1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: You probably didn't take all the time you need in 2 00:00:03,759 --> 00:00:05,839 between each round to bring it completely back down to 3 00:00:05,879 --> 00:00:08,279 a cold bore. What you really need is something that 4 00:00:08,279 --> 00:00:11,519 if you zeroed to your fifth or tenth shot, that 5 00:00:11,599 --> 00:00:13,759 means you're actually set up for your fifth or ten shot. 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,160 If your barrel walked, you may not be zeroed anymore. 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,800 So guaranteeing you're going to get cold bar performance across 8 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:25,719 you know, the multiple rounds. Make sure that you know 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,960 that you have a lightweight barrel, so you're not you know, 10 00:00:28,039 --> 00:00:31,239 humping in a honk and steel you know, heemoth out there, 11 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:33,320 but you're also going to be able to head exactly 12 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:34,079 where you want it to hit. 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,079 Speaker 2: But that's a good point, like you maybe actually cited 14 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:41,000 in for your tenth round. And obviously that deer, that elk, 15 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:44,079 this is a cold boar. You weren't shooting ten rounds 16 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:44,960 before you walked. 17 00:00:44,679 --> 00:00:46,679 Speaker 1: Out exactly, You're not keeping a heater in the boar 18 00:00:46,799 --> 00:00:47,960 before you get out there into this. 19 00:00:48,320 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: Different I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntognation. Guntognation 20 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:13,319 is brought to you by Ruger Silence are Central, MTM, 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:19,400 case Guard and ARCon Firearms. Hey, welcome in a guntgnation. 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,040 Today a gun tognation. We're gonna get a little bit 23 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:26,640 science y, a little bit engineering stick, so stick with us. 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,879 Some of you guys will love this because you know 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,359 it's like the how it's made of gun things. So 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,879 today on the show a company that you may not 27 00:01:35,159 --> 00:01:37,640 be familiar with, but you will be after this Avient, 28 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:43,400 and we've got Eves Cordo. Welcome in man Eves I 29 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,200 was we always try to explain Avient because you guys 30 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,799 work with a lot of companies in the gun industry 31 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:54,400 and the outdoor industry, but you're like this this name 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,439 that people don't know. You're like under the radar. 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,799 Speaker 1: Correct, yeh, BYTHERI, thanks for having me on. 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:01:59,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 35 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:04,719 Speaker 1: So Avient is a multi billion dollar, you know, publicly 36 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,319 traded multinational company headquartered in Avon Lake, Ohio. We are 37 00:02:09,439 --> 00:02:12,680 in a ton of industries and people touch our products 38 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:17,919 throughout the day, you know, every day, so we're so 39 00:02:18,159 --> 00:02:19,800 we're business to business, so you don't see us to 40 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:24,919 your point, anything from say the squishy part on the toothbrush, 41 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:26,719 you know when you're touching Neo. I have soft touch 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,400 materials that are in tons of different applications to components 43 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:35,560 in shoes, athletic wear, medical equipment a very prevalent. There 44 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:38,800 a lot in automotive as well. We're also one of 45 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,960 the world's largest colorance companies. We have additives, inks, et 46 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:45,159 cetera that we provide so you can either see us 47 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,680 or touch us on a regular basis, anything from high 48 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:51,639 performance phone cases to even shooting sports and outdoor high 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:52,280 performance gear. 50 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: And the materials part of it is interesting because Yeah, 51 00:02:57,439 --> 00:02:59,000 I like what you said earlier to say, you know, 52 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:03,840 with out material science and engineers, we'd still be making 53 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:08,319 everything out of wood or metal or or I don't 54 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:09,400 know what the left. 55 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:11,479 Speaker 1: The joke we say is you know wood steal in concrete, 56 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:14,199 ye'd be what the world is made out of. Yeah, 57 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:17,240 you know, advances in material science has led to so 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,080 many different advances in society. You know, it's not just 59 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,520 that you can make something smaller faster, it's how do 60 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:23,919 you do it where it's not going to fall apart. 