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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to an impromptu, very

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impromptu because I don't have the fun opening the music.

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Nothing like that, I apologize, but impromptu late night canteen

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of conversations. No, we last year brought the show back

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for one off for the ten years, because I'll be

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special to bring all these shows back. It's not the

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eleven year, it's not back back. I just thought it

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was fitting to throw this on here. Could have been

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a newscast kind of is, but you know it's fitting

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because we're gonna, you know, cover a lot of topics

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that we have talked about over the many times in Cantina.

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So I am the number one kylerin Fanboy right there,

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tras now I'm joined by it.

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Speaker 2: I'm the deceived by a lie. We all were did

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in the field. Old Travis is gone.

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Speaker 1: My water rolled away, so I had to get it.

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So yeah, so yeah, it is a late night.

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Speaker 1: No, we were half an hour our twenties, so I

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sorry for anyone that watches like, Yeah, we were a

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little later because we were recording some other geek for

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stuff that you guys patrons will be getting on the

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feeds coming up. So we got Running Man retrospective coming up,

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and we got the Bike Rider's retrospective coming up. Both

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those exclusive to the feeds this week. So phase two

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and up, and yeah, Patreon do that. Everything you need

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to know is down below. It's late, so I won't

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do all links all say November eighth, twenty four hour stream,

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tons of fun. We're trying to raise funds for bc

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If you click on that link, that's where you can donate.

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It's tax dectable. We're gonna be announcing it. But that's

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where the schedule is. That's where the goals to unlock,

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where if we hit five hundred, one thousand, et cetera.

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All the things we do, some things are for content

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down the line. Some things are for that very fun day.

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So yeah, I would take a look at that and

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go see all the things you can do. I won't

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post it right now, but all my shirts and our

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shirts got in so you can go buy the shirts.

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We had some fun theme ones this year, and yeah,

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think it's gonna be a very fun kind of sequel

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to Gvdate because we had a very good time that one.

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But yeah, we very much appreciate it. All that money

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goes towards caregiving, surgeries, post surgeries, helping families, obviously helping

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just do a little bit, that would be great, because

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even if we don't hit our goals, the money goals

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towards the bc Chiln's Hospital. It's not something like a

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crowdfund or somewhere. You have to hit us and goal

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and the money goes. With no anything we can make,

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the money's going there, so we'd appreciate And if you can't,

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just on the day, come watch share the stream like it.

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All that stuff we'd very much appreciate because you just

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hitting that, like butndon taking literally five seconds out of

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your time to hit that. We'll push that forward in

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the feeds, get other people that maybe can donate too,

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So we'd very much appreciate that. And yeah, we thank

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you in advance for helping us out and helping kids out.

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It's our night you're doing it, so it will be

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a fun time. So no good transition to talk about

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something very great to something very bad, but I'll set

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it up, so what we're gonna do. So there's two

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portions here. We have the actual news news that was

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talked about from Adam Driver. That's, you know, as far

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as from him true right, we'll say he's not just lying.

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Anyone could lie, right, but we're gonna say that is.

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And then there was somebody that has gone some right.

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They are c Tor Scooper, so put that in mind.

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But it's stuff that they've gone Star Wars stuff right

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before they were one the people that talked about the

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Doomsday chair leak and that like saying, all this big

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thing's gonna happen on this day on Marvel, and it did.

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So there's some credibility. You know, you gotta take it

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for what it is, because, as we've learned today, we

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sometimes really know nothing right. And that's where I'll start off.

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talk about Dave Filoni and some issues, and we've talked

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about Kathleen Ken they and even this ball Bigers stuff

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we're gonna talk about. That's thing where it's all hypothesis,

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but really we don't know because for years we've never

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talked about this. Some of the people that talk about

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Bob Biger maybe be an issue, but for us, it's like, oh, well,

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some of the people we've heard talk about these things,

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it's like it's a Kaffee and Dave issue, right, But

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a lot of these issues sound like, okay, this makes

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a lot of sense. Why we go what's happening with

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Star Wars? Why are they acting like this? What's going on?

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that's that's kind of an unfortunate thing. But that's where

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for us, like we're having some fun theorizing talking about it.

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but today's shows we really know nothing because who knows

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what could be happening behind closed doors way way far.

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promoting right now. Must be something. Maybe he's just even

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on Broadway. But Adam Driver, I was doing an interview

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with AP News, and I don't They're kind of talking

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I guess I would be a bad host if I

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didn't just pull up the actual articles because I do

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want to say it. Let's see word for word here

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his quote because that's what happened. Where when this came out,

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this thing, like I got to people don't know how

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my notifications work because I try to not go on

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Twitter as much anymore. So I have certain accounts I

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have notifications on, unless it's Sporting Times wrestling in Sports Times,

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that's when I have the notifications on. But I'll try

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to find these Ezach quotes here. But I got the

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notification of Oh yeah, Adam Driver talks about Kyla ren

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film that didn't work out, and you just think, Okay,

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it's just something maybe they pitched talked about and maybe

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he wasn't even interested. Like I'm just thinking it's just

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one of those things of like an idea kicked around,

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but that's about it. And because there's hundreds of ideas,

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thousands of ideas with IP kicked around all the time,

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they thought, oh, just give me that. But then when

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you read the actual article and headline, which I cannot

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find for life me right now. But he talks about

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the process of what he was doing. He was writing

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a movie with the well he's help write a movie

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with Steven Soderberg, who's a great director, writers that had

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people do the Bourne legacy even Rowe one, but Steven

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Soderberg alone obviously not everything. He's not like a perfect

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sense that he's done many great things over his career,

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which is something that would be you know, refreshing with

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Star Wars to get some big star power behind it.

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But here we go. We presented this scractually. I'll read

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the full two paragraphs to set ou us up for this.

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Blah blah blah. Okay, so no, I don't need this,

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just described your news there, Okay, I was all. So

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here's where it takes over as am Driver. I was

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always interested in doing another Star Wars, says driver, who

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starts a Kylo Ren and the trilogy. I had been

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talking about doing another one since twenty twenty one. Kathleen

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director and a great story, I'd be there in a second.

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I love that character and I love playing him, so

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talk about this, and then they do say that they

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was when he actually pitched it. That's when it was

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shot down. But Driver says he took the concept of

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Sodaberg for a film that would take place after Rise Skywalker.

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a trilogy. Sodaberg and Rebecca Blunt outlined a story, outlined

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to rice script. Driver calls the result one of the coolest,

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fucking scripts I've ever been a part of. We presented

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the script to Lucasfilm. They loved the idea. They totally

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understood our angle and why we were doing it. Driver

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says that we took it to Bob Bierger and Alan

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Bergman and they said, no, they didn't see how Ben

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Solo was alive, and that was that it was called

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The Hunt for Ben Solo. It was really cool, but

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it is no more, so I can finally talk about it,

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Soderberg said in a statement. I really enjoyed making the

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movie in my had just soorry fans won't get to

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see it. Representatives of Disney and Lucasfilm declined to comment.

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about that's where everything changed, right, because those and that's

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where some people have talked about this is coordinated, like

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a Ryan Reis Deadpool thing. Who knows? And who knows

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that can even work because Kathy stepping down, I you're

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stepping down. That could be good for this project, bad

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for this project. Who knows. But it's just funny how

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a few words changed, right, because he could have said

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we pitched the film and it didn't happen. But the

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fact that he said that they pitched Lucasfilm, they loved it,

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and Disney shot down, that changed a lot of stuff, right,

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we talked about this after fact, in the twenty thirteen

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to make Captain Marvel and Black Panther, but he wouldn't

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let Figi in company do that because he thought, oh, well,

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you know, people of color, a woman like that's not

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gonna sell toys. People aren't gonna go there. Which funny

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though those two films became absolutely massive, right Obviously Captain

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Marvel sequel not as much, but Black Panthers still killing it,

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even though we lost Chadwick sadly. Right. So we've heard

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this before happening at Disney where and it's funny that

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like this is where I felt some what dumb that

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we never theorized this, because it's like we literally have

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talked about and this is in people's books. Figi's talked

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because we're so used to Disney. Obviously they have issues,

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but never those issues that Sony Marvel had or DC had.

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of these potential issues. Because that's a situation where Foggy

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has an idea for the Marvel universe, which that's the

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Marvel Universe cooking, that's after Avengers, and they said, no,

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you can't do that. The fact that the Adam Driver

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put out Bob Biger, and that's what people say, it's coordinate.

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was remember rumors that Driver was supposed to be Read

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Richard's they want a certain mountain. They kind of low

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balled them. So maybe he's kind of in a like

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a fuck these people mode. We don't know what the

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circumstance is. It is weird that Steven Soderberg also commented

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say like, oh, it would have been great. I'm sorry

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the fans they get to see it don't know what

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it is. And I almost do wonder too. Do you

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remember this was a couple months ago before I thirty

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for all this, but I just want to say this

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before it popped up. Remember there was at one time

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we were doing a newscast and like hours before we

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did that, it broke that Kathleen Kennedy was leaving Star

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and then a couple of days later, me and don't

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have weekly geek and I don't know if you remember,

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she talked about how she wasn't leaving and kind of

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putting out to the trades, like oh yeah, like it's

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not him, but it's somebody like you can put this

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information out that I'm leaving. Because it was almost weird

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that this report comes out like I'm leaving, and then

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a couple of days later she says I'm not leaving,

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even though she said like, oh yeah, we're working on

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a succession plan like I will be leaving, but it

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was almost for her to come out right away and say, hey,

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I'm not going anywhere right now. So that's where it's

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like this Eiger thing could be completely untrue, right, But

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it's like when I started to look at all the

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pieces of the Kathleen Kennedy news come out as she's

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leaving her go against it, the stuff with Marvel in

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the past, with other executives, the stuff with why they

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keep announced these films. And I don't get me wrong,

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but we've said, like, how come with Star Wars there's

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just such like a push and pull on a stop

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and start, like what's going on here? Right? And we

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have some other rumors. We'll get to stuff that wasn't announced,

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but yeah, what do you think what was your reaction

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to all this when you were getting this news? Because

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I was dropping it on the discord and I said,

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we'll just talk about this portion, not the other rumors

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I told you about. We'll say that for after, but

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just this portion of driver saying, hey, he pitched this

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movie and uh, Disney, Iiger shot it down, not Lucasfilm.

