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Speaker 1: One filmmaker, three ground breaking documentaries, and the case, he says,

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will change everything, the phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: They're here, this is happening now.

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Speaker 3: The program non human intelligence exists.

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Speaker 4: Non human intelligence has been interacting with humanity.

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Speaker 5: That was only part of the story.

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Speaker 1: And now Moment of Contact New revelations of alien encounters.

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Speaker 6: In nineteen thirty three, some this shade objects to crash.

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Speaker 7: It is not anything from this earth.

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Speaker 1: Multiple films, three decades and tonight, director James Fox is here.

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Speaker 5: Everyone. I'm Matt Ford, and welcome to the Good Trouble Show. Tonight.

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Speaker 1: Our guest has spent three decades making documentary films about

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whether we are alone. His latest Moment of Contact new

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Revelation takes us inside the nineteen ninety six Vargenia, Brazil case,

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where multiple witnesses say they encountered non human beings, the

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military launched a recovery operation, and a physician claims he

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examined a living being in a hospital.

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Speaker 5: Let's watch.

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Speaker 4: Have you been exposed to undeniable confirmation of a non

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human intelligence craft? There is something out there and we

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should know as the people what it is.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that the federal government is knowingly concealing

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evidence about you a piece from the.

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Speaker 2: Public per Yes, yes, sir, Yes. When you say crash reshrievel,

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what do you.

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Speaker 1: Make non human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed

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or crashed.

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Speaker 6: For the first time in history, the names of alleged

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companies and gatekeepers analyzing recovered alien technology are being exposed.

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Speaker 2: Are any of you willing to name specific individ jewels?

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Speaker 8: Doctor James Ryder at Lockheed, Glenn Gaffney CIA.

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Speaker 6: For decades we've heard allegations of the retrieval of objects

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of alien origin. In nineteen thirty three, some this shape

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object crash.

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Speaker 2: It is not anything from this Earth.

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Speaker 1: A UFO crashed in Kingman, didn't drop out of the sky.

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Speaker 2: It had to come in on an angle.

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Speaker 8: The feeling I had during the encounter was like no

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type of aircraft I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Before I saw the evidence. It's a crash retrieval. There's

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a craft and these alien bodies.

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Speaker 6: But one of the most well documented UFO crash retrieval

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cases involving live aliens took place in Virginia, Brazil.

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Speaker 2: That is a crashed vehicle toys.

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Speaker 3: To us.

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Speaker 2: The boys posters from Les Gulspital.

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Speaker 5: Norma and s.

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Speaker 3: In you regard the follow Berni and us or now

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that's why I pray you come at.

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Speaker 6: One.

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Speaker 3: It's called you can about.

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Speaker 6: Now for the first time in history, we have the

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most compelling first hand testimony the same of communication with

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a live alien in captivity.

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Speaker 9: Where GISs first one diagra.

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Speaker 2: How much time did he spend with the alien in

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the road? Praise quite.

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Speaker 5: Please.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Trouble Show documentary film maker James Fox.

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Speaker 5: James, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: You've been making films about this for about the subject

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for what going on thirty years now? When did you

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decide you were hanging your hat on the UAP issue?

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for that intro. I gotta check that

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movie out. That trailer was fire.

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Speaker 5: It was Yeah, I loved it.

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Speaker 9: Thanks to Buddha Jones. Those guys do incredible work. The owner,

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John Long has been incredibly helpful. Actually, George Knapp introduced

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us for the phenomenon years ago and he's been doing

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all the trailers in Los Angeles and they're very good

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at it. But it's funny. Actually, when I made my

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first film in the nineties, you know, everyone was laughing

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at me, you know, my father, especially his family, reconsider

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what you're doing. You're wasting your life. There was to

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it is a road, like what are you thinking? And

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I thought, you know, when I finished it after four

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grueling years and nobody told me how difficult it was

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to make a documentary, particularly one on UFOs, I was like,

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so long.

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Speaker 2: As I live.

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Speaker 9: And since then I've decided, actually, probably since I know

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what I saw, I said to myself, don't ever say that,

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you're going to how.

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Speaker 2: You get to feel.

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Speaker 9: It's almost like, you know, women describe giving birth and

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they say that you suffer from almost amnesia because if they.

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Speaker 2: Knew how painful it was, they wouldn't do it again,

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you know. And it's the same good point documentary filmmaking.

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I would do it again. But I, of course inevitably

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it, and I have to say so.

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Speaker 1: Of course, when the New York Times twenty seventeen article

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came out, that sort of reinvigorated my interest in the

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UAP topic, but then it kind of fizzled out. And

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it wasn't until I saw the phenomenon that I was

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like phenomena, that I was like, this is really.

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Speaker 5: You know, this stuff is real.

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Speaker 1: And so I have you to thank for being in

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this chair right now, because if it really, if it

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weren't for that amazing film, I don't think I would

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be doing what I'm doing right now.

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Speaker 5: So thank you very very much. It's your filmmaking.

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Speaker 1: Does such great justice to this topic, and more importantly,

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it brings people into this issue that may not have

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otherwise you'll really become interested in it. But we're here

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to talk about your latest film, what centers on the

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Vargenia case in Brazil. Viewers who don't know it, that

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have not seen your film yet, walk us through what

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happened in January nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 5: Start from the beginning, if you don't mind, not at all, and.

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Speaker 9: Thanks to that intro, you know the phenomenon, If you

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don't mind me backing up just for a quick second. Wait,

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you know people often say, well, how do you know when.

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Speaker 2: A film is done?

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Speaker 9: A film is usually done when you're completely depleted of

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resources energy. In some cases, you're in the fetal position,

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your partners in the feedlal position.

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Speaker 2: Their wives are screaming at you, like when is this

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nightmare gonna And we're all in debt up to our eyeballs.

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Speaker 5: You're killing no.

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Speaker 9: And I was in a fetal position when the phenomenon

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was finished. And I won't go for your audience with

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the details, but there was a high probability that the

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film was going to be shelved because there were so

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many people sue each other. And I remember the distribution

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company saying to me, and this is just one of

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fifty things that was hitting me at the time.

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Speaker 2: We think we might have to shelve this.

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Speaker 9: Because it's too much of a liability, all these threats

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of lawsuits.

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Speaker 2: We might just use it as a tax right off.

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Speaker 9: And put it on the shelf. And I was at

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the end of my rope. I was in a fetal position.

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she would leave the food up there and she'd come back,

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you know, six or seven hours later. She knew the

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food was at least I was eating and drinking water,

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you know. So when I hear people like you thank

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me for the phenomenon. There were a lot of other

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people involved there in the credits. It really does make

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it all worthwhile because that nearly killed me. But let's

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talk about a Moment of Contact now. I did a

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first version a Moment of Contact, and that was the

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first film that I dropped after making the Phenomenon. And

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I remember a lot of people who were remade nameless,

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very respectable, and they were bringing up valid points. Are

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you sure after the tremendous success with creating the phenomenon,

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you introduced in a much more mainstream audience, household names people,

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highly respected intel folks, you know, warmed up to the

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idea of close encounters of the third kind. That's when

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witnesses claim in the wild to see occupants connected to

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the craft. And that was really the first time I

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kind of went all in on that, you know, Rua

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SoCoRo and a couple of other cases sprinkled throughout. And

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UFO crash where you have live aliens walking through the

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town of Varginia, Brazil, Like, are you.

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Speaker 2: Sure that's the direction you want to go? Right now?

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Speaker 9: You want to tarnish your reputation. You're like, really, And

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I said, I understand. I understand how you feel. And

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first heard about it, when I was working on my

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second UFO documentary, Out of the Blue. I was so

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opposed to this UFO crash case with live aliens because

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it was inconceivable to me then and that you could

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population of one hundred thousand, you know, live aliens walking

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through this town and the whole world not know about it.

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Speaker 2: It can't be. Therefore it isn't so.

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Speaker 9: I understand the reluctance, particularly within mainstream outlets, but I

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just say, look, just watch the movie, listen to the

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first hand eyewitness testimony, and draw out your own conclusions.

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beginning of the film. So we have testimony from a

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number of people in and around the town of Virginia, Brazil,

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January nineteen ninety six of a cylindrical shape object a

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little larger than the size of a big school bus,

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an American sized school bus, cigar shaped metallic didn't have

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any controlled services, didn't have any exhaust events. It was

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a white vapor smoke. They said it wasn't like the

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didn't make any sound. In fact that the farmers that

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threat Us, they said that had the farm animals not

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they wouldn't have even known it was there because it

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was so silent. But they went out and saw this

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like again, this cigar shaped craft. And then ultimately a

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gentleman by the name of Carlos Sosoza, who was a

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Speaker 9: Light pilot, and he was driving very early in the

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and he saw that same object that a lot of

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other people had described, cylindrical shape object, and he was

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Speaker 9: And it was five o'clock in the morning, maybe four

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thirty five am, and he's looking at it and he

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never thought alien. He was thinking maybe it was some

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sort of super secret military thing. But he was like,

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that thing's going down.

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Speaker 5: And it did.

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Speaker 9: It went down in a field in a place called

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the Myolini Farm, and he turned off the freeway.

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first thing that was really unusual was that he was

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expecting the smell like when an aircraft goes down. You

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can smell the Jeta fuel. You can smell you know,

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fuel like gasoline, you know, and he goes, that wasn't

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this smell. This smell was more like like rotten eggs, ammonia, sulfur.

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Speaker 9: And there was one piece of it about half the size,

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still intact, and then another the other half was sort

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of spread over a very large area, bigger than a

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football field, and bits of aluminum, different shapes, and he

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said he picked one of them. Up and he was

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was light as a feather. And as he's looking at

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this piece and he's smelling this really strong odor that

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was crippling, some military trucks from the opposite direction came

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saw on the news. Whether it was a week or

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two weeks later, he saw the news these girls in

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the town of Ourgenia reporting these strange creature. They got

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within eight to ten feet of it and broad daylight,

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and the story was exploding in the news.

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Speaker 2: He saw this.

