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Speaker 4: All right, welcome again to gun Talk.
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Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 5: And you know that we have classes down at Range
Speaker 5: Ready Studios. A lot of people have been down there
Speaker 5: and it's a When you say it's a unique place,
Speaker 5: everybody goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a shooting range. Well,
Speaker 5: yeah it is.
Speaker 4: But it's more than that.
Speaker 5: Joining me right now because he is going to be
Speaker 5: one of the instructors of one of the coolest classes.
Speaker 4: We've ever had there, Travis Gibson joint us right now.
Speaker 6: How you doing, partner, I'm doing good, Tom, Thanks so
Speaker 6: much for having me back.
Speaker 5: All right, So you you have been down to the
Speaker 5: place down in Louisiana, Range right and Yeah, you've been
Speaker 5: to ranges literally all over the country pro probably around
Speaker 5: the world, and you're a professor shooter.
Speaker 4: You've been doing this forever. But this is a different place,
Speaker 4: isn't it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it very much is.
Speaker 6: It's got a it's got a lot of cool features,
Speaker 6: a lot of stuff that you know, other other facilities
Speaker 6: don't have, with with you know, Ryan doing the show
Speaker 6: down there, the you know, the television show, and being
Speaker 6: able to go and film here and then go outside
Speaker 6: and shoot stuff, and yeah, it's it's it's a it.
Speaker 7: Really is a great unique facility.
Speaker 4: And you also eat pretty well on these classes there.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I make sure and gone a diet about ten
Speaker 6: days before I head out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we feed the students really well. All right, So
Speaker 5: we got this class coming up and I'm looking, this
Speaker 5: is the coolest thing, all right. We got Colt so
Speaker 5: it's an ar class and they got the M five rifle,
Speaker 5: their new M five gonna I'm going to shoot those
Speaker 5: for two days. And it's you and your son, Wyatt.
Speaker 5: This is like the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a it's well, as you well know, getting
Speaker 6: to getting to do cool stuff with guns with your
Speaker 6: kids is always a good time, and and uh yeah,
Speaker 6: we uh, Colt's been or I'm sorry why it's been
Speaker 6: shooting with Colt for I don't even know how many
Speaker 6: years now. It's it's been a little while, but I've
Speaker 6: been coming and helping with a couple of classes and
Speaker 6: stuff like that, and so uh on this one's you know,
Speaker 6: kind of the you know why, and I will be
Speaker 6: teaching the rifle stuff.
Speaker 7: And just kind of going, uh, you know, I mean it's.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to say it's a it's a you know,
Speaker 6: an entry level class, but I mean it's it's kind
Speaker 6: of get you going on the basics, but there's portions
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 7: That kind of get off onto the you know, into
Speaker 7: the deep end. We're going to be doing some higher
Speaker 7: level stuff there. So it's, uh, we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 5: We should probably explain that, you know why, it is
Speaker 5: actually third generation the same way that Ryan is my son,
Speaker 5: because your dad is a shooter obviously. Okay, go ahead
Speaker 5: and tell about.
Speaker 6: Your op Okay, So, so my dad's my dad's Mike Gibson,
Speaker 6: and he started MGM Targets in nineteen ninety two, when
Speaker 6: when you know his background is in structural steel fabrication
Speaker 6: and just my my my uncle is actually the one
Speaker 6: that introduced my dad into competitive shooting. And my dad,
Speaker 6: my dad started figuring this out, and of course he
Speaker 6: goes to the range and just being the you know,
Speaker 6: the kind of guy that is, he's looking at targets
Speaker 6: trying to figure out way to make him better, make
Speaker 6: him last longer, make them more durable, all that sort
Speaker 6: of stuff. And then when he figured out you could
Speaker 6: write off the guns and amma was a business expense,
Speaker 6: it was all downhill from there.
Speaker 5: So you guys makes up the very best steel targets
Speaker 5: in the business man.
Speaker 7: Well, well thanks Tom. Yeah, it's uh, we've been doing
Speaker 7: it for a little while. And I can't even remember.
Speaker 6: I was talking with somebody the other day and literally
Speaker 6: it was last weekend. I was shooting the Idaho State
Speaker 6: Handgun Championships over in eastern Idaho, and I'm still going
Speaker 6: out looking at targets, like.
Speaker 7: Can we do this, can we do that? What what
Speaker 7: can we do to? You know?
Speaker 6: And it was our time and I'm still looking at
Speaker 6: him trying to figure out if there's any way we
Speaker 6: can make them better.
Speaker 5: Well, you looking at your targets at a range at
Speaker 5: a match and say, yeah, but I think there's a
Speaker 5: way we can do something a little better here.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You know, me just always always trying to, you know,
Speaker 6: be innovative and look at stuff and yeah, make make
Speaker 6: changes if we need to, always moving forward. And the
Speaker 6: thing that made me happy was I couldn't figure out
Speaker 6: any way to make it better.
Speaker 7: So it's still still doing a good job.
Speaker 4: All right. So when did you shoot your first competitive match?
Speaker 6: I shot my first match, and I'm trying to say
Speaker 6: it was like December of two thousand and five.
Speaker 5: I think, man, you've been doing this in a while,
Speaker 5: and of course you know you are a top level.
Speaker 5: I mean at these matches, it's like, yeah, we know
Speaker 5: Travis is going to be right there at the very top,
Speaker 5: you know, any given time. But taking that and then
Speaker 5: looking at Wyatt, that guy is like a superhuman shooter.
