Speaker 1: Hey Shannon, Hey, pretty girl, how are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing really good. How are you?
Speaker 1: I did not mean that in any kind of way
Speaker 1: by referring to you as girl.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 1: That's on a spiritual level that transcends time and space.
Speaker 2: I read you call me a girl, then call me ma'am.
Speaker 1: So I just saw this real where so they're like,
Speaker 1: what's just happened. I was leaving and the guy left
Speaker 1: the door open, and I said thank you, and he
Speaker 1: was like, you're welcome, you fan ugly bitch, and I
Speaker 1: was and then she pauses and he's like, no, he
Speaker 1: said thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 2: But might as well. I was somewhere on the baby
Speaker 2: before yesterday and I bought something and I was getting
Speaker 2: ready to leave and I turned around. I grabbed my
Speaker 2: stuff and I heard excuse me, ma'am, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: she's not talking to me. But that was because I
Speaker 2: forgot to sign the slip because I'd used my debit card.
Speaker 2: It has bothered me. Ever, in the past two days,
Speaker 2: I've been thinking, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. It's just bouncing around
Speaker 2: in my head and I'm just like, really, I look
Speaker 2: like a ma'am.
Speaker 1: Oh, we should be embracing ma'am like we finally made
Speaker 1: it to ma'am.
Speaker 2: You have made lots of us.
Speaker 1: Lots of people don't make it to ma'am or what
Speaker 1: is the thing for sir people?
Speaker 2: But sir is yeah, so it's just generic. But I
Speaker 2: wouldn't call like a twenty year old sir. You remember
Speaker 2: an absolutely fabulous when somebody would call Patsy and they'd
Speaker 2: be like madame and she's like, Mozelle, madame felle, Oh,
Speaker 2: I love pat They went to France, so funny. Damn, Maemoiselle.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Yes, tell us girl, you have a good
Speaker 1: story for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty gruesome one. So before we get
Speaker 2: into it, I just want to ask everyone to hit
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Speaker 2: notifications when we have new episodes out. So this one,
Speaker 2: I think is kind of well known. I've heard of
Speaker 2: it before, but I'm thinking maybe I've only heard of
Speaker 2: it because I'm a sick fuck. I don't know, So
Speaker 2: I'm going to get into it. On May seventh, two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, a man from the town of Kurum
Speaker 2: in the Czech Republic called the police. He had set
Speaker 2: up a video baby monitor an attempt to have it
Speaker 2: prepared for when his partner got home from the hospital
Speaker 2: with their newborn daughter. So he's busy setting this up. However,
Speaker 2: when he turned it on, the video that was going
Speaker 2: wasn't coming from his house. The video he was seeing
Speaker 2: was of a small boy naked and hogtied in a
Speaker 2: tiny empty room, laying face down on a concrete floor. So,
Speaker 2: of course he calls the police, and when the police arrived,
Speaker 2: they quickly discovered that the video feed was coming from
Speaker 2: the flat next door from where the man was living.
Speaker 2: So police go over there. They knock, and the women
Speaker 2: occupying the flat were really less than cooperative, but the
Speaker 2: police did manage to make their way in and they
Speaker 2: eventually found the small cellar where they discovered a seven
Speaker 2: year old boy named Andre. After untying him and bringing
Speaker 2: him to the ambulance, he began answering questions for the police.
Speaker 2: During his first interview, he told the officers that it
Speaker 2: all started when they met their adopted sister Anishka, So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call her Anna, okay. Klara Maova had been
Speaker 2: described as a good mother by her younger sister, Gabriella,
Speaker 2: her parents, and her professors at university, who met the
Speaker 2: boys often when she would bring them on school trips.
Speaker 2: Yakub was older than Andre by two years, so Clara
Speaker 2: has these two sons, Cub and Andre. Clara would play
Speaker 2: with their children, take them on vacation, and she was
Speaker 2: an affectionate parent. No one was concerned about her ability
Speaker 2: or desire to care for her children. Over time, though,
Speaker 2: her behavior became more erratic and unstable, leading to her
Speaker 2: separation and eventual divorce from her husband. She was described
Speaker 2: as being gullible, naive, and easily manipulated. Clara was thirty
Speaker 2: one years old when she moved in with her older
Speaker 2: sister Katerina after her divorce and as a young mother.
Speaker 2: Clara was working toward her degree in teaching, and she
Speaker 2: had a job working with Katerina at the youth center
Speaker 2: that she ran. In the summer of two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: Katerina approached Clara about a young girl, a Norwegian orphan
Speaker 2: named Anna. Katerina was wondering if Clara could look after
Speaker 2: her since she was doing so well raising her boys.
