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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back deep divers. Today we're diving into

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something pretty interesting. Yeah, it's pretty controversial too. It is

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Project Redsen. Oh yeah, have you heard about this?

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Speaker 2: I have. It's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So this is a theory that, uh, there was a

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joint US Soviet mission to Mars.

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Speaker 2: To Mars, yeah, now, decades before we even knew there

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was water there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is supposed to have happened in the seventies.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Which is it's mind blowing, isn't it wild? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Why when you think, like we were just barely getting

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to the moon, the public.

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Speaker 2: Was captivated by the space race exactly, you know, Sputnik,

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garn the moon landing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all this stuff was happening out in the open exactly.

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Speaker 2: But behind the scenes, who knows what was going on?

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Speaker 1: Right, And so this theory suggests.

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Speaker 2: That while they were competing publicly, they might have been

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secretly cooperating, writing together on a much bigger goal, a

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hidden agenda, Yeah, getting humans tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Why would they do that?

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Speaker 2: Well, there are a few theory floating around, Okay. One

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is that it was kind of a backup plan for humanity.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, you know, the Cold War was going on the

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thread of nuclear war was very real, right, right, and

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some people believed that establishing a presence on another planet

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just in case, just in case, Yeah, it was crucial

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for our survival.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So like a plan B, like a lifeboat for

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humanity exactly. Now. I remember reading about Project Horizon, Oh yeah,

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which was the US military's plan to build a base

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on the Moon.

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Speaker 2: That's right, a military base on the Moon.

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Speaker 1: Sounds crazy.

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Speaker 2: It does sound crazy, but it shows you the kind

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of ambitions they had back then, right, And.

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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder if maybe those ambitions extended even

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further absolutely to Mars. Perhaps perhaps, So let's say they

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did want to go to Mars. How could they have

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pulled it off?

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Speaker 2: Well, you have to think about the technology they had

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back then.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: The US had the Saturn V rocket, powerful rocket, incredibly powerful,

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capable of launching heavy loads into space. The Soviets, on

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the other hand, they were ahead in life support.

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Speaker 1: System, right, the stuff you need to keep people live

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in space for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So maybe they each had some pieces of the puzzle.

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Speaker 2: Right, and maybe they combine their strengths to make it happen.

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Speaker 1: A secret collaboration pooling their resources and expertise.

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Speaker 2: It's a possibility, isn't it it is?

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a possibility.

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Speaker 2: And who would they send on such a daring mission?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Who would they trust? Was such a huge secret?

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Speaker 2: Well, the project read some theory suggests a pretty incredible crew. Okay,

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lay it on me, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin.

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Speaker 1: No way, the first men on the moon yep.

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Speaker 2: And to add to the intrigue, Soviet cosmonaut Vladimir.

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Speaker 1: Illution whoa a joint US Soviet crew?

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Speaker 2: Talk about a team for the history books?

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Speaker 1: Right? That's wild? Okay, so they've got the crew, they've

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got the technology, but what about the spacecraft? Ah, the

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space What did they fly to Mars in.

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Speaker 2: The ISV Columbus?

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Speaker 1: Allegedly the ISV Columbus never heard of it.

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Speaker 2: And that's the point.

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Speaker 1: You weren't supposed to write top secret, black budget.

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Speaker 2: All that exactly a ghost ship sailing through the Cosmos.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm with you so far. But here's the big question. Shoot,

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why keep it a secret? If they really did go

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to Mars, why not shout it from the rooftops?

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Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question, isn't it it is?

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Speaker 1: What could be so important that they keep this incredible

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achievement hidden from the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's where things get even more interesting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm all yours.

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Speaker 2: Some proponents of the project read some theories suggest that

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they found something on.

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Speaker 1: Mars, found something like what you're not going to say, aliens,

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are you?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the theories out there, aliens serious.

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It's a popular one, the idea that they discovered something

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so extraordinary, so potentially.

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Speaker 1: Disruptive, like evidence of an alien civilization, right.

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Speaker 2: Or even contact with extraterrestrial life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now we're getting into science fiction territory.

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Speaker 2: It does sound far fetched, I'll admit, but.

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Speaker 1: It's a good story. I'll give you that.

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Speaker 2: It is. What's a captivating narrative.

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Speaker 1: Government's keeping alien secrets, powerful forces controlling the narrative.

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Speaker 2: It plays into our fascination with the unknown, the idea

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that there are truths hidden just beyond our grasp.

