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<v Speaker 3>All Right, sports fans, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 4>It is the Drive with Spence Check. It's here on

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Scott Mitchell filling in for sent today and the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of this weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's been here all week and I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>I have a lot. I feel like it's home now.

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<v Speaker 4>what we talk about, because we talk about the most

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<v Speaker 4>important things, the things you care about, the things that

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<v Speaker 4>are interesting, the things that move the needle.

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<v Speaker 3>We're doing it all right right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of doing it, we have none other than former

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<v Speaker 4>Ute and BYU wide receiver coach Guy Holiday joins the program.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy, how are you today?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great Scott, How are you doing? Man?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm living the dream and it's not a nightmare, so

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<v Speaker 4>I cannot complain.

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<v Speaker 3>I am. I'm a happy camera.

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<v Speaker 1>You.

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<v Speaker 3>So tell me what are you up to these days?

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<v Speaker 1>I own a a sports training facility actually twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>thousand square feet down here, and so that got my

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<v Speaker 1>health back good. So, uh whatever, So.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know, because it's fall camp started, you know

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<v Speaker 4>that the juices are flowing and uh, and your facility

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<v Speaker 4>looks amazing, and you know there's something about that. I

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<v Speaker 4>would love to do myself to just kind of work

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<v Speaker 4>with athletes and develop and train. But so it sounds

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<v Speaker 4>really cool. But uh, do you do you miss coaching?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you miss when it gets to be this time

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<v Speaker 4>of year and you're you're finally starting up again?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that that's I go back and forth. I

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<v Speaker 1>certainly I missed the camaraderie of being around you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fellow coaches. I miss I missed the players. Uh, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the grind of it. I think you I

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<v Speaker 1>miss it, but uh, you just want it kind of controlled,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And quite honestly, the last year and a

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<v Speaker 1>half when I was at Utah, I got ill and

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<v Speaker 1>it just wore me down it, you know, and and

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<v Speaker 1>it goes that way sometimes, but no, yeah, of course

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<v Speaker 1>I miss it. I think there's nothing better than a

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night football game, and uh so, sure you missed

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<v Speaker 1>that and the ability you don't have the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>compete anymore, but that competitiveness you can pass on to

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<v Speaker 1>your to your players, and so that part of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do miss that. I'm not going to say I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So who is your favorite player that you coached?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's that's tough. I have a lot. Greg Jennings

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<v Speaker 1>was the one that comes to mind. Uh, Reggie Barlow.

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<v Speaker 1>Love Reggie Barlow, I love Tim Patrick. I think Tim

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<v Speaker 1>formed a really good relationship with Tim Raylan Singleton and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going back to Utah days. Of course, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Uh, you gotta include Jordan Leslie considering he's

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<v Speaker 1>my stepson, and uh so you all that comes. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been so many good players that I've been fortunate enough

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<v Speaker 1>to be around. But you know this, and being a

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<v Speaker 1>former player, it's I think what you really take pride

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<v Speaker 1>in is what they become as men. And that always

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<v Speaker 1>meant something to me. I mean, Sampson, the Corps, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I love coaching Samson and he was a character, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you love I used to always say the

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<v Speaker 1>ideal thing is to have characters with character and and

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that those are the guys I missed.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, but it's so many through the years. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think one day I sit down, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty four or thirty five NFL players that I coached.

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<v Speaker 1>So hopefully I made an impact on those guys when

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<v Speaker 1>I had them. And and you know, you go from there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's quite a list. You just let you just named.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I throw all those guys, I'd be happy

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<v Speaker 4>to do that. So they're great players. I just remember.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know why I remember this, but when I

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<v Speaker 4>was when I was recruited to go play in college

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<v Speaker 4>and I was recruited by b why you and h

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<v Speaker 4>and Lavelle Edwards And we had a conversation one time.

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<v Speaker 4>It just stuck with me, and it was and and

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<v Speaker 4>he actually told me who his favorite players were. And

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<v Speaker 4>I just I just found that, I don't know, fascinating,

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<v Speaker 4>that he actually he actually had favorites and that he

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<v Speaker 4>was willing to tell me who they were. And and

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<v Speaker 4>that was it was a short list too, But I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, it was just it was just fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>And then.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just going to say, you know, I coached, Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I coached at my high school and and

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<v Speaker 4>I had never thought anything could be as satisfying as

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<v Speaker 4>punt being a player, like it was the coolest thing

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<v Speaker 4>in the world, you know, to go play football and

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<v Speaker 4>play it at the level I did.