Speaker 6: Yeah he's And the thing of it is, you know,
Speaker 6: and now with that being said, like like the kid's
Speaker 6: been shooting with me since he was six, literally was
Speaker 6: how old do you know when he went and shot
Speaker 6: his first match. So he's been shooting almost as long
Speaker 6: as I have. And he doesn't have bad.
Speaker 7: Knees and bad eyes. You know, and so he's getting
Speaker 7: around really good.
Speaker 6: You know, put a lot of put a lot of
Speaker 6: effort in the beginning, so he's yeah, he's doing a
Speaker 6: great job, all right.
Speaker 5: So one of the things that's so cool about this
Speaker 5: class to do it range right now. People can go
Speaker 5: to range ready studios dot com, sign up, you take
Speaker 5: the class, You get two days a really good shoot.
Speaker 5: You can walk in knowing just a little bit about
Speaker 5: RS and come away knowing a lot about RS.
Speaker 4: But not only do you get the training, the AMO.
Speaker 5: Is provided, the accessories are provided, the rifle is provided,
Speaker 5: the optic is provided. Oh yeah, at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, you get to keep the rifle and you
Speaker 5: get to keep the optic, and you get to keep
Speaker 5: all the other stuff that you were using. I mean,
Speaker 5: you just simply get everything and the instruction. It's spectacular.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is This will be the second one of
Speaker 6: these that I've been involved with with Cold and the
Speaker 6: first ones was with the pistols. So we did a
Speaker 6: nineteen eleven nine mil with the Vortex red dot on
Speaker 6: it and kind of did the same thing and Release
Speaker 6: and Justine with Colt were right down there helping Wyatt.
Speaker 6: So it's uh, yeah, it was, like I said.
Speaker 7: Holsters Magazines, Ammo, you know, the whole nine yards. It was.
Speaker 6: It was a great event, and I'm really looking forward
Speaker 6: to this one as well.
Speaker 5: One of the things I think about that people don't
Speaker 5: quite understand maybe is the whole idea of the low
Speaker 5: powered variable optic the lpv O. Uh. This one, we're
Speaker 5: going to be using the Voodoo X from EO techts
Speaker 5: a one to six, and I know that everybody wants
Speaker 5: high magnification because they're shooting long range, but with a
Speaker 5: one to six you could do a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: Talk about that.
Speaker 6: When I first started shooting, like I remember Loo pulled
Speaker 6: out a c QT one to three and like that
Speaker 6: was the rage, like, oh man, you got they've got
Speaker 6: this new thing that's coming out.
Speaker 7: And then they started getting up and they couldn't find
Speaker 7: her true one power. They went from one.
Speaker 6: And a half to five was kind of the next
Speaker 6: new hotness, and now they're getting you know, if you're
Speaker 6: one to six is you know, like that's just you know, everybody's.
Speaker 7: Kind of got those.
Speaker 6: And so what what folks has started doing is started
Speaker 6: starting to really work on the glass, making sure it's got.
Speaker 7: A good site picture Uh.
Speaker 6: And the other thing is good radicals, right, making sure
Speaker 6: that you've got to so when you're on six power
Speaker 6: and most of these, most of these are the you know,
Speaker 6: the I.
Speaker 7: Was get these two mixed up.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure it's second focal plane to where the
Speaker 6: the the radical changes size with the uh, with the
Speaker 6: power of magnification power. But yeah, making sure that those
Speaker 6: things lined up and you know, and they fit. Uh,
Speaker 6: you know, a good range of ballistics on the your
Speaker 6: ammo something like that.
Speaker 5: That may be first vocal plane. But I always have
Speaker 5: to look it up. I get them confused too, So there.
Speaker 7: You very well could be right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like like I said, I gotta I got to
Speaker 6: look it up as well. But yeah, just having those things,
Speaker 6: you know, having good radicals in them to where you know,
Speaker 6: engaging you know, honestly, like twelve inch plates out to
Speaker 6: five or six hundred yards is not a big deal
Speaker 6: with a six power scope with a six power scope
Speaker 6: undred percent.
Speaker 4: So why would somebody want one power scope.
Speaker 6: For the low power end of the end of the spectrum,
Speaker 6: right for just you know, doing close stuff. Uh. That's
Speaker 6: the other thing that a lot of these companies are doing.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure I haven't got to play with this
Speaker 6: this eotech.
Speaker 7: That we're going to be using a lot. But what
Speaker 7: a lot of.
Speaker 6: These companies are doing is they're putting a nice red
Speaker 6: dot inside there. So you put this thing on one
Speaker 6: power and you're running it like a true red dot
Speaker 6: site or so for close close target engagement and those
Speaker 6: sorts of things. You're running at two eyes open and
Speaker 6: just you know, being able to burn stuff down.
Speaker 4: It is fast.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yep, super fast. Yeah.
Speaker 6: The field of view on these guys is huge, and
Speaker 6: like I said, with that red dot in there, yeah,
Speaker 6: you can you can really get after it.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm just thinking that uh an ar with like a
Speaker 5: one to six would be I think probably the perfect
Speaker 5: setup for a defensive gun.
Speaker 6: Yeap, it really is, you know, And that's I don't
Speaker 6: want to get too far off into the weeds, but
Speaker 6: where you live, you know, and and you know, making
Speaker 6: that choice and those sorts of things.
Speaker 7: But that's that's what.
Speaker 6: That's what I've got on most of my guns is
Speaker 6: is a one to something, you know, one to six
Speaker 6: or you know.
Speaker 5: One, Yeah, but that one gives you both eyes open,
Speaker 5: fat actually faster than iron sights. It's just amazing and
Speaker 5: with an illuminated radical and this one does have them radical.