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You know, Dave Caffy all on board. Disney was the

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one that laid the hammer down on our poor boy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a lot. I gotta first put a

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track a reaction here. I've said some mean things in

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the past.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I ever said me, no, no, no,

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we've said critical things of Kathleen Canny, but we have

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never not unronically made the red eye, like we've never

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called her the name.

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Speaker 2: But I've definitely exerted anger at this situation because you know,

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just I'm a human being, you know I'm a victim.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at the situation, it's in

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everyone's natural instinct to always put the blame on somebody.

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Speaker 1: And everyone does you know, all listeners is like Travis.

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Speaker 2: So when you have a bunch of stop science roadblocks

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just kind of preventing you from it being able to

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really enjoy something or get more of something that you

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really really want, something that would be really great, it

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just doesn't make sense. You're gonna look at who is

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who has that gait, who's holding the bridge up, who

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is causing the it's the same as road rage. You're

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stuck in traffic, who got into you know, an accident

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up ahead? Who's being an idiot behind the wheel driving

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super slow?

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Speaker 3: You know stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: You just got to blame somebody. And so naturally my

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anger was directed at Kathleen Kennedy because I thought, hey, like,

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she's the head hauncho here at Lucasfilms, and I want

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to like, why aren't these projects moving forward? You know,

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they're right into trouble with all these movies and all

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these different things, which this does clear a lot of

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uh confusion with some of these movies and whatnot now

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that have been shelved.

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Speaker 3: So to see this happen.

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Speaker 2: I applaud Adam Driver because he didn't reveal any of

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the specifics of this movie.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like there's a reason for that, and

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maybe I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just heves the title.

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Speaker 2: He gives the title, but the title subject to change

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talk about later.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't give he didn't know. But here's the thing.

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He didn't give any plots things, but he gave way

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the fact. That's where I do believe in some I

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believe two things. Either he is pissed about something in

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just one round cages or it is trying to make

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a push because he did not have to reveal the director,

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the producer, the writer, the title, the pitch did he

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could just said, oh, we're working on movie didn't work out.

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He went in the full like we're doing this for

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two years. I will say he revealed a lot about

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the project that was usually don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still nothing nothing harmful though, like nothing that

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would like spoil it. And I think everything that was

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very if they let's say it's Star Wars celebration, they

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brought Adam Driver on a stage like, all right, give

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us the dates the next Stars movie, and he just said,

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here's a writer, here's a producer as a director, and

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here's the you know, but the outline is and the name,

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the title. It's like, hey, that's exactly what another any

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other cast member would do to present like the next

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Star Wars film. Like it's not revealing anything compromising, and

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I feel like he chose to be tactical about it.

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Maybe it is some kind of marketing thing. Maybe him

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and Kathleen Kennedy are like, hey, let's overthrow Ira. I'm kidding,

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but I think that there.

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Speaker 1: Is I don't think that, but there's there's still could

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be a power play, right of Hey, if you put

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that out there, let's see what happens, right, and then

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if it starts to cause especially if I don't know

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if more if there's more issues, that's the way you're

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gonna These big execs are gonna fight, right, It's not

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gonna be out in public. It's gonna be in the shadows.

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And that's the way we're Oh, let's let's put us

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on ball now, you know.

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Speaker 3: That's that's right.

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Speaker 2: And I think the funny thing about this is you

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have people that blame Kathleen Kennedy and you got people

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that blame Dave Filoni.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're both perfect out of the wake

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of this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they definitely have their preferences when it comes down

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to it, but it's it's it's interesting now to have

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this light really shone on this third character that's entered

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the arena here, the third contender. It's like, oh shit,

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Like okay, this guy is like you forget about Eiger

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being the head hon show and above all of them.

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Speaker 1: And so because even if, like when we tell about

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those rumors, even if none of that's true, this is

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like I said, I don't think he's lying. This is

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still driver saying thoughts that people that shut down, right,

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And because that would be even if we don't believe

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any rumors we could theorize of Okay, I don't think

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this would be the only project he would have shut down, right.

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I don't think this is the first time he went,

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you know what, Kyla Ren's project, let's let's not do that. Right,

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Like that there would happen to me.

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Speaker 3: What about the Game of Thrones? Guys right, it's like, oh,

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you know, maybe let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it, and then he watches or here's all

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the feedback from season eight Game of Thrones, He's like, oh,

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you know what, let's scrap this, let's not do it.

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I think that that is that's been happening this whole time,

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this whole time.

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Speaker 1: And the problem is too, Like I bet there's sometimes

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where Kathy has done that and I guess not problem.

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It's the way it works. But that's where we're an

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interesting predicament. We're obviously eigres above them. But you have Iiger,

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you have Kathy, and then you have Dave, who I'm

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sure all have three different likes and tastes and whatnot.

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So it's like there could be a project that one

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really likes but shuts down and vice versa. Right, So

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that's the thing where it's okay, who's doing what, who's

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stopping what. Also, we have some rumors about some of

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the projects Bob shut down, and there are projects that

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we would have liked, so obviously go right to him

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that he's the fallen Viillam. But I'm trying not to.

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But it is kind of funny that that's why use

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the headline the title. It very much is like Episode

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one with the Phantom Menace and Darth Maul of like, oh,

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he could be the guy behind the shadows doing these things.

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And that's where for me it is. I don't I

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think it is.

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Speaker 2: And that's purely based on just what Adam Driver said,

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Like there's just the response is here's the pitch for

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this new movie.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, but he's dead and that's it.

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Speaker 2: That is such a simpleton, out of touch with this

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whole like the community and the franchise kind of answer.

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That is such a big wig, big suit, you know,

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corporate response, and that's just that rouse me the wrong way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because to me, we talked about that a little

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bit yesterday at the gym, and that's where to me,

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that response, if he's dead, I think that is a

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that's not a true okay. I think that is what

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Driver and his team got. I think that's not the

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real reason why. It could be for a multitude reasons.

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It could be that they feel this is going to

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be too highly budgeted. Even though I should have pulled

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this quote where Adam River it's something about keeping the

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budget down or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Let's see here, wasn't that attached to the uh Empire

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strikes Back?

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Speaker 1: So Adam Drive reveals the cancel hunting thing. Yeah, he

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wanted it. This was inspired by Empire Strikes Back, which

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I'm sure most people always want to be right, but

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he said, we wanted to be Let's see, we wanted

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to be traditional about how we spend money and be

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economical with it, do it for less or do it

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for less than most. But in the same sphere of

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what those movies are, which is hands made, in character

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driven and Emi shrikes Back being in my opinion, the

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center of what those movies were. And that's where oh,

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excuse me, I had a bug my throat. That's where

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for me that he's dead. We all know that's a

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bullshit answer, because you can bring anybody back. This is

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where like even say, I can debate canon this and that,

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but it is a fictional world. You can bring anybody back.

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They brought back Palpatine, They brought back Soca Darth Maul

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all for three different reasons. Right, they brought back with

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that because he just survived in the belly of a beast. Like,

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you can write anything, whether it is time travel, whether

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it is something new for us, mumbo jumbo, even if

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it's like people have been bringing up the diet thing

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of Like I like that theory of oh, them two

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together heals and brings life. Sorry, if you hear fireworks,

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they can hear like he's they're literally right beside in

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the baseball field. They're going off during the running man

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just like pretty much so. But if you could do

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that as far as oh, if they can heal Palpaty,

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they could easily bring back each other. And I said,

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I pitched he wouldn't that be a great bad guy

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plot If you have these heroes that the only way

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you get rid of them is you have to kill

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both of them. Like man, that sucks like for the

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bad guy. It's like, man like what a like what

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a cool like plot like mcguffin of how do we

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get rid of Ray? While we got to find the

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soul of Kyler or whatever? Right, like tons of piots

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Caribbean shit. That's why for me story wise, it doesn't

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make sense. And I said to too, maybe even though

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with that quote, maybe it is a bunch oftarry thing, right,

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maybe they're like, hey, driver, he wants more money, now

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you know. Maybe it is like Sem Soderberg is a

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bigger director, he'd have more money. I still think there's

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ways a cup. But maybe that's the thing, right. I

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think you could also look at maybe, because we'll talk

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about this too, maybe he looked at the reception of

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the sequels and went, I don't know if I want

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to do that. That doesn't make sense though, because there's

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a ray movie, right, So the Ray movie. That's the problem.

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With all the things I can give you, there's ways

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I can shoot it dead.

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Speaker 3: Ray movie is still like a thing.

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Speaker 1: I thought they point is that, But my point is

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they publicly announced that. Right If Iiger was so like,

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let's get away from those bad sequels, like let's say

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he at the end of the day was like the

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sequel trilogy was a failure. I really want to get

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away from that. Then the Ray movie would have never

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been publicly announced, right, but it was publicly announced.

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Speaker 3: But then it's that means it's not the problem.

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Speaker 1: Then that's that's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the problem is this character died, and I think

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it just comes down to being that simple, like, oh,

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he's dead, We're not gonna bring him back.

