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Speaker 1: It was very late in the night, not quite morning yet.

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We were heading back to our camp. Both of us

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started feeling really uneasy. I felt like we weren't alone.

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We were heading toward that tree line where our tent was.

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That's when we both heard a very, very very loud scream.

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I felt it in my stomach, my bones. It was

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incredibly loud. It was high pitched, but at the same

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time you could also hear almost like a war. We

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started running full speed toward that tree line to get

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to our camp, and we're hearing what sounds like trees

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kind of falling. We're just terrified. We're just trying to

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get to our campsite. Our campsite is completely destroyed. There's

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trees on top of it, the fences down, the tent

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is crushed, there's trees fallen all over it. And we

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had no idea what could have done that.

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Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot cross Roads. My name's Matt and I'd

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like to welcome Phil to the show. Phil email me

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with a very interesting story and I can't wait to

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get into it. Phil, how are you.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm good. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Your story starts off pretty interesting, just kind of start

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us off at the beginning and walk us through it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. It starts off a long time ago,

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back before I knew anything about Bigfoot. I I think

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the only thing I had ever heard at that time

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about it was you know, Harry and the Henderson's, which

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you know, was just a funny little movie.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, I was as a kid, I uh,

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I kind of grew up in a in a crappy

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situation and decided when I was a teenager that I

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was going to run away and escaped kind of an

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abusive household. I went to New York City. At first,

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too many people though, there was. It was a lot

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going on. There was, you know, I was on the

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missing Person's list. It was. It was a little a

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little scary out there. After about a year or that,

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I decided that I would go into the remote wilderness

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and the pine barrens of New Jersey with a buddy

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of mine. So that's what we did. I had I

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had some outdoor skills. I was obsessed with kind of

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survival and bushcraft as a child. I was always trying

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to build stuff and I had this cool book. I

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think it was like the The Sas Survival Guide. I

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think the Altar was like John Wiseman, I think he

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was like this. He was the first, the youngest soldier

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to join the sas pretty cool guy. So I had

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that book and I read it over a few times

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as a child, and you know, when you're a teenager,

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after reading something like that, you think you're invincible out there.

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So yeah, me and my me and my buddy got

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together with another friend who lived really close to this

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really remote area in the pine barrens, and he kinda

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he kind of hooked us up and took us to

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the store to get some essentials. And yeah, we we

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headed out and picked up you know, some knives, some

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a tent, some other survival stuff and decided to go out.

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miles deep into the into the pine barrens off the

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off this like kind of like little side road, and

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he lived probably another mile from there, so it wasn't

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we were pretty remote, but we were also we could

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walk to his house if we if we left early enough,

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and we would do that every so often and you know,

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get some food, get a shower.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now you said you were a teenager, how old?

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Speaker 1: I was probably fourteen fifteen at the time. Oh wow,

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pretty young. Yeah, yeah, very young, immature.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, but you don't think that at

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the time. At the time, you know everything, and like

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you said, you're invincible.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, and you know, wasn't wasn't afraid of anything,

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you know, after a year living on the streets in

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New York City kind of yeah, you kind of don't

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fear much, I imagine. But yeah, we uh, we found

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we hiked into the woods. We we found this really

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cool area that was I don't know if you know

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about the Pine Barrens, but it's kind of sandy. In

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some parts of the Pine barrens, they have a lot

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of sands, and there was this one part that was

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like very sandy, had like this crazy white sand and

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these uh, I guess these BMX dudes like kind of

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dug out some ramps and stuff and ditches and dudes

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area in the middle of the woods kind of you

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could see everything. You could see for for a long distance,

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into it a bit, and it went down a bit

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and kind of flattened out, and we found this really

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cool little camp area that was really hidden, very thick

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all around it. You know, we were trying to avoid detection,

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which was our number one goal at that time. We

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did not want to end up in you know, protective

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services or anything like that. We had a healthy fear

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of that. So yeah, so we we found this little area,

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fire pit from that book I learned to you know,

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it teaches you how to avoid detection. So we we

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did kind of like the full I guess you would

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call it Dakota fire pit, where it feeds air from

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one side into into a hole and the fire kind

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of stays a little below below the ground so that

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you're not you know, you don't have like a giant

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bonfire in the middle of the woods. So we had

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to learn our surroundings a bit more. But ever since

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the first night. You know, there was weird. There was

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weird sounds that we weren't used to, and definite pretty creepy.

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around our camp at night, and we did not know

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what it was. We just kind of figured it with animals.

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them down, tied them together with some power cord and

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duct tape and whatever we could, stuck them into the ground,

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and built this pretty intricate perimeter fence around our whole camp,

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which also helped us remain a little more undetected. It

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was pretty camouflaged in there. We could barely see it

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if you were just walking around back there, so that

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made us feel a little more safe. But we would

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every night we'd hear walking all around our camps and

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it to me sounded like bipedal walking. So we thought

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maybe there could be some kind of you know, recluse

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type dude out there, maybe also living out there with us.

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Speaker 2: Did you see wildlife out there? Did you see deer

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and stuff?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, there was loads of deer, Yeah, loads and

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loads of deer, so many, I mean an insane amount

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of deer all the time. There was all kinds of

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different birds all the time, raccoons all the time, possums,

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you know, just like the small kind of critters. Yeah,

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mostly deer, but these did not sound like deer. When

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the deer would come through, you could tell, you could

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hear that they were there was four legs coming down,

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it was. It was very close to our our perimeter wall.

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all around all night, and then we started hearing like

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little noises here and there just kind of progressed as

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we were there. We would hear whistles that did not

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sound like birds because you could tell like there was

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like all these different kind of birds out there. It

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was have you ever heard of a whipparial? Yeah, yeah,

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that would be like the night sounds would be lots

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of those things. I'm not even gonna try to mimic

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that that sounds, but Yeah, it's a bird called a whipparill,

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and their sound actually sounds like whipparil. Yeah, you know

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to do you would hear that all night long, and

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it would just get all the birds would would stop,

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all the little critters would stop. It would get super quiet.

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Then the whistles started. We would hear like a whistle,

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then another whistle, you know, maybe fifty yards away.

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Speaker 2: How would you describe the whistle?

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Speaker 1: Very loud, kind of like you know, you know, like

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when you're a kid at like a baseball game or

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something and and you see like you see one of

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those dudes like stick his two fingers in his mouth

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and just go hard and just belt out a whistle,

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you know, one of those kind of Yeah, just a

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very loud, long whistle.

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Speaker 2: Was it like single tone?

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Speaker 1: There would usually be one to three. I'd notice it

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was always either one or three, okay, but very long

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and drawn out. Yeah. We did not know what to

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think about that. Literally, we we we thought it was

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like that, So yeah, it was terrifying, but we kind

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of just you know, paid no attention really after a

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Speaker 2: Is this something? Was it happening every single night pretty much?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at least something, you know, if it wasn't the whistles,

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it was just the footsteps or you know, and just

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started progressing, like we started getting things thrown at the

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into the campsite, pine cones, little little stones and acorns

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and stuff like over the fence, yes, yep, right onto

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the tent. Wow. Yeah. And you know, we'd look around

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outside there was no pine cones hanging over our tent.

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so that was pretty strange. Again, never bigfoot never came

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into our our thoughts. We were just kind of weirded up,

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like where are these coming from? It was a strange.

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were kind of just walking around foraging and stuff. We

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were just I had I had this book of plants

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and stuff I was trying to I was trying to

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identify some plants, and there was this kid on a

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on a dirt bike that was driving. I guess he

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had come from that sand pit area and he saw

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us and we saw him. We all we made eye

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contact and I'm like, oh, great, were spotted. But the kid, like,

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you know, he came over to us and asked us

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what we were doing, and we kind of told him.

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cool though he was. He's like, yeah, I won't tell

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on you guys. And then he told us, don't you

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know the mafia used to dumb bodies back here? And

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we're like, hmm, well, okay, that's weird. And then we

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start thinking, okay, the mafia used to dumb bodies back here?

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Is this what we're hearing at night? That we're hearing

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you know, some sort of paranormal stuff? So yeah, you know,

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we had that in our heads. That added a level

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of you know terror to the when the when the

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night came. Yeah, you know, it kept going on and

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on and on, and it was one night we uh,

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we went out with our buddy. We hung out with

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him for a little bit and it was it was

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really late. It was probably like it had to have

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time was. It was very late in the night, not

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quite morning yet. He dropped us off at the tree

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line and we were heading back to our camp, and

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both of us started feeling really uneasy, very nauseous, and

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kind of just not right, like kind of like felt

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like we weren't alone. And we had been talking about it.

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We were like, this doesn't feel right. We were just like, whatever,

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moon is out, the sand is almost kind of illuminating

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off the the moon is kind of illuminating the sand,

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so you could see pretty well. And we were heading

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toward that tree line where our tent was, and that's

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when we both heard a very very very loud scream

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like a woman being murdered, kind of like how everyone

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describes it, you know, yeah, rattles right through your body.

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I felt it in my stomach, my bones. It was.

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It was incredibly loud and high pitched, but there seemed

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to be like another tone with it was high pitched,

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but at the same time, you could also hear almost

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like a war at the at the exact same time.

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That was just deep and guttural. So we both heard

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that and stopped in our tracks. I feel like the

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only thing I can compare the feeling too was when

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I was at a Motorhead show and I was standing

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ten feet from Lemme's bassamp and he came out and

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started playing that song Overkill, and that bass from from

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that is like what I felt in that screen. That

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just completely just feel it through you from your head

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to your toes, inside and out. You know, we had

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no idea what that was. We started running full speed

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toward that tree line to get to our to our camp.

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So we get to the tree line and we're going

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through the really really sick brush to get to our

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camp and we're hearing what sounds like trees kind of falling.

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I'm like, I stopped. I'm like, doesn't it some like

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trees falling? I mean, well, the scream happened a couple

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more times before we got to our camp. So at

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this point we are like, we don't know what we're

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dealing with. We're just terrified. We're just trying to get

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to our campsite. We had all kinds of knives and

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stuff there. We were trying to get to them. And

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then I get a look at where our campsite is,

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and I stopped my buddy and I'm like, look, and

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our campsite is completely destroyed. There's trees on top of it,

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the the fence is down, the tent is crushed, there's

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trees falling all over it. We couldn't even we couldn't

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even get to it, and we had no idea what

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could have done that. So we just turned around and

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we just started booking it. Those screams got a lot louder,

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a lot closer. We started seeing like from the tree

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lined these trees shaking back and forth, and I'm like,

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what is shaking those trees? We jumped in this this

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kind of dugout hole that was kind of like a

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bowl that they would use for dirt biking, and we

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were just literally huddled in there trying to hide from

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whatever this this was. And we were just duck down

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in the sandpit, literally getting screened at. Every time we'd

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peek out, we'd see like there was at one point

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there was a tree that was out. We saw these

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this almost like a root ball getting smashed between these

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two trees and just dirt flying everywhere. It was just

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loud dumping. It was horrifying. We had no idea what

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could have been doing that. At that point, I asked

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my buddy if he thinks like someone slipped acid into

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our drink or something, because it was just it was

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so out of this world. It was just so it

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was you know, you can't describe it, especially when you

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have no concept of what you know these creatures are due.

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So we had no idea, Like, I had no other

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explanation than like, this is either paranormal or both of

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us are having the same exact acid trip because we

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got slipped acid. Like that's the only thing I could

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have could think of at the time. But we were

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only with a good friend of ours, So I mean,

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it's damn near impossible that that was it. But you know,

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we were just trying to come up with something that

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it could be. Yeah, so he's my buddy. My buddy

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starts hearing stuff in in his own head. I didn't

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have this. He started really freaking out that something was

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talking to him in his head, and that's when I

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was like, Yeah, this has to be some sort of

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LSD trip or something. You're hearing things in your head,

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you know, we peeked out. Trees were still shaking, we

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were still hearing things walking around, snapping branches. I had

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noticed that there was this there was this kind of

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dead tree down at the bottom of these sand pits,

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and I noticed that it looked like there was something

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in it, and I pointed it out to my buddy

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and we're just staring at this thing. It's just like

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this black silhouette. It looks like two arms holding a

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branch above it, hanging up and kind of squatted down

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on this really thick branch, low, like a low branch

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that was probably about five feet up off the ground,

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and it just looked like someone was holding a branch

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above its head and squatting down, Like what is that?

