WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.680 It was very late in the night, not quite morning yet. 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:05.240 We were heading back to our camp. Both of us 3 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:08.119 started feeling really uneasy. I felt like we weren't alone. 4 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:11.000 We were heading toward that tree line where our tent was. 5 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:16.399 That's when we both heard a very, very very loud scream. 6 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:19.280 I felt it in my stomach, my bones. It was 7 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:22.079 incredibly loud. It was high pitched, but at the same 8 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:24.719 time you could also hear almost like a war. We 9 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:28.440 started running full speed toward that tree line to get 10 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:32.119 to our camp, and we're hearing what sounds like trees 11 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.679 kind of falling. We're just terrified. We're just trying to 12 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:38.640 get to our campsite. Our campsite is completely destroyed. There's 13 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:41.719 trees on top of it, the fences down, the tent 14 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:45.520 is crushed, there's trees fallen all over it. And we 15 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:47.320 had no idea what could have done that. 16 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:22.879 This is Bigfoot cross Roads. My name's Matt and I'd 17 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.519 like to welcome Phil to the show. Phil email me 18 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:29.239 with a very interesting story and I can't wait to 19 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:30.920 get into it. Phil, how are you. 20 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:32.959 Man, I'm good. I'm good. 21 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.280 Your story starts off pretty interesting, just kind of start 22 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:39.159 us off at the beginning and walk us through it. 23 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:44.280 Yeah, it does. It starts off a long time ago, 24 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:53.480 back before I knew anything about Bigfoot. I I think 25 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.439 the only thing I had ever heard at that time 26 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:58.159 about it was you know, Harry and the Henderson's, which 27 00:01:58.319 --> 00:01:59.920 you know, was just a funny little movie. 28 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:00.480 Right. 29 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:03.680 So, you know, I was as a kid, I uh, 30 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.719 I kind of grew up in a in a crappy 31 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:13.199 situation and decided when I was a teenager that I 32 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.319 was going to run away and escaped kind of an 33 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:21.000 abusive household. I went to New York City. At first, 34 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:26.319 too many people though, there was. It was a lot 35 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:28.280 going on. There was, you know, I was on the 36 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:32.919 missing Person's list. It was. It was a little a 37 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:35.719 little scary out there. After about a year or that, 38 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:40.520 I decided that I would go into the remote wilderness 39 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.599 and the pine barrens of New Jersey with a buddy 40 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:49.159 of mine. So that's what we did. I had I 41 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:55.560 had some outdoor skills. I was obsessed with kind of 42 00:02:56.080 --> 00:03:01.680 survival and bushcraft as a child. I was always trying 43 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:04.879 to build stuff and I had this cool book. I 44 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:09.599 think it was like the The Sas Survival Guide. I 45 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:13.039 think the Altar was like John Wiseman, I think he 46 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:18.039 was like this. He was the first, the youngest soldier 47 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:22.719 to join the sas pretty cool guy. So I had 48 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.960 that book and I read it over a few times 49 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:30.039 as a child, and you know, when you're a teenager, 50 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.759 after reading something like that, you think you're invincible out there. 51 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:42.319 So yeah, me and my me and my buddy got 52 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.159 together with another friend who lived really close to this 53 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:50.560 really remote area in the pine barrens, and he kinda 54 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:54.159 he kind of hooked us up and took us to 55 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:59.280 the store to get some essentials. And yeah, we we 56 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:04.039 headed out and picked up you know, some knives, some 57 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:11.560 a tent, some other survival stuff and decided to go out. 58 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:13.759 We I think it was probably about three or four 59 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:19.319 miles deep into the into the pine barrens off the 60 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:24.879 off this like kind of like little side road, and 61 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:29.399 he lived probably another mile from there, so it wasn't 62 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:33.279 we were pretty remote, but we were also we could 63 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:36.560 walk to his house if we if we left early enough, 64 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:42.519 and we would do that every so often and you know, 65 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:44.480 get some food, get a shower. 66 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:49.360 Yeah, now you said you were a teenager, how old? 67 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:55.319 I was probably fourteen fifteen at the time. Oh wow, 68 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:01.480 pretty young. Yeah, yeah, very young, immature. 