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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in. It is ten am. We're already

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laughing backstage. We're ready to go. It is Thursday and

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just another day, another slate of games. And you know what,

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you had to expect this. We appeased the casuals yesterday,

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making Creighton the feature game, because if you pulled like

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actual college basketball fans, no one would ever say that

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that was the feature game yesterday. Today, I'm going to

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override any of the top twenty five stuff. The feature

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game is Brian Powers alma mater, the Ohio Bobcats, taking

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on what I considered to be one of the better

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mid major teams in the country, in the Illinois State Redbirds.

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We have a Missouri Valley guy in Rob Vino. We

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have an Ohio Bobcat alum in Brian Power. So that's

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where we're starting today. That is the feature game, the

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best game on Thursday slate by a mile in my opinion.

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So welcome in, boys. I'll go to Rob first, Illinois State, Ohio.

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How do you see this one going down? And this

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isn't Athens, Nate, Yes, it is Athens at the Commocation

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Center tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a big one, guys. These two teams well,

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you can tell by the point spread right one and

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a half. These are two pretty evenly matched teams on paper.

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Let's start with Ohio, you which lost here Monday night

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to Arkansas State. I'm gonna bring up Arkansas State here

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for a reason. But Arkansas State, we'll dive into them

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a little bit head coaching change there. Ryan Panone, a

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NATO's disciple, comes in. Interestingly, guys, he took over for

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Brian Hodgson, another NATO's disciple who didn't follow the NATO's

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way at Arkansas State, slowed them down. I think I

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read somewhere where they only played six total games last

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year over seventy possessions.

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Speaker 3: That's just not NATO's style.

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Speaker 2: So incomes Panone, who decides, yeah, I'm playing NATO style,

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and he walks in here with that high pressure again.

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We'll use kind well, I don't have to use anything.

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Everybody knows NATO's in Alabama, Nato said Buffalo, you know

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the style they play. They win the game eighty nine

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to eighty five. Arkansas State had fourteen new players Monday night.

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They shoot fifty eight six percent from two, thirty seven

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percent from three in typical NATO style and this is

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probably low.

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Speaker 3: We'll see more of this.

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Speaker 2: We'll see this number increased, guys, as the season goes on.

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But Arkansas State shot twenty seven threes against Ohio You

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and went to the free throw line twenty eight times.

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Speaker 3: That just goes with the style of play. Twenty eight

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free throws.

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Speaker 2: They essentially walked in there, unproven, untested, all that newness,

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and they beat Ohio You at a game that Ohio

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You really likes to play. Ohio You wants to go

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up tempo as well. I think it's all relevant here

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because Illinois State is going to increase tempo a little

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bit this year as they get let's just say they're

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more veteran, that they have a core four. They go

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about eight deep. They went fairly fast last year. I

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made a lot of money last year, probably more money

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than on any other team playing Illinois State overs. But

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those overs weren't the type of over that we're looking

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at tonight. We're looking at one forty six is one

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forty sevens. Last year one forty five's Illinois State was

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getting over. They come in here, like I say, eight deep,

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they shoot the three. They win twenty two games. Last year,

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they win the CBI, which should be a stepping stone

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to a better season this year. With all the returning

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talent that they have, they're a top three contender in

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the Missouri Valley. The question to me is the only

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question to me, is can Ohio you or will Ohio

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You lose back to back home games. It's a quick

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turnaround home redemption game against a team that they're capable

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of beating. They're just as good, you know, at least

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on paper as the other side. They have a core

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for returning. They add Javon Simmons to this team. Hardaway

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was the best player on the floor the other night

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for Ohio You, so there's assets there as well. I

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would say this real quick, Ohio You didn't play bad

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Monday night. Arkansas State just played better. What you find

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when you go through the numbers and looking at the

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game a little bit on replay, they got crushed on

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the boards forty one to twenty five. Ohio You gets

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destroyed in rebounding. Can Illinois State do the same? I'm

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not sure. As I mentioned earlier, I made a lot

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of money last year bet in Illinois State totals.

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Speaker 3: This one's a little bit too high for me.

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Speaker 2: I can't get there at one fifty seven, one fifty

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seven and a half. I think Illinois State is the

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slightly better team, but the situation of angle keeps me

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off of that too. I think Ohio you could very

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well bounce back and win a home game. They got

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one under their belt. Illinois State.

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Speaker 3: It's their opener for the season.

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Speaker 2: So it's a lot of descriptives and a lot of

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analysis to not play a game, But I just can't

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come up with a clear sidework total in this one.

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Speaker 3: Guys, they did.

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Speaker 2: These are two teams you probably want to watch all

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season long. You probably are gonna end up on quite

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a bit this season. I know I will with Illinois State,

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So Brian, I'll let it over to you and see

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what you got, and I'll hire.

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Speaker 3: You for us.

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Speaker 4: Well, some could call me, accuse me, if you will,

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of being a little biased in this situation, but I

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was talking to our good friend Trig Keith Landry, who

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is in a chat as we speak, and I see

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him yes, and he can go off this that this happened.

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You and I were talking about this game actually before

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I even knew this would be our featured game here

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on the fourth day of full court press, and we

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both came to the conclusion that Ohio used the right side. Here.

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I'm gonna go ahead. I'm an I'm gonna lead off.

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I'm gonna come out to swing. We lost our parlay

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yesterday after after going two for two the show began

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by going two for two with their three leg parlays

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were off, so we need to bounce back. I'm throwing

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my leg right in. It is Ohio University on the

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money line. Here, look, I'll Rob. I spent a lot

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of time pouring over this box score of Ohio and

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Arkansas State from the other night. Rob's right, the rebounding

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was a problem. What was interesting, though, is you get

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destroyed on the glass, Rob, Typically what you see is

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a team will then have what end up with far

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fewer field goal attempts. That actually wasn't the case with

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though you. What happened was Arkansas State lived at the

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foul life and they cashed it. I mean, free throw

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shooting is one of those high variant stats in modern

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college basketball, right, I mean, some teams just starting good

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at making them. Some teams will make you pay. Arkansas

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twenty eight from the line. That was the difference in

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a four point win where they scored fifty seven points

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in the second half. Oh, you's got to be better

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at guarding the three. They were terrible at guarding the

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three last year, okay, one of the worst teams in

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the entire country. Paveleski back Rob mentioned some of the

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new talent that came in Simmons Connors. I think, oh

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you is not going to lose back to back home

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games to start the year. I will take them on

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the money line here, I think you can still get

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a pretty cheap price, trig. You know, let's confirm that price.

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I don't want to be telling people to bet like

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minus one forty five because I know this. The market

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is moving in the direction of the Bobcats. It was

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minus one twenty, I believe when I looked last Yeah,

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minus one tens when before we talked about I think

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I think that had come up solid on here.

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Speaker 1: I see it kind of bouncing back and forth. I

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still see it looks like I mean, it looks like

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pick I think, Ohio plus one might still be out there. No,

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it's minus one Okay, okay, you know what.

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Speaker 4: I see A lot of minus one fifteens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll take that's that's good.

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Speaker 4: A way to DraftKings, a wildly available book now in

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bed with ESPN s. But my sources behind me are

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yelling that DraftKings is now in bed with esp I

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don't know we're allowed to.

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Speaker 3: ESPN couldn't withdraw fast enough.

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Speaker 1: So this is I have a couple of things that

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support your argument here, Brian. My friend Ryan Hammer, great

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great college Basketball, followed absolutely someone you should be following,

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puts out awesome content. Tweeted this out a couple of

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weeks ago, and I took a screenshot of it, not

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knowing that we would talk about this year, but I

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found it in my phone because it was something I

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wanted to remember. And he posted college basketball's best statistical

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home court advantages last three years of home versus non

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home difference and win percentage, net rating, opponent field goal

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and attendance. And so he had the power confer the

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entire country, which is mostly power conferences on the left

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and the non powers on the right. When the when,

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when the budget increases for this show, I'll have it

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on screen, but for now, you're just gonna have to

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take take my word for it. The number one, so

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a power conference being defined as like the you know,

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the top the power five, nonpower would be every one out.

