Speaker 1: It was very late in the night, not quite morning yet.
Speaker 1: We were heading back to our camp. Both of us
Speaker 1: started feeling really uneasy. I felt like we weren't alone.
Speaker 1: We were heading toward that tree line where our tent was.
Speaker 1: That's when we both heard a very, very very loud scream.
Speaker 1: I felt it in my stomach, my bones. It was
Speaker 1: incredibly loud. It was high pitched, but at the same
Speaker 1: time you could also hear almost like a war. We
Speaker 1: started running full speed toward that tree line to get
Speaker 1: to our camp, and we're hearing what sounds like trees
Speaker 1: kind of falling. We're just terrified. We're just trying to
Speaker 1: get to our campsite. Our campsite is completely destroyed. There's
Speaker 1: trees on top of it, the fences down, the tent
Speaker 1: is crushed, there's trees fallen all over it. And we
Speaker 1: had no idea what could have done that.
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot cross Roads. My name's Matt and I'd
Speaker 2: like to welcome Phil to the show. Phil email me
Speaker 2: with a very interesting story and I can't wait to
Speaker 2: get into it. Phil, how are you.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Your story starts off pretty interesting, just kind of start
Speaker 2: us off at the beginning and walk us through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. It starts off a long time ago,
Speaker 1: back before I knew anything about Bigfoot. I I think
Speaker 1: the only thing I had ever heard at that time
Speaker 1: about it was you know, Harry and the Henderson's, which
Speaker 1: you know, was just a funny little movie.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, you know, I was as a kid, I uh,
Speaker 1: I kind of grew up in a in a crappy
Speaker 1: situation and decided when I was a teenager that I
Speaker 1: was going to run away and escaped kind of an
Speaker 1: abusive household. I went to New York City. At first,
Speaker 1: too many people though, there was. It was a lot
Speaker 1: going on. There was, you know, I was on the
Speaker 1: missing Person's list. It was. It was a little a
Speaker 1: little scary out there. After about a year or that,
Speaker 1: I decided that I would go into the remote wilderness
Speaker 1: and the pine barrens of New Jersey with a buddy
Speaker 1: of mine. So that's what we did. I had I
Speaker 1: had some outdoor skills. I was obsessed with kind of
Speaker 1: survival and bushcraft as a child. I was always trying
Speaker 1: to build stuff and I had this cool book. I
Speaker 1: think it was like the The Sas Survival Guide. I
Speaker 1: think the Altar was like John Wiseman, I think he
Speaker 1: was like this. He was the first, the youngest soldier
Speaker 1: to join the sas pretty cool guy. So I had
Speaker 1: that book and I read it over a few times
Speaker 1: as a child, and you know, when you're a teenager,
Speaker 1: after reading something like that, you think you're invincible out there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, me and my me and my buddy got
Speaker 1: together with another friend who lived really close to this
Speaker 1: really remote area in the pine barrens, and he kinda
Speaker 1: he kind of hooked us up and took us to
Speaker 1: the store to get some essentials. And yeah, we we
Speaker 1: headed out and picked up you know, some knives, some
Speaker 1: a tent, some other survival stuff and decided to go out.
Speaker 1: We I think it was probably about three or four
Speaker 1: miles deep into the into the pine barrens off the
Speaker 1: off this like kind of like little side road, and
Speaker 1: he lived probably another mile from there, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: we were pretty remote, but we were also we could
Speaker 1: walk to his house if we if we left early enough,
Speaker 1: and we would do that every so often and you know,
Speaker 1: get some food, get a shower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you said you were a teenager, how old?
Speaker 1: I was probably fourteen fifteen at the time. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: pretty young. Yeah, yeah, very young, immature.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, but you don't think that at
Speaker 2: the time. At the time, you know everything, and like
Speaker 2: you said, you're invincible.
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, and you know, wasn't wasn't afraid of anything,
Speaker 1: you know, after a year living on the streets in
Speaker 1: New York City kind of yeah, you kind of don't
Speaker 1: fear much, I imagine. But yeah, we uh, we found
Speaker 1: we hiked into the woods. We we found this really
Speaker 1: cool area that was I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: about the Pine Barrens, but it's kind of sandy. In
Speaker 1: some parts of the Pine barrens, they have a lot
Speaker 1: of sands, and there was this one part that was
Speaker 1: like very sandy, had like this crazy white sand and
Speaker 1: these uh, I guess these BMX dudes like kind of
Speaker 1: dug out some ramps and stuff and ditches and dudes
Speaker 1: will take their dirt bikes out there sometimes. It was
Speaker 1: pretty cool. It was kind of like a little open
Speaker 1: area in the middle of the woods kind of you
Speaker 1: could see everything. You could see for for a long distance,
Speaker 1: and where we were we had a little height to
Speaker 1: it so you could kind of see down and really cool.
Speaker 1: So we we saw that and we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe we should, you know, get somewhere close to here.
Speaker 1: So then we found this little tree line. We walked
Speaker 1: into it a bit, and it went down a bit
Speaker 1: and kind of flattened out, and we found this really
Speaker 1: cool little camp area that was really hidden, very thick
Speaker 1: all around it. You know, we were trying to avoid detection,
Speaker 1: which was our number one goal at that time. We
Speaker 1: did not want to end up in you know, protective
Speaker 1: services or anything like that. We had a healthy fear
Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, so we we found this little area,
Speaker 1: we set up the tent, got a little kind of
Speaker 1: fire pit from that book I learned to you know,
Speaker 1: it teaches you how to avoid detection. So we we
Speaker 1: did kind of like the full I guess you would
Speaker 1: call it Dakota fire pit, where it feeds air from
Speaker 1: one side into into a hole and the fire kind
Speaker 1: of stays a little below below the ground so that
Speaker 1: you're not you know, you don't have like a giant
Speaker 1: bonfire in the middle of the woods. So we had
Speaker 1: one of those just you know, after everything was set up,
Speaker 1: we would just walk around and forage and just try
Speaker 1: to learn our surroundings a bit more. But ever since
Speaker 1: the first night. You know, there was weird. There was
Speaker 1: weird sounds that we weren't used to, and definite pretty creepy.
Speaker 1: We would hear, you know, twigs breaking and things walking
Speaker 1: around our camp at night, and we did not know
Speaker 1: what it was. We just kind of figured it with animals.
Speaker 1: So I decided that we should build a little perimeter fence.
Speaker 1: We did that. We took a bunch of saplings, cut
Speaker 1: them down, tied them together with some power cord and
Speaker 1: duct tape and whatever we could, stuck them into the ground,
Speaker 1: and built this pretty intricate perimeter fence around our whole camp,
Speaker 1: which also helped us remain a little more undetected. It
Speaker 1: was pretty camouflaged in there. We could barely see it
Speaker 1: if you were just walking around back there, so that
Speaker 1: made us feel a little more safe. But we would
Speaker 1: every night we'd hear walking all around our camps and
Speaker 1: it to me sounded like bipedal walking. So we thought
Speaker 1: maybe there could be some kind of you know, recluse
Speaker 1: type dude out there, maybe also living out there with us.
Speaker 2: Did you see wildlife out there? Did you see deer
Speaker 2: and stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, there was loads of deer, Yeah, loads and
Speaker 1: loads of deer, so many, I mean an insane amount
Speaker 1: of deer all the time. There was all kinds of
Speaker 1: different birds all the time, raccoons all the time, possums,
Speaker 1: you know, just like the small kind of critters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't run into anything crazy, but yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: mostly deer, but these did not sound like deer. When
Speaker 1: the deer would come through, you could tell, you could
Speaker 1: hear that they were there was four legs coming down,
Speaker 1: and the way they moved this was a little different.
Speaker 1: It got to the point where we were literally thinking
Speaker 1: like is this place haunted or something? Yeah, it's movies,
Speaker 1: it was. It was very close to our our perimeter wall.
Speaker 1: We would hear these such steps just walking in circles
Speaker 1: all around all night, and then we started hearing like
Speaker 1: little noises here and there just kind of progressed as
Speaker 1: we were there. We would hear whistles that did not
Speaker 1: sound like birds because you could tell like there was
Speaker 1: like all these different kind of birds out there. It
Speaker 1: was have you ever heard of a whipparial? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be like the night sounds would be lots
Speaker 1: of those things. I'm not even gonna try to mimic
Speaker 1: that that sounds, but Yeah, it's a bird called a whipparill,
Speaker 1: and their sound actually sounds like whipparil. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: to do you would hear that all night long, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudd it would when those footsteps came,
Speaker 1: it would just get all the birds would would stop,
Speaker 1: all the little critters would stop. It would get super quiet.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's when we would start hearing those footsteps.
Speaker 1: Then the whistles started. We would hear like a whistle,
Speaker 1: then another whistle, you know, maybe fifty yards away.
Speaker 2: How would you describe the whistle?
Speaker 1: Very loud, kind of like you know, you know, like
Speaker 1: when you're a kid at like a baseball game or
Speaker 1: something and and you see like you see one of
Speaker 1: those dudes like stick his two fingers in his mouth
Speaker 1: and just go hard and just belt out a whistle,
Speaker 1: you know, one of those kind of Yeah, just a
Speaker 1: very loud, long whistle.
Speaker 2: Was it like single tone?
Speaker 1: There would usually be one to three. I'd notice it
Speaker 1: was always either one or three, okay, but very long
Speaker 1: and drawn out. Yeah. We did not know what to
Speaker 1: think about that. Literally, we we we thought it was
Speaker 1: haunted or something. You know, we were young. We had
Speaker 1: we had never we had never lived in the woods
Speaker 1: like that, So yeah, it was terrifying, but we kind
Speaker 1: of just you know, paid no attention really after a
Speaker 1: while that we just kind of got used to it.
Speaker 2: Is this something? Was it happening every single night pretty much?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least something, you know, if it wasn't the whistles,
Speaker 1: it was just the footsteps or you know, and just
Speaker 1: started progressing, like we started getting things thrown at the
Speaker 1: into the campsite, pine cones, little little stones and acorns
Speaker 1: and stuff like over the fence, yes, yep, right onto
Speaker 1: the tent. Wow. Yeah. And you know, we'd look around
Speaker 1: outside there was no pine cones hanging over our tent.
Speaker 1: The trees around their tent and not have cones on them,
Speaker 1: so that was pretty strange. Again, never bigfoot never came
Speaker 1: into our our thoughts. We were just kind of weirded up,
Speaker 1: like where are these coming from? It was a strange.
Speaker 1: There was one day we were out there and we
Speaker 1: were kind of just walking around foraging and stuff. We
Speaker 1: were just I had I had this book of plants
Speaker 1: and stuff I was trying to I was trying to
Speaker 1: identify some plants, and there was this kid on a
Speaker 1: on a dirt bike that was driving. I guess he
Speaker 1: had come from that sand pit area and he saw
Speaker 1: us and we saw him. We all we made eye
Speaker 1: contact and I'm like, oh, great, were spotted. But the kid, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he came over to us and asked us
Speaker 1: what we were doing, and we kind of told him.
Speaker 1: He was a little younger than us. He seemed pretty
Speaker 1: cool though he was. He's like, yeah, I won't tell
Speaker 1: on you guys. And then he told us, don't you
Speaker 1: know the mafia used to dumb bodies back here? And
Speaker 1: we're like, hmm, well, okay, that's weird. And then we
Speaker 1: start thinking, okay, the mafia used to dumb bodies back here?