472
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think it's that. I think

473
00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:48,880
what it is to me, I think that's the way

474
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,920
to get out of it. It's fictional. This is the

475
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,920
same because they said this. And this is another point

476
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,720
I'm going to bring up that apparently Downey had said

477
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,519
this when Figgy and him came with the idea for

478
00:20:57,599 --> 00:21:01,440
him doing Doom. They had to go to Iger to

479
00:21:01,519 --> 00:21:04,119
pitch it, and Igre gave the okay. So there's two

480
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,160
versions of this. There's maybe whoever pitched it to them,

481
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,319
whether it's driver Kathy Dave, maybe they did just pitch

482
00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:12,119
it in a shitty way. He's like, this doesn't make

483
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,079
any sense to me, Like, of course the guys are

484
00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:15,799
gonna write the script and be like this is great,

485
00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:17,039
and maybe he looked at it like, you know what,

486
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,920
this isn't great, So I'm being Devil's advocate. But what

487
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,119
I really think it is is this last line here

488
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,039
right where he goes, which is handmade and character driven.

489
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,240
That's to me the biggest problem with most of stuff

490
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,920
with Disney. You can look up Russo's did and interview.

491
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,799
The brothers who directed the Avengers movies talked about how

492
00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:37,880
Disney's being more selective with the projects they're doing. I

493
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,200
think with Manularin Grogu, that's where I'm in such a

494
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,319
tough predicament. We'll be here, we'll review it. That's the show.

495
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,759
That's my other job of the business we own. I

496
00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:47,920
don't have much excitement for that. I'm excited to watch

497
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,200
with my kids, but I'm in this situation now. If

498
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,680
I didn't have this podcast, I would probably skip and

499
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,119
way to home because my biggest worry is that and

500
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,319
the Scrouper was putting out they weren't hearing good things

501
00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:01,480
about Mandalorian Grogu and I I think that movie is

502
00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:03,720
at minimum maybe a six out of ten. I think

503
00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:05,039
it could be a fun adventure, but I think it's

504
00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:07,759
gonna be some Star Wars slob and my worry is

505
00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:11,559
for Disney and many companies. But Disney is seeing stuff

506
00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:14,119
like a Minecraft and you know, to me, if you

507
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,799
like it, that's great. I don't think it's there. But

508
00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:19,440
the fact that's the second I think it's the se yeah,

509
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,160
second biggest North American film the year. I think they

510
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,759
look at that and they just want that for Molana

511
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,319
and Star Wars. And I think we all said they're

512
00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:28,759
like Muana too. Yeah, that was fine, but guess what,

513
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,000
that made a billion dollars. It doesn't matter. That was

514
00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:33,720
just okay. And I think that's the problem is I

515
00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:37,039
think that you use words like character driven or deep

516
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,440
or like a character arc, I legitimately think that stuff

517
00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,599
that is scaring these big wigs of like, well, we

518
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,079
can't do that, and even to the extent of it's

519
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,839
a little bit different. But we've said that with Marvel

520
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,240
right of like bringing back Downy and all these people.

521
00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,839
It feels like these big companies are kind of scared

522
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,920
of doing something of oh, hey, we have a great

523
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,319
director who is not gonna make just like, oh, just

524
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,359
a big action like a Disney plus special. No, they

525
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,119
want to make a character driven story with Kylo Ren

526
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,279
who's already a deep character. I think that's more that. Yeah,

527
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:09,960
sure he's saying he's dead to get out of it,

528
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,039
but I think that's it that they don't want to

529
00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:14,880
do that type of stuff right now. I think that's

530
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,680
the same case with Marvel. I think they'd be the

531
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,480
same case with Disney, with them just pumping out these

532
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,559
live action remaates because there's no creative like, there's no

533
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,680
real creative process with the live action remakes. It's literally

534
00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:27,240
just copy and paste with a new style. And that's

535
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:29,920
where I think my issue is. I think there's many

536
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,880
routes that can go, but my worry is if Mandalori

537
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,640
and Grogu does really well, I worry that we're gonna

538
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,440
just get that type of Star Wars, And I don't

539
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,440
know what Starfighter is gonna be with Ryan Gossling and

540
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,640
Sean Leevy. Like I I like Dead Pull Wolverine. Actually

541
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,799
I love Dead Pull Wolverine, but that's more Ryan Reynolds

542
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,039
Free Guy I really liked, and I think a Star

543
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:52,759
Wars can be that, but I don't. I just like

544
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:56,440
between Mailan and Grogu and Starfighter if they are just

545
00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:00,440
both very light swashback like, hey, Star Wars ton fun.

546
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:02,480
I'm not saying you can't have that. My worries with

547
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,680
Star Wars becomes that and before it throw back to you.

548
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:08,880
That's my thing of what I don't understand. That's where

549
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,920
someone might be like, oh, it could be because he's dead.

550
00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:14,759
No again, you can resurrect them. There's easy ways with this.

551
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,880
I agree with people that this for just the online community,

552
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,640
because I was definitely online for this, because you know,

553
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:23,880
Adam Drive, Like I've said this before, I'm done having kids.

554
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,519
If I had a boy, his name would have been Kylo.

555
00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:29,119
We had that saved for nine years. Now it's just

556
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,839
going to a dog at some point in the future.

557
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:33,119
But like loveless character, even though it had a very

558
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,440
turmoil in the riot, like this trilogy. But that's one

559
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,799
thing where some of the most die hard I hate

560
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,359
Disney Star Wars can be like, well, you know what,

561
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,119
Kylo Ren was not too bad, you know, like he's

562
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,319
one of the more constants as far as the character

563
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,839
people enjoy, and he's one of my favorite characters and

564
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,720
as far as performance, did very well. And that's where

565
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:54,960
for me and I want Ray back too. I don't

566
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,599
think it's an either or. But if I'm that company

567
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,000
that's looking at these two properties, oh, the Ray movie

568
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:04,119
or the Kylo movie or the Ben Solo movie, the

569
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,640
Ben Solo movie is the safer route because more people

570
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,319
are united on that. There is way more excitement or

571
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,359
at least controversy or talking about this movie not happening

572
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,000
than there was for the man wearing grogu trailer that came, oh,

573
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:20,960
it's there and then they moved on the next day,

574
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,240
where this is eventually, yeah, people will move on, But

575
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:25,559
this is like, man, we could have had that, which

576
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,920
happens a lot with Star Wars. But that's the thing

577
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,519
where it's like, the Ben Solo is a safe for bet.

578
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,319
But that's where I go back to. I bet the

579
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,839
Ray movie or the project they're gonna go into that's

580
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:39,000
probably more. Ah, that's a lighthearted this and that, because

581
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,359
as much as I love Daisy Ridley, I don't know

582
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,440
if she's going to get her own writers, her own directors.

583
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,559
A pitch for Adam Driver, and it's not her fault.

584
00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:49,839
Adam Driver's like a much bigger star, right, so he

585
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,480
has more sway in the business and can do these things.

586
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:54,839
So that's the thing where I could see him coming

587
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:56,960
on board, and that's being his vision where Daisy Ridley

588
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,079
is just back to play Ray. And that's not bad.

589
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,559
But that's where to me, if you're looking at the

590
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:05,160
two on paper, doesn't make any sense not to try

591
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,880
this and do this, and maybe you can have some notes,

592
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,160
maybe say hey, don't go too dark on it, but

593
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,480
it's just that it's so odd in a time where

594
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,359
Star Wars is so kind of messed up right now,

595
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,799
that they wouldn't even can like I'll say considered, but

596
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,200
I mean like, wouldn't even like, let's continue this to

597
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:23,200
go forward, right, And I just I really don't know.

598
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,680
And that's the thing where I just I feel like

599
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,640
this would have been safer because there's lots of people

600
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,599
that don't like Ray, that are genuine and didn't like

601
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,720
the character and felt was rushed or turned to Ray,

602
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,079
nobody to Ray Pulptine and then there's the assholes, right,

603
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,839
But it's it's it's it's one of those decisions where

604
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,039
it's just it's strange to me, and I think there

605
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,279
there's lots of potential in a project like this because

606
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,759
I also like the character. But just like he says,

607
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,920
we all felt that's why when he died, And that's

608
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,480
another thing. We all heard that he didn't want to

609
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,400
come back for Star Wars, and apparently he always did.

610
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,079
So that's where it's again, you always got to take

611
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,680
rumors with a grain of salt. And I feel like

612
00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:58,720
all of us were disappointed that he died in nine

613
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,160
because it felt like there was so more do that character.

614
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,400
And he even feels that way, right, So it's it's

615
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:08,480
it's kind of frustrating. But is there anything more specifically

616
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,200
that you want to say on the Driver project? Also

617
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,920
it's gonna come up again, but anything more on the

618
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,440
Ben solo side, Adam Driver the stuff?

619
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,519
Speaker 2: I mean, you had mentioned that between the two where

620
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:24,359
you have fi Gee and Downey going in to pitch

621
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:29,799
they successfully pitched with Doom, and then you have Yeah,

622
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,799
Kathleen looks film and I'm Driver going in and there

623
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:33,480
pitch and.

624
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who was there. I just said

625
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,759
we presented the script, so I don't know who. Obviously

626
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:39,759
the WII is I'm gonna assume it's him and other people,

627
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:41,599
but I don't know if it's Kathy or Dave or

628
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:43,759
Christina Beck. I don't know, but that was just what

629
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:45,200
he said we presented the script.

630
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's it's really conflicting to kind of

631
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,519
try and figure this out.

632
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: But I yeah, I don't.

