Speaker 1: One filmmaker, three ground breaking documentaries, and the case, he says,
will change everything, the phenomenon.
Speaker 2: They're here, this is happening now.
Speaker 3: The program non human intelligence exists.
Speaker 4: Non human intelligence has been interacting with humanity.
Speaker 5: That was only part of the story.
Speaker 1: And now Moment of Contact New revelations of alien encounters.
Speaker 6: In nineteen thirty three, some this shade objects to crash.
Speaker 7: It is not anything from this earth.
Speaker 1: Multiple films, three decades and tonight, director James Fox is here.
Speaker 5: Everyone. I'm Matt Ford, and welcome to the Good Trouble Show. Tonight.
Speaker 1: Our guest has spent three decades making documentary films about
whether we are alone. His latest Moment of Contact new
Revelation takes us inside the nineteen ninety six Vargenia, Brazil case,
where multiple witnesses say they encountered non human beings, the
military launched a recovery operation, and a physician claims he
examined a living being in a hospital.
Speaker 5: Let's watch.
Speaker 4: Have you been exposed to undeniable confirmation of a non
human intelligence craft? There is something out there and we
should know as the people what it is.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the federal government is knowingly concealing
evidence about you a piece from the.
Speaker 2: Public per Yes, yes, sir, Yes. When you say crash reshrievel,
what do you.
Speaker 1: Make non human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed
or crashed.
Speaker 6: For the first time in history, the names of alleged
companies and gatekeepers analyzing recovered alien technology are being exposed.
Speaker 2: Are any of you willing to name specific individ jewels?
Speaker 8: Doctor James Ryder at Lockheed, Glenn Gaffney CIA.
Speaker 6: For decades we've heard allegations of the retrieval of objects
of alien origin. In nineteen thirty three, some this shape
object crash.
Speaker 2: It is not anything from this Earth.
Speaker 1: A UFO crashed in Kingman, didn't drop out of the sky.
Speaker 2: It had to come in on an angle.
Speaker 8: The feeling I had during the encounter was like no
type of aircraft I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Before I saw the evidence. It's a crash retrieval. There's
a craft and these alien bodies.
Speaker 6: But one of the most well documented UFO crash retrieval
cases involving live aliens took place in Virginia, Brazil.
Speaker 2: That is a crashed vehicle toys.
Speaker 3: To us.
Speaker 2: The boys posters from Les Gulspital.
Speaker 5: Norma and s.
Speaker 3: In you regard the follow Berni and us or now
that's why I pray you come at.
Speaker 6: One.
Speaker 3: It's called you can about.
Speaker 6: Now for the first time in history, we have the
most compelling first hand testimony the same of communication with
a live alien in captivity.
Speaker 9: Where GISs first one diagra.
Speaker 2: How much time did he spend with the alien in
the road? Praise quite.
Speaker 5: Please.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Trouble Show documentary film maker James Fox.
Speaker 5: James, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: You've been making films about this for about the subject
for what going on thirty years now? When did you
decide you were hanging your hat on the UAP issue?
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for that intro. I gotta check that
movie out. That trailer was fire.
Speaker 5: It was Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 9: Thanks to Buddha Jones. Those guys do incredible work. The owner,
John Long has been incredibly helpful. Actually, George Knapp introduced
us for the phenomenon years ago and he's been doing
all the trailers in Los Angeles and they're very good
at it. But it's funny. Actually, when I made my
first film in the nineties, you know, everyone was laughing
at me, you know, my father, especially his family, reconsider
what you're doing. You're wasting your life. There was to
it is a road, like what are you thinking? And
I thought, you know, when I finished it after four
grueling years and nobody told me how difficult it was
to make a documentary, particularly one on UFOs, I was like,
I'm never doing another film on this topic ever again,
so long.
Speaker 2: As I live.
Speaker 9: And since then I've decided, actually, probably since I know
what I saw, I said to myself, don't ever say that,
Never say never, because you never know, you know how
you're going to how.
Speaker 2: You get to feel.
Speaker 9: It's almost like, you know, women describe giving birth and
they say that you suffer from almost amnesia because if they.
Speaker 2: Knew how painful it was, they wouldn't do it again,
you know. And it's the same good point documentary filmmaking.
If I knew just how difficult it was, you know,
I would do it again. But I, of course inevitably
keep doing it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it, and I have to say so.
Speaker 1: Of course, when the New York Times twenty seventeen article
came out, that sort of reinvigorated my interest in the
UAP topic, but then it kind of fizzled out. And
it wasn't until I saw the phenomenon that I was
like phenomena, that I was like, this is really.
Speaker 5: You know, this stuff is real.
Speaker 1: And so I have you to thank for being in
this chair right now, because if it really, if it
weren't for that amazing film, I don't think I would
be doing what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 5: So thank you very very much. It's your filmmaking.
Speaker 1: Does such great justice to this topic, and more importantly,
it brings people into this issue that may not have
otherwise you'll really become interested in it. But we're here
to talk about your latest film, what centers on the
Vargenia case in Brazil. Viewers who don't know it, that
have not seen your film yet, walk us through what
happened in January nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 5: Start from the beginning, if you don't mind, not at all, and.
Speaker 9: Thanks to that intro, you know the phenomenon, If you
don't mind me backing up just for a quick second. Wait,
you know people often say, well, how do you know when.
Speaker 2: A film is done?
Speaker 9: A film is usually done when you're completely depleted of
resources energy. In some cases, you're in the fetal position,
your partners in the feedlal position.
Speaker 2: Their wives are screaming at you, like when is this
nightmare gonna And we're all in debt up to our eyeballs.
Speaker 5: You're killing no.
Speaker 9: And I was in a fetal position when the phenomenon
was finished. And I won't go for your audience with
the details, but there was a high probability that the
film was going to be shelved because there were so
many people sue each other. And I remember the distribution
company saying to me, and this is just one of
fifty things that was hitting me at the time.
Speaker 2: We think we might have to shelve this.
Speaker 9: Because it's too much of a liability, all these threats
of lawsuits.
Speaker 2: We might just use it as a tax right off.
Speaker 9: And put it on the shelf. And I was at
the end of my rope. I was in a fetal position.
My partner, Rebecca was bringing me food up at this loft.
And this loft she knew that I couldn't talk, so
she would leave the food up there and she'd come back,
you know, six or seven hours later. She knew the
food was at least I was eating and drinking water,
you know. So when I hear people like you thank
me for the phenomenon. There were a lot of other
people involved there in the credits. It really does make
it all worthwhile because that nearly killed me. But let's
talk about a Moment of Contact now. I did a
first version a Moment of Contact, and that was the
first film that I dropped after making the Phenomenon. And
I remember a lot of people who were remade nameless,
very respectable, and they were bringing up valid points. Are
you sure after the tremendous success with creating the phenomenon,
you introduced in a much more mainstream audience, household names people,
highly respected intel folks, you know, warmed up to the
idea of close encounters of the third kind. That's when
witnesses claim in the wild to see occupants connected to
the craft. And that was really the first time I
kind of went all in on that, you know, Rua
SoCoRo and a couple of other cases sprinkled throughout. And
now you want to do a documentary on an alleged
UFO crash where you have live aliens walking through the
town of Varginia, Brazil, Like, are you.
Speaker 2: Sure that's the direction you want to go? Right now?
Speaker 9: You want to tarnish your reputation. You're like, really, And
I said, I understand. I understand how you feel. And
I felt the same way about this case when I
first heard about it, when I was working on my
second UFO documentary, Out of the Blue. I was so
opposed to this UFO crash case with live aliens because
it was inconceivable to me then and that you could
have an event of this magnitude in a town of
population of one hundred thousand, you know, live aliens walking
through this town and the whole world not know about it.
Speaker 2: It can't be. Therefore it isn't so.
Speaker 9: I understand the reluctance, particularly within mainstream outlets, but I
just say, look, just watch the movie, listen to the
first hand eyewitness testimony, and draw out your own conclusions.
