Speaker 1: Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen and this is a podcast all about
Speaker 2: the weird and wonderful world of the dark comedy anthology
Speaker 2: series Inside number nine.
Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 1: Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 1: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
Speaker 2: So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea and
Speaker 2: join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hello, hello, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Have you been what you've been up to?
Speaker 1: Not much really? Day of recording is my parents move day,
Speaker 1: which I thought would never come.
Speaker 2: But oh is that today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's finally here.
Speaker 2: I hope it's going okay for them.
Speaker 1: Seems to be stressful, but yeah, but they did get
Speaker 1: a team of professionals into to move them, so that's
Speaker 1: good and gently exactly squeeze me tightly whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, currently missing the school holidays.
Speaker 1: I am to be honest, but it's it swings aroundabouts
Speaker 1: because my job now is much less kind of draining
Speaker 1: for me because now working from home, which I wasn't
Speaker 1: able to do before obviously, Yeah, it's such a different
Speaker 1: kind of dynamic, and for me, I get very stressed
Speaker 1: sort of having to be around people a lot. It
Speaker 1: drains me a lot.
Speaker 2: So training the club yeah yeah, so being able.
Speaker 1: To be at home, it's like, you know, I might
Speaker 1: be actually working more, but it's better over all, I think.
Speaker 2: So. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice, Anything interesting to share from your end, No, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think so. No, a fun projector night at a
Speaker 2: film night in the garden at the weekend, which was nice, lovely,
Speaker 2: We've got Terassic Park.
Speaker 1: Oh good, sounds good. It's when your neighbors start thinking
Speaker 1: there are dinosaurs in the garden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're having a fighting match between because it was
Speaker 2: really quiet for all the speaking bits and loud for
Speaker 2: all the dinosaur actionally bit. Yeah, and like there was
Speaker 2: some owl in a tree nearby that was overtaking in me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in the quiet bits at the beginning, it's like it's
Speaker 2: meant to be dinosaurs and owls are ruling this situation
Speaker 2: at the moment.
Speaker 1: Shall we tell listeners where our hair was last week?
Speaker 2: It was Devil Christmas? But what I think is really
Speaker 2: clever is that it's Steve that is the Devil of Christ.
Speaker 2: Masterfully done. The Devil of Christ Massive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that well loved episode The Devil of Christ Mass.
Speaker 1: Very well done, thank you, masterfully done. In fact, it
Speaker 1: was a.
Speaker 2: Tricky one because I got to talk about it. I
Speaker 2: was like, to make this work. I've got to sell
Speaker 2: this twist is better than I think it is. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, we've got to pivot the twist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I listen that for another one this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our last one of this series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, will say do you get quite a few messages
Speaker 1: lately from listeners about the hairs and sort of you know,
Speaker 1: I can't, for the life of me find that one
Speaker 1: in this episode. Someone said they listened to one of
Speaker 1: the episodes three times to try and find the hair.
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, I'm g lovely for playing along. That's good.
Speaker 1: It is good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, putting all this thought into what they do and
Speaker 2: no one actually gets awesome. This week we are back
Speaker 2: with Series six, Episode six, Last Night of the Proms
Speaker 2: Dawn and Mick. It's a long one. Dawn and Mick
Speaker 2: are hosting the annual Last Night at the Proms party
Speaker 2: as the perfect antidote to post Brexit Britain, with everyone
Speaker 2: expected to waive their union jack's and sing along to
Speaker 2: Land of Hope and Glory. We'll get back to that.
Speaker 2: But Down's sister Penny has seen a mysterious stranger lurking
Speaker 2: around the neighborhood, and her husband Brian isn't feeling particularly patriotic,
Speaker 2: and by the time the Fat Lady sings, everyone's lives
Speaker 2: will be changed forever.
Speaker 1: Yes, m.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting one this week. It is.
Speaker 1: It is interesting.
Speaker 2: I still don't quite know what I think about it. Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I'm very intrigued to see what I'm going to rate
Speaker 2: this at the end of this log.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I think it's good and having watched
Speaker 1: it's one of those ones, like you know, having watched
Speaker 1: it twice as we do to prepare on the second
Speaker 1: run through, after having seen all the details, it's like
Speaker 1: there's more bits to it than you sort of realized. Initially.
Speaker 2: I thought, Yeah, it's a very confusing episode. There's a
Speaker 2: lot going on that doesn't seem to make any sense.
Speaker 2: It requires a quite a bit of homework, I feel
Speaker 2: afterwards to sort of, yea, understand what the hell was happening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got a bit of a vibe of they decided
Speaker 2: on the concept and then they improved it, like it
Speaker 2: just feels like they just sort of making it up
Speaker 2: a bit as they're going along.
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. I think maybe something that
Speaker 1: contributes to that is the fact that, similar in a
Speaker 1: way to the karaoke one, was that empty orchestra where
Speaker 1: you've got the music that kind of runs all the
Speaker 1: way through it. Yeah, and that kind of And again
Speaker 1: they decided they wanted to base it on the proms,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to have the actual proms playing the
Speaker 1: entire way through. Yeah, which means that you've got this
Speaker 1: soundtrack that is kind of set in stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they had to write the episode around that and
Speaker 1: write all the dialogue to sort of match the peaks
Speaker 1: and troughs.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I was wondering, is it presumably it's the
Speaker 2: problems of the previous year?
Speaker 1: I looked it up. It's twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, what was this twenty one? So that filmed
Speaker 2: it in twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's his name? The sun has a World
Speaker 1: Cup scarf on, which was twenty eighteen, so it fits
Speaker 1: with that as well.
Speaker 2: Oh so we set it in that, you're right? Okay? Yeah,
Speaker 2: fairt Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and the Brexit stuff
Speaker 2: would be a little bit more recent.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, very yeah, topical. M I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: it's set somewhere in the West Country. They think they
Speaker 1: will sound a bit bristly, Yeah, but it could be anywhere. Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep feeling that, Oh what's that? Penny sounds
Speaker 2: like she's off the archers a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we've got a whole host of delightful people.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no one is particularly nice, not at all, actually,
Speaker 2: for one reason or another. Who do we start with?
Speaker 1: I think Dawn is the kind of centerpiece of it.
Speaker 2: Probably she's a lovely piece of work, isn't she.
Speaker 1: She's awful, Yeah, absolutely perfectly caste.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sarah Parrish, she she plays that kind of hard like
Speaker 1: bitch like word. Yeah. So yeah, she's a bit scary,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just know from from her first appearance
Speaker 2: and her haircut and everything, she's clearly a Brexit lady.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it's so obvious.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, she really reminds me of a couple of
Speaker 1: people that I know. That's the thing about this this
Speaker 1: kind of episode is that it is also relatable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just are types of people isn't it. There's
Speaker 2: so many, you know, all of these characters, which is worrying.
Speaker 1: So she's married to Mick, played by Steve, who is
Speaker 1: a bit of a Yeah yeah, I mean he's he's
Speaker 1: sort of jovial and you know, I feel like his
Speaker 1: heart's in the right place. He's just a bit of
Speaker 1: an idiot.
Speaker 2: He's the kind of person that is fine for the
Speaker 2: first ten minutes and then you quickly.