Speaker 1: Is this what we're hearing at night? That we're hearing
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of paranormal stuff? So yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we had that in our heads. That added a level
Speaker 1: of you know terror to the when the when the
Speaker 1: night came. Yeah, you know, it kept going on and
Speaker 1: on and on, and it was one night we uh,
Speaker 1: we went out with our buddy. We hung out with
Speaker 1: him for a little bit and it was it was
Speaker 1: really late. It was probably like it had to have
Speaker 1: been like eleven thirty twelve. Maybe I don't know I have.
Speaker 1: It was so long ago, I can't tell you what
Speaker 1: time was. It was very late in the night, not
Speaker 1: quite morning yet. He dropped us off at the tree
Speaker 1: line and we were heading back to our camp, and
Speaker 1: both of us started feeling really uneasy, very nauseous, and
Speaker 1: kind of just not right, like kind of like felt
Speaker 1: like we weren't alone. And we had been talking about it.
Speaker 1: We were like, this doesn't feel right. We were just like, whatever,
Speaker 1: let's just get to our camp, so we'll walk in.
Speaker 1: We get to that sand pit area there was the
Speaker 1: moon is out, the sand is almost kind of illuminating
Speaker 1: off the the moon is kind of illuminating the sand,
Speaker 1: so you could see pretty well. And we were heading
Speaker 1: toward that tree line where our tent was, and that's
Speaker 1: when we both heard a very very very loud scream
Speaker 1: like a woman being murdered, kind of like how everyone
Speaker 1: describes it, you know, yeah, rattles right through your body.
Speaker 1: I felt it in my stomach, my bones. It was.
Speaker 1: It was incredibly loud and high pitched, but there seemed
Speaker 1: to be like another tone with it was high pitched,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you could also hear almost
Speaker 1: like a war at the at the exact same time.
Speaker 1: That was just deep and guttural. So we both heard
Speaker 1: that and stopped in our tracks. I feel like the
Speaker 1: only thing I can compare the feeling too was when
Speaker 1: I was at a Motorhead show and I was standing
Speaker 1: ten feet from Lemme's bassamp and he came out and
Speaker 1: started playing that song Overkill, and that bass from from
Speaker 1: that is like what I felt in that screen. That
Speaker 1: just completely just feel it through you from your head
Speaker 1: to your toes, inside and out. You know, we had
Speaker 1: no idea what that was. We started running full speed
Speaker 1: toward that tree line to get to our to our camp.
Speaker 1: So we get to the tree line and we're going
Speaker 1: through the really really sick brush to get to our
Speaker 1: camp and we're hearing what sounds like trees kind of falling.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I stopped. I'm like, doesn't it some like
Speaker 1: trees falling? I mean, well, the scream happened a couple
Speaker 1: more times before we got to our camp. So at
Speaker 1: this point we are like, we don't know what we're
Speaker 1: dealing with. We're just terrified. We're just trying to get
Speaker 1: to our campsite. We had all kinds of knives and
Speaker 1: stuff there. We were trying to get to them. And
Speaker 1: then I get a look at where our campsite is,
Speaker 1: and I stopped my buddy and I'm like, look, and
Speaker 1: our campsite is completely destroyed. There's trees on top of it,
Speaker 1: the the fence is down, the tent is crushed, there's
Speaker 1: trees falling all over it. We couldn't even we couldn't
Speaker 1: even get to it, and we had no idea what
Speaker 1: could have done that. So we just turned around and
Speaker 1: we just started booking it. Those screams got a lot louder,
Speaker 1: a lot closer. We started seeing like from the tree
Speaker 1: lined these trees shaking back and forth, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is shaking those trees? We jumped in this this
Speaker 1: kind of dugout hole that was kind of like a
Speaker 1: bowl that they would use for dirt biking, and we
Speaker 1: were just literally huddled in there trying to hide from
Speaker 1: whatever this this was. And we were just duck down
Speaker 1: in the sandpit, literally getting screened at. Every time we'd
Speaker 1: peek out, we'd see like there was at one point
Speaker 1: there was a tree that was out. We saw these
Speaker 1: this almost like a root ball getting smashed between these
Speaker 1: two trees and just dirt flying everywhere. It was just
Speaker 1: loud dumping. It was horrifying. We had no idea what
Speaker 1: could have been doing that. At that point, I asked
Speaker 1: my buddy if he thinks like someone slipped acid into
Speaker 1: our drink or something, because it was just it was
Speaker 1: so out of this world. It was just so it
Speaker 1: was you know, you can't describe it, especially when you
Speaker 1: have no concept of what you know these creatures are due.
Speaker 1: So we had no idea, Like, I had no other
Speaker 1: explanation than like, this is either paranormal or both of
Speaker 1: us are having the same exact acid trip because we
Speaker 1: got slipped acid. Like that's the only thing I could
Speaker 1: have could think of at the time. But we were
Speaker 1: only with a good friend of ours, So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's damn near impossible that that was it. But you know,
Speaker 1: we were just trying to come up with something that
Speaker 1: it could be. Yeah, so he's my buddy. My buddy
Speaker 1: starts hearing stuff in in his own head. I didn't
Speaker 1: have this. He started really freaking out that something was
Speaker 1: talking to him in his head, and that's when I
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, this has to be some sort of
Speaker 1: LSD trip or something. You're hearing things in your head,
Speaker 1: you know, we peeked out. Trees were still shaking, we
Speaker 1: were still hearing things walking around, snapping branches. I had
Speaker 1: noticed that there was this there was this kind of
Speaker 1: dead tree down at the bottom of these sand pits,
Speaker 1: and I noticed that it looked like there was something
Speaker 1: in it, and I pointed it out to my buddy
Speaker 1: and we're just staring at this thing. It's just like
Speaker 1: this black silhouette. It looks like two arms holding a
Speaker 1: branch above it, hanging up and kind of squatted down
Speaker 1: on this really thick branch, low, like a low branch
Speaker 1: that was probably about five feet up off the ground,
Speaker 1: and it just looked like someone was holding a branch
Speaker 1: above its head and squatting down, Like what is that?
Speaker 1: It was all black silhouette, and I'm like, maybe it's
Speaker 1: just a tree. And my buddy's like, it looks like
Speaker 1: someone like hanging in that tree, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it totally does. But dropped down onto the sands and
Speaker 1: got on all fours like looked like a like a spider.
Speaker 1: That's when I'm like, all right, that's something. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that is, you know, trying to make any
Speaker 1: sense of this was just like impossible at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, so shaping with fear. And we duck
Speaker 1: down back in that pit and we I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, my buddy was grabbing out of my arm
Speaker 1: so hard I had bruised it all over my arm.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were, we were, we were freaking scared,
Speaker 1: so in this pit and this thing is we it
Speaker 1: it starts that was what was screaming, because we heard
Speaker 1: the scream again from that area, and then we started
Speaker 1: hearing a laugh that almost sounded like a kind of
Speaker 1: like a spotted hyena. Yeah, but like more ape. Like
Speaker 1: I didn't even think ape at the time. I just
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is the worst trip ever. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. It didn't sound human. It
Speaker 1: sounded almost like it's so weird how it sounded almost
Speaker 1: like one of those like voice changing boxes, know that
Speaker 1: people use on interviews, like you know, former CIA agents
Speaker 1: or something. Would you know whistleblowers use those like weird
Speaker 1: kind of voice changers. Sounded like it was almost coming
Speaker 1: from one of those very inhuman, very nothing nothing we've heard,
Speaker 1: nothing we've ever known to exist, you know. So that's
Speaker 1: what we heard laughing around us, and the thing was
Speaker 1: running on all floors at really high speeds all around
Speaker 1: the sand pit. I'm sure the thing was watching us
Speaker 1: peeking out of that pit, and it would run by
Speaker 1: and kick loads of sand on us. We were just
Speaker 1: getting covered and we had sand in our eyes. It
Speaker 1: was every time it went by, you could hear the
Speaker 1: thuds of its hands and feet on the ground, just
Speaker 1: getting close and closer, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it would just be like, you know, I can't even
Speaker 1: tell you how much sand just kicking all over us.
Speaker 1: And it was, it was. It was pretty It was
Speaker 1: pretty creepy. We stayed in that pit literally until the
Speaker 1: sun came up. Hadn't all this happened? It was ours
Speaker 1: we were. We were stuck in there. We couldn't move.
Speaker 1: We both, uh, it's embarrassing to say, but at the time,
Speaker 1: we both we both pissed our pants in that pit.
Speaker 1: We were we were sitting in that pit, covered in sand, terrified,
Speaker 1: covered in pea like it. We were shaking. It just
Speaker 1: felt like so so out of this world. When that
Speaker 1: sun came up, we uh, we saw the sun started
Speaker 1: like coming over the horizon, it started getting a little lighter.
Speaker 1: I picked out I didn't see anything. We can still
Speaker 1: hear things moving through the tree line. I didn't see
Speaker 1: that thing running around anymore. I was like, dude, let's
Speaker 1: run for it. And we just I mean, we ran
Speaker 1: so fast. We just kept going. When we were running,
Speaker 1: we ran to the road and if you cross the road,
Speaker 1: there's another set of trees on the other side, and
Speaker 1: that eventually leads to some railroad tracks. Like, maybe we
Speaker 1: should just hit the railroad tracks and just start heading south.
Speaker 1: And my buddy's like, all right, so we start. We
Speaker 1: go running across the street into the next tree line.
Speaker 1: There was so bizarre. As we're running, we get to
Speaker 1: the tree line, we'll running through the trees, and I
Speaker 1: hear this car coming and the car skids to a
Speaker 1: stop and literally crashes off the road into the trees.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. I don't know what
Speaker 1: we I was like, dude, let's just keep going. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not turning around. I'm not going back to see
Speaker 1: what that was. That car saw something. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that car saw, but whatever that thing is, it's
Speaker 1: still out here, and let's just go. We ran to
Speaker 1: those railroad tracks and we when we hit those tracks,
Speaker 1: we did about must have been about eighteen miles on
Speaker 1: those tracks that day. We went across the railroad bridge,
Speaker 1: we got into the town where we're from. It was
Speaker 1: it was crazy. We're on the railroad tracks, we're going
Speaker 1: and there's this road crossing coming up and we're kind
Speaker 1: of just trying to stay hidden because you know, we're
Speaker 1: both it's still on the missing person's list were you know,
Speaker 1: if any cops saw us, they probably would have stopped us.
Speaker 1: We looked crazy. I mean, I didn't mention we were
Speaker 1: Also we're street punks too, so we've got mohawks, we've
Speaker 1: got leather jackets with spikes. You know, we kind of
Speaker 1: stick out like sore thumbs. Plus we both peed ourselves
Speaker 1: and we were sitting covered in sand all night. We
Speaker 1: looked like a horrible mess. We're crossing the street and
Speaker 1: just so happens, an old friend was driving to go
Speaker 1: visit her mom and she sees us. She hadn't seen
Speaker 1: us in almost two years. At this point. There was
Speaker 1: rumors going around that we were dead. There was rumors
Speaker 1: that we ran away to California, so many different rumors.