Speaker 2: Katerina described anna situation to her sister, telling her that
Speaker 2: the girl was ill and traumatized. Over time, Anna opened
Speaker 2: up to Clara, telling her about her life after her
Speaker 2: parent's death. She had been in an orphanage where she
Speaker 2: had been sold to a pedophile ring in doorway. She
Speaker 2: was traumatized after being raised in a violent environment consisting
Speaker 2: of physical and sexual abuse. Clara looked over her file
Speaker 2: and learned she was suffering from a variety of illnesses,
Speaker 2: including leukemia, epilepsy, and kidney failure, which required regular hospitalizations
Speaker 2: for the administration of different medications and treatments. The doctor
Speaker 2: stated she would be lucky to live to the age
Speaker 2: of sixteen. Clara decided to welcome her into the house
Speaker 2: around September two thousand and five, and this is when
Speaker 2: life changed for Andre and Yaka. Clara cared for Anna
Speaker 2: at the instructions of her doctor, who would use text
Speaker 2: and email to communicate. When they met in person, it
Speaker 2: would be late at night in his car, so she
Speaker 2: never really got to see his face. The doctor told
Speaker 2: Clara that in order for Anna to heal from her
Speaker 2: past trauma, she was going to have to feel completely
Speaker 2: at home. Clara needed to lavish Anna with praise and attention,
Speaker 2: and reassurance. He had also diagnosed her with a condition
Speaker 2: that caused spinal fluid to build up, but he said
Speaker 2: it could be treated with massage therapy. One of the
Speaker 2: treatments prescribed for Clara to perform on Anna to assist
Speaker 2: this condition was to rub all over her body, especially
Speaker 2: the intimate areas, in order to desensitize and reprogram her
Speaker 2: past sexual trauma. As Anna began to improve, the care
Speaker 2: of Clara's sons began to fall away, taking care of
Speaker 2: Anna became an obsession. Clara would often send her boys
Speaker 2: to stay with their grandparents while she was busy caring
Speaker 2: for this girl, who she was beginning to consider her daughter.
Speaker 2: Katerina had been taking Anna to her chemotherapy, and her
Speaker 2: doctor would continue to treat her remotely, sending care instructions
Speaker 2: by text and email. Clara would authorize or perform whatever
Speaker 2: he suggested. It didn't take long before Clara said she
Speaker 2: wanted to adopt the girl. By the summer of two
Speaker 2: thousand and six, Clara had been working to adopt Anna
Speaker 2: without success for almost nine months. Anna's doctors began expressing
Speaker 2: concern about the family situation. Anna had told him that
Speaker 2: Andrea and Yakub were mean to her. He felt she
Speaker 2: would not ever be part of the family if they
Speaker 2: didn't accept her. The doctor suggested using corporal punishment on
Speaker 2: her son's to make them behave They had quote evil
Speaker 2: spirits end quote, and their mother needed to cure them
Speaker 2: with strong discipline, tough love, and physical punishment. Beginning in
Speaker 2: July two thousand and six, Clara started looking for any
Speaker 2: excuse to beat her boys with her bare hands, wooden spoons,
Speaker 2: and belt buckles. She would have them kneel for hours
Speaker 2: at a time, or threaten to lock them in small
Speaker 2: rooms or cupboards, where they would be left with no food, water,
Speaker 2: or access to a toilet. At night, they would sleep
Speaker 2: on a mat on the floor. They were isolated from
Speaker 2: other members of their family and friends, and this continued
Speaker 2: for about five weeks. By August two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: An his doctors ordered Clara to take her sons to
Speaker 2: a small cottage in Versa Betiska and I probably said that.
Speaker 1: Wrong sounded like a song to my ears.
Speaker 2: Oh my dear great, I know, thank you You're in
Speaker 2: the secluded cabin there they would re educate the boys.
Speaker 2: In late August, Andre and Yakub arrived at the property,
Speaker 2: surrounded by trees which worked to block the view from
Speaker 2: all sides. Their aunt, Katerina was already there. Katerina had
Speaker 2: two dog cages with her, one for each brother. They
Speaker 2: would be locked in the dog kennels during their time there.
Speaker 2: The cajas were too small for the boys to stand
Speaker 2: up in or move around, fed scraps of food, and
Speaker 2: were not released to use the bathroom, forcing them to
Speaker 2: lay in their own urine and excrement, and they were
Speaker 2: forbidden from making any noise without having the threat of
Speaker 2: violence held over them. The first night when the re
Speaker 2: education quote unquote began, the boys were blindfolded, they were restrained,
Speaker 2: and they were beaten by their mother and their aunt.
Speaker 2: Andrea and Yakub were held under water until they believed
Speaker 2: they would drown. Their mother scratched and stabbed the boys
Speaker 2: with a fork. The children were made to memorize offensive
Speaker 2: and adult sayings, and they would be punished if they
Speaker 2: didn't get the words correct when asked to repeat the phrases.
Speaker 2: Anna was kept separate from Yakub and Andrea. She was
Speaker 2: being appropriately doted on for the doctor's orders. When she
Speaker 2: asked if Yakub and Andrea were mean to her, did
Speaker 2: she feel at home? Anna accused Andrea of hurting her,
Speaker 2: causing him to be particularly targeted by the abusers, who
Speaker 2: were regularly receiving orders from the doctor over text an email.
