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a fun time. So no good transition to talk about
something very great to something very bad, but I'll set
it up, so what we're gonna do. So there's two
portions here. We have the actual news news that was
talked about from Adam Driver. That's, you know, as far
as from him true right, we'll say he's not just lying.
Anyone could lie, right, but we're gonna say that is.
And then there was somebody that has gone some right.
They are c Tor Scooper, so put that in mind.
But it's stuff that they've gone Star Wars stuff right
before they were one the people that talked about the
Doomsday chair leak and that like saying, all this big
thing's gonna happen on this day on Marvel, and it did.
So there's some credibility. You know, you gotta take it
for what it is, because, as we've learned today, we
sometimes really know nothing right. And that's where I'll start off.
For one thing, as far as even myself when I
talk about Dave Filoni and some issues, and we've talked
about Kathleen Ken they and even this ball Bigers stuff
we're gonna talk about. That's thing where it's all hypothesis,
but really we don't know because for years we've never
talked about this. Some of the people that talk about
Bob Biger maybe be an issue, but for us, it's like, oh, well,
some of the people we've heard talk about these things,
it's like it's a Kaffee and Dave issue, right, But
a lot of these issues sound like, okay, this makes
a lot of sense. Why we go what's happening with
Star Wars? Why are they acting like this? What's going on?
That there could be some sort of power struggle and
that's that's kind of an unfortunate thing. But that's where
for us, like we're having some fun theorizing talking about it.
But today, I think shows we've known this many times,
but today's shows we really know nothing because who knows
what could be happening behind closed doors way way far.
But what happened was I don't even know what he's
promoting right now. Must be something. Maybe he's just even
on Broadway. But Adam Driver, I was doing an interview
with AP News, and I don't They're kind of talking
about his whole career and everything with Star Wars, and
I guess I would be a bad host if I
didn't just pull up the actual articles because I do
want to say it. Let's see word for word here
his quote because that's what happened. Where when this came out,
this thing, like I got to people don't know how
my notifications work because I try to not go on
Twitter as much anymore. So I have certain accounts I
have notifications on, unless it's Sporting Times wrestling in Sports Times,
that's when I have the notifications on. But I'll try
to find these Ezach quotes here. But I got the
notification of Oh yeah, Adam Driver talks about Kyla ren
film that didn't work out, and you just think, Okay,
it's just something maybe they pitched talked about and maybe
he wasn't even interested. Like I'm just thinking it's just
one of those things of like an idea kicked around,
but that's about it. And because there's hundreds of ideas,
thousands of ideas with IP kicked around all the time,
they thought, oh, just give me that. But then when
you read the actual article and headline, which I cannot
find for life me right now. But he talks about
the process of what he was doing. He was writing
a movie with the well he's help write a movie
with Steven Soderberg, who's a great director, writers that had
people do the Bourne legacy even Rowe one, but Steven
Soderberg alone obviously not everything. He's not like a perfect
like a no, like oh my god, but in a
sense that he's done many great things over his career,
which is something that would be you know, refreshing with
Star Wars to get some big star power behind it.
But here we go. We presented this scractually. I'll read
the full two paragraphs to set ou us up for this.
Blah blah blah. Okay, so no, I don't need this,
just described your news there, Okay, I was all. So
here's where it takes over as am Driver. I was
always interested in doing another Star Wars, says driver, who
starts a Kylo Ren and the trilogy. I had been
talking about doing another one since twenty twenty one. Kathleen
Kennedy reached out, and I always said, with a great
director and a great story, I'd be there in a second.
I love that character and I love playing him, so
for that context, you know, he's probably like Rise of
Skywalker finishes up in probably twenty nineteen, with how rush
that was, and then two years later they start to
talk about this, and then they do say that they
worked on this for about two years, so about some
time in twenty twenty three, maybe twenty twenty four, who
was when he actually pitched it. That's when it was
shot down. But Driver says he took the concept of
Sodaberg for a film that would take place after Rise Skywalker.
Yet dah, yeah, we don't. Let's just describe what having
a trilogy. Sodaberg and Rebecca Blunt outlined a story, outlined
a story that that group pitched to Kenny Lucasfilm and
Carrie Beck, who's a vice president and creative officer Dave Filoni.
They were interested, so the filmmakers pulled in Scott Burns
to rice script. Driver calls the result one of the coolest,
I'm gonna say, fucking just explot one of the schools
fucking scripts I've ever been a part of. We presented
the script to Lucasfilm. They loved the idea. They totally
understood our angle and why we were doing it. Driver
says that we took it to Bob Bierger and Alan
Bergman and they said, no, they didn't see how Ben
Solo was alive, and that was that it was called
The Hunt for Ben Solo. It was really cool, but
it is no more, so I can finally talk about it,
Soderberg said in a statement. I really enjoyed making the
movie in my had just soorry fans won't get to
see it. Representatives of Disney and Lucasfilm declined to comment.
And that's where I think. Now there's other people talking
about that's where everything changed, right, because those and that's
where some people have talked about this is coordinated, like
a Ryan Reis Deadpool thing. Who knows? And who knows
that can even work because Kathy stepping down, I you're
stepping down. That could be good for this project, bad
for this project. Who knows. But it's just funny how
a few words changed, right, because he could have said
we pitched the film and it didn't happen. But the
fact that he said that they pitched Lucasfilm, they loved it,
and Disney shot down, that changed a lot of stuff, right,
Because we've talked about this before. I throw the Taylor.
We talked about this a long time ago with in
the twenty like we didn't talk about this them, but
we talked about this after fact, in the twenty thirteen
to twenty sixteen era of Marvel, there was a guy
named Ike Pearl Mutter who was like, I think I
think he was second command for uh Bob Biker here,
And that was in a day where they were trying
to make Captain Marvel and Black Panther, but he wouldn't
let Figi in company do that because he thought, oh, well,
you know, people of color, a woman like that's not
gonna sell toys. People aren't gonna go there. Which funny
though those two films became absolutely massive, right Obviously Captain
Marvel sequel not as much, but Black Panthers still killing it,
even though we lost Chadwick sadly. Right. So we've heard
this before happening at Disney where and it's funny that
like this is where I felt some what dumb that
we never theorized this, because it's like we literally have
talked about and this is in people's books. Figi's talked
about this where they wanted to do certain things at
Marvel and some guy said, no, you're not doing that,
right because we just think, you know, oh you go hot.
And I feel like it's funny. We talked about this
with James Gunn and david's Aslov. But maybe it's just
because we're so used to Disney. Obviously they have issues,
but never those issues that Sony Marvel had or DC had.
But it's like, why we never even theorized about some
of these potential issues. Because that's a situation where Foggy
has an idea for the Marvel universe, which that's the
Marvel Universe cooking, that's after Avengers, and they said, no,
you can't do that. The fact that the Adam Driver
put out Bob Biger, and that's what people say, it's coordinate.