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Speaker 9: One researcher, Clodiokovo, I think his name was Clodiokovo, Ubertajada, Rodriguez, Papcaccini,

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They're all in the news, and he thought, my gosh,

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maybe what I saw is connected to that, like maybe

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so he had been threatened at the time of silence,

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but he had one meeting and he did one very

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brief on camera interview about it with Clodio Kovo. We

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have that and then and then he vanished for the

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better part of twenty six years, and then there were

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lots of people in the town. There was the media

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outlets Princessa TV. All the journalists were encountering roadblocks at gunpoint,

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threatened with prison time if they'd ask any more questions

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about this, about these beings, about this crash, about this incident.

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town that either heard about the multiple captures. There were

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two police officers, Marco Scheriz Eric Lopes captured a being.

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Speaker 2: We heard it went to this one hospital called Regional Hospital.

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There were reports from.

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Speaker 9: Another hospital at Humanitas Hospital of a being there.

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Speaker 2: There were nurses and doctors quietly in.

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Speaker 9: The background, you were, you know, we investigated this for

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decades self, I'm on my seventeenth year. My partner Marko

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Lal for over twenty years. And yeah, and ultimately we

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heard the Americans came in and took over the operation

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and flew the material out of a place called Campinas

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was to the south and back to the United States.

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Speaker 1: Just absolutely amazing. I want to dig into some of

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the details. I understand there was a local chief of

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police Pedro Aguar, I believe is how you stated, and

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his lawyer described a standoff with soldiers who showed up

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demanding that he hand over whatever evidence.

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Speaker 5: Evidence that he had. I can't talk this morning. What

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can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 1: Because it sounds like the cover up started well before

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the Americans showed up.

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Speaker 9: So I just you just gave me goosebumps because we

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had We've been going after Pedro for years. In fact,

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we tried to get him on the first in twenty

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twenty one. We'd been in touch with him. We've done

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some video calls because we heard that we heard it

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from two separate people that he had a photograph of

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one of the beans and it had two fire department

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and one police officer.

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Speaker 2: I believe. Anyway, we heard about this photograph.

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Speaker 9: We've been going after it, and he was like, I

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jokingly say, he's like a bar soap in the bathtub.

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Like you'd get to him, he'd answer the phone, talk

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a little bit. We had one zoom call, but then

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he would vanish, disappear. And this went on for several

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years and then finally last year or the end of

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twenty twenty, no in twenty twenty five, in January of

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twenty twenty five, we doorstepped him, as we'd done many

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times in the past. He reluctantly gave us an on

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camera interview, and it went beyond the photograph that he

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had participated. But he wouldn't he'd seen the bean, talked

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about it. Maybe it was covered in a net or something.

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He was very difficult and he said, it is not

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a story, it's part of our history.

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Speaker 2: It happened.

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Speaker 9: I participated, He gave his interview, and then a few

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months later he died, and that's in the new cut

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of the film. So we went back four times in

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the period of twelve months, and we were tracked down

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his now widow. She confessed on camera. Yes, he said

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he saw the bean. He participated, but didn't want to

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go into too much more detail. We tracked down his

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two sons, got them on camera.

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Speaker 2: This is just recently. Yes, he saw the bean. Our

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dad was a badass. He had a gun everywhere he went.

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Speaker 9: He dealt with gangsters and drug dealers, and he wasn't

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afraid of anyone, but he was afraid of these men

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in suits.

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Speaker 2: We found his dog. We tracked her down. She went

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on camera.

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Speaker 9: We haven't released this stuff, yet we're going to release

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it for free. And then we found his lawyer, and

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his lawyer gave us to sit down interview. That too,

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is on camera, and we're going to be releasing that

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in the coming weeks. I'd just been so busy and

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what happened, what we found out was and he didn't

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reveal all of this on camera when he gave us

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his interview, but he was summoned at the first capture

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in the morning on Anuary twentieth to a location. Wasn't

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given the specifics of exactly what was going on, but

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it was like full sos, you know, get down here.

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Immediately he was given the coordinates, he drove down, he

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got out of his car, he's making his way up

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to those point that point, and he's met with two

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military soldiers armed with rifles at gunpoint.

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Speaker 2: Stop freeze, you're not going in for national security.

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Speaker 9: He pulls out his gun and he's pointing his gun

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back at the two young soldiers.

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Speaker 2: He was probably forty five. He's like, I'm chief of police.

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You can't threaten me. You guys are going to be arrested,

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going to jail. This is national security. You can't go

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any further and they have this standoff. And as this

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standoff is happening, his gun is drawn, their guns are drawn.

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Speaker 9: They're pointing out each other. He sees two fire I

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believe fire department people. It could have been one fire department,

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one police, but definitely he sees something being captured and

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it was the creature, and it was a net or

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something that they captured it with. And then he was

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ultimately taken back to as a military base. He talks

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about all the brass. He said he'd never seen so

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much military brass. It was an issue of national security.

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Shut your pie hole, like and then he heard the

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Americans came in, and so we were getting new We're

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getting new leads by the day every time we go there.

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So we found out that when you watch the new

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cut and you see his participation in the film, you'll

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hear him say, I participated, I was there.

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Speaker 2: It happened. It's not a story, it's history, you know.

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Speaker 9: And that's just one And we have the two forensic

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pathologists because one of the military officers that apparently grabbed

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the creature with one of the creatures with his bare

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hands died a few weeks later of an infection and

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then we interviewed the forensic mythologists. We interviewed doctor Armando

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that did the autopsy and he provided the tissue samples

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to the head of the company, IPD Labs, doctor Janini,

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who studied the tissue samples, and he went on in

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this latest cut and said, look, man, this is a

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very rare form of bacteria. That's very rare that we

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do have, but it had evolved in a way that

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I've never seen any bacteria liken on Earth. And that's

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all in the film. We got the autopsy report, we

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got doctor Romando did the autopsy. We got the doctor

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who worked on the military officer when he was still alive.

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He'd never seen anything like it in his life. And

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then of course now we have the neurosurgeon at Regional Hospital,

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who I know there's been controversy on him because they

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go he's changed his story.

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Speaker 2: He said that he didn't you know that he just

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saw the video of the creature but didn't see the creature.

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It was like, yeah, that was us.

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Speaker 9: We went after him about the video bits, just like

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we went off to the former chief of police and

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he confessed on video to me. I remember it was

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a couple of years ago, because we were all about

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where's the video, where's the video? And he gave us

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the name of the person, Marcos Venics, who shot the video.

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He was a fellow neurosurgeon. He had a hard tech

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in twenty eighteen. We were going after the video, but

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when pushed further, he denied any further involvement of seeing

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and then he had a heart attack and he was

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staring at the ceiling of the ICU and he was like,

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if I survived this, I'm not taking this to the grave.

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I'm going to contact James's team and I'm going to

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go full Kmoto, which he ultimately did.

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Speaker 2: And I know that people are like, oh, I'm.

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Speaker 9: Skeptical and he's so if he's lying, and this is

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the first time in the history of the phenomenon, and

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I challenge anyone out there to correct me if I'm

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wrong here that we have extremely compelling, firsthand eyewitness testimony

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of direct contact, limited communication with a captured non human

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intelligence being. Okay, I've never seen it before. We have

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accounts in the wild, but not captured, not in a

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hospital with the lead neurosurgeon. Now, I just have to say,

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if he is lying, he's lying to his wife, he's

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lying to his coworkers, he's lying to his children, he's

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lying to his colleagues. I brought together for the first

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time just last year, late last year, all the doctors,

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the known doctors that had something to do with this case.

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Doctor Armando, doctor Jannini, doctor Cesario, doctor Ittolo, their wives,

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in some cases their kids. How long have you known

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doctor Ittalo? Forty five years? Interesting? Thirty five years interesting?

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You talked to people in the town. This guy still

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is the head neurosurgeon regional hospital. He's not selling a book,

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he's not asking for a dime. He's willing to take

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a public line detective test with his right hand on

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a bible and he's like, yeah, I lied. I wasn't

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prepared to come forward since then I had a heart attack.

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I'm not taking the.

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Speaker 2: Story to the grave.

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Speaker 9: So of course it's you know, it is what it is,

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but obviously people want more proof. We flew some of

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these witnesses out to Washington, DC. We did an event

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at the National Press Club. I did that on my

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own dime, borrowing resources to put that together because it's

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such a significant development in this crash retrieval stuff. I

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wanted people to give people the opportunity to meet them,

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to shake their hand, to look them in the eye,

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ask them the tough questions, meet their wives. We also

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had a closed door meeting with members of Congress City

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members of Congress to meet the neurosurgeon, meet the forensic pathologists,

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meet the crash witness, Carlos de Sosa.

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Speaker 2: Which we did.

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Speaker 9: They were impressed to the point where they were launching

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their own investigation trying to get the flight logs. So

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there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes

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on that. And yeah, it's an extraordinary case, and I

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think it's the case that could settle this debate once

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and for all.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. So I actually want to play a

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tape of this doctor, and I completely agree. When you

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listen to him there, in my opinion, there is no

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way this guy is Lyne.

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Speaker 9: So let's watch question I'd like to I'd like to

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ask Ganini how long Tannini has known.

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Speaker 2: This good sugar so a long time.

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Speaker 6: Years?

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Speaker 9: Let's say, doctor Romaldo, how long have you known.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five years? How long have you known thirty five years?

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Speaker 9: So, doctors, when he says he saw the creature in

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captivity at regional hospital.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys believe him?

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Speaker 3: Jauvilu will fixed so much?

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's somebody, he said, Gus doctor. Yeah, I mean

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I got something I gotta show you. Do you have

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him in the lab coat in the hospital too?

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Speaker 5: Say that again.

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Speaker 2: There's a shot of him in the hospital with his

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lab coat on. I don't know if you have it

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or not, but you can figure that, I think. Okay.

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Speaker 9: Anyway, so when that was happening, there was a woman

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that came up to both me and there's that guy

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Amar from Yes Theory.

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Speaker 2: He's in the video.

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Speaker 9: He's going to be he was filming all behind the scenes.

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He's going to be releasing something I think in a

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few months. But in any case, this woman came up

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to me. She was shaking like this. I can't say

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exactly who she is yet, she will come forward. Doctor

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Iolo is telling the truth. Doctor Amar was there, all

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my other people, Marco, everyone was there.

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Speaker 2: She was shaking like this.