Now let me back up, and I'll get in the
beginning of the film. So we have testimony from a
number of people in and around the town of Virginia, Brazil,
January nineteen ninety six of a cylindrical shape object a
little larger than the size of a big school bus,
an American sized school bus, cigar shaped metallic didn't have
any controlled services, didn't have any exhaust events. It was
according to the witnesses, it had like a like a
tear in the backside of it, and it had like
a white vapor smoke. They said it wasn't like the
smoke from a traditional fire.
Speaker 2: It was different.
Speaker 9: And then it was struggling to stay aloft, and it
didn't make any sound. In fact that the farmers that
I interviewed, Orlina to fret Us Enrico and Orlina to
threat Us, they said that had the farm animals not
been making a ruckus in the middle of the night,
they wouldn't have even known it was there because it
was so silent. But they went out and saw this
like again, this cigar shaped craft. And then ultimately a
gentleman by the name of Carlos Sosoza, who was a
geography professor.
Speaker 2: In sal Polo. He's also an ultra.
Speaker 9: Light pilot, and he was driving very early in the
morning to go flying with his friends up to the north,
five or six hours to the north of sal Polo,
and he was just outside the town of Varginia, Brazil,
and he saw that same object that a lot of
other people had described, cylindrical shape object, and he was
taking to him so, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2: It looks like it's going to crash.
Speaker 9: And it was five o'clock in the morning, maybe four
thirty five am, and he's looking at it and he
never thought alien. He was thinking maybe it was some
sort of super secret military thing. But he was like,
that thing's going down.
Speaker 5: And it did.
Speaker 9: It went down in a field in a place called
the Myolini Farm, and he turned off the freeway.
Speaker 2: He drove up his dirt road.
Speaker 9: He got to an impact site and he goes, the
first thing that was really unusual was that he was
expecting the smell like when an aircraft goes down. You
can smell the Jeta fuel. You can smell you know,
fuel like gasoline, you know, and he goes, that wasn't
this smell. This smell was more like like rotten eggs, ammonia, sulfur.
Like he said, it was so strong he had to
pull his shirt over his face, like he.
Speaker 2: Couldn't believe it.
Speaker 9: And there was one piece of it about half the size,
still intact, and then another the other half was sort
of spread over a very large area, bigger than a
football field, and bits of aluminum, different shapes, and he
said he picked one of them. Up and he was
looking at it and he was thinking, he was it
was light as a feather. And as he's looking at
this piece and he's smelling this really strong odor that
was crippling, some military trucks from the opposite direction came
in on the dirt road, we learned from a military base.
As an eesa military base, and he was threatened to
gunpoint to leave. He ended up leaving. And then he
saw on the news. Whether it was a week or
two weeks later, he saw the news these girls in
the town of Ourgenia reporting these strange creature. They got
within eight to ten feet of it and broad daylight,
and the story was exploding in the news.
Speaker 2: He saw this.
Speaker 9: One researcher, Clodiokovo, I think his name was Clodiokovo, Ubertajada, Rodriguez, Papcaccini,
They're all in the news, and he thought, my gosh,
maybe what I saw is connected to that, like maybe
so he had been threatened at the time of silence,
but he had one meeting and he did one very
brief on camera interview about it with Clodio Kovo. We
have that and then and then he vanished for the
better part of twenty six years, and then there were
lots of people in the town. There was the media
outlets Princessa TV. All the journalists were encountering roadblocks at gunpoint,
threatened with prison time if they'd ask any more questions
about this, about these beings, about this crash, about this incident.
There were a lot of people in and around the
town that either heard about the multiple captures. There were
two police officers, Marco Scheriz Eric Lopes captured a being.
Speaker 2: We heard it went to this one hospital called Regional Hospital.
There were reports from.
Speaker 9: Another hospital at Humanitas Hospital of a being there.
Speaker 2: There were nurses and doctors quietly in.
Speaker 9: The background, you were, you know, we investigated this for
decades self, I'm on my seventeenth year. My partner Marko
Lal for over twenty years. And yeah, and ultimately we
heard the Americans came in and took over the operation
and flew the material out of a place called Campinas
was to the south and back to the United States.
And yeah, and it happened in January of nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: Just absolutely amazing. I want to dig into some of
the details. I understand there was a local chief of
police Pedro Aguar, I believe is how you stated, and
his lawyer described a standoff with soldiers who showed up
demanding that he hand over whatever evidence.
Speaker 5: Evidence that he had. I can't talk this morning. What
can you tell us about that?
Speaker 1: Because it sounds like the cover up started well before
the Americans showed up.
Speaker 9: So I just you just gave me goosebumps because we
had We've been going after Pedro for years. In fact,
we tried to get him on the first in twenty
twenty one. We'd been in touch with him. We've done
some video calls because we heard that we heard it
from two separate people that he had a photograph of
one of the beans and it had two fire department
and one police officer.
Speaker 2: I believe. Anyway, we heard about this photograph.
Speaker 9: We've been going after it, and he was like, I
jokingly say, he's like a bar soap in the bathtub.
Like you'd get to him, he'd answer the phone, talk
a little bit. We had one zoom call, but then
he would vanish, disappear. And this went on for several
years and then finally last year or the end of
twenty twenty, no in twenty twenty five, in January of
twenty twenty five, we doorstepped him, as we'd done many
times in the past. He reluctantly gave us an on
camera interview, and it went beyond the photograph that he
had participated. But he wouldn't he'd seen the bean, talked
about it. Maybe it was covered in a net or something.
He was very difficult and he said, it is not
a story, it's part of our history.
Speaker 2: It happened.
Speaker 9: I participated, He gave his interview, and then a few
months later he died, and that's in the new cut
of the film. So we went back four times in
the period of twelve months, and we were tracked down
his now widow. She confessed on camera. Yes, he said
he saw the bean. He participated, but didn't want to
go into too much more detail. We tracked down his
two sons, got them on camera.
Speaker 2: This is just recently. Yes, he saw the bean. Our
dad was a badass. He had a gun everywhere he went.
Speaker 9: He dealt with gangsters and drug dealers, and he wasn't
afraid of anyone, but he was afraid of these men
in suits.
Speaker 2: We found his dog. We tracked her down. She went
on camera.
Speaker 9: We haven't released this stuff, yet we're going to release
it for free. And then we found his lawyer, and
his lawyer gave us to sit down interview. That too,
is on camera, and we're going to be releasing that
in the coming weeks. I'd just been so busy and
what happened, what we found out was and he didn't
reveal all of this on camera when he gave us
his interview, but he was summoned at the first capture
in the morning on Anuary twentieth to a location. Wasn't
given the specifics of exactly what was going on, but
it was like full sos, you know, get down here.
Immediately he was given the coordinates, he drove down, he
got out of his car, he's making his way up
to those point that point, and he's met with two
military soldiers armed with rifles at gunpoint.
Speaker 2: Stop freeze, you're not going in for national security.
Speaker 9: He pulls out his gun and he's pointing his gun
back at the two young soldiers.
Speaker 2: He was probably forty five. He's like, I'm chief of police.
You can't threaten me. You guys are going to be arrested,
going to jail. This is national security. You can't go
any further and they have this standoff. And as this
standoff is happening, his gun is drawn, their guns are drawn.
Speaker 9: They're pointing out each other. He sees two fire I
believe fire department people. It could have been one fire department,
one police, but definitely he sees something being captured and
it was the creature, and it was a net or
something that they captured it with. And then he was
ultimately taken back to as a military base. He talks
about all the brass. He said he'd never seen so
much military brass. It was an issue of national security.
Shut your pie hole, like and then he heard the
Americans came in, and so we were getting new We're
getting new leads by the day every time we go there.
So we found out that when you watch the new
cut and you see his participation in the film, you'll
hear him say, I participated, I was there.
Speaker 2: It happened. It's not a story, it's history, you know.
