Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's not Matt. We're all weekly
Speaker 1: rocking heavy music podcast and welcome here this Friday to
Speaker 1: another edition of Hyperblast, where we are with you every Friday,
Speaker 1: and we are letting you know what has been going
Speaker 1: on for the last seven days or so in the
Speaker 1: world of riffs and just plain old rocking out. Really,
Speaker 1: we are going to let you know the news stories
Speaker 1: that you're going to want to hear about our takes
Speaker 1: on them. We're going to give you the releases of
Speaker 1: the week as well, and a little bit later into
Speaker 1: this show, I'm also going to be talking about my
Speaker 1: adventures over the weekend where I went down to London
Speaker 1: for Incineration Festival, one of the big staple event in
Speaker 1: the calendar if you are into extreme and blast beats
Speaker 1: and the like. So that is what's on today's agenda.
Speaker 1: My name is Paren haysh across from me a real
Speaker 1: motley crew today. Hopefully you know more more I llegally
Speaker 1: abiding than that lot. Sam Dignon and Mark Sanderson, Hello,
Speaker 1: how are we doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All good.
Speaker 3: I haven't been to you know first, but I did
Speaker 3: see Sin against Sin last week.
Speaker 4: That was a fun, scary, hardcore gig where we were
Speaker 4: dodging blows to the head and people were getting knocked
Speaker 4: out in the second support band.
Speaker 1: Oh good time, very very good.
Speaker 2: OHI captain, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: Yes, very very good. Let us we'll get to you know,
Speaker 1: all the live music antics and all that a little
Speaker 1: bit later on in the show, but first of all,
Speaker 1: we're just going to kick it out with the news
Speaker 1: first of all, and topping us off on this this
Speaker 1: new story, we are going to talk about some new
Speaker 1: records that have been announced. I for you new tracks.
Speaker 1: First of all, I've definitely got the you know, the
Speaker 1: right crew here for it. There is the news that
Speaker 1: there is a new Cancer Bats album coming later this year.
Speaker 1: It's called Give Me Dirt. Which that's really what the
Speaker 1: Cancer Bats have been doing for the last like twenty
Speaker 1: years at this stage, right, They've given us a whole
Speaker 1: lot of dirt. It's coming out on August the seventh
Speaker 1: on Marshall Records, and there's a new track from it
Speaker 1: out as well, called Stay Stuck. It's their first album
Speaker 1: in four years Psychic Jail Break in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: which it does, you know, Countabats maybe feel like they're
Speaker 1: operating at a slightly slower based pace than they did,
Speaker 1: you know, in the twenty ten at their real peak
Speaker 1: of activity. But I remember that twenty twenty two album.
Speaker 1: I haven't gone back to it in a long time,
Speaker 1: but I remember being pretty fun and you know, like
Speaker 1: again exactly really what you'd be wanting Cantabats to be
Speaker 1: doing these days. As I said, I've definitely got I've
Speaker 1: got the counterbats contingent here to talk about this, so
Speaker 1: excited for four new Bats based off this particular.
Speaker 3: Track, Oh hell yeah.
Speaker 4: I hit player on this and I was like, oh, yeah, cool,
Speaker 4: this is Cancerbats doing what I want Cantabats to do.
Speaker 4: I actually went back and listened to that last album
Speaker 4: off the back of this track, and I was like, ah,
Speaker 4: that this album was a ripper. All Cansabats albums are rippers,
Speaker 4: and going off this track, I think this new one
Speaker 4: might be a ripper, like they're on those bands that.
Speaker 2: Because they have.
Speaker 4: Slowed down now, I don't maybe spend as much time
Speaker 4: with them as you know in the twenty tens, where
Speaker 4: I was seeing them every six months and like just
Speaker 4: having the like all cant Bats all the time, and
Speaker 4: I kind of do miss that. But at the same
Speaker 4: time them kind of being away a bit more speraically,
Speaker 4: it means when they come back, I really appreciate them again.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, ah, it's Cancer backs again and they're
Speaker 4: doing this song. Got you know, a big, bouncy fun
Speaker 4: Cansabats core has got a nasty sort of dirty riff.
Speaker 4: It's hard but fun and just live wire and it
Speaker 4: is exactly what I want Cansabats to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's funny because when they do come around, though,
Speaker 2: it feels like a little tweat because I feel like
Speaker 2: Cancer Bats are a band who we sort of take
Speaker 2: for granted or definitely you know, we're beginning to take
Speaker 2: for granted when they were just always around. But yeah,
Speaker 2: new song, great classic, you know, heavy, low end, punky,
Speaker 2: Cancer Bats and banger. Liam though has like an almost
Speaker 2: like aged, like more grit in his voice. There's something
Speaker 2: more rusty in his voice.
Speaker 1: Now as as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Corus, it is big and catchy. Like have
Speaker 2: we been listening to Cancer Bats since the last week pairing, Like,
Speaker 2: I was just so in the headspace for this and
Speaker 2: I've been listening to this lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have come out with the right time a
Speaker 1: maybe you know, I don't want to do down counter
Speaker 1: Bats because you know, damn look foot that record, but
Speaker 1: maybe slightly more interesting or you know, you just discuss
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, what we might expect from
Speaker 1: this band. Album also comes from Turnover, who have got
Speaker 1: a very quick turnaround on their album, which is kind
Speaker 1: of nice compared to getting, you know, seven singles from
Speaker 1: an album before it comes out. Turnover I have announced
Speaker 1: that their new record is gonna be coming at the
Speaker 1: end of this month, on May the twenty ninth. It's
Speaker 1: called Down on Earth, and there's two songs out from
Speaker 1: that called night Jar and I See You and Realize
Speaker 1: and Turnover. I think there was maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: in the air when last year they were doing the
Speaker 1: ten year anniversary run for perf Vision, and it felt
Speaker 1: like maybe if interest had, you know, for some fans
Speaker 1: gone elsewhere during the kind of interim years with Turnover
Speaker 1: while they explored more kind of experimental music and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. You know, it resurfaced last year a lot
Speaker 1: of time as people went down memory lane with with
Speaker 1: Peripheral Vision, and sometimes you kind of get that feeling
Speaker 1: that like those stars are going to align and I
Speaker 1: don't know, people are going to you know, all come
Speaker 1: back together again. And so I was curious, and I
Speaker 1: was like, is that going to you know, feed its
Speaker 1: way into the new Turnover record, Cause that was kind
Speaker 1: of the vibe of the game. And based on these
Speaker 1: two tracks that have come in from the New Turnover record,
Speaker 1: this is you know again, whether it's going to exactly
Speaker 1: hit people in the way that that you know, semin
Speaker 1: or one of those beloved records of its era will
Speaker 1: at the very least. These songs you stick them on
Speaker 1: and it feels like the Turnover that people immediately first
Speaker 1: think of when you say the word turnover are kind
Speaker 1: of clear an emo band. They're coming back.
Speaker 3: They're an emo band again.
Speaker 1: I can believe it.
Speaker 4: When I saw Hit playing these songs, I was because
Speaker 4: I quite like the kind of lounge music, like easy
Speaker 4: listening Turnover.
Speaker 3: I think that there's some cool stuff on there.
Speaker 4: But when you hear this and it's it does sound
Speaker 4: kind of like a sort of cozy, like nice pair
Speaker 4: of jeans that you just like comforting to put on
Speaker 4: and you just feel good in, and like, yeah, it
Speaker 4: kind of slips so easily back into that like really
Speaker 4: somber warm emo tone that they're doing.
Speaker 3: I think these two songs are are great.
Speaker 4: I'm like cool Turnover like, I mean, clearly they wanted to,
Speaker 4: you know, express themselves in different ways, experiment and try
Speaker 4: different things. I think that's great and potentially is that
Speaker 4: sort of thing where Revision prefer Vision got them in
Speaker 4: the headspace to sort of write that kind of music again.
Speaker 4: And what I think is nice about these songs is
Speaker 4: it doesn't just kind of feel like chasing for at Vision,
Speaker 4: even if it is kind of moving back in that direction,
Speaker 4: it still feels like kind of like a current Turnover
Speaker 4: sort of take on that that more emo sound. So
Speaker 4: I think these two songs are really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah I have I definitely listen to every Turnover album,
Speaker 2: but I don't remember what they sound like at all.
Speaker 2: I just remember how sort of relaxed and sleepy they
Speaker 2: made me. So when I put these songs on and
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, yeah, that's Turnover whatever completely forgetting
Speaker 2: what they sounded like a few years ago. They've just
Speaker 2: got a consistent sort of ability to soothe I guess,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's not peripheral Vision sort
Speaker 2: of level of songwriting or hookiness, but it's a classic
Speaker 2: Turnover relaxing Listen. I think they're pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the song night Jar definitely off the
Speaker 1: two of them that feels like classic, reliable, you know what,
Speaker 1: you're a member of them. Turn Out It basically sounds
Speaker 1: like they're picking up exactly where you know, the last
Speaker 1: record in that style, Good Nature, really left off. It's
Speaker 1: the second of the two tracks that's really up my
Speaker 1: alley with that kind of like more like slightly peppy
Speaker 1: eighties guitar line. It hasn't it. That is a flavor.
Speaker 1: I really like this kind of thing. So you know,
Speaker 1: the combination of those things together are very reliable, you know,
Speaker 1: as you say, cozy, nice pair of Jeenes type turn
Speaker 1: of a track and then one that ears again in
Speaker 1: this kind of you know, emo rock vein but with
Speaker 1: a little bit more spark in it maybe has been
Speaker 1: like really, you know, I was curious. Now I am
Speaker 1: looking forward to the turnover because you know, this band,
Speaker 1: when they were in this kind of era are one
Speaker 1: of my favorites of like that era and that lane
Speaker 1: of you know, emo and alternative rock and stuff, and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't get many records a year in
Speaker 1: that style that really do you know, tickle my fancy
Speaker 1: so much, so absolutely, hell yeah, I'll welcome Turnover, you know,
Speaker 1: walking back into that lane. And I think both these
Speaker 1: tracks are very promising for that And like I said,
Speaker 1: it's coming out right at end this month, May twenty nine. Weirdly, Sam,
Speaker 1: like you're about to go away for a little bit,
Speaker 1: and all the alternative rock bands that we would norbably
Speaker 1: be talking about, they're all choosing to release their records
Speaker 1: like in this window. So we'll have to see which
Speaker 1: ones we do in your absence and which ones we
Speaker 1: like put on the boiler until they come back.
Speaker 4: In fairness, the turn On coming right at the end
Speaker 4: of the month means it probably would land in the.
Speaker 1: Next It does likely. It's just that the next few
Speaker 1: weeks they are you know, quite quite actually, you know,
Speaker 1: sometime we go through dry spells with this stuff. But
Speaker 1: the next few weeks do have like you know, some
Speaker 1: emo may yeah, absolutely ema very you know again a
Speaker 1: nice lot of promising run if that's what you're into.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Turnover end of the month, and I would
Speaker 1: start getting excited about now if you are like a
Speaker 1: classic era Turnover fan, because that like looks what it's
Speaker 1: going to be dialing into there is another new track
Speaker 1: that I just thought I would, you know, throw a
Speaker 1: mention here because I was curious about it. Emotionless in
Speaker 1: White but a song this week featuring at Corey Taylor
Speaker 1: on a guest vocal. Not a you know, any stranger
Speaker 1: to guest vocals, but I do always like to check
Speaker 1: them out, even sometimes when it's bands I don't care
Speaker 1: about at all, like when he features on a tonight
Speaker 1: a live song or whatever. I'd be like our Corey
Speaker 1: Taylor's appeared or peppin obviously at the real great at
Speaker 1: that end of that, you've got you know, the likes
Speaker 1: of the code or in songs and stuff that he's
Speaker 1: been on. But Mostless in White, one of the you know,
Speaker 1: biggest metical bands of their era, Corey Taylor appears on
Speaker 1: the track. The track is called Playing God. This song
Speaker 1: made me laugh in the first five seconds of it
Speaker 1: because I'm not a Boatless and White fan. And as
Speaker 1: we have discussed, I remember we did an album Roulette
Speaker 1: thingla Halloween one and new picked like was it Carny
Speaker 1: Sam Like I know that people readly like the first
Speaker 1: couple of Mostless and White records. I'm like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of indifferent on them, but for the last
Speaker 1: like ten going on fifteen years now, Mostless and White
Speaker 1: are the impersonation jukebox band. And that's particularly true when
Speaker 1: they have guest vocals. Like there's the song with Danny
Speaker 1: Filth where they go and do their Cradle of Filth.
Speaker 1: There's just recently on the Corn special we were doing,
Speaker 1: we checked into there's a Motionless and White song which
Speaker 1: has Jonathan Davis when guest vocals, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we have to do a Corn song, and this like
Speaker 1: weird instinct they do of like do they target the
Speaker 1: guest vocalist first and then write a song based around them,
Speaker 1: or do they just do a very flavored impersonation and go, oh,
Speaker 1: we know it sounds like this, we might as well,
Speaker 1: you know, make it extra redundant by getting the person involved.
Speaker 1: Emoses of White Corey Taylor song and I put it on.
Speaker 1: In the second those breakbeats came in. I just it
Speaker 1: fully got me because like, you cheeky fuckers, you've done
Speaker 1: it again. And then the slip stomp that dude dad
Speaker 1: comes in, and without fail, every time they are just
Speaker 1: like the fancy dress band.
Speaker 4: It cracked me up when that when that happened hit playing,
Speaker 4: I was and I said, the break beats and the
Speaker 4: slip not riff of the stomp and all that. Like,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, you still you're still doing
Speaker 4: this because again I have largely been checked out with
Speaker 4: Most and White ever since you know, puts on the
Speaker 4: fourth or fifth album when they started to give it
Speaker 4: rubbish and and like particularly redundant. I do still like
Speaker 4: the first three records, but here in this and then
Speaker 4: just doing a slip of song but then kind of
Speaker 4: getting Corey tailored to sing a lump and modern metal
Speaker 4: court octane chorus.
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, this is really good.
Speaker 4: Like Cory Taylor one, like the verses when he's going
Speaker 4: hard sounds like you know what you want to kind
Speaker 4: of a hard Corey.
Speaker 3: Taylor vocaling to do.
Speaker 4: But that on top of this being another melkor song
Speaker 4: about being mad at Twitter and online critics, I was like, guys,
Speaker 4: you've got to get over it, all of these medical bands,
Speaker 4: get over what people winge about online because you just
Speaker 4: look gotten to and that's that.