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So the number one nonpower to hit all those metrics

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is Dayton, which should surprise nobody. I've been to the

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ud Arena. It is incredible spot and and it's well

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known that Dayton wins all their games there for the

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most part. The number two on that non power list

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is the Convocation Center in Athens, Ohio. So if you

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need something to back up how good they've been at home,

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not just like how good last year.

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Speaker 4: Last year was real stark. Last year was very very stark.

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They were they were a completely different team home versus road.

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Speaker 1: Completely different team home versus road. You come off of

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a home loss, which which you know, Rob kind of

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pointed out, Hey, like at Arkansas State, they're good. They're

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a good team. They're gonna be in the mix in

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that league again, and they just played a really good game.

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Sometimes you have to tip your cap. You go back

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to this game. Last year in normal Illinois Illinois was

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Illinois State was the host. This is a return game.

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Ohio led in the second half of that game, I

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think had like a decent lead, maybe like an eight

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to ten point lead, and Illinois State just like did

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what they can do started hitting every shot. I think

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they ended up putting. I think that that game got

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to one sixty last year, which Rob I'm seeing one

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sixty now across the board for the total of this game.

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So you know, with your your argument for an over

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like like points certainly makes sense. But it looks like

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the market thinks the same. Right, that's up to one

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sixty open one fifty six and a half. Now I'm

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seeing one sixty and a half, So the market definitely

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thinks there's gonna be some points in this game. But yeah, Ohio,

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coming off of a tough loss where they didn't play badly,

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I wouldn't want to go against them here. So even

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though my personal number i'm at like Illinois, I may

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have to rewait out my home court for Ohio. I

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may have to add more points for home court for them,

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because I was at Illinois State minus three and a

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half here and I'm like for a number and I'm

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gonna like retract that on air and say I didn't

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add enough in for Ohio home court. It gets me

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back closer to like probably one and a half or two. So,

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even though I think Illinois State's a better team, not

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nearly a big enough edge for me to go against

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Ohio coming off a loss on their home For Brian,

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go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's peel open the box score from last Yeshella,

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you were spot on, trig it did end up at

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one sixty on the nose. Last year, Illinois State wins

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eighty five to seventy five at home. Owe you leads by.

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They had a six point lead midway through the second

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half of that game, uh before they let it get away?

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And what was the key? I mentioned in my break

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initial breakdown that the Bobcats had all sorts of trouble

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defending the three last year, Well, Illinois State in that

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game shot fifty two point six percent from three. They

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shot sixty one point two percent for the game. That's

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not going to happen. At the corner of Richland and

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Robs six eighty two, guys, Keith.

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Speaker 1: Landry says, it's it's Thursday Thursday in Athens. I mean,

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if anyone would know about that.

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Speaker 4: You look, well not look. This has been a big

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week in a town. Obviously last week and the biggest

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part of the year, Halloween. It is legitimately the best

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getting where you want to go, all of a sudden

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in football. That was also uh on campus. So yeah,

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I could round out a big week of partying, although

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Speaker 3: Sad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were in Brian and I were in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: Dukes television, No one's drinking after the game. Roman, I'm

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a parent and I'm whining about children, kids not drinking.

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Speaker 1: Where is the bar? It was a it was a

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Speaker 2: So can I add real quick, guys, can add to

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a father of a Belmont student. The very first time

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Nashville to cover Belmont on ESPN News or You.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever they were on.

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Speaker 2: It was against Ohio you believe it or not, So

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Ohio You another thing on their resume. First team to

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 4: Was that the old Bracketbusters day is or something like that?

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Belmont es Central Time Zone teams. Are you playing that

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late at night? And Ohio You was clearly the better team,

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Speaker 3: You know, faithful.

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Speaker 1: Matt in the Chats has loved a new show. Listen

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to the podcast version every day. We appreciate the feedback,

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and you know, we have forty five minutes the rest

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So that's that's the goal here. Get in go ahead, Brian, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Just wanted to point out one more thing about this

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Ohio three point defense. By the way, I talked about

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Ryder and it's an ability to hit threes that came

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back to bite them again last night. Just you know,

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we're not just pulling stuff on a thin air gang.

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But with the Illinois State shooting so well in that

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meeting last year, they were overall not a good three

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point shooting team last year outside the top they were

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close to you know, three hundred in three point shooting nationally,

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which obviously is not good at all. They hit they

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they're at home, they hit them against this Ohio team,

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who I think in rob I don't know. Feel free

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to maybe correct me if you feel differently. Three point

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defense is one of those stats that can very wildly

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from year to year. Yes, you have teams that year

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and your out stink at defending the arc, and some

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teams that are very good at it. But I think,

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you know, you look at a team like Ohio that

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it feels like an outlier what happened to them last

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year from outside what they allowed their opponents to shoot.

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Speaker 2: You know, just general theory guys, I feel like the

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faster paced game you play, the more broken court there is,

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the more open threes there are. So if you're a

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fast paced team, you probably give up threes at a

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higher percentage than a team that wants to come down

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and settle in and anchor into half court defense and

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defend the perimeter, et cetera, et cetera. And Ohio, you

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played at pace last.

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Speaker 3: Year, so it makes a little bit of sense.

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Speaker 2: They gave up thirty seven percent the other night to

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Arkansas State, which isn't a monstrous number, but it's a

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high enough number to get beat with, as they found out,

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if you combine it with free throw shooting and a

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rebounding disadvantage, et cetera, et cetera. Whether or not Illinois State,

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first of all, Illinois State won't play a NATO style

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one thing. And second of all, whether or not Illinois

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State can dominate on the glass the way that Arkansas

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State did that night, well you know those are all,

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like you say, high, varying stuff, Brian. But I do

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think the faster you play, the more act you are

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to give up more open threes, which just leads to

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a higher percentage.

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Speaker 4: And the problem in that Arkansas State game was the

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volume right because Arkansas State got off twenty seven threes

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against OU and the opener. So if you're if you're

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attempting twenty seven threes, you don't even need to shoot

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necessarily a great percentage. You're gonna you're gonna make a

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fair number regardless.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Literally, it's gonna be a great watch tonight. You

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know production won't clip that, but that is as good

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of a thirteen minute discussion on this game as you're

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gonna find. And Brian Power has kicked off Thursday's parlay

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with Ohio on the money line, So we're off and

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running here. I'm gonna move on. It wouldn't be an

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Adam Trigger college basketball show if we didn't go from

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that game directly to the extra board. But that's what

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we're gonna do. And Jay buff is in the chat,

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he says, night sweatshirt trig, let me let me move

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that comment. Let me move that comment so you can

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see my Leamoye Dolphins, Tony Lamoine Dolphins right here in

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Sarah used to finish the chair of m that's a listen.

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If you're if you're looking for a you have a

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picture the chick.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, do let's not let's not get

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Jordan Area here to talk about.

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Speaker 1: A bit that is uh yeah, that's a reference to

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the O. G Show when we used to do the

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College Basketball Show and a running joke with Lemoine and

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I'll actually, i'll i'll parallel, I'll use I'll tie that

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in because that was the nice year Lamoye. That was

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the first year Lemoine was in Division one and they overachieved.

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They played, you know, they played better than I think

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anyone gave them a chance to play. Uh finished third

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or fourth in the NEC in their first year, and

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last year took a pretty big step back. And the

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reason that this team took a step back last year

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is they didn't defend at all. And and you know,

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I look at this team this year, but so like,

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they had some good players on that team last year.