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Speaker 9: Doctor Little was telling the truth. Doctor Elio is telling

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the true. They said, how do you know? She said,

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because I was there, And then she described exactly the

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scene in the in the regional hospital.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was just like and there are other doctors.

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Speaker 9: We were knocking on every single clinics door just like

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00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:20,079
a month and a half ago, getting other doctors to

476
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,519
come forward and talk about you know who doctor Etolo is,

477
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,559
his character, his credibility. Did they hear about it? Did

478
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,839
they see the video? So it's it's an ongoing thing.

479
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,200
And I I, like I said before, you know, if

480
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,920
this guy's lying, I don't see a motive.

481
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: I just don't.

482
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 9: He'd have to be lying to his wife and his kids,

483
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,319
and his coworkers and his all of his call and

484
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,599
he's not asking for any money, right.

485
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 5: And the other and the other, Yeah, go ahead, please.

486
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: No, No, I just I just don't see a motive.

487
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:52,799
I just don't.

488
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 5: And the other thing you have to consider too.

489
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: Obviously, a doctor's reputation is everything, uh, especially professionally because

490
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,000
other doctors refer their patients to other doctors if there's

491
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,279
something that they don't want to handle.

492
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 5: So, just from a professional lens, there is.

493
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: Zero reason why this man would lie and potentially jeopardize

494
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,720
his medical reputation.

495
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,799
Speaker 5: It doesn't add up. It clearly doesn't.

496
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm you know, if I had to put my life, obviously,

497
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,960
one could never be one hundred percent sure of anything, right,

498
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:31,200
So if I had to put my life on line

499
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,279
or not lying, it would be I put my life

500
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,200
on he's not lying.

501
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 5: I'm with you on that. There's a detail. I want

502
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,279
to talk about something that kind of struck me.

503
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: So the girls that ran into this being, and they

504
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:50,160
described it as crouching, seemingly injured, with dark brown skin

505
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,440
and large eyes. But doctor Venturelli's account from the hospital

506
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,279
is really different. This being is composed communicative.

507
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 5: Eyes, like a drop up of water.

508
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,759
Speaker 1: Do you think that we're we were he saw the

509
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,200
same being or do you think it was you know,

510
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,359
there were multiple beings?

511
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts?

512
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: I've got a couple.

513
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:16,759
Speaker 9: So I asked him in great detail when we were

514
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,720
in Washington, d C. Because I I I'll get a

515
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:25,599
witness to go, and it drives people crazy sometimes, particularly witnesses,

516
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,680
because I will want to do a recreation of every

517
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,960
not just second, but millisecond, okay. And I was doing

518
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:34,240
this with him for probably four to six hours, and

519
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,839
I could see him getting a little irritable because my

520
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,079
attention to detail was so you know, I was so focused,

521
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,079
and I said, uh, when you say this being looked

522
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:44,039
out the window twice.

523
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:46,559
Speaker 2: What did this being seeing what was not the window?

524
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,359
Blue sky?

525
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 9: It was a sunny day, clouds. I'm like, okay, Well,

526
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,359
the second capture took place in the early evening. That

527
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,440
was five thirty, and that was just a couple of

528
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400
blocks away from the girls encounter. Okay, so well, first,

529
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,200
when I first started thinking about it, I was like, well, gosh,

530
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,319
this thing's got more of a white skin. He didn't

531
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:08,720
talk about the smell. The body was the same spindle,

532
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:10,359
the arms spin on the legs, about the size of

533
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,799
a seven year old, the big, large head, the big eyes.

534
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,079
He said they were more lilac as opposed to red,

535
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,000
but they were also tear drop. The communication occurred through

536
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,440
the eyes. But I started there with some differences, but

537
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,759
then the biggest difference was I was going, well, wait

538
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,839
a minute, it couldn't have been if it was January twentieth.

539
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,279
It couldn't have been what the girls saw, because the

540
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:32,920
girls saw theirs at three twenty. The capture was around

541
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,759
five thirty. It would have been at the hospital around

542
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,000
six pm that night. It was pissing rain.

543
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: And so when I got.

544
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 9: Paid through Aguiarre story of the morning capture from that creature.

545
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,880
I was thinking, Wow, maybe that's the creature that was

546
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,640
taken to regional hospital because there were two. Maybe that's

547
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,000
the creature that he saw or end or do these

548
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:56,880
beans have Are they like chameleons?

549
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Do they have the.

550
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,039
Speaker 9: Ability to their skin color excreet or exude a foul

551
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,279
smell when they feel threatened and scared and vulnerable like

552
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:10,039
a skunk? Did their skin change color in the blazing

553
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,599
hot sun? The girls all said this being was suffering.

554
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:17,440
Nobody felt threatened. The girls actually Katya had prolonged you know,

555
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:19,279
telepathic communication with this.

556
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: She was locked eyes with this.

557
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 9: She was the oldest of the group for a prolonged period,

558
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,400
and she said it it communicated to her, help me

559
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,160
or leave me alone. When I said to leave me alone,

560
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,519
it was more like, don't hurt me, leave me be

561
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:36,920
or help me.

562
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,319
Speaker 2: She was considering helping this being. And to this day

563
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,920
she goes, I feel terrible because this being was.

564
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,279
Speaker 9: Non threatening, It was scared, it was vulnerable, it was suffering,

565
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:49,039
and it wanted help.

566
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: And I left it.

567
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,279
Speaker 9: And then the military and god knows what they subjected

568
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,599
what they did to this poor being, and she felt

569
00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:59,160
to this day she feels guilty about it that she

570
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,960
didn't help it. And I thought to myself, boy, had

571
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,279
she helped it, it would have been like the real

572
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:07,799
life et.

573
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very very true. Uh yeah, it's a story

574
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,480
is just so incredibly fascinating.

575
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 5: This case. I wouldn't even call it a story.

576
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, one more thing, quickly, I thought, you know, because

577
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:27,880
it is baffling, right, there are inconsistencies. If Ittolo is lying,

578
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,279
why wouldn't he knows the girls have been saying it

579
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,039
had brown skin and smelly, it's been all over everything.

580
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he just duplicate that? Right? You know, I

581
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:43,720
just doesn't. I can't find a motive. I just can't.

582
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,839
I've been trying to.

583
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,599
Speaker 9: I've been trying to poke holes in the story, and

584
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,839
and I'm I've spent so much time with doctor Eathlow,

585
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,279
getting to know his wife and his coworkers. We go

586
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,440
down to his local like watering Hole and and say

587
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,480
watering hole like he's a drinker. But he has this

588
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,799
lovely restaurant just a couple of blocks away from his

589
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,599
house that he and his family go to often. He

590
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,400
plays piano like Mozart. He loves music. He loves to

591
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,720
perform live in a public setting. I met all the

592
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:14,000
people that he hangs out with in his community, all

593
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,160
the interns that he's been working with and still works with.

594
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,240
So he'd had to be lying to everybody, and he's

595
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:22,559
not asking for a penny, And he knows that this

596
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:26,480
is not a career enhancing move. He knows that he's

597
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:29,799
claiming face to face contact with a bloody alien right,

598
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,880
and he's working on people's brains. And he's still the

599
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,440
head neurosurgeon in fact, regional hospital tried to let him go,

600
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,960
but he's in so much demand. He's still operating independent

601
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,799
contractor because there's nobody to replace him.

602
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: He does stuff that nobody else can do.

603
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 5: I mean that speaks volumes right there.

604
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the exhumation of Marco Scheriz.

605
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,559
You know, of course, he was this military policeman who

606
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:55,720
handled one of the beings and died later.

607
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,839
Speaker 5: Where does that effort stand on the ex of his body?

608
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: So doctor Janini is serious about it.

609
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 9: What we found out recently is that we not only

610
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,279
have to get permission from Marco Cheriz's family, which we could.

611
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,599
We feel quite confident that we can make that happen.

612
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,279
But there was another person buried I think just on

613
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,200
top of him. So they had to reach out to

614
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,319
their family, that individual's family get permission to exhume that

615
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:28,880
body and then dig down further and get Marco Scheriz's body.

616
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,440
And I don't know what the percentage of the likelihood

617
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,000
of getting that bacteria, but doctor Janini wants.

618
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:39,839
Speaker 2: To do it, and he's very serious about that.

619
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:45,279
Speaker 1: How many separate videos of the Virginia incident do you

620
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,279
think exist and who was confirmed seeing him? I think

621
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,000
you've offered something like what two hundred grand or something

622
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,319
for a reward for people to come forward about this

623
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,680
with videos or photos we got.

624
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 9: It's hard to say, right because you don't know, you

625
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,880
don't know if there's people scamming. But I think the

626
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,160
closest we got to it was a couple of years ago.

627
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,000
We spoke to a very big YouTuber. I mean he's

628
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:12,960
very big, one of the biggest, one of the biggest

629
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:14,320
in across Brazil.

630
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:18,199
Speaker 2: We went on his show and he saw it.

631
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,679
Speaker 9: He was negotiating to buy it and maybe six to

632
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,920
ten years prior, and he's like, well, look I need

633
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,320
to see it.

634
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,599
Speaker 2: I need to know you have it, And he watched

635
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:34,760
it and then somehow they couldn't come up with the money.

636
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:42,599
Speaker 9: Something weird went sideways, and the person with it felt betrayed, exposed, betrayed.

637
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,960
Something went sideways. That individual reached out to us, oh

638
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,199
six to ten years after the fact. Don't give me

639
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,719
exact quote on this and the exact timeframe, but it

640
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,159
was like a year and a half two years ago.

641
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: We were in negotiations with this individual. And the problem

642
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,320
is is that.

643
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 9: I was like, look, man, I need to see it,

644
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,159
and once I see it and have it looked at,

645
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,480
I know I can raise the money to compensate you

646
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,440
for the film. The problem is he's like, well I

647
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,719
got burned last time I showed it and it was

648
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,880
like we were in negotiations.

649
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to happen. I really did.

650
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,559
Speaker 9: That was the closest we got to it, and we

651
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,800
were we knew someone who dealt with this individual that

652
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,480
had seen it, so we felt pretty confident that.

653
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:25,159
Speaker 2: We were going to get it.

