Speaker 1: All right, welcome back deep divers. Today we're diving into
something pretty interesting. Yeah, it's pretty controversial too. It is
Project Redsen. Oh yeah, have you heard about this?
Speaker 2: I have. It's fascinating.
Speaker 1: So this is a theory that, uh, there was a
joint US Soviet mission to Mars.
Speaker 2: To Mars, yeah, now, decades before we even knew there
was water there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is supposed to have happened in the seventies.
Speaker 2: That's right, Which is it's mind blowing, isn't it wild? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Why when you think, like we were just barely getting
to the moon, the public.
Speaker 2: Was captivated by the space race exactly, you know, Sputnik,
garn the moon landing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all this stuff was happening out in the open exactly.
Speaker 2: But behind the scenes, who knows what was going on?
Speaker 1: Right, And so this theory suggests.
Speaker 2: That while they were competing publicly, they might have been
secretly cooperating, writing together on a much bigger goal, a
hidden agenda, Yeah, getting humans tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Why would they do that?
Speaker 2: Well, there are a few theory floating around, Okay. One
is that it was kind of a backup plan for humanity.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Interesting, you know, the Cold War was going on the
thread of nuclear war was very real, right, right, and
some people believed that establishing a presence on another planet
just in case, just in case, Yeah, it was crucial
for our survival.
Speaker 1: Okay, So like a plan B, like a lifeboat for
humanity exactly. Now. I remember reading about Project Horizon, Oh yeah,
which was the US military's plan to build a base
on the Moon.
Speaker 2: That's right, a military base on the Moon.
Speaker 1: Sounds crazy.
Speaker 2: It does sound crazy, but it shows you the kind
of ambitions they had back then, right, And.
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder if maybe those ambitions extended even
further absolutely to Mars. Perhaps perhaps, So let's say they
did want to go to Mars. How could they have
pulled it off?
Speaker 2: Well, you have to think about the technology they had
back then.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: The US had the Saturn V rocket, powerful rocket, incredibly powerful,
capable of launching heavy loads into space. The Soviets, on
the other hand, they were ahead in life support.
Speaker 1: System, right, the stuff you need to keep people live
in space for a long time.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, So maybe they each had some pieces of the puzzle.
Speaker 2: Right, and maybe they combine their strengths to make it happen.
Speaker 1: A secret collaboration pooling their resources and expertise.
Speaker 2: It's a possibility, isn't it it is?
Speaker 1: It's definitely a possibility.
Speaker 2: And who would they send on such a daring mission?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who would they trust? Was such a huge secret?
Speaker 2: Well, the project read some theory suggests a pretty incredible crew. Okay,
lay it on me, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin.
Speaker 1: No way, the first men on the moon yep.
Speaker 2: And to add to the intrigue, Soviet cosmonaut Vladimir.
Speaker 1: Illution whoa a joint US Soviet crew?
Speaker 2: Talk about a team for the history books?
Speaker 1: Right? That's wild? Okay, so they've got the crew, they've
got the technology, but what about the spacecraft? Ah, the
space What did they fly to Mars in.
Speaker 2: The ISV Columbus?
Speaker 1: Allegedly the ISV Columbus never heard of it.
Speaker 2: And that's the point.
Speaker 1: You weren't supposed to write top secret, black budget.
Speaker 2: All that exactly a ghost ship sailing through the Cosmos.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm with you so far. But here's the big question. Shoot,
why keep it a secret? If they really did go
to Mars, why not shout it from the rooftops?
Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question, isn't it it is?
Speaker 1: What could be so important that they keep this incredible
achievement hidden from the world.
Speaker 2: Well, that's where things get even more interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm all yours.
Speaker 2: Some proponents of the project read some theories suggest that
they found something on.
Speaker 1: Mars, found something like what you're not going to say, aliens,
are you?
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the theories out there, aliens serious.
It's a popular one, the idea that they discovered something
so extraordinary, so potentially.
Speaker 1: Disruptive, like evidence of an alien civilization, right.
Speaker 2: Or even contact with extraterrestrial life.
Speaker 1: Okay, now we're getting into science fiction territory.
Speaker 2: It does sound far fetched, I'll admit, but.
Speaker 1: It's a good story. I'll give you that.
Speaker 2: It is. What's a captivating narrative.
Speaker 1: Government's keeping alien secrets, powerful forces controlling the narrative.
Speaker 2: It plays into our fascination with the unknown, the idea
that there are truths hidden just beyond our grasp.