Speaker 1: Oh god, can you imagine evening? Fucking hell. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was going to say, you know, the bit when he
Speaker 1: when he starts mimicking the accents of the Scottish and
Speaker 1: the Welsh. I was thinking, oh my god, is that
Speaker 1: what I sound like every time I do an impression.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I'm like, oh, it's really cringey,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh god, Steven's doing a voice again.
Speaker 2: I'm terrible accents, so I couldn't comment, but it sounds
Speaker 2: good to me.
Speaker 1: Also, the way he's dressed, like the Union flag, yes, waistcoat.
Speaker 1: He kind of he looks, you know, like the pearly
Speaker 1: king kind of thing. He reminded me of that look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like he's about to go and go for
Speaker 2: the vote. Counting as local.
Speaker 1: God yeah, MP thing for the Reform Party or whatever
Speaker 1: the BNP. Yeeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's horrible.
Speaker 1: It's a really cringey.
Speaker 2: I hate flag related costumes. Oh god, yes, they're never
Speaker 2: not incredibly tacky.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I feel like he sort of knows it's taky, though,
Speaker 1: I feel like heah embraces it, true, but yeah, and
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. And just particularly English flags
Speaker 1: and UK flags, like they're.
Speaker 2: Just ugh, it's so sad because it is quite a
Speaker 2: cool flag.
Speaker 1: It is, but the way they've been hijacked.
Speaker 2: But they've just ruined it in the last sort of
Speaker 2: ten years.
Speaker 1: Where they've been Union hijacked. Yeah, that was terrible. Sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like, especially like in recent couple of years, is
Speaker 1: like when people paint those crosses on road signs and things.
Speaker 1: When I go down to Ben's family, like there's some
Speaker 1: on the road signs going down to where they live,
Speaker 1: and it's that fox sake, Like you think these things
Speaker 1: are happening somewhere in the country, but you don't think
Speaker 1: it's happening right now. You're going to see it, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I got away with it in York
Speaker 2: because I thought York is quite a nice place. But
Speaker 2: then I drove over to the other side of York
Speaker 2: on one weekend and found out, Oh no, I'm just
Speaker 2: in a bit where they don't have them everywhere still like.
Speaker 1: That bit in the Lion King with like, oh that bit,
Speaker 1: that's the dark side of York.
Speaker 2: But you don't want Selby, we don't get to.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's really really uncomfortable and cringe, isn't it.
Speaker 1: All this flag stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's awful. Well that wanted to get
Speaker 2: too political or we can't not in this sort of situation.
Speaker 2: But like, it's sad for all of these people, the
Speaker 2: Brexity people to have made it feel bad, you feel
Speaker 2: guilty being proud of anything remotely related to your country anymore.
Speaker 2: Just kind of a.
Speaker 1: Shame because they've they've turned it into something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've tagged on all sorts of things to that. Yes,
Speaker 2: so now you can't just you know, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: if you wanted to put a flag up, I'm not
Speaker 2: that I'm saying I would, but if you wanted to,
Speaker 2: like you know, like in America they have flags on
Speaker 2: fucking everything. Like I'm not saying I want that, but
Speaker 2: if you did. Yeah, that then it also adds on
Speaker 2: all these other exactly thoughts to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be seeing dead anywhere near an England flag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like you know, I'm not I'm not that I
Speaker 1: support football or care about football. But when it's like
Speaker 1: the World Cup and England's in it, people put out
Speaker 1: England flags and stuff. Like if I was going to
Speaker 1: do that, I would be like, oh, but then people
Speaker 1: are going to think I'm, yeah, you know, a racist.
Speaker 2: And everything else that goes on with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was also thinking as well. Dawn, like, she's so
Speaker 1: the kind of person who goes on Facebook and like
Speaker 1: comments on things about oh it's all.
Speaker 2: Woke yep, and she'll have some tagline about how family
Speaker 2: is the best thing in the world. Yeah, screams at
Speaker 2: her family all the time, exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about her characters. That it's that,
Speaker 1: I think we were discussing this the other day, just
Speaker 1: that thing of that sort of fake wholesomeness that people
Speaker 1: like embrace, this thing of oh, I'm so lovely. I've
Speaker 1: got these cross stitches that say bless this house, and
Speaker 1: everything's so charming and lovely. But actually I'm an evil
Speaker 1: piece of shit. Yes, and I'm full of hate.
Speaker 2: Yep, like ugh, exist just to be horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that's her, and like
Speaker 3: she's one of those people, Like at the face of it,
Speaker 3: she does look like a nice person. And that's that's
Speaker 3: the scary thing that so many of these people do
Speaker 3: look like nice people. Yeah, and that's how they get
Speaker 3: away with it so much.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Anyway, So Dawn's sister, Penny and her husband Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are Yeah that sad, Yeah, very unhappy.
Speaker 2: Poor Penny. She looks like she's just, you know, she's
Speaker 2: just wandering around. She didn't know where the hell she
Speaker 2: is half the time. She's just sort of in her
Speaker 2: own little world, polishing spones. What is going through her
Speaker 2: head other than the wind? Apparently there is nothing in
Speaker 2: between her ears. It seems.
Speaker 1: She's just Yeah, I guess she feels trapped in this,
Speaker 1: this marriage that she's not happy in. No, with a
Speaker 1: husband who is I mean, it's fairly canonically confirmed that
Speaker 1: he's gay in the closet, I see, so, or just
Speaker 1: that she thinks that, but no, I think there's enough evidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's never explicitly confirmed, but I struggle
Speaker 2: to imagine it isn't correct. Yeah, it's not one of
Speaker 2: those would pretend we're making it out like it is
Speaker 2: and actually it's all completely explainable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is fine. You know, people can be married
Speaker 1: and have children and then discover that they're gay later on,
Speaker 1: then you know, deal with it.
Speaker 2: It must being possible. Obviously, no one wins in this situation.
Speaker 1: No, no, but you'd think, you know, you'd like if
Speaker 1: you were only you'd want your dad to be happy, and.
Speaker 2: You'd think that. But yeah, yeah, I knew a guy,
Speaker 2: like friend of a friend that was married with the
Speaker 2: wife kids, like three kids, I think. Yeah, they'd been
Speaker 2: like school sweethearts and everything, and then he realized that
Speaker 2: he was gay, apparently to the surprise of literally no one,
Speaker 2: like everyone assumed long before he did. He was the
Speaker 2: last person to work out him and his wife, but
Speaker 2: he eventually came out and she was the most supportive,
Speaker 2: like friend, and now they're both married to other men.
Speaker 2: They go on like family holidays, all of them together, and.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so lovely.
Speaker 2: It's so lovely. I mean, obviously that doesn't always work
Speaker 2: out like that, but it can.
Speaker 1: There is hope, yeah, but no, not in this case. No,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of resent.
Speaker 2: Indeed, I don't know what I think about Penny though,
Speaker 2: in terms of I find her odd, Like I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's just a choice of like the direction
Speaker 2: the actor has been given, but I feels like a
Speaker 2: lot of her lines feel really weird, Like she just
Speaker 2: says things too bluntly almost, and it just doesn't ring
Speaker 2: true to me in a way. I don't know what
Speaker 2: it is about it, but I just find something off.
Speaker 1: Okay, can you think of an example of a line, well, just.
Speaker 2: The way she'll say things directly to Brian, Yeah, being
Speaker 2: like I can't.