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Speaker 1: Right, Like there's this whole other world operating in the shadow.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got this intriguing theory, But what about

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the evidence?

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Speaker 2: Ah? Yes, the evidence.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything to back up these claims?

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Speaker 2: There are photos, videos, even eyewitness accounts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now we're talking. Let's dive into that.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's start with the photos.

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Speaker 1: The photos supposedly smuggled out of some secret archive, right.

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Speaker 2: Showing astronauts on Mars wearing bulky spacesuits against a reddish landscape.

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Speaker 1: I've seen those online. They're pretty blurry.

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Speaker 2: Though, Yes, the quality is questionable.

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Speaker 1: You could convince me it's a bunch of kids playing

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Speaker 2: Oh, I see your point.

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Speaker 1: But wait, didn't buzz Aldron say something about Mars? He

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did something about a monolith on.

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Speaker 2: Phobos, Yes, one of Mars's moons.

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Speaker 1: Is like he was hinting at something, like he knew

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more than he was letting on.

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Speaker 2: That quote definitely fueled speculation.

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Speaker 1: Coming from the second man on the moon, it adds

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a certain weight to the misery. So we've got blurry photos,

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cryptic comments from a moonwalker.

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Speaker 2: And then there's the video footage.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the video. What's this story there?

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Speaker 2: This footage, allegedly smuggled out of NASA archives is said

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to show the launch of the ISV Columbus.

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Speaker 1: Wow, hold on video footage of a secret Mars mission

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from the seventies.

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Speaker 2: That's the claim, But is.

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Speaker 1: It even possible that something like that could have been

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kept secret for so long.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what the proponents of the theory argue.

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Speaker 1: That this footage was carefully guarded, only to be leaked

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by brave whistleblowers.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, people willing to risk everything to expose the truth.

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Speaker 1: So we've got blurry photos, cryptic comments, a secret video.

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This is getting pretty interesting, it is. But it's not

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just about the visuals, right, There were actual people claiming

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to have been involved in Project Redsin.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the whistleblowers, people who.

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Speaker 1: Came forward with their stories, risking their reputations, maybe even

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their lives.

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Speaker 2: Their accounts are some of the most intriguing and controversial

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aspects of this whole saga.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm hooked. Tell me more about these whistleblowers.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's start with Jackie.

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Speaker 1: Jackie. Who's she?

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Speaker 2: She claims to be a former NASA employee.

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Speaker 1: A former NASA employee, Okay, what's her story.

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Speaker 2: She called into a radio show back in the two thousands.

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Speaker 1: A radio show, Bold Move it was.

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Speaker 2: She claimed she witnessed live footage of astronauts walking on Mars,

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live footage from when being transmitted back from the Viking Lander.

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Speaker 1: Wait, Viking. But those were unmanned missions.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's the official story.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So what's Jackie saying?

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Speaker 2: She claims that she and several colleagues saw two men

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in space suits approaching the Viking Lander on a live

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feed from Mars.

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Speaker 1: Whoa hold on two men in spacesuits on Mars during

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the Viking mission?

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Speaker 2: That's what she alleges, and what happened. She says, NASA

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immediately cut the feed when they realized their mistake.

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Speaker 1: If that's true, that's a pretty huge cover up, it

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would be. And she's not the only one, right, there's

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William Rutledge too. Ah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, William Rutliche his stories is even more incredible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what did he claim?

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Speaker 2: He claims to have been an astronaut on not one,

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but multiple missions to Mars.

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Speaker 1: Multiple missions to Mars back in the seventies.

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Speaker 2: That's right. He claims it was part of a covert program,

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a secret space program that went beyond just exploring.

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Speaker 1: So what were they doing on these missions?

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Speaker 2: He says they were interacting with extraterrestrial.

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Speaker 1: Beings, interacting with aliens seriously.

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Speaker 2: And retrieving advanced technology.

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Speaker 1: Alien technology. This is getting wild.

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Speaker 2: It is a pretty elaborate story.

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Speaker 1: But if it's true, why haven't we seen any of

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Speaker 2: That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Why keep it hidden from the world.

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Speaker 2: It's a mystery.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we've got Jackie with the secret footage, Ruttledge

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with the alien encounters.

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Speaker 2: And we can't forget about Gary McKinnon.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the hacker.

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Speaker 2: He claimed to have found evidence of a secret space.

