WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:02.240 This is Kathleen Martin. 2 00:00:02.359 --> 00:00:16.039 You're listening to UFO Headquarters. Beautiful headquarters, and welcome. It 3 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:19.879 definitely is to all of our listeners, whether you're here 4 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:22.719 in the United States of America or in one of 5 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:25.960 the many different countries abroad that we have listeners, and 6 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.120 we really appreciate and thank you for joining us. Michael 7 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:33.520 Warden with Linda Zimmerman. Of course, Linda, how are things going. 8 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:38.439 Our life remains interesting and you know what that involves. 9 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:45.520 Yes, our lives are about as bizarre as our paranormal interests. 10 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:54.560 Yes, that's right, yes, yeah, yeah, so we have a 11 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:58.119 very interesting case. But you have some things you want 12 00:00:58.159 --> 00:00:59.159 to talk about first. 13 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:02.479 Yes, So you know, I noticed on some of my 14 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:06.400 social media that because the phone clearly listens to my 15 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:10.400 conversations about things like UFOs et cetera, that there's some 16 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:16.280 apps that you can self report UFO activity. So you 17 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:17.799 can look up in the sky and you can go 18 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:21.159 on the app and apparently input the details of that, 19 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.359 and then you can look in real time to see 20 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:28.159 where other people are experiencing. And as we always tell 21 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:32.159 people to there are so many other it's great to 22 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:34.799 do that. I think it's a great idea, but people 23 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:40.560 have to eliminate the obvious first. You know, the FAA website, 24 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:42.760 the air traffic it's very easy to find out if 25 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:46.680 there's air traffic in your area unless it's military, and 26 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:50.280 then you're probably out of luck. But drone activity and 27 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:54.840 that pesky venus that seems to always show up all 28 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:58.560 over the sky and every manner. So I think it's 29 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:00.599 a great idea though, and it's a a good step 30 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:02.519 in the direction. It's just we have to make sure 31 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:04.599 that the reports people do out there, you make sure 32 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.640 you're really doing good reports, because if you're reporting airplanes 33 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:10.520 and satellites and star Link and all that, that's not 34 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:11.280 going to help us. 35 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:16.960 Yeah, the there is that app also for satellites, so 36 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:22.520 if you can rule out satellites, you can rule out 37 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:27.199 you know, regular FAA transponders. Like you said, not a 38 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:30.080 lot you can do about military, but there's a lot 39 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:35.240 you can do, you know, And there's plenty of astronomy 40 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.360 apps to make sure it wasn't venus that you were 41 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:39.919 yeah seeing. 42 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.599 I actually downloaded one for my son because we got 43 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.800 him a telescope and you can actually hold your phone 44 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:51.000 in the direction and it shows you like amazingly all 45 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:52.439 the stars where they are, what they are. 46 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.960 Yeah, and identifies them. It's their great apps. 47 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:55.360 Yeah. 48 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.199 So just just for yeah, just for the stargazing aspect, 49 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:05.599 I recommend one of those. So all right, so shall 50 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:07.319 we jump in here? 51 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:08.000 Yes? 52 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:12.360 Shall Yeah. So I'm calling this UFOs a lake in 53 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:17.400 Bigfoot because we're covering UFOs and Bigfoot by a lake. 54 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:18.919 So I love it. 55 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:23.479 See, I employed all my author years of authorship to 56 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.560 come up with that title. But I was thinking wistfully 57 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.759 the other day about a lot of the we've we're 58 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:35.080 losing a lot of great UFO witnesses in the last 59 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:39.280 few years, particularly from the wave of the eighties, and 60 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:44.639 I thought of one man, Ted Windsor, who was one 61 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:48.439 of the most delightful people I've ever interviewed, just a 62 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:54.919 real character, wonderful and he was about seventy five when 63 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:57.599 I had interviewed him, and I thought, gee, would be 64 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.240 great to talk to him again. Fortunately he passed away 65 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.919 a few years ago, so I thought little tribute to him, 66 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:11.439 And also he had just a fascinating story which tied 67 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:16.800 into some other activity. So Ted was born in nineteen 68 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:22.240 thirty seven and starting in the nineteen forties his family 69 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:28.920 