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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Ball
Speaker 2: here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve rovera kind
Speaker 2: of running solo, but not really. Jay, as we all know,
Speaker 2: is said goodbye to the show except for Thursdays at
Speaker 2: Del Sol, but we'll let you know more about that later.
Speaker 2: I have my first guest host, friend of mine for
Speaker 2: a long time, Mike Quinn sometimes call her and what
Speaker 2: I'm looking for, Mike, you better write down these directions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and my hosts maybe in the future, don't You don't
Speaker 2: have to agree with me?
Speaker 3: In fact, like it.
Speaker 2: If you don't agree with me and you and I
Speaker 2: one of the reasons, if not the only reason, is
Speaker 2: you rarely agree with me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's like going, I very rarely
Speaker 2: agree with you anyway, one of those guys. It's like
Speaker 2: when I know you're, uh, you're you're one of these
Speaker 2: sports guys that deal with facts. I'm a sports guy
Speaker 2: that deals with the motion. Yeah, you are like J.
Speaker 2: You are like Jay, just the bigger J. Which is
Speaker 2: perfect because it was when we talked about this, I
Speaker 2: want I want to get confused by knowledge, right, so
Speaker 2: even better, so we'll have a good time. Uh. The
Speaker 2: back and forth is the best thing on the show,
Speaker 2: I think, and we've had it with Jay and and
Speaker 2: other people who have come in on the show. So
Speaker 2: just just so I want to give people the background.
Speaker 3: That you have.
Speaker 2: Obviously you have some sports. You played a little football
Speaker 2: back in the day. You uh tell me you played it.
Speaker 2: You were in California, right, So I grew up in
Speaker 2: southern California, Okay, and.
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta. It was pretty funny because uh,
Speaker 3: I get a uh, I.
Speaker 2: Get a call from my brother and he says, hey, uh, Michael,
Speaker 2: they got the uh the coach for army is at
Speaker 2: the high school and talk to I said, man, I
Speaker 2: don't want to go to the army and he goes, no,
Speaker 2: west Point and West Point you know that army.
Speaker 3: I'm like going.
Speaker 2: Okay, So next thing I knew, I was on my
Speaker 2: way to West Point, uh, because my dad wouldn't let
Speaker 2: me go anywhere else. Sause I was free, uh free
Speaker 2: to him, you know. Uh. But anyway, the uh, So
Speaker 2: I went to I went to Army, played football at
Speaker 2: Army until until.
Speaker 3: I got hurt. Was there during some lean times.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately Jim Young, who's a big deal here in Seusan.
Speaker 2: He uh he came out and fixed the Army football team.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I didn't get to play for him. He came
Speaker 2: in the last year, my senior year, but by then
Speaker 2: I'd blown out my shoulder and my knee.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and part of that you were also, as a fact, faculty,
Speaker 2: remember right you were there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I came back to well I could. The Army
Speaker 2: went around, ran around, played Army book. My wife and
Speaker 2: I graduated from West Boy and then we came here
Speaker 2: to uh to Universey, Arizona for a master's degree. I
Speaker 2: came here because of Sean Elliott. And you were lucky
Speaker 2: enough to meet me back then early nineties. Ear we played.
Speaker 2: We played softball together. Yes, turned you into a winner. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he turned turned me into a winter. It was like
Speaker 2: I I.
Speaker 3: Was a coach.
Speaker 2: I remember, I was a coach whenever whenever I whenever
Speaker 2: it was two outs and I needed a pop up.
Speaker 2: I would bring in Steve. He was always it was
Speaker 2: always good for a week ground out to second Mike.
Speaker 2: There's the door. Don't let it hit you in the ASD.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: We leave it already there those you disagree. You just
Speaker 2: can't bring up softball. Yeah, hell I brought you a championship. Hey,
Speaker 2: uh so okay, so there, but you helped. You helped
Speaker 2: internally at the football program, which which I like, because
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3: Tell me how so I went.
Speaker 2: I went to UH, went back to West Point and
Speaker 2: taught and then I taught there for many years.
Speaker 3: The UH they have a.
Speaker 2: Thing at West Point that they have officer representatives, so
Speaker 2: people on the faculty UH work with every sports team.
Speaker 2: So uh I was. I worked with the football team.
Speaker 4: UH.
Speaker 2: I was there for sixteen years UH and UH and
Speaker 2: and worked with them very closely on working with the
Speaker 2: players and everything that. So I talk about a lot
Speaker 2: about psychology, or try.
Speaker 3: To at least, and emotions and things like that.
Speaker 2: Did you and this is a wow ago maybe twenty
Speaker 2: thirty years ago, right, you did that that you worked
Speaker 2: in that capacity?
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 2: I was there till twenty sixteen. Also not too long
Speaker 2: not too long, not too long ago. And we know
Speaker 2: how athletes are today, at least I do. I think
Speaker 2: I do locally and otherwise. How it's a burden emotionally, psychologically.
Speaker 2: So it's a lot to deal with. Was it the
Speaker 2: same kind of issue at Army, because that's a different
Speaker 2: cat there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean it is a different cat.
Speaker 2: You are, you are, You've got all the responsibilities being
Speaker 2: a cadet. You know, you're doing all the military stuff
Speaker 2: that is that is there, You're going to all the
Speaker 2: classes that are there there, and then you're spending your
Speaker 2: time at football practice, right, it is.
Speaker 3: It is a lot. It is a lot for them to.
Speaker 2: Do, and they're different, and not to say it's a
Speaker 2: bad different, they're just different because they have major responsibilities
Speaker 2: with the Army for sure. The things that they have
Speaker 2: to do, I don't even know what word to use.
Speaker 2: And athletes here today have a lot to do too,
Speaker 2: you know, school Uh, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I'm assuming the NC is still
Speaker 2: gonna want to go to school.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: That may change though in the future. See, well that's
Speaker 2: that's the thing about Army is that you know at
Speaker 2: Army now, so since I left, there's have been a
Speaker 2: lot of changes. Obviously nil uh is one of them.
Speaker 2: The uh you know at Army there is no nil.
Speaker 2: I mean you're not you're you're not getting paid for
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh. The athletes that are there, some of them are
Speaker 2: the transfer portal. Some some are fine that are doing that.