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Speaker 1: Fleet, a secret space fleet like Star Wars stuff.

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Speaker 2: Not exactly, but he claimed to have found files and

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spreadsheets where very deep within NASA and Pentagon computer systems.

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Speaker 1: WHOA, So he hacked into NASA and the Pentagon.

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Speaker 2: He did, and it caused a major international incident.

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Speaker 1: Right, the US government tried to extrad item.

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Speaker 2: It was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: So what did he actually find?

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Speaker 2: He claims he found evidence of a covert space program,

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something beyond what the public.

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Speaker 1: Knows, like a secret space fleet, maybe even space soldiers.

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Speaker 2: That's the implication.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating. Even if we don't know for sure what

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he found, it.

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Speaker 2: Raises questions about what else might be hidden from.

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Speaker 1: Us, right, What secrets are they keeping?

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Speaker 2: It's a question that many people are asking.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got these whistleblowers, each with their own

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piece of the puzzle, secret footage, alien encounters a hidden

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space fleet.

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Speaker 2: It's a captivating story, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It really is makes you wonder if there's some truth

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buried beneath all the speculation.

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Speaker 2: It's always that possibility.

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Speaker 1: But if these claims are so explain, surely they've been investigated, right,

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they have.

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Speaker 2: And that's where the skeptics come in.

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Speaker 1: The skeptics. Okay, so what do they say about all this?

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Speaker 2: Well, they've taken a close look at the evidence and

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they've found some problems. Problems like what, well, that's a

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story for another time.

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Speaker 1: You're killing me. All right, fine, we'll have the wait

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for the next deep dive to hear what the skeptics

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have to say.

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Speaker 2: It'll be worth the way, I promise.

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Speaker 1: I hope. So until then, keep those minds curious and

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those questions coming.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, deep Divers. All right, we're back picking up

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Speaker 1: Left off, right, Project Redson, all.

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Speaker 2: Those tantalizing claims, the photos, the videos, the whistleblowers, the

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secret mission to Mars, maybe even aliens.

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Speaker 1: It's a wild story, it is. But we also said

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we'd hear from this skeptics.

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Speaker 2: Right the other side of the coin.

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Speaker 1: The people who say hold on, not.

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Speaker 2: So fast, exactly. They've taken a close look at.

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Speaker 1: All the evidence, and what have they found.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've raised some serious doubts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, give me the details.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with those photos, the ones that we're supposed

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Speaker 1: Astron Mars, right, the glory ones.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. The skeptics didn't just look at them with their eyes.

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What do you mean, They used image analysis techniques compared

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to them to other space photos.

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Speaker 1: What kind of other photos?

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Speaker 2: Publicly available images from NASA missions?

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Speaker 1: Okay, and guess what they found a.

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Speaker 2: Match many of those Project Red Sun photos. They bear

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a striking resemblance to images from the Apollo missions. You're kidding, Nope,

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and also to images from the Mars Reconnaissance orbiter.

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Speaker 1: So they're saying that these Mars photos are actually just

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Speaker 2: Be from other missions, tweaked a bit, maybe with a

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Mars filter.

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Speaker 1: So someone's pulling a fast one.

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Speaker 2: It's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: That's disappointing.

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Speaker 2: It does take away some of the mystery, for sure,

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but it's a good reminder context.

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Speaker 1: Is everything right? When you see those photos without the story,

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they don't seem so special exactly, Okay, but what about

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the video that seemed harder to fake?

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Speaker 2: It did, but the skeptics tackled that too. Ooh, frame

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by frame analysis.

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Speaker 1: Wow, they really went deep.

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Speaker 2: They did, and they found some interesting similarities, similarities to

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what a British mockumentary from the seventies called Alternative three.

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Speaker 1: Wait, hold on a mockumentary.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a fake documentary about space.

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Speaker 1: You're saying they use footage from a fake documentary to

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try to prove a secret Mars mission.

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Speaker 2: That's what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. But how can they be sure?

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Speaker 2: The scenes, the camera angles, even the lighting.

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Speaker 1: It all matches up.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty convincing.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So that throws a wrench in the whole video

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 1: So we've got photos that might be from other missions,

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a video that might be from a mockumentary.

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Speaker 2: What about the whistleblowers?

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Speaker 1: Right? What about Jackie and William Rutledge and Carrie McKinnon.

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Speaker 2: The skeptics have looked into them too. Let's start with Jackie,

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the former NASA employee, the.