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AJ Danceler's now at Coastal Carolina. O cipher Owens is

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at Charlton State. They had some players that went on

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to play who are now at bigger schools. And I

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think the perception here is that Lemoyne lost some of

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their best guys, but I think they might have you know,

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Dancer is a great shooter, but I think those are

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some of the offenders of playing absolutely zero defense. And

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you know, going back like seeing Nate Champion Lamoyne head

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coach sort of bring this team from D two to

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D one and going back two years ago, that was

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a better defensive team. And I know he wants to

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stress defense a little bit more this year with this roster,

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who still has like a good amount of players back

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from last year. And I think if you look at

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them in the context of the NEC, one of the

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low major conferences out there, one of the smallest conferences,

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perennial sixteen seeds in the NCAA tournament, like this team's got,

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in my opinion, just as much to be excited about

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as the top teams in this league, some of which

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we might talk about today l IU Central, Connecticut State.

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Like I'm not saying that on a talent level they're

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on par with them, but like this could be a

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pretty good team. Now, I'll kick this over to Rob

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who you know can can give us the xavier side

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of the coin a little bit here. Richard Patino first

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year looks to me like this is gonna be very

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much a rebuild. And if you go back in Richard

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Patino's career, like he's almost okay with that. Like like,

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if you go back to his first year at New Mexico,

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they finished tenth in the Mountain West. New Mexico with

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their eyes closed should be able to finish better than

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tenth in the Mountain West most years. But I think

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it speaks to like Richard Patino wanting to build a

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team his way, get younger, get freshmen in that are

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gonna be with the program for a couple of years.

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Go back, you know, Minnesota. He did well with the

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team he inherited, inherited, but then like or two or

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year three is a total rebuild. He was at the

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bottom of the conference. I think he feels like his

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job security is probably okay, so he's not worried about losing.

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In year one, Maris hung around with Xavier the other night.

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Xavier is getting bet up here, like like they're just

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gonna win this game by thirty. I gotta disagree with that.

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I kind of like the Dolphins, Brian Dolphins. There's no

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water period. I don't know why it's a religious reference.

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It's we have no ocean near Syracuse. If anyone was

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confused as to where they're located. But Rob talk to

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me about about Xavier. Why are they taking all this

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money here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's got to be first off on reputation, right,

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and second off on the transfer class that a guy

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like Patino's going to bring in. But we've talked about

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it at length this week, guys, because it's opening week

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and we just talked about it with Arkansas State. It's

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almost the same thing, right, Richard Patino wants to play

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extremely fast.

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Speaker 3: Arkansas State walked into Ohio, you with fourteen new players.

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Speaker 2: This is basically what Xavier's facing, right, an entire transformation

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of the roster designed to play his way. And the

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one word reviewsed over and over again. At least I

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have is cohesion or geling. How long does that take?

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We don't this team in January, we may talk a

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lot different than we talk about them.

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Speaker 3: In early November.

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Speaker 2: Right, we just don't know if these kids are all

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gonna mesh. We know they're gonna enjoy playing the system,

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there's no question about it. And we know that he's

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got talent on this team that exceeds what Lemoyne has

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on paper by probably the amount of points that's listed

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in the points spread here. But it's the start of

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the season, and we just don't know what evaluation process

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is gonna take place, what experimentation, How do I fix

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these rotations? These coaches are always playing with this stuff

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at the start of a season when they got new guys.

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So again, it's hard to gauge. Some of these teams

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have come out of the gate quickly, We've seen it.

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Some of these teams have come out of the gate slowly.

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I mean, you know, just to use Auburn as kind

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of an example of a and it's not even a

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major coaching change, right, it's father handing the batonta son,

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but it made a difference in their opening games. So

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I don't know where I would lean here, Adam, I

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would you know? LeMoyne's what's the Xavier team total in

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that game? Anybody got that off?

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Speaker 4: I can get I can get that real.

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Speaker 1: Brian's gonna get that. And and while he gets that,

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I just want to.

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Speaker 4: Play ninety and a half, ninety and a half, and

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it's DraftKings is at ninety one and a half. It's

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interesting because the game total hasn't really like I'm looking

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at the screen the total, you know, because Trick mentioned

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Xavier's getting bet up here, the total really is not,

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which is interesting.

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Speaker 1: I suppose so that see, that's a direct that is

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directly based on the fact that Lemoyne played no defense

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last year. This team no granted Marist, the Marrist read

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are scrappy as hell. They're a max school John Dunn.

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It has zero interest in the offensive end of the floor.

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He is going to get guys that just want to,

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you know, scratch and claw you to death. That's a

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good defensive team. Xavier sixty six points against them the

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other night, sixty six sixty two. They were on the

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ropes there for a minute against Maris. Now, Maris is

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a quality team. Maris I would have they're a superior

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team to Lamoine. But it doesn't mean that they just

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didn't maybe get a little bit of a blueprint to

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like say, hey, like you know, because from a size standpoint,

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like they're not gonna be able to do it as

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well as Maris did. But they can certainly look at

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that and say, well, this is how an undersized team

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went in and sort of defended the Xavier team and

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played them to a sixty six to sixty two final.

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I gotta recall the Lamoine opener last year when some

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of those offensive guys missed and they almost went into

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00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,319
the Carrier Dome and won. It's not the Carrier Dome

477
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,279
anymore to me. It will always be the Carrier Dome.

478
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:01,759
But you know they were. They were a possession away

479
00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:05,200
last year from knocking off Syracuse as a similar size

480
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:08,440
underdog in the Dome, and that was when that was

481
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,000
opening night. They gave a tremendous defensive effort. After that,

482
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,960
it just sort of went out the window as the

483
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,559
season went on. So I would say, undermake sense, and

484
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,960
I my number here is twenty two and a half.

485
00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:23,480
Now where it is at like twenty five, I have

486
00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:25,240
to lean toward the dog. I think I would just

487
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,000
take the twenty five with Lemoine.

488
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: Rob.

489
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to you for a different game

490
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,480
if you if you had something else to add there,

491
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,039
go ahead. But we have Danzo in the chat. Once

492
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,240
you see Riverside, I know you had a take on

493
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:37,640
that one, So I'll let you wrap up Lamoyne if

494
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,200
you want to, and then you can head on over

495
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:39,799
to that game.

496
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

497
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 2: I can't really disagree with anything, Adam. I think the

498
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,000
line move one more time as we try to figure

499
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,039
out why people are so in love with Xavier.

500
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 3: In this particular game.

501
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:57,279
Speaker 2: It's it's to me reputation based and second game perhaps

502
00:24:57,319 --> 00:24:58,440
a little a.

503
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,599
Speaker 3: Little better offensive showing.

504
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: But to your point, if you just do the sheer

505
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,680
mathematics of it, they have to be twenty six points

506
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,279
better than they were against Marits to cover that team total.

507
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,920
And is their offense going to be twenty six points

508
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,000
better combined with Lemoy's defense being twenty six points worse,

509
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,799
that combo has to somehow add up to twenty six

510
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,400
to get it over.

511
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

512
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,559
Speaker 2: It's a it's a tough handicap for me real quick,

513
00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:24,319
and I'm going to get into unc excuse me, you

514
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,759
see riverside in North Dakota to hear real quick. But guys,

515
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,599
I just wanted to bring these couple of things up

516
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,519
and maybe I'll kind of start the show this way

517
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:35,640
with just a couple of fast examples. We don't like

518
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,480
to review too much. We like to get right into

519
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,480
what we're talking about today. We have a little extra time.

520
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,359
A couple of things that struck me last night seriously.

521
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,400
Maryland Eastern Shore twenty nine points against Georgia in a

522
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,920
full game ninety four to twenty nine.

523
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

524
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,279
Speaker 2: And then to make it worse, guys, they went back

525
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:59,000
and Maryland Eastern Shorees first game was a pretty close game.

526
00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:00,279
Speaker 3: Let me go ahead and get that result.

527
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:03,039
Speaker 2: It's just it was amazing to me that you could

528
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:06,200
come out there. Yeah, the first game they played Georgia

529
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,240
Tech into overtime fifty six fifty two and they come

530
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,279
out with a twenty nine point performance.

