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<v Speaker 1>Welcome friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>And Grim at True Crime podcast morning my podcast contract listener.

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<v Speaker 1>Just watch.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can probably hear our tiny home vibrating away.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, we got well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we dropped that. We got a washer and dryer.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's literally like when it's spinning that we are,

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<v Speaker 1>like at a train station or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It pretty much vibrates our whole house because it's so small,

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<v Speaker 2>so it sends of vibrations through the entire thing. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're hearing vibrations, it is a poorly planned laundry

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<v Speaker 2>day mixed with recording for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't do that again.

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<v Speaker 2>But to get through that, I have this boom.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm drinking. I freaking made this shit myself, a

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<v Speaker 1>chy t latte made made.

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<v Speaker 2>With oat milk, with oat milk, like, look at me

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<v Speaker 2>go not because we don't have milk. We are lucky

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<v Speaker 2>that we have milk right now. We're not sure if

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<v Speaker 2>you guys have seen the news recently on living in

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<v Speaker 2>British Columbia. Yeah, but there is some disasters down near

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<v Speaker 2>the Vancouver and Okanagan region where flooding is rampid crazy floods.

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<v Speaker 2>It's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like if you see aerial shots or whatever, like

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<v Speaker 1>barns and stuff are almost like practically underwater.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Farms are flooded, animals are drowning. Road Vancouver is

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<v Speaker 2>completely cut up off. All the roadways heading north for

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<v Speaker 2>British Columbia I have all washed out the highways everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So people are mad rush buying at grocery stores panicking,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're fucking idiots because all of our groceries come

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<v Speaker 2>primarily east over in Alberta and none of those roadways

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<v Speaker 2>are cut off. Yeah, so people are.

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<v Speaker 1>Just are still ways to get up here. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that just almost shows because as people say,

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<v Speaker 1>like Vancouver is BC, it's like now everyone's showing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it is. Oh my gosh, we can't get to Vancouver.

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<v Speaker 1>We better go buy everything in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Grocery store exactly. And there's reports of people buying like

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<v Speaker 2>ten jugs of milk, Yeah, ten jugs of milk, so

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm four leaders or if you're in the state's gallons,

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<v Speaker 2>so ten gallon jugs of milk and currently and it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be like this for the next few days until

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<v Speaker 2>just trucks come in. Because they are coming in, there

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<v Speaker 2>is no produce, There is no meat, There is hardly

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<v Speaker 2>any dairy to purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>The shelves are like barren at the store. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>eer reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>And a stupid funny because in an apocalypse setting, what

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go do? Buy the perishable shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, are you fucking prepared?

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<v Speaker 2>You go for things like rice, beans, oats, canned food,

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<v Speaker 2>the non perishables that will last.

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<v Speaker 1>We bought one extra little bag of rice.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. That's it, because rice goes a long fucking

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<v Speaker 2>way and it lasts for fucking ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really does.

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<v Speaker 2>The only reason we bought that rice was just in

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<v Speaker 2>case people are stupid enough that they purchased the whole

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<v Speaker 2>fucking grocery stores and we just need something.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so that's that's that's what we're dealing with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're just like a pound of rice. We're good

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<v Speaker 2>to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea if that if Canada News is

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<v Speaker 1>if it is shown much in the US, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been going worldwide, Okay, Okay, Yeah, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So to all you guys out there who are

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<v Speaker 2>just learning on where we live, we live in Northern

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<v Speaker 2>British Columbia, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Chaos right now, but not as chaos as it is

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<v Speaker 1>down so well, yeah, where the floods are actually happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just people up here being dumb exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the summer BC deals with forest fires and

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<v Speaker 2>now apparently in the winter it's rampaging floods.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't get a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well that aside that, we do have some good

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<v Speaker 2>news to share. We are actually a little bit ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of schedule. Yeah, so good job to you me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only because I'm going away though, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But still rather than recording the last minute.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a week ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow, high five to that. Maybe we can actually

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<v Speaker 2>relax a little bit rather than panicking to get some research.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually feels kind of nice. I'm not gonna lie,

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<v Speaker 1>so I would like to try doing this going for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but we do have currently one patron to thank

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<v Speaker 2>because we're halfway through the week. There's probably there might

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<v Speaker 2>be another one or two that pop up in the meantime.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll be thanking next episode if that is the case.

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<v Speaker 2>But Kyla Snyder, thank you very much for being a

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<v Speaker 2>patron on our patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that name actually right.

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<v Speaker 2>She signed up print all Access patreonage.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're awesome. Thank you very much, Kyla. You're the bomb

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<v Speaker 2>the bomb dot com, the bomb dot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cool to say. I don't think so, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>All I know is on Wicked Andgrim dot com. You

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<v Speaker 2>may be finding merch coming soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, whoa, I didn't even plan that ship. That was

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<v Speaker 1>super good.

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<v Speaker 2>We fucking rule holy shit. Yeah, I'm actually working on

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<v Speaker 2>drawing up designs right now. I've had a couple like

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<v Speaker 2>sketches done out before. I'm solidifying some designs right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So hopefully in the next coming weeks, maybe two three

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<v Speaker 2>weeks tops, we should have stuff on our website so

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<v Speaker 2>you can purchase some stickers t shirts that sort of think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because if you didn't know, Ben's like about as

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<v Speaker 1>creative as you can get, and he is very artistic

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<v Speaker 1>and he's drawing the ship up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a bit of an artsy, fartsy individual.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to say I'm I'm an amateur artist.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're just awesome. I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm pretty fucking awesome too.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it works great.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. You ready to move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, Oh my goodness, I'm like all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>nervous because this case is just like eek, I almost

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<v Speaker 1>don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To do it anymore, ready for this one? Because you

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<v Speaker 2>been trembling over researching this one's aura throughout the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Well thanks, just a little like storm crowded cloud above

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<v Speaker 1>our tiny home this week because of this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently there's been a storm cloud every time we research.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like just because I mean, it's dark. Shit,

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<v Speaker 2>it's depressing. Ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I need to come up with some way

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<v Speaker 1>of like decompressing actually after I research maybe yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>maybe i'll sart. Yeah, you know what I should bake

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<v Speaker 1>after I do heavy care.

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<v Speaker 2>You should?

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>You can bake and I can drink and you can

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<v Speaker 2>eat it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the case that I'm covering, I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>if we dropped a hint.

