WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.960 What's up, body, people, and welcome to Countdowns, a classic 2 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:24.399 where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey, everyone, 3 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:26.160 thanks so much for joining me for another episode of 4 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:28.640 Countdown in classic. It's so wonderful to have you all here. 5 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:31.879 And we've got another three hours about guess what old 6 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:36.399 Countdown on Project epochs. So, guys, the messages keep pouring in. 7 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:38.799 I'm not just saying this for shits and giggles. You 8 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:42.240 guys keep joining the discord or dming me or just 9 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:46.119 saying in what the Epoch channel like. All right, Josh, fine, 10 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.000 you finally broke me. I've been listening for years and 11 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:51.719 if I have to listen to one more minute of 12 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.439 this epoch stuff, I'm going to lose my shit. So 13 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:56.520 that's it. I'm just going to come and join you 14 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.039 over there on the server, and more and more of 15 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:01.920 you continue to roll on in, and it's so wonderful 16 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.599 to continue to bump into people who have been with 17 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:10.079 the show since day dot, which is just phenomenal. Look, guys, 18 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.319 we're having a lot of fun with the guild. There's 19 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:17.400 some wild stories out there. There's highs, there's not really 20 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:21.400 many lows, but more just like funny shit that's going on. 21 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.799 A lot of it is me being stupid, which you 22 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.879 know is part and parcel of the whole deal. But look, 23 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:32.920 everyone's having a great time. And look, we'll keep podcast recording. Sorry, 24 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:36.000 we keep recording these podcasts every weekend. Get in with 25 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:38.159 the guild, Come meet the guys that you're playing the 26 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:41.439 game with. It's a global server. Twenty four to seven. 27 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:44.439 All the Countdown people are getting together and saying gooday 28 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:48.439 and meeting the people that they've you know, shared a 29 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.560 love for the content with over the years, and have 30 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:53.920 for some reason put up with me for all this time. 31 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:57.200 So get involved. Guys, listen to this episode, Please do 32 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:02.959 enjoy it, and I'll see you at the end. Bye. 33 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.400 All right, it's time for another Countdown to Classic once again. 34 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.879 As you all know, we are focusing on Project Epoch 35 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.039 and I continue to get people popping up in the 36 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.280 Countdown discord, sending me dms, not that many dms, but 37 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:22.000 mostly just talking publicly in the discord about how they've gone. 38 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.840 That's it. I've had enough of you guys talking about 39 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:28.800 Epoch on the show. I've caved and I'm rolling a 40 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.240 tune there. And it's been wonderful to see more and 41 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:34.080 more people to sort of go, fuck if this, if this, 42 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.400 if this guy is just going to keep talking about 43 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.159 this fucking server. I want to see what all the 44 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:42.280 hubbub is about. And it's it's still happening. You know, 45 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.199 people are rolling new tunes and joining the guild and everything, 46 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:48.599 and it's great to see the countdown Leviathan continues to 47 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:51.120 grow and everyone's having a great time still in the 48 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:54.039 guilds and in game. Just you know, if you haven't 49 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:56.080 done it yet, just give it a look. It's it's 50 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.879 literally it costs you nothing, it's you know, harmless. Just 51 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:01.680 go and have a try and see what you think 52 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.919 of this erver. In the meantime, I'm sitting here in 53 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.240 a room full of what is what, nineteen of us 54 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:11.120 including me, which is fantastic, all sitting here in general 55 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:15.159 voice on a lovely Saturday morning Australia time, Friday evening, 56 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:19.800 Europe and America time, you know, the rest of the world, 57 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:23.159 North America, South America, Europe, all that stuff. So I 58 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:25.000 was just figured we'd throw it to the wolves and 59 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.199 get started, and guys were going to keep it pretty casual. Today, 60 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.719 I do want to do another Kangaroo Court. I do 61 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:36.800 want some more stories of triumph and tragedy, but also 62 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:38.919 we will talk more about you know, I'm interested to 63 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.360 hear more thoughts about the game. We're gonna hear more 64 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:45.000 from people who have devoured more of the level sixty content, 65 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:46.759 you know, lads and the boys will be doing a 66 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:50.800 bunch more dungeons. I finally did sixty, which is, you know, 67 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.240 really great to kind of shake that monkey off my back. 68 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.039 My walk is up there now and able to do 69 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:59.639 endgame content, and yeah, I just want to talk more about, 70 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.560 you know, what people are experiencing, you know, what kind 71 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:06.159 of bugs they may still be encountering that need work, 72 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.800 what kind of loot they've found, what kind of you know, 73 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.599 not so much going in on the meta, but what 74 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.000 differences they've noticed between how they played their classes at 75 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.279 Max here versus other servers in the past. And we'll 76 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.079 just shoot the shit and do it all guys. So look, 77 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.279 I'm not gonna really call out anyone specifically, but I 78 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:25.560 will throw it to the group and we'll go first 79 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:27.759 in best dress. Guys, Please don't be shy. I know 80 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.519 it's you know, the recording of the podcast and people 81 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:32.480 get a little bit shy when I start to do that, 82 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:34.879 but it is still just general voice, just everyone fucking 83 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:36.720 talk and we're all at the pub here and mates 84 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.839 and having fun. I want to hear from whoever wants 85 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:42.839 to speak on how their last week in the game 86 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:46.800 was anything, fun, interesting, happen, what you've noticed, what you've done. 87 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.199 Who's got a cool story for me over the last week. 88 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:53.560 I have a pretty good one. 89 00:04:54.600 --> 00:05:00.439 My heroes Questing and Fellward and basically there's a a 90 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.399 little spot behind the oozes where there's a Sayer boss 91 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.439 you have to kill, and I was just, you know, 92 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:11.000 a smite priest. I think I was fighting like the 93 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:15.680 boss and one of his minions and almost have him dead. 94 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:20.759 Turn around see a level sixty shaman running up to 95 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:24.279 me absolutely like starts laying into me. I'm like, oh 96 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:29.040 my goodness, I am toast panicked. I pressed fear and 97 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.120 right there there's like a big cliff that if you 98 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.720 fall down it you go to I think. 99 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:35.560 Dark Shore or something. 100 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:39.879 Basically, he started running towards the cliff. I tried to 101 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:42.360 mind control him, but I'm only level fifty one at 102 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:46.959 this points, and so it was like said two low 103 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:50.959 level for target. But I lucked out and the fear 104 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.759 just literally feared him off the cliff into like another 105 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.439 zone and it takes such a long time to walk back. 106 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:02.360 He died from the fall. I just like it's funny 107 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:06.040 because E thought, great, you can whisper people, and I said. 108 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:07.600 Wow, karma is real. 109 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.000 Uh, have a nice walk back, And next thing I know, 110 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:14.360 he's in Ogrimar. So I was like, just what a 111 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:15.480 what a wild server? 112 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:15.800 You know? 113 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:21.000 Very good? I love it. It's God. It's one of 114 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:25.279 those things where I think it's Marcus who is such 115 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:28.360 a huge fan of mind control and so wait, so 116 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:33.720 you're obviously playing, you praise this MIGHTE right, yeah, yeah, 117 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:35.800 have you been leaning on mind control a lot? Like 118 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:38.000 Marcus says it's the best fucking ability in the game. 119 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:44.000 It honestly, on private servers, especially this one, it's completely busted. Uh, 120 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:48.199 Like I did a sunken temple two days ago, and 121 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.079 you know those like the humanoid bosses you have to fight. 122 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:53.079 I think it's like I forget what their name is, 123 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.680 but like Ogam and the other guy, like you can 124 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.519 just straight up like mind control the other guy and 125 00:06:58.639 --> 00:06:59.639 just he does so much. 126 00:06:59.720 --> 00:06:59.920 Damn. 127 00:06:59.959 --> 00:07:04.639 It is just absolutely wild, just like it's almost like 128 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.399 they just haven't done the work to make guys immune 129 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:09.240 to mind control yet, so you can just mind control 130 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:10.600 bosses and everything. 131 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:11.879 It's it's wild. 132 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:13.800 So have you mucked around with it much in terms 133 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:16.040 of maybe pay Yeah? 134 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.480 Yeah, Like if if someone in Warsong is attacking me 135 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:21.199 and I have no chance, I'll just mind control them 136 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:22.319 and kind of run them away from me. 137 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:23.439 It's pretty hilarious. 138 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.120 Have you noticed many, like any jankiness with it that's 139 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:28.800 like unique to apok. 140 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.160 Not really other than being able to mind control way 141 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:34.759 more targets than normally you can. 142 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.079 But oh, okay, what kind of things that they opens it 143 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.279 up too, Like just. 144 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:42.759 Like bosses and stuff, Like normally you wouldn't be able 145 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.279 to do a dungeon boss, but sometimes certain dungeon bosses 146 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:48.759 you can just do, or like certain rare elites. 147 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.959 So outside of that encounter that you described, you've seen 148 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.639 it like multiple times just being like, oh, holy shit, 149 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:55.759 I can mind control this thing. 150 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:57.199 Yeah. 151 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:00.199 Like I was in the basement of BRD, like kind 152 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:02.439 of where you run into Bready and there's like this 153 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:06.040 huge troll berserker guy and he's a rare elite, and 154 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:08.680 I was like, I have no chance of soloing this guy, 155 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:10.720 so I'm gonna try to see if I can mind 156 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:14.000 control him and use all the little elite dwarfs like 157 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:16.439 the wardens and stuff to like kill him, and then 158 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:18.879 last second, I'll let go of it and try to 159 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:20.360 kill him before they kill me. 160 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:22.240 And it totally worked. 161 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:24.519 I was able to mind control this like rare elite 162 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.959 guy and then like use the dwarves to kill him 163 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:30.959 and unfortunately didn't drop anything good, but it was just 164 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:34.039 it was kind of a wild experience, very good. 165 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:38.320 All right, guys, who's knicks cap off the rank? Just honestly, 166 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.200 we're starting super light, super easy. Say whatever you want 167 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:44.200 to say, anything fun, anything interesting that you noticed or 168 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.039 saw this past week, even if you dinged sixty las, 169 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.879 let me know how congratulations. 170 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.159 Thanks, Yeah, got to see some of the dungeons really fun. 171 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:59.080 Let's says are really fun. I like the tuning. Their 172 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.679 difficult but not unfair, and it just requires coordination. They 173 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:05.600 all require just a little coordination and communication between people, 174 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:07.200 which is always nice. 175 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:08.320 Uh. 176 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:14.240 I don't think that the ability to you see everybody 177 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:16.759 that's a little bit loose here is a bug. I 178 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.080 think it's on purpose because the content's a lot harder, 179 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.240 but they also encourage you to use your CEC abilities, 180 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.120 So I think that's a lot of fun. It's not 181 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:29.120 just a face roll a everything down. Well, FuG your 182 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:30.320 abilities was just fun. 183 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.759 I think now that you've brought up the tangent, let's 184 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:34.600 do it, because I've been meaning to talk about this 185 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:36.440 the last couple of weeks and we sort of we've 186 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:38.639 tickled it, but we haven't really gone in on it. 187 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:42.559 And I agree with you, and you've everyone's heard me 188 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:47.320 on the podcast just fucking you know, jizzing my pants 189 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:50.279 over the fact that as a warlock, I'm encouraged a 190 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:53.360 little bit more to fear, not only because it really 191 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:57.440 does seem like fee isn't as much of a necessarily 192 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.559 a death sentence to a group in a dungeon as 193 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:02.600 we've pre thought, where everyone praise that the warlock doesn't 194 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:06.200 hit fear because of how far and how quickly mobs 195 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.919 run to pull other packs, but also just because you 196 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:14.799 know mobs are hitting harder. C C is a little 197 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:18.679 more desirable on epoch, if not arguably depending on the 198 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:24.000 group of necessity. How do you you know? Wow, Over 199 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.480 the years, it's very obvious to the playerbase has moved 200 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:32.320 towards the direction of AOI everything down, like you say, 201 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.759 you know, retail in particular is like CC, Lol, what's that? 202 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.559 Get the biggest pool you can do, and just fucking 203 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:42.159 AOI the fuck out of everything now. I to you know, 204 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.080 with respect obviously, if you push really high and mythic 205 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.799 plus keys, yes, I respect that CC may still play 206 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.279 a small or you know, a mild role in what 207 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:52.759 you're doing. I don't want to speak out of school 208 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:55.039 too much in that regard, but like for the most part, 209 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:57.679 retail people will know what I'm talking about that it's 210 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:05.360 burn burn burn and less control. However, Classic definitely started 211 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:08.639 moving in that burn burn Burn direction as well. As 212 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:12.240 you know, we went through Classic TBC, Classic Wrath, Classic, 213 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:15.879 Like from it was very obvious. Even from twenty nineteen onwards, 214 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.879 CC just wasn't a thing. It's just spellcleave, do your 215 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.080 fucking thing, face roll the content. Now we're presented with 216 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.440 a server that's like, hey, hey, hey, we want to 217 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:27.159 bring you really back to those days of like two 218 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.720 thousand and four where you started to consider CC much 219 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:34.519 more in your pools, And I, for one, as I say, 220 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:36.559 love it, but I want to know what you guys think. 221 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:41.840 Do you appreciate Epoch's approach to CC or don't be 222 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:44.960 afraid to say? Do you really just prefer just AoE? 223 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:46.279 Go nuts? I hate CC? 224 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:51.639 You're ready, in my opinion, love it? 225 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:52.679 You love it? 226 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:53.000 Yeah? 227 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:53.600 Do you? 228 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:57.759 Glas? I should say, outside of when I'm with you 229 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:00.000 in a dungeon, do you see many people in place 230 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:00.639 bloying CC? 231 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.759 Uh? If they are beg too, if they're asked too. 232 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.799 It's not it's not people's natural uh tendency. 233 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:12.399 So you're not seeing a lot of people proactively do it. 234 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.159 No, Like I have to mark, but I don't mind 235 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.320 because I'm usual. I play tanks, so I'm usually leading 236 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.799 the group, but I need to mark, right. No one's 237 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:21.799 gonna throw out a sheep like I thought. I specifically 238 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:22.440 asked for one. 239 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:24.960 You're just used to the the may being the madman 240 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.360 and and doing it willy nilly pretty much. 241 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.600 Yeah, and like it's kind of yeah. People just want 242 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.519 to you know, AOI they there can be a castor 243 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:37.919 off to the side that's not in my consecrate, just 244 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:42.000 free casting on the healer. And you know we have 245 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:44.879 a warlocky of a mage. Nobody just nobody bothers to fear, 246 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:46.159 Nobody bothers to sheep nobody. 247 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:50.440 I loved what I love there is. I'm going to 248 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:52.440 take that as a shot even if it wasn't intended 249 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:54.360 to sew. I'm going to take that as a shot 250 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:59.120 at ubiquitous, ubiquitous. Take that you, you useless motherfucker, not 251 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:04.240 using sheep on it anything? How dare you? He can 252 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:07.600 come and answer for his crime soon, guys, anyone else 253 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:08.039 tell me? 254 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:11.639 Are you pro it was notous? 255 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:14.279 It was not ubiquitous? All right, all right, we'll say it. 256 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:20.360 No guilty archurs. Fuck you. You just spoke up. So now 257 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.279 you have to answer the question, are you four or 258 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.720 against the you know, mild use of CC in these 259 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:31.120 kinds of dungeons? 260 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:32.799 I think I'm I'm bivalent. 261 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.960 Yeah, I'm shocked. It's why what what? 262 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:37.200 What? 263 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.679 What's what's making you torn? On the issue? 264 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:49.639 I played nineteen ANTIPC and Ralph. I would say that 265 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:54.080 I like out of the type of dungeon, and like 266 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:56.159 what you need to do in a dungeon or Heroic 267 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.399 and look out of all of those three, I probably 268 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.080 prefer Classic and then TBC and then Wrath like the 269 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:08.159 Mindless wrath dungeons of just you know, your pudent time 270 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:10.559 just pulls up the instance and they just mandously ever done. 271 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:15.759 It's not not as engaging with fun. But that being said, 272 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:19.720 like sometimes you don't want to spend an hour to 273 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:22.039 clear a fyle, mom, Like sometimes you just want to 274 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:23.519 a little quick run. 275 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:23.960 Right. 276 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:27.120 Yeah, well, I shouldn't be shocked you you are a 277 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:30.600 zug man. You do prefer the zag zag lifestyle, so 278 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:32.840 I shouldn't be shocked the shock that you're kind of, 279 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:36.960 you know, slightly erring on the side of let's just 280 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:37.399 fucking go. 281 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:42.559 I think if if you have a competent group, you 282 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:47.799 should be able to like play around things in a 283 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:51.200 way where you don't need to assign a sap for 284 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.279 that trasmobin in the pack and as sheep for another 285 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.200 and a fear for the third. Like I think, if 286 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.120 you have a good group, you should be able to 287 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.639 play around it rather than having to rely entirely on cc. 288 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.240 All right now, it was the old days of ubers. 289 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:08.519 Though. 290 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.279 Ubers used to have to pull and shape something and 291 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.919 sept something and used to have like really large pools 292 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:16.039 in the original. 293 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.440 No, I mean I still have really large pools to 294 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.080 this day. But I mean that's a story for another time. Guys, 295 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.360 anyone else on this one. I really want to know 296 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.679 if APO's approach to CC gives you the shits or 297 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:31.679 if you think it's fucking champagne football. 298 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.799 Hey, Josh, I here, basically I was I honestly for 299 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:40.600 a priest, and going back to what you were talking 300 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:43.919 about before, it's it might be the funnest part of 301 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:47.799 our toolkit is actually like being able to like mind 302 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.759 control CC all these different cool mobs, especially if they're 303 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.480 a new mob, because they'll have like certain abilities that 304 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.080 you've never seen before. And if it's like a really 305 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.480 powerful one. Now you're in the pilot's seat of that mob, 306 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.720 just cranking and it is like so much fun. 307 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.240 I love it every single time. 308 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:08.519 Like Strathholme, you grab one of those battle majors, you 309 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.639 are cranking and it is so much fun every time. 310 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.919 And so for priests, I think it's unbelievable. 311 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:20.639 All right, Voodoo, Sorry, so you go, you go, mate. 312 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:23.720 No, I was just about to say, like, so I 313 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.080 play a rogue, so I'm very pro CC like CC 314 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:30.840 is basically half of my life as a rogue. So 315 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.360 it's fun to be able to apply that into PV 316 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:35.399 as well, not just pivot. 317 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:38.720 P see that's I agree with you that, Like I 318 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.519 want to talk about the Rogues for just a second, 319 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.960 because like the Rogues toolkit for control is obviously insane, 320 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:45.919 and people just think of the Rogues control in terms 321 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:49.279 of PvP, but it's, you know, incredibly evident in PvE 322 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.559 as well. I am not used to seeing rogues, you know, 323 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:55.799 and Ubiquitous calls this out a lot as well, like, 324 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:58.720 you know, why don't the rogues fucking why aren't you 325 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:01.759 kidney shotting something? Why aren't you doing blinding blah blah 326 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:05.519 blah blah blah. I am not used to seeing rogues 327 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:07.640 because obviously we've not played a version of the game 328 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.880 it's really required it. But like i'd be interested to 329 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:13.400 see on Epoch. I don't think I'm gonna see many 330 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:17.319 Rogues using CC on Epoch because rogues just for whatever reason, 331 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.240 do think of themselves as the damage dealer. Oh damage 332 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.640 is my CC, go go go. I'm not going to 333 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:25.279 fucking see see anything else. 334 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:27.200 You know. 335 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.640 But on that point, Henrix, like I would love to 336 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:32.880 see more of it, because if I was playing a rogue, 337 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.839 I would get off on fucking doing the kidney shot 338 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:38.799 and the blind and everything, so like, it's not like 339 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:40.200 you don't have the toolkit for it. 340 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:43.680 No, no, I always I always see see whenever I 341 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.759 can in the dungeon every time, because I think it's fun. 342 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:50.839 I think it's fun to control the fight and the 343 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:52.640 help by of my team. And you know, if you 344 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:55.400 have a if you have a runaway mob, you can 345 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.279 just kidney it or whatever. 346 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.880 Eventually some they maybe saved the day. 347 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.440 Do you agree that? Do you agree that most rogues 348 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:05.960 try to brute force things? 349 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:07.960 Oh yeah, oh yeah. 350 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:12.000 I've played a bunch of dungeons with more rogs than 351 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.920 they've None of them have ever used to. 352 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.039 Voodoo. All good. If you've got to run soon, mate. 353 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:20.480 If you can't talk, you can't talk. I was just 354 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:22.480 going to ask you one really really quick question. Let 355 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:24.200 me know if you can answer it. I was just 356 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.119 going to say, in the dungeon runs that you've been 357 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.039 running at sixty as a tank, have you noticed people 358 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:30.759 using CC much or not? 359 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:34.160 No? 360 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:34.759 Not really? 361 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:38.599 Okay, have you as the tank been wanting it or 362 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:39.839 have you not been needing it? 363 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:45.200 I don't think we need it, but to make the 364 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.759 dungeon go quicker. I think it would be super helpful 365 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.960 because some of those pools are pretty big, especially in 366 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:54.079 like Strap and all that. 367 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:58.960 All right, fair enough, someone else was going to chime 368 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:00.920 in there? Who was that? Was they you lads on something? 369 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:03.680 Yeah, I just wanted to echo it. We said, it's 370 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.440 not that it's like absolutely needed, but I've been with 371 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:09.519 rugues who think of themselves with damage dealers and they're 372 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:12.039 pretty much a useless to the party, and then others 373 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:15.559 who are just like kind of just like see seeing everything, 374 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.519 and it's so it's so useful and it makes things, 375 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.599 you know, they might not show up on the damage mirrors, 376 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.680 but like they make the run go so much faster 377 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.319 and smoother and it's much appreciated. 378 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.880 Tom, were you going to say something, Yeah, I'm only 379 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.599 doing the low level dungeons, like you know, Stockades and 380 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.799 Deadminds so far, and we've had to see see a 381 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.839 lot because sometimes the incoming tank damage is so high 382 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:42.720 you just want to keep the tank alive. And that 383 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:44.319 we didn't have any wipes, but. 384 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:46.400 You know, we've had a couple of occasions where the 385 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:48.279 tanks died and you've had to sort of do a 386 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:53.039 few janky things to get through. I think that if 387 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:55.880 you're you have a pull and epoch, you can you 388 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:57.960 can the whole group can white pretty quick. 389 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:02.079 Right, Yeah, And that's what I've been interested in, you know, 390 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:06.279 hearing from the tanks and whatnot, because I'm like, or everyone, 391 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:07.640 you don't have to be a tank to answer this. 392 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:10.960 But like, one of the reasons I've really enjoyed CC 393 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.680 on Epoch in particular is that exact reason. 