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<v Speaker 3>But man, you talk about having.

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<v Speaker 4>An impact on these these young men's lives, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was really it became really satisfying and really cool to

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<v Speaker 4>me that you could go back and uh and actually

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<v Speaker 4>teach someone else something and they get it, and then

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<v Speaker 4>to watch them succeed at it and and excel. I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, I don't know that this is less than

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<v Speaker 4>being a player. In a lot of ways, it's even

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<v Speaker 4>more satisfying.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for me being a coach and having played

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<v Speaker 1>at at every level, being a coach was far more rewarding.

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<v Speaker 1>Which you know, once you get to college and then

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL, it's a job. It's the rewards, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>once you get to a certain level really comes in

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<v Speaker 1>winning and uh, when you are a coach, the rewards

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<v Speaker 1>is watching someone develop and and helping them become not

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<v Speaker 1>only a good football player, but a better person, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's been fortunate for me. I left one

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<v Speaker 1>person off the list. One of my all time favorite

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<v Speaker 1>tape to go back, Grick Covey. But anyway, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he's when you talk about I think the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is a coach that you love the most. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>fun to coach talented guys, but it's probably funner to

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<v Speaker 1>coach a guy who maybe not have as much talent,

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<v Speaker 1>but he puts in so much work and you just

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<v Speaker 1>watch him get rewarded for the hard work. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's so pleasurable for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I could totally see that now. I also know

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<v Speaker 4>that these young men are still young men. Brain's not

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<v Speaker 4>fully developed, and it comes with challenges. What was the

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<v Speaker 4>most challenge, because it would just drive me nuts, What

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<v Speaker 4>was the most challenging part of coaching these young men

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<v Speaker 4>and knowing that they're going to just do stupid things

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<v Speaker 4>from time to time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the first thing that's most challenging is getting

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<v Speaker 1>young people to understand that football is not a right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a privilege, and understanding all the work that has

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<v Speaker 1>to go and to be successful. And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, obviously social media was influential when I was

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<v Speaker 1>when I was coaching. Now it's it's worse. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the most frustrating things even now,

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<v Speaker 1>that I see people look at a thirty second clip

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<v Speaker 1>of glory and they never look at the story. They

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<v Speaker 1>never look at how hard it is to be successful,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that was nerve wracking. And of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being in in the NFL and college, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>toughest groups to coach are receivers when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>managing egos and this whole class thing going to class,

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<v Speaker 1>and so those were the things that you struggle with

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<v Speaker 1>and you you knew that you just had to stick

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<v Speaker 1>with it long enough to where the light bulb came on.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that when you say about rewarding, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the most rewarding thing. When they find they wake up

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<v Speaker 1>that morning, they walk in and it's like, who is

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<v Speaker 1>this guy? This? This is the guy that I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>him to be. And I think that that so the

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<v Speaker 1>frustrating part is watching him screw it up over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again, no matter how many times you try to

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<v Speaker 1>tell him, uh. And I'm a parent, so that's just

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<v Speaker 1>like your kids, and and then watching that light bulb

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<v Speaker 1>come on, and then and and maybe the most disappointing

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<v Speaker 1>thing are the ones that you couldn't reach or they

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<v Speaker 1>made a poor decision that affected the rest of their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, you were born in Baltimore. Did you grow up

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<v Speaker 3>in Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up born in Baltimore. Spent a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of my time in California, between Baltimore and California. Most

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<v Speaker 1>people know, my dad was something owing, my mother was

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<v Speaker 1>Cuban and so came from a totally different background, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I, you know, spent so much time in California,

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<v Speaker 1>and then but most of my life that I can recall,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to some school in California. But back to Baltimore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so on the West side of Baltimore. I always try

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<v Speaker 1>to tell people to ask me where, and I tell

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<v Speaker 1>them exactly where the wire happened. I grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>the Murphy Home Projects.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, my agent is from Baltimore. I spent a good

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<v Speaker 4>deal of time there and I've had crabcakes. That's what

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<v Speaker 4>I want to talk about. Have you ever had crabcakes?

