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Speaker 3: And poles us we ended with it last time in
Speaker 3: our tribute to Sid, we have to start with it again.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry we have to do this, but we're nothing
Speaker 3: if not table setters. Here at the Lapsed Fan Wrestling
Speaker 3: Podcast and when we last left Sid, he was taking
Speaker 3: to the middle rope at the WCW SIN pay per
Speaker 3: view in January two thousand and one to bring an
Speaker 3: auspicious end to his second and of course final run
Speaker 3: in WCW and really his final run in the national spotlight.
Speaker 4: As a professional wrestler.
Speaker 3: It's the night he snaps his leg in half, and
Speaker 3: it's the subject of our latest chapter and our meandering,
Speaker 3: yet appropriate tribute to Sid.
Speaker 4: I mean, you gotta understand, if you haven't seen this
Speaker 4: horrific footage, it's not like he it's not like he
Speaker 4: killed his knee, and like the joint is where he
Speaker 4: broke it, like he snapped his bone in half, Like
Speaker 4: his shin bone is snapped in half, like it dangles
Speaker 4: right like you know, it's one thing again, it's one
Speaker 4: thing to like, not that this is good, but to
Speaker 4: kind of like break the joint. You know the joint's bad,
Speaker 4: but to actually break the bone, to do something where
Speaker 4: your bone is splintered off.
Speaker 3: Splintered is the word.
Speaker 4: It's just it's it's it's awful.
Speaker 3: So many jagged edges, oh, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, just I can't even imagine. I don't want to
Speaker 4: imagine I don't want to know. I don't want to
Speaker 4: know what that feels like.
Speaker 3: Ever, it's it's sad, but it's also it's also very Sid.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about it that we're gonna watch it
Speaker 3: again because we need to put ourselves in this frame
Speaker 3: of mind, because we're about to take the deepest dive
Speaker 3: you'll find into the circumstances surrounding this injury that essentially
Speaker 3: ended Sid's wrestling career, and and just the follow up
Speaker 3: and the aftermath is also as you can imagine boss
Speaker 3: as Sid as it gets, I would imagine, So are
Speaker 3: you ready and no, So for those at home, we're
Speaker 3: toggled to the video, which is available on YouTube. Sid
Speaker 3: breaks his leg it starts. This is from the Nitro
Speaker 3: after Sin because, as we've pointed out, on the live
Speaker 3: pay per view, you don't really see the angle that
Speaker 3: illustrates most clearly how bad this injury was. They had
Speaker 3: to show an alternate angle that they had but didn't
Speaker 3: show in the live broadcast the next night on Moudday Nitro.
Speaker 3: So we start with WCW Nitro announcers Tony Shiavanni and
Speaker 3: Scott Hudson at the ringside desk explaining that a mystery
Speaker 3: partner had just run in to a four way match
Speaker 3: for Sid's world title when this went down, and then
Speaker 3: we see the injury. So we're going to hit play
Speaker 3: at the same time. Here on both sides, give me
Speaker 3: one second, three to one play.
Speaker 4: While we were watching the mystery opponent come in.
Speaker 7: Now Sid Vicious up on top a look at this,
Speaker 7: Look at.
Speaker 4: The left foot. That is so difficult. No, we've seen
Speaker 4: it a hurdle, another angle already, so many still, just
Speaker 4: so why do they do that? Why?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 8: Why?
Speaker 7: Obviously the compound fracture of the tibia and the fibula
Speaker 7: last night this morning underwent two hours of surgery. He
Speaker 7: had a forty three inch centimeter steel rotted sorted.
Speaker 8: Into the bone.
Speaker 4: He is still in Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis. You'll be
Speaker 4: out the good part of a year a long time.
Speaker 4: We certainly wish sambitious. Well, and uh, are they fucking
Speaker 4: idiots when they say that, Like do they are? Are
Speaker 4: they trying to be like optimistic or something? Because like
Speaker 4: you just say, he's done, his career is over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what makes me a year any more likely than
Speaker 3: five years?
Speaker 4: Because like you know, when you see it, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've certainly heard awful injuries, muscles being ripped off,
Speaker 4: the bone, bones being broken, you know, all sorts of shit.
Speaker 4: But that's that is a that is a bone destroyed.
Speaker 4: That is a bone destroyed.
