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Speaker 1: I just thought that's funny. There's nothing more to that story.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, look the whole listen, there's only one Slate queen.

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That's all. That's the that's the takeaway. The real Ediva

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is right here. That's the takeaway to all y'all goobers

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in the chat right now, All right, let's open it

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back up. Nick is calling Nick Verge. What's up, dude,

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She cried, I gotta figure out how to take how

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to uh. We gotta have some drama. That's only the

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other way to uh to grow in the media. Who's butt?

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Am I touching? Nick? Whose butt? Do I need a

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touch to cause drama to get an audience?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I got some drama for you, man, Okay, bring it.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 3: I got a buddy of mine, he was Protestant. We

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started talking on Instagram and I just started sending him

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some of your debates and slowly but surely became a Catechuman.

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And he just sent me this. I just met, had

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to do it. But he just got back from like

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his first Catechism meeting, and they have a list of

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all the different resources for them. I just DM you

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it and it says pages to be cautious of Orthodox ethos.

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Jay Dyer, father Moses McPherson.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. And this is a Protestant thing. No,

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this is an Orthodox Yeah. Good. I am more and

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more enjoying being on the warning list. Do you know

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what kind of church it does? O? C A.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure on that front. It's not Russian, so

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I can say that much.

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Speaker 1: Beware. I think it's in Kansas. Beware because I don't

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know why, because of Ortho Bros. Horny wigger, this is

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my all profile. Somebody the other day thought that's a

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stoner laugh. Y'all don't know the difference between a stoner

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laugh and a whigger laugh. Stoner laughs, yeah, and a

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wigger lives.

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Speaker 1: What's up, horny wigger? Well, he's too he's too horny.

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He can't connect. There's he's got too much hintie on

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his screen. You gotta turn back out on the hinta

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nasty stuff, Joey, what's up? Wiggers are stoners? That's true.

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like the hippie dude and then there's like the wigger dude,

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and you do get an overlap. Of that sometimes, Joey,

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what's it? Nobody can connect what the heck is going on?

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I am the Emperor of wigs antheum correct PDX, what's up, dude?

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Yeah there is? I know there is overlap with the wiggerstoner.

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Speaker 4: Hey, what up?

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Speaker 5: Jay?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to say, thanks for teaching me a

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lot about geopolitics. You've kind of deepened a lot of

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my horizons on it. I'm gen z On only twenty

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eight and pretty much a lot of like what I

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understood was pretty much just basic kind of surface level.

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that also doesn't help.

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Speaker 7: This is kind of like basic surface level, and you've

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kind of helping kind of broaden my horizons and understanding

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to like a lot of deeper levels of deep, deeper

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level things.

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Speaker 1: Thanks dude.

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Speaker 8: So I really appreciate that doing all the reading that

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we don't have to, So thank you. And also I

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really appreciate you helping kind of open my eyes up

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to the Church being Israel and like what really is

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you know, what Israel is and what it you know,

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what it means to be a Jew, you know, and

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leading me into the scriptures, and so that's been super

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helpful because this nation state, or do I not? What

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does it mean to be a part of Israel? And

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so I really appreciate you kind of like breaking that

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down to understand like the Church, the Orthodox Church, the

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Kingdom of Heaven, God's Kingdom, you know, is Israel, and

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we are baptized into that, we are grafted into that,

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and we are all adopted, you know, as Abraham. I

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Speaker 1: And so thanks for you know, a lot of appreciate that.

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By the way, I forgot the best stoner laugh is

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actually Matthew mcconnaey. He has the authentic stoner laugh. Check

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it out. That's why I clipped it in my songs.

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Speaker 2: So my son was he was headed off to camp

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Speaker 9: He shared a really cool thing.

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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, what do you open to get from this?

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Speaker 10: He said, goy, bye, I just want to meet new people.

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Speaker 1: That is the ultimate perfect stoner snicker with it. So

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I put it in the song. Dude, I clipped it.

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a lot of cool things in the world. D even

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notice had Daniel, what's up, hey, Jake?

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Speaker 11: Hey, Hey, So I just had two questions, one kind

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of about theology. There's more along lines of like you're

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just like advice to young men. I was watching some

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just soul scripture. It just makes no sense.

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Speaker 11: But the arguments against against the Orientals and the Catholics

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are they as like resoundingly the base of this is

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broken where it just can't work like that, And yeah,

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us doesn't necessarily make it better, because you know, to

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be outside the church is still outside the church. So

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it's like, yeah, there's more in common, but it's still

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you know, it's like saying like, well, is uh, you know,

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is Tony Soprano like closer to Orthodoxy? Well, I mean

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they're both not Orthodox, you know what I mean. So

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the wrong question, right, because it's not really a question

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Speaker 11: That makes sense because yeah, I was talking to my

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mom about it, and like she was looking at churches

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in her area and it's like it's like, oh, well,

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this is this church, and I'm like, no, if the

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cops don't go to.

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Speaker 11: I'm in my third year of a psychology degree. And

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the more I studied it, the more I've realized that

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it's just like retarded socialists, like Jewish.

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like I you know, I kind of like it's it's

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but I have this twenty five huge debt looming over

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my head and I can I'm trying to get into

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the field and all that still just because it's you know,

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I have the degree, some might as well use it

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or I will have the degree. But my question is,

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just like would you say that it would be a

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good idea to just like full bore, Like I know

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you're not a financial advisor, but like just full b

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or pay this thing off so I can start investing

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and doing all this and get into all this. Or

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should I invest a part of it and put part

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of it into the student.

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Speaker 1: Loan and all that. No, So the great thing about

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student loans, and I went through all this is that

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you can always you can defer those a good while,

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what I would do is put that off as long

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as possible and buy BTC. And you know, if you

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I'll just tell you what I do, what I think

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whiting when Big one hit one hundred and twenty whatever,

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one thousand, oh and then you no one. You should

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nobody's buying. It's going to go to zero and I'm

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of what the market is doing. That's what smart money does,

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the opposite of what dumb dumbs do. The dumb dumbs

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dump it when it's going down, right, But you do

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what you want to do. Now, if you want to

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get started with bitcoin, if you go to the show description,

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you can sign up here with my where's it a

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referral link for swan Bitcoin. Swan Bitcoin is a bitcoin

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only company. There's a link right there. Yeah, so all

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smart and they knew this from the stock market, and

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once they came into bitcoin, they just did the same

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thing they did with the stock market, where they they

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shake people out and then buy it up. So we

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didn't get one fifty. I thought we would see one

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fifty or two hundred. We didn't get it. It looks

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like the bare trend is in. So we're in. We're

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now out of the the bullmarket. We're into the bear market.

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bear market. Now, I can't tell you what to do,

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but I'm saying that's how I approach it. That's my belief.

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The bear market is where things are cheap. Right, So

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if we go into a bear market for the cycle, well,

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good news. Now you've got time to stack before it

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goes to one. What's up, dude, dosign? What's up?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Hello, Sorry I was muted. Okay, what's up? What's on

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your mind?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: You know this was a while ago, you know that

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like complete bomb professor.

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Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah, the smug one. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: I figured out you know what I think it's called bracketing,

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is you know, a huge earle. So one of the

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biggest like complete the feeders of evolution. And I think

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this is an original argument. I think, I mean someone

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Is that evolution requires this notion of death, right of

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dying of the animal dying, and so that's why it

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has to you know, evolves to survive.

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Speaker 8: But what is death?

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Speaker 4: Because when you see things through a sensory angle and

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see anything die. You know, the animal just kind of

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lies down and it turns into a bunch of other stuff, right.

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what he says at the end, which I totally disagree with.

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sensory things, turn into new sensory things. Right, So from

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the most empirical standpoint, wouldn't you just assume some kind

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of form of reincarnation. So where the hell does this

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this concept called death come from. It's not there in

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sensory appearances. You never see anything.

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Speaker 1: Die, right, It's an interpretation of the events. Yeah, and.

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Speaker 4: Before you can get any sensory events. Monty I think

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Speaker 1: About this pont phenomenologist.

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it's a retention, which means like memory, and then pro tension,

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which is anticipation based off of what you've remembered. Right, well,

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memory is not an empirical thing, you know, you can't

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measure memory, and so in order to for the materialist

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and naturalist what ever, to even describe a lawful set

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of things occurring in the external world is to presuppose

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that this mental activity that is in your mind not

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insensory things, exists universally everywhere, and that everything, all external

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objects possess in them this unempirical substance that is memory

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and anticipation based off of prior memory.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yea, And yeah, these are great lines of critique. I

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like it. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Another thing is, so I read that paper I think

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you mentioned it, I looked it up and I read

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 4: Is that the one where where Maximus the Confessor kind

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of implicitly kind of it's almost like the person to

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Speaker 1: I don't think Maximus would say that.

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other What what was it?

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a conversation. But usually when this comes up, it ends

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up being a referenced the Stephen Clark paper on Maximus

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and neo Platonism. But I don't remember. I mean, there's

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no way Saint Maximus wouldn't say unless I reference the

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other paper about Eunomianism neo Platonism. But you're saying Maximus,

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I just don't remember. I'm sorry. Oh, okay, got you?

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Speaker 4: I thought it had to do with something about the

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gnomic will and how the noomic will kind of doesn't

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he implicitly imply it kind.

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Speaker 1: Of Maximus talks about that a lot, but no, he

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just says Christ doesn't possess the noomic will. Okay, got you? Yeah?

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thinking that we're talking about is Maximus the Confessor of

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Logos and Logi by Stephen Clark. Mm hm is that it?

