, really good fight now. I know, neither guy

1039
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:58,239
look great in their light heavyweight debut. TJ. David had

1040
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,679
a lot of injuries and struggle with some physical things

1041
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:04,159
going into that fight. The Morel fight, it was his

1042
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,280
first fight in the way class, I'm convinced, and it

1043
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,719
was the same for hot Rod his opponent. They fought

1044
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,039
the fight in La on that night or that afternoon.

1045
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,519
Really it was so hot during the day in the

1046
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,960
ring and they were right in the sun at that time.

1047
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,679
Then their fight fought that it was very bothersome. I

1048
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,039
believe for Morel, you don't have to worry about the

1049
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:25,360
sun in your eyes when you're in the T Mobile

1050
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,159
arena where it's nice and cool. So point, I'm not

1051
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:31,880
making an excuse. I just truly believe that the negativity

1052
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,679
of way he fought that particular fight and maybe where

1053
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:36,800
he didn't look awesome was a lot of it had

1054
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,719
to do with a very difficult circumstance of massively hot

1055
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,039
and the sun in your eyes the whole fight now,

1056
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:44,519
and that's also why hot Rod, you know, maybe didn't

1057
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:46,679
look so great either. I think it's a lot different

1058
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:48,639
when you're fighting Benavide's and you're really up for the fight,

1059
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,039
you know the type of guy in front of you,

1060
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,920
and you don't have those other issues facing you. And

1061
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,000
hopefully David has dealt with his physical issues, whether it

1062
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:56,559
was the you know, I had a little bit of

1063
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:59,679
a shoulder problem or a hand problem, but a tremendous

1064
00:47:59,679 --> 00:47:59,960
match up.

1065
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,519
Speaker 4: All right, some other news this was interesting. The Ring,

1066
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:09,480
the heralded ring magazine what's now the ring website has

1067
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:12,559
now been purchased, speaking of read season by Turkey ala

1068
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,119
K and purchasing it from Oscar de la Joya and

1069
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:19,760
the entity that dal la Hoya and his others controlled.

1070
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,400
So again, if you are a fight fan from years

1071
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,320
gone by, you swore by the ring magazine, the actual

1072
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,840
hard magazine with the photos, the fight recaps, because pre internet,

1073
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,199
this is how you learned more about the sport. My

1074
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,039
hand is up on doing that, So say a few

1075
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:41,159
words here and then I want to tip the hat

1076
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:44,199
to one of our colleagues who had a very compelling

1077
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,440
commentary about this. You know where I'm going with Eric

1078
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:49,320
Raskin and what he wrote. But go ahead, what are

1079
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:49,800
your thoughts?

1080
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:53,199
Speaker 2: I have a lot of mixed emotions about this. Number One,

1081
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,719
Turkey al Chk bought the magazine. Oscar said it was

1082
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,239
for ten million dollars, which is three million more that

1083
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,119
Oscar paid for it when he bought it back in

1084
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:04,719
the early two thousands. I actually went back and googled

1085
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,840
my article. I wrote a piece for USA Today or

1086
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,039
maybe it was ESPN at the time, forget where I

1087
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:13,880
wrote it, but nonetheless I wrote about it. When Oscar

1088
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,119
bought Ring magazine was like a big deal at the time,

1089
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:19,199
and they never really were able to exploit the brand

1090
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,119
in terms of the merchandise date. A lot of ideas,

1091
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:24,039
a lot of plans. Some of it went through, some

1092
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:27,719
of it didn't. An Oscar has been approached a number

1093
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,519
of times through the years to sell it. At one

1094
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,840
point when Turkey and he was asking me about buying it.

1095
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,079
You know, I was told that, you know, Oscar really

1096
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:37,159
doesn't want to sell. But the way Oscar said, look,

1097
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,679
eventually I got an offer I couldn't refuse. You know,

1098
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,360
ten million dollars for a media entity like that today

1099
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,599
where the media is largely in the dumper. That's like

1100
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:47,519
a gift from Heaven right there. I mean ten million

1101
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:49,960
bucks for that, especially when you don't have a print

1102
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,239
magazine anymore, right and you know you don't have the

1103
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,760
mega traffic. I mean, that's an amazing deal for Oscar.

1104
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,599
So you know, Turkey, though, has the resources. There's you know,

1105
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,400
if you follow the minutia, there's been a tremendous amount

1106
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,199
of stuff, you know, in the background where if the

1107
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,360
Saudis are doing what they intend to do with boxing

1108
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,039
and sort of do a takeover, there was a lot

1109
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:10,079
of conversations that are gonna buy all the promoters and

1110
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:12,199
this and that. You know, I don't necessarily buy that.

1111
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,719
But what they were doing was, you know, either going

1112
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,760
to create a website or some type of media outlet,

1113
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:19,760
and that ultimately did not happen. And the way they're

1114
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,840
now going to do that is through the Ring magazine,

1115
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,639
which is obviously a lot more of a well known

1116
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,679
brand than if they were starting something from scratch. So,

1117
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,719
you know, I'm not gonna get into details because you know,

1118
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,559
I don't I can't say for one hundred percent, but

1119
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,239
I know some of my media colleagues who were approached,

1120
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:39,000
you know, being honest, I was approached, had a conversation

1121
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:43,519
with them. Has not gone anywhere. That's partly my decision. Nonetheless,

1122
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,639
they're gonna go do their thing. I wish them luck.

1123
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,760
I hope Turkey Alshic lives up to what he said

1124
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,280
when he made his lengthy post that they will be independent.

1125
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,280
But I mean it's hard not to be skeptical because

1126
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,800
the Saudis are not exactly the folks that are encouraging of,

1127
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,679
you know, of a free press. Say, I mean, I

1128
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:04,039
know it's boxing. It's not necessarily as serious, let's say,

1129
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:06,199
as you know what goes on in politics and in

1130
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,559
wars and other things around the world. But there will

1131
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:12,599
be a lot of media people I hope that can

1132
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:14,760
make a living now with this, and I hope they

1133
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,480
make it proud. And one thing I love, say whatever

1134
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:19,119
you want, is that Turkey plans to bring back the

1135
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,000
print magazine, which has been sorely lacking for the last

1136
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:23,960
couple of years. I have a certain love for the Ring.