654
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 9: But then that person went completely dark. There was another

655
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:31,559
person that we were in touch with last year I

656
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:35,000
think it was last year, and this person wanted no money,

657
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,159
just come and take it.

658
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,639
Speaker 2: I want this burden out of my life. I don't

659
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:39,920
want this.

660
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,119
Speaker 9: I got the impression that it was a husband that

661
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,639
had died and left it with his wife, and the

662
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,599
wife wanted it out like she just wanted. I said, look,

663
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,639
I'll jump on a plane. I'll come meet with you.

664
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,199
Speaker 2: It was far away, but I got to have some proof.

665
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 9: You got to show me a couple of seconds, because

666
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:58,559
I can't just every time someone says they have something,

667
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:00,840
I can't jump on a plane. I was making the

668
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:03,239
I was finalizing the program right here in the studio

669
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,159
behind us, and.

670
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,079
Speaker 2: That and then that.

671
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 9: This individual gave me a timeframe if it's not by

672
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,000
this time, and I said, look, you need to show me.

673
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:17,280
We had to standoff and then gone. And then we

674
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:23,480
spoke to two individuals. In fact, Michael Schellenberger contacted those

675
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,159
two individuals because he was going to report on this

676
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:26,519
for the.

677
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,079
Speaker 2: New York Post, and the New York Post.

678
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 9: Said, well, we'll talk about this so called alien footage,

679
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:35,199
but we need confirmation from at least two people that

680
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,440
have seen it. So Michael Schellenberger with the New York

681
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,679
Post a couple of years ago, got interviews with those

682
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,880
people and felt it compelling enough to write about it,

683
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,119
and the source of the footage it was a photograph,

684
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:53,719
was Pedro Aguiar, and I pressed Pedro on camera harder

685
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,599
than you can ever imagine it in January of twenty

686
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,400
twenty five.

687
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,559
Speaker 2: And this is in the movie. A lot of it's

688
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:01,039
in the movie.

689
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,039
Speaker 9: And he ultimately confessed that, you know, at one point

690
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,079
there was a photograph, didn't know where it was.

691
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,639
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god. And so that's a source.

692
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 9: Military X had a source that we were probably maybe

693
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,599
a day or two away from this source showing it

694
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,519
to Marco Leal, my partner. We were super excited about that.

695
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:29,760
Then the military base called threatened. Military X not like

696
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,400
we're going to basically like I used to living at

697
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:32,960
this location.

698
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: How's the wife? How the kit?

699
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: You know?

700
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: By the way, there was this American filmmaker poking around.

701
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,800
Have you met you know? Blah blah blah. Now there's

702
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,400
other source.

703
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,119
Speaker 9: We've talked to two doctors, three doctors that have seen

704
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:49,719
the footage that Marco Venice has shot, and we're trying

705
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,559
to chase that down.

706
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: But it's tough, man.

707
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 9: It's really hard because people that were involved in the case,

708
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,679
not everybody, but most people were threatened and uh, and

709
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,880
that's with no evidence.

710
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 2: Now you have videotaped evidence. You got something to be

711
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,360
worried about.

712
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 5: Wow.

713
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry for the pause for for some weird reason

714
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,119
in my ear Uh. And I've never had this happen before.

715
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,320
But it's like the signal is being jammed. I have these,

716
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,480
you know, wireless belt packs, so I'm having a difficult

717
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:24,440
time hearing you. So so I'm just gonna kind of

718
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,559
work with it the best I can. Probably, I don't

719
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:32,039
know Arrow or or whoever back east is is fucking

720
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:32,800
with us right now.

721
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 5: Oh did I lose you?

722
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:35,639
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.

723
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,519
Speaker 5: Okay, you totally had me.

724
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: Do you remember do you remember the Do you remember

725
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,440
the Battlestar Galactica back in the late seventies with the

726
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:50,000
Cylon Centurions. But yes, that's exactly how you sound to

727
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:56,039
me right now in my earpiece. So okay, yeah, this

728
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,480
is Uh. I've never had this happen before. Now, you

729
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,880
said an American contacted you with knowledge of where the

730
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,480
recovered beings from Virginia were taken on to the U.

731
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:09,440
S side without compromising your sources.

732
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,039
Speaker 5: What can you tell us about what they told you.

733
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: Let's let's put it this way.

734
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 9: Uh, I think the evidence for Virginia is not far

735
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:20,880
from Virginia.

736
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 5: Got it? Okay? I think I think you. I think

737
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,880
you're pretty much pretty much settled down. I want to

738
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:30,000
play another.

739
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 7: Clip altitude again and then.

740
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 9: And disappeared behind the mountain.

741
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 5: In this morning to say, so you went like.

742
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:49,559
Speaker 1: You think about fuel?

743
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,559
Speaker 5: All right, so tell us what we saw there.

744
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 9: So we had a closed door meeting with city members

745
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,039
of Congress, introduced them to some of the leading witnesses.

746
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:06,079
Speaker 2: I actually had.

747
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,639
Speaker 9: I'd have to do the exact official count, but it

748
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,679
was at least four more at least four more, maybe

749
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,320
six other people that we were applying for visas that

750
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:21,800
got turned down, unfortunately. But we did get the neurosurgeon,

751
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,079
we got the forensic pathologist, and we got the lead

752
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:29,199
crash witness, Carlos Sososa in to meet with city members

753
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,840
of Congress. It was going to be written up by

754
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,360
a very reputable, very reputable well, some people would argue

755
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,960
that whatever mainstream news outlet the story was written, it

756
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,159
was copy edited, there were photographs taken, it was going

757
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,559
to print, and then literally hours before it was going

758
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,599
out to print, it got stepped on. But that was

759
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:54,840
a private meeting with members of Congress on the Virginia

760
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,440
case because we were hoping to inspire them enough to

761
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:02,360
start an investigation on the Americans. And we were, according

762
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,400
to Congressman Burls, and we were successful at that. Okay,

763
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,079
I'll say one more thing, which was fascinating. I had

764
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:16,400
to pinch myself in the meeting. I never thought, just

765
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:20,400
even a few years ago that we probably a year ago,

766
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,800
that we'd be sitting with members of Congress meeting with

767
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,119
an alleged first hand witness, in this case, a neurosurgeon,

768
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:35,239
to describe face to face contact limited communication with a

769
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,679
non human intelligence, that it was in captivity, and that

770
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,599
those allegations, that those claims would be taken very seriously.

771
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,199
I mean they were asking Luna and Burchette and Burleson

772
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,639
and there were other chiefs of staff and stuff there.

773
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:57,199
They were asking very intelligent questions, very serious questions. They

774
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:02,320
were taking those allegations very very seriously. I mean, particularly

775
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,639
a neurosurgeon. I mean, look, the guy uses credibility.

776
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

777
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is as soon as you were

778
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,880
done talking about the the source telling you stuff you

779
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,000
know right here on the top of the page. As

780
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:19,559
soon as you were done with the question, that interference

781
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,119
just switched completely off.

782
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 5: So I think we're getting jacked with here.

783
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:27,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I see how you were all I

784
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,920
I uh, all right, I've got another clip to play here.

785
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 7: Three members of Congress for in a room, you know,

786
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,880
asking questions of a medical doctor who says that he

787
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,159
was in the presence of a live alien being in

788
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,039
the context extraordinary case that James hasn't investigating for a

789
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,239
long time, with lots and lots of witnesses, and you know,

790
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,840
that's I doubt that's ever happened before for members of Congress.

791
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,679
So I'm just curious, like what that what that experience

792
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,519
was like for you, and whether you have anything you

793
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:01,639
want to say about that meeting and what that meant

794
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,119
and how that might have affect your relationship.

795
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:06,119
Speaker 8: To all of us.

796
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,639
Speaker 4: It was an amazing meeting. We met down the so

797
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,000
my office is down the hall for Tim Burch's office.

798
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:18,400
We met at Tim's office and it was just it

799
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,639
was a great, great group we had these gentlemen. The

800
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:23,400
one thing that kind of came across to me is

801
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,880
that they were that they were absolutely genuine in what

802
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:32,039
they had been experiencing, you know, they felt like that

803
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:35,320
this was that that they were compelled to come forward.

804
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:39,000
But but again they they knew that this would maybe

805
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:44,880
threaten their reputation, threaten potentially their careers, and the type

806
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,639
of courage that that takes is something that should be applauded.

807
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,440
So it was it was amazing to hear that, and

808
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,639
we when we were able to ask details on the

809
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,760
on the question on the on the narratives that they

810
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,320
had given us, the fact that they would that they

811
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:03,599
could go into more further details with, you know, without

812
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,360
being having to think about it, it just it became

813
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,760
clear that they truly did have this experience.

814
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,119
Speaker 8: What are the aspects that we tried to focus on

815
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,039
at our event at the National Press Club January twentieth

816
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:19,320
of this year was that we kind of understood the

817
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,159
potential national security issues related to any potential recovered technology,

818
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,199
but that as David Grush would refer to them, the

819
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,159
biologics or the non human entities, no human beings, non

820
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,079
human intelligence beings that shouldn't have any national security issues

821
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:38,599
to releasing that nature of information to the world. Do

822
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:41,440
you agree with that or do you feel that that's case?

823
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:44,079
Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with that. I agree I totally agree

824
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:46,079
with that, like, if we have evidence, or if we

825
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:49,760
have bodies, we should release that to the world.

826
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:54,639
Speaker 8: Now, I understand extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but you know,

827
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,440
you've got to the lead neurosurgeon, doctor Eteloe, who's still

828
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,840
working on PE's brains. He's still the lead neuroshows in

829
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,599
a regional hospital today. He's not selling his story. He's

830
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,639
not selling a book. He'd be lying to his mother,

831
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,199
to his entire family, his wife, his children, his coworkers,

832
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,039
his colleagues.

833
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 5: Where's the motive?

834
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:16,559
Speaker 3: You know?

835
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,199
Speaker 8: But I've seen people attack him in ways that to

836
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,159
debunk and I understand it's a tall order to believe

837
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,000
something of that nature, but I think that that story

838
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:29,239
merits a deeper investigation. That's one of the reasons why

839
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,639
I felt it important to introduce some of the primary

840
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,679
witnesses to members of Congress and people on the task Force,

841
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,360
so they can shake their hands, meet their wives and say, wow,

842
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:42,480
I find this eyewitness testimony very compelling. Perhaps we can

843
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,079
do a little digging. Now we have potential flight from

844
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,559
the United States campin US, we have a date, we

845
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:50,320
have a location. Maybe we can find out anything on

846
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,119
the American side.