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<v Speaker 2>We did to our patrons, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so it's Luca Magnata, Luca Magnada saying that

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<v Speaker 1>name is kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was based off the Netflix documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get into all that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not based off in Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a Netflix.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a Netflix documentary based on this case. Gotcha?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I've actually had this case on my list

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<v Speaker 1>for some time now, ever since I did the Barbie

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<v Speaker 1>and Ken killer's case. Because there will be some mention

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<v Speaker 1>of Carla Homolka in this case, okay, and there's mention

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<v Speaker 1>of some similarities. This case has the to the Dexter

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<v Speaker 1>killer case that I also covered way back in episode seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sweet. It's not a lot, but basically killers using

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<v Speaker 1>social media to their advantage to find victims, and then

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<v Speaker 1>how it also opens up their audience globally, just like

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<v Speaker 1>the internet's a dark, terrible place.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's fucking dark as shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like scary.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have a question, or not a question, more

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<v Speaker 2>so a statement. Sure, actually kind of a question everyone

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<v Speaker 2>out there who's listening right now? Are you aware that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a new season of Dexter coming out? And

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<v Speaker 2>are you excited as we are for it? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, we're so fucking okay, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>already out? Is it not my now? And here you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're so excited, we don't even know it's out.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you fucking kidding? I thought it was just the

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<v Speaker 2>were No, it's not I can't it is you need

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<v Speaker 2>to google that? Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? And was it a whole series or just one episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's a new season. Oh shit, really as far

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm aware. Oh okay, I'm typing this up right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well I might as well as should. I just

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<v Speaker 1>wait for you to get this ship together here, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're pretty dang excited about the Dexter. Actually i'm too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I think I was more obsessed with Dexter than

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<v Speaker 1>you were.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you might have been actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I love it, love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's out, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it not? But it's not. We don't get that

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<v Speaker 1>station or whatever. I don't know how to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not too sure the station. But yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>started releasing on the seventh. I thought it. Wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was like coming soon. Not sure it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Well we're going to be watching that.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta blow my nose because I'm sniffling. So can

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<v Speaker 2>we pause this for one sec then get into your case?

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<v Speaker 1>Done?

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<v Speaker 2>Cool? Okay, I'm good. Wait am I unplugged?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't hear anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Test? Test? Okay, there we go, We're good. Sorry, headphonees unplugged.

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<v Speaker 1>We're good now, Okay, we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so nose is blown, dexter research done, we're plugged

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<v Speaker 2>back in, we can hear.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight, let's go onto your case.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, what a roller coaster. Okay, So who

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<v Speaker 1>is Luca Magnada? Well, do tell We like to cover

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<v Speaker 1>the victim story as much as possible, and we will be.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't be confused because Luca is not the victim

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, but rather literally one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting human beings I've ever learned about, like disgusting cool beans.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm intrigued. I'm terrified actually by that premise. But here

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<v Speaker 2>we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Luca was born on July twenty fourth, nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 1>in Scarborough, Ontario. At the time of his birth, he

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<v Speaker 1>was known as Eric Clinton Kirk Newman. It wasn't until

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six that he changed his name to

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<v Speaker 1>Luca Magnada. He's the eldest of three children. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go into a lot of detail about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but like in many of the cases we cover, he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the best upbringing. I feel like we literally

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's kind of sad. It's an unfortunate almost

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<v Speaker 1>I no, it's really sad. His parents split when he

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<v Speaker 1>and grandpa, but then they would also later split, so

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 1>He was homeschooled for a period of time to protect

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's not inaccurate. I mean, it's pretty fucking dirty

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<v Speaker 1>But I just find that I don't know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>But I find that, like so incredibly ironic because considering

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough, Okay, so I'm just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, No. He did attend high school from nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>eight to two thousand, and was remembered by teachers and

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's a little pretty boy, you know, likes to

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<v Speaker 2>look good. There's nothing wrong with had I mean, there isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing wrong, But I think he was like, you

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<v Speaker 1>will get more into it. He's like obsess. Luca did

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be an actor, but when that didn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to pan out for him, he went a different route.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and two or two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in that area, he would start stripping at Remington's,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a nightclub in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, little Chippendale actions Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>He also would appear in some porn films as a

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<v Speaker 1>straight man turned to gay, adopting the name Jimmy, which

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<v Speaker 2>Escort service, Jimmy, gotcha, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, Little Jimmy. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's a great escort name, Little Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I guess not.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Big Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and four is what so okay, sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand and four is when Luca's basically like assholeness

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<v Speaker 2>Ahold, okay, his assholeness, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Until this point, it's not like horrific. So what happened

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<v Speaker 1>is he befriended a twenty one year old woman and

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<v Speaker 1>convinces her to apply for credit cards to then go

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<v Speaker 1>and rack them up himself. Unfortunately, this woman, however, had

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of mental disability and had the mental capacity

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<v Speaker 1>of an eight to twelve year old, so he fully

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<v Speaker 2>What a douche canoe like?

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<v Speaker 1>That's brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one thing to take advantage of someone like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but then to take someone take advantage of someone with

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<v Speaker 2>a disability is like a jillion times worse.

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<v Speaker 1>He racked up neither nearly ten thousand dollars worth of

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<v Speaker 1>credit card debt.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what what a dick?

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<v Speaker 1>He does get charged with fraud. But the real kicker

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<v Speaker 1>with this incident is that he apparently also videotaped him

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<v Speaker 1>sexually assaulting this woman. But those chargers were dropped before

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<v Speaker 1>the case went to trial, and I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were dropped, His lawyer later saying the decision

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<v Speaker 1>changed the course of Luca's life immeasurably, with huge ramifications

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<v Speaker 1>to our society eventually inevitably. Sorry, Okay, this like if

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like if he got had to serve justice

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<v Speaker 1>for that, this restless case could potentially be a lot differently,

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<v Speaker 1>or history could.

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<v Speaker 2>Be understandable or understandable. I wonder if, because of the

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<v Speaker 2>way the case actually turned out, if he I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to grudge or something towards society for the

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<v Speaker 2>sentence he did serve, or the label he had put

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<v Speaker 2>on him for what he did sort of thing and

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<v Speaker 2>made him worse because of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I just think maybe if he

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<v Speaker 1>got like help that he needed, if he didn't end

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<v Speaker 1>up going to jail or whatever, there could have been

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<v Speaker 1>some rehabilitation gotcha that time. And like that's just my thought,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense. Yeah, And hopefully that anyone who does

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<v Speaker 2>undergo any sort of imprisonment or sentencing like that, they

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<v Speaker 2>do get the rehabilitation they need.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know so. In two thousand and five, Luca

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<v Speaker 1>pleads guilty and is convicted of four fraud charges. He

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<v Speaker 1>has only given nine months of community service and twelve

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<v Speaker 1>months of probation. It was revealed, however, in a medical

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<v Speaker 1>report that Luca had significant psychiatric issues. As the judge

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<v Speaker 1>was issuing his sentence, she said to Luca, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a medical problem and you need to always take medication.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do not, your life is going to get

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<v Speaker 1>messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. If that's not foreshadowing. I know, Hey, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times that we talk about cases too where

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<v Speaker 2>people are off their medication, right, goes out, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, who who's forcing them to take this their medication?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you for someone?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't, but they need to be medicated, or their life,

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<v Speaker 1>like she said.

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<v Speaker 2>Is going to get messed up, or someone else's life.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that is some serious foreshadowing. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>letting you all, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck, And that's something you can't regulate that. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>force someone to take that medication, even if you try,

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<v Speaker 2>like say you do implement having to force them to

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<v Speaker 2>take medication just for the sake of conversation. How the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck are you going to implement that? How are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to ensure someone takes their medication every day at

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<v Speaker 2>fucking I don't know? Seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I feel like unless they were in like a facility, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have someone who's just an everyday civilian,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you going to implement that? Can't unless you

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<v Speaker 2>get a microchip inside everyone through a vaccine.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, No, we're not even going there. That

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<v Speaker 1>is just appalling.