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I'm not sure which paper that is.

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Speaker 4: Then, Yeah, have you read Nietzsche. I've also been reading

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Nietzsche recently too.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read like Genealogy of Morals at Cahelmo Anti

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Christ It's a couple other things that had a grad

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class just on Nietzsche. Oh got you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think Nichche's is very like Surprisingly, he's

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pretty consistent with his ideology because obviously the modern like

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people who they like, hold completely contradictory positions, right, so

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they went to say that, oh, everything's just scientism, you know,

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it's just meaningless blods, but then simultaneously appealed to these

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higher moral values.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: And then obviously, as you know, Niche heavily critiques that.

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liberals think Niche is their guy. He they think he's

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on their side because he critiques Christianity is heavily right.

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the Idols. Yeah, I'm not even joking. His critique of

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Socrates is a phizy. Uh, it's physiognomy, says that o

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Socrates was ugly.

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Speaker 1: That's a reputation that's funny. Yeah, yeahs She's actually an

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insightful person that Christians should read. So I think people

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get surprised when I say that. But we shouldn't be

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afraid of Nietzsche because really what he's critiquing is like gay,

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you know, like liberal, the rise of liberal Protestanism in

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his day. So the ritique doesn't really even apply to like,

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you know, classic worth Arx Christianity. That's why he's Actually,

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he's actually insightful in a lot of his his critiques. Czarist,

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what's up, man, But thank you for those insights. Appreciate that.

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BJ says, I don't know who's right about the Candace stuff,

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but it's all entertaining. We don't need the government to

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give us bread and circuses. We can make our own

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bread and circuses from the drama exactly, Nutmeg Donkey, five dollars.

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Candace be the type of the type of girl to

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imply you murdered her friend on a dream and intuition

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astrology level woman in pistemology. That's funny, Kendred Dale, five dollars.

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I love your stuff. God blessed, Thank you. Michael two dollars,

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Thank you so much, Kindred. What's up? Orthodoxy Emotion two dollars? Jay,

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you booted me from the stream on accident. I'm Joey. No,

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if your thing doesn't connect sometimes I'll just remove you

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because if it just sits there spinning, that means that

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your connection is not connecting. Czarist, what's up, hey day?

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I had a really quick question to ask you.

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Speaker 12: Lately.

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Speaker 15: I've been seeing people post on Twitter here about polygamy

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and they're trying to argue for the position, and I

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was curious, do you know if, like any canons or

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any councils that specifically condemn it verbatim. I know that

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there's some church fathers that read like Turtullian. I know

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Justin Martyr talks about.

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Speaker 1: It, but well, yeah, the canon, the canons of Orthodox

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Church tell you that you can only marry one one woman.

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that is our canonical tradition. You know, the canons that

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deal with divorce and remarriage also shed light on this issue.

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But I assume you're talking about like the Protestant guys

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that are trying to sort of revive that there's one

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Protestant due that went viral for his name over this issue.

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But I mean Christ has the ability to uh, since

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he's the one that gave the law, and he made

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a concession under Mosaic law, he has the one to

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also rescind that concession.

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Speaker 15: No totally, And a lot of times I've dealt with them,

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I've used kind of the argument using Luke ten sixteen

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kind of as like the apostles have authority, it's binding

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by Christ, right. It says basically, if you listen to them.

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Speaker 1: You listen to me.

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Speaker 15: If you check them, you check me and the one right,

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It's kind of the basis and then going from there.

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So I've been trying to argue out from that and

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find like specific councils, but I have found some father

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So I just didn't know if there was like any

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specific council that had like a condemnation of it.

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Speaker 1: I knew, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there is a

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canonical I just don't off the top of my head,

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like what, what's where specifically polygamy is verbally I meant

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this sounds like a very Protestant argument too, like like

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you can't draw an inference like oh, if the word

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polygamy isn't mentioned, then it's not you know what I mean,

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Speaker 15: A don't totally. I just wanted the most airtight argument.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chad, what's up, dude? I appreciate that. Candice the

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popa Yakubians. How dare you speak in such a way.

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There's only one pope of the Yakubians and you're on

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his livestream right now? Chad? What's up? Atheists? Makes atheists

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cannot make sense? Your livestream is late. It's uh. A

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wizard arrives precisely when he tends to, and he's never

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relate JT. What's up? He wants to talk about Joe's witnesses.

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What's up, dude? Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 2: I was just a guy messaging about the cult stuff

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and JW's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, what's that? What's on your mind?

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Speaker 2: I just like, I think it's just the Typically when

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people stay calt, aren't they like referring to like an

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infallible leader that is taking advantage of a bunch of people,

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either like financially, you know, sexually, that kind of thing.

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I just don't see where JW's spin.

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Speaker 1: No, there's nothing about a cult that requires it to

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have one single fallible leader. You could have a decentralized cult. Okay,

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So I mean I think usually when people talk about cults,

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they usually pick out, you know, various commonalities that many

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known cults do have, right, Like, you know, controlling of

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the person's life in an extremeessive way, irrational rules and

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laws that don't make any sense, but you do them

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to just sort of show obedience. You can have decentralized

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cult leaders that aren't like at the top of the

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you know, it's not like the every cult has to

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have a pope or something. I mean, you could have

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you know, like some of like scientology. You could have

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one leader, but then like you know, underlings that are

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also cult leaders. So there's no I think the disconnect

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is that you're saying, well, Jehovah's Witnesses share some similarities

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with Catholicism or Protestantism or whatever. Then how can you

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call Jo's witness as a cult and not call all

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these other things cults? Well, what defines a cult is

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going to be coming from the right or wrong paradigm. Right,

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So in other words, if Orthodoxy's true, then we are

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correct in calling Joah's witnesses a cult, and the fact

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that there's some elements that Joe's witnesses do in common

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with other religions doesn't excuse it from being cult, right, Okay.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense. I guess then what I wonder is

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like what you're actually saying.

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Speaker 1: Or like okay, so how about this? How about here

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you go Charles Tay's. Russell creates a new translation of

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the Scriptures that says Jesus is a God and denies

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fundamental ideas like the atonement, like the death on the Cross,

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like the Trinity, and those are easy immediate cult markers

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right there. No different than Joseph to Joseph Smith, same thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but like you you would, like Vicky would, or

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they would obviously have like biblical backing, for.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that they don't have a Bible. As

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I said to you in response to your questions, they

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have a new world translation that he came up with

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that interjects that Jesus is a god. Can you show

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me any scripture prior to any textual tradition prior to

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that recognized in the Christian world that affirms that Jesus

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is a god? And John one?

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Speaker 2: No, I get Okay, Look I get like your your

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theological objections, and I'm not going to really.

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Speaker 1: Be able to I know, I don't really it's not

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my theological objection. You don't think that's true?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm just.

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Speaker 1: Saying, do you know what the New World translation is?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, so you understand like its most controversial element

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is John one right, yes, okay, can you give an

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example of it? Can you give an example of any text?

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Just like I would ask a Mormon about Genesis fifty, because,

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for example, Mormons, they have a Joseph Smith translation where

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Joseph Smith wrote himself into Genesis fifty as a prophet.

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Right now, if you, as a Jehovah's witness person, I'm

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not saying you specifically, but for the sake of argument,

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if a Jovah's witness could recognize that that's a fraudulent

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action on the part of Joseph Smith, how is it

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not the same identical type of fraudulent action when John One,

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for the Joe's witnesses, calls Jesus a god, you're a

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polytheist if there's more than one God?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean John one one specifically, Like their argument

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is about has to do with the definitive article not

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being on that second, right, Like, there's a grammatical like

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reason why there, And I get it's because they're already

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coming in with the belief that the Trinity is kind

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of like a made of things, so.

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Speaker 9: Like obviously they would choose to translate.

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Speaker 11: It that way.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. So where in the history of

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any of Christianity prior to this was this, any textual tradition.

470
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,960
You're not understanding the argument. I know that the Just hush, dude, listen,

471
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000
I know that theologically you think they have a defense.

472
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,640
That's not the argument I'm making. Set that aside for

473
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,160
a moment. I'm saying, look at Joseph. Look at Joseph

474
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,599
Smith's action with Genesis, right, he puts himself into Genesis fifty.

475
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,039
Where prior to Joseph Smith, is there a Genesis fifty

476
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,440
with Joseph Smith predicted nowhere? Okay? Yeah, Where prior to

477
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,279
the Joe's Witness translation that we're going to trust Charles

478
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,440
Day's Russell and Judge Reinhold or whatever his name is,

479
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:35,720
Judge whatever, Judge Judy the successor to him, Where is

480
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:39,279
that prior to that? And then you touch it? Okay,

481
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,160
so do you see them that this is a clear indicator,

482
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:44,759
a red flag for a cult leader.

483
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,039
Speaker 2: Okay, but but like just one second on that, like

484
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,880
they would say that there are other reasons, like like

485
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taking the entire context of the Bible.

486
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,519
Speaker 1: Okay that have you read Hebrews one? No, I look, Jay,

487
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:00,920
I'm not arguing for it. I'm just I'm just I

488
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,880
know that you're not. And I'm telling you that to

489
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,279
just say, well, there's other texts, other things. This is

490
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:09,720
sort of this is a deflection because what other texts?

491
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:13,160
Where is the where is the argument for Jesus being

492
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,079
a lesser deity? Where's these other texts?

493
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: Like what thing that they would make those arguments?

494
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,079
Speaker 1: I know that you're saying that.

495
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,519
Speaker 2: Like my my main question here about even just the

496
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,440
idea of a cult is that like why are you

497
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:35,759
willing to call like I get that you think that

498
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:36,119
are you?