Speaker 3: That's just the vibe of this song.
Speaker 4: It's a carry Oki slip knock kind of like track
Speaker 4: that's got a couple of decent moments, but for the
Speaker 4: most part just doesn't sound ever particularly convincing to me.
Speaker 2: No, this this song would go hard on a Call
Speaker 2: of Duty trailer from fifteen years ago, Like this song
Speaker 2: is so wang. It's like and not that motionless and
Speaker 2: white or you know, bastions of lyrical quality, but half
Speaker 2: the song being like fuck off, just fuck right off.
Speaker 2: I hate you, fuck off. I'm really cross at you.
Speaker 2: It's so like, are you a toddler? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I put this song on and it is just like
Speaker 2: listening to an AI generated slipknot song, and before Corey
Speaker 2: Taylor came in, I was like, why am I listening
Speaker 2: to this? I'm already bored. And then Corey Taylor comes
Speaker 2: in and it sounds like a real song for a second,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know most of this and white. I
Speaker 2: really like Creatures because I'm shameless and from twenty twenty
Speaker 2: to ten. But they're one of the worst bands, right,
Speaker 2: They're so bad.
Speaker 1: They're one of the worst bands to be as big
Speaker 1: as they are. But just yeah, it's just amused me
Speaker 1: to no end when they do the karaoke is exactly
Speaker 1: the right term Sam and you know what happens then
Speaker 1: is they take whatever impersonation they're doing and then they
Speaker 1: stick a motionless in white chorus in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: and you remember why you don't listen to them. But
Speaker 1: the rest of it is just so like blatant that,
Speaker 1: like I said, the second those breakdoaughs came in, I
Speaker 1: just started just chuckling because it's just so funny. And
Speaker 1: elsewhere you might be interested. The sludge metal band Gut,
Speaker 1: who are like a you know, longtime part of the
Speaker 1: UK scene. They're like a party sludge band and you're
Speaker 1: prety frivolous. But they have put out featuring none other
Speaker 1: than Black Myst from the Hell, a cover of the
Speaker 1: nineties dance classic No Limit by two Unlimited. So if
Speaker 1: you wanted to hear Black Mys going no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, it's not available to you.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it's taken this long for this to happen.
Speaker 4: When plan exactly what like a kind of like party
Speaker 4: sludge metal version of No Limit would sound like with Hell,
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, coll this is like again the
Speaker 4: Noven kind of wore by about two minutes in. But
Speaker 4: I did I did get didn't get a chuckle out
Speaker 4: of me on the first listen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so right, some lineup band news. This is the
Speaker 1: we've got, you know, someone coming to a band and
Speaker 1: someone leaving a band. The former part is the stranger one.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe more go a. Dragon Force have added
Speaker 1: a new addition to their lineup, a new vocalist, and
Speaker 1: this made me kind of turn my head at first,
Speaker 1: car I was like, what happened to the last guy,
Speaker 1: Mark Cuttoner, But he's still there, right, They've now got
Speaker 1: two vocalists. So alongside Mark, they have added a Lissa
Speaker 1: White Glues, the until recently Arch Enemy singer who also
Speaker 1: you know, after leaving Arch Enemy, has launched like a
Speaker 1: solo career. You's got some other bands and stuff going on.
Speaker 1: But out of the blue, she is apparently joining Dragon Force,
Speaker 1: and I can't I'm not entirely if this is like
Speaker 1: a run where she's going to just do like guest
Speaker 1: vocals for like this particular run, because I think they're
Speaker 1: about to embark on a twentieth half Anniverse three in
Speaker 1: human rampage right now. I don't know, she's just like
Speaker 1: appearing to add extra vocals to that or something or
Speaker 1: if how like how long for the foreseeable this would
Speaker 1: be but really really bizarre news. Didn't know where to
Speaker 1: kind of start with. It turns out I had missed this.
Speaker 1: But Dragon Force's most recent album, which mark you will
Speaker 1: remember with her much fondness, Like, at some point after that,
Speaker 1: they put out like a deluxe special edition as bands
Speaker 1: sometimes do with extra songs, and there's a version of
Speaker 1: a song from that, unfortunately not the Space Marion's one,
Speaker 1: but they put but they put out a version of
Speaker 1: a song featuring Alyssa on it. Yeah, but now like
Speaker 1: a year after that, she's randomly joining the band fully.
Speaker 2: I guess I think that is fully because she's been
Speaker 2: talking about like the writing a record, So I guess
Speaker 2: like she's just mad in dragon Force. If dragon Force
Speaker 2: one really bad now and that would be more in well,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe because I did listen to that,
Speaker 2: I am intrigued. Yeah, I did listen to the song
Speaker 2: that she was on previously, and it does inject a
Speaker 2: bit more energy and a bit more bite, as it
Speaker 2: would having someone who's got such a great harsh full call.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, dragon Force been really bad at writing
Speaker 2: hooks and choruses, recently. So if they just sort of
Speaker 2: flip the other way and go, well, we're just going
Speaker 2: to be more extreme and more heavy, maybe that's I
Speaker 2: don't know, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 4: You know the That's what I would hope if they're
Speaker 4: going to do an album, is they go down a
Speaker 4: sort of a bit more of a harsher kind of
Speaker 4: like route, because you'd make that makes it a listed
Speaker 4: being in the band. But yeah, to me, Dragon Force
Speaker 4: have kind of like fallen into like novelty.
Speaker 3: Band that I just don't care about in recent years.
Speaker 4: And this is the first bit of Dragon Force news
Speaker 4: I've gone, Wow, that that's that's That's not the kind
Speaker 4: of shit I expect from them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know if this and I say
Speaker 1: this with no judgment because you know, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know if having left Arch Enemy,
Speaker 1: she needs like a regular touring gig right to you know,
Speaker 1: pay the bill and all that. I don't know whether
Speaker 1: it is just like this weird happenstance of like you
Speaker 1: get this really random, amazing opportunity to join Dragon Force
Speaker 1: for however long she decided to be in the band.
Speaker 1: I definitely I would be curious about a record to
Speaker 1: year they're not would you know, putting stock into that
Speaker 1: suddenly being like, oh my god, it's gonna be the
Speaker 1: best Dragon Force album in twenty years or some shit.
Speaker 1: But just to be curious is what the results of
Speaker 1: it are, because it does again out of all the
Speaker 1: things where you go, oh list is out of arch enemy.
Speaker 1: Very low on the bingo card of things to do
Speaker 1: afterwards would be joining Dragon Force as not even a
Speaker 1: primary you know, for a woman, but a co Vocalist's
Speaker 1: very strange, but again head turning news nonethelesson I guess
Speaker 1: we'll stay tuned. And also again on the flip side
Speaker 1: of someone leaving a band solitude of turners who are
Speaker 1: the very legendary cult but super influential. I regularly name
Speaker 1: drop when we're reviewing basically trad doom records, so when
Speaker 1: we talk about Spirit a Drift recently or like crypt Sermon,
Speaker 1: these type bands as you turn as along with a
Speaker 1: candle mass, so maybe a little bit more internationally famous.
Speaker 1: I want to let the real like standard bearers of
Speaker 1: that there frontman Rob Low, who was also was weirdly
Speaker 1: the frontman in can Master for a little wile, but
Speaker 1: he's been maybe removed I don't know, from the band,
Speaker 1: and that is strange because he's like their guy, He's
Speaker 1: like the main vocals they've had. So very curious and
Speaker 1: unfortunately Solciter Turners don't really appear over here, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll ever get to see that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: just curious. Strange news goes on in the in the
Speaker 1: underground of you know, lineups coming and going. Let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about Scowl who. I saw this headline
Speaker 1: and I kind of had a moment of realization. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, you haven't been around, like for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I because there was so maybe it's because
Speaker 1: the first half of last year obviously, Yeah, when they
Speaker 1: put the record out, the next album, they were as
Speaker 1: you'd expect on the band Who's You were released in
Speaker 1: a really hotly tipped album. They were very much around
Speaker 1: and they were everywhere. But I kind of didn't twig
Speaker 1: that for the last sort of six months or so
Speaker 1: they'd gone completely a woll and we hadn't you know,
Speaker 1: his complete radio silence basically, But Scowl have come out
Speaker 1: and Cap Moss, the front woman, has come out basically
Speaker 1: saying that they are currently on a you know we
Speaker 1: don't know how long it will be, but they are
Speaker 1: certainly on for the moment a break and she's describing
Speaker 1: that as kind of basically a result of emotional burnout,
Speaker 1: which sometimes when bands get as big as quickly as
Speaker 1: Scowl did. I think you can understand that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's quite a lot to adjust to suddenly being propelled
Speaker 1: to you know, having so many eyes on you and
Speaker 1: all of that, and you know, some other stuff going
Speaker 1: on in their personal lives as well. But yeah, again,
Speaker 1: because there was a moment of realization for me, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Scowl like it did after the initial role
Speaker 1: out of the album kind of did disappear for the
Speaker 1: like the second half of last year obviously the beginning
Speaker 1: of this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was when they started canceling like a lot
Speaker 4: of European and UK too, Like they poured out of
Speaker 4: Outbreak this year.
Speaker 3: I was kind of like, yeah, thinking someone was up.
Speaker 4: I think they pulled out of two thousand Trees as
Speaker 4: well that but like they were they were like dropping
Speaker 4: off dates and and I think it's a thing where
Speaker 4: like they've been on tour kind of endlessly since everything
Speaker 4: came back from COVID, Like, yeah, twenty twenty two. They've
Speaker 4: been over here every year like every couple, like every
Speaker 4: so many months, and that enclosed you know, concent trolling
Speaker 4: in the US. So I think that that that combine
Speaker 4: them with, as I say, some of the other more
Speaker 4: person things that Kat kind of goes into on this
Speaker 4: podcast you did where like that is going to you know,
Speaker 4: take its toll, And I think it's one of the
Speaker 4: things that rather than kind of burn the band out completely,
Speaker 4: it's it's a good idea to hit the brakes. I
Speaker 4: think it's shame it's off the back of like say,
Speaker 4: my favorite record from last year, one of my favorite
Speaker 4: kind of like Amazon Musy is just an amazing sort
Speaker 4: of punk rock record to sort of not be able
Speaker 4: to really keep that momentum going. But for the hope,
Speaker 4: for the for the good of the band, they can
Speaker 4: kind of like like refocus, kind of refresh themselves and
Speaker 4: come back better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very much with for all the reasons involved
Speaker 1: that everyone like you know, takes the right reasons to
Speaker 1: be like, okay, step back for a little bit. But
Speaker 1: I do hope that you know, maybe in a I
Speaker 1: don't want to put any time frame on it, but
Speaker 1: you maybe done next year or something. We could be
Speaker 1: seeing Scout resurface. But yeah, again, they have vanished from
Speaker 1: the limelight for now, but we'll see when they return.
Speaker 1: Torn News Live News of five Things that bunch have
Speaker 1: added a big UK and a European arena run. The
Speaker 1: support bill is what maybe the T and M faith
Speaker 1: will be the most interested here. Lamb of God and
Speaker 1: belief within opening them which is a very hearty, meaty
Speaker 1: sledgehammer opening to If I think a Death Pinch show,
Speaker 1: isn't it? Oh that'd be so good, Like you'd be
Speaker 1: having a great time the whole way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. There's been so much horrible stuff going on
Speaker 2: in the discord, lots of slander against five figure Death
Speaker 2: Punch as if they're not as sick as hell live band,
Speaker 2: you cannot like they're recorded.
Speaker 1: I've never seen them live, so you know the squid.
Speaker 2: I know the squid. Honestly, mate, you'd be a knucklehead
Speaker 2: within seconds.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: I went into the metallgashow skeptical and I came out
Speaker 2: and being like, yeah, fuck it, cam me, knucklehead, you
Speaker 2: know you can.
Speaker 4: Suck my I just can't believe they're still doing you know,
Speaker 4: the Otero arena over here.
Speaker 3: I genuinely thought, like their present over in the UK
Speaker 3: did any uctually?
Speaker 4: Can I know they've got you know, a big supporting
Speaker 4: bills that's probably gonna help. But I was like, like,
Speaker 4: does the UK still care about five things as much
Speaker 4: and that much? Because you know, they don't get booked
Speaker 4: for download anymore. They're not you know, the eternal second
Speaker 4: or third from the top of the main stage download
Speaker 4: band that they were in this sort of twenty ten
Speaker 4: students or of the peak of their popularity.
Speaker 3: But maybe there's still that that knucklehead.
Speaker 4: Silent majority over here, that mark is proudly like banging
Speaker 4: the drum.
Speaker 2: For when is the last time they were over here?
Speaker 1: That's sadly not information that I kept.
Speaker 4: This is you You would have to tell us that, yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel like download not around here.
Speaker 1: Apparently the last time they played Download Festival was in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, which is nearly ten years ago. That's mad.
Speaker 1: How when did they vanish from that bill without the
Speaker 1: ever you know, tweaking on too, the fact that they
Speaker 1: weren't there anymore, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They used to always do that.
Speaker 2: Dang, there's time to come back. This is the big comeback.
Speaker 2: Maybe a play for the top of the stage.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a renaissance. I don't know, but there you go.
Speaker 1: Lamb good andre with enjoying that that's happened in January
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty seven. Of course, later in this year,
Speaker 1: Devin Townsend is also returning to the touring circuit. He said,
Speaker 1: I think maybe a little bit of a year ago
Speaker 1: that he was kind of taking a break from touring,
Speaker 1: and I guess that maybe this is just like sometimes
Speaker 1: you your year passes and you don't think about someone,
Speaker 1: but in their life, taking a year off is a really,
Speaker 1: really long time. I don't know, but Devin towns enough
Speaker 1: to say that he was stepping out from touring, is
Speaker 1: re emerging to tour in the UK and Europe later
Speaker 1: this year September into October. This is for his The
Speaker 1: Moth album that's coming out. I think at the end
Speaker 1: of this month in the UK is it's kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, the European dates like take up the middle
Speaker 1: chunk of this tour. But in the UK he's playing Birmingham, Bath, Southampton, Exeter, London,
Speaker 1: and then like a month later when he reappears in
Speaker 1: the UK Brighton, Cardiff, Glasgow, Manchester and Leeds and really
Speaker 1: strange tour annoucement. It says it's from it's doing stuff
Speaker 1: from all of his projects, from Punky Brewster through all
Speaker 1: the way through to modern day Devin Townsend. This sounds
Speaker 1: actually mental when you look at the the bands are
Speaker 1: listed right. Obviously we all know the different bands have
Speaker 1: been in strapping Young lad Casualties of Cool get a
Speaker 1: mentioned here like if this is a proper like cross
Speaker 1: project career spanning Devin's set list, that sounds fucking mad.