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<v Speaker 2>No, my bad, Luca.

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<v Speaker 1>Continues, to appear in low level porn films, and also

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<v Speaker 1>appears in Fab Fab magazine, which is a gay bi

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<v Speaker 1>weekly magazine from Toronto, appearing as Jimmy He's describes himself

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<v Speaker 1>as a twenty two year old soccer fan born what

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<v Speaker 1>born in Russia? I'm sorry, I know, I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>boring you that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's it's late, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Late, okay, twenty two year old soccer fan born in Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>currently living in Toronto, with hopes of becoming a homicide

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<v Speaker 1>police officer.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe take police officer out of there, just a homicide individual, homicidal.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just so many like cringey things with this case.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like, oh my goodness. Okay. In early two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>Luca would meet and start dating a transgendered woman named Barbie.

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<v Speaker 1>Their relationship lasted several months, but Barbie ends up breaking

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<v Speaker 1>up with Luca, saying he was basically obsessed with himself

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<v Speaker 1>and obsessed with wanting to be famous. One day, his

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<v Speaker 1>apartment was a shrine dedicated to himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Like not someone you would want to be in a relationship. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>probably not, but I almost say that Barbie dodged a

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<v Speaker 1>bullet because it would go just downhill from there, and

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<v Speaker 1>like she didn't have to be a part of it. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is some irony in that though, because I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Barbie stereotypically having that like perfect me sort of image,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as it's Barbie's history anyways. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Barbie saying that you're too obsessed with yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I never thought of that. Okay, So to

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about Luca's obsession with himself because it was strong,

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<v Speaker 1>mighty strong, and his session with getting famous. He auditions

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<v Speaker 1>for the reality shows Cover Guy and Plastic Makes Perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Plastic Makes Perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently that's the show. I don't I meant to look

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<v Speaker 1>that up. I don't know if that's still a show,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, well, I think we can assume what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, I think there's still shows out there like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, to each their own. It's definitely not my forte.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm not I'm not against anyone getting plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I personally would, but like it

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<v Speaker 1>can go too far too.

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<v Speaker 2>I think boob jobs are good. Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to boo.

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<v Speaker 1>You actually just say that. I know it's just okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so where that cam? I I watch Okay, I watch

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<v Speaker 1>these additions and it was like, I don't know, just

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<v Speaker 1>listening to him speak and like talk, it was just

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<v Speaker 1>crims really almost. It's one thing to have confidence, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all for, but he had this just like arrogance

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<v Speaker 1>about him with which I'm not into. Apparently neither with

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<v Speaker 1>the judges, because he never got chosen for either of them.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells Cover Guy judges that some people say, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>devastt devstinittly good.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking, devastatingly good looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah wow, okay, that's an interesting way to like present yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's cover Guy, is what he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's selling himself, right, ye, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Selling himself to the job, like that's that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the position.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and with the plastic makes perfect people. He tells

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<v Speaker 1>them about are where Okay, whoa I wrote that? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote that way wrong. So he basically tells them

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<v Speaker 1>that he's like all about his looks and he's about

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<v Speaker 1>perfecting them. He's had an oh's job done, two hair transplants,

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<v Speaker 1>and was planning on having muscle implants in his pecks

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<v Speaker 1>and arms, okay, which is like so interesting because whenn't

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<v Speaker 1>you just like like you just I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>if I should say this. I was like, you just

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<v Speaker 1>go to the gym, right, and like tone up that

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<v Speaker 1>I make them bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen people with muscle implants, and to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very obviously implants. But again, to each their own.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's what they want, yeah, then I mean, go

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<v Speaker 2>for it. It's not my thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also seen an ass implants too. Was I with you?

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<v Speaker 1>We were at like an airport. I was at an

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<v Speaker 1>airport and stuff. I don't know, some person had ass

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<v Speaker 1>implants and it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like whoa, like a good woe? No oh no, never mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I was like maybe she got some cake. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it was just like a little too much, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's no such thing as too much.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a little too much.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no such thing as too much cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. And Luca's obsession to get famous, He also goes

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<v Speaker 1>about creating an online persona for himself, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>like beyond interesting, creating numerous fan pages about himself, and

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<v Speaker 1>by numerous, I mean like hundreds, holy shit of fan pages.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he goes one set further and creates fake

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<v Speaker 1>fans to basically comment on these fan pages. So like

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<v Speaker 1>each fan page I feel like only had like ten

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty people in it. But if you read through

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<v Speaker 1>enough comments on these fan pages, you start to see

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<v Speaker 1>some similarities of the comments gotcha that were like written

429
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<v Speaker 1>and it was pretty obvious that it wasn't It wasn't

430
00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.200
<v Speaker 1>numerous people like leaving these comments. I don't know, I

431
00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:26.279
<v Speaker 1>just think that's funny.

432
00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Fake it till you make it. I guess, I'm not sure.

433
00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Ciche tuche. This is also where we get to Carla Homoco.

434
00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:37.359
<v Speaker 1>So he created a rumor that he was dating Carla

435
00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:39.920
<v Speaker 1>because at this point, from what I could tell, there

436
00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:43.160
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be anyone else out there creating rumors about him.

437
00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:47.440
<v Speaker 1>So he creates this rumor that he's dating Carla and

438
00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:51.480
<v Speaker 1>then drops into the Toronto Sun talks to reporter Joe

439
00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:56.240
<v Speaker 1>Warmington to basically deny the online rumors and talk about

440
00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.039
<v Speaker 1>how they were destroying his life.

441
00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, So yeah, he's trying to implement himself in

442
00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.759
<v Speaker 2>some articles and get fame that way. Yeah, okay, I

443
00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:08.000
<v Speaker 2>mean smart, I mean it's just.

444
00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.000
<v Speaker 1>A serious like desperation to get attention. Really yeah, Like

445
00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it's it's serious.

446
00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I should I should clarify. It's not smart, it's crafty.

447
00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's using his noodle. Yeah, so in twenty ten

448
00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:24.440
<v Speaker 1>would be the year Lucago was a bit darker online.

449
00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to talk about it. Up to this point,

450
00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:33.559
<v Speaker 1>his fake fan pages weren't exactly hurting anyone, but what

451
00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:38.839
<v Speaker 1>he does next is disgusting and basically something that I

452
00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:42.599
<v Speaker 1>avoided learning about until this point. You may have heard

453
00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:45.720
<v Speaker 1>about the Netflix three part series Here we Go, Don't

454
00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Fuck with Cats. Yeah you haven't watched that, have you? No?

455
00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I haven't. Have you watched it for the researching this? Oh?

456
00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

457
00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

458
00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately yeah, oh our fern is kicked in.

459
00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:56.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you can hear that in our mics.