Speaker 9: And that's just one And we have the two forensic
pathologists because one of the military officers that apparently grabbed
the creature with one of the creatures with his bare
hands died a few weeks later of an infection and
then we interviewed the forensic mythologists. We interviewed doctor Armando
that did the autopsy and he provided the tissue samples
to the head of the company, IPD Labs, doctor Janini,
who studied the tissue samples, and he went on in
this latest cut and said, look, man, this is a
very rare form of bacteria. That's very rare that we
do have, but it had evolved in a way that
I've never seen any bacteria liken on Earth. And that's
all in the film. We got the autopsy report, we
got doctor Romando did the autopsy. We got the doctor
who worked on the military officer when he was still alive.
He'd never seen anything like it in his life. And
then of course now we have the neurosurgeon at Regional Hospital,
who I know there's been controversy on him because they
go he's changed his story.
Speaker 2: He said that he didn't you know that he just
saw the video of the creature but didn't see the creature.
It was like, yeah, that was us.
Speaker 9: We went after him about the video bits, just like
we went off to the former chief of police and
he confessed on video to me. I remember it was
a couple of years ago, because we were all about
where's the video, where's the video? And he gave us
the name of the person, Marcos Venics, who shot the video.
He was a fellow neurosurgeon. He had a hard tech
in twenty eighteen. We were going after the video, but
when pushed further, he denied any further involvement of seeing
and then he had a heart attack and he was
staring at the ceiling of the ICU and he was like,
if I survived this, I'm not taking this to the grave.
I'm going to contact James's team and I'm going to
go full Kmoto, which he ultimately did.
Speaker 2: And I know that people are like, oh, I'm.
Speaker 9: Skeptical and he's so if he's lying, and this is
the first time in the history of the phenomenon, and
I challenge anyone out there to correct me if I'm
wrong here that we have extremely compelling, firsthand eyewitness testimony
of direct contact, limited communication with a captured non human
intelligence being. Okay, I've never seen it before. We have
accounts in the wild, but not captured, not in a
hospital with the lead neurosurgeon. Now, I just have to say,
if he is lying, he's lying to his wife, he's
lying to his coworkers, he's lying to his children, he's
lying to his colleagues. I brought together for the first
time just last year, late last year, all the doctors,
the known doctors that had something to do with this case.
Doctor Armando, doctor Jannini, doctor Cesario, doctor Ittolo, their wives,
in some cases their kids. How long have you known
doctor Ittalo? Forty five years? Interesting? Thirty five years interesting?
You talked to people in the town. This guy still
is the head neurosurgeon regional hospital. He's not selling a book,
he's not asking for a dime. He's willing to take
a public line detective test with his right hand on
a bible and he's like, yeah, I lied. I wasn't
prepared to come forward since then I had a heart attack.
I'm not taking the.
Speaker 2: Story to the grave.
Speaker 9: So of course it's you know, it is what it is,
but obviously people want more proof. We flew some of
these witnesses out to Washington, DC. We did an event
at the National Press Club. I did that on my
own dime, borrowing resources to put that together because it's
such a significant development in this crash retrieval stuff. I
wanted people to give people the opportunity to meet them,
to shake their hand, to look them in the eye,
ask them the tough questions, meet their wives. We also
had a closed door meeting with members of Congress City
members of Congress to meet the neurosurgeon, meet the forensic pathologists,
meet the crash witness, Carlos de Sosa.
Speaker 2: Which we did.
Speaker 9: They were impressed to the point where they were launching
their own investigation trying to get the flight logs. So
there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes
on that. And yeah, it's an extraordinary case, and I
think it's the case that could settle this debate once
and for all.
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. So I actually want to play a
tape of this doctor, and I completely agree. When you
listen to him there, in my opinion, there is no
way this guy is Lyne.
Speaker 9: So let's watch question I'd like to I'd like to
ask Ganini how long Tannini has known.
Speaker 2: This good sugar so a long time.
Speaker 6: Years?
Speaker 9: Let's say, doctor Romaldo, how long have you known.
Speaker 2: Thirty five years? How long have you known thirty five years?
Speaker 9: So, doctors, when he says he saw the creature in
captivity at regional hospital.
Speaker 2: Do you guys believe him?
Speaker 3: Jauvilu will fixed so much?
Speaker 2: Oh, there's somebody, he said, Gus doctor. Yeah, I mean
I got something I gotta show you. Do you have
him in the lab coat in the hospital too?
Speaker 5: Say that again.
Speaker 2: There's a shot of him in the hospital with his
lab coat on. I don't know if you have it
or not, but you can figure that, I think. Okay.
Speaker 9: Anyway, so when that was happening, there was a woman
that came up to both me and there's that guy
Amar from Yes Theory.
Speaker 2: He's in the video.
Speaker 9: He's going to be he was filming all behind the scenes.
He's going to be releasing something I think in a
few months. But in any case, this woman came up
to me. She was shaking like this. I can't say
exactly who she is yet, she will come forward. Doctor
Iolo is telling the truth. Doctor Amar was there, all
my other people, Marco, everyone was there.
Speaker 2: She was shaking like this.
Speaker 9: Doctor Little was telling the truth. Doctor Elio is telling
the true. They said, how do you know? She said,
because I was there, And then she described exactly the
scene in the in the regional hospital.
Speaker 2: I mean it was just like and there are other doctors.
Speaker 9: We were knocking on every single clinics door just like
a month and a half ago, getting other doctors to
come forward and talk about you know who doctor Etolo is,
his character, his credibility. Did they hear about it? Did
they see the video? So it's it's an ongoing thing.
And I I, like I said before, you know, if
this guy's lying, I don't see a motive.
Speaker 2: I just don't.
Speaker 9: He'd have to be lying to his wife and his kids,
and his coworkers and his all of his call and
he's not asking for any money, right.
Speaker 5: And the other and the other, Yeah, go ahead, please.
Speaker 2: No, No, I just I just don't see a motive.
I just don't.
Speaker 5: And the other thing you have to consider too.
Speaker 1: Obviously, a doctor's reputation is everything, uh, especially professionally because
other doctors refer their patients to other doctors if there's
something that they don't want to handle.
Speaker 5: So, just from a professional lens, there is.
Speaker 1: Zero reason why this man would lie and potentially jeopardize
his medical reputation.
Speaker 5: It doesn't add up. It clearly doesn't.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm you know, if I had to put my life, obviously,
one could never be one hundred percent sure of anything, right,
So if I had to put my life on line
or not lying, it would be I put my life
on he's not lying.
Speaker 5: I'm with you on that. There's a detail. I want
to talk about something that kind of struck me.
Speaker 1: So the girls that ran into this being, and they
described it as crouching, seemingly injured, with dark brown skin
and large eyes. But doctor Venturelli's account from the hospital
is really different. This being is composed communicative.
Speaker 5: Eyes, like a drop up of water.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we're we were he saw the
same being or do you think it was you know,
there were multiple beings?
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: I've got a couple.
Speaker 9: So I asked him in great detail when we were
in Washington, d C. Because I I I'll get a
witness to go, and it drives people crazy sometimes, particularly witnesses,
because I will want to do a recreation of every
not just second, but millisecond, okay. And I was doing
this with him for probably four to six hours, and
I could see him getting a little irritable because my
attention to detail was so you know, I was so focused,
and I said, uh, when you say this being looked
out the window twice.
Speaker 2: What did this being seeing what was not the window?
Blue sky?
Speaker 9: It was a sunny day, clouds. I'm like, okay, Well,
the second capture took place in the early evening. That
was five thirty, and that was just a couple of
blocks away from the girls encounter. Okay, so well, first,
when I first started thinking about it, I was like, well, gosh,
this thing's got more of a white skin. He didn't
talk about the smell. The body was the same spindle,
the arms spin on the legs, about the size of
a seven year old, the big, large head, the big eyes.