Speaker 1: Punky Brewster getting a mention in twenty twenty six, there's
Speaker 1: not something I think anyone what we're gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I wonder if you'll do any of his dark ambient
Speaker 2: songs from the two dozen.
Speaker 1: I hope so I take a half hour detour to
Speaker 1: turn into like a Boris set. That would be good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, late late this year September October, Devin Towns
Speaker 1: are returning to touring. Very you know, interesting announcement here.
Speaker 1: Olivia Rodrigo, not someone that we usually tend to talk about.
Speaker 1: She has added like fucking I think by the time
Speaker 1: this podcast goes out a thousand more will have been added.
Speaker 1: Dates at the London's O tem Arena and nowhere else,
Speaker 1: and my like you know, social media timeline had been
Speaker 1: full of Olivia Rodriguez fans like absolutely fucking livid that
Speaker 1: upon repeatedly selling out the O to Arena, she is
Speaker 1: just adding more and more dates rather than going anywhere
Speaker 1: else in the UK. Legitimately, I think at this stage
Speaker 1: there are nine dates across about fifteen days in just
Speaker 1: the O two arena, adding a new and every time
Speaker 1: it sells out, and never adding anything in any other city.
Speaker 1: And to all those people who are that angry, I
Speaker 1: completely concur with you. I think it's genuinely disgraceful, shameful
Speaker 1: behavior to expect fans from all like you're the fucking multimillionaire,
Speaker 1: like you go to them, Go book the co Op
Speaker 1: in Manchester, go play Glasgow, go somewhere else, and don't
Speaker 1: expect fans from you know, everywhere, from like Wales to
Speaker 1: Scotland to you know, fucking the Southwest whatever to pay
Speaker 1: hundreds of pounds that for you are just like a
Speaker 1: drop in the fucking ocean to go and you know,
Speaker 1: go to the big city and fucking buy trains of commodation.
Speaker 1: It is genuinely this trend that's happening. I've seen it
Speaker 1: happen with pop artists a lot of just adding these
Speaker 1: like residencies in London and going nowhere else is so fun, lame,
Speaker 1: absolute poser, bitch ass behavior. But the reason we're talking
Speaker 1: about this at all is that the main support act
Speaker 1: for Olivia Drigo has announced is Dishpits, the kind of
Speaker 1: alternative rock band who we review their album last year,
Speaker 1: and since we reviewed that record at the end of
Speaker 1: last year, sometime they have like popped up a lot.
Speaker 1: They played I think they played Corchella, didn't they, which
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily too you know, unusual for a popular rock band,
Speaker 1: but they were there.
Speaker 3: A trendy rock band to do that. Yeah, that may it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're also supporting the Foo Fighters on their dates
Speaker 1: over here and now being added as the support act
Speaker 1: for like one of the as I say, the main
Speaker 1: pop girls, right, Dishbits are a pretty heavy band for
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Like when we reviewed it, we
Speaker 1: were like, these are songs outsword that have mastered on
Speaker 1: rifts in them. Why have they been given like the
Speaker 1: keys to the Kingdom. This happens where you get these
Speaker 1: like corporately. I don't want to say a point, you know, creative,
Speaker 1: they are, but anointed where it's like you are one
Speaker 1: who are allowed to play everything like you for some
Speaker 1: reason in a world that people don't really care about,
Speaker 1: certainly sludge metal. Right, we're gonna like the bands get
Speaker 1: given the keys to appear on everything. But it's happening
Speaker 1: this time with a band who I said are genuinely
Speaker 1: capable of being quite gutta really heavy, and it's really
Speaker 1: weird that it's now going this far wherey're supporting Olivia Rodrigo.
Speaker 1: It's not even like it like metal. It's like swords
Speaker 1: and sludge riffs like metal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The thing is obviously the bigger pill of them is
Speaker 4: that is that with the kind of like the pop
Speaker 4: and the alt rock kind of like vocals and all
Speaker 4: that stuff. And that's the thing that again really made
Speaker 4: us quite fond of the album, was this cool blend
Speaker 4: of ideas. But like again I could I could understand
Speaker 4: them spoiling food fires. I'm pretty sure you know, Like
Speaker 4: obviously like gouge Way did that Mannekin pussy.
Speaker 3: I think I've done that before.
Speaker 4: Like that, there's a TSI fans to get that sort
Speaker 4: of thing, but this is like a step further of
Speaker 4: like I say, going out with one of the big
Speaker 4: pop girlies, Like who knows, you might see just spits
Speaker 4: on the next Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3: I would love that, Like.
Speaker 2: This is mad. Like I saw the food Floaters thing
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: And then when you can see it Olivia Rodrigo one
Speaker 2: was announced, I was like, hold on if I confused
Speaker 2: this band with another one? Like I was like, did
Speaker 2: I get them confused with Venona Fighter? Like but though
Speaker 2: it is the same, you know, slodgie riffs, heavy band,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if they're gonna go over well
Speaker 2: with Olivia Rodrigal fans, but that doesn't even matter to me,
Speaker 2: just the fact that they're there and being put in
Speaker 2: front of them. It's really Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 1: And like Olivia Rodrigo of all the you know, big
Speaker 1: like proper major league pop stars, she does have like
Speaker 1: a very there's a nineties rock sort of slant in
Speaker 1: nostalgia to like Naughty's rock you know when Good for
Speaker 1: You as massive and it was just a parabole song,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like there is so if
Speaker 1: anyone is gonna do it of those, you know, it
Speaker 1: makes more sense doing it Olivia Drigo than it would
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift for example, or fucking Lady Garca or whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm not like, if it's gonna have to happen for someone,
Speaker 1: I'm not stunned, see Olivia Drigo. Of all people pick
Speaker 1: a band like Dispits, But like I said, it's just
Speaker 1: who are the fan base for this band? This is
Speaker 1: really curious me because like we review the album, we're like,
Speaker 1: this is good, like for again, a band who are
Speaker 1: getting these kind of you know, uh, this kind of
Speaker 1: hype and this buzz around them in like more than
Speaker 1: just our scene, Like this one does seem pretty credible
Speaker 1: musically and pretty legit. But I am fascinated so like
Speaker 1: the people who they've been put in front of what
Speaker 1: other things that Dispits fans are into, you know, because
Speaker 1: they don't seem to outside of the Foo fighters, right,
Speaker 1: they don't seem to be playing that many major rock tours.
Speaker 1: They are peering at all these like fucking enormous major
Speaker 1: label type you know showcases, which is just yeah, doing
Speaker 1: it with their riffs is bizarre.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're selling out their own shows, like like
Speaker 4: they will do in the Underward and that got upgraded
Speaker 4: and so they are like do they have people are
Speaker 4: like going to see them at their own things. So
Speaker 4: perhaps they are winning people over at these as you say,
Speaker 4: the anointed, big yeah, big shows.
Speaker 3: That them on.
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll work out well for them if they're playing
Speaker 2: in front of pissed off people who've traveled four hundred
Speaker 2: miles to go to London. Absolutely human and then you
Speaker 2: hear those riffs, that'd be perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. If we can create some kind of pipeline
Speaker 1: to get the you know, despitz fans at the live
Speaker 1: Rodrigue shows into I don't know, the acid bath shows
Speaker 1: that are happening, Like somewhere there is a line that
Speaker 1: makes some weird musical hets there get them really into
Speaker 1: high on fire. Well, let's see where it goes. I'm
Speaker 1: very curious of again, how where there's oldershpits you know,
Speaker 1: Saga carries them. But they are currently going to be
Speaker 1: spotting a Lidia Rodrigo at the twelve thousand dates exclusively
Speaker 1: happening inside the capital of this country. Right. Steve Evatts,
Speaker 1: the producer producer Extrawsannair has done everything from Dead Guy
Speaker 1: to the Wonder Years. He's one of the most like
Speaker 1: regularly you see his name pop up all the time
Speaker 1: just on sick bands records really unfortunately use that his
Speaker 1: studio Belleville, His studio is unfortunately burned down in a
Speaker 1: really large fire in New Jersey. I know there's a
Speaker 1: go fund me up there and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: you know, again, someone who has worked on many, many records,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you have enjoyed so you know, well wishes
Speaker 1: to him in terms of getting back up on his
Speaker 1: feet and see more records from his studio when it
Speaker 1: is you know, back in action hopefully coming through. But
Speaker 1: if there is some bad news, there's also some potentially
Speaker 1: good news. People think Greta van Fleet is going to
Speaker 1: be splitting up because Greta van Fleet have put out
Speaker 1: a like teaser post that just says thanks for the
Speaker 1: wild ride with all of their names listening underneath them,
Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, apparently they've been doing like
Speaker 1: side projects stuff the last couple years. It does feel
Speaker 1: like it's been kind of quiet on the you know
Speaker 1: them being you know, pushed in front of everyone's fate front.
Speaker 1: But people have a theory think possibly the Greavan Fleet
Speaker 1: might be calling it a day, and like I, I
Speaker 1: even like the odd Gretavanthleet song like Highway Tune is
Speaker 1: a tune. I'm not a monster, but I think probably
Speaker 1: for the wider good of the world, it's probably for
Speaker 1: the best that they disappear.
Speaker 3: This is how I found out they hadn't already broken
Speaker 3: up again.
Speaker 4: I'd not thought about gret Van Fleet for so long,
Speaker 4: it's been a minute. They were not they Like we
Speaker 4: reviewed that last out, that horrible last album again earlier
Speaker 4: in my time on the podcast, and I have not
Speaker 4: thought about them since then. I thought they were because
Speaker 4: no one talks about it anymore, that kind of led
Speaker 4: Zeppelin worships or thing. It's so not the flavor anymore.
Speaker 4: I thought they were done. And this is how I
Speaker 4: find out. No, they they were actually still going this
Speaker 4: whole time, and they might be finally splitting up like
Speaker 4: we can hard.
Speaker 2: I don't know, knowing our lock, they'll be aping the
Speaker 2: seventies band so hard that they'll do an Aerosmith esque
Speaker 2: ten year of farewell to They'll just keep.
Speaker 1: Extending yeah, repeatedly, do kisses and just like emerge again
Speaker 1: and again and again.
Speaker 2: But this is our last show to dolphins.
Speaker 1: They're all enjoying it. They're clapping their flippers like squeaking
Speaker 1: at the response. And then we're going to move on
Speaker 1: to the Chipmunk, so we will not stop until we
Speaker 1: have done our Anyway, there you go, let's move on
Speaker 1: Patreon over on. That's this week upcoming. We are going
Speaker 1: to be continuing. I mentioned our corn special earlier. Part
Speaker 1: one has been up there for a couple weeks, but
Speaker 1: we are going to be The next thing on our
Speaker 1: horizon is we will be doing part two, moving into
Speaker 1: the real peak new metal years of them being like
Speaker 1: fucking superstars and everything with that middle run of late
Speaker 1: nineties into the early noughties records. But in between these parts,
Speaker 1: we have just done our latest album, club Pack, which
Speaker 1: saw a little of contentious discussion between you, you and
Speaker 1: I Sam based on some of the greatest music ever.
Speaker 1: But we also spoke about the likes of Brimie, the Rises,
Speaker 1: count Your Blessings, reassessing that after twenty years and the
Speaker 1: again the ups and downs of just its reputation over
Speaker 1: the years. Very fascinating to talk that about. I Am
Speaker 1: really plays about how when we did the art party,
Speaker 1: and what I was secretly hoping with this, and it
Speaker 1: does seem to be the case, is that going back
Speaker 1: to municipal waste the art partying, people would just start
Speaker 1: thinking about all those neo retro thrash bands in general
Speaker 1: and digging up bands being I haven't listened to that,
Speaker 1: you know, that Havoc record or that Gamma Bomb record
Speaker 1: since twenty eleven or whatever, And at least in terms
Speaker 1: of our discord, that does seem to be the discussion
Speaker 1: right now. It's just people reliving all of those memories
Speaker 1: and that era, which was again maybe a formative era
Speaker 1: for some good times, had their really fun discussing that record,
Speaker 1: and we also spoke about the debut rolative Massy Records
Speaker 1: became more going about down memory lane with Nintendo since
Speaker 1: and the like. Again, ups and downs in the in
Speaker 1: the podcast itself, but I think it was a rewarding
Speaker 1: and enjoyable, entertaining journey for us all to go down
Speaker 1: in the end, Wasn't it?
Speaker 4: Only one of us got personal, It's all I'm going
Speaker 4: to say, one of us trying to keep there. Chris
Speaker 4: was entirely professional and just and just be honest, And.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to hold up a mirror. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to hold up a mirror. Yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 3: It was like, I am happy for you and Elliott.
Speaker 4: That was a rewarding discussion on that front, hearing you
Speaker 4: two get to be so enthusiastic about that music and like,
Speaker 4: to be fair, the Municipal Race one was such a
Speaker 4: fun just kind of like, ah, this album is such
Speaker 4: a like twenty first century classic to me, I can
Speaker 4: get in trouble for the list of fresh albums.
Speaker 3: I think that album is better.
Speaker 1: Than Yeah, I'd probably agree with you.
Speaker 4: A lot of fun, fun discussions, you know, dissecting pray
Speaker 4: for plagues and like count your Blessings and all that
Speaker 4: shit and the magic of like pray for plagues on
Speaker 4: that album alongside some of the other mental shit.
Speaker 3: That happens with that album. Just good times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really enjoyed listening to this pack. I though
Speaker 2: it was really great all four records. I have some
Speaker 2: sort of foddenness for it and my fun for cop
Speaker 2: Your Blessings, I guess I am. But yeah, I usually
Speaker 2: I love going along with you, Sam when you rally
Speaker 2: against something that's paranor Eliot love. But I listened to
Speaker 2: Wild Autumn Winds the other day and I genuinely tear
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: That's that's the one.
Speaker 4: Like I did say, that's the one, you know, pretty
Speaker 4: good song on the record, probably IDENTI if I said
Speaker 4: those words exactly, but it's one of our most most
Speaker 4: positive about that.
Speaker 1: You have it fine, Yeah, it's absolutely magic. Go and
Speaker 1: check out that record and our chats on them. Patron
Speaker 1: of the comm Slash that's the way to be. Like
Speaker 1: I said, Corn Special Part two coming soon, let's end them.