394 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:14.000 Tom. 395 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:17.480 But I view it as I view every pool as 396 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:21.519 like CC is insurance, and I'm like, I'm going to 397 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:26.079 buy some insurance here, and if the insurance is effectively free, 398 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.720 why wouldn't I cover the whole party's ass You know 399 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:35.000 that that that really good, you know, fucking expansive insurance 400 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:37.440 policy I can get by just throwing out a twenty 401 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.440 second fear on something with a one and a half 402 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:44.240 second cast, and I'm just like, Okay, here's a five pool. 403 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:48.119 There is a ninety nine percent chance that nothing strange 404 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:51.039 is going to happen with this pool. It's all relative, 405 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:55.400 you know, relatively straightforward. Let's just do it, blah blah blah. 406 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:59.079 But it is the question of I guess, you know, 407 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:01.799 do you just AOI them all down, and am I 408 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:05.839 griefing the group by fearing one off and making it 409 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:07.799 just you know, a little bit easier on the tank 410 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:12.519 and healer or should I leave them in the pack 411 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:15.400 and just you know, if you wipe your wipe trust 412 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.880 the process, it's all good. I don't know, it's It's 413 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:21.839 basically just a judgment call at the time. And sometimes 414 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.880 I do feel bad for sending out that fear because 415 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:25.680 I'm like, well, we really didn't need that, and that 416 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:27.640 mob would be dead by now if we just let 417 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:28.759 it go down with the AoE. 418 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:35.160 I think you're not doing the wrong thing by feeling 419 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:41.240 especially with epochs new fear system doesn't seem to be 420 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:42.680 as crazy as blizzards. 421 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:47.599 Yeah, well, well, I'll keep an eye on you. 422 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:50.799 That experiences, because that's experience. It's your first time in 423 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:53.240 a dungeon see four. I think you should go wild 424 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:57.000 with the CC and then just like pare it down 425 00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:59.599 as you're getting more comfortable, you know what you're doing. 426 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:06.400 Yeah, yeah, now, Las an interesting conversation came up amongst 427 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:10.680 you guys after Yibi. I think is going to eventually 428 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:13.680 wake up and regale us with a tale of horror 429 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:18.480 about a Strathholme run that you did, and certain names 430 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.759 will be redacted to protect the innocent, or should I say, 431 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:26.000 to protect the guilty. But mate, you guys were talking 432 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:30.920 about your maybe evolving thoughts on Paladin tanking, where the 433 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.640 whole server is a buzz with just oh my god, 434 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.880 Paladin tanks. They're so good. Why would you take anything else? 435 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:39.480 Blah blah blah, And obviously that's going to rankle all 436 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:41.599 the other tanks and be like, hey man, this is bullshit, Like, 437 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.599 let's not and I agree, let's not do the thing 438 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:49.720 where we start to create a meta discourage Pete, discourage 439 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.200 people from playing any other tank than Paladin, Like, of 440 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.200 course you can do all the content with any tank, 441 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:56.880 and you can, but you know, people are going like, oh, 442 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.559 is fucking Paladin the best? But after a couple of 443 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:02.680 runs you had and you play a Paladin tank, lads, 444 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:08.079 you guys were starting to question the the the effectiveness 445 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:10.599 of the Paladin tank or maybe saying it's maybe not 446 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:13.640 quite like it's still powerful, but maybe not the power 447 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:17.799 house or you know, only answer to tanking that people 448 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:19.440 might think it is. Is that the case? 449 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.960 Yeah, I think Paladin definitely is a powerhouse Uh. Tank, 450 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:30.480 it's definitely is the most user friendly and probably uh, 451 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:33.279 I don't know. Maybe I haven't played a Druid, so 452 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:35.880 I don't have much experience, but certainly for the away 453 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:39.240 situations that it's easier for a paladin, uh take it 454 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:45.920 if he is to learn in Druid. Yeah, like for 455 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.440 you know what small poles like you, it's pretty simple too, uh, 456 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:52.000 And they're very survival. But I think each tank has 457 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:53.960 a role and they're going to shine in those roles. 458 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:54.680 Yeah. 459 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:57.680 I think the reason why it's not that Warrior or 460 00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.680 Druid is bad when people say they want to paladin. 461 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:02.000 If they do say they're bad, I think they're just 462 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.799 ignorant because they do have great toolkits. It's that they 463 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:08.200 want to play a certain way. They want to AOI 464 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.319 face roll, not to have to think. They don't want 465 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:12.960 to have to prioritize targets. They don't have to look 466 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.480 at a skull. They want to take their face and 467 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.720 smash on their keyboard and hit multi shot or hit 468 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.119 Blizzard and don't have to worry about which target they're targeting. 469 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.519 And if you want to do that, then the Paladin 470 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.480 is the absolute best tank. But the other tanks have 471 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.359 other advantages over the palad and that in certain situations 472 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:32.279 and certain group comps they can succeed. You just have 473 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:35.000 to adjust the way you play. Yeah, well you got 474 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:36.720 not forbid you ask one to do that. 475 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:39.440 You mentioned, I mean, Voodoo, you would know like druids 476 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:41.880 pretty much can only that they're very used to and 477 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.640 can and can only do the you know, the small polls, 478 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:47.759 so to speak. Isn't that right, Voodoo? 479 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:54.400 Yes, unfortunately, we're just we're very very much a solo tank. 480 00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:58.640 But it's also very dear dependent too, Like I've got 481 00:24:58.920 --> 00:24:59.640 call gear. 482 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:03.160 And barely any attack power. 483 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:05.880 But once you start cramming that up, it just gets 484 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:09.720 better and better. But yeah, well, ideally known as the 485 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:11.240 single target tank. 486 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:13.599 It's so interrupting. 487 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:17.079 Is the Druid tank playing the same as it was 488 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:17.759 in TBC? 489 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:22.720 Now, yeah, there's not really any much difference to it. 490 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:26.960 So it was the by far of the best tank 491 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:32.240 for reading in TBC for rating. Yeah yeah, yeah, but 492 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:33.880 dungeons might be a little bit different. 493 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:34.680 You would you would. 494 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:37.119 Carry out a small Paladin tank with you just for 495 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.599 trush and then you would tell them to fk for bosses. 496 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:43.640 So lads, just back to the kind of things that 497 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.279 you guys were discussing. You brought up that, like, you know, 498 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.240 you were finding it more and more obvious that you know, 499 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:52.640 Paladin tanks on Epoch, and you know it might be 500 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:54.920 it might have been the same case in TBC. But 501 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.200 you can either be really good at mitigation, really good 502 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.920 at threat, but not really good at both. Is that 503 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:07.519 the case, Yeah. 504 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.319 I'd say so, I mean, you get there's much more gear, 505 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.319 there's there's definitely true in TBC. The gear in Epoch 506 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.920 is better. So I got the at the h like 507 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.319 the Dungeon two set, and the death Bone has been 508 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.039 reworked so it does have stamp, it does have spell 509 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.000 and spell power, and you know it's got both threat 510 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.839 stats that would need. So I would say it's definitely 511 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:33.799 true of TVC, and it was true while leveling, but 512 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.240 now as I'm starting to get better gear on the apockets, 513 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:40.119 better itemizes for Paladin, I think they kind of give 514 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:43.440 us both. And I would definitely say Paladin is it 515 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.559 plays them o TVC, but it's definitely more powerful in Epoch. 516 00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:49.839 They've given us certain things that just for example, our 517 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:54.279 shield throw is instant, which makes pulling much easier and 518 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:58.039 just have instant threat and every on you know, the 519 00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.200 first three targets h which allows us to seal and 520 00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:04.839 judge wisdom to keep her mount up. And also ardent 521 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.880 Defender works properly, doesn't get lead frogs, so we can 522 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.720 Actually I'm like TVC, you can trust a pallet tank 523 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.440 to try to take take a raid boss without needing 524 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.440 the ridiculous amounts of healing. 525 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:22.079 I gotta keep these Sorry, Last, I was asking like 526 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:27.400 a comments, I got to keep these meat sacks alive, said, uh, 527 00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:31.319 warriors are slept on and and this like everyone like 528 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.200 you're saying Last wants a palatine because you guys can 529 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.960 just say you the shid of trash. But I then 530 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:38.359 a couple of dungeons with some really good warriors got 531 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.960 their threat was as good as a palade, and their 532 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.759 damage is top tear and their house like doesn't even move. 533 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.839 I can sit there and like you know, play mind 534 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:49.079 speaker monitor and every now and then hit him with 535 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:51.079 a hot or something like one life but keeps the 536 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:56.640 warrior up. Yeahs are strong, but sometimes they really spike. 537 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.119 It's like good, good good, oh my god, he's I 538 00:27:59.319 --> 00:27:59.640 was dead. 539 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.119 Yeah, that's because we will almost well, artis defender doesn't 540 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.200 kick in the thirty percent, so we need to take 541 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.319 damage for a spiritual tiement to give us mant of back. 542 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.279 So it's designed, I think very well where we're gonna 543 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.839 stay alive, but we're gonna need more healings. The warrior 544 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.640 in a dungeon setting one doesn't have you know, doesn't 545 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.720 have another warrior to do it, is going to have 546 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:24.680 demost shout and thunderclap, which paladin tank's not always gonna 547 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:26.519 have it in a dungeon, so they're gonna take much 548 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:28.799 less damage. In a rate setting, you'll have the GPS 549 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.920 warriors or another tank warrior to give that to what 550 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:32.680 paladin or druid. 551 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:35.279 But I've seen a lot of puns don't speck into 552 00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:36.160 that for some reason. 553 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.920 I think they're crazy, but I mean whatever. 554 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:42.559 Not like you can play five points and like when 555 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:44.759 you're less than thirty percent or something, it takes difking 556 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:46.160 away less damage than is. 557 00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.279 Yeah, it's it's a thirty percent damage reduction on top 558 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.279 of your other damage reduction. So that's pretty powerful, I think. 559 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:56.319 But like paladins aren't like to be on end all 560 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:01.400 like some bosses and dungeons. Uh, silence, some managering, you know, 561 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:03.799 and that those situations like it doesn't feel great to 562 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.279 be a palert those situations, I you know, I love 563 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.720 having regions seat of matter, and then other situations you know, 564 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:13.799 it's great to dump build a front love and dump 565 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.319 all your matter on the pole, and you know they're 566 00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.079 just advands and disadvantage teach and so I dofinitely think 567 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.759 it takes more. There's a higher skill for worse, and 568 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.799 they're harder. They're much harder. I think a lot more 569 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:25.400 efforts to play in dungeons, for sure. 570 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.200 But Vio said about you, it's very actively taking years. 571 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.559 I don't only come across like two adequate bear tanks. 572 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:34.880 Most of them everyone's tanking, but the bearer. 573 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:39.400 I think it seems to be the case that I 574 00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:42.480 don't know, it's as more and more people arrive at sixty. 575 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:46.839 You know, I know this game is a quote unquote 576 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:50.599 TBC base, but it is still slightly different. Epoch is 577 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.079 its own thing, and people you know, are wanting to 578 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.880 work out what's good, what's not good, and you know 579 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.440 what I should roll for an alt and all that stuff. 580 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:01.400 So it's it's it's fun sort of watching people just 581 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.880 trying to sort of see how it all goes at sixty. 582 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:08.160 But you know, another thing is the healers as well, 583 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:10.680 and people trying to figure out which healers are performing 584 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.640 particularly well at the end of the day. I know 585 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:14.680 it's such a lame answer, but it does still seem 586 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:16.160 to be the case that it's just like, play what 587 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:20.319 you like. You know, everything's fine, but sorry, Las lean 588 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.400 on you so heavily at the outset of the podcast, 589 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.599 but Ubi's just messaged me and said, unfortunately, something's come up, 590 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:26.920 so he's not going to be able to join us. 591 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.640 So I'm going to place the onus on you too, 592 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:35.440 as dramatically and entertainingly as you can regale us with 593 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:41.200 this tale of tragedy that you had in Strathholm two 594 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:46.200 nights ago. Now we'll redact names to We had a 595 00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.799 big chat before the podcast and said, look, if we're 596 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.440 telling stories of people who have not been the greatest 597 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.599 of players on the server, maybe it's best that you know, 598 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.440 at least on the podcast. You know, we feel like 599 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:02.880 discords a little bit different because that's into guild chat 600 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.640 and people are like, oh god, you know, if you're 601 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.759 getting in a party with this guy, just be wary 602 00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.119 of them. But on the podcast, we'll keep the names 603 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.559 of the guilty redacted so that we're not really throwing 604 00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:15.599 them under the bus in front of thousands of people. 605 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.079 You know, you never know when someone's new to a 606 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.799 role or new to the game or whatnot and all 607 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:25.079 that stuff. But anyway, keeping that in mind, lads, give 608 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.720 us as close to a ubiquitous style regaling of this 609 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.759 dungeon run as you can. Starting from the very top. 610 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:44.160 So we got to Stratham, Undead and the warriors leading 611 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.519 the group we got we got Ubi and the boxer, 612 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:49.720 guild mate and the orient in there, and then to 613 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.359 two plugs the healer I guess we were the plugs, 614 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.079 but the healer, Paladin, Healer and the Warrior put the 615 00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.839 group together. Yes, I was taking. 616 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.319 And they found three down people to come in and 617 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:01.960 save the day. 618 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:08.359 Gotcha absolutely. So as soon as we get there, the 619 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.880 warrior opens the gate for us because none else has 620 00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:20.480 a key and then says, oh afk one minute. Well 621 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:22.599 that one minute was like twenty. It was like twenty minutes, 622 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.880 and we killed like a bosom between. So that was 623 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:25.960 first LA was will annoying. 624 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:31.440 Yeah, I fucking hate that can we just sorry, I'm 625 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.240 gonna pause you there and just say, like I mean, look, 626 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.599 I'm trying to think if I've been guilty of this 627 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:42.480 in the past, and like maybe in the podcast, but 628 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:46.839 like in WEW generally, if I say be right back 629 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.079 two minutes, like it is two minutes. Like I'd never 630 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:54.640 understood the person that gets in a dungeon group and 631 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:58.000 either just before the dungeon starts or in the first 632 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:02.799 five ten minutes. Sorry, guys, I'll be right back. And 633 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.039 like like we said last week, sorry, hang on, al, 634 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:10.559 you're breaking up a bit, I'd never understood. Like, as 635 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:13.000 we said, real life happens. I totally get it. My 636 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.440 cat's on fire, Oh my god, my wife's just come home. 637 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:16.599 I have to go and talk to her for a 638 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.359 little bit. Whatever it might be, real life happens. But 639 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.359 like as soon as you realize you now have to 640 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:23.839 step away, or even if you have to take the 641 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:28.160 fifteen minute dump, like the people that don't say anything 642 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.359 or that pretend like I'll only be a minute or 643 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.240 two and literally just leave people hanging like it is 644 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.319 the rudest fucking thing I could ever think of, Like 645 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.440 it irritates me to no end, but anyway. 646 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:40.680 Have you done? 647 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:45.039 Yeah, what he was doing? What was what was he doing? 648 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:50.559 He was smuggling weight. 649 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:54.880 His behavior the rest of the road would make sense 650 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.440 because he was chatting the whole time. He wasn't doing dad, 651 00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.920 But she had the great he had amazing gear. Yeah, 652 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.160 four four PPP set, but he had like a six 653 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:08.039 piece bonus and then two like a two piece dungeon 654 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.639 two set. Like he was a very very good gear. 655 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.639 Well that's he PLAYSK and bgs. 656 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:16.559 As as this. Well that that might be the case, lads, 657 00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:18.559 because as this dungeon was going on, one of the 658 00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.880 things that stood out to me from your guys, and 659 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:22.039 we're going to get into the story. 660 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:22.199 Guy. 661 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.280 Sorry, I keep kind of holding lads back, but if 662 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.400 you haven't sort of picked up on this warrior is 663 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.079 going to be painted as a bit of a villain 664 00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.119 through this dungeon because he does a number of things 665 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.079 that are pretty fucking weird. But like one of the 666 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.480 things you guys kept saying as the dungeon run was 667 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:41.599 going wrong along in discord, lads, was like, you know, 668 00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.880 how the fuck did this guy get all this gear? 669 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.679 Because you said he was he turned out to be 670 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:49.559 a pretty fucking ordinary player, but he had this amazing gear. 671 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:58.840 Gets carried and just yeah, just good honestly, probably just 672 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:02.559 high and just paying attention. That would make sense. 673 00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:05.480 Well on that. No, sorry again I'm going to be 674 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.000 really annoying. But for all you weight smokers out there, 675 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:09.840 like I'm not a weight guy. I always thought it 676 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:12.840 was like relatively quick to burn down a cone, Like 677 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:14.840 how do you when someone goes off go away for 678 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.880 fifteen minutes? Like what's with the protracted length of fucking 679 00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:22.079 getting high? 680 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.960 It just gets away from you. You think it's going 681 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.079 to be quick, and then you know you lose track 682 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:28.480 of time. 683 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.679 Fair enough, fair enough, all right, sorry, Las, back to it, 684 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:33.239 keep going. 685 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:40.079 Yeah, so then he also nothing that was really annoying though. 686 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.039 The second boss, the Banshee, is harder than she is 687 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.599 in Classic, has some cool mechanics, but it was definitely 688 00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:55.840 it was definitely a challenge, and Ubiquitous was really pissed 689 00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.400 off because we almost wiped barely barely killed her. You know, 690 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.199 two of us are dead, and everyone's like out of mannon. 691 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:09.639 It was just pretty sure I died an event. Uh, 692 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.960 it would have been fine. It would have been fine, 693 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:16.880 except ub was actually using CC on the ads. And 694 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.599 this this warrior was whirlwinding or cleaving or doing something 695 00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.400 and putting bleeds on all of us, all the ads 696 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.920 and breaking his uh break in the CC. So it's 697 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.000 just like he was just making everything like super hard 698 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.159 on us. Uh. You know, he's just one of those 699 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:38.719 you know, just zug zug yeah on the computer. So 700 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:40.800 you was really mad at that because the sheeps are 701 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:44.760 getting broken. But and then he goes, yeah he f 702 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.440 Kate a second time, yaha, be right back and then 703 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.920 like you know, left and then the problem is he 704 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.199 gave Kate on a wipe uh and he's never had 705 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:59.039 the key. So we're just sitting there for that for 706 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:03.000 we can't get it in. He finally gets there, we 707 00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:05.199 wiped again. I'll get to the wife to the second. 708 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.599 But because he pissed me off you more than the wife, 709 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:12.320 we wiped again for you know, various reasons. And he 710 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:16.079 knows he's the only one as a key, and I 711 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.000 come in with him. I'm just behind him. He opens 712 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.239 the door, keeps going and I'm like, hello, I open 713 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:25.320 the door for me a type of and he just 714 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.360 keeps running, doesn't doesn't slow down. So I'm we're waiting 715 00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:31.880 another five minutes as I'm typing in like open the door, 716 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.760 come back, come back, and back, and then he just 717 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.559 types in like five minutes, are okay back? Oh wow, 718 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.800 Oh you can't get in, Like that's not ten minutes 719 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.079 wast Still, he was just like on a different planet. 720 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:44.360 It was so it was so annoying, Like we literally 721 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.960 ran in almost at the same time, except he was 722 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.000 a little bit ahead of me. I just needed if 723 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.719 it was an extra second, I could have snucketting behind him. 724 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.159 But just totally like oblivious to everything that's that was 725 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.239 going on, just doing in his own world anyway. 726 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.960 So the other part of the story that to mention is 727 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.400 that I'm laughing at you big this whole time. 728 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:06.239 We have an audience at. 729 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.719 This time watching this live up to this point in 730 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:12.000 the story. What did you say that was tickling your pickle? 731 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:17.239 It was just losing his hat. He was so frustrated, 732 00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:21.159 it was. It was glorious. 733 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.480 Yeah, so are we had a healer. 734 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.360 Backstory is my favorite. 735 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.199 We had a paladin healer and before we get into uh, 736 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:35.280 you know, the wipes and everything, I had just run 737 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:40.039 before that, a Ubers with a paladin healer, my first 738 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.400 holy Paladin I've run with. For some reason, I just 739 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.599 run with more Shamans and priests and drewids, especially shamans 740 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:48.960 a lot of anyway. So I was like, how they 741 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.159 and this Holy Paladin was like decked out, had good 742 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.559 gear the previous one and it was like a really 743 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:59.440 smooth beard run with no wipes, just and the bosses 744 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.039 at the end can pretty tricky. So it was just 745 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:04.480 I never like even got the health health like it 746 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.039 was just full man of like just keeping me up 747 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.000 the entire time. It was like amazing. So I'm talking 748 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:11.159 to Ubi up like that, like, oh, yes, we got 749 00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.840 a paladin. They're the best dungeon healers, Like I just 750 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.159 had one. It'd be like like here in for a treat. 751 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:18.840 This is going to be a really smooth run. Like 752 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:20.360 I'm talking all this, I'm talking all this ship like 753 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:21.559 hyping up Holy Paladin. 754 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:22.159 Yeah. 755 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.960 And then we get in there and this guy and 756 00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:28.920 he was a very nice guy, I think, and just 757 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.039 didn't know what he was doing. He had very good gear, 758 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.039 very you know approach. He had the dungeon one set 759 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.199 some dungeon too, like uh he was he had a 760 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.239 good gear like it wasn't it wasn't the problem because 761 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:41.360 he kept saying, is that my gear is in my 762 00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:42.679 gear and I was like, no, it's not your gear. 763 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.159 He's was pressing the wrong spells, was waiting too long 764 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.119 to cast, like he waits till I was low to 765 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.559 start casting, and was just casting the wrong spells. He 766 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.480 was casting flash of light a lot into the Holy Light, 767 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.280 and just just had a very slow reaction time. Wasn't 768 00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:57.519 pre casting, just a lot of stuff. Just didn't know 769 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.360 what he was doing and didn't really understand the fine 770 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.960 he was trying. But he just could have cut it. 771 00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:05.559 Let me, let me jump in, and I'm going to 772 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.639 be far more scathing than you. You're far too nice, laz. 773 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:12.719 Because I tuned in for the end of the dungeon 774 00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.760 when you guys were having I think you wiped a 775 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.800 few times on Baron. I didn't see any of the wipes. 776 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.119 I only tuned in just when you got the kill. 777 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.199 I think the toile like eleven to twelve waves in 778 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.599 the run like Baron alone was live waves. And I 779 00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.000 was like, I told you, I don't think this is possible. 780 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:30.840 I don't think we can do it with this guy, right. 