Speaker 1: So she sees us and she's like, what the hell
Speaker 1: happened to you? Guys, she said, we look like like
Speaker 1: we saw ghosts. We were completely just white, just horrified,
Speaker 1: bug eyed, like we had been up all night, just terrified,
Speaker 1: snoke awful. You know. She gets us in her car,
Speaker 1: she's like, you guys, you guys can you guys can
Speaker 1: live with me? We're like what She literally took us in.
Speaker 1: After that day, we never went back to that campsite.
Speaker 1: I don't think I after that day went back into
Speaker 1: the woods, especially at night, and I had no idea.
Speaker 1: We still had no idea what happened. We still at
Speaker 1: the time were like, Okay, when we talked about it,
Speaker 1: it was like that must have been it must have
Speaker 1: been LSD or something or some sort of hallucinogenic and
Speaker 1: then we just couldn't figure out where that could have
Speaker 1: came from. But we had no other I had no
Speaker 1: knowledge of any of this. So I had for years.
Speaker 1: I mean, I went so long thinking that this could
Speaker 1: have just been some weird slip until about I think
Speaker 1: it was about twenty eleven, That is that when finding
Speaker 1: Bigfoot came out about twenty eleven, twenty ten, something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah right there. Yeah, So it's funny I went from
Speaker 1: you know, not knowing anything. Then I see this commercial
Speaker 1: on TV. I'm sitting here with my wife, she was
Speaker 1: my girlfriend at the time. We had moved to California.
Speaker 1: We're sitting there watching TV one night. I'm in my twenties,
Speaker 1: and this commercial comes on for Finding Bigfoot, and you know,
Speaker 1: I see this thing come on and I think it
Speaker 1: was Matt Moneymaker. That's like, I think there's a squadch
Speaker 1: in these woods. And me and my wife started hysterically
Speaker 1: laughing making I'm making fun of it. You know, at
Speaker 1: the time, I thought it was hilarious. I'm like, do
Speaker 1: these people? Are these people for real? You know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this like a real thing? And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I would make fun of it, and you know, do
Speaker 1: that impression sometimes, like just joking around, you know. And
Speaker 1: I just kept seeing these commercials for the show, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just to watch it. This just looks
Speaker 1: too good, This looks kind of funny. I gotta watch this.
Speaker 1: And then I'm watching that show and things are just
Speaker 1: starting to click about my experience, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is weird. And then I start doing
Speaker 1: my own research and I'm looking up stuff on YouTube,
Speaker 1: and then I start watching more videos and people are
Speaker 1: talking about these things walking around their campsite at night
Speaker 1: and circle and throwing pine cones. And that's when I'm like,
Speaker 1: I started shaking, Like I'm shaking right now just recounting this.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my gosh, I wonder if that's
Speaker 1: what I was dealing with out there. And you know,
Speaker 1: I started listening to the earlier podcasts that were coming
Speaker 1: out and hearing encounters and watching everything and just trying
Speaker 1: to soak up as much knowledge as possible. I started
Speaker 1: buying books and you know, doing all kinds of research
Speaker 1: and kind of pinpointed it to that. So I did
Speaker 1: like kind of like a full circle there. I went
Speaker 1: from not knowing to making fun of the pretty much
Speaker 1: firmly delue. What happened to us that day was these
Speaker 1: creatures that we kind of imposed on. We came into
Speaker 1: their area where they lived. You know, we were making noise,
Speaker 1: we had you know, we were blasting punk rock from
Speaker 1: from you know, battery operated boom boxes and you know,
Speaker 1: knocking trees down, building stuff. You know, we were just
Speaker 1: in their area.
Speaker 2: How long were you there at that time? Like in
Speaker 2: that camp, there was.
Speaker 1: A total of almost two years. I would say year
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only did you go into their territory, but
Speaker 2: then you didn't leave. You just stayed there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we set up shop. We stayed, and that's why
Speaker 1: it progressively kind of got worse and worse. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I slowly kind of made this realization that that
Speaker 1: this is what I was dealing with, and that's what
Speaker 1: that creature was, and then it would really feel the
Speaker 1: deal was when I heard some it was it was
Speaker 1: probably like a Fasquatch Chronicles episode where a hunter said
Speaker 1: that he saw this thing get on all fours and
Speaker 1: look like a spider. And when he said that, I like,
Speaker 1: I almost almost like fell over. That's exactly what it
Speaker 1: looked like, looked like a spider. The way it it's
Speaker 1: its anatomy is it's it's not like if me and
Speaker 1: you got on our hands and knees or on the ground.
Speaker 1: It's a little different. It was just an inhuman way
Speaker 1: of moving. It was very like fast rapid, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm talking like something that can do like a three
Speaker 1: sixty on all fours and just stay really low to
Speaker 1: the ground within like a second and just completely run
Speaker 1: the opposite way and just disappear. I mean, this thing
Speaker 1: had very, very very inhuman kind of movements. That was
Speaker 1: That was my first encounter. That kind of gave me
Speaker 1: the realization that these things are real and these things
Speaker 1: are out there. At the same time, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: as mad as we made these these things that were
Speaker 1: living out there, they never physically harmed us. They terrified us.
Speaker 1: They never came into that you know, they never heard us,
Speaker 1: they never grabbed us. They could have knocked a tree
Speaker 1: over onto us if they wanted to while we were
Speaker 1: sleeping in that tent. They never did that. And that
Speaker 1: kind of got me, kind of got me over my
Speaker 1: fear of being alone in the woods again. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: from that time up until you know, twenty twelve ish,
Speaker 1: I did not enjoy being in the woods at all.
Speaker 1: I did not like it. I had PTSD from it.
Speaker 1: It was it was just, you know, it was something
Speaker 1: I did not do. I did not like it. I
Speaker 1: had a friend who lived out in the woods, you
Speaker 1: know a few years later, and I stayed at his
Speaker 1: house a couple of times back in the day, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't even go out to smoke a
Speaker 1: cigarette at nighttime out there. I had a healthy fear
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, did you.
Speaker 2: Ever talk to that friend that experienced it with you?
Speaker 1: I did. He's these days, he's uh, he's really I
Speaker 1: don't know, he's not really uh in the healthiest state
Speaker 1: of mind. I would say, yeah, I think he's still got,
Speaker 1: you know, issues with either addiction or alcoholism. And I did.
Speaker 1: I did contact him about it. I'd never brought up
Speaker 1: bigfoot because I didn't, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you even bring that up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, after after almost twenty years in not talking, I'm like, hey.
Speaker 2: Remember that most terrifying night of our lives. I think
Speaker 2: I've got it figured out. It's bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so I did bring it up. I did kinda.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, remember that, you know, just like you said,
Speaker 1: remember that terrifying night we had in the woods. And
Speaker 1: he's like, and it sounds like I brought some stuff
Speaker 1: up he did not want to talk about. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I do. He's like, that was horrible. I'm like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we always thought, you know, we were tripping, right,
Speaker 1: and like we must have gotten slipped something, right, isn't
Speaker 1: that like kind of like the the story we came
Speaker 1: up with about that. And he's like, yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: the only person we saw that day was our other friend,
Speaker 1: and he was kind of like a goody goodie boy,
Speaker 1: like he wasn't the one to you know, any kind
Speaker 1: of connections for any acid or anything. I'm like, you realize, like,
Speaker 1: he's the only person so we saw, and we both
Speaker 1: had the exact same experience, heard the same things, saw
Speaker 1: the same thing, you know, a little strange. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I never thought of that. Like he's like, yeah, damn
Speaker 1: near impossible that we would ever be slipped anything like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I kind of left it at that for him
Speaker 1: to ponder on. He's like, that's freaking weird man. Ever
Speaker 1: since I brought that up to him, though, he will
Speaker 1: not talk about it. I've tried to text him about it.
Speaker 1: I've tried to kind of slowly, you know, feel him
Speaker 1: out for it. Yeah, but yeah, he does not want to.
Speaker 1: He does not want to talk about it. He kind
Speaker 1: of yeah. I think I think that kind of affected
Speaker 1: him a little too much too.
Speaker 2: But that's what we do as humans. I Mean, if
Speaker 2: a hunter experiences something out in the woods that they
Speaker 2: don't really have an explanation for, they typically just write
Speaker 2: it off as like, oh well, at my to have
Speaker 2: been a bear or maybe you know, a hermit living
Speaker 2: out there or something like that, and in your situation
Speaker 2: at that age and everything and your life experiences that
Speaker 2: you were going through and had gone through up to
Speaker 2: that point, it kind of makes sense to me that
Speaker 2: the first place you would kind of go is like, man,
Speaker 2: we must be tripping, like somebody must have slipped us something.
Speaker 2: You know, like nothing else is going to be on
Speaker 2: your radar, and you're trying to You're trying to make
Speaker 2: sense of that experience because not having knowledge of what
Speaker 2: was going on is even more terrifying.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah, yep, but yeah, you know that kind of
Speaker 1: that whole thing and just realizing that these things are
Speaker 1: out there just sparked this. Like, I mean, I have
Speaker 1: been doing insae amount of research. I'm also an artist.
Speaker 1: I started drawing some of those experiences in my own
Speaker 1: kind of unique style, and I started like a an
Speaker 1: Instagram page called Sasquatch Reanimated kind of just started posting
Speaker 1: art at first, and it kind of people started really
Speaker 1: liking it, and it kind of blew up a bit.
Speaker 1: And then I you know, I got the idea to
Speaker 1: let people know like if if you have an encounter,
Speaker 1: give me a call, shoot me a d M, and
Speaker 1: I'll illustrate your encounter for you for free. I thought
Speaker 1: that was pretty fun. So I've been doing that for
Speaker 1: the past few years. And then I started having some
Speaker 1: experiences of my own. I started going out in the
Speaker 1: woods a lot more. I started, you know, I had
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a fear of the woods like
Speaker 1: I used to once I once I came to the
Speaker 1: realization that these things did not hurt us. These things
Speaker 1: we made, we pissed them off so much, and they
Speaker 1: didn't They did not ever touch us or throw anything.
Speaker 1: We never got hit by a rock. I mean, they
Speaker 1: could have done so much damage to us. So I
Speaker 1: kind of like got over that that fear and started
Speaker 1: going out into the woods again and foraging again. And
Speaker 1: I'm big into mycology. So, you know, we we have
Speaker 1: a friend that lives up in the Redwoods. We drive
Speaker 1: up there twice a year now. She lives in the
Speaker 1: middle of the Redwoods. Her she's a cabin that's that
Speaker 1: was built in the late eighteen hundreds. It's got like
Speaker 1: a really cool wood burning stove. It's very old, very cool.
Speaker 1: It's got a wrap around porch. The beams of the
Speaker 1: porch literally go down into this really cool rapids like
Speaker 1: a it's pretty fast even creek. I mean, she is
Speaker 1: out there, so we go visit her, and then all
Speaker 1: these other experiences start happening. Now I'm fully aware. I also,
Speaker 1: I want to say, I got an in my instructor's
Speaker 1: certificate in military krav Maga during the durt around that
Speaker 1: time we started going out there. One thing we teaches
Speaker 1: self awareness. I mean we're taught to just keep our
Speaker 1: heads on a swivel at all times. I have this
Speaker 1: new I have a new self awareness about me. I
Speaker 1: have my head. I'm looking at everything. I'm looking up,
Speaker 1: I'm looking down, I'm looking between trees, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: all the dark spots, the shadows. So we're going We're
Speaker 1: up there. We're doing some hikes. The first time we
Speaker 1: went up to the Redwoods, it was the rainy season.
