WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:05.799 Meaning a light man like this man letting butterfly flapping 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:07.440 his wan big down in the forest. 3 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.240 Man, it gonna cause the tree fold, letting five thousand 4 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:12.279 miles away. Man, nobody seen. 5 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:18.559 It, nobody else. You don't need to know. 6 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:22.039 Man, you followed another story and. 7 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.000 You got back in like that. That's win. Man go 8 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:27.000 black and dag on the panea man, Man, you don't 9 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:31.160 don't better Manny. 10 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:38.520 All right, Thomas, welcome back to the Jay Burden Show. 11 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.000 How you doing man hovering on? Well? Thanks for hosting me. 12 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:46.159 Yeah, Man, I really enjoyed our last episode, uh, digging 13 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:48.960 into the Zebra murders for all the reasons I laid 14 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.719 out last time. But we've been talking a little bit 15 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.759 about where we're gonna keep going from here over the 16 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.920 same case, and uh, I'm really excited to hear your 17 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.399 thoughts on it. So without further ado all, I'll hand 18 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:01.200 you to Flora. Thomas. 19 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:04.280 Yeah, thank you, buddy. And it's a grim subject matter, 20 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:07.480 so I want the sub should bear that in mind. 21 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.159 I don't dwell in. It grewsome details, but some of 22 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:14.959 them are materially relevant because this was a really horrible case, 23 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:18.439 you know, And uh, I mean that goes without saying, 24 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.920 but the brutality of it was part of a wider 25 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:30.040 tactical paradigm. And like we were talking about poor One Live, 26 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:38.920 this needs to be understood as essentially a political program 27 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:43.640 on the part of ni and I view the Death 28 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:49.000 Angels as not being purely schismatic. I mean, don't get 29 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:53.040 me wrong. I think there was a spontaneous aspect to 30 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:59.560 them developing this incredibly violent direct action tendency. But I 31 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.120 think the rank and file leadership of ni knew what 32 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:06.159 was going on, and they exploited that to tactical effect 33 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:10.439 or attempted, do you know. And there's too much People 34 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:13.439 have a tendency to suggest that there's not any sort 35 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:18.840 of sophistication the Black revolutionary activity, and that's not true 36 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:27.280 because there is, okay, at least within bounded parameters. And 37 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:32.159 it became clear, I believe, reading between the lines, or 38 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:36.840 it becomes clear the core of what became the Death Angels. 39 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.599 There were men who'd done time together in San Quentin 40 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.039 and that Cadres referred to as the San Quentin Mosque, 41 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:51.560 and that wasn't accidental, you know. And uh, the loft 42 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:57.000 of the Black Self Help moving company where the Death 43 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:01.439 Angels held their meetings, which became their headquarters. There were 44 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.800 a number of U n O Y ministers who would 45 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.039 address their cadre meetings who were not from that San 46 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:13.960 Quentin milew and who didn't have criminal background, you know, 47 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.280 and that wasn't accidental, you know. Like I said, I 48 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:21.759 I kind of look at this in sort of as 49 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:25.159 as a rough analogy, sort of like the relationship with 50 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:31.800 the shankle butchers to the rank and file UVF very 51 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:35.520 very much the use of serial murder as a as 52 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:41.759 a as a tension strategy and as a terroristic method, 53 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.520 you know, and there was a there, there was a 54 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:51.120 wider strategic objective of evental y than than simply to 55 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:55.039 lash out and kill white people. There was a method 56 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:57.080 to that. And you've also got to think about what 57 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.199 was going on in the era, you know, and the 58 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.680 San Francisco was kind of up for grabs politically, unlike 59 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:12.319 Los Angeles, you know, and that's why that's why California 60 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:14.879 took center stage so much in the sixties and seventies, 61 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:17.879 you know that it really was there. There was a 62 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:21.480 massive influx of capital, There's a huge movement of people, 63 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:27.319 you know, after the Second World war there, media infrastructure 64 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:32.040 was being built up there exponentially, which was changing everything. 65 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:38.639 So NY had a sense that they could capture San Francisco. 66 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:43.519 You know, it turned it into a black run city, 67 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.920 and uh that kind of become the new mecca in 68 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:52.160 lieu of Chicago, because Chicago is always a black stronghold. 