Speaker 5: You're right, it is like a red dot, but with
Speaker 5: a lot more options.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah for defense guy, you know, an n AR with
Speaker 6: a with a one to six with you know that
Speaker 6: has the red dot inside of it, a light and
Speaker 6: a sling. Like you're that's pretty set up. That's pretty
Speaker 6: good to go right there.
Speaker 4: You mentioned sling.
Speaker 5: Everybody gets a sling with this one too, and I
Speaker 5: think some people, if are just brand new to it,
Speaker 5: they don't understand the use of a sling or how
Speaker 5: necessary a sling is on a defensive ar.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it most certainly is, and it's and it's something
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: Obviously I didn't understand it either, and I went to
Speaker 6: a class down in Texas with the It was actually
Speaker 6: a law enforcement class that I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 6: be able to partake in, even though it wasn't law enforcement,
Speaker 6: put on by a guy named Benny Cooley, who is
Speaker 6: arguably one of the best all around riflemen in the world.
Speaker 6: I mean, just you know, dude's been doing it forever.
Speaker 6: But I went down there and took a took a
Speaker 6: two days worth of class with him with the sling,
Speaker 6: and you're like, holy smokes, Like I can't believe you
Speaker 6: can pick up an r and not have one of
Speaker 6: the it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you go, you go back home. You put a
Speaker 4: sling on all of them, don't you.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: That pretty much? Yep, pretty much, yep. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: Have you had a chance to shoot the Colt five?
Speaker 7: I haven't. It's gonna be my first day.
Speaker 4: Too, Okay, this They're gonna be fun.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 6: I've seen it so when we're down there doing the
Speaker 6: when we're down there doing the the nineteen eleven class
Speaker 6: with Cold and I got to see it, but I
Speaker 6: didn't actually get.
Speaker 7: To shoot it. So okay, yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 4: Good ude, Well you get to shoot with this cold
Speaker 4: professional shooter, you know, that's.
Speaker 7: What I heard. I'm looking forward to that too.
Speaker 5: Interested it's you go to Rangebady Studios dot Com. I
Speaker 5: know they have a couple of slots left, but this
Speaker 5: thing is going to sell out. I mean, and I
Speaker 5: think it was twenty five hundred bucks. You get the
Speaker 5: two days instruction, you get all them, you get the rifle,
Speaker 5: you get the scope, you get all the accessories. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: and you get a really good couple of days of
Speaker 5: lunches too.
Speaker 7: Okay, I was gonna say, don't leave out the lunches.
Speaker 7: That's that's one of the really good parts. You know.
Speaker 4: It's funny.
Speaker 5: People think we're joking, but people do come away going, man,
Speaker 5: I just can't believe how.
Speaker 4: They fed us. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not normal range food, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: It is. It is not.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 4: I know you're gonna have a good time down there.
Speaker 5: Anybody that could signed up, if they can get in,
Speaker 5: they're gonna have a great time too.
Speaker 7: Hey.
Speaker 4: You know, by the way, uh, you just moved back
Speaker 4: to Idaho, So welcome back home.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much. I'm super excited to be here.
Speaker 4: We're gonna get together do some shooting now.
Speaker 7: Yep. I like it.
Speaker 5: Good deal, Travis Skipson, thank you so much. All right,
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Speaker 5: And honestly, it doesn't really matter what the subject matter is.
Speaker 5: I can't hold a thought anyway, so I don't even
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Speaker 4: I never have.
Speaker 5: So if you know there's a gun you want to
Speaker 5: talk about, or questions that you have for me, if
Speaker 5: you think about starting to carry a gun, it's a
Speaker 5: complex subject and a lot of people want to make
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Speaker 5: I have been vacillating thinking about for I don't know why.
Speaker 5: For some reason, I was looking at three eighties three
Speaker 5: eighty pistols. If you know, you know, but the three
Speaker 5: eighty cartridge is essentially a shorter, weaker nine milimeter cartridge
Speaker 5: shoots a nine milimeter bullet. In fact, in Germany the
Speaker 5: three eighties called the nine milimeter curse, which is I
Speaker 5: mean short, It's a nine milimeters short. There was a
Speaker 5: time when you wouldn't have thought of carrying a three
Speaker 5: eighty for self defense. But that's back when we were
Speaker 5: all shooting full metal jacket bullets. Now we have really
Speaker 5: good AMMO and really good bullets, and there are a
Speaker 5: lot of good three eighties out there. I think Caltech
Speaker 5: and Ruger broke through with their little bitty, teeny tiny
Speaker 5: pistols in three eighty. I don't know anybody, honestly who's
Speaker 5: series about self defense, who really is into this, who
Speaker 5: doesn't own a Ruger LCP or the Celtech version, may
Speaker 5: not carry it much anymore, but probably did, but you
Speaker 5: know it is the s ken Jorkinson said, it's the
Speaker 5: gun you carry when you can carry a gun, and
Speaker 5: that's a really good description of it. There are some
Speaker 5: slightly larger versions available now, and it's kind of a
Speaker 5: cool sweet spot, and I would call them it's a microcompact,
Speaker 5: but not as super small as the LCP, something like
Speaker 5: the Smith and Western Bodyguard two point zero, and there
Speaker 5: are versions from Ruger and others. There are some really
Speaker 5: nice advantages to the three eighty, particularly for people who
Speaker 5: have trouble working the slide of a nine milimeter with
Speaker 5: a recoil spring is just too strong. I can't you know,
Speaker 5: we could go into the technique and all, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I look there people who just don't have the strength
Speaker 5: ours right as to whatever. Almost anybody can work the
Speaker 5: slide on a three eighty, not the super small ones, understand,
Speaker 5: because as you get smaller and smaller, the spring recoil
Speaker 5: spring has to get smaller and smaller, shorter, but it
Speaker 5: still has to have the power to handle the recoil,
Speaker 5: and so it is harder to work the slide. As
Speaker 5: your three eighty pistol gets larger, the slide becomes easier
Speaker 5: to work. A totally full size three eighty is an
Speaker 5: amazing thing, really no effort at all. But these mid
Speaker 5: sized microcompacts whatever you want to call them, like the
Speaker 5: Bodyguard two point zero, very easy to work, the slide
Speaker 5: on them, very shootable, not much recoil and there. This
Speaker 5: new generation is really crazy accurate. I enjoy shooting The
Speaker 5: Bodyguard all the way back to and it's been around
Speaker 5: a long time now. The SIGs got their own version,
Speaker 5: the nine thirty eight. That's the nine million ear they
Speaker 5: are I think it's two thirty eight three eighty and
Speaker 5: it looks like a little shrunk nineteen eleven and they
Speaker 5: shoot really well. They're kind of small and honestly harder
Speaker 5: to shoot because they're so As you get to smaller guns,
Speaker 5: really really smaller guns, they simply become more difficult to
Speaker 5: shoot well. Speaking of shooting, well, later on in the show,
Speaker 5: we're gonna have a world champion, National champion, world champion
Speaker 5: shooter who's won practically everything there is to win. In
Speaker 5: pistol shooting, and just because we like to drive people crazy.