Speaker 1: Right, Like there's this whole other world operating in the shadow.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got this intriguing theory, But what about
the evidence?
Speaker 2: Ah? Yes, the evidence.
Speaker 1: Is there anything to back up these claims?
Speaker 2: There are photos, videos, even eyewitness accounts.
Speaker 1: Okay, now we're talking. Let's dive into that.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's start with the photos.
Speaker 1: The photos supposedly smuggled out of some secret archive, right.
Speaker 2: Showing astronauts on Mars wearing bulky spacesuits against a reddish landscape.
Speaker 1: I've seen those online. They're pretty blurry.
Speaker 2: Though, Yes, the quality is questionable.
Speaker 1: You could convince me it's a bunch of kids playing
in a sandbox.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see your point.
Speaker 1: But wait, didn't buzz Aldron say something about Mars? He
did something about a monolith on.
Speaker 2: Phobos, Yes, one of Mars's moons.
Speaker 1: Is like he was hinting at something, like he knew
more than he was letting on.
Speaker 2: That quote definitely fueled speculation.
Speaker 1: Coming from the second man on the moon, it adds
a certain weight to the misery. So we've got blurry photos,
cryptic comments from a moonwalker.
Speaker 2: And then there's the video footage.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the video. What's this story there?
Speaker 2: This footage, allegedly smuggled out of NASA archives is said
to show the launch of the ISV Columbus.
Speaker 1: Wow, hold on video footage of a secret Mars mission
from the seventies.
Speaker 2: That's the claim, But is.
Speaker 1: It even possible that something like that could have been
kept secret for so long.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what the proponents of the theory argue.
Speaker 1: That this footage was carefully guarded, only to be leaked
by brave whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: Exactly, people willing to risk everything to expose the truth.
Speaker 1: So we've got blurry photos, cryptic comments, a secret video.
This is getting pretty interesting, it is. But it's not
just about the visuals, right, There were actual people claiming
to have been involved in Project Redsin.
Speaker 2: Yes, the whistleblowers, people who.
Speaker 1: Came forward with their stories, risking their reputations, maybe even
their lives.
Speaker 2: Their accounts are some of the most intriguing and controversial
aspects of this whole saga.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm hooked. Tell me more about these whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: All right, let's start with Jackie.
Speaker 1: Jackie. Who's she?
Speaker 2: She claims to be a former NASA employee.
Speaker 1: A former NASA employee, Okay, what's her story.
Speaker 2: She called into a radio show back in the two thousands.
Speaker 1: A radio show, Bold Move it was.
Speaker 2: She claimed she witnessed live footage of astronauts walking on Mars,
live footage from when being transmitted back from the Viking Lander.
Speaker 1: Wait, Viking. But those were unmanned missions.
Speaker 2: Right, that's the official story.
Speaker 1: Yes, So what's Jackie saying?
Speaker 2: She claims that she and several colleagues saw two men
in space suits approaching the Viking Lander on a live
feed from Mars.
Speaker 1: Whoa hold on two men in spacesuits on Mars during
the Viking mission?
Speaker 2: That's what she alleges, and what happened. She says, NASA
immediately cut the feed when they realized their mistake.
Speaker 1: If that's true, that's a pretty huge cover up, it
would be. And she's not the only one, right, there's
William Rutledge too. Ah.
Speaker 2: Yes, William Rutliche his stories is even more incredible.
Speaker 1: Okay, what did he claim?
Speaker 2: He claims to have been an astronaut on not one,
but multiple missions to Mars.
Speaker 1: Multiple missions to Mars back in the seventies.
Speaker 2: That's right. He claims it was part of a covert program,
a secret space program that went beyond just exploring.
Speaker 1: So what were they doing on these missions?
Speaker 2: He says they were interacting with extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1: Beings, interacting with aliens seriously.
Speaker 2: And retrieving advanced technology.
Speaker 1: Alien technology. This is getting wild.
Speaker 2: It is a pretty elaborate story.
Speaker 1: But if it's true, why haven't we seen any of
this technology?
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Why keep it hidden from the world.
Speaker 2: It's a mystery.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we've got Jackie with the secret footage, Ruttledge
with the alien encounters.
Speaker 2: And we can't forget about Gary McKinnon.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the hacker.
Speaker 2: He claimed to have found evidence of a secret space.
Speaker 1: Fleet, a secret space fleet like Star Wars stuff.