69 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:56.480 But uh, Chicago's very locked down and Chicago was very 70 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:59.439 much an old school city, you know. So I mean 71 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.560 black black power base. They're well robust. It's always going 72 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:07.439 to be limited within certain parameters, especially back then, you know. 73 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:13.399 So the the idea was that these high incident felons 74 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:17.120 from San Quentin who are habituated to racial violence, because 75 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:19.439 San Quentin back then was like a powder kid, you know, 76 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:23.199 the Aryan Brotherhood came out of San Quentin, and I 77 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.439 mean the Arian brother today. I've never been to the penitentiary, 78 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:30.160 thank god. The comrades you have, especially dudes on time 79 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.040 on the West Coast. The way they've explained it to 80 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.040 me is that the Arian Brotherhood now is is a 81 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:39.759 is just a gang bang and they sling dope. But 82 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:44.639 back then they formed as a as a defensive cadre 83 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:51.319 because when the California system was integrated by force, you know, 84 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:54.079 white for the minority, and they were getting whacked on site. 85 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.560 So the Arian Brotherhood took the strongest white cons and 86 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:01.720 if you wanted to get branded, you you basically had 87 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:05.839 to waste a black person. You know. It was blood 88 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:10.480 and blood out. Okay. So these black guys in who'd 89 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.920 been doing time there, they were used to this kind 90 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:15.759 of three way race war with the Spanish and with 91 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.519 the whites, you know, so presumably that you know, they 92 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.240 were sort of perfect for forming the core of a 93 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:27.079 of a race war cadre on the street. You know. 94 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:30.800 So you've got to put yourself in the epoch as 95 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.040 to understanding the tactical mindset of these people, you know, 96 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.079 and that's important, you know, like we've talked about before, 97 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:43.279 despite the sort of narrative of the contrary and media, 98 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.920 the California is not this liberal state on the street 99 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:52.000 where everybody mixes freely. I lementitary Caagua, which is known 100 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:55.959 for you know, segregation and things. And I find there 101 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.879 to be a palpable tension in California between the races. 102 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:01.759 You know that it's it was very much ground zero 103 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:04.920 for these things. And like I said, also it was 104 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:09.319 it was summed up for grabs. What unraveled with the 105 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.000 zebra killings. I'm not being flipping about this, but one 106 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:17.000 of the things that undermined and ultimately did in this 107 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:26.079 sort of intended terroristic model of political action, a lot 108 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:29.120 of these guys were there were just psychos, or they 109 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.720 were in it because they were killed freaks, or they 110 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:36.319 were finding ways to profit, you know, basically by murdering 111 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.439 and robbing people and then telling the higher ups that 112 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.040 you know, it was these people were fair targets. And 113 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:47.560 to be clear too, it was a big prohibition that death. 114 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:52.199 Angel's rape was absolutely prohibited, as was theft, you know, 115 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:59.480 under presumably under pain of execution. But these guys started 116 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.000 doing things, you know, they started uh spontaneously, is for 117 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:07.879 raping women. They started whacking people who weren't even white 118 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:10.240 and then robbing them and saying like, oh, it's distance. 119 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:13.120 I thought he was a white man, you know. And 120 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.879 we'll get into that, but you know, and I there 121 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:22.240 there is an internal logic too, if you're trying to 122 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.720 form a direct action cadre of of of looking to prisoners, 123 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:29.800 you know, because there are people behind the wall who 124 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.360 don't belong there, and they're are political reasons, you know, 125 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.919 like the area nations used to do that. Obviously they'd 126 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.080 exclude you know, anybody who was doing that for sex 127 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:43.000 offenses was obviously categorically precluded. But the you know that 128 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:48.799 that that's a dangerous proposition in a lot of ways 129 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:51.519 because a lot of people are in prison you know, 130 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:54.720 actually do belong there. I mean, like I I don't, 131 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:56.759 I don't think kind of tentiaries aren't a good solution 132 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:58.519 to these things. But the point is a lot of 133 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.519 these people actually are with the period be and you know, 134 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:07.399 the in conditions of peace or I mean in additions 135 