61 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:26,120 So you have to get the right plastics. As soon 62 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,159 as we started transitioning to more plastics in cars, they 63 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:32,680 start while the cars started crumpling in collisions. It wasn't 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,159 like a big steel box where you crumple in the collision, 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,599 so they became safer, lighter weight, more fuel efficient, things 66 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:41,000 like that. So it takes materials along with the people 67 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,759 who are developing the rest of the systems as well. 68 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: It's really interesting because yeah, you say, well, I want 69 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:49,599 this to hold a color, or I want this to 70 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,400 crumple but not crack. I want this to heat up 71 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:57,080 fast or not heat up fast, and I want it 72 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,919 to be strong. But also, I mean, there's all these 73 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,199 things that we kind of take for granted, especially gun 74 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,439 hus These are things that we talk about all the time. 75 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,080 Oh you got real hot, or it hit heated up 76 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:12,639 or it didn't heat up, or you know, there's times 77 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:14,319 when you want it super ridge and there's times you 78 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,519 need stuff to flex, and you guys are like this 79 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:19,199 secret sauce behind. 80 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:21,439 Speaker 1: All of that in many applications. 81 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: I know we're going to talk about some of the 82 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,199 new the barrel technology stuff. Are there other areas in 83 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,639 the outdoor space that people may be familiar with which 84 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:32,079 you guys do one hundred percent. 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,319 Speaker 1: I mean, we are very prevalent in archery. Gordon glass 86 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:40,839 is the material behind most compound bows, so you see 87 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,800 those in many brands, including the carbon components that can 88 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,360 go into cable guards, even the dynamo that's used in 89 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,920 bow strings as well, systems like. 90 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,199 Speaker 2: That dynama I'm thinking of fishing, fishing line. 91 00:04:53,319 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: It's in a lot of industries, but yes, and lightweight 92 00:04:56,399 --> 00:04:58,720 body armor. Oh yeah, so light it floats on water. 93 00:04:58,879 --> 00:04:59,959 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yep. 94 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,079 Speaker 1: Many different applications of that material as well, and that's 95 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:07,639 under the Avient name, okay, And so yeah, we also 96 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,079 are prevalent in outdoor high performance gear, including you know, 97 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,399 act power sports, so you'll see us in those systems 98 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:18,680 as well, and a lot of adventure gear, you know, 99 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:23,279 very lightweight, high strength climbing gear, packs, things like that. 100 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:28,879 Speaker 2: So you guys brought out a new I mean, I 101 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:31,000 guess I'm gonna call it a new carbon fiber barrel. 102 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:33,079 There's probably a different way to say this, but a 103 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,959 new technology when it comes to carbon. 104 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: Fiber barrels, it's novel in the sense of we have 105 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,160 introduced a new layer to the carbon fiber wrapped barrels 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,040 on traditional There are many ways of doing carbon fiber 107 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,519 wrap barrels that are out there today, but the traditional 108 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,920 way one would think of is you have a steel barrel. 109 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,439 It's reduced in size, turned down to a smaller barrel, 110 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,959 and then you put carbon fiber on top of it. 111 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,519 Carbon fiber, we're talking about lightweight, high strength. You want 112 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,040 higher G on a barrel, right, So that's where you 113 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:04,639 get that benefit from carbon fiber, which is there's a 114 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,920 reason it's used in airplanes and helicopters, all sorts of things. 115 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,560 So they put the carbon fiber directly onto the steel, 116 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,079 or some people leave an air gap between the steel 117 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,720 and the carbon. Put the whole system together, and that's 118 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:18,759 your finished product. 119 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: For those of us who are just dumbass trigger pullers, 120 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,879 if they want something to be lighter and they have 121 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:29,360 this steel sleeve, the steel barrel and they wrap in 122 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:31,639 carbon fiber, why don't you just leave the carbon fiber 123 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,759 off and just have a pencil thin barrel. 124 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,879 Speaker 1: Oh, you're not going to get any stiffness. I mean, 125 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,040 your barrel's gonna whip around. You know, anybody who's no accuracy, 126 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,720 it's exactly exactly and sustained accuracy, overshooting, whatever small changes 127 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,480 you're going to get as the barrel heats up, you're 128 00:06:47,519 --> 00:06:51,040 gonna start walking that in different directions. So what we 129 00:06:51,079 --> 00:06:53,040 did at Avient is we did something that we call 130 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,600 reverse benchmarking, so benchmarking to make a me too product. Right, 131 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,360 somebody makes it, we want to make it too them. 132 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,040 Find out what they do well and do it as well. 133 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,160 We did reverse benchmarking, which said, let's go and find 134 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,000 out what's in the industry today, what exists, how do 135 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,800 they do it now, Let's find out what the gaps are, 136 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:13,319 what are the challenges. The number one that we found 137 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,480 was retention of heat in the bore of the barrel. 