Speaker 2: Not exactly, but he claimed to have found files and
spreadsheets where very deep within NASA and Pentagon computer systems.
Speaker 1: WHOA, So he hacked into NASA and the Pentagon.
Speaker 2: He did, and it caused a major international incident.
Speaker 1: Right, the US government tried to extrad item.
Speaker 2: It was a big deal.
Speaker 1: So what did he actually find?
Speaker 2: He claims he found evidence of a covert space program,
something beyond what the public.
Speaker 1: Knows, like a secret space fleet, maybe even space soldiers.
Speaker 2: That's the implication.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating. Even if we don't know for sure what
he found, it.
Speaker 2: Raises questions about what else might be hidden from.
Speaker 1: Us, right, What secrets are they keeping?
Speaker 2: It's a question that many people are asking.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got these whistleblowers, each with their own
piece of the puzzle, secret footage, alien encounters a hidden
space fleet.
Speaker 2: It's a captivating story, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It really is makes you wonder if there's some truth
buried beneath all the speculation.
Speaker 2: It's always that possibility.
Speaker 1: But if these claims are so explain, surely they've been investigated, right,
they have.
Speaker 2: And that's where the skeptics come in.
Speaker 1: The skeptics. Okay, so what do they say about all this?
Speaker 2: Well, they've taken a close look at the evidence and
they've found some problems. Problems like what, well, that's a
story for another time.
Speaker 1: You're killing me. All right, fine, we'll have the wait
for the next deep dive to hear what the skeptics
have to say.
Speaker 2: It'll be worth the way, I promise.
Speaker 1: I hope. So until then, keep those minds curious and
those questions coming.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, deep Divers. All right, we're back picking up
where we.
Speaker 1: Left off, right, Project Redson, all.
Speaker 2: Those tantalizing claims, the photos, the videos, the whistleblowers, the
secret mission to Mars, maybe even aliens.
Speaker 1: It's a wild story, it is. But we also said
we'd hear from this skeptics.
Speaker 2: Right the other side of the coin.
Speaker 1: The people who say hold on, not.
Speaker 2: So fast, exactly. They've taken a close look at.
Speaker 1: All the evidence, and what have they found.
Speaker 2: Well, they've raised some serious doubts.
Speaker 1: Okay, give me the details.
Speaker 2: Let's start with those photos, the ones that we're supposed
to show.
Speaker 1: Astron Mars, right, the glory ones.
Speaker 2: Exactly. The skeptics didn't just look at them with their eyes.
What do you mean, They used image analysis techniques compared
to them to other space photos.
Speaker 1: What kind of other photos?
Speaker 2: Publicly available images from NASA missions?
Speaker 1: Okay, and guess what they found a.
Speaker 2: Match many of those Project Red Sun photos. They bear
a striking resemblance to images from the Apollo missions. You're kidding, Nope,
and also to images from the Mars Reconnaissance orbiter.
Speaker 1: So they're saying that these Mars photos are actually just
they could.
Speaker 2: Be from other missions, tweaked a bit, maybe with a
Mars filter.
Speaker 1: So someone's pulling a fast one.
Speaker 2: It's a possibility.
Speaker 1: That's disappointing.
Speaker 2: It does take away some of the mystery, for sure,
but it's a good reminder context.
Speaker 1: Is everything right? When you see those photos without the story,
they don't seem so special exactly, Okay, but what about
the video that seemed harder to fake?
Speaker 2: It did, but the skeptics tackled that too. Ooh, frame
by frame analysis.
Speaker 1: Wow, they really went deep.
Speaker 2: They did, and they found some interesting similarities, similarities to
what a British mockumentary from the seventies called Alternative three.
Speaker 1: Wait, hold on a mockumentary.
Speaker 2: Yes, a fake documentary about space.
Speaker 1: You're saying they use footage from a fake documentary to
try to prove a secret Mars mission.
Speaker 2: That's what it looks like.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But how can they be sure?
Speaker 2: The scenes, the camera angles, even the lighting.
Speaker 1: It all matches up.
Speaker 2: It's pretty convincing.
Speaker 1: Wow. So that throws a wrench in the whole video
evidence thing.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 1: So we've got photos that might be from other missions,
a video that might be from a mockumentary.
Speaker 2: What about the whistleblowers?
Speaker 1: Right? What about Jackie and William Rutledge and Carrie McKinnon.