460
00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>But well, the title is unfortunately very accurate. I actually

461
00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:05.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't even realize that the show was about Luca until

462
00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I started researching. I knew of Luca's later events, but

463
00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I did not know if anything I've already mentioned or

464
00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>what it's to come involving the cats and trigger warning,

465
00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:20.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm about to talk about some extreme animal cruelty, which,

466
00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:25.039
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, Okay, I avoid animal cruelty at all

467
00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:26.440
<v Speaker 1>because it's just like I just can't.

468
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:29.200
<v Speaker 2>But here we are I get triggered by animal cruelty.

469
00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Does that mean I can leave? Sure, I can go.

470
00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll just talk to the people about it.

471
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:35.640
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm in it with you.

472
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:37.799
<v Speaker 1>I think i've but I'm pretty sure that I already

473
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:39.559
<v Speaker 1>told you because I had to get it off my chest.

474
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Did tell me one as far as I could.

475
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<v Speaker 1>I just like I use like a cattle in anymore.

476
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<v Speaker 2>The thing with animal cruelty is it's they're so defenseless.

477
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<v Speaker 2>Not that many human victims or any human victims are

478
00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:59.599
<v Speaker 2>or are not defenseless. We are like the saviors, or

479
00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.759
<v Speaker 2>we are are the companions, we are all these things

480
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.559
<v Speaker 2>for animals. We choose so much for what their life is,

481
00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:10.759
<v Speaker 2>so they are helpless to the situation and you just.

482
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Look into their little eyes and they're just so innocent. Sweet.

483
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:16.799
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, how could you hurt one?

484
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And so harming such innocence, it's it's it's disgusting.

485
00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:30.440
<v Speaker 2>It's equivalent in my opinion, to harming an infant. Yeah,

486
00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:33.680
<v Speaker 2>because there's nothing, but they rely on you for everything,

487
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:34.400
<v Speaker 2>and they're so weny.

488
00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:37.440
<v Speaker 1>You are there, You're there everything, literally, you're there everything.

489
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's it's equivalent to harming infants to me.

490
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, here we go. So on December twenty ten, Luca

491
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:53.160
<v Speaker 1>uploads a video titled one Guy, Two Kittens. The video

492
00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:57.440
<v Speaker 1>shows an identified man, Luca, but his face is never

493
00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>really shown, placing two kittens and one of the vacuum

494
00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:04.519
<v Speaker 1>bags designed for storage that you can suck the air

495
00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.119
<v Speaker 1>out of. So he places these two kittens in the bag,

496
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and you can imagine, attaches a vacuum to the bag

497
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and suffocates the kittens.

498
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.279
<v Speaker 2>This guy's a piece of shit, Like it's just.

499
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:20.079
<v Speaker 1>My heart is like sinking as I'm having to read

500
00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that shit because it's just sotly shit.

501
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:23.680
<v Speaker 2>And this is something that I that I told you

502
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:25.440
<v Speaker 2>because this is the one thing you did tell me

503
00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:28.799
<v Speaker 2>of the animal cruelty that he did, and I told you,

504
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.759
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to talk about it with you guys

505
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>as well.

506
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.200
<v Speaker 1>So no, we don't need to talk about that.

507
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:38.400
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm going to fair trigger warning on the animal cruelty.

508
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm going a little deeper into this vacuum ceiling. It's

509
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.599
<v Speaker 2>not that those cats would have just suffered suffocation. The

510
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.200
<v Speaker 2>vacuum ceiling process would have collapsed. Their lungs. It would

511
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.039
<v Speaker 2>have sucked the oxygen right out of their bodies. And

512
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:57.960
<v Speaker 2>their bodies so it's not just they suffocated, they were

513
00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:03.759
<v Speaker 2>quite literally tortured as that auction was stripped from their lungs.

514
00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:06.599
<v Speaker 1>Like a nasty human being. To have even someone think

515
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:09.720
<v Speaker 1>about doing something like that and then actually going and

516
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:13.359
<v Speaker 1>doing that to two innocent little creatures is just yeah,

517
00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:16.559
<v Speaker 1>it's just disgusting. This guy I got We already are

518
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.680
<v Speaker 1>just done with him. We're just done. The video was

519
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:24.200
<v Speaker 1>apparently quickly removed because of its contents, but this is

520
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 1>where it gets quite interesting. Though. Was quickly removed, but really,

521
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.720
<v Speaker 1>is anything actually removed from the Internet.

522
00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:33.319
<v Speaker 2>On the Internet, it's always.

523
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.079
<v Speaker 1>There were many individuals who wanted nothing more than to

524
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>track down this person and get justice for those kittens,

525
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:44.400
<v Speaker 1>because apparently you don't fuck with kittens.

526
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:47.960
<v Speaker 2>The Internet loves its kittens and puppies.

527
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I know. Hey. An online group was formed to seek

528
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen killer, and some of these people treated the

529
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.759
<v Speaker 1>sekh like it was their freaking job, like they were

530
00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.599
<v Speaker 1>going to catch this mofo. It was Ryan Boy, a

531
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.079
<v Speaker 1>former US soldier, who formed the Facebook group which is

532
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>called Find the Vacuum kitten killer for great justice. The

533
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:12.039
<v Speaker 1>article I was reading said about four thousand people had

534
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>signed up, and I'm thinking that was just initially because

535
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:17.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm a creeper, and I went and searched for this

536
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>group today and over three thirty thousand were part of

537
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the group. But I'm assuming like a ton of people

538
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 1>probably went and joined after the Netflix. Yeah, doc came

539
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>out right. Many people within the group using aliases to

540
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:38.319
<v Speaker 1>conceal their identity, including Luca himself of course, breaking bastard,

541
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.200
<v Speaker 1>it was believed at one point in time he was

542
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:46.279
<v Speaker 1>part of the group. I'm sure loving the attention his

543
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>disturbing video was bringing to the Internet. A few days

544
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:54.599
<v Speaker 1>after the video is posted, a five thousand dollars award

545
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 1>was posted from Rescue Ink in hopes of finding the

546
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>animal abuser. As a founding member of the group put it,

547
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.519
<v Speaker 1>animal abuse is a gateway crime. When somebody starts to

548
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:10.799
<v Speaker 1>open that door, that's when things start to get very dangerous.

549
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I can imagine. It seems like a lot of prolific

550
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 2>killers started off young with.

551
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Animals, which is disgusting, really disgusting. As the main group

552
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>grew too large, a few of the main members branched

553
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 1>off to form a new group of eleven members called

554
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the Animal Beta Project. Their number one goal to stop

555
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Luca before he kills again, and they meant business the

556
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>time commitment they put into analyzing every detail in the

557
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>kitten killing video frame by frame, finding out where the

558
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 1>blanket on Luca's bed was from the vacuum he used,

559
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>initially determining the unidentified man to be located in North

560
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>America basically by those items and like they're also looking

561
00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.480
<v Speaker 1>at like outlets on the wall and stuff, right, and

562
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.839
<v Speaker 1>that can kind of determine where someone's from. They did

563
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>eventually an anonymous tip that the person they were looking

564
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>for was Luca Magnata, and from then on they were

565
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>able to have a focus. And because of Luca's obsession

566
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>with himself and getting famous, there was not a lack

567
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>of information out there about him, but not a lot

568
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>of it was true either. They claimed that furniture and

569
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 1>the kitten killer's clothing matched other images found that Luca

570
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:31.799
<v Speaker 1>had posted. The next struggle was finding where Luca lived, though,

571
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 1>but they were able to find this too by using

572
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:39.839
<v Speaker 1>exchangeable image file data from pictures uploaded and posted by

573
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Luca that would tell them where the photo was taken.