531
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.

532
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: I want to but before let's let's before we go

533
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,519
to UC Riverside, because I feel like this might apply

534
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,039
to a game tonight. So let's let's talk about a

535
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,279
different one. First, we can bring Brian into the conversation.

536
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,720
Do you would you fade the Thune Cookman tonight based

537
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:30,319
on sort of what you're saying, because Tarlatan saw something

538
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,400
similar last night where they played SMU. They left it

539
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,400
all out there for forty minutes and they were like,

540
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,799
just not the same team. Two nights later, they were

541
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,480
totally gassed. They had a guy get hurt, and it

542
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:44,240
was it just went off the rails. That's what happened

543
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,200
to Maryland Eastern Shore. Listen putting an effort in against

544
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,839
a power conference school like that is is is tough enough.

545
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,839
What happens when you have to turn around and play

546
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:55,720
another one two three days later. That's what you're dealing

547
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:57,720
with here, And I feel like that's kind of what

548
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,359
you've just brought up. So elaborate on your point and

549
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,559
then maybe you know, comment on Bethune Miami being that

550
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,559
same thing tonight.

551
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well it makes a lot of sense, right,

552
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,480
I mean, obviously we put a lot of stock in

553
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,839
Tarleton's first performance yesterday on the show didn't pan out,

554
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,720
but you have to, you know, watch and learn from that.

555
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: And it is when you.

556
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: Play a game, I'll use your words, Adam, when you

557
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,039
lay it all out on the line against the power

558
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:29,880
conference team for forty minutes and then have to have

559
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,880
a quick turnaround with travel go play another one, it

560
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,400
can be and then lose a guy along the way.

561
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,920
It can be extremely tough. Twenty nine points to me,

562
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,240
I thought was the key there. It just doesn't seem,

563
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,000
you know, feasible in modern day college basketball.

564
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: You could only score twenty nine.

565
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move on really really fast here to South

566
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,880
Carolina Upstate, which defeated Fresno State.

567
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,319
Speaker 3: For those who don't stay up late. USC Upstate wins

568
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,960
that game by one. Bride go ahead.

569
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 4: I could see what I was gonna say, what's going

570
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,960
on with the Mountain West. That's two nights in a

571
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,839
row now because UNLV lost to U T. Martin as well.

572
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,880
So I, Trig, I think you mentioned one of the

573
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,599
last few one of the first two days. The Mountain

574
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,759
West isn't what it used to be. I think we've

575
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:16,440
already seen Exhibit A and Exhibit B of that. I was, yeah,

576
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:19,240
not a great start for the Mountain West for sure.

577
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,799
Speaker 2: And then lastly, we're last night's concerned. Let's just wrap

578
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,720
it up with there was no Tanner Thomas last night, Trigg,

579
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,200
I kicked myself for not taking eight and a half,

580
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,160
although you would have barely covered. But e WU has

581
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,799
now played two pretty good games on the road against

582
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:39,440
solid opponents. And when we get to Big skyplay Eastern

583
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,119
Washington just but a little red you know, check mark

584
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,440
next to him if you're following the show, see what

585
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,319
we can do with Eastern Washington along the way. But

586
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,680
let's get to the cal Riverside North Dakota game here

587
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,160
real quick. Cal Overside opens up their season. They beat

588
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,240
Los Sierra, who cares ninety to forty nine. North Dakota,

589
00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:58,799
on the other hand, goes to Tuscaloosa loses to Alabama

590
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,000
by almost thirty nine sixty two. A couple of days later,

591
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:05,640
come home, focus on cal Riverside here because we've been

592
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,240
focusing on coaching.

593
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: Changes, et cetera, et cetera.

594
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:12,079
Speaker 2: Cal Riverside loses all five starters off of last year's

595
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:14,279
twenty one and thirteen team, a pretty good team under

596
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:18,359
Mike macpile, who goes to Fordham now to become the

597
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,319
head coach. They bring in a Division two head coach,

598
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,599
Gus Arginal who's been around Division one programs. He's been

599
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,039
around a little bit, but he's an Eric Musselman disciple.

600
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,079
What does Eric Musselman disciple mean for those watching the

601
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,599
show who don't know about his coaching career. Basically, Eric

602
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,759
Musselman is a guy who wants to win on the

603
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:45,920
defensive end, requires rebounding effort. It's more of a methodical

604
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:50,960
run when we get an opportunity type of head coaching philosophy.

605
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:56,920
Wasn't exactly that in Arkansas, but Arkansas's a different school,

606
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,240
different program.

607
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: Since Nolan Richardson.

608
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: May them high speed, but that's what Musselman wants to do,

609
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,799
and that's what arginal wants to do here. How about

610
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:09,000
this guy's gus. Arginald in an interview, said he wants

611
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,640
his team to make two hundred passes a game. He said,

612
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,599
it's probably not possible, but our goal is two hundred

613
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,000
passes on offense in forty minutes. If you make two

614
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:25,880
hundred passes, you can't help but grind the clock down continuously.

615
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,640
It's an exact opposite style of what UND just played

616
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,160
at Alabama. We've talked about Natos's system.

617
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,319
Speaker 3: We won't rehash it.

618
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: But it's a three hundred and sixty degree polar opposite

619
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,440
opponent here. For North Dakota will take a look and

620
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,440
you find that they lost four starters, but most importantly

621
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,960
Trace and Eaglestaff goes to West Virginia. He's a guy

622
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,880
who scored fifty one in a game last year, but

623
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,839
he was their leading scorer, their best shooter, and with

624
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,880
him they lose four star. Another guy went to Xavier,

625
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,119
I believe, another high major team. So they've got some

626
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,200
spots to fill here. I'm gonna say that with the

627
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:09,240
new head coaching change at UCR. It just seems like

628
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:13,680
defensive tenacity is going to be on display here, and

629
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,920
they did hold a non Division one team under fifty

630
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,119
points the other night. Obviously North Dakota is a little

631
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:23,759
bit better than that, but North Dakota's quest to play

632
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:27,839
with tempo constantly may not be there for forty minutes

633
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,519
against this opponent guys in und For what it's worth,

634
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:34,400
it's not exactly an interior scoring team. They want to

635
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,400
shoot the ball from the perimeter, and UCR seems to

636
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,680
match up really, really well on the defensive side against that.

637
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,559
I looked at this total it started, correct me if

638
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:47,359
I'm wrong. I don't have the odds logic in front

639
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:48,839
of me, but I think it started summer into one

640
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,960
fifty two vicinity since been bet down to one fifty.

641
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,599
I totally agree. One to fifty just seems to be

642
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,799
too high here. I never like to in fact that

643
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,680
I'll phrase it differently, I do like to always assume

644
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,880
that the home team in a battle of tempos can

645
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,799
control tempo for you know, more than fifty percent of

646
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:15,759
the forty minutes available. But this team you see are

647
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,079
with their defensive philosophy and with their methodical philosophy can

648
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,200
probably control tempo for twelve to fifteen minutes here, and

649
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,559
that's going to be enough to keep this thing under

650
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,519
one fifty. Brian, We've said it a couple of times

651
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:29,519
this week. It's sometimes hard to get to one forty.

652
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,480
Getting over one fifty with a team that doesn't want

653
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,480
to go to one fifty even harder. So, guys, i'll

654
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,359
just put that in right now. Is my leg of

655
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,880
the parlay here, the UC Riverside North Dakota game under

656
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,000
one fifty, if that's even still available.

657
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: I know they were betting it down earlier.

658
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: All right, do we get two of the three legs

659
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,160
in there already?

660
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Here? Holy, I'll tell you what I'm going to go. So,

661
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,960
first of all, Garth, very very kind, if you thank

662
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,920
you for the donation of the show. It's very much appreciated.