69 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.720 You know, I mean, but you don't think that at 70 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:08.560 the time. At the time, you know everything, and like 71 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:10.240 you said, you're invincible. 72 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:14.360 Of course. Yeah, and you know, wasn't wasn't afraid of anything, 73 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.519 you know, after a year living on the streets in 74 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.399 New York City kind of yeah, you kind of don't 75 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.439 fear much, I imagine. But yeah, we uh, we found 76 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.879 we hiked into the woods. We we found this really 77 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.399 cool area that was I don't know if you know 78 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.560 about the Pine Barrens, but it's kind of sandy. In 79 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.319 some parts of the Pine barrens, they have a lot 80 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:40.120 of sands, and there was this one part that was 81 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:45.800 like very sandy, had like this crazy white sand and 82 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.759 these uh, I guess these BMX dudes like kind of 83 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:54.480 dug out some ramps and stuff and ditches and dudes 84 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.920 will take their dirt bikes out there sometimes. It was 85 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.000 pretty cool. It was kind of like a little open 86 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:05.160 area in the middle of the woods kind of you 87 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.680 could see everything. You could see for for a long distance, 88 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:12.600 and where we were we had a little height to 89 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.639 it so you could kind of see down and really cool. 90 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:17.800 So we we saw that and we were like, oh, 91 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.800 maybe we should, you know, get somewhere close to here. 92 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:26.160 So then we found this little tree line. We walked 93 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.360 into it a bit, and it went down a bit 94 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.639 and kind of flattened out, and we found this really 95 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:36.160 cool little camp area that was really hidden, very thick 96 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:39.959 all around it. You know, we were trying to avoid detection, 97 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.120 which was our number one goal at that time. We 98 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.720 did not want to end up in you know, protective 99 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:51.040 services or anything like that. We had a healthy fear 100 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:56.160 of that. So yeah, so we we found this little area, 101 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:01.560 we set up the tent, got a little kind of 102 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:06.439 fire pit from that book I learned to you know, 103 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:11.519 it teaches you how to avoid detection. So we we 104 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.480 did kind of like the full I guess you would 105 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:17.920 call it Dakota fire pit, where it feeds air from 106 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.399 one side into into a hole and the fire kind 107 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:25.160 of stays a little below below the ground so that 108 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.680 you're not you know, you don't have like a giant 109 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.600 bonfire in the middle of the woods. So we had 110 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:36.920 one of those just you know, after everything was set up, 111 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:40.480 we would just walk around and forage and just try 112 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:47.160 to learn our surroundings a bit more. But ever since 113 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:51.319 the first night. You know, there was weird. There was 114 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:58.399 weird sounds that we weren't used to, and definite pretty creepy. 115 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:07.120 We would hear, you know, twigs breaking and things walking 116 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.920 around our camp at night, and we did not know 117 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.160 what it was. We just kind of figured it with animals. 118 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:20.800 So I decided that we should build a little perimeter fence. 119 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:25.920 We did that. We took a bunch of saplings, cut 120 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:30.560 them down, tied them together with some power cord and 121 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:34.679 duct tape and whatever we could, stuck them into the ground, 122 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:40.480 and built this pretty intricate perimeter fence around our whole camp, 123 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.919 which also helped us remain a little more undetected. It 124 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:49.679 was pretty camouflaged in there. We could barely see it 125 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.559 if you were just walking around back there, so that 126 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.039 made us feel a little more safe. But we would 127 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:00.879 every night we'd hear walking all around our camps and 128 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:05.559 it to me sounded like bipedal walking. So we thought 129 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:11.440 maybe there could be some kind of you know, recluse 130 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.720 type dude out there, maybe also living out there with us. 131 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.919 Did you see wildlife out there? Did you see deer 132 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:20.440 and stuff? 