Speaker 1: Really specifically when she says to him about the gym,
Speaker 1: she says, you like the changing rooms or that realis
Speaker 1: and Harry bumholes. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bit of a
Speaker 1: bold thing to just come out with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels a little forced almost, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know whether it just doesn't feel as subtle as
Speaker 2: I'd want her to. But maybe it's just because she's
Speaker 2: been going through it that long that she's.
Speaker 1: Exactly Yeah, I think it's built and she's you know, drinking,
Speaker 1: and maybe everyone's just used to it because she's not
Speaker 1: having to be subtle, because Dawn and Mick probably know
Speaker 1: that she's always on about him being gay and that true.
Speaker 2: It's just this, you know, I mean this in joke.
Speaker 1: It's just got to that point now where you know.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows that that's what's going on, but no one's
Speaker 2: acknowledging it directly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe. So we've also got Ralph Penny and Dawn's father.
Speaker 2: Indeed, when you said Ralph, I'm like, is that the
Speaker 2: dog is a five year old kid's name the oldest
Speaker 2: Really you don't get adult Ralph's well.
Speaker 1: To be fair, he's usually just called daddy in this,
Speaker 1: isn't he so?
Speaker 2: True? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But yes, similar to when we talked about once removed,
Speaker 1: and you've got the Alzheimer's thing being sort of played
Speaker 1: for laughs. Yeah, slightly questionable, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we don't know what's wrong with him specifically,
Speaker 2: like to talk about some medication that he's on. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: like it could be anything. I guess we're not particular,
Speaker 2: just just doddery old man, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I guess I assume that's the that's the intention, that
Speaker 1: it's Alzheimer's, that the medications then making him probably but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just there to be a plot device, really,
Speaker 1: isn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't get a lot more to do than
Speaker 2: make bake your laugh a couple of times and then
Speaker 2: move the plot along when you needed to. Did you
Speaker 2: notice the weird portrait of him. No, that's on the
Speaker 2: wall behind where reeseis sat, the sort of an archway
Speaker 2: into another room, and then there's a big portrait on
Speaker 2: the wall, a bit sort of mistrunch bull magnus sort
Speaker 2: of style on the wall, like with lampsy the side
Speaker 2: illuminating it. He looks serious and like I think the
Speaker 2: first time I watched this fully expecting that to be important.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I don't think i'd noticed that.
Speaker 2: It makes no relevance of the story. No, but must
Speaker 2: have cost a fair bit to have commissioned like someone.
Speaker 2: I mean, I suppose he just put it through photoshop
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, someone's had to go out of
Speaker 2: the way to create that prop. Yeah, it doesn't really
Speaker 2: add anything.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's I guess it's significant that he's
Speaker 1: the sort of patriarch of the house and all that.
Speaker 1: So hmmm, maybe it's just highlighting that. I suppose it's
Speaker 1: weird though.
Speaker 2: But when you notice it, it's really intimidating. Another start
Speaker 2: on a chair looking serious. Ye gave me a massive
Speaker 2: Matilda flashback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a whole vibe this episode, isn't it.
Speaker 1: One of the phrase I've written down is obscene patriotism.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's that plus the whole the sort of chaos of
Speaker 1: you know, dawns always making sure that no one's glass
Speaker 1: is ever empty, orchestra blaring out sea shanties and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a whole thing, isn't It's a.
Speaker 2: Full on one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot going on, but equally not a
Speaker 2: lot going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I should work the proms a little bit.
Speaker 2: Have you been.
Speaker 1: I've been to a few, mostly Doctor Who Wants. I've
Speaker 1: been to a couple of other more traditional ones as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's quite it's quite a fun experience. I mean, the
Speaker 1: idea is it is like obviously bringing classical music, which
Speaker 1: is supposed to be you know, often considered quite eyebrow
Speaker 1: and stuffy, bringing it to the masses, as it were,
Speaker 1: making it more accessible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's an interesting sort of setting for the episode.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a good one. Because you've got Brian,
Speaker 1: who is sort of a music lover and a bit
Speaker 1: of a pretentious swat about it, Whereas then you've got
Speaker 1: Mick and Dawn, who are you know, They just are
Speaker 1: there for the vibes. They don't really you know, about
Speaker 1: the music, but they just you know, it's an excuse
Speaker 1: to wave a flag.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, any excuse. Yeah, I would like to go.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know I use this as an excuse
Speaker 2: to get hair and ages ago, but I didn't mean it.
Speaker 2: I would like to go to the last night of
Speaker 2: the Problem Von just to see what it's like.
Speaker 1: Just like a bucket list thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think live orchestral music.
Speaker 1: Oh it is. This is amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's irrelevant what they're really playing. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: love being around that's just yeah, it's amazing to see
Speaker 2: that that amount of talent.
Speaker 1: And Jerusalem as well. It's one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 2: It is lovely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one of my mum's favorite songs as well.
Speaker 1: And it's just the tune. It's just so sort of stirring.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all these silly traditions that apparently they have
Speaker 1: with the everyone pretends to cry during this sad but
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: Know about that one.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't know about that very weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have watched it a few times, but I
Speaker 2: don't remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I guess if you've not got like a commentator
Speaker 2: or of explaining what's going on, you wouldn't maybe know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, David Dimblebee or something, Yeah, or David Attenborough. And
Speaker 1: here we have the prom goers pretending to cry in
Speaker 1: a strange ritual. So it's interesting. And again, like the
Speaker 1: karaoke one, you've got the thing of the music going
Speaker 1: all the way through it. Yeah, which makes another huge
Speaker 1: technical challenge.
Speaker 2: Well is it like in real time then when the
Speaker 2: episode starts, is that then the next twenty eight minutes
Speaker 2: of the proms?
Speaker 1: I assume so, because from what I heard recently saying,
Speaker 1: they said they didn't want to cheat it and have
Speaker 1: like dipping in and out of bits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's kind of what I assumed they did.
Speaker 1: They wanted it to just you know, run through so interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can just assumed there was cut between
Speaker 2: them going into the kitchen or whatever and come back
Speaker 2: in and be ten minutes later in the problems when
Speaker 2: it's a song they wanted.
Speaker 1: Maybe they did fudget slightly there, but certainly long, long
Speaker 1: bits of it are real time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: So we've got to mention. Actually, right at the start
Speaker 1: of the episode, you've got yusef who you see outside?
Speaker 2: What's he doing here?
Speaker 1: Hmm?
Speaker 2: I mean I still don't really know, not really giving
Speaker 2: any spiders earlier. I'm still clueless.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I guess it comes down to what you think,
Speaker 1: who you think he is. But yeah, but yeah, he comes.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know.
Speaker 1: I think Penny would have liked that.
Speaker 2: But non, lay.
Speaker 1: He lets himself into the conservatory, doesn't he.
Speaker 2: I think? No, Penny lets him in, doesn't she. Oh? Yes,
Speaker 2: he taps on the window and then just starts talking
Speaker 2: to him, rappiting on about nonsense. Hmm.
Speaker 1: Interesting, that, isn't it, because obviously complete strain. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: What is he doing in a stranger's garden?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then she very openly just lets him in and
Speaker 1: starts chatting to him like she's she's clearly desperate for
Speaker 1: some sort of connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, surely more has gone on before this than she
Speaker 2: must have seen him more than once or twice. It
Speaker 2: just it feels really odd to me.