He said they were more lilac as opposed to red,
but they were also tear drop. The communication occurred through
the eyes. But I started there with some differences, but
then the biggest difference was I was going, well, wait
a minute, it couldn't have been if it was January twentieth.
It couldn't have been what the girls saw, because the
girls saw theirs at three twenty. The capture was around
five thirty. It would have been at the hospital around
six pm that night. It was pissing rain.
Speaker 2: And so when I got.
Speaker 9: Paid through Aguiarre story of the morning capture from that creature.
I was thinking, Wow, maybe that's the creature that was
taken to regional hospital because there were two. Maybe that's
the creature that he saw or end or do these
beans have Are they like chameleons?
Speaker 2: Do they have the.
Speaker 9: Ability to their skin color excreet or exude a foul
smell when they feel threatened and scared and vulnerable like
a skunk? Did their skin change color in the blazing
hot sun? The girls all said this being was suffering.
Nobody felt threatened. The girls actually Katya had prolonged you know,
telepathic communication with this.
Speaker 2: She was locked eyes with this.
Speaker 9: She was the oldest of the group for a prolonged period,
and she said it it communicated to her, help me
or leave me alone. When I said to leave me alone,
it was more like, don't hurt me, leave me be
or help me.
Speaker 2: She was considering helping this being. And to this day
she goes, I feel terrible because this being was.
Speaker 9: Non threatening, It was scared, it was vulnerable, it was suffering,
and it wanted help.
Speaker 2: And I left it.
Speaker 9: And then the military and god knows what they subjected
what they did to this poor being, and she felt
to this day she feels guilty about it that she
didn't help it. And I thought to myself, boy, had
she helped it, it would have been like the real
life et.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very very true. Uh yeah, it's a story
is just so incredibly fascinating.
Speaker 5: This case. I wouldn't even call it a story.
Speaker 9: Yeah, one more thing, quickly, I thought, you know, because
it is baffling, right, there are inconsistencies. If Ittolo is lying,
why wouldn't he knows the girls have been saying it
had brown skin and smelly, it's been all over everything.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he just duplicate that? Right? You know, I
just doesn't. I can't find a motive. I just can't.
I've been trying to.
Speaker 9: I've been trying to poke holes in the story, and
and I'm I've spent so much time with doctor Eathlow,
getting to know his wife and his coworkers. We go
down to his local like watering Hole and and say
watering hole like he's a drinker. But he has this
lovely restaurant just a couple of blocks away from his
house that he and his family go to often. He
plays piano like Mozart. He loves music. He loves to
perform live in a public setting. I met all the
people that he hangs out with in his community, all
the interns that he's been working with and still works with.
So he'd had to be lying to everybody, and he's
not asking for a penny, And he knows that this
is not a career enhancing move. He knows that he's
claiming face to face contact with a bloody alien right,
and he's working on people's brains. And he's still the
head neurosurgeon in fact, regional hospital tried to let him go,
but he's in so much demand. He's still operating independent
contractor because there's nobody to replace him.
Speaker 2: He does stuff that nobody else can do.
Speaker 5: I mean that speaks volumes right there.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the exhumation of Marco Scheriz.
You know, of course, he was this military policeman who
handled one of the beings and died later.
Speaker 5: Where does that effort stand on the ex of his body?
Speaker 2: So doctor Janini is serious about it.
Speaker 9: What we found out recently is that we not only
have to get permission from Marco Cheriz's family, which we could.
We feel quite confident that we can make that happen.
But there was another person buried I think just on
top of him. So they had to reach out to
their family, that individual's family get permission to exhume that
body and then dig down further and get Marco Scheriz's body.
And I don't know what the percentage of the likelihood
of getting that bacteria, but doctor Janini wants.
Speaker 2: To do it, and he's very serious about that.
Speaker 1: How many separate videos of the Virginia incident do you
think exist and who was confirmed seeing him? I think
you've offered something like what two hundred grand or something
for a reward for people to come forward about this
with videos or photos we got.
Speaker 9: It's hard to say, right because you don't know, you
don't know if there's people scamming. But I think the
closest we got to it was a couple of years ago.
We spoke to a very big YouTuber. I mean he's
very big, one of the biggest, one of the biggest
in across Brazil.
Speaker 2: We went on his show and he saw it.
Speaker 9: He was negotiating to buy it and maybe six to
ten years prior, and he's like, well, look I need
to see it.
Speaker 2: I need to know you have it, And he watched
it and then somehow they couldn't come up with the money.
Speaker 9: Something weird went sideways, and the person with it felt betrayed, exposed, betrayed.
Something went sideways. That individual reached out to us, oh
six to ten years after the fact. Don't give me
exact quote on this and the exact timeframe, but it
was like a year and a half two years ago.
Speaker 2: We were in negotiations with this individual. And the problem
is is that.
Speaker 9: I was like, look, man, I need to see it,
and once I see it and have it looked at,
I know I can raise the money to compensate you
for the film. The problem is he's like, well I
got burned last time I showed it and it was
like we were in negotiations.
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to happen. I really did.
Speaker 9: That was the closest we got to it, and we
were we knew someone who dealt with this individual that
had seen it, so we felt pretty confident that.
Speaker 2: We were going to get it.
Speaker 9: But then that person went completely dark. There was another
person that we were in touch with last year I
think it was last year, and this person wanted no money,
just come and take it.
Speaker 2: I want this burden out of my life. I don't
want this.
Speaker 9: I got the impression that it was a husband that
had died and left it with his wife, and the
wife wanted it out like she just wanted. I said, look,
I'll jump on a plane. I'll come meet with you.
Speaker 2: It was far away, but I got to have some proof.
Speaker 9: You got to show me a couple of seconds, because
I can't just every time someone says they have something,
I can't jump on a plane. I was making the
I was finalizing the program right here in the studio
behind us, and.
Speaker 2: That and then that.
Speaker 9: This individual gave me a timeframe if it's not by
this time, and I said, look, you need to show me.
We had to standoff and then gone. And then we
spoke to two individuals. In fact, Michael Schellenberger contacted those
two individuals because he was going to report on this
for the.
Speaker 2: New York Post, and the New York Post.
Speaker 9: Said, well, we'll talk about this so called alien footage,
but we need confirmation from at least two people that
have seen it. So Michael Schellenberger with the New York
Post a couple of years ago, got interviews with those
people and felt it compelling enough to write about it,
and the source of the footage it was a photograph,
was Pedro Aguiar, and I pressed Pedro on camera harder
than you can ever imagine it in January of twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2: And this is in the movie. A lot of it's
in the movie.
Speaker 9: And he ultimately confessed that, you know, at one point
there was a photograph, didn't know where it was.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god. And so that's a source.
Speaker 9: Military X had a source that we were probably maybe
a day or two away from this source showing it
to Marco Leal, my partner. We were super excited about that.
Then the military base called threatened. Military X not like
we're going to basically like I used to living at
this location.
Speaker 2: How's the wife? How the kit?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: By the way, there was this American filmmaker poking around.
Have you met you know? Blah blah blah. Now there's
other source.
Speaker 9: We've talked to two doctors, three doctors that have seen
the footage that Marco Venice has shot, and we're trying
to chase that down.
Speaker 2: But it's tough, man.
Speaker 9: It's really hard because people that were involved in the case,
not everybody, but most people were threatened and uh, and
that's with no evidence.
Speaker 2: Now you have videotaped evidence. You got something to be
worried about.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry for the pause for for some weird reason
in my ear Uh. And I've never had this happen before.
But it's like the signal is being jammed. I have these,
you know, wireless belt packs, so I'm having a difficult
time hearing you. So so I'm just gonna kind of
work with it the best I can. Probably, I don't
know Arrow or or whoever back east is is fucking
with us right now.
Speaker 5: Oh did I lose you?
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
Speaker 5: Okay, you totally had me.