633
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: I don't like when people in suits kind of get

634
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,200
down into the nitty gritty of things and make those

635
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:00,200
kind of calls. I don't think that it's right, like

636
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:01,200
that's its ideal.

637
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: And I mean, yeah, when.

638
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,279
Speaker 2: You're looking at it in terms of just a dead

639
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,319
character and bringing him back. Star Wars has a lot

640
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,720
of different ways of going about it. I mean, the

641
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,200
diet is definitely an interesting theory, and then they have

642
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,039
time travel with the world between worlds. There's definitely room

643
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,920
to to play with there. I'm just I'm not a

644
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,079
fan with how they they had to you know, ghost

645
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,440
body disappear to the Force when they did episode nine.

646
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 3: I wish they didn't do that. But to each his own.

647
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,039
Speaker 1: But like I said, to my point, though you never

648
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:28,680
saw that Force goes after it, you can may get

649
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,000
some fucking shit that his body his Force spirit travel

650
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,839
to somewhere else and is off in the eather somewhere,

651
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,720
you know, like you can do like again, that's the

652
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
thing like Boba fet and I know you could defend

653
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,319
it by saying, oh, like you know what happened in

654
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,359
the comics see the Sarlac. But it's still that was

655
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:48,680
a dead character. George never brought him back. Dave before

656
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,160
never brought him back. But they had no problem green

657
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,559
lighting a whole TV show.

658
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:59,759
Speaker 2: With that guy, right, that character is probably Eiger's choice, right, well, yeah, character,

659
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,319
all this money we'll make when we do this. Oh boy,

660
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:04,759
he was such a hit when we did Mandalorian and

661
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,839
he appeared in there. So yeah, I just when you

662
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,640
look at all these things, all these different shows you

663
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,440
can and in comparison to the shows we'll talk about later,

664
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:17,400
but the shows that we have right now, I think

665
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,400
you can kind of see a train or a trajectory

666
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,920
of stuff that they think would be they being Iiger

667
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,319
and Disney would be a degree of money making shows

668
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:35,359
or like yeah because Obi won, Like we're gonna talk

669
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:36,799
about that later with the movie, but it's like, hey,

670
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,599
a TV show, Oh yeah, that'll get subscribers to Disney

671
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,680
plast And I think like they were trying so hard

672
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,039
to get all these movies off the ground.

673
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: But I think.

674
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm just assuming at this point that it's an Eiger

675
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,279
call where he's like, oh, let's just focus on the

676
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:52,440
streaming right now, we need to get our streaming numbers out.

677
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: Not anymore though now right because he's the moneymore. He's

678
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,480
the one that turned because I don't know if I

679
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,319
put this in the notes, but we knew this before

680
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:02,200
because he did this with Mawana. He's the one that

681
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,680
turned Mandalorian season four two a movie. There was I

682
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,559
think scripts for all the episodes. The original scripts apparently

683
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,720
had Bubbaffect coming back to try to like fix the character,

684
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:13,960
I guess, but they wanted a movie. So I think

685
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,759
there was a time where they're all streaming after COVID,

686
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:18,279
and I think when they lost a lot of money

687
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:21,000
now they went, oh, let's go back to theaters. But yeah,

688
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,799
we can talk about some of these notes that these

689
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,240
so this portion now we're like, we'll talk about the

690
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,000
Kyle rid thing. Probably get at some point throw. But

691
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,519
also I can say, is the just shot to the heart.

692
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:34,559
And I hope some way this is the obiwe where

693
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:38,319
it eventually happens. Granted, I don't love the Obi Wan show,

694
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,839
Like there's some great stuff in there, and luckily I

695
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,960
can watch it because I'd like the majority of it.

696
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:45,119
I do actually like the movie edited version, and Iwan

697
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,079
McGregor goes a great performance, so I'd like a shot

698
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:49,079
that and like to see this team. But these are

699
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:51,240
some now into the rumors portion of the people that

700
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,240
start speaking now when some of the stuff started to

701
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:55,920
come out and Leak is like, oh, I've heard other stuff,

702
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,319
so this one might affect you more than me these

703
00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:01,720
two points. But definitely wanted to keep the Clone Wars

704
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:04,720
going when they bought Disney, Bob Auger showed it down.

705
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,240
Iiger didn't want Clone Wars back when it came back.

706
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:09,640
He wanted to stay away from the George prequel stuff,

707
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,039
and apparently Cathy had to fight hard for it. That's

708
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,960
something people had brought up a few times, like the

709
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,680
Scooper had brought up that he really wanted to get

710
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,200
away from some of George's stuff. And then Dave wanted

711
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,440
to do the soun Datha Meir story sixteen episodes. Bob

712
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,759
only gave them twelve and shot down the whole Datha

713
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,400
Meir thing, which is just kind of funny because like

714
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,759
even then, I'm like, why does Bob care about Like

715
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,759
if you do the Son of Dafmere, I maybe that's

716
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,519
the thing. These are rumors, right, I could see literally

717
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,640
just being hey, if it's sixteen episodes and I'll give

718
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,359
you twelve, and Dave chose to cut the daf Mears stuff, right,

719
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,039
because that's why it could be twisted, just like, hey,

720
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,440
I'm gonna give you a budget to finish it. I'm

721
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,240
only giving you twelve. But that's the way it's pitch.

722
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:48,400
But yeah, what do you think about some of that

723
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,359
stuff about the Clone Wars and again just rumors, but

724
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,039
if this were to be true.

725
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: I mean a Clone Wars. You know, I'm a big

726
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,119
fan of the Clone Wars. I love that show, and

727
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,599
so for that to be taking that on and keeping

728
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,559
it going, which you know, we did get the final

729
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:07,359
season not long last, and that's that's something that probably

730
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,119
took a lot of pushing. But before I get into

731
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:16,720
the sons of death in your topic, the idea that

732
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,319
Eiger wanted to break away from the George Lucas era

733
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,480
of things, the prequel era of things, I think that's

734
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:26,880
I think that just.

735
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,119
Speaker 3: Doesn't it doesn't age very well.

736
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: It's just kind of weird for him to do that,

737
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,759
because I mean, I feel like these that era has

738
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:35,640
definitely improved. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like

739
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,599
it's definitely improved in popularity over the years, just like

740
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,400
a Revenge of the Sis and I put that in theaters.

741
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,920
Holy fuck, the movie made like it did pretty good.

742
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: It did pretty good.

743
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,279
Speaker 2: So when you look at them being concerned about this

744
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:51,319
whole prequel era, like, I just I don't. I don't,

745
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,759
I don't, I don't get it doesn't make sense to me.

746
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,599
Speaker 1: So all boy Devil's advocate, because if you listen to

747
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:01,440
those early casts, I was that guy. I was. I

748
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,119
think I understand because you got to think where Bob is,

749
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:05,759
where he buys this, and I was trying to pull

750
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:07,160
it up, but I we won't read it right now.

751
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,920
There's an interview or there's experts from Bob's book in

752
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,200
twenty nineteen where he talks about buying lucasfilm and it

753
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:15,799
kind of felt like him and George had like an

754
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,400
uneasy agreement and he was trying not to like like

755
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,200
say things like promisings to George that weren't true. So

756
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,160
I would say, reread that because rereading that now knowing

757
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,680
some of this context of maybe he wasn't a fan

758
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,880
of that stuff. It's an interesting read. For me, I

759
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,920
was somebody if I don't say Mentichlorians. Even the first

760
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,119
line of Force Wakens was this will begin to make

761
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,319
things right right, So it's like kind of a shot

762
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,440
at the prequels, I think, and this is where I

763
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,319
can admit that I'm wrong. Where definitely there's tons of

764
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:44,599
prequel way more because I feel like I just grew

765
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,759
up with people that like Star Wars and then Stars

766
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,559
Prequel and then ways we got older, it was fun

767
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:52,319
to dog on it right and even myself too. I

768
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,680
remember when we did the commentary tracks, it's like, oh,

769
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,240
these last time I'll watch these prequels, that'll be it,

770
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,000
because I yeah, overall it's like good stories for me

771
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680
or good not story because there is a good story there.

772
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,880
I think it's the execution of that. I don't necessarily

773
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,599
think they're the best movies, but as I got older,

774
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,760
it's not I appreciate them more, but I appreciate aspects

775
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,679
because like I've said, the reason I watched Phantom Menace

776
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,199
is I do love Qui gon Jin. I love Liamnesen

777
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,440
as that. So you know what, I will now watch

778
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:18,159
it for the rest of my life, even though yeah,

779
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,840
Jarjo's annoying, and there's a bunch of other issues in

780
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,039
there and Annie, but the things changed. But I remember

781
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,119
at that time in my life, I was the same

782
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,039
way when you're coming up the prequels, and that made

783
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:31,199
a lot of people like you botched Darth Vader's story.

784
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,639
Look at all the CGI, the Annie kid jar like

785
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,400
they had so much heat. I can't understand at that point,

786
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,679
when you bought it and you were trying to resurrect it,

787
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:44,800
why you were trying to get away from it. Now

788
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,239
I can say I think there's an overcorrection because I

789
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,559
don't think getting rid of the Clone Wars is like,

790
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,800
I don't think that's hurting anybody, you know, so to

791
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,400
be like get rid of that like No, I think

792
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,440
it has its fans, right, and I think as we've

793
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,440
seen is a strong point, and I don't think they're

794
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,920
doing that. You should not here to one on it is.

795
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,679
You should try to go to several. You should go

796
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,199
to the old people, you should go to the new people,

797
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,760
you should go to the prequel people, you should go

798
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,719
to the EU people. It shouldn't be because what happens

799
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,039
is I'm with somebody that doesn't love that prequel area.