Speaker 3: It is absolutely one of the worst bone breaks ever
Speaker 3: in wrestling. It it really is one of the most
Speaker 3: I hesitated, say worst injuries ever in wrestling because people
Speaker 3: have died as a result of trumpet suffered in the
Speaker 3: rest At.
Speaker 4: Least, I'll tell you this, I'd say maybe worst shown
Speaker 4: on television. Yeah, you know, like at least my mainstream
Speaker 4: known because I would imagine that there are certainly there
Speaker 4: have been deaths, but how many of deaths have been
Speaker 4: featured on a television broadcast outside of Owen Hart, Right,
Speaker 4: that's true too, And death is and death is a
Speaker 4: it's not an injury, you know, that's a whole different thing.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you put in a different category, then this
Speaker 3: is certainly one of the most horrific injuries to happen
Speaker 3: in a wrestling ring. And I ask you, boss, if
Speaker 3: you were sitting on that angle that we just saw
Speaker 3: with Sid's foot dangling below the knee, the boot twisted
Speaker 3: like a string of spaghetti. Okay, slanted ARCD like a
Speaker 3: string of spaghetti. Yes, do you show it on Nitro
Speaker 3: the next night? Do you resist the temptation? Or do
Speaker 3: you make sure people deal with it and see it?
Speaker 4: I mean, apparently not. Apparently you need to do it.
Speaker 4: Apparently the temptation is is is so incredibly palpable that
Speaker 4: you must show it. So that's need then, Yes, it's need,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's need.
Speaker 3: I wonder if Nitro is winning the ratings war still
Speaker 3: in January twenty oh one.
Speaker 4: If they show that, I mean, is that what they
Speaker 4: were going for? I really don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, they have to explain where Sid's going and
Speaker 3: why their champion's gone. But it ends in the most
Speaker 3: said way possible. It's just so amazing that this guy,
Speaker 3: in the calling cards he had in the ring in
Speaker 3: terms of his work style, ends up in this position
Speaker 3: and this happens, and he would rue the day and
Speaker 3: we're going to get into all of it because you
Speaker 3: heard me mention that mystery man that ran in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to know who that was.
Speaker 3: It was Animal, right, yes, and whose brother was essentially
Speaker 3: running WCW from a booking and finished booking perspective. At
Speaker 3: this point in time, the diamals, Yes, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 3: He's fucking back and it's all too appropriate in Acid Journey, Johnny,
Speaker 3: you gotta finish in mind for tonight before your bro
Speaker 3: runs in.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I was thinking, I was thinking, you know,
Speaker 5: I actually, uh, I didn't know how to finish the match.
Speaker 5: So I called Vince up in New York. I said, hey,
Speaker 5: how'd you finish this match?
Speaker 4: They're like you called who I called? I called the Boss?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's k fabe still, Johnny. We still got
Speaker 3: a couple of months before we announced that whole back
Speaker 3: to back door angling.
Speaker 5: Oh well, you know, I called a friend, a friend
Speaker 5: I got working up North, and he said, you know,
Speaker 5: he said, you know, I think the best finished, Pal,
Speaker 5: the best finish you could come up with is have
Speaker 5: Sid jump off the middle rope.
Speaker 3: When you say finished, Johnny, do you mean to the
Speaker 3: match or to my career? What precisely?
Speaker 9: Huh?
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm just saying that's what I was.
Speaker 5: That was suggested, and I put it through my you know,
Speaker 5: I started putting the gears into play and I said,
Speaker 5: all right, the gears said Sid jump it off hoom.
Speaker 3: I win, and for reasons I'm afraid to say, we'll
Speaker 3: probably remain a mystery forever. John Laurie Nightis thought the
Speaker 3: recipe to set up the run in by the mystery
Speaker 3: Man in this match was to have Sid, for essentially
Speaker 3: the first time in his life, come off the middle
Speaker 3: rope with a kick or a flying knee. Essentially was
Speaker 3: his idea of something mega impactful that Sid could do
Speaker 3: to Scott Steiner to justify everybody being laid out, something
Speaker 3: that would blow Scott Steiner out of the stratasus.
Speaker 4: Stupid fucking move.
Speaker 3: I mean, there is no way that Sid could execute
Speaker 3: this that it achieves whatever effect Johnny had in mind.