574
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I like information attached the photo, right. Luca was pretty

575
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>smart with these things, though, and seemed to cover his

576
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>bases very well, often even misleading investigators down rabbit holes

577
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 1>that didn't need to be visited, like he wanted to

578
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 1>waste people's fucking time. But there are also hundreds of

579
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.480
<v Speaker 1>photos uploaded, and there was bound to be one that

580
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>he forgot to take that day that dad off.

581
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, for sure.

582
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>They found one from October twenty ten, taken on a

583
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.880
<v Speaker 1>cell phone and stamped with a GPS locator, and it

584
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:23.359
<v Speaker 1>showed that Luca was located in the Toronto area, and

585
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>with more digging, they were able to locate his apartment

586
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:28.759
<v Speaker 1>building and his address.

587
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, Like, I don't.

588
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Want this dude to be Canadian. Go somewhere else.

589
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't want you, no kidding, But I'm really

590
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 2>curious if it's going to be like these Internet sluices

591
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that are the ones knocking on his door, or if they're.

592
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Going to be No, they never got like that involved.

593
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>They would just be presenting information to like authorities, I guess. Okay,

594
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>So the group contacted the Ontario Society for the Prevention

595
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 1>of Cruelty to Animals with all their findings, who then

596
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>reached out to the Toronto Police and a file was

597
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 1>opened on Luca and Bebrure of twenty eleven. However, nothing

598
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 1>would come up. This what the police did, though, visit

599
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>the address that Luca did live and he he was

600
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.119
<v Speaker 1>a resident there at one point, so I was thinking,

601
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>what's the word resident? He was a resident there at

602
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>one point, but apparently he had since moved to Russia,

603
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>so their hands were basically tied.

604
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Had he actually moved to Russia?

605
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>He had? Actually there was like a new tenant in there,

606
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:39.319
<v Speaker 1>and so was the groups. Everything began to settle with

607
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>little more evidence to research and look.

608
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.799
<v Speaker 2>At, until until.

609
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Two new kitten videos were released. Ah this fucker, Like, no, no, no.

610
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Same account or is it new accounts?

611
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 1>Right? I don't even know that. Okay, yeah, I wasn't

612
00:31:58.119 --> 00:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>going to like, I didn't want to accidentally come acro

613
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>He's nasty videos, honestly, and the rage I felt like

614
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>learning about these videos, this is so strong. It was

615
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>basically a year since the original kitten killing video was released,

616
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 1>the one, and I'm going into some detail. The one

617
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:19.480
<v Speaker 1>video showed a man wearing a Sanda hat and placing

618
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>a kitten on a bed, but on this particular bed

619
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>was a python, so no explanation is really needed there.

620
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:28.359
<v Speaker 1>So you can imagine what.

621
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Happens with that one that it's not good. Still, at

622
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.599
<v Speaker 2>least it's kind of animal and animal, you know.

623
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>It's well, that's like that would happen in nature.

624
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, I don't know, though I'm not happy about it,

625
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong, And that dude's still a fucking

626
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:48.119
<v Speaker 2>asshole for doing that.

627
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:53.559
<v Speaker 1>But okay, well the next this next one, I feel like,

628
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's just as worse as the other one.

629
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's just worse. So the second one

630
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>has a oh fucking duct taped to a broom handle.

631
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.119
<v Speaker 1>It shows the broom and cat hovering over a bathtub

632
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 1>full of water.

633
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Fuck.

634
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>The cat is then submerged in the bath until the

635
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.279
<v Speaker 1>poor thing drowns.

636
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 2>This fucking guy holy shit.

637
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh my gosh, I'm sweating. It's disgusting. The documentaries

638
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I watched. So besides the Netflix one, there's also a

639
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Fifth of State one. They showed clips of the videos,

640
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>just little clips, and I was just like, oh my god,

641
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 1>and I will just never be able to get the

642
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.279
<v Speaker 1>visual of the fear in the cat's eyes that was

643
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 1>taped to the broom handle. Out of my mind, like it.

644
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>It just was a lot.

645
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't want to watch.

646
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>You can't. You just don't. Don't even watch well, I

647
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 1>mean the documentaries are really good, but just listen to them.

648
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Maybe listen, Yeah, just listen. He was back taunting everyone

649
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.359
<v Speaker 1>with these new videos, but this awoke the group with

650
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>a vengeance and they were back at it trying to

651
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>solve the mystery of who this asshole was. The new

652
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 1>release of the videos also brought some attention from the press.

653
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>The Sun in London, England ran a story called Catch

654
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the Sicko who fed a kitten to a python. From this,

655
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.159
<v Speaker 1>one of the journalists at the Sun gets anonymous message

656
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.760
<v Speaker 1>letting them know the person they're looking for is currently

657
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 1>in London and where they were staying. So the journalist

658
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>decides to go play pay a visit, pay him a

659
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.840
<v Speaker 1>visit and records his encounter. Luca obviously denies what the

660
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.519
<v Speaker 1>journalist is accusing him of killing kittens, saying he was

661
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 1>framed like fuck off. Shortly after this encounter, the reporter

662
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:48.079
<v Speaker 1>would receive an email believed to be from Luca saying

663
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>next time you hear from me, it will be in

664
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a movie I'm producing that will have some humans in it,

665
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:55.400
<v Speaker 1>not just pussies.

666
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

667
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.519
<v Speaker 1>So some super alarming foreshadowing right now?

668
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:02.480
<v Speaker 2>They no kidding.

669
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>The London police were notified but said it was outside

670
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 1>their jurisdiction. Fuck, because like right there, I just feel like,

671
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>could something else not have been done? Like that's like

672
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a threat to just like society.

673
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is it not that's a threat to human life.

674
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to any human really.

675
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.119
<v Speaker 2>So out of your jurisdiction. Sure, okay maybe yeah, great,

676
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 2>contact who's in that fucking area and whose problem it

677
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>will be to deal with? Luca?

678
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, because it could say it could have saved

679
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:40.599
<v Speaker 1>a life. So Luca then moves back to Canada and

680
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:44.000
<v Speaker 1>set I was in Montreal, as the online investigators would

681
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>find out in early twenty twelve, which brings me to

682
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Luca's next video, which was posted in May twenty twelve,

683
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:59.519
<v Speaker 1>titled one Lunatic one ice pick fuck fuck, And the

684
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.760
<v Speaker 1>victim of this video was not a kitten, but a

685
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 1>human like Luca had last promised. The victim was Julin,

686
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.679
<v Speaker 1>an international student in the engineering and computer science faculty

687
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 1>at the corn Oh, how did we say that again?