663
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,799
And I and I'm going to take this one. And

664
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:07,839
I I had a pretty strong opinion here, and and

665
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,039
I think because Garth has stepped, you know, stepped in

666
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:13,039
with that, I think that's going to push me over

667
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,599
to make this my leg the parlays. So I will

668
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,200
grab Boston College Citadel. If anyone has a comment after

669
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,240
I make my player. You want to tell me I'm wrong,

670
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,319
you'll feel free to jump in. But I think my

671
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,319
thought process in this game is in line with the

672
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,079
way Garth is looking now, he said. Thoughts on the

673
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:34,279
Citadel team total under sixty two and a half. My

674
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,000
handicap certainly would suggest that that occurs, because I like

675
00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:43,119
Boston College minus the points here, so I'll start with Citadel.

676
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,680
I think this is going to be one of the

677
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,119
worst teams in the country this year. I think they

678
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,720
will finish last in what I consider to be a

679
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,000
SoCon that's not quite as good as it's been in

680
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,799
years past. Some really good players have have left the conference.

681
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:57,799
I think you have a certain teams, I mean, just

682
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,680
go you know, one of your one of your con

683
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,119
sort of you know, the teams that's supposed to be

684
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,279
one of the top teams in this league. Furman run

685
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,199
off the floor by high point the other day, not

686
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,400
even close. I think this is a down year for

687
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:14,239
UNC Greensboro, which we kind of saw play out in

688
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,440
the second half of that Kansas State game. They've been

689
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,360
one of the better teams in this league last couple

690
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,000
of years. So I'm kind of down across the board.

691
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:26,480
On the SoCon but specifically I think Citadel I think

692
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,920
they may not win a league game. This is a

693
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,079
roster that's they've probably have four guys coming from like

694
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,159
D two schools that are not like that, that are

695
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,199
not like D two powers really that are probably gonna

696
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,119
play big minutes for them this year. I mean, the

697
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,840
guys they have back are not great play like I

698
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,079
just I just don't see much in the way of

699
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:55,159
like redeeming qualities for this team. And but on the

700
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,599
other side, now Boston College is interesting because I personally

701
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:01,960
think they're going to be better than last year. Now

702
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,559
how much better. It's tough because they play in the ACC.

703
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,239
They're probably still a bottom team in the ACC. But

704
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,559
for me, a lot of people have them at the

705
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:12,960
bottom of the ACC. I don't. I think they could

706
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,159
actually play their way out of the total basement and

707
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,960
into maybe like you know, twelve or thirteenth. Reason I

708
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,719
say that is last year they were just they were

709
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,280
just bad, like poorly constructed bad basketball team. I went

710
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,599
to one of their first games last year. It was

711
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,480
it was BC played VCU on a neutral court in Annapolis,

712
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:39,440
and I went down there. It was a doubleheader. It

713
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,360
was BCVCU Navy Harvard. So I got to see two games,

714
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:47,880
and that Boston College team was such a disaster in

715
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,320
that game. I kind of followed them through the rest

716
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,320
of the year and it never got better. It was

717
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,840
basically they just they took such poor shots all year long,

718
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,360
like they just had no There was just no easy offense.

719
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,239
And at times, you know, I was like felt like

720
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,039
they played hard, like they weren't poorly coached. There's a

721
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,440
game that comes to mind when they almost beat Syracuse

722
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,960
in the Dome last year, like where I just felt

723
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,519
like they were kind of moving in the right direction,

724
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:20,760
but they had no easy offense whatsoever. And so again,

725
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,360
I it's not like I expect any sort of big things,

726
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,840
like I think BC is going to be back in

727
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,840
the tournament. I certainly don't think that's going to be

728
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,199
the case, but you know, it's there. They're better than

729
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,239
they were last year, and I think the market feels

730
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,199
like they're still like by far the worst team in

731
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,880
the ACC, which I disagree with. The other thing, I

732
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,320
believe this is red Bandana weekend at Boston College. I

733
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,280
don't know what that it. And so like, listen, I

734
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,000
don't think that that's it's certainly not the red bandana

735
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:54,280
basketball game. But like people are going to start filing

736
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,199
in for football, they may come early. You probably got

737
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,800
some juice on campus. I'm not going to totally rehash

738
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,400
this story, but it's a tremendous story.

739
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,159
Speaker 3: Go look it up.

740
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: I had a friend that played for Boston College basketball,

741
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,599
and like, it's definitely like the energy on campus that

742
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:14,239
weekend is always like next level in in a positive

743
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,519
way because it really is that the story is, you know,

744
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,920
supposed to be. It's a positive spin on what was

745
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,079
obviously like a tragic event. So you get this game

746
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:27,679
in BC. I think they might have more juice than

747
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,079
usual for a game like this, and the number is

748
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,320
surprisingly Boston College is not taking money. I think this

749
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,199
may even come back a little bit. So I think

750
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,119
BC runs them off the floor. They played on Monday,

751
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,039
they looked pretty good. They lost a game that FAU

752
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:47,320
basically needed a steal a transition three, and I believe

753
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,559
they went into overtime and lost the game in overtime.

754
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,440
It was a good effort, it was a good game.

755
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,679
So I will make Boston College. I think we're at

756
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,920
minus sixteen and a half. That's going to be my

757
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,760
parlay leging Garth. I'm fine with that team total under

758
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,760
I think you could play them both. I think they're correlated.

759
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,880
Right there, go ahead, Brian, Yeah, just.

760
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 4: I wanted to wrap up a few things you're talking

761
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,840
about the Citadel just to I've got them as a

762
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,440
bottom thirty team in the country right now. Maybe that's

763
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,119
even generous to be that high. You said, how you

764
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:15,920
don't think they may they may not win a Soacon

765
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,280
game this year. They did not win a Soacon game

766
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,280
last year. So how many teams, how many teams didn't

767
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,159
win a conference game?

768
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: Line?

769
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,159
Speaker 4: That was a short list I feel, I mean looked

770
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:29,639
that up in.

771
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,559
Speaker 1: My opinion, like they're on paper they're much worse than

772
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,039
they were last year, which is very concerning.

773
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Ken Pop had them as a bottom

774
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,320
ten team by the end of the year last year.

775
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,599
So when I say bottom thirty, that might even be generous.

776
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:46,800
I did want to also cheap plug if I may.

777
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,480
You mentioned the red Bandana game trig obviously in football

778
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,639
I talked about that game if anyone would like my

779
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,840
opinion on SMU Boston College on the football field this weekend.

780
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,320
I broke that game down on the Power five, which

781
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,360
is now available elsewhere here on the way to talk

782
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784
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785
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,639
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786
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,400
all of your great comments that keep coming. And then

787
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,440
one more point before we go to a different game, Trig,

788
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,400
I wanted to kind of give maybe a more firm

789
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,480
outlook on that Bethune Cookman Miami game that we kind

790
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,199
of talked about a little earlier. I would not bet

791
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,800
Bethune Cookman in this game. Not only is it the

792
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,239
second of back to back roadies against Power Conference teams.

793
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,039
Let's not forget they went to overtime against Auburn. Let's

794
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:47,119
not forget that they shot over fifty percent not just overall,

795
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,119
but nearly fifty five percent from three. I don't think

796
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,000
Bethune Cookman's going to shoot fifty five percent from three

797
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,960
for a second straight road game against the Power Conference team.

798
00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:58,400
But that is just me.

799
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking about that that we could go

800
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,960
to Robber. We'll kind of like put you know, do

801
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:08,280
give this game the attention I suppose it deserves after

802
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,239
they nearly beat Auburn, took Auburn to overtime, but like

803
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,079
this was quickly bet up, which I agreed with. I

804
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,960
think this opened fourteen, quickly bet up to seventeen, like

805
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,280
before you could even blink. I think that's probably where

806
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,440
the beast the Bethune Cookman in Miami game six now

807
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,079
and again, I just I go back to Rob's point

808
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,320
and I'll let him bring this home. Quick turnaround having

809
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,280
to play another power conference team. You left it all

810
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,760
out on the floor, You played Auburn into overtime, played

811
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,039
extra basketball. Now you got to turn around, like I

812
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,400
don't even really care what your opinion is on Miami,

813
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,159
and I like this patuon Cookman team. I was saying yesterday,

814
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,199
I think that they could cast some tickets for you

815
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,199
as we get into like swack play and them playing

816
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,440
more competitive games. But this just seems like a horrific

817
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,599
spot for a lot of the things that Rob sort

818
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,679
of pointed out earlier. So I'll let him bring this

819
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,039
one home.