Speaker 3: I keep going back to, you know, maybe in All Japan,
Speaker 3: right where they did such a wonderful job getting over
Speaker 3: things that are otherwise kind of pedestrian moves like a
Speaker 3: Larry in All Japan.
Speaker 4: Is maybe in maybe in No Japan, I think that
Speaker 4: this is a good idea.
Speaker 3: Right or they could get over the idea that a
Speaker 3: knee could knock you out, whereas an American pro wrestling
Speaker 3: a knee knocking you out, especially in two thousand and
Speaker 3: one before the rise of UFC and stuff. It's just
Speaker 3: a laughing stock joke. Yeah yeah, and over there, you know,
Speaker 3: you can build up a flying knee. We saw Ken
Speaker 3: to do it, and then we saw Daniel Brian Brian
Speaker 3: Danielson adopt the busieau knee. It's the same thing. It's
Speaker 3: a running knee of the head and there's no reason
Speaker 3: that you're hurt any more than a running kick, but
Speaker 3: it does. And that's the only thing I can think of.
Speaker 3: Because remember and listeners of our Bash at the Beach
Speaker 3: two thousand coverage especially, we'll recall this as well as
Speaker 3: some of our coverage at the last Nitro. John Laurynidis
Speaker 3: was essentially headed the book because WCW was in such
Speaker 3: dire straits. It was such a fucking mess. You had
Speaker 3: Russo going home, You had Bischoff with absolutely no interest
Speaker 3: in carrying on from there. You had basically a rudderless ships.
Speaker 3: So you had Bischoff, who kind of on paper had
Speaker 3: some responsibilities to the product. Bring in Johnny lory Nitis
Speaker 3: as a finished guy. Bischeff always talked about how he
Speaker 3: never really felt great about booking finishes, and Johnny lory
Speaker 3: Nitis was well art. It is an assistant Booker to
Speaker 3: a giant Baba as somebody that really knew how to
Speaker 3: put together a dramatic finish in All Japan at a
Speaker 3: time when WCW thought that part of the recipe of
Speaker 3: perhaps turning their perception around was to have more clean
Speaker 3: and decisive finishes to their matches. Of course a worthy exercise,
Speaker 3: but what ends up happening is John Lawrenitis basically ends
Speaker 3: up being Bitschoff and Hogan by proxies emissary at these shows,
Speaker 3: carrying out their will without them not necessarily having to
Speaker 3: be there in person. Remember it, as John Laurynidis was
Speaker 3: going back and forth on the phone with Hull Coogan
Speaker 3: about the Bash of the Beach two thousand finish with
Speaker 3: Vince Russeau as well, Laurie Anditis ends up being the
Speaker 3: intermediary between those two, and it's being basically treated as
Speaker 3: the boss. He's the guy who kind of chaperones around
Speaker 3: ww personnel. On the final nitro when the conquerors show
Speaker 3: up and it's Johnny Lori Nitis they turned to to
Speaker 3: figure out how everything works, Who's who, what's what, How
Speaker 3: we get our way around w CB Television, How the
Speaker 3: production meetings run all of that stuff, and in the
Speaker 3: table for three they did with Shane and Johnny and
Speaker 3: Bruce Prichard, Shane gave Johnny a ton of credits that
Speaker 3: basically got him hired because they were impressed with how
Speaker 3: how level headed Johnny loriniis was and holding their hand
Speaker 3: through everything that had to be done logistically at that
Speaker 3: final WCW show. So you got to John Laurynidis, who's like,
Speaker 3: he's got a lot of power at this point because
Speaker 3: nobody else wants it. Nobody else wants to be the
Speaker 3: person everyone turns to to figure out what are we
Speaker 3: going to do for a finish on this show, And
Speaker 3: so he's basically the person that pushes this and he
Speaker 3: would become sort of like the whipping boy for Sid
Speaker 3: when he would look back on this fateful and horrible
Speaker 3: night for him in subsequent interviews and everything else that's
Speaker 3: been said and written about this, this horrendous episode that
Speaker 3: brought Sid's in ring career to an end for all
Speaker 3: intents and purposes. So this is twenty oh one, and here,
Speaker 3: just a little while after the injury, this is Sid
Speaker 3: holding court on what had happened. One of the first
Speaker 3: times I think he talked about it in a shoot
Speaker 3: interview format or a video.