138 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:18,879 So Avian set out to create a new system and 139 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,800 we actually had to develop new materials in order to 140 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:22,920 do it. Really that actually drew the heat out of 141 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:23,600 the bore of the barrel. 142 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:27,959 Speaker 2: So carbon fiber barrels, I mean all barrels heat up. 143 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:33,920 Carbon fibers is also heats up. How does carbon fiber 144 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,000 heat up compared to a like a regular steel barrel. 145 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:40,199 Speaker 1: So it's interesting because carbon fiber in the light like 146 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,759 a long and actual filament of fiber, you can conduct 147 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:46,639 that heat very well straightforward through the fiber. However, when 148 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:48,720 you wrap it around a barrel, you're actually going in 149 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,639 a transverse plane. You can actually insulate the system unless 150 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:55,920 you because it's typically made with epoxys or other resins. 151 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,240 Unless you formulate that well, you might actually end up 152 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,600 trapping the heat in there, so. 153 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,839 Speaker 2: It actually makes it stay hot or longer correct the 154 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:04,879 barrel okay. 155 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Correct than a traditional steel barrel of the same size, 156 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,480 which the more mass you have on steel, the more 157 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:11,360 it'll kind of average out your heat. You don't get 158 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,040 as hot, but you stay hot longer, so you can 159 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,800 end up trapping that heat in there, and that'll affect 160 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,000 your performance. You know, anything from muzzle velocities will drift 161 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,480 over the course of shooting to you know, ultimately having 162 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,199 challenges with you know, being able to continue and you 163 00:08:25,199 --> 00:08:26,639 have to open the bolt, let it cool. 164 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:27,399 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. 165 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:29,839 Speaker 1: We've all been there, of course, and so I wanted 166 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:33,559 to address that, reduce, mitigate that issue, and pull the 167 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,399 heat out. So what we did is we went back 168 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,440 and looked at different material properties and we actually landed 169 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,440 on a ceramic that we were able to specially formulate 170 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,799 so that it meets all the same performance standards of 171 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,559 the performance of the other carbon fiber barrels, but adds 172 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,120 in an aspect that actually draws that heat out through 173 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:56,679 what we call low thermal inertia properties. It's just one 174 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,960 more property that people you know, may not know about. 175 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:04,720 Thermal Conductivity gets talked about a lot in steel and barrels, 176 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,320 but it only tells half the story. Thermal conductivity is 177 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:13,039 how well a mass absorbs heat versus thermal inertia, which 178 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,879 actually talks about how well volume gets rid of heat. 179 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,320 So thermal inertia favors low density materials that drop the 180 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,000 heat into the environment faster. Thermal conductivity it likes big, thick, 181 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,120 heavy steel barrels. 182 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: You guys, this is very interesting because you go, Okay, 183 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,840 where's the area that It's like, this is a cool 184 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:35,080 area that we could actually improve because we know how 185 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:41,799 to do this material science thing. Let's do this. We 186 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:45,279 haven't given away they're thinking, wait, there's a ceramic thing 187 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,000 and there's a barrel this We're gonna explain all of 188 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:53,080 this right after this break. The Ruger LCP Max is 189 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:57,559 still one of the most popular pocket sized personal protection pistols, 190 00:09:57,639 --> 00:09:59,759 and they just made it better with the Magpole Enhanced 191 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:03,039 hands Grip. So this one is the LCP Max with 192 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,399 Magpool EHG. Has nice texture, has a little bit bigger 193 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,960 grip module on it, so you can get a little 