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It was all black silhouette, and I'm like, maybe it's

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just a tree. And my buddy's like, it looks like

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someone like hanging in that tree, and I'm like, yeah,

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it totally does. But dropped down onto the sands and

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got on all fours like looked like a like a spider.

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That's when I'm like, all right, that's something. I don't

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know what that is, you know, trying to make any

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sense of this was just like impossible at the time. Yeah,

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I would say, so shaping with fear. And we duck

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down back in that pit and we I mean, I'm

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telling you, my buddy was grabbing out of my arm

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so hard I had bruised it all over my arm.

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I mean, we were, we were, we were freaking scared,

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so in this pit and this thing is we it

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it starts that was what was screaming, because we heard

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the scream again from that area, and then we started

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hearing a laugh that almost sounded like a kind of

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like a spotted hyena. Yeah, but like more ape. Like

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I didn't even think ape at the time. I just

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was like, Okay, this is the worst trip ever. I

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don't know what that is. It didn't sound human. It

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sounded almost like it's so weird how it sounded almost

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like one of those like voice changing boxes, know that

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people use on interviews, like you know, former CIA agents

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or something. Would you know whistleblowers use those like weird

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kind of voice changers. Sounded like it was almost coming

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from one of those very inhuman, very nothing nothing we've heard,

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nothing we've ever known to exist, you know. So that's

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what we heard laughing around us, and the thing was

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running on all floors at really high speeds all around

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the sand pit. I'm sure the thing was watching us

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peeking out of that pit, and it would run by

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and kick loads of sand on us. We were just

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getting covered and we had sand in our eyes. It

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was every time it went by, you could hear the

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thuds of its hands and feet on the ground, just

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getting close and closer, and then all of a sudden,

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it would just be like, you know, I can't even

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tell you how much sand just kicking all over us.

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And it was, it was. It was pretty It was

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pretty creepy. We stayed in that pit literally until the

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sun came up. Hadn't all this happened? It was ours

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we were. We were stuck in there. We couldn't move.

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We both, uh, it's embarrassing to say, but at the time,

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we both we both pissed our pants in that pit.

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We were we were sitting in that pit, covered in sand, terrified,

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covered in pea like it. We were shaking. It just

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felt like so so out of this world. When that

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sun came up, we uh, we saw the sun started

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like coming over the horizon, it started getting a little lighter.

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I picked out I didn't see anything. We can still

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hear things moving through the tree line. I didn't see

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that thing running around anymore. I was like, dude, let's

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run for it. And we just I mean, we ran

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so fast. We just kept going. When we were running,

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we ran to the road and if you cross the road,

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there's another set of trees on the other side, and

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that eventually leads to some railroad tracks. Like, maybe we

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should just hit the railroad tracks and just start heading south.

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And my buddy's like, all right, so we start. We

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go running across the street into the next tree line.

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There was so bizarre. As we're running, we get to

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the tree line, we'll running through the trees, and I

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hear this car coming and the car skids to a

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stop and literally crashes off the road into the trees.

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I don't know what that was. I don't know what

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we I was like, dude, let's just keep going. You know,

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I'm not turning around. I'm not going back to see

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what that was. That car saw something. I don't know

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what that car saw, but whatever that thing is, it's

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still out here, and let's just go. We ran to

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those railroad tracks and we when we hit those tracks,

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we did about must have been about eighteen miles on

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those tracks that day. We went across the railroad bridge,

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we got into the town where we're from. It was

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it was crazy. We're on the railroad tracks, we're going

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and there's this road crossing coming up and we're kind

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of just trying to stay hidden because you know, we're

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both it's still on the missing person's list were you know,

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if any cops saw us, they probably would have stopped us.

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We looked crazy. I mean, I didn't mention we were

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Also we're street punks too, so we've got mohawks, we've

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got leather jackets with spikes. You know, we kind of

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stick out like sore thumbs. Plus we both peed ourselves

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and we were sitting covered in sand all night. We

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looked like a horrible mess. We're crossing the street and

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just so happens, an old friend was driving to go

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visit her mom and she sees us. She hadn't seen

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us in almost two years. At this point. There was

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rumors going around that we were dead. There was rumors

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that we ran away to California, so many different rumors.

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So she sees us and she's like, what the hell

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happened to you? Guys, she said, we look like like

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we saw ghosts. We were completely just white, just horrified,

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bug eyed, like we had been up all night, just terrified,

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snoke awful. You know. She gets us in her car,

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she's like, you guys, you guys can you guys can

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live with me? We're like what She literally took us in.

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After that day, we never went back to that campsite.

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I don't think I after that day went back into

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the woods, especially at night, and I had no idea.

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We still had no idea what happened. We still at

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the time were like, Okay, when we talked about it,

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it was like that must have been it must have

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been LSD or something or some sort of hallucinogenic and

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then we just couldn't figure out where that could have

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came from. But we had no other I had no

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knowledge of any of this. So I had for years.

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I mean, I went so long thinking that this could

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have just been some weird slip until about I think

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it was about twenty eleven, That is that when finding

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Bigfoot came out about twenty eleven, twenty ten, something like that.

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Yeah right there. Yeah, So it's funny I went from

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you know, not knowing anything. Then I see this commercial

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on TV. I'm sitting here with my wife, she was

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my girlfriend at the time. We had moved to California.

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We're sitting there watching TV one night. I'm in my twenties,

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and this commercial comes on for Finding Bigfoot, and you know,

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I see this thing come on and I think it

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was Matt Moneymaker. That's like, I think there's a squadch

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in these woods. And me and my wife started hysterically

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laughing making I'm making fun of it. You know, at

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the time, I thought it was hilarious. I'm like, do

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these people? Are these people for real? You know, I'm like,

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is this like a real thing? And so, you know,

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I would make fun of it, and you know, do

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that impression sometimes, like just joking around, you know. And

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I just kept seeing these commercials for the show, and

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I'm like, I just to watch it. This just looks

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too good, This looks kind of funny. I gotta watch this.

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And then I'm watching that show and things are just

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starting to click about my experience, you know, I'm like,

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all right, this is weird. And then I start doing

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my own research and I'm looking up stuff on YouTube,

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and then I start watching more videos and people are

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talking about these things walking around their campsite at night

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and circle and throwing pine cones. And that's when I'm like,

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I started shaking, Like I'm shaking right now just recounting this.

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I'm just like, oh my gosh, I wonder if that's

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what I was dealing with out there. And you know,

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I started listening to the earlier podcasts that were coming

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out and hearing encounters and watching everything and just trying

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to soak up as much knowledge as possible. I started

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buying books and you know, doing all kinds of research

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and kind of pinpointed it to that. So I did

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like kind of like a full circle there. I went

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from not knowing to making fun of the pretty much

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firmly delue. What happened to us that day was these

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creatures that we kind of imposed on. We came into

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their area where they lived. You know, we were making noise,

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we had you know, we were blasting punk rock from

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from you know, battery operated boom boxes and you know,

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knocking trees down, building stuff. You know, we were just

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in their area.

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Speaker 2: How long were you there at that time? Like in

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00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:28,720
that camp, there was.

476
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: A total of almost two years. I would say year

477
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:34,759
and a half.

478
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only did you go into their territory, but

479
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,160
then you didn't leave. You just stayed there.

480
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we set up shop. We stayed, and that's why

481
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,880
it progressively kind of got worse and worse. Yeah. Yeah,

482
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:55,119
So I slowly kind of made this realization that that

483
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,480
this is what I was dealing with, and that's what

484
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,160
that creature was, and then it would really feel the

485
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,000
deal was when I heard some it was it was

486
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,599
probably like a Fasquatch Chronicles episode where a hunter said

487
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,840
that he saw this thing get on all fours and

488
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,239
look like a spider. And when he said that, I like,

489
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,760
I almost almost like fell over. That's exactly what it

490
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,800
looked like, looked like a spider. The way it it's

491
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,039
its anatomy is it's it's not like if me and

492
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:29,519
you got on our hands and knees or on the ground.

493
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,639
It's a little different. It was just an inhuman way

494
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:38,599
of moving. It was very like fast rapid, Like I mean,

495
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,519
I'm talking like something that can do like a three

496
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,239
sixty on all fours and just stay really low to

497
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,400
the ground within like a second and just completely run

498
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,280
the opposite way and just disappear. I mean, this thing

499
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:59,800
had very, very very inhuman kind of movements. That was

500
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,880
That was my first encounter. That kind of gave me

501
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,719
the realization that these things are real and these things

502
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,440
are out there. At the same time, I thought, you know,

503
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,199
as mad as we made these these things that were

504
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:23,559
living out there, they never physically harmed us. They terrified us.

505
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:26,960
They never came into that you know, they never heard us,

506
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,719
they never grabbed us. They could have knocked a tree

507
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,039
over onto us if they wanted to while we were

508
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:37,039
sleeping in that tent. They never did that. And that

509
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:41,199
kind of got me, kind of got me over my

510
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,599
fear of being alone in the woods again. So, I mean,

511
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:52,639
from that time up until you know, twenty twelve ish,

512
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,679
I did not enjoy being in the woods at all.

513
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,119
I did not like it. I had PTSD from it.

514
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:07,480
It was it was just, you know, it was something

515
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,079
I did not do. I did not like it. I

516
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:12,679
had a friend who lived out in the woods, you

517
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,280
know a few years later, and I stayed at his

518
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,840
house a couple of times back in the day, and yeah,

519
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,800
I wouldn't I wouldn't even go out to smoke a

520
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,800
cigarette at nighttime out there. I had a healthy fear

521
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,599
of it. Yeah, did you.

522
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:28,079
Speaker 2: Ever talk to that friend that experienced it with you?

523
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:34,679
Speaker 1: I did. He's these days, he's uh, he's really I

524
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,559
don't know, he's not really uh in the healthiest state

525
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:42,559
of mind. I would say, yeah, I think he's still got,

526
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:49,360
you know, issues with either addiction or alcoholism. And I did.

527
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,519
I did contact him about it. I'd never brought up

528
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,400
bigfoot because I didn't, you know.

529
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you even bring that up?

530
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, after after almost twenty years in not talking, I'm like, hey.

531
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:04,679
Speaker 2: Remember that most terrifying night of our lives. I think

532
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:06,440
I've got it figured out. It's bigfoot.

533
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,679
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so I did bring it up. I did kinda.

534
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,360
I said, hey, remember that, you know, just like you said,

535
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,760
remember that terrifying night we had in the woods. And

536
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,800
he's like, and it sounds like I brought some stuff

537
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,559
up he did not want to talk about. Yeah, yeah,

538
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:30,880
yeah I do. He's like, that was horrible. I'm like yeah,

539
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,679
I'm like, yeah, we always thought, you know, we were tripping, right,

540
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,679
and like we must have gotten slipped something, right, isn't

541
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,519
that like kind of like the the story we came

542
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,159
up with about that. And he's like, yeah, yeah, you know,

543
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:48,880
the only person we saw that day was our other friend,

544
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,119
and he was kind of like a goody goodie boy,

545
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:55,199
like he wasn't the one to you know, any kind

546
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:59,159
of connections for any acid or anything. I'm like, you realize, like,

547
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,559
he's the only person so we saw, and we both

548
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,199
had the exact same experience, heard the same things, saw

549
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,599
the same thing, you know, a little strange. He's like, yeah,

550
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:15,719
I never thought of that. Like he's like, yeah, damn

551
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,360
near impossible that we would ever be slipped anything like yeah,

552
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,559
And I kind of left it at that for him

553
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:27,679
to ponder on. He's like, that's freaking weird man. Ever

554
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,800
since I brought that up to him, though, he will

555
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,800
not talk about it. I've tried to text him about it.

