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Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Human Animal Connection Show, where we believe

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we can communicate with all animals. Join us as we

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explore the thirty three principles and healing methods of the

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Human Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you

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share our commitment to making the world a kinder place

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for all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power

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of the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm

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your host, Genie Joseph, and I have a most delightful guest.

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I have Penelope Smith, and she is the author of

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Animal Talk and Animal Spirit. And these books are like

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the Bibles of animal communication. They have endured. Many books

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come and go, these books are still on our shelves

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and still highlighted, underlined, and worshiped. Well, maybe we're ship's

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too strong a word, but revered, revered, reverd. Yeah. So

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Penelope Smith has been doing telepathic animal communication since the

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nineteen seventies and she's got a lot to say all

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about how animals really feel, how they want us to

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understand them, and how we can do better by them. So, Penelope,

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thank you so much for being on the show today.

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You're very welcome, nice to be here. Thanks you, and

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I'm really enjoying being in your class, your online class

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on animal communication Advanced Animal Whispering. I think is that

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what it's called? I forgot now with Yeah, okay, so

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I just have a question for you. I know, sometimes people,

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even people who work under the banner of spiritual teachers,

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will get into a conversation where they assume that humans

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are in some way spiritually superior to other kinds of animals.

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And how does it make you feel when you hear

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statements like that? And it's unbelievable people still say things

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like that in this day and age that they do. Yeah,

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I recognize it as really just ignorance. It's an area

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that they really have not examined. Now. I've been lecturing

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and teaching since the nineteen seventies, and I used to

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go to metaphysical bookstores and people were really astounded. They say,

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you mean animals evolve? You mean they're spiritual beings? They

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were like, this was like foreign to them. Only humans

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were considered as evolving. The rest was something else. I mean,

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it's a very objective view of the universe, you know,

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the rest is objects were the only ones that are conscious,

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were the only ones evolving. So when I explained to

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them and gave them examples and people started to wake up,

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they go, oh, oh, I just you know, I just

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accepted the belief that animals were automatons. Yeah, and plants

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and mountains and rivers and everything are just they just

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carry on. And I'd laugh because you realize that most

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of the process is in our body are completely unconscious.

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They're they're to us as the individual who is inhabiting

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the body. They just carry on. But I love because

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they assign that to all the rest of the universe,

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but don't realize that really we're not in charge in

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the way we think we are, and there's billions, trillions

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of beings in our body that are conscious and carrying

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on and cooperating with each other. If there weren't, we

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would not have a functioning body and we would not

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be able to do what we do as humans. So

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I just think it's really accepting the beliefs that have

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gone before the you know, the Descartes beliefs of oh,

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animals don't feel anything, you know, you can do anything

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you want with them, cut them open, everything's fine because

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you know, don't mind that they're screaming. That means nothing.

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It's just an automatic response. Will think the same way women,

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black people, you name it, any other Jewish people, you

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name it. Whatever group was chosen as supposedly lower was

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then regarded as not really human, and human means real

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to be respected and alive. So then they would just

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call them. They would say, well, they're like animals, right,

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and you see they're like animals. What does that mean? Well,

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I'm very happy to be like an animal because basically

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in my physical form, I am. You know, an animal

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means soul, spirit, breath, air, life. There's nothing different between

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the spiritual quality of human animals and other animals. So

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I just look at it. But I woke a lot

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of people up. I mean, people just shifted out of

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that old paradigm, and many people who couldn't communicate with animals,

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like you know, the people were similar. They go, well,

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power animals and spiritual guides, and I go, you know,

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it's the same thing. It's you know, you're ignoring your

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domesticated animals with the telepathy that you're doing with the

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power animals and your other spiritual guides it's all the same.

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So why don't you communicate with your animals that are

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right there and cultivate their wisdom. And the same thing

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happened with them. People went oh my gosh, oh my gosh,

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oh my gosh, and they became animal communicators. I mean

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that again was in the eighties, and just this constant

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shifting of consciousness. So it really still surprises me since

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many spiritual leaders have shifted. You take someone like Deepak

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Chopra and many others who are very conscious that animals

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are not things, that they are spiritual beings, that they evolved,

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that they cooperate, that they help each other, that they

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help humans. On it goes so that many are awakened,

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and then many stick to these old beliefs all humans

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are in the image of God and nothing else is.