Speaker 1: Primary first leg of this hyperblasts with the release roundup
Speaker 1: for this week eighth of May. And there are a
Speaker 1: few records here. I think people would have been looking
Speaker 1: forward to whether you are in you know, one sub
Speaker 1: scene of the T and M universe or another sub scene.
Speaker 1: Maybe one of them is Black Belt Brid's album Vindicate,
Speaker 1: which we did discuss a single on the show a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. We will you know what, Blackvelt Bride's
Speaker 1: holding it down pretty well in the scheme of you know,
Speaker 1: metalcore bands of their generation still doing all right. So
Speaker 1: I hope that's the case for the rest of the album.
Speaker 1: Vindicate by blackfl Brides out now. Then, Speaking of the
Speaker 1: you know the big very you know, well loved alternative
Speaker 1: rock bands of their generation. Basement are Final laid back
Speaker 1: with their album that's been like eight years and the
Speaker 1: making or something. Their new record Wired is out. Then
Speaker 1: there is Koyo, who are about who have you emerged
Speaker 1: in the years since then? But kind of on like
Speaker 1: the I know a lot of hardcore fans like them,
Speaker 1: but they're kind of on the pop punk end of
Speaker 1: the spectrum. Is that right, Sam?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are kind of one of the pop punk
Speaker 4: emos or bands that I've sort of been grace at
Speaker 4: themselves into hardcore. I might have more to say about
Speaker 4: them in a not too distant future.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, there you go. Their album Barely Here is
Speaker 1: out today, and then moving backwards in time through the
Speaker 1: punk world Social Distortion a back they got a record
Speaker 1: called Born to Kill. And there is also the flat
Speaker 1: Liners with Cold any flat Liners fans here, I know
Speaker 1: that they're one those bands that again people have like
Speaker 1: their very cult specific relationship with I like.
Speaker 4: The flat Liners. They when I was like massively getting
Speaker 4: into the Mensingers and then basically every kind of like
Speaker 4: punk band like that. Flat Liners were one of the
Speaker 4: bands I sort of got into around that time. They
Speaker 4: were never like the biggest, but they were like a nice, real,
Speaker 4: like dedicated cold.
Speaker 1: Following Yeah, there you go the flat Liners with the
Speaker 1: record Cold World. Then there is Haggard Cat of course,
Speaker 1: the band featuring former members of Heck still going strong
Speaker 1: today their record The Pain that Orbit's Life Is Out.
Speaker 1: Jeff Tait, the former Queen's Right, the singer who has
Speaker 1: been up and up to all sorts over the years
Speaker 1: since he left Queen's Right. Really he's got a record
Speaker 1: app which made me laugh when I saw the title,
Speaker 1: because it's Operation Mind Crime three making sequeled still to
Speaker 1: Queen's Rights to finding record, one of the great concept
Speaker 1: albums of the eighties, Operation Mine Crime. There's a third
Speaker 1: one on from the classic form from mister Jeff Taits.
Speaker 1: Let's move into extreme metal, Frozen Soul, the cold school
Speaker 1: death metalers. There I believe third Studio alb at this point,
Speaker 1: isn't it their record No Play of Warmth Is Out?
Speaker 1: Will probably have that in the next reviews bad because
Speaker 1: I know that they are again one of the more
Speaker 1: popular bands of the current death metal wave in the UK.
Speaker 1: There is Ingested the long going Brutal death Metal as
Speaker 1: their record Denigration is out. I know that the things
Speaker 1: have been kind of thrown up in the air and
Speaker 1: around for them recently, with them like swapping singers and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I don't know what that means for
Speaker 1: this specific record and you know who is on it
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the latest record from Ingested is out today, Denigration.
Speaker 1: Speaking of going back in time, Dark Throne are back
Speaker 1: once again with their you know, bi annual record, and
Speaker 1: this one is called Prehistoric Metal and the album cover
Speaker 1: is a wonderful photo of Fenris throwing the claw and
Speaker 1: holding a pitchfork, just like really taken in. I don't
Speaker 1: know his his farm shed or something, but I imagine this
Speaker 1: will probably be based on what I've heard, you know,
Speaker 1: continuing along the kind of very like rusty vibe of
Speaker 1: like their last like three or four records or something.
Speaker 1: But I will always check out Darth Throwne records. So
Speaker 1: Prehistoric Metal is out going into bounds. Who still remained
Speaker 1: to this day being black metal bands Pernopticon the great
Speaker 1: classic at this stage, I would say us black metal
Speaker 1: band Appalachian folk tinged American black metal. Their record with
Speaker 1: a title that's in Norwegian for some reason, it's debt
Speaker 1: heumsucked hill TETs is my attempt at that, but the
Speaker 1: letric of a Panopticon. I know that they've released quite
Speaker 1: a bit of music recently in terms of like digging
Speaker 1: up old recordings and stuff like that, but I believe
Speaker 1: that this is like the first, like you know, current
Speaker 1: studio Peranopticon album since the one that came up like
Speaker 1: two three years ago. And if it is, you know
Speaker 1: that record in question, I'm thinking of that record is
Speaker 1: fucking fantastic and generally one of their best ever. So
Speaker 1: if this is again a proper new not studio record,
Speaker 1: but I believe it is, then I will definitely checking
Speaker 1: out with interest. There is yof Area, the band featuring
Speaker 1: you know, some long time legends of the Greek black
Speaker 1: metal scene but have kind of evolved into like a
Speaker 1: just a very epic, stirring heavy metal band, basically along
Speaker 1: the lines of if you like extreme but kind of
Speaker 1: epic heavy metal, along the lines of I'm thinking you're
Speaker 1: like a mono moth, right, that kind of vibe of
Speaker 1: like it's heavy and it's modern, but it's also just
Speaker 1: very classic and fist pumpy. Your theorya in the same
Speaker 1: way that Rotten christ can be a lot of the time. Ah,
Speaker 1: the sort of band who you know they're supplying that thing.
Speaker 1: So they've got a record called Gone with the Devil,
Speaker 1: more into the underground of black metal. Perhaps the record
Speaker 1: that I am most looking forward to this week is
Speaker 1: the return of the UK black metal as a Forest
Speaker 1: of Stars, with their first album in like coming up
Speaker 1: to maybe about ten years, about eight years or something
Speaker 1: like that, a band I have a real place in
Speaker 1: my heart for. They've got a record called stack Overflowing
Speaker 1: corpse Pile Interference, which or sorry interface, because that definitely
Speaker 1: makes as much sense as the thing that I said.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking for to find out what the fuck
Speaker 1: any of that refers to, because I love of Forest
Speaker 1: of Stars really eccentric, progressive, wild UK black metal into
Speaker 1: kind of death doom, gothic death doom, you know, very
Speaker 1: like I am drinking my red wine and being sad
Speaker 1: about it vibes the band Draconian. I've got a record
Speaker 1: called insomnolent Ruin, and then at end on some EPs
Speaker 1: in the hardcore world, we have Forced Order with Undying Spirit,
Speaker 1: which I believe is that on Triple B Records.
Speaker 4: Sam Forced Order, Yeah, crossover sort of frashy hardcore.
Speaker 3: This EP is really fun.
Speaker 4: It's got solos on it, which is always nice when
Speaker 4: the hardcore band aren't scared to solo. Agree, but if
Speaker 4: you if you want, if you want your hardcore to
Speaker 4: be a bit like pacer and frashier, give the CPS spin.
Speaker 1: It's really cool, very nice. And there's also crow Quill,
Speaker 1: who I remember they wasn't maybe last year put out
Speaker 1: one of the more hypie again EP short form releases
Speaker 1: to come out of the whole, like you know, Circle
Speaker 1: the Millennium metalcore revival stuff basically, So they're following up
Speaker 1: that with another EP called Erase the File.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, coming strike that kind of vein of yeah,
Speaker 4: like throwback metal corp. The I lap up and you know,
Speaker 4: we get a new EP from these sort of bands
Speaker 4: every couple of weeks. I will probably really enjoy this.
Speaker 4: If this is as good as the last crow Call
Speaker 4: EP was that like that is one of the better
Speaker 4: ones of this sort of style of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that they are one of the bands
Speaker 1: again who do have more of the what seemed to
Speaker 1: be like you know, extensive praise around them, So I
Speaker 1: would be curious seeing where the whole Croquil thing goes
Speaker 1: with their new EP is that today, and then moving
Speaker 1: on to the extreme side. For the EPs, We've got Scarab,
Speaker 1: the Egyptian death metal band obviously very well named Transmutation
Speaker 1: of Fate. And there is also the returning grindcore band
Speaker 1: Gadget with their record called co Earth. So there you go.
Speaker 1: That's the releases for today. Sam, you are about to
Speaker 1: embark on a trip across Asia for a little while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is going to be your last appearance on the
Speaker 1: show for about a month and a half, six weeks
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, five weeks.
Speaker 4: I'm off traveling through Asia, hin Up, Thailand, Vietnam to
Speaker 4: do like historical cultural stuff.
Speaker 3: Then I'm landing in Japan to.
Speaker 4: Just do a load of nerdy shit and watch a
Speaker 4: bunch of hardcore like primarily the Japan because built around
Speaker 4: going to blood Axe Festival, which is sort of Japan's
Speaker 4: kind of like primary hardcore metalcore festival. It's headline this
Speaker 4: year by Speed and Poison The Well, we've been a
Speaker 4: lot of time Koyo. As I just mentioned, they are
Speaker 4: playing that alongside a bunch of like Japanese bands Numb,
Speaker 4: Loyal to the Grave, view from the Sawyers, who I've
Speaker 4: been you know, raving about.
Speaker 3: Very excited to see them.
Speaker 4: So I'll be hitting up that and you know some
Speaker 4: of the side shows around that. So when I'm back,
Speaker 4: I'll probably have a bit of a report on what's
Speaker 4: going on in like Japanese hardcore on the like.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I will be like absent.
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of your corn
Speaker 4: special that you record in my absence and keeping up
Speaker 4: with I hope to hear the Jeff Ta album gets
Speaker 4: reviewed when I'm you and Elliott dissecting Operation Mine Crime Free.
Speaker 4: I think would be a wonderful listen as I'm sort
Speaker 4: of like, don't promise the people that, don't promise the
Speaker 4: people you know to put it out there, it could
Speaker 4: be worthwhile. Yes, I'll miss you know coming on here
Speaker 4: to chat about stuff. I will I will have some
Speaker 4: like stuff to talk about when I'm back, and it's
Speaker 4: going to be a fun little trip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rest of us will be holding the thought
Speaker 1: while you're gone, but yeah, we will see you when
Speaker 1: you're back here and I get a bit over a
Speaker 1: month go and enjoy Japan and Asia. Mark and I
Speaker 1: are going to continue on for a little bit. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk about Incineration Festival, which mark you, we're
Speaker 1: not even at, but you did go and see one
Speaker 1: of these Cineitar shows on their UK tour, so we
Speaker 1: can chat about that a little bit. And otherwise I
Speaker 1: am going to reel off my experiences at, as I say,
Speaker 1: one of the big extreme metal events that pops up
Speaker 1: every year in the UK, you know, live music calendar.
Speaker 1: I don't go to a seration every single year, but
Speaker 1: I do like to try and make it out when
Speaker 1: there is something particularly spicy on the lineup that really
Speaker 1: makes me go, I can't miss that. And as we
Speaker 1: will get onto, there were certain things that were an
Speaker 1: ounced for this that very much pulled that trigger for me.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect to go about so soon after I
Speaker 1: was their last year obviously. Last year was sensational with
Speaker 1: the trip to con Celtic Frost Set where they played
Speaker 1: a Dying God Company to Human Flesh for the first
Speaker 1: time ever, and Blood Incantation premiering absolutely elsewhere the album's
Speaker 1: set in the UK, all that good stuff. But this year,
Speaker 1: like I said, even though there was nothing that maybe
Speaker 1: you know, grabs the headlines as much as those things
Speaker 1: there were again things on the lineup where I go, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm coming back straight away. It takes place
Speaker 1: as you know, if you know, if you have been
Speaker 1: to the Festival four it's one of those cross Camden
Speaker 1: type events, often in the Electric Ballroom, the Underworld, the
Speaker 1: black Heart, really small venue around the corner Call to
Speaker 1: the dev as well the really tiny like pub stuff,
Speaker 1: but also on some years where they go particularly big.
Speaker 1: This is two years in a row and they have
Speaker 1: done it. They also book the Roundhouse and fill that
Speaker 1: with big stuff. That does add the kind of slightly
Speaker 1: annoying on it into the next veris of the Roundhouse
Speaker 1: is about a ten minute walk away from all those
Speaker 1: other venues in question, So there is Trekking and I
Speaker 1: don't know, this year, for whatever it isn't I felt
Speaker 1: it less like even though this year I did do
Speaker 1: with the back and forth track more than any last year.
Speaker 1: Like last year, I mainly went to the Electric Boor
Speaker 1: and watch stuff there, walked to the Roundhouse watch stuff there.
Speaker 1: This year I did go back and forth like several times.
Speaker 1: But for whatever maybe my legs are just stronger, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like, for whatever reason, it didn't feel as
Speaker 1: bad this year, so giving people tips and describing how
Speaker 1: the festival works is quite hard because I myself feel
Speaker 1: nebulously about it. Where my experience seems to change from
Speaker 1: year to year. I don't know, but you know, it
Speaker 1: is what it is. It can still be an annoying
Speaker 1: festival to like, you know, watch bands timing wise, when
Speaker 1: something ends in one corner of Camden basically, and then
Speaker 1: you're a trek to the other corner when the band
Speaker 1: is immediately starting. But like I said, this year, I
Speaker 1: didn't actually have many problems and I saw lots of
Speaker 1: good stuff For me. It also turned into kind of
Speaker 1: an extended weekend deal because it basically became a three
Speaker 1: day run of shows all centering around the Incineration weekend.