Speaker 2: But there you know a lot of the a lot
Speaker 2: of the teams are looking for a different athlete than
Speaker 2: then you're gonna get a West Point.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Now they got to I tell you they got a
Speaker 2: great coach right now, Jeff Munkin.
Speaker 3: Uh he uh.
Speaker 2: He came in with the mindset all the other coaches.
Speaker 2: And I dealt with a lot of these different coaches,
Speaker 2: including Rich Ellerson who who who coached there for a
Speaker 2: while right before Jeff Bunkin. But I talked to a
Speaker 2: lot of them, and there was one thing is like, oh,
Speaker 2: we need to recruit a different type of athlete. We
Speaker 2: need We're not going to get the really good recruits.
Speaker 2: We're going to get the other recruits. Jeff Munkin said,
Speaker 2: forget that. I'm getting the good athletes. And so he's
Speaker 2: brought in some exceptional athletes, a lot of speed, but
Speaker 2: you don't get you know, you get a guy in
Speaker 2: there that has got a you know, he's got a
Speaker 2: really good GPA.
Speaker 3: He's running a really good forty.
Speaker 2: But you know, the kids five p ten, you know,
Speaker 2: and he's one hundred and sixty five pounds. He's running
Speaker 2: the option really really well. He's really scoring it up
Speaker 2: and that's not going to translate to big twelve.
Speaker 3: Right right.
Speaker 2: So, and in your capacity, I'm sure you had to
Speaker 2: deal with the emotional type of things, psychological kind of things,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, not so much my maybe my
Speaker 2: girlfriend's leaving me.
Speaker 3: Whatever, the day to day school.
Speaker 2: Ye do you think they're different there than they are
Speaker 2: here in terms of the person the problems they have.
Speaker 2: I don't think that they're different in terms of the
Speaker 2: problems that they have necessarily. I think that they have
Speaker 2: all the They have all the same pressures. I mean
Speaker 2: all you know, they all want to go out and
Speaker 2: they want to they want to get a date. They
Speaker 2: all want to go out and they want to, you know,
Speaker 2: do well in school.
Speaker 3: They want to.
Speaker 2: There's there's all sorts of outside pressures along the way.
Speaker 2: I think that there is a You're going to have
Speaker 2: to have a certain mindset to be at west Point
Speaker 2: that you're not going to get here. For example, I,
Speaker 2: you know, you talk to students here and you know
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I have great anxiety. You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's very tough for me to to do this or
Speaker 2: get out there. And I and I don't like to
Speaker 2: talk to other people. You're not going to be able
Speaker 2: to cut it at west Point. When when if you
Speaker 2: have something like that, it's just a it's a different attitude.
Speaker 2: You're going to stand up in front of you know, uh,
Speaker 2: platoon of soldiers and you're going to have to tell
Speaker 2: them what to do. So you can't have that anxiety.
Speaker 2: But we build a lot of confidence at west Point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Henry Matthew, you guys in the house today, So you're
Speaker 2: listening to this right so so and I've said this
Speaker 2: to you. I don't know, maybe not to both of you,
Speaker 2: but do you Henry into some of the people I
Speaker 2: talk to when I teach the journalism and this job
Speaker 2: is not a shy job. You can't be shy right
Speaker 2: now you're going out doing games? How is that?
Speaker 7: Because you can't be You've got to kind of take
Speaker 7: like become a new person almost and step out of
Speaker 7: your bubble and you can't step away from anything. You
Speaker 7: got to take everything that comes at you, right.
Speaker 2: I think I think you've come a long way too,
Speaker 2: I think in your time.
Speaker 7: Would you agree, Yeah, I think that's a big thing
Speaker 7: I've learned in the last year, even since I've started
Speaker 7: on this show. That's you got to be less shy,
Speaker 7: you got to be more open and.
Speaker 2: Right not not a lot of success comes from the
Speaker 2: shy or the past. Yeah, right, no, and then that's
Speaker 2: what you see at your player specifically. Well, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the thing about it. I mean, Harrison is great. It's
Speaker 2: like when you're thrown into the situation, you either do
Speaker 2: or you don't.
Speaker 3: You swim or you don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh so, and you know that that's the
Speaker 2: way it is a lot of at West Point, let
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And these students get that way too.
Speaker 2: I mean they'll they'll they'll graduate here and they'll go
Speaker 2: out there and they'll be in a room you know
Speaker 2: where they're gonn.
Speaker 3: I have to do well, I have to be out there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So Matthew, real quick too, because you played
Speaker 2: you played at a pretty good school in your athlete same
Speaker 2: for you too, I would assume and We talked about
Speaker 2: this in the car right going home.
Speaker 3: Uh, you can't just be halfway. You gotta have personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and not so much we're over the top, right,
Speaker 2: because that's that's not light.
Speaker 5: But you have to have a swagger team something exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 5: something that stacks out.
Speaker 2: And especially at a place like Arizona exactly if you're
Speaker 2: going to compete with teams like Arizona. Yeah yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: did you and you tried out, right, you tried out there?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, my my freshman year, my freshman year, yeah, position
Speaker 5: running back, oh yeah yeah, yeah, I was a little
Speaker 5: more stock here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't waked out, but yeah, that was a
Speaker 3: little more starking.
Speaker 2: Let's let's fat right way the same, It's just it
Speaker 2: was just put different.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I just lost a lot of weight, you know, because
Speaker 5: I stopped working on it. Sure, but yeah, freshman year,
Speaker 5: I tried out. It was like, what like four hundred
Speaker 5: of us and none of us made it so well, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was that was an experience. That was Jeff fishes
Speaker 5: first jetfish. Yeah we're one to eleven. Happened mid season. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I take the experience though, So it was that was cool.
Speaker 2: That's good, right, and it's also to you. You have
Speaker 2: to be that not pain in the neck, but you
Speaker 2: have to be vocal. You have to be out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, advocate for you. Yeah, you gotta display yourself.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 5: Can't be sad at a tryout, you know, you gotta
Speaker 5: go home or you know. Yeah, okay, cool. So this weekend,
Speaker 5: no losses, no wins. It's a good weekend.