Speaker 5: One of the things he talks about is quit thinking
Speaker 5: about amy. You spend too much effort worrying about amy.
Speaker 5: If you stop thinking about aiming, you could hit targets better.
Speaker 5: It's true. I have demonstrated it on the range many,
Speaker 5: many times. But we'll let him cover that.
Speaker 4: It's fun.
Speaker 5: One of the questions I ask, and it's rhetorical and
Speaker 5: maybe not, it's why do you miss?
Speaker 4: Targets?
Speaker 5: Aren't moving? Generally? Paper target's just there when you aim
Speaker 5: at the target. Are the sites going all over the place?
Speaker 5: Are they like off the target? Are they off the paper?
Speaker 5: Or are they putting up the sky pourting down to
Speaker 5: the ground? What's going on here? People want to shoot better,
Speaker 5: but I'm not sure everybody, No, I am sure. I'm
Speaker 5: sure that most people don't really work on how do
Speaker 5: I get better? Why am I missing? Which is the
Speaker 5: sense your question? Why did I not shoot better?
Speaker 4: We can?
Speaker 5: The guns are amazingly good these days. If you put
Speaker 5: the gun in a vice, it's going to put all
Speaker 5: the shots pretty close.
Speaker 4: To one hole. So what's going on? I don't know.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that.
Speaker 5: If you have a comment or question or a thought
Speaker 5: on that, or if you figured it out, I'd love
Speaker 5: to know how you got better.
Speaker 4: Oh so I got a question for you.
Speaker 5: Know those things as magnets where you stick your gun
Speaker 5: onto the dash under the dash of your car, and
Speaker 5: you got your pistol. It's backed onto the car or
Speaker 5: onto the console. You take it a yourholes should put
Speaker 5: it in there. Somebody's gonna have to call it. Explain
Speaker 5: that to me. I am not understanding it, and I'm
Speaker 5: sure I'm missing something. But if you do it and
Speaker 5: you have one, let me know. Number here is Tom
Speaker 5: Talk Gun. I'm curious and i am ready to be educated.
Speaker 5: I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun Talking.
Speaker 4: Oh what have you been shooting?
Speaker 5: Let me know. Give me a call right now. Call
Speaker 5: me at tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham. This is
Speaker 5: gun Talk. You can check us out over on the web,
Speaker 5: of course. We are gun talk dot Com. We're on
Speaker 5: Facebook is gun talk Media. Over on YouTube you can
Speaker 5: find us. I'm on x where you can find me.
Speaker 5: I am at gun talk over there. I had an
Speaker 5: interesting post from somebody I guess was yesterday. He says, Yeah,
Speaker 5: you got an interesting take. You tell people they shouldn't
Speaker 5: have training and shouldn't take classes because you encourage them
Speaker 5: to spend all their money on new guns. So I
Speaker 5: did not quite know how to respond to that, so
Speaker 5: I said, where you got me? You got me on
Speaker 5: that one. Yep, I've never told anybody they ought to
Speaker 5: go and get training. I'll try to do better. I mean,
Speaker 5: what do you do right again? Eight six six? Talk
Speaker 5: gun gets you in here? Let's see Rodney called that
Speaker 5: out of Texas online one. Hey, Rodi, thanks for calling down.
Speaker 5: Work on your mind, Thank you.
Speaker 12: Tom So, I'm reloading some forty five acp pistols and
Speaker 12: pistol cartridges, and I've noticed that the hornity brass doesn't
Speaker 12: seem to want to take either the large pistol prommer
Speaker 12: nor the small pistol promer. Most of them take more
Speaker 12: than the others, such as Federal Fredwell takes the smaller
Speaker 12: ones and other ones take the larger ones. But this
Speaker 12: one just there's something just a little bit off on
Speaker 12: this brass. And I'm wondering, is can you elaborate on
Speaker 12: that or why is that?
Speaker 5: I have not experienced that. I'm just wondering. So clearly
Speaker 5: you are an experienced reloader. So you understand that some
Speaker 5: are coming with small private pockets the summer are coming
Speaker 5: with large, but in this case you can't get either
Speaker 5: want of them to work. What happens when you're trying
Speaker 5: to get in.