Speaker 1: So I guess I'll go through them chronologically and New
Speaker 1: Marcus can chime in when when it's appropriate. The thing
Speaker 1: that kicked off that for me is around Incineration dragged
Speaker 1: into Sunlight who had been booked for it. They added
Speaker 1: like basically a bit of a UK tour around it,
Speaker 1: with like three or four extra shows, and they also
Speaker 1: brought along with them other bands who were on the
Speaker 1: Incineration bill. Vacuous and Plague Pit as the support for it,
Speaker 1: and I knew. I looked at Incineration the poster. This
Speaker 1: is before the times had gone out, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I knew, I've been said before. I know it can
Speaker 1: be difficult, clashes are going to be annoying. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I am going to go because I can
Speaker 1: and see all of these bands a couple of nights
Speaker 1: before basically, and therefore I've ticked them off before I've
Speaker 1: even gotten to Incineration, and I can allocate myself more
Speaker 1: appropriately with that in mind. So I got to see
Speaker 1: Dragon sun Light along with those other bands Vacuous and
Speaker 1: Plaue Pits before Insinration even arrived. I did not see
Speaker 1: them at Incineration itself. For this reason. I got to
Speaker 1: go do other things. But I heard from you know,
Speaker 1: the people who did go see drag de sun Like
Speaker 1: at the main incineration that basically they were as devastating
Speaker 1: as ever, because that's what they are. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think there is such a thing as any Dragon to
Speaker 1: Sunlight shower, that there is any you know, less intense
Speaker 1: than the average level that they exist. That but there
Speaker 1: you go. Plague bit, I guess as the opening band
Speaker 1: of the whole experience. I wasn't really familiar with them,
Speaker 1: but from what I gathered from watching them is it's
Speaker 1: kind of sort of sludgy, maybe slightly bolt throwery hardcore
Speaker 1: death metal, basically that kind of realm of stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: decent enough stuff, but Vacuous as the main support on
Speaker 1: this drag thing. They were also headlining the Black Heart
Speaker 1: in the Incineration main day, which meant they were on
Speaker 1: during Blue via Death headline in the Roundhouse. That's a
Speaker 1: rough slot to get, but I heard from them that
Speaker 1: that was a packed enough slot for them anyway in
Speaker 1: the Black Cart and so they had the good headlining
Speaker 1: slot in there. Was really looking forward to seeing Vacuous
Speaker 1: and made sure to again do so here because their
Speaker 1: record from the last year, in His Blood, is I
Speaker 1: think one of the better death metal records to have
Speaker 1: come out in the last like eighteen months or so,
Speaker 1: and was looking forward to getting to Hoster seeing that material.
Speaker 1: And they are fucking wicked, Like I think that they
Speaker 1: are probably the best deaf not band in the UK
Speaker 1: right now, Like really a mixture of really powerful live
Speaker 1: presence from you know, the vocalist has this really strong
Speaker 1: live presence, but also the drummer Max, who is the
Speaker 1: also the drummer who plays in hell Ripper is I
Speaker 1: think one of like the hardest hitting extreme metal drummers
Speaker 1: certainly in this country. Right now. We're just watching him
Speaker 1: smack the fuck out of that on these Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's good enough the hell Ripper doing like really far
Speaker 1: thrash stuff, but when you go into the death metal
Speaker 1: realm and you have like these wild intens blast passages
Speaker 1: and stuff. But also on that last Vacuous record, So
Speaker 1: the stuff that I really liked and that really turned
Speaker 1: my head with it is they've kind of started introducing
Speaker 1: more ideas than just you're playing every death of stuff, right,
Speaker 1: and they started adding in like post punk and these
Speaker 1: like big heavy pounding rhythms and kind of some like
Speaker 1: more spooky ambient elements and stuff like that. And that's
Speaker 1: why I think makes that set of set of songs really,
Speaker 1: like again stand out, really cool hearing that stuff in
Speaker 1: the live setting. Really good stuff from Vacuous. I hope
Speaker 1: to see them several more times before this cycle is out,
Speaker 1: but definitely a band that I would recommend catching if
Speaker 1: if you can around them, And like I said, if
Speaker 1: you missed their record last year and you're into underground
Speaker 1: death metal that just has a little bit more going
Speaker 1: for it than your average band, Definitely recommend it. Dragging
Speaker 1: to Sunlight, as I say, it kind of feels like
Speaker 1: the victory lap basically, for like when they came back
Speaker 1: after having not played a show in five or the
Speaker 1: years whatever it was for Damnation again about eighteen months ago,
Speaker 1: and that Damnation set just like it kind of escaped
Speaker 1: containment of just the Damnation people who were there, Like
Speaker 1: I think it made the rounds people like this set
Speaker 1: was fucking bonkers, and the way that they have like
Speaker 1: built up this sort of demand and legend around them
Speaker 1: in their absence, and then it all just came flooding
Speaker 1: back of that Damnation set, this Incineration run. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's basically like the victory lap for it, and maybe
Speaker 1: people who heard about that Damnation set that weren't there
Speaker 1: for it will have, you know, bought a ticket to
Speaker 1: Incineration or one of these other dates to be like
Speaker 1: I want to get a piece of that. And I
Speaker 1: was saying to people, I was like, if you've not
Speaker 1: seen Dragon to Sunlight before, then they are the band
Speaker 1: you have to see at the risk of missing absolutely
Speaker 1: everything else, Like you just have to go to experiences
Speaker 1: for yourself. I've been you know, privileged enough to see them,
Speaker 1: I think like six times or something like that, but
Speaker 1: every single time without fail, just the I've said it,
Speaker 1: when we spoke about Damnation, it was essentially the same set,
Speaker 1: like they're still doing Hatred for Mankind, which is interesting
Speaker 1: because when that Damnation thing happened there with that awful clash,
Speaker 1: and I've now had the opportunity to see this set
Speaker 1: basically like several times after that thing, But I still
Speaker 1: don't regret that clash and what I did with it,
Speaker 1: because it feels like that Damnation set was the the one,
Speaker 1: right that's the one that kind of goes down in history,
Speaker 1: and people still talk about that, but you know, still
Speaker 1: by some playing all the Heterrochmankind, which is just fucking venomous,
Speaker 1: and it never gets old seeing a stage like kind
Speaker 1: of you know, decked out in these fucking deer antler
Speaker 1: skulls and the massive candle larbra and then being absolutely
Speaker 1: brutalized by that like strobe lighting and just the fact
Speaker 1: that they are the most heavy, intense life band you
Speaker 1: could possibly expect to see like unlocking some extra level
Speaker 1: of frying you alive when they play that has no
Speaker 1: bad they've ever seen have quite achieved that level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: essentially this was a round two after the Damnation experience
Speaker 1: and maybe slightly less sweaty and slightly less like close
Speaker 1: quarters terrifying, but just a reminder of everything that is
Speaker 1: brilliant about Drandon. Something like they've said that they're going
Speaker 1: to do like they did a social media post and
Speaker 1: they were like, we're going to do one more run
Speaker 1: of shows. And I don't know if that means that
Speaker 1: they are going to that they just want to do
Speaker 1: another Runner shows and then maybe they'll go into hibernation
Speaker 1: for a while. Maybe they are you know, disappearing permanently.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it certainly feels like again the
Speaker 1: legend has reawoken after Damnation, and right now we're in
Speaker 1: this period of like as many people as possible should
Speaker 1: be trying to see this while it you know, it exists.
Speaker 1: So again great like kicking off to the Incineration weekender
Speaker 1: totally day after that, I went down to London and
Speaker 1: in the Black Heart there was what was labeled as
Speaker 1: the Incineration pre party, put on by the record store
Speaker 1: slash label Crypt of the Wizard, who put out the
Speaker 1: record of the band question about to talk about a
Speaker 1: couple of support acts at the London show for this
Speaker 1: there was a just a full on noiseet like just
Speaker 1: a guy you know, squawking into a micing causing a
Speaker 1: big old racket with his noise rig under the name
Speaker 1: Lover's Leap. And also a band called Fields of Agony,
Speaker 1: which I believe members features members of Final Dose, but
Speaker 1: it's much more like straightforward like atmospheric black metal. Sort's fair.
Speaker 1: But then the main app who you also mark as
Speaker 1: they added a full on UK tour you also went
Speaker 1: out to see up in your area. We went to
Speaker 1: see Cimitar separately, didn't we?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is my first gig since Home Front
Speaker 2: with you. Oh yes, I was as soon as it
Speaker 2: was announ so I was just like, I need to
Speaker 2: go to like it was one of my favorite records
Speaker 2: of last year doing my new favorite band, like favorite
Speaker 2: new band.
Speaker 1: I just this.
Speaker 2: The second this was available to be I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm breaking my cold streak, you know what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was really amped when they added UK shows.
Speaker 1: If you don't know the band in question, then you
Speaker 1: obviously didn't listen to our end of year episodes at
Speaker 1: the end of last year, obviously because you know, we
Speaker 1: both mentioned them to various degrees across things like the
Speaker 1: Award show and the Albums of the Year shows and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Based on their record Cinmitar Cemetarium one
Speaker 1: that came out last year, they have very swiftly in
Speaker 1: the ARKU points. They followed up with Cemetary two and
Speaker 1: then adding a UK tour for this. They're from Denmark,
Speaker 1: so you know they're not always it's not always guaranteed
Speaker 1: that small heavy metal bands from abroad will appear in
Speaker 1: the UK. So I was very stoked that they I
Speaker 1: did not only like one show, but like a genuine tour, right,
Speaker 1: and they aligned with Incineration for me, you could go
Speaker 1: to this, so this was like one of the things
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to most out of the whole
Speaker 1: festival experience, right and Scimitar in again a small upstairs
Speaker 1: pub venue which is the Black Cart. There are on record.
Speaker 1: They are an assault on the senses. As we are
Speaker 1: going to talk about soon, we're going to review the
Speaker 1: new record that's just come out. But seeing that translated
Speaker 1: to the live experience, not even just musically, but also
Speaker 1: visually where they stylistically like kind of how they present themselves.
Speaker 1: They there's an odd mismatch about them which I find
Speaker 1: really kind of intriguing, and that there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of like thought put into the image necessarily. They do
Speaker 1: just feel like a bunch of kind of eccentrics from
Speaker 1: different walks of life who have just sort of like
Speaker 1: vomited themselves up on the stage. And like, I can't
Speaker 1: remember what show it was, but I saw on again
Speaker 1: like an Instagram story one of these other dates. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure the one of the guitarists was wearing like
Speaker 1: basically shirtless while wearing like leopard print legs, because you've
Speaker 1: got like guitarists who look like they've walked out the
Speaker 1: seventies like full on you know, scandy rock star sort
Speaker 1: of vibes. But then this, you know, quite diminutive singer
Speaker 1: in this, you know, wearing like a floral skirt or
Speaker 1: something going fucking like just so intense and like flailing
Speaker 1: around and waving our arms around and like staring down
Speaker 1: the front door of the audience so intensely wailing like
Speaker 1: a motherfucker, like a real I mean, did you find
Speaker 1: this as well in terms of just like the clattering
Speaker 1: assault that is their records hit in the live environment
Speaker 1: in a way where it's like I don't quite know
Speaker 1: where to look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like like you say, they have a guitarist
Speaker 2: is slightly more fancy, they have really just sort of
Speaker 2: like seventies hard rock and guitarists. They're bassist looks so
Speaker 2: much like Cliff Burton. It was so distracting. I was like,
Speaker 2: what the hell, Like they're just bassists have to look
Speaker 2: like this like and yeah, they're The vocalist is just
Speaker 2: such a presence.
Speaker 1: It's so mad, like she's fucking great. But it was
Speaker 1: like just wild run Shielder just like then trail off
Speaker 1: and start screaming and screech elsewhere wild like really like
Speaker 1: unterrible as the word.
Speaker 2: Her arms flying around like currmit the Frog, like she
Speaker 2: is amazing and like I put up a video on
Speaker 2: my Instagram story and one of my not metal friends
Speaker 2: I was like, this is giving like scary.
Speaker 1: Florence Welsh fan would say that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that sort of whaling witch thing. Yeah there.
Speaker 2: I mean, such an exciting band and that's sort of
Speaker 2: you'll you'll talk about it in the review. The second
Speaker 2: record is so so intense.
Speaker 1: It's just like.
Speaker 2: Blaring, but in the live environment that really like where
Speaker 2: it's not as production wise suffocating, and you do you
Speaker 2: can pick out the bass parts and you can pick
Speaker 2: out like the actual guitar lines. It was wicked, like
Speaker 2: just being able to be like, oh yeah, these are
Speaker 2: recognizaboy songs when they're played by poor people like five people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just genuine just freak energy being applied to the
Speaker 1: instruments that like the drummer just going completely out of control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two guitarists like basically thrusting their instruments into like the
Speaker 1: front row with the audience, like trying to impale people
Speaker 1: with them, like really wild, really intense. Super happy that
Speaker 1: they added Ukhaers and got to see them because that again,
Speaker 1: these they are I think one of the most exciting
Speaker 1: new heavy metal bands to emerge in this decade.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh yeah, they have a genuine just like
Speaker 2: it's live wire, you know, to use sort of a cliche,
Speaker 2: this is like it's just proper live exciting heavy music.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically it's not put on either, Like it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like they've oh no, crafted like some heavy bands,
Speaker 1: and sometimes these are bands that I really like as well,
Speaker 1: but it's just very deliberate in terms of, like, this
Speaker 1: is the kind of band we are going to be.
Speaker 1: We are fitting into this certain mold. We are borrowing
Speaker 1: our iconography and how we play and everything off of
Speaker 1: pre established you know, molds what heavy metal band is.
Speaker 1: Whereas this they do feel like on record and visually
Speaker 1: and when they play live, people who have almost stumbled
Speaker 1: into making this insane fucking maeah.
Speaker 2: When I was doing my Albums of the Year, something
Speaker 2: I mentioned as a positive is that there's like it
Speaker 2: sounds like three different members are on different songs. During songs,
Speaker 2: like the instrumental will be one thing and then the
Speaker 2: vocalist will be doing a completely different song, like and
Speaker 2: like you're saying, just everything about them visually, the way
Speaker 2: they move, the way they interact. One of the guitarists
Speaker 2: was just like not on stage for half of it
Speaker 2: because he was just wandering about and that just back
Speaker 2: to the audience a bunch, and that's not planned, Like
Speaker 2: you can't plan. Oh, what I'm gonna do is have
Speaker 2: my back to the audience for half the set because
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out where to walk next. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the spontaneity and sort of ramsackle nature of
Speaker 2: it even meant that I only saw like half a set.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they broke the electrics in Glasgow, didn't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they blew something. It was just like they were
Speaker 2: at the end of the first song on Cementarium one.
Speaker 2: Luckily it was at the end, otherwise i'd be furious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think after that. I think the play song
Speaker 1: they played after that was like one of the really
Speaker 1: fucking long like ten there's a slower one I think
Speaker 1: on the second record, it's like a ten minute long
Speaker 1: song or something. Yeah, they played that after that song,
Speaker 1: and that was the end of set.