started spending summers on Glenmere Lake in Florida, New York. 70 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:35.519 Now it's beautiful there. I have kayakeed. I used to 71 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.560 kayak every day. I have kayaked hundreds of times on 72 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:44.240 Glenmere Lake, gone way back in this swampy area on 73 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:49.959 the eastern coast. Have never been there at night. I 74 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.279 think after this, you know, I don't know if you're 75 00:04:53.319 --> 00:05:00.959 allowed to, but yeah, canoeing or kayaking on lakes at 76 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.279 night is kind of how shall I put it, asking 77 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:11.439 for trouble something like. But he in nineteen forty seven, 78 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:14.920 so we're going back. That was the Kenneth Arnold here 79 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.839 of his size. So we're going way back. It's a 80 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:23.759 beautiful summer night. He's fishing in a canoe with a 81 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.319 friend and his father. He's about ten at this point. 82 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:31.800 They're on the west close to the west bank, and 83 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:37.079 the east bank is was heavily wooded, probably a lot 84 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.759 more heavily wooded, you know. In forty seven, he said, 85 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:44.120 out of the woods over the by the east bank, 86 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:49.560 a bright, round lighted craft rose up. He said it 87 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.639 was like the full moon, that bright, that round it 88 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:58.839 lifted up, and he said it wasn't floating. It was 89 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.920 moving under power, So this wasn't somebody releasing a weather 90 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:10.079 balloon from right and then it underpower it moved to 91 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:14.560 the south end of the lake, which believe me, is 92 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:18.079 high strangeness territory. I'll try to touch on some of that. 93 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:22.800 And he was just fascinated. He wasn't afraid at all. 94 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.199 He said, he'd never even heard. He didn't know anything 95 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:29.560 about UFOs. Chances are the term flying saucer hadn't even 96 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:33.399 been coined yet, depending on when that summer it was, 97 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.920 so he didn't know what a U. He didn't know 98 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:40.079 what he was looking at, but he was fascinated. The father, however, 99 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:45.759 had a slightly different reaction. He immediately started shouting, you 100 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:50.680 didn't see anything. You didn't see anything. What's what's up 101 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.279 with that? Had had he seen something before? 102 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.480 What? You know? I always say this whenever I hear 103 00:06:57.560 --> 00:06:59.839 stories like this, How common is it that we hear 104 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.639 two people witnessing the same exact thing having two very 105 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:08.360 different reactions, often one positive and the other one very 106 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.360 negative to some extent, Like like you said, he doesn't 107 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.759 the term UFO probably wasn't even around, and he's just 108 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.560 watching that. His father's freaking out, Like how two people, 109 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:23.319 same event, completely different experiences. 110 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:25.600 Right right? You know, it kind of makes me wonder 111 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:30.120 was this man in World War Two? Had he seen 112 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:35.399 other things, you know, and his ventures around the world? 113 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:40.519 You know, speculation, but it just seems to be a 114 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:46.000 rather extreme reaction. You know, you could imagine him saying, oh, 115 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.959 oh my god, what is that? But you didn't see 116 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:53.240 any like, we don't talk about this. So yeah, very 117 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.800 very very interesting. So why don't there are but wait, 118 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:01.240 there's more? But why don't we take our first break 119 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:02.680 and come back for more? 120 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:12.680 Hudson River Radio dot com Hudson River Radio dot Com 121 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:17.439 subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment LLC, blasting the competition in New 122 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:18.519 York's Hudson Valley. 123 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.120 Well, we're back on lend. You promised more before the break, 124 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:28.120 and I'm gonna hold you to that now. 125 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.639 I here we go. Okay, So ever, here of Paul 126 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.240 Smith College and the Adirondecks. 127 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:38.519 I don't think I ever had. 128 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.440 Neither, had I had to. I had to look it up. 129 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:43.279 Apparently it's in the middle of the ad of Rondecks. 130 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:47.399 If you go up to Lake Placid, Saranac Lake and 131 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:49.759 keep going, Brian, are you familiar. 132 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.559 With Yeah, they do a lot of outdoor environmental. 133 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.759 Yes, environmental forestry. 