133 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:26.320 Oh? Yeah, there was loads of deer, Yeah, loads and 134 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:29.919 loads of deer, so many, I mean an insane amount 135 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.679 of deer all the time. There was all kinds of 136 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:40.360 different birds all the time, raccoons all the time, possums, 137 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:43.000 you know, just like the small kind of critters. Yeah, 138 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:47.000 we didn't run into anything crazy, but yeah, like I said, 139 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:51.559 mostly deer, but these did not sound like deer. When 140 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:53.840 the deer would come through, you could tell, you could 141 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.559 hear that they were there was four legs coming down, 142 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:01.000 and the way they moved this was a little different. 143 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:05.039 It got to the point where we were literally thinking 144 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:10.320 like is this place haunted or something? Yeah, it's movies, 145 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:15.159 it was. It was very close to our our perimeter wall. 146 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:18.279 We would hear these such steps just walking in circles 147 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.480 all around all night, and then we started hearing like 148 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.039 little noises here and there just kind of progressed as 149 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.440 we were there. We would hear whistles that did not 150 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.960 sound like birds because you could tell like there was 151 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:36.159 like all these different kind of birds out there. It 152 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:39.519 was have you ever heard of a whipparial? Yeah, yeah, 153 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:41.960 that would be like the night sounds would be lots 154 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:45.720 of those things. I'm not even gonna try to mimic 155 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:50.360 that that sounds, but Yeah, it's a bird called a whipparill, 156 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.200 and their sound actually sounds like whipparil. Yeah, you know 157 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:59.399 to do you would hear that all night long, and 158 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.440 then all of a sudd it would when those footsteps came, 159 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:05.720 it would just get all the birds would would stop, 160 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.480 all the little critters would stop. It would get super quiet. 161 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:15.759 And yeah, that's when we would start hearing those footsteps. 162 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.200 Then the whistles started. We would hear like a whistle, 163 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:24.240 then another whistle, you know, maybe fifty yards away. 164 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:26.360 How would you describe the whistle? 165 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:32.039 Very loud, kind of like you know, you know, like 166 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.799 when you're a kid at like a baseball game or 167 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:37.840 something and and you see like you see one of 168 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.120 those dudes like stick his two fingers in his mouth 169 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:44.759 and just go hard and just belt out a whistle, 170 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:48.039 you know, one of those kind of Yeah, just a 171 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.039 very loud, long whistle. 172 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:51.759 Was it like single tone? 173 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.679 There would usually be one to three. I'd notice it 174 00:11:55.799 --> 00:12:00.159 was always either one or three, okay, but very long 175 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:02.919 and drawn out. Yeah. We did not know what to 176 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:06.200 think about that. Literally, we we we thought it was 177 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:09.919 haunted or something. You know, we were young. We had 178 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:12.600 we had never we had never lived in the woods 179 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:17.519 like that, So yeah, it was terrifying, but we kind 180 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:21.840 of just you know, paid no attention really after a 181 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.200 while that we just kind of got used to it. 182 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:29.080 Is this something? Was it happening every single night pretty much? 183 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:29.600 Yeah? 184 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:30.519 Wow? 185 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:35.639 Yeah, at least something, you know, if it wasn't the whistles, 186 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.840 it was just the footsteps or you know, and just 187 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:41.840 started progressing, like we started getting things thrown at the 188 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:49.559 into the campsite, pine cones, little little stones and acorns 189 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:55.399 and stuff like over the fence, yes, yep, right onto 190 00:12:55.440 --> 00:13:03.200 the tent. Wow. Yeah. And you know, we'd look around 191 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:08.039 outside there was no pine cones hanging over our tent. 192 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:10.879 The trees around their tent and not have cones on them, 193 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:16.440 so that was pretty strange. Again, never bigfoot never came 194 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:22.320 into our our thoughts. We were just kind of weirded up, 195 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:26.200 like where are these coming from? It was a strange. 