194 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,840 bit more grip on. The gun has a thirteen round 195 00:10:12,919 --> 00:10:16,519 magazine also a ten round magazine, so it's just had 196 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,639 been enhanced a bit. Still small, still easy to shoot, 197 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,279 and still very reliable as a Ruger, So go check 198 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:29,600 it out the Ruger LCP Max with magpool EHG. Suppressor 199 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:32,559 ownership has never been easier for shooters who want less 200 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,720 noise and less recoil. Silence are Central makes it easy 201 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,799 browse top suppressor brands online, handle the paperwork from home 202 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:42,360 with the help of their experts, and have your new 203 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:46,879 suppressor delivered to your door. Silence aer Central. So you 204 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,000 guys go, okay, we could do this. We have this 205 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:56,320 custom recipe of a carbon fiber I'm sorry of the ceramic. 206 00:10:57,519 --> 00:10:59,799 Before we get into how you did this with the 207 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,879 ceramic and the carbon fiber and the steel barrel, let's 208 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:06,799 get into ceramics a little bit, sure, because people hear 209 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,039 ceramics and they're like a ceramic, like a ceramic pot, 210 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:13,080 Like you drop those things and they just shatter. It's 211 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,399 real brittle, it could be break easily. 212 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,759 Speaker 1: This is something different, correct, This is completely different. In fact, 213 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:22,080 the world of ceramics, a lot of people you know, 214 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,600 especially you know who don't follow deeply in material science 215 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,000 and everything like that, may not know what a polymer 216 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,120 is or ceramic is, et cetera. So a general idea 217 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,000 is that it is anything that is not an organic 218 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,960 or a metal that is cured and hardened by heat. 219 00:11:38,879 --> 00:11:42,639 So it's a very broad definition. Yeah, and so by 220 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:46,600 utilizing specialty materials, we actually made what's called tough, a 221 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,840 very highly toughened ceramic that is very impact resistant, very stable. 222 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,799 Not to mention it's housed between carbon fiber and steel 223 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,919 very well, you know, bonded together. The whole system is bonded, 224 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,120 so we're not fracturing the ceramic. And even if if 225 00:12:00,159 --> 00:12:02,399 we were to take it outside smack it down on 226 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:04,120 a curb, we've done this tests. Smack it on a curb, 227 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,200 put it back on, go shoot the same groups really really, 228 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:11,559 so it's very resilient. And also people oftentimes will think 229 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,919 of ceramics as insulators because they are used as insulators 230 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:17,840 in certain applications. But because the definition is so broad, 231 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:20,480 we're able to utilize more conductive materials, you know, and 232 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,480 lower thermal inertia materials that actually can facilitate the cooling 233 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,320 faster than anything out there. It's also just an added perk. 234 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:29,200 Very lightweight. 235 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,039 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that because we want 236 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,279 it to be lightweight. We have these carbon fiber barrels. 237 00:12:34,279 --> 00:12:37,440 That's part of the point of it. And then you 238 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:41,919 also said that less dense is going to shed heat faster. 239 00:12:42,919 --> 00:12:48,240 So less dense we usually think of being lightweight exactly, so. 240 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:49,639 Speaker 1: You can get a larger you can get a bull 241 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:54,679 barrel contour for a considerably lighter barrel. So one of 242 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,840 the things that we like to say is that you 243 00:12:55,879 --> 00:12:59,799 get b bull barrel performance Sporter barrel weight very cool, 244 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,759 and so if you were to compare this, it's about 245 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:07,960 forty to sixty percent lighter than an equivalent contour. It 246 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:09,840 just depends on what our customers are looking for because 247 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,799 it's a custom tunable system. 248 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:17,039 Speaker 2: Gotcha, So talk to me about how because you guys 249 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:20,480 aren't barrel makers, correct, you work with gun companies and 250 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:23,120 barrel makers and that kind of thing. Talk about how 251 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:24,440 this thing is manufactured. 252 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: Sure, what we do is we partner with our customers 253 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,720 who are the original equipment manufacturers OEMs, and what they'll 254 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,600 do is they'll send us barrels that are turned down 255 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,519 to a contour that we agree upon, We then receive it. 256 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,200 We prefabricate our carbon fiber tubes. One of the reasons 257 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,720 being when you filament wind so that's the type of 258 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:46,240 carbon that we use is filam on carbon, which basically 259 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,600 span a mandril and you pass fiber back and forth. 