Speaker 1: It was very late in the night, not quite morning yet.
We were heading back to our camp. Both of us
started feeling really uneasy. I felt like we weren't alone.
We were heading toward that tree line where our tent was.
That's when we both heard a very, very very loud scream.
I felt it in my stomach, my bones. It was
incredibly loud. It was high pitched, but at the same
time you could also hear almost like a war. We
started running full speed toward that tree line to get
to our camp, and we're hearing what sounds like trees
kind of falling. We're just terrified. We're just trying to
get to our campsite. Our campsite is completely destroyed. There's
trees on top of it, the fences down, the tent
is crushed, there's trees fallen all over it. And we
had no idea what could have done that.
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot cross Roads. My name's Matt and I'd
like to welcome Phil to the show. Phil email me
with a very interesting story and I can't wait to
get into it. Phil, how are you.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Your story starts off pretty interesting, just kind of start
us off at the beginning and walk us through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. It starts off a long time ago,
back before I knew anything about Bigfoot. I I think
the only thing I had ever heard at that time
about it was you know, Harry and the Henderson's, which
you know, was just a funny little movie.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, you know, I was as a kid, I uh,
I kind of grew up in a in a crappy
situation and decided when I was a teenager that I
was going to run away and escaped kind of an
abusive household. I went to New York City. At first,
too many people though, there was. It was a lot
going on. There was, you know, I was on the
missing Person's list. It was. It was a little a
little scary out there. After about a year or that,
I decided that I would go into the remote wilderness
and the pine barrens of New Jersey with a buddy
of mine. So that's what we did. I had I
had some outdoor skills. I was obsessed with kind of
survival and bushcraft as a child. I was always trying
to build stuff and I had this cool book. I
think it was like the The Sas Survival Guide. I
think the Altar was like John Wiseman, I think he
was like this. He was the first, the youngest soldier
to join the sas pretty cool guy. So I had
that book and I read it over a few times
as a child, and you know, when you're a teenager,
after reading something like that, you think you're invincible out there.
So yeah, me and my me and my buddy got
together with another friend who lived really close to this
really remote area in the pine barrens, and he kinda
he kind of hooked us up and took us to
the store to get some essentials. And yeah, we we
headed out and picked up you know, some knives, some
a tent, some other survival stuff and decided to go out.
We I think it was probably about three or four
miles deep into the into the pine barrens off the
off this like kind of like little side road, and
he lived probably another mile from there, so it wasn't
we were pretty remote, but we were also we could
walk to his house if we if we left early enough,
and we would do that every so often and you know,
get some food, get a shower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you said you were a teenager, how old?
Speaker 1: I was probably fourteen fifteen at the time. Oh wow,
pretty young. Yeah, yeah, very young, immature.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, but you don't think that at
the time. At the time, you know everything, and like
you said, you're invincible.
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, and you know, wasn't wasn't afraid of anything,
you know, after a year living on the streets in
New York City kind of yeah, you kind of don't
fear much, I imagine. But yeah, we uh, we found
we hiked into the woods. We we found this really
cool area that was I don't know if you know
about the Pine Barrens, but it's kind of sandy. In
some parts of the Pine barrens, they have a lot
of sands, and there was this one part that was
like very sandy, had like this crazy white sand and
these uh, I guess these BMX dudes like kind of
dug out some ramps and stuff and ditches and dudes
will take their dirt bikes out there sometimes. It was
pretty cool. It was kind of like a little open
area in the middle of the woods kind of you
could see everything. You could see for for a long distance,
and where we were we had a little height to
it so you could kind of see down and really cool.
So we we saw that and we were like, oh,
maybe we should, you know, get somewhere close to here.
So then we found this little tree line. We walked
into it a bit, and it went down a bit
and kind of flattened out, and we found this really
cool little camp area that was really hidden, very thick
all around it. You know, we were trying to avoid detection,
which was our number one goal at that time. We
did not want to end up in you know, protective
services or anything like that. We had a healthy fear
of that. So yeah, so we we found this little area,
we set up the tent, got a little kind of
fire pit from that book I learned to you know,
it teaches you how to avoid detection. So we we
did kind of like the full I guess you would
call it Dakota fire pit, where it feeds air from
one side into into a hole and the fire kind
of stays a little below below the ground so that
you're not you know, you don't have like a giant
bonfire in the middle of the woods. So we had
one of those just you know, after everything was set up,
we would just walk around and forage and just try
to learn our surroundings a bit more. But ever since
the first night. You know, there was weird. There was
weird sounds that we weren't used to, and definite pretty creepy.
We would hear, you know, twigs breaking and things walking
around our camp at night, and we did not know
what it was. We just kind of figured it with animals.
So I decided that we should build a little perimeter fence.
We did that. We took a bunch of saplings, cut
them down, tied them together with some power cord and
duct tape and whatever we could, stuck them into the ground,
and built this pretty intricate perimeter fence around our whole camp,
which also helped us remain a little more undetected. It
was pretty camouflaged in there. We could barely see it
if you were just walking around back there, so that
made us feel a little more safe. But we would
every night we'd hear walking all around our camps and
it to me sounded like bipedal walking. So we thought
maybe there could be some kind of you know, recluse
type dude out there, maybe also living out there with us.
Speaker 2: Did you see wildlife out there? Did you see deer
and stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, there was loads of deer, Yeah, loads and
loads of deer, so many, I mean an insane amount
of deer all the time. There was all kinds of
different birds all the time, raccoons all the time, possums,
you know, just like the small kind of critters. Yeah,
we didn't run into anything crazy, but yeah, like I said,
mostly deer, but these did not sound like deer. When
the deer would come through, you could tell, you could
hear that they were there was four legs coming down,
and the way they moved this was a little different.
It got to the point where we were literally thinking
like is this place haunted or something? Yeah, it's movies,
it was. It was very close to our our perimeter wall.
We would hear these such steps just walking in circles
all around all night, and then we started hearing like
little noises here and there just kind of progressed as
we were there. We would hear whistles that did not
sound like birds because you could tell like there was
like all these different kind of birds out there. It
was have you ever heard of a whipparial? Yeah, yeah,
that would be like the night sounds would be lots
of those things. I'm not even gonna try to mimic
that that sounds, but Yeah, it's a bird called a whipparill,
and their sound actually sounds like whipparil. Yeah, you know
to do you would hear that all night long, and
then all of a sudd it would when those footsteps came,
it would just get all the birds would would stop,
all the little critters would stop. It would get super quiet.
And yeah, that's when we would start hearing those footsteps.
Then the whistles started. We would hear like a whistle,
then another whistle, you know, maybe fifty yards away.
Speaker 2: How would you describe the whistle?
Speaker 1: Very loud, kind of like you know, you know, like
when you're a kid at like a baseball game or
something and and you see like you see one of
those dudes like stick his two fingers in his mouth
and just go hard and just belt out a whistle,
you know, one of those kind of Yeah, just a
very loud, long whistle.
Speaker 2: Was it like single tone?
Speaker 1: There would usually be one to three. I'd notice it
was always either one or three, okay, but very long
and drawn out. Yeah. We did not know what to
think about that. Literally, we we we thought it was
haunted or something. You know, we were young. We had
we had never we had never lived in the woods
like that, So yeah, it was terrifying, but we kind
of just you know, paid no attention really after a
while that we just kind of got used to it.
Speaker 2: Is this something? Was it happening every single night pretty much?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least something, you know, if it wasn't the whistles,
it was just the footsteps or you know, and just
started progressing, like we started getting things thrown at the
into the campsite, pine cones, little little stones and acorns
and stuff like over the fence, yes, yep, right onto
the tent. Wow. Yeah. And you know, we'd look around
outside there was no pine cones hanging over our tent.
The trees around their tent and not have cones on them,
so that was pretty strange. Again, never bigfoot never came
into our our thoughts. We were just kind of weirded up,
like where are these coming from? It was a strange.
There was one day we were out there and we
were kind of just walking around foraging and stuff. We
were just I had I had this book of plants
and stuff I was trying to I was trying to
identify some plants, and there was this kid on a
on a dirt bike that was driving. I guess he
had come from that sand pit area and he saw
us and we saw him. We all we made eye
contact and I'm like, oh, great, were spotted. But the kid, like,
you know, he came over to us and asked us
what we were doing, and we kind of told him.
He was a little younger than us. He seemed pretty
cool though he was. He's like, yeah, I won't tell
on you guys. And then he told us, don't you
know the mafia used to dumb bodies back here? And
we're like, hmm, well, okay, that's weird. And then we
start thinking, okay, the mafia used to dumb bodies back here?