Some people say they don't care because you know, there
was remember rumors that Driver was supposed to be Read
Richard's they want a certain mountain. They kind of low
balled them. So maybe he's kind of in a like
a fuck these people mode. We don't know what the
circumstance is. It is weird that Steven Soderberg also commented
on this h like he didn't direct this movie to
say like, oh, it would have been great. I'm sorry
the fans they get to see it don't know what
it is. And I almost do wonder too. Do you
remember this was a couple months ago before I thirty
for all this, but I just want to say this
before it popped up. Remember there was at one time
we were doing a newscast and like hours before we
did that, it broke that Kathleen Kennedy was leaving Star
Wars right and we did a whole episode on that,
and then a couple of days later, me and don't
have weekly geek and I don't know if you remember,
but she put out she did an interview and how
she talked about how she wasn't leaving and kind of
like rebutting all those reports. Now there's time that when
I started to get the conspiracy thing, It's like, is
that certain people like bob Byger's people and what not
putting out to the trades, like oh yeah, like it's
not him, but it's somebody like you can put this
information out that I'm leaving. Because it was almost weird
that this report comes out like I'm leaving, and then
a couple of days later she says I'm not leaving,
even though she said like, oh yeah, we're working on
a succession plan like I will be leaving, but it
was almost for her to come out right away and say, hey,
I'm not going anywhere right now. So that's where it's
like this Eiger thing could be completely untrue, right, But
it's like when I started to look at all the
pieces of the Kathleen Kennedy news come out as she's
leaving her go against it, the stuff with Marvel in
the past, with other executives, the stuff with why they
keep announced these films. And I don't get me wrong,
I bet there's some mistakes that Dave Filoni and Kathleen Kenny.
I'm not saying there Angels and Barb Byer came down,
but we've said, like, how come with Star Wars there's
just such like a push and pull on a stop
and start, like what's going on here? Right? And we
have some other rumors. We'll get to stuff that wasn't announced,
but yeah, what do you think what was your reaction
to all this when you were getting this news? Because
I was dropping it on the discord and I said,
we'll just talk about this portion, not the other rumors
I told you about. We'll say that for after, but
just this portion of driver saying, hey, he pitched this
movie and uh, Disney, Iiger shot it down, not Lucasfilm.
You know, Dave Caffy all on board. Disney was the
one that laid the hammer down on our poor boy,
Adam Driver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a lot. I gotta first put a
track a reaction here. I've said some mean things in
the past.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever said me, no, no, no,
So this is we're gonna stop you back. I think
we've said critical things of Kathleen Canny, but we have
never not unronically made the red eye, like we've never
called her the name.
Speaker 2: But I've definitely exerted anger at this situation because you know,
just I'm a human being, you know I'm a victim.
Speaker 3: No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2: I think when you look at the situation, it's in
everyone's natural instinct to always put the blame on somebody.
And so when you're passionate about something and you love something.
Speaker 1: And everyone does you know, all listeners is like Travis.
Speaker 2: So when you have a bunch of stop science roadblocks
just kind of preventing you from it being able to
really enjoy something or get more of something that you
really really want, something that would be really great, it
just doesn't make sense. You're gonna look at who is
who has that gait, who's holding the bridge up, who
is causing the it's the same as road rage. You're
stuck in traffic, who got into you know, an accident
up ahead? Who's being an idiot behind the wheel driving
super slow?
Speaker 3: You know stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You just got to blame somebody. And so naturally my
anger was directed at Kathleen Kennedy because I thought, hey, like,
she's the head hauncho here at Lucasfilms, and I want
to like, why aren't these projects moving forward? You know,
they're right into trouble with all these movies and all
these different things, which this does clear a lot of
uh confusion with some of these movies and whatnot now
that have been shelved.
Speaker 3: So to see this happen.
Speaker 2: I applaud Adam Driver because he didn't reveal any of
the specifics of this movie.
Speaker 3: And I feel like there's a reason for that, and
maybe I'm.
Speaker 1: Just heves the title.
Speaker 2: He gives the title, but the title subject to change
talk about later.
Speaker 1: But he didn't give he didn't know. But here's the thing.
He didn't give any plots things, but he gave way
the fact. That's where I do believe in some I
believe two things. Either he is pissed about something in
just one round cages or it is trying to make
a push because he did not have to reveal the director,
the producer, the writer, the title, the pitch did he
could just said, oh, we're working on movie didn't work out.
He went in the full like we're doing this for
two years. I will say he revealed a lot about
the project that was usually don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still nothing nothing harmful though, like nothing that
would like spoil it. And I think everything that was
very if they let's say it's Star Wars celebration, they
brought Adam Driver on a stage like, all right, give
us the dates the next Stars movie, and he just said,
here's a writer, here's a producer as a director, and
here's the you know, but the outline is and the name,
the title. It's like, hey, that's exactly what another any
other cast member would do to present like the next
Star Wars film. Like it's not revealing anything compromising, and
I feel like he chose to be tactical about it.
Maybe it is some kind of marketing thing. Maybe him
and Kathleen Kennedy are like, hey, let's overthrow Ira. I'm kidding,
but I think that there.
Speaker 1: Is I don't think that, but there's there's still could
be a power play, right of Hey, if you put
that out there, let's see what happens, right, and then
if it starts to cause especially if I don't know
if more if there's more issues, that's the way you're
gonna These big execs are gonna fight, right, It's not
gonna be out in public. It's gonna be in the shadows.
And that's the way we're Oh, let's let's put us
on ball now, you know.
Speaker 3: That's that's right.
Speaker 2: And I think the funny thing about this is you
have people that blame Kathleen Kennedy and you got people
that blame Dave Filoni.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're both perfect out of the wake
of this.
Speaker 2: Yes, they definitely have their preferences when it comes down
to it, but it's it's it's interesting now to have
this light really shone on this third character that's entered
the arena here, the third contender. It's like, oh shit,
Like okay, this guy is like you forget about Eiger
being the head hon show and above all of them.
Speaker 1: And so because even if, like when we tell about
those rumors, even if none of that's true, this is
like I said, I don't think he's lying. This is
still driver saying thoughts that people that shut down, right,
And because that would be even if we don't believe
any rumors we could theorize of Okay, I don't think
this would be the only project he would have shut down, right.
I don't think this is the first time he went,
you know what, Kyla Ren's project, let's let's not do that. Right,
Like that there would happen to me.
Speaker 3: What about the Game of Thrones? Guys right, it's like, oh,
you know, maybe let's do it.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, and then he watches or here's all
the feedback from season eight Game of Thrones, He's like, oh,
you know what, let's scrap this, let's not do it.
I think that that is that's been happening this whole time,
this whole time.
Speaker 1: And the problem is too, Like I bet there's sometimes
where Kathy has done that and I guess not problem.
It's the way it works. But that's where we're an
interesting predicament. We're obviously eigres above them. But you have Iiger,
you have Kathy, and then you have Dave, who I'm
sure all have three different likes and tastes and whatnot.
So it's like there could be a project that one
really likes but shuts down and vice versa. Right, So
that's the thing where it's okay, who's doing what, who's
stopping what. Also, we have some rumors about some of
the projects Bob shut down, and there are projects that
we would have liked, so obviously go right to him
that he's the fallen Viillam. But I'm trying not to.
But it is kind of funny that that's why use
the headline the title. It very much is like Episode
one with the Phantom Menace and Darth Maul of like, oh,
he could be the guy behind the shadows doing these things.
And that's where for me it is. I don't I
think it is.
Speaker 2: And that's purely based on just what Adam Driver said,
Like there's just the response is here's the pitch for
this new movie.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, but he's dead and that's it.
Speaker 2: That is such a simpleton, out of touch with this
whole like the community and the franchise kind of answer.
That is such a big wig, big suit, you know,
corporate response, and that's just that rouse me the wrong way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because to me, we talked about that a little
bit yesterday at the gym, and that's where to me,
that response, if he's dead, I think that is a
that's not a true okay. I think that is what
Driver and his team got. I think that's not the
real reason why. It could be for a multitude reasons.