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.799 short of war, this becomes a problem, you know, whether 136 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:15.440 they're nations ran into that, the loyalists like the uv 137 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:17.399 F and the u d A ran into that sort 138 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:21.879 of the provos on the Fanian side, particularly the Irish 139 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.720 National Liberation Army and the i p O like that 140 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:27.279 was real problem for them because they were they were 141 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:32.120 feared on the Belfast Street, but they also were a 142 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:35.799 bunch of a bunch of kill freak bandits, you know, 143 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:40.320 and that that's you know, but what else you know, again, 144 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.720 in conditions other than warfare, what what is your litmus test? 145 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.639 And what how do you evaluate somebody's performance and then 146 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.720 in those capacities, you know, you're you're limited in how 147 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.879 you can and how you can code for those things. So, 148 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:57.480 you know, I think that that was part of it. 149 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:02.600 And also there's certain uh, there's there, you know, and 150 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:06.080 being totally objective, I don't I don't think reasonable people 151 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:09.679 would suggest otherwise when I say there's certain pathologies in 152 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:13.600 in the black community, especially up north, that that lends 153 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:17.639 itself to discipline problems. To be delicate about it, you know, 154 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:24.080 and the mentioned material I think was not the best 155 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:30.639 you know, uh and uh balls in the absence of brains, 156 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:38.840 door simplify it always leads to bad outcomes. But bringing 157 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:46.440 it back, uh, I think we I think we concluded 158 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.559 last time sort of getting into the timeline of because 159 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.039 there was two phases of the zebra killings from autumn 160 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:59.039 to from October to December seventy three, and then they 161 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.919 they jumped off again in January to about March is 162 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.039 seventy four. But the first zebra killing, the first attributed 163 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:13.000 to the Death Angels as part of this campaign. It 164 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.679 was on October twentieth, nineteen seventy three. It was an 165 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:21.039 attack on a married couple Richard and Keita hag h 166 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:26.840 Ague like the Hague. They lived on Chestnut Street in 167 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.759 the three hundred block, which was a you know, a 168 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:36.279 prosperous area. You know. Richard and Keita were on after 169 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:44.799 dinner walk through their neighborhood. Richard Haig was thirty. He 170 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.919 was some kind of engineering type who was working out 171 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.879 of a San Francisco office of a of a Utah 172 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:56.039 mining concern. And his wife was a journalist. You know, 173 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.200 they were I think he was thirty and she was 174 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.120 twenty seven or twenty eight, you know, uh, very solid 175 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.559 citizen types. You know. They're walking on Chestnut Street literally, 176 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:10.360 you know, a couple of blocks from their home, and 177 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:20.639 uh they get accosted by uh three black men, two 178 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.399 on one side of the sidewalk, a third on the 179 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.559 other side, and then their wheel man who was driving 180 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:32.480 a panel van, which uh they uh that that was 181 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.240 employed in a lot of these a lot of these murders. 182 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:36.159 It was. 183 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:42.960 It kind of became this mobile slaughterhouse. They were accosted. 184 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.519 You know, they said something like this is a robbery. 185 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:51.919 Because Richard survived with horrible injuries. You know, one of 186 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:57.320 the men drew a gun, you know, uh As Keida 187 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:01.559 tried to run the man who had the gun trained 188 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:04.240 her husband said come back up here, I'll kill him, 189 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:06.600 you know. And again at this point they thought that 190 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.320 they were just gonna be you know, robbed or whatever. 191 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:17.320 They got ordered into the back of the van, you know. 192 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:21.279 Minutes later they were tied up and restrained with twine 193 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:30.879 and uh, you know, the subjected to a brutal pistol 194 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:35.120 whipping and beating. They ended up driving to this rail 195 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:41.799 yard near the Central Basin. Richard and Keta were unloaded. 196 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:51.879 Keito was uh chopped with a machete on the neck 197 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.759 so severely that she was almost decapitated, and blessedly she 198 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:02.240 apparently she died almost instantly. Richard was beaten and hacked 199 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:06.399 with the machete, the same machete, but miraculously he survived. 200 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:16.799 Discovered later, uh, there were polaroids taken of the victims 201 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:24.960 where the faces of uh their attackers were clearly visible. 