847
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: What I'm trying to do is get specific things that

848
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,639
might confirm some of the stories that it happens. So,

849
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,199
for example, in the Barginia case, in Brazil, we can

850
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,679
try to track down the flight logs. I think we've

851
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,480
already sent a letter to the FBI requesting that they

852
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:11,880
look into this and determine what the flight logs were

853
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:15,079
and try to get that information. We can make a

854
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,840
request of any kind of documents to be released from Brazil.

855
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,480
When we have a press conference on this, and I

856
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,679
hope that Anna does a press conference soon, I'm going

857
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,039
to be making very specific asks, and one of those

858
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,800
will be that other nations join the United States to

859
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,880
demonstrate the same level of disclosure, because there's likely information

860
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,320
that's being held by other countries as well.

861
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,559
Speaker 2: I'm having hard time hearing you here.

862
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:08,519
Speaker 5: Kidding, just kidding. I got you, I got you, all right,

863
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,199
My god, you had a little oh like I I'

864
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,280
oh yeah, sorry. I couldn't resist. I couldn't. I couldn't resist.

865
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,119
Speaker 2: You did you did better than me? You did better

866
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:22,679
than I did.

867
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,519
Speaker 5: No, you did, you did pretty good.

868
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,159
Speaker 1: Okay, So the question I was actually reading with my

869
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,239
with my MIC's which stop that's funny one of the mods.

870
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 5: Uh uh, Mary that that helps us out. She just

871
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:36,000
u she just.

872
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: Texted, damn you, Matty. I guess they were all panicking too. Okay,

873
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,400
So so talking about air aircraft. So nineteen forty nine

874
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,800
c C I a document references recovered materials from Brazil.

875
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:55,119
You've also referenced Colonel Klausen and this unauthorized US cargo

876
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,639
plane on Brazilian soil. And I remember when I when

877
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:03,039
I watched your your incredible thing at the press club.

878
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,079
You know, there was some talk of like trying to

879
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,840
track down the flight plan of this probably was a

880
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,199
C one thirty. I'm guessing has anyone had any luck

881
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:14,440
with that.

882
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: We're doing a deep dive. I mean, we're let me

883
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,760
tell you, Colonel Clausen, thank you. Colonel. By the way,

884
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,320
he's also a witness.

885
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,079
Speaker 9: He was a fighter jet pilot and he was contacting

886
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:32,079
me a couple of years ago anonymously. And you know,

887
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:34,159
I get contacted by a lot of people, but this

888
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,239
guy was like really just really knowledgeable.

889
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 2: Finally, after a couple of months, I was like, excuse me,

890
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,519
thank you, by the way, but who are you?

891
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:44,679
Speaker 9: He goes, well, actually I'm a United States Air Force colonel.

892
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,119
I'm a former fighter pilot. I had it a dramatic

893
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,440
UFO and counterback in nineteen eighty over northern Europe, and

894
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,519
I was and we hit it off and we've beencome

895
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,239
friends ever since. And he was like, let me just

896
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,000
tell you, I believe that the Americans were involved, and

897
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,559
if they were, even if it was a top seat mission,

898
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,960
there's going to be a paper trail, and let me

899
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,920
tell you where. And he started rattling off. If it

900
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,920
was a C one seven, then it would have to

901
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,159
get refueled. The flight distance was this far da da dah,

902
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,800
there would have been this, And jokingly he participated at

903
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,440
the National Press Club event that we did January twentieth.

904
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,639
You could watch it for free online. I think News

905
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,320
Nation did a whole thing on it. But he's jokingly

906
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,280
called Colonel paper Trail now because he's going through all

907
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,199
the different possibilities of where the paper troil would be,

908
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:34,199
and he's gotten every single tail number for every single

909
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,639
C one seven And we don't know for sure it

910
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,280
was a C one seven. We think it was a

911
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,760
C one seven, but it could have been a C

912
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,280
one thirty. But we're but he's getting all the tail numbers,

913
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,719
finding out where they were based how they and then

914
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,599
members of Congress are helping us now too, because, as

915
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:52,159
you saw in the movie, we filed defouder request back

916
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:55,360
in twenty twenty two. It took so long to hear

917
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,400
back from them that I'd forgotten that we'd filed that.

918
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:00,599
Our team was a gentleman that held out with that,

919
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,840
And we got a response in twenty twenty five, and

920
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,400
it was from.

921
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 2: The CIA and they were CIA was like, CA was like,

922
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,280
you know, we can either confirm nor deny.

923
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 9: I mean, he's almost comical, and therefore your request, you know,

924
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,440
is denied.

925
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: And then they said, you know, due to the National.

926
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 9: Security Act of nineteen forty nine, you know, we're exempt

927
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,440
from having to disclose that nature and blah blah blah

928
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,519
blah blah. But it was interesting that we set this

929
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,880
boy in and we got a response to the CIA,

930
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:33,079
and the CIA seems to be I mean, the more

931
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,199
I learn, and you have to talk to uap Gurby's

932
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,360
way more knowledgeable than I'll ever be. But the more

933
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,800
I learn, it sounds like the CIA has been kind

934
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,920
of in charge of all this stuff.

935
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

936
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: Actually, I co wrote an article for The Daily Mail

937
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,280
with Chris Sharp and Josh Boswall a couple of years

938
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,239
ago where we detailed exactly what this little known office

939
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,760
called the CIA office a Global Access the dirty little

940
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,159
things they've been doing, picking up vehicles from our neighbors,

941
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,360
not from here, So the CIA.

942
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's there's some dirty stuff. So I'm curious.

943
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: Obviously people come to you, not only about this particular case,

944
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:16,920
but others, I'm sure, and you've probably got some pretty

945
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:20,800
juicy stuff in your head or on your laptop or whatever.

946
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,559
Do you have any kind of contingency plan, a kind

947
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:28,559
of dead man switch? We'll just say, if something were

948
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:30,920
to ever happen to you such that all of this

949
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:35,960
knowledge that you have not made public gets out, I.

950
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: Don't they could just take me out and all those

951
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,079
secrets that go to the great.

952
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:44,159
Speaker 5: Oh come on, now, you gotta have some kind of

953
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:45,880
backup plan. I certainly hope you do.

954
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:47,679
Speaker 2: You know I I.

955
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 9: Would be worried, And I thought about this, like like

956
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:55,440
to say, you know, I did get my hands on

957
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:56,880
the video, I'd be worried.

958
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've thought about.

959
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,159
Speaker 9: That scenario a lot of times. Then I would have

960
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,400
I would be legitimately worried. I can assure you.

961
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 2: Those the powers that be do not want that photograph

962
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,679
for that video despite even AI. They don't want that out.

963
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,599
Speaker 9: So you know, anybody with that type of evidence is

964
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,679
gonna it needs to be worried. I'll tell you about

965
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,599
this meeting I had. I'm not sure much time we have.

966
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:27,800
I'll be quick, you're gonna meet. I met with doctor

967
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,320
Peter Sturk, a physicist at Stanford University, and I interviewed

968
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:34,920
him for a film I did, Out of the Blue.

969
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,719
I did one version of Out of the Blue that

970
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,199
I did another version called the Director's cut, and that

971
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,400
was like an additional at least two two and a

972
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,039
half more years of work, and he might have appeared

973
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:47,599
and I know what I saw, but definitely out of

974
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:50,119
the blue. And he reached out to me a few

975
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:54,440
years back, somewhat out of the blue, and he's like, hey,

976
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:55,719
do you want to get together for lunch?

977
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: And I said yeah.

978
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 9: He goes, you want to meet that restaurant on the

979
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,159
north side of the Golden Gate Bridge in a town

980
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,079
called Salcelito, this Italian restaurant. We'd met there before. Yeah,

981
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,079
it'd be great. Hey do you mind if I bring

982
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:10,519
you know, a friend or whatever. And he's like, no,

983
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:13,119
I think just just the two of us for this meet.

984
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:18,559
Long story short, We meet and he says, I got

985
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:23,360
this material that I've been collecting over the decades, and

986
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,039
it's from various alleged UFO incidences and you know it's

987
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,159
basically metal stuff samples and angel hair and you know, it's.

988
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: Like, my God, that got my attention. And he said,

989
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,079
I'm gonna I'm gonna give you some I'm.

990
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,159
Speaker 9: Dispersing over a very wide, very large area, but you

991
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,480
need to make a promise to me. Okay, doctor Sturk,

992
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:47,800
what's that? He said, you need to tell me. You

993
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,840
need to promise me that you're never going to talk

994
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,360
about it. And I've gotten rid of it since then,

995
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,280
so I'm happy to talk about it now. You're never

996
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,440
going to talk about it on a phone via email.

997
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,039
It's face to face only, no recording devices. And I

998
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,519
looked at him and I thought, Jesus, are you that paranoid,

999
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,039
doctor Sturk?

1000
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: Really?

1001
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 9: And he said yeah, I'm that paranoid and you should

1002
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,760
be too. And I said, well, give me, like, what

1003
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,320
do you mean? He goes, well, he goes I had

1004
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,440
some stored in my and he had it. He goes,

1005
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,119
I'm not an idiot. I had it all over the

1006
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,360
different place. But he goes, I had some and my

1007
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,960
bank vault and I had some being analyzing labs. But

1008
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,760
I dispersed it over a very large He goes, I

1009
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,119
had my bank vault and my bank manager called me

1010
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:38,239
and he said, uh, doctor Sturk, misters steric, I don't

1011
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,159
have any explanation for this. We're going to investigate. But

1012
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,400
your bank vault door was open and the contents are empty.

1013
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,119
And they left the door open when they left, almost

1014
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:52,880
like well obviously intentionally.

1015
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's they can get to you.

1016
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 9: And I've talked, he goes, I've had them show up

1017
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,840
at a lab and take the stuff. My bank vault

1018
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,159
was emptied and the door left open. This is doctor Sturk.