556
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,400
I've tried to kind of slowly, you know, feel him

557
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,079
out for it. Yeah, but yeah, he does not want to.

558
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,000
He does not want to talk about it. He kind

559
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,960
of yeah. I think I think that kind of affected

560
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:48,679
him a little too much too.

561
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 2: But that's what we do as humans. I Mean, if

562
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,800
a hunter experiences something out in the woods that they

563
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,639
don't really have an explanation for, they typically just write

564
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:00,239
it off as like, oh well, at my to have

565
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,760
been a bear or maybe you know, a hermit living

566
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,599
out there or something like that, and in your situation

567
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,280
at that age and everything and your life experiences that

568
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,800
you were going through and had gone through up to

569
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,639
that point, it kind of makes sense to me that

570
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,920
the first place you would kind of go is like, man,

571
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,079
we must be tripping, like somebody must have slipped us something.

572
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,639
You know, like nothing else is going to be on

573
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:29,360
your radar, and you're trying to You're trying to make

574
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,880
sense of that experience because not having knowledge of what

575
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,519
was going on is even more terrifying.

576
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah, yep, but yeah, you know that kind of

577
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,840
that whole thing and just realizing that these things are

578
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,280
out there just sparked this. Like, I mean, I have

579
00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:00,280
been doing insae amount of research. I'm also an artist.

580
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,239
I started drawing some of those experiences in my own

581
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:11,199
kind of unique style, and I started like a an

582
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:17,880
Instagram page called Sasquatch Reanimated kind of just started posting

583
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:21,719
art at first, and it kind of people started really

584
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,440
liking it, and it kind of blew up a bit.

585
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:27,199
And then I you know, I got the idea to

586
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:31,159
let people know like if if you have an encounter,

587
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,760
give me a call, shoot me a d M, and

588
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,760
I'll illustrate your encounter for you for free. I thought

589
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,000
that was pretty fun. So I've been doing that for

590
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:45,320
the past few years. And then I started having some

591
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,360
experiences of my own. I started going out in the

592
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,400
woods a lot more. I started, you know, I had

593
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,199
I didn't really have a fear of the woods like

594
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,920
I used to once I once I came to the

595
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,440
realization that these things did not hurt us. These things

596
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,760
we made, we pissed them off so much, and they

597
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,719
didn't They did not ever touch us or throw anything.

598
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,880
We never got hit by a rock. I mean, they

599
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,480
could have done so much damage to us. So I

600
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:22,079
kind of like got over that that fear and started

601
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:26,079
going out into the woods again and foraging again. And

602
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,559
I'm big into mycology. So, you know, we we have

603
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,920
a friend that lives up in the Redwoods. We drive

604
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,239
up there twice a year now. She lives in the

605
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,039
middle of the Redwoods. Her she's a cabin that's that

606
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:44,519
was built in the late eighteen hundreds. It's got like

607
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:48,519
a really cool wood burning stove. It's very old, very cool.

608
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,880
It's got a wrap around porch. The beams of the

609
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:57,880
porch literally go down into this really cool rapids like

610
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,400
a it's pretty fast even creek. I mean, she is

611
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:06,800
out there, so we go visit her, and then all

612
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:16,800
these other experiences start happening. Now I'm fully aware. I also,

613
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,400
I want to say, I got an in my instructor's

614
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,480
certificate in military krav Maga during the durt around that

615
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:29,920
time we started going out there. One thing we teaches

616
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,000
self awareness. I mean we're taught to just keep our

617
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,320
heads on a swivel at all times. I have this

618
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,760
new I have a new self awareness about me. I

619
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:44,760
have my head. I'm looking at everything. I'm looking up,

620
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,320
I'm looking down, I'm looking between trees, I'm looking at

621
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,960
all the dark spots, the shadows. So we're going We're

622
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:56,760
up there. We're doing some hikes. The first time we

623
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,280
went up to the Redwoods, it was the rainy season.

624
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,800
There was turkey tail mushrooms everywhere. So I'm out there

625
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:09,880
just forging away on these turkey tails. My family went

626
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,800
back to the cabin because we have a we have

627
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,280
a young son at that time, he was probably three.

628
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:19,400
He couldn't make you know, he couldn't do any big

629
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,679
hikes at that time, so I stayed out there. I

630
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:28,440
ended up doing an overnight collecting mushrooms, and then that's

631
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:37,280
when I started having another encounter experience. I heard vocalizations

632
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,159
down by the water, down by the creek at night,

633
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,320
and most most of the sound was just the creek.

634
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,360
You could just hear the water. It was very loud.

635
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:52,639
But I started hearing these like rumbles and kind of chatter,

636
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,840
like two things talking to each other down by the water.

637
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,480
So when the sun came up in the I went

638
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:05,480
over to investigate, and that's when I found a very

639
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:10,880
large set of tracks i'd say over around nineteen inches

640
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,760
long five and a half inches wide at.

641
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: The top of the the arch, and it kind of

642
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:29,440
one was pressed really really far down into the.

643
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: The side of the creek bed over there. Then the

644
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,000
others kind of disappeared into this tall grass. I mean,

645
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:40,039
it was pressed so far down that it started filling

646
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:45,760
up with water from the the wetness of you know,

647
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,079
the the substrate. You know, you see those survival shows

648
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:54,119
were like, you know, you find like some fresh water

649
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:55,800
and you dig like a hole next to it, and

650
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,519
it starts filling up with water. Yeah, just like that

651
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,199
I mean this thing was probably four and a half

652
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,519
inches deep, and it was just filled with water, perfect

653
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,039
perfectly shaped like a human kind of foot, except wider.

654
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,760
Mm hmm. That's around the time where I'm like, Okay,

655
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,719
well I think these things are here. So I just

656
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,000
kept following those those that trackway, and that's where I

657
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:31,400
noticed another one that was smaller. It was probably half

658
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,920
the side of that one, but also a very distinct

659
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,679
barefoot track in the middle of the redwood and in

660
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,159
the rainy season. You know, no one's walking around there

661
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,280
with bare feet during that time. So yeah, I started

662
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:54,119
noticing that started photographing those. I started just after after

663
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:56,760
I saw those tracks. I started just taking pictures of

664
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:03,039
the forest around me, just very candid shots. I would

665
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:05,760
have my cell phone just I would be walking with

666
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,880
like cross arms, with my phone under like under my

667
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:11,480
arm and kind of just poke it out a little

668
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,639
and just take like a shot and then hide it again.

669
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,639
I was trying to be as you know, candid as possible.

670
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,000
When I got back to that cabin, I started going

671
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:30,159
through my photos, and yeah, I started finding what look

672
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:36,079
like to me sasquatch looking at me, hiding, you know,

673
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,880
from behind trees, and stuff. I started seeing them in

674
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:45,239
my photos, and that's when I started posting them on

675
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:51,119
my UH on my page and sharing them with people

676
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:55,719
and trying to get feedback from from other researchers, and

677
00:46:56,679 --> 00:47:00,320
I know I sent I sent a bunch to At

678
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,960
one point, I sent a punch to Ronnie LeBlanc. He

679
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:11,679
found a few of them pretty intriguing. Other researchers I've

680
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,639
shared them with have also also found some of those

681
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:23,400
photos pretty cool. We started going there, you know, like

682
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,000
I said, twice a year, and each time we had,

683
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,639
you know, some sort of experience, I would go. I

684
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:33,199
would go pretty deep out there. I would usually do

685
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,199
about probably like fourteen fifteen mile hikes during the day

686
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,920
and just kind of go like about six seven eight

687
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,159
miles deep and kind of turn around. I like to

688
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:48,760
go off trail too, so I don't like to really

689
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,599
stick to any major trails. But even the area we

690
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:58,039
were in, it's not very uh, it's not like a

691
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,760
it's not like a hotspot. It's not like some some

692
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:06,360
you know, like Yosemite or you know, Sequilias where there's

693
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,159
like a thousand people on the trails. You don't run

694
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:13,119
into anyone out there. You might run into like you know,

695
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,039
like a trail runner or two here and there, but

696
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:23,119
that's about it. So it's pretty secluded. And I started

697
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:31,480
finding tree structures, big xes everywhere, very large x is.

698
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:37,000
Like I'm like, you know, thirty foot tall trees six

699
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:42,719
inches around, you know, seven inches eight inches around, stuffed

700
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,719
into the grounds like, you know, very bizarre kind of

701
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:53,360
structures that I started finding everywhere and get like anytime

702
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,559
I was in those areas and I started seeing that,

703
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:59,119
I started feeling that feeling that everyone talks about where

704
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:03,039
you're kind of being white. And there was certain areas

705
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,960
that I was like heading in a certain direction and

706
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,239
all of a sudden, I just felt the urge like

707
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,559
I needed to just stop and just not go that way.

708
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wall, and.

709
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: It was just so random. I just I just my

710
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,840
body would not let me go any further. I don't

711
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,639
know why. I can't explain it, but just but freeze.

712
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:27,159
I would just be stuck. It's like, yeah, don't keep going,

713
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,079
just stay right where you are, turn around, like head

714
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:35,760
the other way, don't go that way. But I have

715
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,480
no idea, I cannot explain why.

716
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I've talked to a lot of people.

717
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,360
About over the years and something that was brought up

718
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,360
early on whenever I was going out researching. We called

719
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,159
it the wall, and I've experienced it, I've seen it

720
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,000
happen to other people just and like you're saying it,

721
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,880
it's so hard to explain because it's not just a

722
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,000
sense of like, uh, you know, got the chili bumps,

723
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,159
it's kind of spout. No, it's a dead stop. It's

724
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:11,760
an absolute I cannot take another step further.

725
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:19,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's exactly what I was feeling like up there,

726
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:26,199
and it was strange. So anytime I felt that that feeling,

727
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,840
I would get my phone out and just start doing

728
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,760
three sixty pictures all around me, hundreds of them, I

729
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,119
mean hundreds of pictures. I would just start snapping away

730
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:42,000
and then I would, you know, during my free time,

731
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:46,960
be just going through them, zooming in, kicking screenshots of

732
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,719
certain things, zooming in more, looking at every little shadow

733
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,840
and cracking crevice, and you know, just scanning every single picture.

734
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,440
And then you know, once in a while, well you

735
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:04,480
just see an eyeball, and then you follow that eyeball

736
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:08,280
down you see a nose and a cheek and maybe

737
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,199
like a part of a mouth, hanging out from the

738
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,079
side of a tree and you see fur or hair.

739
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,760
You know. When I started, you know, getting more, I

740
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,360
started seeing this more and more in my pictures, and

741
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,519
it was it was pretty cool. I mean I was

742
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:28,360
just blown away by it. I was like, I can't

743
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,199
believe how close these things are. And I had no idea.

744
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:34,320
You don't see them when you're there. You know, it's

745
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,280
like it could be ten feet from you, these giant creatures,

746
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:44,559
and you don't. You have zero visuals until you start

747
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:47,199
going through your photos and then you're like, okay, wow.

748
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:55,800
So I knew they were there, and keep fast forward.

749
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,360
We kept going. I kept doing, you know, anytime I

750
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,400
was up there to be out in the woods. Almost

751
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:07,719
the whole time. I got my wife and my son.

752
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,679
We brought the dog. At one point I found this

753
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:16,840
really cool area. It was right off the main road.

754
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:20,199
There was no trail, there was no parking or anything.

755
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:21,880
We kind of just parked on the side of the road.

756
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,639
I saw just cut out in the trees and when

757
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:28,159
you drive by it and you look in, there's just beautiful.

758
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,039
I mean, it just looks beautiful. Ferns and red woods

759
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:34,719
and it just looks magical, almost so I was like,

760
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,159
I need to get in there. I want to go

761
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,519
check that area out. It was it was probably about

762
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:48,360
let's say, five miles from my friend's cabin, so we

763
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:50,800
we decided to go there one day. It's a very

764
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:56,440
steep incline going up, but we were all feeling up

765
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,119
for it. It was early, so the whole family we

766
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,440
went in. We're hanging out at the bottom. My son's,

767
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:07,039
you know, very young at the time, three four years old,

768
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:10,639
so you know, he's having a blast in the woods.