Speaker 1: There was turkey tail mushrooms everywhere. So I'm out there
Speaker 1: just forging away on these turkey tails. My family went
Speaker 1: back to the cabin because we have a we have
Speaker 1: a young son at that time, he was probably three.
Speaker 1: He couldn't make you know, he couldn't do any big
Speaker 1: hikes at that time, so I stayed out there. I
Speaker 1: ended up doing an overnight collecting mushrooms, and then that's
Speaker 1: when I started having another encounter experience. I heard vocalizations
Speaker 1: down by the water, down by the creek at night,
Speaker 1: and most most of the sound was just the creek.
Speaker 1: You could just hear the water. It was very loud.
Speaker 1: But I started hearing these like rumbles and kind of chatter,
Speaker 1: like two things talking to each other down by the water.
Speaker 1: So when the sun came up in the I went
Speaker 1: over to investigate, and that's when I found a very
Speaker 1: large set of tracks i'd say over around nineteen inches
Speaker 1: long five and a half inches wide at.
Speaker 3: The top of the the arch, and it kind of
Speaker 3: one was pressed really really far down into the.
Speaker 1: The side of the creek bed over there. Then the
Speaker 1: others kind of disappeared into this tall grass. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was pressed so far down that it started filling
Speaker 1: up with water from the the wetness of you know,
Speaker 1: the the substrate. You know, you see those survival shows
Speaker 1: were like, you know, you find like some fresh water
Speaker 1: and you dig like a hole next to it, and
Speaker 1: it starts filling up with water. Yeah, just like that
Speaker 1: I mean this thing was probably four and a half
Speaker 1: inches deep, and it was just filled with water, perfect
Speaker 1: perfectly shaped like a human kind of foot, except wider.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's around the time where I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well I think these things are here. So I just
Speaker 1: kept following those those that trackway, and that's where I
Speaker 1: noticed another one that was smaller. It was probably half
Speaker 1: the side of that one, but also a very distinct
Speaker 1: barefoot track in the middle of the redwood and in
Speaker 1: the rainy season. You know, no one's walking around there
Speaker 1: with bare feet during that time. So yeah, I started
Speaker 1: noticing that started photographing those. I started just after after
Speaker 1: I saw those tracks. I started just taking pictures of
Speaker 1: the forest around me, just very candid shots. I would
Speaker 1: have my cell phone just I would be walking with
Speaker 1: like cross arms, with my phone under like under my
Speaker 1: arm and kind of just poke it out a little
Speaker 1: and just take like a shot and then hide it again.
Speaker 1: I was trying to be as you know, candid as possible.
Speaker 1: When I got back to that cabin, I started going
Speaker 1: through my photos, and yeah, I started finding what look
Speaker 1: like to me sasquatch looking at me, hiding, you know,
Speaker 1: from behind trees, and stuff. I started seeing them in
Speaker 1: my photos, and that's when I started posting them on
Speaker 1: my UH on my page and sharing them with people
Speaker 1: and trying to get feedback from from other researchers, and
Speaker 1: I know I sent I sent a bunch to At
Speaker 1: one point, I sent a punch to Ronnie LeBlanc. He
Speaker 1: found a few of them pretty intriguing. Other researchers I've
Speaker 1: shared them with have also also found some of those
Speaker 1: photos pretty cool. We started going there, you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, twice a year, and each time we had,
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of experience, I would go. I
Speaker 1: would go pretty deep out there. I would usually do
Speaker 1: about probably like fourteen fifteen mile hikes during the day
Speaker 1: and just kind of go like about six seven eight
Speaker 1: miles deep and kind of turn around. I like to
Speaker 1: go off trail too, so I don't like to really
Speaker 1: stick to any major trails. But even the area we
Speaker 1: were in, it's not very uh, it's not like a
Speaker 1: it's not like a hotspot. It's not like some some
Speaker 1: you know, like Yosemite or you know, Sequilias where there's
Speaker 1: like a thousand people on the trails. You don't run
Speaker 1: into anyone out there. You might run into like you know,
Speaker 1: like a trail runner or two here and there, but
Speaker 1: that's about it. So it's pretty secluded. And I started
Speaker 1: finding tree structures, big xes everywhere, very large x is.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, you know, thirty foot tall trees six
Speaker 1: inches around, you know, seven inches eight inches around, stuffed
Speaker 1: into the grounds like, you know, very bizarre kind of
Speaker 1: structures that I started finding everywhere and get like anytime
Speaker 1: I was in those areas and I started seeing that,
Speaker 1: I started feeling that feeling that everyone talks about where
Speaker 1: you're kind of being white. And there was certain areas
Speaker 1: that I was like heading in a certain direction and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I just felt the urge like
Speaker 1: I needed to just stop and just not go that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wall, and.
Speaker 1: It was just so random. I just I just my
Speaker 1: body would not let me go any further. I don't
Speaker 1: know why. I can't explain it, but just but freeze.
Speaker 1: I would just be stuck. It's like, yeah, don't keep going,
Speaker 1: just stay right where you are, turn around, like head
Speaker 1: the other way, don't go that way. But I have
Speaker 1: no idea, I cannot explain why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I've talked to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: About over the years and something that was brought up
Speaker 2: early on whenever I was going out researching. We called
Speaker 2: it the wall, and I've experienced it, I've seen it
Speaker 2: happen to other people just and like you're saying it,
Speaker 2: it's so hard to explain because it's not just a
Speaker 2: sense of like, uh, you know, got the chili bumps,
Speaker 2: it's kind of spout. No, it's a dead stop. It's
Speaker 2: an absolute I cannot take another step further.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's exactly what I was feeling like up there,
Speaker 1: and it was strange. So anytime I felt that that feeling,
Speaker 1: I would get my phone out and just start doing
Speaker 1: three sixty pictures all around me, hundreds of them, I
Speaker 1: mean hundreds of pictures. I would just start snapping away
Speaker 1: and then I would, you know, during my free time,
Speaker 1: be just going through them, zooming in, kicking screenshots of
Speaker 1: certain things, zooming in more, looking at every little shadow
Speaker 1: and cracking crevice, and you know, just scanning every single picture.
Speaker 1: And then you know, once in a while, well you
Speaker 1: just see an eyeball, and then you follow that eyeball
Speaker 1: down you see a nose and a cheek and maybe
Speaker 1: like a part of a mouth, hanging out from the
Speaker 1: side of a tree and you see fur or hair.
Speaker 1: You know. When I started, you know, getting more, I
Speaker 1: started seeing this more and more in my pictures, and
Speaker 1: it was it was pretty cool. I mean I was
Speaker 1: just blown away by it. I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe how close these things are. And I had no idea.
Speaker 1: You don't see them when you're there. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like it could be ten feet from you, these giant creatures,
Speaker 1: and you don't. You have zero visuals until you start
Speaker 1: going through your photos and then you're like, okay, wow.
Speaker 1: So I knew they were there, and keep fast forward.
Speaker 1: We kept going. I kept doing, you know, anytime I
Speaker 1: was up there to be out in the woods. Almost
Speaker 1: the whole time. I got my wife and my son.
Speaker 1: We brought the dog. At one point I found this
Speaker 1: really cool area. It was right off the main road.
Speaker 1: There was no trail, there was no parking or anything.
Speaker 1: We kind of just parked on the side of the road.
Speaker 1: I saw just cut out in the trees and when
Speaker 1: you drive by it and you look in, there's just beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just looks beautiful. Ferns and red woods
Speaker 1: and it just looks magical, almost so I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to get in there. I want to go
Speaker 1: check that area out. It was it was probably about
Speaker 1: let's say, five miles from my friend's cabin, so we
Speaker 1: we decided to go there one day. It's a very
Speaker 1: steep incline going up, but we were all feeling up
Speaker 1: for it. It was early, so the whole family we
Speaker 1: went in. We're hanging out at the bottom. My son's,
Speaker 1: you know, very young at the time, three four years old,
Speaker 1: so you know, he's having a blast in the woods.
Speaker 1: The dogs are running around like crazy, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, let's let's get up to the top
Speaker 1: of this ridge and see what's going on up there.
Speaker 1: So we did. We started going up and as we're
Speaker 1: going up, I start hearing very loud thumps on the
Speaker 1: on on on a tree. I believe these trees. The
Speaker 1: bark on these trees is super thick, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of soft. It's kind of it's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: like like a hard bark from like a pine tree
Speaker 1: or something a normal like pine tree. It's got like
Speaker 1: softness to it. If you punch it with your fist,
Speaker 1: it's kind of got some cushion into it. So when
Speaker 1: you sump it. If you take your hand and open
Speaker 1: hand and cup it and just thump it. D of
Speaker 1: has this distinct sound. It's very muffled and just you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I was hearing, but very loud, like just
Speaker 1: a it sounded like a big hand, just something away
Speaker 1: on a on a redwood. When we were the only
Speaker 1: ones out there. I mean, it was in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere and my wife, my wife starts getting startled
Speaker 1: at this point. She's making fun of me for for
Speaker 1: getting into the whole big foot thing. And I will
Speaker 1: also add this, she has no idea about my first encounter.
Speaker 1: I have not told her to this day, and I
Speaker 1: probably won't. She's she's also an LCSW licensed clinical social worker.
Speaker 1: She kind of, you know, she's in that mental health field.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling if I ever told I told
Speaker 1: her about this story, she'd have me you know you oh,
Speaker 1: I would be analyzed. I would be on some some
Speaker 1: heavy medications. So yeah, I kind of kind of just
Speaker 1: keep that one to myself. But yeah, either way, she's
Speaker 1: she makes fun of me all the time for the
Speaker 1: whole you know, watching all this you know, bigfoot stuff
Speaker 1: and drawing Bigfoot all the time. And it's just funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, she doesn't really care. She just kind of
Speaker 1: bust my chops about it. Yeah. But we're going up this,
Speaker 1: uh this, to the top of this ridge and we
Speaker 1: hear that and she says, what is that? And you know,
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not going to say it. I think
Speaker 1: I know what it is, but I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say it. And she she just goes, bigfoot. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: could be. I don't know, it might not be. Might
Speaker 1: be just someone, you know, hitting a tree in the
Speaker 1: middle of the forest. Yeah, could be. We keep going
Speaker 1: and we hear it again in another direction, almost like
Speaker 1: it's being answered, and she goes, this sounds just like
Speaker 1: those videos you showed me where these things are, where
Speaker 1: those bigfoots are tree knocking or whatever. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it sure does, doesn't it. It's very loud. She's like yeah.