781 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:33.280 So I tuned in literally just for the last two 782 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:35.599 minutes and saw you at the start of the fight 783 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.719 and you downed the boss, and I just watched what 784 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.840 was happening because I knew that you guys were having 785 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.880 the run from hell, so I was like, oh, I've 786 00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:43.320 got to watch a little bit of this and see 787 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.360 what the fuck is going on. And as you know, 788 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.599 a guy who gravitates towards healing, I just mainly kept 789 00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.280 an eye on the healer and the health bars and 790 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.000 sort of was sitting there thinking what I would be 791 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:58.079 doing if I was in there. And I was so 792 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.400 hard on this guy because I was just like, it's 793 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.960 not even that he's casting the wrong spells, and like 794 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.239 paladins don't have that many fucking options for healing spells anyway, 795 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:12.599 but like he just wasn't casting. And I mean I'm 796 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:17.280 not talking like, oh, you know, he'd go three to 797 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.519 four seconds between heels. No, no, no, this fucking can't. 798 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.320 Was literally just standing there doing nothing for like sometimes 799 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:31.360 like six eight, ten seconds, and I'm just watching your 800 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.840 health bars and you're all at fifty percent health and 801 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:42.400 I'm like, Okay, here's someone. He's someone heal someone, and 802 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:48.599 not a single bar moves for a very painfully long time. 803 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.760 And this wasn't like one window of time. This was 804 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.000 the whole what was it like a ninety second five 805 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:54.519 or something. 806 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:57.000 Yeah, I got look at the combat log. It's on 807 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.199 the way. So I'm like, I took seven heads from 808 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:00.000 the bathlow heel. 809 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.639 Yeah yeah, and like and so I just said, like, 810 00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:07.480 this motherfucker is literally not pressing a button. He's just 811 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.880 standing there. He's casting a holy light or a flash 812 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:15.920 heel once every eight to ten seconds. He was fucking useless. 813 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.000 And I went nuts are on him because I was 814 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:23.400 like it just stunk to me. Of like I said, 815 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.000 the guy that is just fucking watching netflicks during a dungeon, 816 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.480 Oh sorry did I miss a healing? Oh we wiped? 817 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.920 Oh well, you guys run back and reds meel just 818 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.960 keep watching this movie. And I was getting so eero. 819 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:39.639 I mean, obviously we don't know. Maybe the guy was 820 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:41.360 just bad, maybe he wasn't watching a movie. 821 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.199 But like when because he was like I can't heal this. 822 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.119 I'm like literally doing everything I can. I can't keep 823 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:47.840 you guys up, which is funny because like you were 824 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:49.639 watching like you're not healing. I don't know what you're doing. 825 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.519 Yeah, like he wasn't running out of manna. He had manna, 826 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:56.159 like just ah. It was so infuriating, and like, those 827 00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:58.320 are the players that I go ballistic on because this 828 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.599 is a game that literally just rewards you for doing anything. 829 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.719 Just just do anything, just press any fucking button, something 830 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.960 will happen. But healers who, as I said, the number 831 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:12.039 one pet peeve of mine is healers that wait until 832 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.599 you get low to heal you, which I think is 833 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.039 fucking dumb. And some of them go, look MP five 834 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.480 bro with some bullshit like that. It's not like Paladin's 835 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:21.199 cancel cast. 836 00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:23.800 Cancel cast. You start to heal and if it's he 837 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.119 doesn't need it, you cancel it. 838 00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:32.599 Yeah, but like he just fucking anyway. 839 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:38.719 I sorry, so I can't tell another funny story. There's 840 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.719 a wipe where this wipe piss me off because it 841 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.800 we pulled the pack and you know, we're fighting them, 842 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.760 and all of a sudden he backs up into another 843 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.519 pack and then pull the second one of like casts 844 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:58.320 and stuff, and literally just back pedals into it because 845 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:03.280 he wasn't paying attention. And after we wape, he goes, oh, sorry, 846 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.559 I got silenced, And I was like, well, you got 847 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.239 silence because by the second pack that you backpedaled them 848 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:11.760 to the fine. 849 00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:15.840 Before that to me, like, I can forgive that though, 850 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.360 like the healer's body pulling accidentally a second pack because 851 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.599 they're wandering around like a chicken with his head cut off. 852 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.719 Like yeah, it's not ideal, but whatever shit happens, Like 853 00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.559 you can heal through why mistakes like that? 854 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.320 You can't. He's not a druid. He can't cut, he 855 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:33.360 can't run cast like you have to stand and cast, 856 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:35.880 So there's no reason why he should be backpelling and 857 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.559 the pole you should be standing. 858 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.280 People get I get like I I understand that. I 859 00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:44.639 get fidgety in pools. If you watch me play, my 860 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.440 character is running around everywhere. I just I'm not the 861 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.400 guy that just stands still. I'm a fuck with that 862 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:57.960 moves around everywhere. So I sort of get that. 863 00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:56.960 That that one, that one puts me off. But anyway, 864 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.440 so the only reason we were able to kill the 865 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.480 last boss, I switched from my spell power up into 866 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.199 a trusty hand of the Odd, hand of Edward of 867 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.400 the Odd. Thanks to that AX will help me get 868 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.519 and uh, I basically self healed. I think I cast 869 00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.280 like probably four or five holy lights on myself during 870 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:14.440 well tanking. 871 00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.000 To yeah, keep myself thanking the last boss. 872 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:17.920 Yeah, I think, and I think the yeah, and I 873 00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:19.800 think the heal actually died on the last boss and 874 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:21.639 he did. He did four of us. I think it 875 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:23.519 was smoother once we just were like, he's not gonna heal, 876 00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.639 Like he's dead at can heali? So we picked It 877 00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:27.679 was almost like once he was dead, like everyone started 878 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.119 playing better because you know hm, and we got it down. 879 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.159 But it was it was a very long I think 880 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.400 a three hour like twelve white Strath on them run. 881 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:39.239 Yeah, I just I felt for you guys, But like 882 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.519 my head also went to, like, you know, the warrior 883 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.320 and the paladin that you were dealing with, and I know, 884 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.800 we all it's all easy, and it sounds very negative 885 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.159 to sit here and dunk on pugs and be like, oh, 886 00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.480 only the people in Countdown fucking know to how to 887 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.559 don't know how to play the game correctly. Like obviously 888 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:56.920 that's not the case. We're not fucking perfect players by 889 00:45:56.920 --> 00:46:01.159 any means, But like my mind goes to the kind 890 00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:04.199 of player that is level sixty at this point on 891 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.239 the server, Like we're four weeks into the server. You know, 892 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.840 if you've achieved level sixty by this stage, you are 893 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:16.559 a relatively dedicated player, and like you would just presume 894 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.199 that the kind of player that goes that hard getting 895 00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:24.719 a sixty up there within three to four weeks also 896 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.239 somewhat knows how to play the game. But it's just 897 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:31.360 like it's kind of the wow conundrum where like oftentimes, 898 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:34.320 in my opinion, the people that go hardest at the 899 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.159 game sometimes are some of the fucking bad players as well. 900 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:42.840 Can I jump in, well, yes, KOs please. 901 00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.559 I think you're you're touching on the you're touching on 902 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.320 this skill versus like difficulty or something. If you cast 903 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:56.280 your mind back to the rank fourteen discuss so many 904 00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.039 people just say you have a lot of time. It's 905 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.320 the same here. People with a lot of time they 906 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:03.280 can level, right, Like you don't need to be a 907 00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:06.039 good player to level right, right, So the people who 908 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.119 are sixty now are like good players who have a 909 00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.480 lot of time, bad players who have a lot of time, 910 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:13.239 and everything in between, right. 911 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:17.400 True, But what I'm getting at I had a good 912 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:18.679 discussion about this. 913 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.320 Sorry I was trying to remember. We had a good 914 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.519 discussion about this. Ubiquities myself and the last, I think 915 00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.840 the these type of people, these these are the pascifire 916 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.920 in mouth type of gamer. They don't give a fuck 917 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:34.280 about your time and they don't care about wasting it. 918 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.800 That's the overarching issue here. But when you're playing with these, 919 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.360 you know, heading the clouds, smoking a joint or whatever 920 00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:47.519 type of person they're, they're not considerate of them being 921 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.760 that they're not playing with a person, right, Like it's 922 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:52.840 just you're just a pot to them, Like they don't 923 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:54.280 give a ship that you have a life where you 924 00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.719 have time like ubiquities, came home from work, you wanted 925 00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:00.480 to do two dungeons and then go to walk the dog, right, 926 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.199 but this guy doesn't care about that, Like you're bigger, 927 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:06.159 This isn't the person to him. It's just it doesn't 928 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.960 factor into their mind. But their action is like has 929 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:15.519 an effect affect on somebody else's time and they just 930 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:16.000 don't care. 931 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.239 But in saying that, like I want to sort of 932 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.320 reinforce the listeners out there, Like I'm not I completely 933 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.760 agree with you our costs, but like I'm not suggesting 934 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:26.880 that every player I ever run a dungeon with has 935 00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:30.079 to be at the fucking cutting edge of performance. God no, 936 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:34.559 I don't give a shit if people are perfectly average 937 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.599 at the game, even below average. I like, I've never 938 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:39.760 been the guy that's like, oh, you know in a 939 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:41.360 version of the game where you can kick people from 940 00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:46.119 dungeons or kick this guy he's doing subpar DPS. No, 941 00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.239 I always reserve the kicks for the people who are 942 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.280 just not pressing their buttons. I'd be like, you're a 943 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.280 DPS player, We've been in here for ten minutes. You 944 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.039 are literally doing less damage than the healer. Get the 945 00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.599 fuck out of my dungeon, or like that, and that 946 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.920 that attitude of mind still carries over to this version 947 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:04.960 of the game where it's like, hey man, couldn't help it. 948 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.800 Notice you're the heeler, you're not casting heels. Hey man, 949 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:11.920 couldn't help it. Notice you're the fucking you know, arms warrior, 950 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:16.599 and you are you know, standing still for thirty seconds 951 00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:19.679 after every pack and joining the fight late and really 952 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.559 not doing anything. Like I just hate that kind of shit, 953 00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:26.880 And like, I don't expect peak performance. I just expect, 954 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:28.960 like you're saying, ar costs respect that you're playing with 955 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.960 other people and press a button or two. You know, 956 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:34.599 you know, you don't have to you don't have to 957 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:38.280 be the never wasted global guy. I'm that guy personally, 958 00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:40.719 but you don't have to be that guy. But just 959 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:44.880 you know, act like you're trying to a certain you know, extent. 960 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.559 No, I would agree, like if you're doing fine, you're 961 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.320 doing fine. If you're not, then you're wasting time. If 962 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:54.960 you're wasting time, then you can just fuck off and 963 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:56.199 do it to somebody else. 964 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.039 With And but these are the people also ar Coss. 965 00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.519 Sorry if I'm going to say it's one last point. 966 00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.079 You know, I mentioned last week on the podcast how 967 00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:06.239 people have accused me of, you know, oh having no chill. 968 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.400 Oh fuck you know, just chill out. Man, It's a game. 969 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.280 Why do you take it so seriously? And it's like, 970 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.920 is is this an argument of taking it too seriously? 971 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:14.800 I don't believe. 972 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:14.960 So. 973 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.000 I don't think it's much to ask of people to 974 00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:20.360 fucking like, hey, man, like semi, get your head in 975 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.320 the game. When you go to a five man dungeon, 976 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.559 fucking relaxed, bro, trying to watch a movie here, what 977 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:26.800 the fuck you care? Fuck? 978 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:27.559 Just chill out? 979 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.760 Like, I just don't have that attitude, am I. I'll 980 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.239 give you our costs. The principal Skinner quote and say, 981 00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:35.239 am I so out of touch? Or is it the 982 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:36.159 children who are wrong? 983 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.840 It's the children. It's your time, right, and it's it's 984 00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:42.519 up to you. How are you value your time? If 985 00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.280 you don't value your time, holy chill out, smoke a 986 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.760 fucking joint. Wait twenty minutes while this other person you know, 987 00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.800 of course, to the fucking bathroom or does whatever the 988 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.400 fuck they need to do. If you do value your time, 989 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.679 don't right, don't don't put up with these type of people. 990 00:50:57.719 --> 00:50:59.840 If you do well your time, m someone else. 991 00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:01.360 Is going to it. 992 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:04.239 I totally agree with dar crossing you, and I just 993 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.639 want to just make make it clear to listeners that 994 00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:11.000 I don't we're talking. We're not talking about people who 995 00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.719 are new to the game, who don't you know we're 996 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.920 don't you're looking to learn, Like I look like I 997 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.920 love if someone comes into dungeon never been to first 998 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:21.079 of all, I do it too. If I'm like, this 999 00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.119 is new content when I'm first, it doesn't I type 1000 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:27.360 out to the party, hey, like, I've never been this 1001 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.519 dungeon before. Please help me with mechanics, you know. And 1002 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:31.519 I and I would hope if someone's new to the game, 1003 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.639 you know, never been a dungeon, particular dungeon before. Just 1004 00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:36.840 say hey, you're new, and I if I've been there before, 1005 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.679 I'm happy to teach people happy or someone's be like, hey, 1006 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.800 I'm new at this roller class. Any tips are appreciated, 1007 00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.119 Like if you're new, just speak out. I've found that 1008 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.000 people are pretty generous. They'll help you. And certainly I 1009 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:51.840 don't view it as a waste of my time to 1010 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.719 help somebody who needs it. But going afk or just 1011 00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.719 not pressing your buttons because you're watching a movie on 1012 00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:00.920 the second screen, it's definitely I agree with our disrespectful 1013 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.239 to the other people in the party one. 1014 00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:06.679 And you need to be like if you if you're 1015 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:08.360 a new player, like you haven't done this thing before, 1016 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:10.239 you need to be honest with yourself as well. Right, 1017 00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:13.880 A lot of people don't. They don't want to ask 1018 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:17.039 for help because they think that they'll maybe that maybe 1019 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.360 some people will just remove them or whatever, or maybe 1020 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:21.559 you'll you'll run into that. But at least that's not 1021 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.760 the way that we are discussing this. If if you 1022 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.960 come into the dungeon, and we we discussed this before 1023 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.760 as well, and you haven't done played this specific role 1024 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:35.039 in this dungeon, like a hero or a tank. Just 1025 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.599 just be vocal about it. Just say it up front 1026 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.239 so that people know it, like before the run starts, 1027 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.960 and then you'll you'll be treated completely differently. 1028 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:48.360 All right, guys, let's move to thank you very much 1029 00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:52.719 for that regaling more of a tale of tragedy the lads. Sorry, 1030 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:56.280 does someone want to say something? Nope? 1031 00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:59.519 Okay, yeah, say not all of us, not all of 1032 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:03.000 us joy in the mouth players are in considerate. Yeah, 1033 00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.079 like that's the paint and weather brush. 1034 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.440 So not all of us joining what sorry say again 1035 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:09.880 I said. 1036 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:13.239 Not all of us joined in the mouth players are inconsiderate. 1037 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.119 Oh no, no, no, like you fuck. There are people that 1038 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.840 play drunk and people that play high that are fine. 1039 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.119 I don't care if you have a joint in a month, 1040 00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:23.559 But if you're a pacifo then. 1041 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:25.760 I don't know. 1042 00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.000 But just there's a different type of player that's come 1043 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:29.599 out of COVID. 1044 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:29.880 Right. 1045 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:33.239 They play at home while they're working on their IT 1046 00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:36.159 job or whatever. Right, and that's the problem. 1047 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.760 Right, So they're sitting there, you know, coding or responding 1048 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:41.960 to support tickets. 1049 00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:44.320 Or whatever they're doing and they're trying to play a 1050 00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:47.079 dungeon at the same time, and those are the people 1051 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:51.320 that are clicking the heel button every twenty five seconds instead. 1052 00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:52.519 Of every three. 1053 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.559 Yeah, so we've. 1054 00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:57.639 We've sort of bread it into them over the years 1055 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.440 after COVID that everyone's sort of like used. 1056 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:01.960 To doing something else at the same time. 1057 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:05.400 So I kind of think it's AS that have an 1058 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.880 insistence that. 1059 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.679 That someone's always switched on. We're on the in the 1060 00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:12.400 minority now. 1061 00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:15.079 A lot of people have had it that that's the 1062 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.840 new way playing after COVID. 1063 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:22.119 Maybe maybe I always go with AS. Look, there's plenty 1064 00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:25.800 of light content in this game that you can do solo. 1065 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.800 You can be airy fairy and float through the game 1066 00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.880 and do other things while doing the content. But for me, 1067 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.880 it'll always be the second you enter a party, and 1068 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.960 particularly the second you enter an instance, it's it's just 1069 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.519 two words, switch on. That's it. We're not asking much 1070 00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:45.320 to switch on and fucking have fun by all means 1071 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.960 have fun, laugh, joke, wipe. Who cares just be switched on? 1072 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.079 I don't know. I don't think it's asking too much, 1073 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.920 but we'll move on, guys, And I want to hear 1074 00:54:56.480 --> 00:55:00.239 does anyone else have any fun tales of triumph from 1075 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:04.400 the past week, any any sixty dings, any thirty dings, 1076 00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:05.960 anything fun that they're proud of. 1077 00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:12.400 I have two things, but it's not it's some things 1078 00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.840 I'm proud of. Well, it's odd things. 1079 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:16.440 Okay. 1080 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.559 So, first of all, I think I've. 1081 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:24.760 Encountered another arcoss T eight hundred robot from the future. 1082 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:31.039 Oh yeah, I think it's basically the same make year 1083 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:35.440 and model as well. So I was looking for a 1084 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:39.440 Dead Mines group and I got invited by a guy 1085 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.199 and I was like, yeah, sure, accepted it. Some invite 1086 00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:45.760 and he said he typed in party chat, like all right, 1087 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:47.119 so we just need two more people. 1088 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:51.000 And I was like, okay, so what do we need? 1089 00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:55.280 I asked him, to which he probably replied with two 1090 00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:55.840 more people? 1091 00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:01.079 Do I really have to elaborates here? 1092 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:09.639 Oh? No, they're breeding. They're breeding, says nothing wrong with that. 1093 00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:11.440 He clearly answered your question. 1094 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:16.079 Oh yeah, I hit it hit it answer. 1095 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:20.719 Yeah. Yeah. So that got me a little bit suspicious. 1096 00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:22.840 But he was a great guy who was good healer, 1097 00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.199 and we had a good time, very good. 1098 00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:29.840 This specifically making model is generally good people. 1099 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:30.480 Right yeah. 1100 00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:31.880 Uh. 1101 00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:35.679 The second the second point I was having was I 1102 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.519 did a an omer Gun run as well with. 1103 00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:42.480 A bunch of Russians, and. 1104 00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:48.719 Uh, it fucking irritates me so much when you know, 1105 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.119 you know the layout of Dungeon like I know omer Gun, 1106 00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.519 like I know the inside of my own apartment, I 1107 00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:58.519 know exactly where to go, I know exactly exactly where 1108 00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.960 all the bosses are, and still everyone is running around 1109 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:06.000 like a bunch of headless chickens and I'm trying to 1110 00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.320 tell them which way to go, and no, nobody's listening. 1111 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:17.360 Nobody, everyone, everyone always thinks they know it. Yeah, better 1112 00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:17.960 for sure. 1113 00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:24.480 Yeah, I don't know. I lost my ship. I totally 1114 00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:25.079 lost my ship. 1115 00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:31.880 All right, guys, I'll tell you what has let me 1116 00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:34.800 think of anything else in terms of being. 1117 00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.639 I think somewhat on theme the riveting conclusion of last 1118 00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:45.079 week's Kangaroo Court, because you have, like right after the episode, 1119 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:48.519 but right after the recording, we had a riveting. 1120 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:49.599 Conclusion we did. 1121 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.760 I'm glad you brought it up, and I was. I 1122 00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:54.840 was listening back to the episode and having a laugh 1123 00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:58.840 because he's Josh going like, not enough people are hard 1124 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.599 on these counts in you got to kick him out 1125 00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:03.679 and get the fuck rid of them and all that shit. 1126 00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:07.000 This guy has done done a great crime against the guild. 1127 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:10.280 We're fugging him off. But during the podcast, I was like, 1128 00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:13.320 his major crime was the lack of communication. Yes, the 1129 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:17.239 roaching out was unacceptable, but the major major crime was 1130 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:19.599 just a complete lack of communication. The guy never fucking 1131 00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:25.119 wrote back to anyone. So Schmeiek eventually made contact very 1132 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:28.639 soon after that last podcast recording, and we said, fuck, 1133 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:33.960 you can talk. What's the deal? And I tell you what, 1134 00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:39.079 his excuses, in my opinion, were pretty piss poor. We 1135 00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:43.000 got the I had a power outage and that's why 1136 00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:46.760 I disconnected from the dungeon. And then we said that's fine, 1137 00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.639 what about you not speaking to a single person in 1138 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.280 the guild who's been trying to whisper you. And he goes, 1139 00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.719 he said, I don't have a chat add on and 1140 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:58.880 I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? But there's 1141 00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:03.559 the worst excuse I've ever heard in my life. But 1142 00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:06.039 look he said he wrote in the discord and he 1143 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:11.039 was like, look, you know, my bad. I'm here now. 1144 00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.960 I'm sorry. You know, won't happen again. Can I just 1145 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.599 get back in the guild and We basically said, all right, 1146 00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:21.800 you're on super secret final not so super secret final probation, 1147 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:26.039 last chance, you're in, and we'll see what the legend 1148 00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:28.639 of Schmik does from here. And you know, maybe it's 1149 00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.239 me going a bit soft, but I said, my major 1150 00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:35.320 issue was the communication thing. He finally communicated, you know, 1151 00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.480 and it'll be if he's so much as farts in 1152 00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.159 our general direction from here, it'll be another g kick 1153 00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:44.119 and it'll be permanent. So that's the conclusion of the story. 1154 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:48.280 You also, you went, because there's somewhat on theme, you went, 1155 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:52.119 if you can explain why you roached out without saying anything, 1156 00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:56.119 without using the letter E in your response, I'll let 1157 00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:56.599 you back in. 1158 00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:05.639 Yes, drugs was the answer, and yeah I ran it 1159 01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:09.119 by the jury, and Marcus had a good laugh and said, 1160 01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:11.159 you know what, that's a fucking great answer. Let him 1161 01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:11.559 back in. 1162 01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:15.599 Yeah, look that was it was great. 1163 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:16.480 It won me over. 1164 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:20.519 Oh my god, he's here. Where did you fucking cidle 1165 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:21.880 in from? 1166 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.719 I just slid on in and like was just immediately 1167 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:28.639 captivated by Arcos and his truth bombs. 1168 01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.320 Fair enough? Did that all resonate with you, mate? 1169 01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:32.840 Yeah? 1170 01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:36.519 It did, usually does when it comes out of Arcos. 1171 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.760 Yeah you are. You do subscribe to the old Arcos newsletter, 1172 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:40.320 don't you? 1173 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:42.239 I do? I do? 1174 01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:43.159 Yeah? 1175 01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.079 Has a server gone down for anyone else? 1176 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:46.199 Yeah? 1177 01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:53.440 Yeah, okay, Oh fantastic, perfect time for podcasting. All right, Well, look, Marcus, 1178 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:55.880 do you have any tales of triumph for tragedy from 1179 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:57.719 the past seven days? 1180 01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.280 No, I haven't really been on too much in the 1181 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:07.039 past seven days. I've just made an old a hunter old, 1182 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:08.239 but I'm not in the guild. 1183 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:11.199 I'm kind of just hiding out fair enough. You've fallen 1184 01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:14.239 prey to the call of the Hunter like Arcos as well. 1185 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:18.920 Yeah, it's a pretty loud call and just right clicking 1186 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.079 stuff and havn't it fall over? Seems pretty good. 1187 01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:26.880 It's insane. How real to mode this class is? It's 1188 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:28.000 actually crazy. 