Speaker 2: So okay, okay, it's not as bad as I imagine
Speaker 2: that that would have been really cool to see. But
Speaker 2: it was just like you're watching this crazy, wild, fiery
Speaker 2: heavy metal band. There's a bright, bright light and then
Speaker 2: suddenly darkness for like a minute where everyone's so just confused.
Speaker 2: But what I love about it is the band seems
Speaker 2: so unbothered and so casual about it, where I'm like,
Speaker 2: does this happen all the time? They just did not.
Speaker 1: Leaving a trail of broken fruises across Europe. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the more metal baby absolutely one of the
Speaker 1: more unpredictable you can live wire live experiences in like
Speaker 1: heavy metal. I think right now I'm really excitedly Scimitar.
Speaker 1: Hope they come over again soon and this isn't the
Speaker 1: last we see them, because they are again. It's quite
Speaker 1: a exciting band right now. Onto the incineration day proper
Speaker 1: for me, this Saturday just gone, like I said, across
Speaker 1: several venues in the London Camden area. The first band
Speaker 1: that I made sure to get out and see is
Speaker 1: de Vegina fry Height. Concideration for me because again it's
Speaker 1: it's across several venues, You've got your clashes and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm usually very good at being able to basically curate
Speaker 1: a day of going back and forth where I only
Speaker 1: see bands I'm just like really fucking jazzed about, you know,
Speaker 1: like I can always fill a day with just like
Speaker 1: bands I love, so the case in point. First thing
Speaker 1: de Vegana fry Height, who are one of the best
Speaker 1: black meltal bands the last ten years or so in
Speaker 1: the tri Borum first of all, Wicked, like I was
Speaker 1: trying to sell them to someone, and I'd describe them
Speaker 1: as like post black metal, but they haven't forgotten how
Speaker 1: to be evil in that like it's it needs post
Speaker 1: black metal that is fucking intense and dark at the
Speaker 1: same time, and it will be soaring and stirring as
Speaker 1: much as it is like scathing, and that is a
Speaker 1: flavor that I love in their records. I've seen them
Speaker 1: a few times. I would say this is maybe one
Speaker 1: of the better times I've seen them live, because I
Speaker 1: do sometimes associate them with being a band who like
Speaker 1: tech issues and sound wise and stuff. It hasn't always
Speaker 1: like sound systems haven't always gotten there, you know, clause
Speaker 1: around it completely in the way that you would hope
Speaker 1: in these times that I've seen them, But this one
Speaker 1: was pretty good in that regard, Like, you know, again
Speaker 1: having the keyboard tracks and stuff like that, they were
Speaker 1: coming through pretty well, along with obviously the pure for
Speaker 1: oce intensity of the band, like playing confrontly on stage
Speaker 1: with the nut so blasting drummer and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And they played, you know, quite a bit off the
Speaker 1: most recent record, which I liked very much. When they
Speaker 1: came out into last year, they specific I remember them.
Speaker 1: They played that song Aos of It, which is the
Speaker 1: one that has like basically the behemoth riff, like the
Speaker 1: most like blackened evil, furious riff on that that song
Speaker 1: really hit like a tree. And then as they have
Speaker 1: kind of a chosen to, you know, fall back onto
Speaker 1: doing generally closing on the track alf Brook, which is
Speaker 1: the first song on Finished Deer, which is like their
Speaker 1: classic record. I think I'm never mad about seeing that live,
Speaker 1: like the journey that takes you on the choirs that
Speaker 1: they layer in and this like just ten minute, sprawling,
Speaker 1: fucking rocket to the moon. You know that you're just
Speaker 1: sat atop when that song's playing out, fucking wicked. And
Speaker 1: again they had a really good and people who are
Speaker 1: visibly like they're for them and into it and even
Speaker 1: singing it along and stuff during those choir wald parts.
Speaker 1: Stuff as well was really really good. So enjoyable start
Speaker 1: to day with deveg Fry. Then I did my first
Speaker 1: of several, as I said, runs back and forth because
Speaker 1: I went from the electric boar room up to the
Speaker 1: roundhouse because I wanted to see what it's like seeing
Speaker 1: in the roundhouse. Grave miasthma, who are if you are
Speaker 1: a real underground death metal ahead, then you might well
Speaker 1: be familiar with Graving Asthma because they are one of
Speaker 1: the more important bands from the late noughties going into
Speaker 1: twenty ten's in terms of helping to really, you know,
Speaker 1: set up this kind of cavernous, evil, esoteric, really underground
Speaker 1: death metal movement. Like they're a quite seminal band for
Speaker 1: a small sub sector of death metal basically, and you know,
Speaker 1: they are a UK band, so they are they do
Speaker 1: be about, but they're not meant to play the Roundhouse.
Speaker 1: That's fucking weird. Like they are a two hundred cap
Speaker 1: venue band. And when I saw that they were opening
Speaker 1: the main stage in the Roundhouse, like that is so strange.
Speaker 1: I have to say that because you're never I don't
Speaker 1: know if they've ever had the opportunity to play a
Speaker 1: venue like that before. They certainly won't be playing the
Speaker 1: Roundhouse again, imagine unless they get But for an insinuation
Speaker 1: in a future year, seeing Grave of Aasma in the Roundhouse,
Speaker 1: it was what I imagined in that they're not meant
Speaker 1: to play the Roundhouse because big massive venue again sort
Speaker 1: of obviously in the round type sound for what is
Speaker 1: one of the mustiest death metal bands I think you
Speaker 1: could imagine right then it doesn't. It's not a perfect translation, right,
Speaker 1: So you know it was this as good as when
Speaker 1: I've seen Gravey Asba playing a more appropriate venue. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't, but it was really novel being like, that's
Speaker 1: fucking grave miasthma. What are they doing playing this stage
Speaker 1: that I associate with against bands like I don't know,
Speaker 1: fucking architects or whatever in the twenty tens playing places
Speaker 1: like the Roundhouse, like really wild, very cool to see
Speaker 1: ran back because when I said that, there were things
Speaker 1: that got added to this that made it unmissible for me. Really,
Speaker 1: the thing that made it so was when they added
Speaker 1: A Feather and Bone onto bill, which talking about the
Speaker 1: greatest death metal bands of the last like ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen years, I would put a Feather and Bone based
Speaker 1: on their two albums that are actually death metal album
Speaker 1: which are their latest two albums, I would put them
Speaker 1: in that category. I love this band and you know,
Speaker 1: long time listeners. I spoke to a couple at the
Speaker 1: festival may remember back in kind of my early days
Speaker 1: a team, and I'm really talking about the record that
Speaker 1: they put in twenty eighteen and just be like this
Speaker 1: band fucking rip. They're so insane. And the followup record
Speaker 1: that came out in twenty twenty, like Peak Covid, really
Speaker 1: fucking awesome as well, but Feather and Bone vanished basically
Speaker 1: where again they put out that record like Peak Covid,
Speaker 1: so obviously weren't playing live for support or anything like that,
Speaker 1: and then just seemed to like just disappear into hibernation
Speaker 1: for a while while you know, the first half of
Speaker 1: the twenty twenties played out, and this is their first
Speaker 1: like reappearance really certainly over here on the side of
Speaker 1: the Atlantic in kind of that time. And I have
Speaker 1: also a personal like cross to bear with this. In
Speaker 1: the in twenty nineteen, so off the back of the
Speaker 1: Bethel Hymns of Perversion record, they played what I think
Speaker 1: is their only UK show prior to this, which is
Speaker 1: they played in London with Too Mold and another death
Speaker 1: metabow called ritual Necremancy. And I was going to that show,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately my bus I think it was London Fashion
Speaker 1: Week or something something. There was really fucking heavy traffic
Speaker 1: in the London area and my bus got stuck in
Speaker 1: traffic for ages, so much so that I got to
Speaker 1: the show late and missed a Feather and Bone and
Speaker 1: I got there for two mold and I watched it
Speaker 1: Ritual Necromancy as well, but I had missed arguably the
Speaker 1: band I was like most excited to see on that show.
Speaker 1: And then like six months later COVID happened, and Feather
Speaker 1: and Boats vanished from existence for a while basically, and
Speaker 1: this seven years almost after that show, is the first
Speaker 1: time I have had to rectify that that horrible experience
Speaker 1: of missing that band. So as soon as they got
Speaker 1: adit Incineration, but I was like, Okay, I have to go, like,
Speaker 1: that's the thing that they're not adding any shows around it,
Speaker 1: so that's the thing I've got to be there for.
Speaker 1: And my god, those seven years of waiting after that,
Speaker 1: you know, mishap experience very very very much paid off
Speaker 1: here because this is and it's not just me as well,
Speaker 1: because I have that particular sort of relationship with it
Speaker 1: where they are a bound who I've really championed and
Speaker 1: then unfortunately missed all this kind of stuff. But I
Speaker 1: kind of heard mutterings after the fact where I think
Speaker 1: they went down as one of the like bands of
Speaker 1: the weekend who stole it. Really like Dragon to Sun
Speaker 1: Like are what Dragon to Sun Like are, and people
Speaker 1: will reliably be wowed by that. But I don't think
Speaker 1: people quite knew how sick a feather Abote were going
Speaker 1: to because they've not been around here, right, people haven't
Speaker 1: built up the relationship. This was fucking insane, like they
Speaker 1: were so genuinely I think one of the fastest, heaviest
Speaker 1: death metal shows I've ever seen. Like it was so
Speaker 1: it was like being saort aid. It was so intense,
Speaker 1: considering like a gravenasthma in the roundhouse, not you know,
Speaker 1: necessarily equipped for a death metal type show sound system
Speaker 1: in the underworld for a feather and bone right close quarters,
Speaker 1: just being beaten into a pulp by a band who
Speaker 1: I have again when we spoken about their records, spoken
Speaker 1: about them how they are kind of a band where
Speaker 1: they play and you go, oh, other death metal bands
Speaker 1: are pussies, like they're just they're just like no one.
Speaker 1: No one is playing as like fast and hard as
Speaker 1: they are playing outside of a pisc Grave, right, who
Speaker 1: are now? You know? Now pis Grave seem to have
Speaker 1: you know, sailed off into the great death metal beyond
Speaker 1: a Feather and Bone arguably the hardest death thattal band
Speaker 1: in the world right now, I would say, And the
Speaker 1: live performance for me perfectly translated that three piece with
Speaker 1: this like really powerful stance, imposing bassist, vocalist at the front,
Speaker 1: a guitarist on the side, and then a drummer at
Speaker 1: the back. Who, my fucking god, that man can blast
Speaker 1: like full on ear is exploding with every stroke of
Speaker 1: that snare drum, and he was hitting it probably damn fast.
Speaker 1: It was so brutalizing, Like these are a set mixed
Speaker 1: off thegue and the latest two records, which are both
Speaker 1: just so intense and so fast. And it was one
Speaker 1: of those where you know, with the people I was with,
Speaker 1: and even in just the crowd in general, just every
Speaker 1: time they were kicking to something, you look back and
Speaker 1: forth and go, oh, how fucking sick is this? Just
Speaker 1: so everyone could just sense that again, many people have
Speaker 1: seen many many death metal shows, right that occasionally you
Speaker 1: see a band who are a step above just in
Speaker 1: terms of that fucking turn of pace and that agro,
Speaker 1: that vitriolic aggression, And that's what I connected within the
Speaker 1: featherumone records, and it is so so they're in the
Speaker 1: live show as well. They were fucking so good, like sober,
Speaker 1: Like I said, Dragon to some lightter a band who
Speaker 1: you expect that level of brilliance from. But in terms
Speaker 1: of like coming away going, oh my god, did you
Speaker 1: see that? A Feather and Bone for me was like
Speaker 1: the set of the Weekend. It was just so furious
Speaker 1: as well as again the latest two records, which fucking
Speaker 1: baptized in boiling flen right, the hardest, sickest like shit
Speaker 1: to go along with what they're doing. They played a
Speaker 1: new song as well, and so they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: becoming record. I imagine is now the death metal record
Speaker 1: that I am like most looking forward to for the
Speaker 1: foreseeable future, you know, And I hope that when that
Speaker 1: comes they can kind of re enter the conversation basically
Speaker 1: because like I said, they had that sick record in
Speaker 1: the late twenty tens dropped another record mid COVID, but
Speaker 1: things got lost because that's kind of what happens in
Speaker 1: mid COVID, right, But now you know, so much has
Speaker 1: happened in death metal in the last six seven years,
Speaker 1: and if they emerge with another record, I really hope
Speaker 1: that that puts them more more people's radars who have
Speaker 1: maybe come to death metal in the last like, you know,
Speaker 1: handful of years, because this felt like a really big
Speaker 1: like welcome back, you know, like a band who basically
Speaker 1: disappeared during the COVID time, but in terms of reinserting
Speaker 1: themselves into the death motal conversation, this was fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: Cannot wait for the record A Feather and Bone. If
Speaker 1: you don't know them, if this is your first time
Speaker 1: hearing about them, because maybe you didn't hear that record
Speaker 1: from six years ago, just this is the time to
Speaker 1: get on board because it's so intense, so brilliant. I
Speaker 1: went from there. I tried to go and watch a
Speaker 1: bit a Final Dose because they were in the black Heart,
Speaker 1: and that I stayed to the very end of Feather
Speaker 1: and Bog, because of course I did. That was what
Speaker 1: I was really there for. Ran as soon as they
Speaker 1: were you know, maybe I didn't run, but you know
Speaker 1: I walked with swiftness as soon as they were done
Speaker 1: around the corner to the black Heart, and it had
Speaker 1: immediately filled up and become like a one in one
Speaker 1: out situation with the que So I did not see
Speaker 1: Final Dose. I'm gonna I know that they've got several
Speaker 1: shows lined up over the course of the year, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure I can catch them elsewhere, But like, I
Speaker 1: think they've got a real you know, in this type crowd,
Speaker 1: there's buzz that's built with Final Dose based on the
Speaker 1: kind of thing that we were talking about last year,
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, they were definitely drawing crowds
Speaker 1: and drawing haird nothing in a small venue like the
Speaker 1: black Heart that filled up very quickly, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's nice to see people being so into them, right,
Speaker 1: particularly when you think about you we've got Damnation coming up,
Speaker 1: and they're supporting Wolf and the Thrown Room and Worm
Speaker 1: on that tour around dan Dation, Like that's fucking cool.