Speaker 1: Do you remember do you remember the Do you remember
the Battlestar Galactica back in the late seventies with the
Cylon Centurions. But yes, that's exactly how you sound to
me right now in my earpiece. So okay, yeah, this
is Uh. I've never had this happen before. Now, you
said an American contacted you with knowledge of where the
recovered beings from Virginia were taken on to the U.
S side without compromising your sources.
Speaker 5: What can you tell us about what they told you.
Speaker 2: Let's let's put it this way.
Speaker 9: Uh, I think the evidence for Virginia is not far
from Virginia.
Speaker 5: Got it? Okay? I think I think you. I think
you're pretty much pretty much settled down. I want to
play another.
Speaker 7: Clip altitude again and then.
Speaker 9: And disappeared behind the mountain.
Speaker 5: In this morning to say, so you went like.
Speaker 1: You think about fuel?
Speaker 5: All right, so tell us what we saw there.
Speaker 9: So we had a closed door meeting with city members
of Congress, introduced them to some of the leading witnesses.
Speaker 2: I actually had.
Speaker 9: I'd have to do the exact official count, but it
was at least four more at least four more, maybe
six other people that we were applying for visas that
got turned down, unfortunately. But we did get the neurosurgeon,
we got the forensic pathologist, and we got the lead
crash witness, Carlos Sososa in to meet with city members
of Congress. It was going to be written up by
a very reputable, very reputable well, some people would argue
that whatever mainstream news outlet the story was written, it
was copy edited, there were photographs taken, it was going
to print, and then literally hours before it was going
out to print, it got stepped on. But that was
a private meeting with members of Congress on the Virginia
case because we were hoping to inspire them enough to
start an investigation on the Americans. And we were, according
to Congressman Burls, and we were successful at that. Okay,
I'll say one more thing, which was fascinating. I had
to pinch myself in the meeting. I never thought, just
even a few years ago that we probably a year ago,
that we'd be sitting with members of Congress meeting with
an alleged first hand witness, in this case, a neurosurgeon,
to describe face to face contact limited communication with a
non human intelligence, that it was in captivity, and that
those allegations, that those claims would be taken very seriously.
I mean they were asking Luna and Burchette and Burleson
and there were other chiefs of staff and stuff there.
They were asking very intelligent questions, very serious questions. They
were taking those allegations very very seriously. I mean, particularly
a neurosurgeon. I mean, look, the guy uses credibility.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is as soon as you were
done talking about the the source telling you stuff you
know right here on the top of the page. As
soon as you were done with the question, that interference
just switched completely off.
Speaker 5: So I think we're getting jacked with here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I see how you were all I
I uh, all right, I've got another clip to play here.
Speaker 7: Three members of Congress for in a room, you know,
asking questions of a medical doctor who says that he
was in the presence of a live alien being in
the context extraordinary case that James hasn't investigating for a
long time, with lots and lots of witnesses, and you know,
that's I doubt that's ever happened before for members of Congress.
So I'm just curious, like what that what that experience
was like for you, and whether you have anything you
want to say about that meeting and what that meant
and how that might have affect your relationship.
Speaker 8: To all of us.
Speaker 4: It was an amazing meeting. We met down the so
my office is down the hall for Tim Burch's office.
We met at Tim's office and it was just it
was a great, great group we had these gentlemen. The
one thing that kind of came across to me is
that they were that they were absolutely genuine in what
they had been experiencing, you know, they felt like that
this was that that they were compelled to come forward.
But but again they they knew that this would maybe
threaten their reputation, threaten potentially their careers, and the type
of courage that that takes is something that should be applauded.
So it was it was amazing to hear that, and
we when we were able to ask details on the
on the question on the on the narratives that they
had given us, the fact that they would that they
could go into more further details with, you know, without
being having to think about it, it just it became
clear that they truly did have this experience.
Speaker 8: What are the aspects that we tried to focus on
at our event at the National Press Club January twentieth
of this year was that we kind of understood the
potential national security issues related to any potential recovered technology,
but that as David Grush would refer to them, the
biologics or the non human entities, no human beings, non
human intelligence beings that shouldn't have any national security issues
to releasing that nature of information to the world. Do
you agree with that or do you feel that that's case?
Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with that. I agree I totally agree
with that, like, if we have evidence, or if we
have bodies, we should release that to the world.
Speaker 8: Now, I understand extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but you know,
you've got to the lead neurosurgeon, doctor Eteloe, who's still
working on PE's brains. He's still the lead neuroshows in
a regional hospital today. He's not selling his story. He's
not selling a book. He'd be lying to his mother,
to his entire family, his wife, his children, his coworkers,
his colleagues.
Speaker 5: Where's the motive?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 8: But I've seen people attack him in ways that to
debunk and I understand it's a tall order to believe
something of that nature, but I think that that story
merits a deeper investigation. That's one of the reasons why
I felt it important to introduce some of the primary
witnesses to members of Congress and people on the task Force,
so they can shake their hands, meet their wives and say, wow,
I find this eyewitness testimony very compelling. Perhaps we can
do a little digging. Now we have potential flight from
the United States campin US, we have a date, we
have a location. Maybe we can find out anything on
the American side.
Speaker 4: What I'm trying to do is get specific things that
might confirm some of the stories that it happens. So,
for example, in the Barginia case, in Brazil, we can
try to track down the flight logs. I think we've
already sent a letter to the FBI requesting that they
look into this and determine what the flight logs were
and try to get that information. We can make a
request of any kind of documents to be released from Brazil.
When we have a press conference on this, and I
hope that Anna does a press conference soon, I'm going
to be making very specific asks, and one of those
will be that other nations join the United States to
demonstrate the same level of disclosure, because there's likely information
that's being held by other countries as well.
Speaker 2: I'm having hard time hearing you here.
Speaker 5: Kidding, just kidding. I got you, I got you, all right,
My god, you had a little oh like I I'
oh yeah, sorry. I couldn't resist. I couldn't. I couldn't resist.
Speaker 2: You did you did better than me? You did better
than I did.
Speaker 5: No, you did, you did pretty good.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the question I was actually reading with my
with my MIC's which stop that's funny one of the mods.
Speaker 5: Uh uh, Mary that that helps us out. She just
u she just.
Speaker 1: Texted, damn you, Matty. I guess they were all panicking too. Okay,
So so talking about air aircraft. So nineteen forty nine
c C I a document references recovered materials from Brazil.
You've also referenced Colonel Klausen and this unauthorized US cargo
plane on Brazilian soil. And I remember when I when
I watched your your incredible thing at the press club.
You know, there was some talk of like trying to
track down the flight plan of this probably was a
C one thirty. I'm guessing has anyone had any luck
with that.
Speaker 2: We're doing a deep dive. I mean, we're let me
tell you, Colonel Clausen, thank you. Colonel. By the way,
he's also a witness.
Speaker 9: He was a fighter jet pilot and he was contacting
me a couple of years ago anonymously. And you know,
I get contacted by a lot of people, but this
guy was like really just really knowledgeable.
Speaker 2: Finally, after a couple of months, I was like, excuse me,
thank you, by the way, but who are you?
Speaker 9: He goes, well, actually I'm a United States Air Force colonel.
I'm a former fighter pilot. I had it a dramatic
UFO and counterback in nineteen eighty over northern Europe, and
I was and we hit it off and we've beencome
friends ever since. And he was like, let me just
tell you, I believe that the Americans were involved, and
if they were, even if it was a top seat mission,
there's going to be a paper trail, and let me
tell you where. And he started rattling off. If it
was a C one seven, then it would have to
get refueled. The flight distance was this far da da dah,
there would have been this, And jokingly he participated at
the National Press Club event that we did January twentieth.
You could watch it for free online. I think News
Nation did a whole thing on it. But he's jokingly
called Colonel paper Trail now because he's going through all
the different possibilities of where the paper troil would be,
and he's gotten every single tail number for every single
C one seven And we don't know for sure it
was a C one seven. We think it was a
C one seven, but it could have been a C
one thirty. But we're but he's getting all the tail numbers,
finding out where they were based how they and then
members of Congress are helping us now too, because, as
you saw in the movie, we filed defouder request back
in twenty twenty two. It took so long to hear
back from them that I'd forgotten that we'd filed that.