Speaker 12: I can try to force some of them in, but
Speaker 12: sometimes you'll bend the primer and you know it just
Speaker 12: or it'll go in. It just doesn't go in right now.
Speaker 12: So what I've been doing is just I've just been
Speaker 12: chunking the hornity brass, which I don't want to do.
Speaker 12: I know it's a good quality brass, but I'm just
Speaker 12: wondering did horn Hornby make a little bit different kind
Speaker 12: of primer or something that they put them in? So
Speaker 12: I thought i'd ask you you.
Speaker 5: Are you familiar with well, basically cleaning up a private pocket.
Speaker 5: You can have a little tools that were put in
Speaker 5: there and scrape them and clean them up, get them
Speaker 5: to the universe uniform size. I'm just wondering if either
Speaker 5: they're suaging the primer pockets, uh some kind of a
Speaker 5: crimp in there, or if you can uniform them with
Speaker 5: a private pocket uniformer and that would work.
Speaker 12: I haven't tried that. I would just usually just after
Speaker 12: I clean them, you know clean my brass. I usually
Speaker 12: prime I wipe them out with a Q tip, but
Speaker 12: I haven't tried a primer tool, so you.
Speaker 5: Know, I mean the obvious thing would it would be
Speaker 5: just to give them a call, call Horny and say, hey,
Speaker 5: this is what's going on. Is there something I need
Speaker 5: to know about your primer pockets?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'll try that.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 12: Thank you so much Ryan for my question.
Speaker 4: Do you bet?
Speaker 5: I'm not sure I helped it all, but at least
Speaker 5: it gives you a couple of places to head out.
Speaker 5: I appreciate the call, sir. Let's go grab Joe out
Speaker 5: of New Jersey. Hello, Joe, you're on gun talking what
Speaker 5: you ben shooting?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 13: Tom, I got a range report for you about a
Speaker 13: new target and a new drill. I don't know if
Speaker 13: you saw it. I sent you an email. It's quite
Speaker 13: the easy to see it says E letter E, the
Speaker 13: letter Z, the number two and the number ce. Easy
Speaker 13: and what it is on the target. They've got eight
Speaker 13: geometric shapes, each one about the size of a coffee saucer.
Speaker 13: They've got two squares, two circles, two triangles, and two octagons,
Speaker 13: and each pair which are randomly scattered. You know, one
Speaker 13: one square might be red and the other might be yellow.
Speaker 13: One circle might be green, the other one might be blank.
Speaker 13: And in each one there's a number, and the numbers
Speaker 13: are no particular order, but they're all different. So what
Speaker 13: we do now is one of us stands behind the
Speaker 13: shooter and we'll call out green circle number seven, and
Speaker 13: they have to go find those two targets. They have
Speaker 13: to go bang bang, and then we call out the
Speaker 13: next pair, bang bang, and it's you know, so it's
Speaker 13: a quick target recognition quick fire, so much more interesting
Speaker 13: and challenging and just shooting at the little red bulls
Speaker 13: eye in the center of the target.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And look we've been doing that for thirty or
Speaker 5: forty years, making up our own targets, are getting targets
Speaker 5: from different people, and have somebody call out, you know,
Speaker 5: odd numbers are you know, I just say seven and
Speaker 5: three whatever. So rather than just quickly jumping up with
Speaker 5: the gun and shooting the target, you have to find
Speaker 5: the target, identify it before you shoot it.
Speaker 4: I think that's really good training.
Speaker 13: Yeah, and it's really I don't know, if you check
Speaker 13: your email, you'll see a picture Tom. But again it's
Speaker 13: a fairly large target. And again there's eight. There's four
Speaker 13: in each column, but no two geometric shapes have the
Speaker 13: same color, you know. So you might have two triangles,
Speaker 13: but one triangle might be green and the other triangle
Speaker 13: it might be yellow. Circle. I'm sorry, you can't game it.
Speaker 4: You got you got to actually listen to the instruction
Speaker 4: and find.
Speaker 13: The right target right, and the numbers are not If
Speaker 13: the numbers are one through eight, but they're not in
Speaker 13: any sequence. They're not one, two, three, four. You know,
Speaker 13: the number eight might be an upper left hand corner.
Speaker 13: Number three might be the second one down on the right.
Speaker 13: So if I shout out, you know, green circle number four,
Speaker 13: you've got to find the green first, find the number
Speaker 13: circle the green green. By the way, the number four
Speaker 13: might be in the green circle. So if I if
Speaker 13: I yet a green circle, number three, and then number three,
Speaker 13: it's going to take you a second to realize that
Speaker 13: number three is also the green circle. You have to
Speaker 13: shoot the green circle twice.
Speaker 4: So what do you feel like you're getting out of
Speaker 4: that target, Well.
Speaker 13: It's it's it's a target recognition and then quick you know,
Speaker 13: it's quick shifting.
Speaker 14: Again.
Speaker 13: When when we're shooting red bull's eyes, we used to
Speaker 13: stand there for five or six seconds, you know, steady
Speaker 13: the gun, you know, hould control of our breathing and
Speaker 13: squeeze off. The shot gets boring pretty quick. So this
Speaker 13: is more real life quick target identification. It's more it's
Speaker 13: more of a real life Hey, you've got to you've
Speaker 13: got to identify the target, make sure it's the right target,
Speaker 13: and you got to shoot quickly, and you got to
Speaker 13: shoot accurately, which is much more realistic than our typical
Speaker 13: red you know, shoot at the red dot in the
Speaker 13: middle of the target.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I love it.