Is this what we're hearing at night? That we're hearing
you know, some sort of paranormal stuff? So yeah, you know,
we had that in our heads. That added a level
of you know terror to the when the when the
night came. Yeah, you know, it kept going on and
on and on, and it was one night we uh,
we went out with our buddy. We hung out with
him for a little bit and it was it was
really late. It was probably like it had to have
been like eleven thirty twelve. Maybe I don't know I have.
It was so long ago, I can't tell you what
time was. It was very late in the night, not
quite morning yet. He dropped us off at the tree
line and we were heading back to our camp, and
both of us started feeling really uneasy, very nauseous, and
kind of just not right, like kind of like felt
like we weren't alone. And we had been talking about it.
We were like, this doesn't feel right. We were just like, whatever,
let's just get to our camp, so we'll walk in.
We get to that sand pit area there was the
moon is out, the sand is almost kind of illuminating
off the the moon is kind of illuminating the sand,
so you could see pretty well. And we were heading
toward that tree line where our tent was, and that's
when we both heard a very very very loud scream
like a woman being murdered, kind of like how everyone
describes it, you know, yeah, rattles right through your body.
I felt it in my stomach, my bones. It was.
It was incredibly loud and high pitched, but there seemed
to be like another tone with it was high pitched,
but at the same time, you could also hear almost
like a war at the at the exact same time.
That was just deep and guttural. So we both heard
that and stopped in our tracks. I feel like the
only thing I can compare the feeling too was when
I was at a Motorhead show and I was standing
ten feet from Lemme's bassamp and he came out and
started playing that song Overkill, and that bass from from
that is like what I felt in that screen. That
just completely just feel it through you from your head
to your toes, inside and out. You know, we had
no idea what that was. We started running full speed
toward that tree line to get to our to our camp.
So we get to the tree line and we're going
through the really really sick brush to get to our
camp and we're hearing what sounds like trees kind of falling.
I'm like, I stopped. I'm like, doesn't it some like
trees falling? I mean, well, the scream happened a couple
more times before we got to our camp. So at
this point we are like, we don't know what we're
dealing with. We're just terrified. We're just trying to get
to our campsite. We had all kinds of knives and
stuff there. We were trying to get to them. And
then I get a look at where our campsite is,
and I stopped my buddy and I'm like, look, and
our campsite is completely destroyed. There's trees on top of it,
the the fence is down, the tent is crushed, there's
trees falling all over it. We couldn't even we couldn't
even get to it, and we had no idea what
could have done that. So we just turned around and
we just started booking it. Those screams got a lot louder,
a lot closer. We started seeing like from the tree
lined these trees shaking back and forth, and I'm like,
what is shaking those trees? We jumped in this this
kind of dugout hole that was kind of like a
bowl that they would use for dirt biking, and we
were just literally huddled in there trying to hide from
whatever this this was. And we were just duck down
in the sandpit, literally getting screened at. Every time we'd
peek out, we'd see like there was at one point
there was a tree that was out. We saw these
this almost like a root ball getting smashed between these
two trees and just dirt flying everywhere. It was just
loud dumping. It was horrifying. We had no idea what
could have been doing that. At that point, I asked
my buddy if he thinks like someone slipped acid into
our drink or something, because it was just it was
so out of this world. It was just so it
was you know, you can't describe it, especially when you
have no concept of what you know these creatures are due.
So we had no idea, Like, I had no other
explanation than like, this is either paranormal or both of
us are having the same exact acid trip because we
got slipped acid. Like that's the only thing I could
have could think of at the time. But we were
only with a good friend of ours, So I mean,
it's damn near impossible that that was it. But you know,
we were just trying to come up with something that
it could be. Yeah, so he's my buddy. My buddy
starts hearing stuff in in his own head. I didn't
have this. He started really freaking out that something was
talking to him in his head, and that's when I
was like, Yeah, this has to be some sort of
LSD trip or something. You're hearing things in your head,
you know, we peeked out. Trees were still shaking, we
were still hearing things walking around, snapping branches. I had
noticed that there was this there was this kind of
dead tree down at the bottom of these sand pits,
and I noticed that it looked like there was something
in it, and I pointed it out to my buddy
and we're just staring at this thing. It's just like
this black silhouette. It looks like two arms holding a
branch above it, hanging up and kind of squatted down
on this really thick branch, low, like a low branch
that was probably about five feet up off the ground,
and it just looked like someone was holding a branch
above its head and squatting down, Like what is that?
It was all black silhouette, and I'm like, maybe it's
just a tree. And my buddy's like, it looks like
someone like hanging in that tree, and I'm like, yeah,
it totally does. But dropped down onto the sands and
got on all fours like looked like a like a spider.
That's when I'm like, all right, that's something. I don't
know what that is, you know, trying to make any
sense of this was just like impossible at the time. Yeah,
I would say, so shaping with fear. And we duck
down back in that pit and we I mean, I'm
telling you, my buddy was grabbing out of my arm
so hard I had bruised it all over my arm.
I mean, we were, we were, we were freaking scared,
so in this pit and this thing is we it
it starts that was what was screaming, because we heard
the scream again from that area, and then we started
hearing a laugh that almost sounded like a kind of
like a spotted hyena. Yeah, but like more ape. Like
I didn't even think ape at the time. I just
was like, Okay, this is the worst trip ever. I
don't know what that is. It didn't sound human. It
sounded almost like it's so weird how it sounded almost
like one of those like voice changing boxes, know that
people use on interviews, like you know, former CIA agents
or something. Would you know whistleblowers use those like weird
kind of voice changers. Sounded like it was almost coming
from one of those very inhuman, very nothing nothing we've heard,
nothing we've ever known to exist, you know. So that's
what we heard laughing around us, and the thing was
running on all floors at really high speeds all around
the sand pit. I'm sure the thing was watching us
peeking out of that pit, and it would run by
and kick loads of sand on us. We were just
getting covered and we had sand in our eyes. It
was every time it went by, you could hear the
thuds of its hands and feet on the ground, just
getting close and closer, and then all of a sudden,
it would just be like, you know, I can't even
tell you how much sand just kicking all over us.
And it was, it was. It was pretty It was
pretty creepy. We stayed in that pit literally until the
sun came up. Hadn't all this happened? It was ours
we were. We were stuck in there. We couldn't move.
We both, uh, it's embarrassing to say, but at the time,
we both we both pissed our pants in that pit.
We were we were sitting in that pit, covered in sand, terrified,
covered in pea like it. We were shaking. It just
felt like so so out of this world. When that
sun came up, we uh, we saw the sun started
like coming over the horizon, it started getting a little lighter.
I picked out I didn't see anything. We can still
hear things moving through the tree line. I didn't see
that thing running around anymore. I was like, dude, let's
run for it. And we just I mean, we ran
so fast. We just kept going. When we were running,
we ran to the road and if you cross the road,
there's another set of trees on the other side, and
that eventually leads to some railroad tracks. Like, maybe we
should just hit the railroad tracks and just start heading south.
And my buddy's like, all right, so we start. We
go running across the street into the next tree line.
There was so bizarre. As we're running, we get to
the tree line, we'll running through the trees, and I
hear this car coming and the car skids to a
stop and literally crashes off the road into the trees.
I don't know what that was. I don't know what
we I was like, dude, let's just keep going. You know,
I'm not turning around. I'm not going back to see
what that was. That car saw something. I don't know
what that car saw, but whatever that thing is, it's
still out here, and let's just go. We ran to
those railroad tracks and we when we hit those tracks,
we did about must have been about eighteen miles on
those tracks that day. We went across the railroad bridge,
we got into the town where we're from. It was
it was crazy. We're on the railroad tracks, we're going
and there's this road crossing coming up and we're kind
of just trying to stay hidden because you know, we're
both it's still on the missing person's list were you know,
if any cops saw us, they probably would have stopped us.
We looked crazy. I mean, I didn't mention we were
Also we're street punks too, so we've got mohawks, we've
got leather jackets with spikes. You know, we kind of
stick out like sore thumbs. Plus we both peed ourselves
and we were sitting covered in sand all night. We
looked like a horrible mess. We're crossing the street and
just so happens, an old friend was driving to go
visit her mom and she sees us. She hadn't seen
us in almost two years. At this point. There was
rumors going around that we were dead. There was rumors
that we ran away to California, so many different rumors.
So she sees us and she's like, what the hell
happened to you? Guys, she said, we look like like
we saw ghosts. We were completely just white, just horrified,
bug eyed, like we had been up all night, just terrified,
snoke awful. You know. She gets us in her car,
she's like, you guys, you guys can you guys can
live with me? We're like what She literally took us in.