134 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:55.120 Yep. 135 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.960 Have you been there. I've been in the area. I 136 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:00.559 haven't been on the campus, but I've been the parks 137 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.320 in the area and all that. Yeah. Yeah, so it's 138 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.919 rather remote. Oh yeah, yeah, and would have been more 139 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:10.799 remote in the late fifties. So late fifties or very 140 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:16.679 early sixties. Uh. Ted is hunting with six friends near 141 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:22.679 the Paul Smith College. It's October. And guess what they're in? 142 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.879 A canoe once again, canoe on a You think you 143 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:31.480 Ted would have learned? He said there was a bright 144 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:36.279 He said it was star like object, but many times 145 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.960 bigger than a star, so clearly not a star. Because 146 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:43.559 it was also moving quickly in a series of right 147 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:45.399 angle turns. 148 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:47.600 Yes, okay that way. 149 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:55.320 No aircraft doesn't either. So they were just stunned. And plus, 150 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.639 you're I mean, you're very vulnerable. What are you going 151 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:00.639 to do, You're a captive audience. You're a canoe on 152 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.919 a lake at night. So they watched it for a 153 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:08.480 while make these right angle turns, and then it shot 154 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:12.720 straight up at an extremely high rate of speed. So 155 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:16.559 there were seven of them. They all saw it, they're all. 156 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:23.399 But after that day, five of the guys denied anything. 157 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:27.200 It all happened. So there we go. 158 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:32.559 Again, Yeah we all why are they denying it? 159 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:40.759 Ridicule factor, I don't or just fear right now, A 160 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:45.480 lot of people just get so scared. Ted said he 161 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:50.799 was later stationed at Fort Hood, Texas, and he said 162 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.879 he saw a similar object there. So here, you know, 163 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:59.879 ten year old boy has this very close sighting and 164 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.679 guess what has another one has another one, and it's 165 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.360 going to have another one. He was then stationed in 166 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:13.480 Korea near the DMZ as a medic and he said 167 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.840 he saw a lot of weird stuff in the sky, 168 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:19.200 but you know, there's spyplanes, there's all kinds of activity. 169 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:23.639 But you know, after a while you probably get a 170 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:29.679 sense of what's ours, what's theirs, what's nobody's right. And 171 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.240 he said his captain would just laugh at him and say, oh, 172 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:37.720 you're being ridiculous. Until the night he and the captain 173 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:44.480 saw five very bright objects come together. Sounds like the 174 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:48.840 sighting I had where three objects became one. Only these 175 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:55.639 separated again, and as five separate objects took off towards 176 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:59.679 the north at a high rate of speed. Okay, so 177 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:05.120 very interesting. Captain was a believer. After that, he said, 178 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:08.440 two weeks later he got a phone call and he said, 179 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.799 when you're in the middle of Korea, you don't expect 180 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:18.080 a phone call. But somehow the call came through. A 181 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:22.759 friend of his worked at a radar installation to the south, 182 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:28.279 and he asked Ted. He said, have you been seeing anything? 183 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.360 He said, We've been picking up a lot of things 184 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:38.720 on radar radar quote that are too fast to be ours. Okay, 185 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.120 and this is of wording it right, and this is 186 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:47.159 this is what he's You know, people's lives depend on 187 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:51.159 these radar guys. And when the radar guys is like, 188 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:55.039 uh oh, what is this? And they had been tracking 189 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:59.200 these objects for a couple of weeks, going right over 190 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:04.759 Ted's position. So chances are that sighting he and the 191 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:10.000 Captain had was captured on radar. And he said, you know, 192 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.159 I know what I saw. He goes, but it's really 193 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.480 nice to get radar confirmation, right, so. 194 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:21.600 You know, was he was it the years he served? 195 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:26.159 Was it after the war? When you know, I'm curious, 196 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:29.919 you know how how active the area was around the 197 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.240 DMZ even then? You know if it was in the 198 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:36.879 years afterwards, do you think any air traffic in that 199 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.519 area not only is it restricted but closely monitored? 200 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.600 Right, right, I don't think he was there during the war. 201 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.240 I could be I could be wrong on that, but 202 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:52.399 he you know, I'm not sure. But yeah, still in 203 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:59.799 the fifties or early sixties, the DMZ area of Korea 204 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:02.799 probably a very interesting place. 