196 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.159 There was one day we were out there and we 197 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:33.000 were kind of just walking around foraging and stuff. We 198 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:36.360 were just I had I had this book of plants 199 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:40.200 and stuff I was trying to I was trying to 200 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.159 identify some plants, and there was this kid on a 201 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.519 on a dirt bike that was driving. I guess he 202 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:50.600 had come from that sand pit area and he saw 203 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.360 us and we saw him. We all we made eye 204 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:59.879 contact and I'm like, oh, great, were spotted. But the kid, like, 205 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.279 you know, he came over to us and asked us 206 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:04.519 what we were doing, and we kind of told him. 207 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:08.600 He was a little younger than us. He seemed pretty 208 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:10.720 cool though he was. He's like, yeah, I won't tell 209 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:14.399 on you guys. And then he told us, don't you 210 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:18.720 know the mafia used to dumb bodies back here? And 211 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:25.360 we're like, hmm, well, okay, that's weird. And then we 212 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:28.600 start thinking, okay, the mafia used to dumb bodies back here? 213 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:31.679 Is this what we're hearing at night? That we're hearing 214 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:37.879 you know, some sort of paranormal stuff? So yeah, you know, 215 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:42.000 we had that in our heads. That added a level 216 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:46.399 of you know terror to the when the when the 217 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.639 night came. Yeah, you know, it kept going on and 218 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.240 on and on, and it was one night we uh, 219 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:57.440 we went out with our buddy. We hung out with 220 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:02.080 him for a little bit and it was it was 221 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.039 really late. It was probably like it had to have 222 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:08.320 been like eleven thirty twelve. Maybe I don't know I have. 223 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:11.279 It was so long ago, I can't tell you what 224 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.759 time was. It was very late in the night, not 225 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:17.000 quite morning yet. He dropped us off at the tree 226 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:23.519 line and we were heading back to our camp, and 227 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:29.519 both of us started feeling really uneasy, very nauseous, and 228 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:34.919 kind of just not right, like kind of like felt 229 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.519 like we weren't alone. And we had been talking about it. 230 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:42.080 We were like, this doesn't feel right. We were just like, whatever, 231 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:46.120 let's just get to our camp, so we'll walk in. 232 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:50.279 We get to that sand pit area there was the 233 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:54.080 moon is out, the sand is almost kind of illuminating 234 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.720 off the the moon is kind of illuminating the sand, 235 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:02.600 so you could see pretty well. And we were heading 236 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:08.440 toward that tree line where our tent was, and that's 237 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:16.879 when we both heard a very very very loud scream 238 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:20.240 like a woman being murdered, kind of like how everyone 239 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:24.879 describes it, you know, yeah, rattles right through your body. 240 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:30.399 I felt it in my stomach, my bones. It was. 241 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:37.399 It was incredibly loud and high pitched, but there seemed 242 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.120 to be like another tone with it was high pitched, 243 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.919 but at the same time, you could also hear almost 244 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:46.080 like a war at the at the exact same time. 245 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:53.039 That was just deep and guttural. So we both heard 246 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:58.159 that and stopped in our tracks. I feel like the 247 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:03.440 only thing I can compare the feeling too was when 248 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.279 I was at a Motorhead show and I was standing 249 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.960 ten feet from Lemme's bassamp and he came out and 250 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.400 started playing that song Overkill, and that bass from from 251 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:22.200 that is like what I felt in that screen. That 252 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.960 just completely just feel it through you from your head 253 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:31.640 to your toes, inside and out. You know, we had 254 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:36.400 no idea what that was. We started running full speed 255 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.240 toward that tree line to get to our to our camp. 256 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.519 So we get to the tree line and we're going 257 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:48.079 through the really really sick brush to get to our 258 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:54.119 camp and we're hearing what sounds like trees kind of falling. 259 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.759 I'm like, I stopped. I'm like, doesn't it some like 260 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:03.000 trees falling? I mean, well, the scream happened a couple 261 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.799 more times before we got to our camp. So at 262 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:10.039 this point we are like, we don't know what we're 263 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.119 dealing with. We're just terrified. We're just trying to get 264 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.400 to our campsite. We had all kinds of knives and 265 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:21.799 stuff there. We were trying to get to them. And 266 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:26.240 then I get a look at where our campsite is, 267 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:29.920 and I stopped my buddy and I'm like, look, and 268 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:35.680 our campsite is completely destroyed. There's trees on top of it, 269 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:40.559 