Speaker 7: I love it.
Speaker 5: Look, thank you for the call, and thank you for
Speaker 5: bringing that up. I appreciate that. That's as I say,
Speaker 5: it's something we've been doing for many, many years. But
Speaker 5: there's a commercial target available and anybody can do that.
Speaker 5: You can put up your own targets and have somebody
Speaker 5: call them out. That leads me to a topic, and
Speaker 5: I'm normal, don't go anywhere. I'm gonna get you in
Speaker 5: just a second. Here the idea that And yes, I
Speaker 5: understand the drawing and shooting fast is a skill, and
Speaker 5: it's a good skill to have. It's good weapon manipulation skill.
Speaker 5: But in defensive situations, Drawing and shooting fast may not
Speaker 5: be the solution. I'm not saying it's a bad thing
Speaker 5: to know how to do, but it may not be
Speaker 5: called for. What often is called for is looking and
Speaker 5: understanding what's going on, trying to figure out, you know, okay,
Speaker 5: where's the bad guy? How many bad guys are there?
Speaker 5: Is there more than one? Are there new people arriving
Speaker 5: on the scene if they already have a gun out.
Speaker 5: I can't get into a fast draw contest with somebody
Speaker 5: whos already got a gun out. So now it becomes
Speaker 5: a matter of timing. Is there a way to have
Speaker 5: you ever practiced drawing from stealth? You're sitting down and
Speaker 5: you're going to try to get your gun out, so
Speaker 5: you have it in your hand, but nobody sees that
Speaker 5: you're drawing. That is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 5: You need to practice that. And this kind of goes
Speaker 5: along with that, which is taking enough time to find
Speaker 5: the right target, identify the right target, and then shoot
Speaker 5: the right target, as opposed to just drags you fast,
Speaker 5: because that, as I say, that.
Speaker 4: May be necessary.
Speaker 5: And you know, in the old Gunslinger movies it was
Speaker 5: whoever could draw fast and youoo fast would win. Not
Speaker 5: realistic in a lot of situations. Just food for thought.
Speaker 5: Love to get your take on that. All right, let's
Speaker 5: go pick up Noran on five out of Grant's Pass
Speaker 5: or no, let's talk three eighties.
Speaker 14: I have gone through a number of concealed carries, trying
Speaker 14: different things for different scenarios and particularly when I'm in
Speaker 14: the dress, you know, clothing, church or outings. I've gone
Speaker 14: to the Taurus. I've been through the Burretta that I've
Speaker 14: been through the even the Bursa thunder. And recently I
Speaker 14: was gifted older custom or cult Mustang pocket light. It's
Speaker 14: in a little nineteen eleven format, and I'll tell you
Speaker 14: what I really enjoy it. It is much It's kind
Speaker 14: of that middle size to where I can hang on
Speaker 14: to it well and still stay on target at you know,
Speaker 14: twenty feet thirty feet, I can still put it on plate.
Speaker 14: And it's a good conceive for dress clothing.
Speaker 5: And they're small. This is a small pistol. I've shot those.
Speaker 5: They shoot really well.
Speaker 14: I was I was immensely surprised at how easily it
Speaker 14: was to control it. And you know, I'm still getting
Speaker 14: used to it practicing with it. But by default. Now
Speaker 14: if I'm in dress clothing, it's my default to go
Speaker 14: to for a really nice kind of medium subcompact. I
Speaker 14: guess you'd still call it, but I mean a little
Speaker 14: shoulder holster or in the waistband dress clothing, a little
Speaker 14: vest on. You can't see it.
Speaker 5: You could even put that in like a little pocket
Speaker 5: holster and slide into a front past pocket.
Speaker 4: It would just disappear in there.
Speaker 14: Absolutely absolutely done that as well for a quick grab,
Speaker 14: you know, going into the big stores, and while it's
Speaker 14: in my duffel.
Speaker 4: You know, I was thinking about this.
Speaker 5: I think one of the reasons that that pistol shoots
Speaker 5: so well is because even though it's a small gun,
Speaker 5: it's got short sight radius and it's lightweight.
Speaker 4: Is it has such a good trigger.
Speaker 5: It's nineteen eleven, and so you're not disturbing the sites
Speaker 5: as much when you pull the trigger on that.
Speaker 14: What do you think, well, I would agree. I learned
Speaker 14: a lot of my pistol shooting on you know, forty
Speaker 14: five nineteen eleven and going to the other ones, you know,
Speaker 14: I learned to control them. But as soon as I
Speaker 14: put that nineteen you know, that Compact nineteen eleven in
Speaker 14: my hand. I went, no, this is this is this
Speaker 14: is what my hand likes, and my eyes.
Speaker 4: I've already been trained on it, right, right, it is interesting.
Speaker 5: Well that that's a really good recommendation. The other part
Speaker 5: of that solution or that package, is to make sure
Speaker 5: you're using good modern three eighty m On, we've got
Speaker 5: some really good defensive end of these days.
Speaker 4: What do you know, what are you carrying these days?
Speaker 14: Well, I load most all of my own, But when
Speaker 14: I am during that carry, I do the buyout and
Speaker 14: I do the hornity hollow points. I forget what their
Speaker 14: reference is for it, but I very specifically buy you know,
Speaker 14: a good quality.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good, that's good round, good carry, good good,
Speaker 4: good call.
Speaker 5: And you know, obviously you just make sure they run
Speaker 5: through your gun. Great call, Mormon, thank you for calling in.
Speaker 4: I love that take.