1019
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:06,159
And if anybody out there knows who doctor Sturk is,

1020
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:10,079
this guy's not own to He's not crazy. He's a

1021
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:15,199
grounded physicist, I mean Stanford like, and he was serious,

1022
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,400
serious as a heart attack when he told me this stuff.

1023
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:20,400
I kept the stuff for a few years, and then

1024
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,039
I gave it to a few scientists, and I hope

1025
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:26,519
that that whatever they did with it, I hope it

1026
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:29,880
gets published publicly. I'll reach out to them at some

1027
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,000
point and find out. But yeah, he said that, and

1028
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:35,639
you know people that have like, I'll give you one

1029
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:36,239
more example.

1030
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 2: This is crazy.

1031
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 9: I was investigating the Phoenix Lights case for over a

1032
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:45,760
decade on and off, right, I've been back and forth.

1033
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,039
I got the Governor five Simon to go on the

1034
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:54,519
record for the first time, and I'll let everybody know.

1035
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,159
Like he initially came out and was like, you know.

1036
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,119
Speaker 2: This is serious. We need to launch an investigation and

1037
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,960
we're doing this, that and the other thing. And he

1038
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:03,679
was very serious.

1039
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 9: And then I think it was like later that day

1040
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,360
or very shortly there afterwards, he had that silly press

1041
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,159
confidence in one of his aides dressed up in a

1042
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,280
suit and YadA, YadA, YadA, made a joke out of

1043
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,440
the whole thing, which he later confessed it not only

1044
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:18,440
did he really launch an investigation, but he also he

1045
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:21,440
himself saw the craft and he determined immediately it was

1046
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:25,320
not of Earth origin. Anyway, during my early investigations, I

1047
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,639
was talking to Francis Barwood. She was one of the

1048
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,239
you know, she was a town councilwoman, and she was

1049
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,079
one of the few representatives that were like coming publicly

1050
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:37,400
and saying, hey, people saw something, let's launch an investigation.

1051
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: And she was lampooned.

1052
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 9: But this guy contacted her and he was like, hey,

1053
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,880
you're one of the few people that are taking this seriously.

1054
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,719
I'm a Vietnam vet. I was on my roof with

1055
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,000
a camera and a tripod, and I was going to

1056
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:58,000
get it a good shot of the What was that

1057
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:03,800
media writer that it was the helpop was Helm? Yeah, Yeah,

1058
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:05,880
he was gonna get shots at the hell Bob comment.

1059
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,519
He was all set up with his tripod and his

1060
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:11,559
camera and he had a little uh cebee radio and

1061
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:14,039
he was, you know, just something that he did, and

1062
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:18,039
he he said he could hear these truckers on Interstate

1063
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:22,760
ten between Tucson and Phoenix describing this very large boomerang

1064
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,360
shaped craft huge and he was like, according to the trucker,

1065
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,159
He's like, hey, that thing's coming right for me. So

1066
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,599
he turned his camera and he got it flying right

1067
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,639
over the top of him on camera with a tripod,

1068
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:37,519
which is like everyone's everyone's like tripod camera, you know.

1069
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,199
So he's like, I got this incredible video. Would you

1070
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,400
like to see it, and they make arrangements for he

1071
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,400
was going to drop it off at a Francis Francis's

1072
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:51,199
office and I don't know if it was later that

1073
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,400
day or the next morning, I don't I can't remember exactly,

1074
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,000
but it was very shortly after the phone call. Two

1075
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,280
men in suits showed up and it was July. The

1076
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,840
big sighting happened on March thirteenth, but this was July.

1077
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:07,880
It's very hot June or July. And he goes, yeah,

1078
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,920
there these two men in suits, shut up and in

1079
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,639
a government vehicle. And he goes, that was really odd

1080
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:14,320
because it was really hot. It was over one hundred

1081
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,599
degrees and they were in suits, which was a bit odd.

1082
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:18,840
And they knocked on my door and they were quite

1083
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,559
menacing looking, and they said, hey, we're here from Francis

1084
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:24,800
Barwood's office to pick up the footage. And he thought, well,

1085
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,840
that's great. That's a bit of a relief. I guess

1086
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,079
I saved me a trip. And so the only question

1087
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:31,800
they asked him is did you make any copies? And

1088
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,880
he said no, and he gave the footage and then

1089
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,440
he doesn't hear back from Francis Barwood, so he calls

1090
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:41,360
Francis like a week later. He's like, well, what'd you think?

1091
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:43,599
She goes, what do you mean when I think you

1092
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:45,519
were supposed to drop it off? Well, I didn't have

1093
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:47,320
to drop it off because two men from your office

1094
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:48,320
came round and picked it up.

1095
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:50,119
Speaker 2: She goes, I didn't send anybody around.

1096
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 9: He's like, well, yeah, and you could ask Francis Ma

1097
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,880
bar Wood, She'll tell you about it. So that was

1098
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,840
like I'd heard about these men in suits, you know,

1099
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,639
a couple times prior to that, But that was like,

1100
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,960
that was chilling and had this uncanny ability to appear.

1101
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,519
And I could go on until tomorrow morning with cases

1102
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:12,679
that I've heard. Then I finally, of course, with Virginia,

1103
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:14,840
I went all in when the mother of the two

1104
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,760
girls said that she had a visit from three or

1105
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,440
four men in suits intimidating her threat, you know, offering

1106
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,039
money to get her daughter's July blah blah blah.

1107
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they're from some organization, probably the CIA, I

1108
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:29,079
don't know.

1109
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and do I can I have you for

1110
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,199
like another ten to fifteen minutes, I know, we said,

1111
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:38,079
an es, Yeah, so yes, okay, so we'll make it

1112
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:40,440
a quick I just wanted to relate what happened to

1113
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:43,679
me because some of our viewers may not be aware

1114
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,280
of this, so I mentioned the story about the CIA

1115
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,599
Office of Global Access. So this came out back I

1116
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:54,960
think it was around two years ago, and Chris Sharp

1117
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,000
and myself have been working on this for a couple

1118
00:59:58,119 --> 00:59:59,519
of months, and then Josh came in.

1119
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 5: Towards the end.

1120
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:06,119
Speaker 1: We were insanely locked down in our communications. We only

1121
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,639
used signal so before Pete heggsath of course, but we

1122
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:13,960
didn't tell anybody about this thing the story.

1123
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:16,679
Speaker 5: About an hour before it's going to go live on.

1124
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:19,599
Speaker 1: The Daily Mail, we have this call with an ally

1125
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,519
in the intelligence community, and this ally says, look, from

1126
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:29,159
here on out, you cannot ever mention your sources names,

1127
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:31,519
even if you're alone in your bedroom or alone in

1128
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:35,360
a hotel or anything, because this article is going to

1129
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,960
cause a firestorm at Langley and they're going to want

1130
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,039
to know how you guys found out about this. And

1131
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:45,280
so that was kind of the warning, like, oh, okay,

1132
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,079
I didn't really kind of think about it. The article

1133
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:52,440
goes live at seven at I think it was ten

1134
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,239
o'clock LA time. I hop on a plane to fly

1135
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,239
to Las Vegas for a television show. I was working

1136
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,800
on Land in Vegas. They put me up at the

1137
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,760
Waldorf Astoria on the Strip. There's no casino or anything,

1138
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,320
So get into my room, grab my laptop, and I

1139
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,480
decide to go upstairs to the top floor bar to

1140
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,000
work on my laptop. Now I don't drink, so I'm

1141
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:20,880
drinking a soda water this U shaped bar. There are

1142
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,599
only eight people in this huge bar, and there's only

1143
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:27,400
at the bar me. And then about ten minutes later,

1144
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:31,679
this attractive thirty somethingter walks in and sits a seat

1145
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:35,360
away for me, starts trying to strike up a conversation,

1146
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:38,719
and I'm in my own zone, so I kind of

1147
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:39,159
ignore her.

1148
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,519
Speaker 5: So she goes and she sits at like the ten

1149
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:43,840
o'clock position to me at the bar.

1150
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: And then this gentleman a little bit older than me

1151
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:50,800
walks in with a white Hawaiian shirt and sits directly

1152
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,519
across from me. Now I'm on my laptop typing away,

1153
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:56,760
and you know, I just kind of see him out

1154
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,320
of my view, and all of a sudden, I hear

1155
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,000
him say UFO. He's talking to the girl, and I

1156
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,280
just stop, and I'm thinking to myself Okay, well, what

1157
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,039
are the chances of me being in this five star.

1158
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,039
Speaker 5: Hotel with no casino. It's not like there's a bunch

1159
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:13,840
of ref raff in there.

1160
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,239
Speaker 1: There are only eight people in this entire room and

1161
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,400
three people in the bar, including myself. And this guy

1162
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,440
says UFO. So I decide to engage him. I fold

1163
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,599
my laptop down and I say, excuse me, did you

1164
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:30,000
read that article that came out this morning in the

1165
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:31,719
Daily Mail about UFOs?

1166
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 5: I overheard you talking about it.

1167
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,239
Speaker 1: And he looks directly at me and he says, no,

1168
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:41,719
But that article I just read about Lou Elizondo being

1169
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,800
a liar sure sticks out of my head. And I

1170
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,559
know I froze because A I knew one Lou hadn't

1171
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,199
been in the media in quite some time. B what

1172
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:56,159
are the chances of somebody A even knowing who he

1173
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,519
is at that time, all before the movies? And so

1174
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:04,159
I just kind of blurted out, well, you should look

1175
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:07,840
into it. I fold my laptop, I fold my laptop

1176
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,400
back up, and I text someone on signal that comes

1177
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,519
from a certain three letter agency and said, this is

1178
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,559
what's going on. What should I do? Is this like

1179
01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:22,599
OSI CIA or whatever? And the advice I was given

1180
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,719
don't engage the individual at all. And of course my

1181
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:31,519
heart is pounding at this point, and so I wait

1182
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:33,920
about ten minutes. He's still kind of talking to the girl,

1183
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:37,239
and then he's on his phone. So I finally decide,

1184
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,840
you know what, I'm going to see try it again?

1185
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 5: What do I have to lose? So I fold my

1186
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:42,639
laptop down.

1187
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: I looked directly at him and said, hey, did you

1188
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,800
ever find that article about in the Daily Mail about

1189
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:49,639
the UFO stuff.