769
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:13,760
The dogs are running around like crazy, and I'm like,

770
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,480
all right, well, let's let's get up to the top

771
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,559
of this ridge and see what's going on up there.

772
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:24,000
So we did. We started going up and as we're

773
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,239
going up, I start hearing very loud thumps on the

774
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,280
on on on a tree. I believe these trees. The

775
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,119
bark on these trees is super thick, and it's kind

776
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:42,960
of soft. It's kind of it's not like, you know,

777
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:45,199
like like a hard bark from like a pine tree

778
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,000
or something a normal like pine tree. It's got like

779
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:50,679
softness to it. If you punch it with your fist,

780
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,360
it's kind of got some cushion into it. So when

781
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,119
you sump it. If you take your hand and open

782
00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:00,239
hand and cup it and just thump it. D of

783
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:06,760
has this distinct sound. It's very muffled and just you know,

784
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,119
that's what I was hearing, but very loud, like just

785
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:13,719
a it sounded like a big hand, just something away

786
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,800
on a on a redwood. When we were the only

787
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,199
ones out there. I mean, it was in the middle

788
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:24,519
of nowhere and my wife, my wife starts getting startled

789
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:30,079
at this point. She's making fun of me for for

790
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:32,960
getting into the whole big foot thing. And I will

791
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:38,079
also add this, she has no idea about my first encounter.

792
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:42,280
I have not told her to this day, and I

793
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:49,000
probably won't. She's she's also an LCSW licensed clinical social worker.

794
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:56,920
She kind of, you know, she's in that mental health field.

795
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,760
I have a feeling if I ever told I told

796
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:07,079
her about this story, she'd have me you know you oh,

797
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,440
I would be analyzed. I would be on some some

798
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:16,000
heavy medications. So yeah, I kind of kind of just

799
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,199
keep that one to myself. But yeah, either way, she's

800
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:23,079
she makes fun of me all the time for the

801
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:26,360
whole you know, watching all this you know, bigfoot stuff

802
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,480
and drawing Bigfoot all the time. And it's just funny.

803
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:33,440
I mean, she doesn't really care. She just kind of

804
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,239
bust my chops about it. Yeah. But we're going up this,

805
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,960
uh this, to the top of this ridge and we

806
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,400
hear that and she says, what is that? And you know,

807
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:48,000
I go, I'm not going to say it. I think

808
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:49,400
I know what it is, but I'm not going to

809
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,239
say it. And she she just goes, bigfoot. Yeah, it

810
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,360
could be. I don't know, it might not be. Might

811
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,199
be just someone, you know, hitting a tree in the

812
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:04,519
middle of the forest. Yeah, could be. We keep going

813
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:08,400
and we hear it again in another direction, almost like

814
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,719
it's being answered, and she goes, this sounds just like

815
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,679
those videos you showed me where these things are, where

816
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,519
those bigfoots are tree knocking or whatever. I'm like, yeah,

817
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:26,400
it sure does, doesn't it. It's very loud. She's like yeah.

818
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:29,679
She's like, this is weird. And we get we start

819
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,599
going up. We get all way up to the top

820
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:38,119
and there's a little clearing. There's some big redwood tree

821
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:42,559
fall and my son was hungry, so he stopped and

822
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:46,840
sat on the redwood. He was climbing around. He had

823
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,880
a little snack like a cliff bar or something, and

824
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,880
we were just chilling and the dog was starting to

825
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,440
act up a little. She started to I mean, she

826
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:00,840
was just running around like crazy the whole time, like

827
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,800
having a blast, And all of a sudden, she's like

828
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,199
between my legs, just like staring up at me with

829
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,320
these like big eyes, like like what's wrong with you?

830
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:18,519
And we're sitting there and right at the next like

831
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:22,639
we're on this top clearing I would say, there's more

832
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:28,000
trees really thick, probably about I would say fifty just

833
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:33,719
fifty to seventy five yards away, like it started getting

834
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,039
like a lot thicker. And we started hearing something coming

835
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:46,599
walking heavily in that in that thick brush, and my

836
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:48,760
wife just looks at me, she's like what is that?

837
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,000
And I kind of got up, and my dog is

838
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:55,000
still between my legs, just like staring up at me,

839
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:59,119
like she wasn't even going toward it. I mean, usually

840
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:02,519
when she hears something in the woods, she's an Aussie

841
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:09,280
Shepherd Border Collie mix. She's a hurting dog. She sees

842
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,280
anything running through the woods, she just goes after it.

843
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,519
She doesn't want to heard it, she just wants to

844
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,639
go check it out, but she books it. I mean,

845
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,039
and their fast dogs. These dogs can run almost thirty

846
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:24,440
miles an hour. She was just between my legs and

847
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:29,079
just staring up at me, looking really scared. And I'm like,

848
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:33,519
all right, well, let's just head back down. Let's just

849
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,519
head back down the other way. And my wife's like, yeah, yeah,

850
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,480
let's just get out of here. So we all get

851
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,840
up and we start, you know, grabbing my son and

852
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,039
you know, putting the leash on the dog, and we're

853
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:49,960
about to head down the way we came pretty much,

854
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,800
and me and my wife, all of us and my son,

855
00:58:54,199 --> 00:59:04,719
we all heard this perfect oop, loud, you know, loud,

856
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:14,440
deep guttural whoop, followed by what sounded like a gorilla grunting.

857
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:23,519
It was just like a like that, like one of

858
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,880
one to three, I don't know what it was a

859
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,840
couple maybe two grumps after and we're like we just

860
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:33,760
I saw my wife's face. She looked at me and

861
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,360
she's like, what was that? And I said it again.

862
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,159
I'm like, you know, if I tell you probably make

863
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:42,639
fun of me. But there's only one thing that makes

864
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:46,480
that noise out here. And it's not a bear, and

865
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:53,119
it's not a coyote. It's not a mountain lion, and

866
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:55,480
she's like, all right, whatever, let's just go. So we're

867
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:59,199
heading down kind of with a quick pace, and I

868
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:02,400
see her eyes think she's like starting to come to

869
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,840
the realization that maybe I all the stuff I tell

870
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:10,440
her and show her might not be so far fetched

871
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:17,280
after all. And we're walking down this very steep I mean,

872
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,320
we're kind of sliding on our butts part of the

873
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,880
way on the way down. It was, it was really

874
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,000
really steep. And we're walking and then we just start

875
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:35,960
hearing this kind of moaning, really weird moaning sounds like uh.

876
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:39,519
She's like, what is that? And that's I'm just like,

877
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,639
I don't know, I have no idea. It's very creepy.

878
01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:47,679
Just keep walking slowly, don't run, just keep walking. We'll

879
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:53,159
just kind of exit slowly, and you know, everyone stay

880
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:55,639
together and you know, keep your head on a swivel.

881
01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:58,639
So we're just walking and then all of a sudden,

882
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:05,079
this little piece of quartz, like a milky quartz. I

883
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:07,760
think it was probably about the size of a marble,

884
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,280
not shaped like a marble. It's you know, very raw,

885
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,039
just comes slying and just hits this redwood tree like

886
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:20,440
right by my head and thumbs on to the ground,

887
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:22,400
and I just looked down and I'm like, what the

888
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:27,079
heck is that? How did this? Like well, something just

889
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:31,320
threw this at us. So let's just let's just let's

890
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,320
just keep going. Let's just keep getting out of here,

891
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,920
all right, Whatever this is does not one us here.

892
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,039
I picked the thing up, I kept that little piece

893
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:44,760
of quartz, put it in my pocket. We just kept walking,

894
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,559
and then we all kind of stopped and heard it

895
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:55,039
sounded like a baby crying. And then that sound got

896
01:01:55,639 --> 01:02:00,000
very swiftly muted, almost like something like covered the mouth

897
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:01,119
of a baby.

898
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

899
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:04,599
Speaker 1: If babies just starts wailing, and then all of a

900
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:08,679
sudden they say, eh, you know, just complete silence after that.

901
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:11,679
Speaker 2: And this is all middle of the day of broad daylight.

902
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, afternoon probably, like I would say, at this Turin

903
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,360
it was twenty maybe three o'clock in the afternoon.

904
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: Please.

905
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking around for people. I'm like, you know,

906
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,360
are these Is there someone else out of here? There's

907
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:33,000
no other person in that whole area. There was not

908
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:39,000
one person. I mean it's a pretty isolated, hidden area.

909
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,800
I don't think many people go back there. I mean,

910
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:47,519
I'm constantly looking for footprints and doing some mild tracking

911
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,239
and stuff. I didn't see any and you know, usually

912
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,119
see hiking boot tracks everywhere. There was no tracks anywhere back.

913
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,119
Speaker 2: There, trash something.

914
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,639
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing. There's no sign of any people at all.

915
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:06,880
But yeah, the baby noise was very creepy being covered

916
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,039
by that hand. And then we finally got to the

917
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:15,599
bottom area and that's around the area where I like

918
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:20,480
where that baby sound came from. So I'm looking around,

919
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:22,880
I'm just trying to like investigate a bit, and just

920
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:27,960
you know, I'm snapping hundreds of pictures of course, and

921
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:30,679
we're down at the bottom and you could see like

922
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,400
the kind of just kind of cut out where like

923
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:39,039
that leads to our car eventually, so we kind of

924
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,719
felt a little safer down there, so we kind of

925
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,639
My son wanted to play in the woods a bit.

926
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:47,679
It was like, you know, grabbing big sticks and smacking

927
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:52,679
them against trees. And I found some shelf mushrooms that

928
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:55,559
were really cool. I was, you know, like I said,

929
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:58,079
into my college. I'm still into my college, so I'm

930
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:00,960
like taking pictures of mushrooms and stuff. I was actually

931
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:05,840
drumming on these these shelf mushrooms like Jim Carrey did

932
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,280
in pet detective too. Yeah, I'm like playing like wipe

933
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:14,199
out on these like shelf mushrooms, and my son's smacking

934
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:19,039
sticks against trees and stuff and not in not for

935
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:22,360
a reason. He was just having fun. And then we're

936
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,440
making all this noise down there, and in the distance

937
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:29,199
I hear it sounded like a loud scream, but like

938
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:35,199
very far away that kind of not scream, more like

939
01:04:35,199 --> 01:04:39,719
like a like a like a siren, you know, but

940
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,800
very far away. It sounded like like almost like that

941
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:48,480
Ohio Howell kind of sounds to it, which was pretty cool.

942
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:51,079
I was like, wow, that and we all heard it.

943
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,119
My wife is like, you know what, I don't think

944
01:04:56,119 --> 01:05:00,119
we're gonna be taking our son here hiking anymore. And

945
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:04,880
it is a little too much for me. For a

946
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,960
brief second, I think she believed in big foot. Yeah,

947
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:14,320
either way, we taking videos of my son. He's uh,

948
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,360
this is where I got really creepy taking a video

949
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:21,719
and then my son's in this in the video. I'm like,

950
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:23,880
his name, you know, I'm just I don't want to

951
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,280
say his name, but I'm like, everybody, you know, what

952
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,800
are you doing? And he's got my wife's phone and

953
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,440
he's like about to have a little temper tantrum because

954
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,360
he can't get the camera to switch to selfie mode.

955
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,599
And it's super cute. I mean, he's four years old

956
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:45,800
and he's like starts freaking out about this phone. And

957
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,639
then I'm just videotaping him and I'm like, all right, well,

958
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,360
this isn't a good video. You're you're starting to act up,

959
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:58,800
and I just turned the video off and then you know,

960
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,239
we calm him down, leave, we get back to the

961
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,920
cabin whatever. I'm going through my pictures and this and that,

962
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,239
and that's when I started finding some very odd findings

963
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,760
in my pictures, especially when he started freaking out about

964
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,960
the phone. There was this these two trees in the

965
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,440
background that kind of went down into a V. It

966
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:24,119
was like the opening came down into a V between

967
01:06:24,119 --> 01:06:28,360
these two trees the way they were angled, and right

968
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,239
in the bottom of that V. Well, he's freaking out.