1137
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:27,239
I've got almost a complete collection in my Crazy Boxing

1138
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,440
collection every Ring ever produced, most issues back you know,

1139
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,679
to the nineteen twenties. I was one of my proudest

1140
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:36,480
things in my career is to have written stories for

1141
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,199
the Ring magazine that have had cover stories on the

1142
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,960
Ring magazine print issue, you know a number of times

1143
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,519
over the years, hard copy articles that I wrote for them,

1144
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,119
for the folks that run it before Oscar sold it.

1145
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,199
So I wish them great luck, and you know, it's

1146
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,559
a legendary brand ben around since nineteen twenty two, and

1147
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:56,840
I hope it reaches us the right resources in it

1148
00:51:57,079 --> 00:51:58,400
and make it bigger than it's been.

1149
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:01,559
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled and shout out to our guy Doug Fisher,

1150
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:04,000
who has fought the good fight for a lot of years,

1151
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,400
a lot of a lot of battles to fight to

1152
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,760
be the editor and keep that thing afloat.

1153
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 3: So there's two things. The first thing is.

1154
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,079
Speaker 4: What you alluded to, is this going to become more

1155
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:18,840
of a propaganda arm for read season? That's the concern. Yes,

1156
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,960
they're saying up front, hey, it's going to be independent.

1157
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,760
It's not going to be that. But as many have

1158
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,320
pointed out, how critical, how independent and critical can they

1159
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,159
really be of the owners who are involved in the sport.

1160
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,440
It is a conflict on the surface, Just on the surface,

1161
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:35,000
it looks like a conflict of are they going to

1162
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:38,239
tell the truth if a fighter gets low balled or

1163
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,320
something gets screwed up?

1164
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: Are they going to write the truth? Are they going

1165
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,639
to tell the truth? That's a legit question.

1166
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely willing to give them the benefit of the

1167
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,360
doubt until proven otherwise. The same way, by the way

1168
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,679
that I gave Oscar Delay and Golden Boy the benefit

1169
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,360
of the doubt. When Golden Boy and Oscar purchased it,

1170
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,800
you know, back in the two thousands, in two thousand

1171
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,519
and seven, actually, so I was already at ESPN. He

1172
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,440
bought it for seven million dollars and they did their

1173
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,119
own thing. That's when they got rid of the staff

1174
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,599
that was there and they hired Doug Fisher and a

1175
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,840
bunch of other folks that we know. And look, if

1176
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,480
it becomes just nothing more than a than a mouthpiece

1177
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,760
for read season, is that gonna take us very long

1178
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,760
to figure that out. That actually is what happens. They're

1179
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,719
they're entitled to do that because I own it, But

1180
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,360
it doesn't mean we have to pay it any attention.

1181
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,599
Now besides the website and the name and the trademark

1182
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,920
and that all that, what they've purchased is the brand.

1183
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:29,840
They've purchased the rankings that have a recognition by a

1184
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,039
lot of people, even if there may be different people

1185
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,960
doing it. They purchased the titles. The Ring Magazine title

1186
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,440
is a prestigious title. It's a beautiful belt. But they

1187
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,599
give out to those champions and they get their archive.

1188
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,679
They have an unbelievable photo archive and you know plenty

1189
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,199
of things that go along with that. But you know,

1190
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,199
is ten million dollars, does he ever make the money back?

1191
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,800
I'm not sure that this already has so much care

1192
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:52,119
about that.

1193
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 3: I don't think they care.

1194
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 4: You know, We'll say, and by the way, if I

1195
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,840
am a world boxing organization, I'm a bit concerned here.

1196
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,880
Because the Saudi's now have the ring title, then maybe

1197
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,960
they start pushing that over the course of the next

1198
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,360
six months, year, couple of years as being bigger than

1199
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,480
some of these other belts. With the convoluted way that

1200
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:13,840
they rank fighters and have title fights, that should be

1201
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,800
concerning to them.

1202
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: I'm just saying on the front.

1203
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: End day that may be something in the longer run,

1204
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:21,400
but at the moment, the reason I do not believe

1205
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,920
that happens is because they have seven figure sponsorships with

1206
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,320
the WBA and the WBC, So for the time being,

1207
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,920
that's not going to be an issue.

1208
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 4: And kudos to our guy, Eric Raskin, who both of

1209
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:34,159
you and I know you've known him much longer than me,

1210
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,440
and I actually called him and he and I had

1211
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,159
a great conversation and complimented him. Read his commentary on

1212
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:43,519
boxing scene from a great perspective of having been an

1213
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:46,920
editor at the Ring magazine and having worked there, and

1214
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,800
you obviously have tremendous insight and have worked there too.

1215
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,280
But I thought Eric did a great job of voicing

1216
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,440
the concerns Villagerent, the apparent conflicts. And this is the

1217
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,480
state of boxing media now, just in general, in total,

1218
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:04,840
this is the state of boxing media. And is there

1219
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,119
any independence and is there anybody willing to stand up

1220
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:11,559
and pay for excellent coverage that's independent of anything else.

1221
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tear it out that well.

1222
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: You may have called Eric, but I texted him first

1223
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,760
of all, second of all, as it relates to independent

1224
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,239
boxing media, and are people willing to pay my Dan

1225
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,360
Rayfield fight, Preach Unite, Substack is independent. It's me, it's

1226
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,199
my opinions. It's how I choose to cover things. And

1227
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,880
there are people that are willing to pay. I wish

1228
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,280
more people would be willing to pay. Go to Dan

1229
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,239
Rayfield dot substack dot com. I cast you six dollars

1230
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,960
a month for some independent pot That's what I'm doing

1231
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000
right now. I am a part of the battle.

1232
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 4: And by the way, you and I are partners and

1233
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,440
have been now for two and a half years. They

1234
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,079
said it wouldn't last. Here we are Big Fight Weekend.

1235
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,559
The website is completely independent, this podcast is completely independent.

1236
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:57,880
There's nobody telling you and I what we can't talk about,

1237
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,360
what we can't criticize.

1238
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:01,559
Speaker 3: And I think we have grabbed a.