After that day, we never went back to that campsite.
I don't think I after that day went back into
the woods, especially at night, and I had no idea.
We still had no idea what happened. We still at
the time were like, Okay, when we talked about it,
it was like that must have been it must have
been LSD or something or some sort of hallucinogenic and
then we just couldn't figure out where that could have
came from. But we had no other I had no
knowledge of any of this. So I had for years.
I mean, I went so long thinking that this could
have just been some weird slip until about I think
it was about twenty eleven, That is that when finding
Bigfoot came out about twenty eleven, twenty ten, something like that.
Yeah right there. Yeah, So it's funny I went from
you know, not knowing anything. Then I see this commercial
on TV. I'm sitting here with my wife, she was
my girlfriend at the time. We had moved to California.
We're sitting there watching TV one night. I'm in my twenties,
and this commercial comes on for Finding Bigfoot, and you know,
I see this thing come on and I think it
was Matt Moneymaker. That's like, I think there's a squadch
in these woods. And me and my wife started hysterically
laughing making I'm making fun of it. You know, at
the time, I thought it was hilarious. I'm like, do
these people? Are these people for real? You know, I'm like,
is this like a real thing? And so, you know,
I would make fun of it, and you know, do
that impression sometimes, like just joking around, you know. And
I just kept seeing these commercials for the show, and
I'm like, I just to watch it. This just looks
too good, This looks kind of funny. I gotta watch this.
And then I'm watching that show and things are just
starting to click about my experience, you know, I'm like,
all right, this is weird. And then I start doing
my own research and I'm looking up stuff on YouTube,
and then I start watching more videos and people are
talking about these things walking around their campsite at night
and circle and throwing pine cones. And that's when I'm like,
I started shaking, Like I'm shaking right now just recounting this.
I'm just like, oh my gosh, I wonder if that's
what I was dealing with out there. And you know,
I started listening to the earlier podcasts that were coming
out and hearing encounters and watching everything and just trying
to soak up as much knowledge as possible. I started
buying books and you know, doing all kinds of research
and kind of pinpointed it to that. So I did
like kind of like a full circle there. I went
from not knowing to making fun of the pretty much
firmly delue. What happened to us that day was these
creatures that we kind of imposed on. We came into
their area where they lived. You know, we were making noise,
we had you know, we were blasting punk rock from
from you know, battery operated boom boxes and you know,
knocking trees down, building stuff. You know, we were just
in their area.
Speaker 2: How long were you there at that time? Like in
that camp, there was.
Speaker 1: A total of almost two years. I would say year
and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only did you go into their territory, but
then you didn't leave. You just stayed there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we set up shop. We stayed, and that's why
it progressively kind of got worse and worse. Yeah. Yeah,
So I slowly kind of made this realization that that
this is what I was dealing with, and that's what
that creature was, and then it would really feel the
deal was when I heard some it was it was
probably like a Fasquatch Chronicles episode where a hunter said
that he saw this thing get on all fours and
look like a spider. And when he said that, I like,
I almost almost like fell over. That's exactly what it
looked like, looked like a spider. The way it it's
its anatomy is it's it's not like if me and
you got on our hands and knees or on the ground.
It's a little different. It was just an inhuman way
of moving. It was very like fast rapid, Like I mean,
I'm talking like something that can do like a three
sixty on all fours and just stay really low to
the ground within like a second and just completely run
the opposite way and just disappear. I mean, this thing
had very, very very inhuman kind of movements. That was
That was my first encounter. That kind of gave me
the realization that these things are real and these things
are out there. At the same time, I thought, you know,
as mad as we made these these things that were
living out there, they never physically harmed us. They terrified us.
They never came into that you know, they never heard us,
they never grabbed us. They could have knocked a tree
over onto us if they wanted to while we were
sleeping in that tent. They never did that. And that
kind of got me, kind of got me over my
fear of being alone in the woods again. So, I mean,
from that time up until you know, twenty twelve ish,
I did not enjoy being in the woods at all.
I did not like it. I had PTSD from it.
It was it was just, you know, it was something
I did not do. I did not like it. I
had a friend who lived out in the woods, you
know a few years later, and I stayed at his
house a couple of times back in the day, and yeah,
I wouldn't I wouldn't even go out to smoke a
cigarette at nighttime out there. I had a healthy fear
of it. Yeah, did you.
Speaker 2: Ever talk to that friend that experienced it with you?
Speaker 1: I did. He's these days, he's uh, he's really I
don't know, he's not really uh in the healthiest state
of mind. I would say, yeah, I think he's still got,
you know, issues with either addiction or alcoholism. And I did.
I did contact him about it. I'd never brought up
bigfoot because I didn't, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you even bring that up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, after after almost twenty years in not talking, I'm like, hey.
Speaker 2: Remember that most terrifying night of our lives. I think
I've got it figured out. It's bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so I did bring it up. I did kinda.
I said, hey, remember that, you know, just like you said,
remember that terrifying night we had in the woods. And
he's like, and it sounds like I brought some stuff
up he did not want to talk about. Yeah, yeah,
yeah I do. He's like, that was horrible. I'm like yeah,
I'm like, yeah, we always thought, you know, we were tripping, right,
and like we must have gotten slipped something, right, isn't
that like kind of like the the story we came
up with about that. And he's like, yeah, yeah, you know,
the only person we saw that day was our other friend,
and he was kind of like a goody goodie boy,
like he wasn't the one to you know, any kind
of connections for any acid or anything. I'm like, you realize, like,
he's the only person so we saw, and we both
had the exact same experience, heard the same things, saw
the same thing, you know, a little strange. He's like, yeah,
I never thought of that. Like he's like, yeah, damn
near impossible that we would ever be slipped anything like yeah,
And I kind of left it at that for him
to ponder on. He's like, that's freaking weird man. Ever
since I brought that up to him, though, he will
not talk about it. I've tried to text him about it.
I've tried to kind of slowly, you know, feel him
out for it. Yeah, but yeah, he does not want to.
He does not want to talk about it. He kind
of yeah. I think I think that kind of affected
him a little too much too.
Speaker 2: But that's what we do as humans. I Mean, if
a hunter experiences something out in the woods that they
don't really have an explanation for, they typically just write
it off as like, oh well, at my to have
been a bear or maybe you know, a hermit living
out there or something like that, and in your situation
at that age and everything and your life experiences that
you were going through and had gone through up to
that point, it kind of makes sense to me that
the first place you would kind of go is like, man,
we must be tripping, like somebody must have slipped us something.
You know, like nothing else is going to be on
your radar, and you're trying to You're trying to make
sense of that experience because not having knowledge of what
was going on is even more terrifying.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah, yep, but yeah, you know that kind of
that whole thing and just realizing that these things are
out there just sparked this. Like, I mean, I have
been doing insae amount of research. I'm also an artist.
I started drawing some of those experiences in my own
kind of unique style, and I started like a an
Instagram page called Sasquatch Reanimated kind of just started posting
art at first, and it kind of people started really
liking it, and it kind of blew up a bit.
And then I you know, I got the idea to
let people know like if if you have an encounter,
give me a call, shoot me a d M, and
I'll illustrate your encounter for you for free. I thought
that was pretty fun. So I've been doing that for
the past few years. And then I started having some
experiences of my own. I started going out in the
woods a lot more. I started, you know, I had
I didn't really have a fear of the woods like
I used to once I once I came to the
realization that these things did not hurt us. These things
we made, we pissed them off so much, and they
didn't They did not ever touch us or throw anything.
We never got hit by a rock. I mean, they
could have done so much damage to us. So I
kind of like got over that that fear and started
going out into the woods again and foraging again. And
I'm big into mycology. So, you know, we we have
a friend that lives up in the Redwoods. We drive
up there twice a year now. She lives in the
middle of the Redwoods. Her she's a cabin that's that
was built in the late eighteen hundreds. It's got like
a really cool wood burning stove. It's very old, very cool.
It's got a wrap around porch. The beams of the
porch literally go down into this really cool rapids like
a it's pretty fast even creek. I mean, she is
out there, so we go visit her, and then all
these other experiences start happening. Now I'm fully aware. I also,
I want to say, I got an in my instructor's
certificate in military krav Maga during the durt around that
time we started going out there. One thing we teaches
self awareness. I mean we're taught to just keep our
heads on a swivel at all times. I have this
new I have a new self awareness about me. I
have my head. I'm looking at everything. I'm looking up,
I'm looking down, I'm looking between trees, I'm looking at
all the dark spots, the shadows. So we're going We're
up there. We're doing some hikes. The first time we
went up to the Redwoods, it was the rainy season.