969
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,760
You can see this head moving behind trying to get

970
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:46,599
a good look at him, and it it's it's literally

971
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:49,400
you could see it like moving to try to get

972
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:54,320
it like just to really lock onto him, and it's

973
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,239
really creepy. I'm like looking at this thing, like what

974
01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:01,239
is that so I started zooming in and taking you know,

975
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,519
screenshot after screenshot, trying to capture like just some image

976
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:09,000
of what this thing could be. And yeah, it was.

977
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,960
It was. It had eyes, it had a it was.

978
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,920
It looked to me like it was a Saslutch nose eyes.

979
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,840
You can see part of its upper teeth coming out,

980
01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:24,880
almost like it had its head tilted back, but was

981
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,519
like trying to look forward at the same time, trying

982
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:31,239
to like just really remain hidden. I'm going through my

983
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,840
pictures and right where I heard that baby cry, I

984
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:43,280
have a picture that can only be described as an

985
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:51,440
infant space with grace gain. You could see the eyes,

986
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:54,199
the nose, it's a it's a it's a it's a

987
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:57,559
face in a bush. And I'm looking at this thing

988
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:01,880
and I'm zooming around and I'm looking through this this

989
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:08,239
foliage and you can see also it's being held by

990
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:13,119
a mother. Something else is there. And it is not

991
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:18,760
in full you know, it's not in It's very fated looking.

992
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:24,439
It almost looks like it's you know, not translucent. I

993
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,319
don't know, it's just foggy. But you can make out

994
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,279
the eye, the cheek bone, you can make out the

995
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:33,920
part of the nose and make out the shape of

996
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,680
the head. You could even see some some hair, and

997
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,640
it was looking right at my son as well. The

998
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,880
eyes were If you look at the picture, the eyes

999
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,039
are pointed. You could see the pupil pointed right at

1000
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:51,720
my son, which I started noticing a lot more after

1001
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,600
I saw that. I started looking at all the pictures

1002
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,399
of my son that I took in the in the

1003
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,760
redwoods back there, and there were a few pictures where

1004
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,680
you can see some creatures and the eyes would be

1005
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,760
directed right at him like they were very interested in him.

1006
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,359
And it seemed like anytime I took him out in

1007
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:20,560
that area, these things would come around us like a

1008
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:21,840
lot closer than usual.

1009
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 2: How far away are they?

1010
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean, this thing was had to have been less

1011
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:31,119
than twenty feet away, maybe twenty five twenty to twenty

1012
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:35,560
five feet away in that area. It's hard to judge

1013
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:41,760
through the picture, but it's close. It's very close. Yeah,

1014
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,159
I just started noticing that up there. When I'm out there,

1015
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,840
when I'm when i'm alone, I don't I don't feel

1016
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:53,319
like that kind of that fear. But when when I'm

1017
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,560
with my son out there and these things are looking

1018
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:01,039
at him, it's kind of kind of gives me a

1019
01:10:01,039 --> 01:10:04,600
a little anxiety. You know, I don't know what their

1020
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,880
interest is with them. You hear, you hear some stories

1021
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,439
where you know, I mean there's a full spectrum of stories.

1022
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,399
You hear stories where they help people, you hear stories

1023
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:23,239
where they take people. You know, you know, it's it's

1024
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:28,760
just hard to judge something that is so unknown. So yeah,

1025
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,600
I kind of feel a little nervous about taking them

1026
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,279
out there, at least really deep, deep out there anymore.

1027
01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:39,319
Like if we go now, I kind of stick to

1028
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:43,319
like more well traveled trails when I'm with him, and

1029
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,399
you know, I have my I mean, I am on

1030
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,239
high alert the whole time. I do not let him

1031
01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:53,680
run ahead. I'm like, I'm very strict when it comes

1032
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,960
to being out there. Now. My wife actually makes fun

1033
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,000
of me, said, wow, you're so strict. Just let them say,

1034
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:02,960
you know what, I'm not going to let him run

1035
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:06,039
ahead of us, Like, if he's fifty feet ahead of us,

1036
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:12,279
that's enough time for anything to grab him. I mean,

1037
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:15,920
he weighs forty pounds, soaking wet. I mean, you know,

1038
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:18,800
it's not that hard to carry a forty pound kid

1039
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,399
off into the woods. So throughout very very strict when

1040
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,560
it comes to, you know, being out there with him anymore.

1041
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 2: And so what do you think is going on with

1042
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:34,479
these things? Like you talk about that one picture of

1043
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:41,119
the infant and the I guess mother not being fully solid.

1044
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:42,960
What do you think's going on?

1045
01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:48,159
Speaker 1: Well, I've gone through like the whole roller coaster of

1046
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:54,479
ideas about this, and just I like to read as

1047
01:11:54,600 --> 01:12:01,199
much as I can about this. In particular, I think

1048
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:10,159
that these things have developed some really unique abilities, just

1049
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:12,079
like a lot of other animals on this planet have,

1050
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,039
even as simple as a polar bear. Like a polar bear,

1051
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:24,960
its hair is completely see through. It's clear, it's not white,

1052
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:32,319
it's completely see through. It has black skin, and the

1053
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:39,199
way the hair itself is shaped between that and the

1054
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:43,359
black skin and its surroundings, it picks up its surroundings.

1055
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,399
That's that's an adapt and that's how it adapts. That's

1056
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:51,680
how it hides from baby seals. It can sneak up

1057
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,039
on anything. It could remain almost completely unseen on the

1058
01:12:56,119 --> 01:12:58,439
on the ice and in this and in the snow.

1059
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:06,520
I think maybe these things might have, you know, adapted

1060
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,119
something similar. You know, you hear all this, you know,

1061
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:13,079
lack of a modulla talk all the time, you know,

1062
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:17,479
Meldrum talks about it all the time. How all the

1063
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,399
hair samples he gets have the lack of modulla, which

1064
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,880
is the central core of a hair follicle. You know,

1065
01:13:25,319 --> 01:13:32,159
if that's the case, then could these things possibly soak

1066
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:37,479
up texture and color of its surroundings and just kind

1067
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:42,119
of blend in a little easier and their skin is complete.

1068
01:13:42,199 --> 01:13:46,279
I mean, from what I've seen, the skin looks completely

1069
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:52,399
like battleship gray, which just blends into anything. If you

1070
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,000
have that gray skin and then hair that can literally

1071
01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:01,960
the way it's shaped. I mean, you think of like

1072
01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:09,560
these cloaking mechanisms that the military develops. What if the

1073
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,920
hair can actually do that? What if can it bend

1074
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,880
light like a prism and just bend light around it

1075
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:20,640
to never behind it? You know, it shows that texture.

1076
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,840
I have no idea. That's kind of where I'm what

1077
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:27,039
I'm thinking. Yeah, I always try to come up with

1078
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:32,560
like a scientific explanation for this stuff, or you know,

1079
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,000
you can't half the time. I mean, then you start

1080
01:14:36,039 --> 01:14:38,720
talking about these balls of light that are seen with

1081
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,439
these things, and then all of a sudden everything gets

1082
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,159
thrown down the two I'm like all right, Well, I

1083
01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:44,520
have no explanation for that, right.

1084
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:47,319
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen any orbs?

1085
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: Not personally? No. I my Actually I bring this up

1086
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,600
to my father all the time. I talk to him

1087
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,079
about this all the time. He's pretty open minded to it.

1088
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:03,000
He's very intrigued by the folk and stuff. And he

1089
01:15:03,119 --> 01:15:08,039
was telling me that he was driving through I think

1090
01:15:08,039 --> 01:15:11,399
it was Arizona back when he was a teenager, and

1091
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:17,039
through like a heavily forested area and uh, he said

1092
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:23,479
he had a ball of light follow his car. He

1093
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,119
was driving down the street. It was like really late

1094
01:15:27,279 --> 01:15:30,560
early in the morning kind of time, midnight one in

1095
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,720
the morning kind of time. And he said a ball

1096
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,600
of light was traveling through the woods and came up

1097
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,840
to the passenger side window of his car and was

1098
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:46,560
keeping pace with him down the road, ended up moving

1099
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,600
in front of the car and was still keeping pace

1100
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,279
with him, and then just darted off into the woods

1101
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:57,520
and he saw he saw it moving through the trees. Yeah.

1102
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:01,359
And my dad is the type of dude to even

1103
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,439
talk about any of this kind of stuff. He's very like,

1104
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:10,600
you know, put together. He doesn't really For him to

1105
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,079
tell me that was incredible in my opinion, I mean

1106
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,199
just to hear him admit that. To me, I was like, Wow,

1107
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:19,560
that's that means something coming from him, because he's not

1108
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,199
the kind of guy that like want to even talk

1109
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:26,880
about that kind of stuff. He gets kind of he's

1110
01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:28,720
very reserved. I guess, you know.

1111
01:16:29,399 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: I've heard very similar stories about glowing balls of light

1112
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,199
behaving that way around vehicles.

1113
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: M h. He said it looked like it had intelligence.

1114
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's probably like the third time I've heard that.

1115
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:52,039
Speaker 1: So that's pretty interesting. I personally have I grow up.

1116
01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:56,600
I mean, nowadays I'm out there at least twice a

1117
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,880
week broby eight hours each time. I go pretty deep

1118
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,760
into the wilderness all the time. I've still not seen

1119
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:10,000
one of these things, you know. Oh yeah, that's another

1120
01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:13,680
strange thing that you know occurs with these things, And

1121
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:18,520
it's kind of hard to think of anything scientific, you know,

1122
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:24,279
when it comes to the relationship of the balls of

1123
01:17:24,359 --> 01:17:28,119
light and a sasquatch. You know, you could scientifically, you

1124
01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:35,039
could even scientifically describe like the glowing red eyes. I mean,

1125
01:17:37,159 --> 01:17:39,359
I don't know where I just heard this, but someone

1126
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,439
was talking about this fish called the dragonfish that's a

1127
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:51,800
deep sea fish, and the fish developed the ability to

1128
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:59,079
give out a red light through its eyes and see

1129
01:17:59,239 --> 01:18:03,720
in infrared in the deep sea where it's completely black.

1130
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:10,800
So I'm thinking, if a fish can develop something that

1131
01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:14,359
puts out a red light so that it can see

1132
01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:19,399
an infrared, who's to say that a land mammal that

1133
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,560
you know, has to live mostly nocturnally because of human

1134
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:31,399
encroachment didn't over time develop the ability to see an

1135
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:36,880
infrared at night. Because you talk about you hear these

1136
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:41,159
stories about hunters, and hunters go out. I mean they

1137
01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:45,000
start walking out to their tree stands at what three

1138
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,960
in the morning sometimes, Yeah, three in the morning. Yeah,

1139
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:51,079
you're going out there early. You want to get up

1140
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:52,880
before you know, you want to get out there before

1141
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:58,399
the sun comes up. And these people are avid outdoorsmen.

1142
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:03,000
These people are all seeing the same thing, and they're

1143
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,760
describing it not as eye shine. We've all seen eye shine.

1144
01:19:08,039 --> 01:19:14,199
If they're describing this, these eyes to have a glow

1145
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:19,960
to them, like they're putting out their own light, who's

1146
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,279
to say that these things can't see in infrared. There

1147
01:19:24,319 --> 01:19:26,000
was a guy who was just talking about how he

1148
01:19:26,079 --> 01:19:32,800
saw the eyes go from completely red to amber, to

1149
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:36,880
yellow to a greenish tint and then almost to a

1150
01:19:37,039 --> 01:19:43,319
light blue, all within a couple minutes the same creature.

1151
01:19:45,359 --> 01:19:51,079
I've taken pictures where I've seen these things. They have fun.