Speaker 2: I heard, you know how in terms, I heard that
Speaker 2: this weekend all of these Arizona didn't lose.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, after the first time, it's funny and stuff,
Speaker 2: but yeah, after a while it's Yeah. So you go
Speaker 2: to the games. What have you noticed to the games?
Speaker 2: You've seen what I'll tell you. The first thing I
Speaker 2: noticed was that the stands were a lot more full
Speaker 2: than they've been in the past, which is a great one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's a great thing. I mean it's certainly
Speaker 2: something that we need. Yeah, I mean, if we're gonna
Speaker 2: try and you know, one, you know, build back the
Speaker 2: athletic department's budget. Uh, if we're going to try and
Speaker 2: compete with other teams in the Big twelve, Uh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna need a lot of fans sport and it seems
Speaker 2: up to now we've been getting a lot of fans support,
Speaker 2: which is which is really really good. So now they
Speaker 2: play Utah this weekend. We'll see how that goes. We
Speaker 2: as we get closer to the game, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: But if it doesn't go, well, you've been here a
Speaker 2: number of years now, right, what do you think?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, I I think that there's gonna be some uh,
Speaker 2: some people that are going to still have the you know,
Speaker 2: the hope with the new coach and everything like that,
Speaker 2: but uh, certainly is gonna dwindle off as people start
Speaker 2: thinking that, hey, we're not gonna you know, we're not
Speaker 2: going to meet the expectations that we had at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the season.
Speaker 3: And that's how fans are go there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're gonna they're gonna figure out how
Speaker 2: to spend their money, and they're gonna figure out how
Speaker 2: to spend their time. I mean, they just announced that
Speaker 2: Texas what is it the Texas head game?
Speaker 3: Is that eight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yikes, it's it's a Pac twelve after dark again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's different. Oh, we're gonna go to the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: We have better time slots. Well, actually, you're gonna have
Speaker 2: worse ones. Yeah, right, because if you go and you do,
Speaker 2: you'll get home about twelve thirty maybe if you're lucky. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be tough. You know how tough is it?
Speaker 2: Because you've been to a lot of those games? Where
Speaker 2: or did you stay?
Speaker 3: Well? Sometimes I stay.
Speaker 2: You know, my my wife goes to bed early, so
Speaker 2: it's like going. If she's there, we may not make
Speaker 2: it to the third quarter, but she does like to
Speaker 2: see the band, so we make it to halftime. The
Speaker 2: but you know, if I'm there, yeah, I've been there
Speaker 2: til the end. The you know, it clears out, depends
Speaker 2: on it depends on the score, depends on what's going on.
Speaker 2: The one thing I'm hoping to get these these guys
Speaker 2: on is the Zona Zoo has done a fantastic job
Speaker 2: two games in. I won't, you know, give them them
Speaker 2: a proper shure, Yeah, because you know it's it's a
Speaker 2: it's a sprint. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they've done well, Yeah, they have. I mean, I got
Speaker 2: a some kids here that are in the Zona Zoo
Speaker 2: and it's like they're loving it. They're spending time there.
Speaker 2: It's exciting. Uh So it's it's good. They actually limited
Speaker 2: I think they limited tickets. They used to just like
Speaker 2: everybody allowed to dot it, but I think they.
Speaker 3: You have to. There's a new system this year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, what is it you have to Last year
Speaker 7: it was just you had to have zonas do and
Speaker 7: share your cat card. But this year you have to
Speaker 7: reserve tickets like how you do in basketball.
Speaker 2: Okay, is there like a lottery for that? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? You have that right, yeah? So is
Speaker 2: there a certain allotment that you have to get in
Speaker 2: before that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Exactly, that is I don't know the exactly on like
Speaker 7: first come for Yeah, it goes out like a week before,
Speaker 7: like ten am the week before the game, and first come,
Speaker 7: first serve.
Speaker 3: Okay, good luck with that Colorado game. Exactly.
Speaker 2: You got a buddy years is gonna say, get a
Speaker 2: line quickly, get it line quickly?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: You okay? With a team so far?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, you know, Uh, obviously we'd like to be
Speaker 2: in a we'd like to be running a little better
Speaker 2: the uh. And I know we got Michael lev On
Speaker 2: on a little later, but and I want to ask
Speaker 2: him about this you everyone talks about and we talked
Speaker 2: about this with Fish when he came in here in
Speaker 2: lost Anau. It's like, you got to buy into the system. Okay,
Speaker 2: you got to the players have to buy into the system.
Speaker 2: We say that over and over again. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know the impact of that, but
Speaker 2: I do know that it is a different bringing in
Speaker 2: a new coach. There is going to be some you know,
Speaker 2: in you know, inconsistencies in the play. We'll see if
Speaker 2: they can pull it around. They're gonna have to really
Speaker 2: get some consistency on off. I know you're not a
Speaker 2: patient meant in real life, but you'll have to be
Speaker 2: in this.
Speaker 3: I guess I will. Yeah, Okay, Li limit my talk.
Speaker 3: You tease.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk to him about twelve minutes. Let's take the
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Eying the Ball here on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Rivera, who hosts here with
Speaker 2: me Mike Quinn. Mike how on the phone is Brush
Speaker 2: Ridge Christian football coach Kent Middleton.
Speaker 3: How are you.
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 3: How you guys doing?
Speaker 2: We're doing fine, coach? How are you You're doing pretty well?
Speaker 2: What's going on up there at push Ridge?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we we're playing decent football. We're three
Speaker 4: and one right now, and we're playing hard and you know,
Speaker 4: we got a tough conference. So our conference season is
Speaker 4: coming up here in two weeks and and uh uh
Speaker 4: you know, we're we're looking forward to that, but we
Speaker 4: know it's gonna be a great challenge. Our kids are
Speaker 4: playing well though, and then playing playing really hard.
Speaker 2: No, that's good that you've been there for four years
Speaker 2: as the head coach. How many years have you been there?
Speaker 4: This will this will be my fi This is my
Speaker 4: fifth year.