It could be that they feel this is going to
be too highly budgeted. Even though I should have pulled
this quote where Adam River it's something about keeping the
budget down or something like that.
Speaker 2: Let's see here, wasn't that attached to the uh Empire
strikes Back?
Speaker 1: So Adam Drive reveals the cancel hunting thing. Yeah, he
wanted it. This was inspired by Empire Strikes Back, which
I'm sure most people always want to be right, but
he said, we wanted to be Let's see, we wanted
to be traditional about how we spend money and be
economical with it, do it for less or do it
for less than most. But in the same sphere of
what those movies are, which is hands made, in character
driven and Emi shrikes Back being in my opinion, the
center of what those movies were. And that's where oh,
excuse me, I had a bug my throat. That's where
for me that he's dead. We all know that's a
bullshit answer, because you can bring anybody back. This is
where like even say, I can debate canon this and that,
but it is a fictional world. You can bring anybody back.
They brought back Palpatine, They brought back Soca Darth Maul
all for three different reasons. Right, they brought back with
that because he just survived in the belly of a beast. Like,
you can write anything, whether it is time travel, whether
it is something new for us, mumbo jumbo, even if
it's like people have been bringing up the diet thing
of Like I like that theory of oh, them two
together heals and brings life. Sorry, if you hear fireworks,
they can hear like he's they're literally right beside in
the baseball field. They're going off during the running man
just like pretty much so. But if you could do
that as far as oh, if they can heal Palpaty,
they could easily bring back each other. And I said,
I pitched he wouldn't that be a great bad guy
plot If you have these heroes that the only way
you get rid of them is you have to kill
both of them. Like man, that sucks like for the
bad guy. It's like, man like what a like what
a cool like plot like mcguffin of how do we
get rid of Ray? While we got to find the
soul of Kyler or whatever? Right, like tons of piots
Caribbean shit. That's why for me story wise, it doesn't
make sense. And I said to too, maybe even though
with that quote, maybe it is a bunch oftarry thing, right,
maybe they're like, hey, driver, he wants more money, now
you know. Maybe it is like Sem Soderberg is a
bigger director, he'd have more money. I still think there's
ways a cup. But maybe that's the thing, right. I
think you could also look at maybe, because we'll talk
about this too, maybe he looked at the reception of
the sequels and went, I don't know if I want
to do that. That doesn't make sense though, because there's
a ray movie, right, So the Ray movie. That's the problem.
With all the things I can give you, there's ways
I can shoot it dead.
Speaker 3: Ray movie is still like a thing.
Speaker 1: I thought they point is that, But my point is
they publicly announced that. Right If Iiger was so like,
let's get away from those bad sequels, like let's say
he at the end of the day was like the
sequel trilogy was a failure. I really want to get
away from that. Then the Ray movie would have never
been publicly announced, right, but it was publicly announced.
Speaker 3: But then it's that means it's not the problem.
Speaker 1: Then that's that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yes, the problem is this character died, and I think
it just comes down to being that simple, like, oh,
he's dead, We're not gonna bring him back.
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think it's that. I think
what it is to me, I think that's the way
to get out of it. It's fictional. This is the
same because they said this. And this is another point
I'm going to bring up that apparently Downey had said
this when Figgy and him came with the idea for
him doing Doom. They had to go to Iger to
pitch it, and Igre gave the okay. So there's two
versions of this. There's maybe whoever pitched it to them,
whether it's driver Kathy Dave, maybe they did just pitch
it in a shitty way. He's like, this doesn't make
any sense to me, Like, of course the guys are
gonna write the script and be like this is great,
and maybe he looked at it like, you know what,
this isn't great, So I'm being Devil's advocate. But what
I really think it is is this last line here
right where he goes, which is handmade and character driven.
That's to me the biggest problem with most of stuff
with Disney. You can look up Russo's did and interview.
The brothers who directed the Avengers movies talked about how
Disney's being more selective with the projects they're doing. I
think with Manularin Grogu, that's where I'm in such a
tough predicament. We'll be here, we'll review it. That's the show.
That's my other job of the business we own. I
don't have much excitement for that. I'm excited to watch
with my kids, but I'm in this situation now. If
I didn't have this podcast, I would probably skip and
way to home because my biggest worry is that and
the Scrouper was putting out they weren't hearing good things
about Mandalorian Grogu and I I think that movie is
at minimum maybe a six out of ten. I think
it could be a fun adventure, but I think it's
gonna be some Star Wars slob and my worry is
for Disney and many companies. But Disney is seeing stuff
like a Minecraft and you know, to me, if you
like it, that's great. I don't think it's there. But
the fact that's the second I think it's the se yeah,
second biggest North American film the year. I think they
look at that and they just want that for Molana
and Star Wars. And I think we all said they're
like Muana too. Yeah, that was fine, but guess what,
that made a billion dollars. It doesn't matter. That was
just okay. And I think that's the problem is I
think that you use words like character driven or deep
or like a character arc, I legitimately think that stuff
that is scaring these big wigs of like, well, we
can't do that, and even to the extent of it's
a little bit different. But we've said that with Marvel
right of like bringing back Downy and all these people.
It feels like these big companies are kind of scared
of doing something of oh, hey, we have a great
director who is not gonna make just like, oh, just
a big action like a Disney plus special. No, they
want to make a character driven story with Kylo Ren
who's already a deep character. I think that's more that. Yeah,
sure he's saying he's dead to get out of it,
but I think that's it that they don't want to
do that type of stuff right now. I think that's
the same case with Marvel. I think they'd be the
same case with Disney, with them just pumping out these
live action remaates because there's no creative like, there's no
real creative process with the live action remakes. It's literally
just copy and paste with a new style. And that's
where I think my issue is. I think there's many
routes that can go, but my worry is if Mandalori
and Grogu does really well, I worry that we're gonna
just get that type of Star Wars, And I don't
know what Starfighter is gonna be with Ryan Gossling and
Sean Leevy. Like I I like Dead Pull Wolverine. Actually
I love Dead Pull Wolverine, but that's more Ryan Reynolds
Free Guy I really liked, and I think a Star
Wars can be that, but I don't. I just like
between Mailan and Grogu and Starfighter if they are just
both very light swashback like, hey, Star Wars ton fun.
I'm not saying you can't have that. My worries with
Star Wars becomes that and before it throw back to you.
That's my thing of what I don't understand. That's where
someone might be like, oh, it could be because he's dead.
No again, you can resurrect them. There's easy ways with this.
I agree with people that this for just the online community,
because I was definitely online for this, because you know,
Adam Drive, Like I've said this before, I'm done having kids.
If I had a boy, his name would have been Kylo.
We had that saved for nine years. Now it's just
going to a dog at some point in the future.
But like loveless character, even though it had a very
turmoil in the riot, like this trilogy. But that's one
thing where some of the most die hard I hate
Disney Star Wars can be like, well, you know what,
Kylo Ren was not too bad, you know, like he's
one of the more constants as far as the character
people enjoy, and he's one of my favorite characters and
as far as performance, did very well. And that's where
for me and I want Ray back too. I don't
think it's an either or. But if I'm that company
that's looking at these two properties, oh, the Ray movie
or the Kylo movie or the Ben Solo movie, the
Ben Solo movie is the safer route because more people
are united on that. There is way more excitement or
at least controversy or talking about this movie not happening
than there was for the man wearing grogu trailer that came, oh,
it's there and then they moved on the next day,
where this is eventually, yeah, people will move on, But
this is like, man, we could have had that, which
happens a lot with Star Wars. But that's the thing
where it's like, the Ben Solo is a safe for bet.