1152
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:54,800
It's crazy, like I'll see, I'll take a whole bunch

1153
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,560
of pictures of the same spot and if there's a

1154
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,520
creature in it. I've taken a couple where you see

1155
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,479
the complete eye, you see the the pupil, you almost

1156
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,119
see like the actual color of the eye. It's almost

1157
01:20:08,119 --> 01:20:13,399
like a like a beige color where our color would be,

1158
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,479
you know, around the surrounding the pupil. And then in

1159
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:22,680
another picture it almost looks like it's crazy to explain,

1160
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:26,039
but it almost looks like a film over the eye

1161
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:31,880
that changes the color completely into like this amber color.

1162
01:20:33,159 --> 01:20:36,520
You know how certain animals have like a protective like

1163
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,960
an like an under eyelid. It almost looks like it

1164
01:20:40,079 --> 01:20:44,560
has an under eyelid, like a protective layer or something.

1165
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,600
That's how That's the only way I can explain how

1166
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:51,640
it looks. It's very interesting though, and I've noticed that

1167
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:54,680
a couple of times with with photos of these things.

1168
01:20:55,039 --> 01:20:59,319
Speaker 2: I think if I remember correctly, and I'm sure if

1169
01:20:59,359 --> 01:21:02,319
somebody's listen and knows, they'll correct me. If I'm wrong,

1170
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:07,880
but I think humans used to have like a secondary

1171
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,199
eyelid like that that we evolved away from. It wouldn't

1172
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:14,000
surprise me at all if these things had, you know,

1173
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:19,159
specialized eyes that have evolved into something, you know, to

1174
01:21:19,319 --> 01:21:24,439
help it survive. Nature will find a way, you know, totally.

1175
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,319
Speaker 1: And if you think about, like how this creature must

1176
01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:31,800
have changed over time, I mean before humans were here,

1177
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,319
you know, like how we are now. I mean in

1178
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:41,319
this you know, the way we build cities now, and

1179
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,319
you know there's you know, we just take over everything

1180
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:50,079
and these things literally at one point of time, these

1181
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:53,800
things were able to come out during the day, you know,

1182
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:59,920
you know when when Native Americans we're here living here,

1183
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:05,079
you know, before the white man came, these things. I

1184
01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:08,600
mean there's stories, there's there's Native stories where these things

1185
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:13,640
would you know, trade with with natives and they spoke

1186
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,520
the same, you know, similar languages. They were able to

1187
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,039
communicate with each other and all this stuff, and you know,

1188
01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:23,359
during that time, these things were probably able to come

1189
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:27,039
out during the day a lot more and they didn't

1190
01:22:27,079 --> 01:22:31,119
have to worry about hiding so much. Now. I mean,

1191
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,000
when you think about some of these areas where these

1192
01:22:34,119 --> 01:22:38,000
these things lived. I mean you think like you think

1193
01:22:38,359 --> 01:22:40,600
these things live in like the most remote areas of

1194
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:44,159
the world. They probably do. They do, but they also

1195
01:22:44,279 --> 01:22:48,319
live right in urban areas too. I mean, there's a

1196
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,600
there's that video of one going through a dumpster at

1197
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,279
like a wal Mart or something, you know. I mean,

1198
01:22:55,319 --> 01:22:59,279
these things are living pretty close to people. They have

1199
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,359
to hide. They know how dangerous he thems are. Over time,

1200
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:10,239
they must have adapted some sort of skills, biological skills

1201
01:23:10,279 --> 01:23:17,239
to help them, you know, navigate at night. I don't know.

1202
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:21,800
I also have another theory. I don't know how valid

1203
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:27,359
this is or sounds, but I've been noticing I hear

1204
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,399
a lot of clicking, especially where I am in southern California.

1205
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,039
And you wouldn't think that these things are in southern California,

1206
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,800
But believe me when I tell you, these things are

1207
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:41,760
out here in southern California in these mountains. I have

1208
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:46,399
a lot of experiences with with these things out here,

1209
01:23:47,159 --> 01:23:53,439
and I hear these teeth clicks all the time like that,

1210
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:59,000
and I hear click like like that kind of finger

1211
01:23:59,039 --> 01:24:02,960
popping sounds a lot, and I'm always wondering, like what

1212
01:24:03,159 --> 01:24:06,239
these sounds mean, and I'm always doing research and trying

1213
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:11,319
to figure out what anything could be. And a couple

1214
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:14,159
of weeks ago I started doing some research and I

1215
01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:17,199
don't know how I got to this, to this rabbit hole,

1216
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:24,760
but there was a guy who was blinded as a child.

1217
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:29,479
He couldn't see anything, and he literally a human being

1218
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:35,800
developed a way to echo locate using clicks.

1219
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've seen that guy.

1220
01:24:39,079 --> 01:24:41,319
Speaker 1: And he's not the only one. He was the first

1221
01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:45,560
one recorded to do this, but there's been more since then.

1222
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:52,319
So I'm thinking, if humans lost their vision and can

1223
01:24:52,399 --> 01:24:59,239
develop a sense of echolocation using clicks, then could these

1224
01:24:59,279 --> 01:25:05,239
things use those clicks to echo locate at night? And

1225
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:09,319
if that's the case, they would know where I mean,

1226
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,600
you know where everything is. I mean they can if

1227
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:18,640
you can echo locate and you could see infrared, I mean,

1228
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,520
come on, I mean, you're like, it would give them

1229
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:27,399
such insane abilities to just be able to navigate through

1230
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:31,319
those areas at night. I mean, and I cannot come

1231
01:25:31,399 --> 01:25:34,520
up with another explanation of how they can move silently

1232
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:40,960
through a pitch black forest at nighttime, completely stealthy like that. Yeah,

1233
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,000
so that was just another theory I had. I don't

1234
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:47,039
know how valid that is or anything. It could just

1235
01:25:47,079 --> 01:25:49,520
sound like a big idiot, but no, not at all.

1236
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,039
Speaker 2: It got me thinking about the tree knocks actually, and

1237
01:25:53,119 --> 01:25:57,640
maybe that's just like a big man. Yeah, A lot

1238
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,399
of times the tree knocking seems to be a stated

1239
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:04,520
with people, you know, entering an area. So if they

1240
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,199
were using the tree knocks for some sort of you know,

1241
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:10,119
echo location mapping to find out where the humans in

1242
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:12,479
the area were exactly or something.

1243
01:26:13,079 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: And I get you know, out here in southern California,

1244
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:22,000
I also hear lots of rock clacking, lots of it.

1245
01:26:22,359 --> 01:26:26,159
You just hear the rocks being very rapidly hit together,

1246
01:26:26,319 --> 01:26:30,560
really quickly in these pulses that I don't know if

1247
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,800
that has anything to do with it too, but I

1248
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:38,840
mean it could be using those as well to to

1249
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:44,199
navigate or just to see who's around, see what's around. Yeah,

1250
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:48,239
it's it's incredible. I was traveling to northern California all

1251
01:26:48,279 --> 01:26:51,000
the time and thinking I had to travel all the

1252
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,760
way up there until someone told me about this spot

1253
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:01,439
out here, a buddy at work. Actually we're just you know,

1254
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,840
talking about you know, the forest. I just love being

1255
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,680
in the forest. I feel very comfortable in a home

1256
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,560
in the forest. I love doing bushcraft, and you know,

1257
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,600
we're just talking about this, and I'm like telling them,

1258
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,359
the worst part about living in southern California is there's

1259
01:27:18,399 --> 01:27:23,039
no forests. All the hikes out here are canyons and desert,

1260
01:27:23,359 --> 01:27:28,600
and you know, it's beautiful, but it's not. It doesn't

1261
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:33,000
give me that satisfaction. I just love being surrounded by trees.

1262
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:38,199
So then he told me, oh, well, there is a spot.

1263
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,000
It's in the Cleveland National Forest. It's less than an

1264
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,000
hour from I live in San Diego. It's less than

1265
01:27:44,039 --> 01:27:46,880
an hour from here. You could drive there in fifty

1266
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,640
two minutes and you could be right in the middle

1267
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,039
of the forest. And the whole time, I mean, I've

1268
01:27:51,239 --> 01:27:53,920
had lived out here for over a decade, had no

1269
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,880
idea it was there. And not only does he tell

1270
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,279
me about it, but he also has a best friend

1271
01:28:01,319 --> 01:28:04,760
who owns the cabin out there, and she's never there.

1272
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:09,479
She lives in la and the cabin is basically just

1273
01:28:10,199 --> 01:28:13,720
kind of like her. She goes there twice a year maybe,

1274
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,319
and it just you know, it fits, and she lets

1275
01:28:17,399 --> 01:28:21,079
him go up whenever he wants. So we started going

1276
01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:27,600
up to that cabin a lot and it was very,

1277
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:32,960
very very secluded. I mean my car couldn't even make

1278
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:38,159
it down the road to get to the cabin. The

1279
01:28:38,279 --> 01:28:40,960
road is just a dirt cut out in the middle

1280
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,560
of the woods that goes for a few miles in.

1281
01:28:44,279 --> 01:28:48,600
I mean it is very hilly lots. I mean you

1282
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,199
need a four wheel, you need a g or something

1283
01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:54,800
to get back there. I have a a Nissan road

1284
01:28:55,039 --> 01:28:59,000
that think that think cannot make it back there. I

1285
01:28:59,039 --> 01:29:02,560
mean it's pretty rugg it back there. So, yeah, we

1286
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,840
would we would go out to the cabin and you know,

1287
01:29:07,239 --> 01:29:09,680
you know, I'd bring throwing axes and we'd be out

1288
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,800
there in the back, you know, throwing axes and knives

1289
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,159
and all kinds of stuff, just you know, hanging out

1290
01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:22,319
and going on hikes during the day and this and that. Well,

1291
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,600
when we were going back to the cabin for the

1292
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:32,920
first time, we went the wrong way. He couldn't remember

1293
01:29:33,119 --> 01:29:36,279
the road. There was a there's like a few cutouts,

1294
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,279
and it's really it's kind of hard to find. So

1295
01:29:39,359 --> 01:29:42,680
we went down the wrong road. It eventually led to

1296
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,560
the cabin. But we're going down this road and there's

1297
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:51,000
this sign back there that the Cleveland National Forest UH

1298
01:29:51,399 --> 01:29:55,159
Rangers put up. It was like this official Cleveland National

1299
01:29:55,159 --> 01:29:59,800
Forest bulletin that was back there, and there was a

1300
01:30:00,039 --> 01:30:04,680
probably not it that said bigfoot creatures have been seen

1301
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:08,720
out here. Please stay on mark trails at all times.

1302
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,399
And I thought, what the hell, like is this is

1303
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:17,439
this forest actually recognizing these things and just you know

1304
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:21,600
warning people. It was. It was cool to see. I

1305
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,720
was like, holy crap, Like I'm like, that's that's interesting.

1306
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean I've seen, like, you know, people post them

1307
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,439
on the internet and stuff, but I've never heard of

1308
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,359
one actually in a forest.

1309
01:30:33,079 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was there and it was official from them,

1310
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,279
So yeah, I was like, wow, if these things are

1311
01:30:42,319 --> 01:30:46,520
out here. I found out that night that they are

1312
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:50,159
out there. We we went out with a few. We

1313
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:54,199
brought a few people from work. It was kind of

1314
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:56,439
like a boy's night out. You know. We all got

1315
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,399
back there. You know, someone brought like a nine millimeter.

1316
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,479
We were gonna go out into the Onzebrego and shoot

1317
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:07,439
it the next day in some like blm Land, so

1318
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:12,039
you know, like five six of us. I'm a chef,

1319
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,199
so I also I made like a whole bunch of

1320
01:31:15,279 --> 01:31:20,239
Jamaican food. I made like this big giant curry and

1321
01:31:20,359 --> 01:31:24,119
all these Johnny cakes and all kinds of cool Jamaican food.