499
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,279
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make me into you of it.

500
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,279
Like I've literally answered every one of your questions with

501
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,079
absolute precision multiple times and you just keep repeating the

502
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:47,160
same point. So you're apparently not getting it. I said you,

503
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,640
I said again, there are key indications. No, you're not.

504
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:54,799
There are key indicators and markers such as the example

505
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,359
that we just gave with Joseph Smith and Genesis fifty

506
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000
and Charles tay Russell and John One. That's one example

507
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,160
of an indicator of a cult where a new guy

508
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,079
pops up and says, everybody before me got it wrong.

509
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,200
I'm the new guy who's figured it all out. That's

510
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,359
a key indicator of a cult. Okay.

511
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,519
Speaker 2: I think that is a great point, and it's like

512
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,480
a very good argument for them.

513
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: Being a cult.

514
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: But like I'm not necessarily asking you, like like.

515
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:26,799
Speaker 3: I bring up there.

516
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: Their argument that like the whole Bible would would.

517
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: Uh, that's not an argument. That is a deflection when

518
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,680
I start going to the other places in the whole

519
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,240
Bible that also teach this doctrin Youerson, I did a

520
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:45,599
three hour talk against Shoe's witnesses on the Trinity in

521
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,000
the Old Testament. If the Old Testament he is the Trinity,

522
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,480
then the whole Bible where Futre chose witness No, I know,

523
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:53,960
you just keep saying, I know, I know, I know.

524
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,559
So then what does your argument that they would say

525
00:29:57,559 --> 00:29:59,880
the whole Bible teaches against it. That's not an argument.

526
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:01,160
Do you understand that's a deflection.

527
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 12: Also, everybody outside of Job's witness identify them as a cult,

528
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,359
so it's not just Orthodox.

529
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:16,079
Speaker 1: Everybody does.

530
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:21,279
Speaker 12: Like, so we're all wrong about that they're a cult.

531
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 16: No, no, no, I'm not.

532
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,759
Speaker 2: Even like like, I'm not even saying you're technically wrong

533
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,640
that it's all I'm just saying, like, what are we

534
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,400
actually saying here?

535
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,519
Speaker 1: Because like, so again, bro, I'm not sorry, You're you're

536
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,880
too You're this is too slow, man, You're I have

537
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,799
answered this multiple times. I'm going to answer it again.

538
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:44,039
There's no self evident idea of what a cult is

539
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,319
that a dictionary will tell you so that you can

540
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,200
identify every cult. It's going to be dependent upon the

541
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,480
paradigm that you have. So if I'm Orthodox, then ultimately

542
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200
I'm going to think that things like those witnesses or

543
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,559
scientology can are cults, and I will think that things

544
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,319
like rom Catholicism or perhaps even Protestant pastors can be

545
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,440
cult like. So you're not understanding paradigms in the way

546
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,640
that they work. And I answer that literally in everyone

547
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,039
your supertenz and four times I'm not sure to me me, man,

548
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:17,599
It's just like I think when we answer stuff. People

549
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,880
don't stop and listen to the answers, and they're already

550
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,480
thinking of what they want to spout out next, not

551
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,839
listening to what I just said. That's super frustrating for

552
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,559
people like myself. When you don't listen to what I

553
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,960
just explained to you, you can have ample time to

554
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,079
move on and work through the next topic that you

555
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,880
want to talk about. But if you don't listen to

556
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,440
the explanations, I'm not going to keep talking to you

557
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,599
because you're not listening, there's no point in me continuing

558
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,680
to do that. I was invited on a person's podcast

559
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,359
the other day. She asked me the same question four

560
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:58,319
times in a row within thirty minutes. I answered every

561
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,039
time with precision and new wants, and at no point

562
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:05,200
did she listen to any of the four answers before

563
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,559
repeating and spitting out what she wanted to say next.

564
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,799
That's not a debate, that's not a dialogue. That's you

565
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,839
doing propaganda, and that's not a conversation. So we can

566
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:17,839
have a debate or conversation, it doesn't matter me. You

567
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,279
do whatever you want. You can tell me, hey, I

568
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:21,400
want to come out of a debate, Hey I want

569
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,400
to have a conversation. And again I appreciate your superchest,

570
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,920
but every time you asked me that, I answered you

571
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,079
with the exact same thing. Jehovah's witnesses have certain characteristics

572
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:37,200
and qualities which identify them as cults and cult like

573
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,079
just like Mormons, just like scientology. And I started listing

574
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:45,160
them and you said, well, they have an answer from

575
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,920
the Bible. Okay, let's go to the Bible. Well, I

576
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,839
don't care about your theology from the Bible, because that's

577
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,000
what they would say. You're missing the whole point. You're

578
00:32:51,039 --> 00:33:00,000
not getting it, juice box, what's up? I set us up, dude.

579
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 13: So I come from a more like non uh, non

580
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,319
denominational Chrismatic background, and I understand that the Orthodox they

581
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:11,119
don't think that like miracles don't exist or.

582
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: Whatever however Protestantial frame it.

583
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:16,119
Speaker 13: But like in the chrismatic circles, they they're really into

584
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,559
like like the healing and the laying on of hands

585
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,400
and of all that kind of stuff. What would you

586
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,960
what does the Orthodox think of those kind of chrismatic miracles?

587
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,119
Speaker 1: Wait, just a bunch of bull crap. I have a

588
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:29,240
multiple podcasts kind of working through all of the charismatic stuff.

589
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:33,000
Appreciate that. Christier. What's up demonic? Yeah, yeah, I think

590
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,119
that's that that too exactly. So, by the way, for

591
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,079
those that are interested, I have a uh we have

592
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,319
a two hour talk here. Oh hello, just a minute,

593
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,319
hold on, just a second, two hour talk? Can you

594
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:50,160
just a minute, bro? So hush, chewing in my ear, dude,

595
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,559
only I get the chew in your ear and spit

596
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:56,599
and make noises. Uh. There is the link right there

597
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,000
for Trinity in the Old Testament. This is just Genesis

598
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,240
and Exodus. Okay. Now there's a part two for members

599
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,000
that goes to the rest of the Torah. Here is

600
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:11,440
another talk some years earlier, a three hour talk refuting

601
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:15,320
Joba's witnesses called is Jesus God and is the Trinity

602
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,280
in the Bible and in the Old Testament. So, if

603
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,840
you're a Jobah's witness or if you're a Unitarian, how

604
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,760
did salvation question? Hush, dude, I'm not going to you yet.

605
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:33,039
Just chill bro, let's see. I think there's a delay. Okay.

606
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:40,000
So on one of the great ways that you can

607
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,559
actually kind of in a back doorway, refuge those witnesses

608
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,159
is through the Trinity in the Old Testament. Okay, pay attention.

609
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,920
Because the New World Translation scammers weren't swift enough to

610
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,079
figure out that they would also have to take out

611
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,480
all of the Trinitarian references in the Torah and in

612
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:03,159
the Profits. They didn't do that. They weren't swift enough.

613
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:05,760
They thought that they just kind of fixed stuff in

614
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,679
the New Testament, right like John one, that would be enough.

615
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,480
So if you can actually show from their fraudulent New

616
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,719
World Translation all of the references to the Trinity and

617
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,519
the Old Testament, guess what, that's game over for Toe's witnesses. Okay,

618
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:32,679
now we can go to you. What's up man, I'm mute.

619
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,679
I'm mute, Christ Seeker, I'm mute. It's your time now, bro.

620
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,639
There must be some delay because he can't hear what

621
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:44,639
I'm saying. Okay, it's open for him. Guys, we're still here.

622
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,599
I'm just now starting to get sassy. But don't worry.

623
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,480
I put my nicotine pouch in, so I should be

624
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:55,760
good to go. I should be calming down. Also, my

625
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,599
honey green tea has a little bit of sugar in it,

626
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:05,599
so my diabet us anger and rage, my diabetes demon

627
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,280
won't be kicking in. Let's talk God. Five dollars do

628
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,079
you think about? What do you think about Netflix buying

629
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:17,960
Warner Brothers? I didn't. I didn't know that. I'm not

630
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,800
sure what to think about that. Carlos Carlos, Hey, do

631
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:32,559
what's up? Bro? Carlos? What you're doing? Carlos? What you're doing? Bro?

632
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: Bro?

633
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 9: Hey?

634
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,519
Speaker 1: Do you barely on? Mudy?

635
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 5: Bro?

636
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: Carlos Manion? You gotta get a better internet, dude. You

637
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,039
gotta get rid of that aol Bro. We can better

638
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,480
hear you. Hey, Carlos man where are you at?

639
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:48,679
Speaker 5: Bro?

640
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,079
Speaker 1: Your Internet or your diet up and working? Bro? Christ

641
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:53,920
Cigret won't try again?

642
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 2: What allows us to access God's divine energies?

643
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,599
Speaker 1: God's imminent presence? God is eminently present through his energies?

644
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:25,480
Are you there? I'm sorry man, we're just not being

645
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,159
able to connect here. Epistemic Anthony. What's up, dude? That's

646
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,159
a name right that I don't got a name right?

647
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,519
I'm you bro?

648
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:43,639
Speaker 2: All right?

649
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,599
Speaker 1: Can you hear me now? Barely? What's up?

650
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 17: All right?

651
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,039
Speaker 1: So I was I was debated.

652
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 17: I live in basically evangelical boomer toward land rural iole.

653
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,199
Speaker 1: Okay, I like where this is going.