Speaker 1: It is odd, isn't it? For me? I think it's
Speaker 1: just her desperation. I think it's just you know, I
Speaker 1: guess let's go for it.
Speaker 2: She's an odd cast.
Speaker 1: I don't understand he's weird, isn't she?
Speaker 2: Because obviously I'm skipping ahead of bit. But when they
Speaker 2: finished doing the next bit, she looks at him with
Speaker 2: kind of disgusted and walks off. Does she well, sort
Speaker 2: of looks at him a bit odd and then just
Speaker 2: leaves him there in the conservatory wherever they are. M
Speaker 2: And Okay, I don't get you, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just for me. I think it's
Speaker 1: part of the way that everybody in that house treats
Speaker 1: him as, you know, something sub human. Know. She she
Speaker 1: doesn't have any qualms about basically assaulting him. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: she I don't know, she just doesn't see him as
Speaker 1: that would matter somehow.
Speaker 2: It's really sad.
Speaker 1: It's very sad awful.
Speaker 2: All he wants is to use the bathroom apparently, Yeah,
Speaker 2: effectively actually assaults him at this point exactly. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what's going on, but it's not good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: altitude of.
Speaker 1: The Sailors's gonna say all underscored by that getting.
Speaker 2: Faster and faster, such a jolly little cheer and doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: have words with yourself, Penny. Meanwhile, well, yeah, they're all
Speaker 2: in the other room in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian starts to show his pedantry mm hmmm, which
Speaker 1: is quite entertaining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm worried I'm going to become that pedant.
Speaker 1: No, because I was the the same. I was thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: this is so me.
Speaker 2: That kind of thing really bugs me. But I've not
Speaker 2: yet got to the age where i just blurt it out,
Speaker 2: like I hold it back for ninety percent of the
Speaker 2: time exactly. I'm worried when I'm in my fifties that
Speaker 2: that's what I'll be doing. Yeah. Yeah, because you've heard
Speaker 2: people say it wrong for the last whatever however many years,
Speaker 2: and you're just like, I can't hold this back.
Speaker 1: Anymore exactly, And when it's in that pressure cooker thing
Speaker 1: of you know, family that have brought these tensions as well,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has a lot of wine. He always
Speaker 2: has always got to see some of a full glass
Speaker 2: of wine. Yeah, I don't. I know that I'm pedantic
Speaker 2: about things and I hate it. But equally, if I
Speaker 2: don't say anything, I feel like I'm condoning what Yeah,
Speaker 2: agreeing with what you're saying, I know what you mean,
Speaker 2: and telling you you're right when I know you're not.
Speaker 2: And it's really like.
Speaker 1: It's very tricky, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And my sister always tells me off about it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, but I do it from almost a
Speaker 2: place of love in that I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 2: you going out and saying this rubbish to strangers laugh
Speaker 2: at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. It's also like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm always been accused of like correcting, particularly by my
Speaker 1: partner Ben. He's always said, oh, you're always correcting me
Speaker 1: this and that. It's not that I'm saying, oh, you're
Speaker 1: wrong and I'm right, therefore I'm better than you. It's
Speaker 1: just the fact that if something is said that is
Speaker 1: wrong and I know it's wrong, I feel like I
Speaker 1: just need to have it be correct otherwise it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel right. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: So, yes, sorry to anyone I've corrected in the past,
Speaker 1: including you.
Speaker 2: Oh please do, please do, and vice versa. I mean,
Speaker 2: you never make any mistakes well exactly, but the one
Speaker 2: time you do, I will jump on it. You said
Speaker 2: starting to do maths in series one.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is we have this running joke that
Speaker 1: I can't do maths, and I cut out the original
Speaker 1: instance of that because I was embarrassed by it. It
Speaker 1: was one of our episodes. I gave us six out
Speaker 1: of nine, and then I made some comment about I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna try and work out what that is
Speaker 1: as a percentage, and you were just like, well, sixty
Speaker 1: six percent actually, and I was like, of course it is,
Speaker 1: and I was so embarrassed that I've made such a
Speaker 1: stupid error. I was like, I just cut that, and
Speaker 1: then we kept referencing it like I can't do math.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, if you ever wondered about that, that's
Speaker 1: that was why you're AnyWho. Yeah, that's the thing about
Speaker 1: for someone like you and me, who we like things
Speaker 1: to be correct, that kind of character is quite satisfying,
Speaker 1: because yeah, we might not be like that ourselves, but
Speaker 1: it's quite satisfying to like watch him like live vicereously
Speaker 1: through him and like be like, yes, I wish I
Speaker 1: could do that. I know you're not supposed to like
Speaker 1: him as a character, but it's like, yeah, to say
Speaker 1: the thing you want to say tell them, you tell
Speaker 1: them it's Fantasia on bush Sea songs. Yeah, anyway, what
Speaker 1: else have we got? Ollie asks if he can have
Speaker 1: a drink.
Speaker 2: We haven't mentioned Olli yet, have we not? Really? No,
Speaker 2: so that's their son.
Speaker 1: Doesn't really want to be there. No, he's on his
Speaker 1: on his phone listening to music.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't really do a lot.
Speaker 1: Makes me wonder actually, you know he is he needed?
Speaker 1: What's he really there for?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess it's just to make the family seem
Speaker 2: more real. You had another generation for the family, don't you.
Speaker 1: And the awkwardness of the dad being gay makes it
Speaker 1: makes it a bit worse if there's a son involved.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, And it's a it's a character to get
Speaker 2: drunk for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yes, that's true. And it's a nice contrast
Speaker 1: because he's, you know, he's the young generation versus these
Speaker 1: old twats Like yeah, I love that bit where he
Speaker 1: says about you know, he's doing music tech and Steve's
Speaker 1: characters like oh on the computers. Yeah, that's the future,
Speaker 1: isn't it. And he's like, well, actually no, it's the present.
Speaker 2: The way deliver us the lines about the little boxes
Speaker 2: or whatever, Yeah, like he's having a laugh himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes, he's apparently not old enough to drink, so.
Speaker 2: No, he assume that's why he's why he's not like
Speaker 2: to drink unless he's driving them home.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that line from Dawn about when she's talking
Speaker 1: about the flags that have gone on in the proms
Speaker 1: and she says it's meant to be an English concert
Speaker 1: for English people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get like a gentleman flashback?
Speaker 1: I did. I was thinking as I wrote it down,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, an English concert for English people.
Speaker 2: I have no outsiders here.
Speaker 1: I think my favorite character is probably Mick, even though
Speaker 1: he's really irritating. Yeah, I think he does make me laugh.
Speaker 2: Also, if it weren't for Olie, we wouldn't get Mick
Speaker 2: being incredibly cringey doing old person pretending to be young,
Speaker 2: doing all the dabbing and the oh god, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: so cringey, but so funny and relatable.
Speaker 1: Bless him.
Speaker 2: So this is where all the we start to get
Speaker 2: all the Brexit talk. I love the line it's Lug's
Speaker 2: voting from Marshalt. Yeah, perfect, though, did you toe the
Speaker 2: line quite well? I think of not saying one side
Speaker 2: right or wrong? Yeah, I know it may be they
Speaker 2: show both sides to be wrong really.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, there's always all this thing of old the
Speaker 1: BBC's biased and all that. So I can imagine they
Speaker 1: were trying to avoid that hm, because you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know it was, we
Speaker 1: all know how close it was, and you don't know
Speaker 1: half your audience might have voted one way or the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I struggled to accept that, but I.