Speaker 2: Clara reported to him that Andre wasn't responding to the
Speaker 2: re education plan, so he told her exactly what to
Speaker 2: do next. The next time Yakub asked for a glass
Speaker 2: of water, Clara handed it to Andre to give to
Speaker 2: his brother. He did as he was told, and Yakub
Speaker 2: drake from the glass. Then Clara and Katerina took Yakub away,
Speaker 2: leaving Andre scared, confused and alone. When Clara returned, she
Speaker 2: told Andre that the water he gave to his brother
Speaker 2: was poisoned. At this point, she took Andre out into
Speaker 2: the backyard and showed him his brother's lifeless body in
Speaker 2: a freshly dug grave. But she said if Andre behaved
Speaker 2: himself and followed all the instructions, Yakub could be brought
Speaker 2: back to life. Andre promised to be good, and Yakob
Speaker 2: stood up after he drank the water. Yakub had been
Speaker 2: brought upstairs and told to pretend to be dead until
Speaker 2: Andre promised to be good. This is so fucked.
Speaker 1: This is fucking horrible. Now, and this is two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like twenty years ago. Right.
Speaker 1: It sounds like some medievals. Dumb shit, dumb right, people
Speaker 1: can't think critically.
Speaker 2: I know, it's just horrific. The next instructions the doctors
Speaker 2: gave to Clara were straight out of a horror movie.
Speaker 2: He told Clara she was going to have to burn
Speaker 2: Andre's buttocks, cut off a piece of his flesh, and
Speaker 2: feed it to the boy.
Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At this requirement, Clara began to resist. The doctor assured
Speaker 2: her that the re education procedures he was asking her
Speaker 2: to perform were scientifically prove it. This is going to work.
Speaker 2: They were almost through the whole program. Clara refused. The
Speaker 2: doctor expressed his disappointment, but said there was another way,
Speaker 2: and she was asked to leave the cottage. Clara and
Speaker 2: Anna left to return home, but before they left, Clara
Speaker 2: authorized the doctor's backup abuse cal to do whatever was ordered.
Speaker 2: Katerina would wait for them to arrive. The backup team
Speaker 2: consisted of Yans Turik and I'm gonna call him Turik,
Speaker 2: Khans Skurla and I will call him Yans and Hannah Basova,
Speaker 2: who Andrea and Jakub knew as Anti Nisi. So we
Speaker 2: have Turik, Yans and Anti Nissi. Okay, they're the what
Speaker 2: did you call them? The cavalry, the abuse cavalry. Okay.
Speaker 2: Each of them was closely connected to Katerina's youth center.
Speaker 2: Hans and Anti Nissi were scout leaders. Turik was a
Speaker 2: friend of Jan's who occasionally worked at the youth center
Speaker 2: as an assistant. Upon their arrival, Katerina greeted them, thank
Speaker 2: them from the work they were about to do, and Sheila.
Speaker 2: When the front door shot, the children were quickly gagged, stripped, restained, mutilated,
Speaker 2: and tortured. Per the duct orders. The re education would
Speaker 2: take eight days. So note after that one instance of
Speaker 2: suggested cannibalism, it isn't discussed again. I don't believe that
Speaker 2: cannibalism took place in this case. Okay. When Clara was
Speaker 2: told by the doctor that it was time to return
Speaker 2: to get Yakub and Andre, she entered the cottage, knelt
Speaker 2: next to her young children and told them that if
Speaker 2: they ever told anyone what happened at the cottage, she
Speaker 2: would bring them back there. When they left, Clara took
Speaker 2: Anna back to their home and continued attempting to get
Speaker 2: her adopted through the courts. The boys were sent with
Speaker 2: Katerina Anti Nissi and Yans. They took the boys to
Speaker 2: an after school clubhouse where Katerina, Anti Nissi and Jans
Speaker 2: sometimes worked as group leaders. They kept Yakub and Andre
Speaker 2: separated and continued abusing them. Clara never visited and the
Speaker 2: boys were never allowed to see or speak to other
Speaker 2: family members. The adoption was very much Clara's focus, and
Speaker 2: Katerina was very involved in that process. One of the
Speaker 2: issues Anna was having in the adoption process was a
Speaker 2: lack of identification. Katerina and Clara went in front of
Speaker 2: the courts to explain the need for Anna to be adopted,
Speaker 2: telling them having identification would make it easier for her
Speaker 2: to obtain her medical treatments. The courts agreed. They required
Speaker 2: Anna to go through the age ratification process in order
Speaker 2: to have a birthday to put on the documents, and
Speaker 2: this process would take months. On September tenth, two thousand
Speaker 2: and six, Andre turned seven. Just a month later, on
Speaker 2: October sixth Yakub turned nine. Around this time, Anna's age
Speaker 2: ratification was completed. She was found to be thirteen or
Speaker 2: fourteen years old. The paperwork needed for Clara to obtain
Speaker 2: an adoption hearing was complete. Four months into the boy's
Speaker 2: imprisonment in the clubhouse. Something changed. In January two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, Clara moved her family into a home arranged
Speaker 2: and paid for by Anna's doctors. Around the same time,
Speaker 2: Andrea was moved out of the clubhouse and into this
Speaker 2: home with his mother and Anna and Kiram the Czech Republic.