Speaker 1: She's like, this is weird. And we get we start
Speaker 1: going up. We get all way up to the top
Speaker 1: and there's a little clearing. There's some big redwood tree
Speaker 1: fall and my son was hungry, so he stopped and
Speaker 1: sat on the redwood. He was climbing around. He had
Speaker 1: a little snack like a cliff bar or something, and
Speaker 1: we were just chilling and the dog was starting to
Speaker 1: act up a little. She started to I mean, she
Speaker 1: was just running around like crazy the whole time, like
Speaker 1: having a blast, And all of a sudden, she's like
Speaker 1: between my legs, just like staring up at me with
Speaker 1: these like big eyes, like like what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: And we're sitting there and right at the next like
Speaker 1: we're on this top clearing I would say, there's more
Speaker 1: trees really thick, probably about I would say fifty just
Speaker 1: fifty to seventy five yards away, like it started getting
Speaker 1: like a lot thicker. And we started hearing something coming
Speaker 1: walking heavily in that in that thick brush, and my
Speaker 1: wife just looks at me, she's like what is that?
Speaker 1: And I kind of got up, and my dog is
Speaker 1: still between my legs, just like staring up at me,
Speaker 1: like she wasn't even going toward it. I mean, usually
Speaker 1: when she hears something in the woods, she's an Aussie
Speaker 1: Shepherd Border Collie mix. She's a hurting dog. She sees
Speaker 1: anything running through the woods, she just goes after it.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to heard it, she just wants to
Speaker 1: go check it out, but she books it. I mean,
Speaker 1: and their fast dogs. These dogs can run almost thirty
Speaker 1: miles an hour. She was just between my legs and
Speaker 1: just staring up at me, looking really scared. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, let's just head back down. Let's just
Speaker 1: head back down the other way. And my wife's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just get out of here. So we all get
Speaker 1: up and we start, you know, grabbing my son and
Speaker 1: you know, putting the leash on the dog, and we're
Speaker 1: about to head down the way we came pretty much,
Speaker 1: and me and my wife, all of us and my son,
Speaker 1: we all heard this perfect oop, loud, you know, loud,
Speaker 1: deep guttural whoop, followed by what sounded like a gorilla grunting.
Speaker 1: It was just like a like that, like one of
Speaker 1: one to three, I don't know what it was a
Speaker 1: couple maybe two grumps after and we're like we just
Speaker 1: I saw my wife's face. She looked at me and
Speaker 1: she's like, what was that? And I said it again.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, if I tell you probably make
Speaker 1: fun of me. But there's only one thing that makes
Speaker 1: that noise out here. And it's not a bear, and
Speaker 1: it's not a coyote. It's not a mountain lion, and
Speaker 1: she's like, all right, whatever, let's just go. So we're
Speaker 1: heading down kind of with a quick pace, and I
Speaker 1: see her eyes think she's like starting to come to
Speaker 1: the realization that maybe I all the stuff I tell
Speaker 1: her and show her might not be so far fetched
Speaker 1: after all. And we're walking down this very steep I mean,
Speaker 1: we're kind of sliding on our butts part of the
Speaker 1: way on the way down. It was, it was really
Speaker 1: really steep. And we're walking and then we just start
Speaker 1: hearing this kind of moaning, really weird moaning sounds like uh.
Speaker 1: She's like, what is that? And that's I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have no idea. It's very creepy.
Speaker 1: Just keep walking slowly, don't run, just keep walking. We'll
Speaker 1: just kind of exit slowly, and you know, everyone stay
Speaker 1: together and you know, keep your head on a swivel.
Speaker 1: So we're just walking and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this little piece of quartz, like a milky quartz. I
Speaker 1: think it was probably about the size of a marble,
Speaker 1: not shaped like a marble. It's you know, very raw,
Speaker 1: just comes slying and just hits this redwood tree like
Speaker 1: right by my head and thumbs on to the ground,
Speaker 1: and I just looked down and I'm like, what the
Speaker 1: heck is that? How did this? Like well, something just
Speaker 1: threw this at us. So let's just let's just let's
Speaker 1: just keep going. Let's just keep getting out of here,
Speaker 1: all right, Whatever this is does not one us here.
Speaker 1: I picked the thing up, I kept that little piece
Speaker 1: of quartz, put it in my pocket. We just kept walking,
Speaker 1: and then we all kind of stopped and heard it
Speaker 1: sounded like a baby crying. And then that sound got
Speaker 1: very swiftly muted, almost like something like covered the mouth
Speaker 1: of a baby.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: If babies just starts wailing, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they say, eh, you know, just complete silence after that.
Speaker 2: And this is all middle of the day of broad daylight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, afternoon probably, like I would say, at this Turin
Speaker 1: it was twenty maybe three o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking around for people. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: are these Is there someone else out of here? There's
Speaker 1: no other person in that whole area. There was not
Speaker 1: one person. I mean it's a pretty isolated, hidden area.
Speaker 1: I don't think many people go back there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm constantly looking for footprints and doing some mild tracking
Speaker 1: and stuff. I didn't see any and you know, usually
Speaker 1: see hiking boot tracks everywhere. There was no tracks anywhere back.
Speaker 2: There, trash something.
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing. There's no sign of any people at all.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the baby noise was very creepy being covered
Speaker 1: by that hand. And then we finally got to the
Speaker 1: bottom area and that's around the area where I like
Speaker 1: where that baby sound came from. So I'm looking around,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to like investigate a bit, and just
Speaker 1: you know, I'm snapping hundreds of pictures of course, and
Speaker 1: we're down at the bottom and you could see like
Speaker 1: the kind of just kind of cut out where like
Speaker 1: that leads to our car eventually, so we kind of
Speaker 1: felt a little safer down there, so we kind of
Speaker 1: My son wanted to play in the woods a bit.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, grabbing big sticks and smacking
Speaker 1: them against trees. And I found some shelf mushrooms that
Speaker 1: were really cool. I was, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: into my college. I'm still into my college, so I'm
Speaker 1: like taking pictures of mushrooms and stuff. I was actually
Speaker 1: drumming on these these shelf mushrooms like Jim Carrey did
Speaker 1: in pet detective too. Yeah, I'm like playing like wipe
Speaker 1: out on these like shelf mushrooms, and my son's smacking
Speaker 1: sticks against trees and stuff and not in not for
Speaker 1: a reason. He was just having fun. And then we're
Speaker 1: making all this noise down there, and in the distance
Speaker 1: I hear it sounded like a loud scream, but like
Speaker 1: very far away that kind of not scream, more like
Speaker 1: like a like a like a siren, you know, but
Speaker 1: very far away. It sounded like like almost like that
Speaker 1: Ohio Howell kind of sounds to it, which was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that and we all heard it.
Speaker 1: My wife is like, you know what, I don't think
Speaker 1: we're gonna be taking our son here hiking anymore. And
Speaker 1: it is a little too much for me. For a
Speaker 1: brief second, I think she believed in big foot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: either way, we taking videos of my son. He's uh,
Speaker 1: this is where I got really creepy taking a video
Speaker 1: and then my son's in this in the video. I'm like,
Speaker 1: his name, you know, I'm just I don't want to
Speaker 1: say his name, but I'm like, everybody, you know, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And he's got my wife's phone and
Speaker 1: he's like about to have a little temper tantrum because
Speaker 1: he can't get the camera to switch to selfie mode.
Speaker 1: And it's super cute. I mean, he's four years old
Speaker 1: and he's like starts freaking out about this phone. And
Speaker 1: then I'm just videotaping him and I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: this isn't a good video. You're you're starting to act up,
Speaker 1: and I just turned the video off and then you know,
Speaker 1: we calm him down, leave, we get back to the
Speaker 1: cabin whatever. I'm going through my pictures and this and that,
Speaker 1: and that's when I started finding some very odd findings
Speaker 1: in my pictures, especially when he started freaking out about
Speaker 1: the phone. There was this these two trees in the
Speaker 1: background that kind of went down into a V. It
Speaker 1: was like the opening came down into a V between
Speaker 1: these two trees the way they were angled, and right
Speaker 1: in the bottom of that V. Well, he's freaking out.
Speaker 1: You can see this head moving behind trying to get
Speaker 1: a good look at him, and it it's it's literally
Speaker 1: you could see it like moving to try to get
Speaker 1: it like just to really lock onto him, and it's
Speaker 1: really creepy. I'm like looking at this thing, like what
Speaker 1: is that so I started zooming in and taking you know,
Speaker 1: screenshot after screenshot, trying to capture like just some image
Speaker 1: of what this thing could be. And yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It had eyes, it had a it was.
Speaker 1: It looked to me like it was a Saslutch nose eyes.
Speaker 1: You can see part of its upper teeth coming out,
Speaker 1: almost like it had its head tilted back, but was
Speaker 1: like trying to look forward at the same time, trying
Speaker 1: to like just really remain hidden. I'm going through my
Speaker 1: pictures and right where I heard that baby cry, I
Speaker 1: have a picture that can only be described as an
Speaker 1: infant space with grace gain. You could see the eyes,
Speaker 1: the nose, it's a it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: face in a bush. And I'm looking at this thing
Speaker 1: and I'm zooming around and I'm looking through this this
Speaker 1: foliage and you can see also it's being held by
Speaker 1: a mother. Something else is there. And it is not
Speaker 1: in full you know, it's not in It's very fated looking.
Speaker 1: It almost looks like it's you know, not translucent. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just foggy. But you can make out
Speaker 1: the eye, the cheek bone, you can make out the
Speaker 1: part of the nose and make out the shape of
Speaker 1: the head. You could even see some some hair, and
Speaker 1: it was looking right at my son as well. The
Speaker 1: eyes were If you look at the picture, the eyes
Speaker 1: are pointed. You could see the pupil pointed right at
Speaker 1: my son, which I started noticing a lot more after
Speaker 1: I saw that. I started looking at all the pictures
Speaker 1: of my son that I took in the in the
Speaker 1: redwoods back there, and there were a few pictures where
Speaker 1: you can see some creatures and the eyes would be
Speaker 1: directed right at him like they were very interested in him.
Speaker 1: And it seemed like anytime I took him out in
Speaker 1: that area, these things would come around us like a
Speaker 1: lot closer than usual.
Speaker 2: How far away are they?
Speaker 1: I mean, this thing was had to have been less
Speaker 1: than twenty feet away, maybe twenty five twenty to twenty
Speaker 1: five feet away in that area. It's hard to judge
Speaker 1: through the picture, but it's close. It's very close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just started noticing that up there. When I'm out there,
Speaker 1: when I'm when i'm alone, I don't I don't feel
Speaker 1: like that kind of that fear. But when when I'm
Speaker 1: with my son out there and these things are looking
Speaker 1: at him, it's kind of kind of gives me a
Speaker 1: a little anxiety. You know, I don't know what their
Speaker 1: interest is with them. You hear, you hear some stories
Speaker 1: where you know, I mean there's a full spectrum of stories.
Speaker 1: You hear stories where they help people, you hear stories
Speaker 1: where they take people. You know, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: just hard to judge something that is so unknown. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel a little nervous about taking them
Speaker 1: out there, at least really deep, deep out there anymore.