800
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,400
Era like Taylor, But you know what they do, they

801
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,719
make me hate the original era because we just keep

802
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,400
going back to the Dark Times. That is my favorite trilogy.

803
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:23,280
But I get bored of these projects the same way.

804
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,519
Like I feel like, even though you're gonna check it out,

805
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:27,280
I feel like you're probably a little bit bored when

806
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,960
they're like, hey, you know the next animated show, another

807
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,199
Darth Maul show about this period. It's like, yeah, sure,

808
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:33,840
we like Darth Maul and we'll watch it, but it's

809
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,599
like there's nothing else we can do well, I know

810
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,719
what I mean, Like there's nothing else we can do now.

811
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,519
And it feels like they're doing that with the Prequels.

812
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:43,159
That's where I can kind of understand where he was

813
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,760
when he bought it as far as like, you know what,

814
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,880
that was an ify period, let's go away. But I

815
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,960
also think maybe they overcorrect it and they they miss,

816
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,679
including myself, misunderstood how many fans there were of that era.

817
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,199
Sorry to cut you off, I just want to end

818
00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:57,679
the point.

819
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 2: I think when you look at like, yes, Sons of

820
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,559
the Death of your show, I think that's just it's

821
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,880
too little, too late, Like it's gonna be I'm sure

822
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,480
popular to some degree, but there's not.

823
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: A lot of hype surrounding it.

824
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: No, like no, I just I just think that there's

825
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,760
a show that came out a long time ago, Like

826
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,199
if this was you're let's say the first well, Disney

827
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,159
Plus wasn't a thing until twenty nineteen.

828
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, which is fair, right, But then at the

829
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,440
same time, it's like, is this stuff happening just because

830
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,719
they're like, yeah, we need some content, and which isn't.

831
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: Good either, right, it is, you know exactly it and

832
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,960
along with Tales the Jedi, Tales of the Empire, whatever,

833
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:35,039
like it's just that stuff too. It's just, oh, here's

834
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,480
some content just to fill in because Clone Wars is over,

835
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,559
Rebels is over, and it's it's a.

836
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,039
Speaker 1: Shake the subscribers to have something.

837
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: Right exactly.

838
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: So again, I think that if this was you know,

839
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,519
you're dropping Mando in that first year of Disney Plus,

840
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:51,400
and all of a sudden, hey, we've got another animated

841
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,960
series coming. You guys love Clone Wars. We'll here's Sons

842
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,760
of Death of here, and it's like, oh fuck, this

843
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,239
is great because this is not just like Clone Wars.

844
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,239
It's more of like an anthology storyline which is pretty exciting.

845
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,199
I just think that those are opportunities that they really

846
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,360
botched and they missed.

847
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing too, where just who knows

848
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,480
what happened there? If there's power shrug all this stuff

849
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,440
Disney in general. That's why I probably put on the

850
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,679
other people. Not much of a plan with Star Wars unfortunately, right,

851
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,159
but we did tell about oh we want Apparently Eiger

852
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,440
turned down it being a movie, which again that's just

853
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,000
and again to play Devil's advocate. I think we talked

854
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,760
about this before too, where I could see after Solo

855
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,119
Bombs where they go, you know what, we don't want

856
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,199
to misk it. That's lots of money, and also that

857
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,679
this is in the era of let's push Disney Plus, right,

858
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,920
So it's like I can see the business sense because

859
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,719
I was the same thing too. I've said this before.

860
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,920
We're Loki and King. I was like, oh, this is

861
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,679
a great idea to have your next big bad debut

862
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,800
on Disney Plus, because now these shows are important. I

863
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,840
think they were important, but then we found out that,

864
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,800
you know what, I feel that watched those movies, they

865
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,519
don't always want to watch all these shows and do

866
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,559
connect all this and we saw the numbers shot for

867
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,960
the shows in the movies, so I could see that

868
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,159
after Soulo happens, you're scared. I to me, think again,

869
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,360
it's Apples to Oranges. That's a solo prequel with an

870
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,760
entire new cast. You have the guy who played you know,

871
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,199
not the original one, but Obi Wan for three movies, right,

872
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:19,760
he played him more than aln Guinness. Alec can get

873
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,519
it or Micky get is Guinness or mc guinness.

874
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: Am I for it's Alec Guinness.

875
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm it's late, some fucking it up, but I like.

876
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,719
But that also goes into okay alkins. It also goes

877
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,840
into like the prequel stuff too right. I may they oh,

878
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,840
well that's connected to that era, and that's too much

879
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,039
of a risk. Let's not do that. I think we

880
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:41,840
we won't say much there because we told about before

881
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,760
that Obi Wan should have been a movie, and I

882
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,880
think all that stuff with Reva and other things felt

883
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,559
like it was just it felt like it was a movie,

884
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,079
and it's like, how do we make this into six

885
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,840
episodes while we'll fill all these other storylines right? Like

886
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,039
it always it should have been a movie to begin with,

887
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:58,760
and I think it would have been successful too, which

888
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,119
is a shame I think done more than solo. So

889
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:07,039
let's see. So here's one that hurt us. But and

890
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,199
it makes sense because we've heard rumors about the oh

891
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,159
they were working on Ben Soul stuff and we didn't know,

892
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,119
and now it makes sense that this was probably that project.

893
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,679
We've heard rumors of both of these things. Apparently Star Wars.

894
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,400
Lewis Film was working on an Old Republic movie trilogy

895
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,840
and a Darth baand series, but Iiger killed those. This

896
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,280
is what I would have to be. I'm curious about

897
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,519
because we've gone many rumors these past couple of years

898
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,119
about that Folony is not a fan of this era, right,

899
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,119
So here's the thing. There's either two ways where it's

900
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:40,599
like and I guess Kathy's pitching it. There's a way

901
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,119
that Flonies might not be a fan, but he might go, hey,

902
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,119
let's change up and do some new stuff and he

903
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,480
goes to igur or it's a thing of if someone's

904
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:51,440
working on it and Dave's kind of pitching it, like

905
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,719
it might not be like a hard pitch, right like, oh,

906
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,039
like they like we could do this Old Republic this

907
00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:59,199
that we don't know. But That's the thing where I

908
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:03,079
would like to know why he would turn these down,

909
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,039
because if the narrative is, okay, he didn't like the

910
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:06,880
prequels and he didn't like some of Georgie stuff. Okay,

911
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,719
let's say that's the narrative, right, that makes sense for

912
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Obi Wan, that makes sense for Clone Wars. Why do

913
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:14,559
you think that he would because with Felony we kind

914
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:18,440
of understood that the rumors are that he loves Georgia

915
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,719
Star Wars and like the Old Republic kind of like

916
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,960
goes against some of that stuff, right, doesn't feel like

917
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,000
the prequels or the Clone Wars. So we kind of

918
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,159
know what Dave, why do you think Iiger would you know,

919
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,480
punt down these like Old Republic and Darth Bane.

920
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: It's not safe. That's that's the main thing. The biggest

921
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,400
thing was.

922
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: Like you highlighted earlier, like okay, yeah, prequels, don't want

923
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,119
to do that. It's time to you know, this will

924
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,480
be beginning. This is the beginning of making things right,

925
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:48,239
you know, and Force Awakens, and Force Awakens the first

926
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:51,880
Disney Star Wars project to come out since the acquisition

927
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,880
is very much you know, I won't say a carbon copy,

928
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,800
but very much inspired by a New Hope Holy smokes it.

929
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,199
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely yeah.

930
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: So that's them, and that's a big I think I

931
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,880
gored decision where hey, we just want to ride off

932
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,599
of something that people are could be familiar with and

933
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:13,039
we'll be successful and just not touch those prequels at all.

934
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:19,360
So you make sense, you have that, and it's again

935
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,480
it's safe, it's not doesn't mean it's right, though. I

936
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,239
think if they were to tap into doing a Darth

937
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,599
Baane and like the Old Republic, oh my gosh, that's

938
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:30,760
just it. That's it's just it's it's a night and

939
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,320
day choice. It makes so much sense, and I bet

940
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,079
you it's something will eventually get down the road.

941
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: Just you know, they.

942
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,039
Speaker 2: Even when you look at something like The Acolyte, it

943
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:43,639
still surprises me that that got made then, because I

944
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,800
feel like that's just going too far into the past

945
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,079
for their comfort. I mean, Acolyte is probably one of

946
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,039
their more bolder attempts at doing something.

947
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,039
Speaker 1: And well, that's what I was trying to I was

948
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:56,639
trying to find because I know we just did the

949
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,960
list for our ten year episode, but I was trying

950
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:04,079
to find god all the products they did because we're

951
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:05,559
talking about because I agree with you as far as

952
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,599
it being safe, that's it. So like, okay, so if

953
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,679
we go to the movies like, hey, sequel trilogy that's

954
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,880
baked in. Yeah, you got the audience from the original trilogy, great, okay.

955
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:18,280
And then this even Rogue one, which you know you

956
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,760
love and many other people love. Billion dollar movie that's

957
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,039
still tied to a new hope, right, that's tied to

958
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:25,360
the death Star plans and everything. Okay, So there's still

959
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,719
the thing, right, solo og character, so it's side to that.

960
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,719
So and then Manular and Grogu that is you can

961
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,119
say it's something new. But at the same time, even

962
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,639
the show Mandalorian, the iconography looks like Bogo fet right,

963
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,360
they had a young like a baby Yoda in there,

964
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,760
so they already knew that was going on. They needed

965
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,000
something for Disney Plus. And now the first movie back

966
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:48,199
from right, Skywalker is an established thing, right, and that's

967
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,559
where on the movie side. Starfighter is the first time

968
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,119
and maybe and maybe this is the hope, right that

969
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,079
these are reports that talk about maybe there's a change,

970
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,280
and we'll talk about that in a second Starfighter as

971
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,079
of right now is something that's not if Ray cameos

972
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:04,119
in there, it's not connected to anything, right. So that's

973
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:06,400
why for me, I really want Starfighter to do well.