260 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,279 When you do that, when you come down to the ends, 261 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,159 you actually get different wind angles, so your carbon fiber 262 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,240 is kind of all over the place. We cut off 263 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,519 those ends so that the carbon layup is exactly the 264 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,720 same from chamber to midpoint to muzzle, all the way 265 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,440 through uniform layup. We sleeve that over the steel and 266 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,840 we actually inject the ceramic slurry in a liquid slurry 267 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:15,000 into the interstitial space, fill it up, cure it, and 268 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,960 then we put it on a precision grinder, take it 269 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,799 down to a beautiful finish. Go sto our customer. 270 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: Does it cure with heat? 271 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:21,919 Speaker 1: It does? 272 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: How hot does it have to get heated up to? 273 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: You don't have to go much over say two hundred 274 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,480 and fifty degrees? Oh okay, so it doesn't you know, 275 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,440 change any heat set in the barrel properties or anything like. 276 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:38,039 Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha. And this slurry is like a custom mix 277 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,399 that you guys that's is it specific for barrels or 278 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,679 is it something you found. 279 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,559 Speaker 1: It's something we actually developed specifically for this application. When 280 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,559 we were taking a look at how did we want 281 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,960 to go about improving the performance of carbon barrels, we 282 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,039 realized that we needed something that was high heat stable, 283 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:57,159 but also something that would shed the heat. And we 284 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,039 took our knowledge of both of those things, you know, 285 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,240 from our experience in solving other customers problems over the years, 286 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,440 put those together and came up with this fine you 287 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:05,480 know product mix. 288 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: So shedding the heat. Talk about that because when people 289 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:11,759 shoot these barrels, as far as like you know, we 290 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,120 always touch a barrel and see as it getting warmed 291 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,480 up is a heating up. This is a little bit 292 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:17,639 different than what we're used to. 293 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: It is traditionally, you know, when you touch the outside 294 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,000 of a barrel, you say, oh that's hot, you know, 295 00:15:23,039 --> 00:15:24,960 and you say, okay, now I need to slow it 296 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,360 down or open the bolt, let it cool. You're going 297 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,759 to notice the heat on the outside of this right away. 298 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:33,080 If you defired five rounds and a steel barrel, five 299 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:35,919 rounds in an Avian modified barrel, you go and touch 300 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:38,000 the outside, the steel is actually going to feel quite 301 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,240 cool because you've only shot five rounds. But it's the 302 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:42,679 same amount of energy. We just brought it out to 303 00:15:42,679 --> 00:15:45,279 the surface and then brought it into the environment faster. 304 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:48,559 So contrary to a lot of what's you know, the 305 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:50,399 popular belief of you know, you touch it, Okay, it's hot, 306 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:53,279 it's got a cool down. It's the difference between what's 307 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:55,480 happening in the bore and what's happening on the outside. 308 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:58,080 On an all steel barrel, it wants to average out 309 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,440 the heat, right, It wants the whole thing to be 310 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,240 one temperature, so when you feel it on the outside, 311 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:06,480 that's the same temperature as what's on the inside, whereas 312 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,639 our system it's a little different. 313 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So people might go, oh, this barrel's heating up fast. No, 314 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,840 it's it's shedding heat. It's like it's evacuating the heat right. 315 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:21,159 Speaker 1: Exactly, And so go take a short one minute break, 316 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,399 come back and touch it again. It'll be quite cool. 317 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, we got to talk about the testing that 318 00:16:28,399 --> 00:16:32,000 you guys have done on this, because you've done some 319 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,000 extreme things. 