But that's where I go back to. I bet the
Ray movie or the project they're gonna go into that's
probably more. Ah, that's a lighthearted this and that, because
as much as I love Daisy Ridley, I don't know
if she's going to get her own writers, her own directors.
A pitch for Adam Driver, and it's not her fault.
Adam Driver's like a much bigger star, right, so he
has more sway in the business and can do these things.
So that's the thing where I could see him coming
on board, and that's being his vision where Daisy Ridley
is just back to play Ray. And that's not bad.
But that's where to me, if you're looking at the
two on paper, doesn't make any sense not to try
this and do this, and maybe you can have some notes,
maybe say hey, don't go too dark on it, but
it's just that it's so odd in a time where
Star Wars is so kind of messed up right now,
that they wouldn't even can like I'll say considered, but
I mean like, wouldn't even like, let's continue this to
go forward, right, And I just I really don't know.
And that's the thing where I just I feel like
this would have been safer because there's lots of people
that don't like Ray, that are genuine and didn't like
the character and felt was rushed or turned to Ray,
nobody to Ray Pulptine and then there's the assholes, right,
But it's it's it's it's one of those decisions where
it's just it's strange to me, and I think there
there's lots of potential in a project like this because
I also like the character. But just like he says,
we all felt that's why when he died, And that's
another thing. We all heard that he didn't want to
come back for Star Wars, and apparently he always did.
So that's where it's again, you always got to take
rumors with a grain of salt. And I feel like
all of us were disappointed that he died in nine
because it felt like there was so more do that character.
And he even feels that way, right, So it's it's
it's kind of frustrating. But is there anything more specifically
that you want to say on the Driver project? Also
it's gonna come up again, but anything more on the
Ben solo side, Adam Driver the stuff?
Speaker 2: I mean, you had mentioned that between the two where
you have fi Gee and Downey going in to pitch
they successfully pitched with Doom, and then you have Yeah,
Kathleen looks film and I'm Driver going in and there
pitch and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who was there. I just said
we presented the script, so I don't know who. Obviously
the WII is I'm gonna assume it's him and other people,
but I don't know if it's Kathy or Dave or
Christina Beck. I don't know, but that was just what
he said we presented the script.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's it's really conflicting to kind of
try and figure this out.
Speaker 3: But I yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like when people in suits kind of get
down into the nitty gritty of things and make those
kind of calls. I don't think that it's right, like
that's its ideal.
Speaker 3: And I mean, yeah, when.
Speaker 2: You're looking at it in terms of just a dead
character and bringing him back. Star Wars has a lot
of different ways of going about it. I mean, the
diet is definitely an interesting theory, and then they have
time travel with the world between worlds. There's definitely room
to to play with there. I'm just I'm not a
fan with how they they had to you know, ghost
body disappear to the Force when they did episode nine.
Speaker 3: I wish they didn't do that. But to each his own.
Speaker 1: But like I said, to my point, though you never
saw that Force goes after it, you can may get
some fucking shit that his body his Force spirit travel
to somewhere else and is off in the eather somewhere,
you know, like you can do like again, that's the
thing like Boba fet and I know you could defend
it by saying, oh, like you know what happened in
the comics see the Sarlac. But it's still that was
a dead character. George never brought him back. Dave before
never brought him back. But they had no problem green
lighting a whole TV show.
Speaker 2: With that guy, right, that character is probably Eiger's choice, right, well, yeah, character,
all this money we'll make when we do this. Oh boy,
he was such a hit when we did Mandalorian and
he appeared in there. So yeah, I just when you
look at all these things, all these different shows you
can and in comparison to the shows we'll talk about later,
but the shows that we have right now, I think
you can kind of see a train or a trajectory
of stuff that they think would be they being Iiger
and Disney would be a degree of money making shows
or like yeah because Obi won, Like we're gonna talk
about that later with the movie, but it's like, hey,
a TV show, Oh yeah, that'll get subscribers to Disney
plast And I think like they were trying so hard
to get all these movies off the ground.
Speaker 3: But I think.
Speaker 2: I'm just assuming at this point that it's an Eiger
call where he's like, oh, let's just focus on the
streaming right now, we need to get our streaming numbers out.
Speaker 1: Not anymore though now right because he's the moneymore. He's
the one that turned because I don't know if I
put this in the notes, but we knew this before
because he did this with Mawana. He's the one that
turned Mandalorian season four two a movie. There was I
think scripts for all the episodes. The original scripts apparently
had Bubbaffect coming back to try to like fix the character,
I guess, but they wanted a movie. So I think
there was a time where they're all streaming after COVID,
and I think when they lost a lot of money
now they went, oh, let's go back to theaters. But yeah,
we can talk about some of these notes that these
so this portion now we're like, we'll talk about the
Kyle rid thing. Probably get at some point throw. But
also I can say, is the just shot to the heart.
And I hope some way this is the obiwe where
it eventually happens. Granted, I don't love the Obi Wan show,
Like there's some great stuff in there, and luckily I
can watch it because I'd like the majority of it.
I do actually like the movie edited version, and Iwan
McGregor goes a great performance, so I'd like a shot
that and like to see this team. But these are
some now into the rumors portion of the people that
start speaking now when some of the stuff started to
come out and Leak is like, oh, I've heard other stuff,
so this one might affect you more than me these
two points. But definitely wanted to keep the Clone Wars
going when they bought Disney, Bob Auger showed it down.
Iiger didn't want Clone Wars back when it came back.
He wanted to stay away from the George prequel stuff,
and apparently Cathy had to fight hard for it. That's
something people had brought up a few times, like the
Scooper had brought up that he really wanted to get
away from some of George's stuff. And then Dave wanted
to do the soun Datha Meir story sixteen episodes. Bob
only gave them twelve and shot down the whole Datha
Meir thing, which is just kind of funny because like
even then, I'm like, why does Bob care about Like
if you do the Son of Dafmere, I maybe that's
the thing. These are rumors, right, I could see literally
just being hey, if it's sixteen episodes and I'll give
you twelve, and Dave chose to cut the daf Mears stuff, right,
because that's why it could be twisted, just like, hey,
I'm gonna give you a budget to finish it. I'm
only giving you twelve. But that's the way it's pitch.
But yeah, what do you think about some of that
stuff about the Clone Wars and again just rumors, but
if this were to be true.
Speaker 2: I mean a Clone Wars. You know, I'm a big
fan of the Clone Wars. I love that show, and
so for that to be taking that on and keeping
it going, which you know, we did get the final
season not long last, and that's that's something that probably
took a lot of pushing. But before I get into
the sons of death in your topic, the idea that
Eiger wanted to break away from the George Lucas era
of things, the prequel era of things, I think that's
I think that just.
Speaker 3: Doesn't it doesn't age very well.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of weird for him to do that,
because I mean, I feel like these that era has
definitely improved. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like
it's definitely improved in popularity over the years, just like
a Revenge of the Sis and I put that in theaters.
Holy fuck, the movie made like it did pretty good.
Speaker 3: It did pretty good.
Speaker 2: So when you look at them being concerned about this
whole prequel era, like, I just I don't. I don't,
I don't, I don't get it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: So all boy Devil's advocate, because if you listen to
those early casts, I was that guy. I was. I
think I understand because you got to think where Bob is,
where he buys this, and I was trying to pull
it up, but I we won't read it right now.