Speaker 1: So I didn't see any Final Dose sadly. I'm definitely
Speaker 1: gonna make sure I can at another show later in
Speaker 1: the year, but it was nice to see that the
Speaker 1: room filled up so quickly for them. I suppose the
Speaker 1: upside of missing Final Doses. I got to make sure
Speaker 1: I got to the Browndhouse, you know, fully there to
Speaker 1: see two molds you know about who I had seen
Speaker 1: before based on that twenty nineteen show, but another rare appearance.
Speaker 1: I think this might be their first UK show post COVID,
Speaker 1: which is pretty wild, like when you consider the the
Speaker 1: regularity that about like Blood and Cantation now come over
Speaker 1: to the UK with And I think you know that
Speaker 1: they're basically who Too Mold just like kind of second
Speaker 1: in line to in terms of the current you know,
Speaker 1: proggy death metal sort of stakes and popularity and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. They're much much rareer appearance. And I think
Speaker 1: that they were one where they got added to Incineration.
Speaker 1: Lots of people bought their ticket to see that, because
Speaker 1: how often see you tod Too Mold, right? And I
Speaker 1: know that again this was the slot where Dragon Sunlight
Speaker 1: had played just before, and I think there were a
Speaker 1: lot of people were like om and aar and like
Speaker 1: do I see Dragon Sunlight or do I, you know,
Speaker 1: run and get in there for Two Mold. I think
Speaker 1: there were probably some intentional crowd splitting going on, because
Speaker 1: those are arguably the two most like popular bands of
Speaker 1: at least the mid card of what Incineration was this year,
Speaker 1: So trying to not crowd everyone into one venue, I
Speaker 1: suppose I obviously, I I said, saw Drag already, so
Speaker 1: I went over and saw Two Mold and again a
Speaker 1: band I had seen before, but they have released one
Speaker 1: record since then. It was that very the most proggy
Speaker 1: one they'd done right a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 1: imagine we probably must be due with two Mold record
Speaker 1: within the next couple of years because it's been like
Speaker 1: three years at this stage. And it's nicely them back
Speaker 1: in the live environment, but really fun time seeing took
Speaker 1: again in the roundhouse. Pretty cool to see a band
Speaker 1: of this, you know statue in the underground film that place.
Speaker 1: The way they did was it as perfect sound wise
Speaker 1: as for example, seeing a feather and bone in the
Speaker 1: underweld because it's not built for it. No, it wasn't,
Speaker 1: but you did get enough of those like cavernous grooves
Speaker 1: from some of the earlier two more stuff like they
Speaker 1: played at least one song from the debut two Old record,
Speaker 1: which is like when I got into them, it was like,
Speaker 1: oh this band who they sound like Demelich right, and
Speaker 1: they've got that weird wonkey finish nature for it and
Speaker 1: going super old school with that was really nice. But
Speaker 1: then also the stuff I think really shone in this
Speaker 1: set considering the setting, was when they really let the
Speaker 1: prog go and Derek, who is one of the most
Speaker 1: expressive like death metal guitar players in the world right
Speaker 1: now doing those like sitting he's like the fucking I
Speaker 1: don't know, like the Joe Satriani of current death metal
Speaker 1: right the way he just turns up and lets these incredible,
Speaker 1: beautiful flourishes of like clean guitar work and stuff like
Speaker 1: that come out of the death metal songs. Was like
Speaker 1: really like sumptuous and absolutely music to the years, really
Speaker 1: really lovely, like it was the only music I heard
Speaker 1: all weekend, really incineration that I would describe as nice,
Speaker 1: like it was a nice time. And that's from the
Speaker 1: band called two Mold. You know, Two Molt. Whole thing
Speaker 1: is that they basically don't look cool like they are,
Speaker 1: like they are very lovably just a bunch of guys,
Speaker 1: kind of a bunch of kind of dorky looking guys, basically
Speaker 1: to the extent that when some people may remembered this
Speaker 1: when their last record came out, they were on the
Speaker 1: cover of Decibel for that record, and it's just these
Speaker 1: three guys all wearing like tiny little shorts and wearing like,
Speaker 1: you know, video game t shirts or whatever. And it
Speaker 1: kind of started discourse in certain death metal because of
Speaker 1: the people like, is this what we're allowing? There's death
Speaker 1: metal bands these days, like these guys who put no
Speaker 1: presentation into like looking tough or whatever. And you know,
Speaker 1: here no shots unfortunately this time, which was genuinely unusual,
Speaker 1: but like Derek was wearing a sting T shirt, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure. And then just like you know, jumping up
Speaker 1: and down with his little fucking bottle haircut and stuff.
Speaker 1: But like, really you can letting those incredible parts fly
Speaker 1: Canadian to the point that so too Mold have a
Speaker 1: singing drummer, which I don't know how many people who
Speaker 1: haven't seen them live are actually aware of that, but like
Speaker 1: the frontmount of two Mold is the drummer, which is
Speaker 1: you know, obviously always intensely impressive. And then he got
Speaker 1: these amazing guitarists and a bassis on either side of him,
Speaker 1: just you know, fully fucking virtuo sewing out. But when
Speaker 1: he was you know, singing and playing drums, he had
Speaker 1: some problem with like one of his symbols. They kept
Speaker 1: like falling down and he was visibly struggling with it
Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of like trying to continue
Speaker 1: the song, but also you know, fix what was going
Speaker 1: wrong with a kit, and so when one of the
Speaker 1: stage hands ran out and fixed it, he's like mid
Speaker 1: growl and playing these like intense tech tech death parts
Speaker 1: to be like you and just immediately let's out a
Speaker 1: Canadian thank you. Well continued back. It's like so Canadian.
Speaker 1: Even playing hyper intense technical death metal and growling at
Speaker 1: the same time will not stop you from thanking the
Speaker 1: stage hand who fixed your symbolstand But yeah, nice again
Speaker 1: reminder of how good Too Mold are Because you know,
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen them live in seven years. I'm sure
Speaker 1: for most people probably that was their first time seeing
Speaker 1: Two Old. I would hope if we get a record soon,
Speaker 1: I would hope they also returned to the UK with
Speaker 1: more regularity, because I can understand maybe again during the
Speaker 1: earlier half of this decade when we had the after
Speaker 1: effects of COVID and everything not appearing so much. But
Speaker 1: it'd be nice if, you know, more people got to
Speaker 1: see two more because they are such a popular band
Speaker 1: of that again kind of current demographic of death metal
Speaker 1: from there. Hung around in the roundhouse actually, and I
Speaker 1: saw the band Grave no Miasthma this time, just plain
Speaker 1: Old Grave, which is the Swedish death metal band, one
Speaker 1: of the original Swedish death metal bands, along with the
Speaker 1: likes of Entombed and Dismember and Unleashed and Grave aboud
Speaker 1: I've long been fond of They've never gotten as like
Speaker 1: you know, they've never had the crossover moment that for example,
Speaker 1: Entombed had, But I've always felt that Grave are maybe
Speaker 1: the most consistent of those bands, Like they just reliably
Speaker 1: released records that are fun and sick and deliver those
Speaker 1: that start of riff basically all the way through their career.
Speaker 1: But this time it was the I think the original
Speaker 1: lineup had, Like you know, they've had a few lineup
Speaker 1: change with people disappearing and whatnot, and the sort of
Speaker 1: the knock on effect of this, and they end up
Speaker 1: just getting the original lineup from like the late eighties
Speaker 1: back together, and so they were just playing an original
Speaker 1: lineup like early Years thing. And bizarrely, the one other
Speaker 1: time I've seen Grave was at the Netherlands Death Fest
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, when they also then had built it
Speaker 1: as a special Early Years like demos up to the
Speaker 1: first album set. So I've seen Grave twice and both
Speaker 1: times I've only seen music from up to about nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two, right, And like I said, they are a
Speaker 1: very consistent band that I like some of their later records,
Speaker 1: but there is something just so sick about going back
Speaker 1: in time. But like, yeah, this is like the original
Speaker 1: Swedish death metal. No, you know, no non essential material,
Speaker 1: no excess anything like that, just like raw, fucking pomping, ripping,
Speaker 1: early hn two Swedish death metal. And they're fucking great
Speaker 1: at that, you know. Again, just basically a bunch of
Speaker 1: Swedish dads. But they're playing in the BrownHouse and they've
Speaker 1: got some pyros and that kind of starting to go up.
Speaker 1: And like I said, tracks from the first couple of albums,
Speaker 1: even the demos preceding the first album, which is to
Speaker 1: some filthy material. If you're into bands like either like
Speaker 1: Repugnant or whatever in like the last you know, twenty
Speaker 1: first century, then the early grave stuff is definitely to
Speaker 1: to go back for and enjoy. So a nice walk
Speaker 1: down memory lane once again to another early Year's Grave
Speaker 1: set from one of the great early death metal bands
Speaker 1: I did end up catching. I don't normally go incineration
Speaker 1: to the Electric Ballroom headliner because it happens right before
Speaker 1: the Rounhouse headliner and you know you have to run
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I did end up seeing Plan To,
Speaker 1: but I saw a bit of hypocrisy Peter Tagrin's melodic
Speaker 1: death metal band, who were again in that slot. I've
Speaker 1: never been. This might be surprising. I've never been like
Speaker 1: a huge hypocrisy guy. Like. I think that they are
Speaker 1: a like Fie, a pretty fine band, like I always
Speaker 1: if they're on, I'm not mad about it. I think
Speaker 1: they've got a bunch of good material, good records they
Speaker 1: don't have. I would say a single record that I
Speaker 1: am like all in order and a door like one
Speaker 1: that I look at and go, that's an absolute fucking
Speaker 1: you know, extreme metal, underground metal classic. They've never connected
Speaker 1: with me quite in that way, but I will say,
Speaker 1: I mean considering again Peter as a as a producer
Speaker 1: and a thing. He's the vocalist on my favorite blood
Speaker 1: Bath album. Like, he does have his fingers in things
Speaker 1: that I absolutely love. But his actual main bands, like
Speaker 1: I've never been a fanatic about. But I like a
Speaker 1: POxy well enough. I know that I can catching a
Speaker 1: little bit of it, and I'm glad that I did because,
Speaker 1: like you know, again, not a band I would necessarily
Speaker 1: always be going to see, but like it was nice
Speaker 1: to tick them off essentially as a very long running
Speaker 1: respect to extream metal band. And they do have amongst
Speaker 1: the like Swedish melodic death metal bands, which is what
Speaker 1: they are. They don't really sound like the other ones,
Speaker 1: like they do have their own weird brand of it,
Speaker 1: Like they don't sound like in Flames or at the Gates,
Speaker 1: They don't sound like a moder math or Enemy or whatever.
Speaker 1: They have their own particular brand of it based around
Speaker 1: Peter's like very distinctive kind of barbed production sound that
Speaker 1: makes guitars sound really like mechanical and nechanized, but also
Speaker 1: it brings this like vastness and this kind of epic flavor,
Speaker 1: not in again a monomath like particularly like you know,
Speaker 1: heroic way, but just more like this kind of imposing
Speaker 1: grandeur about it with the extra layers of keyboards and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and like it's very like reliably decent stuff.
Speaker 1: And I saw you know, maybe four or five songs
Speaker 1: of Hypoposim was like, okay, cool, like this is the
Speaker 1: Hypoxy live experience. Did that wandered back to the Roundhouse
Speaker 1: for the main proper headliner, which was Blood Fire Death,
Speaker 1: which is the all star you know black metal lineup
Speaker 1: Batha Retribute experience that has basically, you know, started up
Speaker 1: two or three years ago, you know, Norwegian festivals and
Speaker 1: Sandinnaviian festivals, the Imagine It world, and it has gradually
Speaker 1: been going everywhere else. I have discussed this on the
Speaker 1: show before because I saw it for the first time
Speaker 1: at Mystic Festival last year when I went to Poland.
Speaker 1: It was one of the things there that seemed the
Speaker 1: most almost kind of out of the ordinary, and that
Speaker 1: it wasn't playing in the UK right Like there was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know this this big bath retribute
Speaker 1: thing is happening when I'm at this foreign festival. So
Speaker 1: I saw it there and I spoke about it there.
Speaker 1: We're going to revisit a discussion unfortunately we had there,
Speaker 1: which is the the lineup of the Blood Fire Death again.
Speaker 1: It's it's a bunch of people who have played in
Speaker 1: legendary black metal bands from from over the years. The
Speaker 1: lineup includes Eric from Latin as the vocalist. It includes
Speaker 1: Blasphema formerly of Mayhem on guitars, Ivar from Enslaved on guitars,
Speaker 1: Apollon who used being the More and also or a
Speaker 1: Noir and these type bands on bass. It has several
Speaker 1: revolving guest vocalists who also appear. So when I saw
Speaker 1: him last year, they had like Nurgel there, but also
Speaker 1: they frequently have Attila Chiha from Mayhem. Gruteal from enslaved
Speaker 1: Gal was there for this one which which was cool,
Speaker 1: which was again he wasn't there when I saw it
Speaker 1: last year. The drummer of this is Faust, the original
Speaker 1: old drummer of Emperor, has been around in many bands
Speaker 1: over the last couple of decades and again last year
Speaker 1: when we spoke about the Mystic Festival thing, I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I was very tentative, right, and I was
Speaker 1: very wary of that being such a topic that is
Speaker 1: so you know, close to the bone for so many people.
Speaker 1: If you are not aware. Faust again, the original drummer
Speaker 1: Emperor was sentenced to prison and convicted when he was
Speaker 1: about eighteen years old or something like that for the
Speaker 1: murder of a gay man. And he went to prison
Speaker 1: and served his time there and he's now like in
Speaker 1: his fifties and since his emergence he has you know,
Speaker 1: basically walked back into the button nel scene and has
Speaker 1: played in many bands, many original bands, but now he
Speaker 1: I think he most often turns up on people's radars,
Speaker 1: I suppose, and gets headlines. Sometimes he has appeared with Emperor,
Speaker 1: and he has again. He's the full time drummer here
Speaker 1: of the Blood Fire Death tribute band for Bathory. And
Speaker 1: it's such a difficult I am so so of how
Speaker 1: upsetting that is, right, because it's this difficult balance that
Speaker 1: I find talking about this kind of thing of believing
Speaker 1: and hoping for and wanting reform essentially, and the idea
Speaker 1: of someone who might well have done something terrible, like
Speaker 1: absolutely heinous, should never be allowed to forget they did
Speaker 1: that atrocious, but is then able to rehabilitate themselves. That's
Speaker 1: something that I have belief in, and that's something that
Speaker 1: I think if we don't have belief in that, then
Speaker 1: what's the point in any of it? You know, That's
Speaker 1: what all the stuff should be kind of aimed around,
Speaker 1: versus not letting people forget these crimes, right, and how
Speaker 1: that makes people feel, particularly in terms of the message
Speaker 1: that's sent out there. Because the thing with Faust is,
Speaker 1: from time to time in interviews and stuff like that
Speaker 1: he has expressed remorse for what he did, and I
Speaker 1: don't fundamentally, I don't believe Faust to be like an
Speaker 1: active danger in the current metal set right, Like he's
Speaker 1: been there for decades now basically being a pretty chill guy.