1239
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 4: Real foothold with people because we tell it like it

1240
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,000
is and we're not beholden no offense to anybody else

1241
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:12,960
that was working for any entity with a podcast or

1242
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,639
with a site from that entity trying to make a living.

1243
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:19,440
But there is the appearance of, well, can you really

1244
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,639
tell the truth.

1245
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,519
Speaker 3: About Showtime Championship Boxing?

1246
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 4: Can you really tell the truth about Top Ranked Boxing,

1247
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:29,239
or about Golden Boy Promotions, or about Mattroom Boxing if

1248
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,239
you're involved with those entities and with those outlets. We

1249
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,360
just point out to the public. I'm not saying that

1250
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,159
we're better than everybody. We're just pointing out we're not

1251
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,800
beholden to any of them with what we do.

1252
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: I dare say that anybody that has listened to this show,

1253
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,440
even but one time, knows that we're not too worried

1254
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,639
about criticizing or giving the.

1255
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,639
Speaker 3: Including each other, including each other.

1256
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 4: It's well known that we can't have plastic silverware around

1257
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,639
each other whenever we get together on this so good

1258
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,559
stuff there on the ring. All right, another news item

1259
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:04,360
and then let's get to the nostalgia, because there's a

1260
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,840
lot of it. That news involves Connor Ben, it says

1261
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,480
right here on my rundown, and I agree with you

1262
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:12,079
not messing around trying to land a big fight. He's

1263
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:15,239
hired Keith Connelly to co manage him. Tell the peeps

1264
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,239
more about why that is significant for they currently disgraced

1265
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,039
son of Nigel Bann.

1266
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:24,159
Speaker 2: Go ahead, listen, we all know what Connor Ben has

1267
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:25,840
done over the last couple of years. He's been in

1268
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,840
the battle with the British regulators to deal with his

1269
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:33,679
ped situation. Whatever you think about that. That that has

1270
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,840
now apparently been closed and his provisional suspension was lifted.

1271
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:40,760
U coont still has the opportunity to make an appeal.

1272
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,760
They have I don't remember the exact cutoff, dy Dad.

1273
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,880
From the time that the provisional was lift they had

1274
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,519
three weeks to make their appeal. I think they got

1275
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,960
another still about another two weeks or so to make

1276
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,119
a decision on that. But it feels like this is

1277
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:54,960
coming to an end, and there's a lot of big

1278
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,960
fights in the offing for Connor Ben. One is obviously

1279
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,079
rescheduling the U Bank fight against Schubangior, which was the

1280
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:04,400
fight that was canceled during fight week when his positive

1281
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,320
drug test came public and that has caused all this

1282
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,199
aget over the last couple of years. But there's other

1283
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:12,800
fights also. There's the possibility of him fighting Jeron Boots

1284
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,880
Ennis for his wealthweight title. He was ringside in Philadelphia.

1285
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,000
He's been calling out Mario Barrios. He wants the WBC belt.

1286
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,719
That's one of the belts that his father had, Nigel

1287
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,679
Ben back in the day, so he covers that belt.

1288
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,119
Then there's also, as his team thinks, maybe not right away,

1289
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,679
but in the future, major fights against the likes of

1290
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:34,280
a Gervonte Davis or against a Ryan Garcia. He's in

1291
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,239
that level of those types of types of fights that

1292
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:40,039
can happen given his name and some of the notoriety

1293
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:41,679
that surrounds him. But do you ask, why is it

1294
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:44,800
big that he signed with Keith Connelly to be his

1295
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,280
co manager, Because Conley is vastly experienced in terms of

1296
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,320
making big deals for his fighters, and just to give

1297
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,599
you a little bit of an idea. I mean, the

1298
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:56,719
types of fighters that he has worked with and he's

1299
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,159
gotten them massive paydays over the years is is you know,

1300
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:03,360
it speaks for itself. I mean, he's the one that

1301
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,159
negotiated the Edgar Berlanga fight against Kenelo Alvarez. He's the

1302
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:09,480
one that engineered der Langa leaving top rank and working

1303
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,440
that out so we could get the Canelo fight. The

1304
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,719
money that he helped Danny Jacobs make in mega fights,

1305
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,840
massive amounts of money against Kennati Glofkin and against Canelo,

1306
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:20,119
plus other fights that he had on his own. He

1307
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:23,400
got a gigantic deal for Philip Pergovich with the Saudis,

1308
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,119
who had been making not nearly that kind of money

1309
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:28,960
when he was in a very onerous contract with Washerman Boxing.

1310
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,199
He made Sergei devron Chanko more money than any guy

1311
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:34,280
ever maybe in the history of boxing. That was like

1312
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,119
a fifteen to four type of record. He had Richard Kome,

1313
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,480
who was a lightweight titled but made a lot of

1314
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:42,159
good money against big name opponents. He did the same

1315
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:45,480
thing with Adam Koonaki, a heavyweight who never got to

1316
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,039
a world title fight, made millions and millions of dollars

1317
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:50,840
with Conley working his deals out. He did similar with

1318
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,800
Chris Aljery when he became his manager. He has Richardson Hitchins,

1319
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:56,719
who was about to fight for a world title, got

1320
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,199
him a good deal for that. So point is Connor

1321
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:01,920
ben as a good team around him that he works

1322
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,679
with Tony Simms and his son Charlie Simms who's the

1323
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:08,119
other co manager, and their lawyer, Lee Mtaj. But they

1324
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:11,599
bring in Connley to help them out. They're not messing around.

1325
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,320
And so I fully expect to see Connor Benn assuming

1326
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:17,719
that the issue of the PD thing is no longer

1327
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,760
going to be a factor and the license is going

1328
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,360
to be completely reinstated, and there won't be an appeal

1329
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,760
by Yukont that he's going to get himself not only

1330
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,639
in big fights, but he's going to make a huge

1331
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:29,480
amount of money because Conley is a fucking you know,

1332
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:31,719
he knows how to negotiate those types of fights.

1333
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:34,679
Speaker 3: Great news.

1334
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,519
Speaker 4: Now the nostalgia and here we go on the night

1335
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:42,440
that we're doing this pod, releasing it Thursday night into Friday.

1336
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:48,920
Is the thirty second anniversary November the thirteenth, nineteen ninety two.