Speaker 2: This is your fifth year. Okay, So so I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you. I'm gonna go public my my my age
Speaker 2: of sixty. Mike Quinn is a little older than me. Uh,
Speaker 2: I know you're not a young dude, because I want
Speaker 2: to get your backstory in a second. But it's like
Speaker 2: you're you're doing your dream job because it took forever
Speaker 2: to get the job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I I really you know, at some
Speaker 4: point there, I wasn't really looking to be a head
Speaker 4: coach anymore, you know, And and I was just enjoying
Speaker 4: doing what I was doing to being an assistant coach,
Speaker 4: and and uh, you know, I get I get out
Speaker 4: of out of football and and and what I will
Speaker 4: what I like to get out of it just by
Speaker 4: being an assistant. But the opportunity came up, and and
Speaker 4: I certainly jumped at it, and and it's been a
Speaker 4: lot of fun, no doubt.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, could you explain to the listeners, I think you
Speaker 2: waited thirty two years for this to happen or I
Speaker 2: read somewhere that that was the case in two thousand.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, Yeah, So.
Speaker 4: I've been I've been an assistant coach, defensive coordinator and
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff at h at four
Speaker 4: different schools in Tucson, Katlan, Foothills, Ironwood Ridge, Mount View
Speaker 4: and and then of course at push Ridge Christian Academy,
Speaker 4: and and I just love it. I mean, it's a
Speaker 4: it's a passion, it's a calling. I you know, I
Speaker 4: think the Lord has called me to do this. And
Speaker 4: and but I, like I said, I really wasn't looking
Speaker 4: to to uh move up so much. You know, after
Speaker 4: the first twenty years, I think, you know, I kind
Speaker 4: of was like, you know, I don't I don't need
Speaker 4: to be a head coach. But I enjoyed being around
Speaker 4: the kids and being around the game of football, and
Speaker 4: and at push Ridge Christian, you know, uh, being able
Speaker 4: to celebrate Christ and what he's done in my life
Speaker 4: and what he what he does in other people's lives.
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, yeah, hey coach the uh uh, first off,
Speaker 2: thanks for doing what you're doing, because I tell you,
Speaker 2: you know, uh haven't played football myself. I know the
Speaker 2: impact that a coach can have at that level. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're doing great things by this kid, not
Speaker 2: just teaching them about football, but it looks like you're
Speaker 2: teaching them a lot about football. Uh.
Speaker 3: Seems like you got a pretty good running game. What
Speaker 3: kind of offense are you running up there?
Speaker 4: You know, you know, it's kind of it's kind of
Speaker 4: interesting because before the season started, you know, even into
Speaker 4: the summer, we were concerned about our running game because
Speaker 4: we had one of our running backs was had a
Speaker 4: hold hamstring the whole summer. We didn't know what we're
Speaker 4: gonna get out of him. And then we had another
Speaker 4: running back that we were we were hoping to get
Speaker 4: cleared by the AA to play, and we didn't know
Speaker 4: up until you know, the end of August or you know,
Speaker 4: the middle of August, whether that was gonna happen, and
Speaker 4: and it happened, so they cleared him and Blake Read
Speaker 4: and Sawyer Allen have done a great job. And our
Speaker 4: quarterback Jacob Newborn have have done a great job of
Speaker 4: running running the football. We've run it really well. Uh.
Speaker 4: They're talented young men and all very strong, and and
Speaker 4: our line has done a great job. I mean our
Speaker 4: line is is undersized, but they're tough and and gritty
Speaker 4: and and they get they get bodies on bodies and
Speaker 4: and we've been run run the football pretty pretty effectively.
Speaker 3: In addition to the age thing.
Speaker 2: Uh, and we know this because you're probably a competitor
Speaker 2: back in the day, the kids must keep you young.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, although I don't look it, but they they
Speaker 4: definitely keep you young. I'll tell you what. Kids today,
Speaker 4: You know, they're so uh they're so quick witted and
Speaker 4: and you know, if you if you get into a
Speaker 4: trash talk game with them, you better be ready to
Speaker 4: go because they can, uh they can get your pretty.
Speaker 3: Some of them keep you young, and some of a
Speaker 3: fast no.
Speaker 4: Doubt about that either, No doubt about that. Yeah, thats uh.
Speaker 3: Kids.
Speaker 4: Kids are great. I mean they're they're you know, they're
Speaker 4: they're bright, they're uh uh exploited, you know, they're they're
Speaker 4: just you know, they're at that age where they're learning
Speaker 4: a lot about life and they have a lot of
Speaker 4: opinions and and uh and they're very refreshing, no doubt
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: So Mike, and like we're talking about stuff like that
Speaker 2: in psychology of the sport and emotions of the of
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 3: You've been coaching a long time.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Uh, has has the philosophy of the kids changed
Speaker 2: much in your thirty some years? Uh? What nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: five ish, nineteen ninety two whatever it was done?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. My first year of coach was actually nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty nine, so you know, I go way back. But yeah,
Speaker 4: there's no doubt. I mean, kids, kids, did you know
Speaker 4: everybody talks about, you know, whether athletes were better back
Speaker 4: then or they're better today. You know, I think, you know,
Speaker 4: I think it's I think athletes are the same. I
Speaker 4: think they're trained better today. You know, get a lot
Speaker 4: of you gotta get a lot of athletes that's sports
Speaker 4: specific train now, which I think for shame, because I
Speaker 4: think playing all the sports you can, you know, up
Speaker 4: and through your high school years is real important to
Speaker 4: develop you know, all different towards all different uh parts
Speaker 4: of of an athlete. And you know, so uh and
Speaker 4: and they're just they're they're the athlete today now are
Speaker 4: exposed to so much more, you know, with the training
Speaker 4: and with the nutrition and with you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, uh a lot of them have their own
Speaker 4: little separate teams, you know, and with the nutritionist and
Speaker 4: with U exercise physiologists and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: So but at push Ridge, you know, uh, our kids
Speaker 4: are truly there to uh to celebrate their Christianity and
Speaker 4: their education first and and so that that's that's real nice.
Speaker 4: That that's real nice to be part of, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Give some some some other things out there. Do you
Speaker 2: have your athletes to encourage your athletes to do other sports?
Speaker 2: So do you have encourage them to just focus on
Speaker 2: one because I know back when we were on we
Speaker 2: played everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and our kids, our kids at push Ridge do
Speaker 4: they play everything. And we encourage that. I mean, I
Speaker 4: want to see you compete.