688
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Concordia Concordia University in Montreal, Quebec.

689
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Sorry.

690
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:27.679
<v Speaker 1>He was last seen on May twenty fourth and failed

691
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 1>to appear at work the next day. The video of

692
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.880
<v Speaker 1>his murder was posted on May twenty twenty fifth. The

693
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:39.679
<v Speaker 1>online investigators so like the people I can't remember, the

694
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>beta people or whatever, found a Craigslist ad that Luca

695
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>had posted looking for a sexy man, and it is

696
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.199
<v Speaker 1>believed that this is how Julin met Luca.

697
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Stay off Craigslist people. Craigslist's sketch was still even nothing.

698
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it is.

699
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it probably is. The video shows Julian

700
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>bound on a bed, initially alive and then lifeless. It

701
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.079
<v Speaker 1>shows someone repeatedly stabbing his body with an ice pick

702
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and then dismembering the body with a knife. Evidence of

703
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:22.639
<v Speaker 1>a sedative was in Julian Oh sorry, sedative city sedative Sorry,

704
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 1>was in Julian's system and in a wine bottle later found.

705
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>So the hope is that he didn't feel the incredible

706
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:32.599
<v Speaker 1>pain inflicted on him.

707
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, that's would be the only silver lining there,

708
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I think.

709
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Julian's remains would not be found until May

710
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth, with his body being found in numerous stages.

711
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 1>And this is like the part that I kind of

712
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:53.760
<v Speaker 1>knew about. So first that was found was his torso

713
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 1>it was found in the back alley, and I believe

714
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Luca's apartment building by the janitor is found inside a

715
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.800
<v Speaker 1>lock suitcase with many puncture wounds to the body, but

716
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:10.679
<v Speaker 1>no head and all limbs had been removed. Fuck, like,

717
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that's discussed. So sick, but so discross. Initially, the police

718
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>thought Luca was the deceased because as they searched the

719
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>garbage bend next to where the suitcase was found, they

720
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:28.639
<v Speaker 1>came across paperwork with Luca's information on it, including his address.

721
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 1>When they went to check the apartment, it was clear

722
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 1>but smelled oddly clean. They needed to obtain a warrant

723
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>to do a deep search of the apartment, and when

724
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:44.079
<v Speaker 1>they did, there was evidence of blood splatter being all

725
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>over like you could frickin' imagine. Surveillance footage the night

726
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>of the murder. Murder also saw Luca making dozens of

727
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 1>trips down to the garbage in the middle of the night.

728
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:02.639
<v Speaker 1>He sure didn't hide it, well, Hey, no, like he

729
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't really at all.

730
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Then he went through a lot of trouble of hiding

731
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>his online stuff, which is strange that he didn't do

732
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 2>it when it came to the time of actual physical evidence.

733
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Sure he cleaned up great, but then he just dumped

734
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.280
<v Speaker 2>everything in the dumpster of his apartment building.

735
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I know, it doesn't really make any sense.

736
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:17.760
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't.

737
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:23.039
<v Speaker 1>So Julan's limbs were found in the garbage that neither

738
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.320
<v Speaker 1>of his hands, feet, are head were found, So just

739
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like just the limb, I don't even know. Yeah, you

740
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.599
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. I'm not going to describe that anymore.

741
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:37.280
<v Speaker 1>But they would be found first, one being on May

742
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth, which is the same day the suitcase was

743
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.559
<v Speaker 1>actually found, when a mysterious package arrived via mail to

744
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:48.079
<v Speaker 1>the headquarters of the Conservative Party in Ottawa. A receptionis

745
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 1>opening the mail finding a severed foot.

746
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Fuck, why have I not heard of that?

747
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Have you not heard of that? No? Oh my gosh.

748
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>He'd also taken a time to wrote to write a

749
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 1>poem to go along with the foot. It says roses

750
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:08.360
<v Speaker 1>are red, violets are blue. Police will need dental file

751
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>to identify you, bitch.

752
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:12.480
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

753
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.840
<v Speaker 1>My that's is one of those fucked up poems. I

754
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>mean that you'll ever read it?

755
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Who is he exactly addressing?

756
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Just probably like investigators and shit? Right?

757
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know because like.

758
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.599
<v Speaker 1>You get this foot like, what are the police going

759
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>to do? Like I don't, like they can't how can

760
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>they can't identify someone from it?

761
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah? But you it's very particular to one.

762
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:39.679
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know, Maybe I'm just looking too deep

763
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:42.079
<v Speaker 2>into it, but it seems like it's sing singling someone out,

764
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.679
<v Speaker 2>especially considering bitch. Not you bitches need.

765
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Dental file to identify you. They're you being juilant?

766
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, see, yeah, I thought it was like he's sending

767
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:56.079
<v Speaker 2>it to someone in particular, like someone of government or

768
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:57.159
<v Speaker 2>parliament or something like that.

769
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:03.840
<v Speaker 1>No, so this bringing the attention of the world to him.

770
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.840
<v Speaker 1>It being very obvious that Luca was not the victim

771
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.280
<v Speaker 1>but rather the suspect and officially being named as so

772
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:14.239
<v Speaker 1>on May thirtieth. Aside from what I've already mentioned above,

773
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>they also saw surveillance footage of Luca at Canada posts

774
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:22.719
<v Speaker 1>dropping off the mysterious packages. It was more than one.

775
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 1>They later had surveillance footage of Juln entering the apartment

776
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:32.320
<v Speaker 1>with Luca to never come out. Julian was not officially

777
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 1>recognized as being the victim until June via detective searching

778
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>through missing person reports. So now to touch on those

779
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 1>mail packages, Luca also mailed a package to the Liberals

780
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.039
<v Speaker 1>and don't fuck with Cats. There's a news clip of

781
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Justin Trudeau, pre Prime minister, speaking of the incident, which

782
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:56.079
<v Speaker 1>I thought was interesting.

783
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 2>How did he do?

784
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I actually think I might have skim him past that because.

785
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember, because no one in Canada really

786
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 2>fucking cares.

787
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 1>We rude, We just hear a lot from him. Apparently

788
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't trigger anything in me anymore. So two packages

789
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>were also mailed to two schools. Oh and this is

790
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>funny that you even heard about it, because the schools, dude,

791
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>were in Vancouver, BC.

792
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Why have I not heard it?

793
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know I had heard it, That's the part

794
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.079
<v Speaker 1>I heard him, because that's some fucked up ship that

795
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>he literally cut off hands and feet and fucking goes

796
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to the post office and mails the ship to places

797
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:36.000
<v Speaker 1>like what the fuck?

798
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.719
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of fucked up that I actually made it

799
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.679
<v Speaker 2>through the mail system and not being picked up or anything.

800
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.519
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I don't know, and I honestly have no idea

801
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>why he mailed them to the schools in Vancouver, but like,

802
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.280
<v Speaker 1>can you just leave be c out of the ship

803
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.159
<v Speaker 1>And because I didn't know where else to put this to,

804
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Julian's head was found much later by a lake in

805
00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:00.840
<v Speaker 1>a by a lake in a Montreal park. Fuck. So

806
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean at least that shit wasn't mailed, I guess,

807
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 1>But also like, huh, are you just like running around

808
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Montreal with his head in the backpack? Like excuse me?