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<v Speaker 4>I lost crabcakes.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've never had a Maryland crabcake, you haven't had

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<v Speaker 1>a crack cake.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is different. It's no filler, it's blue crabs straight

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<v Speaker 1>from the Chesapeake Bay and it's it's to die for.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually have crab meat ship out and I

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<v Speaker 1>make my crack cakes.

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<v Speaker 4>Here, So I have done that before, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 4>I actually have. H So why was it like? What

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<v Speaker 4>was it like at USC?

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<v Speaker 1>And I ended up there? Obviously the summer and tradition

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<v Speaker 1>helped me being my first year at high school in

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<v Speaker 1>California health and it was at that time USC recruited

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<v Speaker 1>the East Coast pretty good. I mean when you the

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<v Speaker 1>Chip banks from Augusta, Georgia. You know, when Pete Carroll

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<v Speaker 1>it was a natural for me. I would go down

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<v Speaker 1>me out. The house didn't want me hanging around, and

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<v Speaker 1>so my uncle would flop me out if I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>already in California and go And that's how it ended up.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, what was your What was it like?

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<v Speaker 1>It was at that time probably that some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most talented people I've ever been around, whether it's Kobe Brenner,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's coming in when Marcus Allen is leaving, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's uh leaving and seeing Junior say out come in.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the players were and you know back in

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<v Speaker 1>that time, you weren't transferring. I called home and told

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<v Speaker 1>my mother I wanted to come home, and she asked me,

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<v Speaker 1>did I realize how long the greyhound bus ride was

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<v Speaker 1>It was great. The tradition was great, you know Jr.

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<v Speaker 3>Like every kid, that's the first place they want to go.

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<v Speaker 4>And I and and then if they don't, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>of kids Utah gets, they want to play USC every year,

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<v Speaker 4>just I was just curious to what, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>Well it was it was a ball and like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think every kid. Hell, when I got to Utah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the one game I circled on the schedule

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<v Speaker 1>every year. You know, I know Utah b y U

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<v Speaker 4>So, speaking of U b y U and Utah, you

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<v Speaker 4>coached at both of these schools. Uh, tell me a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit about that, Like what was similar about these

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there there is because and Kyle will

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<v Speaker 1>lot of similarities with Wit and Bronco menden Hall in

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<v Speaker 1>to describe this like b y you is I've never

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<v Speaker 1>coached a place like that where if you are walk outside,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody knows you. If you go, you know, did something,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone knows you. So that was tough, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was that was challenging. It was somewhat like that at

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi State, but you know that was different. Uh, certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Utah. What I loved about Utah the people, the

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<v Speaker 1>people were great. It was you know, a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more diversity for me, not being LDS a lot more diversity.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I had the george of being under

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<v Speaker 1>two two really good head coaches and two defensive minded

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<v Speaker 1>how similar they are from a football philosophy standpoint. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>communicate every now and then. But I mean Utah is

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<v Speaker 1>Utah was everything that FS was. It was punch you

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<v Speaker 1>in a face, defense, run the ball down your throat,

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<v Speaker 1>and make some big plays. And it was about toughness.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so much about toughness when I first got there,

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<v Speaker 1>loved that culture. Both both the universities are very unique,

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<v Speaker 1>my reality with with people. And then but just coming

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So they were both very unique experiences. And if

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<v Speaker 1>either one of those? Yeah, you know, I think with

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<v Speaker 1>Kliney being there, and then you know, always with with is.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Kyle Whittingham. I can't say enough about him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think people are don't expect much from Utah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just like, I don't know how you can

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<v Speaker 1>know Kyle Whittingham and think that he was going to

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<v Speaker 3>There's no way that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I've worked for two people that hated lou as much

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<v Speaker 1>as as much as any two people I've been around,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wore it on that sleeve. Kyle Whittingham and

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie Sheryl. You love winning the boy when you lost,

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<v Speaker 1>you knew, you knew that freaking Sunday meeting and that

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<v Speaker 1>Monday meeting and just get through Tuesdays practice and it's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and but that's what you love about him.

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<v Speaker 1>He taught.