1190
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 5: He stands up from his stool.

1191
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: Takes his phone, starts taking my photo with it, and says, no,

1192
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,320
but that article about louel A Zondo being a liar

1193
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,159
sure sticks out of my head, and he puts his

1194
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,800
cell phone in his pocket and he walks out the door.

1195
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 5: It scared the holy hell out of me.

1196
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: And it was it told me a that my communications

1197
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,960
had been monitored, and and it was it was clearly

1198
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:16,960
a message that I needed to shut the fuck up.

1199
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 7: Uh.

1200
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: But that's the kind of harassment journalists and others, and

1201
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,440
and I'm glad you have not been the recipient of

1202
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,840
anything of it, But it is real, and it's it's

1203
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,079
it's quite frankly frightening.

1204
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.

1205
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 9: I'll tell you something really quick, real quick. I promise

1206
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,360
my son's going on a camping trip tomorrow. He's eleven

1207
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,239
and he's going away for four four days, and so

1208
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:39,679
I promised i'd take him out to dinner.

1209
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,559
Speaker 2: So that's why I got to go soon. But I

1210
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:43,599
was I used to.

1211
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 9: I had a friend of mine that had a catering

1212
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,519
company and I did painting jobs, I parked cars. I

1213
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:54,039
was a valet parker at this fancy hotel, uh casmo

1214
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:59,000
Jona and Uh. I would also volunteer sometimes at my

1215
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:02,119
buddy's catering gig, and you know, it was kind of fun,

1216
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:05,400
you know. But we were working at this place called

1217
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,119
opus I Winery in Napa and it was a big

1218
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:11,559
fundraising event for the Republican Party and we were told specifically,

1219
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,599
don't frat andize with any of the guests, just walk up,

1220
01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:16,679
serve the food, keep your pie a hole shut. You're

1221
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:18,880
going to be you know, and nuke Ingrids was there.

1222
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:26,880
Now at the time, there was a Congressman Schiff who

1223
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,599
was pushing for transparency on the Roswell case. Because the

1224
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:33,400
Roswell was coming up to the fiftieth anniversary, or maybe

1225
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,880
it just happened in the fiftieth anniversary, or maybe it

1226
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,320
was about to happen. I can't remember exactly, but there

1227
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,039
was getting a lot of media coverage. I mean the

1228
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:43,960
fiftieth anniversary for Roswell. Yet Corso came out and he

1229
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:45,519
was getting a lot of traction, a lot of people

1230
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:48,920
were talking. And then you had the city Member of

1231
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:52,400
Congress shiff and he was like, you know, they're lying

1232
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:55,480
and they're not being straight with me. And I was like, wow,

1233
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,880
this guy, this is incredible. I was actually expecting in

1234
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,199
the nineties that the Roswell was coming out, like wow,

1235
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,440
you know, and then all of a sudden he gets

1236
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:05,239
cancer and he's dead.

1237
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 2: I was kind of weird.

1238
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:11,679
Speaker 9: Like you know, Vin, I'm just saying from an outsider,

1239
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,320
I was watching this go down and it spooked my

1240
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,280
It spooked me, right. So anyway, I met this event

1241
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,079
at Opusque Winery and uh, I see New Gingrid's at

1242
01:06:22,119 --> 01:06:23,800
the time. It must have been Speaker of the House

1243
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:26,440
or if yeah, he probably was Speaker of the House

1244
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:30,960
and uh and I had these little bacon wrapped. It

1245
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:32,719
was it was it was like it was like a

1246
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,840
piece of steak or pork wrapped with bacon. They were

1247
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,679
really good, and I had a little tray of them.

1248
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:40,039
And I was walking around and I was giving people,

1249
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,480
you know, samples of food, and there were drinks and

1250
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,800
and I was like, I knew I wasn't supposed to

1251
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,679
talk to these guys, but I couldn't help myself. So

1252
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,679
I I asked, mister Gingrid speaker, would you care for

1253
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,320
you know? And he, oh, don't mind if I don't.

1254
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,599
Speaker 2: He walked over and they had their wives there too,

1255
01:06:58,519 --> 01:06:59,000
and there.

1256
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,519
Speaker 9: Were other members but I don't remember exactly other senators

1257
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:03,079
that were there, but the Speaker of the House who

1258
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:05,679
I particularly remember, and there were wives. And I said

1259
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:09,639
something like, do you do you anticipate any kind of

1260
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,119
you know, disclosure on the UFO topic? And he looks

1261
01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:15,039
at me and he goes on the what on the

1262
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:18,760
what topic? I said, the UFO topic, and he goes

1263
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:20,760
and he kind of stops and he looks at me

1264
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,280
and he goes, oh, Congressmanship was working on that. And

1265
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,039
I said, yeah, Congressman ship died. He goes, yeah, it's unfortunate,

1266
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:27,400
isn't it.

1267
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 5: Wow?

1268
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 2: Kind of spooky, right, And I've got this like chills.

1269
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,159
Speaker 9: I was like the look and again it could have

1270
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:36,519
been me my interpretation of it, but the look that

1271
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:40,840
I interpreted from him was you're in over your head, kid, Like,

1272
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:45,239
now just stop asking what again. I'm not accusing him

1273
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,760
of being on a super secret you know, having any involvement,

1274
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:49,480
but the way he.

1275
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:53,159
Speaker 2: Said it really gave me the creeps at the time.

1276
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 9: So anyways, he walks away and the wives stayed on

1277
01:07:57,159 --> 01:08:00,639
with one guy, a couple of men, but primary the wives,

1278
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:02,679
and they were like, you know, the public has a

1279
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,719
right to know. And I feel like, and I was

1280
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,599
thinking to myself at the time, it's too bad there

1281
01:08:07,639 --> 01:08:10,440
weren't more women in power because these women were like

1282
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:12,719
this secrecy isn't.

1283
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:14,519
Speaker 2: Right and the people have a right to know. And

1284
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:16,800
I thought, my god, if I had a secret camera,

1285
01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:19,600
right and that would be amazing. But yeah, oh sorry,

1286
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,600
but yeah, that's it. I met speaking ginglers about that.

1287
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:26,199
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's an amazing story. Just a couple of

1288
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:29,520
questions from the audience. Does this is from Dove Snapper?

1289
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,279
Does James intend to try interviewing Eric Lopez again? He

1290
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:36,920
drove the car when Marco Scheries captured the et on

1291
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,920
the on the roadside yeah.

1292
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 2: So I just found out two things. One is, yes,

1293
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:46,560
we contacted his wife.

1294
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,039
Speaker 9: Now I don't know, there's a little uh funny unknown

1295
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:55,960
fact uh Eric Lopes some people called Lopis.

1296
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,079
Speaker 2: Lopes l o p e s.

1297
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:03,279
Speaker 9: Eric married his partner who died, Marco Cheriz, who died

1298
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:05,920
after allegedly capturing the thing with his bare hands.

1299
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: He married Eric Lope married his sister.

1300
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 9: He had two sisters, Marta who participated in the film,

1301
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:16,199
his other sister. We contacted and I said, indirectly through

1302
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,680
a translator, what is it going to take to get Eric?

1303
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,640
And this is right after we doorstepped him and he

1304
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,840
threatened to shoot us. What is it going to take

1305
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,760
to get your husband to come forward? Because that's what

1306
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,119
I always say. I don't say can he come forward?

1307
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:29,399
Or will he come forward?

1308
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:30,560
Speaker 2: What is it going to take?

1309
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 9: Because everyone's got something that it'll take this Her response

1310
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:38,560
was bring my brother back to life and he'll talk.

1311
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:42,640
Obviously that's not going to happen. But I also found

1312
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,520
out recently. Just I was there in late January this year.

1313
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,800
We got a big screening with the sitting member of

1314
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,680
the the mayor, and.

1315
01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:56,039
Speaker 2: There was another.

1316
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 9: Security guard that I'd known and he came up to

1317
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,920
me and he's like, hey, I'm with Eric Lopes not

1318
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,319
too long ago. And he did have a gun and

1319
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:07,000
he wasn't going to shoot you in the face. He

1320
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:09,000
was gonna so he had a phone in one hand,

1321
01:10:09,039 --> 01:10:11,960
and apparently he did have a gun, as we all suspected,

1322
01:10:12,119 --> 01:10:14,520
and he did threaten to shoot us, but he was

1323
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:15,600
gonna shoot just.

1324
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:16,319
Speaker 2: A little funny thing.

1325
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 9: He was going to shoot a couple of rounds in

1326
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,760
the sky first and then if we didn't scatter, which

1327
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:28,199
obviously yeah, yeah, but you know, everyone's looking very carefully

1328
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:33,319
at the reaction and the treatment that doctor Eteloe is getting.

1329
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:38,039
The lead neurosurgeon, I did put out a statement because

1330
01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:41,199
I knew he was getting some pushback and something was

1331
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:45,159
happening with his job, and anyway, I made a very

1332
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,279
public statement and I put it out there and I said,

1333
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:50,239
if any military people are considering.

1334
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:52,119
Speaker 2: And paying him.

1335
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:55,079
Speaker 9: Toicate, my rest of my life to exposing finding you

1336
01:10:55,319 --> 01:10:58,159
and exposing that, just so you know, like we have

1337
01:10:58,319 --> 01:11:00,399
eyes on them. And I remember a number of people

1338
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:04,840
at the recent screening that we had a moment of

1339
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,239
contact new revelations in Vargenia with the mayor and others

1340
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,079
and military experts in the crowd.

1341
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: Nobody knows that. And I had people come up to

1342
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,159
me and they said, I'm a witness, I'm this person,

1343
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:19,479
I saw this. I saw that.

1344
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 9: And when you came forward and you made that statement

1345
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:30,800
about doctor Etelo, everyone interpreted, did that us feel a

1346
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,199
lot more secure? So, and I'm also working with the

1347
01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:37,479
sitting member, I mean, you know, the mayor and saying like,

1348
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,079
keep your eyes on these people, make sure these people

1349
01:11:40,119 --> 01:11:42,920
are protected, make sure. And I think the more public

1350
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,000
you go, the quicker and more public you go, the

1351
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:46,239
better off you're you're going to be.