1322
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:27,880
It was so good. And we just kind of hung

1323
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,399
out back and ate a bunch of food, and we

1324
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,319
were drinking some beers, and we were saving the beer

1325
01:31:33,359 --> 01:31:37,600
cans to shoot the next day. We're gonna set them

1326
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:41,399
up in the desert and just you know, and shoot them.

1327
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:47,359
We're all chilling. At the end of the night, we

1328
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,920
all start going in and cleaning up outside, and I

1329
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,520
noticed one of the dudes was scraping his bowl of

1330
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,720
food into the bag with the cans, and I'm like, dude,

1331
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,720
we're gonna s hit those cans tomorrow while you're putting

1332
01:32:02,319 --> 01:32:05,159
while you pick and covering them in food. He's like,

1333
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:10,399
oh shoot, sorry, oh man. I'm like whatever, we'll just

1334
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,159
think we'll just clean it up tomorrow. We'll just dig

1335
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:17,079
around him. So I didn't think anything of it. The

1336
01:32:17,119 --> 01:32:21,359
bag was left on the back porch. We all go in.

1337
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,319
The cabin has two bedrooms. You have to go through

1338
01:32:25,399 --> 01:32:28,239
one bedroom to get to the second bedroom. That's kind

1339
01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:30,880
of the layout. I took the far bedroom on the

1340
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:35,840
back wall of the cabin. My buddy who scraped the

1341
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,920
food into the bag, took the second bedroom. And then

1342
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:45,039
the guy who my buddy, who you know, is best

1343
01:32:45,039 --> 01:32:47,880
friends with the lady who owns the cabin. He likes

1344
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,000
to stay on the big giant couch out in the

1345
01:32:50,039 --> 01:32:53,800
living room, and they had this big kind of faux

1346
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,239
fur thick carpet, and then one dude like slept on

1347
01:32:57,239 --> 01:32:58,680
the carpet. It was just like a whole bunch of

1348
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:04,039
us just kind of a bed in there. And I

1349
01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:06,560
would say around three point thirty in the morning, I

1350
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:11,680
got woken up by the exact same screen that I

1351
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:15,359
heard out in the Pine bearings when I was a kid.

1352
01:33:16,039 --> 01:33:21,720
That sounded like a woman being murdered outside. That actually

1353
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,399
was so loud that you could hear the glass in

1354
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:29,000
the windows shaking. It was loud, and that woke me up,

1355
01:33:30,119 --> 01:33:32,319
and I was sitting straight up, and I'm like, what

1356
01:33:32,359 --> 01:33:37,000
the hell is that. I'm just like sitting there staring.

1357
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:41,439
There's the whole room, like right where the bed is

1358
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,800
is surrounded by windows. So I'm in the bed, just

1359
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:50,279
surfounded by windows, and they have curtains down, and I

1360
01:33:50,399 --> 01:33:54,760
just I'm sitting there staring and I see movement like

1361
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,600
something's walking, and then I start hearing footsteps outside the window,

1362
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:04,479
and this windows two feet from my head. I'm just like,

1363
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:10,880
oh great, something's out there. And then I hear something

1364
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,439
step up onto the porch, and I hear that bag,

1365
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:19,600
and I hear the cans shaking, and I hear like

1366
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:25,319
big deep sniffs, and then I hear more cans shaking,

1367
01:34:26,199 --> 01:34:29,359
and then the cant the bag of cans drops, and

1368
01:34:29,399 --> 01:34:32,359
then it just sounds like something full speed just sprinted

1369
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:35,119
off the porch. That kept me up for the rest

1370
01:34:35,119 --> 01:34:38,760
of the night. Yeah, in the morning, I'm like sitting

1371
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:44,119
there like like, holy crap. Like I didn't I didn't

1372
01:34:44,119 --> 01:34:45,960
even want to say anything in the morning. I was

1373
01:34:46,039 --> 01:34:48,199
just like, wonder if anyone else heard this. I'm not

1374
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:51,680
gonna say anything about this. I'm gonna wait as soon

1375
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:55,119
as I come out in the morning. And my buddy's

1376
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,680
my buddy, the one who scraped the food into the

1377
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,319
thing into the bag. He's like, did you guys hear

1378
01:35:01,359 --> 01:35:05,840
that last night? That screen? He was the other one

1379
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:10,720
in the bedroom. He he was freaked out by it.

1380
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,800
He's like something he explained exactly what I just explained.

1381
01:35:15,039 --> 01:35:17,119
Some Both me and him were just sitting up like

1382
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,479
what the hell. The other two dudes were in the

1383
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:24,399
living room. They didn't they I mean I think they.

1384
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:28,039
I don't really drink, so I was. I was pretty sober.

1385
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,800
I drank like a beer, maybe so did my buddy.

1386
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:34,640
But the two of them were, the two guys in

1387
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,359
the living room were like partying it up, so they

1388
01:35:37,359 --> 01:35:39,920
were like they were self passed out. They didn't hear anything.

1389
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,760
I saw a look in my buddy's face, and yeah,

1390
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:49,039
he he was terrified. He definitely heard something he had

1391
01:35:49,079 --> 01:35:52,319
never heard before. He grew up out in out in

1392
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:57,159
like a forested area too, so he was he was,

1393
01:35:57,399 --> 01:35:59,119
He was like, I've never heard that sound in the

1394
01:35:59,159 --> 01:36:03,319
woods before. Like yeah, like I said, it sounded just

1395
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:08,600
like that scream. So I started going there twice a

1396
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:12,600
week ever since that first time in the cabin, and

1397
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:17,319
just it's right along the Pacific Crest Trail. The Pacific

1398
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:22,800
Crest Trail, I believe, starts in Mexico if I'm not mistaken,

1399
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,239
and it goes all the way up through southern like

1400
01:36:27,319 --> 01:36:34,800
San Diego County southeast up into the mountains, and right

1401
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,079
where that cabin is is probably like a mile from

1402
01:36:37,079 --> 01:36:41,039
where that Pacific Crest Trail where you can get it.

1403
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,840
Access to that trail so I'm over there all the time.

1404
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:49,279
I go all different directions all the time. I have

1405
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:54,640
found very deep, large footprints. I've heard the rock clacking.

1406
01:36:56,119 --> 01:37:02,680
I've gotten some incredible photos. These things all around me

1407
01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:06,479
grouped up into what I've been calling just pile ups.

1408
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:09,880
I've noticed that they like to pile up on each

1409
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:16,119
other and cover each other's faces with their arms, and

1410
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:20,039
they huddle up into the darkest shadows of trees and

1411
01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:26,960
rocks and get really low to the grounds. And it's incredible.

1412
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,319
Some of these photos you can see, like we can

1413
01:37:30,359 --> 01:37:33,319
see like six seven of them just piled up. You

1414
01:37:33,359 --> 01:37:37,600
could see little ones. I got a photo one time.

1415
01:37:38,119 --> 01:37:40,840
My dad and my stepmother came out to visit, and

1416
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,960
they wanted to do a cool hike, and I brought

1417
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,199
them up there. My son came with us. We were

1418
01:37:48,199 --> 01:37:53,800
all hiking, and I mean we didn't even go deep

1419
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,760
off trail. We were pretty much sticking onto the trails.

1420
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,479
If we did go off trail, it was just you know,

1421
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:03,199
maybe like a couple hundred yards in the most and

1422
01:38:03,239 --> 01:38:05,319
then we'd come, you know, make our way back the

1423
01:38:05,319 --> 01:38:08,279
same way we came. Yeah, you know, I don't know.

1424
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:11,079
I had my son with me, so he you know,

1425
01:38:11,359 --> 01:38:14,159
I don't want to really you go deep off grid

1426
01:38:14,199 --> 01:38:20,560
with him. But we're up there, and is it Me

1427
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,039
and my son one of us banged a stick against

1428
01:38:23,039 --> 01:38:27,039
the tree really loud. The video was fine.

1429
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:27,199
Speaker 2: Me.

1430
01:38:27,319 --> 01:38:30,079
Speaker 1: I think I smacked a giant stick against the tree

1431
01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:35,600
just for just messing around, really And that was answered

1432
01:38:36,199 --> 01:38:43,279
with a can't describe it. It was. It wasn't very audible,

1433
01:38:43,319 --> 01:38:47,600
but you can feel it. It sounded like this, like

1434
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:52,319
like like kind of noise, but it was more penetrating us,

1435
01:38:52,399 --> 01:38:56,479
like it was more like it felt like almost like

1436
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:00,199
like like a bomb went off somewhere, like nearby, or

1437
01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:09,239
like something exploded nearby, like that feeling of just just

1438
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,520
right through our bodies. And we all just stopped in

1439
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,119
our tracks. And my son's like, what was that? You know?

1440
01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:19,800
My dad's like, yeah, what was that? I'm like, you

1441
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:24,279
know what, I don't know what that was, but I've

1442
01:39:24,319 --> 01:39:27,560
never heard it up here. Maybe we should probably turn

1443
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:32,319
around and start heading out. I didn't. It didn't feel normal,

1444
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:36,520
didn't feel comfortable. And during that time I started taking

1445
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,520
a bunch of pictures and that's when I got one

1446
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,760
of the craziest pictures I've ever seen. Of this little

1447
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:46,680
infant that barely had any hair on him, he was

1448
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:53,520
all gray, on the shoulder of another one who was

1449
01:39:55,079 --> 01:40:01,079
looked very neanderthal like, very caveman like. And he's on

1450
01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:05,000
the shoulder of that one. And then right underneath them,

1451
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:08,560
peeking up is another one. It's a very small one,

1452
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,520
probably about the size of my son, who was five

1453
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:16,439
at the time, just a few feet tall, peeking out.

1454
01:40:17,119 --> 01:40:20,840
And then right to the left of them was the

1455
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,079
right side profile of a face that was, I mean

1456
01:40:24,359 --> 01:40:28,359
so detailed. You can see the eyes, the ear, you

1457
01:40:28,359 --> 01:40:31,319
can see its hairline, you can see its kind of

1458
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:35,920
orangey brown hair going into the black. You can see

1459
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:42,119
his hand covering his face, all his fingers, the wrinkles

1460
01:40:42,399 --> 01:40:47,359
in the knuckle, the fingernails, you can see everything. There

1461
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:52,359
was a whole group of them right there, probably about

1462
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:56,479
twenty five thirty yards from us, and I think that

1463
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,960
noise was a warning that we were getting too close,

1464
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,319
because there was a lot of young ones right there.

1465
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:06,600
You have all these, yeah, I've got all these. I've

1466
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:14,640
got multiple albums in my phone, and each album has

1467
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:20,920
an incredible amount of photos of these creatures from that area.

1468
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:25,119
I have different I have all albums from different areas,

1469
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:31,840
all labeled the timestamped. Everything I keep, I keep a

1470
01:41:33,079 --> 01:41:36,239
I keep it pretty. Uh what's organized?

1471
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:41,039
Speaker 2: You sent me h several different photos and there is

1472
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:44,359
definitely some in them that were very interesting. Uh where

1473
01:41:44,399 --> 01:41:48,039
you can clearly see, you know, what looks like a bigfoot.

1474
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,560
Do you have these photos posted on like your Instagram

1475
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,520
you were talking about that earlier.

1476
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:59,119
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah. Yeah, I post everything on there. I

1477
01:41:59,159 --> 01:42:05,159
you know, I try to get feedback from other researchers.

1478
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:10,279
I it's it's a great little outlet for me. I've

1479
01:42:10,319 --> 01:42:14,359
made a lot of good friends from from from on there.

1480
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:19,960
It's great to to you know, bounce ideas back and

1481
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:23,520
forth with a lot of these other up and coming

1482
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:28,680
kind of researchers in different areas of of the of

1483
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:32,279
the world. I've I've got friends out in Australia that

1484
01:42:32,359 --> 01:42:38,840
are out in North Queensland that are you know, finding

1485
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:43,800
the same stuff. We're finding tree structures and noises and

1486
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:50,399
you know the same sort of photos of these blurry

1487
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:57,319
yahwi's or whatever. You know. It's incredible, But yeah, everything's posted.