Speaker 2: Yakub would stay with Katerina Yan's and Anti Nissi. Occasionally,
Speaker 2: Yakub would be allowed to go to school, but he
Speaker 2: was constantly threatened against saying anything about the abuse. Fifteen
Speaker 2: kilometers away, Andrea was being kept in a small, windowless
Speaker 2: cupboard in Clara's home. Anna's adoption hearing took place on
Speaker 2: March twenty six, two thousand and seven, and the adoption
Speaker 2: was approved that day. She was now Anna Moriova. On
Speaker 2: Monday May seventh, two thousand and seven, that's when that
Speaker 2: neighbor called to file the police report. He'd been, like
Speaker 2: I said, attempted to connect a baby monitor and intercepted
Speaker 2: the feed from Clara's house. The recording distance of the
Speaker 2: monitor was about thirty to fifteen meters, so when the
Speaker 2: police arrived, they knew the feed had to be coming
Speaker 2: from a neighboring house. An officer in the room recognized
Speaker 2: the song being played in the background of the video.
Speaker 2: Turning down the noise of the video, the officers pressed
Speaker 2: cups to the walls, amplifying the sound to hear what
Speaker 2: was being played in the neighboring apartments, And so they
Speaker 2: heard the song in the video, you know, And that's
Speaker 2: how they discovered that it was the apartment. Knocking on
Speaker 2: the front door of the home, like I said, the
Speaker 2: two sisters answered, they refused police entry, and even though
Speaker 2: they didn't have a search warrant, the police considered this
Speaker 2: situation to be exceptional, so they decided to just go in,
Speaker 2: and that's when they saw the storage cabinet with padlock
Speaker 2: on it. The police asked Clara and Katerina to produce
Speaker 2: the key, which they refused to do, so the police
Speaker 2: began trying to remove the lock themselves. The women pushed
Speaker 2: into the way. A scuffle ensued between the two parties
Speaker 2: and a young girl in her pajamas came in the
Speaker 2: room yelling Mama, mama. She began holding onto the officer's
Speaker 2: leg to hinder their effort to unlock the door. But
Speaker 2: you know, the police ended up.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're talking about the Czech Republic police. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's sugar. They're going to get what they need.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The spell that emanated from the small cellar was horrendous.
Speaker 2: The order of urine, feces and vomit was overwhelming. Next door,
Speaker 2: Edward was watching the scene unfold from his baby monitor.
Speaker 2: Right when the police started knocking on the front door,
Speaker 2: the video went dark, as if someone had turned off
Speaker 2: the light in the room. When the door was opened
Speaker 2: to search downstairs, that's when the video came back on
Speaker 2: and he could see the naked, restrained boy being lifted
Speaker 2: up by the police and having his restraints removed. And
Speaker 2: Andrey was then taken to that waiting ambulance. The seven
Speaker 2: year old told officers that he was kept in the
Speaker 2: cupboard under the stairs while his mother and sister lived
Speaker 2: freely throughout the house. The other women in the home
Speaker 2: was his aunt, who visited often, Aunt Katerina. Neither Clara
Speaker 2: nor Katerina inquired about Andrey's well being after he was rescued,
Speaker 2: Clara was arrested for child abuse of Andre and nine
Speaker 2: year old Yakub, who was located. Later that evening, all
Speaker 2: three of her children were taken into custody at a
Speaker 2: children's home. Initially it appeared as if the boys were adjusting,
Speaker 2: but Andre was taken to the hospital that first night
Speaker 2: after exhibiting signs of PTSD and an anxiety disorder. Later,
Speaker 2: when bedchecks were done, Yakub was spotted sleeping in his bed,
Speaker 2: but Anna had vanished. She had been withdrawn upon being
Speaker 2: removed from her mother's care, and she seemed to be
Speaker 2: unsettled at the shelter. Officers searched for Anna, utilizing their resources.
Speaker 2: People took to the news to hear suspensions from an
Speaker 2: employee at the children's shelter that she had been kidnapped.
Speaker 2: They vocalized concerns about how fragile her health was and
Speaker 2: how was she going to handle the cold spring weather
Speaker 2: of the Czech Republic. The room had been searched for clues,
Speaker 2: and it appeared she had left out the window. The
Speaker 2: staff explained the window would not have been able to
Speaker 2: be opened by a child. Anna would have needed an
Speaker 2: adult to assist her. Yakab remained at the children's shelter
Speaker 2: alone and was mostly left to his own devices. One day,
Speaker 2: while watching TV, he saw pictures of his brother in
Speaker 2: captivity flash across the screen with the statement Andre gave
Speaker 2: police detailing his ordeal. Yakab watched as his brother's statement
Speaker 2: played and listened to him when Andre said that he
Speaker 2: had been abused for a long time and by more
Speaker 2: people than just his mother. It took Yakub a little
Speaker 2: longer to be as open, but as time passed he
Speaker 2: felt comfortable telling the staff at the children's home that
Speaker 2: the same had been for him. The marks all over
Speaker 2: their bodies found when the boys were rescued told the story.
Speaker 2: Both had burns, scratches, and scars all over them. It
Speaker 2: was obvious the boys had been through significant trauma that
Speaker 2: would require long term psychological care. Evaluations would make it
Speaker 2: clear they struggled with feelings of loneliness, isolation, guilt, and abandonment.
Speaker 2: That they had difficulty concentrating, and exhibited signs of PTSD, anxiety,
Speaker 2: and other developmental mood and sleep disorders. Within days of
Speaker 2: their rescue, Yakub started school, attending class in person. Andre
Speaker 2: would begin school through a homeschool program at the children's home.