820
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bring I'm staring at the screen here with

821
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,000
the comment from the chat, and I will just say

822
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:07,760
that these analysis won't be thesis.

823
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,079
Speaker 1: Oh I gotta I gotta give Jay Bunk a hard

824
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,039
time about that comment, but I'm gonna let you finish

825
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,559
Miami Urse real quick.

826
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: I think the reason why they sound like thesis early

827
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,039
on is because we're trying to give everybody some sort

828
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:25,320
of feel or idea of what we're looking at with

829
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,639
these teams to start the season. Not everybody is, you know,

830
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:31,400
totally on top of college hoop right now. So I

831
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,840
just feel like it's our job in this sixty minutes

832
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,719
and Monday through Friday to give you the most we

833
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,119
know about these teams, about these coaching changes.

834
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,159
Speaker 3: You know, six.

835
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: Games from now, there won't be in depth talk about

836
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,719
coaching changes, philosophy changes.

837
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: We'll all know them by then.

838
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: So I think, problem, I gotta jump.

839
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:51,519
Speaker 4: In here real quick, learn while you yearn.

840
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: No, and I'm gonna pray this will This will be

841
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,760
our promo for the day. Listen. The three of us

842
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,639
sell plays. We sell plays at a website called wager Talk.

843
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,719
We had this problem, like, we're not coming to give

844
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,280
the whole born out right, We're only coming to talk

845
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,639
about the games we can fit into the hour and

846
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,840
give them the attention they deserve the ones you guys request.

847
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,440
If you want our opinions on the rest of the

848
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,599
games or other games, you know where to find all

849
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,599
our picks every day, all day wager talk dot com.

850
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,079
There's great specials up for where you can get all

851
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,480
of our picks. Every pick I put out comes with

852
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:27,239
full written analysis. You'll at least learn something. Even on

853
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,239
a day where I go owing to get a ton

854
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,360
of CLV but neither of my plays comes even close

855
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,599
to covering, I feel like I still gave out something

856
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,719
that you can learn from. So that's why we're not

857
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,760
in a rush to like nail every game on the board.

858
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,800
That's not the kind of show this is. We're trying

859
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,679
to dig into games that the chat requests and give

860
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,320
you actionable information. I think we're doing that so far.

861
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: And now to Brian Power, let's say on that note,

862
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:53,599
just to follow up, we don't like to leave any

863
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,800
stone unturned or leave any end loose. The Citadel was

864
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,719
the only team in the country that did not want

865
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,800
to come game last year, the only one. It was

866
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,519
a list of one. Yeah, just I wanted to just

867
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:07,840
you know, if people were wondering about that, just so

868
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,280
there was nobody else joining the Citadel on that.

869
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: And I'll go to rock. Did you have anything final

870
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,400
to say on Miami Bathune Cookman before we move on.

871
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with everything that's been stated here already.

872
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,679
Speaker 3: Guys. I think it might be a little tough. I'm

873
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:24,360
bit due Cookman.

874
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,199
Speaker 2: Let's not forget that not only was that you know

875
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,920
we called it a lay it all out game, but

876
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,199
it's an extra five minutes played in that game where

877
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:32,400
you thought you were gonna win.

878
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: There's potential to win that game.

879
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 2: So it probably even goes beyond that and could be

880
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:39,599
a good selling point if you want to make the

881
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:44,519
Miami argument tonight. But again, like I said about Eastern Washington,

882
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,079
the three of us being in the business for as

883
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,719
long as we have, you know, you try to be

884
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,199
proactive with this stuff in the Eastern Washington. What's been

885
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,719
done the first two games probably applies way more to

886
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,320
Big Sky when we get there, or it may apply

887
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,639
it Thanksgiving a week or way. Ever, when they're in

888
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,840
these non conference matchups, were there a heavily priced underdog,

889
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,320
and the same with Bethune Cookman. I'd like to get

890
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,639
single these teams out early on. You like to forecast

891
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:13,280
ahead So keep an eye on Betune Cookman whether they

892
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:13,840
win or.

893
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: Lose tonight against Miami.

894
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: If they lose, it's excusable.

895
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:19,079
Speaker 3: If they don't, they.

896
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: Got something going on down there with Reggie Theas.

897
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,679
Speaker 4: And one more thing with Bethune. Auburn had some home

898
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:29,320
cooking going. As far as the charity stripe went, Auburn

899
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:34,440
was plus twenty nine in free throw attempts. Yes, the

900
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,000
Auburn was twenty seven of thirty eight from the charity

901
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:41,639
stripe in that game. Bethune Cookman a poultry eight for nine,

902
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:48,320
So it was a home whistle there, Steven step Yeah, yeah,

903
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,400
So that that's something. I mean, it speaks well to right.

904
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,639
I mean, to have that kind of free throw disparity

905
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:55,639
go against you and to take Auburn and I mean,

906
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:58,000
that doesn't speak well to Auburn. But again, I think

907
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,199
we're all kind of in agreement that it's just you

908
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,920
come off a loss like that where you laid it

909
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,760
on the line forty five minutes, not just forty tough spot,

910
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,519
especially because the Thune's got shoot with the three as

911
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,280
well as they did the other night, no way.

912
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,159
Speaker 1: And just one other point there, like you know, maybe

913
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,920
it's a good in game betting opportunity, like you might

914
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,320
see them come out give a huge effort. We just

915
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,599
beat Auburn. We're gonna we you know, we think we

916
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,039
can win this game. First ten minutes they hang around

917
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,679
and then suddenly you can get a better number than

918
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,599
the what is now kind of an inflated number off

919
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:30,559
the open although again I think the number is probably

920
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,880
where it should be. I think that opener was was

921
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,800
quite low, being fourteen. I believe was where that one opened.

922
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,760
But again, just another way to look at it. Where

923
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,599
did my comment just go, oh, I have it on

924
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:46,000
the screen. Ethan Bainbridge. We're gonna see Ethan this weekend

925
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,800
at the Bowling Green game by myself and Brian looking

926
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,639
forward to that. He wants to know Jackson State plus

927
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:57,960
the Point. So one quality swack team to another. This

928
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,599
is gonna be Jackson State plus the Point. They're playing

929
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:05,440
Louisville tonight. Louisville won again. I don't does anyone remember

930
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,320
the final of that game on Monday. I know they

931
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,639
were up by sixty at one point against I think

932
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,480
South Carolina State. So I'll throw it to one of you,

933
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:18,400
one of you two obviously Louisville a massive favorite again

934
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,199
here thirty eight point favorite. But I know that the

935
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,280
two of you have kind of worked some team totals

936
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,000
into your you know, into the conversation with some of

937
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,559
these big spreads like this. So I'll go to Brian

938
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:33,679
first and then Rob can can follow up. Any way

939
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,639
to get into this Louisville Jackson State ate game for you.

940
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 4: I like the over It was one O four to

941
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,760
forty five against South Carolina State. To be precise, there

942
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:48,840
trig so Louisville and then Jackson State. They didn't exactly

943
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,719
play good defense against Illinois, did they. They gave up

944
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,800
triple digits. Well, gave up one point five points per possession.

945
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,679
You know, that's something that I always will I'll talk

946
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,079
about throughout the year.

947
00:46:58,119 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: Guys.

948
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 4: It's not just that raw number that they're giving up.

949
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,880
But you know, we talk about tempo all the time.