Our team was a gentleman that held out with that,
And we got a response in twenty twenty five, and
it was from.
Speaker 2: The CIA and they were CIA was like, CA was like,
you know, we can either confirm nor deny.
Speaker 9: I mean, he's almost comical, and therefore your request, you know,
is denied.
Speaker 2: And then they said, you know, due to the National.
Speaker 9: Security Act of nineteen forty nine, you know, we're exempt
from having to disclose that nature and blah blah blah
blah blah. But it was interesting that we set this
boy in and we got a response to the CIA,
and the CIA seems to be I mean, the more
I learn, and you have to talk to uap Gurby's
way more knowledgeable than I'll ever be. But the more
I learn, it sounds like the CIA has been kind
of in charge of all this stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Actually, I co wrote an article for The Daily Mail
with Chris Sharp and Josh Boswall a couple of years
ago where we detailed exactly what this little known office
called the CIA office a Global Access the dirty little
things they've been doing, picking up vehicles from our neighbors,
not from here, So the CIA.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's there's some dirty stuff. So I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Obviously people come to you, not only about this particular case,
but others, I'm sure, and you've probably got some pretty
juicy stuff in your head or on your laptop or whatever.
Do you have any kind of contingency plan, a kind
of dead man switch? We'll just say, if something were
to ever happen to you such that all of this
knowledge that you have not made public gets out, I.
Speaker 2: Don't they could just take me out and all those
secrets that go to the great.
Speaker 5: Oh come on, now, you gotta have some kind of
backup plan. I certainly hope you do.
Speaker 2: You know I I.
Speaker 9: Would be worried, And I thought about this, like like
to say, you know, I did get my hands on
the video, I'd be worried.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've thought about.
Speaker 9: That scenario a lot of times. Then I would have
I would be legitimately worried. I can assure you.
Speaker 2: Those the powers that be do not want that photograph
for that video despite even AI. They don't want that out.
Speaker 9: So you know, anybody with that type of evidence is
gonna it needs to be worried. I'll tell you about
this meeting I had. I'm not sure much time we have.
I'll be quick, you're gonna meet. I met with doctor
Peter Sturk, a physicist at Stanford University, and I interviewed
him for a film I did, Out of the Blue.
I did one version of Out of the Blue that
I did another version called the Director's cut, and that
was like an additional at least two two and a
half more years of work, and he might have appeared
and I know what I saw, but definitely out of
the blue. And he reached out to me a few
years back, somewhat out of the blue, and he's like, hey,
do you want to get together for lunch?
Speaker 2: And I said yeah.
Speaker 9: He goes, you want to meet that restaurant on the
north side of the Golden Gate Bridge in a town
called Salcelito, this Italian restaurant. We'd met there before. Yeah,
it'd be great. Hey do you mind if I bring
you know, a friend or whatever. And he's like, no,
I think just just the two of us for this meet.
Long story short, We meet and he says, I got
this material that I've been collecting over the decades, and
it's from various alleged UFO incidences and you know it's
basically metal stuff samples and angel hair and you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Like, my God, that got my attention. And he said,
I'm gonna I'm gonna give you some I'm.
Speaker 9: Dispersing over a very wide, very large area, but you
need to make a promise to me. Okay, doctor Sturk,
what's that? He said, you need to tell me. You
need to promise me that you're never going to talk
about it. And I've gotten rid of it since then,
so I'm happy to talk about it now. You're never
going to talk about it on a phone via email.
It's face to face only, no recording devices. And I
looked at him and I thought, Jesus, are you that paranoid,
doctor Sturk?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 9: And he said yeah, I'm that paranoid and you should
be too. And I said, well, give me, like, what
do you mean? He goes, well, he goes I had
some stored in my and he had it. He goes,
I'm not an idiot. I had it all over the
different place. But he goes, I had some and my
bank vault and I had some being analyzing labs. But
I dispersed it over a very large He goes, I
had my bank vault and my bank manager called me
and he said, uh, doctor Sturk, misters steric, I don't
have any explanation for this. We're going to investigate. But
your bank vault door was open and the contents are empty.
And they left the door open when they left, almost
like well obviously intentionally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's they can get to you.
Speaker 9: And I've talked, he goes, I've had them show up
at a lab and take the stuff. My bank vault
was emptied and the door left open. This is doctor Sturk.
And if anybody out there knows who doctor Sturk is,
this guy's not own to He's not crazy. He's a
grounded physicist, I mean Stanford like, and he was serious,
serious as a heart attack when he told me this stuff.
I kept the stuff for a few years, and then
I gave it to a few scientists, and I hope
that that whatever they did with it, I hope it
gets published publicly. I'll reach out to them at some
point and find out. But yeah, he said that, and
you know people that have like, I'll give you one
more example.
Speaker 2: This is crazy.
Speaker 9: I was investigating the Phoenix Lights case for over a
decade on and off, right, I've been back and forth.
I got the Governor five Simon to go on the
record for the first time, and I'll let everybody know.
Like he initially came out and was like, you know.
Speaker 2: This is serious. We need to launch an investigation and
we're doing this, that and the other thing. And he
was very serious.
Speaker 9: And then I think it was like later that day
or very shortly there afterwards, he had that silly press
confidence in one of his aides dressed up in a
suit and YadA, YadA, YadA, made a joke out of
the whole thing, which he later confessed it not only
did he really launch an investigation, but he also he
himself saw the craft and he determined immediately it was
not of Earth origin. Anyway, during my early investigations, I
was talking to Francis Barwood. She was one of the
you know, she was a town councilwoman, and she was
one of the few representatives that were like coming publicly
and saying, hey, people saw something, let's launch an investigation.
Speaker 2: And she was lampooned.
Speaker 9: But this guy contacted her and he was like, hey,
you're one of the few people that are taking this seriously.
I'm a Vietnam vet. I was on my roof with
a camera and a tripod, and I was going to
get it a good shot of the What was that
media writer that it was the helpop was Helm? Yeah, Yeah,
he was gonna get shots at the hell Bob comment.
He was all set up with his tripod and his
camera and he had a little uh cebee radio and
he was, you know, just something that he did, and
he he said he could hear these truckers on Interstate
ten between Tucson and Phoenix describing this very large boomerang
shaped craft huge and he was like, according to the trucker,
He's like, hey, that thing's coming right for me. So
he turned his camera and he got it flying right
over the top of him on camera with a tripod,
which is like everyone's everyone's like tripod camera, you know.
So he's like, I got this incredible video. Would you
like to see it, and they make arrangements for he
was going to drop it off at a Francis Francis's
office and I don't know if it was later that
day or the next morning, I don't I can't remember exactly,
but it was very shortly after the phone call. Two
men in suits showed up and it was July. The
big sighting happened on March thirteenth, but this was July.
It's very hot June or July. And he goes, yeah,
there these two men in suits, shut up and in
a government vehicle. And he goes, that was really odd
because it was really hot. It was over one hundred
degrees and they were in suits, which was a bit odd.
And they knocked on my door and they were quite
menacing looking, and they said, hey, we're here from Francis
Barwood's office to pick up the footage. And he thought, well,
that's great. That's a bit of a relief. I guess
I saved me a trip. And so the only question
they asked him is did you make any copies? And
he said no, and he gave the footage and then
he doesn't hear back from Francis Barwood, so he calls
Francis like a week later. He's like, well, what'd you think?
She goes, what do you mean when I think you
were supposed to drop it off? Well, I didn't have
to drop it off because two men from your office
came round and picked it up.
Speaker 2: She goes, I didn't send anybody around.