Speaker 3: Go out and compete.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very best training you can get. It is
Speaker 4: important you know for football players, I guess all athletes nowadays, oh,
Speaker 4: I know all athletes nowadays to you know, that's that
Speaker 4: you get in a good strength and conditioning program and
Speaker 4: you can do that and while you're playing other sports too.
Speaker 4: So we really encourage and most of a lot of
Speaker 4: our kids are three and two sport athletes because we're
Speaker 4: a small school. Three hundred, right, Yeah, you have to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: I tell you how they hate the uh, the coaches
Speaker 2: that say it's like you got to pick one or another.
Speaker 2: We had a kid, uh in the high school that
Speaker 2: I was near in New York, and a kid there
Speaker 2: was all state as a freshman in football and an
Speaker 2: all state and basketball, and his football coach said, you
Speaker 2: got to pick one.
Speaker 3: And I just can't. I couldn't believe that.
Speaker 4: You're you're doing a major disservice to a young athlete
Speaker 4: and a young person if you do that. I mean,
Speaker 4: you really are. I mean, this is the only time
Speaker 4: in your life where you can even think about playing
Speaker 4: three sports and or two sports and and having a
Speaker 4: great time with it and learning and and the coaches
Speaker 4: that that, you know, pressure kids to play one sport.
Speaker 4: I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't.
Speaker 2: That's great to know. And I know you become better
Speaker 2: competitors because they're doing it year round. Uh, and they're
Speaker 2: all very good. Let me ask you how does it
Speaker 2: having Lamar love It on the staff and and maybe
Speaker 2: having his son on on the team.
Speaker 4: You know, Lamar is uh, Lamar is a great man.
Speaker 4: He is a u It's awesome having him on staff.
Speaker 4: He he uh, you know, he's been on he's he's
Speaker 4: been on staff there since the school opened back in
Speaker 4: two thousand. So he's this is his twenty fourth season
Speaker 4: being a push Forridge Christian Academy and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: with his background and being a football player from the
Speaker 4: u of A and and uh, you know, he's obviously
Speaker 4: a uh, a very Christian man. He you know, he's
Speaker 4: been He's he's a no brainer. He's gonna be on
Speaker 4: your staff as long as he wants to be there.
Speaker 4: And with Elliott, you know, Elliott's really come into his
Speaker 4: own this year. And you know, he had two other
Speaker 4: boys that played in the program, and so it's kind
Speaker 4: of a a routine thing to have to have a
Speaker 4: love It out there and and Lamar certainly does a
Speaker 4: great job.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nice, nice, Hey the so uh get getting back to
Speaker 2: your your future here, Okay, I mean you're doing good
Speaker 2: up to now. You got you got two weeks of
Speaker 2: SaberCats in front of you. Uh and uh, I know
Speaker 2: you're I know, you got one one game coming up here,
Speaker 2: but then you jump into the season and I know
Speaker 2: you don't want to look past that, but uh, Sabino
Speaker 2: should be a little tough.
Speaker 4: Well, Sabino is always tough because they're very talented and
Speaker 4: and they do things well and and uh football, football
Speaker 4: is very important to them and uh so they're they're
Speaker 4: always you know, top of the line. Uh, but really
Speaker 4: be honest with y'all, as I'm thinking about right now,
Speaker 4: santan Fu Hills. You know, we want to get that
Speaker 4: one under our belt. And certainly, you know, we know
Speaker 4: Sabino's lurking in the background, and our whole conference is
Speaker 4: lurking in the background. Yeah. So uh and we got
Speaker 4: you know, we got the toughest three A conference in
Speaker 4: the state. Every team in our conference last year made
Speaker 4: the playoffs and that's you know, that's really unheard of.
Speaker 4: So you know, we got we got a lot of
Speaker 4: work to do before that. But you know, certainly, uh,
Speaker 4: uh you know Sabino.
Speaker 2: We we know all about Sabino, no doubt, did you
Speaker 2: I know we talked about this in terms of waiting
Speaker 2: a long time to become the head coach at some
Speaker 2: point along the way, do you kind of wish that
Speaker 2: you had done it before, to try to make that
Speaker 2: leap as a head coaches?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think yeah, you know, I mean
Speaker 4: I think things work out for a reason. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a plan and and so like I said, after,
Speaker 4: you know, after a while, it was wasn't that important
Speaker 4: for me anymore. Uh, there was a time where I
Speaker 4: really wanted to be because you have you know, when
Speaker 4: you're younger, you have so much energy and and and
Speaker 4: you know, you think it's a double edged swords. You
Speaker 4: think like a young person, which is you know, energetic
Speaker 4: and all a lot of ideas and and uh, you
Speaker 4: know the stuff that you really want to do. But
Speaker 4: you know, with age comes wisdom and and you look
Speaker 4: back and you say, well, you know, if I had
Speaker 4: tried to done some of that stuff, maybe it wouldn't
Speaker 4: work now. And and so I think, you know, I
Speaker 4: think I got I got the position. I got uh
Speaker 4: at the right time.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 4: And I mean I know, I'll say what I've learned
Speaker 4: that there's some great, great, great coaches, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame coaches here in the city of the
Speaker 4: state and uh certainly. Uh, They've had a great effect
Speaker 4: on me. So you know, I've been blessed, no doubt
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have the age. The wisdom is still yet
Speaker 2: to come through the door. Sorry to say, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm a patient man for this. Uh real quick. You
Speaker 2: were you were a hockey guy, ice cap guy. Uh
Speaker 2: back in the day. How does that translate to football
Speaker 2: or or does it he just kind of universal as
Speaker 2: a coach or tell me how that situation is.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, football and in hockey are very similar,
Speaker 4: uh in the fact that their collision sports. Uh, the
Speaker 4: intensity level is is tremendous. Uh. The locker rooms a
Speaker 4: lot of the same. Uh with the intensity and and
Speaker 4: the fact that you know you're you're going out there
Speaker 4: and the object is to hit other people. And you
Speaker 4: know that that that's rare in sports. So uh uh
Speaker 4: so so they they you know that that's a great
Speaker 4: trade off there. Uh. I played I played hockey for
Speaker 4: a long time, uh and loved it. It's the sport
Speaker 4: I exceled at the most. And and and uh you know, certainly,
Speaker 4: the the mentality that you have to be a hockey player,
Speaker 4: you have to have the same to be a football player.