Speaker 2: Nine days after Anna disappeared, three identical envelopes arrived at
Speaker 2: the Bernau Ombudsman, the local newspaper, and the office of
Speaker 2: the Czech Republic's president. She had put a photocopy of
Speaker 2: the same nine page handwritten letter in each envelope, dated
Speaker 2: six days earlier, signed Anna Moriova. In the letter, she
Speaker 2: requested people and not to come looking for her, but
Speaker 2: she did have things to say about life with her family.
Speaker 2: She said that Andre would torment and threaten her, mostly
Speaker 2: at night when no one would be around to witness
Speaker 2: his behavior. The five year old yes.
Speaker 1: Tea yeah, well geared yes. When she first arrived, I
Speaker 1: was tormented by in you're eight years fucking apart. Time
Speaker 1: go ahead, right.
Speaker 2: She said he would lash out, targeting her and threatening
Speaker 2: her to stay quiet when he told her that she'd
Speaker 2: be taken away if she spoke up.
Speaker 1: I can't even keep a straight face. Threatening the older sibling.
Speaker 1: She'll be th Yeah, a tantrum. You mean he had
Speaker 1: a tantrum.
Speaker 2: I know he lashed out, lashed out. Anna defended Clara,
Speaker 2: saying she was a good mother. According to Anna, even
Speaker 2: though he exhibited such poor behavior. Andre was not at
Speaker 2: all abused. He was never locked away for extended periods
Speaker 2: of time. I guess that's why the police found him
Speaker 2: in the cellar.
Speaker 1: Yeah hog tied?
Speaker 2: Yeah kid and does that right? Oh, that he's been
Speaker 2: there a while, Anna said. Clara pleaded with the boys
Speaker 2: to treat Anna nicely. Both Clara and Anna were fearful
Speaker 2: that Andre's behavior would compromise the ability of Clara to
Speaker 2: adopt the girl. In the letter, Anna said that she
Speaker 2: fled the shelter only when she learned her mother could
Speaker 2: be imprisoned for nine years. It didn't indicate where she
Speaker 2: had gone, and the only clue from the postage showed
Speaker 2: the letter was sent from a town just north of Burnout.
Speaker 2: The President of the Czech Republic announced his disbelief that
Speaker 2: the letter was written by a teenager. The collegists agreed
Speaker 2: it was more likely that Anna had received help from
Speaker 2: an adult to write the letter and to deliver it
Speaker 2: to the post office. Forensic investigator searched Anna's room at
Speaker 2: the shelter, looking for clues on who helped her with
Speaker 2: her escape. When the surfaces were swabbed, a sample of
Speaker 2: unknown DNA was found When it was tested, it was
Speaker 2: found to be a familial match to Yahn's the man
Speaker 2: who had joined in the abuse at the cottage and
Speaker 2: continued the abuse at the clubhouse. The DNA in Anna's
Speaker 2: room belonged to his older sister, Barbara Suerlova. Like your brother,
Speaker 2: Barboa worked at Katerina's youth center. The amount of DNA
Speaker 2: in the room at the children's home indicated that Barboa
Speaker 2: had to have lived there for a number of days.
Speaker 2: Though Barboa's whereabouts were unknown, authorities were certain she was
Speaker 2: with Anna. This is so fucking weird it is. This
Speaker 2: case is fascinating just because how weird it is. It's
Speaker 2: just crazy anyway. The teen's disappearance was pushed extensively throughout
Speaker 2: Czech Republic on all types of media, showing pictures of
Speaker 2: Clara with Anna on her left. Anna is wearing glasses,
Speaker 2: her eyes downcast, and her hair in pigtail French braids.
Speaker 2: Days passed before a staff member from Katerina's youth center
Speaker 2: phoned the police. She reported she had seen the pictures
Speaker 2: of Anna that were being circulated. The person next to
Speaker 2: Clara and the picture was not a thirteen year old
Speaker 2: girl named Anna it was a woman who had worked
Speaker 2: at Katerina's youth center for the last seven years. It
Speaker 2: was Barboa Sharlova. This is bizarre, right this yeah, this is.
Speaker 1: An onion man. This is now low thin skin. Yes.
Speaker 2: Barboa was the oldest of three children, Barboa. We'll just
Speaker 2: call her Barbara, okay, I'm sure and massacring it. She
Speaker 2: was the oldest of three children, being raised by an
Speaker 2: alcoholic mother and a father who chose his work as
Speaker 2: a boy's youth group leader over his family. Barb began
Speaker 2: spending a lot of time out nature. She preferred the
Speaker 2: solace it provided over the complications of dealing with people
Speaker 2: I kind of relate totally. Throughout her childhood, she was
Speaker 2: treated for various neurological and cardiac conditions, including epilepsy, as
Speaker 2: well as having been diagnosed with a slow pituitary gland
Speaker 2: which inhibited her ability to age. When Barbara was in
Speaker 2: her early twenties, she met Katerina Mariova. The two became
Speaker 2: friends and eventually moved in together, leading Barb and her
Speaker 2: youngest brother, John's, working at Katerina's youth center in two
Speaker 2: thousand and five, with the assistance of Katerina Barbi began
Speaker 2: creating a new identity for herself as a thirteen year
Speaker 2: old girl named Anna. The identity included a traumatic backstory
Speaker 2: for their teenage identity in the hopes of garnering compassion
Speaker 2: from people. It could also make it more difficult to disprove.