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And I go, these are all interpretations, These are all

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translations of texts that were written well after this person

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who supposedly said them said them, you know, And on

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it goes, and I go, well, just look to the being,

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look to the animal. And if you cannot communicate with them,

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how can you know what's going on with them? Now,

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good observers, people who are actually observe and look, they

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see the they see the reality of the spirit in animals.

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You know, I mean, I go, I mean, as it

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my whole life, I've seen the spiritual quality of animals,

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so like never understood it. I said, yes, you just

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look at them. It's real obvious, isn't it. Yeah, just

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look at them. They're responding and they're alive. They you know,

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they're emotional, they make decisions, they don't like something, and

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then you know, what's how can you not get that?

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You know, you don't know how many consultations I did

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early on. I don't think it happens so much now,

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But what happened around the world for people who are

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pioneering in their own areas that have belief systems that

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say animals don't think, don't decide. But howtimes in consultations

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people would say to me, he needs a decision. He

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decided that himself. You mean he's thinking about his life.

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I go, yes, and yes, so they would. You know,

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you could feel all the wheels turning and everything shifting

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inside of people. But really, what it takes, Genie is

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people need to look without the biases, without the prejudices.

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So if I look at you and I I just thought, well,

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this person couldn't communicate any to anything to me because

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she's just an object, you know, so I won't expect

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anything from her, and anything that comes out of her

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is just this automatic gibberish or some you know. Then

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I wouldn't hear a thing you said, right, and I

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wouldn't recognize who you are at all. And that's what

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they've done to animals, plants, rivers, mountains, you know, all

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the that are conscious and alive. And because the consciousness

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looks different, it's expressed differently. This is what throws people.

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They're always looking in this human mirror and they go, well,

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if they don't express themselves like a human. But I've

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watched it, you know, for the last fifty years. I've

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watched it change. You know, all the things they used

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to think that separated humans from the rest. Tool using

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was a big one, but they found out there's all

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kinds of animals who use tools. Okay, Then it was this,

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Then it was that it was one right together that divided.

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And now these latest holdouts, who are spiritual leaders with

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lots of following, they're going, oh, well, this person who

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wrote to me, she was so upset about that. He said,

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they can't make choices to change their actions. They are

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just going to act the way they're programmed. Wow, I go,

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they can't make choices, yeah, they go. You know, I mean,

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I go, whoa I mean? He said, Oh, but you

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know it's my observation and my intuition, and it's what

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it's where he is at on the subject. I mean,

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you can't see what you won't see, you know, if

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you're programmed to that, it's like this. It's hard to

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get through all that, sure, you know.

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Speaker 3: That's why I tell animal communities you got to be

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an open, open area or field has to be very

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clear and open for you to actually perceive and then

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receive and translate truly without all your stuffs, without all

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your ideas.

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Speaker 2: So these people have not learned in communication with others.

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You have to put your ideas aside. That goes the

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same for human communication. Until you put your ideas aside,

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you don't hear the other person to get the freshness

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of their viewpoints. You can't because your ideas are in

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the way, and you get just your own feedback. You know,

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we humans are so good at this doing the circular

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feedback of their own ideas instead of being surprised, you

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know why what they get? You know, like with animals,

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I just flam that every time I communicate with them,

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it's always something different. It's always a surprise. Yeah, refreshing

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because just like you get people from other cultures, it's

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a very similar thing. You know, you go to travel,

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why travel so eye opening? You get other people's viewpoints

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that are very different than your own. Right, start to

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see life can be lived and interpreted in a whole

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lot of different ways, so kind of out of our

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own cobwebs these systems and go, whoa. I never looked

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at it that way. Can you imagine, as you know,

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because you're an animal communicator, but can you imagine when

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people start communicating with other species, You're just gonna crap,

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You're gonna go, whoa. That's a whole another way to

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look at the universe. And then in the species, there's

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all these individuals and they're gonna have their own take

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on life too, Right, every every dog you talk to

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is different, every horse you talk to is different. You

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know it. It's and it's wonderful. And I just why

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I get on my soapbox on these things because it's

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my mission in life. So I mean, this is at

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the core of why I'm here, is to open up

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people to the spiritual nature of all life, all life. Yes,

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you indicate with all life that it's all alive and

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it all communicates. And where the ones that have to

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wake up. We're the ones that have to become more

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conscious in order to do this. See that's the turnaround exactly,

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go into this superiority thing. Well, we are the ones

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who are evolving.