1488
01:42:58,119 --> 01:43:00,199
Speaker 2: There's just a lot of people, you know. That's one

1489
01:43:00,199 --> 01:43:03,880
of the main things I get feedback on is Whenever

1490
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,840
somebody comes on the podcast and they talk about photos

1491
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:10,119
or videos, everybody starts asking where they can see them.

1492
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:13,439
And a lot of times some of the material that's

1493
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:19,840
discussed on the podcast isn't available publicly. So this is good.

1494
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,439
People can actually go and check out what you're talking about.

1495
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:26,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, please do I mean, I have I have,

1496
01:43:27,079 --> 01:43:30,359
there's over there's probably a damn near four hundred something

1497
01:43:30,399 --> 01:43:39,319
pictures of these things that I've posted. It's incredible I've

1498
01:43:39,359 --> 01:43:42,439
even had Now I've gotten so good at finding them

1499
01:43:43,239 --> 01:43:46,399
and I've gone through all these phases where now I

1500
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:49,199
mean just it was just a week ago when I

1501
01:43:49,239 --> 01:43:53,039
was sick, I was in bed, and I've gotten a

1502
01:43:53,079 --> 01:43:58,159
lot more skilled at going through these pictures and finding

1503
01:43:58,199 --> 01:44:01,800
these creatures than I was a few years ago. Like

1504
01:44:02,039 --> 01:44:03,840
the more you do it, the better you get. You

1505
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:08,960
know what to look for. You start learning these creatures abilities,

1506
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,920
and you know how to you come up with ways

1507
01:44:12,039 --> 01:44:14,720
of trying to find them. Like a lot of pictures

1508
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:19,239
I don't see. I'll see just a little hint of

1509
01:44:19,279 --> 01:44:21,399
something where I think it might be some you know,

1510
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:24,119
a creature, and then you go in there and you

1511
01:44:24,199 --> 01:44:26,760
zoom in and you adjust the exposure a little bit,

1512
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,800
and you adjust the contrast a little bit, and all

1513
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:32,720
of a sudden, these things start popping out like details.

1514
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:44,239
I'm not talking like paradolia. I'm talking detail like eyeballs, nose, mouth, jawline, everything, hair, ears,

1515
01:44:44,319 --> 01:44:49,560
You could see the perfect human ear. You know, is

1516
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,119
it's incredible. You know, you get a lot of those,

1517
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:59,960
a lot of people that don't really understand the abilities

1518
01:45:00,079 --> 01:45:04,479
these creatures have. They try to they try to tell

1519
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:09,319
you everything's paradolia, everything's a tree, everything's a rock. But

1520
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:12,600
once you really understand how these creatures are and how

1521
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:17,840
they're able to camouflage, you start learning these different tricks

1522
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,920
and stuff. And yeah, I have people sending me pictures

1523
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:23,439
all the time and they're like do you see anything

1524
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:28,319
in this? And yeah, I'll I will scrub the picture,

1525
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:30,760
I'll go through it and do all the tricks I have,

1526
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,600
And a lot of times I find them and send them,

1527
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,760
send these people back these photos of these creatures that

1528
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,039
they that were right next to them. They had no idea.

1529
01:45:40,039 --> 01:45:42,520
So now it's then becoming a thing. I'm getting like,

1530
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,359
I'm getting sent loads of pictures all the time, like hey,

1531
01:45:46,399 --> 01:45:49,119
can you go through this for me. You know, I

1532
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:52,399
have a buddy who's out in Oregon who I met

1533
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:57,560
just through my page and he's he's on the coast

1534
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:03,399
of Oregon in this beautiful rainforest and he's constantly, constantly

1535
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:07,399
taken him he's out there every day. Back his name's

1536
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:11,279
Backwoods Bigfoot on Instagram. If anyone wants to check his

1537
01:46:11,319 --> 01:46:15,119
stuff out, and yeah, he'll send me some videos or

1538
01:46:15,159 --> 01:46:18,159
he'll even just post, you know, stories, and I'll take

1539
01:46:18,199 --> 01:46:21,359
screenshots to some of his videos and some of the

1540
01:46:22,079 --> 01:46:24,880
creatures that I have gotten that I have found, and

1541
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:31,560
some of his pictures are absolutely incredible, incredible. I mean

1542
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,319
I just found one about two weeks ago in one

1543
01:46:34,399 --> 01:46:39,640
of his pictures that was the full side of a large,

1544
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:46,199
large sasquatches. You could see his arm, his biceps, I mean,

1545
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:51,720
his hand is grasping something. I don't know what it's grasping,

1546
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,720
but you can see his thumb and you could see

1547
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:58,279
his knuckles and wear his hair meets the wrist and

1548
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:01,840
kind of turns into like that gray skin his face

1549
01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:05,560
it is, I mean, it looks like King Kong. This thing. Wow,

1550
01:47:06,399 --> 01:47:09,760
the arm is about as wide as I am round.

1551
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:15,199
I'm a big dude. I'm six three two fifty. This

1552
01:47:15,399 --> 01:47:18,760
thing is as big as my torso where his bicep is.

1553
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:25,439
I mean, the power, the hands, The hands are so huge,

1554
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:29,439
the fingers are so thick. I mean, the fingers look

1555
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:33,359
about as thick as my son's fricking arm, like six

1556
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:36,039
year old kid's arm. I mean, I mean, these things

1557
01:47:36,079 --> 01:47:39,840
are huge and they are able to hide. I mean

1558
01:47:40,199 --> 01:47:44,399
this photo I have that he took. If you look

1559
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:49,359
at the photo, the whole photo, before you zoom in,

1560
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:54,399
it looks just like a beautiful rainforest. You just see

1561
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:58,039
trees and you see the ferns and the plants. And

1562
01:47:58,079 --> 01:48:01,319
then I start zooming in for people and pointing things out,

1563
01:48:01,319 --> 01:48:06,439
and they're like, holy crap. I mean, talk about hiding

1564
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:10,800
literally in plain sight. I mean, the way these things

1565
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:15,399
can use that ability to I hate the word cloaking.

1566
01:48:16,319 --> 01:48:19,319
I don't like using that word cloaking, but there's there's

1567
01:48:19,359 --> 01:48:24,600
really no other word that is used for this ability yet.

1568
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:31,079
You know, but the way they're able to soak up

1569
01:48:31,159 --> 01:48:38,439
the background noise is incredible, and they just disappear. You

1570
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,680
could just barely see the outline. It's almost like The Predator,

1571
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:46,279
you know, yeah, the movie The Predator they just completely

1572
01:48:46,399 --> 01:48:51,840
just tone out and they are right there, right in

1573
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:56,680
front of you. It's amazing. I've got a couple of

1574
01:48:56,720 --> 01:49:02,000
pictures from northern California where I have one huge one.

1575
01:49:02,079 --> 01:49:05,159
I mean, this thing must have been I mean I'm

1576
01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:08,560
talking twelve feet tall. The hands on this thing or

1577
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:12,800
the size of my head, the fists. Also the arms,

1578
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:16,680
like like I said, some of these arms are almost

1579
01:49:17,039 --> 01:49:19,479
i mean they've got to be almost forty inches around.

1580
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:23,239
That's how big these things are. I mean, it's incredible

1581
01:49:23,399 --> 01:49:26,720
the size. And then you think about how silent they

1582
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:29,880
are and how's it's just mind blowing. You know.

1583
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:34,359
Speaker 2: One last time, what's the name of your Instagram channel.

1584
01:49:35,039 --> 01:49:40,399
Speaker 1: It's called Sasquatch Underscore Reanimated. I have all the photos

1585
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:43,359
up there, you know, and I tell people, hey, if

1586
01:49:43,359 --> 01:49:46,159
you had an encounter, hit me up and I will

1587
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:50,680
for free illustrate your encounter in my style and post

1588
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:53,239
it and I'll post the story. I've done it a

1589
01:49:53,239 --> 01:49:55,960
few times now. It's kind of just starting to pick

1590
01:49:56,039 --> 01:49:59,680
up more. But yeah, people, it's hard to get people

1591
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:02,039
to come forward with their stories.

1592
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll do that, man, I want, I want.

1593
01:50:05,279 --> 01:50:08,800
I'm down to work with you and see uh illustrating. Yeah,

1594
01:50:09,159 --> 01:50:09,800
that would be great.

1595
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,600
Speaker 1: I would I would love to. Yeah, I would love to.

1596
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:17,239
I love doing it. And you know, I have a

1597
01:50:17,239 --> 01:50:19,600
lot of people that are like, why aren't you charging

1598
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:23,520
for this? And I'm not trying to. I'm not you know,

1599
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:26,119
I'm not really trying to be one of those people

1600
01:50:26,199 --> 01:50:29,520
that's going to like capitalize off other people's encounters. I

1601
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:34,760
want it to be genuine and I draw anyway. I'm

1602
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,840
constantly drawing, so it's like, Okay, come on, give me

1603
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:42,880
some cool ideas. You know, I'm basically doing it just

1604
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:46,439
for the cool idea and a cool experience, and you know,

1605
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:50,199
it's fun to bring someone's encounter to life for them

1606
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:55,720
that they they can keep forever. And you know, I

1607
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,960
also have like an online store which I will usually

1608
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:03,640
post those pieces of art and then you know, other

1609
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,560
people can can buy shirts of it and hats and

1610
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:13,079
all kinds of cool stuff if they want. And yeah,

1611
01:51:13,159 --> 01:51:18,359
and I usually just, uh, I'll send whoever whoever gave

1612
01:51:18,399 --> 01:51:21,479
me the encounter, I will send them a print of

1613
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:24,760
the art in the mail. Yeah, it's been pretty fun

1614
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:29,199
doing that just kind of brings the community together, and

1615
01:51:30,079 --> 01:51:32,600
you know, that's what we need more of. I feel

1616
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:36,640
like we need more of just like a open mindedness,

1617
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:40,680
and everyone's got to just, you know, hear each other

1618
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:43,800
out a little more, you know, because I feel like

1619
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,640
there's a lot of big egos in this field, and

1620
01:51:47,319 --> 01:51:50,600
there's a lot of there's a little bit too much

1621
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:54,359
negativity sometimes, and I'm just like, I'm just trying to

1622
01:51:54,399 --> 01:51:57,159
be a positive outlet where someone can open up and

1623
01:51:57,359 --> 01:51:59,600
not have to worry about feeling like, you know, they're

1624
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:02,640
gonna get judged or anything. You know, I've heard some

1625
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:06,439
crazy stories. I mean, I heard a story where an

1626
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:10,079
army this army guy was telling me that his friend

1627
01:52:10,119 --> 01:52:15,079
traveled through an orb to another world after getting poked

1628
01:52:15,239 --> 01:52:19,840
with tree fall through his stomach. And you know, some

1629
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:26,079
of these stories are incredibly bizarre and out there, but

1630
01:52:26,199 --> 01:52:30,800
you really can't with the subject. You cannot discredit people.

1631
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:33,680
You cannot You have to hear everyone out, you know,

1632
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:35,600
And That's what.

1633
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do. I'm trying to give people the

1634
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:43,199
opportunity to do that. Man, and your story, your story

1635
01:52:43,239 --> 01:52:45,960
is one of the best ones I've ever heard, hands down.

1636
01:52:47,159 --> 01:52:48,760
I mean, the stuff that you went through as a

1637
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:53,680
teenager was absolutely terrifying. You know, and there's a lot

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of behavioral characteristics that you mentioned that you know, are

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kind of talked about around campfires amongst researchers. The hyena laughing,

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for instance, the spider crawling and all those things. Man,

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So I really do appreciate you reaching out to me

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and setting this up and coming on here and sharing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a blast.

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Speaker 2: And if you'd like to share your story about a

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bigfoot encounter or running with something else you can explain,

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send me an email a Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.

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Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find

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links to past episodes, merchandise, social media, everything you need

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all in one place. And until next time, remember there's

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something in the woods.