1189 01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:30.800 Yeah, and that's kind of what I need. I need 1190 01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:32.360 a bit of a wheelchair mode at the moment. 1191 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:36.159 I don't. It's the last class I would ever associate 1192 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.320 with you Arcos. I'm kind of shocked. I saw you 1193 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.599 on one. 1194 01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:45.800 Yeah, I've I have a Hunter on Sorde. It's not 1195 01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:51.360 It's not my favorite class to play, but I just 1196 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:54.119 needed something while ife I'm rested on the Warrior. 1197 01:01:56.239 --> 01:02:01.679 So yeah, Hunter is very good. Now, boys says, I'm 1198 01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:06.280 trying to think of who else he has gotten up towards. Oh, 1199 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.360 here's what I'll do. I'll tell a little bit of 1200 01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:11.639 my story from my final steps of the leveling journey, 1201 01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:14.519 and then I would like to hear from any of 1202 01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:18.480 you that may have experienced the same thing. So basically 1203 01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:20.480 last week when we recorded the show, I think I 1204 01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.000 said I was like fifty two or fifty three or something, 1205 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:24.519 so I just had to sort of knock off the 1206 01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:31.719 last little bit. And you know, I was having Ubiquitous's 1207 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.360 recommendations ringing in my ear, going, oh mate, you know 1208 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.719 you've got to go to Winter Spring. It's my favorite 1209 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.199 fucking zone. Now. It was unreal, I believe. He also 1210 01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:45.400 shouted out we talked about Angro, I had pretty much done, 1211 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.559 and to be fair, when I talked about Angro last 1212 01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.239 week on the podcast, I was only halfway through the zone. 1213 01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.199 All the new stuff eventually did pop up for me, 1214 01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:56.920 and Angro was really fun. There is a lot of 1215 01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:59.559 new stuff there. Definitely go there and do it, clear 1216 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:02.800 it out. It was really well fleshed out. Sort of 1217 01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:08.280 massive props for what they did with Angorro. But then 1218 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:12.119 what I did was I headed Where did I go next? 1219 01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:15.440 I went to fuck. I can't remember. I need the 1220 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:18.639 map to look at. I did do Winter Spring. I 1221 01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.599 went to Winter Spring at fifty eight, thinking it would 1222 01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:24.320 carry me over all the way to sixty. But I 1223 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:27.440 actually only got like a level and a half out 1224 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:29.320 of Winter Spring, and then I'd pretty much done all 1225 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.960 the quest. So I think i'll call you be out 1226 01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.840 a little bit. I wasn't as impressed with Winter Spring 1227 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.199 as he was. I don't think they added that much 1228 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:41.360 new stuff. There is new stuff, don't get me wrong. Well, okay, 1229 01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:45.280 to be fair, there's one new area that's incredibly cool 1230 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.280 in Winter Spring. I really really like what they did 1231 01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:52.079 with it, but unfortunately they gave it fuck all quest 1232 01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:54.599 I think las Would I be correct in saying this? 1233 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:57.599 Like three quests in that new area they created. 1234 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:00.599 At least six? 1235 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:01.079 What? 1236 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:05.679 Okay, maybe I'm the problem. I didn't notice. 1237 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:06.880 Yeah, I was six there. 1238 01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:11.599 Okay, it was cool, going, you know, in the vaults 1239 01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:13.480 and everything. I went with you lads, and then I 1240 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:17.440 went on my own as well. Really really cool area. 1241 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:21.679 But uh, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm shocked here 1242 01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:23.280 there were six quests there. I really thought it was 1243 01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:25.440 less than that. But anyway, I felt like, I feel 1244 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:27.119 like still they could have done even more. 1245 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:30.960 Change got to you gotta follow up A yeah, I 1246 01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:31.159 don't know. 1247 01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:32.760 I just feel like they could have done even more 1248 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:37.079 with that zone. But anyway, outside of that area, I 1249 01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:39.679 didn't feel like Winter Spring had a lot. Look there's 1250 01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:42.280 a dwarf over near the yetties that has like four 1251 01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.480 or five quests for you now, and like, like we 1252 01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:48.960 sort of say this, in every zone post forty, you'll 1253 01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:52.400 probably find a dozen new quests, and you know sort 1254 01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:54.880 of think, oh, that's not that many, but it is 1255 01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:57.000 a fair bit like a doesnen new question for a 1256 01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:00.679 zone adds up over time. I went, I'm shocked that 1257 01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:03.880 now that I'm sixty, how many zones I skipped? I 1258 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:07.239 didn't even I didn't do a single quest in Fellwood. 1259 01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:10.519 I didn't do a single a single fucking quest in 1260 01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:15.039 Burning Steps. I completely skipped Burning Steps, Fellwood completely skipped 1261 01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:20.199 as Shara, that's three level fifty zones I completely skipped 1262 01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.920 and still easily dined sixty. Like you say that to 1263 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.280 any Vanilla player and they'll be like fucking what, Like 1264 01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:29.960 it's wild. It is absolutely wild, and like I do 1265 01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.679 have some form of regret that, like, oh, I didn't 1266 01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:35.880 get to see the new stuff in Burning Steps. They've 1267 01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:38.320 got this really cool new new questing hub that I 1268 01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:41.119 that I sort of actually, wait, I'm lying, I'm lying, 1269 01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:43.119 I'm lying. I did do Burning Steps, but not all 1270 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:45.719 of it, only only a few quests, only like the 1271 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.679 first half dozen. But you know, skipped whatever was in 1272 01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:52.719 fell Wood, skipped whatever was in a Shara a Shara. 1273 01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.599 I completely agreed with the guys. I went there. I 1274 01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:58.079 saw them like, it's great what they've built. But I 1275 01:05:58.079 --> 01:05:59.840 picked up all the quests and then I saw where 1276 01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:01.159 it was trying to send me and I was like, 1277 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.760 fuck this, I'm not doing that. I'm just not in 1278 01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:06.519 the mood for traveling all over the zone in a 1279 01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:12.880 very inefficient fashion. I'm leaving. But the wildest thing for 1280 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:18.719 me happened when I got to Sylicus and I was 1281 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:22.119 fifty nine and a half and I'm like, fuck, where 1282 01:06:22.159 --> 01:06:26.880 do I go for this last half level? And I 1283 01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.159 went to Sylicus thinking, oh, you know, I like Syllathus, 1284 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:34.360 Let's go do this and your zone in there and 1285 01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:38.599 it becomes a meat I don't want to ruin this, 1286 01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:43.679 so I'll keep myself very light and just say this 1287 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:48.639 ain't your daddy's syllathus like it has. I don't want 1288 01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:54.400 to say drastically changed, because how do I explain this. Okay, 1289 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.639 let's just say it's drastically changed. That's just let your 1290 01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:02.280 imagination run wild. I went to go and get my 1291 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:06.519 usual quests in Sylthus and was immediately shocked that that 1292 01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:09.239 was not the path I could follow, and that a 1293 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:14.239 completely new path opened up in Sylthus. And I was like, 1294 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:18.039 what the fuck do I do here? But I worked 1295 01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:21.199 it out and I did it, and I found a 1296 01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:24.039 group for the what is group content that you have 1297 01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:30.039 to do in Silthus? And I've got somewhat mixed feelings 1298 01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:33.239 on it. It was fun, but I'm not sure if 1299 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:37.960 I necessarily all the way agree with what they've done, 1300 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.559 because it does feel like it borrows from one of 1301 01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:45.360 the less popular additions to SOD that people have, you know, 1302 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.519 thrown under the bus over the life cycle of since 1303 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.320 it was introduced in SOD. So I don't want to 1304 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:54.079 say too much because I'd rather you guys just experience 1305 01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:55.760 it so you know what I'm talking about. It, and 1306 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:58.679 we won't spoil it. But Las, did you go to 1307 01:07:58.719 --> 01:07:59.519 Sylicus at all? 1308 01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:03.800 I did, And I can just say about Winner Spring, 1309 01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:04.800 I totally disagree with you. 1310 01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:07.159 I think Winner Spring is great, Okay, fair enough. 1311 01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:10.000 It was already it was already an amazing zone. It 1312 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.119 didn't need a lot more. But what they added they 1313 01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.079 changed that little dight undead knight of ze little area. 1314 01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:19.279 I think it's amazing for the small area that it is, 1315 01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:23.560 and I think two more quests there would have been overkilled. 1316 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:27.760 I think they used the space. Well, there's kill quests 1317 01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.880 for every type of mob. There's also another type of quest. 1318 01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:31.399 Yep. 1319 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:35.159 I won't spoil. There's some stuff with professions that tie 1320 01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:38.560 in with the last zone, the last little area that's 1321 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:43.319 like a little vaulta that is cool. I don't want 1322 01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:45.119 to spoil anythings. I'll just say I loved it, and 1323 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:48.239 I like the mob, designed the quest, designed the terrain, 1324 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:50.960 and I don't think they could have done much more 1325 01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:53.760 with it. I think the only it's not a criticism, 1326 01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:56.039 but you could say they could have done more more 1327 01:08:56.119 --> 01:08:59.960 quests in the northwest part of the zone. But there's 1328 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.880 already a quest there for your dungeon. Two set that 1329 01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:05.920 takes you there, so you know, I'm not going to 1330 01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:09.399 criticize it. Yeah, I did about a level there, but 1331 01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:11.840 it was efficient. Yeah, so I know you got a 1332 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:13.319 level the half I got about I got about a 1333 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:13.680 level there. 1334 01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:15.479 I think, well that that was the only odd part. 1335 01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:17.000 And don't get me wrong, I didn't have a bad 1336 01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:19.880 time in Winter Spring. I enjoyed it. But just you be, 1337 01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:21.960 you know how hyped it up a bit. And this 1338 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:23.640 comes back to the point we'll have to talk about 1339 01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:27.079 where are here? Ah here he is. 1340 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:31.319 Where just in time for your Winter Spring review, And 1341 01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:33.479 I'm questioning if you actually did the whole zone or not. 1342 01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:35.680 I did. I did. I did the whole I did 1343 01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:37.840 the whole fucking zone. But here's my own thing. I 1344 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:40.960 enjoyed Winter Spring. But what I'm saying is every other 1345 01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:44.439 zone gave me like two two and a half levels. 1346 01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:48.079 Winter Spring gave me like one point four. And I'm like, oh, 1347 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:51.159 like they didn't add that much. 1348 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.840 Here quality of quantity. 1349 01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:57.520 Yeah, And. 1350 01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:02.479 It's a little bit back and forth. Like you said, 1351 01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:04.960 there's the dwarf in the hut, there's the undead dude 1352 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:07.479 in the cave. There's the two guys over at their 1353 01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.439 other tent in the fucking mountains, and then there's the 1354 01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:17.319 whole night off area to the north, so there's I guess, yeah, 1355 01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:19.840 it's not it's not like it's an ongoing, but you. 1356 01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:22.119 Know what, I'm changing, you're swinging me. I'm changing my mind. 1357 01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:24.800 It was actually better than I realized. Like I said, 1358 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:28.439 my only criticism is like more my experience bar going Oh, 1359 01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:30.159 I did all this shit, and I thought my experience 1360 01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:32.359 bar would have gone up more, but it didn't. But 1361 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:34.680 I actually did do a lot of new quests and 1362 01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:37.399 I'm thinking back now to like the tour and truid 1363 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:40.520 that you help out the Yeah, look there is shitting 1364 01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:42.760 winter Spring. You're right, I'm probably being too harsh, And 1365 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:45.239 like I said, I had fun anyway, But that's that 1366 01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:46.560 I think. 1367 01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:50.159 I think it's overrated in Vanilla. That's why I'm gassing 1368 01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:53.880 it up here, because it's not. It's not the most 1369 01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:58.560 busy epoch zone. But winters Bring was shit before when 1370 01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:00.399 you actually think about it, you went there like six 1371 01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.000 quests in the error. Now you go there for like 1372 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.439 thirty questions, just only a level and a half. But 1373 01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:07.560 it's better than the half a level it used to give. 1374 01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:09.920 You this, This brings up a tangent that I actually 1375 01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:14.159 wanted to discuss while Arcos is still awake and lucid, 1376 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:16.600 And I'm glad you'll hear uv, because you know the 1377 01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:20.600 segway is ub did hype up Winter Spring a lot 1378 01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.239 on the show, and it got me really excited. And 1379 01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:26.159 maybe part of the problem with my perception of Winter 1380 01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:29.840 Spring was Ubiquitous's words hanging in the back of my head, going, oh, 1381 01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.079 this is just gonna this is his favorite zone in 1382 01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:35.159 the game. Now, I trust Ubiquitous, He's a fucking gamer. 1383 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.479 I'm going to love this. This is going to be sick, 1384 01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:40.880 and it ultimately ultimately fell just a little bit flat 1385 01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:43.359 of the expectations that I had, you know, conjured in 1386 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:48.239 my own head. Arcos raised a similar point, and I 1387 01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:51.000 think this is a really really fair thing to discuss, 1388 01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:55.279 where he goes like, you know, fucking hell, guys, I 1389 01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.640 did the Dead Minds, I did you know, whaling Cabins. 1390 01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:03.199 What fucking you guys on about like that? Yeah, okay, 1391 01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:07.680 it's new, it's different, but like you guys hyped it 1392 01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:13.319 up so much, it wasn't that fucking great. And even 1393 01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:16.680 though the vast majority of us are saying, No, Arcos, 1394 01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:19.760 You're wrong. It was amazing. I think it's fair to 1395 01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:23.279 for Arcos to say that the hype on the podcast 1396 01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:27.479 might be distorting people's views on Epoch, because if they 1397 01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.479 just went in blind, they might feel differently as opposed 1398 01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:33.800 to having us fuck withits fully pump everything up ar costs. 1399 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.159 I'll throw it to you, mate, and just let you 1400 01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:38.039 you know. We can shout you down for being a 1401 01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:40.319 fucking idiot any day of the week, but have your 1402 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:42.800 moment now and again give us your review of your 1403 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:44.680 whaling cabins and Deadminds experience. 1404 01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:46.680 Yeah. 1405 01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.520 Me, I'm pretty sure you asked people to pull out 1406 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.800 the pitsforks lust for me saying the. 1407 01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:56.079 Sounds sounds like something I would. 1408 01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.600 Say, I'm sitting you with mine right now. 1409 01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:05.880 So yeah, yikes, man, No, I think I think. I 1410 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:09.000 think what I said about the wedding Currents is absolutely 1411 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:15.520 true and fair. Mum hm, I understand completely where you're 1412 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:21.600 coming from with with your experience. Yeah, I don't know 1413 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:24.000 what the fucking Mariam, let's say like you were dumb 1414 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:24.640 to call me out. 1415 01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:30.560 Josh gonna expand on. I think I can add something here. Sure, 1416 01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:36.960 I think that Arcos is right in a way that 1417 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:40.880 it's from one perspective, it's not your content is not 1418 01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:44.600 anything special. Like the best content the game is the 1419 01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:47.800 original content the Blizzard made. What I enjoy about what 1420 01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:51.439 Epoch is. They just they're adding to it in a 1421 01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:56.319 way that seems like faith like faithful, faithful to Blizzard's 1422 01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:59.800 original work. They're not like reinventing the wheel. They're just 1423 01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:02.960 adding hubcaps to it, and it just makes over experience better. 1424 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:05.880 Like we all love the game that's wore playing classic, 1425 01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:09.439 you know, playing a classic version of it, But it's 1426 01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:12.800 adding sprinkles to and otherwise good ice cream. It's not 1427 01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:15.079 giving you a whole different flavors, just adding a top 1428 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:15.439 in to it. 1429 01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:21.199 I think I'll disagree just for willing currents, because I 1430 01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:25.279 enjoyed it the same small amount as I did twenty 1431 01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:30.479 years ago and every time since. But I can't comment 1432 01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:32.520 on like a lot of the higher level level stuff. 1433 01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:34.720 To be fair, though, can I just say. 1434 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:38.520 It's a shit level twenty dungeon. It was always shit 1435 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:41.079 except like the first, very very very first time you 1436 01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:45.159 did it, I've never enjoyed it. So like whatever change 1437 01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:49.119 they made wasn't really going to be wow for me. Well, 1438 01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:52.439 so maybe I am a really bad representative of this. 1439 01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:54.760 Well I was going to call you out on that 1440 01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:58.560 because I think to be fair, you know, I do, 1441 01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:01.000 I do personally I love like a son, but I 1442 01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:04.399 attribute a massive boy who cried wolf kind of you know, 1443 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.640 uh personality to you in terms of like you know, 1444 01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:12.840 and I've been critical of other people that we love 1445 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:15.000 in the guild of this very thing where I'm like, 1446 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:18.079 you know, when one hundred percent of the words that 1447 01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:21.039 come out of your mouth and negative, it's hard to 1448 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:25.000 attach much weight to complaints, like you know what I mean. 1449 01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:28.079 So when like you fucking and in guild chat, in 1450 01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:31.119 voice chat, you were just dunking on everything all the time, 1451 01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:33.840 like you never have a nice thing to say about anything. 1452 01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:37.800 So when you say that you hated whaling cabins, I 1453 01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:40.479 just dismissed the opinion because I'm like, well, fucking mate, 1454 01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:43.399 you hate you'd hate sex, you know what I mean? 1455 01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:49.359 Yeah, yeah, no, no, I get it. And I do 1456 01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:53.960 try to profess that I am. I'm not the customer 1457 01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:57.079 pads that this is made for. Right like this level 1458 01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:00.279 in Dungeon, I don't care like I would. I would 1459 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:03.640 be perfectly happy if they didn't touch any level in 1460 01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:07.479 dungeon like, that isn't the content that I'm here for, right, 1461 01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:11.560 So I'm I'm not going to be really well. I 1462 01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:13.560 won't say not because I haven't done like many of 1463 01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:16.800 the dungeons, but I'm not expecting to be wowed by 1464 01:16:16.920 --> 01:16:20.880 level in dungeons, and that isn't content that I'm looking for. 1465 01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:23.520 I still haven't done that much, right, I haven't done 1466 01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:26.920 as of k I haven't done Razo fund downs or 1467 01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:30.600 crawl right like, and I'm not intending to. So I 1468 01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:35.399 do preface my opinion here that I'm not the target 1469 01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:38.880 market for this, so, like my opinion really doesn't CARRYMNS 1470 01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:39.520 weight anyway. 1471 01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:40.800 Is that fair? 1472 01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:41.239 Now? 1473 01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:44.560 That's fair? And now, Vestige, I'm glad you fucking piped 1474 01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:47.000 out because I'll have a bone to pick with you 1475 01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:51.079 as well. Vestige, you want to say, are Josh, You're 1476 01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:53.880 toxically positive towards this server. All you ever do is 1477 01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:57.039 speak positivity towards it, and you're doing as much damage 1478 01:16:57.039 --> 01:16:59.520 as the person who cries wolf and always speaks negativity 1479 01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:02.439 about it. Obviously, I called you out recently for being 1480 01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:05.159 like the Camp of ArkOS and just being Captain negative 1481 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:09.319 all the time, I would disagree that I'm always positive. 1482 01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:12.439 I think the show has been like pretty forthright about Hey, 1483 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:15.399 this game is a buggy mess. I agree, there's fucking 1484 01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:18.760 bugs everywhere. Oh hey, like it sucks that this quest 1485 01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:21.920 was broken, or it sucks that this dungeon boss was buggy. 1486 01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:24.399 But you know, if you want to get upset that, 1487 01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:28.159 I don't give a fuck. That's that's something. But like, 1488 01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:30.239 I don't think it's also fair to say that when 1489 01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:35.279 we're painting Epoch, is this bastion of perfection and positivity. 1490 01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:40.039 No, but we've just gone from you saying that the 1491 01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:43.399 Winter Springs sucked thick and Gubecutus was a cunt to them, 1492 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:47.199 like thirty seconds going okay, I changed my opinion composed. 1493 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:51.880 Well, to be fair, that is so fucking hyperbolic that assessment. 1494 01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:55.720 I didn't say it sucked, Dick, I said I had fun, 1495 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:57.680 but I don't think it added as much as you've 1496 01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:01.159 made it out to eve anyway, Yeah, fucking read no, 1497 01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:03.800 no no, But also if people it's not the show 1498 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:05.800 where you can't criticize me, but like I think this 1499 01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:07.880 is we should probably lean in on this. No no, no, 1500 01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.920 like not so much you are costs, But like, Vestige, 1501 01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:14.520 are you here? You must be here, Vestige, let's go, mate, 1502 01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:16.319 don't don't be shy. And I can hear it in 1503 01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:17.840 your voice, So you're going to be like, oh, fuck, 1504 01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:19.359 how am I going to navigate calling this guy a 1505 01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:21.680 caunt on his own show? Don't don't feel like that, 1506 01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:28.239 but like I would never it is fair to be 1507 01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:33.560 like Josh, you know, are you selling a you know, 1508 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:37.840 when you sell people on epoch? Are we actively ignoring 1509 01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:40.319 the bad parts just in order to get people involved 1510 01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:45.640 when those bad parts do exist? I just you know me, Vestige, 1511 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:47.479 And I've explained this before to people where I'm like, 1512 01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:54.439 I don't subscribe to the average online gamer's mindset of 1513 01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:57.239 let's just dunk on everything all the time because that's 1514 01:18:57.239 --> 01:18:59.960 the fun way to be a gamer. Like, I think 1515 01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.880 that there is a backlash towards positivity and gaming in general. 1516 01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:07.119 And if you, if you are the kind of player 1517 01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:11.079 like me that abides a bug, then you're part of 1518 01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:13.399 the problem. Oh you're a fucking idiot, Like how can 1519 01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:15.880 you how can you say that you're okay with bugs? 1520 01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:17.840 Like you're not a gamer? Like gaming is supposed to 1521 01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:20.680 be fucking perfect and work well and all that stuff. 1522 01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:24.119 But like I just I'm having fun with this server, 1523 01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:28.960 and I'm being, you know, incredibly proud of professing the 1524 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:31.239 fun that I'm having with it, as opposed to focusing 1525 01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:35.239 on the negative, which does absolutely exist. Does that make sense? 1526 01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:41.880 It does, But at the same time, it really does 1527 01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:46.119 feel like a positivity is excessive sometimes. 1528 01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:47.720 Okay, tell me, give me examples. 1529 01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:52.800 Well, it's just the gushing of gushing of gush sheen. 1530 01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:54.720 It's like, okay, you just say, well, well, if you 1531 01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:56.760 guys run into a problem, just you know, read, just 1532 01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:58.760 go get another group or do something like this or 1533 01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:00.720 do whatever, just you know, so we run it, and 1534 01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:03.319 I'm like, okay, So for example, I had a BRD 1535 01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:07.239 the other night with a pug no gilties, and you 1536 01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:10.880 ran into the mage boss in the arena. Straight up. 1537 01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:17.119 He is broken, overtuned, busted, wipes us multiple times. Okay, 1538 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:20.359 that group falls apart. I now go get another group. 1539 01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:23.359 Run into the same mage boss in the arena. We 1540 01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:26.560 got unlucky with the draw. We again tried to kill 1541 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:30.520 the boss, kills us, wipes us because it's overtuned. Now 1542 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:33.640 you may say, well, just go get another group, go 1543 01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:36.000 do something else, go have fun else. Well, I just 1544 01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:39.119 spent an hour plus trying to run this thing when 1545 01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:41.640 I only had limited time to do it, and now 1546 01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:43.159 I didn't get anywhere with it. 1547 01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:45.479 Didn't you say you didn't you say you went in 1548 01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:46.239 there under leveled. 1549 01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:51.760 No, we went there appropriate level for that part. 1550 01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:55.520 No, no, no, no appropriate level historically appropriate level for APAUK 1551 01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:56.199 question mark. 1552 01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:01.119 Uh yeah, I would say once we got the once 1553 01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:03.319 I got to the third run, we actually got all 1554 01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:03.840 the way. 1555 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:04.760 To the seven. 1556 01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:07.199 It was with the same kind of level people. 1557 01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:10.560 But what you would level fifty two, right, I was 1558 01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:15.520 a fifty three. Fifty three okay, healing other groups are 1559 01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:17.399 clearing this boss, isn't that right? 1560 01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:21.199 The mage boss? 1561 01:21:21.319 --> 01:21:24.039 Yeah, the higher level people like fifty three. 1562 01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:25.479 That guy is bugged as fuck. 1563 01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:29.680 Yeah, no, sixties, I'm not disputing it. 1564 01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:34.439 Tunes easily kill the other boss of fifty three, only one. 1565 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:37.159 I would think it's bugged. Maybe it's overtuned. I have 1566 01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:38.039 me invested. 1567 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:42.039 We're very much commiserating over that boss in discord chat, 1568 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:45.359 and we could handle the rest of the arena bosses 1569 01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:48.520 at fifty two, no problem. That one particular boss is 1570 01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:49.439 just fucked. 