654
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,519
Speaker 10: I was having a discussion with some boomers, and you know,

655
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:06,079
one of the points I was making to them was

656
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:12,159
that just because God can do something doesn't mean that

657
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:13,480
he always is doing it.

658
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: Sure.

659
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 17: And I realized when I was having a discussion with that.

660
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: For example, God can create, but he's not eternally creating,

661
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,599
all right, I.

662
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 17: Was thinking that it's like, well, that actually refutes absolutely

663
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,039
my simplicity, doesn't It's like.

664
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: That's the defeat against what's called modal collapse. Correct.

665
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 17: And then the other thing I was I was noticing

666
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,239
is that there's a confusion.

667
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: In excuse me as the fea for modal collapse, not

668
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,320
against the excuse me. I want to be precise, Go ahead,

669
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:47,800
go ahead.

670
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 17: There's a confusion in all of Protestantism where they create

671
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,119
these unnecessary dichotomies between like, oh, is it Christ or

672
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,000
is it the Sacrament? Is it God or is it

673
00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:59,360
the Church?

674
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: False? I their or is correct.

675
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,679
Speaker 17: And a point that I made to them was that,

676
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,880
you know, it would be nonsensical if I were to say, oh,

677
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,000
I'm gonna go to the grocery store to get some food.

678
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,039
It would be ridiculous for someone to say, well, your

679
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:13,039
food comes from a farm or not, not the grocery

680
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:18,760
support exactly. But then that's kind of again like another

681
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,840
after effect, like an echo of Roman Catholicism, because that's

682
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,840
like the same error in Philly.

683
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:31,639
Speaker 18: Okay, it seems like I'm misunderstanding misunderstanding the the the economy,

684
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,760
I guess, like the divine economy.

685
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,559
Speaker 1: I mean maybe I think phillykay is more actually rooted

686
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:44,840
in a couple mistakes, like thinking that it's it's some

687
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,360
way to also prove the duty of Christ, or it's

688
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:57,800
also rooted in absolute divine simplicity, so uh yeah, tangentially.

689
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,679
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, okay, that's all I.

690
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also to yeah economy, right, like, yeah, I

691
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,840
see your point. They're like the fact that Christ sends

692
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,599
the spirit, it doesn't follow from that that he must

693
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,880
also be the eternal producer of the spirit. Yeah, I

694
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:18,159
think I see where you're going with that. Oh, that'll see.

695
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:21,320
We got Alex Jones singing a little Wuhan song here.

696
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,679
There's a classic I remember this.

697
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the alm Sorry we tell you.

698
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Speaker 4: We can't.

699
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 5: Do it's my man killed them all to be.

700
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: On every time about listen that it makes me laugh.

701
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:09,840
I mean the first time I heard it. I was crying, laughing.

702
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,039
It's just so ridiculous. I love it. Let's see what

703
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else we're going to get to some more super chats.

704
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All the callers have finally filtered out. They've all I've

705
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,880
warned them all down. Everyone has been worn down. Oh,

706
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:32,320
Chad's back, Chad Haman, Yes, sir, awesome.

707
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Speaker 19: I want to say thank you for all the work

708
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,079
you've done, especially like your debates with Tim Gordon.

709
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Speaker 1: Thank you man, like mad.

710
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Speaker 10: Dealing monkey and stuff.

711
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,079
Speaker 19: Appreciate that I've been like deconstructing my Protestantism for a bit,

712
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:54,679
realizing it just doesn't work. So like I don't know,

713
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,599
like how many questions can I ask you?

714
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: I guess because I got I got a.

715
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,639
Speaker 19: Lot of questions.

716
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:06,679
Speaker 1: Pie high number ten is pig ten? Oh? I think

717
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,599
it's at height? No, just what's the question? My go ahead?

718
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:20,679
I just wanted to do things past ten. I'm just

719
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,840
messing with it to go ahead.

720
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

721
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Speaker 19: If it's like if I'm arguing, for tag, like how

722
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do I show that God is the precondition for transcendental categories?

723
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Speaker 1: Well, I would argue that like none of those so

724
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,559
those things those I would argue those things don't exist

725
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:43,199
in a vacuum independently discreetly of themselves. They all kind

726
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of relate to one another. For example, you can have

727
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:48,760
knowledge without a knowwherre right. So you've got to have consciousness,

728
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,639
you got to have external world, you got to have

729
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,559
universal categories, you got to have meaning, purpose, et cetera.

730
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,159
All of those types of things kind of go together.

731
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:02,360
And even Phaser admits like they're not independent. They all

732
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,159
kind of like necessitate and relate to one another. So

733
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I did a talk on this called from Tag. We

734
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,239
just named it from Tag to Trinity. So I would

735
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say start here because I gotta put the jay dire.

736
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Speaker 12: By the way, you don't have to make a tag

737
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,159
from transcendental categories.

738
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Speaker 1: You don't have to do you don't have to do nothing.

739
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, everybody gets transcendental and thinks, oh, it's an

740
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,840
argument from transcendental categories.

741
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily true. Okay, that's just how I make

742
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,119
You can make it different ways, but I've understood it.

743
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:47,519
Speaker 12: Morality from empirical experience exactly knowledge, uh laws.

744
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 19: Like like transdent categories though, what's that? Or there's not

745
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,079
transcendental categories empirical matter, No, like empirical experience.

746
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: You said, no, that's no, that's not a transit category.

747
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:04,199
What counts as like a transcendentive category? I mean, just

748
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,639
look up the stuff like Aristotle's categories would be examples

749
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:10,800
of that kn't basically just takes Aristotle's list of categories

750
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,400
and then makes them preconditions for the possibility of knowledge.

751
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,000
So the route that you're going is a more abstract,

752
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,960
very difficult role. It's a lot easier, like FDA said,

753
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,639
if you want to make a transcendent argument, just go

754
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,199
from like ethics, right.

755
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Speaker 19: What if they're like a relativist, they don't they don't

756
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believe in ethics and stuff.

757
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Speaker 1: Well, that's even easier. That's easier.

758
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 20: Yeah, okay, like like yeah, that's just it's it's easy.

759
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,599
I mean, it's it's.

760
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: Really easy to refute relativism.

761
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,199
Speaker 12: Like even apart from tag.

762
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Speaker 3: It would be the what would be the line.

763
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Speaker 19: Of argumentation because like, from what I've seen is just

764
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like you have to trap them into saying that in

765
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society's ideas about wait, the Jews, you know, like like.

766
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:13,559
Speaker 1: Uh lozi journals relative, then why aren't they right?

767
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 12: You know, No, you don't even need to go there

768
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:20,000
it's uh, we go over the Center ethics class and

769
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:20,440
I'm not.

770
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: Even sure this guy's a theist. The uh Schaeffer's the author,

771
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:28,400
you get.

772
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Speaker 12: So, relativism and subjectivism is defined as that the individual

773
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is the standard for morals and that their standard is

774
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,920
not binding on any anybody else. So what that means

775
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:52,519
is that they're engaged in uh if my they're engaged

776
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:56,440
in a performative contradiction because what if my standard?

777
00:45:56,559 --> 00:45:58,199
Speaker 1: So let's call relativism P.

778
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: M HM.

779
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,599
Speaker 12: So they're admitting that each person has their own individual

780
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:11,280
moral standard. Well, my moral standard is not P, so

781
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:14,760
they have to affirm both P and not P, which

782
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,519
is a contradiction.

783
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,599
Speaker 19: So that is so that's a perspective and moral moral

784
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:24,920
relativesines is that the individual is always right about.

785
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: Their about what they decide is moral.

786
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 19: And so because they're always right and individuals contradicts.

787
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: It's not a question whether they're right. It's just that

788
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:39,159
they are the final arbiter like that even if it's

789
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,800
even if they're wrong, they can still determine that that's

790
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,159
wrong or that the right is the wrong. So it's

791
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:50,800
just making the individual subjective. This is making the individual

792
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:57,280
the final court of appeal. Okay, by the way, father digging,

793
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,119
didn you say you're so? If you come come over

794
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:03,840
here to patristic F eight. There is a playlist called

795
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,360
philosophy classes. When you talk about your ethics? Is that is?

796
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:15,559
There is that in here as well? What it cut out?

797
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:17,320
Did you say that again? So I'm over here on

798
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,760
your playlists and one of them is philosophy classes? Is

799
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,000
do you is there an ethics lecture here? I see

800
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,719
kantient ethics discussed? Is there anything else here?

801
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,679
Speaker 12: If you type in relativism mm hmm in my YouTube channel,

802
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,119
you'll probably find that. But I mean that's the contradiction,

803
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:41,320
is that they have to both firm and deny the

804
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,400
position that says their position is wrong.

805
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying. I'm thinking that he needs to

806
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,400
probably check out your talk on that. That's what I'm

807
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,119
trying to That's what I'm trying to find. Is it

808
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:57,199
refuting relativism here five years ago? Yes? So if you

809
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,679
go to his page you can, Yeah, there's a there's

810
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:01,599
a two you're cutting out. We can't hear you, but

811
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:05,239
I assume that's what you're There's a two hour talk

812
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,800
and a ten minute version of it. From FDA right here.

813
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,599
If you get his page and you type in relatives

814
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:25,719
in there, what's up? John Zanini sins fifty dollars. There

815
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,360
we go. Super Chat's popping off, he says, read my

816
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:35,840
mofo chat. This is big money. Ye ja ya ya, yeah, yeah,

817
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,400
you better lock them doors. Nobody's getting out until I

818
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,840
see forty thousand exactly. He read my mind. Oh wait,

819
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,840
somebody sent me a funny preacher clip. I was gonna

820
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,320
play where's it at? Oh? Crap? Who sent me that?