the the fence is down, the tent is crushed, there's 270 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:46.200 trees falling all over it. We couldn't even we couldn't 271 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:50.599 even get to it, and we had no idea what 272 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:53.599 could have done that. So we just turned around and 273 00:18:53.640 --> 00:19:01.960 we just started booking it. Those screams got a lot louder, 274 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:06.359 a lot closer. We started seeing like from the tree 275 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:10.279 lined these trees shaking back and forth, and I'm like, 276 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:14.319 what is shaking those trees? We jumped in this this 277 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:16.680 kind of dugout hole that was kind of like a 278 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:20.720 bowl that they would use for dirt biking, and we 279 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:24.880 were just literally huddled in there trying to hide from 280 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:30.319 whatever this this was. And we were just duck down 281 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:35.160 in the sandpit, literally getting screened at. Every time we'd 282 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:38.960 peek out, we'd see like there was at one point 283 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:42.279 there was a tree that was out. We saw these 284 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:46.640 this almost like a root ball getting smashed between these 285 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:50.839 two trees and just dirt flying everywhere. It was just 286 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:55.200 loud dumping. It was horrifying. We had no idea what 287 00:19:55.279 --> 00:20:01.039 could have been doing that. At that point, I asked 288 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:04.880 my buddy if he thinks like someone slipped acid into 289 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:10.400 our drink or something, because it was just it was 290 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:14.640 so out of this world. It was just so it 291 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:19.000 was you know, you can't describe it, especially when you 292 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:24.960 have no concept of what you know these creatures are due. 293 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.319 So we had no idea, Like, I had no other 294 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:33.839 explanation than like, this is either paranormal or both of 295 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:38.319 us are having the same exact acid trip because we 296 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:40.839 got slipped acid. Like that's the only thing I could 297 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:43.880 have could think of at the time. But we were 298 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:45.759 only with a good friend of ours, So I mean, 299 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:49.839 it's damn near impossible that that was it. But you know, 300 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.039 we were just trying to come up with something that 301 00:20:52.079 --> 00:21:00.759 it could be. Yeah, so he's my buddy. My buddy 302 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:05.480 starts hearing stuff in in his own head. I didn't 303 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:11.240 have this. He started really freaking out that something was 304 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:13.200 talking to him in his head, and that's when I 305 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:16.319 was like, Yeah, this has to be some sort of 306 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.440 LSD trip or something. You're hearing things in your head, 307 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:27.799 you know, we peeked out. Trees were still shaking, we 308 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:32.880 were still hearing things walking around, snapping branches. I had 309 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:35.720 noticed that there was this there was this kind of 310 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:40.200 dead tree down at the bottom of these sand pits, 311 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:43.960 and I noticed that it looked like there was something 312 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:46.799 in it, and I pointed it out to my buddy 313 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.440 and we're just staring at this thing. It's just like 314 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:55.240 this black silhouette. It looks like two arms holding a 315 00:21:55.279 --> 00:22:00.799 branch above it, hanging up and kind of squatted down 316 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:06.279 on this really thick branch, low, like a low branch 317 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:08.480 that was probably about five feet up off the ground, 318 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:13.240 and it just looked like someone was holding a branch 319 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.680 above its head and squatting down, Like what is that? 320 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:22.359 It was all black silhouette, and I'm like, maybe it's 321 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.000 just a tree. And my buddy's like, it looks like 322 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.680 someone like hanging in that tree, and I'm like, yeah, 323 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:33.680 it totally does. But dropped down onto the sands and 324 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:39.200 got on all fours like looked like a like a spider. 325 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:44.759 That's when I'm like, all right, that's something. I don't 326 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:49.200 know what that is, you know, trying to make any 327 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:53.240 sense of this was just like impossible at the time. Yeah, 328 00:22:53.319 --> 00:23:01.039 I would say, so shaping with fear. And we duck 329 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:05.400 down back in that pit and we I mean, I'm 330 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:10.240 telling you, my buddy was grabbing out of my arm 331 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:13.519 so hard I had bruised it all over my arm. 332 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.079 I mean, we were, we were, we were freaking scared, 333 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:25.519 so in this pit and this thing is we it 334 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:30.240 it starts that was what was screaming, because we heard 335 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.480 the scream again from that area, and then we started 