974
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,639
I hope it's a good movie, but I hope it

975
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:09,920
does well because, like you mentioned with Acolyte, you know

976
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:15,159
that was maybe not the the success they are hoping for.

977
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,280
But where is the TV show list? Hear? Hang on

978
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,079
Star Wars Disney Plus, because yeah, I know we went

979
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:27,159
over because even then with like Clone Wars, they that

980
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,280
was during COVID and they let some things go. Okay, cool,

981
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,360
let's see where.

982
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 4: Is Okay, don't give me the animation New Bastards, Oh

983
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,920
my god, Okay, saman Lauren we talked about kind of

984
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,360
has some vari isms too, and it's like also like

985
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:45,599
still connected to the original trilogy because it's a sequel

986
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:46,400
in between right.

987
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Book A Boba Fett offs the Og character and then

988
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,000
cut tied demand Warren. Oh one, sure, it's a prequel

989
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,119
thing tied, but it's still I mcgreg or biggest star

990
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,559
and it's still somewhat typed the original trilogy and or

991
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:02,119
tied to billion dollar movie. Ahsoka. That's fully dazing and

992
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,519
I'm sure Dave could pitch that as far as like, well,

993
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:06,400
it's gonna tie into and even then they set her

994
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,880
up in Mandalorian season two, right, so that's like a

995
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,360
spin off show of Hey, Mandalorian's very successful for us.

996
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,400
This is a character, right. Acla and Skeleton Crew are

997
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,440
the first, like the first two shows that really have

998
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:20,880
nothing to do with anything, and unfortunately, for whatever reasons,

999
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,920
like whether it's critical or viewership, both under delivered for them. Right,

1000
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,599
So that's the thing. And that's where with Aclyte that

1001
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,440
did come up again from this scooper where apparently it

1002
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,039
was where was it? Aclite was supposed to be more

1003
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,599
the description was more crazy and dark, but Disney and

1004
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:39,840
Dave decided to pull back on that. And that's where

1005
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,239
again I don't know on where we had already heard

1006
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,039
those rumors of Folony mess Well wasn't e rumors. What

1007
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:48,519
happened was, remember the show, one of the writers of

1008
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:50,440
the show, So they had to present everything to Dave

1009
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,119
and something's changed, and then she deleted all her tweets

1010
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,760
because people are like, what do you mean they all change?

1011
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,159
So you know, again I don't know what you know

1012
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,760
is happening with Dave and whatnot? So yeah, that sucks,

1013
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,199
like I want those. That's why I hope Starfighter does good.

1014
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:06,239
I think Star Wars should branch out, but I think

1015
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,440
maybe talk about they're scared. The last two notes here

1016
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,880
and this is one that I got Taylor really mad,

1017
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,519
not me as much, but I understand Kathleen Kennedy want

1018
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:18,920
because her plan was to use George's scripts and to

1019
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,679
keep him aboard. She wanted to use them, and then

1020
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,880
when they went to a different way, apparently that led

1021
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,239
to they said falling out. I don't think it was

1022
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,360
an actual falling out between Kathy and iigre, but I

1023
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,360
think just in the sense of you understand of you're

1024
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,280
probably on one page, and if you have an argument

1025
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,320
with a friend business partner, it's like, oh, now we're

1026
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,800
on different tracks. It sounds like that was at least

1027
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,280
the first time where George scripts were going to be used,

1028
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,159
but then they went a different route, And yeah, I

1029
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:45,760
guess part of that was Kathleen Kennedy wanted like Ray

1030
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,559
and Luke to be like the main characters of the

1031
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:49,800
whole trilogy, where I guess it kind of just went

1032
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,480
down to Ray and stuff. But did you have any

1033
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:53,199
came on that because you weren't happy about that.

1034
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,519
Speaker 2: Ah, the Sacred Texts. Yeah, I mean that was just

1035
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,159
a running joke for a while, just bringing it up, like,

1036
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,280
oh yeah, Disney bought them and then just written them

1037
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,079
in front of George.

1038
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

1039
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,079
Speaker 2: But at its core, the fact that it's it's come

1040
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:13,880
back into the fold here, I'd be curious. I mean,

1041
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,760
the Guardians, Guardians of the Wills or whatever he titled them.

1042
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,000
Those original scripts, I can't remember, but there was definitely

1043
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,280
some story there, and it would have been very curious

1044
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,400
to see what we could have gotten.

1045
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:24,559
Speaker 3: Oh.

1046
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: I remember at a point I was gonna mention earlier,

1047
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:32,199
oh fuck, did I lose it again?

1048
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: Ship?

1049
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: It was that how they ah, how they fuck?

1050
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: Oh in public felony Accolte.

1051
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: It was with Adam Driver. Uh fuck, and that's annoying.

1052
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,400
I remembered it. It just disappeared, Okay, come back, it'll come back.

1053
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: But anyways, yeah, I just I think that with with

1054
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,159
them buying these scripts, bringing them in and then just

1055
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:02,920
to not use them.

1056
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:04,679
Speaker 3: Like it's I don't know.

1057
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: I get you want to drift away from what Georgia created,

1058
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,719
but I don't think that these scripts necessarily would have

1059
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:10,719
been too prequelly.

1060
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: And I'm curious saying there's a good chance there would

1061
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,159
have been.

1062
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance this.

1063
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,199
Speaker 1: Whole Guardians of Will's thing and getting into like it's

1064
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,119
very I think what I would have liked, because they

1065
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:26,480
still use some things because then George's real original script,

1066
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,239
Like there was a character like Ray that they kind

1067
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,079
of changed her name with something else. Luke was a hermit,

1068
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:37,039
so like there is some aspects there. I just it's

1069
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:38,679
tough for me because I think George is a good

1070
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:40,400
idea guy. I think the best way would have been

1071
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,039
having write his scripts and then someone polished them off,

1072
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,760
because that's what I think worked with the original trilogy

1073
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,360
for me was there George's ideas and his big concepts.

1074
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,960
But then other people like god, who's the guy that

1075
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,800
did number two, Lawrence Kasen, Right, he came in and

1076
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,360
then did a lot of rewrites on that right, And

1077
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,679
to me, when the prequels was just George writing, that's

1078
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:02,119
where you did get a lot of it. And again

1079
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:04,639
I can see Iigre being like, hey, everyone made fun

1080
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:06,840
of those movies for their dialogue or some of those

1081
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,760
acting choices, and it's like, do we want to risk

1082
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,440
this again with like the new thing, so I think

1083
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,280
there's a happy medium where they could have kept them

1084
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,119
on board. But at the same time, I think, like

1085
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:18,159
he said, though, that probably would have just been another

1086
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,840
power struggle that would have been a very because now

1087
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,440
they're like and I think that was probably why George

1088
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,280
left or they ham leeve or whatnot, because how like,

1089
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,159
how do you've done that? It's it's the thing you created,

1090
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:30,880
but now you're being toltally you can't do this, this

1091
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,159
and this. He sold it, so technically igres every right

1092
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:35,840
to do that, right because he bought it. But at

1093
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,480
the same times, like, I think that would have been

1094
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:40,440
a very at one point, I don't think it ever

1095
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,480
would have worked out. So it's probably just for working

1096
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,639
and not saying the sequel trilogy worked out. I'm just saying,

1097
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,280
like George being there full time, I think at some

1098
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,000
point they would have butted heads and luckily it just

1099
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,440
led to a spot where they just kind of left

1100
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,119
and then George was out of there. But I can

1101
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:56,480
see why he was probably worried because I think it

1102
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:59,360
could have been too prequelly, like this the allread when

1103
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,679
you're about the guarding the wills and stuff. But it

1104
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,760
could have been good but I don't know that, you know.

1105
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,079
Speaker 2: Well, I just feel like it would have been different

1106
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,039
enough because it's going to be jumping ahead after this

1107
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,199
the original trilogy, yeah, instead of being more in that

1108
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,159
prequel era of sorts. So that's my only kind of

1109
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:17,119
foundation for that.

1110
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just.

1111
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: They must have pulled some inspiration.

1112
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: I'm swimming from those scripts, but they did.

1113
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kylo Ray and where Luke is though those were

1114
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,599
in his original scripts.

1115
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:32,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just hit the idea though, just really just

1116
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,960
letting them sit there and stew Yeah, it's just it's something.

1117
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: That's Yeah, And in the last note, this is about

1118
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,679
the currently thing currently. There's a camp that wants to

1119
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,119
overhaul the content currently and that's oh sorry. There's kind

1120
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,480
of two camps at Lucasfilm right now, camp that wants

1121
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,880
to stay the stas quo and the camp that wants Overhaull.

1122
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,760
Apparently Dave wants to do the overhaul and Kathy wants

1123
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,440
to stay the stas quo. I can imagine Kathy probably

1124
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,599
wants to stay the status quo because she is at

1125
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:59,880
some point in the next years retiring, so I imagine

1126
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,840
he probably doesn't want to do like an overtaking of

1127
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,440
all this stuff, and maybe she also just feels like,

1128
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,639
you know, these shows of work, Let's get the movies

1129
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,880
back on track. And I don't know what Dave's overhaul is.

1130
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,360
Right on paper, that sounds good because it's like, yeah,

1131
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,679
Star Wars has been through the fucking shits the last

1132
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,360
through of the years, so it does need an overhaul,

1133
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,480
but that I don't know what his overhaul pitches, right.