There's an interview or there's experts from Bob's book in
twenty nineteen where he talks about buying lucasfilm and it
kind of felt like him and George had like an
uneasy agreement and he was trying not to like like
say things like promisings to George that weren't true. So
I would say, reread that because rereading that now knowing
some of this context of maybe he wasn't a fan
of that stuff. It's an interesting read. For me, I
was somebody if I don't say Mentichlorians. Even the first
line of Force Wakens was this will begin to make
things right right, So it's like kind of a shot
at the prequels, I think, and this is where I
can admit that I'm wrong. Where definitely there's tons of
prequel way more because I feel like I just grew
up with people that like Star Wars and then Stars
Prequel and then ways we got older, it was fun
to dog on it right and even myself too. I
remember when we did the commentary tracks, it's like, oh,
these last time I'll watch these prequels, that'll be it,
because I yeah, overall it's like good stories for me
or good not story because there is a good story there.
I think it's the execution of that. I don't necessarily
think they're the best movies, but as I got older,
it's not I appreciate them more, but I appreciate aspects
because like I've said, the reason I watched Phantom Menace
is I do love Qui gon Jin. I love Liamnesen
as that. So you know what, I will now watch
it for the rest of my life, even though yeah,
Jarjo's annoying, and there's a bunch of other issues in
there and Annie, but the things changed. But I remember
at that time in my life, I was the same
way when you're coming up the prequels, and that made
a lot of people like you botched Darth Vader's story.
Look at all the CGI, the Annie kid jar like
they had so much heat. I can't understand at that point,
when you bought it and you were trying to resurrect it,
why you were trying to get away from it. Now
I can say I think there's an overcorrection because I
don't think getting rid of the Clone Wars is like,
I don't think that's hurting anybody, you know, so to
be like get rid of that like No, I think
it has its fans, right, and I think as we've
seen is a strong point, and I don't think they're
doing that. You should not here to one on it is.
You should try to go to several. You should go
to the old people, you should go to the new people,
you should go to the prequel people, you should go
to the EU people. It shouldn't be because what happens
is I'm with somebody that doesn't love that prequel area.
Era like Taylor, But you know what they do, they
make me hate the original era because we just keep
going back to the Dark Times. That is my favorite trilogy.
But I get bored of these projects the same way.
Like I feel like, even though you're gonna check it out,
I feel like you're probably a little bit bored when
they're like, hey, you know the next animated show, another
Darth Maul show about this period. It's like, yeah, sure,
we like Darth Maul and we'll watch it, but it's
like there's nothing else we can do well, I know
what I mean, Like there's nothing else we can do now.
And it feels like they're doing that with the Prequels.
That's where I can kind of understand where he was
when he bought it as far as like, you know what,
that was an ify period, let's go away. But I
also think maybe they overcorrect it and they they miss,
including myself, misunderstood how many fans there were of that era.
Sorry to cut you off, I just want to end
the point.
Speaker 2: I think when you look at like, yes, Sons of
the Death of your show, I think that's just it's
too little, too late, Like it's gonna be I'm sure
popular to some degree, but there's not.
Speaker 3: A lot of hype surrounding it.
Speaker 2: No, like no, I just I just think that there's
a show that came out a long time ago, Like
if this was you're let's say the first well, Disney
Plus wasn't a thing until twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: So yeah, which is fair, right, But then at the
same time, it's like, is this stuff happening just because
they're like, yeah, we need some content, and which isn't.
Speaker 2: Good either, right, it is, you know exactly it and
along with Tales the Jedi, Tales of the Empire, whatever,
like it's just that stuff too. It's just, oh, here's
some content just to fill in because Clone Wars is over,
Rebels is over, and it's it's a.
Speaker 1: Shake the subscribers to have something.
Speaker 3: Right exactly.
Speaker 2: So again, I think that if this was you know,
you're dropping Mando in that first year of Disney Plus,
and all of a sudden, hey, we've got another animated
series coming. You guys love Clone Wars. We'll here's Sons
of Death of here, and it's like, oh fuck, this
is great because this is not just like Clone Wars.
It's more of like an anthology storyline which is pretty exciting.
I just think that those are opportunities that they really
botched and they missed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing too, where just who knows
what happened there? If there's power shrug all this stuff
Disney in general. That's why I probably put on the
other people. Not much of a plan with Star Wars unfortunately, right,
but we did tell about oh we want Apparently Eiger
turned down it being a movie, which again that's just
and again to play Devil's advocate. I think we talked
about this before too, where I could see after Solo
Bombs where they go, you know what, we don't want
to misk it. That's lots of money, and also that
this is in the era of let's push Disney Plus, right,
So it's like I can see the business sense because
I was the same thing too. I've said this before.
We're Loki and King. I was like, oh, this is
a great idea to have your next big bad debut
on Disney Plus, because now these shows are important. I
think they were important, but then we found out that,
you know what, I feel that watched those movies, they
don't always want to watch all these shows and do
connect all this and we saw the numbers shot for
the shows in the movies, so I could see that
after Soulo happens, you're scared. I to me, think again,
it's Apples to Oranges. That's a solo prequel with an
entire new cast. You have the guy who played you know,
not the original one, but Obi Wan for three movies, right,
he played him more than aln Guinness. Alec can get
it or Micky get is Guinness or mc guinness.
Speaker 3: Am I for it's Alec Guinness.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm it's late, some fucking it up, but I like.
But that also goes into okay alkins. It also goes
into like the prequel stuff too right. I may they oh,
well that's connected to that era, and that's too much
of a risk. Let's not do that. I think we
we won't say much there because we told about before
that Obi Wan should have been a movie, and I
think all that stuff with Reva and other things felt
like it was just it felt like it was a movie,
and it's like, how do we make this into six
episodes while we'll fill all these other storylines right? Like
it always it should have been a movie to begin with,
and I think it would have been successful too, which
is a shame I think done more than solo. So
let's see. So here's one that hurt us. But and
it makes sense because we've heard rumors about the oh
they were working on Ben Soul stuff and we didn't know,
and now it makes sense that this was probably that project.
We've heard rumors of both of these things. Apparently Star Wars.
Lewis Film was working on an Old Republic movie trilogy
and a Darth baand series, but Iiger killed those. This
is what I would have to be. I'm curious about
because we've gone many rumors these past couple of years
about that Folony is not a fan of this era, right,
So here's the thing. There's either two ways where it's
like and I guess Kathy's pitching it. There's a way
that Flonies might not be a fan, but he might go, hey,
let's change up and do some new stuff and he
goes to igur or it's a thing of if someone's
working on it and Dave's kind of pitching it, like
it might not be like a hard pitch, right like, oh,
like they like we could do this Old Republic this
that we don't know. But That's the thing where I
would like to know why he would turn these down,
because if the narrative is, okay, he didn't like the
prequels and he didn't like some of Georgie stuff. Okay,
let's say that's the narrative, right, that makes sense for
Obi Wan, that makes sense for Clone Wars. Why do
you think that he would because with Felony we kind
of understood that the rumors are that he loves Georgia
Star Wars and like the Old Republic kind of like
goes against some of that stuff, right, doesn't feel like
the prequels or the Clone Wars. So we kind of
know what Dave, why do you think Iiger would you know,
punt down these like Old Republic and Darth Bane.
Speaker 3: It's not safe. That's that's the main thing. The biggest
thing was.