821
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,039
I gotta remember who sent it? I was like, oh,

822
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:57,320
I gotta play that. Dude. Crap, dude, who was it?

823
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,880
J John, what's on your mind?

824
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,039
Speaker 9: I may have some insight for you into why people

825
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,719
are enjoying the Candice Show.

826
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: Please feel Free.

827
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 9: So once she has a personal connection to the case

828
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,360
and she appears very endearing. I mean, I've listened to

829
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:29,719
probably all of them because it's very interesting sociologically, and

830
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,119
I got to admit it's very entertaining. But also if

831
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:39,760
you're a seasoned conspiracy theorist like us, it's interesting to

832
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:45,719
see like how people like It's almost like they're on

833
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:53,000
a conspiracy theory theorist journey in real time. And I

834
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:58,400
think people find that endearing because they themselves like we

835
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,960
you know, obviously you I we talked and known each

836
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,679
other for you know, ten plus years probably, and.

837
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 4: You know how you go through.

838
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:14,639
Speaker 9: Phases of learning different you know, stuff about how good

839
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:20,639
or bad things are. You're going with Canvas on her

840
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,719
journey of kind of learning these things. Obviously she didn't

841
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:30,599
she was a very green kind of uh you know,

842
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,119
green meaning she didn't know a lot of stuff. She

843
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:40,440
was a ultra maga conservative type. And now she's coming

844
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,239
to knowledge. Like you know, you made a reference to her.

845
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,280
Even when I've called in, it's like she's talking about

846
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:52,159
things that we talked about ten years ago. And so

847
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:56,719
there's also people that are involved with it, you know,

848
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,079
because a lot of times on the on her show, oh,

849
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,760
she'll like audience members call in and give her tips

850
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,239
to certain things. So she has so like people feel

851
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,920
involved with the whole thing. Mm and the entire audience

852
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,000
feels like they're contributing to the you know, finding it,

853
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:21,679
finding out the mystery of who murdered Charlie Kirk. So

854
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:27,320
there is a collective involvement in in this whole thing,

855
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:31,599
and I think that's I think that's why she's captured

856
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,639
a lot of audience.

857
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,119
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Uh, oh, I know, I think I

858
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:39,519
put it in my bookmarks. Yeah, I appreciate that. John.

859
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:49,480
Let's see, somebody sent me a thing. No, damn, somebody

860
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:52,480
sent me an awesome crazy Protestant pastor and I can't

861
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,119
find it now. It was really funny. Maybe I'll find

862
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:58,440
it for the next live stream. Uh, all right, we're

863
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,159
gonna get we're winding down here, Jay, what's up? Where's

864
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:05,199
that black dude that screams at me? He needs to

865
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:06,679
call back in La Boy? What's a.

866
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,199
Speaker 5: Hello?

867
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? What's up? Okay?

868
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 21: So so recently so I learned about Orthodoxy.

869
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,599
Speaker 1: It's a good context. I was very protesting, but I

870
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:20,119
haven't been.

871
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:23,559
Speaker 21: I haven't attended church since a big thing that happened,

872
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:27,360
you know, in twenty twenty, A big thing. Yeah, this weekend,

873
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,320
probably a Sunday. Impan on visiting a church an a

874
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,920
little church. I think it's Russian. Uh, what kind of

875
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:34,679
advice would.

876
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: You get sworn in my position?

877
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 21: You know, he's truck's getting back at this kind of thing,

878
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,639
wants to get closer to God again, and it's quite interesting.

879
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:46,519
Speaker 1: Adolsy, Yeah, a good question. I would say, find a

880
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,000
you know, like an Orthodox prayer book. You can usually

881
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,159
get a little uh like ten fifteen dollars ones that

882
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,719
are that are good. Get ready to get get used

883
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,000
to praying the Psalm. So get an Orthodox study Bible

884
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:05,800
if you can. I would say check out documentaries like Icon,

885
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,599
the three hour Icon documentary. You could watch something like

886
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:15,199
Fountain of Immortality documentary. Uh that kind of gives you

887
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,840
an introduction to the liturgy, the theology of the liturgy,

888
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,639
and uh yeah, that's that's what comes to mind. But

889
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,719
great question. Zoi, zoi, ZOI three dollars. Check out Zootopia.

890
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,559
It's about a cop exposes the government flooding carnivor ghettos

891
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:34,559
with drugs to incite a race war between Herbani Wars

892
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:40,039
and Carnivores. The one behind the scenes isn't you too?

893
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:43,079
The second one is a bunch of symbolism of freemasonry.

894
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,559
This is that guy. I like this guy's funny. He

895
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,440
keeps supertending about how I need to watch Zootopia. I

896
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:54,079
like it. Jamie's backing them up, like Jamie's putting me

897
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,960
in my place, refuting me. Take that. Tim Gordon wives

898
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,920
know how to refute husbands. That's as you just got.

899
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,880
You just got shut down, Tim Gordon, except uh oh,

900
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,000
plot twist. I'm a sassy black queen and Jamie is

901
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:11,000
my lesbian wife. Oh you just got refuted again, Spencer.

902
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:13,440
Five dollars, Jay, you whooped me up. My pregnant wife

903
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,400
and I are leaving Catholicism of joining Antiochi Orthodox Church.

904
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,400
All it actually took for me was to read the

905
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:25,800
documents Abottican one. I didn't just and not just listening

906
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,760
to all of these pop apologies exactly. And everybody who

907
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:35,840
does that eventually turns up tends to convert. Pennywett's five dollars.

908
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,360
Here is my five dollars. Because you discussed under determination

909
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,400
of data thesis with me while playing Freaked Me by

910
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,599
Silk in the background. You truly speak to me. The

911
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:51,599
first hour was gold. I think today let me tick

912
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:56,400
talk you up and down, remember that Silk, and I

913
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:02,440
was playing Tiktolic. I was on Tiktolic. Do y'all even know?

914
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,119
I think our stream is to a high i Q.

915
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:15,000
There's too many slow people that just don't understand what's happening. Hyperior.

916
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:19,800
Ten dollars Professor Dave's smug snickering kills me. It's the

917
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,639
thing that turned me away from all the atheists. These

918
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,880
dudes are not actually intellectuals. They're not serious. They just

919
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:32,440
imagine everyone is dumb. Exactly well stated Hyperior hyper prior

920
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,599
excuse me, rough hands. Ten dollars. Looks like the acclaimed

921
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,159
Professor Dave is going with his bold n uh response

922
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:47,079
shocking Stonewall Melvin twenty six dollars. I would love to

923
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:50,159
call in and argue with you, but I already agree

924
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:53,760
with you on everything. I would love to see more

925
00:55:54,079 --> 00:56:03,159
academic guests, for example, doctor Porku, doctor Strickland, doctor Jenkins,

926
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:08,719
and a Christian epistemologist. I actually don't know any of

927
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:15,559
those people, but okay, okay, Tuxedo mass two dollars. Computers

928
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,960
actually evolved from rocks. Yes, we learned that in the

929
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,920
first hour today. Today was a blast when it.

930
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: Come to.

931
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:33,039
Speaker 1: Marvel Universe, Hogwarts, Dungeon Master, Magical Worldview, evolutionary stuff, Tuta

932
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:36,000
on ten dollars. The attempt at the union with the

933
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Latins will be like all the other historical attempts of

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the Roman Empire. It eventually fails. An eventual failed geopolitical move. Interesting. Yeah,

935
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pretty much. Yeah, I mean, it's it's the It's the

936
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Reunion of Florence Part two. Dude chair throwing Italian five

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dollars din balins though J. C. Molina ten dollars, JA

938
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have worth work. My wife and I were baptized in October.

939
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We did a one year catechisis. Thank you for your

940
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:08,840
insights on apologics and how to honor your parents and

941
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,119
your family even when they don't support you becoming Orthodox. Interesting. Interesting.

942
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Everybody pray for that person's family and for all of

943
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our friends and family. Appreciate the prayers. God bless you.

944
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:24,760
Thank you, man. I appreciate that Mongo Bloyd says, the

945
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:31,480
only transmutation is this dude right here, true patristic. We

946
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:35,440
was gaytheist and she exactly Giovanni Garcia fi dollar Jay,

947
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,840
I'm a Christian. I'm curious, do you disregard all forms

948
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,519
of evolution or just a specific that we already did

949
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:49,800
that one? Oh, we get that big super chatter. Nelly

950
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,480
Nelly the rapper Nellie h is back, he says, for

951
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:58,639
thirty dollars. I was reading the letter to Pope Francis

952
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,280
by the Greek dudes. It's an Orthodox bishop, not Greek

953
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,760
dudes that you recommended. Changing images of Man is difficult

954
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,000
to print out, Bro, you don't even have to, man,

955
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That's why I did A. I promise you, when I

956
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,280
do your homework for you, I'm not cheating. You're gonna

957
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,079
get an A. I'm really going through all these dumbass

958
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,559
books for you, So don't worry. I'm not cheating. You

959
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,280
don't have to read all this crap. I did it

960
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:28,519
for you, dude. It is difficult to print. I'm still

961
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working on it. I'm enjoying your streams. Thank you. But

962
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remember there's also dozens of global elite texts. It's not

963
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just changing images of Man. We work through a bunch

964
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probably fifties sixty seven, who knows, maybe if it's seventy now,

965
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I don't even know. Anonymous twenty three dollars and twenty

966
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nine cents. I love your work. PS. I know you

967
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don't like that chemical patriarchy. But he was held hostage

968
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by the Turks for six hundred years. Well, I'm aware

969
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of that. I'm specifically not a fan of Bartholomew. It's

970
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not the office of the ecumenical patriarchy, so I'm not

971
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sure why you would think I don't like the I

972
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mean that goes back to, like you know, Byzantine times,

973
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that goes back to the ancient Roman period. Look up

974
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the story of Patriarch Gregory the Fifth. The alliance with

975
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the CIA in America was necessary to survive. No, I

976
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don't doubt that. We've talked many times about many of

977
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,000
the patriarchs were put into very difficult positions between saying

978
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:54,320
the Cold War, the KGB, and the CIA. So in

979
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British intelligence, I'm very aware of that. People. I think

980
00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:00,519
people just they have all these assumptions. I'm not you

981
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:02,199
for saying that, and you're a super chat but like

982
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:05,960
people just assume that all these like really black and

983
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,559
white positions when I talk about very difficult, challenging, historical,

984
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:14,719
nuanced stuff. And I think I'm very fair and I'm

985
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not just black and white, especially on that kind of stuff.