1337
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,639
Speaker 3: It was thirty two years ago.

1338
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:55,639
Speaker 4: Actually, that would actually be yesterday, would be Wednesday, November thirteenth,

1339
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,800
nineteen ninety two, Riddick Bo Evander Holyfield for the undisputed

1340
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,079
heavy title, classic fight and Riddick Bo gets the win,

1341
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:08,239
including an amazing eleventh and twelfth round of this one

1342
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,480
in Las Vegas. All right, let's reminisce a little bit

1343
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:14,199
in the first of what was a wild trilogy, as

1344
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:15,760
it turned out for these guys. This was the first

1345
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,119
of those fights thirty two years ago.

1346
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:19,639
Speaker 2: What can you say? I think that if you take

1347
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:21,519
a look at the history of boxing, you're talking about

1348
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:27,280
trilogies other than maybe Ali and Fraser, which certainly is

1349
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,320
the most well known and most famous. Obviously, that this

1350
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,599
is the next one on the list. And if you

1351
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:33,719
ask me, I don't know if I can say it's

1352
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,960
better than Ali Fraser, but I do know this. If

1353
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,599
you take a look at the three Ali Fraser fights,

1354
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:39,719
the first fight is an awesome fight, the second fight

1355
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,519
is extraordinarily forgettable, and the third fight is a legendary fight.

1356
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:45,440
The thrill on Manila in Riddick Bow and a Vander Holyfield.

1357
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:48,320
All three fights are amazing. All three fights are action packed.

1358
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,199
All three fights are massive battle royale type fights. The

1359
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,880
first two for the heavyweight title. The third fight wasn't

1360
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,039
for the title, but basically was the fight that most

1361
01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:00,360
people considered Holyfield on Bow one and two in the

1362
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,679
weight class. You mentioned about the grade eleventh and twelfth.

1363
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,159
He forgot about the fact that Riddick Bow almost had

1364
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:07,440
Avander Holyfield out in the tenth round. That was the

1365
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,360
spectacular round. It was picked as the round of the

1366
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:14,360
year by the Ring magazine. I mean it was, I think,

1367
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:17,760
I mean incredible fight. It was the fight of the

1368
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,760
year for a lot of people in nineteen ninety two.

1369
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,639
Just I mean, it's as good as it gets. In

1370
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:25,480
heavyweight division, you had Riddick Bow who was hadn't yet

1371
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:27,920
fought for the title, but was the clear and obvious

1372
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:31,880
number one contender Holyfield that defended the undisputed former Olympian.

1373
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,519
Speaker 4: Riddick Bow built up big time in the media when

1374
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:38,559
the mainstream media cared tremendously about the heavyweights and about.

1375
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,199
Speaker 2: Although it got stopped in the gold medal match by

1376
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:42,239
a Lennic Lewis.

1377
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,239
Speaker 4: But still he was built up and propped up and

1378
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,400
this was his big moment to fight holy Field for

1379
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:47,679
the undisputed title.

1380
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:49,639
Speaker 2: Right, and holy Field was still considered to buy many

1381
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:51,480
people to be sort of undersized, even though he had

1382
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:55,480
defended the undisputed title in other defenses against George Foreman,

1383
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:57,800
who was older, in a great fight against Larry Holmes,

1384
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,440
obviously had defeated Riddick, had defeated rether Buster Douglas to

1385
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,920
become the undisputed champion. But bo I think a lot

1386
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,760
of people looked at Evanders record in terms of as

1387
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,039
a heavyweight champion, even though he'd fought a lot of

1388
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:11,599
good fighters and obviously had been the undisputed CHAMPI at cruiserweight.

1389
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,199
But this was considered as a heavyweight champion with no

1390
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,719
disrespect to guys like Larry Holmes and George Foreman. But

1391
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,320
this was supposed to be, like, you know, the first

1392
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,840
a real fight, because remember also he had defended the title.

1393
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,159
Between the Homes and the Foreman fight, he had defended

1394
01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:28,440
against a late replacement Burt Cooper and almost got knocked

1395
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,400
out by a journeyman kind of opponent. So his defenses

1396
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,639
after Douglas were Foreman great fight, but against an old man,

1397
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,480
Bert Cooper, who nearly knocked him out Larry Holmes, also

1398
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,000
an much older fighter, and now he takes on the undefeated.

1399
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:43,199
Riddick Bow was finally, you know, a real top level heavyweight,

1400
01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:47,920
a younger guy, number one contender, first real quote unquote

1401
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,840
real guy in terms of his defenses at heavyweight. And

1402
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:53,119
it was a phenomenal fight and Riddick Bow was able

1403
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:55,400
to get the win and it wasn't even that close.

1404
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,519
I mean, yes, it was competitive, but in terms of

1405
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:00,920
the scoring, it was cleared away victory for Riddick Bow.

1406
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,039
And then they put on, you know, two more barn

1407
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:05,719
Burner type fights that followed that. But this first fight

1408
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:09,760
is the crowning moment of Riddick Bow's career. He never

1409
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,880
reached this level again. Obviously, he lost the title back

1410
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,199
to holy Field when they met the second time, and

1411
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,400
that was a you know, I don't know if it

1412
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,920
was like that big of an upset, but he still

1413
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,400
lost the title. And then of course when they had

1414
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,559
the third fight, it wasn't for the title, even though

1415
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:28,639
he knocked out of Andander Holyfield. So the first fight, though,

1416
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,360
is is nothing more than a legendary fight. I mean,

1417
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,480
there's no other way about it. And I think a

1418
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:37,599
lot of people when they look at the trilogy, the

1419
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:40,960
second fight, although a great fight, is remembered unfortunately more

1420
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,039
because of the crazy.

1421
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,519
Speaker 3: Fan man fan man in the middle of it.

1422
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: And the third fight that's the Caveman fight.

1423
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,599
Speaker 4: But the interesting thing, by the way, about the fan

1424
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:52,920
man aspect is, I believe Bo. We've talked about this

1425
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,679
so many times that it's not the anniversary right now. We

1426
01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:56,360
won't spend long on it, but I think Bo was

1427
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,880
winning the second fight, and then the fan man thing happens.