Speaker 2: Like you highlighted earlier, like okay, yeah, prequels, don't want
to do that. It's time to you know, this will
be beginning. This is the beginning of making things right,
you know, and Force Awakens, and Force Awakens the first
Disney Star Wars project to come out since the acquisition
is very much you know, I won't say a carbon copy,
but very much inspired by a New Hope Holy smokes it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's them, and that's a big I think I
gored decision where hey, we just want to ride off
of something that people are could be familiar with and
we'll be successful and just not touch those prequels at all.
So you make sense, you have that, and it's again
it's safe, it's not doesn't mean it's right, though. I
think if they were to tap into doing a Darth
Baane and like the Old Republic, oh my gosh, that's
just it. That's it's just it's it's a night and
day choice. It makes so much sense, and I bet
you it's something will eventually get down the road.
Speaker 3: Just you know, they.
Speaker 2: Even when you look at something like The Acolyte, it
still surprises me that that got made then, because I
feel like that's just going too far into the past
for their comfort. I mean, Acolyte is probably one of
their more bolder attempts at doing something.
Speaker 1: And well, that's what I was trying to I was
trying to find because I know we just did the
list for our ten year episode, but I was trying
to find god all the products they did because we're
talking about because I agree with you as far as
it being safe, that's it. So like, okay, so if
we go to the movies like, hey, sequel trilogy that's
baked in. Yeah, you got the audience from the original trilogy, great, okay.
And then this even Rogue one, which you know you
love and many other people love. Billion dollar movie that's
still tied to a new hope, right, that's tied to
the death Star plans and everything. Okay, So there's still
the thing, right, solo og character, so it's side to that.
So and then Manular and Grogu that is you can
say it's something new. But at the same time, even
the show Mandalorian, the iconography looks like Bogo fet right,
they had a young like a baby Yoda in there,
so they already knew that was going on. They needed
something for Disney Plus. And now the first movie back
from right, Skywalker is an established thing, right, and that's
where on the movie side. Starfighter is the first time
and maybe and maybe this is the hope, right that
these are reports that talk about maybe there's a change,
and we'll talk about that in a second Starfighter as
of right now is something that's not if Ray cameos
in there, it's not connected to anything, right. So that's
why for me, I really want Starfighter to do well.
I hope it's a good movie, but I hope it
does well because, like you mentioned with Acolyte, you know
that was maybe not the the success they are hoping for.
But where is the TV show list? Hear? Hang on
Star Wars Disney Plus, because yeah, I know we went
over because even then with like Clone Wars, they that
was during COVID and they let some things go. Okay, cool,
let's see where.
Speaker 4: Is Okay, don't give me the animation New Bastards, Oh
my god, Okay, saman Lauren we talked about kind of
has some vari isms too, and it's like also like
still connected to the original trilogy because it's a sequel
in between right.
Speaker 1: Book A Boba Fett offs the Og character and then
cut tied demand Warren. Oh one, sure, it's a prequel
thing tied, but it's still I mcgreg or biggest star
and it's still somewhat typed the original trilogy and or
tied to billion dollar movie. Ahsoka. That's fully dazing and
I'm sure Dave could pitch that as far as like, well,
it's gonna tie into and even then they set her
up in Mandalorian season two, right, so that's like a
spin off show of Hey, Mandalorian's very successful for us.
This is a character, right. Acla and Skeleton Crew are
the first, like the first two shows that really have
nothing to do with anything, and unfortunately, for whatever reasons,
like whether it's critical or viewership, both under delivered for them. Right,
So that's the thing. And that's where with Aclyte that
did come up again from this scooper where apparently it
was where was it? Aclite was supposed to be more
the description was more crazy and dark, but Disney and
Dave decided to pull back on that. And that's where
again I don't know on where we had already heard
those rumors of Folony mess Well wasn't e rumors. What
happened was, remember the show, one of the writers of
the show, So they had to present everything to Dave
and something's changed, and then she deleted all her tweets
because people are like, what do you mean they all change?
So you know, again I don't know what you know
is happening with Dave and whatnot? So yeah, that sucks,
like I want those. That's why I hope Starfighter does good.
I think Star Wars should branch out, but I think
maybe talk about they're scared. The last two notes here
and this is one that I got Taylor really mad,
not me as much, but I understand Kathleen Kennedy want
because her plan was to use George's scripts and to
keep him aboard. She wanted to use them, and then
when they went to a different way, apparently that led
to they said falling out. I don't think it was
an actual falling out between Kathy and iigre, but I
think just in the sense of you understand of you're
probably on one page, and if you have an argument
with a friend business partner, it's like, oh, now we're
on different tracks. It sounds like that was at least
the first time where George scripts were going to be used,
but then they went a different route, And yeah, I
guess part of that was Kathleen Kennedy wanted like Ray
and Luke to be like the main characters of the
whole trilogy, where I guess it kind of just went
down to Ray and stuff. But did you have any
came on that because you weren't happy about that.
Speaker 2: Ah, the Sacred Texts. Yeah, I mean that was just
a running joke for a while, just bringing it up, like,
oh yeah, Disney bought them and then just written them
in front of George.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But at its core, the fact that it's it's come
back into the fold here, I'd be curious. I mean,
the Guardians, Guardians of the Wills or whatever he titled them.
Those original scripts, I can't remember, but there was definitely
some story there, and it would have been very curious
to see what we could have gotten.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I remember at a point I was gonna mention earlier,
oh fuck, did I lose it again?
Speaker 1: Ship?
Speaker 3: It was that how they ah, how they fuck?
Speaker 1: Oh in public felony Accolte.
Speaker 3: It was with Adam Driver. Uh fuck, and that's annoying.
I remembered it. It just disappeared, Okay, come back, it'll come back.
Speaker 2: But anyways, yeah, I just I think that with with
them buying these scripts, bringing them in and then just
to not use them.
Speaker 3: Like it's I don't know.
Speaker 2: I get you want to drift away from what Georgia created,
but I don't think that these scripts necessarily would have
been too prequelly.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious saying there's a good chance there would
have been.
Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance this.
Speaker 1: Whole Guardians of Will's thing and getting into like it's
very I think what I would have liked, because they
still use some things because then George's real original script,
Like there was a character like Ray that they kind
of changed her name with something else. Luke was a hermit,
so like there is some aspects there. I just it's
tough for me because I think George is a good
idea guy. I think the best way would have been
having write his scripts and then someone polished them off,
because that's what I think worked with the original trilogy
for me was there George's ideas and his big concepts.
But then other people like god, who's the guy that
did number two, Lawrence Kasen, Right, he came in and
then did a lot of rewrites on that right, And
to me, when the prequels was just George writing, that's
where you did get a lot of it. And again
I can see Iigre being like, hey, everyone made fun
of those movies for their dialogue or some of those
acting choices, and it's like, do we want to risk
this again with like the new thing, so I think
there's a happy medium where they could have kept them
on board. But at the same time, I think, like
he said, though, that probably would have just been another
power struggle that would have been a very because now
they're like and I think that was probably why George
left or they ham leeve or whatnot, because how like,
how do you've done that? It's it's the thing you created,
but now you're being toltally you can't do this, this
and this. He sold it, so technically igres every right
to do that, right because he bought it. But at
the same times, like, I think that would have been
a very at one point, I don't think it ever
would have worked out. So it's probably just for working
and not saying the sequel trilogy worked out. I'm just saying,
like George being there full time, I think at some
point they would have butted heads and luckily it just
led to a spot where they just kind of left
and then George was out of there. But I can
see why he was probably worried because I think it
could have been too prequelly, like this the allread when
you're about the guarding the wills and stuff. But it
could have been good but I don't know that, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, I just feel like it would have been different
enough because it's going to be jumping ahead after this
the original trilogy, yeah, instead of being more in that
prequel era of sorts. So that's my only kind of
foundation for that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2: They must have pulled some inspiration.