1571 01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:51.319 Okay, No, problem. 1572 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:53.319 The next one we got the were wolf or whatever 1573 01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:55.560 and he died. Is I died pretty quickly? 1574 01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:59.119 It wasn't issue. What what I'm getting at these This 1575 01:21:59.159 --> 01:22:00.840 is going to be a bashing of heads between you 1576 01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:03.000 and me, Vestige, because as you say, it's it's the 1577 01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:06.279 clash of just fucking get over it, or you know, 1578 01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:09.920 is the game the problem where I'm like, but but 1579 01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:12.640 I am, and tell me if I'm wrong. I am 1580 01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:18.840 hearing reports that other groups can kill the boss. So 1581 01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.319 the first questions to pop up in my head are 1582 01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:25.359 accepting that this boss is overtuned. I agree with you. 1583 01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:28.239 Let it. Let's say it's one hundred percent overtuned. Lock 1584 01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:31.920 it in bang, that's you know, naughty Epoch, naughty. There's 1585 01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:34.680 absolutely bosses in this game that are overtuned that have 1586 01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:41.600 to be addressed. But if the boss is still defeatable 1587 01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:46.039 and you can just come back in a few levels 1588 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:50.199 and do it, what are we talking about? 1589 01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:54.079 So my main point is that let's say you're in 1590 01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:56.399 a group with the Pug and you're going to try 1591 01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:59.119 to kill this boss, and you encounter a boss that's 1592 01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.199 pretty much unkillable to your level. It's like one of 1593 01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:04.359 the first bosses you're encountering in BRD and it's unkillable. 1594 01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:05.479 Yeah, okay. 1595 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:09.880 Now, we again are gamers quote unquote, and we play 1596 01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:11.640 this game a lot. We talk about this game a lot. 1597 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:14.560 So if we're frustrated or whatever, we'll go do something else, 1598 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:16.560 or we'll just you know, chalk it up to whatever. 1599 01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:19.439 But let's say you're the average person coming to that. 1600 01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.119 Are you going to be having fun at that point? 1601 01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:23.520 Thinking? 1602 01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:29.600 But isn't isn't the answer? Literally? Just level high? You 1603 01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:30.520 overcome the. 1604 01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:35.600 Group together. I spent the time to go to this place, and. 1605 01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:40.520 You discovered and you discovered the faults, right, and the 1606 01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:43.000 fault has an answer, which is come back later. 1607 01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:47.239 That's not Do you want to come back to your 1608 01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:49.319 early fifties content at sixties? 1609 01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:52.720 But you want to do a full br DA run 1610 01:23:52.880 --> 01:23:55.359 like eventually? I mean, no, sorry, let's take this back. 1611 01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:57.960 You have to Let's say you're high level. You still 1612 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.359 want the items at the end of BRD. Do you 1613 01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:02.399 not still have to go through arena to get there 1614 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:07.159 or not? No, you can you can skip a bit. 1615 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:09.840 And I'm not saying you're gonna do the full BRD 1616 01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:12.000 at that level. We didn't plan to do that we 1617 01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:13.600 were just going to go far as we could go. 1618 01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:16.840 But the point is is that you've set the side 1619 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:19.239 of the time, you've gotten a quest together, you've gotten 1620 01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:22.079 a group together, you've traveled to the instance, you're planning 1621 01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:24.159 to send this much time to do this tonight, to 1622 01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:27.920 do this dungeon, okay, and you're encountering something that is 1623 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:30.399 stopping you from doing it. That is no fault of 1624 01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:32.800 your own. It is an overtuon or bug, whatever you 1625 01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:35.399 want to call it. There is a problem. That problem 1626 01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:39.640 should still be acknowledged as a problem, and the fact 1627 01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:43.079 that it still exists right now after some time. There 1628 01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:45.399 hasn't been a quick hot fix on it. There hasn't 1629 01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:48.920 been adjustment or whatever. And the only solution, in your opinion, 1630 01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:51.279 is to just go fucking do something else. 1631 01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:54.039 Yeah, it's always going it's always going to be my 1632 01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:57.359 solution because at the end of the day, the free 1633 01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:01.000 game that you're playing has alternate avenues for you to 1634 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:03.039 go and do other content. Now, but here's the thing, 1635 01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:05.960 I don't feel like we're putting enough stress on. I 1636 01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:09.479 am agreeing with you that this is bad, This should 1637 01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:13.159 be fixed. This absolutely, it's a shit bug. There's this 1638 01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:16.560 boss and the Salamander Boss are overtuned like that the 1639 01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:22.800 salamander bug is fucking annoying. But at a certain point 1640 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:26.319 you point back to me and say that my saying 1641 01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:29.039 go do other shit is unacceptable. 1642 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:35.640 It's not unacceptable. I'm just saying that you're discounting it, 1643 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.199 that that becomes the answer to anything that kind. 1644 01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:42.239 Of But am I discounting it by acknowledging that it shit? 1645 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.000 I'm not saying I'm not saying this is good good, 1646 01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:49.279 I'm glad that fucking boss hits like that. Oh I 1647 01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:51.520 think they've tuned it perfectly. Blah blah. I'm not saying 1648 01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:55.119 any of that. It is overtuned. It is shit. They 1649 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:57.680 are absolutely how they have a weird priority of bug 1650 01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:01.119 fixing on this server. There's this innocuate shit being fixed that, like, 1651 01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:04.199 wouldn't it take two seconds to change some lines of 1652 01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:07.079 code and just fix this boss? Completely agree? Why the 1653 01:26:07.119 --> 01:26:09.199 fuck aren't they on it? This is weird, guys, what's 1654 01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:12.760 going on? Do it? But I guess I don't categorize 1655 01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:17.560 this as game breaking, particularly within the context of a 1656 01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:23.960 free game. I thought the I hate tell me why 1657 01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:24.920 you hate the argument. 1658 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:27.960 I feel as if we're getting told that we glaze 1659 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.960 too much and don't scathe enough. But that's just a 1660 01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:35.119 personality thing. Like if you get cut off in traffic 1661 01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:37.720 and you call that guy a fucking can't fuck you, 1662 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:40.239 how'd you fucking cut me off? YadA yadayada, and I 1663 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:43.039 shrug it off. That's just a difference between you and I, 1664 01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:46.600 and there's no fault, there's no better than the other. 1665 01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:49.319 So that's just why I don't rip the game to shreds, 1666 01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:52.319 because I'm just not a fucking super negatively critical person. 1667 01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:54.840 And then other people are that other side. That's why 1668 01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:56.800 there's twenty of us in this discord to talk shit through. 1669 01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:00.760 So I understand, like someone can use saying that me 1670 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:02.960 and Josh glaze too much and we don't rip it 1671 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:05.359 to shit. I sit here and go fox. Some of 1672 01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:07.840 you guys are negative as shit. Eh. It's just that's 1673 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:11.399 the whole point of discourse about anything, right, So I 1674 01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:14.000 believe that's where this started from. That was the whole 1675 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:17.319 point of we don't seem to give it enough poo 1676 01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:21.560 poo reviews. But that's a personality thing, right, So I 1677 01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:23.239 just wanted to point that out. I feel like we're 1678 01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:26.920 getting told you should be more negative if you want, 1679 01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:30.239 and I mean we have been. We've said that something suck. 1680 01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:32.399 But if you want me to just be more animated 1681 01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:34.640 about how much they suck, I can do that. But 1682 01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:37.720 I just don't think it's that. I genuinely have not 1683 01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:41.800 found anything in this game other than other players ruining 1684 01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:44.640 my time that have made me go this sucks. I 1685 01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:45.920 don't want to play it right now. 1686 01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:50.640 We would think we talked about this. I don't vestige. 1687 01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:53.039 I don't want you to feel like you're being like 1688 01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:55.239 shouted down into submission. Like I still want you to 1689 01:27:55.479 --> 01:27:57.159 carry on, and I know, like you're a smart guy, 1690 01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:59.560 you'll make your point and not feel the need to 1691 01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:02.720 cow to you be and I are, But that's like 1692 01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:04.199 you'd be saying, that's the point of this show. There's 1693 01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:05.640 the reason there's fucking a thousand of us in this 1694 01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:07.720 voice channel, so people can say whatever the fuck they want. 1695 01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:09.319 But I don't want you to miss I don't want 1696 01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:12.199 people sorry, not you. I don't want listeners to misconstrue 1697 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:16.520 me pushing back vigorously on your point as for some 1698 01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:19.439 reason making people think they're not allowed to disagree with me. 1699 01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:22.479 That's not the fucking case at all, but as you 1700 01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:25.079 be saying, like we were just talking about actually before 1701 01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:29.439 we started recording again, my attitude towards like broken talents 1702 01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:32.560 where like Druids or or you know you vestige absolutely 1703 01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:35.880 with the priest the search of Light not working on 1704 01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:38.600 the healing aspect of the talent is that's fucked that shit. 1705 01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:40.199 That would be really annoying if I was trying to 1706 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:44.199 heal in dungeons, I completely agree. But my attitude towards 1707 01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:47.960 that is also not game breaking. I mean, if I 1708 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:50.800 were playing a priest, or playing a Druid, or playing 1709 01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:56.479 whatever class has the broken important talents, I personally am 1710 01:28:56.520 --> 01:28:59.880 not like firing up a podcast to go. These fucking 1711 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:02.840 idiots over at Epoch don't know what the fuck they're doing. 1712 01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:05.960 How could you dare have this fucking class not operating, 1713 01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:08.760 it's a joke. Get your shit together. You want to 1714 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:11.760 take our money on the shop, you fucking pieces as shit, 1715 01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:15.239 Get your game going. Like I just I don't care. 1716 01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:20.880 And I'm not saying the game is unplayable. If the 1717 01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:24.000 game was unplayable, I wouldn't be playing it. But what 1718 01:29:24.039 --> 01:29:27.199 I'm saying is there are legitimate things you can criticize 1719 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:30.159 and praise. Yeah, there's lots of things I praise on 1720 01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:32.159 this server. There's a lot of things I like about 1721 01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:36.319 this too, But I just from my opinion, and it's 1722 01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:42.680 my opinion. The glazing is very hard sometimes, and there 1723 01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:45.239 is legitimate things that could be talked about as concerns 1724 01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:48.520 or problems, Yeah, are brushed apart really quickly. 1725 01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:52.399 Yeah, But I'm just trying to say, it's like, what 1726 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:56.199 have I glazed that is actually broken? You know what 1727 01:29:56.279 --> 01:29:59.039 I mean? Like, let's just say we're criticizing a cake 1728 01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:02.760 and the is horrible and dry, but the icing is 1729 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.479 really good. I'm allowed to say that the icing is 1730 01:30:05.479 --> 01:30:09.119 good and I'm glazing the icing, But if we want 1731 01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:11.600 to talk about the cake, I'll say that it's dry. 1732 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:14.000 That's where I'm getting a bit confused about what the 1733 01:30:14.199 --> 01:30:17.680 point is. It's like, it's not like I've glazed the 1734 01:30:17.720 --> 01:30:21.000 living shit out of winter Spring and then you go 1735 01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:23.119 there and there's literally not a quest to do Like 1736 01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:25.359 that is where that would be wrong. But if I 1737 01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:28.279 say winter Spring is good because I think that it is, 1738 01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:31.560 and they're nothing's broken, all the quests work and I 1739 01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:33.720 like doing them, then I can say that it's good. 1740 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:37.399 I could understand the criticism of your over glazing. If 1741 01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:39.199 like I said, this zone is amazing and you go 1742 01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:41.680 there's literally not even a town like that, I could 1743 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:44.760 understand from that perspective. That's all I'm And again, it's 1744 01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:49.560 just it's it's personality when it comes to criticism about 1745 01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:53.960 things like we're not we're not getting paid to go 1746 01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:56.960 one for one debate class on this game, and stuff 1747 01:30:57.000 --> 01:30:59.039 like that. And like Josh, you're saying, there could be 1748 01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:01.760 I mean, and the Frost talent for Shatter is probably 1749 01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:05.239 still fucking broken, Like it doesn't even do anything. Another 1750 01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:08.520 version of me could sit here and say, don't play 1751 01:31:08.560 --> 01:31:12.359 Mage because this talent is broken. There's probably majors. There's 1752 01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:14.800 literally people in the discord that have said that, don't 1753 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:17.760 fucking play Mage because this talent is broken. I'm just 1754 01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:19.359 not the kind of person to say something like that. 1755 01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:22.800 I would say, play different spec and then they should 1756 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:26.800 patch it, like that's the criticism, the devs should fix it. Yeah, 1757 01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:30.640 it's just one of those things. I just I don't 1758 01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:35.680 understand saying that we're being overly positive about the things 1759 01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:37.239 that weren't being positive about. 1760 01:31:38.399 --> 01:31:40.159 That's all I just want to dive into. 1761 01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:41.840 If we want to talk shit things. We can talk 1762 01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:44.119 shit things and then I'll give scathing reviews. 1763 01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:46.920 I think it's fair to raise those as well, like Vestige. 1764 01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:50.159 Stop me if I'm extrapolating, but I feel like you're 1765 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:53.359 about to say before that you hate the argument of 1766 01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:58.439 this is a free server. You know, sheath your the 1767 01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:01.119 sharpness of your criticism because of the fact that it 1768 01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:03.680 is a free survey. Is that Is that something you 1769 01:32:03.680 --> 01:32:06.000 were gonna say? Or am I going wild on this? 1770 01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:06.359 Yeah? 1771 01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:09.039 I mean in general, yes, I hear that argument a 1772 01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:11.279 lot applied to everything with this, where it's like, well, 1773 01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:13.039 it's a free service, so you can't have any opinion 1774 01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:13.279 on it. 1775 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:15.960 Oh well, well, well that's that's massive hyperboles, like just 1776 01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:16.760 settle the fuck down. 1777 01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:18.800 No, I'm not saying you're saying that, but I hear 1778 01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:21.840 that a lot, right in general. Not saying you're saying that. 1779 01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:23.880 I'm just saying I hear that from people where that's 1780 01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:25.760 the instant way to shut you down, where you know, 1781 01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:27.479 well I have problems with this, or I wish they 1782 01:32:27.479 --> 01:32:29.319 could do this better. Well it's a free fucking server, 1783 01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:32.079 so deal with it or go get lost. I'm like, well, 1784 01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:35.520 that's not constructive, you know, to the situation here. If 1785 01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:38.479 you have a suggestion or an idea or a complaint, 1786 01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:41.119 you can bring that up within the context of, yes, 1787 01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:43.640 it is a service that is being done free with 1788 01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:46.600 the cash shop and all this other stuff. But you 1789 01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:49.560 can take it in that context and go with it. 1790 01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:53.159 But you know, I don't like that as the well 1791 01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:55.199 it's free, shut up and deal with it. Get what 1792 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:55.520 you like. 1793 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.399 No, I think there's a halfway point there where it's 1794 01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:03.560 like I'm saying, like, I agree that criticism is valid 1795 01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:07.600 in terms of like I've said, like, there are very 1796 01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:11.720 glaringly obvious things that in a world where they are 1797 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:15.079 and they are they are fixing bugs on an ongoing 1798 01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:17.159 daily basis on this server, and so in a world 1799 01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:21.159 where that work is being put in what is going 1800 01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:25.199 on with the triage system, where the priority isn't shifted 1801 01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:27.880 to the big ones, I completely agree, like that is 1802 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:31.079 super odd and worthy of criticism. But then I guess, 1803 01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:37.479 I guess it gets to a discussion about the level 1804 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:42.119 or severity of the criticism in like I say, within 1805 01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:46.199 the context of this being a free server, I don't 1806 01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:50.680 I agree it this being a free server does not 1807 01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:57.119 absolve them one hundred percent of criticism, but I do. 1808 01:33:57.239 --> 01:33:59.119 I guess it comes down to an argument between you 1809 01:33:59.159 --> 01:34:01.039 and I of whether or not you agree that it 1810 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:04.520 mitigates it. 1811 01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:09.479 It does to a point it would probably. 1812 01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:12.880 Make sorry keep on. 1813 01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:15.319 I was just thinking about, like a path of exile 1814 01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:19.399 is free, doesn't mean you are not allowed to complain 1815 01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:21.079 about bugs in paths of exile. 1816 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:24.479 Yep, that's a point. 1817 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:30.520 But basically, if if it was still under Project Epoch, 1818 01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:32.439 there was no ascension involved, it was still under the 1819 01:34:32.439 --> 01:34:35.000 Project EPOC team, I would probably give it a lot 1820 01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:39.720 more passing with the bug fixes because if they were 1821 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:42.800 a first time, small, smaller team blah blah blah. Now 1822 01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:46.680 that's under ascension, I'm kind of, I guess expecting more. 1823 01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:50.640 You know, it's a bigger team or or your company 1824 01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:53.119 you can call it, or whatever that's now taking this on. 1825 01:34:53.560 --> 01:34:55.720 I know they're trying to make something that they didn't 1826 01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:58.920 build work, and there's a lot involved in that, but 1827 01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:01.680 there are a lot of things that I've seen outstanding 1828 01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:05.640 that just haven't been addressed or fixed, which I'm surprised about. 1829 01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:08.359 So it makes me question is it not a priority? 1830 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:10.680 Do they not have the resources to put towards that, 1831 01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:14.600 or is there a fundamental problem that's underlining the system 1832 01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:16.920 that's causing this that needs to be addressed, and that's 1833 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:18.439 why they're trying to fix a bunch of them at 1834 01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:22.479 once by fixing the underlying problem. I don't know, and 1835 01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:25.279 alls I could do is wait and hope. And thankfully 1836 01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:26.960 none of them are game breaking. None of it's where 1837 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:29.119 I can't use my ability. None of it's where I'm 1838 01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:31.239 falling through the world or charging somebody if I was 1839 01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:33.399 a warrior or something like that, or not blinking through 1840 01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:36.239 walls and getting stuck in every object in the world. No, 1841 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:39.760 none of it's crazy like that. But at this day 1842 01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:43.600 and age, I think we do typically expect more, and 1843 01:35:44.319 --> 01:35:47.399 I am questioning, Okay, well, when are we going to 1844 01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:49.000 get that stuff? Because I don't feel we can go 1845 01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:51.239 on to the next phase of rating or anything or 1846 01:35:51.279 --> 01:35:53.039 into fading at all until we get a lot of 1847 01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:54.800 this stuff fixed, and I'd like to see a lot 1848 01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:55.920 more progress towards that. 1849 01:35:56.399 --> 01:35:59.399 I would book somewhat a we can't go forward, so 1850 01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:03.159 I go alcohol. I think you. 1851 01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:07.319 Said that they're probably working on someone to links. I 1852 01:36:07.359 --> 01:36:10.079 think that is actually true, because if you go to 1853 01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:17.520 the Ascension discord into the changelock for Epoch since since 1854 01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:21.920 the fifteenth or the sixteenth, they haven't posted any like 1855 01:36:22.079 --> 01:36:26.199 resolved bugs or changes. So that's like three full days 1856 01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:31.399 almost of no fixes to anything at least posted in 1857 01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:34.880 the changelock. But if you scroll like backwards in time, 1858 01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:40.079 they're fixing multiple things every day every day just since 1859 01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:42.520 they took over, right, but now we have three days 1860 01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:47.640 with nothing at least nothing posted, So that would indicate 1861 01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:49.760 to me at least that they are working on something large. 1862 01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:52.800 Right, Well, I think the biggest thing that we all 1863 01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:56.000 need to kind of you know, keep it in the 1864 01:36:56.039 --> 01:36:59.520 back of our mind. Also, I mean, we don't know 1865 01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:04.279 whether or not the Epoch devs, you know, even though 1866 01:37:04.279 --> 01:37:06.560 they did say, oh yep, we're done, we're abandoning this, 1867 01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:10.399 we're gonna you know, we're dropping the website, YadA, YadA. 1868 01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:14.199 I think the big thing we need to look at is. 1869 01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:17.520 How long is it going to take them to put 1870 01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:21.479 together a dedicated team for this, because I mean Ascension 1871 01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:26.600 has you know, Area fifty two, they have you know, 1872 01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:30.199 they have the free roll, you know, make everything that 1873 01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:34.760 you know, whatever you want. Then they have Grizzly Hills 1874 01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:38.039 they've got bronze beards, they've got conquests of Azrath, and 1875 01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:40.720 then this was and this was just kind of dropping 1876 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:46.319 their lap. Yeah, they did agree to help, but essentially 1877 01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:51.359 they simply just agreed to help with server space and 1878 01:37:51.560 --> 01:37:53.800 some of the networking type stuff. 1879 01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:59.680 So it's not the product. 1880 01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:01.079 What's that. 1881 01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:05.960 I think they agreed to acquire the product, not to 1882 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:08.399 just help with servers. I think that was just the 1883 01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:09.840 first they. 1884 01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:14.600 Agreed to take full control of the product when Epoch 1885 01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:20.039 about out completely. So when they got that, when they 1886 01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:22.640 got that season desist, when they got that season desist, 1887 01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:26.000 that's when Epoch was like, Nope, we're done. And then 1888 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:32.800 supposedly supposedly yes, but you know, maybe a lot of 1889 01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:36.520 it has to do with, you know, having to find 1890 01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:40.239 that other team because I mean they look, you go 1891 01:38:40.279 --> 01:38:43.199 to the Ascension website and just just take a long, 1892 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:47.479 hard look at everything that they're doing. And yes, there 1893 01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:50.199 are multiple teams and there's hundreds of people working on 1894 01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:55.079 this game. But you know, look how you look back 1895 01:38:55.239 --> 01:39:02.039 like Classic, you know, the original Classic team was for people, right, huh? 1896 01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:07.520 And what it takes like the original Classic team, like 1897 01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:14.279 when they started putting Classic back there was only Yeah, 1898 01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:17.359 like there was originally just like four people, you know, 1899 01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:19.239 and then when it got bigger and bigger, and the 1900 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:23.920 idea became more and more you know, rounded out, you know. 1901 01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:25.760 And then it became it did. 1902 01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:29.800 It became bigger, and Epoch obviously has a hell of 1903 01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:32.199 a following. I mean there was what nine thousand people 1904 01:39:32.199 --> 01:39:38.279 on it one time earlier. I mean, are are they 1905 01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:43.760 trying to protect their rights with as far as their 1906 01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:50.039 stuff with Bronze Beard? Is it gonna conflict with what 1907 01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:53.199 they're trying to do with their style classic Blass? So 1908 01:39:54.119 --> 01:40:00.439 obviously they're not gonna you know, dedicate that team to this, 1909 01:40:01.720 --> 01:40:03.960 so we kind of needed I think it'd be nice 1910 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:05.720 to just kind of take a step back and kind 1911 01:40:05.720 --> 01:40:09.520 of look, because we have heard, I don't know if 1912 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:11.359 it's been confirmed or not, but we have heard that 1913 01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:15.920 they do have Phase two ready already. 1914 01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:18.239 So but. 1915 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:23.159 You're going, you're right hearing. 1916 01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:27.079 That the that the team is gone, right, And I 1917 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:29.800 think if if we make that assumption that the Epoch 1918 01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:33.840 team is gone, that they are not part of development anymore, 1919 01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:37.840 then yeah, of course the Ascension dev team cont just 1920 01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:41.560 take a large project like this and on top of 1921 01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:43.680 the projects that they already have. But I don't think 1922 01:40:43.720 --> 01:40:46.159 we can assume just that the devs are just fucked up. 1923 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:50.920 Well, I think I think really though, I mean kind 1924 01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:55.600 of as as dedicated players like we all are, I 1925 01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:59.600 think maybe we should make that go ahead and make 1926 01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:04.359 that as some that maybe, you know, once they got 1927 01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:09.239 rid of it, maybe possibly essentially said Okay, well, if 1928 01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:11.039 you're going to do this and you're gonna do that, 1929 01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:13.960 then we don't want you. We want to bring in fresh, 1930 01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:14.960 fresh eyes on this. 1931 01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:20.159 It's a possibility. It's absolutely a possibility that they genuinely 1932 01:41:20.199 --> 01:41:23.520 were spooked enough by the legality of everything that they 1933 01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:26.119 just fucking no doubt. It's absolutely a possibility. 1934 01:41:27.279 --> 01:41:29.119 Yeah, to build a. 1935 01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:30.439 Whole new deliverer. 1936 01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:35.399 You're you're perfectly capable of creating an anonymous discord account 1937 01:41:35.439 --> 01:41:38.039 of the get up account to work on a private 1938 01:41:38.079 --> 01:41:40.760 for a project without being fund out. 1939 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:43.359 No. No, but that's what I'm saying. But but it's not 1940 01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:47.159 about it's not about probability, archass, it's about possibility, you 1941 01:41:47.159 --> 01:41:50.800 know what I mean. So, like, it's equally possible that 1942 01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:54.960 the epochs they have said, uh, yeah, fuck you, we're 1943 01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:56.640 just going to say we're leaving, but we're just going 1944 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:59.680 to keep working on the game and honors anonymously as 1945 01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:02.800 it is as possible that they were completely spurked and said, 1946 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:04.640 you know what, this is a bit too adult for us. 1947 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:08.479 We're leaving, of course. 1948 01:42:08.279 --> 01:42:10.199 Like, and we don't know any of the behind the 1949 01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:15.000 scenes information, right we can only speculate, but I would 1950 01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:20.159 think that there's in whichever agreement was made between the 1951 01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:22.680 Epoch team and the Ascension team, there's financial incentive for 1952 01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:26.000 them to stay. Like they will have invested a lot 1953 01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:29.680 of time and probably some of their own funds into 1954 01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:32.279 creating the project over the however many years it was 1955 01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:38.920 their own project. I don't think people with technical knowledge 1956 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:44.960 will run away from financial investment that they made because 1957 01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:48.079 they're afraid the FBI is, like, I don't know, have 1958 01:42:48.079 --> 01:42:51.279 a fucking key look around their computer or something. I 1959 01:42:51.319 --> 01:42:55.439 don't think that's realistic. But you know, this is super speculation, right, 1960 01:42:55.920 --> 01:42:56.239 I mean. 1961 01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:59.199 It's impossible to know, but from the player perspective, we 1962 01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:02.520 should work under the assumption that they're gone, whether however 1963 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:05.239 likely or unlikely. That is, because that's at least the 1964 01:43:05.239 --> 01:43:06.119 official stance. 