Speaker 2: Agree, I do you have a poll? But yeah, they
Speaker 2: show how both sides are awful people really.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, yeah, or can be.
Speaker 2: I can be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also love how the dog was called Boris with
Speaker 1: the shaggy shaggy hair, and I'm like, is there a yeah?
Speaker 1: Was he called that for a reason?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I was going to say this, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I didn't twig immediately. That's why. I probably was why
Speaker 2: because I saw in the credits there was such a
Speaker 2: long list of people. Now it's like there's not that
Speaker 2: many characters, and I added them all up and worked
Speaker 2: out that it was about right. And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: the dog is getting is in the credits, and I
Speaker 2: was thinking, like, I never understand why they take the
Speaker 2: name of a dog and give it a different name, Like,
Speaker 2: why not just call it its real name? Does it
Speaker 2: really matter? That's probably why they did it on this
Speaker 2: occasion at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can understand it when it's meant to be playing
Speaker 2: a dog from a book or whatever. But I like
Speaker 2: when it's just a dog in a thing, Why does
Speaker 2: it matter what it's called? Yeah, just give it its
Speaker 2: real name. I'm sure the dog had the whale over time.
Speaker 2: Probably yeahs and things. Yeah, although they no, they probably
Speaker 2: couldn't have sage rolls. They calt of onions?
Speaker 1: Can they dogst me? No?
Speaker 2: I think the poisonous to dogs.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I think they are.
Speaker 1: I know chocolate is a bad thing, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't have that.
Speaker 2: Onions pretty sure, all that kind of stuff, onions, garlic,
Speaker 2: all that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: To ask Ben he likes dogs.
Speaker 2: So when Penny just refers to Brian like point blank
Speaker 2: and calls him a hollowed out husk of a man, Oh,
Speaker 2: she's been suffering for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can believe that though, you know,
Speaker 1: when tensions run high and people say things, we've also
Speaker 1: had Ollie's drink that he asks, Oh, what is this mum,
Speaker 1: and she says, just mineral water. Yeah, and obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: we we sort of assume later there's there's alcohol there
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah and all the connotations of that
Speaker 1: in that first moment when she says, oh, it's just
Speaker 1: mineral water and then she looks away and he sort
Speaker 1: of does this look as if to say, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't think it is, and carries on drinking it. I
Speaker 1: interpreted that as that she'd slipped him something like on
Speaker 1: the slide, so that the father didn't have to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah I didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but obviously not No, I think, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know if you meant to think
Speaker 2: that that, yeah, the mom has slipped him something. Maybe Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, if you have to, we all have
Speaker 2: to suffer through this. So exactly thats exactly how I
Speaker 2: interpreted it. I thought it was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: join the club, you gotta get drunk sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, so we've got the DNA test.
Speaker 2: Freddie at the gym printed out bum chum.
Speaker 1: He does the time of his little little comments is great.
Speaker 2: We said earlier, it's questionable about the old, but that
Speaker 2: joke is worth it.
Speaker 1: Yes, no filter. It's just like word association almost, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's mostly German.
Speaker 1: It gets so uncomfortable when the way that Reese's character
Speaker 1: is just delighting in it. Yeah, because he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be he's supposed to be the liberal one, but he's
Speaker 1: actually being he has been a dick, and he's you know,
Speaker 1: if he was really liberal, he would be saying to oh,
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter, like what your makeup is
Speaker 1: or but he's almost delighting in the fact that knowing
Speaker 1: that she will hate the fact that she's not as
Speaker 1: British as she thought she was.
Speaker 2: True, however, like when you've been surrounded by that for
Speaker 2: so long and she'll ha been oh yeah talking about him, mate,
Speaker 2: that's true, holier than thou and all this sort of
Speaker 2: like aren't I amazing to then find a reason as
Speaker 2: to why you're not perfect, like by your own standard.
Speaker 1: But in her face, Yeah, I can understand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he won't agree with it, but it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that she won't like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand that because.
Speaker 2: We had a we had a guy at work that
Speaker 2: was quite similar in that way. Oh really, like he
Speaker 2: was super duper British and we me and a friend
Speaker 2: joked that we wanted to do on the twenty three
Speaker 2: and meter test to find out that he was like
Speaker 2: half French or whatever. That would have killed him, but
Speaker 2: we daren't do it. I'll suggest it in case it
Speaker 2: turned out he actually was one hundred percent British and
Speaker 2: we'd never live it down. Yeah, it's yet more fuel
Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, we didn't go to the lengths of
Speaker 2: pretending we were doing quizzes and counting teeth. Hey, you
Speaker 2: remember that time.
Speaker 1: We got a cheeky swab in there. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the really stupid thing about this whole British pride thing
Speaker 1: is that of all the countries, like Britain is such
Speaker 1: an amalgam of different different things anyway, So what does
Speaker 1: it even mean to be British? Like you go back
Speaker 1: at far enough, you're going to be from all over
Speaker 1: the place anyway.
Speaker 2: So people we've invaded, people have invaded us back and sex, Ok,
Speaker 2: yeah for literally centuries.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, you're sixty percent German. Fraulein Schmidt
Speaker 1: and when he goes really like and so you decided
Speaker 1: to play detective hair Muller returns for a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be checking the Lotus Biscoff in a minute
Speaker 2: and checking it in date.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so this I find this a bit of
Speaker 1: a stretch because it turns out that her father is
Speaker 1: not really her father. Yeah, so that means that she's
Speaker 1: not going to inherit the house. Yeah, Like is that legitimate?
Speaker 1: Surely there's enough?
Speaker 2: I mean no, Like, yeah, maybe maybe you could have
Speaker 2: argued it if the father was a sound mind, and
Speaker 2: you could have played on his racism and got him
Speaker 2: to cut her out of the will. Yes, fine, yes,
Speaker 2: but presumably there will be a will already that says
Speaker 2: it goes to half and half and all this sort
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's irrelevant really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, no, Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: No, I can't believe someone with that bigger house and
Speaker 2: they're clearly a well to do family wouldn't have a
Speaker 2: will in place. The only reason that it would ever
Speaker 2: go to just them is if there wasn't a will
Speaker 2: and they'd had to you know, fight it out, and
Speaker 2: they could claim, you know, she's not family and all
Speaker 2: this sort of nonsense. Yeah, but yeah, I struggle to
Speaker 2: imagine that really would play out in real life. I
Speaker 2: love her so excited to claim that she was conceived
Speaker 2: on holiday in Western super mare of all places, and
Speaker 2: then to go from the banality of being conceived in
Speaker 2: Western supermer who was actually in the ski holiday in
Speaker 2: Bavaria or whatever. It's like, could you compare two different things?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, oli vomits mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Kid, Yeah, you got to pretend better than that.
Speaker 1: And use of appears mmm hood up looking especially Jesus like.
Speaker 2: And obviously no one else has seen him at this point,
Speaker 2: only Penny, so they're quite rightly sort of what who
Speaker 2: are you? Hi?
Speaker 1: Interesting that she just kind of him in and then
Speaker 1: just left him like yeah, to be in the.