There was turkey tail mushrooms everywhere. So I'm out there
just forging away on these turkey tails. My family went
back to the cabin because we have a we have
a young son at that time, he was probably three.
He couldn't make you know, he couldn't do any big
hikes at that time, so I stayed out there. I
ended up doing an overnight collecting mushrooms, and then that's
when I started having another encounter experience. I heard vocalizations
down by the water, down by the creek at night,
and most most of the sound was just the creek.
You could just hear the water. It was very loud.
But I started hearing these like rumbles and kind of chatter,
like two things talking to each other down by the water.
So when the sun came up in the I went
over to investigate, and that's when I found a very
large set of tracks i'd say over around nineteen inches
long five and a half inches wide at.
Speaker 3: The top of the the arch, and it kind of
one was pressed really really far down into the.
Speaker 1: The side of the creek bed over there. Then the
others kind of disappeared into this tall grass. I mean,
it was pressed so far down that it started filling
up with water from the the wetness of you know,
the the substrate. You know, you see those survival shows
were like, you know, you find like some fresh water
and you dig like a hole next to it, and
it starts filling up with water. Yeah, just like that
I mean this thing was probably four and a half
inches deep, and it was just filled with water, perfect
perfectly shaped like a human kind of foot, except wider.
Mm hmm. That's around the time where I'm like, Okay,
well I think these things are here. So I just
kept following those those that trackway, and that's where I
noticed another one that was smaller. It was probably half
the side of that one, but also a very distinct
barefoot track in the middle of the redwood and in
the rainy season. You know, no one's walking around there
with bare feet during that time. So yeah, I started
noticing that started photographing those. I started just after after
I saw those tracks. I started just taking pictures of
the forest around me, just very candid shots. I would
have my cell phone just I would be walking with
like cross arms, with my phone under like under my
arm and kind of just poke it out a little
and just take like a shot and then hide it again.
I was trying to be as you know, candid as possible.
When I got back to that cabin, I started going
through my photos, and yeah, I started finding what look
like to me sasquatch looking at me, hiding, you know,
from behind trees, and stuff. I started seeing them in
my photos, and that's when I started posting them on
my UH on my page and sharing them with people
and trying to get feedback from from other researchers, and
I know I sent I sent a bunch to At
one point, I sent a punch to Ronnie LeBlanc. He
found a few of them pretty intriguing. Other researchers I've
shared them with have also also found some of those
photos pretty cool. We started going there, you know, like
I said, twice a year, and each time we had,
you know, some sort of experience, I would go. I
would go pretty deep out there. I would usually do
about probably like fourteen fifteen mile hikes during the day
and just kind of go like about six seven eight
miles deep and kind of turn around. I like to
go off trail too, so I don't like to really
stick to any major trails. But even the area we
were in, it's not very uh, it's not like a
it's not like a hotspot. It's not like some some
you know, like Yosemite or you know, Sequilias where there's
like a thousand people on the trails. You don't run
into anyone out there. You might run into like you know,
like a trail runner or two here and there, but
that's about it. So it's pretty secluded. And I started
finding tree structures, big xes everywhere, very large x is.
Like I'm like, you know, thirty foot tall trees six
inches around, you know, seven inches eight inches around, stuffed
into the grounds like, you know, very bizarre kind of
structures that I started finding everywhere and get like anytime
I was in those areas and I started seeing that,
I started feeling that feeling that everyone talks about where
you're kind of being white. And there was certain areas
that I was like heading in a certain direction and
all of a sudden, I just felt the urge like
I needed to just stop and just not go that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wall, and.
Speaker 1: It was just so random. I just I just my
body would not let me go any further. I don't
know why. I can't explain it, but just but freeze.
I would just be stuck. It's like, yeah, don't keep going,
just stay right where you are, turn around, like head
the other way, don't go that way. But I have
no idea, I cannot explain why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I've talked to a lot of people.
About over the years and something that was brought up
early on whenever I was going out researching. We called
it the wall, and I've experienced it, I've seen it
happen to other people just and like you're saying it,
it's so hard to explain because it's not just a
sense of like, uh, you know, got the chili bumps,
it's kind of spout. No, it's a dead stop. It's
an absolute I cannot take another step further.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's exactly what I was feeling like up there,
and it was strange. So anytime I felt that that feeling,
I would get my phone out and just start doing
three sixty pictures all around me, hundreds of them, I
mean hundreds of pictures. I would just start snapping away
and then I would, you know, during my free time,
be just going through them, zooming in, kicking screenshots of
certain things, zooming in more, looking at every little shadow
and cracking crevice, and you know, just scanning every single picture.
And then you know, once in a while, well you
just see an eyeball, and then you follow that eyeball
down you see a nose and a cheek and maybe
like a part of a mouth, hanging out from the
side of a tree and you see fur or hair.
You know. When I started, you know, getting more, I
started seeing this more and more in my pictures, and
it was it was pretty cool. I mean I was
just blown away by it. I was like, I can't
believe how close these things are. And I had no idea.
You don't see them when you're there. You know, it's
like it could be ten feet from you, these giant creatures,
and you don't. You have zero visuals until you start
going through your photos and then you're like, okay, wow.
So I knew they were there, and keep fast forward.
We kept going. I kept doing, you know, anytime I
was up there to be out in the woods. Almost
the whole time. I got my wife and my son.
We brought the dog. At one point I found this
really cool area. It was right off the main road.
There was no trail, there was no parking or anything.
We kind of just parked on the side of the road.
I saw just cut out in the trees and when
you drive by it and you look in, there's just beautiful.
I mean, it just looks beautiful. Ferns and red woods
and it just looks magical, almost so I was like,
I need to get in there. I want to go
check that area out. It was it was probably about
let's say, five miles from my friend's cabin, so we
we decided to go there one day. It's a very
steep incline going up, but we were all feeling up
for it. It was early, so the whole family we
went in. We're hanging out at the bottom. My son's,
you know, very young at the time, three four years old,
so you know, he's having a blast in the woods.
The dogs are running around like crazy, and I'm like,
all right, well, let's let's get up to the top
of this ridge and see what's going on up there.
So we did. We started going up and as we're
going up, I start hearing very loud thumps on the
on on on a tree. I believe these trees. The
bark on these trees is super thick, and it's kind
of soft. It's kind of it's not like, you know,
like like a hard bark from like a pine tree
or something a normal like pine tree. It's got like
softness to it. If you punch it with your fist,
it's kind of got some cushion into it. So when
you sump it. If you take your hand and open
hand and cup it and just thump it. D of
has this distinct sound. It's very muffled and just you know,
that's what I was hearing, but very loud, like just
a it sounded like a big hand, just something away
on a on a redwood. When we were the only
ones out there. I mean, it was in the middle
of nowhere and my wife, my wife starts getting startled
at this point. She's making fun of me for for
getting into the whole big foot thing. And I will
also add this, she has no idea about my first encounter.
I have not told her to this day, and I
probably won't. She's she's also an LCSW licensed clinical social worker.
She kind of, you know, she's in that mental health field.
I have a feeling if I ever told I told
her about this story, she'd have me you know you oh,
I would be analyzed. I would be on some some
heavy medications. So yeah, I kind of kind of just
keep that one to myself. But yeah, either way, she's
she makes fun of me all the time for the
whole you know, watching all this you know, bigfoot stuff
and drawing Bigfoot all the time. And it's just funny.
I mean, she doesn't really care. She just kind of
bust my chops about it. Yeah. But we're going up this,
uh this, to the top of this ridge and we
hear that and she says, what is that? And you know,
I go, I'm not going to say it. I think
I know what it is, but I'm not going to
say it. And she she just goes, bigfoot. Yeah, it
could be. I don't know, it might not be. Might
be just someone, you know, hitting a tree in the
middle of the forest. Yeah, could be. We keep going
and we hear it again in another direction, almost like
it's being answered, and she goes, this sounds just like
those videos you showed me where these things are, where
those bigfoots are tree knocking or whatever. I'm like, yeah,
it sure does, doesn't it. It's very loud. She's like yeah.
She's like, this is weird. And we get we start
going up. We get all way up to the top
and there's a little clearing. There's some big redwood tree
fall and my son was hungry, so he stopped and
sat on the redwood. He was climbing around. He had
a little snack like a cliff bar or something, and
we were just chilling and the dog was starting to
act up a little. She started to I mean, she
was just running around like crazy the whole time, like
having a blast, And all of a sudden, she's like
between my legs, just like staring up at me with
these like big eyes, like like what's wrong with you?