205 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.399 Yeah, a lot of tensions where right, both sides were 206 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:09.679 expecting the other side to come across at any moment. 207 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:16.159 So I'm sure that radar operators in that era were 208 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:21.000 specifically looking for unusual targets that could indicate aircraft or 209 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:22.080 bombers and things. 210 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.240 So right, right, Yeah, there was a sighting which really 211 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:29.919 put UFOs on the map in the I don't want 212 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:36.639 to give the wrong date, but it was two crews 213 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:43.639 of B twenty nine craft saw bright, bright orange round 214 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:50.759 object over two different cities, and that information went worldwide 215 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:55.480 and it really started putting the idea of UFOs in 216 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:03.440 people's heads. But again, who's of B twenty nine's They 217 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.840 kind of should should be considered reliable witnesses, you would hope, 218 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.679 or you wouldn't be putting them in a B twenty nine. 219 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:14.000 Yeah, you would, you would think the highly trained people 220 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:15.519 are pretty incredible witnesses here. 221 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:21.440 Yeah yeah, so yeah so another so this activity he 222 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:24.600 sees even on the other other side of the world. 223 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:29.200 But let's come back to Glenmere Lake again. He is 224 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:33.600 now in the nineteen seventies. He is a surveyor and 225 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.320 so gets to go through you know, the woods all 226 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:41.440 in the area, and he started going back to his 227 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:45.639 beloved Glenmure Lake and he said, one day he's out 228 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:49.799 hunting with a friend in those woods on the east 229 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.960 side of the lake where he saw that craft rise 230 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:57.279 out of it, and they had a pack of hunting dogs, 231 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:01.200 beagles and you know beagles. They just let me add 232 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:04.360 it right, they love to be out in the woods. 233 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.480 And they said, these beagles had been out hundreds of times, 234 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.879 you know, show no fear. They go, they go after things. 235 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:16.480 He said. All of a sudden, the whole pack of 236 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:23.080 beagles comes running back, he said, quote scared to death, 237 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:28.240 like what you know what scares a hunting dog? All 238 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:32.120 of them rule pack at the same time, he said. 239 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:35.639 Then the two of them hurt. He said, heard in 240 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:40.879 quotes a beeping sound. He said, it wasn't something we 241 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.000 heard with our ears. It was like in our heads. 242 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.000 I felt like it was a warning to stay away. 243 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:54.720 So clearly the hunting dogs heard it as a warning 244 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:59.919 or something scaring them off. However, Ted's friend says, we've 245 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.759 got guns, let's go find out what it is. 246 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:05.480 That never ever ends. 247 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:11.480 Well, what could go wrong? You're in a UFO area 248 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:13.640 and you're gonna go running in there with guns when 249 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:17.400 the dogs are running the other way. So Ted said, 250 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.799 I said to him, you can go over there, but 251 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:25.359 I'm not because he remembered that sighting and anything that 252 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.640 is beeping in their heads and terrifying their hunting dogs, 253 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:37.519 so that was probably wise. He didn't do that. So, 254 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:44.079 you know, there's just so much bizarre things I have 255 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:49.000 heard over the years. Glenmere Lake. I had one witness 256 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:51.960 just a year or two ago say they were remember 257 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:56.480 the craft landed on the south side. Yes, they were 258 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:01.759 doing some hiking. And this is very weird, very convoluted. 259 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:05.079 I could probably spend a whole episode on this. But 260 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:12.400 they saw some strange looking people walking that then they 261 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:14.960 lost sight of them when they shouldn't have lost sight 262 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:17.640 of them, and they tried like where did that person go? 263 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.880 And you know, like the ground was muddy and there 264 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:26.359 were no footprints, and there was even an old car 265 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:32.480 they saw that was driving through the woods, which shouldn't 266 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:35.880 have been driving through the woods, an older car, and 267 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:40.960 again it's just it wasn't there. They tried to track 268 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:43.880 it and it was like headed for the lake. They 269 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:45.559 went all the way down to the lake, and it 270 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.319 wasn't really a road you wanted to. It was more 271 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.799 of like a path, right, And he just he just 272 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:57.440 said a couple times things have been happening, like he's 273 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.440 kind of looking at stuff that wasn't really there or 274 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:09.039 maybe happened before. Just weird stuff, like mind boggling weird stuff. 