1352
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 5: I agree with that. So, so James final question.

1353
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: You opened the phenomenon with the line, the question is

1354
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,520
no longer if they are here, but but why after

1355
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,920
thirty years of doing this do you have an answer?

1356
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,199
James has fallen asleep. Okay, well I think we may

1357
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,119
have lost them. There has been just some crazy shit

1358
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:15,640
during Oh there we go, now you're back. Yeah, okay,

1359
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,399
So so my question was my final question. So you

1360
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,359
opened the phenomenon with the line, the question is no

1361
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:26,479
longer if they are here, but why after thirty years

1362
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,359
do you have an answer? Thirty years later.

1363
01:12:33,159 --> 01:12:34,119
Speaker 2: Op back.

1364
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:37,279
Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, this never happens on the show.

1365
01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:40,560
Speaker 1: So I guess they don't want me to ask this question,

1366
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,640
which I'll do it a third time. You open the

1367
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:48,000
phenomenon saying, there's no longer a question of if they

1368
01:12:48,039 --> 01:12:48,359
are here?

1369
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 5: But why do you have any theories as to why

1370
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:51,520
after all this time?

1371
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,279
Speaker 2: All right, you broke up again. I got your back.

1372
01:12:54,319 --> 01:12:56,600
Now I ask it one more time. Hopefully it doesn't freeze.

1373
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 5: Go oh my god.

1374
01:12:58,399 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: So in the phenomenon you asked, it's no longer a

1375
01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:05,079
question if they are here? But why do you have

1376
01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:06,880
any answer to that after all this time?

1377
01:13:09,159 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

1378
01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 9: And funny, I feel like I got really close to

1379
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,079
having some idea. I was talking to an individual that

1380
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:19,600
investigated the phenomenon for I think sixteen years in a

1381
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,279
physial capacity, and look, you never know who's going to

1382
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:25,600
be in a position, but I look.

1383
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 2: At specific people and I think, if anyone's going to know,

1384
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:28,399
it would be them.

1385
01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 9: And they talked about it being a little scary, and

1386
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,680
I guess that would be the intent. But I never

1387
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,199
found out what the intent is. And I'll keep I'll

1388
01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:42,640
keep digging, and if I hear from someone that I

1389
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,760
respect or someone that I feel would be in a

1390
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:45,439
position to know.

1391
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,520
Speaker 2: Obviously I'll share that publicly, but I don't.

1392
01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, so you're breaking up.

1393
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: All I have to say is I've done two hundred

1394
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,760
shows and I've never had this happen. This is like

1395
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,920
one thousand dollars ifb pack, and I've never had those

1396
01:14:08,039 --> 01:14:09,199
kinds of noises on there.

1397
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 5: So I think someone's effing with us. But James, thank

1398
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,319
you so much for joining us.

1399
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:18,119
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time, and just from the bottom

1400
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:21,760
of my heart, thank you for the filmmaking that you do.

1401
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,760
I dare say we would not be here along this path,

1402
01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:30,199
We would not be at this point in time and

1403
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:33,720
the UAP disclosure if it were not for these wonderful

1404
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:34,560
films that you've done.

1405
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,239
Speaker 5: So please keep it up and God bless you.

1406
01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really appreciate your reporting as well.

1407
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,079
Thank you.

1408
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: Oh You're very welcome, Okay, James Fox. Ladies and ladies

1409
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:49,079
and gentlemen. So yeah, Wow, that was pretty pretty crazy there.

1410
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:51,319
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1411
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: So you know, so I wear two wireless belt packs.

1412
01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:57,039
These are like television quality belt packs. One is for

1413
01:14:57,319 --> 01:14:59,520
my microphone and then the other one is for this

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01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,119
year p he called an IFB and right when we

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got to the part where I was going to ask

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asking about the CIA, it was just like his voice

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came back doubled and with this kind of it sounded

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electronic like you was a robot. I've never had that happen,

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nor have I ever had zooms drop off like that.

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And we have a t one connection here.

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Speaker 5: At this studio, folks, I hope you enjoyed this show.

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I have a favor to ask.

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Speaker 1: So about a month ago, we changed the category of

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our YouTube channel from science to news and politics, which

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is really really what we're doing here. We talked about

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the UAP issue from a political lens from a national

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security lens, and when we did that, it screwed up

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the algorithm from with YouTube, Like when people tune into

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01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,279
the show, we can see who are returning viewers that

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are subscribers, and then we can see.

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Speaker 5: Who our viewers that YouTube recommended our show too.

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Speaker 1: And what we found is after we changed the show

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of our category, YouTube stopped recommending our show to people.

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So what I would just love to ask all of

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you to do, if you value this show, if you

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01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,319
value the kind of guests we have please do us

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01:16:22,359 --> 01:16:22,760
a favor.

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Speaker 5: These are the things that.

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Speaker 1: YouTube looks at and decides whether or not to recommend

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01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,960
our show or to promote our video to other people.

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Give us a like, subscribe if you haven't. There's that

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01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,960
little alarm bell if you set that to all, YouTube

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01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,399
looks at that as a giant signal that the content

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is good and the viewers really enjoy it.

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Speaker 5: And then also, please leave a comment.

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Speaker 1: I try my best to respond to them all, at

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least in the first twenty four hours. But all of

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those things, if enough of you out there do that,

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01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,640
hopefully YouTube will start recommending our show to people, because

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01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,880
obviously it doesn't matter how good your show is or

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01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,640
how great your guests are. If the YouTube algorithm isn't

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recommending you to new viewers, your show isn't going to grow.

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And I think that we're doing really really important work here.

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01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,800
And then finally, we are on all of the podcast platforms.

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You can look for us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,880
or whatever, same thing. If you would, please just take

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01:17:24,199 --> 01:17:27,239
thirty seconds out of your day to give us a rating,

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01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:28,239
leave a comment.

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Speaker 5: All of those things.

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Speaker 1: I know every YouTuber in the world asks you to

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01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:34,159
hit the subscribe and ring the bell all that kind

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01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:38,600
of crap, but it actually makes a difference in allowing

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01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,159
us to be able to keep doing this show. And then, finally,

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01:17:41,159 --> 01:17:44,439
if you do wish to become a subscriber or I'm

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01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,800
not a subscriber a supporter of our show. The studio

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01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,560
rent here in La is not cheap and we do

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:55,880
not have any sponsors. We strictly rely on donations from

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01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,840
people like yourself watching the show. So if you wish

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01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,640
to donate to this show to help keep us on

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01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,640
the air, you can donate at Patreon at www dot

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01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,479
patreon dot com. Forward Slash the Good Trouble Show. Also,

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super chats are always open. You can leave a super

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01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:16,159
chat or become a subscriber. I'm not sure how they

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01:18:16,359 --> 01:18:18,079
call it on YouTube, but where you know where you

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01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:21,359
have like a paid tier type thing. Anyway, all of

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01:18:21,399 --> 01:18:24,560
that stuff really helps us, and we are super lucky

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01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,880
to have the fans that we do. But of course,

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you know, we don't want to be always preaching to

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01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:33,960
the choir. We want to bring people into this topic

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that are new to it or have never been exposed

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01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,159
to it. And you leaving the comments, hitting subscribe, all

1482
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:44,279
that stuff hit and the thumbs up. Those are the

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01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:48,319
signals YouTube looks at to decide whether or not to

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01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,159
show our video on people's feeds. So anyway, enough with that,

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01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,439
thank you everyone for tuning in. I hope everyone enjoyed it.

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James Fox is just just an amazing, an amazing, amazing filmmaker.

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Speaker 5: And the thing I'll say.

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Speaker 1: What is really important about what people like James Fox

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are doing and other filmmakers in this space is I

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would guess probably ninety five ninety eight percent of the

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population has no clue as to what is going on.

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Speaker 5: With this particular topic.

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01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,039
Speaker 1: They have no idea that members of Congress know that

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this is real and are taking this seriously. And it

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01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,560
is through the magic of good storytelling on the big

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screen or small screen if it's in your home, and

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people like James Fox and others, what they do is

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what opens this topic up to the populace. And at

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the end of the day, it's you and I telling

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our lawmakers we want something done on this and if

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we want to move the needle, we need to let

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:59,319
our lawmakers know that this is important. And vehicles such

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01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:02,800
as the film that James Fox have done and continue

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01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:07,039
to do that helps build that momentum, that helps build

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01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,840
that hopefully will snowball effect where hopefully one day soon

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we'll reach critical mass. So please reach out to your lawmakers. Anyway, everyone,

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have great Sunday. Thank you very much for tuning in.

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We do have an episode that will be coming up

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very soon where I will be exposing some written evidence

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that shows that the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office

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was constructed to be a disinformation operation. And of course

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we know that Anna Polina Luna is already talking Congresswoman

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Annapolina A. Luna, who I have the pleasure of chatting

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with at the after show party at real time with

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Bill Maher on Friday.

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Speaker 5: She's a lovely.

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01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,359
Speaker 1: Individual, smart, in it for the right reasons and is

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01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,640
really fighting for UAP transparency. But we know that she

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01:20:55,079 --> 01:20:57,960
stated I think yesterday that ARROW needs to be disbanded

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and disfunded, and with what I'm about to put out,

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that should be this week. I don't have an air

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date for you. I think it answers the question with

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closes the door completely shut.

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Speaker 5: Arrow must be disbanded.

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Speaker 1: It must be defunded because it is literally a machine

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designed to lie to Congress And why in the hell

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we're paying for that. And we're also going to reveal

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the amount, the classified amount of money that Arrow has

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been given. And I think it's going to make everybody

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watching this show that has a hell of a time

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putting food on the table or paying their rent or

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paying their mortgage, it's going to make you goddamn mad

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at the amount of money being wasted at the Pentagon's

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All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.

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Speaker 5: So stay tuned for that. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Call your lawmakers tell them that we deserve disclosure, and again,

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please please take some time after the show to do

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those little things on YouTube. We'll definitely do us a solid, which,

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by the way, Ross Coltart told me in Australia doing

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a solid means something else than what I'm talking about. Anyway,

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everyone have a great Sunday, and thanks again also for

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our mods that helped out. And sorry we can get

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to all the questions. Have a great Sunday and we'll

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see you soon on The Good Trouble Show.