And we're sitting there and right at the next like
we're on this top clearing I would say, there's more
trees really thick, probably about I would say fifty just
fifty to seventy five yards away, like it started getting
like a lot thicker. And we started hearing something coming
walking heavily in that in that thick brush, and my
wife just looks at me, she's like what is that?
And I kind of got up, and my dog is
still between my legs, just like staring up at me,
like she wasn't even going toward it. I mean, usually
when she hears something in the woods, she's an Aussie
Shepherd Border Collie mix. She's a hurting dog. She sees
anything running through the woods, she just goes after it.
She doesn't want to heard it, she just wants to
go check it out, but she books it. I mean,
and their fast dogs. These dogs can run almost thirty
miles an hour. She was just between my legs and
just staring up at me, looking really scared. And I'm like,
all right, well, let's just head back down. Let's just
head back down the other way. And my wife's like, yeah, yeah,
let's just get out of here. So we all get
up and we start, you know, grabbing my son and
you know, putting the leash on the dog, and we're
about to head down the way we came pretty much,
and me and my wife, all of us and my son,
we all heard this perfect oop, loud, you know, loud,
deep guttural whoop, followed by what sounded like a gorilla grunting.
It was just like a like that, like one of
one to three, I don't know what it was a
couple maybe two grumps after and we're like we just
I saw my wife's face. She looked at me and
she's like, what was that? And I said it again.
I'm like, you know, if I tell you probably make
fun of me. But there's only one thing that makes
that noise out here. And it's not a bear, and
it's not a coyote. It's not a mountain lion, and
she's like, all right, whatever, let's just go. So we're
heading down kind of with a quick pace, and I
see her eyes think she's like starting to come to
the realization that maybe I all the stuff I tell
her and show her might not be so far fetched
after all. And we're walking down this very steep I mean,
we're kind of sliding on our butts part of the
way on the way down. It was, it was really
really steep. And we're walking and then we just start
hearing this kind of moaning, really weird moaning sounds like uh.
She's like, what is that? And that's I'm just like,
I don't know, I have no idea. It's very creepy.
Just keep walking slowly, don't run, just keep walking. We'll
just kind of exit slowly, and you know, everyone stay
together and you know, keep your head on a swivel.
So we're just walking and then all of a sudden,
this little piece of quartz, like a milky quartz. I
think it was probably about the size of a marble,
not shaped like a marble. It's you know, very raw,
just comes slying and just hits this redwood tree like
right by my head and thumbs on to the ground,
and I just looked down and I'm like, what the
heck is that? How did this? Like well, something just
threw this at us. So let's just let's just let's
just keep going. Let's just keep getting out of here,
all right, Whatever this is does not one us here.
I picked the thing up, I kept that little piece
of quartz, put it in my pocket. We just kept walking,
and then we all kind of stopped and heard it
sounded like a baby crying. And then that sound got
very swiftly muted, almost like something like covered the mouth
of a baby.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: If babies just starts wailing, and then all of a
sudden they say, eh, you know, just complete silence after that.
Speaker 2: And this is all middle of the day of broad daylight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, afternoon probably, like I would say, at this Turin
it was twenty maybe three o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking around for people. I'm like, you know,
are these Is there someone else out of here? There's
no other person in that whole area. There was not
one person. I mean it's a pretty isolated, hidden area.
I don't think many people go back there. I mean,
I'm constantly looking for footprints and doing some mild tracking
and stuff. I didn't see any and you know, usually
see hiking boot tracks everywhere. There was no tracks anywhere back.
Speaker 2: There, trash something.
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing. There's no sign of any people at all.
But yeah, the baby noise was very creepy being covered
by that hand. And then we finally got to the
bottom area and that's around the area where I like
where that baby sound came from. So I'm looking around,
I'm just trying to like investigate a bit, and just
you know, I'm snapping hundreds of pictures of course, and
we're down at the bottom and you could see like
the kind of just kind of cut out where like
that leads to our car eventually, so we kind of
felt a little safer down there, so we kind of
My son wanted to play in the woods a bit.
It was like, you know, grabbing big sticks and smacking
them against trees. And I found some shelf mushrooms that
were really cool. I was, you know, like I said,
into my college. I'm still into my college, so I'm
like taking pictures of mushrooms and stuff. I was actually
drumming on these these shelf mushrooms like Jim Carrey did
in pet detective too. Yeah, I'm like playing like wipe
out on these like shelf mushrooms, and my son's smacking
sticks against trees and stuff and not in not for
a reason. He was just having fun. And then we're
making all this noise down there, and in the distance
I hear it sounded like a loud scream, but like
very far away that kind of not scream, more like
like a like a like a siren, you know, but
very far away. It sounded like like almost like that
Ohio Howell kind of sounds to it, which was pretty cool.
I was like, wow, that and we all heard it.
My wife is like, you know what, I don't think
we're gonna be taking our son here hiking anymore. And
it is a little too much for me. For a
brief second, I think she believed in big foot. Yeah,
either way, we taking videos of my son. He's uh,
this is where I got really creepy taking a video
and then my son's in this in the video. I'm like,
his name, you know, I'm just I don't want to
say his name, but I'm like, everybody, you know, what
are you doing? And he's got my wife's phone and
he's like about to have a little temper tantrum because
he can't get the camera to switch to selfie mode.
And it's super cute. I mean, he's four years old
and he's like starts freaking out about this phone. And
then I'm just videotaping him and I'm like, all right, well,
this isn't a good video. You're you're starting to act up,
and I just turned the video off and then you know,
we calm him down, leave, we get back to the
cabin whatever. I'm going through my pictures and this and that,
and that's when I started finding some very odd findings
in my pictures, especially when he started freaking out about
the phone. There was this these two trees in the
background that kind of went down into a V. It
was like the opening came down into a V between
these two trees the way they were angled, and right
in the bottom of that V. Well, he's freaking out.
You can see this head moving behind trying to get
a good look at him, and it it's it's literally
you could see it like moving to try to get
it like just to really lock onto him, and it's
really creepy. I'm like looking at this thing, like what
is that so I started zooming in and taking you know,
screenshot after screenshot, trying to capture like just some image
of what this thing could be. And yeah, it was.
It was. It had eyes, it had a it was.
It looked to me like it was a Saslutch nose eyes.
You can see part of its upper teeth coming out,
almost like it had its head tilted back, but was
like trying to look forward at the same time, trying
to like just really remain hidden. I'm going through my
pictures and right where I heard that baby cry, I
have a picture that can only be described as an
infant space with grace gain. You could see the eyes,
the nose, it's a it's a it's a it's a
face in a bush. And I'm looking at this thing
and I'm zooming around and I'm looking through this this
foliage and you can see also it's being held by
a mother. Something else is there. And it is not
in full you know, it's not in It's very fated looking.
It almost looks like it's you know, not translucent. I
don't know, it's just foggy. But you can make out
the eye, the cheek bone, you can make out the
part of the nose and make out the shape of
the head. You could even see some some hair, and
it was looking right at my son as well. The
eyes were If you look at the picture, the eyes
are pointed. You could see the pupil pointed right at
my son, which I started noticing a lot more after
I saw that. I started looking at all the pictures
of my son that I took in the in the
redwoods back there, and there were a few pictures where
you can see some creatures and the eyes would be
directed right at him like they were very interested in him.
And it seemed like anytime I took him out in
that area, these things would come around us like a
lot closer than usual.
Speaker 2: How far away are they?
Speaker 1: I mean, this thing was had to have been less
than twenty feet away, maybe twenty five twenty to twenty
five feet away in that area. It's hard to judge
through the picture, but it's close. It's very close. Yeah,
I just started noticing that up there. When I'm out there,
when I'm when i'm alone, I don't I don't feel
like that kind of that fear. But when when I'm
with my son out there and these things are looking
at him, it's kind of kind of gives me a
a little anxiety. You know, I don't know what their
interest is with them. You hear, you hear some stories
where you know, I mean there's a full spectrum of stories.
You hear stories where they help people, you hear stories
where they take people. You know, you know, it's it's
just hard to judge something that is so unknown. So yeah,
I kind of feel a little nervous about taking them
out there, at least really deep, deep out there anymore.
Like if we go now, I kind of stick to
like more well traveled trails when I'm with him, and
you know, I have my I mean, I am on
high alert the whole time. I do not let him
run ahead. I'm like, I'm very strict when it comes
to being out there. Now. My wife actually makes fun
of me, said, wow, you're so strict. Just let them say,
you know what, I'm not going to let him run
ahead of us, Like, if he's fifty feet ahead of us,
that's enough time for anything to grab him. I mean,
he weighs forty pounds, soaking wet. I mean, you know,
it's not that hard to carry a forty pound kid
off into the woods. So throughout very very strict when
it comes to, you know, being out there with him anymore.