Speaker 2: The skeptics have looked into them too. Let's start with Jackie,
the former NASA employee, the.
Speaker 1: One who claimed to see astronauts on the Viking feed.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the skeptics tried to verify her story. They
couldn't find any record of her working for NASA.
Speaker 1: No employment records, no colleagues to back her up, nothing.
So maybe she made the whole thing up, It's possible,
or maybe she just wanted to believe it was true.
Speaker 2: That's another possibility.
Speaker 1: And William Rutledge, the astronaut who claimed to go to
Mars multiple times.
Speaker 2: His story has been debunked as well. How So, there's
no record of anyone named William Rutledge ever being an astronaut.
Speaker 1: No photos, no mission logs, nothing, nothing. So either he
was using a fake name or he was never an
astronaut at all.
Speaker 2: It seems likely.
Speaker 1: And Gary McKinnon backer.
Speaker 2: His case is a bit more complex.
Speaker 1: Right, he did actually hack into those systems, he admitted
to it, But did he really find evidence of a
secret space program?
Speaker 2: That's the debate.
Speaker 1: He says he did, the government says he didn't exact.
So where does that leave us.
Speaker 2: We've got these fascinating claims, but the evidence has it
held up under.
Speaker 1: Scrutiny, So what are we supposed to believe?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the challenge, isn't it. It is separating fact
from fiction.
Speaker 1: But even if it's not true, The story of Project
reds and is still pretty compelling.
Speaker 2: It is. It captures our imagination.
Speaker 1: Makes you wonder, what if?
Speaker 2: What if there are things happening that we're not being
told about?
Speaker 1: What if there are secrets being kept from us?
Speaker 2: Those are the questions that keep us searching, keep us exploring.
Speaker 1: Right, because the truth is out there somewhere.
Speaker 2: And the journey to find it is just as important
as the destination.
Speaker 1: Okay, so where do we go from here? We've heard
the claims, we've heard the debunking, We've.
Speaker 2: Looked at the evidence from both sides.
Speaker 1: Right, So what's the takeaway? Is Project Red Zone just
a bunch of hot air well, even.
Speaker 2: If the specific details are fabricated, Yeah, very idea of it.
The way it captures our imagination, it's a good story.
It is. It makes you think it speaks to something deeper.
I think, like what our anxieties, our hopes are fascination
with the unknown, the what ifs?
Speaker 1: Exactly what if they did go to Mars? What if
they did find something incredible?
Speaker 2: What if we're not alone in the universe?
Speaker 1: Right? Those are the big questions.
Speaker 2: The questions that drive us, that make us want to explore.
Speaker 1: But let's be realistic. Even if they're it was a
secret Mars mission. M they probably didn't find aliens, probably not,
but maybe just maybe they found something else.
Speaker 2: Something they didn't want the public to know about, Like
what maybe evidence of a past civilization on Mars?
Speaker 1: Okay, now that would be a game changer, it would,
But why keep it a secret?
Speaker 2: Control? Maybe control of the narrative, control of the information.
Speaker 1: You're talking about a controlled release of information exactly.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're dribbling out the truth bit by.
Speaker 1: Bit to avoid panic, to avoid chaos.
Speaker 2: Or to maintain their power.
Speaker 1: It's a conspiracy theory, I know.
Speaker 2: But it's an intriguing one, it is, and it makes
you wonder who's really in charge of space exploration these days.
Speaker 1: You're talking about private companies.
Speaker 2: Right, You're talking about private companies right.
Speaker 1: Like SpaceX, Blue Origin.
Speaker 2: Are they in on it too? Part of the grand plan?
Speaker 1: Some people believe?
Speaker 2: So that's a bit out there, don't you think?
Speaker 1: Maybe? But it's not impossible. I yes, anything's possible, And
it's important to ask these questions, to challenge the status quo.
Speaker 2: To be critical thinkers.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: So, Project Rdson fact or fiction. The jury's still out,
but it's a story that makes us think. That makes
us question, and.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. It is. It reminds us that
there's still so much we don't know about the universe,
about our place in it, about our own history.
Speaker 2: Even maybe the truth is out there, hidden in plain sight, Maybe.
Speaker 1: It's waiting to be discovered.
Speaker 2: And maybe, just maybe we're not alone after all.
Speaker 1: That's the hope, isn't it It is, so keep exploring,
keep questioning, keep those minds curious.
Speaker 2: And thanks for joining us on this deep dive. It's
been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Until next time, keep searching for the truth.