Speaker 3: I'm swimming from those scripts, but they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kylo Ray and where Luke is though those were
in his original scripts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just hit the idea though, just really just
letting them sit there and stew Yeah, it's just it's something.
Speaker 1: That's Yeah, And in the last note, this is about
the currently thing currently. There's a camp that wants to
overhaul the content currently and that's oh sorry. There's kind
of two camps at Lucasfilm right now, camp that wants
to stay the stas quo and the camp that wants Overhaull.
Apparently Dave wants to do the overhaul and Kathy wants
to stay the stas quo. I can imagine Kathy probably
wants to stay the status quo because she is at
some point in the next years retiring, so I imagine
he probably doesn't want to do like an overtaking of
all this stuff, and maybe she also just feels like,
you know, these shows of work, Let's get the movies
back on track. And I don't know what Dave's overhaul is.
Right on paper, that sounds good because it's like, yeah,
Star Wars has been through the fucking shits the last
through of the years, so it does need an overhaul,
but that I don't know what his overhaul pitches, right.
It could be something great. His overhaul could be let's
just do Clone Wars era of stuff and that's it.
Let's do nothing else but Ahsoka projects, right, So it's like,
I really don't know, and we're gonna find out, and
that's gonna be a thing we're gonna find out too.
And they name presidents and people because Kathy's on her
way out and IG's on our way out. But for me,
I it's that's that rumor. When that was been there,
I was like, well, I have no context for this,
cause it's like what would be the overhaul plan? And
I understand why she would want to just be stats quo.
And even then it's like what is the status quo?
Like getting shows out and canceling movies like man o
learn Grog was happening. Great, but that was a TV show.
Starfire is gonna come out, so we're gonna have to
see what happens there. But I really like and I
I feel to end on this as we're winding down,
I'll throw back to you. I feel like whoever iiger,
Kathy Floni. Of course I want the Ray movie. I
like if Mangold gots movie going, et cetera. But I
feel like you really can't do much until you see
all these next two movies do right, Like and I
feel with Manure and grogu yeah, sure, I think it'll
be a hit. But as we've talked abou before, since COVID,
there's tons of movies that are part of big ips
and they just bomb and they don't do well right.
And it's like even in that same breath, Solo came
out when movies were making billion dollar movies, like billion
dollars all the time, Like Solo bombed and didn't make
money in that era, right, So it's like now we're
an era where COVID happened. People are more picky than ever.
There's more stuff on streaming services than ever. There is
a chance that I've said this before me. I'm we're
talking about and I've said on the show that what
if people see that manure and grogu at the theater,
they go, eh, I can just wait till home, because
I watched the rest of it at home, right, So
we don't know and say the Starfighter, Well, if they ah,
there's no characters I love here. So it's like to me,
I understand if, like if that's the idea Kathy, like
the status quo, like don't shake things up for a bit.
I do understand that because you haven't had a movie
in six years. So it's like, to me, you can't
make really any moves until you because you know what
Disney Plus does now and you know that. It's like
it's you only get so much back from it subscribe
a rise, right, So to me, it's like, until you
see what these next two movies do, what is the pivot, right?
Because if it's like if both movies do great, then
I think it's like, oh, you're gravy and maybe can
experiment and do a bunch of other stuff. But then
if one does great and one doesn't do the other,
it's like it tells a bunch of stuff. So I
really don't know, but yeah, what are your last thoughts on,
like what what what they should do in the next
couple years here because obvious again lots of changes, Kathy's leaving,
Bob's leaving at one point, you know. Oh and then
we do have some Patreon questions from Clay before we
end off obviously.
Speaker 3: So ah, yeah, I mean you have to.
Speaker 2: All the suits are running the show, and so for them,
they need to see what these next couple of projects
are going to do financially.
Speaker 3: That's the big kicker.
Speaker 2: Even if they do good, I don't think you're gonna
get stuff like Bane or Old Republic stuff, right, yeah,
doing what they're doing, I think.
Speaker 1: If they do, I think that out of all this stuff,
I do think the Kylo Ren think could always happen
the Old Republican Bane stuff. That's like that to me
is a stretch. I almost think that that that's in
a situation where maybe Star Wars just has to be
doing good all the time and then they're like, Okay,
we can take a risk and let's try something else out,
you know, and it's like, I don't know if they
want to do that, especially after Acolyte now too, if anywhere.
We could have got that on TV, but I don't
know if we'll get that now. So yeah, we'll see.
So okay, cocktail. Clay sent in three questions. One I'd
say is a joke? And then to our series. Do
you think they threw out the project because Ben Sola
wasn't projecting a child in the script which I'll see
you know, Starfighter Mandalorian Obi won does happen a lot,
And I am very much. You know I said this before,
even though kind of wasn't exactly that, like twenty years later,
was a fun evolution on that. I think, Yeah, we
need to be done with the whole protecting a little
person in Star Wars. You know, I hope that's not
a case anymore. Do you actually think it would have
been tell the Hunt for Ben Solo? Yeah? What do
you think would that have been? That? And then? And
then would you have liked that title if it was?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not terrible, but I don't think they
would have called it that.
Speaker 3: I think they would have called it.
Speaker 2: Like hunts, a force hunt or something like that.
Speaker 1: Uh, I think they would have called it that. I
actually I think I know Clay and the discord, you said,
you hated it. But the reason I like it is
it's a double entendre, Like it's very obvious, but I
feel like one that'd be part of the script of
maybe there's a few people ray hunting for him, bad guys,
good guys of knowing Kylo Ren ak Ben souls out there.
And also just for sure Kylo Ren became Ben Solo
for like five minutes a Rise of Skywalker. But it's
like the for Him, the Hunt for Bensol, like trying
to get Ben Solo back and to try to be
that good guy again and that good person, a good
Force user. So I don't mind the title. It's not like, oh,
that's amazing, no, But I actually do think it would
have been called the Hunt for Ben Solo because yeah,
Star Wars Hunt for Bensol. Yeah, I just think it
would have been I that to me just sounded like
the real title obviously could have been working title, but
I bet it was.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then finally, Clay says, if you could pick out
of the entire regime, pick a completely non Disney affiliate
director producer to run lucasfilm, Star Wars, Any and Jones
eccession for the next twenty years who would it be?
So obviously you can't pick like a Felony or a
Favro or anybody like JJ anyone. So as someone that's
not had their hands on Star Wars, who would you pick?
And why is it big Dan Lynn? Why is it
the rock? Get the rock in there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I was trying to think on a
good answer for this, and it's it's tough. I mean,
I'm not very familiar with a lot of big head
hon shows.
Speaker 1: So uh, he's a director too, he said, a director,
director too, he's a director or producer.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna take a cheap, cheap shot here,
Taylor Sheridan put the guy in there. He can he
can work some comedic stuff, but it's also really really
good serious dramatic stuff too.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, this is the toughest one because it
always to me because like because to his point, like
James Gunn was a director and he took over DC, right,
so it does happen like obviously shares with Peter saffrom
Star Wars is so tough because I did say on
the and Clay you would hate this if I wouldn't
say Dan Gilroy because you don't like the Andor stuff,
and there's lots of people that don't like the Andor stuff.