1428
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,840
They have the delay and all the circus where it's

1429
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,880
over by Bo's corner, and when they resume, Holyfield wins

1430
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,920
a fight. My point is this, if that continues along

1431
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,679
without the idiocy, without the fan man, do we ever

1432
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:14,119
have a third fight? Does Bo go ahead and beat

1433
01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:16,440
him the second time and there's no need for a

1434
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,599
third fight. I mean, it's not what happened. It's just

1435
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:20,079
a what if.

1436
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 3: It's a what if. Yeah.

1437
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,119
Speaker 2: And also about this fight, remember when this first fight

1438
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:27,800
was over and Riddick had won the titles, Lennox Lewis,

1439
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,960
who would become his mandatory challenger and obviously was his

1440
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:33,480
rival from the amateurs and had been and had stopped

1441
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:36,000
Riddick to win the gold medal in the Olympic Games.

1442
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,039
Was there watching at ringside. He was involved with some

1443
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:43,639
of the commentary on HBO's broadcasts. You know it was

1444
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:45,079
a pay per view, but you know when they showed

1445
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,440
the replay, him and bow almost got into it at

1446
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:50,400
ringside after the fight. And it was only a couple

1447
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,559
of weeks later, a month later where they held that

1448
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:55,719
infamous press conference where Riddick Bow, in my opinion, made

1449
01:05:55,719 --> 01:05:58,639
the terrible decision that was probably not really his decision,

1450
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:01,280
but more the decision of his anager, Rock Newman, where

1451
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,519
he literally threw the WBC title in the trash can.

1452
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:05,679
And he's never really lived that down because it was

1453
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,679
very clear as day that as great of a fight

1454
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:11,280
as he had done against Evander and to win the title,

1455
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,320
which he deserved and became the undisputed champ, he was

1456
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,280
ducking Lennox lewis no doubt about it. And it never happened,

1457
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,079
unfortunately in the professional ranks, but it did happen as

1458
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,639
the amateur gold medal match in the Olympics and rid

1459
01:06:22,639 --> 01:06:25,199
It got knocked out. But you can never take away

1460
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:27,159
the night where he became the undisputed champion. It's one

1461
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:29,480
of the all time greatest fights in boxing history, certainly

1462
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:31,480
in the heavyweight division. As I mentioned, fight of the

1463
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:33,920
Year had a Round of the Year, just an amazing battle,

1464
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:37,159
and it led to two more phenomenal fights between Holyfield

1465
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:38,960
and Bow, who, by the way, to this day are

1466
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,960
still the closest to friends. Yes, and they became that

1467
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,440
way through They weren't. They didn't know each other before

1468
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,320
the trilogy. They became friends because of the trilogy. They

1469
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,239
spend time I think living together at one point.

1470
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Holyfield in recent years has been taking care of

1471
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,639
Britick Bow literally helping pay bills, having him with him

1472
01:06:56,679 --> 01:07:00,000
in South Florida at his gym, training him, trying to

1473
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,559
give him, you know, some something to look forward to,

1474
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,840
et cetera. So yeah, they remained to this day as

1475
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:12,559
age legendary fighters friends and holy Field helping out both.

1476
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:17,800
All right, So move forward, what seventeen years to Thursday,

1477
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,840
the day that we're releasing this November fourteenth, two thousand

1478
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:21,639
and nine.

1479
01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 3: Which is now fifteen years ago.

1480
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:28,159
Speaker 4: You were ringside for Manny pacquiow Miguel Codo in what

1481
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,440
was a battle that Paqui how eventually won. Moving up

1482
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,159
to welter waite and winning the WBO world title. What

1483
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,760
do you remember from ringside in Vegas, sir.

1484
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you that of every single fight

1485
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,880
I have ever covered in my career, hundreds and hundreds

1486
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,480
and hundreds of fights, I don't think there was ever

1487
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:48,360
a fight that, at the time it was happening, I

1488
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,199
was more looking forward to covering than this. I thought

1489
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:54,280
this was going to be just an absolutely spectacular fight. Now,

1490
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:55,960
it may not have turned out to be the greatest

1491
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,880
fight in the history of boxing, but this is a

1492
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,400
damn good fight between two great fighters, between two Hall

1493
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,719
of famers. I mean, Coto's already in Hall of Fame, Pak.

1494
01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:05,760
He was on the ballot for the first time now,

1495
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,119
and when the election results are announced in a few weeks,

1496
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:10,239
I guarantee you he will be elected to the Hall

1497
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,639
of Fame on the first ballot. This was this fight

1498
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:16,680
at everything, two action fighters, two fighters that were proud warriors,

1499
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,399
two guys that were willing to fight anybody. And in

1500
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,000
Manny Pack, now you had a fighter who he was

1501
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:24,920
going up in weight to the welterweight division to take

1502
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,279
on Miguel Coto. Now, remember in his previous fight he

1503
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:29,960
had fought Ricky Hatton and knocked him out badly in

1504
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,399
the second round. His previous fight before that was the

1505
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,840
one time he had fought at welterweight prior to the

1506
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,560
Coda fight. But that was not a title fight. That

1507
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,560
was when he talked. When he took on what became

1508
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,560
clearly the much older and shot Oscar Deloya. We didn't

1509
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,720
know it at the time, but he absolutely pulverized Deloy

1510
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:49,880
and the corner stopped that after the eighth round. But

1511
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,560
then he went back down to one forty knocked out Hatten.

1512
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,159
Now he's going up and fighting a fresh prime welterweight

1513
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:58,800
in Miguel Coto. Tremendous battle for the WBO title. And

1514
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,399
it was a tremendous fight, I mean, and it was

1515
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,520
a really excellent fight for the first say, like six rounds.

1516
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,920
It was really really close on this workcards and a

1517
01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:09,159
very kind of even up kind of fight. But pack

1518
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:11,399
how was that? This is Pete Paco, I mean, this

1519
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,000
is the manny of of the legendary run you know

1520
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:18,239
through the dale Away fight Hatton, et cetera. You know,

1521
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:21,279
he had knocked Miguel down in the third round. He

1522
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,680
knocked down again in the fourth round. And now suddenly

1523
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,279
it's starting to get away from him, but he's still

1524
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:29,039
hanging in there. But eventually Paco just the punching and

1525
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:31,319
the and the blood and the and the and the

1526
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:33,920
sort of messed up. The cuts on the face just

1527
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,680
became a real problem and eventually he just could not

1528
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,680
take it anymore. And when he went down, you know,

1529
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,880
after in the twelfth round, it was over. I mean

1530
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,840
they were looking to stop it after round eleven. Uh.