Speaker 9: He's like, well, yeah, and you could ask Francis Ma
bar Wood, She'll tell you about it. So that was
like I'd heard about these men in suits, you know,
a couple times prior to that, But that was like,
that was chilling and had this uncanny ability to appear.
And I could go on until tomorrow morning with cases
that I've heard. Then I finally, of course, with Virginia,
I went all in when the mother of the two
girls said that she had a visit from three or
four men in suits intimidating her threat, you know, offering
money to get her daughter's July blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they're from some organization, probably the CIA, I
don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and do I can I have you for
like another ten to fifteen minutes, I know, we said,
an es, Yeah, so yes, okay, so we'll make it
a quick I just wanted to relate what happened to
me because some of our viewers may not be aware
of this, so I mentioned the story about the CIA
Office of Global Access. So this came out back I
think it was around two years ago, and Chris Sharp
and myself have been working on this for a couple
of months, and then Josh came in.
Speaker 5: Towards the end.
Speaker 1: We were insanely locked down in our communications. We only
used signal so before Pete heggsath of course, but we
didn't tell anybody about this thing the story.
Speaker 5: About an hour before it's going to go live on.
Speaker 1: The Daily Mail, we have this call with an ally
in the intelligence community, and this ally says, look, from
here on out, you cannot ever mention your sources names,
even if you're alone in your bedroom or alone in
a hotel or anything, because this article is going to
cause a firestorm at Langley and they're going to want
to know how you guys found out about this. And
so that was kind of the warning, like, oh, okay,
I didn't really kind of think about it. The article
goes live at seven at I think it was ten
o'clock LA time. I hop on a plane to fly
to Las Vegas for a television show. I was working
on Land in Vegas. They put me up at the
Waldorf Astoria on the Strip. There's no casino or anything,
So get into my room, grab my laptop, and I
decide to go upstairs to the top floor bar to
work on my laptop. Now I don't drink, so I'm
drinking a soda water this U shaped bar. There are
only eight people in this huge bar, and there's only
at the bar me. And then about ten minutes later,
this attractive thirty somethingter walks in and sits a seat
away for me, starts trying to strike up a conversation,
and I'm in my own zone, so I kind of
ignore her.
Speaker 5: So she goes and she sits at like the ten
o'clock position to me at the bar.
Speaker 1: And then this gentleman a little bit older than me
walks in with a white Hawaiian shirt and sits directly
across from me. Now I'm on my laptop typing away,
and you know, I just kind of see him out
of my view, and all of a sudden, I hear
him say UFO. He's talking to the girl, and I
just stop, and I'm thinking to myself Okay, well, what
are the chances of me being in this five star.
Speaker 5: Hotel with no casino. It's not like there's a bunch
of ref raff in there.
Speaker 1: There are only eight people in this entire room and
three people in the bar, including myself. And this guy
says UFO. So I decide to engage him. I fold
my laptop down and I say, excuse me, did you
read that article that came out this morning in the
Daily Mail about UFOs?
Speaker 5: I overheard you talking about it.
Speaker 1: And he looks directly at me and he says, no,
But that article I just read about Lou Elizondo being
a liar sure sticks out of my head. And I
know I froze because A I knew one Lou hadn't
been in the media in quite some time. B what
are the chances of somebody A even knowing who he
is at that time, all before the movies? And so
I just kind of blurted out, well, you should look
into it. I fold my laptop, I fold my laptop
back up, and I text someone on signal that comes
from a certain three letter agency and said, this is
what's going on. What should I do? Is this like
OSI CIA or whatever? And the advice I was given
don't engage the individual at all. And of course my
heart is pounding at this point, and so I wait
about ten minutes. He's still kind of talking to the girl,
and then he's on his phone. So I finally decide,
you know what, I'm going to see try it again?
Speaker 5: What do I have to lose? So I fold my
laptop down.
Speaker 1: I looked directly at him and said, hey, did you
ever find that article about in the Daily Mail about
the UFO stuff.
Speaker 5: He stands up from his stool.
Speaker 1: Takes his phone, starts taking my photo with it, and says, no,
but that article about louel A Zondo being a liar
sure sticks out of my head, and he puts his
cell phone in his pocket and he walks out the door.
Speaker 5: It scared the holy hell out of me.
Speaker 1: And it was it told me a that my communications
had been monitored, and and it was it was clearly
a message that I needed to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: But that's the kind of harassment journalists and others, and
and I'm glad you have not been the recipient of
anything of it, But it is real, and it's it's
it's quite frankly frightening.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 9: I'll tell you something really quick, real quick. I promise
my son's going on a camping trip tomorrow. He's eleven
and he's going away for four four days, and so
I promised i'd take him out to dinner.
Speaker 2: So that's why I got to go soon. But I
was I used to.
Speaker 9: I had a friend of mine that had a catering
company and I did painting jobs, I parked cars. I
was a valet parker at this fancy hotel, uh casmo
Jona and Uh. I would also volunteer sometimes at my
buddy's catering gig, and you know, it was kind of fun,
you know. But we were working at this place called
opus I Winery in Napa and it was a big
fundraising event for the Republican Party and we were told specifically,
don't frat andize with any of the guests, just walk up,
serve the food, keep your pie a hole shut. You're
going to be you know, and nuke Ingrids was there.
Now at the time, there was a Congressman Schiff who
was pushing for transparency on the Roswell case. Because the
Roswell was coming up to the fiftieth anniversary, or maybe
it just happened in the fiftieth anniversary, or maybe it
was about to happen. I can't remember exactly, but there
was getting a lot of media coverage. I mean the
fiftieth anniversary for Roswell. Yet Corso came out and he
was getting a lot of traction, a lot of people
were talking. And then you had the city Member of
Congress shiff and he was like, you know, they're lying
and they're not being straight with me. And I was like, wow,
this guy, this is incredible. I was actually expecting in
the nineties that the Roswell was coming out, like wow,
you know, and then all of a sudden he gets
cancer and he's dead.
Speaker 2: I was kind of weird.
Speaker 9: Like you know, Vin, I'm just saying from an outsider,
I was watching this go down and it spooked my
It spooked me, right. So anyway, I met this event
at Opusque Winery and uh, I see New Gingrid's at
the time. It must have been Speaker of the House
or if yeah, he probably was Speaker of the House
and uh and I had these little bacon wrapped. It
was it was it was like it was like a
piece of steak or pork wrapped with bacon. They were
really good, and I had a little tray of them.
And I was walking around and I was giving people,
you know, samples of food, and there were drinks and
and I was like, I knew I wasn't supposed to
talk to these guys, but I couldn't help myself. So
I I asked, mister Gingrid speaker, would you care for
you know? And he, oh, don't mind if I don't.
Speaker 2: He walked over and they had their wives there too,
and there.
Speaker 9: Were other members but I don't remember exactly other senators
that were there, but the Speaker of the House who
I particularly remember, and there were wives. And I said
something like, do you do you anticipate any kind of
you know, disclosure on the UFO topic? And he looks
at me and he goes on the what on the
what topic? I said, the UFO topic, and he goes
and he kind of stops and he looks at me
and he goes, oh, Congressmanship was working on that. And
I said, yeah, Congressman ship died. He goes, yeah, it's unfortunate,
isn't it.
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: Kind of spooky, right, And I've got this like chills.
Speaker 9: I was like the look and again it could have
been me my interpretation of it, but the look that
I interpreted from him was you're in over your head, kid, Like,
now just stop asking what again. I'm not accusing him
of being on a super secret you know, having any involvement,
but the way he.
Speaker 2: Said it really gave me the creeps at the time.
Speaker 9: So anyways, he walks away and the wives stayed on
with one guy, a couple of men, but primary the wives,
and they were like, you know, the public has a
right to know. And I feel like, and I was
thinking to myself at the time, it's too bad there
weren't more women in power because these women were like
this secrecy isn't.
Speaker 2: Right and the people have a right to know. And
I thought, my god, if I had a secret camera,
right and that would be amazing. But yeah, oh sorry,
but yeah, that's it. I met speaking ginglers about that.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's an amazing story. Just a couple of
questions from the audience. Does this is from Dove Snapper?