986
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A Carus, what's up man? Hello, Hey, hey Jay, thanks

987
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,400
for having me on. I think I just going on.

988
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,000
So I'm not with the entire context.

989
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 14: Of what's happening, but I wanted to ask an idealistic question.

990
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,480
Is that Okay, yeah, so the question is just around

991
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,360
I guess uh, listen the Conservative movement for an example.

992
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: Ideally, everyone want to have like a like a Christian

993
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:56,159
majority run countries. It doesn't have to be a theocracy.

994
01:00:56,639 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 14: But given the difference in denominations, who should say that

995
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,719
conflict will just arise again between Christian people.

996
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually actually did a stream the other day

997
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:13,079
about how Christian nationalism would not work for precisely the

998
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:18,719
reason that you're laying out. I see, you would have

999
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,639
to have a majority of Orthodox Christians who want an

1000
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:29,360
Orthodox monarchy before that would even be plausible sit it

1001
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:35,079
against right. You would have to have a majority Orthodox

1002
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:39,639
Christian population who wanted an Orthodox monarchy before it would

1003
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even be plausible to discuss an Orthodox Christian state. Ultra bolt,

1004
01:01:56,679 --> 01:01:57,480
ultra bolt you want?

1005
01:01:57,519 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 22: I mean, I appreciate your stuff. I always appreciate the

1006
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,119
book recommendations.

1007
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: Not here to debate.

1008
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 22: I just wanted to pick your brain on two different questions.

1009
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So the first one is I just want to get

1010
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:13,639
your thoughts on like performance enhancing drugs and the nuance

1011
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:16,719
with that. Everything is from like caffeine all the way

1012
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,199
up to like adderall on steroids. People tend to like

1013
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,719
abuse the nuance and these types of things, and I

1014
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,480
was just wondering, like, what's your thoughts on.

1015
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,159
Speaker 2: Stuff like that?

1016
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,599
Speaker 1: Again, I think you hit the nail on the head

1017
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with the word abuse. None of these things are in

1018
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,400
themselves bad or evil. It's all has to do with

1019
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:40,760
excess and abuse. So you know, I don't think there's

1020
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any big deal when it comes to caffeine, nicotine, any

1021
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,960
of these kinds of things. I'm pretty flexible and a

1022
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,559
lot of that stuff, So I mean, I'm not a

1023
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:53,880
lib But also like people, I think people over like

1024
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,079
you don't hear me over here, like you know, preaching

1025
01:02:56,239 --> 01:03:00,000
a lot of basic bitch moral posturing type of stuff.

1026
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,039
I just think that stuffs really low tier when people

1027
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:05,719
get all hyper focused on moral minutia and trying to

1028
01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:09,079
pick everybody apart, like for example, on Twitter, you see

1029
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:13,880
this like in an extreme way where like, oh, let's

1030
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:16,800
pick apart the fact that this dude wore shorts when

1031
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,960
he went to church, and it was like, you don't

1032
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,360
know the context, Like I walked in up the street.

1033
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,599
This is like ten years ago. I walked out of

1034
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the streets one hundred five degrees in San Francisco and

1035
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:27,639
I walked in. I didn't realize I was next to

1036
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,000
the cathedral, the Rocort Cathedral, so I wanted to go

1037
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,679
in and see the relics showed out. So I shouldn't

1038
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:35,519
have done that because it of one hundred five degrees

1039
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:38,079
and I happened to be next door with shorts, I

1040
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:42,679
mean people, And it wasn't a church service, you goufas,

1041
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,960
it was a going to revere the relics, even though

1042
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,440
I had shorts one hundred five degrees. So people just

1043
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:52,800
love to get online and pick people apart for very

1044
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,480
petty moral one up stuff. And the same thing had

1045
01:03:55,519 --> 01:04:02,039
happened in the domain of I don't know, like legal, legal, CBD,

1046
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:05,679
medical marijuana, like all of these things. I don't think

1047
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,079
that they're a big deal. The only thing that is

1048
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:12,400
a big deal is if the things become addictive and

1049
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,440
you abuse them. That's when it's a big deal because

1050
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,320
it becomes an idol. Right. So the same thing with

1051
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,199
like if we go back one hundred years, there was

1052
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:24,840
a lot of places where the local apothecary could prescribe

1053
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,440
you some form of cocaine or some form of opiate

1054
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:32,280
because of illness or pain, or you get your leg

1055
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,880
cut off in war or whatever. I mean, people just

1056
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,599
act like puritanical retards about all this stuff and it's

1057
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:40,480
just dumb. And I think it's the same with the

1058
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:42,559
stuff you're talking about. People just want to have some

1059
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:45,320
petty way to feel like they're better than everybody. It's

1060
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,559
just really weak. So when it comes to that stuff,

1061
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:53,039
I tend to not really have much of an opinion.

1062
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:57,280
Also when you get into the more when you say

1063
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,039
the performance and I don't know about that stuff. I

1064
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:06,000
know what this injection for weightlifting, I'm not into that stuff.

1065
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:06,840
I don't know about it.

1066
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 22: So yeah, I was just because there's a lot of

1067
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:16,800
nuance to it. So everything from like nootropics to like

1068
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:21,039
TRT or like pull blown steroids. I feel like people

1069
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:24,880
tend to, like you say, like, uh, you know what

1070
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:25,519
is it called?

1071
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,559
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, I mean there probably is some line there,

1072
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:33,559
like with you know, I like, I don't know, there's

1073
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:37,400
probably some product that's like in between supplements and steroid

1074
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,559
and it's like the gray area. I don't know. I'm

1075
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:42,000
not into that stuff, don't. I mean, I just don't

1076
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,199
know enough about that stuff. But I think with any drug,

1077
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,320
be it you know, a hard drug, a not so

1078
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,960
hard drug, steroid, or whatever, Like any of those things

1079
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:57,039
could can conceivably be dangerous. It's not the substance in itself,

1080
01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:00,400
it's the time and the place and the application of it.

1081
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,280
So like, you know, I'm laid up in the hospital

1082
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,320
bed because I'm a Civil War soldier and I got

1083
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,960
my leg chopped off in the Civil War fight. Yes,

1084
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:13,360
you better give me some opium or whatever. Right. Oh,

1085
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,320
I guess you took opium. You're a drug. You're a druggie.

1086
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,239
You're going to hell. I mean it's just retarded. It's

1087
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:20,440
like that's an appropriate time for that, right. But if

1088
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,400
it's like every night after work, I'm over here, you know,

1089
01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:26,480
smoking opium like Sherlock Holmes or something. No, that's that's

1090
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:27,440
an abuse, dude.

1091
01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:30,159
Speaker 17: Okay, I appreciate it.

1092
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:31,039
Speaker 22: I have one more question.

1093
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:36,519
Speaker 1: If that's good. It's not related, okay, okay.

1094
01:06:36,639 --> 01:06:41,719
Speaker 22: So this one is about like wrathful prayer, so like

1095
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:43,880
for God seeks engines.

1096
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: Oh, like in precatory prayers. No, I don't think there's

1097
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,920
anything wrong with in precatory prayers. I mean they still

1098
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,639
exist in the prayer books.

1099
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 22: Okay, Okay, yeah, because I was thinking the other day,

1100
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,159
it's not like a bleeding hard thing. But I was

1101
01:06:57,199 --> 01:06:59,760
seeing like the map that's going around on Twitter of

1102
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,519
like the percentage of abortions, I mean, the percentage of

1103
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:05,760
pregnancies that end in abortion.

1104
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 17: And some of these rates are up to like eighty.

1105
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 22: Plus percent and stuff like that. You know, you just

1106
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,880
got to give it to God. But in that sense,

1107
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,719
you know you also pray for vengeance.

1108
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: Well at least that's how I yeah, I don't think

1109
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,480
there's anything wrong with praying for God's justice. I mean,

1110
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:25,760
there's many psalms that pray that way. In fact, you

1111
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,440
can find Russian prayer books, Russian Orthodox prayer books that

1112
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,079
pray for the victory of the Russian or the Christian

1113
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:38,480
emperors and kings against the godless Hagarens the Muslims. Same principle.

1114
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,119
By the way, this is one of my critiques of C. S. Lewis.