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Speaker 3: We are the ones who we are the only ones

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who can change our minds.

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Speaker 2: We are the only ones who can self reflect. We

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actually self reflect a little bit too much. Yes, we

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go round and round in our own thoughts and call

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it self reflection. Yeah, so there you go. They Yeah,

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got me on my soapbox. Yes, that's why I get

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on myself by well, I think the world needs a

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little of that soap, you know, because I sometimes when

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I talk with the animal researchers are doing wonderful work,

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you know, it's all part of the growth. But then

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we'll get to the question of animal consciousness and the

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door slams shut. So sometimes they'll tell me, well, you know,

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I think that too, But I would never say that

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ot a public. Don't quote me, you know what I mean,

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because it's still so risky for them. It's changed a lot,

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you know, I know that that it's still people. You

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know that paradigm is so rigid, and how you are

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accepted as a researcher and a science scientist is very

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rigid still. And at the same time, it's changed so much.

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I've watched it fit, you know, over fifty years. I've

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watched it change. How people allow now that animals think

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they may have decisions, they have remplex communication systems. They

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never would say that. They never say that animals had feelings,

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since they were looking at it, that it was all automatic.

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They would study deer leaping around and playing with each other, okay,

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because they couldn't say the word play because that was

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two that was too a human, you know, that was

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being anthropomorphic. And finally researchers would say, well, there's no

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other reason for it. I can't find any other evolutionary, physical,

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evolutionary reason why they should be leaping around in this

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field with each other and lane and look like they're

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tagging then they play. Now, it may have taken them

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years to come to that conclusions, you know, but it

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has changed so much, and now you get whole groups

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of scientifically oriented people who are scientists, who are researchers,

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and I had students who are biologists other researchers who

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who added it to their understanding this consciousness and then

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added their own sealed and their own scientific research, which

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is happening now. There's a big movement now to make it,

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you know acceptable, the communicate animal communication in a way

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that scientists can understand it. And also realizing that I've

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been through this for so many years, you know, they

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try to apply rigid scientific method and I go, you

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can't even do this with human communication. You can't apply

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this rigid scientific double blind study because it's very sllexable

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and it keeps changing emotions, change decisions, changed thinking. You

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can't apply it like you can to you know the

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speed of this or that, or you know physical phenomenon.

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It's not the same. So these wonderful people who are

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doing research, they're developing new models of how can we

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test that this is really happening, but without the model

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that cuts it all out right? Ah right, yeah, Yeah,

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it's it's wild times we live in. I mean, it's

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so good to talk to you because you have seen

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it from you know, from the time wherein scientists couldn't

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utter the word consciousness in public. To well, they'll say, well,

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I don't know, but at least they'll say maybe yeah, yeah,

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or that there is a consciousness here, you know, and

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they'll define it differently. I mean there are many now

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spiritual leaders who also have scientific backgrounds, and they meld

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it together and they go, this shows consciousness. Yes, the

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fact that the animal did this and this and this

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shows consciousness. Now before they wouldn't have been open to that.

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now they go, well, this shows consciousness. This, they're making

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this decision, they're changing their behavior. I mean, I delightedn't

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they see that before? I mean, for me, it's been

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very obvious from or before day one. I was going

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to say since day one, but before that you know

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that that we're all alive and conscious and aware beings.

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things that catches people. Yes, it gets so human oriented

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that they go, well, the only thing that's valid is

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if it's expressed in a human way, right language, or yeah, yeah, yeah,

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When we come back, I want to hear some of

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your maybe early story there is where you just had

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an absolute experience. This animal has emotions, this animal is

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making choices, this animal has consciousness. We'll hear some of

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your wonderful stories and just a moment, we'll.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk pets on Petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, to the human animal connection where I'm speaking

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with Penelope Smith all about animal consciousness. Now, I know

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it's so real to you because you've had so many

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experiences of communicating with animals and seeing how they make choices,

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seeing how they have emotions, they have opinions, they choose play,

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for example, just to play. They love, just to love.