336 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.720 hearing a laugh that almost sounded like a kind of 337 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:41.359 like a spotted hyena. Yeah, but like more ape. Like 338 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:45.440 I didn't even think ape at the time. I just 339 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.119 was like, Okay, this is the worst trip ever. I 340 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:50.519 don't know what that is. It didn't sound human. It 341 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:55.000 sounded almost like it's so weird how it sounded almost 342 00:23:55.039 --> 00:24:02.039 like one of those like voice changing boxes, know that 343 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:05.960 people use on interviews, like you know, former CIA agents 344 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:09.720 or something. Would you know whistleblowers use those like weird 345 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:13.400 kind of voice changers. Sounded like it was almost coming 346 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:21.599 from one of those very inhuman, very nothing nothing we've heard, 347 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:27.119 nothing we've ever known to exist, you know. So that's 348 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:30.079 what we heard laughing around us, and the thing was 349 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:34.000 running on all floors at really high speeds all around 350 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:38.720 the sand pit. I'm sure the thing was watching us 351 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.759 peeking out of that pit, and it would run by 352 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:46.920 and kick loads of sand on us. We were just 353 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:51.319 getting covered and we had sand in our eyes. It 354 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.880 was every time it went by, you could hear the 355 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:59.279 thuds of its hands and feet on the ground, just 356 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:01.359 getting close and closer, and then all of a sudden, 357 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.839 it would just be like, you know, I can't even 358 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:08.279 tell you how much sand just kicking all over us. 359 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:11.319 And it was, it was. It was pretty It was 360 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:18.880 pretty creepy. We stayed in that pit literally until the 361 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:23.759 sun came up. Hadn't all this happened? It was ours 362 00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.640 we were. We were stuck in there. We couldn't move. 363 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:31.960 We both, uh, it's embarrassing to say, but at the time, 364 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:35.839 we both we both pissed our pants in that pit. 365 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.319 We were we were sitting in that pit, covered in sand, terrified, 366 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:46.200 covered in pea like it. We were shaking. It just 367 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:52.319 felt like so so out of this world. When that 368 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:56.799 sun came up, we uh, we saw the sun started 369 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.880 like coming over the horizon, it started getting a little lighter. 370 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.079 I picked out I didn't see anything. We can still 371 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.880 hear things moving through the tree line. I didn't see 372 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:10.799 that thing running around anymore. I was like, dude, let's 373 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.640 run for it. And we just I mean, we ran 374 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:17.680 so fast. We just kept going. When we were running, 375 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.319 we ran to the road and if you cross the road, 376 00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:23.519 there's another set of trees on the other side, and 377 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:28.839 that eventually leads to some railroad tracks. Like, maybe we 378 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:33.160 should just hit the railroad tracks and just start heading south. 379 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.839 And my buddy's like, all right, so we start. We 380 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.000 go running across the street into the next tree line. 381 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.960 There was so bizarre. As we're running, we get to 382 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:49.640 the tree line, we'll running through the trees, and I 383 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:55.480 hear this car coming and the car skids to a 384 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.039 stop and literally crashes off the road into the trees. 385 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.119 I don't know what that was. I don't know what 386 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:05.920 we I was like, dude, let's just keep going. You know, 387 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.039 I'm not turning around. I'm not going back to see 388 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:12.559 what that was. That car saw something. I don't know 389 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:16.880 what that car saw, but whatever that thing is, it's 390 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:20.279 still out here, and let's just go. We ran to 391 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:24.200 those railroad tracks and we when we hit those tracks, 392 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:29.359 we did about must have been about eighteen miles on 393 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.400 those tracks that day. We went across the railroad bridge, 394 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:38.960 we got into the town where we're from. It was 395 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:43.519 it was crazy. We're on the railroad tracks, we're going 396 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:49.039 and there's this road crossing coming up and we're kind 397 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.799 of just trying to stay hidden because you know, we're 398 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:56.119 both it's still on the missing person's list were you know, 399 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.480 if any cops saw us, they probably would have stopped us. 400 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:03.559 We looked crazy. I mean, I didn't mention we were 401 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:08.240