809
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:17.360
<v Speaker 2>So Julian's remains were all eventually found though, correct, Yeah

810
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 2>that's good at least.

811
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were, but in like I mean the suitcase,

812
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the dumpster for packages, and a park. Yeah that's scattered.

813
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well that is, that's sad, But I'm just at

814
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the very least he was all accounted for. Yeah, that

815
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:37.559
<v Speaker 2>to rest sort of thing.

816
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mean if your loved ones, I can't

817
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>if you never came across her hand, like that would

818
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 1>be kind of shitty. So okay, so where was Luca. Well,

819
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 1>after the murder, he boarded a plane and flew from

820
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Montreal to Paris.

821
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 2>To Paris, Okay, Okay.

822
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 1>Like, let's murder someone then go to Paris.

823
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's running away from the country. It's probably thinking that, yeah,

824
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I just murder it's someone. I'm going to get away

825
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>with it now.

826
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

827
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:01.920
<v Speaker 2>No.

828
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Dubbed the Butcher of Montreal, Luca was now the center

829
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 1>of a global manhunt. Once arriving in Paris, his cell

830
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>phone was traced to a hotel, but he had already

831
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:18.320
<v Speaker 1>left by the time the police arrived. He'd apparently also

832
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 1>stayed two nights with a man that did not realize

833
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:24.119
<v Speaker 1>who he was letting in his home until he left.

834
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, like lucky dude. Really, can you.

835
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Imagine the panic after you realize that. Yeah, the panic

836
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:32.000
<v Speaker 2>in relief all at the same time.

837
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:34.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like you could have been murdered, dude. Yeah, Like

838
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:38.480
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't have been a far stretch. After Paris, Luca

839
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:42.039
<v Speaker 1>boarded a bus to head to Berlin. It would be

840
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>be in Berlin that the man hunt would end good.

841
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.599
<v Speaker 1>On June fourth, acting on a tip from the public,

842
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Berlin police were able to track down and arrest Luca

843
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.840
<v Speaker 1>in an internet cafe. He initially pretended to be someone else,

844
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.679
<v Speaker 1>but finally only admitted who he was and he was

845
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.960
<v Speaker 1>apparently in there reading news articles.

846
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.039
<v Speaker 2>About himself figured figured.

847
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 1>So like he got himself caught really because he couldn't

848
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.079
<v Speaker 1>friggin let it be. He needed to know what the

849
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.559
<v Speaker 1>fuck people were saying about him was going on and stuff,

850
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>which is just it makes sense really. Luca was held

851
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:26.599
<v Speaker 1>in jail in Berlin until he arrived home to Canada

852
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:31.679
<v Speaker 1>via a military plane which I thought was whoa on

853
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>June eighteenth to face his charges. He basically had to

854
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:41.119
<v Speaker 1>come home on like a military plane because there was

855
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.199
<v Speaker 1>just some issues, like he couldn't really go home on

856
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 1>like a commercial flight, right, none of the airlines wanted to, yeah,

857
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:48.360
<v Speaker 1>to have that on them, and stuff like he was

858
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:53.159
<v Speaker 1>a dangerous dude. There was a preliminary hearing, but Luca's

859
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 1>official trial didn't start until twenty fourteen. He elected to

860
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:03.480
<v Speaker 1>be tried by judge injury. He pleaded not guilty, admitting

861
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 1>to the acts. Okay, so he puted not guilty, but

862
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.400
<v Speaker 1>he did admit to the acts of what he was

863
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>accused for, but claimed not to be clemanly responsible due

864
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 1>to mental illness.

865
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh it was all fuck.

866
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>It was instructed to the jurors that Luca admitted to

867
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 1>the acts he was being charged for, but it was

868
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 1>their task to determine whether he committed them in a

869
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:34.519
<v Speaker 1>required state of mind. Just wait, you don't know anything yet.

870
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.360
<v Speaker 1>My opinion, you're so agitated.

871
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I am extremely agitated, because the mental state is always

872
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>thrown as that last ditch effort in court to try

873
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and get away with whatever fucking crime you committed. And

874
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.159
<v Speaker 2>I think that is just the biggest fucking knife in

875
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.039
<v Speaker 2>the back for those who are suffering those sort of

876
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:56.000
<v Speaker 2>things and who are dealing with it, and who are and.

877
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Who don't go and kill kittens and humans.

878
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and who are living with it and with it

879
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.440
<v Speaker 2>properly and according to how life should fucking move on.

880
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:07.280
<v Speaker 2>But these guys are taking advantage of that situation. Also, Okay, yeah,

881
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.039
<v Speaker 2>sure I did it. I'm sorry. I wasn't in the

882
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:11.760
<v Speaker 2>right mind, bitch. Were you in the right mind when

883
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.400
<v Speaker 2>you fucking killed kat A, B, C, D, fucking D

884
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.599
<v Speaker 2>all the way through the alphabet? How about when you

885
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 2>put out the ad on Craigslist. How about when you

886
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:21.519
<v Speaker 2>brought the guy back to your apartment. How about when

887
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.360
<v Speaker 2>you dismember the body and recorded it and then made

888
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 2>the video and then uploaded it and then mailed all

889
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the fucking packages and then hid his head in the

890
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 2>fucking park, and then you left the country and were

891
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.880
<v Speaker 2>caught fucking sitting in an internet cafe reading the articles

892
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 2>all but yourself because you're just that fucking self involved.

893
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:47.159
<v Speaker 2>You got sorry, Yeah, how is that not? Oh I'm

894
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:51.639
<v Speaker 2>just king, like, that's not mental illness. That's that's definitely prolonged,

895
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:52.960
<v Speaker 2>which is not mental illness.

896
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 1>I percent get what you're saying, but I also feel

897
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 1>like to do acts like this, you have to have

898
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.719
<v Speaker 1>something going on. Oh yeah, right, like because I mean,

899
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:09.679
<v Speaker 1>like just a completely I mean but everyone has mental

900
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>illnesses to a sense really like, no one is a

901
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:14.960
<v Speaker 1>mental sound I don't time.

902
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.800
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying he's not mentally ill. Clearly he is.

903
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.280
<v Speaker 2>There's already prediagnosis that is.

904
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 1>But it can't be justification for what he's said.

905
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not justified if you were saying, you know,

906
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.239
<v Speaker 2>I had an episode of mental illness because I have

907
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.320
<v Speaker 2>this history. Okay, maybe you did have an episode of

908
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:31.000
<v Speaker 2>mental illness.

909
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 1>This went on for too long.

910
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.320
<v Speaker 2>This is far too long for you could just claim

911
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>it's a mental illness episode, because there is many times

912
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.159
<v Speaker 2>you could have turned yourself in You could have asked

913
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:43.840
<v Speaker 2>for help, you could have stopped yourself, you could have

914
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.000
<v Speaker 2>realized what was going on and deleted the videos or

915
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.639
<v Speaker 2>something like that or anything. But you just kept going

916
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and kept liking it. Yep. So, yeah, he's mentally ill,

917
00:48:54.199 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 2>but you're guilty. It's not a crutch. Well then it's sorry.