1965 01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:11.119 I think that's a fine slums to take, right but 1966 01:43:11.399 --> 01:43:15.239 you know, I just think everything should be you know, 1967 01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:18.399 haven't uster it's it's complete speculations. 1968 01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:21.840 Yeah, but if you're a mom and dad and that 1969 01:43:22.039 --> 01:43:24.680 was your passion project to develop a pop right and 1970 01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:26.640 as soon as someone comes and knocks on your door 1971 01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:30.399 or send you an email saying, you know, says didn't desist, 1972 01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:33.239 you're going to stop, right because you've got other things 1973 01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:36.039 on the balls, are on the line with the whole family. 1974 01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:37.479 And yeah, but you had to know that was going 1975 01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:42.560 to happen, I mean even and get it of you 1976 01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:44.319 like you knew it was going to happen eventually. 1977 01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:46.840 You've been working on this for two years. Like you 1978 01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:50.119 can't do that with the assumption. That's like, no one. 1979 01:43:52.479 --> 01:43:55.359 Didn't the guys know they already already made the sale 1980 01:43:55.399 --> 01:43:57.399 and they got their bag and there was nothing really 1981 01:43:57.399 --> 01:43:58.479 more for them anyway. 1982 01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:02.000 Yeah, you know, and maybe they paid up there you're saying. 1983 01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:06.319 There, you get to another point, right, if they made 1984 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:11.439 a sale, if they sold the project to Ascension, then 1985 01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:15.600 it is upon Ascension to keep developers on. It doesn't 1986 01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:18.239 matter if it's the old developers or if it's new ones. 1987 01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:22.720 But the first assumption was that this project fell into 1988 01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:26.199 their laps and they don't have the dev team to 1989 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:30.279 pick it up. But if Ascension went into a contract 1990 01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:34.520 negotiation to buy a project, they wouldn't do that unless 1991 01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:36.680 they have developers to develop the project. 1992 01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:39.239 Yeah, and if you were selling up to me, you 1993 01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:42.199 would have a transition period where I'd still consult for 1994 01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:44.800 you and give you like of course roadmap and the 1995 01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:47.319 items that you needed to You would on board everyone 1996 01:44:47.359 --> 01:44:50.479 who's new, and you transition to a new team that 1997 01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:52.479 are going to develop. And so the new team are 1998 01:44:52.479 --> 01:44:55.119 developing and you're consulting for them. That's what the EPOP 1999 01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:56.880 team will do, just be consultants. 2000 01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:00.880 Or unless he really got spooked and changed his mind 2001 01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:02.079 and buggered off. 2002 01:45:03.680 --> 01:45:05.920 You can have we have no id, we have no idea. 2003 01:45:06.359 --> 01:45:10.680 You can easily have a consultation and discussion that is 2004 01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:12.000 completely hypothetical. 2005 01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:17.600 Right then, Well didn't didn't So after Nestalarius didn't, After 2006 01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:21.039 they got that seasoned assist and they shut down, didn't 2007 01:45:21.079 --> 01:45:25.880 they turn around and also make another They released. 2008 01:45:25.600 --> 01:45:29.359 They released the source code and we had Lights of 2009 01:45:29.479 --> 01:45:33.000 one and Lights of two which was based off the TB. 2010 01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:36.000 I don't think it's the same people. 2011 01:45:37.239 --> 01:45:41.520 MHM from our perspective at this point, does it. 2012 01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:45.960 Matter like, oh no, I'm having a blast. 2013 01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:49.159 Yeah, I mean I don't really. Personally, I don't care 2014 01:45:49.239 --> 01:45:51.840 either way as far as criticism of it goes, which 2015 01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:53.800 I think is super valid, and I often share a 2016 01:45:53.880 --> 01:45:56.039 lot of the criticism the Vestage has, at least in 2017 01:45:56.279 --> 01:45:59.079 our discord chat. I think the value of it from 2018 01:45:59.119 --> 01:46:03.079 my perspective is being able to like try and put 2019 01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:06.359 whatever influence we can towards the future Blizzard Classic Plus 2020 01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:09.640 and just trying to like it's worthwhile having the criticism 2021 01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:12.479 and airing the criticism so that mistakes that were made 2022 01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:16.680 on Epoch are not repeated in a future official Classic Plus. 2023 01:46:17.159 --> 01:46:19.239 You know when that well. 2024 01:46:19.359 --> 01:46:21.960 And don't get me wrong, I am very positive on 2025 01:46:22.119 --> 01:46:24.479 this server. There are some things on day done in 2026 01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:26.119 here that I absolutely love. 2027 01:46:26.199 --> 01:46:27.479 But no one. I don't want you to feel like 2028 01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:30.439 no one's forcing you to be like I know you 2029 01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:34.159 kind of noo say what I want to say. 2030 01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:40.319 I say what I'm wanting to help me damned but yeah, sorry, Josh, 2031 01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:42.000 the check didn't clear this week. So I'm going to 2032 01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:43.880 say what I want to say exactly exactly. 2033 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:47.000 I'll tell you what though, I got to kind of 2034 01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:49.640 reiterate back on what you know. Something Josh had said 2035 01:46:49.880 --> 01:46:53.720 in the last part was, you know, Blizzard turns around 2036 01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:59.199 and they make their classic plus if it's not anything 2037 01:46:59.359 --> 01:47:02.119 close to what we've been seeing, whether you're you've played 2038 01:47:02.159 --> 01:47:06.760 t Wow or Epoch or on Broad'sbeard or Conquest of 2039 01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:10.039 Asrath or anything like that, If Blizzard doesn't pull something 2040 01:47:10.079 --> 01:47:14.399 out of their hat, I'm fucking done. Like I can't 2041 01:47:14.520 --> 01:47:18.640 I completely uninstalled Battle dun It, like I can't even. 2042 01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:23.760 Can I just mention on that just this is relatively 2043 01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:26.720 tangential to and thank you so much for a brilliant 2044 01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:29.039 discussion there, guys, Like, by no means are we necessarily 2045 01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:32.079 done with that? That might carry on in future episodes, 2046 01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:33.840 And like, like I said, sorry, I don't mean to 2047 01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:36.880 sound like condescending, because that's not the message I'm trying 2048 01:47:36.920 --> 01:47:38.960 to send. But like when I say the vestige, like, 2049 01:47:39.439 --> 01:47:42.720 you know, don't feel compelled to say that, you know, oh, okay, 2050 01:47:42.760 --> 01:47:45.319 obligatory just for Josh, Yes, this server is fun, Like, 2051 01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:47.840 by no means does anyone feel the need to say that? 2052 01:47:48.039 --> 01:47:52.159 But on this tangent, we might come back to the 2053 01:47:52.279 --> 01:47:54.399 negative TDVDY thing in a second, because Like I said, 2054 01:47:54.439 --> 01:47:58.239 I think we're all agreeing that the criticisms are valid. 2055 01:47:58.439 --> 01:48:01.720 It's now just a forum or a debate on how 2056 01:48:01.880 --> 01:48:05.399 those criticisms, sorry, how the problems with the server make 2057 01:48:05.479 --> 01:48:08.239 you feel. But anyway, on this note about the Blizzard thing, 2058 01:48:09.279 --> 01:48:14.319 I've been wondering over the last few days, how I 2059 01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:18.880 will feel, and I genuinely don't know the answer at 2060 01:48:18.920 --> 01:48:22.800 this stage, how I will feel in the hypothetical world 2061 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:27.720 where Blizzard releases a fucking great Classic Plus. Let's just say, 2062 01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:31.239 just completely hypothetically, they knock it out of the park 2063 01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:34.159 ten out of ten. Oh my god, it's really good. 2064 01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:42.920 But it is still inundated with bots and gold selling 2065 01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:46.319 and all the bullshit with RMT, and none of that 2066 01:48:46.479 --> 01:48:49.760 has changed from what SOD was, from what Anniversary is. 2067 01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:54.279 All that shit, Your chat is still flooded with, you know, 2068 01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:59.239 all the same fucking things that you normally see, all 2069 01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:05.439 that shit. How would you feel about that Classic Plus product? 2070 01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:06.800 And would you still play it? 2071 01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:10.479 Absolutely not? 2072 01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:11.319 Hell? Now? 2073 01:49:12.520 --> 01:49:12.560 No? 2074 01:49:13.159 --> 01:49:13.279 Right? 2075 01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:15.600 So are we saying and because this is what I'm 2076 01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:19.560 leaning towards, are we saying It's not about the content anymore, 2077 01:49:19.800 --> 01:49:22.720 It's about the management. 2078 01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:25.079 The gameplay experience. 2079 01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:28.399 On epak just takes over from the no bots. 2080 01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:32.800 And no money. I'd still play. 2081 01:49:39.159 --> 01:49:43.239 When I made my Hunter last night, probably ten ten 2082 01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:47.479 spam names keyboard match names were just popping in with me. 2083 01:49:48.600 --> 01:49:53.359 It's a scale thing. They're managing three servers, two servers, 2084 01:49:55.279 --> 01:49:58.800 and they've got eyes on the problem, whereas Blizzard's got 2085 01:49:58.840 --> 01:50:02.560 to manage you know, fucking shiploads more servers, tens of 2086 01:50:02.640 --> 01:50:07.920 thousands of more people and way more creations of characters 2087 01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:12.279 and accounts like are doing a great job. 2088 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:17.479 It's just like to say there is no bots is yeah, 2089 01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:19.439 but they don't get far, like there's always going to 2090 01:50:19.439 --> 01:50:21.880 be a look before bot. But the thing is why 2091 01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:22.960 they don't get far. 2092 01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:29.000 Yeah, why they don't get far is because there's like 2093 01:50:29.560 --> 01:50:33.199 less to look at, Like it's a much smaller scale. 2094 01:50:33.600 --> 01:50:37.680 Ah, I would I strongly disagree. No, they're just people 2095 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:40.119 to actually yeah, like this, I understand. 2096 01:50:41.560 --> 01:50:48.039 Is that, but is that plausible, like isla people to 2097 01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:49.680 watch millions. 2098 01:50:49.319 --> 01:50:55.000 Of of Yes, I've said this facetiously multiple times. Blizzard 2099 01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:57.359 could fucking employ me to do it for free, and 2100 01:50:57.479 --> 01:51:00.399 I guarantee you I could single handedly just per bots 2101 01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:03.640 ll fucking day, like one man one GM man could 2102 01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:07.640 just purge classic of bots comfortably in an eight hour shift. 2103 01:51:07.640 --> 01:51:10.319 You could fuck off fifty thousand fucking bots pretty easily. 2104 01:51:11.319 --> 01:51:12.880 You could get a volunteer for us to do this 2105 01:51:12.960 --> 01:51:14.840 if they really want to solve the problem. That they 2106 01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:17.319 just don't really want to solve the problem because there 2107 01:51:17.359 --> 01:51:21.439 are different uh points of view with what they want. 2108 01:51:21.600 --> 01:51:24.640 Epoch wants to solve the bot problem right away because 2109 01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:26.840 bots are only going to hurt them. It's only going 2110 01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:28.680 to hurt the server. It's only going to hurt people's 2111 01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:32.600 impressions of it. Versus Blizzard. You're paying a sub feet, 2112 01:51:32.840 --> 01:51:35.239 so they're getting money from these bots being there. So 2113 01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:37.640 they want the maximum amount of bots that can be 2114 01:51:37.720 --> 01:51:41.680 allowed without damaging the server, and so that there are always. 2115 01:51:42.199 --> 01:51:45.920 Like five isn't worth you know, like it's not worth it, but. 2116 01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:49.880 It doesn't turn off one stuff doesn't do something about it. 2117 01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:55.319 I don't think they should do something different, for sure, 2118 01:51:55.720 --> 01:51:59.960 like they need to do more yep. But to say 2119 01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:03.319 that this server is perfect and that bots don't exist 2120 01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:04.640 is wrong. 2121 01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:08.720 I don't think the service, it's their policy is perfect 2122 01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:09.640 towards it. 2123 01:52:09.760 --> 01:52:12.000 I'm not sure that it is though, you know, like 2124 01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:14.479 it's like they still exist. If it was perfect, they 2125 01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:15.279 wouldn't even be longing? 2126 01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:18.079 Can I say, though, just on that Marcus, what like 2127 01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:21.199 this is such a silly thing to say, But how 2128 01:52:21.279 --> 01:52:24.760 do we deem perfection? Because like, there is an obvious 2129 01:52:24.840 --> 01:52:26.640 answer to that question. But what I'm getting at is 2130 01:52:27.159 --> 01:52:29.039 I am still I'm going to give you right now 2131 01:52:29.159 --> 01:52:34.079 my slash play, which is something very disgusting. Oh wait, 2132 01:52:34.119 --> 01:52:36.560 I'm on the wrong character. Let's say I'm at ten 2133 01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:39.039 days because I am a ten days slash play right 2134 01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:41.359 two hundred and forty two hundred and fifty hours on 2135 01:52:41.399 --> 01:52:46.439 this server. If through my journey through all the zones 2136 01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:49.079 and I'm back on an Olt now, I'm at level 2137 01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:52.479 nineteen on my Paladin going through Silver Pine, went through 2138 01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:54.039 most of the zones in the world on my one 2139 01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:56.359 to sixty journey on my Warlock over the last month. 2140 01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:00.640 If I've gone through that journey and I've seen one bot, 2141 01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:03.000 is it? 2142 01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:03.560 Is it? 2143 01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:08.319 I'm not incorrect for saying bots absolutely exist on this server, 2144 01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:11.920 but at what point? Is is it a semi disingenuous 2145 01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:16.279 point to make where they virtually don't exist? If you 2146 01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:16.880 know what I mean? 2147 01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:23.439 Yeah, I mean, like the fact that they do exist. 2148 01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:25.319 I mean, I'm pretty like black and white on it. 2149 01:53:25.439 --> 01:53:25.560 Man. 2150 01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:28.760 If they exist, they exist until they don't exist exist. 2151 01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:34.079 But what I'm getting out isn't incorrect, no, no, but. 2152 01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:37.199 That we're getting into the ultimate semantics argument here. But 2153 01:53:37.279 --> 01:53:41.239 what I'm saying is by you sort of stressing the point. Hey, guys, 2154 01:53:41.600 --> 01:53:44.920 don't say bots don't exist here when they absolutely do, 2155 01:53:45.239 --> 01:53:50.439 you are correct. But when we're talking about what percentage 2156 01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:53.640 of the overall population and how often are you encountering them, 2157 01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:57.880 at what point, even though they exist, are they still 2158 01:53:57.920 --> 01:53:58.880 a bit of a boogeyman? 2159 01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:05.000 I mean, as long as they're generating some sort of 2160 01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:09.199 money and offloading it before they can get banned. And yes, 2161 01:54:09.279 --> 01:54:11.479 it's a problem. And the one that I've seen in 2162 01:54:11.560 --> 01:54:15.520 thousand needles was like level thirty four, So that's made 2163 01:54:15.520 --> 01:54:18.399 a little bit of gold and pumped it into the economy. 2164 01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:20.159 But where they. 2165 01:54:20.159 --> 01:54:23.760 Differ here is they're really targeting the market as well. 2166 01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:28.319 I think that's a great initiative, banning people for buying gold. 2167 01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:28.800 It's great. 2168 01:54:30.680 --> 01:54:34.560 There's always going to be cheap, right, Yeah, there's always 2169 01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:38.840 going to be This feels a bit like saying there's 2170 01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:41.840 no knife crime and someone goes, well, one person did 2171 01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:44.439 get stabed fourteen years ago, so knife crime does exist, 2172 01:54:44.720 --> 01:54:47.520 and it's like, yeah, yeah, but you know not, there's 2173 01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:50.720 not nine stabbings a day like it's the impact of 2174 01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:54.560 the bots on here is almost zero, Like they have 2175 01:54:54.720 --> 01:54:58.239 zero point zero one percent impact on the fucking server 2176 01:54:58.439 --> 01:54:59.760 compared to until. 2177 01:55:00.159 --> 01:55:02.039 I mean, I get it, but I'm always going to 2178 01:55:02.119 --> 01:55:04.600 go I'm always going to be like, well they exist, 2179 01:55:04.760 --> 01:55:09.279 I see them, and until I don't see them or 2180 01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:12.279 shown that they just don't exist somehow, then I'll say 2181 01:55:12.319 --> 01:55:13.920 that they exist. I mean, there's no way to get 2182 01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:14.479 me away from that. 2183 01:55:14.680 --> 01:55:16.680 That's there. How many how many have you seen? I 2184 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:18.960 feel like an ask mate, how many have you seen? Now? 2185 01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:22.399 Well, it was probably three until last night when I 2186 01:55:22.439 --> 01:55:24.600 logged on, and I've seen ten come on while I 2187 01:55:24.760 --> 01:55:27.520 was just in that one area. So when they'll probably 2188 01:55:27.600 --> 01:55:29.760 just remove like straight away right. 2189 01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:32.319 If there was a. 2190 01:55:32.479 --> 01:55:34.800 GM there watching, they would have been deleted because there 2191 01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:37.319 was just like ten people with key mash names log 2192 01:55:37.399 --> 01:55:40.800 on almost instantly right at the same time. 2193 01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:42.079 I made my character. 2194 01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:45.800 And then I didn't really pay much mind to it. 2195 01:55:45.920 --> 01:55:47.920 But yeah, three others prior to that. 2196 01:55:49.479 --> 01:55:51.520 Let me let me pull us back, you've bet something 2197 01:55:51.640 --> 01:55:56.640 you said earlier, because this whole conversation is around I 2198 01:55:56.760 --> 01:55:59.680 want to get to the crux of how customers feel 2199 01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:02.920 in terms of Blizzard has just created the greatest fucking 2200 01:56:02.920 --> 01:56:06.239 Classic Plus server of all time, but it's riddled with 2201 01:56:06.359 --> 01:56:09.319 bots and r m T. Still you be, you said, 2202 01:56:09.600 --> 01:56:12.079 And I haven't given my answer because, like I said, 2203 01:56:12.159 --> 01:56:15.079 this is the the conundrum I'm having. I don't know 2204 01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:17.439 what my answer is. I think I know the answer, 2205 01:56:17.560 --> 01:56:20.920 but I'm not sold on myself yet. You said you'd 2206 01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:23.399 still check it out talk to us more about that. 2207 01:56:25.600 --> 01:56:29.439 I'd definitely play any official Classic Plus that they release 2208 01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:32.800 at least give it a try, and just being honest 2209 01:56:32.800 --> 01:56:36.119 with myself, i'd probably play it religiously like I have 2210 01:56:36.199 --> 01:56:38.279 all the other versions that have been riddled with bots anyway, 2211 01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:40.680 but I would just be annoyed by it, you know 2212 01:56:40.680 --> 01:56:44.199 what I mean. It's not it's kind of like I mean, 2213 01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:47.880 I'm just ripping really shit andnalergies this morning. But it's 2214 01:56:48.119 --> 01:56:50.399 kind of like, here we go. You had a nice 2215 01:56:50.520 --> 01:56:52.479 you had a nice piece of cake last year, and 2216 01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:54.000 then you're swearing yourself off or. 2217 01:56:54.079 --> 01:56:57.199 Cake forever because it's with you and what's going. 2218 01:56:57.039 --> 01:57:00.439 On with It's easy, it's easy. It's an easy reference. 2219 01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:02.399 But you know what I mean. It's like, sure, Epoch 2220 01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:05.439 is good and it would be nice if this was 2221 01:57:05.560 --> 01:57:08.920 upscaled and official, but like I can't not just play 2222 01:57:09.279 --> 01:57:13.880 Wow ever again because Epoch was my honey from summer's past. 2223 01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:16.399 Like yeah, yeah, that's fair, and. 2224 01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:23.079 Yeah, like I think it could be offset by the 2225 01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:26.800 capacity that an official launch would have, like ye in 2226 01:57:26.960 --> 01:57:29.319 my mind anyway, like the production of it and what 2227 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:31.520 they would be able to crank out and the quality 2228 01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:35.039 of it would offset at least the bot crisis a 2229 01:57:35.079 --> 01:57:37.800 little bit. But I mean, it feels horrible to say that, 2230 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:40.000 Like I wish there wouldn't be bots. This has been 2231 01:57:40.039 --> 01:57:43.359 so fun. It's fun that I'm fucking poor, and I 2232 01:57:43.479 --> 01:57:46.039 know that most other people are too, and fel cloth 2233 01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:48.399 costs for fucking gold right now, and a maybe killing 2234 01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:52.880 mobs to try and farm it. Knowing that at least 2235 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:55.920 this feels like honest work right now and there's not 2236 01:57:56.159 --> 01:57:58.520 just I'm not versing some guy that's swiped five hundred 2237 01:57:58.520 --> 01:58:02.800 gold this morning. So it would be nice if it existed. 2238 01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:05.159 I'm just kind of skeptical of the reality. Of it, 2239 01:58:05.279 --> 01:58:08.000 because at the end of the day, Epoch are banning 2240 01:58:08.079 --> 01:58:12.359 free accounts Blizzard of canceling subs, fraudulent credit card abuse 2241 01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:16.840 or otherwise them banning accounts cost them money, and I 2242 01:58:17.640 --> 01:58:22.439 don't personally believe they always give that reason that, oh, 2243 01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:25.560 if we ban accounts, we weren't actually getting money from 2244 01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:28.199 them anyway, because you know, it was a scam either 2245 01:58:28.199 --> 01:58:30.560 they use the credit card scam or some shit, and 2246 01:58:30.840 --> 01:58:32.560 they don't make money off it. I think that's a 2247 01:58:32.600 --> 01:58:34.920 load of fucking blowney. And they make millions of dollars 2248 01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:38.239 a year knowingly that there's a bunch of fucking bots 2249 01:58:38.279 --> 01:58:40.840 that pay for their sub well, not only that. 2250 01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:45.079 They would have to pay people to go after the bots. Yeah, yeah, 2251 01:58:45.199 --> 01:58:47.960 so they'd be paying money to take money away. 2252 01:58:48.680 --> 01:58:50.680 Yeah, that's what I mean. And that's where it's kind 2253 01:58:50.680 --> 01:58:52.800 of sad to know that that's just the reality of it, 2254 01:58:53.359 --> 01:58:55.600 and they're probably not going to budge on it. But yeah, 2255 01:58:55.680 --> 01:59:00.880 I still would play They're shitty, bot riddled but good 2256 01:59:01.039 --> 01:59:01.800 classic plus. 2257 01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:07.000 Yeah, I mean every other iteration of like Blizzard servers 2258 01:59:07.079 --> 01:59:10.520 had bots, that hasn't keep kept me from playing them. 2259 01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:14.640 Like it sucks, Yeah, it sucks, Like they fuck up 2260 01:59:14.680 --> 01:59:15.319 the economy. 2261 01:59:15.399 --> 01:59:17.600 But but still like I played Rath, I had fun, 2262 01:59:17.680 --> 01:59:20.199 I played TBC had fun, I played twenty nineteen Classic, 2263 01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:23.039 I had fun. And there's gonna be but I'm sorry 2264 01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:25.199 to say, but there's gonna be bots in a Classic Plus. 2265 01:59:25.399 --> 01:59:27.880 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And and you're right, there's no right 2266 01:59:27.960 --> 01:59:30.560 or wrong answer here. I'm genuinely just feeling out people's 2267 01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:31.439 thoughts and feelings. 2268 01:59:33.880 --> 01:59:35.119 Well, I think I. 2269 01:59:35.159 --> 01:59:38.479 Might be a somewhat interesting test case in that I've 2270 01:59:38.680 --> 01:59:44.239 absolutely played every single iteration, but how much I've played 2271 01:59:44.279 --> 01:59:46.960 each iteration has varied. I think like if a Classic 2272 01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:49.039 Plus were to come out, all one hundred percent try it. 2273 01:59:49.199 --> 01:59:52.439 But the question isn't like will I sub Initially it's 2274 01:59:52.880 --> 01:59:54.079 will they get me for a month? 2275 01:59:54.159 --> 01:59:55.399 Will they get me for three months? 2276 01:59:55.479 --> 01:59:56.520 Will they get me for a year. 2277 01:59:57.239 --> 01:59:59.600 They haven't gotten me for a year yet, you know, 2278 01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:06.000 they've me for maybe six months, maybe around Wrath, just 2279 02:00:06.079 --> 02:00:08.800 because at that point the bots kind of didn't matter 2280 02:00:09.199 --> 02:00:12.720 at as much at that point because you know the 2281 02:00:13.079 --> 02:00:19.439 damage was done. And I just think, you know, it's 2282 02:00:19.479 --> 02:00:23.000 a question of you know, most of these things, realistically 2283 02:00:23.039 --> 02:00:26.199 they're relying on on on whales, right, like it's one 2284 02:00:26.199 --> 02:00:28.600 of those things that follows like that twenty eighty rule, right, 2285 02:00:28.640 --> 02:00:31.079 where like twenty percent are going to spend eighty percent 2286 02:00:31.479 --> 02:00:34.359 on you know, on their cash. 2287 02:00:34.159 --> 02:00:34.800 Oops or whatever. 2288 02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:39.800 But is it possible that they can expand their user 2289 02:00:39.920 --> 02:00:44.439 base enough that it's worth cracking down on the short 2290 02:00:44.560 --> 02:00:47.960 term gains that happens when you have all these bots, 2291 02:00:48.479 --> 02:00:51.760 so that they have somebody like me not on sub 2292 02:00:51.840 --> 02:00:56.560 after the two or three month point, which is you know, 2293 02:00:56.880 --> 02:00:59.479 generally what's happened with me at least, or maybe I'll 2294 02:00:59.479 --> 02:01:02.279 come back a little bit and then on sub again. 2295 02:01:02.479 --> 02:01:05.880 But you know, you mentioned, Josh, I believe a previous 2296 02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:09.520 episode that you had been subbed the entire time up 2297 02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:11.159 until just depawk now. 2298 02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:14.840 Yeah, Like that's just not my experience at all personally, Right. 2299 02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:18.760 I've very much been the three months now, I'm done now, 2300 02:01:19.159 --> 02:01:22.119 And so it's I don't know how many people there 2301 02:01:22.159 --> 02:01:25.640 are like me that come for three months go oh right, 2302 02:01:25.800 --> 02:01:28.399 this is why I'm not doing this, and then unsub 2303 02:01:28.920 --> 02:01:31.479 and if they're if it's possible to get people like 2304 02:01:31.600 --> 02:01:33.439 me to go like no, I want to do this 2305 02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:37.159 for years continuously. Yeah, I don't know if that math 2306 02:01:37.239 --> 02:01:40.239 works out for them, But that would be that would 2307 02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:41.840 be the hope, right, that there would be. 2308 02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:45.279 Enough players that while they get addicted, they're not so 2309 02:01:45.479 --> 02:01:48.680 addicted that they don't have enough self respect to go 2310 02:01:48.840 --> 02:01:50.640 like now I'm going to do something else all my time, 2311 02:01:51.079 --> 02:01:54.119 and that they make a product so good that you know, 2312 02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:56.960 people go, you know, actually, this is a good. 2313 02:01:56.880 --> 02:01:58.479 Use of my time, and I'm going to keep doing 2314 02:01:58.560 --> 02:01:59.439 this at nauseum. 2315 02:02:02.159 --> 02:02:06.119 Have you guys watched the YouTube video on how wow 2316 02:02:06.199 --> 02:02:07.279 bots actually. 2317 02:02:07.079 --> 02:02:08.520 Work and how they do it? 2318 02:02:11.479 --> 02:02:13.439 No, I've seen some videos about. 2319 02:02:13.239 --> 02:02:18.359 It, yeah, because yes, Basically, like there's this guy from 2320 02:02:18.439 --> 02:02:22.159 Sweden who was running six bots on a EU server 2321 02:02:22.560 --> 02:02:27.920 I think, and he basically explained how these big bots 2322 02:02:28.119 --> 02:02:32.680 companies do it with their software. And basically when Blizzard, 2323 02:02:33.680 --> 02:02:38.359 when Blizzard Software finds a specific bot and bands, then 2324 02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:40.119 they ban all of those bots. 2325 02:02:40.359 --> 02:02:40.880 But then. 2326 02:02:42.359 --> 02:02:47.600 This big corporation just makes another software, like a different one, 2327 02:02:48.800 --> 02:02:52.119 puts that out in the game, so they basically never 2328 02:02:52.199 --> 02:02:53.239 get rid of all the bots. 2329 02:02:53.279 --> 02:02:54.560 They just replace the software. 2330 02:02:57.520 --> 02:03:02.720 Yeah, stress every time they do a bundle with that 2331 02:03:03.119 --> 02:03:06.720 just and they just come back because they they're not 2332 02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:10.039 tying like a credit card in the name of the 2333 02:03:10.119 --> 02:03:12.359 owner of the bot and that networks all the desert 2334 02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:15.920 can like just ban that credit card or the pietres right, 2335 02:03:16.159 --> 02:03:20.000 it's all just VP to ship and the USON prepared 2336 02:03:20.159 --> 02:03:26.159 or whatever it for game time. So it's that's theress. 2337 02:03:28.079 --> 02:03:33.159 So I understand the whole arms race detection software versus 2338 02:03:33.159 --> 02:03:36.600 each other bullshit, which I personally think is a load 2339 02:03:36.600 --> 02:03:42.319 of fucking bologna again, because I don't. It's just frustrating. 2340 02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:45.039 Where if it's a very good bot and it is 2341 02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:48.079 very hard to detect fair play, but when I see 2342 02:03:48.119 --> 02:03:51.399 the same fucking hunter in Selthus for nine fucking months 2343 02:03:51.720 --> 02:03:55.119 walking through fucking walls, that's not a detection fucking problem. 2344 02:03:55.399 --> 02:03:57.840 That's just to get some fucking human eyeballs on your 2345 02:03:57.880 --> 02:04:01.159 server and your game and your product, and go, gee whiz, 2346 02:04:01.640 --> 02:04:04.520 this rogue has been walking underneath the fucking zone for 2347 02:04:04.640 --> 02:04:07.640 six months. Maybe he should get banned. Like that's that. 2348 02:04:10.319 --> 02:04:12.520 I had one of these and fellow with on like 2349 02:04:12.600 --> 02:04:15.079 at that server right, like we were the only alliance 2350 02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:17.000 killed rating on the server, and that was hurting and 2351 02:04:17.279 --> 02:04:19.720 fellow with and there's this or bolt running up and 2352 02:04:19.800 --> 02:04:22.159 done against me, and I reported him, I think a 2353 02:04:22.239 --> 02:04:24.720 week or two later, I got an in game medal. 2354 02:04:24.920 --> 02:04:27.800 Thanks for the report. But then two weeks later the 2355 02:04:28.079 --> 02:04:29.720 bot was back there, like the same one with the 2356 02:04:29.760 --> 02:04:33.319 same name. Like it's it's so fucked it's it's insane. 2357 02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:37.960 I just it's I mean, I'm just being silly, But 2358 02:04:38.680 --> 02:04:41.800 I couldn't imagine working at Blizzard and it's like Friday 2359 02:04:41.920 --> 02:04:45.199 knockoff and you go, you know what, lads, I'll bring 2360 02:04:45.239 --> 02:04:47.359 a six pack and let's all just fly around and 2361 02:04:47.439 --> 02:04:49.720 band comes for an hour while we have tinnys. Like 2362 02:04:49.840 --> 02:04:51.880 I can't imagine that, not like it would almost be fun. 2363 02:04:51.920 --> 02:04:55.239 Imagine being a dev going, yeah, let's take the band 2364 02:04:55.319 --> 02:04:57.920 hammer out of its glass case and just go for 2365 02:04:58.000 --> 02:05:01.239 a peruse and fly around. And I just don't understand 2366 02:05:01.319 --> 02:05:03.840 why that's not just a more common thing. It's like, 2367 02:05:04.279 --> 02:05:07.520 I don't know if they've overcorped themselves where it's like 2368 02:05:07.760 --> 02:05:10.520 out of their jurisdiction as a dev developer to even 2369 02:05:10.560 --> 02:05:12.760 be allowed to do that crap. But I just, for 2370 02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:14.439 the life of me, I don't know how it's not 2371 02:05:14.560 --> 02:05:17.960 even tempting for to say, like Tim, to be like, oh, 2372 02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:19.960 this would be funny, let's just go on a purge. 2373 02:05:23.199 --> 02:05:26.079 Thanks for the timorright man, thanks Arcos, appreciate it. Boys. 2374 02:05:26.119 --> 02:05:29.359 We'll take a turn here, We'll try and thank you 2375 02:05:29.439 --> 02:05:31.239 so much for what has been a good, sort of 2376 02:05:31.279 --> 02:05:33.720 heavy part of the podcast. Well might take a turn 2377 02:05:33.800 --> 02:05:35.760 back towards the light now, Yubi, while I've got your 2378 02:05:35.800 --> 02:05:39.319 mate you missed. Lazarus did a great job trying to 2379 02:05:39.399 --> 02:05:43.640 do the retelling of your fabled Strathholme run last night. 2380 02:05:44.359 --> 02:05:47.920 Sorry two nights ago, I should say you wouldn't have 2381 02:05:47.960 --> 02:05:50.359 heard it. But is there anything that you feel like 2382 02:05:50.680 --> 02:05:52.800 real quick? Don't retell the whole thing, but anything that 2383 02:05:53.000 --> 02:05:55.359 must be said that you want to chime in for 2384 02:05:55.439 --> 02:05:59.920 your two cents on it? Where where we're leaving name 2385 02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:00.439 out of it. 2386 02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:04.439 By the way, I'm still trying to process the trauma 2387 02:06:04.479 --> 02:06:07.079 and don't wish to elaborate on the events at this time. 2388 02:06:07.520 --> 02:06:09.840 How damn it? How damaged were you? Tell us some 2389 02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:12.239 of the things you were saying in discord, Arcos said 2390 02:06:12.239 --> 02:06:13.319 you were fucking hilarious. 2391 02:06:14.960 --> 02:06:19.159 Oh, warriors got bashed. I might have generalized that their 2392 02:06:19.359 --> 02:06:21.920 entire class are brain dead and this is just what 2393 02:06:22.039 --> 02:06:25.399 they fucking are like, and curse the entire class out, 2394 02:06:25.439 --> 02:06:27.720 and then Holy Pally's copped it there on the band list, 2395 02:06:28.840 --> 02:06:30.520 try and DM me and tell me you'll heal me 2396 02:06:30.520 --> 02:06:31.760 my run to prove me wrong. 2397 02:06:31.760 --> 02:06:34.239 No, no, I'm gonna heal you in the dead minds 2398 02:06:34.239 --> 02:06:35.520 this weekend and prove you wrong. 2399 02:06:37.439 --> 02:06:43.319 Well, no you can, yeah, I just Holy Pally's in 2400 02:06:43.439 --> 02:06:47.520 the bin or in the gulag gone DPS warriors. Turns 2401 02:06:47.560 --> 02:06:50.680 out that they're hunters and warriors all still brain dead. 2402 02:06:51.960 --> 02:06:54.000 But yeah, that's why I was late this morning. I'd 2403 02:06:54.039 --> 02:06:57.439 put myself in a self induced coma to get over 2404 02:06:57.600 --> 02:06:58.119 what happened. 