Speaker 2: Barb starved herself for months to be able to portray
Speaker 2: the appearance of a sickly teen, ultimately losing half her weight.
Speaker 2: She wore children's clothes, hats, and glasses, you know, to
Speaker 2: make herself look like a teenager. Yeah, and then in
Speaker 2: the summer of two thousand and five, Katerina introduced her
Speaker 2: to her sister Clara. Barr played the character of Anna
Speaker 2: perfectly every day for the next two years, sharing heartbreaking
Speaker 2: stories about the deaths of her parents, how she was
Speaker 2: sold to a pedophile, ring about all of her health struggles.
Speaker 2: Everything was made up, down to her louki me a diagnosis.
Speaker 2: The medical documentation provided to Clara by her sister upon
Speaker 2: introducing Anna into the family were all fake. Katerina would
Speaker 2: regularly collect Barb from Clara's house for her quote unquote, chemotherapy.
Speaker 2: When she returned Anna, Anna would be weak with a
Speaker 2: blanket on and tubes sticking out of her. It was
Speaker 2: all an act. Anna's doctors never even existed. While it
Speaker 2: was never conclusively established, it was believed that Barb's brother
Speaker 2: Yans played that role, possibly having disguised himself and produced
Speaker 2: fake credentials when he met Clara. Medical file he had
Speaker 2: been given to Clara to read was also fake. So
Speaker 2: all those instructions about abusing her sons, and all of
Speaker 2: that from the doctor, that was all possibly Yan's. All
Speaker 2: the legal assistants over the course of the adoption provided
Speaker 2: by the Deputy ambudsman, the medicalists since provided by doctors
Speaker 2: who examined Anna and submitted reports to the court. The
Speaker 2: judge who approved the adoption and gave Anna her legal identity,
Speaker 2: had all been deceived, and the judge had made her
Speaker 2: decision on the adoption based on false medical records. The
Speaker 2: doctors who had examined Anna during the age of raification
Speaker 2: process had taken X rays and samples of her DNA.
Speaker 2: The doctor concluding the exam had correctly determined that the
Speaker 2: individual present was between thirteen and fourteen years old. However,
Speaker 2: their patient had not been barbed. Katerina had duped a
Speaker 2: friend and used their teenage daughter to impersonate Anna during
Speaker 2: the assessment. Clara was aware of this con and went
Speaker 2: along with it based on the doctor's advice. She was
Speaker 2: told at the time that if they didn't do this,
Speaker 2: the courts would discover Anna's leukemia and the adoption would
Speaker 2: be denied right away. Over the course of the investigation,
Speaker 2: it was discovered that all the Texan emails from Anna's
Speaker 2: doctors were found to have originated from accounts belonging to Katerina.
Speaker 2: Every single instruction on how to abuse Yakab and Andre
Speaker 2: had come from their own aunt. While Barb egged it on,
Speaker 2: claiming the boys were harming her, Clara insisted she was
Speaker 2: oblivious to the deceit perpetrated by her sister. She had
Speaker 2: no idea her cancer stricken teenage daughter was a woman
Speaker 2: in her thirties.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Her parents and her younger sister, Gabriella, condemned Katerina and
Speaker 2: came to Clara's defense. Katerina had kept Clara in a
Speaker 2: constant state of fear when she was led to believe
Speaker 2: that if she didn't follow those orders, Anna would die.
Speaker 2: Clara and Katerina faced abuse and torture charges as did
Speaker 2: the children's shelter employees, Turik Jan's and Anti Nissi. Barb
Speaker 2: was still missing. On Friday June fifteenth, about five weeks
Speaker 2: after the shelter home discovered Anna gone, Barb appeared at
Speaker 2: the Chuck Embassy in Copenhagen, having been hiding in the
Speaker 2: city for about a month. She was with her father
Speaker 2: and two journalists upound request yes she provided id hair
Speaker 2: and saliva samples to prove her identity. After Barbara her
Speaker 2: entourage left, the embassy contacted the authorities at the Czech Republic,
Speaker 2: after which Barbara ranged an interview with the newspaper. During
Speaker 2: the interview, the woman admitted to enjoying her life as Anna.
Speaker 2: She liked how people treated her after she took on
Speaker 2: the identity, and she was happier and more comfortable being Anna.
Speaker 2: Barb preferred the way people treated her when they thought
Speaker 2: she was young. As the interview continued, Barb disclosed the
Speaker 2: original purpose behind the ruse created by her in Katerina.
Speaker 2: It was to supervise the children at the youth center
Speaker 2: while blending in with them. Eventually, the women made the
Speaker 2: choice to insert the character into Clara's life and family.