202 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:29.720 And obviously this uh, this didn't make sense at versus 203 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.279 the police, but then they realized what it, you know, 204 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:37.279 was revealed what the death Angels were. Obviously they were 205 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.120 doing what they had to do to get to get 206 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.840 credit for the for the bodies they dropped. And Larry 207 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:47.200 Craig Green he's the one who killed Keita Haig, and 208 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:51.159 he was known for being a stone called killer who 209 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.480 had just a pathological hatred of white people, you know. 210 00:14:54.919 --> 00:15:00.919 And when apparently on the ride to the to the 211 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:04.360 murder site, he'd say it like the woman's mind because 212 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:11.679 I'm getting my wings his rappi Uh. Jesse Lee Cooks 213 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.120 he'd tried to get credit for the murder Richard to Haig. 214 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.480 When it became clear that Haig survived, Cooks kind of 215 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:23.200 became he he kind of begain viewed as a weak 216 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:25.440 link by his comrades and the death of angels, you 217 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:27.360 know who didn't deliver. It's like, okay, first of all, 218 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:30.159 you know, it's it's like, you know, it's like the 219 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:32.240 rest of your rap. He's a killed women or children, 220 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:36.519 you know, showing that they they got no fucking remorse. 221 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:38.919 It's like you attacked a man. He didn't even do 222 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:44.399 the job correct. And Cookes was kind of a loose canon. Anyway, 223 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.279 he later caught it. He later caught charges because he'd 224 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.960 spontaneously just raped this woman named Karen Linder and uh, 225 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:55.919 like saying all kinds of crazy stuff to were like 226 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:57.919 he assaulted her and like held her hostage for a 227 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:02.080 couple of hours, like typical like shit bag rapo stuff, 228 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:04.799 and then uh before he let her go, I mean, 229 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:07.399 thank god, even kill her. But he inexplicitly let her go, 230 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.240 and apparently he said to her like, yeah, you know, 231 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:12.440 I know that, like I forced myself on you, but 232 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:13.960 you know we had a really good time. Like I 233 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:16.080 think maybe I'll call you and we can go out sometime, 234 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:21.600 you know, like just a total I mean, nothing funny 235 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:25.720 about this, but you know he was he was a 236 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.639 weak link. And uh after he raped for that woman, 237 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:38.240 he'd uh he'd blasted uh a cod pulling into the 238 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:44.799 college parking lot, uh, like the UFC Extension campus. I 239 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:49.279 think I'll get into the specifics in a minute, assuming 240 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:51.759 I took notes on it. But he like blasted her 241 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:56.840 and broad daylight get picked up immediately, and then you know, 242 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.440 he he gets made for coming this rape as well. 243 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:02.200 So I mean, he he was a perfect example of, 244 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:08.079 you know, uh, the kind of weak links that develop 245 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:10.960 when you know, you build a cadre out of people 246 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:16.839 you know from the prison system. But but this, this 247 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.640 this wasn't just a one off like the death Angels. Ultimately, 248 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:26.799 dozens of photographs and murder victims were discovered, you know, 249 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:32.960 and uh like uh like, like I said, this is downplayed, 250 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.640 but in the seminal book on the subject by a 251 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:43.680 guy named Clark, the books just called zebra, you know it. 252 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:47.039 Uh there there is reason to believe there were as 253 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:50.680 many as seventy or eighty victims statewide, if not as 254 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:53.680 many as one hundred and thirty, which is pretty horrifying. 255 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:04.559 But ultimately, uh, Richard Haig, uh he uh, he was 256 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:09.039 able to make his way back to the back to 257 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:15.480 the road, and ultimately a couple, John Badenberg and his 258 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:20.079 wife Beverly, they're driving westbound on twenty fifth Street, and uh, 259 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.440 they found Haig staring on the street, you know, covering 260 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:29.599 blood with the you know, his neck mutilated. It was 261 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:37.119 miraculous that he survived, and you know what, he would 262 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:40.799 have became clear that he hadn't been robbed or anything. 