Speaker 2: House, Like, what did she expect was going to happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, very strange.
Speaker 2: Doesn't really add up for me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and this is where it gets really like,
Speaker 1: you know who. You thought that the racist people were
Speaker 1: Mick and Dawn, Yeah, and that Brian was a bit
Speaker 1: more liberal. Turns out he has a much more extreme reaction.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a foreigner in our house a bomb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't really understand. Yeah, I know, it's
Speaker 2: whole The whole point is showing that, you know, just
Speaker 2: because you're liberal doesn't mean you can't be racist or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't really like what happens with Brian from here on.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1: It's the hypocrisy, isn't it. He takes such a holier
Speaker 1: than our attitude the whole time of like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm more sophisticated, I know the right way to be
Speaker 1: in that, this and that. But when it boils down
Speaker 1: to it and the actual fear in the moment of
Speaker 1: this stranger being in the house, he has this deep
Speaker 1: sort of visceral reaction.
Speaker 2: And I mean, if anything mixed the most like hospitable,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's treating him like a hedgehog,
Speaker 2: but at least he's offering him milk.
Speaker 1: And bread and like talking to him a bit more nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is funny though. Would you like some bread,
Speaker 1: bowl of milk or something it's not a head jug. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We also we've had the thing where the food has
Speaker 1: all sort of been eaten, but then they go back
Speaker 1: through and it's been replenished magically.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Ye house have been at work, and it's sort of Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you watch this for the first time,
Speaker 1: at what point did you start to think they're going
Speaker 1: down the Jesus route.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I think it was when
Speaker 2: I think it was the bottle of water actually after this, yeah,
Speaker 2: like the next one being the water and thinking, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're doing some sort of potentially supernaturally situation. Mmm.
Speaker 1: It's because I like the way that they have this
Speaker 1: whole thing of oh, this food has all been eaten
Speaker 1: and now it's it's back. And then mixes do you
Speaker 1: think he could be from a.
Speaker 2: Card, which the accent only helps, but the.
Speaker 1: Way that, you know, the way that they're kind of leading,
Speaker 1: like if any audience is starting to suspect that maybe
Speaker 1: they're doing a Jesus thing, and then Mix starts to
Speaker 1: say it, and then and meanwhile Brian is also assaulting
Speaker 1: use of oh God, unto the guise of frisking.
Speaker 2: Him mm hmmm and not holding back.
Speaker 1: And right in front of his son, Brian, yeah dear,
Speaker 1: once again treating him.
Speaker 2: As yeah, it's not easy to watch that bit.
Speaker 1: Noah, he's actually a horrible man, isn't he.
Speaker 2: I said, they all are really in one way or another.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think that I was gonna say
Speaker 1: the penny drops with penny, but she realizes that she's
Speaker 1: denied him three times, and so suddenly she gets very biblical. Yeah,
Speaker 1: drop all that Sunday school hours, Yeah, coming in. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, my lord and all that.
Speaker 2: You know. All the while, like Ralse worked out as
Speaker 2: Jesus already and thinks he's coming to take him away. Yes,
Speaker 2: which reminds me of you know the podcast they recommended
Speaker 2: to you, Lateral where they ask like lateral thinking questions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was an example one they had where I can't
Speaker 2: be the exact question how they got through it, but
Speaker 2: the anecdote that was the answer was that there was
Speaker 2: a guy called Jesus working in a hospital and he
Speaker 2: decided to go by a pseudonym just because he was
Speaker 2: frightening too many old people when they'd hear on the
Speaker 2: intercom Jesus to the toward three.
Speaker 1: Or whatever, yes.
Speaker 2: Or Jesus will be with you soon or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because he was like a porter or something.
Speaker 1: Oh dear, quite amazing. Yeah, yes, so he gets works
Speaker 1: up into a right tizzy.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the garden fork that was handily brought in
Speaker 1: by Steve earlier because he was pretending to be Britannia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quite well done. Actually I didn't like they didn't
Speaker 2: feel obvious when that the Yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Was well done. That was well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, subtle, subtle enough. Yeah, there was enough going on
Speaker 2: in that scene to distract you from it, exactly. Weird
Speaker 2: cloak in the head piece, Yes.
Speaker 1: As I like that bit when Brian's literally just gone
Speaker 1: through the whole it's rule comma Britannia, exclamation mark all
Speaker 1: that bit, and then Steve just comes in and he's like,
Speaker 1: Britannia rules the way. Just feel the pain if Brian, do.
Speaker 2: I have to teach you all again?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But yes, so stabby stabby, Ralph stabs you stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, several times, and then Brian joins in. Now this
Speaker 2: is the bit I don't understand. Yeah, why does Brian
Speaker 2: join in? I can't work that out.
Speaker 1: I think he's he's almost taken what Ralph's done as
Speaker 1: an excuse to start, you know, and he's he's you know,
Speaker 1: as we said, he had the most sort of visceral,
Speaker 1: probably the most sort of racist reaction to him and
Speaker 1: the fear.
Speaker 2: There's a difference between racism and actually wanting to kill someone,
Speaker 2: Like there's one thing to say that you want someone
Speaker 2: to not have rights or whatever, but to actually physically
Speaker 2: stab them in front of you.
Speaker 1: But it's the fear, isn't it. He thinks that it's
Speaker 1: an invader come into the house and heat that they're
Speaker 1: in danger. I think that's what he thinks.
Speaker 2: I could, I could maybe Eve understood it if Brian
Speaker 2: stabbed him first. But once he's been stabbed by Ralph,
Speaker 2: like shurely, he doesn't pose a threat at this point. Like,
Speaker 2: where's his justification for thinking he's in danger?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't doesn't quite work, does it.
Speaker 2: This guy's bleeding out on the floor in front of you, hmm,
Speaker 2: Like he's clean, not about to hurt you or whatever
Speaker 2: or whatever whatever racist thoughts you're thinking about this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if anything, surely that's the point when you go, oh shit,
Speaker 2: this is a person.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's when the racism surely melts away. If anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, you know, the.
Speaker 2: Whole we all bleed the same, all that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you'd.
Speaker 2: Think he would have, don't, because you can you can
Speaker 2: see a point where he goes, oh fuck base and
Speaker 2: grabs the knife off the mantelpiece or wherever it is.
Speaker 2: I just don't know what's going through his head at
Speaker 2: that point. No, And it's not like a point afterwards,
Speaker 2: whether he explains it or anything. No.
Speaker 1: The only thing is in the final scene where he
Speaker 1: says about self defense and we had to defend ourselves.
Speaker 2: But the dad had already done that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess, you know, it's such a hectic moment.
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. It is weird, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I guess it just feels to me a bit like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so Ralph's done this big stab, but Brian's will want
Speaker 1: to finish the job and make sure he's definitely definitely
Speaker 1: dead sort of thing.
Speaker 2: By stabbing him with something smaller.
Speaker 1: Clutching its straws here. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. I don't agree that Brian might
Speaker 2: have done that. I just don't understand what's going through
Speaker 2: his head to make him about doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I haven't thought about it too much, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jerusalem's blaring out at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're clean up now with Jerusalem playing ruined their
Speaker 2: best flag. Oh god, it looked quite a good one. Actually,
Speaker 2: it didn't look like a tacky polyester thing.