Does James intend to try interviewing Eric Lopez again? He
drove the car when Marco Scheries captured the et on
the on the roadside yeah.
Speaker 2: So I just found out two things. One is, yes,
we contacted his wife.
Speaker 9: Now I don't know, there's a little uh funny unknown
fact uh Eric Lopes some people called Lopis.
Speaker 2: Lopes l o p e s.
Speaker 9: Eric married his partner who died, Marco Cheriz, who died
after allegedly capturing the thing with his bare hands.
Speaker 2: He married Eric Lope married his sister.
Speaker 9: He had two sisters, Marta who participated in the film,
his other sister. We contacted and I said, indirectly through
a translator, what is it going to take to get Eric?
And this is right after we doorstepped him and he
threatened to shoot us. What is it going to take
to get your husband to come forward? Because that's what
I always say. I don't say can he come forward?
Or will he come forward?
Speaker 2: What is it going to take?
Speaker 9: Because everyone's got something that it'll take this Her response
was bring my brother back to life and he'll talk.
Obviously that's not going to happen. But I also found
out recently. Just I was there in late January this year.
We got a big screening with the sitting member of
the the mayor, and.
Speaker 2: There was another.
Speaker 9: Security guard that I'd known and he came up to
me and he's like, hey, I'm with Eric Lopes not
too long ago. And he did have a gun and
he wasn't going to shoot you in the face. He
was gonna so he had a phone in one hand,
and apparently he did have a gun, as we all suspected,
and he did threaten to shoot us, but he was
gonna shoot just.
Speaker 2: A little funny thing.
Speaker 9: He was going to shoot a couple of rounds in
the sky first and then if we didn't scatter, which
obviously yeah, yeah, but you know, everyone's looking very carefully
at the reaction and the treatment that doctor Eteloe is getting.
The lead neurosurgeon, I did put out a statement because
I knew he was getting some pushback and something was
happening with his job, and anyway, I made a very
public statement and I put it out there and I said,
if any military people are considering.
Speaker 2: And paying him.
Speaker 9: Toicate, my rest of my life to exposing finding you
and exposing that, just so you know, like we have
eyes on them. And I remember a number of people
at the recent screening that we had a moment of
contact new revelations in Vargenia with the mayor and others
and military experts in the crowd.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows that. And I had people come up to
me and they said, I'm a witness, I'm this person,
I saw this. I saw that.
Speaker 9: And when you came forward and you made that statement
about doctor Etelo, everyone interpreted, did that us feel a
lot more secure? So, and I'm also working with the
sitting member, I mean, you know, the mayor and saying like,
keep your eyes on these people, make sure these people
are protected, make sure. And I think the more public
you go, the quicker and more public you go, the
better off you're you're going to be.
Speaker 5: I agree with that. So, so James final question.
Speaker 1: You opened the phenomenon with the line, the question is
no longer if they are here, but but why after
thirty years of doing this do you have an answer?
James has fallen asleep. Okay, well I think we may
have lost them. There has been just some crazy shit
during Oh there we go, now you're back. Yeah, okay,
So so my question was my final question. So you
opened the phenomenon with the line, the question is no
longer if they are here, but why after thirty years
do you have an answer? Thirty years later.
Speaker 2: Op back.
Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, this never happens on the show.
Speaker 1: So I guess they don't want me to ask this question,
which I'll do it a third time. You open the
phenomenon saying, there's no longer a question of if they
are here?
Speaker 5: But why do you have any theories as to why
after all this time?
Speaker 2: All right, you broke up again. I got your back.
Now I ask it one more time. Hopefully it doesn't freeze.
Speaker 5: Go oh my god.
Speaker 1: So in the phenomenon you asked, it's no longer a
question if they are here? But why do you have
any answer to that after all this time?
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 9: And funny, I feel like I got really close to
having some idea. I was talking to an individual that
investigated the phenomenon for I think sixteen years in a
physial capacity, and look, you never know who's going to
be in a position, but I look.
Speaker 2: At specific people and I think, if anyone's going to know,
it would be them.
Speaker 9: And they talked about it being a little scary, and
I guess that would be the intent. But I never
found out what the intent is. And I'll keep I'll
keep digging, and if I hear from someone that I
respect or someone that I feel would be in a
position to know.
Speaker 2: Obviously I'll share that publicly, but I don't.
Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, so you're breaking up.
Speaker 1: All I have to say is I've done two hundred
shows and I've never had this happen. This is like
one thousand dollars ifb pack, and I've never had those
kinds of noises on there.
Speaker 5: So I think someone's effing with us. But James, thank
you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time, and just from the bottom
of my heart, thank you for the filmmaking that you do.
I dare say we would not be here along this path,
We would not be at this point in time and
the UAP disclosure if it were not for these wonderful
films that you've done.
Speaker 5: So please keep it up and God bless you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really appreciate your reporting as well.
Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh You're very welcome, Okay, James Fox. Ladies and ladies
and gentlemen. So yeah, Wow, that was pretty pretty crazy there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, so I wear two wireless belt packs.
These are like television quality belt packs. One is for
my microphone and then the other one is for this
year p he called an IFB and right when we
got to the part where I was going to ask
asking about the CIA, it was just like his voice
came back doubled and with this kind of it sounded
electronic like you was a robot. I've never had that happen,
nor have I ever had zooms drop off like that.
And we have a t one connection here.
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thank you everyone for tuning in. I hope everyone enjoyed it.
James Fox is just just an amazing, an amazing, amazing filmmaker.
Speaker 5: And the thing I'll say.
Speaker 1: What is really important about what people like James Fox
are doing and other filmmakers in this space is I
would guess probably ninety five ninety eight percent of the
population has no clue as to what is going on.
Speaker 5: With this particular topic.
Speaker 1: They have no idea that members of Congress know that
this is real and are taking this seriously. And it
is through the magic of good storytelling on the big
screen or small screen if it's in your home, and
people like James Fox and others, what they do is
what opens this topic up to the populace. And at
the end of the day, it's you and I telling
our lawmakers we want something done on this and if
we want to move the needle, we need to let
our lawmakers know that this is important. And vehicles such
as the film that James Fox have done and continue
to do that helps build that momentum, that helps build
that hopefully will snowball effect where hopefully one day soon
we'll reach critical mass. So please reach out to your lawmakers. Anyway, everyone,
have great Sunday. Thank you very much for tuning in.
We do have an episode that will be coming up
very soon where I will be exposing some written evidence
that shows that the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office
was constructed to be a disinformation operation. And of course
we know that Anna Polina Luna is already talking Congresswoman
Annapolina A. Luna, who I have the pleasure of chatting
with at the after show party at real time with
Bill Maher on Friday.
Speaker 5: She's a lovely.
Speaker 1: Individual, smart, in it for the right reasons and is
really fighting for UAP transparency. But we know that she
stated I think yesterday that ARROW needs to be disbanded
and disfunded, and with what I'm about to put out,
that should be this week. I don't have an air
date for you. I think it answers the question with
closes the door completely shut.
Speaker 5: Arrow must be disbanded.
Speaker 1: It must be defunded because it is literally a machine
designed to lie to Congress And why in the hell
we're paying for that. And we're also going to reveal
the amount, the classified amount of money that Arrow has
been given. And I think it's going to make everybody
watching this show that has a hell of a time
putting food on the table or paying their rent or
paying their mortgage, it's going to make you goddamn mad
at the amount of money being wasted at the Pentagon's
All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.
Speaker 5: So stay tuned for that. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Call your lawmakers tell them that we deserve disclosure, and again,
please please take some time after the show to do
those little things on YouTube. We'll definitely do us a solid, which,
by the way, Ross Coltart told me in Australia doing
a solid means something else than what I'm talking about. Anyway,
everyone have a great Sunday, and thanks again also for
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