Speaker 4: And uh, I mean those are great times back then.
Speaker 4: And but but you know, I say back then, it's
Speaker 4: really getting to be back then.
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 2: Hey, so, uh you mentioned your undersized line. Those guys
Speaker 2: must be crazy getting at it then. I mean, if
Speaker 2: they're if they're making goals, for these guys, they got
Speaker 2: to be uh you got to be really excited about
Speaker 2: their intensity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, their intensity is fantastic. I mean they're number one,
Speaker 4: they're really good athletes. Okay, so they're they're really good athletes.
Speaker 4: They move real well, they got great agility, and they're strong.
Speaker 4: They spend a lot of time in the weight room.
Speaker 4: So we may not be the biggest team, but you
Speaker 4: know we got we got good athleticism and and and
Speaker 4: and then I'll tell you what the biggest part of
Speaker 4: it is their tough nose. You know, they'll they'll they'll
Speaker 4: they'll put a face mask onya and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: whether you know how much Google will we get you know,
Speaker 4: will depend on on uh, you know, getting help and
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. But I'll sell you what.
Speaker 4: They're tough. They're very very tough, and and all of
Speaker 4: them are fantastic. I mean, our center is Patrick Coyle,
Speaker 4: and our guards are well, our tackles are Aaron Kenworthy
Speaker 4: and and Charles Palmer. And our guards are Tyler Chouf
Speaker 4: and Noah Morris and so they, you know, they they
Speaker 4: really have done a great job this year.
Speaker 3: How many of those guys are you know, we do
Speaker 3: we we.
Speaker 4: Do throw the ball quite a bit too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you do it pretty well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah at times, you know, we that's
Speaker 4: one area that we really want to get better at. Uh,
Speaker 4: we really want to improve and and and and you
Speaker 4: know as the season goes on, is is get that
Speaker 4: part of our game really clicking? And and you know,
Speaker 4: you know I mean that that that would really benefit
Speaker 4: us a lot. But those guys up front, they do
Speaker 4: a great job and and uh you know, they keep
Speaker 4: our quarterback safe and they open holes for our guys.
Speaker 4: So that's all you can ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah to Kent Middleton, the head coach at the Push
Speaker 2: Ridge Christian, maybe one more quick question, So of the
Speaker 2: front line, how many of those kids are wrestlers? Because
Speaker 2: in my in my mind, those those kids are tough
Speaker 2: as nails and and you can't get past those guys.
Speaker 4: You know, we don't have any wrestlers we don't have
Speaker 4: wrestling at the school. Oh okay, well, but I'll tell
Speaker 4: you what we got. We've got a couple of guys
Speaker 4: that will make great marines, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Outstanding, very deatated. What about track? What about track? Do
Speaker 3: they do track?
Speaker 4: You got a lot of track?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Almost all of our football players participate in track. Our
Speaker 4: our associate head coach is the head track coach. So
Speaker 4: we try to get all the players we can in
Speaker 4: the track, you know, or baseball, whatever, as long as
Speaker 4: they participate in this sport. But a lot to do
Speaker 4: participate in track, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, coach, we appreciate your time. Good luck the
Speaker 2: rest of the way. Yeah, thanks, coach, appreciate.
Speaker 4: It all right, guys, I appreciate it. Appreciate all you
Speaker 4: do for high school sports.
Speaker 2: And and hang in there, right, thank you, Ken, appreciate it,
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Speaker 2: Uh push Ridge his way up in my area, but
Speaker 2: way up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's up near you know, uh,
Speaker 2: North and Oracle. Yeah, that's a that's why they're good,
Speaker 2: good plays. I mean, it's a it's a neat school.
Speaker 2: I think what he did was he hit it on
Speaker 2: the head where if you're a small school, you have
Speaker 2: you need everybody playing yeah yeah, you know every sport
Speaker 2: yeah kid, Yeah, and you get everyone together, you know that,
Speaker 2: you build a lot of cohesiveness, which is important for
Speaker 2: a team.
Speaker 3: And most of the time those kids grew up together.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, a lot of them, so you know,
Speaker 2: and it's it's a Christian academy, so you can kind
Speaker 2: of quasi recruit, I guess, you know, you you encourage
Speaker 2: people to attend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a uh that's a good school.
Speaker 2: I mean, it really is. Can't say enough good things
Speaker 2: about it. And I'll tell you what. The fact that
Speaker 2: he is you know, you know, I just I just
Speaker 2: met him here. But he is really interested in the
Speaker 2: kids and their development and the fact that they do well.
Speaker 2: And you know, I see, like I said, I see
Speaker 2: these coaches that are out there. It's like you're not
Speaker 2: playing another sport, You're playing my sport.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like they don't even care if they go to school.
Speaker 2: They just want them to be good in football. He
Speaker 2: wants them to be developed and uh and that's exceptional. Yeah, okay, cool,
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Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I I heard I heard a statistic that there were
Speaker 2: of the own two teams is this week the oh
Speaker 2: and two teams were six and one this week in
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Speaker 2: it goes to show it really is any given Sunday.
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Speaker 2: You know. Wilbon, Michael Wilbon was talking about all about
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Speaker 3: Like yeah Orleans. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and then the Buccaneers, Yeah, you know, you get
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Speaker 2: I've been Taylor Swift. Yeah, he is also like thirty six.
Speaker 2: He was throwing thirty five thirty five last year. I
Speaker 2: mean it's you know, it's not like you know, yeah
Speaker 2: he jumped too great. Come on, you whipper snuffers, your
Speaker 2: young guys.
Speaker 3: I haven't fantasy too. Oh yeah, I'm suffering. He's just
Speaker 3: not catching.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not going to one when they're they're
Speaker 2: covering him like crazy, okay, uh and opening it, which
Speaker 2: is opening and Mahomes is not doing that well right,
Speaker 2: he's not. He seems to be uh guess and guess
Speaker 2: what the three you know, yeah, they are three and O.