320 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: We have, well, in order to prove out a concept, 321 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:39,559 you have to go after all the possibilities. How hot 322 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,480 does a barrel get typically, Well, it depends, you know, 323 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:46,240 certainly on what caliber you're running, how frequent you know, 324 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:49,360 certainly a bolt action is not going to get quite 325 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:51,639 as hot as a you know, a five five six 326 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:54,360 if you're running mag dumps. Yeah, but I mean you 327 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,600 can you can get steel, you know, prior to failure 328 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:58,360 on steel, you can get it over a thousand degrees 329 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:01,240 you know, on AAR fifteen systems and things like that. 330 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,920 This system that we're you know, mostly talking about here 331 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,799 today is is civilian facing and everything like that. We 332 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,960 do have a version that we are actually actively working 333 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,240 with the government on some military grade that have actually 334 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,279 been successfully proof tested on and torture tested on media 335 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:20,279 machine gun systems. 336 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,559 Speaker 2: Okay, so now we're going folato. 337 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:25,319 Speaker 1: Correct, which we're not here for in this system. You know, 338 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,240 it's not gonna you know, you can't take it out 339 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:30,480 back and run you know, a two hundred round belt 340 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,839 on you know, a home grade you know, a civilian 341 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:35,039 grade system. But we do have that is something that 342 00:17:35,079 --> 00:17:36,240 Avient is working towards. 343 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 2: So then that's able to handle even hotter temperatures. 344 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,599 Speaker 1: Correct, yep, But this can handle you know, anything that's 345 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,880 going up to you know, about four hundred to six 346 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,400 hundred degrees depending on how you run it fahrenheit. I 347 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,920 certainly don't do that with my own guns personally, but 348 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,359 I know people out there who do. But you know, 349 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,640 you'll see in organic systems there is breakdown at those 350 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,559 high temperatures. But it's how fast you get to those 351 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:02,240 high temperatures that really makes the difference. 352 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: What if people said about the system and they started 353 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,920 shooting it, well. 354 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:10,039 Speaker 1: One of the first things is that they notice that 355 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:12,839 we're able to stay on target, however long we're shooting for, 356 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,480 you know, especially when we get out to you know, 357 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:19,200 long range testing and things like that. The initial feedback, 358 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,480 like we talked about touching, feeling that heat right away 359 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,960 is one of the key things. But also the fact 360 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,960 that you know, you can just stay on a target, 361 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,079 keep running rounds, and you don't walk off the paper, 362 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,920 walk off the target like you do see when a 363 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,599 lot of systems do get particularly hot. 364 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,599 Speaker 2: And also talk about if somebody says, well, I don't 365 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:40,640 shoot that many rounds or I don't I'm not mad dumping. 366 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:43,519 I'm you know, I'm a deer hunter. I mean I'm 367 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,799 I shoot you know, my five ten twenty rounds to 368 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,880 side in. But when I'm shooting a deer, I probably 369 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,920 shoot once or twice. Correct, But you had a good 370 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,839 point of why this still might matter definitely. 371 00:18:56,319 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this system truly can be beneficial to any 372 00:18:59,799 --> 00:19:02,839 type of shooter. The reasoning you touched on. When you've 373 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:05,079 got in, you site your rifle. Sure, you might be carrying, 374 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,279 you know, the rifle into your stand waiting. It might 375 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:10,200 be nice and cold outside. You have a nice cold 376 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,000 boar shot. However, when you took that rifle to the range, 377 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,880 you know, whether it was two weeks ago, whatever, you 378 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,200 probably didn't take all the time you need in between 379 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,079 each round to bring it completely back down to a 380 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,599 cold boar. What you really need is something that if 381 00:19:24,599 --> 00:19:27,920 you zeroed to your fifth or tenth shot, that means 382 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,920 you're actually set up for your fifth or tenth shot. 383 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,279 If your barrel walked, you may not be zeroed anymore. 