1531
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,439
You know, Takoto's credit, he he uh, you know, he

1532
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,600
went on with the fight. But this was this was

1533
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,319
the the prime Manny. This was Manny had his best

1534
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:54,000
among the you know, the two or three fights where

1535
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,880
you look at and you and you're not sure you

1536
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,479
can ever see a better many Pacau and uh, unfortunately

1537
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,680
for me, Galkoto, Uh, you know, he goes down as

1538
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,680
as a tremendous fighter that lost when he sometimes faced

1539
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,039
the biggest and the best guys. Now, the thing about

1540
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:11,479
this is I always think about the fact that this member,

1541
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:16,079
this is Nanny, was doing his thing. But Miguel had

1542
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,359
lost the first fight by knockout to Antonio Margarito in

1543
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:21,840
two thousand and eight. In July of eight.

1544
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:25,279
Speaker 3: He came back from the infamous fight I'm getting there.

1545
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 2: That was the fight where it became very clear to

1546
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,359
many of us, myself included that because of what had

1547
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:35,000
occurred when Margarito fought Shane Moseley, that he had fought

1548
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:38,319
Miguel Coton got away with wearing loaded gloves. Miguel came

1549
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:42,159
back from that very very rough, hard, brutal stoppage loss.

1550
01:10:42,199 --> 01:10:44,399
In the eleventh round, he defeated a little bit of

1551
01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:47,119
a softer touch in Michael Jennings. Then he gutted out

1552
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:49,800
a tough, hard fight against Joshua Claudy, who was at

1553
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,880
his best, and then he put him in the Many

1554
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,680
Packet fight. And I always wonder as competitive as he

1555
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,079
made against Manny for the first several rounds of that fight,

1556
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,760
if he hadn't had what was taken out of him

1557
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,640
by Antonio Margarito, I will go to my grave believing

1558
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:07,119
partly rob Miguel Coto a part of his prime. What

1559
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:10,000
the Codo Pacio fight may have been, it was a

1560
01:11:10,039 --> 01:11:13,000
tremendous fight, even with that having happened, if Miguel had

1561
01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:15,319
not had that taken out of him because of what

1562
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:18,920
I believe were illegal gloves that many that Antonio Margarito

1563
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,880
wore against him. I feel like maybe the Codo Pacio fight,

1564
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,960
not saying that Nanny wouldn't have won the fight, but

1565
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,159
I think it might have been a little bit of

1566
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:27,439
a different way of him getting there. So even with

1567
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,600
that situation, always in my mind, tremendous battle Coto with

1568
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,159
the heart getting up in round three and four. Pakio

1569
01:11:34,319 --> 01:11:35,960
was in a tough fight. He'll tell you, if you

1570
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,039
asked Manny to tell you what are his toughest fights,

1571
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:40,359
I guarantee you'll tell you one of the toughest fights

1572
01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:42,960
he ever had was from Miguel Coto. I just loved

1573
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,359
this fight. They called it firepower. I put up a

1574
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:50,359
picture earlier of my poster, my credential. I remember in

1575
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:53,600
the press room they were given out like little Chotsky's,

1576
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,359
like they give out Pacio Coto branded like luggage tags

1577
01:11:57,359 --> 01:11:59,600
with the Filipino flag and the next and the Puerto

1578
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,159
Rican fl Really cool. Just a big time fight week.

1579
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,159
That was when there was still a lot of boxing

1580
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,680
media also, so all the newspapers were there and there

1581
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,760
was just I mean, I just remember like everybody was

1582
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,479
at this fight. Such an exciting fight, on paper, everybody

1583
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,520
was pumped up for this fight. I've said to Todd

1584
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,359
the buff from top rank, they were at the promoters

1585
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,159
many times through the years that of all the fights

1586
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:24,039
I have ever covered in boxing, this one fight was

1587
01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:25,800
one of the fights I look forward to, probably more

1588
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,039
than any other I ever covered.

1589
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 4: Yep, and you said that here's and that's high praise,

1590
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:33,439
high praise from one Dan Rivet. One more bit of nostalgia,

1591
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,319
and I just happened to stumble on this and the unfortunate,

1592
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:41,359
horrible anniversary was on Wednesday, November thirteenth of nineteen eighty two,

1593
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,680
so ten years before Holyfield bow is you know where

1594
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,159
I'm going? The Boom Boom man Siniduku Kim fight National

1595
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:52,800
TV on CBS in the afternoon, where Mancini scored a

1596
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:57,199
fourteenth round TKO devastating knock down.

1597
01:12:57,239 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 3: The fight stopped and.

1598
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 4: Kim eventually carried out of the ring and passed away

1599
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:07,479
a couple of days later. The vivid memory I have Rayphiel,

1600
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,880
I don't know where I was and why I wasn't

1601
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,840
watching the fight because I was a little TJ, a

1602
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:14,560
little fight fan.

1603
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 3: But when we came back in and turned the TV.

1604
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 4: On there's no cable in my house in that day,

1605
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:22,560
turned it on and turned it over.

1606
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 3: I went, oh, the fight is over, because.