275 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:11.640 And that's on the south end where I've been. I've 276 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.720 been down. There's some big houses there now, good luck. 277 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.920 I'd love to know what goes on. There's some very 278 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:24.720 big houses there now, but you can imagine years ago 279 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:32.200 was probably all dense woods with UFOs landing in it. Yeah, 280 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.960 So I would love to know anybody who there's a 281 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:41.359 lot of looks like summer cabins on the east side 282 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:46.279 that are now, you know, lived in year round. I 283 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:51.680 would love to hear from anybody who's vacationed at Glenmere 284 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:57.039 Lake or lives there there. I mean, these are just 285 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.119 the few things I've heard. I'm sure there has to 286 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:05.160 be a lot more going on that hasn't been reported. 287 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:07.519 Would it be too weird if we knocked on people's 288 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:08.279 doors and asked? 289 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:14.079 That wouldn't be the first time, would it. We've been there, 290 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:21.680 done that with, you know, with the murder cases and things. 291 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:25.880 But yeah, if you know anybody in from that area 292 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.000 or you spent the summer there, I'd love to you 293 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.319 know here it is a lake related place again. So 294 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.599 that's the UFOs and the lake part. I promised you 295 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.839 something else, But why don't we take our second break 296 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:45.839 and come back for the big Foot portion of tonight's program. 297 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:49.920 This is Hudson River Radio dot com, your local Rockland 298 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:50.720 County station. 299 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:04.720 This is Hudson River Radio dot com. Yeah, and welcome 300 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:08.960 back to the episode, which should be titled Lake's UFOs Encryptids. 301 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:16.759 Oh my, oh well, we can switch it. It's pretty 302 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:24.839 good though, Yeah, and high strangeness. But so, just this 303 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:32.119 past week I was interviewed for a film on Strange 304 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:34.359 Things in the Hudson Valley. I don't know why they 305 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:39.839 called me but don't imagine. One of the stories I told, 306 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:45.359 one of the cases I've investigated fits in very nicely 307 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:51.119 with tonight because it happened at dun Dun duh, Glenmure Lake. 308 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:57.400 So h we have lots of UFO stories from Glennmure. 309 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:01.839 We have weird things things happening on the south side. 310 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:06.799 And in eighteen eighty one, I think it was May 311 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:10.920 of eighty one. You know, we both love combing old 312 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:15.920 newspapers and archives. The smell of archives in the morning. Yes, 313 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:24.039 that old musty paper came across a couple of newspaper, 314 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:29.440 long detailed newspaper articles that in May of eighty one, 315 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:35.960 people's livestock started going missing. Dogs are going missing. And 316 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:40.839 somebody found a cave on the property of William Green. 317 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.920 I looked it up in the old Orange County maps 318 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:50.559 and found exactly where his farm was on the east 319 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:55.319 side of Glenmere Lake. And they found this cave and 320 00:22:55.400 --> 00:23:00.359 it had the bones of animals, goats or sheep been 321 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.400 there was a they said, a dog with its back broken, 322 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:10.160 which is horrible. But clearly something was taking animals and 323 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.799 eating them, all right, you would hope it wouldn't be 324 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:19.160 a person doing that, but you never know. So someone 325 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:23.079 was walking through the woods. This was an active farm, 326 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:27.000 but you know, there were wooded areas on this farm, 327 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:30.400 and he happened. He didn't realize. He was walking near 328 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:39.240 the cave, and apparently he came across a human like humanoid, 329 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:44.240 something tall and lots of shaggy hair covering its body. 330 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:48.720 He said, between seven and eight feet tall. He's terrified. 331 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:53.279 He looks at this thing and it apparently let out 332 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:57.400 this screaming shriek. That was one of the things people 333 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:02.319 were hearing at night, this strange sheep shriek through the woods. 