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It doesn't have to be anything different from what we experience.

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But tell us maybe some of the stories that really

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for you open your eyes maybe earlier. I know that

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they've been open all along, but just to help people

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sort of understand kind of that the steps that you

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came to this deep understanding, well, I would say again,

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for me, I always understood them this way. I just

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looked at it. You know, I looked at animals that

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they just had different costumes. You know, they had a

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different body, so it's a different costume, but it's the

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same being. You know, we'd communicate to each other, no problem.

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They understood me. I understood them. I had a lot

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of relationships with wild animals, my domesticated animals. I would

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talk to them, they would understand me, they would listen. Okay,

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So some examples from my work as an animal communication

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specialist where I was doing a lot of counseling. I

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started out with learning that animals responded the same way

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to human counseling techniques that helped people through traumas. So

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my first experience was how animals answered respect I mean,

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I knew they could communicate, but I went, well, okay,

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I've got an animal with a problem, and so why

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don't I just apply the same techniques that work with humans.

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I'll question them, I'll get them to express their emotions

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and help to release the trauma, and we'll see what happens. Well, now,

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there's been a gazillion examples of that. I won't give

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my first example because that you can read animal talk

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for that. That was pretty dramatic when I first applied counseling.

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The changes were enormous. But you see, this shows the consciousness.

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How can animals if they didn't understand, if they weren't conscious,

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how could they respond to questions? How could they release

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traumas and change? Now, the thing is, as I always

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say to people, it's very experiential. It's right there. It's

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shown in their behavior. You don't have to go, well,

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how could I know you were communicating? Because it's all silent. Well,

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they just changed right in front of you. So I'll

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give you an example. This is one of my favorite ones.

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I'll never forget this one. This woman called me because

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she was concerned about her cat, who no longer was

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affectionate with her. In fact, every time she came in

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the door, the cat jumped onto the refrigerator and wouldn't

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come down until she went away. Now, this was opposite

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to their relationship that they had before. Were affectionate, you know,

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the usual loving and playing with each other. And so

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she was very concerned. And so this one was done

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in person. In the early days, I did a lot

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of communications in person, and so I knew nothing about

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the woman. I knew nothing about her life, I knew

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nothing about her cat. I went in there, I sat down,

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and sure enough was on the brie bridge on the

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top of the refrigerator. So I began to communicate with

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the cat and asked her, so, what's the scoop, What's

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what's going on? You know, why why do you jump

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up to the refrigerator when your person comes in. What's happened?

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So she explained to me, she said, my person has

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stopped go into her meditation classes. I. I came here

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to help her to evolve spiritually, and I was very

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happy when she was going to her meditation classes. I

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could see the changes, and in fact, we loved meditating together. Okay,

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but then she stopped going, and she's been very anxious

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and she doesn't she wants to be close to me,

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but I won't be close to her until she does

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what she's meant to do on her spiritual path, because

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that's what I'm here for. So because the person I

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wasn't listening to her, the cat just said, I'm going

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to sit up here on the refrigerator till you get it. Yeah.

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So the woman said to me, well, yeah, I stopped going.

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I mean, you know, I didn't know anything about this

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woman going to meditation classes. She said, yeah, I stopped

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because I started working overtime. And then when the overtime

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and we made more money. And then when the overtime ended,

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my boss said, well, we have an opportunity if you

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want to keep on with lots of work. She continued,

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because she wanted to make more money, but that meant

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no more time for meditation classes. So she was working

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making a lot of money, and her cat noticed this. Yeah,

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and noticed that she also was getting less aware, less evolved.

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She was going down the tubes. Okay, yeat, And so

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the woman said, yeah, I just got into the money thing,

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you know, I just really got to be a really

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wow thing for me to have more money. And I

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realized that, you know, I was definitely getting more anxious

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and my life was getting more frazzled. And I said, well,

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if you want your cat to respond well to you,

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then you're going to have to go back to your

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magination classes and take your you know, your money motivation

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out the door, you know. And she said, I didn't

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quite say it like that, but you know that was

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kind of the cat's a viewpoint, right And she said, yeah,

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I really realize that. And you know, I knew my

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cat understood me. I knew my cat was taking care

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of me. I didn't realize that she had, as you said,

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come here as a guide for me. And now it

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makes total sense. She said, yeah, I will go back,

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And as soon as she said that, the cat jumped

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down to the from the refrigerator came over to me first,

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thank ate heard on my lap, and then went over

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to the person and you know, there it is now

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it is you know, I mean they demonstrate their consciousness.