Speaker 2: And so what do you think is going on with
these things? Like you talk about that one picture of
the infant and the I guess mother not being fully solid.
What do you think's going on?
Speaker 1: Well, I've gone through like the whole roller coaster of
ideas about this, and just I like to read as
much as I can about this. In particular, I think
that these things have developed some really unique abilities, just
like a lot of other animals on this planet have,
even as simple as a polar bear. Like a polar bear,
its hair is completely see through. It's clear, it's not white,
it's completely see through. It has black skin, and the
way the hair itself is shaped between that and the
black skin and its surroundings, it picks up its surroundings.
That's that's an adapt and that's how it adapts. That's
how it hides from baby seals. It can sneak up
on anything. It could remain almost completely unseen on the
on the ice and in this and in the snow.
I think maybe these things might have, you know, adapted
something similar. You know, you hear all this, you know,
lack of a modulla talk all the time, you know,
Meldrum talks about it all the time. How all the
hair samples he gets have the lack of modulla, which
is the central core of a hair follicle. You know,
if that's the case, then could these things possibly soak
up texture and color of its surroundings and just kind
of blend in a little easier and their skin is complete.
I mean, from what I've seen, the skin looks completely
like battleship gray, which just blends into anything. If you
have that gray skin and then hair that can literally
the way it's shaped. I mean, you think of like
these cloaking mechanisms that the military develops. What if the
hair can actually do that? What if can it bend
light like a prism and just bend light around it
to never behind it? You know, it shows that texture.
I have no idea. That's kind of where I'm what
I'm thinking. Yeah, I always try to come up with
like a scientific explanation for this stuff, or you know,
you can't half the time. I mean, then you start
talking about these balls of light that are seen with
these things, and then all of a sudden everything gets
thrown down the two I'm like all right, Well, I
have no explanation for that, right.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen any orbs?
Speaker 1: Not personally? No. I my Actually I bring this up
to my father all the time. I talk to him
about this all the time. He's pretty open minded to it.
He's very intrigued by the folk and stuff. And he
was telling me that he was driving through I think
it was Arizona back when he was a teenager, and
through like a heavily forested area and uh, he said
he had a ball of light follow his car. He
was driving down the street. It was like really late
early in the morning kind of time, midnight one in
the morning kind of time. And he said a ball
of light was traveling through the woods and came up
to the passenger side window of his car and was
keeping pace with him down the road, ended up moving
in front of the car and was still keeping pace
with him, and then just darted off into the woods
and he saw he saw it moving through the trees. Yeah.
And my dad is the type of dude to even
talk about any of this kind of stuff. He's very like,
you know, put together. He doesn't really For him to
tell me that was incredible in my opinion, I mean
just to hear him admit that. To me, I was like, Wow,
that's that means something coming from him, because he's not
the kind of guy that like want to even talk
about that kind of stuff. He gets kind of he's
very reserved. I guess, you know.
Speaker 2: I've heard very similar stories about glowing balls of light
behaving that way around vehicles.
Speaker 1: M h. He said it looked like it had intelligence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's probably like the third time I've heard that.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty interesting. I personally have I grow up.
I mean, nowadays I'm out there at least twice a
week broby eight hours each time. I go pretty deep
into the wilderness all the time. I've still not seen
one of these things, you know. Oh yeah, that's another
strange thing that you know occurs with these things, And
it's kind of hard to think of anything scientific, you know,
when it comes to the relationship of the balls of
light and a sasquatch. You know, you could scientifically, you
could even scientifically describe like the glowing red eyes. I mean,
I don't know where I just heard this, but someone
was talking about this fish called the dragonfish that's a
deep sea fish, and the fish developed the ability to
give out a red light through its eyes and see
in infrared in the deep sea where it's completely black.
So I'm thinking, if a fish can develop something that
puts out a red light so that it can see
an infrared, who's to say that a land mammal that
you know, has to live mostly nocturnally because of human
encroachment didn't over time develop the ability to see an
infrared at night. Because you talk about you hear these
stories about hunters, and hunters go out. I mean they
start walking out to their tree stands at what three
in the morning sometimes, Yeah, three in the morning. Yeah,
you're going out there early. You want to get up
before you know, you want to get out there before
the sun comes up. And these people are avid outdoorsmen.
These people are all seeing the same thing, and they're
describing it not as eye shine. We've all seen eye shine.
If they're describing this, these eyes to have a glow
to them, like they're putting out their own light, who's
to say that these things can't see in infrared. There
was a guy who was just talking about how he
saw the eyes go from completely red to amber, to
yellow to a greenish tint and then almost to a
light blue, all within a couple minutes the same creature.
I've taken pictures where I've seen these things. They have fun.
It's crazy, like I'll see, I'll take a whole bunch
of pictures of the same spot and if there's a
creature in it. I've taken a couple where you see
the complete eye, you see the the pupil, you almost
see like the actual color of the eye. It's almost
like a like a beige color where our color would be,
you know, around the surrounding the pupil. And then in
another picture it almost looks like it's crazy to explain,
but it almost looks like a film over the eye
that changes the color completely into like this amber color.
You know how certain animals have like a protective like
an like an under eyelid. It almost looks like it
has an under eyelid, like a protective layer or something.
That's how That's the only way I can explain how
it looks. It's very interesting though, and I've noticed that
a couple of times with with photos of these things.
Speaker 2: I think if I remember correctly, and I'm sure if
somebody's listen and knows, they'll correct me. If I'm wrong,
but I think humans used to have like a secondary
eyelid like that that we evolved away from. It wouldn't
surprise me at all if these things had, you know,
specialized eyes that have evolved into something, you know, to
help it survive. Nature will find a way, you know, totally.
Speaker 1: And if you think about, like how this creature must
have changed over time, I mean before humans were here,
you know, like how we are now. I mean in
this you know, the way we build cities now, and
you know there's you know, we just take over everything
and these things literally at one point of time, these
things were able to come out during the day, you know,
you know when when Native Americans we're here living here,
you know, before the white man came, these things. I
mean there's stories, there's there's Native stories where these things
would you know, trade with with natives and they spoke
the same, you know, similar languages. They were able to
communicate with each other and all this stuff, and you know,
during that time, these things were probably able to come
out during the day a lot more and they didn't
have to worry about hiding so much. Now. I mean,
when you think about some of these areas where these
these things lived. I mean you think like you think
these things live in like the most remote areas of
the world. They probably do. They do, but they also
live right in urban areas too. I mean, there's a
there's that video of one going through a dumpster at
like a wal Mart or something, you know. I mean,
these things are living pretty close to people. They have
to hide. They know how dangerous he thems are. Over time,
they must have adapted some sort of skills, biological skills
to help them, you know, navigate at night. I don't know.
I also have another theory. I don't know how valid
this is or sounds, but I've been noticing I hear
a lot of clicking, especially where I am in southern California.
And you wouldn't think that these things are in southern California,
But believe me when I tell you, these things are
out here in southern California in these mountains. I have
a lot of experiences with with these things out here,
and I hear these teeth clicks all the time like that,
and I hear click like like that kind of finger
popping sounds a lot, and I'm always wondering, like what
these sounds mean, and I'm always doing research and trying
to figure out what anything could be. And a couple
of weeks ago I started doing some research and I
don't know how I got to this, to this rabbit hole,
but there was a guy who was blinded as a child.
He couldn't see anything, and he literally a human being
developed a way to echo locate using clicks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've seen that guy.
Speaker 1: And he's not the only one. He was the first
one recorded to do this, but there's been more since then.
So I'm thinking, if humans lost their vision and can
develop a sense of echolocation using clicks, then could these
things use those clicks to echo locate at night? And
if that's the case, they would know where I mean,
you know where everything is. I mean they can if
you can echo locate and you could see infrared, I mean,
come on, I mean, you're like, it would give them
such insane abilities to just be able to navigate through
those areas at night. I mean, and I cannot come
up with another explanation of how they can move silently
through a pitch black forest at nighttime, completely stealthy like that. Yeah,
so that was just another theory I had. I don't
know how valid that is or anything. It could just
sound like a big idiot, but no, not at all.
Speaker 2: It got me thinking about the tree knocks actually, and
maybe that's just like a big man. Yeah, A lot
of times the tree knocking seems to be a stated
with people, you know, entering an area. So if they
were using the tree knocks for some sort of you know,
echo location mapping to find out where the humans in
the area were exactly or something.