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Speaker 1: One who claimed to see astronauts on the Viking feed.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, the skeptics tried to verify her story. They

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couldn't find any record of her working for NASA.

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Speaker 1: No employment records, no colleagues to back her up, nothing.

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or maybe she just wanted to believe it was true.

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Speaker 2: That's another possibility.

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Speaker 1: And William Rutledge, the astronaut who claimed to go to

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Mars multiple times.

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Speaker 2: His story has been debunked as well. How So, there's

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no record of anyone named William Rutledge ever being an astronaut.

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Speaker 1: No photos, no mission logs, nothing, nothing. So either he

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was using a fake name or he was never an

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astronaut at all.

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Speaker 2: It seems likely.

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Speaker 1: And Gary McKinnon backer.

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Speaker 2: His case is a bit more complex.

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Speaker 1: Right, he did actually hack into those systems, he admitted

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to it, But did he really find evidence of a

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secret space program?

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Speaker 2: That's the debate.

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Speaker 1: He says he did, the government says he didn't exact.

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So where does that leave us.

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Speaker 2: We've got these fascinating claims, but the evidence has it

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held up under.

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Speaker 1: Scrutiny, So what are we supposed to believe?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the challenge, isn't it. It is separating fact

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Speaker 1: But even if it's not true, The story of Project

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reds and is still pretty compelling.

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Speaker 2: It is. It captures our imagination.

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Speaker 1: Makes you wonder, what if?

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Speaker 2: What if there are things happening that we're not being

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Speaker 1: What if there are secrets being kept from us?

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Speaker 2: Those are the questions that keep us searching, keep us exploring.

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Speaker 1: Right, because the truth is out there somewhere.

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Speaker 2: And the journey to find it is just as important

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Speaker 1: Okay, so where do we go from here? We've heard

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the claims, we've heard the debunking, We've.

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Speaker 2: Looked at the evidence from both sides.

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Speaker 1: Right, So what's the takeaway? Is Project Red Zone just

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a bunch of hot air well, even.

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Speaker 2: If the specific details are fabricated, Yeah, very idea of it.

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The way it captures our imagination, it's a good story.

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It is. It makes you think it speaks to something deeper.

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I think, like what our anxieties, our hopes are fascination

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with the unknown, the what ifs?

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Speaker 1: Exactly what if they did go to Mars? What if

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they did find something incredible?

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Speaker 2: What if we're not alone in the universe?

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Speaker 1: Right? Those are the big questions.

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Speaker 2: The questions that drive us, that make us want to explore.

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Speaker 1: But let's be realistic. Even if they're it was a

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secret Mars mission. M they probably didn't find aliens, probably not,

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but maybe just maybe they found something else.

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Speaker 2: Something they didn't want the public to know about, Like

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what maybe evidence of a past civilization on Mars?

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Speaker 1: Okay, now that would be a game changer, it would,

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Speaker 2: Control? Maybe control of the narrative, control of the information.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about a controlled release of information exactly.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're dribbling out the truth bit by.

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Speaker 1: Bit to avoid panic, to avoid chaos.

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Speaker 2: Or to maintain their power.

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Speaker 1: It's a conspiracy theory, I know.

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Speaker 2: But it's an intriguing one, it is, and it makes

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you wonder who's really in charge of space exploration these days.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about private companies.

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Speaker 2: Right, You're talking about private companies right.

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Speaker 1: Like SpaceX, Blue Origin.

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Speaker 2: Are they in on it too? Part of the grand plan?

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Speaker 1: Some people believe?

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Speaker 2: So that's a bit out there, don't you think?

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Speaker 1: Maybe? But it's not impossible. I yes, anything's possible, And

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it's important to ask these questions, to challenge the status quo.

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Speaker 2: To be critical thinkers.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: So, Project Rdson fact or fiction. The jury's still out,

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but it's a story that makes us think. That makes

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us question, and.

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing. It is. It reminds us that

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there's still so much we don't know about the universe,

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about our place in it, about our own history.

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Speaker 2: Even maybe the truth is out there, hidden in plain sight, Maybe.

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Speaker 1: It's waiting to be discovered.

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Speaker 2: And maybe, just maybe we're not alone after all.

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Speaker 1: That's the hope, isn't it It is, so keep exploring,

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keep questioning, keep those minds curious.

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Speaker 2: And thanks for joining us on this deep dive. It's

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been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, keep searching for the truth.