Speaker 2: That's thing about it. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 2: will say that that's because of the refs. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: they did get a favorable call yesterday. They did get
Speaker 2: a pretty favorable call yesterday. I don't ye know, would
Speaker 2: have made a difference.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have given him Mahomes plenty of time
Speaker 2: to go take the ball down the field, right, and
Speaker 2: we all know how that ends up, right. Well, So
Speaker 2: in the next hour we're gonna have Michael lev talking
Speaker 2: about UA sports, all things u A sports. He I
Speaker 2: think he went to the press conference today with with
Speaker 2: Brennan to see how that is. So we're kind of
Speaker 2: reserving our thoughts on that right now, but if you
Speaker 2: like to call and talk about it, please do. Maybe
Speaker 2: in depact I'll just say that and then and then
Speaker 2: mess with it. What are you hoping to see? Because
Speaker 2: you probably be there, you'll not be there in two weeks,
Speaker 2: but you won't be there this this weekend. What are
Speaker 2: you hoping to see? Because they're like a ten point dog,
Speaker 2: not a lot of hope. Uh So, yeah, so Utah
Speaker 2: looked pretty good. You know, they always look they always
Speaker 2: look really good. I think that what I'd like to see,
Speaker 2: really is better defensive line play. I mean, if we
Speaker 2: go in there and we're able to really come up
Speaker 2: on on the defensive line and uh and shut down
Speaker 2: some of the run, I think he gives us a
Speaker 2: pretty good, pretty good chance of having it being a
Speaker 2: competitive game. But I'm concerned that, you know, Utah comes in,
Speaker 2: We're not gonna surprise him what we did last year. Uh,
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna come in and be uh try
Speaker 2: and be all over us from the very beginning, especially
Speaker 2: there they look pretty good against Oklahoma State. So uh,
Speaker 2: I'd like to see our our defense really come up
Speaker 2: and step up and play. We'll see how We'll see
Speaker 2: how that goes. Yeah, Okay, I've talked about this very little,
Speaker 2: but we have a pretty good deal here with when
Speaker 2: Jake comes back, he'll be here with me once a month.
Speaker 2: Every Thursday, we go down there to Casino del Sol
Speaker 2: and and we're excited obviously get a good, big sponsor
Speaker 2: and so we have some things every Monday.
Speaker 3: Enjoy get invited.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't even know who you are on
Speaker 2: Thursdays and can come and support us A buy you
Speaker 2: margarita for five bucks even get a drink.
Speaker 3: That's what I buy. I get water water. I go
Speaker 3: out and break you divas, you divas and you and the.
Speaker 5: Break.
Speaker 3: I get to go and get a water. I known this.
Speaker 2: You never would have come into the everybody enjoy five dollars.
Speaker 2: Margarita is made with fresh squeeze, lime juice, Gabi syrup,
Speaker 2: and legal mescal. That's gonna be on Mondays at at
Speaker 2: Del Soul and uh bliss the most seasonal selections. Pretty
Speaker 2: pair were caught up filled Rabbioli.
Speaker 3: What was that word? I said? Do you remember while that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: That was oh yeah, what was on?
Speaker 2: Instead of one? It's one disregard That was so funny. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not I'm not, I'm not known. That's
Speaker 2: a good story. One disregardsgard. So we'll get to more
Speaker 2: of this, uh and later in the show about stuff
Speaker 2: that we're gonna be doing it though, so we can't wait.
Speaker 2: We're hoping to get there Thursday, but I don't think
Speaker 2: we're going to do that this Thursday. We'll see, Well, okay,
Speaker 2: anything with you guys, you guys uh excited not excited
Speaker 2: for you a football because you guys, you guys kind
Speaker 2: of don't care.
Speaker 3: Or do you that's disrespectful. I care. It's there school,
Speaker 3: Yeah year here, of course I care. You you Uh don't.
Speaker 3: You've been on the show enough to know that. I
Speaker 3: I know you don't care. Yeah, tell me how you care.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to, you know, Big twelve Championship. I'm trying to.
Speaker 7: Expectations are high, and I don't want to go out
Speaker 7: with such a bad season. But I mean no, I
Speaker 7: mean I knew coming into the season this team wasn't
Speaker 7: gonna be as good as last season. But because of
Speaker 7: losing so many players to the NFL, that's and coaching
Speaker 7: Brennan was a mystery. He still kind of is a.
Speaker 3: Mystery, right right, Yeah, no question.
Speaker 2: And I was gonna ask coach camp to Middleton, Uh,
Speaker 2: maybe you guys too, and Mett and Mike because we
Speaker 2: haven't really talked about it because they're talking about with
Speaker 2: Jay uh at some When you have a head coach,
Speaker 2: whether he's a good guy, about a guy whatever, you
Speaker 2: need no matter what he is.
Speaker 3: You need a guy to be kind of a pain in.
Speaker 2: The ass to be a good coach, to be a
Speaker 2: good coach because when the players play hard for you,
Speaker 2: they respect the hell out of you. If you're not
Speaker 2: that coach, you don't get And I'll say this, and
Speaker 2: he's a friend of mine, a good friend, Steve Lavin,
Speaker 2: who he's a good dude.
Speaker 3: He's a good dude.
Speaker 2: Now maybe a basketball guy, but he's a really good dude. Right,
Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to be a jerk. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know that's the thing about it, you know, you
Speaker 2: do you know you hear all these things. Always a
Speaker 2: player's coach. Yeah, players coach, And it's like going, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, if if I was playing, I'd like to
Speaker 2: have a player's coach. Okay, if I'm a fan that
Speaker 2: it wants to win, it's like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: players coach. You need a coach. What you need is
Speaker 2: a coach that is into attention to detail. Okay, you
Speaker 2: can't make mistakes. You're not fumbling the ball, you're not
Speaker 2: getting off side penalties, you're not making the little missay,
Speaker 2: you're not doing I mean, we get personal personal fouls.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you know that's that's just uh poise. Yeah, uh, Matthew,
Speaker 2: Because you've you played the game and you have coaches.
Speaker 2: Uh you know what I'm asking right, Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: coaches have to be national leaders at least.
Speaker 3: To be a good coach, you gotta be a leader.
Speaker 3: But the type of personality, I don't want to say,
Speaker 3: you got to have like a.