Speaker 1: And I get you know, out here in southern California,
I also hear lots of rock clacking, lots of it.
You just hear the rocks being very rapidly hit together,
really quickly in these pulses that I don't know if
that has anything to do with it too, but I
mean it could be using those as well to to
navigate or just to see who's around, see what's around. Yeah,
it's it's incredible. I was traveling to northern California all
the time and thinking I had to travel all the
way up there until someone told me about this spot
out here, a buddy at work. Actually we're just you know,
talking about you know, the forest. I just love being
in the forest. I feel very comfortable in a home
in the forest. I love doing bushcraft, and you know,
we're just talking about this, and I'm like telling them,
the worst part about living in southern California is there's
no forests. All the hikes out here are canyons and desert,
and you know, it's beautiful, but it's not. It doesn't
give me that satisfaction. I just love being surrounded by trees.
So then he told me, oh, well, there is a spot.
It's in the Cleveland National Forest. It's less than an
hour from I live in San Diego. It's less than
an hour from here. You could drive there in fifty
two minutes and you could be right in the middle
of the forest. And the whole time, I mean, I've
had lived out here for over a decade, had no
idea it was there. And not only does he tell
me about it, but he also has a best friend
who owns the cabin out there, and she's never there.
She lives in la and the cabin is basically just
kind of like her. She goes there twice a year maybe,
and it just you know, it fits, and she lets
him go up whenever he wants. So we started going
up to that cabin a lot and it was very,
very very secluded. I mean my car couldn't even make
it down the road to get to the cabin. The
road is just a dirt cut out in the middle
of the woods that goes for a few miles in.
I mean it is very hilly lots. I mean you
need a four wheel, you need a g or something
to get back there. I have a a Nissan road
that think that think cannot make it back there. I
mean it's pretty rugg it back there. So, yeah, we
would we would go out to the cabin and you know,
you know, I'd bring throwing axes and we'd be out
there in the back, you know, throwing axes and knives
and all kinds of stuff, just you know, hanging out
and going on hikes during the day and this and that. Well,
when we were going back to the cabin for the
first time, we went the wrong way. He couldn't remember
the road. There was a there's like a few cutouts,
and it's really it's kind of hard to find. So
we went down the wrong road. It eventually led to
the cabin. But we're going down this road and there's
this sign back there that the Cleveland National Forest UH
Rangers put up. It was like this official Cleveland National
Forest bulletin that was back there, and there was a
probably not it that said bigfoot creatures have been seen
out here. Please stay on mark trails at all times.
And I thought, what the hell, like is this is
this forest actually recognizing these things and just you know
warning people. It was. It was cool to see. I
was like, holy crap, Like I'm like, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean I've seen, like, you know, people post them
on the internet and stuff, but I've never heard of
one actually in a forest.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was there and it was official from them,
So yeah, I was like, wow, if these things are
out here. I found out that night that they are
out there. We we went out with a few. We
brought a few people from work. It was kind of
like a boy's night out. You know. We all got
back there. You know, someone brought like a nine millimeter.
We were gonna go out into the Onzebrego and shoot
it the next day in some like blm Land, so
you know, like five six of us. I'm a chef,
so I also I made like a whole bunch of
Jamaican food. I made like this big giant curry and
all these Johnny cakes and all kinds of cool Jamaican food.
It was so good. And we just kind of hung
out back and ate a bunch of food, and we
were drinking some beers, and we were saving the beer
cans to shoot the next day. We're gonna set them
up in the desert and just you know, and shoot them.
We're all chilling. At the end of the night, we
all start going in and cleaning up outside, and I
noticed one of the dudes was scraping his bowl of
food into the bag with the cans, and I'm like, dude,
we're gonna s hit those cans tomorrow while you're putting
while you pick and covering them in food. He's like,
oh shoot, sorry, oh man. I'm like whatever, we'll just
think we'll just clean it up tomorrow. We'll just dig
around him. So I didn't think anything of it. The
bag was left on the back porch. We all go in.
The cabin has two bedrooms. You have to go through
one bedroom to get to the second bedroom. That's kind
of the layout. I took the far bedroom on the
back wall of the cabin. My buddy who scraped the
food into the bag, took the second bedroom. And then
the guy who my buddy, who you know, is best
friends with the lady who owns the cabin. He likes
to stay on the big giant couch out in the
living room, and they had this big kind of faux
fur thick carpet, and then one dude like slept on
the carpet. It was just like a whole bunch of
us just kind of a bed in there. And I
would say around three point thirty in the morning, I
got woken up by the exact same screen that I
heard out in the Pine bearings when I was a kid.
That sounded like a woman being murdered outside. That actually
was so loud that you could hear the glass in
the windows shaking. It was loud, and that woke me up,
and I was sitting straight up, and I'm like, what
the hell is that. I'm just like sitting there staring.
There's the whole room, like right where the bed is
is surrounded by windows. So I'm in the bed, just
surfounded by windows, and they have curtains down, and I
just I'm sitting there staring and I see movement like
something's walking, and then I start hearing footsteps outside the window,
and this windows two feet from my head. I'm just like,
oh great, something's out there. And then I hear something
step up onto the porch, and I hear that bag,
and I hear the cans shaking, and I hear like
big deep sniffs, and then I hear more cans shaking,
and then the cant the bag of cans drops, and
then it just sounds like something full speed just sprinted
off the porch. That kept me up for the rest
of the night. Yeah, in the morning, I'm like sitting
there like like, holy crap. Like I didn't I didn't
even want to say anything in the morning. I was
just like, wonder if anyone else heard this. I'm not
gonna say anything about this. I'm gonna wait as soon
as I come out in the morning. And my buddy's
my buddy, the one who scraped the food into the
thing into the bag. He's like, did you guys hear
that last night? That screen? He was the other one
in the bedroom. He he was freaked out by it.
He's like something he explained exactly what I just explained.
Some Both me and him were just sitting up like
what the hell. The other two dudes were in the
living room. They didn't they I mean I think they.
I don't really drink, so I was. I was pretty sober.
I drank like a beer, maybe so did my buddy.
But the two of them were, the two guys in
the living room were like partying it up, so they
were like they were self passed out. They didn't hear anything.
I saw a look in my buddy's face, and yeah,
he he was terrified. He definitely heard something he had
never heard before. He grew up out in out in
like a forested area too, so he was he was,
He was like, I've never heard that sound in the
woods before. Like yeah, like I said, it sounded just
like that scream. So I started going there twice a
week ever since that first time in the cabin, and
just it's right along the Pacific Crest Trail. The Pacific
Crest Trail, I believe, starts in Mexico if I'm not mistaken,
and it goes all the way up through southern like
San Diego County southeast up into the mountains, and right
where that cabin is is probably like a mile from
where that Pacific Crest Trail where you can get it.
Access to that trail so I'm over there all the time.
I go all different directions all the time. I have
found very deep, large footprints. I've heard the rock clacking.
I've gotten some incredible photos. These things all around me
grouped up into what I've been calling just pile ups.
I've noticed that they like to pile up on each
other and cover each other's faces with their arms, and
they huddle up into the darkest shadows of trees and
rocks and get really low to the grounds. And it's incredible.
Some of these photos you can see, like we can
see like six seven of them just piled up. You
could see little ones. I got a photo one time.
My dad and my stepmother came out to visit, and
they wanted to do a cool hike, and I brought
them up there. My son came with us. We were
all hiking, and I mean we didn't even go deep
off trail. We were pretty much sticking onto the trails.
If we did go off trail, it was just you know,
maybe like a couple hundred yards in the most and
then we'd come, you know, make our way back the
same way we came. Yeah, you know, I don't know.
I had my son with me, so he you know,
I don't want to really you go deep off grid
with him. But we're up there, and is it Me
and my son one of us banged a stick against
the tree really loud. The video was fine.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 1: I think I smacked a giant stick against the tree
just for just messing around, really And that was answered
with a can't describe it. It was. It wasn't very audible,
but you can feel it. It sounded like this, like
like like kind of noise, but it was more penetrating us,
like it was more like it felt like almost like
like like a bomb went off somewhere, like nearby, or
like something exploded nearby, like that feeling of just just
right through our bodies. And we all just stopped in
our tracks. And my son's like, what was that? You know?