384 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,000 So guaranteeing you're going to get cold bar performance across 385 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,880 you know, the multiple rounds. Make sure that you know 386 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,119 that you have a lightweight barrel, so you're not you know, 387 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,359 humping in a honk and steel you know memoth out there, 388 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:49,480 but you're also going to be able to head exactly 389 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:50,279 where you want it to hit. 390 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 2: I mean, that makes all the sense in the world 391 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,279 to me, because I know when I side in now 392 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:00,279 I don't once I noticed that bullets are walking. Oh 393 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:02,559 maybe we should cool it down. At that point, I'm 394 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:08,400 probably already into seven, eight, ten, twelve rounds. Sure, depending 395 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,079 on how difficult this sighting is take, you know, and 396 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:14,720 how long it's taking. And then when it's like not 397 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,000 super hot, we do the you know, the redneck you know, 398 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:21,880 grab the barrel test and you go, yeah, it's fine, 399 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:24,200 but that's a good point, like you maybe actually cited 400 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:28,160 in for your tenth round. And obviously that deer, that elk, 401 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:31,240 this is a cold boar. You weren't shooting ten rounds 402 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,400 before you walked out exactly. You're not keeping a heater 403 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,480 in the boar before you get out there. Totally different. Yeah, 404 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:40,920 very cool. And this is what's this called again? 405 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,599 Speaker 1: So this is Avian's composite heat release technology and four barrels. 406 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:49,519 Speaker 2: Okay, and uh you know what we'll do. 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This is made possible by the patented 423 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,920 af speedlock system featuring a unique non tilting barrel lockup 424 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,279 design and with the gen Ti meter modular grip you 425 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:03,000 can customize size and texture to fit your use and 426 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:09,079 shooting preference. Are con firearms, so ease? We said, Okay, 427 00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:12,720 you guys. Avian is not a gun company and actually 428 00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:16,400 not really even a barrel making company. Correct, So how 429 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,400 do people find. 430 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: This by buying our customers systems? 431 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,039 Speaker 2: Okay. 432 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: So we have actually gone live in you know, on 433 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,599 advertisements and everything like that and are available you know, 434 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,480 in stores with a couple of different customers. Uh. To 435 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,839 begin with, you know, Thompson Center starting with their Encore line, 436 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,400 so that should be available very soon, but also with 437 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:39,599 Cold War Solutions, which is an arm of a thunder 438 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,440 value Precision okay, and there are others out there. It 439 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:45,319 just depends on how our customers want to advertise and 440 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,079 use the Avian name. Because we're business to business, we 441 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:49,759 can be behind the scenes, and so some of. 442 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: Them may actually say this is an Avian h C 443 00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:59,240 h R composite yep, CHR. Okay, chr. It's thinking by 444 00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,160 completely guns with this in there, or people are going 445 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,559 to be selling barrels just by themselves. There will be soon. Okay, 446 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:10,559 all right, very good. You've been doing a lot of testing, 447 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:13,000 and talk about the type of test and you've been doing. 448 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,480 You should what you would the gun that you brought here. 449 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:17,119 You said, oh, yeah, it's good. I think I was 450 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,279 just shooting out to fourteen hundred. 451 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: Sure, it's where did you go for that, I went 452 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,079 to saw Mill Tactical in South Carolina. Okay, so that's 453 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,000 a great range. Definitely should check it out. Also shoot 454 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:32,559 up at thunder Valley Precision in Ohio and you know, 455 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,640 great facilities both of them to shoot out to long ranges. 456 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,319 But yeah, we we definitely do a lot of long 457 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,000 range studies like I mentioned, you know, being able to 458 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:44,480 hit you know, your your target multiple times over, but 459 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,279 also you know, at local ranges and things. One of 460 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:50,440 the key things that we've been studying is how you know, 461 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,000 of course, how does a barrel heat up, how does 462 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:53,839 it cool down? But it's all about the bore of 463 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,200 the system, right, and so measuring and determining what are 464 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,039 your cool down factors while maintaining your accuracy. And so 465 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,160 we've been consistently, depending on what type of you know, 466 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,680 competitive barrels out there across the board, we've been outperforming 467 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,480 them in cooling rates cool down times anywhere from five 468 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:14,680 percent to sixty percent laster. 