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Of course, the person went back to her medicician classes,

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they had a happy relationship again, and in how could

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you explain this otherwise than that the count stood that

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the cat has a higher consciousness. In fact, in this way,

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was more spiritually aware than her person. She knew what

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was important in life, right, you know what was important,

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and she was taking care of her person. You see

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these as things that these spiritual leaders and other people

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don't have any concept of. And I can demonstrate it

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over and over and over again. How animals show this consciousness?

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I have a question for you. Do do some people

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say that people and animals can reincarnate back and forth?

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What has been your experience? Have some of the animals

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that you've met been people before and then chosen to

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be an able maybe tell us a and vice versa.

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You know, I've that experience is in other animal forms

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that I totally enjoyed. Then they helped me in my

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life because I also remembered my past lives unlike most humans.

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Plus part of my counseling training was a past live regression.

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Oh you know it was. It raised my consciousness on

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the whole thing. But what I sound is that beings

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go from life to life according to their journeys, according

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to what will best evolve them. What pieces of the

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puzzle are they missing to come back to oneness and wholeness,

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to be in union with the total divine which is

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in and around all of us. So what is missing?

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So you'll take some humans and will just say, you

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know what, I need to learn how to really love it,

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to love without any object, without any reason. I'm going

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to be a dog. Yeah, And so they'll spend a

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lifetime as a dog and they'll really steel it in

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their whole being. They'll go, I get what pure devotion is.

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I get what pure union is. I get it on

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a whole another level. So then they go back. Then

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the next lifetime they go back to being human and

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apply it. You've learned. They're more generous, they're more loving.

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They may work with animals or them, they work with

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other humans, helping to care for them, helping homeless people, whatever.

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But the point is we go according to what is

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our evolution? What is helpful? See it's not this again

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there's this old style thinking that okay, since animals are lower, well,

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if you're bad, this lifetime you've done evil things, You're

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gonna be a microbe or you're going to be a

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frog or whatever what's being. I mean, that makes me

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sick to even think of that, because microbes and frogs

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have incredible consciousness, incredible awareness about who they are in

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the web of life, and also their awareness of themselves

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as spiritual beings living a different experience, living as a frog,

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living as a micro living as a human, which many

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humans do not have. You see the mind thing of humans.

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While we have definitely incredible powers of creativity with our minds,

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we also have a trap here. The trap is to

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go into this kind of analysis where we do separate

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ourselves from the rest of the world and so except

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we're superior, instead of seeing that it's all one interconnected life. Yeah. Well,

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I'm going to ask you a big question, which is,

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you know, in general, with all your years of communicating

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with animals and plants and rivers and trees and birds

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and everybody, what is your sense of how they see

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us as humans? How do they see us? They're very benevolent,

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you know what I have, what I would say, and

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what I would say. The biggest lesson that I learned

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from communicating with animals over all kinds of species, including

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what people consider inanimate you know, which is there's nothing

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that is inanimate. It's all alive. But anyway, all this experience,

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you know what I found incredible compassion. They understand that

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humans have it very hard. That humans are pretty unconscious

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for the most part, you know, all humans and obviously

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the many humans that are very conscious and do incredible,

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beautiful things on this earth. But animals look at humans

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and they go a lot of humans and they go, wow,

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you've got to be stay away from them, because boy,

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they are so unconscious. They'll kill you, or they'll kill

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each other, or they'll kill themselves, you know. So there's

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a caution, say among whit animals are obviously a good caution.

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There's also a compassion. So when you do connect, when

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you can reach out, or even when you need help.

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How many stories are there documented stories of animals who

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supposedly eat it, can eat and hurt humans, take in

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human babies who are lost, you know, and these are

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documented stories, I mean, or take care of them, or

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lead people to them, to save a child who's injured.