My dad's like, yeah, what was that? I'm like, you
know what, I don't know what that was, but I've
never heard it up here. Maybe we should probably turn
around and start heading out. I didn't. It didn't feel normal,
didn't feel comfortable. And during that time I started taking
a bunch of pictures and that's when I got one
of the craziest pictures I've ever seen. Of this little
infant that barely had any hair on him, he was
all gray, on the shoulder of another one who was
looked very neanderthal like, very caveman like. And he's on
the shoulder of that one. And then right underneath them,
peeking up is another one. It's a very small one,
probably about the size of my son, who was five
at the time, just a few feet tall, peeking out.
And then right to the left of them was the
right side profile of a face that was, I mean
so detailed. You can see the eyes, the ear, you
can see its hairline, you can see its kind of
orangey brown hair going into the black. You can see
his hand covering his face, all his fingers, the wrinkles
in the knuckle, the fingernails, you can see everything. There
was a whole group of them right there, probably about
twenty five thirty yards from us, and I think that
noise was a warning that we were getting too close,
because there was a lot of young ones right there.
You have all these, yeah, I've got all these. I've
got multiple albums in my phone, and each album has
an incredible amount of photos of these creatures from that area.
I have different I have all albums from different areas,
all labeled the timestamped. Everything I keep, I keep a
I keep it pretty. Uh what's organized?
Speaker 2: You sent me h several different photos and there is
definitely some in them that were very interesting. Uh where
you can clearly see, you know, what looks like a bigfoot.
Do you have these photos posted on like your Instagram
you were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah. Yeah, I post everything on there. I
you know, I try to get feedback from other researchers.
I it's it's a great little outlet for me. I've
made a lot of good friends from from from on there.
It's great to to you know, bounce ideas back and
forth with a lot of these other up and coming
kind of researchers in different areas of of the of
the world. I've I've got friends out in Australia that
are out in North Queensland that are you know, finding
the same stuff. We're finding tree structures and noises and
you know the same sort of photos of these blurry
yahwi's or whatever. You know. It's incredible, But yeah, everything's posted.
Speaker 2: There's just a lot of people, you know. That's one
of the main things I get feedback on is Whenever
somebody comes on the podcast and they talk about photos
or videos, everybody starts asking where they can see them.
And a lot of times some of the material that's
discussed on the podcast isn't available publicly. So this is good.
People can actually go and check out what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, please do I mean, I have I have,
there's over there's probably a damn near four hundred something
pictures of these things that I've posted. It's incredible I've
even had Now I've gotten so good at finding them
and I've gone through all these phases where now I
mean just it was just a week ago when I
was sick, I was in bed, and I've gotten a
lot more skilled at going through these pictures and finding
these creatures than I was a few years ago. Like
the more you do it, the better you get. You
know what to look for. You start learning these creatures abilities,
and you know how to you come up with ways
of trying to find them. Like a lot of pictures
I don't see. I'll see just a little hint of
something where I think it might be some you know,
a creature, and then you go in there and you
zoom in and you adjust the exposure a little bit,
and you adjust the contrast a little bit, and all
of a sudden, these things start popping out like details.
I'm not talking like paradolia. I'm talking detail like eyeballs, nose, mouth, jawline, everything, hair, ears,
You could see the perfect human ear. You know, is
it's incredible. You know, you get a lot of those,
a lot of people that don't really understand the abilities
these creatures have. They try to they try to tell
you everything's paradolia, everything's a tree, everything's a rock. But
once you really understand how these creatures are and how
they're able to camouflage, you start learning these different tricks
and stuff. And yeah, I have people sending me pictures
all the time and they're like do you see anything
in this? And yeah, I'll I will scrub the picture,
I'll go through it and do all the tricks I have,
And a lot of times I find them and send them,
send these people back these photos of these creatures that
they that were right next to them. They had no idea.
So now it's then becoming a thing. I'm getting like,
I'm getting sent loads of pictures all the time, like hey,
can you go through this for me. You know, I
have a buddy who's out in Oregon who I met
just through my page and he's he's on the coast
of Oregon in this beautiful rainforest and he's constantly, constantly
taken him he's out there every day. Back his name's
Backwoods Bigfoot on Instagram. If anyone wants to check his
stuff out, and yeah, he'll send me some videos or
he'll even just post, you know, stories, and I'll take
screenshots to some of his videos and some of the
creatures that I have gotten that I have found, and
some of his pictures are absolutely incredible, incredible. I mean
I just found one about two weeks ago in one
of his pictures that was the full side of a large,
large sasquatches. You could see his arm, his biceps, I mean,
his hand is grasping something. I don't know what it's grasping,
but you can see his thumb and you could see
his knuckles and wear his hair meets the wrist and
kind of turns into like that gray skin his face
it is, I mean, it looks like King Kong. This thing. Wow,
the arm is about as wide as I am round.
I'm a big dude. I'm six three two fifty. This
thing is as big as my torso where his bicep is.
I mean, the power, the hands, The hands are so huge,
the fingers are so thick. I mean, the fingers look
about as thick as my son's fricking arm, like six
year old kid's arm. I mean, I mean, these things
are huge and they are able to hide. I mean
this photo I have that he took. If you look
at the photo, the whole photo, before you zoom in,
it looks just like a beautiful rainforest. You just see
trees and you see the ferns and the plants. And
then I start zooming in for people and pointing things out,
and they're like, holy crap. I mean, talk about hiding
literally in plain sight. I mean, the way these things
can use that ability to I hate the word cloaking.
I don't like using that word cloaking, but there's there's
really no other word that is used for this ability yet.
You know, but the way they're able to soak up
the background noise is incredible, and they just disappear. You
could just barely see the outline. It's almost like The Predator,
you know, yeah, the movie The Predator they just completely
just tone out and they are right there, right in
front of you. It's amazing. I've got a couple of
pictures from northern California where I have one huge one.
I mean, this thing must have been I mean I'm
talking twelve feet tall. The hands on this thing or
the size of my head, the fists. Also the arms,
like like I said, some of these arms are almost
i mean they've got to be almost forty inches around.
That's how big these things are. I mean, it's incredible
the size. And then you think about how silent they
are and how's it's just mind blowing. You know.
Speaker 2: One last time, what's the name of your Instagram channel.
Speaker 1: It's called Sasquatch Underscore Reanimated. I have all the photos
up there, you know, and I tell people, hey, if
you had an encounter, hit me up and I will
for free illustrate your encounter in my style and post
it and I'll post the story. I've done it a
few times now. It's kind of just starting to pick
up more. But yeah, people, it's hard to get people
to come forward with their stories.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll do that, man, I want, I want.
I'm down to work with you and see uh illustrating. Yeah,
that would be great.
Speaker 1: I would I would love to. Yeah, I would love to.
I love doing it. And you know, I have a
lot of people that are like, why aren't you charging
for this? And I'm not trying to. I'm not you know,
I'm not really trying to be one of those people
that's going to like capitalize off other people's encounters. I
want it to be genuine and I draw anyway. I'm
constantly drawing, so it's like, Okay, come on, give me
some cool ideas. You know, I'm basically doing it just
for the cool idea and a cool experience, and you know,
it's fun to bring someone's encounter to life for them
that they they can keep forever. And you know, I
also have like an online store which I will usually
post those pieces of art and then you know, other
people can can buy shirts of it and hats and
all kinds of cool stuff if they want. And yeah,
and I usually just, uh, I'll send whoever whoever gave
me the encounter, I will send them a print of
the art in the mail. Yeah, it's been pretty fun
doing that just kind of brings the community together, and
you know, that's what we need more of. I feel
like we need more of just like a open mindedness,
and everyone's got to just, you know, hear each other
out a little more, you know, because I feel like
there's a lot of big egos in this field, and
there's a lot of there's a little bit too much
negativity sometimes, and I'm just like, I'm just trying to
be a positive outlet where someone can open up and
not have to worry about feeling like, you know, they're
gonna get judged or anything. You know, I've heard some
crazy stories. I mean, I heard a story where an
army this army guy was telling me that his friend
traveled through an orb to another world after getting poked
with tree fall through his stomach. And you know, some
of these stories are incredibly bizarre and out there, but
you really can't with the subject. You cannot discredit people.
You cannot You have to hear everyone out, you know,
And That's what.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do. I'm trying to give people the
opportunity to do that. Man, and your story, your story
is one of the best ones I've ever heard, hands down.
I mean, the stuff that you went through as a
teenager was absolutely terrifying. You know, and there's a lot
of behavioral characteristics that you mentioned that you know, are
kind of talked about around campfires amongst researchers. The hyena laughing,
for instance, the spider crawling and all those things. Man,
So I really do appreciate you reaching out to me
and setting this up and coming on here and sharing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a blast.
Speaker 2: And if you'd like to share your story about a
bigfoot encounter or running with something else you can explain,
send me an email a Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
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