469 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: Cheezum. I bet the long range shooter guys love this. 470 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, PRS and NRL guys you know, have definitely 471 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,559 been eating it up. And okay, just been talking. 472 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,599 Speaker 2: About you know, yeah he gets excited about. 473 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: It, definitely, but yeah, maintaining So we talked about the 474 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,119 value to you know, your your hunter you know, might 475 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,799 take the gun out twice a year once to zero 476 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,759 wants to you know, go hunt. But you also have 477 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,720 the you know, significant benefit to the p r S 478 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,640 and n r OL guys, you know, lightweight, easy to 479 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,839 maneuver between you know, portions of a stage, while also 480 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,200 maintaining that point of impact. 481 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I could also see this being great for 482 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:52,839 even ars, don't you think it is? I mean ars 483 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,319 they heat up, especially you're running a class. We're not 484 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,079 talking about precision, you know. I'm thinking of this if 485 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,599 like the car being class type thing of Like, Okay, 486 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:08,119 I'm not worried about if like my zero walked a 487 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,359 couple inches at several hundred yards, maybe that's not the 488 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,400 but it's like your handguard won't get as hot, right. 489 00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: Right, so it you'll of course feel heat more quickly, 490 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:23,160 but it's dissipating into the atmosphere much faster. Okay, so 491 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,519 you don't actually get too big of an issue where 492 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:28,599 you know, your fore end gets too hot to handle 493 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,720 anything like that. One of the key things also is 494 00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:34,559 because of the lightweight, load density of the system. We're 495 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,880 actually able to make on ar systems. We make bull 496 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,079 barrels as opposed to so like a lot of people 497 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,640 used to have seven to fifty gas block dur an 498 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,880 O three quarter inch or even you know, the pencils. 499 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,039 We actually bulk it up to the large size, the 500 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,240 nine thirty six gas block, so that it's a it 501 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,680 basically looks like just a cylinder. Yeah, first of all, 502 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,359 I think it's pretty. Second of all, you get more 503 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,519 volume there, you get more so your pulling that heat 504 00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:58,920 out faster, so you don't see the same peak temperatures. 505 00:25:59,079 --> 00:25:59,559 Speaker 2: Interesting. 506 00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:02,559 Speaker 1: Interesting, And it's stiffer on the end by being thicker. 507 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 2: Well, you know, we talk a lot about the heat part. 508 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:12,400 Does this have any other advantages for the shooter? 509 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,599 Speaker 1: By being low density, you know, and lightweight material just 510 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:17,440 like any carbon barrel, it's going to be lighter than 511 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,440 it's steel alternative, So definitely as far as you know, 512 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,559 hoisting it, walking around with it, et cetera. So you 513 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:25,200 get those two and like I said, you know, we 514 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,200 didn't want to make a METO product. I wanted to 515 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,759 make something that was outperforming what's out there currently. And 516 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,160 we couldn't make it heavier. Yeah, right, so we kept 517 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:34,759 going lighter. 518 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: Very cool, all right, Avian Technologies, Eves, Thanks for being 519 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,839 on with us and explaining and hopefully you know it's funny. 520 00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:44,359 I always say there's a lot of different ways that 521 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,599 people enjoy guns. And there's the techie guys who want 522 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,799 to know how does it work? You know, is this 523 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,200 a delayed blowback system? And the house, the gas travel 524 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,200 and all that. There's those those gun owners who love 525 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,400 this stuff. So hopefully you stuck with us on a 526 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,400 little bit of science time on Gun Talk Nation. Thanks 527 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,400 for watching, thanks for listening. We'll see you next time. 528 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,079 Speaker 1: M HM.