950
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,280
Some games, you know, sometimes you know the number of

951
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,440
points you're giving up. It's tempo based. But points per possession,

952
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,000
to me, is always a very reliable metric, especially once

953
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,719
you get into conference play and and they give one

954
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,800
point five points per possession of jack That is really

955
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:23,639
really atrocious. So I think Louisville unless unless Louisville just

956
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:28,199
doesn't take the game seriously, comes in sleepwalks. I think

957
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,760
they're gonna put up There's no reason to believe they're

958
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,320
not gonna put up a big point total. Again, won't

959
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,159
be as big as the right. I don't know, but

960
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,920
I would just lean towards the over. Just over full game,

961
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,800
let's leave the team. Maybe Rob likes the team total

962
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,440
ango better here, but I would just bet the old.

963
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:43,840
Just just a traditional over in this spot. I think Louisville.

964
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,239
I think Jackson State is going to do enough to

965
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,719
help get this one over.

966
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: And the team total here is one hundred. It's pretty simple.

967
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: The two head coaches here, Pat Kelcey and Moe Williams

968
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,559
both really want to go fast. I don't think you

969
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:00,840
know Jackson State gives up those points the other night

970
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,599
because they're not going to slow down. Certainly, Pat kelce

971
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,519
teams are not going to slow down, so you're gonna

972
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:10,000
have a high scoring game here. Brian, I too would

973
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:13,800
have you know, we just talked about Jackson State gave

974
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,280
up over one hundred, Louisville scored over one hundred, So

975
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,960
why not Rob save Louisville team total over one hundred.

976
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,960
It's not that easy to get to one hundred. So

977
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,480
I'd probably be way more in line with you, Brian,

978
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:25,760
to say that this is going to.

979
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: Be a high octane game.

980
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,199
Speaker 2: Louisville probably makes a whole boatloaded shots here. I don't

981
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,320
know that there's a lot of resistance on the Jackson

982
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,199
State defensive end, but you need to to get these

983
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,559
things up and over, and I do think Jackson State's

984
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:45,960
capable of, you know, especially in a game. We've talked

985
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,079
before about broken floor, easy buckets. In a game of

986
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,079
that style. This number doesn't actually.

987
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,039
Speaker 3: Appear all that high to me.

988
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,119
Speaker 2: It's been met up to one sixty two and a half.

989
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:58,599
That seems very real, like you could end up with

990
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,840
a ninety five seventy or I could see it and

991
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,039
you know, you cast your ticket here, So for me,

992
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:06,440
it would probably be full game over.

993
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

994
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,519
Speaker 4: One more thing, so, Louisville was up in the opener

995
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:15,000
fifty nine to fifteen at halftime. Again, just to what

996
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,840
we're saying here, if you don't think Louisville's gonna play

997
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,960
that well, again, here's the argument why you want to

998
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,039
not just isolate their team total. Jackson State, I think

999
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,519
shoots better than South Carolina State did against Louisville. Why

1000
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,960
do I say that? Because South Carolina State against Louisville

1001
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,039
shot twenty two point eight percent overall and just ten

1002
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:42,599
and a half percent from three, two four nineteen. So

1003
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,800
it wasn't even I mean, they got up an okay

1004
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,639
volume of threes. I just think, I mean, is louis

1005
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:50,960
so even if you so? That's why another reason I

1006
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,880
think rob just play the traditional over here.

1007
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't.

1008
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 4: I don't think Louisville's gonna put up those defensive numbers

1009
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:56,840
back to back.

1010
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:57,079
Speaker 3: Mates.

1011
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,599
Speaker 4: That's just when you have a defense, when you have

1012
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,719
when the oponent shoots that poorly, Yeah, you played some defense,

1013
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,039
but it also wasn't the opponent's night if they're shooting

1014
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:08,679
two for nineteen from three and twenty two percent overall

1015
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,519
from the flour and real quick.

1016
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:12,119
Speaker 2: Not to drag this out, but I'll think one more

1017
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:14,239
point on top of that, the fact that Louisville was

1018
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,760
up fifty nine to fifteen at halftime and didn't stop scoring,

1019
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,159
or to tell you something about Pat Kelcey, from fifty

1020
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,079
nine they went to one hundred and four. It's not

1021
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,800
like they slowed down. That's an eighty two possession game,

1022
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,519
they just kept going. I think that's probably what you'll

1023
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,639
see tonight. And to your point, you'll probably see a

1024
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:33,079
better offensive effort out of Jackson State.

1025
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:34,559
Speaker 3: So it should get over that. Now.

1026
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: I hadn't really paid close attention to that game, but

1027
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,000
as the three of us talk it out here, it

1028
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:40,920
seems like that's a reasonable bit today.

1029
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,079
Speaker 1: Well, and I'll just go back to Eaton's original point.

1030
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,360
You know, his original point was, Hey, Jackson State plus

1031
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,519
the points, Well that I mean, I think this conversation

1032
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,280
would would lend itself to Jackson State plus the points.

1033
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,440
Making sense, this opened at like thirty, it's up to

1034
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:03,280
thirty eight. That's a pretty substantial Yeah, it's a pretty

1035
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,000
substantial move. But like, here's the thing, Like, if you like,

1036
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,440
if you like Jackson State plus the points, you probably

1037
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,039
have to like the over as well. I feel like

1038
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:13,199
those are a little bit correlated. I think you're gonna

1039
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:16,639
need Jackson State to contribute to get to that over

1040
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,400
and if they contribute at all. And here's the thing, Like,

1041
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:22,719
Jackson State's another one of those couple teams at the

1042
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,039
top of the swap that I think are going to

1043
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:28,320
contend in that league this year. They're they're probably a

1044
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,599
much better team than the team that Louisville played on Monday.

1045
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,000
Just without like doing the numbers, I think i'd have

1046
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,440
Jackson State a substantial favorite over what would I think

1047
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,360
it was South Carolina State. Yeah, if you get any

1048
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,719
sort of effort here from Jackson State, which you know,

1049
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,079
they did play a big, a big team on opening

1050
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:49,000
night in Illinois, but like by the second half of

1051
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,760
that game, I think they just kind of said, ah,

1052
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,480
we got another game in a couple of days, didn't

1053
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,079
really play any defense. Game of fifty three points in

1054
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:58,320
the second half. So Ethan, I'm with you. At the

1055
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,239
current number, I could only like Jackson State, but I

1056
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,079
think I'm with the boys here. I think I think

1057
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:08,239
Over probably gets there in the end. All right, let's

1058
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,920
keep it moving. I got about eight minutes left. I'll

1059
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,320
go to Jay Buff. I wasn't giving him a herd.

1060
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,079
Someone's like, don't get Jay Buff's my boy. He lives

1061
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:18,079
ut he lives here in Syracuse. So we just we

1062
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:20,800
just joked back and forth. I know he's met Brian.

1063
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,239
I don't know if No's ever met him, but we uh,

1064
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:25,800
he comes out to Turning Stone every once in a while.

1065
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,079
We always have a good time. And I'm gonna go

1066
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:31,000
to his game Quinnipiac Central Connecticut State because I have

1067
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:35,480
an opinion on this one. Do we do what's the

1068
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:37,400
current number on this I feel like it was moving

1069
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:37,920
a little bit.

1070
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:44,119
Speaker 2: I got it varies, Adam, anywhere from opener of nine

1071
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,800
down to seven and a half. Or you can see

1072
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,679
some eight and a half's out there too, so anywhere

1073
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:50,000
between seven and a half and eight and a half.

1074
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting game for me. This is this

1075
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,239
is sort of like both in my neck of the woods,

1076
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,440
any se versus mac. Here's the thing with Quinnipiac, and

1077
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:04,440
I said this before the Monday's game against Saint John's.