1607
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 4: They're interviewing Boom Boom Mansini in the ring and the

1608
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:30,039
hair on the back of my neck is standing up

1609
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:34,079
right now. I have since seen something in the last

1610
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:37,840
day or two where somebody had the full post fight

1611
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,119
feed included. I don't know how they got this, including

1612
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:46,840
no commercials where CBS is panicked and freaked out because

1613
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,680
Tim Ryan is in the ring, the legendary commentator trying

1614
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,479
to interview Boom Boom Mancini. They actually dan have the

1615
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,199
interview on the PA at the outdoor Caesar's Palace arena

1616
01:13:57,239 --> 01:13:59,680
where the crowd can hear the interview. Because Boom Boom

1617
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,840
was such a tremendous pop culture figure, boxing much more mainstream,

1618
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,680
the crowd wanted to hear the interview. He's trying to

1619
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,920
interview Boom Boom and Tim Ryan stops the interview and says,

1620
01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:15,439
I'm being told that Duku Kim is seriously injured. They

1621
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,880
are taking him out of the ring. We're gonna take

1622
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,800
a break here on CBS. In the middle of the interview,

1623
01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:24,560
they stop, They go to the commercial this person has

1624
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:28,600
video of them. During the commercial where Tim Ryan is saying,

1625
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,000
do you still want me to do the interview? I

1626
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:33,279
need to talk to New York. Do you still want

1627
01:14:33,319 --> 01:14:36,079
me to do the interview? Yes, he's been carried out

1628
01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:38,800
of the ring. You can hear this. It's spooky. They're

1629
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,800
talking back and forth and he's saying, yes, he's been

1630
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,239
carried out of the ring. Okay, I'll do the interview.

1631
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,960
They come back from commercial and they say, Ray, congratulations,

1632
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,800
I know we have concern for Douku Kim and they're

1633
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,239
showing the video ray feel of them carrying him from

1634
01:14:53,319 --> 01:14:56,680
the ring. It's just eerie and spooky to relive that.

1635
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And I saw that because I remember it being twelve

1636
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,479
years old that that's all I saw was the very

1637
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,640
end after the fight and the interview that I just

1638
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,439
described to you. And Mancini says to this day, to

1639
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,119
peak speaking of things, she never overcame. He said, I

1640
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:14,479
was never the same after that. He went to Korea

1641
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,640
for the funeral of Duku Kim, felt horrible, donated money

1642
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,640
to them because Duku Kim didn't make a lot of

1643
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,319
money that day for that world title fight was a

1644
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,000
virtual unknown from Korea.

1645
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 3: So there you go.

1646
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: There are few things about that. Number One, he didn't

1647
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:32,000
make shit for that fight. He made twenty thousand dollars

1648
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:34,239
was his purse. The Ray made a couple hundred grand,

1649
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:36,560
which was good money back then, and Kim made twenty

1650
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,399
thousand dollars as an unknown, you know, ridiculous mandatory challenger

1651
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:44,119
in the WBA. Surprise, surprise, the WBA was doing WBA

1652
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:47,199
things even back in nineteen eighty two. I remember watching

1653
01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:49,840
this fight vividly. I sat at the kitchen table in

1654
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,640
the house that my mother still lives in where I

1655
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,399
grew up. I watched it on a black and white

1656
01:15:53,399 --> 01:15:57,000
television and watched this fight. Was mesmerized by this fight

1657
01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:02,279
was a amazing battle before the tragic situation happened. And

1658
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,800
you know I won't it's always I remember specifically watching

1659
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,000
this fight. Now, will you talk about what happened with Kim?

1660
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:12,560
He did, in fact, and very tragically die four days

1661
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,840
after this fight in Las Vegas at the hospital. When

1662
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,119
this was happening, there was no sports center, there was

1663
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:23,000
no cable television, Smart TV's internet service where you could

1664
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:27,199
see and follow what's happening. So what I remember many

1665
01:16:27,279 --> 01:16:32,039
days later was getting as I subscribed to Sports Illustrated

1666
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:35,000
as a kid. I didn't know that Kim had died

1667
01:16:35,079 --> 01:16:38,399
until I got to Sports Illustrated, on which it said

1668
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,399
something like death in the desert or something like that

1669
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,800
was the headline with a picture of Mancini and Kim

1670
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,239
in the ring. And I remember getting that issue with

1671
01:16:46,279 --> 01:16:49,359
the magazine and thinking, oh, my god, the fighter died

1672
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,199
in the I mean, that was the first time in

1673
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:54,479
my life. Nineteen and so I'm twelve years old. It's

1674
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,920
November of two, nineteen eighty two.

1675
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,279
Speaker 4: I were both basically the same age, were both basically

1676
01:16:59,319 --> 01:17:00,840
in the fifth or sixth It's great, you're trying to

1677
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:01,960
process this exactly.

1678
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,199
Speaker 2: So I had turned twelve years old, you know, a

1679
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:07,039
few months earlier, and it's the first time I ever

1680
01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:08,560
sort of thought to me and I had not like

1681
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,560
I was a die hard boxing camp, but I'd watched

1682
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,159
a lot of fights up to that point. But it

1683
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:15,760
was like the first time that I had like the

1684
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,560
bell went off or the light went off, and you're like, wow,

1685
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,399
you know, these guys when they box, they can maybe die.

1686
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,640
I mean, it was like a it's like a moment

1687
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,439
of reckoning in your life. If that makes sense.

1688
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was as a kid, even.

1689
01:17:28,359 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 2: A very tragic situation. Now, I actually, you know, in

1690
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,359
the course of my collecting days, have obtained the program

1691
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,239
and the poster for this fight. I put up a

1692
01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:39,960
picture of the poster, not because I'm a ghoul, but

1693
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,479
because it is a historic fight. Number one, Ray as

1694
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,439
a Hall of Famer number two. It was a great

1695
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,279
fight despite the tragic ending. But also the reason why

1696
01:17:47,319 --> 01:17:50,359
it has so much significance within boxing is because it

1697
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,399
was in the aftermath of this particular fight. Now, it

1698
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,920
was not the first time any boxer had ever died

1699
01:17:55,159 --> 01:17:57,399
from a ring injury on for it. You know, that

1700
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,960
had happened before, unfortunately, but this particular because it was

1701
01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:03,079
live on national television in the United States at a

1702
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:06,319
time when boxing was such a big deal. That within

1703
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,079
like a couple of weeks after the fight, even though

1704
01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:11,600
it wasn't a WBC fight, this was a WBA lightweight

1705
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,039
title fight, the WBC immediately ordered world title fights to

1706
01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:17,840
be reduced from fifteen rounds to twelve rounds. That was

1707
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,760
this was a direct relation to what occurred between Mancini

1708
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,359
and Kim, and the other sanctioning bodies followed suit, So

1709
01:18:23,399 --> 01:18:25,760
it didn't happen immediately. So there were still some other

1710
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,159
fifteen rounders that took place after this, but by and large,