Speaker 2: Barba denied that Clara abused her sons. She claimed that
Speaker 2: Andre had only been locked up for a short time
Speaker 2: before he was discovered, a claim which would be contradicted
Speaker 2: by Clara on the stand in court. She said outside
Speaker 2: of when he had been found locked in that cupboard,
Speaker 2: Andre had only and disciplined one other occasion, and she
Speaker 2: had little sympathy for the seven year old, implying his
Speaker 2: treatment was deserved. She said Andrea had beaten both her
Speaker 2: and Jakub, the seven year old, the youngest, beat his
Speaker 2: older brother and Anna. She couldn't explain what prompted the attack,
Speaker 2: and went on to claim Andrea had enormous power. After
Speaker 2: that interview, Barb would go on to disappear again. In
Speaker 2: December two thousand and seven, a thirteen year old boy
Speaker 2: named Adam in Oslo, Norway approached his teacher saying he
Speaker 2: had been abused. Believing the perpetrator was Adam's father, the
Speaker 2: teacher sent him to a children's shelter. On December sixteenth,
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, Adam vanished from the shelter. Police
Speaker 2: were contacted and a nationwide search began. Shortly after, the
Speaker 2: disappearance was splashed across the news Adam was located in
Speaker 2: the Czech Republic, safe and well with his mother. Both
Speaker 2: Adam and his mother were shocked. He had never attended
Speaker 2: school in Norway. Teachers in Oslo had no idea that
Speaker 2: the thirteen year old boy they knew as Adam was
Speaker 2: actually thirty three year old barb Plova.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh. Right, she just sounds like fiction,
Speaker 1: well written fiction.
Speaker 2: This is a fucking movie.
Speaker 1: This, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She had stolen his identity and had been masquerading as
Speaker 2: him for several months. She put on weight, shaved her head,
Speaker 2: bound her breasts, and dressed in loose fitting, oversized clothing.
Speaker 2: Some teachers thought Adam looked like a girl, but no
Speaker 2: one knows what turning thirteen will bring, so they thought
Speaker 2: it was best not to judge. After the Adam revelation,
Speaker 2: Barber's tracked down in a town north of Oslo, where
Speaker 2: she was arrested and transported back to the Czech Republic
Speaker 2: on January fifth, two thousand and eight. The woman was
Speaker 2: let into the police station clutching a children's book and
Speaker 2: a Teddy Bear. Upon being booked into jail, she was
Speaker 2: charged with the abuse of Area Yakub. The prosecution and
Speaker 2: defense each had her examined by their own experts. The
Speaker 2: prosecution's expert claimed she was not suffering from any psychological conditions. Instead,
Speaker 2: she was an expert at manipulating the people around her.
Speaker 2: The defense expert disagreed. In their eyes, Barbara's mentally ill
Speaker 2: and in need of treatment. Due to the vast disagreement,
Speaker 2: the court ordered an independent evaluation. The panel of eight
Speaker 2: independent psychologists and psychiatrists concluded that she was not suffering
Speaker 2: from any mental illness. She was declared competent to stand
Speaker 2: trial alongside her brother Jan's Anti Nisi, Katerina, Clara, and Turik,
Speaker 2: who had all been accused of the abuse of children.
Speaker 2: Clara was the only adult to have admitted to the
Speaker 2: conditions her children lived in. She said she had been
Speaker 2: horribly manipulated and deceived into allowing her children to be mistreated.
Speaker 2: She knew what was happening, but she kept waiting for
Speaker 2: the doctor to tell her to stop, to explain, and
Speaker 2: to be done so they could live their lives. She
Speaker 2: always thought there would be an end. Barb was found
Speaker 2: to have historonic personality disorder, which is accompanied by theatricality, dramatization,
Speaker 2: exaggerated expression of emotions and manipulative behavior to achieve the
Speaker 2: individual's own needs. According to the panel of psychologists, her
Speaker 2: history of seizures had also likely been part of a
Speaker 2: disassociative state as part of her personality disorder. She likely
Speaker 2: had never suffered from apilepsy. For her part, Katerina said
Speaker 2: she could not sit quietly while accusations were made against Barb.
Speaker 2: Katerina said that she had made mistakes when she introduced
Speaker 2: Clara and Barb in two thousand and five. She had
Speaker 2: accidentally called her Anna and referred to her being younger
Speaker 2: in her explanation. This is how Anna's identity had been developed. Yes,
Speaker 2: Katerina had encouraged Clara to bond with Anna, but Clara
Speaker 2: allowed herself to be convinced about the character's story. Katerina
Speaker 2: denied that Barba had participated in the abuse of the children,
Speaker 2: telling the court that someone they trusted without limit had
Speaker 2: given instruction to Clara and Katerina. The women came up
Speaker 2: with the punishments given to the children themselves based on
Speaker 2: those instructions. Katerina said during her time in court she
Speaker 2: never admitted to writing the emails or text messages sent
Speaker 2: by the quote unquote doctor. She said the goal was
Speaker 2: to simply educate the boys and it got out of hand.
Speaker 2: At this point in court, Clara stood up, shouting, accusing
Speaker 2: her sister of lying, and asked why did she do this?
Speaker 2: She collapsed and was removed from the court. Katerina refused
Speaker 2: to answer questions of the prosecution or the judge. In
Speaker 2: October two thousand and eight, all defendants were found guilty.