Speaker 5: I think that cult pocket Light or the Colt Pony,
Speaker 5: the Little Miniature nineteen eleven and three eighty is certainly viable.
Speaker 5: SIGG has kind of the same thing in the nine
Speaker 5: thirty eight. And then you've got a lot of these
Speaker 5: other ones. Let's just say the exemplified by the Smith
Speaker 5: and Western Bodyguard two point zero. Rugers got theirs. Others
Speaker 5: have the same ones. And the triggers on all these guns,
Speaker 5: even the striker fired guns, they've gotten so good. And
Speaker 5: I mean, I hate to say it, hate to have
Speaker 5: these words come out of my mouth, but honestly, the
Speaker 5: triggers on these guns are rivaling a nineteen eleven trigger
Speaker 5: these days.
Speaker 4: And why is that.
Speaker 5: Well, it's because we demand it. It's because we won't
Speaker 5: put up with bad triggers anymore. People are starting to
Speaker 5: figure out what good triggers are. And the more you shoot,
Speaker 5: the more you go, Huh, that's a crummy trigger. It's creepy,
Speaker 5: it's cruddy. It feels like somebody poor grit inside my gun.
Speaker 5: It's a long trigger pull, it's got three places it
Speaker 5: stops before it actually gets to the wall, and it
Speaker 5: actually goes off. I get shoot that when no one
Speaker 5: can shoot that. So people are demanding better triggers.
Speaker 4: I think said that.
Speaker 5: If you're pulling the trigger slowly and feeling all of that,
Speaker 5: you're kind of setting yourself up to shoot badly, as
Speaker 5: opposed to just pull the trigger, get on target and
Speaker 5: pull the trigger and I yank it, not jerk it,
Speaker 5: but just pull it and don't quite creep creep, creep creep,
Speaker 5: trying to find the perfect place before it goes off. Now,
Speaker 5: get the sites up on target, and don't worry all
Speaker 5: that much about where the sites are. They're gonna take
Speaker 5: care of themselves. Honestly, they really will. Your sites do
Speaker 5: not wobble off of the bullseye guarantee you. When you're
Speaker 5: aiming in and you're trying to make it just perfect,
Speaker 5: we're worried about perfect. Pull the trigger and pull it again,
Speaker 5: and pull it fast. Get the sights up where they're
Speaker 5: supposed to go. Try to press the trigger without disturbing
Speaker 5: the alignment of the sites. All right, let's go grab
Speaker 5: Zachary online one out of Arlington, Texas. Hey Zachary, thank
Speaker 5: you for calling in. What's on your mind?
Speaker 6: Hi?
Speaker 15: Tom, I'm calling about because I'm a new renter.
Speaker 16: I'm calling about tips.
Speaker 15: And tricks, things putting perspective leading up to the moment
Speaker 15: the guy breaks down the door. If I'm having a
Speaker 15: home intruder, Okay, what's your question. So theoretical scenario, guys
Speaker 15: at the door bing and I know he's going to
Speaker 15: get in.
Speaker 14: I already have my gun.
Speaker 15: I know that I have to shoot him, but what
Speaker 15: are some things I can do. Let's say week stays
Speaker 15: in advance. Just prepare for that kind of scenario that
Speaker 15: I can do as a new renter.
Speaker 5: Okay, first of all, go get a take a class somewhere. Seriously,
Speaker 5: take a class. It's the most important thing you can do.
Speaker 5: I don't care if it's a CLKA class or just
Speaker 5: a good class on defensive shooting. You will learn things there.
Speaker 5: Whe you're going to slap your head, go wow, I
Speaker 5: never thought of that. It'll happen over and over again.
Speaker 5: That is the most important thing you can do. I'm
Speaker 5: serious having said that, have a plan, know what you're
Speaker 5: gonna do. And this is where the classes come in.
Speaker 5: You can't shoot him before they break in the door,
Speaker 5: but you can get behind cover, whether it's behind a
Speaker 5: bed somewhere. And frankly, I wouldn't be standing in the
Speaker 5: living room. I'd go get behind a bed and be
Speaker 5: on the phone, call a nine one one. I'd make
Speaker 5: them come into my bedroom, you know what. And then
Speaker 5: they're coming through the door. You know what they call
Speaker 5: the door. They call it the fatal funnel because when
Speaker 5: he comes in there, you know exactly where he is,
Speaker 5: you know exactly what to do. And he's already broken
Speaker 5: into your house, so it's completely justifiable. The other thing
Speaker 5: you need, really need is a good powerful flashlight, and
Speaker 5: you need to know how to shoot while you're holding
Speaker 5: a flashlight.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 5: That goes back to getting some training and going to
Speaker 5: a class. And so please, please please don't think just
Speaker 5: because you have a gun that you have a solution.
Speaker 5: It is the tool, but it's not the software, it's
Speaker 5: not the knowledgy you need. And this is complicated. This
Speaker 5: stuff is not easy. And everything you know about guns
Speaker 5: that you've learned from the movies and from TV is
Speaker 5: wrong and some of them could get you hurt, and
Speaker 5: a lot of it will get you put in prison
Speaker 5: because you screwed things up. That's where a class is,
Speaker 5: whether it's a concealed carry class or a defensive class.
Speaker 4: It's worth the money, all right.
Speaker 5: So earlier I asked the question to needed somebody to
Speaker 5: explain to me this whole thing. I've using magnets or
Speaker 5: something to hold your gun to the underside of the
Speaker 5: dash of your car or to your console. Rusty's got
Speaker 5: a thought on that. He's called in from Straightford. Hey, Rusty,
Speaker 5: fill me in. What do you think of a long
Speaker 5: time listener.