2405 02:07:01.039 --> 02:07:06.079 Mates the look, I mean to be fair, I said 2406 02:07:06.119 --> 02:07:10.520 to Lazarus, like, I don't know necessarily that this guy 2407 02:07:11.399 --> 02:07:14.199 should bring down the whole class with him, Like your 2408 02:07:14.279 --> 02:07:17.479 heeler just literally wasn't pressing his buttons versus it being 2409 02:07:17.520 --> 02:07:18.760 a Holy Paladine issue. 2410 02:07:20.000 --> 02:07:23.479 Oh yeah, I'm being silly, Holy pals in the bin. 2411 02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:28.520 In the bin, all right, all right, it's. 2412 02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:30.039 The other one. 2413 02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:32.600 Prove me wrong, prove you wrong. 2414 02:07:33.479 --> 02:07:36.800 Good, No, old level one you well you've got a 2415 02:07:36.840 --> 02:07:40.840 warrior old now you're you've been intrigued by warrior tanking 2416 02:07:40.960 --> 02:07:42.600 this whole time. So are you going to go through 2417 02:07:42.680 --> 02:07:43.159 with it or what? 2418 02:07:44.760 --> 02:07:44.920 Yeah? 2419 02:07:45.000 --> 02:07:48.039 Yeah, I intend to level him up. I'm just farming. 2420 02:07:48.760 --> 02:07:50.319 I want to farm one hundred gold on my age. 2421 02:07:50.359 --> 02:07:51.760 I can give him dual spec so that I can 2422 02:07:52.079 --> 02:07:54.479 like do the leveling experience properly and switch to prop 2423 02:07:54.560 --> 02:07:56.680 for dungeons and stuff, because I do want to try it. 2424 02:07:56.760 --> 02:08:01.159 I've had I it is the Yeah, I had a 2425 02:08:01.239 --> 02:08:03.760 warrior tank in a scollar a week ago and I 2426 02:08:03.880 --> 02:08:06.439 still think about him twice a day. He was that 2427 02:08:06.600 --> 02:08:09.640 fucking fantastic and all the rest of them have been dogshit. 2428 02:08:09.760 --> 02:08:12.319 So like, I don't know if he's just the best 2429 02:08:12.359 --> 02:08:14.600 warrior on the server or not, but that was a 2430 02:08:14.920 --> 02:08:18.119 dreamy run and I'm just wondering why the rest can't 2431 02:08:18.159 --> 02:08:20.560 do it or what. So I need to go find 2432 02:08:20.600 --> 02:08:21.359 out for myself. 2433 02:08:23.359 --> 02:08:26.479 All right, is there, guys? Should we Does anyone have 2434 02:08:26.600 --> 02:08:29.279 stories for Do we have enough stories for a Kangaroo court? 2435 02:08:29.359 --> 02:08:33.680 Has anyone been filing down things against their guilties? Just 2436 02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:35.920 a show of hands, who's got a kangaroo court story? 2437 02:08:36.039 --> 02:08:43.439 Yell out? If you do, no one, you're killing me, Well. 2438 02:08:43.640 --> 02:08:48.479 It would be it would be you be taunting other players. 2439 02:08:48.520 --> 02:08:51.439 Discover I want to I want to hear about that. 2440 02:08:53.039 --> 02:08:56.920 No, no, no, But it's the same thing as that story, right, Yeah, 2441 02:08:57.319 --> 02:09:00.840 so he didn't he didn't attract them personally over discord. 2442 02:09:03.239 --> 02:09:08.159 I'll just h ill, I'll tell sorry, I've just muted 2443 02:09:08.199 --> 02:09:10.119 Sip and that's all right. He's just playing with his kids. 2444 02:09:11.319 --> 02:09:13.960 I'll tell a story about myself and we'll see if 2445 02:09:13.960 --> 02:09:16.760 while I'm telling this story, you guys remember anything about 2446 02:09:16.800 --> 02:09:20.399 anyone else. So once again, I'll nominate myself for Kangaroo 2447 02:09:20.479 --> 02:09:23.960 Court and just say I was a bufhead where we 2448 02:09:24.079 --> 02:09:28.279 had an lb RS run my first one, and you know, 2449 02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:32.720 we did pretty well. Everything was going relatively swimmingly and 2450 02:09:33.880 --> 02:09:36.560 we got to we cleared the whole dungeon we'd heard 2451 02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:40.800 that you know, uh, the last boss was quite tricky. 2452 02:09:40.960 --> 02:09:43.399 We wiped once, figured out what he did, and then 2453 02:09:43.479 --> 02:09:47.399 killed it the second time. It's a really fun fight. Again, like, guys, 2454 02:09:47.479 --> 02:09:51.840 the the fights that are quote unquote working are really fun. 2455 02:09:52.479 --> 02:09:56.760 And to be fair, as a continuation of last week's story, 2456 02:09:58.439 --> 02:10:01.560 you know, Laz told me that we talked about the 2457 02:10:01.720 --> 02:10:05.000 bug with the salamander boss in BRD and it does 2458 02:10:05.159 --> 02:10:08.279 need to be fixed. But Laz went back and killed 2459 02:10:08.319 --> 02:10:11.640 it with a different group composition, so like it's it's 2460 02:10:11.720 --> 02:10:14.319 not working as intended. I wish they would fucking fix it. 2461 02:10:14.439 --> 02:10:18.279 It's silly, but it's not unkillable, Laz. That's right, you 2462 02:10:18.399 --> 02:10:18.760 downed it. 2463 02:10:20.520 --> 02:10:22.880 Yeah, you just we just went in it. We had 2464 02:10:23.079 --> 02:10:28.039 two physical dps just stay on the boss, ignore the ads, uh, 2465 02:10:28.439 --> 02:10:30.359 and just had a second heel this. You know, the 2466 02:10:31.399 --> 02:10:34.039 off field, you know, the person who couldn't do damage, 2467 02:10:34.079 --> 02:10:39.079 just off yield, and he was relatively easier with that strategy. Okay, 2468 02:10:39.880 --> 02:10:42.680 so it shouldn't Yeah. 2469 02:10:42.760 --> 02:10:44.640 No, you shouldn't have You shouldn't need to have a 2470 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:48.039 particular group comp to down a dungeon boss. Completely agree. 2471 02:10:49.279 --> 02:10:52.600 Now we power through, we kill the last boss, and 2472 02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:54.319 then we go, hey, guys, do you want to do 2473 02:10:54.720 --> 02:10:57.880 the optional ogre boss that you summoned with the pike 2474 02:10:57.960 --> 02:11:00.720 in the head. And Dayron goes, yeah, fuck yeah, let's 2475 02:11:00.760 --> 02:11:04.239 do this. We heard it's pretty hard. You sure you 2476 02:11:04.319 --> 02:11:04.800 want to do it? 2477 02:11:04.920 --> 02:11:05.119 Yeah? 2478 02:11:05.159 --> 02:11:07.960 Yeah, fuck yeah, we're gamers, let's do this. So we 2479 02:11:08.079 --> 02:11:12.520 do the encounter and we we get through the waves 2480 02:11:12.760 --> 02:11:15.560 and we actually do see the last boss come, but 2481 02:11:15.680 --> 02:11:19.840 where we're incredibly um, we're low health. We were really 2482 02:11:19.920 --> 02:11:23.239 struggling and we wiped. I think we got like it 2483 02:11:23.439 --> 02:11:26.039 was the last boss and like two other mobs were 2484 02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:30.199 still there and they just ground us down. So we wipe, 2485 02:11:30.319 --> 02:11:35.640 but we had an NK or something, and the last boss, sorry, 2486 02:11:35.720 --> 02:11:38.920 the last boss, the ogre boss, did not despawn, and 2487 02:11:39.039 --> 02:11:42.239 I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, it hasn't sworned, okay, 2488 02:11:42.399 --> 02:11:44.520 And I literally say to the guys like, guys, go go, go, 2489 02:11:44.640 --> 02:11:47.800 go go. Let's res get up to health, get up 2490 02:11:47.840 --> 02:11:51.399 your manner. As soon as fucking possible, this thing will despawn. 2491 02:11:51.479 --> 02:11:53.600 Let's go go, go, go go. We have to fucking 2492 02:11:53.680 --> 02:11:56.239 do this because we can kill him on his own. 2493 02:11:58.039 --> 02:12:02.680 So the ank goes up slowly, but surely, we start 2494 02:12:02.760 --> 02:12:07.159 raising other people. We sit down to eat, and I'm like, okay, okay, okay, 2495 02:12:07.199 --> 02:12:08.319 we got to do this. We got to do this. 2496 02:12:10.159 --> 02:12:13.800 Were it full health, but like, well we're like seventy 2497 02:12:13.840 --> 02:12:17.640 five percent health, seventy five percent manner, and we were 2498 02:12:17.680 --> 02:12:20.000 all kind of like, you know, oh, I guess we 2499 02:12:20.119 --> 02:12:22.199 just wait till we get to a hundred. And I'm 2500 02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:25.399 sitting there staring at my corruption button, going I should 2501 02:12:25.399 --> 02:12:26.880 just fucking pull it. I should just fucking pull it. 2502 02:12:27.000 --> 02:12:28.760 This guy's going to be sworn. I should just fucking 2503 02:12:28.800 --> 02:12:30.720 pull it. And I didn't press the button. And I 2504 02:12:30.800 --> 02:12:32.760 think we were all having the same sort of feeling, 2505 02:12:32.840 --> 02:12:35.720 getting a bit itchy but trying to be responsible and 2506 02:12:35.800 --> 02:12:40.319 just waiting. And as we were at like eighty eighty 2507 02:12:40.399 --> 02:12:43.520 five percent health and manner, the boss de spawns in 2508 02:12:43.600 --> 02:12:44.399 front of our eyes. 2509 02:12:45.279 --> 02:12:46.239 Yeah, we were all at one. 2510 02:12:47.159 --> 02:12:48.960 It was even worse than that. We just got to 2511 02:12:49.039 --> 02:12:51.840 one hundred. I took one step forward to go to pool. 2512 02:12:51.960 --> 02:12:53.439 Yeah, and then spawn. Yeah. 2513 02:12:53.600 --> 02:12:56.720 As a husband, there had been a solid like two 2514 02:12:56.880 --> 02:12:59.039 to three seconds of us all at one hundred percent 2515 02:12:59.119 --> 02:13:02.119 health and manner, right, and that's what made it all 2516 02:13:02.119 --> 02:13:02.439 the worse. 2517 02:13:02.680 --> 02:13:05.800 Yeah, And and I I was I was lying behind 2518 02:13:05.840 --> 02:13:07.720 because I remember I was waiting. As soon as I 2519 02:13:07.800 --> 02:13:09.479 hit one hundred, I was going to go forward. So 2520 02:13:09.600 --> 02:13:11.079 I was the last one. Didn't have thought matter. 2521 02:13:11.479 --> 02:13:16.960 I screamed and cursed in a very loud fashion as 2522 02:13:17.039 --> 02:13:21.479 I watched this, this boss, you know, avengers dissipate in 2523 02:13:21.600 --> 02:13:25.920 front of our eyes, and I just got fuck, fuck, 2524 02:13:26.479 --> 02:13:29.760 you're fucking kidding me, fuck off, Oh my god, what 2525 02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:34.279 the fuck? And I got fucking I didn't get toxic, 2526 02:13:34.359 --> 02:13:38.880 but I unleashed very loudly and very crudely, not directed 2527 02:13:38.960 --> 02:13:41.319 at anyone. I was angry at myself more than anything 2528 02:13:41.399 --> 02:13:45.439 for not just fucking starting the encounter, and they got 2529 02:13:45.640 --> 02:13:49.199 very quiet in the room, and I then eventually apologized 2530 02:13:49.239 --> 02:13:51.239 to all the boys and said, I'm sorry I went 2531 02:13:51.359 --> 02:13:54.720 so nuts, but like I am a fucking loot whole. 2532 02:13:55.279 --> 02:13:58.159 And even though I don't even think you would assigned 2533 02:13:58.239 --> 02:14:01.399 that that boss would drop cast loot, I just hate 2534 02:14:01.640 --> 02:14:04.600 people missing out on loot opportunities because I know, like 2535 02:14:04.760 --> 02:14:08.079 loot is relatively easy to come by, but I'm like, 2536 02:14:08.119 --> 02:14:10.319 you should never miss the chance for luke. And so 2537 02:14:10.439 --> 02:14:13.840 I went fucking ballistic, and the guys did the move 2538 02:14:13.920 --> 02:14:17.039 where like you know, everyone freezes, like Mummy and Daddy 2539 02:14:17.039 --> 02:14:20.720 are screaming at each other at the dinner table and yeah, 2540 02:14:20.920 --> 02:14:23.720 lads or Axle might throw it over to you. Was 2541 02:14:23.800 --> 02:14:25.880 there was I a bit unhinged in that moment? 2542 02:14:28.199 --> 02:14:31.840 You were mad? Definitely? I was whe everyone got quiet. 2543 02:14:31.920 --> 02:14:34.159 Clear to me, I was like, uh oh, like, don't 2544 02:14:34.199 --> 02:14:36.840 be the first person to get yelled at, like whoever, 2545 02:14:37.000 --> 02:14:39.680 Like like if we everyone speaks right now, they're gonna 2546 02:14:39.680 --> 02:14:41.079 get the they're gonna get yelled at. 2547 02:14:41.239 --> 02:14:44.119 Just you know, no, I wouldn't have I wouldn't have 2548 02:14:44.319 --> 02:14:46.319 yelled at anyone like I said. I didn't. I didn't 2549 02:14:47.199 --> 02:14:50.720 say any names or highlight anyone. I was mad or 2550 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:52.439 in the hole, and I was mad at myself. 2551 02:14:53.640 --> 02:14:57.800 You weren't to the well within normal limits, but I 2552 02:14:58.000 --> 02:14:59.119 was laughing my ass off. 2553 02:14:59.239 --> 02:15:03.039 Personally, I was I felt bad. I was like, I 2554 02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:05.960 feel like we all felt the same, Like we all 2555 02:15:06.079 --> 02:15:08.720 had that feeling should we try this poll now? And 2556 02:15:08.920 --> 02:15:10.840 now we had a couple seconds get bad, Like I 2557 02:15:10.920 --> 02:15:11.640 felt terrible. 2558 02:15:11.840 --> 02:15:15.079 You know, it was It's just one of those things. 2559 02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:17.640 It was just one of those things. Yeah, we were 2560 02:15:17.680 --> 02:15:21.680 all upset. Fucking I am just I am a really 2561 02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:25.520 unapologetic lout whole, Like I loot pixels mean a lot 2562 02:15:25.560 --> 02:15:27.680 to me. Blue and purple pixels mean a lot to me. 2563 02:15:28.199 --> 02:15:30.359 And I know it's not why most people played the game. 2564 02:15:30.399 --> 02:15:32.840 They just play for the hang I play for the pixels. 2565 02:15:32.880 --> 02:15:35.680 I'm a fucking weirdo. I'm a really big believer in 2566 02:15:36.199 --> 02:15:39.560 character progression, and I play the game to make my 2567 02:15:39.720 --> 02:15:44.479 character more powerful and and any missed opportunity, I'm like, fuck. 2568 02:15:45.479 --> 02:15:48.560 But anyway, that's just me. So that's I'm kangaroo recording 2569 02:15:48.640 --> 02:15:51.199 myself and sending myself to the gulag for that one, 2570 02:15:51.439 --> 02:15:55.319 for for losing my fucking minds temporarily and saying a 2571 02:15:55.399 --> 02:15:56.199 lot of fucks. 2572 02:15:58.039 --> 02:16:00.159 I would actually give you a pass on that one. Oh, 2573 02:16:00.199 --> 02:16:07.119 how come, well, I would, I would fair enough. 2574 02:16:07.279 --> 02:16:08.680 If anything, I would have blamed. 2575 02:16:08.479 --> 02:16:14.520 Las fucking lads. It's always the tank. It's always the tank, 2576 02:16:15.640 --> 02:16:24.640 the tank, the benefits. Oh good. And now as anyone else, 2577 02:16:24.680 --> 02:16:26.479 you don't have to Has anyone else got a fun 2578 02:16:26.600 --> 02:16:29.279 kangaroo court story where they can throw themselves or someone 2579 02:16:29.359 --> 02:16:30.560 else in the guild under the bus? 2580 02:16:34.000 --> 02:16:34.040 No? 2581 02:16:34.399 --> 02:16:38.680 Nothing. It's been a quiet week, fucking ridiculous, ubiquitous. No 2582 02:16:38.719 --> 02:16:40.360 one's got anything mean to say about anyone. 2583 02:16:42.040 --> 02:16:43.719 I feel like there were some things I just keep 2584 02:16:43.799 --> 02:16:45.079 going blank every time. 2585 02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:47.079 This is why you got to write it down. 2586 02:16:47.520 --> 02:16:50.200 That's all right, that's we need, we need, we need 2587 02:16:50.280 --> 02:16:51.600 a kangaroo court channel. 2588 02:16:51.959 --> 02:16:56.319 Is Oh, that's actually a good idea. That's a good idea. 2589 02:16:56.360 --> 02:16:58.159 I should create a kangaroo court channel and then we 2590 02:16:58.200 --> 02:17:03.840 won't ever forget uh very good. Well, look guys, let 2591 02:17:03.879 --> 02:17:05.879 me see here. Where are we We're two hours and 2592 02:17:05.959 --> 02:17:09.000 fifteen minutes in. Is there anything that you guys feel 2593 02:17:09.079 --> 02:17:12.239 that we have to address for this edition of the podcast. 2594 02:17:12.360 --> 02:17:16.319 Anything that has come up this week in relation to Epoch, 2595 02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:19.319 whether it be bug related that like people need to 2596 02:17:19.360 --> 02:17:22.360 hear a PSA about, or fun things you've noticed about 2597 02:17:22.399 --> 02:17:25.479 certain classes. Hit me anything free for all right now, all. 2598 02:17:25.520 --> 02:17:29.000 Yes, yes, I have something done. I just actually I 2599 02:17:29.319 --> 02:17:34.280 actually just encountered it. Or if you're in Desilus and 2600 02:17:34.399 --> 02:17:41.319 you're at the thunder Axe Fortress, there is a type 2601 02:17:41.319 --> 02:17:43.120 of mob there that can give you a curse. That's 2602 02:17:43.159 --> 02:17:48.040 called curse of thorns, so it is like regular thorns. 2603 02:17:48.120 --> 02:17:50.280 If you hit the mob, there's a fifty percent chund, 2604 02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:52.879 so you'll do damage to yourself. If you do damage 2605 02:17:52.879 --> 02:17:54.440 to yourself, you'll get. 2606 02:17:54.360 --> 02:17:59.440 Flagged for PvP. Nice because you're hitting yourself. 2607 02:18:01.719 --> 02:18:03.920 Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself. 2608 02:18:04.360 --> 02:18:09.319 Exactly, Stanway, So that's a good fya. 2609 02:18:12.159 --> 02:18:15.040 I will say, I think I forgot to finish off 2610 02:18:15.360 --> 02:18:19.840 my sort of story about Syllathus without being spoilery ubi. 2611 02:18:19.959 --> 02:18:21.159 Did you go to Syllicus. 2612 02:18:23.920 --> 02:18:26.680 Yes, much to my own bamboosomen Yeah, And. 2613 02:18:26.680 --> 02:18:28.760 I was going to say, so, I haven't said anything 2614 02:18:28.840 --> 02:18:31.520 about what happens there. All I've said is this is 2615 02:18:31.600 --> 02:18:37.120 not your granddaddy Syllicus anymore. How surprised with you? Were you? 2616 02:18:37.319 --> 02:18:39.440 And do you give it a thumbs up or thumbs down? 2617 02:18:42.680 --> 02:18:46.079 I only went there because I got told that's where 2618 02:18:46.120 --> 02:18:49.559 you learn the Mage water, right, the level fifty five 2619 02:18:49.639 --> 02:18:53.239 Mage water. So my autopilot took me to where you 2620 02:18:53.319 --> 02:18:58.520 always go on Syllaicus and the drift that you sent of. 2621 02:19:00.440 --> 02:19:03.840 Looking around, going yeah, the travolta looking around. 2622 02:19:03.959 --> 02:19:08.440 Genuinely, I was doing that in game and in person, 2623 02:19:08.719 --> 02:19:12.399 just like hah, because I was just full autopilot, like 2624 02:19:12.600 --> 02:19:15.840 auto run, olt tabbed and then I'm like, I should 2625 02:19:15.840 --> 02:19:17.399 be where I think I am by now, and then 2626 02:19:17.440 --> 02:19:19.280 I alt tabbed back in and I was like, what 2627 02:19:19.520 --> 02:19:23.000 the fuck? And then I just went back to the 2628 02:19:23.040 --> 02:19:26.760 start of the zone and found my way. Uh. It 2629 02:19:26.879 --> 02:19:28.719 turns out that was a that was a bit of 2630 02:19:28.760 --> 02:19:32.559 a fuck around for me. The major water quest tells 2631 02:19:32.600 --> 02:19:35.360 you to do barret and hold to find someone to 2632 02:19:35.440 --> 02:19:39.079 teach you how to make the water. So I just 2633 02:19:39.280 --> 02:19:41.520 read the quest text all right, went and did a 2634 02:19:41.520 --> 02:19:45.959 barreton hold with voodoo, didn't see anything obvious, ran around 2635 02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:49.639 the instance for half an hour. Afterwards, started whispering other majors, 2636 02:19:49.680 --> 02:19:52.200 and then they said check your bags. You never had 2637 02:19:52.200 --> 02:19:53.840 to do Barret and hold the quest is bugged, so 2638 02:19:53.879 --> 02:19:55.280 they just give you the book as soon as you 2639 02:19:55.319 --> 02:19:58.159 accept the quest, right, So I went on two hour 2640 02:19:58.239 --> 02:20:01.840 adventure for nothing. But yeah, in regards to Scyllathus, it 2641 02:20:02.040 --> 02:20:05.559 was very confusing. But I didn't do any quests. I 2642 02:20:05.600 --> 02:20:07.479 don't even know. I don't even know what's going on 2643 02:20:07.600 --> 02:20:08.079 down there. 2644 02:20:08.000 --> 02:20:11.280 Like I'm sorry, Oh wow, you have to go and 2645 02:20:11.399 --> 02:20:11.719 see it. 2646 02:20:12.000 --> 02:20:12.600 You have to. 2647 02:20:14.360 --> 02:20:16.200 Oh, okay, give it a look later than I because 2648 02:20:16.200 --> 02:20:17.879 I was going to ask you whether or not you've 2649 02:20:17.879 --> 02:20:20.120 got some sod flashbacks, but you won't know. 2650 02:20:21.959 --> 02:20:24.280 No, I've done nothing in the zone other than run 2651 02:20:24.319 --> 02:20:25.719 into it. Get confused. 2652 02:20:25.760 --> 02:20:29.000 Oh I did. I did all the quests, and it's 2653 02:20:29.399 --> 02:20:34.639 it's a thing. It's like it's an experience. I I 2654 02:20:35.159 --> 02:20:38.479 liked it, but I also questioned it. It's too hard 2655 02:20:38.559 --> 02:20:42.079 to explain without spoilers. So all I would encourage is 2656 02:20:42.159 --> 02:20:44.479 for people to maybe do it this week. If you're 2657 02:20:45.000 --> 02:20:49.360 if you're in your if you're over fifty eight, or 2658 02:20:49.399 --> 02:20:53.280 if you're sixty, just do old Josha favor and take 2659 02:20:53.319 --> 02:20:56.440 a little detour down to Syllicus and do the It 2660 02:20:56.520 --> 02:20:59.959 doesn't take super duper long, just do the few quests 2661 02:21:00.079 --> 02:21:02.159 that are down there now and see what you reckon. 2662 02:21:03.959 --> 02:21:06.440 So on the park web site they describe it as 2663 02:21:06.479 --> 02:21:08.520 like an elite zone or something like that. Is it 2664 02:21:08.639 --> 02:21:10.319 something that you have to do with somebody else or 2665 02:21:10.399 --> 02:21:10.760 can you do it? 2666 02:21:11.079 --> 02:21:15.280 Yeah, So all I'll say, all I'll say is that 2667 02:21:16.040 --> 02:21:21.520 all the og Sylthus quests are no more, right, That's 2668 02:21:21.559 --> 02:21:27.719 all I'll say. And you do different quests now and 2669 02:21:28.520 --> 02:21:39.559 every mob in Syltha's, every mob is elite, so make 2670 02:21:39.680 --> 02:21:43.239 of that what you will. Obviously you might be thinking 2671 02:21:43.360 --> 02:21:46.520 maybe I don't want to go there solo. You can 2672 02:21:46.600 --> 02:21:50.440 still go their solo, but you will not be doing 2673 02:21:50.559 --> 02:21:51.440 the content solo. 2674 02:21:55.360 --> 02:21:57.000 So you should plan for group content. 2675 02:21:57.559 --> 02:22:00.920 Yes it is group content, but you don't feel the 2676 02:22:01.079 --> 02:22:04.799 need because like groups are forming in the zone. Don't 2677 02:22:04.840 --> 02:22:08.159 feel the need to take a pre you know, organized 2678 02:22:08.200 --> 02:22:11.319 group with you, but like it helps if you do. 2679 02:22:11.680 --> 02:22:13.879 But you know you'll find someone as a solo player 2680 02:22:13.879 --> 02:22:19.319 as well. And that's all I say. That's all I say. 2681 02:22:19.680 --> 02:22:22.040 Maybe we'll talk about it next week or the week 2682 02:22:22.079 --> 02:22:27.840 after where you know, it's it's very interesting. But yeah, 2683 02:22:27.920 --> 02:22:31.319 I'm I'm. 2684 02:22:29.920 --> 02:22:32.000 Very part on this over but self, this was a mess, 2685 02:22:32.200 --> 02:22:35.559 just conceptually the zone. I don't want to spoil it. Yeah, 2686 02:22:35.879 --> 02:22:39.479 just from a big pictures downpoint, it's a mess. 2687 02:22:39.719 --> 02:22:42.239 A little bit of sod PTSD, like I said, And 2688 02:22:42.319 --> 02:22:44.760 people can take that, can guess to what that means. 2689 02:22:44.959 --> 02:22:52.200 But yeah, anyway, anyone else on anything they've seen let 2690 02:22:52.280 --> 02:22:54.799 me think about Yeah, please go nuts. 2691 02:22:56.319 --> 02:23:00.440 So I thought someone I said was interesting earlier. He said, 2692 02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:03.440 you know they're they're making like dungeon content, you know, 2693 02:23:03.520 --> 02:23:05.639 stuff that's not for him. I thought it was an 2694 02:23:05.639 --> 02:23:10.520 interesting topic, you know, because developer time is is limited 2695 02:23:10.719 --> 02:23:14.879 and there'sn't it. You know, there's a cost benefit do 2696 02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:18.760 you make do you revamp old dungeons or to use 2697 02:23:18.799 --> 02:23:21.120 that time to make new content, And it's sort of 2698 02:23:21.159 --> 02:23:23.280 a zero sum game, you know, the more you spend 2699 02:23:23.360 --> 02:23:27.799 on revamping lifetime for new stuff. And I thought that 2700 02:23:28.079 --> 02:23:30.680 even though I like that they what they did with 2701 02:23:30.719 --> 02:23:33.200 the Bling caverns is great and the new deadmine is great, 2702 02:23:33.440 --> 02:23:36.440 I still liked I actually, yeah, I like. I love 2703 02:23:36.520 --> 02:23:38.319 the old deadmines and I like the old Bhiling caverns. 2704 02:23:38.360 --> 02:23:40.559 There's nothing even I like what they did with it. 2705 02:23:40.600 --> 02:23:42.000 There was no need. I thought it was a waste 2706 02:23:43.159 --> 02:23:45.520 I would love to see more new content like toll 2707 02:23:45.600 --> 02:23:49.360 Broad and new and more new dungeons because I you know, 2708 02:23:49.559 --> 02:23:53.559 I like the old ones. And on a negative note, 2709 02:23:55.440 --> 02:23:57.959 if they're going to revamp them, you know they they've 2710 02:23:58.000 --> 02:24:00.920 gone through the high of dungeons and revamp the not 2711 02:24:01.040 --> 02:24:04.040 the assets, but they've run the boss mechanics, which is great. 2712 02:24:04.680 --> 02:24:08.559 But to me, they left the biggest hole and Mardon 2713 02:24:09.200 --> 02:24:12.479 for example. Uh, even though I liked the last boss, 2714 02:24:12.639 --> 02:24:16.680 but there's no exit. It's you have to like heart 2715 02:24:16.760 --> 02:24:19.159 out and I think that's a terrible design. I was 2716 02:24:19.200 --> 02:24:22.200 really disappointed with mar I thought they were gonna, if 2717 02:24:22.239 --> 02:24:25.680 they're gonna touch it, they would add an exit with 2718 02:24:25.719 --> 02:24:28.680 dead minds, and I don't know why they didn't. You know, 2719 02:24:29.040 --> 02:24:33.200 little things like that. Uh, I'd rather see that rather 2720 02:24:33.239 --> 02:24:36.159 than revamping as good as a community. They did a 2721 02:24:36.200 --> 02:24:38.840 good job with dead mines and plank caverns, no no doubt, 2722 02:24:38.879 --> 02:24:43.479 but I would rather see that time go to new 2723 02:24:43.559 --> 02:24:46.200 content or if you know, little little things that are 2724 02:24:46.239 --> 02:24:49.200 easy to fix, like putting an exit marit so you 2725 02:24:49.239 --> 02:24:51.520 don't have to like heart and if your heart's on 2726 02:24:51.639 --> 02:24:54.479 cool down, you sit there, you exit the game. 2727 02:24:55.120 --> 02:24:57.959 Did we do the Barreton Hold review last week on 2728 02:24:58.040 --> 02:24:58.680 the show or not? 2729 02:25:00.840 --> 02:25:01.280 I think so. 2730 02:25:03.200 --> 02:25:06.159 I mentioned it a couple of times, but you have 2731 02:25:06.280 --> 02:25:06.479 you have. 2732 02:25:06.559 --> 02:25:08.159 You done it a few more times since then. 2733 02:25:09.719 --> 02:25:11.120 I've done it twice total. 2734 02:25:12.840 --> 02:25:14.520 I think you said you gave it the thumbs up. 2735 02:25:14.520 --> 02:25:15.399 You're quite happy with it. 2736 02:25:17.600 --> 02:25:20.600 Yeah, it just it looks really really cool, Like the 2737 02:25:21.239 --> 02:25:26.719 asset usage is a step up, like it's it is 2738 02:25:26.959 --> 02:25:32.639 just a it's it's a catterfied deadminds, says stock Aide. Sorry, 2739 02:25:33.000 --> 02:25:35.079 like it looks nice and new and shiny compared to 2740 02:25:35.159 --> 02:25:37.559 what Stockades looks like. But it's the same vibe in it. 2741 02:25:37.680 --> 02:25:42.040 Obviously it's prison. But I thought the boss fight's were 2742 02:25:42.079 --> 02:25:44.280 really cool. One of them's a couple of them are 2743 02:25:44.280 --> 02:25:46.239 pretty hard, but the rest of you straightforward. But I 2744 02:25:46.719 --> 02:25:48.239 like the theme of it. I think they did a 2745 02:25:48.280 --> 02:25:51.440 good job of how to make a prison dungeon fun 2746 02:25:52.799 --> 02:25:55.879 and all the different little chambers of it and all 2747 02:25:55.920 --> 02:25:56.360 that crap. 2748 02:25:59.000 --> 02:26:01.559 I'm kind of kind of on board with, you know, 2749 02:26:01.799 --> 02:26:04.120 keeping things kind of the way they were. If they 2750 02:26:04.120 --> 02:26:08.680 were going to make or revamp something, maybe they should 2751 02:26:08.680 --> 02:26:12.520 have done something more in games stylish, you know what 2752 02:26:12.559 --> 02:26:15.399 I mean, Like if you're going to redo deadminds about 2753 02:26:15.440 --> 02:26:19.200 have a heroic version that's redone, you know, something a 2754 02:26:19.200 --> 02:26:24.079 little different there instead of getting rid of the completely 2755 02:26:24.120 --> 02:26:27.760 getting rid of the norm. I mean, the fights are fun, 2756 02:26:28.159 --> 02:26:31.120 you know, the mechanics are great, but I think they 2757 02:26:31.600 --> 02:26:33.440 kind of should have just been left alone a little. 2758 02:26:36.079 --> 02:26:37.600 Yeah, I kind of a smell of dead binks, just 2759 02:26:37.799 --> 02:26:41.120 that a nostalgic Yeah, exactly. I want to go back 2760 02:26:41.120 --> 02:26:41.879 there and I can't know. 2761 02:26:42.920 --> 02:26:45.680 Yeah, And that's that's that's what would have been fun 2762 02:26:45.760 --> 02:26:48.639 with the whole. You know, if you're going to redo something, 2763 02:26:49.319 --> 02:26:53.920 let's let's give it a different aspect, you know, let's 2764 02:26:54.360 --> 02:26:57.600 do use it for something else. Speak of all broad 2765 02:26:57.600 --> 02:26:58.159 I think it's great. 2766 02:26:58.159 --> 02:26:59.920 I agree with you. The boss fights are really fun. 2767 02:27:01.440 --> 02:27:04.520 Good mechanics, not like too much, but enough to make 2768 02:27:04.559 --> 02:27:07.200 them interesting. Well, especially the last on is hard some 2769 02:27:07.319 --> 02:27:09.520 of them, not everyone is hard. Good piecing. 2770 02:27:10.040 --> 02:27:10.639 I really like it. 2771 02:27:12.600 --> 02:27:14.600 Hearing you say that sort of. I was going to 2772 02:27:14.639 --> 02:27:17.840 bring this up earlier with you know, some stuff that 2773 02:27:18.280 --> 02:27:24.000 Vestige was saying regarding boss encounters, and like, I guess 2774 02:27:24.000 --> 02:27:27.760 there's a difference between a boss being broken versus having 2775 02:27:28.159 --> 02:27:33.559 your expectations of certain encounters recalibrated and just hearing a 2776 02:27:33.600 --> 02:27:39.959 couple of things you said there about Deadmindes as well Lazarus. 2777 02:27:40.040 --> 02:27:45.120 The epoch really has been a test, and this whole 2778 02:27:45.159 --> 02:27:48.239 Classic plus thing really has been a test for the 2779 02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:52.520 classic player base on We've mentioned it very briefly before, 2780 02:27:54.040 --> 02:27:57.559 how much people actually want new stuff, And it's like, 2781 02:27:57.680 --> 02:27:59.559 when you say you want new stuff, what do you 2782 02:27:59.719 --> 02:28:02.559 mean by that? Which seems like such an odd thing 2783 02:28:02.639 --> 02:28:06.399 to say, but one of the I don't share this 2784 02:28:06.600 --> 02:28:09.200 trait with the classic community generally, where one of the 2785 02:28:09.239 --> 02:28:15.399 biggest things that classic community revers or coverts is their 2786 02:28:16.040 --> 02:28:18.840 knowledge of the game and their ability to use that 2787 02:28:19.000 --> 02:28:23.239 knowledge to succeed at the game. And they get off 2788 02:28:23.680 --> 02:28:27.719 on I've played this game so much. I know exactly 2789 02:28:27.879 --> 02:28:30.000 when and where I'm supposed to do things. I know 2790 02:28:30.200 --> 02:28:33.920 how things are supposed to go, and I can perform 2791 02:28:34.120 --> 02:28:38.000 well because of that knowledge. And the second that core 2792 02:28:38.159 --> 02:28:43.840 foundation of knowledge is shaken, generally the attitude shift a 2793 02:28:43.879 --> 02:28:46.680 little bit into terms of you start to hear more 2794 02:28:46.719 --> 02:28:48.799 negative comments come out of people like I don't know 2795 02:28:48.879 --> 02:28:51.360 if I like this. I'm not so sure about this. 2796 02:28:52.239 --> 02:28:52.719 I don't know. 2797 02:28:54.719 --> 02:28:58.000 You know, when you say things like I just want 2798 02:28:58.040 --> 02:29:04.120 my old Deadlindes. And you know, people say I should 2799 02:29:04.120 --> 02:29:05.840 be able to do this boss at this level. This 2800 02:29:05.959 --> 02:29:10.520 is ridiculous when you have a sort of a yeah, 2801 02:29:10.719 --> 02:29:12.760 sorry God for yeah, I know what. 2802 02:29:12.760 --> 02:29:15.840 You're trying to I don't your questions I missed. I'm 2803 02:29:15.840 --> 02:29:19.040 talking about the art assets, the way it looks, the 2804 02:29:19.319 --> 02:29:22.600 updated fights, the new mechanics are super fun, and I 2805 02:29:22.639 --> 02:29:26.639 don't mind that at all, especially smite amazing. I don't 2806 02:29:26.680 --> 02:29:30.120 mind them mixing up the abilities or the possiblays or 2807 02:29:30.200 --> 02:29:33.920 the tuning or what I mean when I missed nostalgia 2808 02:29:34.000 --> 02:29:38.799 of how it looks and like the So I I'm 2809 02:29:38.840 --> 02:29:42.639 not saying that the new one's bad, It's just I 2810 02:29:42.680 --> 02:29:45.879 would if you're going to spend time, I'd rather, you know, 2811 02:29:46.600 --> 02:29:49.639 two or three more tall broads than messing with the 2812 02:29:49.760 --> 02:29:50.639 art assets. 2813 02:29:50.319 --> 02:29:53.840 Of the fair enough fair enough, I guess, Or if you're. 2814 02:29:53.760 --> 02:29:57.120 Going to change one, maybe change like but like Chunk 2815 02:29:57.159 --> 02:29:58.079 and Temple could probably do. 2816 02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:01.600 A redo, you know, fair enough, I guess. My question 2817 02:30:01.719 --> 02:30:04.159 still remains, though, like, not not so much lumping you 2818 02:30:04.319 --> 02:30:06.600 in with this this sort of crowd Lazarus, but just 2819 02:30:06.680 --> 02:30:13.920 sort of saying, you know, queerying to what degree people. 2820 02:30:14.520 --> 02:30:16.600 You know, we sit here and we say classic plus, 2821 02:30:16.719 --> 02:30:20.920 Classic plus, give us Classic plus. But I really think 2822 02:30:21.079 --> 02:30:28.239 that if Blizzard does deliver, you know, even something along 2823 02:30:28.280 --> 02:30:31.360 the lines of Epoch, where I don't think the changes 2824 02:30:31.399 --> 02:30:34.040 are drastic by any stretch of the imagination. I think 2825 02:30:34.079 --> 02:30:39.680 the changes are moderate. You know, the Blizzard player base, 2826 02:30:39.840 --> 02:30:42.719 the Blizzard Classic player base that you know, the kind 2827 02:30:42.760 --> 02:30:45.639 of players that won't venture on to a private server, 2828 02:30:48.120 --> 02:30:51.879 could really say that they you know, they don't like this, 2829 02:30:52.079 --> 02:30:55.799 And I think of I often think of the players ubiquitous, 2830 02:30:55.799 --> 02:30:57.760 if you don't mind me dragging you into this rant 2831 02:30:57.840 --> 02:31:00.159 a little bit. And I'm still I'm speaking slowly and 2832 02:31:00.200 --> 02:31:02.200 softly because I'm still really trying to piece together the 2833 02:31:02.319 --> 02:31:04.799 right way to say this. But I'm thinking of the 2834 02:31:04.840 --> 02:31:08.319 players ubiquitous that we know, you know, from our travels 2835 02:31:08.360 --> 02:31:11.200 in Countdown, friends that we've made along the way, that's 2836 02:31:11.319 --> 02:31:15.239 still you know, don't want to play on Epoch. And 2837 02:31:15.319 --> 02:31:16.840 it's not a crime if you don't want to play 2838 02:31:16.879 --> 02:31:19.079 on Epoch. I totally get it. We've talked about this before. 2839 02:31:19.159 --> 02:31:22.719 It's a private server. It's weird, you know, I get it. 2840 02:31:23.799 --> 02:31:26.000 But we know a lot of people that we would 2841 02:31:26.040 --> 02:31:30.879 have presumed would be like pigs and shit on this server, 2842 02:31:31.399 --> 02:31:35.920 but they have absolutely stayed away, and a part of 2843 02:31:36.000 --> 02:31:40.280 me wonders if it's truly because they say they want 2844 02:31:40.319 --> 02:31:43.959 Classic Plus, but we've said this for a while now, 2845 02:31:45.120 --> 02:31:48.559 it's kind of like, not really, they literally just want 2846 02:31:48.680 --> 02:31:53.239 Classic and nothing to change, but maybe just one or 2847 02:31:53.280 --> 02:31:58.200 two new raids, and if Blizzard introduces something like Epoch 2848 02:31:58.680 --> 02:32:03.799 or even more than Epoch, I think the propensity for 2849 02:32:03.879 --> 02:32:07.680 the community to actually weirdly backlash against that against that 2850 02:32:08.879 --> 02:32:12.120 is high as we saw it with SOD, Like even 2851 02:32:12.159 --> 02:32:14.920 people complained about SOD, Oh that's new, I don't like it. 2852 02:32:15.600 --> 02:32:18.479 It's almost like, do they really want new or do 2853 02:32:18.600 --> 02:32:21.680 they just want a fucking relaunch and a new coat 2854 02:32:21.719 --> 02:32:23.959 of pain on what they already know and love. 2855 02:32:26.639 --> 02:32:28.719 Yeah. I think I had one of these rants at 2856 02:32:28.760 --> 02:32:31.280 the start of Epoch on the same vein of like, 2857 02:32:32.479 --> 02:32:35.920 if you're looking at this, even if you're not playing it, 2858 02:32:36.000 --> 02:32:39.239 but if you're observing it and going this is dogshit, 2859 02:32:39.840 --> 02:32:44.159 then I'm flabberg acid as to what you thought Classic 2860 02:32:44.200 --> 02:32:44.959 Plus would look like. 2861 02:32:45.399 --> 02:32:48.600 But also on that point that there we've said it 2862 02:32:48.840 --> 02:32:51.959 so many times over the last twelve months I've search 2863 02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:54.840 for me in discord. I've said this multiple times. If 2864 02:32:55.000 --> 02:33:00.280 people are upset by Epoch, my god, are you? I 2865 02:33:00.319 --> 02:33:02.879 don't know what Blizzard is making, but my god, you're 2866 02:33:02.920 --> 02:33:04.799 going to be fucking upset with whatever they do. 2867 02:33:07.680 --> 02:33:12.239 Yeah, it's not to say that one is the right 2868 02:33:12.399 --> 02:33:15.159 choice or not, because it's just all personal preference of 2869 02:33:15.239 --> 02:33:17.120 what you want plus to be. And that's the biggest 2870 02:33:17.159 --> 02:33:23.120 fucking debate at the moment. But I just I don't 2871 02:33:23.200 --> 02:33:26.959 know if someone that if there's people out there that 2872 02:33:27.120 --> 02:33:30.559 want one point one two, but they're going to just 2873 02:33:30.920 --> 02:33:34.959 add a couple more raids after nacks, for example, I 2874 02:33:35.120 --> 02:33:37.760 just don't know from those people, if they're saying that 2875 02:33:37.959 --> 02:33:41.319 and they know that that is like five percent of 2876 02:33:41.399 --> 02:33:45.799 the audience would play that in comparison to something that 2877 02:33:46.000 --> 02:33:49.840 is more like this that would catch Blizzard ninety of 2878 02:33:49.959 --> 02:33:53.600 the c plus interested people. Like do they actually believe 2879 02:33:53.639 --> 02:33:57.520 in their concept being the better, more popular choice or 2880 02:33:58.079 --> 02:34:01.440 is it a self conceding, selfish choice? Like do they 2881 02:34:01.559 --> 02:34:04.120 know I want a niche valley that will get fuck 2882 02:34:04.159 --> 02:34:06.879 all players, but it's what I want. That's the point 2883 02:34:06.920 --> 02:34:09.120 that I never really get out of them, Like, if 2884 02:34:09.159 --> 02:34:12.280 you know what I mean. You know, you can, you 2885 02:34:12.360 --> 02:34:14.440 can have your preference, but do you know that it's 2886 02:34:14.520 --> 02:34:17.879 not a popular preference because in my opinion anyway, again, 2887 02:34:18.799 --> 02:34:25.360 I think that this would absolutely stomp one point one 2888 02:34:25.479 --> 02:34:28.639 two with a new rate after nact like this would 2889 02:34:28.680 --> 02:34:32.520 get a million players that would get fifty K, and 2890 02:34:32.559 --> 02:34:33.719 half of them wouldn't get the sixty. 2891 02:34:34.200 --> 02:34:34.399 Yeah. 2892 02:34:34.920 --> 02:34:39.159 Absolutely, I mean, and we're already seeing that with Epoch 2893 02:34:39.440 --> 02:34:44.239 like you can sort of sit there and wonder, well, 2894 02:34:44.719 --> 02:34:46.479 what percentage of the player base, so you know that 2895 02:34:46.600 --> 02:34:48.680 there might be a large percentage of the player base 2896 02:34:49.200 --> 02:34:51.559 dropping out because of the bucks, like we talked about, 2897 02:34:51.600 --> 02:34:53.600 maybe people are sort of seeing this server and going, 2898 02:34:53.639 --> 02:34:56.479 you know what, this is clearly an unfinished server. I'm 2899 02:34:56.520 --> 02:35:00.680 not interested. I'm out, But I I think that we're 2900 02:35:00.719 --> 02:35:04.440 also and I said, any any server that makes a 2901 02:35:04.799 --> 02:35:09.600 protracted journey to level sixty, whether whether it's Vanilla like 2902 02:35:09.799 --> 02:35:13.719 or not, if it's relatively close to Vanilla like, a 2903 02:35:13.959 --> 02:35:16.639 significant chunk of the player base will not make it 2904 02:35:16.719 --> 02:35:18.760 to sixty. It is just even for me, it is 2905 02:35:18.840 --> 02:35:20.959 a long and ar like I said, I did ten days, 2906 02:35:21.000 --> 02:35:23.920 played like something fucking ridiculous, and everyone can laugh and 2907 02:35:23.959 --> 02:35:25.360 go Oh my god, how do you even how is 2908 02:35:25.360 --> 02:35:28.440 it physically possible to spend fucking, you know, two hundred 2909 02:35:28.440 --> 02:35:30.200 to two hundred and forty hours to get to fucking 2910 02:35:30.280 --> 02:35:33.399 level sixty. Trust me, it is. You know, I do 2911 02:35:33.479 --> 02:35:35.479 a lot of things along the way, professions and all 2912 02:35:35.520 --> 02:35:38.600 that shit. I just did it. But I understand that 2913 02:35:38.799 --> 02:35:41.280 most players, not most, but like a shitload of players 2914 02:35:41.440 --> 02:35:43.680 be like, yeah, I'm getting to level thirty and stopping. 2915 02:35:43.680 --> 02:35:45.239 I just don't have time for this shit. Because people 2916 02:35:45.280 --> 02:35:46.639 don't have time for this shit anymore. 