Speaker 1: Like if we go now, I kind of stick to
Speaker 1: like more well traveled trails when I'm with him, and
Speaker 1: you know, I have my I mean, I am on
Speaker 1: high alert the whole time. I do not let him
Speaker 1: run ahead. I'm like, I'm very strict when it comes
Speaker 1: to being out there. Now. My wife actually makes fun
Speaker 1: of me, said, wow, you're so strict. Just let them say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not going to let him run
Speaker 1: ahead of us, Like, if he's fifty feet ahead of us,
Speaker 1: that's enough time for anything to grab him. I mean,
Speaker 1: he weighs forty pounds, soaking wet. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to carry a forty pound kid
Speaker 1: off into the woods. So throughout very very strict when
Speaker 1: it comes to, you know, being out there with him anymore.
Speaker 2: And so what do you think is going on with
Speaker 2: these things? Like you talk about that one picture of
Speaker 2: the infant and the I guess mother not being fully solid.
Speaker 2: What do you think's going on?
Speaker 1: Well, I've gone through like the whole roller coaster of
Speaker 1: ideas about this, and just I like to read as
Speaker 1: much as I can about this. In particular, I think
Speaker 1: that these things have developed some really unique abilities, just
Speaker 1: like a lot of other animals on this planet have,
Speaker 1: even as simple as a polar bear. Like a polar bear,
Speaker 1: its hair is completely see through. It's clear, it's not white,
Speaker 1: it's completely see through. It has black skin, and the
Speaker 1: way the hair itself is shaped between that and the
Speaker 1: black skin and its surroundings, it picks up its surroundings.
Speaker 1: That's that's an adapt and that's how it adapts. That's
Speaker 1: how it hides from baby seals. It can sneak up
Speaker 1: on anything. It could remain almost completely unseen on the
Speaker 1: on the ice and in this and in the snow.
Speaker 1: I think maybe these things might have, you know, adapted
Speaker 1: something similar. You know, you hear all this, you know,
Speaker 1: lack of a modulla talk all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: Meldrum talks about it all the time. How all the
Speaker 1: hair samples he gets have the lack of modulla, which
Speaker 1: is the central core of a hair follicle. You know,
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then could these things possibly soak
Speaker 1: up texture and color of its surroundings and just kind
Speaker 1: of blend in a little easier and their skin is complete.
Speaker 1: I mean, from what I've seen, the skin looks completely
Speaker 1: like battleship gray, which just blends into anything. If you
Speaker 1: have that gray skin and then hair that can literally
Speaker 1: the way it's shaped. I mean, you think of like
Speaker 1: these cloaking mechanisms that the military develops. What if the
Speaker 1: hair can actually do that? What if can it bend
Speaker 1: light like a prism and just bend light around it
Speaker 1: to never behind it? You know, it shows that texture.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. That's kind of where I'm what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. Yeah, I always try to come up with
Speaker 1: like a scientific explanation for this stuff, or you know,
Speaker 1: you can't half the time. I mean, then you start
Speaker 1: talking about these balls of light that are seen with
Speaker 1: these things, and then all of a sudden everything gets
Speaker 1: thrown down the two I'm like all right, Well, I
Speaker 1: have no explanation for that, right.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen any orbs?
Speaker 1: Not personally? No. I my Actually I bring this up
Speaker 1: to my father all the time. I talk to him
Speaker 1: about this all the time. He's pretty open minded to it.
Speaker 1: He's very intrigued by the folk and stuff. And he
Speaker 1: was telling me that he was driving through I think
Speaker 1: it was Arizona back when he was a teenager, and
Speaker 1: through like a heavily forested area and uh, he said
Speaker 1: he had a ball of light follow his car. He
Speaker 1: was driving down the street. It was like really late
Speaker 1: early in the morning kind of time, midnight one in
Speaker 1: the morning kind of time. And he said a ball
Speaker 1: of light was traveling through the woods and came up
Speaker 1: to the passenger side window of his car and was
Speaker 1: keeping pace with him down the road, ended up moving
Speaker 1: in front of the car and was still keeping pace
Speaker 1: with him, and then just darted off into the woods
Speaker 1: and he saw he saw it moving through the trees. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And my dad is the type of dude to even
Speaker 1: talk about any of this kind of stuff. He's very like,
Speaker 1: you know, put together. He doesn't really For him to
Speaker 1: tell me that was incredible in my opinion, I mean
Speaker 1: just to hear him admit that. To me, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's that means something coming from him, because he's not
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that like want to even talk
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff. He gets kind of he's
Speaker 1: very reserved. I guess, you know.
Speaker 2: I've heard very similar stories about glowing balls of light
Speaker 2: behaving that way around vehicles.
Speaker 1: M h. He said it looked like it had intelligence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's probably like the third time I've heard that.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty interesting. I personally have I grow up.
Speaker 1: I mean, nowadays I'm out there at least twice a
Speaker 1: week broby eight hours each time. I go pretty deep
Speaker 1: into the wilderness all the time. I've still not seen
Speaker 1: one of these things, you know. Oh yeah, that's another
Speaker 1: strange thing that you know occurs with these things, And
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to think of anything scientific, you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to the relationship of the balls of
Speaker 1: light and a sasquatch. You know, you could scientifically, you
Speaker 1: could even scientifically describe like the glowing red eyes. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know where I just heard this, but someone
Speaker 1: was talking about this fish called the dragonfish that's a
Speaker 1: deep sea fish, and the fish developed the ability to
Speaker 1: give out a red light through its eyes and see
Speaker 1: in infrared in the deep sea where it's completely black.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, if a fish can develop something that
Speaker 1: puts out a red light so that it can see
Speaker 1: an infrared, who's to say that a land mammal that
Speaker 1: you know, has to live mostly nocturnally because of human
Speaker 1: encroachment didn't over time develop the ability to see an
Speaker 1: infrared at night. Because you talk about you hear these
Speaker 1: stories about hunters, and hunters go out. I mean they
Speaker 1: start walking out to their tree stands at what three
Speaker 1: in the morning sometimes, Yeah, three in the morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're going out there early. You want to get up
Speaker 1: before you know, you want to get out there before
Speaker 1: the sun comes up. And these people are avid outdoorsmen.
Speaker 1: These people are all seeing the same thing, and they're
Speaker 1: describing it not as eye shine. We've all seen eye shine.
Speaker 1: If they're describing this, these eyes to have a glow
Speaker 1: to them, like they're putting out their own light, who's
Speaker 1: to say that these things can't see in infrared. There
Speaker 1: was a guy who was just talking about how he
Speaker 1: saw the eyes go from completely red to amber, to
Speaker 1: yellow to a greenish tint and then almost to a
Speaker 1: light blue, all within a couple minutes the same creature.
Speaker 1: I've taken pictures where I've seen these things. They have fun.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, like I'll see, I'll take a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of pictures of the same spot and if there's a
Speaker 1: creature in it. I've taken a couple where you see
Speaker 1: the complete eye, you see the the pupil, you almost
Speaker 1: see like the actual color of the eye. It's almost
Speaker 1: like a like a beige color where our color would be,
Speaker 1: you know, around the surrounding the pupil. And then in
Speaker 1: another picture it almost looks like it's crazy to explain,
Speaker 1: but it almost looks like a film over the eye
Speaker 1: that changes the color completely into like this amber color.
Speaker 1: You know how certain animals have like a protective like
Speaker 1: an like an under eyelid. It almost looks like it
Speaker 1: has an under eyelid, like a protective layer or something.
Speaker 1: That's how That's the only way I can explain how
Speaker 1: it looks. It's very interesting though, and I've noticed that
Speaker 1: a couple of times with with photos of these things.
Speaker 2: I think if I remember correctly, and I'm sure if
Speaker 2: somebody's listen and knows, they'll correct me. If I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: but I think humans used to have like a secondary
Speaker 2: eyelid like that that we evolved away from. It wouldn't
Speaker 2: surprise me at all if these things had, you know,
Speaker 2: specialized eyes that have evolved into something, you know, to
Speaker 2: help it survive. Nature will find a way, you know, totally.
Speaker 1: And if you think about, like how this creature must
Speaker 1: have changed over time, I mean before humans were here,
Speaker 1: you know, like how we are now. I mean in
Speaker 1: this you know, the way we build cities now, and
Speaker 1: you know there's you know, we just take over everything
Speaker 1: and these things literally at one point of time, these
Speaker 1: things were able to come out during the day, you know,
Speaker 1: you know when when Native Americans we're here living here,
Speaker 1: you know, before the white man came, these things. I
Speaker 1: mean there's stories, there's there's Native stories where these things
Speaker 1: would you know, trade with with natives and they spoke
Speaker 1: the same, you know, similar languages. They were able to
Speaker 1: communicate with each other and all this stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: during that time, these things were probably able to come
Speaker 1: out during the day a lot more and they didn't
Speaker 1: have to worry about hiding so much. Now. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you think about some of these areas where these
Speaker 1: these things lived. I mean you think like you think
Speaker 1: these things live in like the most remote areas of
Speaker 1: the world. They probably do. They do, but they also
Speaker 1: live right in urban areas too. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: there's that video of one going through a dumpster at
Speaker 1: like a wal Mart or something, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: these things are living pretty close to people. They have
Speaker 1: to hide. They know how dangerous he thems are. Over time,
Speaker 1: they must have adapted some sort of skills, biological skills
Speaker 1: to help them, you know, navigate at night. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I also have another theory. I don't know how valid
Speaker 1: this is or sounds, but I've been noticing I hear
Speaker 1: a lot of clicking, especially where I am in southern California.
Speaker 1: And you wouldn't think that these things are in southern California,
Speaker 1: But believe me when I tell you, these things are
Speaker 1: out here in southern California in these mountains. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of experiences with with these things out here,
Speaker 1: and I hear these teeth clicks all the time like that,
Speaker 1: and I hear click like like that kind of finger
Speaker 1: popping sounds a lot, and I'm always wondering, like what
Speaker 1: these sounds mean, and I'm always doing research and trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what anything could be. And a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago I started doing some research and I
Speaker 1: don't know how I got to this, to this rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: but there was a guy who was blinded as a child.
Speaker 1: He couldn't see anything, and he literally a human being
Speaker 1: developed a way to echo locate using clicks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've seen that guy.
Speaker 1: And he's not the only one. He was the first
Speaker 1: one recorded to do this, but there's been more since then.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, if humans lost their vision and can
Speaker 1: develop a sense of echolocation using clicks, then could these
Speaker 1: things use those clicks to echo locate at night? And
Speaker 1: if that's the case, they would know where I mean,
Speaker 1: you know where everything is. I mean they can if
Speaker 1: you can echo locate and you could see infrared, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, I mean, you're like, it would give them
Speaker 1: such insane abilities to just be able to navigate through
Speaker 1: those areas at night. I mean, and I cannot come
Speaker 1: up with another explanation of how they can move silently
Speaker 1: through a pitch black forest at nighttime, completely stealthy like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was just another theory I had. I don't
Speaker 1: know how valid that is or anything. It could just
Speaker 1: sound like a big idiot, but no, not at all.
Speaker 2: It got me thinking about the tree knocks actually, and
Speaker 2: maybe that's just like a big man. Yeah, A lot
Speaker 2: of times the tree knocking seems to be a stated
Speaker 2: with people, you know, entering an area. So if they
Speaker 2: were using the tree knocks for some sort of you know,
Speaker 2: echo location mapping to find out where the humans in
Speaker 2: the area were exactly or something.
Speaker 1: And I get you know, out here in southern California,
Speaker 1: I also hear lots of rock clacking, lots of it.