263 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:47.119 And when he relayed, he didn't suffer any substantial brain damage, 264 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.200 which is also miraculous. When he relayed what his attackers 265 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:55.200 were saying to each other, the police started to develop 266 00:18:55.319 --> 00:19:01.359 a picture of what what had happened, and you know this, 267 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:07.839 This is sort of when the local government, city government 268 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:13.519 went into you know, full censorious mode, fearing as they did, 269 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:17.599 that this would result in a general race wars, as 270 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:20.599 was the intention of the Death Angels and the NI 271 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:30.039 and one of the ways that this CODR was able 272 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.680 to carry on the way that it did, and also 273 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:41.519 anecdotally suggesting that there was deeper coordination and collusion between 274 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:48.519 the above board above Ground n Y and the Death Angels. 275 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:56.440 After these murders were carried out, including the murder of 276 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:04.599 Keta Haig, there was another number of there's a number 277 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:09.319 of above Ground NY congregants who lived in the Hunter's 278 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:15.559 Point section of the bay, including uh, this one woman 279 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:21.400 that uh one of the Death Angels is briefly married 280 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:26.599 do and uh they'd apparently use their house as something 281 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:29.640 of a safe house. And after the after the attacks 282 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:35.440 on Richard and Keita Hag, they sped over there. You know, 283 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:41.359 the men showered and washed off, burned their clothes, and uh, 284 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:49.440 you know, presumably presumably these civilian contacts, I don't know, 285 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:58.000 Y weren't availed two details about about these homicides, but 286 00:20:58.240 --> 00:20:59.759 you know, they also was clear that they were not 287 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:04.799 to ask questions you know, fairly sophisticated stuff, you know, 288 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:13.759 and this becomes even more sort of clear what the 289 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:22.720 organizational mechanism was here, you know, decades before the original 290 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.720 NY presence in in the Bay Area, it was mostly 291 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:31.880 guys from Texas. Interestingly where and down in Texas. They 292 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.480 really they were basically left alone. They weren't harassed by 293 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:41.440 the authorities because whatever tensions that are in Texas, people 294 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.559 who Texas is fairly tolerant of people who have unusual 295 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:50.920 religious ideas, so long as they're not you know, it's 296 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:53.319 as long as they're not not not disturbing others. 297 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:53.839 You know. 298 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.680 That's one of the reasons why the branch Davidians at 299 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.240 a home there, you know. And it was it wasn't 300 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:03.200 local UH police who who came after them, you know, 301 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:10.200 it was cowboy ATFU n FBI men who we're looking 302 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:18.440 for a raison detra to justify their domestic UH terrorism 303 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:23.640 enforcement budget. But uh, you know, point being, they but 304 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.200 there wasn't a lot of potential down there either, you know, 305 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.680 especially because black black political power rather than in a 306 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:34.279 very ghetto wise capacity. He was a non starter. So 307 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:39.119 a lot of these initially these that NI sent these 308 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.079 they called them the young Turks. They sent these guys 309 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:45.519 to the Bay area, you know, who set up the 310 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.920 first NI mosque there and who then many of whom 311 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:54.680 became sort of the conduit between NI leadership and the 312 00:22:54.799 --> 00:23:08.079 Death Angels, one of whom was one of whom was 313 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:14.079 uh and his is basically criminal tendencies that he he 314 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:18.559 couldn't see too a shoe, you know, led to the 315 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:22.880 police tying together would have otherwise been an apparently unrelated 316 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:31.880 uh set of discreet incidents. But so that shows as 317 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:47.519 how cold these guys were too. Larry Green, who when uh, 318 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:54.440 he he was the guy who he was one of 319 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.200 the he was one of the four who was UH 320 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:03.759 president when the Haiggs were hacked and when when Keita 321 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:10.359 Haig was killed, she had uh some sort of ornate 322 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.839 ring on it was a gold ring with that thing 323 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:18.599 an emerald or a sapphire embedded in it, and uh 324 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.480 one of the Death Angels apparently gave it to his fiance, 325 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:27.160 you know, uh, just as like a gift, you know, 326 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:32.200 which is really fucking ghoulish, you know, not not just 327 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:36.160 taking a trophy, but uh from a murder victim, then 328 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:40.119 you know, giving it to your girlfriend. I don't know 329 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:46.720 that that really stuck out to me. But uh, the uh, 330 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.279 the first sort of break, as it were, the first 331 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.880 indication that there was some sort of organizational pattern to 332 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:02.599 what was underway. October thirtieth was ten days ninety seventy three. 