918
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Very strong feelings on.

919
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:06.639
<v Speaker 1>That one reelings. After a twelve week trial and on

920
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the juror's eight day of deliberations, they would find Luca

921
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:16.400
<v Speaker 1>guilty of all five charges against him, good first degree murder,

922
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:23.079
<v Speaker 1>committing an indignity to a body, publishing obscene material, mailing

923
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:28.039
<v Speaker 1>obscene and indecent material, and harassment of Prime Minister Stephen

924
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.199
<v Speaker 1>Harper and other members of parliament.

925
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:32.119
<v Speaker 2>God.

926
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>He was sentenced to life in prison with no chance

927
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>of parole for twenty five years.

928
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh so he can get parole.

929
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he's not even super old. So I mean like,

930
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 1>if he just served twenty five years, he could be Oh, which,

931
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like this, this guy cannot come out of jail.

932
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I would I think there would be petitions and stuff.

933
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he would reach parole. I don't think that.

934
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I sure freaking hope not Okay. So there's

935
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 1>a couple of things that I just want to like

936
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 1>touch a bit more on, one being that I mean

937
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.159
<v Speaker 1>this this, you could dive so much deeper into this

938
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:13.400
<v Speaker 1>case like this, you could just really go down a

939
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.280
<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole here, because like the Netflix series is three

940
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 1>wow long episodes or whatever, and there is controversy about

941
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 1>those because could the police have done what the online

942
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 1>investigators were doing and were they just like fueling his fire,

943
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:34.760
<v Speaker 1>which is a possibility, right, But then I.

944
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Already thought of that when I figured you'd talk on it.

945
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know they were. They were finding out things too,

946
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's like, could police have been finding that

947
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.119
<v Speaker 1>out on their own when it's when it was keme

948
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>time to this.

949
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.360
<v Speaker 2>So but when it boils down to it, you don't

950
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 2>fuck with kittens or puppies on the internet.

951
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:52.880
<v Speaker 1>No, you really don't.

952
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:56.159
<v Speaker 2>You don't. You just don't don't fuck with cats, right.

953
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.159
<v Speaker 1>And then I wanted to touch a bit more. On

954
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:02.760
<v Speaker 1>julyn so, his friend speaks at the very end of

955
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the Don't Fuck With Kat's Netflix series and says it's

956
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:10.199
<v Speaker 1>really sad and not fair how everyone talks about Luca

957
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:15.519
<v Speaker 1>and doesn't remember his friend saying Luca didn't just kill Julyn,

958
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.599
<v Speaker 1>but also destroyed an entire family's hope. In the Chinese culture,

959
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:25.079
<v Speaker 1>it's always the sun that carries the responsibility for the

960
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.719
<v Speaker 1>care of the parents when they become older, and now

961
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:33.559
<v Speaker 1>that's gone, like his parents don't have that, Like, oh

962
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:37.880
<v Speaker 1>my goodness. Julian's parents traveled to Montreal after the Sun

963
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:42.480
<v Speaker 1>was murdered, where a candlelight vigil was held. They also

964
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:44.559
<v Speaker 1>traveled to to attend the trial, which I was like,

965
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.599
<v Speaker 1>that's really good. And finally, the university that Julian was

966
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:56.039
<v Speaker 1>attending created an award basically commemorating the life of Julin.

967
00:51:58.519 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 1>And that's all I have to say.

968
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Dang, well, I really hope that Julen's family can move

969
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:08.719
<v Speaker 2>on some way.

970
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they'll never fully heal.

971
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 2>And I hope Luca fucking rots and does not get

972
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:16.840
<v Speaker 2>parole and eventually in the end he fucking burns.

973
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:22.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like, it's absolutely disgusting what he's done. And like

974
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.519
<v Speaker 1>I said, I only knew about him mailing the packages.

975
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because I was like type it in

976
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Luca Magnata and Google and then it comes up with

977
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.599
<v Speaker 1>this s Don't Fuck with Cats, and I was like, fuck,

978
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I've been annoying this Netflix series and now you're telling

979
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.320
<v Speaker 1>me that I have to go fucking watch that. No.

980
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>But then and I like was like, do I want

981
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to do this? Case? Do I want to do it?

982
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, I'm glad I did it.

983
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I learned a shit ton But who this was recommended

984
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:56.320
<v Speaker 2>by patrons right we're on Patreon, wasn't it.

985
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was, because member, I've had

986
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:01.639
<v Speaker 1>this list this honest on my I think it's been recommended.

987
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I know people recommended, but I've honestly had this on

988
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.519
<v Speaker 1>my list since I did the Barbie Can Killers.

989
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Right, No, I thought you were doing this one specifically

990
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 2>off a Patreon list or something like that that day.

991
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:13.199
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about weeks.

992
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's getting hard to keep track of all the

993
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:16.920
<v Speaker 2>recommendations we've had weet.

994
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.719
<v Speaker 1>We do actually get a lot of recommendations. I absolutely

995
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 1>love it, and we do write them down, but we

996
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.079
<v Speaker 1>have too many that not saying that don't send them anywhere,

997
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:26.760
<v Speaker 1>but we just do have too many that we might

998
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:28.760
<v Speaker 1>not be getting to like all of them kind of thing.

999
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 2>And even if we do get to them. It might

1000
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.760
<v Speaker 2>be a while, yeah, but keep setting them.

1001
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:36.679
<v Speaker 1>We always like have a wealth of topics, so it's

1002
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 1>not like we're like, oh, what should we do? Right?

1003
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 1>We always we have a list we can go to.

1004
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.000
<v Speaker 2>We don't just have a list, we have a book.

1005
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:45.119
<v Speaker 1>We have a book actually.

1006
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:48.639
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, if you guys want to go join over

1007
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:50.679
<v Speaker 2>on Patreon and see some behind the scenes stuff of

1008
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.639
<v Speaker 2>the podcast, support us a little more and get all

1009
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.760
<v Speaker 2>those extra little details and even extra episodes that come

1010
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:56.039
<v Speaker 2>out month.

1011
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we're gonna have to figure out what extra

1012
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 1>episode we're gonna put out this month on there.

1013
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah we are. I've got a couple of ideas. We'll

1014
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:02.920
<v Speaker 2>figure it out.

1015
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we're on Instagram, Facebook, We have a website

1016
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.239
<v Speaker 1>with pro YouTube.

1017
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 2>That we don't post you very often. You're going to

1018
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:10.920
<v Speaker 2>get that.

1019
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Coming to get some more videos this wonder. We're gonna

1020
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do some fun ship.

1021
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:16.840
<v Speaker 2>We are lots in the pipe coming up.

1022
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:20.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, thanks for listening, Thanks for sticking around and

1023
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:27.639
<v Speaker 1>listening about this dude, Fuck him absolutely, and until next time, guys,

1024
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.320
<v Speaker 1>stay wicked.