1134
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,159
It could be something great. His overhaul could be let's

1135
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:25,480
just do Clone Wars era of stuff and that's it.

1136
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,199
Let's do nothing else but Ahsoka projects, right, So it's like,

1137
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,039
I really don't know, and we're gonna find out, and

1138
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:31,599
that's gonna be a thing we're gonna find out too.

1139
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,559
And they name presidents and people because Kathy's on her

1140
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:36,760
way out and IG's on our way out. But for me,

1141
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,199
I it's that's that rumor. When that was been there,

1142
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:43,039
I was like, well, I have no context for this,

1143
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,679
cause it's like what would be the overhaul plan? And

1144
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,760
I understand why she would want to just be stats quo.

1145
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,960
And even then it's like what is the status quo?

1146
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,920
Like getting shows out and canceling movies like man o

1147
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,239
learn Grog was happening. Great, but that was a TV show.

1148
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,119
Starfire is gonna come out, so we're gonna have to

1149
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,079
see what happens there. But I really like and I

1150
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,239
I feel to end on this as we're winding down,

1151
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,760
I'll throw back to you. I feel like whoever iiger,

1152
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:11,119
Kathy Floni. Of course I want the Ray movie. I

1153
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,800
like if Mangold gots movie going, et cetera. But I

1154
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,079
feel like you really can't do much until you see

1155
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,199
all these next two movies do right, Like and I

1156
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,559
feel with Manure and grogu yeah, sure, I think it'll

1157
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,800
be a hit. But as we've talked abou before, since COVID,

1158
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:26,480
there's tons of movies that are part of big ips

1159
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,239
and they just bomb and they don't do well right.

1160
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,599
And it's like even in that same breath, Solo came

1161
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:34,519
out when movies were making billion dollar movies, like billion

1162
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,559
dollars all the time, Like Solo bombed and didn't make

1163
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,039
money in that era, right, So it's like now we're

1164
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:43,239
an era where COVID happened. People are more picky than ever.

1165
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,719
There's more stuff on streaming services than ever. There is

1166
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,320
a chance that I've said this before me. I'm we're

1167
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,960
talking about and I've said on the show that what

1168
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,159
if people see that manure and grogu at the theater,

1169
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:53,199
they go, eh, I can just wait till home, because

1170
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:54,639
I watched the rest of it at home, right, So

1171
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:57,159
we don't know and say the Starfighter, Well, if they ah,

1172
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,079
there's no characters I love here. So it's like to me,

1173
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,400
I understand if, like if that's the idea Kathy, like

1174
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,239
the status quo, like don't shake things up for a bit.

1175
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,480
I do understand that because you haven't had a movie

1176
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,360
in six years. So it's like, to me, you can't

1177
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,239
make really any moves until you because you know what

1178
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,079
Disney Plus does now and you know that. It's like

1179
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:18,000
it's you only get so much back from it subscribe

1180
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,599
a rise, right, So to me, it's like, until you

1181
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,719
see what these next two movies do, what is the pivot, right?

1182
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,599
Because if it's like if both movies do great, then

1183
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:27,280
I think it's like, oh, you're gravy and maybe can

1184
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,400
experiment and do a bunch of other stuff. But then

1185
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,159
if one does great and one doesn't do the other,

1186
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:33,239
it's like it tells a bunch of stuff. So I

1187
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,760
really don't know, but yeah, what are your last thoughts on,

1188
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,280
like what what what they should do in the next

1189
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,360
couple years here because obvious again lots of changes, Kathy's leaving,

1190
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,920
Bob's leaving at one point, you know. Oh and then

1191
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,199
we do have some Patreon questions from Clay before we

1192
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,400
end off obviously.

1193
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 3: So ah, yeah, I mean you have to.

1194
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: All the suits are running the show, and so for them,

1195
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,320
they need to see what these next couple of projects

1196
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,519
are going to do financially.

1197
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: That's the big kicker.

1198
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 2: Even if they do good, I don't think you're gonna

1199
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,400
get stuff like Bane or Old Republic stuff, right, yeah,

1200
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:11,400
doing what they're doing, I think.

1201
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,119
Speaker 1: If they do, I think that out of all this stuff,

1202
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,239
I do think the Kylo Ren think could always happen

1203
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,480
the Old Republican Bane stuff. That's like that to me

1204
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:23,639
is a stretch. I almost think that that that's in

1205
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:25,719
a situation where maybe Star Wars just has to be

1206
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,719
doing good all the time and then they're like, Okay,

1207
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,079
we can take a risk and let's try something else out,

1208
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:31,880
you know, and it's like, I don't know if they

1209
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,719
want to do that, especially after Acolyte now too, if anywhere.

1210
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,679
We could have got that on TV, but I don't

1211
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:40,000
know if we'll get that now. So yeah, we'll see.

1212
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,719
So okay, cocktail. Clay sent in three questions. One I'd

1213
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,000
say is a joke? And then to our series. Do

1214
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:47,920
you think they threw out the project because Ben Sola

1215
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,920
wasn't projecting a child in the script which I'll see

1216
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:56,239
you know, Starfighter Mandalorian Obi won does happen a lot,

1217
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,639
And I am very much. You know I said this before,

1218
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,840
even though kind of wasn't exactly that, like twenty years later,

1219
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:05,480
was a fun evolution on that. I think, Yeah, we

1220
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:08,360
need to be done with the whole protecting a little

1221
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,599
person in Star Wars. You know, I hope that's not

1222
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:14,880
a case anymore. Do you actually think it would have

1223
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,719
been tell the Hunt for Ben Solo? Yeah? What do

1224
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,639
you think would that have been? That? And then? And

1225
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:20,480
then would you have liked that title if it was?

1226
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not terrible, but I don't think they

1227
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,159
would have called it that.

1228
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,119
Speaker 3: I think they would have called it.

1229
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:31,599
Speaker 2: Like hunts, a force hunt or something like that.

1230
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: Uh, I think they would have called it that. I

1231
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,119
actually I think I know Clay and the discord, you said,

1232
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,880
you hated it. But the reason I like it is

1233
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,360
it's a double entendre, Like it's very obvious, but I

1234
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,079
feel like one that'd be part of the script of

1235
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:50,000
maybe there's a few people ray hunting for him, bad guys,

1236
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:53,280
good guys of knowing Kylo Ren ak Ben souls out there.

1237
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:57,239
And also just for sure Kylo Ren became Ben Solo

1238
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,559
for like five minutes a Rise of Skywalker. But it's

1239
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:01,920
like the for Him, the Hunt for Bensol, like trying

1240
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,880
to get Ben Solo back and to try to be

1241
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,079
that good guy again and that good person, a good

1242
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:08,920
Force user. So I don't mind the title. It's not like, oh,

1243
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,480
that's amazing, no, But I actually do think it would

1244
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,360
have been called the Hunt for Ben Solo because yeah,

1245
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,760
Star Wars Hunt for Bensol. Yeah, I just think it

1246
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,239
would have been I that to me just sounded like

1247
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,800
the real title obviously could have been working title, but

1248
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,679
I bet it was.

1249
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:23,639
Speaker 3: Uh.

1250
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,679
Speaker 1: And then finally, Clay says, if you could pick out

1251
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:28,760
of the entire regime, pick a completely non Disney affiliate

1252
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,880
director producer to run lucasfilm, Star Wars, Any and Jones

1253
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,599
eccession for the next twenty years who would it be?

1254
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:36,239
So obviously you can't pick like a Felony or a

1255
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,480
Favro or anybody like JJ anyone. So as someone that's

1256
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:41,880
not had their hands on Star Wars, who would you pick?

1257
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,800
And why is it big Dan Lynn? Why is it

1258
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,719
the rock? Get the rock in there?

1259
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I was trying to think on a

1260
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:55,440
good answer for this, and it's it's tough. I mean,

1261
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,679
I'm not very familiar with a lot of big head

1262
00:55:57,679 --> 00:55:58,280
hon shows.

1263
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: So uh, he's a director too, he said, a director,

1264
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,119
director too, he's a director or producer.

1265
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna take a cheap, cheap shot here,

1266
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,480
Taylor Sheridan put the guy in there. He can he

1267
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,039
can work some comedic stuff, but it's also really really

1268
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:19,079
good serious dramatic stuff too.

1269
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,519
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, this is the toughest one because it

1270
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:25,320
always to me because like because to his point, like

1271
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:27,960
James Gunn was a director and he took over DC, right,

1272
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,320
so it does happen like obviously shares with Peter saffrom

1273
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,360
Star Wars is so tough because I did say on

1274
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:36,840
the and Clay you would hate this if I wouldn't

1275
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,920
say Dan Gilroy because you don't like the Andor stuff,

1276
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,920
and there's lots of people that don't like the Andor stuff.

1277
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,480
For me, I was after and Or season two, I

1278
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,679
was like, if Star Wars is in its meandering way,

1279
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,559
let's just evolve it. And when people like you can't

1280
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:50,199
have sexual star in Star Wars, to me, it's like, well,

1281
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:51,920
maybe you can in the new Star Wars and all

1282
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,639
these themes because it's you know, let the past I

1283
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,559
kill it a behalf to rite and that's where it's like,

1284
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,119
I'm still fine with the past of Star Wars, but

1285
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:02,039
if it's having all these issues and we got to

1286
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,920
do some evolving, let's get it to a point where Okay,

1287
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,760
if let's say the old school audience isn't coming out

1288
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,000
to it, and let's say the kids go see Minecraft

1289
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:13,039
now and other stuff, it's not that family franchise. Make

1290
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:16,199
it that critical like a dune, right, Doing's not for families.