1115
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:43,719
I love C. S. Lewis, love his works. However, he

1116
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:45,719
doesn't have the best theology. I mean, at times he's

1117
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,400
like extremely insightful, it's great. He even gets really close

1118
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,159
to being a tag right doing tag. However, his book

1119
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:55,800
on the Psalms is terrible because he struggles with whether

1120
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,519
a Christian should pray the impregatory prayers. It's like, are

1121
01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:01,840
you a Marsian? Like, why would we think that's wrong? Anyway?

1122
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:07,320
Uh rule Rui Tech Sarah. I want to express my support.

1123
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,320
You presented us with the theories of doctor Wolfgang metaaldic

1124
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:14,280
uh and the guy who warned us about the Tussami.

1125
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,279
He's talking about like a skit I did back in

1126
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,199
like two thousand and seven. It's like one of my

1127
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:22,039
earliest YouTube skits, all the way up to the black

1128
01:08:22,119 --> 01:08:26,600
dude that predicted the Tussami. You deserve my money? Well,

1129
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,399
I like the way you think, and yes, I definitely

1130
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:32,279
deserve your money for sure. Iron Giant Double O seven,

1131
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,479
Iron Giant Man Double seven five dollars. I thought I

1132
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:42,159
went to a normal Protestant church as a good and

1133
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:47,720
then I remember Sunday school focused around watching Andy Griffith.

1134
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,880
That's a weird church, dude, Jack Garcia five dollars. Scarlett Johansson,

1135
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,159
Iron Giant Man's double seven, don't fall for the Kazarian

1136
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:09,560
kazongas he was talking about breasts. I'm making sure I

1137
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:16,800
didn't miss any super jets here. Doctor smiles five dollars.

1138
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,439
I got Leo man, This light is getting hot. Dude

1139
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,920
on there her sweating. We've been going for five hours.

1140
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,279
Donald doctor smiles, says, I got Leo Donald Davis's book

1141
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,359
on the Seven Acumenical Councils. I vaguely remember this book

1142
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:32,960
from a long time ago.

1143
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:34,520
Speaker 23: I don't know what to see what it is. Which

1144
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:43,399
one is this one?

1145
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,199
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I remember that book. It's probably a decent introduction. Yeah,

1146
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:50,920
I would if you progress beyond that one, I would say,

1147
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:56,199
get something like the Yar slav Pelican set. Just get

1148
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:57,920
the first three. You don't have to worry about the second,

1149
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,640
the last two of the it's a five volume set.

1150
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,399
The first you're the only ones that are that are good.

1151
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,119
You read those first three, you'll be like, very well

1152
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:08,119
schooled on the history of theology. We have more likes

1153
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:13,720
than we have current concurrent viewers. That's interesting. Uh zaye

1154
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:19,359
need zane Indie four o E says again. For five dollars,

1155
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:26,039
the yeah, oh that was supposed to be the wigger laugh. Yeah, No,

1156
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:33,960
it's it's wiggers do it's not the the white lining

1157
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,439
ten dollars. Why is the Philoclitia controversial Because it's a

1158
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:44,079
monastic text. It's not really a text for average shows.

1159
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Joshua Aslin Joshua ass Hello, oh fake voice, what's up? Jay?

1160
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 24: I got a question about kind of evolution. I'm Protestant,

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not like not really too thrilled about it, but I've

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been interested about Orthodoxy. I went to a Christian school

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in Nashville and there was a lot of Coptic Orthodox

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Christians that it just really kind of like scared me

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of I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what's like, what's going on with that?

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Speaker 24: And the school taught us about evolution and like a

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kind of weird way, so I just don't know how

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to reconcile. Like to me, the position is either evolution

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is fake or evolution is is God is what it

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seems like, and it's hard to be in like that Medtal.

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Speaker 1: Position, I guess. So, I mean, I think you know,

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you can look at what we can tritiqued within the

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first hour of today's live stream, and more specifically, if

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you're interested in the critiques of Coptic Monophysite stuff, we

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are on part four. So you see this right here

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on the main page Oriental Orthodoxy. Refew to part four.

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If you want to go deep, you can watch all

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four of those. It will get pretty heavy and technical.

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But we've been working through those for a good while now.

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If you want a more concise, just single version, David

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Rhan did a stream right here called Severus of antiox

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Meophysite Christology and Context, and that's one of the key

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crucial kind of classic refutations from our perspective. Pravoslavia. What's up? Hellope, yes, sir?

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Speaker 16: Hey, right, Jay?

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Speaker 1: How's it going good? What's up? So is it okay?

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If I can take a little time to get some backstory.

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Speaker 16: And while I'm asking the question, what's it about, it's

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regarding the current situation of ro Corps and the Greek

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Orthodox Church in the US specifically, Okay. So I am

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a Russian born baptized and my parents.

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Speaker 1: Moved over to the US. So I grew up here

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and we were attending the roll Corps church for ever

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since I was baptized.

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Speaker 16: So it's been you know, like twenty years, and the

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church is very far from where I lived. So we decided,

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all my parents decided that we moved to or not move,

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but start communing in the Greek Orthodox Church of America.

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And as I got older, I started to realize that

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it's going downhill. The priests is taking new converts that

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are American that are kind of not accepting the traditional

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01:13:55,119 --> 01:13:59,680
values of the Orthodox Church and what we do. So

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when I sit down with the guys there and I

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talk to them about this, they don't want to talk

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about it at all. And now that I see that

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the Econmanical patriarch is meeting with the Pope as well

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as Patriarch Carrill of Moscow is also a meeting with

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the Pope, I'm seeing that there's really no way out

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for the churches in America. It's making me want to

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move to my motherland, where my parents are from.

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Speaker 1: So do you mean that like I mean, there's plenty

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of churches in America that are not going to go

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along with that. So what do you mean I go

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along with the patriarch in Moscow? I thought you was

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about the patriarch of the ep.

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Speaker 16: Even Patriarch Carrill goes and meets with the Pope as well.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: Meeting is one thing, but calling for reunion is a

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different thing.

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Speaker 2: Well in the Russian Church right now, I mean there's

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a huge problem.

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Speaker 16: Where not in America but in Russia that they're seeing

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these these meetings that he's holding and that they're not

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agreeing with a lot of our church elders in Russia

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are saying the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I'm just saying, like I thought,

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I misunderstand that you said you're talking about the MP.

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I was thinking the EP.

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Speaker 16: I not. I'm not Greek, so I don't really feel

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at home in the Greek Church, right, I'm Russian blood

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and blood through and through.

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Speaker 1: So no, I think you're You're right that ecumenism in

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the PUSH is going to effect everywhere, and it is

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in the MP for sure, and the EP. It's worse

1235
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in other places like the EP. But uh, I mean,

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as long as there's faithful Orthodox bishops that don't go

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along with it, it's just like it's just like Florence.

1238
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You know about Florence, right, Yeah, so this is Florence

1239
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:47,479
part two. So I have a question for you.

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Speaker 16: Then, does your Roco church, like in prayer, acknowledge the

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patriarch in Moscow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, until there's a specific reason to not acknowledge the patriarch,

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which includes some form of sin decision, then yes, we

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still do mention them in the diptychs and whatnot. But

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the if if this stuff continued, Rocorps is independent it's

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not it doesn't have to do what the MP says.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, but so I mean my idea of of of

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moving away and leaving the US because we have our

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own little villages in Russia you know that that don't

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really you know, we have priests that they don't agree

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with with the patriarch, and they'll there were times where

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the priests would go and do communion for people in

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their homes, or they'll have liturgy at home.

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Speaker 1: Or in someone's home when we have situations like this.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to.

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Speaker 1: Know your thoughts on like what what you're thinking. I mean,

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I don't yeah, I don't have So I've had multiple

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friends that have moved to Russia and have tried that.

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One of them was there for about a year and

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not because of any like personal problems, but when the

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war started they kind of got told they'd need to

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probably move back. So, I mean, it can be difficult.

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If you're an American trying to do that who's not Russian,

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you will probably have an easier time if you're you know,

1265
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a native of a blood Russian and if you speak

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you know, Slavonic or whatever, it's probably you know, probably

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gonna be easier for you, but no, I don't have

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any plans to move so, but it's going to be

1269
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tough for everybody, but ultimately in the wrong long run,

1270
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like we said, like, it's going to be okay. Zeph says,

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I got discount, biscoin discount. I got bitcoin discount. Thanks dog,

1272
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You're welcome. Jordan Lofgren, will you bring Rob nowhere on

1273
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,880
to talk about geopolitics? Yeah, sure he could come on.

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I don't care. B C BJC five dollars. I read

1275
01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:03,239
the Russ Manion paper. It was way off the heasy

1276
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for real mane. It is a good one. It's necessary,

1277
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but I should read it. Seattle Rob five dollars. Excuse me,

1278
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Zane Indy sends another twenty dollars and it says he's

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in love with the wigger left. He's like just sending

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me just vast sums of money for that left. Seattle

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Rob says coloss Is one fifteen in the New World

1282
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translation is more controversial. They add other to make Jesus

1283
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a creature. I understand it's not the only controversial passage.

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The only reason I say John one is more controversial

1285
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is that John one is like the most famous passage

1286
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right for deeed of Christ. But yeah, you're right, there

1287
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:44,079
are other There's plenty of scammering and nonsense in the

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Job's witnesses in WT for sure. JTM, the guy that

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was talking about James Joe's witnesses, says again, I was

1290
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:53,760
trying to listen to you. I was trying, honestly to

1291
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,000
stay on track. I do not think you're mean. Well,

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thank you, JT. Appreciate that. I think. Let's see. I

1293
01:19:12,119 --> 01:19:18,760
think that's all the YouTube super chats Fallen Angel twenty dollars.