Speaker 1: No, but yeah, I mean, how on the nose do
Speaker 1: you want to get as well about you know, this
Speaker 1: patriotism and the blood on its hands and all that.
Speaker 2: And yeah, plus it's the whole point of this is
Speaker 2: that he is Jesus cross. Well yeah, true, Actually I'm
Speaker 2: not even considered that, but oh god, I said the line.
Speaker 2: But more that isn't the whole point of the Jerusalem
Speaker 2: Song about Jesus coming to England. Yeah, to England and
Speaker 2: building a new Jerusalem here and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And Jesus does come in, the first thing to do
Speaker 2: is kill him.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, it's all It's all connected. Yeah, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: so much you could say about that. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: was originally I was thinking more about like, this obsessive
Speaker 1: patriotism has caused so much bloodshed, so to have the
Speaker 1: sort of the flag soaked in blood has so sort
Speaker 1: of symbolic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And what I find weird is that through all this
Speaker 1: disposing of the body and doing the major clean up
Speaker 1: and everything, the TV is still on, still playing the proms.
Speaker 1: You think you'd turn that off. If anything's going to
Speaker 1: make you turn it off, it would be this. Apparently
Speaker 1: not Yeah, so they don't want the silence. She's even
Speaker 1: cleaning blood off the TV and it's still playing the.
Speaker 2: We're not going to miss a bit.
Speaker 1: No, so a bit later then, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Problems are finished. Were in silence at last?
Speaker 1: Yes, thank god. They say about they can't remember the
Speaker 1: last time the spare room has been used, and apparently
Speaker 1: it was last year when they had the argument about
Speaker 1: cream tease.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an argument I'll never understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ways to upset people from the West Country.
Speaker 2: I know, surely once you eat it, don't want it
Speaker 2: in your mouth and mushed about a bit, it doesn't
Speaker 2: make any difference anyhow, Very good point. Yeah, my argument
Speaker 2: isn't that one is right and what is wrong. It's
Speaker 2: neither matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, surely, it's just whichever is the more solid goes
Speaker 2: on first, because you can't rub a solid thing onto it.
Speaker 2: Don't even.
Speaker 1: I was wondering where that sentence was going. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: no they Yeah, they take it so seriously, don't they. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's probably even more divisive than Brexit.
Speaker 2: But they start to explain about how these miracles could
Speaker 2: have happened. Yeah, I've had a bit odd that Dawn
Speaker 2: and Mick that lived there seem amazed by the food,
Speaker 2: but then can explain the food like later, So surely
Speaker 2: they'd have known all this food existed. Yeah, and she's
Speaker 2: just filling up bottles with water that apparently are half
Speaker 2: full of beer or something. Yeah, and doesn't seem to care.
Speaker 2: She's just like, I'll top this bottle up and give
Speaker 2: it to the kids. Yeah, it was a little convenient
Speaker 2: or not convenient, but like it didn't it wasn't as
Speaker 2: satisfying how these things could have happened that weren't Jesus.
Speaker 1: E Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, I suppose
Speaker 1: you know, the fact that they are flimsy explanations goes
Speaker 1: towards it being that he really was Jesus. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: obviously it's supposed to be open ended. But yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, the fact that those explanations don't really
Speaker 1: add up is a nice pointer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you say it's open ended, but if it
Speaker 2: is open ended and it wasn't Jesus, yeah, it's Penny
Speaker 2: just gone insane at the end.
Speaker 1: Well, we only see it in the reflection in the window,
Speaker 1: don't we say, But.
Speaker 2: Presumably that's what she's seeing yeah, she.
Speaker 1: Could be hallucinating, yeah, or it could just it could
Speaker 1: just be a symbolic sort of you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So just to explain, Penny then sees quote unquote
Speaker 2: Jesus in his glowy hoodie in the window and gets
Speaker 2: a nice little cuddle. So is there an element of
Speaker 2: like she saw realized it was Jesus or she thinks
Speaker 2: it is and went along with it, whereas everyone else
Speaker 2: killed him and or covered up, like buried his body
Speaker 2: or whatever, and like she was the one that's like
Speaker 2: still in his good graces kind of thing maybe. Or
Speaker 2: is it that she's now died or something and he's
Speaker 2: come to take her away or what like. I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on at the end of this.
Speaker 1: No, I think she because you know, as soon as
Speaker 1: she twigs that it might be Jesus, she gets very
Speaker 1: very sort of fervent and very sort of religious. And
Speaker 1: it feels like she's got a lot of like religious
Speaker 1: knowledge and so like Bible knowledge, and it's like maybe
Speaker 1: she is the most sort of you know, pious out
Speaker 1: of them all or something. I don't know. And I
Speaker 1: know she says some horrible things to Brian, but she
Speaker 1: probably is the nicest. That of all of them, I
Speaker 1: think the nicest.
Speaker 2: She's just the dippiest.
Speaker 1: Well I don't know, Yeah, who knows, to be honest,
Speaker 1: or she.
Speaker 2: Just had a mental break at this point, and no,
Speaker 2: she's just seeing Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yes she could have done. But yeah, but there's got
Speaker 1: to be there's gotta be a reason that they only
Speaker 1: show in the reflection that we don't see it directly.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a vampire, he's a reverse vampire.
Speaker 1: So it is an interesting one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. First first troup. So I've watched it
Speaker 2: three times today. First watch, I ended it by going, well,
Speaker 2: what the fuck was that? Okay, and was expecting to
Speaker 2: rank this very low, And then I've watched it more
Speaker 2: times and I'm enjoying it more each time I've watched it.
Speaker 2: It's still weird and it's not one of my favorites,
Speaker 2: but it's it's better than it was. Okay, I'll let
Speaker 2: you rank first. Then Okay, well I mean that seem
Speaker 2: too cruel.
Speaker 1: No, that's fine. What depends what you count as cruel,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I, as I said before, I sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: write down a little provisional score and then see if
Speaker 1: it changes, and I think I did write down a seven.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, but it's I think it's jumped down to
Speaker 1: a six okay for me.
Speaker 2: You see, this is a bit where it's how you
Speaker 2: judge it in terms of would I rather watch this
Speaker 2: than another one? Is that a fair way to compare two?
Speaker 2: Because for like, I'm just looking at this series. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed last week's more, but it feels cruel to rank
Speaker 2: it a three.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would much rather watched last week's Again, I
Speaker 2: thought objectively it was probably better well then in a way,
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think I'm going to put
Speaker 2: it as a four, okay and tie it with last.
Speaker 1: Week, just a different kind of four. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on in it, Yeah, possibly too much?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Would it have more interesting if it had just
Speaker 2: been the whole Brexity patriotism thing? Did we need Jesus there?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, interesting, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not said it in a little while. It is one
Speaker 2: I think would have benefited from being longer. M h.
Speaker 2: If it had been an hour and a half and
Speaker 2: you'd have had you'd have gotten to properly understand these people.
Speaker 2: You may be able to see things a bit better
Speaker 2: and might have been slightly more satisfying. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know where was the hair?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you put it?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 2: Neither, Okay, I had to google. It's too many rooms
Speaker 2: and too much going on. It's on the window silled
Speaker 2: by the buffet table. Oh, okay, I think the window
Speaker 2: that she looks out and finds youse in first time. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's not very easy to see, and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of options where it.