Speaker 16: I think term of radio and heard talking about the magnets.
Speaker 12: I use them a lot.
Speaker 16: I've got them in allful vehicles. So I stepped in,
Speaker 16: I pulled it out of my belt, put on the
Speaker 16: magnet between my knees, and somebody walks up. You can
Speaker 16: have in your hand before they even know you moved.
Speaker 4: Even in my.
Speaker 16: House, I've got a full bait marble table down under
Speaker 16: each corner, the gun under each corner. I'm sitting there
Speaker 16: eating breakfast.
Speaker 14: I got a gun and reach you. No, So I
Speaker 14: love them.
Speaker 5: So you when you get in your car, you have
Speaker 5: to take a gun out of your holster and put
Speaker 5: it on the magnet. And then when you get back
Speaker 5: out of the car, you got to take it out
Speaker 5: of there and put it back in the holster.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 16: But the only thing is, you know, if you're setting
Speaker 16: in your car and you got a gun in your belt,
Speaker 16: it sometime might.
Speaker 7: Be hard to reach for me.
Speaker 13: And so I just stick it right there with the
Speaker 13: six inches.
Speaker 16: You know, you ride down the road one hand on
Speaker 16: your leg and you're not six inches from your gun.
Speaker 16: You know, without making any movement, you're loaded.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I just look at that and think, man,
Speaker 5: that's a lot of gun handling back and forth. And
Speaker 5: I guess maybe I have practiced enough to know I
Speaker 5: know how to draw. Of course, I carry a gun
Speaker 5: at the three o'clock position, and I know how to
Speaker 5: get back there and draw my gun and get it
Speaker 5: back out if I need it, and clearly if I
Speaker 5: see somebody coming, if I think I'm gonna need it,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get it out and have it in my hand.
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 5: The other thing I think about, let me ask you
Speaker 5: about this. If something happened and I got to bail
Speaker 5: out of that car in a hurry. We've had a wreck,
Speaker 5: something's going on.
Speaker 4: I got to go.
Speaker 5: I don't want to have to find the gun or
Speaker 5: worry about where it is. I know it's on my
Speaker 5: side if I have to get out in a hurry.
Speaker 13: Thoughts, Well, I carry my gun.
Speaker 16: I'm left handed. Uh, so I can carry my gun
Speaker 16: on my left side and puts my arm against the
Speaker 16: door of the vehicle, which gives me limited mobility. So yeah,
Speaker 16: and uh, I'm not sitting there with one leg my
Speaker 16: left hand on my leg all the time you want.
Speaker 16: When I'm driving, I'm not six inches from the gun.
Speaker 16: I can reach and grab it, not even move my shoulder.
Speaker 16: They don't even know if he made to move. That's
Speaker 16: what I like about him.
Speaker 14: Anyway.
Speaker 5: I did not even think about the left handed aspect
Speaker 5: of it. And yeah, you're right, your your arm is
Speaker 5: jammed up against the door and you don't have as much.
Speaker 4: Room, right huh.
Speaker 5: All right, Well think that's why I was asked. I said,
Speaker 5: all right, somebody explained this to me, and you have
Speaker 5: brought up a part of it. I just didn't think
Speaker 5: at all. And so Russie, thank you. I appreciate that. Okay,
Speaker 5: all right, we've got to give us some credit and
Speaker 5: some leeway on that one.
Speaker 4: It's not something I want to do.
Speaker 5: I'm not quite there, but I can see where he's
Speaker 5: coming from there. Okay, interesting, very good, Thank you, rush you.
Speaker 5: I appreciate the call. I may have been a little
Speaker 5: quick with our caller who has asked about a renter
Speaker 5: being a renter in the apartment. And one of the
Speaker 5: things I wanted to say is he said, well, you know,
Speaker 5: if a guy's kicking on the door, breaking the door,
Speaker 5: I know I'm gonna have to shoot him.
Speaker 7: Well maybe not.
Speaker 5: Let's back up. This is where the training comes in.
Speaker 5: If you start out thinking, I know I got to
Speaker 5: shoot this guy, then that's what you're gonna do. But
Speaker 5: if you say, okay, I have other tools in my
Speaker 5: toolbox that I can use, and it may be with
Speaker 5: that powerful flashlight and ask somebody skick it on the door,
Speaker 5: you can yell I have a gun. I have called
Speaker 5: the police. If you men here, I will shoot you.
Speaker 5: That's not a bad command. It's particularly a really good
Speaker 5: command if you're already on the phone with nine Poet
Speaker 5: one because they're recording the call. If you call them,
Speaker 5: told her what your address is. There's a guy kicking
Speaker 5: in the door, I need police now, and you stay
Speaker 5: on the phone and then they hear you saying don't
Speaker 5: come in.
Speaker 4: I have a gun.
Speaker 5: If you come in here, I'm gonna shoot you. I've
Speaker 5: already called the police. That's not a bad thing to
Speaker 5: have in the recording. So but starting off with the
Speaker 5: idea that well, if he comes to my house and
Speaker 5: kick to the door, I'm going to shoot him, or
Speaker 5: I want to try to avoid that at all possible,
Speaker 5: And if I can get him to stop by yelling
Speaker 5: at him, man, I'm all about that. That's a good day.
Speaker 5: Any day you don't have to shoot somebody. It's a
Speaker 5: good day, all right, So why do you miss. We're
Speaker 5: going to fill in the blanks for you.
Speaker 4: We're we come back.
Speaker 5: We're going to talk to an expert instructor who will
Speaker 5: tell you stop, ain't