Speaker 1: You just hear the rocks being very rapidly hit together,
Speaker 1: really quickly in these pulses that I don't know if
Speaker 1: that has anything to do with it too, but I
Speaker 1: mean it could be using those as well to to
Speaker 1: navigate or just to see who's around, see what's around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible. I was traveling to northern California all
Speaker 1: the time and thinking I had to travel all the
Speaker 1: way up there until someone told me about this spot
Speaker 1: out here, a buddy at work. Actually we're just you know,
Speaker 1: talking about you know, the forest. I just love being
Speaker 1: in the forest. I feel very comfortable in a home
Speaker 1: in the forest. I love doing bushcraft, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're just talking about this, and I'm like telling them,
Speaker 1: the worst part about living in southern California is there's
Speaker 1: no forests. All the hikes out here are canyons and desert,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's beautiful, but it's not. It doesn't
Speaker 1: give me that satisfaction. I just love being surrounded by trees.
Speaker 1: So then he told me, oh, well, there is a spot.
Speaker 1: It's in the Cleveland National Forest. It's less than an
Speaker 1: hour from I live in San Diego. It's less than
Speaker 1: an hour from here. You could drive there in fifty
Speaker 1: two minutes and you could be right in the middle
Speaker 1: of the forest. And the whole time, I mean, I've
Speaker 1: had lived out here for over a decade, had no
Speaker 1: idea it was there. And not only does he tell
Speaker 1: me about it, but he also has a best friend
Speaker 1: who owns the cabin out there, and she's never there.
Speaker 1: She lives in la and the cabin is basically just
Speaker 1: kind of like her. She goes there twice a year maybe,
Speaker 1: and it just you know, it fits, and she lets
Speaker 1: him go up whenever he wants. So we started going
Speaker 1: up to that cabin a lot and it was very,
Speaker 1: very very secluded. I mean my car couldn't even make
Speaker 1: it down the road to get to the cabin. The
Speaker 1: road is just a dirt cut out in the middle
Speaker 1: of the woods that goes for a few miles in.
Speaker 1: I mean it is very hilly lots. I mean you
Speaker 1: need a four wheel, you need a g or something
Speaker 1: to get back there. I have a a Nissan road
Speaker 1: that think that think cannot make it back there. I
Speaker 1: mean it's pretty rugg it back there. So, yeah, we
Speaker 1: would we would go out to the cabin and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd bring throwing axes and we'd be out
Speaker 1: there in the back, you know, throwing axes and knives
Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff, just you know, hanging out
Speaker 1: and going on hikes during the day and this and that. Well,
Speaker 1: when we were going back to the cabin for the
Speaker 1: first time, we went the wrong way. He couldn't remember
Speaker 1: the road. There was a there's like a few cutouts,
Speaker 1: and it's really it's kind of hard to find. So
Speaker 1: we went down the wrong road. It eventually led to
Speaker 1: the cabin. But we're going down this road and there's
Speaker 1: this sign back there that the Cleveland National Forest UH
Speaker 1: Rangers put up. It was like this official Cleveland National
Speaker 1: Forest bulletin that was back there, and there was a
Speaker 1: probably not it that said bigfoot creatures have been seen
Speaker 1: out here. Please stay on mark trails at all times.
Speaker 1: And I thought, what the hell, like is this is
Speaker 1: this forest actually recognizing these things and just you know
Speaker 1: warning people. It was. It was cool to see. I
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, Like I'm like, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean I've seen, like, you know, people post them
Speaker 2: on the internet and stuff, but I've never heard of
Speaker 2: one actually in a forest.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was there and it was official from them,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was like, wow, if these things are
Speaker 1: out here. I found out that night that they are
Speaker 1: out there. We we went out with a few. We
Speaker 1: brought a few people from work. It was kind of
Speaker 1: like a boy's night out. You know. We all got
Speaker 1: back there. You know, someone brought like a nine millimeter.
Speaker 1: We were gonna go out into the Onzebrego and shoot
Speaker 1: it the next day in some like blm Land, so
Speaker 1: you know, like five six of us. I'm a chef,
Speaker 1: so I also I made like a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: Jamaican food. I made like this big giant curry and
Speaker 1: all these Johnny cakes and all kinds of cool Jamaican food.
Speaker 1: It was so good. And we just kind of hung
Speaker 1: out back and ate a bunch of food, and we
Speaker 1: were drinking some beers, and we were saving the beer
Speaker 1: cans to shoot the next day. We're gonna set them
Speaker 1: up in the desert and just you know, and shoot them.
Speaker 1: We're all chilling. At the end of the night, we
Speaker 1: all start going in and cleaning up outside, and I
Speaker 1: noticed one of the dudes was scraping his bowl of
Speaker 1: food into the bag with the cans, and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: we're gonna s hit those cans tomorrow while you're putting
Speaker 1: while you pick and covering them in food. He's like,
Speaker 1: oh shoot, sorry, oh man. I'm like whatever, we'll just
Speaker 1: think we'll just clean it up tomorrow. We'll just dig
Speaker 1: around him. So I didn't think anything of it. The
Speaker 1: bag was left on the back porch. We all go in.
Speaker 1: The cabin has two bedrooms. You have to go through
Speaker 1: one bedroom to get to the second bedroom. That's kind
Speaker 1: of the layout. I took the far bedroom on the
Speaker 1: back wall of the cabin. My buddy who scraped the
Speaker 1: food into the bag, took the second bedroom. And then
Speaker 1: the guy who my buddy, who you know, is best
Speaker 1: friends with the lady who owns the cabin. He likes
Speaker 1: to stay on the big giant couch out in the
Speaker 1: living room, and they had this big kind of faux
Speaker 1: fur thick carpet, and then one dude like slept on
Speaker 1: the carpet. It was just like a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: us just kind of a bed in there. And I
Speaker 1: would say around three point thirty in the morning, I
Speaker 1: got woken up by the exact same screen that I
Speaker 1: heard out in the Pine bearings when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: That sounded like a woman being murdered outside. That actually
Speaker 1: was so loud that you could hear the glass in
Speaker 1: the windows shaking. It was loud, and that woke me up,
Speaker 1: and I was sitting straight up, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the hell is that. I'm just like sitting there staring.
Speaker 1: There's the whole room, like right where the bed is
Speaker 1: is surrounded by windows. So I'm in the bed, just
Speaker 1: surfounded by windows, and they have curtains down, and I
Speaker 1: just I'm sitting there staring and I see movement like
Speaker 1: something's walking, and then I start hearing footsteps outside the window,
Speaker 1: and this windows two feet from my head. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: oh great, something's out there. And then I hear something
Speaker 1: step up onto the porch, and I hear that bag,
Speaker 1: and I hear the cans shaking, and I hear like
Speaker 1: big deep sniffs, and then I hear more cans shaking,
Speaker 1: and then the cant the bag of cans drops, and
Speaker 1: then it just sounds like something full speed just sprinted
Speaker 1: off the porch. That kept me up for the rest
Speaker 1: of the night. Yeah, in the morning, I'm like sitting
Speaker 1: there like like, holy crap. Like I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: even want to say anything in the morning. I was
Speaker 1: just like, wonder if anyone else heard this. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say anything about this. I'm gonna wait as soon
Speaker 1: as I come out in the morning. And my buddy's
Speaker 1: my buddy, the one who scraped the food into the
Speaker 1: thing into the bag. He's like, did you guys hear
Speaker 1: that last night? That screen? He was the other one
Speaker 1: in the bedroom. He he was freaked out by it.
Speaker 1: He's like something he explained exactly what I just explained.
Speaker 1: Some Both me and him were just sitting up like
Speaker 1: what the hell. The other two dudes were in the
Speaker 1: living room. They didn't they I mean I think they.
Speaker 1: I don't really drink, so I was. I was pretty sober.
Speaker 1: I drank like a beer, maybe so did my buddy.
Speaker 1: But the two of them were, the two guys in
Speaker 1: the living room were like partying it up, so they
Speaker 1: were like they were self passed out. They didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1: I saw a look in my buddy's face, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he he was terrified. He definitely heard something he had
Speaker 1: never heard before. He grew up out in out in
Speaker 1: like a forested area too, so he was he was,
Speaker 1: He was like, I've never heard that sound in the
Speaker 1: woods before. Like yeah, like I said, it sounded just
Speaker 1: like that scream. So I started going there twice a
Speaker 1: week ever since that first time in the cabin, and
Speaker 1: just it's right along the Pacific Crest Trail. The Pacific
Speaker 1: Crest Trail, I believe, starts in Mexico if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: and it goes all the way up through southern like
Speaker 1: San Diego County southeast up into the mountains, and right
Speaker 1: where that cabin is is probably like a mile from
Speaker 1: where that Pacific Crest Trail where you can get it.
Speaker 1: Access to that trail so I'm over there all the time.
Speaker 1: I go all different directions all the time. I have
Speaker 1: found very deep, large footprints. I've heard the rock clacking.
Speaker 1: I've gotten some incredible photos. These things all around me
Speaker 1: grouped up into what I've been calling just pile ups.
Speaker 1: I've noticed that they like to pile up on each
Speaker 1: other and cover each other's faces with their arms, and
Speaker 1: they huddle up into the darkest shadows of trees and
Speaker 1: rocks and get really low to the grounds. And it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Some of these photos you can see, like we can
Speaker 1: see like six seven of them just piled up. You
Speaker 1: could see little ones. I got a photo one time.
Speaker 1: My dad and my stepmother came out to visit, and
Speaker 1: they wanted to do a cool hike, and I brought
Speaker 1: them up there. My son came with us. We were
Speaker 1: all hiking, and I mean we didn't even go deep
Speaker 1: off trail. We were pretty much sticking onto the trails.
Speaker 1: If we did go off trail, it was just you know,
Speaker 1: maybe like a couple hundred yards in the most and
Speaker 1: then we'd come, you know, make our way back the
Speaker 1: same way we came. Yeah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I had my son with me, so he you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to really you go deep off grid
Speaker 1: with him. But we're up there, and is it Me
Speaker 1: and my son one of us banged a stick against
Speaker 1: the tree really loud. The video was fine.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 1: I think I smacked a giant stick against the tree
Speaker 1: just for just messing around, really And that was answered
Speaker 1: with a can't describe it. It was. It wasn't very audible,
Speaker 1: but you can feel it. It sounded like this, like
Speaker 1: like like kind of noise, but it was more penetrating us,
Speaker 1: like it was more like it felt like almost like
Speaker 1: like like a bomb went off somewhere, like nearby, or
Speaker 1: like something exploded nearby, like that feeling of just just
Speaker 1: right through our bodies. And we all just stopped in
Speaker 1: our tracks. And my son's like, what was that? You know?
Speaker 1: My dad's like, yeah, what was that? I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't know what that was, but I've
Speaker 1: never heard it up here. Maybe we should probably turn
Speaker 1: around and start heading out. I didn't. It didn't feel normal,
Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable. And during that time I started taking
Speaker 1: a bunch of pictures and that's when I got one
Speaker 1: of the craziest pictures I've ever seen. Of this little
Speaker 1: infant that barely had any hair on him, he was
Speaker 1: all gray, on the shoulder of another one who was
Speaker 1: looked very neanderthal like, very caveman like. And he's on
Speaker 1: the shoulder of that one. And then right underneath them,
Speaker 1: peeking up is another one. It's a very small one,
Speaker 1: probably about the size of my son, who was five
Speaker 1: at the time, just a few feet tall, peeking out.