1291
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,760
But people see that because the amazing visuals, great cast,

1292
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,320
but that world and the writing, it's you fall in

1293
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,920
love with the themes of that world. Make Star Wars

1294
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,280
like that, right. It's that's not like the Buck Rogers

1295
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,559
cartoon that George was inspired by but it's not his

1296
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:32,360
Star Wars anymore. But I don't think they do that,

1297
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,159
And I don't even know if that's right right for

1298
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:36,920
me to say, Oh, should they make Star Wars without kids? No,

1299
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,920
it's a tough one because it's like another person I

1300
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,039
thought was Damon Linda Off, who's done Watchman and he's

1301
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,280
doing stuff with DCU, and he's done stuff with like

1302
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,719
Prometheus and Lost. But even him, like when I heard

1303
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,960
the rumors of his script, the rumors was Ray was

1304
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,400
gonna be in it, but as like an eighty nine

1305
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,079
year old woman, And I'm like, well, that's a cool concept,

1306
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,760
but it's like Daisy really still right here, Like don't

1307
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,719
make her ad Like that's a huge time jump, Like

1308
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:06,639
like you want to see these characters now, we don't

1309
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:09,239
have to do the whole Oh man, we never got

1310
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,760
Luke or we never got like Harrison Ford and then

1311
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,880
back and Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher because now they're

1312
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,280
forty years older and some passed away and they didn't

1313
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,920
have screen time. It's like, you have these actors in

1314
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:22,880
current like Finn and Poe and Kylo. If you want

1315
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,719
to bring them back, you have them around. You can

1316
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,719
just do this. You don't even have to wait thirty years,

1317
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:28,920
Like why we aging up an actress? It was right there.

1318
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,559
So that's the tough thing of like who, like there

1319
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,360
is no one that springs to mind, and there's no

1320
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,360
one of like a big sense of like a nol

1321
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,760
In or like a danevel New where it's like they're

1322
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,400
not gonna take that on, right, So yeah, it's it's

1323
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,039
a tough thing. So that's why I just I would

1324
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:49,920
lean on the Gilroy thing. But I don't think that,

1325
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,480
like I know tons of people, like people with kids

1326
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:54,239
would not love that. That's gonna be a whole new

1327
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,199
Star Wars, right, So this is like a personal thing

1328
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,239
for me to see what it would be like. And

1329
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,840
again also I don't know if this is controversial as well.

1330
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,039
I don't know if I could give him the keys,

1331
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:09,079
but like I really liked Skeleton Crew and to me,

1332
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,719
John Watts did a perfect amalgamation of something completely new

1333
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,119
buttributing to the past. Question is what he do you

1334
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:20,199
know other old school stuff like Old Republic or other sequels.

1335
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:22,880
So it's really tough of who would take this over.

1336
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,599
I know people might throw it like a figy, but

1337
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:26,920
like I again, that's like let him say with Marvel

1338
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,840
do his thing. To me, it's that's his thing. And yeah,

1339
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,400
I just I don't know. It's a tough nut to crack.

1340
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:36,320
So that's where I just I lean on the Dan Gilroy.

1341
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,760
Oh I no, No, he's a completely non Disney affiliator.

1342
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,079
So I have to pick someones not do anything in

1343
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:44,519
Star Wars, right So yeah, and like I'm gonna I

1344
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,519
guess I could say Damon Lindolf because you know, he

1345
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,280
wrote a script but it didn't happen. Right. At one

1346
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,239
point I would have said JJ, but I don't know

1347
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:58,199
about JJ anymore. Yeah, so I'll just I'll go with

1348
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,039
Damon for now. But I'll say there's like no big

1349
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:04,199
perfect person for it right now that springs to mind,

1350
01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:05,760
Like even your tailor shirt is not too bad. I

1351
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,920
don't watch shows, but like some of his movies can

1352
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:11,760
be quite good. Yeah, I'm just trying to think of

1353
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:17,000
anybody else, even on the Pixar level. But yeah, I don't,

1354
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:20,599
I don't know if it's there, you know, so anything

1355
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:25,800
else Taylor on this topic M just anger. It's just aggravating,

1356
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:26,719
it's frustrating.

1357
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: But I'm just happy to have a little bit more

1358
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:31,320
light shut on this and so I can kind of

1359
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,519
redistribute my anger and my blame. It's at this point,

1360
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:37,480
like I said before, we got to see how the

1361
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:41,039
upcoming projects are going to do financially, see if they're

1362
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:43,480
feeling comfortable, if they're going to be safe or whatnot.

1363
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,920
You highlighted how some of these movies nowadays like they

1364
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:50,960
lack development, but they're like Fortnite, not a Fortnite Minecraft

1365
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:54,320
and stuff like that. So I think it's unfortunate that

1366
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,519
we have these movies just kind of like trying to

1367
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,719
adhere to that theme and that atmosphere. I'm sure you know,

1368
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,760
it's an interesting movie on its own, right, but it's

1369
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,840
a shame that I think Disney just looks at the

1370
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,360
next generation of things, so okay, these are the kind

1371
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,079
of movies that we need to need to do to

1372
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:15,920
meet that that kind of bare minimum. It's just it's unfortunate.

1373
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:19,000
So I hope that they turn this around. I hope

1374
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,199
that this project by Adam Driver does come to light.

1375
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's what I hope too. Obviously, in

1376
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,320
the next tras I told you, I will cover it.

1377
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:29,519
If people are listening, I'll probably announce on Patrio. I

1378
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:31,880
don't know if I'll for sure do it on Wednesday

1379
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,679
because this would have been the top. But I would

1380
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:35,920
have rather had Taylor join me on this. I'm glad

1381
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,280
we could get this going because I want his takes

1382
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,400
and his thoughts and everything is also been get heated

1383
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,719
about this, so I might wait till Thursday drop one.

1384
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,760
But that's the thing with what you're just talking about there,

1385
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,039
with movies and companies making these type of projects and content,

1386
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,079
that's the thing that sucks with the news about Warner Bros.

1387
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:54,360
Today And like they've been officially said they're up for

1388
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,480
sales rumors, but today I said, there that and that's

1389
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,760
where it's like, Man, in a couple of years, we're

1390
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,559
not gonna have the May Studios. And that's where it's

1391
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,360
just it's gonna I think in the next five years.

1392
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,559
It's where I'm happy to support the eight twenty fours

1393
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:09,000
and the Neons because I think in five to ten years,

1394
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:12,559
the big IPS companies, it's gonna it could get really

1395
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:14,599
bad because they're gonna make movies a certain way just

1396
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for pure money, and it's you're gonna lose almost all

1397
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,440
sense of kind of artistry in it. So, yeah, like

1398
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you said, I hope this happens. Obviously. Sure you could say,

1399
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oh what if it happening just sucks like the other stuff. Sure,

1400
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but I'd like to try and have some faith and

1401
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:29,880
some hope and hope that it wouldn't go down that

1402
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,760
route and uh, yeah, we'll see. I hope this does happen.

1403
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,079
I'd very much like to see Adam Driver play Kylo

1404
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:38,039
Ren again at some point. Maybe they cycle back to this,

1405
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:39,880
maybe get's put in the ray thing. I don't know.

1406
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,159
And again, we have so much, we have the movies,

1407
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,320
we have Kathy going at some point, I are going

1408
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,800
at some point. There's so much change that's gonna happen

1409
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,920
with Star Wars in general, So hopefully we can see

1410
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,159
better days because I don't want to be I hate

1411
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:55,079
that the thing I was most excited for in Star

1412
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:58,519
Wars in the past, I'll say since Obi Wan and

1413
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,880
Obi Wan was what, let me just twenty twenty one, right,

1414
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,280
I think only one twenty twenty wait one or twenty

1415
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,800
two twenty two, So I'll give it to that. Because

1416
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,039
after the sequel trilogy had a lull, but when Over

1417
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:12,519
one came out, I was very, very excited and there's

1418
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:14,760
still been some great stuff, like Taylor, hopefully you're ready

1419
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,960
and moved in next week. We got Visions season three

1420
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:20,679
coming next week and that's gonna be fantastic hopefully. I

1421
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,159
love Visions. Right. So again, it's not that all stories

1422
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:26,360
has been bad, but the excitement that myself and many

1423
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,800
others have is to like, I would say, had an

1424
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,960
all time low, even lower than when it was not

1425
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,519
getting any movies and whatnot, right, And that's where it

1426
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:38,039
sucks that the thing that after so twenty twenty two

1427
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,639
three years that I'm most excited for is dead and

1428
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,960
buried and not didn't buried, I guess, but like is

1429
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:46,960
dead on arrival as of right now. And I feel

1430
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:49,280
that's the case for most people. It should not be

1431
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,840
the thing. Obviously, projects are gonnaet canceled, not happen, and

1432
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,400
there's gonna be a group of people that are excited

1433
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:56,920
and go, oh that sucks. There shouldn't be something where

1434
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,039
it's such a big uproar that everyone's like, oh, this

1435
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:01,039
would be great to the point, and I'm sure there's

1436
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:02,840
some people I don't want Colraine, that's fine, that's fine.

1437
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,599
If you don't like SCO trilogy it's fine, but to

1438
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:06,360
have so many people doing uproar and be like, you

1439
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:07,960
know what, let's not do anything like that. That's what

1440
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:10,880
it's like. Man, We're in some dire straits right now,

1441
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,639
but who knows, we'll see what happens in the coming years.

1442
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:16,920
We'll be covering it and I pross you. When we're back,

1443
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,599
who knows where the cantina and we'll be boring. May

1444
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,960
the Force be with you, oh,