For me, I was after and Or season two, I
was like, if Star Wars is in its meandering way,
let's just evolve it. And when people like you can't
have sexual star in Star Wars, to me, it's like, well,
maybe you can in the new Star Wars and all
these themes because it's you know, let the past I
kill it a behalf to rite and that's where it's like,
I'm still fine with the past of Star Wars, but
if it's having all these issues and we got to
do some evolving, let's get it to a point where Okay,
if let's say the old school audience isn't coming out
to it, and let's say the kids go see Minecraft
now and other stuff, it's not that family franchise. Make
it that critical like a dune, right, Doing's not for families.
But people see that because the amazing visuals, great cast,
but that world and the writing, it's you fall in
love with the themes of that world. Make Star Wars
like that, right. It's that's not like the Buck Rogers
cartoon that George was inspired by but it's not his
Star Wars anymore. But I don't think they do that,
And I don't even know if that's right right for
me to say, Oh, should they make Star Wars without kids? No,
it's a tough one because it's like another person I
thought was Damon Linda Off, who's done Watchman and he's
doing stuff with DCU, and he's done stuff with like
Prometheus and Lost. But even him, like when I heard
the rumors of his script, the rumors was Ray was
gonna be in it, but as like an eighty nine
year old woman, And I'm like, well, that's a cool concept,
but it's like Daisy really still right here, Like don't
make her ad Like that's a huge time jump, Like
like you want to see these characters now, we don't
have to do the whole Oh man, we never got
Luke or we never got like Harrison Ford and then
back and Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher because now they're
forty years older and some passed away and they didn't
have screen time. It's like, you have these actors in
current like Finn and Poe and Kylo. If you want
to bring them back, you have them around. You can
just do this. You don't even have to wait thirty years,
Like why we aging up an actress? It was right there.
So that's the tough thing of like who, like there
is no one that springs to mind, and there's no
one of like a big sense of like a nol
In or like a danevel New where it's like they're
not gonna take that on, right, So yeah, it's it's
a tough thing. So that's why I just I would
lean on the Gilroy thing. But I don't think that,
like I know tons of people, like people with kids
would not love that. That's gonna be a whole new
Star Wars, right, So this is like a personal thing
for me to see what it would be like. And
again also I don't know if this is controversial as well.
I don't know if I could give him the keys,
but like I really liked Skeleton Crew and to me,
John Watts did a perfect amalgamation of something completely new
buttributing to the past. Question is what he do you
know other old school stuff like Old Republic or other sequels.
So it's really tough of who would take this over.
I know people might throw it like a figy, but
like I again, that's like let him say with Marvel
do his thing. To me, it's that's his thing. And yeah,
I just I don't know. It's a tough nut to crack.
So that's where I just I lean on the Dan Gilroy.
Oh I no, No, he's a completely non Disney affiliator.
So I have to pick someones not do anything in
Star Wars, right So yeah, and like I'm gonna I
guess I could say Damon Lindolf because you know, he
wrote a script but it didn't happen. Right. At one
point I would have said JJ, but I don't know
about JJ anymore. Yeah, so I'll just I'll go with
Damon for now. But I'll say there's like no big
perfect person for it right now that springs to mind,
Like even your tailor shirt is not too bad. I
don't watch shows, but like some of his movies can
be quite good. Yeah, I'm just trying to think of
anybody else, even on the Pixar level. But yeah, I don't,
I don't know if it's there, you know, so anything
else Taylor on this topic M just anger. It's just aggravating,
it's frustrating.
Speaker 2: But I'm just happy to have a little bit more
light shut on this and so I can kind of
redistribute my anger and my blame. It's at this point,
like I said before, we got to see how the
upcoming projects are going to do financially, see if they're
feeling comfortable, if they're going to be safe or whatnot.
You highlighted how some of these movies nowadays like they
lack development, but they're like Fortnite, not a Fortnite Minecraft
and stuff like that. So I think it's unfortunate that
we have these movies just kind of like trying to
adhere to that theme and that atmosphere. I'm sure you know,
it's an interesting movie on its own, right, but it's
a shame that I think Disney just looks at the
next generation of things, so okay, these are the kind
of movies that we need to need to do to
meet that that kind of bare minimum. It's just it's unfortunate.
So I hope that they turn this around. I hope
that this project by Adam Driver does come to light.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's what I hope too. Obviously, in
the next tras I told you, I will cover it.
If people are listening, I'll probably announce on Patrio. I
don't know if I'll for sure do it on Wednesday
because this would have been the top. But I would
have rather had Taylor join me on this. I'm glad
we could get this going because I want his takes
and his thoughts and everything is also been get heated
about this, so I might wait till Thursday drop one.
But that's the thing with what you're just talking about there,
with movies and companies making these type of projects and content,
that's the thing that sucks with the news about Warner Bros.
Today And like they've been officially said they're up for
sales rumors, but today I said, there that and that's
where it's like, Man, in a couple of years, we're
not gonna have the May Studios. And that's where it's
just it's gonna I think in the next five years.
It's where I'm happy to support the eight twenty fours
and the Neons because I think in five to ten years,
the big IPS companies, it's gonna it could get really
bad because they're gonna make movies a certain way just
for pure money, and it's you're gonna lose almost all
sense of kind of artistry in it. So, yeah, like
you said, I hope this happens. Obviously. Sure you could say,
oh what if it happening just sucks like the other stuff. Sure,
but I'd like to try and have some faith and
some hope and hope that it wouldn't go down that
route and uh, yeah, we'll see. I hope this does happen.
I'd very much like to see Adam Driver play Kylo
Ren again at some point. Maybe they cycle back to this,
maybe get's put in the ray thing. I don't know.
And again, we have so much, we have the movies,
we have Kathy going at some point, I are going
at some point. There's so much change that's gonna happen
with Star Wars in general, So hopefully we can see
better days because I don't want to be I hate
that the thing I was most excited for in Star
Wars in the past, I'll say since Obi Wan and
Obi Wan was what, let me just twenty twenty one, right,
I think only one twenty twenty wait one or twenty
two twenty two, So I'll give it to that. Because
after the sequel trilogy had a lull, but when Over
one came out, I was very, very excited and there's
still been some great stuff, like Taylor, hopefully you're ready
and moved in next week. We got Visions season three
coming next week and that's gonna be fantastic hopefully. I
love Visions. Right. So again, it's not that all stories
has been bad, but the excitement that myself and many
others have is to like, I would say, had an
all time low, even lower than when it was not
getting any movies and whatnot, right, And that's where it
sucks that the thing that after so twenty twenty two
three years that I'm most excited for is dead and
buried and not didn't buried, I guess, but like is
dead on arrival as of right now. And I feel
that's the case for most people. It should not be
the thing. Obviously, projects are gonnaet canceled, not happen, and
there's gonna be a group of people that are excited
and go, oh that sucks. There shouldn't be something where
it's such a big uproar that everyone's like, oh, this
would be great to the point, and I'm sure there's
some people I don't want Colraine, that's fine, that's fine.
If you don't like SCO trilogy it's fine, but to
have so many people doing uproar and be like, you
know what, let's not do anything like that. That's what
it's like. Man, We're in some dire straits right now,
but who knows, we'll see what happens in the coming years.
We'll be covering it and I pross you. When we're back,
who knows where the cantina and we'll be boring. May
the Force be with you, oh,