Speaker 1: And then right to the left of them was the
Speaker 1: right side profile of a face that was, I mean
Speaker 1: so detailed. You can see the eyes, the ear, you
Speaker 1: can see its hairline, you can see its kind of
Speaker 1: orangey brown hair going into the black. You can see
Speaker 1: his hand covering his face, all his fingers, the wrinkles
Speaker 1: in the knuckle, the fingernails, you can see everything. There
Speaker 1: was a whole group of them right there, probably about
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty yards from us, and I think that
Speaker 1: noise was a warning that we were getting too close,
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of young ones right there.
Speaker 1: You have all these, yeah, I've got all these. I've
Speaker 1: got multiple albums in my phone, and each album has
Speaker 1: an incredible amount of photos of these creatures from that area.
Speaker 1: I have different I have all albums from different areas,
Speaker 1: all labeled the timestamped. Everything I keep, I keep a
Speaker 1: I keep it pretty. Uh what's organized?
Speaker 2: You sent me h several different photos and there is
Speaker 2: definitely some in them that were very interesting. Uh where
Speaker 2: you can clearly see, you know, what looks like a bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Do you have these photos posted on like your Instagram
Speaker 2: you were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah. Yeah, I post everything on there. I
Speaker 1: you know, I try to get feedback from other researchers.
Speaker 1: I it's it's a great little outlet for me. I've
Speaker 1: made a lot of good friends from from from on there.
Speaker 1: It's great to to you know, bounce ideas back and
Speaker 1: forth with a lot of these other up and coming
Speaker 1: kind of researchers in different areas of of the of
Speaker 1: the world. I've I've got friends out in Australia that
Speaker 1: are out in North Queensland that are you know, finding
Speaker 1: the same stuff. We're finding tree structures and noises and
Speaker 1: you know the same sort of photos of these blurry
Speaker 1: yahwi's or whatever. You know. It's incredible, But yeah, everything's posted.
Speaker 2: There's just a lot of people, you know. That's one
Speaker 2: of the main things I get feedback on is Whenever
Speaker 2: somebody comes on the podcast and they talk about photos
Speaker 2: or videos, everybody starts asking where they can see them.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times some of the material that's
Speaker 2: discussed on the podcast isn't available publicly. So this is good.
Speaker 2: People can actually go and check out what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, please do I mean, I have I have,
Speaker 1: there's over there's probably a damn near four hundred something
Speaker 1: pictures of these things that I've posted. It's incredible I've
Speaker 1: even had Now I've gotten so good at finding them
Speaker 1: and I've gone through all these phases where now I
Speaker 1: mean just it was just a week ago when I
Speaker 1: was sick, I was in bed, and I've gotten a
Speaker 1: lot more skilled at going through these pictures and finding
Speaker 1: these creatures than I was a few years ago. Like
Speaker 1: the more you do it, the better you get. You
Speaker 1: know what to look for. You start learning these creatures abilities,
Speaker 1: and you know how to you come up with ways
Speaker 1: of trying to find them. Like a lot of pictures
Speaker 1: I don't see. I'll see just a little hint of
Speaker 1: something where I think it might be some you know,
Speaker 1: a creature, and then you go in there and you
Speaker 1: zoom in and you adjust the exposure a little bit,
Speaker 1: and you adjust the contrast a little bit, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, these things start popping out like details.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking like paradolia. I'm talking detail like eyeballs, nose, mouth, jawline, everything, hair, ears,
Speaker 1: You could see the perfect human ear. You know, is
Speaker 1: it's incredible. You know, you get a lot of those,
Speaker 1: a lot of people that don't really understand the abilities
Speaker 1: these creatures have. They try to they try to tell
Speaker 1: you everything's paradolia, everything's a tree, everything's a rock. But
Speaker 1: once you really understand how these creatures are and how
Speaker 1: they're able to camouflage, you start learning these different tricks
Speaker 1: and stuff. And yeah, I have people sending me pictures
Speaker 1: all the time and they're like do you see anything
Speaker 1: in this? And yeah, I'll I will scrub the picture,
Speaker 1: I'll go through it and do all the tricks I have,
Speaker 1: And a lot of times I find them and send them,
Speaker 1: send these people back these photos of these creatures that
Speaker 1: they that were right next to them. They had no idea.
Speaker 1: So now it's then becoming a thing. I'm getting like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting sent loads of pictures all the time, like hey,
Speaker 1: can you go through this for me. You know, I
Speaker 1: have a buddy who's out in Oregon who I met
Speaker 1: just through my page and he's he's on the coast
Speaker 1: of Oregon in this beautiful rainforest and he's constantly, constantly
Speaker 1: taken him he's out there every day. Back his name's
Speaker 1: Backwoods Bigfoot on Instagram. If anyone wants to check his
Speaker 1: stuff out, and yeah, he'll send me some videos or
Speaker 1: he'll even just post, you know, stories, and I'll take
Speaker 1: screenshots to some of his videos and some of the
Speaker 1: creatures that I have gotten that I have found, and
Speaker 1: some of his pictures are absolutely incredible, incredible. I mean
Speaker 1: I just found one about two weeks ago in one
Speaker 1: of his pictures that was the full side of a large,
Speaker 1: large sasquatches. You could see his arm, his biceps, I mean,
Speaker 1: his hand is grasping something. I don't know what it's grasping,
Speaker 1: but you can see his thumb and you could see
Speaker 1: his knuckles and wear his hair meets the wrist and
Speaker 1: kind of turns into like that gray skin his face
Speaker 1: it is, I mean, it looks like King Kong. This thing. Wow,
Speaker 1: the arm is about as wide as I am round.
Speaker 1: I'm a big dude. I'm six three two fifty. This
Speaker 1: thing is as big as my torso where his bicep is.
Speaker 1: I mean, the power, the hands, The hands are so huge,
Speaker 1: the fingers are so thick. I mean, the fingers look
Speaker 1: about as thick as my son's fricking arm, like six
Speaker 1: year old kid's arm. I mean, I mean, these things
Speaker 1: are huge and they are able to hide. I mean
Speaker 1: this photo I have that he took. If you look
Speaker 1: at the photo, the whole photo, before you zoom in,
Speaker 1: it looks just like a beautiful rainforest. You just see
Speaker 1: trees and you see the ferns and the plants. And
Speaker 1: then I start zooming in for people and pointing things out,
Speaker 1: and they're like, holy crap. I mean, talk about hiding
Speaker 1: literally in plain sight. I mean, the way these things
Speaker 1: can use that ability to I hate the word cloaking.
Speaker 1: I don't like using that word cloaking, but there's there's
Speaker 1: really no other word that is used for this ability yet.
Speaker 1: You know, but the way they're able to soak up
Speaker 1: the background noise is incredible, and they just disappear. You
Speaker 1: could just barely see the outline. It's almost like The Predator,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the movie The Predator they just completely
Speaker 1: just tone out and they are right there, right in
Speaker 1: front of you. It's amazing. I've got a couple of
Speaker 1: pictures from northern California where I have one huge one.
Speaker 1: I mean, this thing must have been I mean I'm
Speaker 1: talking twelve feet tall. The hands on this thing or
Speaker 1: the size of my head, the fists. Also the arms,
Speaker 1: like like I said, some of these arms are almost
Speaker 1: i mean they've got to be almost forty inches around.
Speaker 1: That's how big these things are. I mean, it's incredible
Speaker 1: the size. And then you think about how silent they
Speaker 1: are and how's it's just mind blowing. You know.
Speaker 2: One last time, what's the name of your Instagram channel.
Speaker 1: It's called Sasquatch Underscore Reanimated. I have all the photos
Speaker 1: up there, you know, and I tell people, hey, if
Speaker 1: you had an encounter, hit me up and I will
Speaker 1: for free illustrate your encounter in my style and post
Speaker 1: it and I'll post the story. I've done it a
Speaker 1: few times now. It's kind of just starting to pick
Speaker 1: up more. But yeah, people, it's hard to get people
Speaker 1: to come forward with their stories.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll do that, man, I want, I want.
Speaker 2: I'm down to work with you and see uh illustrating. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be great.
Speaker 1: I would I would love to. Yeah, I would love to.
Speaker 1: I love doing it. And you know, I have a
Speaker 1: lot of people that are like, why aren't you charging
Speaker 1: for this? And I'm not trying to. I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not really trying to be one of those people
Speaker 1: that's going to like capitalize off other people's encounters. I
Speaker 1: want it to be genuine and I draw anyway. I'm
Speaker 1: constantly drawing, so it's like, Okay, come on, give me
Speaker 1: some cool ideas. You know, I'm basically doing it just
Speaker 1: for the cool idea and a cool experience, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's fun to bring someone's encounter to life for them
Speaker 1: that they they can keep forever. And you know, I
Speaker 1: also have like an online store which I will usually
Speaker 1: post those pieces of art and then you know, other
Speaker 1: people can can buy shirts of it and hats and
Speaker 1: all kinds of cool stuff if they want. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and I usually just, uh, I'll send whoever whoever gave
Speaker 1: me the encounter, I will send them a print of
Speaker 1: the art in the mail. Yeah, it's been pretty fun
Speaker 1: doing that just kind of brings the community together, and
Speaker 1: you know, that's what we need more of. I feel
Speaker 1: like we need more of just like a open mindedness,
Speaker 1: and everyone's got to just, you know, hear each other
Speaker 1: out a little more, you know, because I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of big egos in this field, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a little bit too much
Speaker 1: negativity sometimes, and I'm just like, I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: be a positive outlet where someone can open up and
Speaker 1: not have to worry about feeling like, you know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get judged or anything. You know, I've heard some
Speaker 1: crazy stories. I mean, I heard a story where an
Speaker 1: army this army guy was telling me that his friend
Speaker 1: traveled through an orb to another world after getting poked
Speaker 1: with tree fall through his stomach. And you know, some
Speaker 1: of these stories are incredibly bizarre and out there, but
Speaker 1: you really can't with the subject. You cannot discredit people.
Speaker 1: You cannot You have to hear everyone out, you know,
Speaker 1: And That's what.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do. I'm trying to give people the
Speaker 2: opportunity to do that. Man, and your story, your story
Speaker 2: is one of the best ones I've ever heard, hands down.
Speaker 2: I mean, the stuff that you went through as a
Speaker 2: teenager was absolutely terrifying. You know, and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of behavioral characteristics that you mentioned that you know, are
Speaker 2: kind of talked about around campfires amongst researchers. The hyena laughing,
Speaker 2: for instance, the spider crawling and all those things. Man,
Speaker 2: So I really do appreciate you reaching out to me
Speaker 2: and setting this up and coming on here and sharing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a blast.
Speaker 2: And if you'd like to share your story about a
Speaker 2: bigfoot encounter or running with something else you can explain,
Speaker 2: send me an email a Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find
Speaker 2: links to past episodes, merchandise, social media, everything you need
Speaker 2: all in one place. And until next time, remember there's
Speaker 2: something in the woods.