476
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I mean, there's all kinds of again, documented stories. So

477
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I just go animals have again a reasonable fear. You

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got to be afraid of what can hurt you. And

479
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they also have tremendous compassion. Whether they're domesticated animals who

480
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know us so closely and have even more compassion. They go,

481
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oh my gosh, humans stop, they get so lost, you know,

482
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just like that cat sitting on the refrigerator going, oh

483
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my god. She's up in her head, in her anxiety,

484
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she's all in her fear. She doesn't ever come into

485
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the present moment like she did when she was meditating. Yes,

486
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you know, I mean, they said, and they look at

487
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us and they go wow wow. And so there's trementous

488
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,960
convention because they have trendous love. Well, you know, so

489
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they go, wow, I'm gonna help I'm gonna help my person.

490
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I'm gonna help her to wake up. But I'm also

491
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gonna help her through the challenge of being human. I mean,

492
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the human condition is a very challenging condition. It's full

493
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of contradictions. I would say that animals don't generally have.

494
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Of course, domesticated animals take on a lot of things

495
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,839
that are part of the human condition, but right most

496
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,400
animals do not have all these contradictions It's pretty straightforward.

497
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You know. I'm on my mission. I do this part

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in the web of life. I also have my individual

499
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,119
mission as a spirit to grow in a certain way

500
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in this lifetime. So I'm going to attract certain experiences.

501
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You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna relate to humans while

502
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my other other beings of my kind don't want to

503
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,559
relate to humans, I do, you know. And so you

504
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:18,759
get animals, wild animals who are emissaries, you know, who

505
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,319
just reach out. They come up on your doorstep, you know,

506
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,440
and other animals are going, why are you doing that? Right?

507
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:32,039
Whoa you know? So tremendous understanding among animals about it

508
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,400
about humans. They get it. They look at you, I

509
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,440
mean look back at them. They're assessing you. You know,

510
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:42,079
that rat you think is a lower being? You've got

511
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:46,680
you completely your number out there. Talk about you know,

512
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,039
any if you want to talk about who's closest to humans.

513
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,759
Look at these guys who assess all the time. They

514
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,680
have to live close to humans, so they have to

515
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,119
assess mental things. Yes, you know, the raccoons, the rats,

516
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,119
the microbes who are constantly trying to survive and assess

517
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,160
what humans are doing. I mean, this is quite an

518
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160
amazing thing. So you look at them and you see

519
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,480
you see their consciousness, You see their awareness, you see

520
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,720
how they're making decisions. Just look at them. Yeah, I

521
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,559
mean wow. And that they choose to relate to us,

522
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,519
to me as always a privilege wild animals. See, it's

523
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:30,920
always this incredible privilege because most humans are dangerous. Yes, yes, indeed,

524
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:34,039
so that they relate to us, that they look at

525
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,799
you and the animals in my area they look at

526
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:38,759
me and they go, oh, it's her, you know her.

527
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,519
I don't I don't have to worry. You know. That's

528
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,839
so nice. Well, before we leave, maybe if you could

529
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just be for people who are just starting on their

530
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,799
journey of opening their hearts and their minds to animal communication.

531
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What's one piece of advice for the beginner's mind? Said

532
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:59,160
the beginner, Yeah, is just spend time out in nature.

533
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,640
Spend time just being quiet, out in nature and observing.

534
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:08,440
Open yourself up to observation obviously nature. Being out in nature,

535
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,079
we get calmer. All these studies show that, you know,

536
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,920
just walk on a path wherever you are, whether you're

537
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,159
in a city or whatever. Walk on a path where

538
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,000
there are trees, where there are birds. Sit and just

539
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:28,559
be aware. Practice just coming back down to earth, out

540
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,719
of the head, back down to earth and look around you,

541
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,280
and your awareness will start to open to the consciousness

542
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,480
of other beings, be open to the idea that they're conscious,

543
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,880
living beings, and see what happens. Great beautifulness, beautiful a

544
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,119
life well. Penelope Smith, author of Animal Talk and Animal Spirit,

545
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,480
It's been just so wonderful to have you on the show.

546
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,599
I know we're just skimming the surface of so much

547
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:57,400
we could talk about for many, many episodes, but thank

548
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,639
you for being here, and thank you for great work

549
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:02,960
that you've done and that you are doing and that

550
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you will do. You've done so much to open the

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00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,760
path for others.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Gee, all right, we'll see you again. I'm Jeanie Joseph

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and you've been listening to The Human Animal Connection. See

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you next time.

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