1711
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,199
by the end of eighty too, there were no more,

1712
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,039
you know, very few anyway, fifteen rounders. But this was

1713
01:18:33,039 --> 01:18:36,800
the fight that really started that happening. Now many years later,

1714
01:18:37,319 --> 01:18:39,720
as a boxing writer, you know, I got to meet

1715
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,399
and got to know and still talk to sometimes, was

1716
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,720
on his radio show, has spent time with ray Mancini

1717
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,960
through the years. What an unbelievably nice guy. Sure, I mean,

1718
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,399
I don't talk about this particular fight, but clearly had

1719
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,039
an impact. Our friend, the great Mark Kriegel has written

1720
01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:57,800
a book about ray Mansteney's life. He covers us this

1721
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,399
fight in this situation, you know, the good Sun covers it,

1722
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,000
you know, quite a bit in the book, and you

1723
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,119
know that's definitely worth reading. But this is a historic

1724
01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:08,600
fight for the for the all the reason, the aline

1725
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,000
world title fight of a hall of famer situation that

1726
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,039
occurred unfortunately with the tragic death, all the things that

1727
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:16,039
went on in terms of boxing as a sport because

1728
01:19:16,079 --> 01:19:18,000
of this fight, in terms of reducing it, and you

1729
01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:20,119
talk about it being on national television on CBS. How

1730
01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:23,119
about this. This tells you how busy. Top rank was.

1731
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:25,520
Top Rank was Ray Mansenies promoter. They put this fight

1732
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,600
on at Caesar's Palace. Their whole team had come from Miami,

1733
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,560
Florida the day before where they were doing Alexis Arguayo

1734
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,199
versus Aaron Pryor the night before in Miami, so they

1735
01:19:34,199 --> 01:19:37,560
had in the evening of the previous night was Arguayo

1736
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,079
prior one. The next afternoon in Las Vegas they were

1737
01:19:40,119 --> 01:19:42,039
doing nan Ceni came met season crazy.

1738
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 4: How crazy is that one on HBO even twenty four

1739
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:46,479
hours apart?

1740
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 3: As you mentioned, Yeah, I.

1741
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: Mean, I'm assuming like some of their team was in

1742
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:51,800
Florida at the one fight, some of their team was

1743
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,800
in Vegas at the other site. But the fact is

1744
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,479
they were putting in these two very significant fights, you know,

1745
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:57,680
within Leston twenty four hours.

1746
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 4: And we can't say enough that again, you had Muhammad Ali,

1747
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,560
you had Sugar Ray Leonard, but Boom Boom Mancini was

1748
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:09,640
immensely popular. They had done a made for TV movie

1749
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,680
about him while he's still active in and around this

1750
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,399
time like eighty one or eighty two, about the story

1751
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:17,159
with he and his dad and winning the world title

1752
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:19,319
in the whole thing. And we're big on making movies

1753
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,039
right after something had happened, like weeks after it happened,

1754
01:20:22,119 --> 01:20:24,560
or months after it happened, like the eighty Olympic hockey

1755
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:28,399
team or whatever. He was that mainstream pop culture popular.

1756
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,720
And again that was forty two years ago that this

1757
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,560
happened with the death the ring death of Duku Kim

1758
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:37,680
and Boom Boom Mancini.

1759
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:42,279
Speaker 2: And by the way, wow, you talk about the popularity

1760
01:20:42,319 --> 01:20:45,640
of Mancini and this just will just this one small

1761
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,479
part of it. The great musician Warren Zevon wrote a

1762
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,920
song about ray Mancini about getting home to watch the

1763
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:56,439
Ray Mancini fight. That means he's immortalized in a famous song,

1764
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,119
and that doesn't happen to a lot of boxing these days.

1765
01:20:59,359 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 4: Right, So again that was forty two Wow, that's and

1766
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,119
that and and and you connected it because we did

1767
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:09,199
talk our Guayo prior on the previous pod and nostalgia.

1768
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:13,960
It's connected two days, not even twenty four full hours apart.

1769
01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:17,159
Our Guayo prior won and then Mansini and Dooku cam

1770
01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:17,800
right after it.

1771
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna quote from the for

1772
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,079
the Lauren Zevon song, the chorus of that, I won't

1773
01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:25,399
sing it, but I will quote it. Hurry home early,

1774
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:31,039
Hurry on home, Boom boom, Mansini's fighting Bobby Chacone's that's.

1775
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,279
Speaker 3: The chorus sign from the song. We love it all right.

1776
01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 4: And I don't know if they're gonna write any songs

1777
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,399
or any stanzas about Mike Tyson and Jake Paul. That's

1778
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,439
how we began things here. That's coming up tonight Friday night.

1779
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,560
As we released this pod Thursday into Friday. We'll handicap

1780
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,159
it more on the bet Us Boxing Show, including Amanda Serrano,

1781
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:52,079
Katie Taylor, The Saturday Read Season, Latino Night Card that

1782
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:55,000
has Zerdo Ramirez and Chris billum Smith. That comes your

1783
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,680
way Saturday afternoon US time, Saturday night, late night in

1784
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,800
Saudi Arabia. Handicap that fight as well, Big preview stuff,

1785
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,479
news nostalgia here, Chris Billum Smith in his own words

1786
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,039
on the previous podcast right on this feed here, Mike

1787
01:22:09,119 --> 01:22:12,399
Tyson in his own words earlier this week we put

1788
01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:14,399
it up as a standalone this podcast feed. Get you

1789
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,560
ready for all the weekend action. Have we done all

1790
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,920
the damage we can do for a preview. I think

1791
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,359
we have Dan Rayfield.

1792
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:20,399
Speaker 3: Will be good.

1793
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:21,520
Speaker 2: I think we're good.

1794
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 3: I think we are good as well. Nice job.

1795
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,520
Speaker 4: See you on the bet US Show on their platforms

1796
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,800
and their YouTube page. Coming up at one Eastern time

1797
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,560
on Friday. My friend, thank you, there is Dan Rayfield.

1798
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,479
I'm merely TJ. Reeves follower. Subscribe on this podcast feed.

1799
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,800
We preview going into the weekend. We recap coming off

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01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,960
the weekend. Thank you for being with us on the

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