2917 02:35:49.280 --> 02:35:54.399 Yeah, I think this, The leveling in this is so 2918 02:35:54.639 --> 02:35:59.479 easy compared to error, and it kind of makes me say, 2919 02:35:59.639 --> 02:36:04.239 like if you can't, if one to sixty on Epoch 2920 02:36:04.399 --> 02:36:06.440 was too hard for you, then I don't know, it 2921 02:36:06.479 --> 02:36:10.120 sounds cunty, but like just an MMO just isn't for 2922 02:36:10.159 --> 02:36:12.079 you and your lifestyle anymore, Like you need to give 2923 02:36:12.120 --> 02:36:14.159 it up. You need to go find a different kind 2924 02:36:14.200 --> 02:36:16.719 of game to play, because if anything, I would say 2925 02:36:16.760 --> 02:36:19.680 it's too quick, like I would have happily slapped an 2926 02:36:19.719 --> 02:36:22.680 extra day played time sink to get to sixty on 2927 02:36:22.799 --> 02:36:26.559 this because they succeeded in the old myth that I 2928 02:36:26.680 --> 02:36:29.520 laughed at when people talk about Vanilla about the journey 2929 02:36:29.600 --> 02:36:32.280 being like so important and so fun in this I 2930 02:36:32.360 --> 02:36:33.799 hit sixty and there was a part of me that 2931 02:36:33.959 --> 02:36:36.639 was fucking sad that I hit sixty because I didn't 2932 02:36:36.680 --> 02:36:38.600 get to do the rest of the things. But then 2933 02:36:39.040 --> 02:36:40.399 I've said it in a few times on the show, 2934 02:36:40.920 --> 02:36:44.000 it just motivates me to want to play another character already, 2935 02:36:44.319 --> 02:36:46.559 So like that's why I'm leveling the Warrior and now 2936 02:36:46.680 --> 02:36:48.200 old go to zones that I didn't get to do 2937 02:36:48.479 --> 02:36:50.799 to see what was going on there. But yeah, I 2938 02:36:51.000 --> 02:36:56.159 just think it's still leaning on that. Do you even 2939 02:36:56.239 --> 02:36:59.280 want Classic Plus? Do you even like the idea of 2940 02:36:59.319 --> 02:37:02.639 Classic Plus? Truly? If you don't like this leveling, then 2941 02:37:02.840 --> 02:37:06.239 like fuck me, just play Battlefield with me next month, 2942 02:37:06.280 --> 02:37:08.280 where you just open the game, jump in a server, 2943 02:37:08.440 --> 02:37:10.399 you play, and then you fucking close it and that's it. 2944 02:37:10.559 --> 02:37:13.079 Like there's no commitment. That's that's the game that you 2945 02:37:13.200 --> 02:37:15.639 need now. If you if you if this is too 2946 02:37:15.760 --> 02:37:18.600 much of a burden for you with how easy Epoch is, 2947 02:37:19.040 --> 02:37:21.319 then I just don't know what warcraft you're even looking 2948 02:37:21.360 --> 02:37:21.920 for at this point. 2949 02:37:22.000 --> 02:37:27.600 Yeah, And I've been really I've been really down on 2950 02:37:27.920 --> 02:37:30.559 the one to sixty journey over the last couple of years. 2951 02:37:30.600 --> 02:37:32.920 I've said multiple times on the show. People know, I'm 2952 02:37:33.000 --> 02:37:36.239 like I said, never again. I'm never doing Vanilla one 2953 02:37:36.319 --> 02:37:40.239 to sixty again. It is like pulling teeth. I can't 2954 02:37:40.280 --> 02:37:43.639 fucking do it. It's it's you know, oh, it's all 2955 02:37:43.680 --> 02:37:46.200 about the journey. Fuck your journey. I've done it ten 2956 02:37:46.280 --> 02:37:51.879 times and I'm fucking over it. Epoch is not the 2957 02:37:52.000 --> 02:37:55.239 Vanilla Journey now. I know it's relatively close, but people 2958 02:37:55.360 --> 02:37:57.319 might be fair to ask, you know, Josh, why did 2959 02:37:57.360 --> 02:38:00.959 you have tolerance for Epoch when it's still it still 2960 02:38:01.120 --> 02:38:04.280 took you Slash ten days played. What's the fucking difference? 2961 02:38:04.399 --> 02:38:08.399 The time investment is literally the same. But it's how 2962 02:38:08.479 --> 02:38:12.559 I felt along the way, and like everything about this 2963 02:38:12.799 --> 02:38:17.600 leveling journey felt right, it felt like and that really 2964 02:38:17.680 --> 02:38:18.440 resonates with me. 2965 02:38:18.959 --> 02:38:19.000 Me. 2966 02:38:19.479 --> 02:38:21.959 Sorry, that really resonates with me. When you say you're 2967 02:38:21.959 --> 02:38:24.520 almost a little bit disappointed that it was over, I 2968 02:38:24.639 --> 02:38:27.159 felt the same way, because I'm now kind of like, oh, 2969 02:38:28.360 --> 02:38:32.000 I really do get the sensation that that one to 2970 02:38:32.120 --> 02:38:35.680 sixty journey kind of was the game. And yeah, of 2971 02:38:35.760 --> 02:38:37.520 course there's a lot of stuff to do at endgame, 2972 02:38:37.639 --> 02:38:41.559 but like that was the game. That leveling with the boys, 2973 02:38:41.680 --> 02:38:44.840 that progressing your character and getting talent points along the way, 2974 02:38:45.600 --> 02:38:48.360 seeing all the new shit from zone to zone that 2975 02:38:48.879 --> 02:38:51.440 you only gets to be new in your eyes and 2976 02:38:51.520 --> 02:38:57.200 your mind once. I'm so glad I did it because 2977 02:38:57.200 --> 02:38:59.319 I had so much fun along the way, But I 2978 02:38:59.399 --> 02:39:02.879 am sad now I get to see a few things 2979 02:39:02.920 --> 02:39:05.280 I missed via an olts. That's great. I'll go and 2980 02:39:05.360 --> 02:39:07.440 do more of Burning Steps. I'll go and do fucking 2981 02:39:07.479 --> 02:39:11.399 fell Wood and shit that I skipped. But like the 2982 02:39:11.639 --> 02:39:18.360 journey was the experience. And even though I don't feel 2983 02:39:18.399 --> 02:39:22.680 that way about Vanilla anymore, I feel that way about Epoch, 2984 02:39:22.959 --> 02:39:25.879 and hopefully I will feel that way about whatever Blizzard 2985 02:39:25.959 --> 02:39:30.200 releases next because they need to. And I didn't get 2986 02:39:30.239 --> 02:39:33.520 this feeling through SOD at all. That the one to 2987 02:39:33.639 --> 02:39:37.040 sixty journey was so fucking oh my god, what an experience. 2988 02:39:37.079 --> 02:39:39.040 I'll never forget that. I don't feel that way about 2989 02:39:39.360 --> 02:39:42.680 about SOD. SOD was fantastic, the gameplay was impeccable, but 2990 02:39:42.760 --> 02:39:47.959 the leveling journey wasn't like me revering it, No, not 2991 02:39:48.000 --> 02:39:51.399 at all. No, but this one they need to replicate. 2992 02:39:51.559 --> 02:39:53.079 This feeling wouldn't you say. 2993 02:39:54.440 --> 02:39:57.280 Yeah, and I think it's kind of what the reason 2994 02:39:57.319 --> 02:40:00.799 why it works so well is that, like I'm sitting 2995 02:40:00.840 --> 02:40:03.360 here thinking about what are the differences, and it's like 2996 02:40:04.000 --> 02:40:07.159 you've got the extra quest obviously, and there's new things 2997 02:40:07.200 --> 02:40:09.639 to find, and that's kind of like the bells and 2998 02:40:09.719 --> 02:40:13.000 the whistles that are and the lights that really make 2999 02:40:13.120 --> 02:40:17.159 you observe the differences of the journey. But I think 3000 02:40:17.239 --> 02:40:19.959 a lot of it is like subconsciously the fact that 3001 02:40:20.600 --> 02:40:25.040 you are leveling slightly quicker because there's less XP required 3002 02:40:25.079 --> 02:40:30.719 per level. If I'm not mistaken, there's the increased efficiency 3003 02:40:30.840 --> 02:40:33.040 of there being more quests and stuff that you don't 3004 02:40:33.120 --> 02:40:37.120 directly observe, but your routing is smooth. You feel like 3005 02:40:37.280 --> 02:40:39.799 you have options as well. That's always nice to pick 3006 02:40:39.840 --> 02:40:43.440 between zones and go and find things. The additional recid 3007 02:40:43.600 --> 02:40:46.280 XP when you log off for the night and come back. 3008 02:40:46.639 --> 02:40:50.719 All the things adding together made it so much smoother 3009 02:40:51.440 --> 02:40:55.200 and therefore enjoyable. But you're not there like yelling and 3010 02:40:55.319 --> 02:40:57.520 screaming about how good those things are while you're in it. 3011 02:40:57.600 --> 02:41:01.719 It's only when you, like, you know, not actually feeling 3012 02:41:01.760 --> 02:41:03.760 how smooth the car ride is while you're in it. 3013 02:41:04.239 --> 02:41:05.799 But you got to the end and you go, fuck, 3014 02:41:05.879 --> 02:41:09.200 that was a nice drive, weather was good, roads were empty, 3015 02:41:09.719 --> 02:41:12.120 car ran well, and you only kind of get to 3016 02:41:12.200 --> 02:41:14.879 the end and realize all these things added up. At 3017 02:41:14.959 --> 02:41:17.159 least that's how it was for me. It's and it's 3018 02:41:17.719 --> 02:41:19.799 and I didn't know half of it at the start either, 3019 02:41:19.920 --> 02:41:22.079 Like I didn't. It took me like twenty levels to go. Fuck, 3020 02:41:22.559 --> 02:41:25.079 I'm getting five bars arrested every day when I log off, 3021 02:41:25.120 --> 02:41:26.799 and then I go to work and then I come home, 3022 02:41:27.239 --> 02:41:28.920 and it's like that shit adds up, you know what 3023 02:41:28.959 --> 02:41:30.879 I mean? When you're leveling, when you play every day 3024 02:41:31.719 --> 02:41:34.719 and your level fifty four, five bars arrested feels so 3025 02:41:34.920 --> 02:41:35.520 fucking nice. 3026 02:41:36.079 --> 02:41:38.639 I think I just want to shout out. So sorry, 3027 02:41:38.719 --> 02:41:40.159 someone was going to say something there, go for it. 3028 02:41:41.159 --> 02:41:42.959 Yeah, I was just I was just gonna say, like, 3029 02:41:43.120 --> 02:41:46.120 it sounds like you guys need to activate to a 3030 02:41:46.239 --> 02:41:48.479 Explorers contract or the Adventure contract. 3031 02:41:48.559 --> 02:41:55.520 Yeah yeah, god never never, yub I think we've achieved 3032 02:41:55.680 --> 02:41:59.600 peak private server player in the Twitch chat. So I 3033 02:42:00.040 --> 02:42:03.639 don't normally do this, but we'll fucking shout it out 3034 02:42:03.680 --> 02:42:07.520 when it needs shouting out. So we got someone who 3035 02:42:07.600 --> 02:42:12.079 reckons every boss in toll Barrad dies in fifteen seconds 3036 02:42:12.120 --> 02:42:14.399 except the last posts. Do you agree or disagree? 3037 02:42:16.319 --> 02:42:18.680 I haven't done toll Barrad yet, said you did it. 3038 02:42:18.680 --> 02:42:20.959 A couple of times. No, that's batter and that's bad 3039 02:42:21.000 --> 02:42:22.120 than hold yeah same place? 3040 02:42:22.239 --> 02:42:26.440 Oh yeah yeah yeah, no, no, yeah agree. 3041 02:42:26.440 --> 02:42:29.079 I wouldn't thought so. Fifteen seconds is a very short time. 3042 02:42:30.440 --> 02:42:33.680 When I did it, it was like somewhere easy, but 3043 02:42:33.879 --> 02:42:36.479 like the fucking I think it's the ogre chef. Yeah, 3044 02:42:36.920 --> 02:42:37.920 that was a pretty hectic fight. 3045 02:42:38.159 --> 02:42:38.479 I don't know. 3046 02:42:39.079 --> 02:42:41.360 Sounds like typical twitch chat. 3047 02:42:41.559 --> 02:42:46.520 Oh mate, where the peak Schizo podcast as this guy 3048 02:42:46.600 --> 02:42:49.440 has just gone full private server player and it's gone, Mate, 3049 02:42:49.440 --> 02:42:54.920 I killed things in fifteen seconds. A fuck off, idiot, Hey, text, 3050 02:42:55.000 --> 02:43:00.840 I will address your question mates. Look, I sort of 3051 02:43:00.879 --> 02:43:03.360 say the same thing to you I've said to everyone else. 3052 02:43:03.399 --> 02:43:06.079 And this sounds a bit sort of facetious. But it's like, mate, 3053 02:43:06.319 --> 02:43:08.120 you've got to just download and install the thing and 3054 02:43:08.200 --> 02:43:10.559 try it out for yourself. Everyone's asking about the ping, 3055 02:43:10.680 --> 02:43:13.840 particularly the ausies. Every ossie you wants to know, but 3056 02:43:14.040 --> 02:43:16.680 the ping, the ping. I'm not installing shit until you 3057 02:43:16.799 --> 02:43:19.200 tell me about the ping, mate, Just fucking play the 3058 02:43:19.280 --> 02:43:21.719 server and try it. All I can say to you 3059 02:43:22.040 --> 02:43:25.360 is like, it feels like two point fifty. UBI sort 3060 02:43:25.399 --> 02:43:29.879 of has said similar things it. It's just a question 3061 02:43:30.000 --> 02:43:32.280 on how you feel about that kind of ping. So 3062 02:43:32.760 --> 02:43:35.559 don't trust the number that you see when you log 3063 02:43:35.639 --> 02:43:37.399 on and you go, oh, it's saying I've got one 3064 02:43:37.520 --> 02:43:41.200 seventy eight MS. The numbers are lies. Do not believe them. 3065 02:43:41.360 --> 02:43:43.680 You have to just play it and go by feel, 3066 02:43:44.159 --> 02:43:46.879 and then when you feel it, you'll be the best 3067 02:43:46.959 --> 02:43:49.879 judge on whether or not you're comfortable with it. Most 3068 02:43:49.959 --> 02:43:52.440 of us are, but we're also the kind of people 3069 02:43:52.520 --> 02:43:55.440 to happily play on NA servers with you know, Blizzards 3070 02:43:55.520 --> 02:43:57.399 version of the game. So if you're the kind of 3071 02:43:57.440 --> 02:43:59.639 person that has played on an NA server before with 3072 02:44:00.159 --> 02:44:02.559 a Wow Classic and you think that that is definitely 3073 02:44:02.559 --> 02:44:05.520 a fringe too far, then don't play Epoch. If you're like, nah, 3074 02:44:05.559 --> 02:44:09.159 that's the game's fucking unplayable, then then don't play Epoch. 3075 02:44:09.200 --> 02:44:11.360 You'll fucking hate it. But if you have played on 3076 02:44:11.520 --> 02:44:14.319 NA servers before and you're totally fine with it, you're 3077 02:44:14.360 --> 02:44:15.719 going to be totally fine with Epoch. 3078 02:44:17.000 --> 02:44:20.200 Yeah, I get I get two hundred ping, and I've 3079 02:44:20.239 --> 02:44:21.840 said this a few times. It's like, I just don't 3080 02:44:21.920 --> 02:44:25.440 understand it's a GCD based game. Like my warrior is 3081 02:44:25.520 --> 02:44:28.760 swinging his mace every three point four seconds, bro, if 3082 02:44:28.760 --> 02:44:31.680 he gives a fuck about two hundred ms, like you can't, 3083 02:44:31.760 --> 02:44:34.040 oh but your abilities. It's like, I don't know. Victory 3084 02:44:34.159 --> 02:44:37.159 Rush feels like it goes off pretty fucking quick with 3085 02:44:37.280 --> 02:44:39.879 two hundred ms when you're swinging every three and a 3086 02:44:39.920 --> 02:44:42.959 half seconds, Like, I just I don't understand the impact. 3087 02:44:43.000 --> 02:44:44.799 The only thing that pisses me off is the fucking 3088 02:44:44.840 --> 02:44:45.559 slow mailbox. 3089 02:44:45.639 --> 02:44:45.920 That's it. 3090 02:44:46.239 --> 02:44:47.959 That's the only part of the game where the ping. 3091 02:44:49.319 --> 02:44:52.799 But I just say, I certainly highly agree people, if 3092 02:44:52.840 --> 02:44:56.399 you're going to play the game, just don't turn it on. 3093 02:44:57.040 --> 02:44:59.520 Don't have an ad on that that shows your MS. 3094 02:45:00.399 --> 02:45:02.799 Yeah that was I was really skeptical at first myself, 3095 02:45:03.079 --> 02:45:07.079 and I went in with no add ons that they're 3096 02:45:07.079 --> 02:45:11.959 going to show my my MS or my fps. And yeah, 3097 02:45:11.959 --> 02:45:13.479 I'm sitting here at one hundred and ten and I 3098 02:45:13.520 --> 02:45:15.840 don't even notice, like adult. 3099 02:45:17.319 --> 02:45:18.920 The Dream twenty one. 3100 02:45:19.159 --> 02:45:24.680 Wow, But yeah, just just play it. This this this 3101 02:45:24.879 --> 02:45:27.719 is not a server you play for peak performance or 3102 02:45:27.879 --> 02:45:30.280 for a you know, as we've talked about. You don't 3103 02:45:30.319 --> 02:45:33.040 play this server for a bug free experience. You don't 3104 02:45:33.079 --> 02:45:36.200 play it for peak technical performance, you don't play it 3105 02:45:36.319 --> 02:45:38.840 for any of that shit that all the cutting edge 3106 02:45:38.920 --> 02:45:41.959 gamers need and want in their lives. You play this 3107 02:45:42.120 --> 02:45:46.799 server if you're a relatively laid back gamer who prioritizes 3108 02:45:46.920 --> 02:45:49.600 fun and vibes over everything else, because that's what this 3109 02:45:49.680 --> 02:45:50.680 server has in spades. 3110 02:45:54.799 --> 02:45:57.520 I kind of like to think of it as this 3111 02:45:57.719 --> 02:46:01.360 is like an opt in alpha if you're someone that 3112 02:46:02.159 --> 02:46:04.760 wants to figure out what you want in Classic Plus, 3113 02:46:05.600 --> 02:46:07.920 because this is the most playable version of a Classic 3114 02:46:07.920 --> 02:46:10.000 Plus right now. And I don't know, like for me, 3115 02:46:10.120 --> 02:46:12.440 it's kind of it's like my own beta test for 3116 02:46:12.520 --> 02:46:14.879 my own ideas to come play this and go that's good, 3117 02:46:14.959 --> 02:46:17.120 that's shit. I know it sounds a bit crazy, but 3118 02:46:17.600 --> 02:46:20.879 I mean we talk about this fucking this mythical version 3119 02:46:20.959 --> 02:46:25.520 of the game every week or the hypothetical. So if 3120 02:46:25.600 --> 02:46:29.440 you I've said before, fucking if you're just a C 3121 02:46:29.639 --> 02:46:34.680 plus Copium hopeful, then you should try it to see 3122 02:46:34.719 --> 02:46:36.879 if you actually like the concept, because this is the 3123 02:46:36.920 --> 02:46:38.639 most playable concept available at the moment. 3124 02:46:41.239 --> 02:46:41.920 I'm still. 3125 02:46:44.840 --> 02:46:47.959 I'm still stoked, like I've always and I know I'm 3126 02:46:48.000 --> 02:46:49.239 going to get it and I'm going to get it 3127 02:46:49.280 --> 02:46:52.360 real hard. But I've always played Gnomes. I love Gnomes. 3128 02:46:52.399 --> 02:46:54.319 I don't know why it was because I'm short and 3129 02:46:54.399 --> 02:46:56.920 fat in real life. I have no idea, but I 3130 02:46:57.040 --> 02:47:02.079 love Nobes. Like legitimately, I've always played in and the 3131 02:47:02.200 --> 02:47:07.479 new area starting a zone for Gnomes it felt a 3132 02:47:07.559 --> 02:47:11.719 little clunky in the very beginning of it, but all 3133 02:47:11.799 --> 02:47:14.399 in all, I was satisfied. I was happy, Like, you 3134 02:47:14.559 --> 02:47:17.239 get your own zone as a Gnome. You're not sharing 3135 02:47:17.280 --> 02:47:21.079 it with Dwarves, you know. So there there's another good 3136 02:47:21.120 --> 02:47:23.719 take if you happen to want to get out there 3137 02:47:23.760 --> 02:47:24.840 and try it norm at all. 3138 02:47:25.520 --> 02:47:27.120 I agree with you that I hate Nums, but I 3139 02:47:27.159 --> 02:47:29.760 want to try New Zone. It's it's really cool. 3140 02:47:29.799 --> 02:47:36.799 I enjoyed, Like I like that, Yeah, very cool. So yeah, 3141 02:47:36.799 --> 02:47:40.200 I think it's like, you know, you be well, start 3142 02:47:40.239 --> 02:47:42.399 to wind it up. But I'll just say, like on 3143 02:47:42.799 --> 02:47:50.000 on that sort of last point, you know, people would 3144 02:47:50.079 --> 02:47:53.239 be how do I put this again? It's kind of 3145 02:47:53.360 --> 02:47:57.239 the the test on what kind of a gamer are you? 3146 02:47:57.719 --> 02:48:00.600 Where you know, we see it here and we talk 3147 02:48:00.639 --> 02:48:05.280 about like the ms and we know a lot of 3148 02:48:05.360 --> 02:48:09.639 Australian Wow players, who would you know, call us fake 3149 02:48:09.760 --> 02:48:14.440 gamers and fucking idiots for daring to play a version 3150 02:48:14.520 --> 02:48:19.959 of Wow with anything over you know, fifty ms. You know, 3151 02:48:20.159 --> 02:48:22.559 when when there's a choice there and they go, so, 3152 02:48:22.680 --> 02:48:23.879 let me get this straight. You could play on a 3153 02:48:23.959 --> 02:48:26.360 local server with fucking twenty to fifty ms, or you 3154 02:48:26.399 --> 02:48:28.760 could play on a fucking North American or European server 3155 02:48:28.879 --> 02:48:31.440 with two hundred to two hundred and fifty ms, And 3156 02:48:31.559 --> 02:48:33.959 you're choosing the non local SERVI well, you're not a 3157 02:48:34.040 --> 02:48:37.200 fucking real gamer. You're a fucking idiot. Imagine, you know, 3158 02:48:37.879 --> 02:48:40.799 thinking that the gaming industry is serving you anything but 3159 02:48:41.000 --> 02:48:44.479 local ping is acceptable. And I mean, I'm just still 3160 02:48:44.600 --> 02:48:46.680 to this day I was just sort of mockingly laugh 3161 02:48:46.799 --> 02:48:50.040 at that kind of take because I'm like, like, we're 3162 02:48:50.079 --> 02:48:53.000 saying it's at the end of the day, if you 3163 02:48:53.159 --> 02:48:57.000 choose performance over fun, I don't know what to tell you, 3164 02:48:57.159 --> 02:48:58.639 and they're going to sit there and be like, but 3165 02:48:58.760 --> 02:49:01.040 performance is fun. It's like not when you're playing an 3166 02:49:01.079 --> 02:49:04.840 MMO with no people, you fucking idiot. I just epoch 3167 02:49:05.000 --> 02:49:07.799 is really and I've mentioned this in past podcasts and 3168 02:49:07.840 --> 02:49:09.680 I'll sort of hammer at Home even more in the future. 3169 02:49:10.120 --> 02:49:14.360 It's really changed my view to go in even more 3170 02:49:14.479 --> 02:49:21.799 toxic direction towards OCEE players that really do refuse to 3171 02:49:22.000 --> 02:49:25.799 leave their little island of small servers and join a 3172 02:49:25.920 --> 02:49:28.840 larger community for an MMO. And I'm going to get 3173 02:49:28.879 --> 02:49:30.680 them very upset and get some hate mail for this, 3174 02:49:30.840 --> 02:49:32.920 but like, I don't care. They're fucking weird. They're they're 3175 02:49:33.120 --> 02:49:35.239 really weird blokes when you talk to them anyway, so 3176 02:49:35.280 --> 02:49:38.479 I don't give a fuck. All the weirdest cunts are 3177 02:49:38.520 --> 02:49:41.000 the guys that are like, let's sit on our tiny 3178 02:49:41.079 --> 02:49:43.399 oce server with twenty ping and not play with the 3179 02:49:43.479 --> 02:49:47.040 rest of the world. It's like, sorry, but you're fucking weirdos, 3180 02:49:47.159 --> 02:49:49.280 Like it's not and not for that take like you 3181 02:49:49.399 --> 02:49:54.920 are just weird blokes. You are toxically weird cunts. This server, 3182 02:49:55.600 --> 02:49:58.639 the worldwide server, with everyone just getting stung a little 3183 02:49:58.639 --> 02:50:03.159 bit with ping has been incredibly fun. And no, like 3184 02:50:03.200 --> 02:50:04.959 I said, I just can't hammer this home enough, Like 3185 02:50:05.520 --> 02:50:08.879 nobody gives a fuck because we're playing an MMO with 3186 02:50:08.959 --> 02:50:12.719 a shitload of people. Nobody you don't see. I haven't 3187 02:50:12.719 --> 02:50:15.920 seen one person in general chat anywhere going fuck this 3188 02:50:16.040 --> 02:50:16.879 server in its ping. 3189 02:50:19.479 --> 02:50:21.520 Yeah, I don't see it gribes of it. I don't. 3190 02:50:21.959 --> 02:50:25.200 It's kind of just another situation of like you wish 3191 02:50:25.399 --> 02:50:29.120 it could be the way of like Original Oracle or 3192 02:50:29.159 --> 02:50:32.639 your Jamba, where yes, the server is big enough that 3193 02:50:32.799 --> 02:50:35.559 it's awesome and you get the low ping, but that's 3194 02:50:35.760 --> 02:50:40.120 just not a reality for OCE anymore. Really, That's that's 3195 02:50:40.200 --> 02:50:42.639 the glaring issue that like and they just refuse to 3196 02:50:42.680 --> 02:50:47.079 accept that reality. We're never going to have COVID Classic 3197 02:50:47.559 --> 02:50:52.319 Copium hyper fucking Chamber of fourteen thousand Australians playing a 3198 02:50:52.399 --> 02:50:55.360 version of the game anymore. It's just the it's a 3199 02:50:56.239 --> 02:50:58.760 it's a vice of the region in every fucking game, 3200 02:50:58.840 --> 02:51:02.280 Like we literally can't play pubg because there's not enough players. 3201 02:51:02.399 --> 02:51:05.639 Like it's something that I'm envious of of Like NA 3202 02:51:05.760 --> 02:51:08.760 and EU. You can play any fucking game and there's 3203 02:51:08.760 --> 02:51:11.319 still at least one full server of it of players. 3204 02:51:11.399 --> 02:51:13.719 Like you can go play Battlefield nineteen forty two and 3205 02:51:13.760 --> 02:51:17.399 there'll be forty fucking codges in a service somewhere playing here. 3206 02:51:17.520 --> 02:51:20.479 You can't have that. And even mainstream games like you 3207 02:51:20.559 --> 02:51:22.479 play Dota fucking ell you can que for like half 3208 02:51:22.479 --> 02:51:25.719 an hour sometimes before you find a match. But yeah, 3209 02:51:25.760 --> 02:51:30.760 it's just I don't understand there. They're just unwilling to 3210 02:51:30.920 --> 02:51:33.200 let go of that concept, whereas I already fucking made 3211 02:51:33.200 --> 02:51:36.200 peace with it when we had to do the SOD 3212 02:51:36.319 --> 02:51:39.399 server mergers, and I actually liked it. I really liked 3213 02:51:40.280 --> 02:51:43.440 playing an NA server, and it just it gives me 3214 02:51:43.520 --> 02:51:45.920 like casino vibes, Like it's just twenty four hours, it 3215 02:51:46.040 --> 02:51:47.239 never ends. It's kind of cool. 3216 02:51:47.280 --> 02:51:49.680 They're going through it all again now with the mob stuff, 3217 02:51:49.760 --> 02:51:52.799 and even though they're not forcing, they're not forcing the 3218 02:51:52.879 --> 02:51:56.479 merge on ocee right now. They've basically said we're gonna 3219 02:51:56.600 --> 02:51:59.120 sit back and watch the feedback, and if the feedback 3220 02:51:59.159 --> 02:52:03.360 becomes overwhelmingly positive for the merge, then guess what where. Basically, 3221 02:52:03.680 --> 02:52:05.719 I think they're saying they're effectively going to delete the 3222 02:52:05.760 --> 02:52:08.319 oce server and force them over to naping, and like 3223 02:52:08.520 --> 02:52:10.200 it's it's not going to shock people to hear that. 3224 02:52:10.360 --> 02:52:13.200 I'm okay with that, but like people are blowing up, going, 3225 02:52:13.319 --> 02:52:15.959 you can't for how dare you force us to go 3226 02:52:16.079 --> 02:52:19.959 over to naping? Blah blah blah, Like I just I can't. 3227 02:52:20.799 --> 02:52:24.600 It's it's a horrible environment. Here where they I mean, 3228 02:52:24.639 --> 02:52:26.760 and you can't fault with it, because if they said 3229 02:52:27.440 --> 02:52:30.280 it's for your own good, we're moving you, they all 3230 02:52:30.319 --> 02:52:33.120 get butt hurt. So they just open the gate to 3231 02:52:33.280 --> 02:52:36.840 the paddock next next to yours and go, you can 3232 02:52:36.959 --> 02:52:39.479 leave if you want, and then people like me leave, 3233 02:52:40.239 --> 02:52:43.319 and then that makes more people leave, and more people leave, 3234 02:52:43.520 --> 02:52:45.879 and the guys that stay yell at everyone else. 3235 02:52:45.879 --> 02:52:46.799 Left and blame everyone. 3236 02:52:48.040 --> 02:52:49.959 Yeah, you killed the server for leaving. And you just 3237 02:52:50.040 --> 02:52:53.159 go like, well, I don't have to play on an 3238 02:52:53.200 --> 02:52:55.399 Aussie server so that you have couns to play with 3239 02:52:55.559 --> 02:52:58.879 because you want four ping instead of one hundred and sixty, Like, 3240 02:52:59.559 --> 02:53:02.719 it's not my fucking problem. So and I like a 3241 02:53:02.799 --> 02:53:06.319 busy server. I would I would a thousand times choose 3242 02:53:07.319 --> 02:53:09.680 a ten k n A server over a one k 3243 02:53:09.840 --> 02:53:10.760 Aussie server. Yeah. 3244 02:53:11.799 --> 02:53:13.479 I've always said this is what this might be really 3245 02:53:13.559 --> 02:53:15.440 toxic to say a fuck it. I'm going fully in 3246 02:53:15.520 --> 02:53:19.079 on the toxic toxicity against the Oceanic community who were 3247 02:53:19.120 --> 02:53:22.959 sort of against my my thoughts on this one. But like, 3248 02:53:23.920 --> 02:53:28.360 if you raise pin in your argument about your performance 3249 02:53:28.440 --> 02:53:35.120 in game, guess what brother your ship at the game? Yeah, 3250 02:53:35.639 --> 02:53:37.719 that's its end. The fucking story. 3251 02:53:38.959 --> 02:53:42.719 It's not the highest factor too, it's not the it's 3252 02:53:42.760 --> 02:53:45.159 not the most important thing to output anyway. 3253 02:53:47.879 --> 02:53:50.280 Sorry, running a thousand things. 3254 02:53:51.680 --> 02:53:53.959 Yeah, but I'm talking about like the people who get 3255 02:53:54.000 --> 02:53:57.399 to fifty and then say no, no, no, I need 3256 02:53:57.520 --> 02:54:00.959 to get fifty. Pin. If I get to fifty, that 3257 02:54:01.200 --> 02:54:06.479 drastically affects my performance in RAID or PDP. Mate, you're bad. 3258 02:54:06.319 --> 02:54:06.760 At the game. 3259 02:54:07.159 --> 02:54:09.639 If you can't work around two hundred ping, you you 3260 02:54:09.840 --> 02:54:11.000 are bad at the game. 3261 02:54:11.360 --> 02:54:15.079 No, Josh, it's my two fifties ping fault that I 3262 02:54:15.159 --> 02:54:16.959 stood in the death of the kay for seven seconds 3263 02:54:17.000 --> 02:54:20.040 about moving. Okay, Yeah, it's it's the being's fault. 3264 02:54:20.280 --> 02:54:22.440 That quarter of a second would have made all the 3265 02:54:22.520 --> 02:54:27.399 fucking difference. Oh I didn't. I didn't get to heal 3266 02:54:27.479 --> 02:54:31.200 the tank in time. Well, brother, do you do your precast? 3267 02:54:31.399 --> 02:54:33.280 Do you fucking wait till he's a ten percent to 3268 02:54:33.319 --> 02:54:43.959 start your heal? Anyway, So guys, on that lovely note, 3269 02:54:44.799 --> 02:54:48.280 I'll basically wine this one up. Anyone speak now forever. 3270 02:54:48.319 --> 02:54:52.319 Hold your silence, Marcus, anyone something you have to say 3271 02:54:52.440 --> 02:54:53.680 to everyone while we're doing this. 3272 02:54:55.319 --> 02:54:58.840 No, I think you covered it with the OCE ping debarcle. 3273 02:55:00.159 --> 02:55:01.079 Yeah, so good. 3274 02:55:02.479 --> 02:55:05.600 I just have have a quick another quick FYI. 3275 02:55:05.959 --> 02:55:08.840 If anyone is like planning to play a rogue, yep, 3276 02:55:09.319 --> 02:55:13.159 if you uh, if you try to pickpocket or distract 3277 02:55:13.319 --> 02:55:17.120 a mob that hass lightning shield you will get to 3278 02:55:17.159 --> 02:55:18.040 removed out of stealth. 3279 02:55:20.799 --> 02:55:22.399 There you got that. 3280 02:55:22.479 --> 02:55:28.319 That's a quession for me. Very good pickpocket guys with 3281 02:55:28.479 --> 02:55:29.079 lightning shields. 3282 02:55:29.120 --> 02:55:29.840 It makes sense well. 3283 02:55:30.239 --> 02:55:34.000 Of course, speaking of immersion, service does a pretty good 3284 02:55:34.079 --> 02:55:38.000 job of litle things. Keep your mercy on the boats. 3285 02:55:38.600 --> 02:55:42.120 The boats actually rock like with the waves, yeah, I 3286 02:55:42.120 --> 02:55:45.959 thought was kind of cool. And the Yeah, the level 3287 02:55:46.040 --> 02:55:50.520 sixty racial trade quests are at least the one I 3288 02:55:50.600 --> 02:55:54.520 did was pretty uh like the themes and the lore, 3289 02:55:54.799 --> 02:55:57.879 it was pretty uh spot on and it definitely added 3290 02:55:57.959 --> 02:56:01.520 to the ad and fiel JANKI. All the rating was good. 3291 02:56:03.360 --> 02:56:04.959 Just all things like that that theyn served as well. 3292 02:56:06.120 --> 02:56:09.719 All right, guys, I wind up the podcast recording there, 3293 02:56:09.760 --> 02:56:11.719 but I'm not going to get off the stream or 3294 02:56:12.079 --> 02:56:16.840 the general voice channel. So for all your podcast listeners 3295 02:56:16.879 --> 02:56:19.000 at home, thank you so much for tuning in. We'll 3296 02:56:19.000 --> 02:56:23.159 see you next week. As always, if you're a longtime 3297 02:56:23.200 --> 02:56:24.600 listener to the show, you want to get involved with 3298 02:56:24.639 --> 02:56:29.840 what we're doing. Just whisper anyone slash who countdown, try 3299 02:56:29.879 --> 02:56:33.360 and find an officer and just you know, say the password, 3300 02:56:33.440 --> 02:56:35.120 which is I'm just saying to people, look, mate, just 3301 02:56:35.120 --> 02:56:36.719 say something that shows to me that you listened to 3302 02:56:36.760 --> 02:56:37.000 the show. 3303 02:56:37.079 --> 02:56:37.520 For a while. 3304 02:56:38.280 --> 02:56:41.760 I had a guy before who was like, you know, 3305 02:56:41.840 --> 02:56:43.559 he fell a little bit short of the password, and 3306 02:56:43.600 --> 02:56:45.559 I'm like, come on, make give me something, give me something, 3307 02:56:45.639 --> 02:56:47.440 anything that shows to me that you listen to the show. 3308 02:56:48.000 --> 02:56:50.360 And he goes, you know what, balls of Steel is 3309 02:56:50.399 --> 02:56:53.280 a great underrated guest and I go, fucking beautiful, you're in. 3310 02:56:53.440 --> 02:56:58.159 That's the password. So more of that. Everyone's doing a 3311 02:56:58.159 --> 02:57:02.440 really good job with the guilds we are. We're getting 3312 02:57:02.479 --> 02:57:04.920 a lot of sixties rolling in now. God, let me 3313 02:57:05.040 --> 02:57:08.760 just do a quick live check. We are now ADS 3314 02:57:09.799 --> 02:57:11.840 three hundred and twenty one guild members. A lot of 3315 02:57:11.879 --> 02:57:20.760 those are roults, obviously, but we're going at what one, two, three, four, six, seven, A, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 3316 02:57:21.000 --> 02:57:24.280 fifteen level sixties and I think we have over fifty 3317 02:57:24.360 --> 02:57:28.639 people over level forty. That's a fucking little raid team 3318 02:57:28.719 --> 02:57:29.600 coming together there. 3319 02:57:32.000 --> 02:57:34.680 I love it. Yeah, it's coming along nicely and there 3320 02:57:35.639 --> 02:57:39.079 I will. I will get my shit in order in 3321 02:57:39.280 --> 02:57:42.840 about a week's time for guild operations since there are 3322 02:57:42.959 --> 02:57:45.319 actually enough committed players to maybe do some shit. 3323 02:57:45.479 --> 02:57:48.200 Yep, so you Biquitus, it was it was a it 3324 02:57:48.239 --> 02:57:48.399 was a. 3325 02:57:48.399 --> 02:57:50.799 Wait and see situation. But now that you know there 3326 02:57:50.920 --> 02:57:51.799 is so many people. 3327 02:57:51.680 --> 02:57:53.200 We've seen enough kind of going ham. 3328 02:57:53.559 --> 02:57:56.760 Yeah, I'll sort some channels out and we'll do some 3329 02:57:56.959 --> 02:57:58.399 sign ups and stuff to do stuff. 3330 02:57:58.559 --> 02:58:00.600 Yeah, and this is where, like, guys, I'm not saying 3331 02:58:00.639 --> 02:58:03.200 this tongue in cheek like Ubiquitous really is this. He 3332 02:58:03.399 --> 02:58:05.440 is running the show, and I'm not saying that to 3333 02:58:05.600 --> 02:58:07.639 like pass the work to him. But I've said to 3334 02:58:07.680 --> 02:58:10.959 you guys for years now, I'm not a guild leader. 3335 02:58:11.120 --> 02:58:12.760 I'm not that kind of guy. I don't have it 3336 02:58:12.840 --> 02:58:15.840 in me. UB's doing a fantastic job, and he's going 3337 02:58:15.920 --> 02:58:18.200 to spiff everything up and whip up discord channels and 3338 02:58:18.239 --> 02:58:20.239 ship like that and sign up sheets and all that stuff. 3339 02:58:20.280 --> 02:58:23.200 So we will turn into you know, a real guild 3340 02:58:23.319 --> 02:58:25.000 if we are a real guilt real guild now, but 3341 02:58:25.079 --> 02:58:28.639 we'll turn into a real rating guild. The biggest thing 3342 02:58:28.680 --> 02:58:30.920 I've said to Ubi is my only request is the 3343 02:58:31.040 --> 02:58:34.360 non guild leader is just to keep the vibes, like, 3344 02:58:34.840 --> 02:58:37.120 we don't want to go full Arcos. You never go 3345 02:58:37.280 --> 02:58:41.479 full Arcos. We're just just just keeping things fucking you know, 3346 02:58:41.840 --> 02:58:45.600 good and fun and at the pub. And I'll leave 3347 02:58:45.600 --> 02:58:47.319 everything else up to him to sort out, you know. 3348 02:58:47.479 --> 02:58:52.200 Arcos is is you know, going to try and fucking 3349 02:58:52.680 --> 02:58:56.120 make the guild go fucking cutting edge. But we'll try. 3350 02:58:56.520 --> 02:58:58.879 We'll do our best not to have it go silly. 3351 02:58:59.360 --> 02:59:02.639 Your send your applications to him to join Speed Team A. 3352 02:59:03.920 --> 02:59:05.920 He's the only member of it at the moment. Yeah, exactly, 3353 02:59:05.920 --> 02:59:08.399 he might reject everybody. He'll just be a one man team. 3354 02:59:08.239 --> 02:59:12.760 Exactly all application. But we may we may have multiple 3355 02:59:12.879 --> 02:59:15.319 raid teams. We'll see. Like we said, we've already got 3356 02:59:15.399 --> 02:59:19.040 fifteen level sixties four weeks into the service. So if 3357 02:59:19.200 --> 02:59:23.360 if all the fifty people over level forty ding sixty 3358 02:59:23.399 --> 02:59:25.440 in the next three to four weeks, like that's two 3359 02:59:25.600 --> 02:59:26.159 raid teams. 3360 02:59:28.000 --> 02:59:31.360 Yeah, and we'll I mean, we're probably going to have 3361 02:59:31.479 --> 02:59:33.879 enough people to have an NA team and an EU team, 3362 02:59:34.079 --> 02:59:37.120 or it depends. Maybe we'd rather do a mixed bag 3363 02:59:37.200 --> 02:59:40.639 and it'll be like Morning Raiders and Night raiders from 3364 02:59:40.639 --> 02:59:44.200 across the world all at the same time. Like, I'm 3365 02:59:44.280 --> 02:59:47.440 kind of liking the chaos of it, and yeah, it's 3366 02:59:47.440 --> 02:59:47.879 going to happen. 3367 02:59:48.040 --> 02:59:50.520 I was thinking, well, keep going. Yeah, we'll talk about 3368 02:59:50.520 --> 02:59:51.959 this more later down the track. But I was thinking, 3369 02:59:52.000 --> 02:59:57.479 in an ideal world, you could have like and at 3370 02:59:57.600 --> 03:00:01.879 one team doing the like quote unquote best combination time 3371 03:00:02.000 --> 03:00:05.120 for EU and NA to raid, and then you could 3372 03:00:05.120 --> 03:00:08.959 have a secondary team that maybe the Aussies could get 3373 03:00:09.000 --> 03:00:12.319 in on where it's like sort of okay for all 3374 03:00:12.440 --> 03:00:16.000 three regions and we can chop and change and do whatever. 3375 03:00:17.639 --> 03:00:21.440 Yeah, And I don't know, I can't imagine the content 3376 03:00:21.600 --> 03:00:24.319 is going to be that hard, so like we should 3377 03:00:24.440 --> 03:00:27.760 just be able to slap a group together and do stuff. 3378 03:00:27.840 --> 03:00:31.200 But we'll see. I'm sure there's enough of you guys 3379 03:00:31.360 --> 03:00:33.879 playing all around the fucking clock that from what I 3380 03:00:34.000 --> 03:00:37.520 see checking the discord every day, we should be able to. 3381 03:00:38.200 --> 03:00:41.840 We'll just forego region identities and just put times and 3382 03:00:41.959 --> 03:00:44.600 be like, are you the like just have three raid 3383 03:00:44.680 --> 03:00:49.280 teams at every eight hour intervals? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, 3384 03:00:50.399 --> 03:00:52.479 it'll just be like raid for twenty four hours. 3385 03:00:52.639 --> 03:00:57.840 Yeah, but the having one to a Friday night EU 3386 03:00:58.159 --> 03:01:02.159 na slash Saturday Morning o CE Raid would be that'll 3387 03:01:02.200 --> 03:01:03.760 be the fun one. That'll be the pub run. 3388 03:01:04.280 --> 03:01:06.600 Yeah yeah, I think that might end up being the 3389 03:01:06.680 --> 03:01:11.440 most popular. I'm unsure of other people's Friday night like 3390 03:01:11.520 --> 03:01:15.639 availability consistently, but Friday nights have always been the easiest, 3391 03:01:15.840 --> 03:01:18.440 Like just fucking chuck us in there and RAID kind 3392 03:01:18.479 --> 03:01:22.079 of vibe anyway. So now we'll try and get our 3393 03:01:22.120 --> 03:01:25.280 shit organized and there might be might try and make 3394 03:01:25.319 --> 03:01:27.239 an epoch roll or something for the discord so I 3395 03:01:27.280 --> 03:01:28.680 can ping everyone easier and stuff like that. 3396 03:01:28.760 --> 03:01:31.200 Yeah, for sure, for sure. All right, guys, I'll end 3397 03:01:31.399 --> 03:01:35.479 the podcast recording there. Thank you so much for tuning 3398 03:01:35.559 --> 03:01:40.520 in everyone, And that's the episode for today. Everyone, Thank 3399 03:01:40.559 --> 03:01:42.600 you so much for listening to all of that. 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The twenty and ten dollar patron per month, 3410 03:02:27.120 --> 03:02:29.559 then the five dollar and two dollars and one dollar patrons, 3411 03:02:29.600 --> 03:02:31.559 thank you so much. You're all the best. I love 3412 03:02:31.600 --> 03:02:35.120 you just as much, but obviously I love the guys 3413 03:02:35.159 --> 03:02:36.840 paying a little bit more, a little bit more than that, 3414 03:02:37.120 --> 03:02:41.440 But thank you. Guys. Look, you've all just blown away 3415 03:02:41.520 --> 03:02:43.879 my expectations for this guild, every single one of you 3416 03:02:44.000 --> 03:02:47.959 involved in what's going on with countdown on Project Epoch again. 3417 03:02:48.040 --> 03:02:50.719 We're now a month into this thing and the guild 3418 03:02:50.920 --> 03:02:57.600 is a delight. Everyone is so polite, fun, interesting, intelligent 3419 03:02:57.840 --> 03:03:01.239 and just like decent at the game. And just you know, 3420 03:03:02.040 --> 03:03:05.120 I've started running sixty dungeons with people and everyone's just 3421 03:03:05.360 --> 03:03:08.440 chill and yeah there's wipes, but there's laughs and there's 3422 03:03:08.760 --> 03:03:11.360 a bit of answer and giving each other some fun shit. 3423 03:03:11.559 --> 03:03:14.680 But like it's all really fun, positive vibes. At the 3424 03:03:14.760 --> 03:03:18.000 end of the day, guys, this is the most fun 3425 03:03:18.520 --> 03:03:21.920 I have ever had playing World of Warcraft. Full stop, 3426 03:03:22.440 --> 03:03:25.120 and it's because of the you know, the game is great, 3427 03:03:25.200 --> 03:03:27.479 but the social side of things has never been better 3428 03:03:27.559 --> 03:03:30.479 for me. This is the culmination of year's worth of 3429 03:03:30.600 --> 03:03:33.559 investment in the Countdownd of Classic community, and you guys 3430 03:03:33.600 --> 03:03:36.159 are paying it back to me, you know, a thousandfold 3431 03:03:36.280 --> 03:03:40.120 through your you know, just kindness and being amazing people. 3432 03:03:40.280 --> 03:03:43.319 So I really I just want to say really heartfelt 3433 03:03:43.399 --> 03:03:46.040 thank you to all of you who have given Epoker 3434 03:03:46.120 --> 03:03:49.399 go and who have engaged with me socially. You know, 3435 03:03:49.639 --> 03:03:52.399 ninety nine point nine percent of you have been ten 3436 03:03:52.479 --> 03:03:55.239 out of ten. You know, you guys are the best 3437 03:03:55.680 --> 03:03:58.760 I've traveled the world. I've met some of you in person. 3438 03:03:58.920 --> 03:04:00.600 You've all been amazing when I meet up with you. 3439 03:04:00.840 --> 03:04:03.600 With you in person and you're the same online. People 3440 03:04:03.680 --> 03:04:05.559 just grabbing me and saying, hey, Josh, how are you 3441 03:04:05.719 --> 03:04:08.520 nice to meet you? Longtime listener. You know, you guys 3442 03:04:08.600 --> 03:04:11.479 never let me down. You're all awesome people. So if 3443 03:04:11.520 --> 03:04:13.959 I keep talking, I'm gonna get emotional. So I'll stop here. 3444 03:04:14.319 --> 03:04:16.680 But one day I'll say maybe even even an even 3445 03:04:16.760 --> 03:04:19.520 bigger thank you. But guys, get on it. If you 3446 03:04:19.559 --> 03:04:22.399 haven't got on it yet, Epoch is just fucking great. 3447 03:04:24.280 --> 03:04:26.879 You know, it's it's it's the countdown thing that is 3448 03:04:26.959 --> 03:04:30.600 making it quite frankly, I can't stress that enough. You know, 3449 03:04:30.760 --> 03:04:33.120 the server's great, that the content is ten out of ten, 3450 03:04:34.319 --> 03:04:37.319 but you know, it's the social side of things that's 3451 03:04:37.360 --> 03:04:39.600 willing it all together. So hopefully we'll see you in 3452 03:04:39.719 --> 03:04:41.479 game and i'll talk to you in the next episode.