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<v Speaker 3>He told me that.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, he said, I get after my coaches on

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<v Speaker 4>Sunday he goes, he goes, I get after him.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you can't be a meek individual, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>worked for Kyle Whittingham. What I loved about with he

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<v Speaker 1>asked your input, He asked honest questions and if you

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<v Speaker 1>gave him honest answers and if he got after you

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<v Speaker 1>and you were up to the challenge, he always respected that.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I love about him. It wasn't He's

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<v Speaker 1>not the people have this say only beat you up. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I never. He never wants to beat me up. And

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<v Speaker 1>he was always when he came at me, he always

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<v Speaker 1>wanted feedback. And that's what I will always respect about him. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just He's a tough minded, just straightforward, honest person.

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<v Speaker 3>That's who he is and that's what he wants. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I.

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<v Speaker 4>I have been perplexed by this for ages and and

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<v Speaker 4>I do the color for the for Utah and half

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<v Speaker 4>for the last year eight years, you know, alumni all

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<v Speaker 4>that stuff, and watched.

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<v Speaker 3>This for years and we threw the heck out of football.

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<v Speaker 4>When when I was at Utah and and and they

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<v Speaker 4>don't throw the heck out of the football now and then.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be honest, it's a little hard to watch, but

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<v Speaker 4>but I I work through it. How do you get

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<v Speaker 4>your receivers where there's so many they're so limited in

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<v Speaker 4>their opportunities, you know, I mean just just they warm

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<v Speaker 4>up before the game, they're catching the ball and it

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<v Speaker 4>might be two hours of actual time before they see

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<v Speaker 4>their first pass. I mean, you know, I think that's hard,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, and to stay focused and then to

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<v Speaker 4>actually make a play, and usually it's like on third

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<v Speaker 4>it's a critical situation, you know, And uh, how do

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<v Speaker 4>you keep your guys focused when when they're their opportunities

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<v Speaker 4>to catch the football kind of are limited.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what you have to go in is be

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<v Speaker 1>honest with them and just really sell the point that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not how many balls you get, it's what you

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<v Speaker 1>do with the ones that you do get. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you pout and you're so frustrated, I can promise you

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<v Speaker 1>and my experience, when the opportunity comes, you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to perform because you're in your own mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's certainly I think when I when I first

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<v Speaker 1>got there. It was certainly a lot easier with a rod.

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<v Speaker 1>We did throw it around a little bit. I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you go back my first year with Luod, we

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<v Speaker 1>did throw it. I think a lot of people forget

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<v Speaker 1>University of Washington game we had five two or three

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<v Speaker 1>receivers close to one hundred yards. I think it was three.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think you do throw it. I think what

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<v Speaker 1>people misunderstand about Kyle Whittingham, he is not anti throwing

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<v Speaker 1>the football. He does not walk in and tell a

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<v Speaker 1>coordinator you got to run the ball. He walks in

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<v Speaker 1>and he's all he wants is success. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was there with Troy Taylor and Troy we I

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<v Speaker 1>think we were together two years and we threw the

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<v Speaker 1>hell out of it. But you know, the hard thing

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<v Speaker 1>in football is understanding your offense and defense, and teams

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<v Speaker 1>have to compliment each other. And so I think people

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<v Speaker 1>misunderstand with Witt wants to score points. And I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that, and Wit has no problem throwing the ball. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what he doesn't want to do is go for a

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<v Speaker 1>straight series of three and out right you know which

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<v Speaker 1>is And you know when Lud came, Lud was very

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<v Speaker 1>much from coaching a receiver standpoint. I think that's when

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<v Speaker 1>it got a little challenging because, and you know, being

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL, you're zipping down receivers to go dig

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<v Speaker 1>to make the key block on power. And I never

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<v Speaker 1>lied to a kid when I was recruiting them. I

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<v Speaker 1>never would never tell a kid, hey, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>throw it a hundred times, you're going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>starting receiver. I never did that. So I think you

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<v Speaker 1>got to sell them on the fact that this is

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<v Speaker 1>how the NFL plays, and you got to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to take advantage of it when you get your opportunities.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it, I love the conversation, really enjoyed this.

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<v Speaker 4>Appreciate your time today and wish you all the best

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<v Speaker 4>of luck with your adventure you got going there.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds sounds really exciting. And take care.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I appreciated Scott. And I'll tell you who I

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<v Speaker 1>ran across about. I was in Atlanta a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>months back, and I ran across Robert Torche and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you remember. Oh yes, that's right, brother. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, he be good here, All right, there you

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<v Speaker 4>have a guy Holiday, former wide receiver coach at Utah.

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<v Speaker 3>Very fascinating stuff, really cool. Love love the interview.