Speaker 1: But it's the I think what people might consider the
Speaker 1: appropriate gestures of like a much larger nature, like really
Speaker 1: like fully making a even if he has express remorse
Speaker 1: in you know, small fucking fans in interviews here or
Speaker 1: there or whatever, making a full on, like the public
Speaker 1: show of repenting and basically setting the standard for everyone else.
Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of what you'd hope for. I
Speaker 1: suppose it's like making sure that this kind of thing
Speaker 1: is never allowed to happen again. And so there is
Speaker 1: this struggle of again wanting to allow people to be
Speaker 1: better and to reform themselves and all of that versus
Speaker 1: what I am very very conscious of, which is people
Speaker 1: in marginalized communities who have experienced crimes like these against
Speaker 1: their communities basically being heard and being like you know,
Speaker 1: feeling seen and making sure they feel safe at these
Speaker 1: tup shows and stuff like that. And that is the
Speaker 1: that is the real struggle there. And I basically, I
Speaker 1: never want to approach anything like this and not acknowledge
Speaker 1: that conversation and acknowledge the wide breadth of feeling that
Speaker 1: there can be on that Does it change things at all?
Speaker 1: This performance also featured possibly the most prominent outwardly gay
Speaker 1: man in extreme metal, in Gull. I don't know, and
Speaker 1: it's not really for me to say. Like I said,
Speaker 1: that is just the facts of how it is. It's
Speaker 1: a very again complicated, I totally understand, very upsetting dilemma.
Speaker 1: But I never want to speak about anything like this
Speaker 1: and as I say, not make people are really aware
Speaker 1: of it, you know, and not acknowledge it if you
Speaker 1: are able to reconcile that and how personally you feel
Speaker 1: about that dilemma. The blood Fire eth Bathory tribute experience.
Speaker 1: I did speak about it last year. This was the
Speaker 1: first UK appearance of it, so I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people who had been eyeing up these experiences, this,
Speaker 1: you know, huge spectacle essentially for the black metal world abroad.
Speaker 1: Again it places like Beyond the Gates or whatever, wondering
Speaker 1: if it could appear in the UK. This was a
Speaker 1: pretty huge get for Incineration as the first, possibly only
Speaker 1: UK appearance of this like full on Bathory experience. And
Speaker 1: what was special thing about this one is that, like
Speaker 1: I said, I'd already seen it at Mystic, but it
Speaker 1: was looking around me at people who hadn't seen it before,
Speaker 1: like just with this look of like disbelief on their
Speaker 1: face and kind of the look of magic about it.
Speaker 1: Because Bathory, by rights, we should be seeing that music
Speaker 1: on stage played by the guy who made it right
Speaker 1: and Kawforn never played Bathory live. It was a studio
Speaker 1: and experience, but there was I think at times there
Speaker 1: was talk about if they were to bring it to
Speaker 1: the stage, and that's kind of the almost the the
Speaker 1: guy that this band has like followed as like how
Speaker 1: would we present bath three music on stage if it
Speaker 1: was to go there. But in terms of like formative music,
Speaker 1: the way that you can go and see Metallica playing
Speaker 1: Kill Them All songs, and you can see Trypticon playing
Speaker 1: Celtic FROs songs, and you can go see Slayer or
Speaker 1: whatever like this is like base level formative, essential ground
Speaker 1: zero for you know, the direction that heavy metal goes
Speaker 1: type stuff. And so seeing this material that for many
Speaker 1: people is like the most formative black met material they
Speaker 1: can imagine played on stage for the first time because
Speaker 1: it's never been done before, at least to this you know,
Speaker 1: level of like legitimacy, because it's basically like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a tribute band, but it's like an officially licensed tribute
Speaker 1: band featuring players who are very integral to that scene. Right,
Speaker 1: So seeing it presented with this level of legitimacy, people
Speaker 1: can't quite believe it, Like it's like, what do you mean,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing Bathary songs like it's fucking crazy in a
Speaker 1: huge venue with again Pyro and all of this stuff,
Speaker 1: and it, like you material from those like classic eighties
Speaker 1: run of records that is like again ground zero black metal.
Speaker 1: It's pretty unbelievable and opening with a Fine Day to Die,
Speaker 1: as they often have been doing on this But when
Speaker 1: I saw it last year, a mystic it was the
Speaker 1: front of room and slave who sang that, But here
Speaker 1: it was Ghl, which is another wonderful thing, was girl
Speaker 1: being present, not just here but at the festival. We
Speaker 1: were stood in the alley outside the Black Heart like
Speaker 1: before the He's eventually kicked in and Gahl walked down
Speaker 1: the street and you could tense, like you could sense
Speaker 1: that everyone in this alley, was like, it is that girl,
Speaker 1: because he's this very tall, imposing, striking looking man. Just
Speaker 1: he carries this like proper level of star power around
Speaker 1: it wherever he goes. But him singing A Fine Day
Speaker 1: to Die was really intense, particularly because girl one of
Speaker 1: the most vocally capable of inhuman things black mett all singers,
Speaker 1: and he hit at one point in this what I
Speaker 1: could only describe as like a black metal Mariah whistle note,
Speaker 1: to the point where he like, you know when singers
Speaker 1: like hold their like finger to their head as if
Speaker 1: they're trying to hit a certain note. I'm not again,
Speaker 1: I'm not capable or proficient enough to really know what
Speaker 1: that is. But he did one of those and hit
Speaker 1: like a whistle scream. It was so weird, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe a man is making that noise.
Speaker 1: But girl hitting that what an absolute fucking icon incredible.
Speaker 1: But then there's deeper for real. But then you know
Speaker 1: Eric from Wattin being almost like the chair of how
Speaker 1: his experience goes, and he is I think amongst black
Speaker 1: met vocalists, he's uniquely equipped to like making you feel
Speaker 1: like this stuff is real, Basically like in how he
Speaker 1: speaks to the audience, like they played the song for
Speaker 1: those who died by Bathory obviously, and he was like,
Speaker 1: this is a song it's basically about like witch burnings
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And he was like, this is
Speaker 1: a song for our like our mothers and sisters of
Speaker 1: the Black Hand. May we you know, it's like you
Speaker 1: may we always remember them? Like he really made a
Speaker 1: full fucking thing basically as if like we are there
Speaker 1: in that moment. Whereas for that that song and that
Speaker 1: kind of subject matter for many people could be very
Speaker 1: kitch you know what I mean, and just very sort
Speaker 1: of again sort of fantastical. But he, like Eric I think,
Speaker 1: is one of the best battle Front man at making
Speaker 1: you believe everything, just being like this is like real,
Speaker 1: you know, like this is the continuum we're in. Uh
Speaker 1: grew up from enslaved, did do you know some stuff
Speaker 1: as well. Attila Chiha from Mayhem was there as well.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by the logistical finances of this in terms
Speaker 1: of like when you book a band for a festival
Speaker 1: and there's five members, right, and you fly them all
Speaker 1: out and they all play at Tilla and again from
Speaker 1: a Slaves and they all seem to be like a
Speaker 1: part of this full time almost but they only appear
Speaker 1: to do a song or two. And I'm fascinated by
Speaker 1: the logistics of like who's book Like what how much
Speaker 1: do you get paid for this? Like are you booking
Speaker 1: your own flight? Like how the Bathary tribute show? Like
Speaker 1: camp of like how many people are on this rider
Speaker 1: or whatever? Because it's like ten musicians who seem to
Speaker 1: be going wherever they go, and obviously it's the big
Speaker 1: headline draw at the festival. But I am that sort
Speaker 1: of the logistics of who is who is not like
Speaker 1: a full time member of this thing where they're doing
Speaker 1: one song or two songs or whatever, is really the
Speaker 1: kind of behind the see stuff you don't think about.
Speaker 1: But I was intrigued by that. But a tilla from
Speaker 1: Mayhem Sporting, I must say at the moment one of
Speaker 1: the strangest hairstyles. It's a hairstyle that no human before
Speaker 1: him has ever had. I think, like you know the
Speaker 1: one I mean shown you. It's it's a real spectacle.
Speaker 2: This hair, oh his hair island.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. So I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: like describing it without seeing a picture. For you It's
Speaker 1: so weird because it's not like a normal haircut. Basically,
Speaker 1: he's bold apart from the hair that's like growing like
Speaker 1: above his ear basically like that level of hair line.
Speaker 1: He has let that grow and he styled it and
Speaker 1: curled it around the top of the crown of his
Speaker 1: head like imagine like a twirly mustache. But it's coming
Speaker 1: from the hair directly like that grows directly above your
Speaker 1: ear line, and he's looked it round. He looks like
Speaker 1: a monk from an alien planet. It's so insane because
Speaker 1: it's hair that no one has ever had before. And
Speaker 1: is it hair that I recommend anyone has? No But
Speaker 1: I do recommend that Attila Chiha has it because at
Speaker 1: Tilla has to look like an insane person because Attilla
Speaker 1: he carries this aura of one of the most maverick idea.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in your mind, people,
Speaker 1: imaginable And do I recommend that your average lamor and
Speaker 1: sports his hairstyle. Absolutely not. It's terrible. But I am
Speaker 1: so happy and so glad that Atila has this hair
Speaker 1: because no one could rock it and get away with
Speaker 1: it the way that he does through pure freak aura.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you say, no one else, but the guy
Speaker 2: who whenever I see pictures of him is usually screaming
Speaker 2: into a skull. Yeah that that guy have it. He
Speaker 2: should have this fucked up like coln Olver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone who has spent so many decades finding new
Speaker 1: weird ways to present himself and new looks and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Like he's like, I don't know when people
Speaker 1: talk about David Bowie being a chameleon, a man of
Speaker 1: a thousand looks or whatever, like this is like that
Speaker 1: for people with like literal skeletons under their bed, Like
Speaker 1: it's and God bless him for continuing to find new
Speaker 1: ways to look and present himself as outwardly bizarre. But
Speaker 1: him singing this stuff is always incredible because he just
Speaker 1: has the most fucked up though. It's so brilliant. And
Speaker 1: there's this brilliant thing with this Bathory show where you
Speaker 1: can look around and there's so much shared history between
Speaker 1: the players as well, Like there's the fact that it's
Speaker 1: Bathory songs, which is so important, and these are songs
Speaker 1: that kind of unite everyone on stage basically in being
Speaker 1: like almost the songs that got them into this thing.
Speaker 1: Basically the songs that at least set the template for
Speaker 1: what their bands are going to do. But then there's
Speaker 1: so much individual shared history and seeing Attila from Mayhem
Speaker 1: come out and he goes over and he's danding next
Speaker 1: to Blasphema, who used to be in Mayhem, and it's
Speaker 1: like those two together, it's like, Oh, that pair those
Speaker 1: guys wrote Auto ad Ko, like that one specific weird
Speaker 1: record that I have such a love affare with, Like
Speaker 1: that's the creative pair of minds on there together that
Speaker 1: produced that record. Who are there? Played this Bathory song
Speaker 1: or Woman of Dark Desires towards the end, which is
Speaker 1: one of the big Bathory bangers, right, like the real
Speaker 1: the ones that people know the words to. Normally, Eric
Speaker 1: from Matane is the main singer for that song, but
Speaker 1: Attilla just appeared. I think I don't know if he
Speaker 1: was meant to. I think he might have just wandered out,
Speaker 1: because I hear him like off stage doing his weird gurgle.
Speaker 1: I was like, where's that coming from? But then he appeared,
Speaker 1: and there's Eric from Wattine and Attila from Mayhem, who
Speaker 1: are basically like my two favorite black metal front men
Speaker 1: standing together singing this old classic Bathory song like it's
Speaker 1: just there's there is something really magical about that. I
Speaker 1: can't express how much like how exciting is for a
Speaker 1: black metal show to be a few songs in and
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, here's Grutle from Enslaved, you know,
Speaker 1: here's a tiller chee harm on, here's Ghal like it's
Speaker 1: it is a big spectacle in that regard, And I said,
Speaker 1: ending on as they always do the song blood Fire Death,
Speaker 1: and you get the whole full fucking like like sparklers
Speaker 1: coming from the top of the roundhouse ceiling and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. They had a few like tech problems compared
Speaker 1: to when I last saw them, where like the drum
Speaker 1: microphone just repeatedly like a few times in the set
Speaker 1: to shat it and there'd be like a minute where
Speaker 1: you would only hear like the I guess, the organic
Speaker 1: tone of the drums without the amplification. But then it
Speaker 1: would come back on and yeah, like I said, for
Speaker 1: me the second time seeing the Bathory set, a couple
Speaker 1: of different guests, a couple of different songs, you know,
Speaker 1: added and removed based from last time, based on maybe
Speaker 1: what guests are around. I don't know what they're deciding
Speaker 1: to do, but the first time in the UK, and
Speaker 1: like I said, seeing lots of people who Bathy clearly
Speaker 1: runs in their veins. Getting to see that for the
Speaker 1: first time was again quite a memorable experience in itself.
Speaker 1: And that was the end of Incineration Festival for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six. Again, don't know what they'll have next year,
Speaker 1: who knows if our be there or not, but I'm
Speaker 1: always at least intrigued by what is appearing on Incineration.
Speaker 1: Everyone who got Sea Dragon Sunlight for the first time
Speaker 1: this weekend, I hope that it lived up to everything
Speaker 1: that we were picking it up as I can't imagine
Speaker 1: it didn't because what the fuck is wrong with you
Speaker 1: and the real again eyes on the horizon for it.
Speaker 1: For me, what comes next is a Feather and Bone
Speaker 1: with a new record like because that was just we
Speaker 1: were being cooked, we were being like absolutely meets tender eyed.
Speaker 1: It was fucking mentally. They were brilliant. So yeah, cheers
Speaker 1: for everybody go hung out over Incineration Festival. Thank you Mark
Speaker 1: for joining me here and listen to me talk a
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