1294
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I listened to you and Tim Gordon talk about what

1295
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:27,159
a woman is? Are you talking about the documentary? Are

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01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:28,800
you talking about the interview that we did. I think

1297
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you're talking about when he popped on the live stream

1298
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of the day, or maybe a different interview. Do you

1299
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,199
have a lecture or a book on what an Orthodox

1300
01:19:35,319 --> 01:19:39,079
man is? I mean no, I don't. I mean I

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have talks on what our advice for men? I mean

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we've got a bunch of those on my channel. And

1303
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,319
then somebody's asking about, oh what about look, I mean

1304
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:54,960
any of the anything. It's like Paul says, anything is

1305
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,880
good in itself when it's used in the right way.

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At the right time and not abused. So it's not

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a question of is it wrong to drink or right

1308
01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:07,039
to drink? Is it wrong to do this or that's

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it's the right, appropriate time and place, And as Paul says,

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to the righteous man, all things are lawful because the

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righteous man is going to use things in the right way.

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So it's a question of whether you have the self

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01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:28,039
control and the discipline, not a question of whether anything

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is inherently evil. Does that make sense? So it's like gambling.

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Is it wrong to gamble? Well, if you gamble, you're

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engaging in a way that in something that could very

1317
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:49,159
easily waste your money and you could be addicted. But

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in another sense, anything is a gamble. You take a

1319
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,279
gamble on a business venture. Is that gambling? Well, there's

1320
01:20:57,319 --> 01:21:00,000
no rather than trying to find like black and white

1321
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laws of what I can and can't do and if

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I tick all the boxes of I didn't do all

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01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,720
the bad things and so I'm better than everybody else,

1324
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,239
which is what most people want to do with this

1325
01:21:09,319 --> 01:21:12,399
kind of stuff. Think about it that from the Vansias

1326
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,079
point of what I just said, where Paul says the

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righteous man is able to interact with all things lawfully

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because he's going to use those things in the right way.

1329
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,800
He's not going to abuse them. But that doesn't mean

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oh well, then I can just go, you know, shoot

1331
01:21:25,279 --> 01:21:27,439
up heroin as long as I only do it once. No, no, no,

1332
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you got to be wise about this stuff and not

1333
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:32,479
be childish about this kind of stuff. And anything that

1334
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,640
takes over you is going to be a vice trandiction.

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So just use common sense. But when it comes to

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a lot of these things, like I don't know anything

1337
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about steroids and weightlifting enhancement. I don't know about those stuff.

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I can't even tell you. I don't even know. I

1339
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don't know how they work. I know that it makes

1340
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your balls small, Like I don't know why you would

1341
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,840
want to shrink up your your junk and why do

1342
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:10,279
you want to look like some sort of weird monstrosity,

1343
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,880
greasy beast. I don't understand. To me, it all seems

1344
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,800
kind of gay. I'm not talking about what father Moses.

1345
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:21,199
Moses do is powerlifting. That's great, that's a way to

1346
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,039
channel that energy and all that. And actually he just

1347
01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:26,239
did a video the other day. I thought it was

1348
01:22:26,279 --> 01:22:31,319
really good on why powerlifting is good for ascetic discipline.

1349
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That stuff's good because he points out, like, I'm not

1350
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doing this to try to look like some kind of big,

1351
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:44,840
hulkin gay dude you know on Instagram or whatever. But

1352
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,640
look at this stuff, Like, to me, this stuff looks weird. Dude,

1353
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,159
I just don't understand it. I've never understood what the draw.

1354
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:52,039
To me, it just seems kind of gay, dude to

1355
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,000
try to be like this. It doesn't look like a

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real person. It looks like some sort of a cartoon character.

1357
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And it's, oh, look that dos bad ash. It's like,

1358
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but he that's but there's no way you can get

1359
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that way without steroids. So to me, it seems like

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this is just whoever perfectly figures out how to do

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01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,960
the drug right and do the cycle right, and they

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all shrink their junk. It's like I don't understand. Yeah,

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but it takes a lot of Yeah, I understand it

1364
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:39,000
takes a lot of work. But like, I've never understood this.

1365
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:44,680
It doesn't I would like to be a little more

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bulky and a little more defined. That's it. That's that's it.

1367
01:23:49,039 --> 01:23:50,960
Like that's good for me. I don't need to look

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like to look swollen, you know what? I mean, it

1369
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just looks weird to me. I don't get it. Now.

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I'm not calling everybody who's into a bodybuilding weightlifting gay.

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I'm not saying that. I'm saying the obsession with trying

1372
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to get to where you look like, what does this

1373
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even look like? I don't even know what it looks

1374
01:24:13,399 --> 01:24:23,520
like to look like this dude, to look like jesse

1375
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,239
Lee Peterson right here on the left, that's jesse Lee Peterson.

1376
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And even worse is when the chicks do it. Oh

1377
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my gosh, dude, I mean that's fake, but like, let's

1378
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:40,680
see if we can find a It's so gross when

1379
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I see the chicks doing this, man, Oh whoa dude?

1380
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:59,960
What the heck? It gives me the A couple of

1381
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these bodybuilding chicks followed me on Instagram too, and I

1382
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,920
was like, why are these chicks following me on Instagram?

1383
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,159
Maybe they thought, oh, he's in with Father Moses or

1384
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something that like that. Just they just look like dudes

1385
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to me, man, It's like what and what kind of

1386
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,159
dudes are into these this kind of a frame on

1387
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a woman. It's like what I mean? I mean, that

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chick's got a she's got a nice face, but she's

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more buffed than me. Dude, that's gross. If you have

1390
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a fantasy of a chick that's more buffed than you,

1391
01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:41,479
I think you're gay. Dude. That's you've got something going,

1392
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,239
some gayness happening. That's the only reason you would be

1393
01:25:44,279 --> 01:25:46,760
into Oh yeah, I want to I want to chick

1394
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to destroy me in a over the top like freaking

1395
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:58,399
so Lesia saalone and over the top. You get this.

1396
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This is what you get in response to that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, ma, God a.

1398
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Speaker 12: Good die.

1399
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:11,199
Speaker 5: I'm mad.

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01:26:18,359 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: We tell you until death can.

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Speaker 5: Tom My man, uncle killed the afs, kill them all

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to be.

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01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: A c five dollars. I am a metal goober ballo

1404
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,439
five dollars, God, bless you day. I'm considering Orthodoxy. All

1405
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,079
people are Gods. Sons and daughters are only those in

1406
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:56,239
the church. Sons and daughters. To be a son of

1407
01:26:56,279 --> 01:26:59,840
God requires baptism, right to be in Christ. The rest

1408
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:02,840
of them are made the image of God. They are

1409
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sons of Adam. But not everybody's the son of God. No,

1410
01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:14,239
it's this, it's this Sceneesy ten dollars. I think you remember,

1411
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,079
I remember you saying tag justifies Christian God. Can you

1412
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:19,239
want Yeah, dit a video on it's called from Tag

1413
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:22,439
to Trinity. So I'm not trying to be annoyed. It's

1414
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,800
just like that, it's just been I've been answering that

1415
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:33,199
question for seven years at the same I'm not mad

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at you for the super chat at all. Appreciate it.

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01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,479
It's just the same question for seven years, or the

1418
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,560
same atheist debate for twenty years. It just gets old, man,

1419
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:53,279
It's just gets heard of it. Josh DiNapoli five dollars.

1420
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:59,359
I'm debating my Greek pagan friend. He was into Hellenism.

1421
01:27:59,399 --> 01:28:03,560
How should I have approach it? What about books and points? Well,

1422
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:10,680
I mean there was a debate with a Greek pagan Hellenis,

1423
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:16,279
but he was Aristotilian tweetaphon the long lost Tweetophon debate,

1424
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,319
which I think was on the early early days of discord.

1425
01:28:21,079 --> 01:28:23,279
I don't think that exists anymore. I think it died.

1426
01:28:24,079 --> 01:28:26,640
I mean it could be archived out there somewhere. People

1427
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:31,479
are like digging up debates that I forgot even existed,

1428
01:28:33,039 --> 01:28:37,439
like that Matt Chats interview on Byzantium. I totally forgot

1429
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:45,439
about that. But Menestheus another great Clips channel. Shout out

1430
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:50,960
to Menestheus he uploaded here you go Pagans and Arians

1431
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,279
debate Jay. These are good and then the two hour

1432
01:28:55,119 --> 01:29:00,000
famous Mark Brahman debate Racial Subtexts. This was a class

1433
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:05,479
sick where we interacted with and debated the pagan Mark Brahman.

1434
01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:08,399
And this one's a classic. So I would say this

1435
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,399
one will be a good one to watch right here.

1436
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:21,119
Menestheus also found this one that's cool, me debating pagans

1437
01:29:21,159 --> 01:29:23,800
and Arians. And then there's also Boglor Dave is a

1438
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:32,439
classic Jay Dire versus Boglor Dave from six or someven

1439
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:40,279
years ago. Right here, they're of their words or something

1440
01:29:40,319 --> 01:29:45,640
like that. Correct, you know, I look at all of

1441
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,960
these debates from like six, seven, eight years ago, they're

1442
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:52,760
all like coming back around in Vogue, Dude, in Vogue

1443
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,960
magazine two taon ten dollars, evolution is true because the

1444
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:01,880
Black Magic Science King told me it was exactly exactly.

1445
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,920
I mean, I like the way you think. So we've

1446
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,880
come full circle. We're back to the very beginning of

1447
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,439
today's talk. All right, thank you so much. I'm exhausted.

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We've been going for