Speaker 2: Clara received nine years and Katerina received ten after she
Speaker 2: was found to be the initiator of the abuse. Barbara
Speaker 2: was sentenced to fi five years, Yan Barb's brother and
Speaker 2: Antiinssi received seven years, and Jan's Turrek was sentenced to
Speaker 2: a five year suspended sentence for providing the dogcages the
Speaker 2: boys were forced to sleep in. All defendants except Clara
Speaker 2: appealed and all were rejected. There is speculation that Joseph
Speaker 2: Skurla was involved, who is barba Jan's father. Joseph was
Speaker 2: very active in the boys scout group. One of the
Speaker 2: boys involved claimed he turned it into an extremist sect,
Speaker 2: utilizing violent methods to break the boys in his group,
Speaker 2: like break them down, claiming it was in order to
Speaker 2: build them back up. Pretending that all of it was
Speaker 2: done for spiritual purposes. Yep, that's a cult, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Despite the similarities, he was not found to have been
Speaker 2: involved in the Kurrum case. Andrea and Yagub continued to
Speaker 2: be cared for at the children's home. As soon as
Speaker 2: the ban on visiting family members was lifted, the boys
Speaker 2: began spending more time with their father and grandparents. In
Speaker 2: twenty ten, the boys were living with their grandparents full
Speaker 2: time and attending school. All the defendants have served their
Speaker 2: terms and completed their parole. Barb continues to be under
Speaker 2: the care of psychologists free on disability. Katerina was released
Speaker 2: in July twenty fourteen. Clara left prison in October twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: According to authority, she made significant psychological progress while incarcerated
Speaker 2: and was not considered a danger to her children or
Speaker 2: the community when she was released. She had put a
Speaker 2: lot of effort into rebuilding her relationship with her children,
Speaker 2: and they began exchanging letters while she was still behind bars.
Speaker 2: By the time she was released, her children, fifteen year
Speaker 2: old Yakub and thirteen year old Andre, were open to
Speaker 2: having her back in their lives, and that is.
Speaker 1: The end that is insane. Oh my gosh, those sentences.
Speaker 1: What do you think of how I don't even think
Speaker 1: that they.
Speaker 2: It was nothing nothing.
Speaker 1: I guess you mentally fuck up a young child, like yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 2: Medically, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Mentally mentally yeah, mentally adbotage them. You have a short
Speaker 1: window zero to five and then there's another one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, zero to twelve. After twelve, now that's so
Speaker 1: intense under five with both Andre and Yakov. It's just
Speaker 1: for nine years. They should have got the whole twenty five.
Speaker 1: I know how long it's gonna take Yakov and Andre.
Speaker 2: To get to a baseline.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was interesting how you had said like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they looked at Clara and they were like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: not going to be a threat to her sons anymore
Speaker 1: or society. I ain't worried about her sons. I would
Speaker 1: be worried about how Andrea and Yakov you're gonna that's
Speaker 1: I don't know, but one day at a time, I
Speaker 1: guess with them. I don't know how people can that
Speaker 1: abuse so young. It's it's heartbreaking, it's sickening, and what
Speaker 1: is up with the fucking gas light in Katerina, you
Speaker 1: you that board met a friend like your sister and
Speaker 1: her nephews and then blame them for believing her. You
Speaker 1: lie to me, lie to me, lie to me. And
Speaker 1: then it's like, well, you kind of participated. There is
Speaker 1: a part of me that does believe that. At some point,
Speaker 1: Clara had a fucking epiphany that was like because you know,
Speaker 1: spirits speak softly, and she heard the voice and she
Speaker 1: was like yeah, but Katerina said, right, you know, so
Speaker 1: now we can blame Katerina or I'm gonna blame.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna blame the fact that a doctor told me this,
Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking, like, wull I never metan.
Speaker 1: Oh, I met one time in the car, in the car,
Speaker 1: I've never met at a professional building, went to an
Speaker 1: appointment because I let Katerina take care of all that.
Speaker 1: It's why you got to take care of your own
Speaker 1: shit people, And you don't look up the doctor.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 1: That's learned helplessness. Maybe that's her sounded like Clara was
Speaker 1: the middle child and just to be so led astray
Speaker 1: by your older sister. What a betrayal on so deep,
Speaker 1: so many levels, so many levels, girl, so many bar
Speaker 1: how who knew your life could be completely isn't it exciting?
Speaker 2: With a slow pituitary? I know, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: She faked being a little girl and a little boy
Speaker 1: and a little boy. That's commitment, that's that's thinking and
Speaker 1: planning that she needs to be psychologic. She is not
Speaker 1: safe for society. She's a master manipulatory. Thank you, Tanya.
Speaker 1: I do not know about this story. Yeah, it amazes me.
Speaker 1: It was two thousand and seven. Like you said with Clara,
Speaker 1: it's like you didn't run this on the Google. Did
Speaker 1: we have Google in two thousand and seven? Yes? Google?
Speaker 1: So thing in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure we had Google.
Speaker 2: We had some form of the Internet because that's when
Speaker 2: I started law school.
Speaker 1: Okay, see yes, yeah, so this could have been looked
Speaker 1: up and verified if you had any doubt.
Speaker 2: So exactly. No, I didn't start law school. I graduated
Speaker 2: law school in two thousand and seven. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we had it. We had it. So anyway, all right,
Speaker 2: my friend, Well that was a wild, crazy story. Was
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