1078
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:06,840
I think Quinnipiac might be getting a little too much

1079
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,000
credit for a Mario Monroe being on the roster. I mean,

1080
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:12,360
he was a guy that could have probably went to

1081
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,920
a high major if he wanted to leave Quinnipiac and

1082
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,480
entered the portal. He didn't. He stayed. It's certainly huge

1083
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,639
for them, but I have some question marks about the

1084
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,480
rest of that team, so I think, like, and I

1085
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:26,760
mean I'll give him a pass. Saint John's destroyed them

1086
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,920
the other night. This is obviously like a much different

1087
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,559
type game. But to turn around and think that they

1088
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:34,599
should be like a nine and a half point favorite

1089
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:37,239
here and now I kind of see that that's where

1090
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,320
it opened at nine. It looks like it's eight most

1091
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,639
places right now. I definitely sort of agree with that move.

1092
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,559
Central Connecticut State is another one of these NEC teams that, like, so,

1093
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:50,760
I was actually at the final last year, Central Connecticut

1094
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,599
State Saint Francis ended up being a huge upset. The

1095
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:57,920
gym was stunned and you could tell, like I mean,

1096
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,559
everyone thought that they weren't going to win that game

1097
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,280
go to the end tournament. That was sort of like

1098
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,960
the team for them. It was you know, Jordan Jones,

1099
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,760
I believe, was ended up being player of the Year

1100
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,840
in that conference. He's a pro now, I mean, just

1101
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,960
like it was like heartbreak City for a program that

1102
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,480
finally thought they were going to go to the NCAA

1103
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:18,719
tournament with that team. And so I think the fact

1104
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,440
that they've lost the player of the Year is maybe

1105
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,079
under valued them a little bit because they did lose

1106
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,920
a couple of guys. But Pat Sellers is a fantastic

1107
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,199
coach and this is still going to be a very

1108
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:32,079
good Central Connecticut State team. So I'm just not dying

1109
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:34,880
to lay nine here. With Quinnipiac, I would lean the dog.

1110
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,760
I like plus eight eight and a half. Nine's if

1111
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,559
if it comes back to nine, that's a good bet.

1112
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:44,239
I lean towards Central Connecticut State. All right, back to

1113
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,320
the comments, unless they either of you have anything to

1114
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:47,960
add on that one. I didn't know if you guys

1115
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,519
had anything to add on that one.

1116
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: I was guys at this totally.

1117
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go North Florida forty one and a half.

1118
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,559
It's up to the Florida team total here, guys is

1119
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:03,199
one oh five and a half. And I know North

1120
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,880
Florida is an absolute disaster, right Matthew driscoll I think

1121
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,000
you pointed it out the other day, Brian. He moved

1122
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:10,239
on to be an assistant on the case state staff

1123
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:13,320
and they've hired from within.

1124
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,119
Speaker 3: But the problem is, not only do you lose.

1125
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: All five starters, but you only have like one guy

1126
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:24,880
period back from last year's team. The question is, you know,

1127
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:27,880
does Florida want to pound somebody after losing to Arizona

1128
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,599
the other night? Do they want to take it easy?

1129
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:32,000
Et cetera, et cetera. When I see one oh five

1130
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:35,000
and a half, I think to myself, my goodness, that's

1131
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:38,079
just a huge number. I'd love to go ahead and

1132
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,360
take a whack at the under here on Florida's team total,

1133
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,840
but I don't know that I can get there with

1134
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,679
the current state of North Florida and not really knowing

1135
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:48,559
where Todd Golden's mindset is going to be. Is he

1136
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:50,599
going to drive these guys to get back on the

1137
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:53,360
horse and drill somebody and get your confidence back, or

1138
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,280
are they going to suffer a little bit of a

1139
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,920
hangover here? My personal opinion what I would lean towards

1140
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,199
the ladder somewhat of a hangover off of the Arizona game,

1141
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:06,400
But it is at home in THEO that that's a

1142
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,840
tough call there. Just that those numbers were very interesting

1143
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,599
to me after we talked about the Louisville game.

1144
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,199
Speaker 4: North Florida is one of those teams that obviously just

1145
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,679
lives and dies with the three there. They're gonna hoist

1146
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,880
a bunch of them up hope enough of them go in. Obviously,

1147
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,320
Florida is not the kind of opponent you would think

1148
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,559
that a lot of them are going to go in

1149
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:28,880
you you think, I mean, this is one of those situations.

1150
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,280
I mean, it could be a very long night for

1151
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,519
the Ospreys if if they're not shooting well from three.

1152
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,960
So I'll take the Campbell WVU game. By the way,

1153
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:43,480
since we hit that under. Uh yeah, yeah, I kind

1154
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,199
of agree. I think it might be another under here

1155
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,000
against Campbell. Uh for West Virginia. We hit the under

1156
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,159
against Mount Saint Mary's earlier in the week. H Campbell,

1157
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,400
It's interesting, you know, guys, you're gonna look if you

1158
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,320
just look at final scores. If you're so, oh, what

1159
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,639
was the final score Campbell's first game, You're gonna see

1160
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:03,880
they lost by thirty two points to Wisconsin. But that

1161
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,280
was a five point game with just over eight minutes left.

1162
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,800
That's what we call a bad eight minutes of basketball

1163
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,519
rop to close things out, So kind of a misleading

1164
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,920
final there for the Campbells. As a matter of fact,

1165
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,840
a twenty nine to two run. If you're on the

1166
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,400
wrong end of a twenty nine to two run, that's

1167
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,800
not good. Campbell typically is better defensively. They typically guard

1168
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,599
the three well and they don't play very fast. And

1169
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:31,599
we talked about what Ross Hodge is going to do

1170
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:34,719
in Morgantown, a fine college town. If I may add,

1171
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,639
as he comes over from North Texas, I think it's

1172
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:41,239
an I think it's back to back unders for dub

1173
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:43,079
VU to start the season.

1174
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1175
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: Any coach who says we're going to play like the

1176
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,000
University of Houston, who wouldn't want to play like the

1177
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,760
University of Houston? And you lean under with that guy

1178
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,960
and he comes from North Texas.

1179
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:01,599
Speaker 1: We are we are getting up against it. So I'll

1180
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,360
wrap I'll wrap the show up. I will say this.

1181
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,519
We comments in the chat, appreciate them. Listen all the

1182
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:11,039
feedback is great, good, bad, and different. We like to

1183
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:14,440
hear it all, so so hop into the comments on

1184
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the YouTube show on the YouTube replay. You can find

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the show on the wager Talk YouTube channel on demand.

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If you miss any part of it, you can go

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back to the beginning. But jump in the comments. Leave

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us a comment, let us know what you like you dislike.

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If there's a game we missed and you want to

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hear something about it, one of us will jump in

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and give you a couple of sentences to try to

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guide you in the right direction. We're gonna get to

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as many games as we can well while doing them

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justice during the hour, and we'll always end with a

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three team parlay, which we hope hits. Yesterday's didn't hit,

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but we started the year with back to back winning parlays.

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So and also we're gonna keep a record because I

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don't like when these shows give out picks and then

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don't keep a record, like you got to keep the record.

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So two and one on the parlay so far. But

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more importantly the record, the parlay record is what the

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units are. And if you for every dollar that you

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put on the parlay so far, if you're obviously if

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you're playing them even, you're up ten point ten dollars

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and four of ten dollars and forty cents for every dollar.

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That's a great start. We're gonna try to keep it

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going today. So without further ado, one more time, the

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three teamer for today comes out to plus five eighty

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two odds. Shop around You can always do better, uh

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if you shop around on these parlays. Brian Power is

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gonna go with his alma mater, the Ohio Bobcats on

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the money line minus one fifteen. I'm gonna go with

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Boston College and lay the big number minus sixteen and

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a half. And then we've got a full game total

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for Rob Vino. That's you see Riverside North Dakota under

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one p fifty. That's the three teamer today. We'll be

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back in the morning tomorrow ten am Eastern to close

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out the week, and every day Monday through Friday. Hit

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the like button and we'll see you guys in the morning.