Speaker 1: Could be fair enough, I gave up. Now, don't don't
Speaker 1: turn off as some people. Apparently. We've got a whole
Speaker 1: fun thing that we like to do at the end
Speaker 1: of a series. It's quiz time.
Speaker 2: Quiz time, right, So we'll have one question per episode.
Speaker 2: Feel free to play along at home and see how
Speaker 2: you do. We'll be starting with Wuthering Heist. So my
Speaker 2: question for you, Stephen is how much were the diamonds worth? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think I know, of course you fucking do. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I feel so bad, but I think
Speaker 1: I do know. I think is it? Is it? Twelve
Speaker 1: million pounds? It is?
Speaker 2: Hell? I was struggling on that one. There were so
Speaker 2: many other questions I could have gone with, and I
Speaker 2: was like, even I think these are crawl. I was like,
Speaker 2: what's the name of the coffee shop where they're going
Speaker 2: to steal?
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have got that that.
Speaker 2: What was it called? It had a pun name it
Speaker 2: has been or whatever, brew something I can't remember now,
Speaker 2: But yeah, nearly with that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, your question for Weathering heighst is I'm sure
Speaker 1: you'll get this.
Speaker 2: I don't say that.
Speaker 1: What is revealed to be Colum Beaner's real name.
Speaker 2: Inspects Janis? Well someone janis Janis?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, detective sergeant. Actually, but yes, i'llargue you.
Speaker 2: That assume as the hell inspectors. I've given her too
Speaker 2: much power. Yeah, So Simon says, what Rotten Tomatoes scored?
Speaker 2: Did the finale of nine Circle receive?
Speaker 1: Oh, thirty three percent?
Speaker 2: Hello, yes, it's thirty thing thirty one?
Speaker 1: Okay, that was close.
Speaker 2: It wasn't it was?
Speaker 1: But no cigar?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay? What food item is a key part of Spencer's
Speaker 1: breakfast rough team when he's writing great for it?
Speaker 2: Yes, so lip service? What is Iris's dad chat username?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, something really rude just pops into my It
Speaker 1: was more like a grinder username. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say that. I don't know. It's something like bored Dad.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Pass tired Terry sixty six, Ah, tired Terry. Oh.
Speaker 1: I thought you'd know that one, Michael, And I know
Speaker 1: you fucking know you know this because you fucking mentioned
Speaker 1: it earlier in this episode. Yes, Michael, is what brand
Speaker 1: of biscuits? Does Muller have to check the.
Speaker 2: Lotus ones?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Correct? Hurry up and wait? What scene number is James
Speaker 2: appearing in.
Speaker 1: Twelve Bollocks Bollocks Bollocks Bollocks? Which Shakespearean TV series? Does
Speaker 1: James say he loved Adrian dunbar in? Oh?
Speaker 2: I remember him saying it. The only one that's jumping out.
Speaker 2: I'm certain is wrong, but I don't have anything else
Speaker 2: to say, So I'm going to say the Tempest, but
Speaker 2: I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: No, it was the Hollow Crown.
Speaker 2: Oh. I didn't even I didn't even know that was
Speaker 2: a Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: Well it's not. It's the Nest, the name of the
Speaker 1: TV series, but it combined several of Shakespeare's histories.
Speaker 2: Right, That's what was That's what was confusing me. I
Speaker 2: think I was no, no, no, it's not your fault.
Speaker 2: But I think I was thinking of a Shakespeare play
Speaker 2: and couldn't make any of them fit. How do you plead? What? Oh,
Speaker 2: you'll know this. What was Andrew Waite accused of? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know it. Oh what was he accused of?
Speaker 1: I know he the false evidence of a photo of
Speaker 1: him at a party miles away? But what was he
Speaker 1: accused of doing? How specific do you have to be?
Speaker 1: Can I just say murder?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: What is it? Then? Well? I don't know is it is?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it?
Speaker 1: Murder? Something? Murdering something somebody?
Speaker 2: I want? Yeah, I want it a little bit more specific.
Speaker 2: I'll let you off with not the exact but what
Speaker 2: is the mode of murder?
Speaker 1: Oh, the mode of murder?
Speaker 2: Like? How did how did this person? What did they do?
Speaker 2: I'll let you have that.
Speaker 1: Strangling somebody? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is it strangled his mistress with a belt?
Speaker 1: Do I deserve that point?
Speaker 2: I'll let you decide whether you deserve it.
Speaker 1: Well, I've only got one point so far. They will say, yes,
Speaker 1: if we could do half points, I have half a point.
Speaker 2: For you.
Speaker 1: What nickname was Webster known by during his winning streak.
Speaker 2: I know half of it. It's the line of something. Okay,
Speaker 2: we don't guess, but I don't think it's right. It'll
Speaker 2: be something like the Lion of the Bailey or something
Speaker 2: that is exactly it.
Speaker 1: I was actually I was about to say, I'll let
Speaker 1: you have the Lion, because that's they call him the
Speaker 1: line at one point as well. But no, you've got it.
Speaker 1: You've got You've got the full one daily.
Speaker 2: Right last night of the problems, Where did Penny give
Speaker 2: you sift two pounds?
Speaker 1: The graveyard of Saint Peter's Church?
Speaker 2: No, okay, that was where she first met him outside
Speaker 2: farm Foods. Okay, damn well, I'm glad you've got two
Speaker 2: because I'm starting to feel like you're letting me win
Speaker 2: it the No, I wouldn't do.
Speaker 1: That, trust me. I would say your final question, but
Speaker 1: not that it matters now. But what is the real
Speaker 1: title of the British Airways music by delib.
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know. I genuinely haven't. I can't even
Speaker 2: get no, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's the flower duet?
Speaker 2: Wow wow, I actually won one.
Speaker 1: Congratulations. So the score was four to two, four to
Speaker 1: two to you, well done, thank you. I hope that
Speaker 1: didn't sound patronizing. I didn't mean it.
Speaker 2: But more importantly, we're twenty one to nineteen overall, are we?
Speaker 1: Oh damn? Oh, you're actually catching up?
Speaker 2: I am. That was what I was more concerned about overall.
Speaker 1: Because at the end of this whole thing, we want
Speaker 1: to see who the ultimate victory is. Well, bring on
Speaker 1: series seven. That's what I say. That was fun.
Speaker 2: That was fun.
Speaker 1: I did shit today.
Speaker 2: It's a lot more fun when you win, isn't it.
Speaker 2: How did you do at home? Yes? I doesn't know.
Speaker 2: Are we too cruel to each other?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's it. That's series six wrapped up.
Speaker 2: It is what percentage of the way through the series
Speaker 2: are we? Stephen?
Speaker 1: Oh, shut up? Sixty six point six recurring?
Speaker 2: Indeed, I almost pointed out that you've got it slightly
Speaker 2: wrong earlier, but I was holding back my pedantry.
Speaker 1: No, but I just quoted literally what you said at
Speaker 1: the time you said, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I was just so happy that
Speaker 2: you've got something wrong exactly.
Speaker 1: God were such nerds.
Speaker 2: AnyWho.
Speaker 1: So we'll be back in a couple of weeks or
Speaker 1: a few weeks or whatever for series seven. We will
Speaker 1: indeed starting with merrily merrily. Yeah, But until then, I
Speaker 1: think it's time to close the door on number nine.
Speaker 2: We never really leave, do you.
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