333 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.519 It was ten days after the the the attack on 334 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:10.680 the Higgs. The Oricia, California Extension campus. It was only 335 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:14.400 a block apparently from where Jesse League Cooks lived, you know, 336 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:19.119 and he's the guy who botched the murder of Richard 337 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:25.279 Haig and thus didn't get his wings. So he developed 338 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:29.319 that bright idea that you know, there's this there's this 339 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:36.119 large double gate that would allow students in and out 340 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:41.039 of the campus, you know, when they presented an ID 341 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:46.400 or whatever. So cook says he'd walk by. You know, 342 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:49.640 he decided he could he could blast a white person, 343 00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:52.880 you know, and when they were stopped at the gate 344 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:55.680 and then uh, you know, make it make a quick getaway. 345 00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:01.359 But of course, uh, you know, the the Extension campus 346 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.640 was only they didn't have a night program, so you'd 347 00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:09.119 be doing this in in in light a day, which 348 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:14.079 is exactly what he did. A lady named Francis Rose, 349 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:17.079 you know, who was an older student. I think she 350 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.880 was about thirty. You know, she was just going about 351 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:24.960 her life's business, you know, and as she's parked at 352 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:29.599 the entrance the Extension Campus parking lot, you know, Cooks 353 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:31.680 ran up and shot her in the face four times, 354 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:40.119 and me almost immediately, uh, you know, an APB goes out, 355 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.599 you know for a black man like you know, five 356 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.640 nine or whatever in an army jacket. Cooks had had 357 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.160 ditched his army jacket and he'd thrown the piece somewhere, 358 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:55.960 I think in a dumpster. But as he's uh making 359 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.519 his way back to his back to the apartment, trying 360 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:04.680 to look uh unassuming, to their credit, a couple of 361 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.640 police got like a hunch about him. And sometimes police 362 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.920 hunches are more than just a fishing expedition, you know, 363 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:18.000 and they they picked him up, and uh, you know, eventually, 364 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:23.279 uh we're able to piece together the fact that you know, 365 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.920 he was the shooter, and ultimately again he got he 366 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:31.960 got id'ed as uh the man who attacked uh Karen 367 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:44.279 uh Linder, and they were able to ultimately they were 368 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.759 able to ultimately piece together what was underway based upon 369 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:55.319 a pattern of association. And then you know, a state's 370 00:27:55.359 --> 00:28:00.559 evidence was ultimately forthcoming from uh Anthony Harre, who got 371 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:05.839 full immunity and claimed that despite being present for multiple murders, 372 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.640 he never pulled the trigger cut anybody's throat, which I 373 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:15.200 don't believe. But you know, California became notorious during this period, 374 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:22.440 not just for what was viewed as affording excessive protections 375 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:28.400 to criminal defend and under auspices of Fourth Amendment privacy 376 00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:32.119 and the sanctity they were in, but also cutting deals 377 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:41.359 with people who had, you know, really horrible culpability, and 378 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:47.960 that was viewed as a gross injustice. And that's that's 379 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.640 where a lot of these movies like The Star Chamber 380 00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:54.480 and Death Wish and stuff come from. And I don't 381 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:58.079 want to go into some sort of polemical rant, but 382 00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.759 I know you still find like maggots types like drop 383 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.119 this kind of NASA today, like we're gonna get tough 384 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.559 on crime, like basically since the since the Burger Court era. 385 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.279 You're like completely fucked. You'll end up in court like 386 00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:15.839 on a on a felony charge. But uh, there's this 387 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:20.519 own narrative of a you know, the course being soft 388 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:24.279 on on unforceable felonies. They came out of this era, 389 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:30.799 And of course Hankley, you know who shot Reagan, uh 390 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:36.480 him prevailing on an insanity defense really kind of fed 391 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:39.119 the flames of that narrative. And of course now it's 392 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.119 literally impossible to prevail on an insanity defense. And to 393 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.559 be clear, if you're prevailing an insanity defense, you're you're 394 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:46.720 basically you're basically looking not like life of up parole 395 00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.640 in a mental hospital. I mean, I that that doesn't 396 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:55.279 sound fun to me. I mean, in fact, you California now, 397 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:02.519 I I'm trying to think the name the institution a taskadero, 398 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.720 a Taskadero hospital. You know how in California there, if 399 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.319 you're if you're a determined to be a mentally disordered 400 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:16.160 sex defender, even after you serve your custodial sentence, you'll 401 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:21.279