334 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:06.599 So this thing screams at him. He passes out. He 335 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:11.039 is out by the time he woke up. Fortunately he 336 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:14.960 hadn't been eaten. He got up, he got out of there. 337 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:21.920 And then a couple of farm workers sat down for 338 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.799 lunch one day and they see something kind of stooped 339 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.160 over walking through the woods. They think it's an old 340 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.519 man or something like that, and one of them was 341 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.599 very nice. He says, hey, old men, you want you 342 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:40.119 want half my sandwich? You know, figures maybe it's somebody 343 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.240 down on their luck. And it gets closer and they're like, 344 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:49.079 oh crap, it's not human, and it looks at it 345 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:53.880 looks at them, They look at it, and here we go. 346 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.519 This is one of the things that makes me think 347 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:00.359 it wasn't an eight foot tall human. It gets down 348 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:07.240 on all fours and races back into the cave. Okay, 349 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.559 people tend not to drop down on all fours and 350 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:17.960 run very fast. Not generally, not generally Okay. There was 351 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:21.599 a great comment in one of the articles that said 352 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:28.440 people refused to to ride on Glenmere Road at night. 353 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:31.119 No one would go. It would even go on the 354 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:36.319 road during this time. And they said that it was 355 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:39.720 just the farm of William Green. They said Bill Green 356 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:44.359 couldn't sell his really good farmland for one cent an 357 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:50.599 acre at this point. So it's this is bad people 358 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:54.240 are the whole town is terrified. They won't go anywhere 359 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:59.519 near it. So enter iras Sebolt, who I looked up 360 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:04.119 and he was a person living in Orange County at 361 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:08.480 the time. I'd like to find descendants and we'll find 362 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:12.599 out in a moment why he was a hunter. And 363 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:17.599 one day he was on a canoe in the Glenmere 364 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.680 Lake and he figures, Ah, I've got my gun, let 365 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.799 me go hunting for this. They were calling him the 366 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.680 wild man of the rocks. That's so, you know, they 367 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:31.119 didn't have the Bigfoot term. So when you don't understand something, 368 00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:32.920 let's shoot it, right. 369 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.599 That was his the best option in these cases, I think, 370 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:38.519 or at least it seems to me that's what they think. 371 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.519 Yeah, but damn, what if it was some crazy old 372 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:46.079 person who just let his hair grow, right, I mean, 373 00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:50.680 and you're gonna go kill it. So he's sneaking up 374 00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:56.519 towards the cave area and he sees this black, shaggy 375 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:01.319 haired creature stretched out on the rock, sunning himself. Not 376 00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:06.160 not you know, hurting anybody, not threatening anybody. So he says, 377 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:10.880 he draws a bead on its head and fires, and 378 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.480 fortunately he missed. He said, the hair was so thick 379 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:20.039 and shaggy. He must have you know, miscalculated, but he 380 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.279 must have at least skinned it, because the poor thing 381 00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:30.880 screamed in pain and rage and ran back to its cave. 382 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:33.920 He went running up to the rocks, and there was 383 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:40.240 a big hunk of hair there. He must have, you know, 384 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.000 hit the head and tore off a big Who knows 385 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.039 if he damaged the skull or whatever, but in all 386 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.920 whatever damage, he caused. He caused a big chunk of 387 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.079 hair to be shot off the head of this poor creature. 388 00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:01.200 Said it was about eight inches long, black and course, 389 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:07.319 and they actually sent it to some scientist eighteen eighty one. 390 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.119 You know, you're not running DNA or anything. And the 391 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.119 best they were able to determine it was either human 392 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:21.599 or ape. Okay, not not nailing it down, you know, poorly, 393 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.119 but it was good because it wasn't a bear. 394 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.799 It wasn't just that was my thought that you know, 395 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.240 bears do tend to sometimes behave they do stand up, 396 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.839 They could be quite right menacing when they do, but 397 00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.319 then they run rapidly on all fours. 398 00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:42.599 Right right, Yeah, So that was a post So that's 399 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.880 great physical evidence. This doesn't happen to You don't often 400 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:52.000 shoot hair off of a big voel. So why I 401 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.599