Speaker 5: A dictatorship kind of, but the players got to have
Speaker 5: like respect and fear you a little, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's number one in terms of being
Speaker 3: a good coach.
Speaker 5: I fear not in a bad way exactly, not in
Speaker 5: a bad way, like you know, but would you make
Speaker 5: that play? Yeah, if you, if you, if you, like
Speaker 5: you said, if you make that penalty, you know what's
Speaker 5: gonna you know, the consequences that are gonna come with
Speaker 5: this place. So I feel like, yeah, just just again
Speaker 5: again being a leader, being being a uh So, let
Speaker 5: me ask you when you played, what type of coach
Speaker 5: did you have at Oh? Well, I was gonna say
Speaker 5: something that wasn't very uh air friendly.
Speaker 4: But I.
Speaker 5: Have multiple coaches. But I had coaches that I'll say
Speaker 5: looked after players, if that makes sense, looked they cared
Speaker 5: for the personal like they wanted the players to go out,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense, to the next level. But then
Speaker 5: I also had coaches that were more so paid a play,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense. Because I went to like a
Speaker 5: I don't want to see in a wealthy school or
Speaker 5: like a wealthy neighborhood. But kids, some of the kids
Speaker 5: that were playing, their parents were like boosters or whatever.
Speaker 3: They were playing right right, right, right exactly. You see that.
Speaker 3: That's not a good coach. It's not a good coach.
Speaker 3: That's not a good CoA. So did you have one
Speaker 3: of those painting that coach?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't you work your ass out for them?
Speaker 5: Running run your You know, I worked as hard as
Speaker 5: I could have worked, and still my sophomore year did
Speaker 5: not start.
Speaker 2: So because of the situation you're talking before. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: that's not whether that's right or wrong, that's not right
Speaker 2: at all. No, And you might didn't do well. You
Speaker 2: probably didn't do well as a team.
Speaker 3: No, that's the thing we will do. We will do well,
Speaker 3: but then playoff.
Speaker 5: Comes and then we lose like the first game or
Speaker 5: you know, we don't go deep into the playoffs like
Speaker 5: people expect us to do like regular season, will win
Speaker 5: all these games, look amazing, and then playoff comes and
Speaker 5: then this disappointment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, paper tiger, right exactly, Yeah, yeah, you just I mean,
Speaker 2: you do have to have a situation where if you
Speaker 2: were gonna you FuMB of the ball, you're out. Okay, right,
Speaker 2: you're gonna, but not to the point of you're looking
Speaker 2: over your shoulder every time you do.
Speaker 3: No, No, you don't want to do that. Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean there's coaches that are like any mistake, you know,
Speaker 2: we're subbing somebody else in.
Speaker 3: But you got to.
Speaker 2: You got to understand that, you know, the coaches are
Speaker 2: disappointed in you. You know those things like you know,
Speaker 2: it's like going you get that look from your dad
Speaker 2: that is just like going, come on, That's exactly it.
Speaker 5: It matters, right, Like as a player, you got to
Speaker 5: know like if you mess up, next man up. You know, right,
Speaker 5: you don't want to have this secure spot or.
Speaker 3: To that point.
Speaker 2: We don't know the situation with Brendan No, you know
Speaker 2: everyone you don't want to complain is the lays and
Speaker 2: the clapping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the clapping, you know you and you want that.
Speaker 2: You want the clapping, you want encouragement. But what happens
Speaker 2: when things go back the penalties? Yeah, well you know,
Speaker 2: and that's that's the thing about it. I mean, you
Speaker 2: know you look back, uh guy, that guy that was
Speaker 2: here from any here, Dick Tomy Okay, Dick Tomy, you know,
Speaker 2: you know what he did on the sidelines.
Speaker 3: Did he sat there and clapped? Okay? Would he wear
Speaker 3: a l A? He'd probably wear a A. It wouldn't
Speaker 3: really matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if somebody wanted to, if some his starting quarterbacks
Speaker 2: mom or grandmother, right, uh, gave him, gave a laid,
Speaker 2: he'd wear the LA. But it's like he sits back
Speaker 2: and he claps, and that's what he does. And that's fine.
Speaker 2: You can manage it any different way as a head coach,
Speaker 2: you know, Nick Saban not that way. Okay, but there's ways.
Speaker 2: There's successful people both ways. I met that concerned about
Speaker 2: the fact that he's standing on the side of without
Speaker 2: a headset and clapping and leaving it up to his coaches.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's one of those things that proof is in the pudding. Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell him about his style. I
Speaker 2: don't care about his style. I care about his record,
Speaker 2: his results.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you know, you know when.
Speaker 2: Finish cat here, Okay, you didn't start out like gang
Speaker 2: Busters to begin with. We had high expectations going into
Speaker 2: that season and we didn't start and we didn't do
Speaker 2: much at all. Yeah, we really won a couple of games.
Speaker 2: So it's like going and he turned it around. And
Speaker 2: again it's one of those things that I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to talking to Michael about.
Speaker 3: Uh you know what his thoughts are on you know,
Speaker 3: turnover on coaches.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, did you when you went out to
Speaker 2: play two three years ago you knew that what you
Speaker 2: were getting into, right and maybe the coach.
Speaker 3: Did you get a feel for how they were? Yeah?
Speaker 5: When I try it out, I felt like, again, they
Speaker 5: just did it just to do it. There was there
Speaker 5: was no point of it. Maybe to get the other
Speaker 5: guys attention. Yeah, yeah, something some but I don't feel
Speaker 5: like they went into that tryout looking for players if
Speaker 5: I'm being honest, or looking to add depth to their
Speaker 5: you know team.
Speaker 3: Definitely not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, Yeah that was world. Maybe it was one
Speaker 2: of those things where it's like, hey, just find somebody. No,
Speaker 2: there's no question about that. But what I'm not saying
Speaker 2: they didn't even want that. There was kind of like
Speaker 2: a dog and pony show or whatever, but something that's like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're interested in the student body.
Speaker 3: Or no, you guys, this is how this is how
Speaker 3: bad we are.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go get some other guys to replace you, right, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: knowing they were gonna get anybody exactly right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're good to go. Okay, let's take a break
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