Speaker 9: So Johnny had been asking me to do that Stohn
Speaker 9: lauryn eight for some time, and no, they knew I
Speaker 9: couldn't even promote Belton, you know. So I said, I
Speaker 9: don't feel comfortable even jumping off a rope right now,
Speaker 9: even to give an axe handle, and I just don't
Speaker 9: want to do it. And so the night of the
Speaker 9: pay per view in Indianapolis, he had written into the
Speaker 9: script and why it was so important because once I
Speaker 9: did that, then they were going to pan back to
Speaker 9: the mystery partner, who we know wasn't going to be
Speaker 9: on my side.
Speaker 8: We know the finish was his brother.
Speaker 9: And then as they come back, I think at that
Speaker 9: point they were supposed to have me down and getting
Speaker 9: their heat on me, he was just showed up and
Speaker 9: then not saved the day or whatever the case was.
Speaker 9: I just, you know, I could have the only thing
Speaker 9: I'd say I could have. You know, I even at
Speaker 9: one point that evening and said, hey, man, I don't
Speaker 9: I want just changes. I don't want to do it,
Speaker 9: and yeah, no. For several years, man, it was a
Speaker 9: big regret for me. I'm telling you something you're talking
Speaker 9: about six fucking years of rehab to get where I'm
Speaker 9: at today.
Speaker 8: It never a day of it didn't go back for me.
Speaker 9: I think about Dan wow lot animosity and not towards
Speaker 9: Johnny Really to myself, nothing against Johnny. Johnny's not a
Speaker 9: genius either, as he got a good mind for the business.
Speaker 9: But me jumping off giving Scott skyner Steiners and needed
Speaker 9: the head. That's not gonna fucking use my language, not
Speaker 9: do anything other than getting hurt. And I wasn't going
Speaker 9: to make that big of a deal. That's what you
Speaker 9: really bothered me about. The old thing in the hospital
Speaker 9: that night. I never saw I never looked at it,
Speaker 9: never seen the clip, never want to. Those doctors looked
Speaker 9: at me, and I was telling I could tell by
Speaker 9: their eyes something was wrong. Even when I went home
Speaker 9: and started doing my referral work, I didn't really know
Speaker 9: more about this injury to really believe.
Speaker 8: It or not. That horse Barbara, Yes, all right.
Speaker 9: What happens is when you have a compound factor that
Speaker 9: far away, there's no muscle tissue. So it's the hardest
Speaker 9: way for anything to rehab. And that's why it was
Speaker 9: so hard, and that's why it's such a long process.
Speaker 9: I was never predicted to walk for run again. Wow,
Speaker 9: I'm doing all that now. So that's why I'm a
Speaker 9: little biting at the bit now because now I'm ready
Speaker 9: and I'm ready to get back and I want to
Speaker 9: finish my career.
Speaker 8: Not being carted out on a stretcher.
Speaker 3: Didn't happen, of course, but that would just be the
Speaker 3: refrain of his until the day he died, essentially, And
Speaker 3: I mean, my god, the part of the leg with
Speaker 3: hardly any muscle, oh right through the skin doesn't infuriate
Speaker 3: you to hear him talk about how he was reticent
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean he like to me, this is
Speaker 4: attitude era one on one. Here is people being forced
Speaker 4: to do shit they didn't want to do and tragedy ensuing.
Speaker 3: You do have to wonder if, like Sid's career law reputation,
Speaker 3: is someone that could just be a pain in the
Speaker 3: ass for the sake of being a pain in the
Speaker 3: ass at random intervals, just to see if he could
Speaker 3: maybe get a little time off or get a raise.
Speaker 3: You do have to wonder if that factored in too,
Speaker 3: how hard they pushed back at his resistance to doing
Speaker 3: this spot or his stated resistance to doing this spot,
Speaker 3: you know, just of course Sid doesn't want to do it,
Speaker 3: so you know what, who's the boss. I can see
Speaker 3: that kind of coming up and being in the saw.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody would ever admit to that. But
Speaker 3: I do wonder if it wasn't Sid, and it was
Speaker 3: somebody that didn't have the reputation he did, if they
Speaker 3: pushed back against doing this spot, if if it would
Speaker 3: have been taken to the mat as aggressively as it was.
Speaker 3: Just truly lovely? Though, isn't it that he says it
Speaker 3: was in the script.
Speaker 4: And he did he did say that that was pretty great.
Speaker 3: I mean, what did the script say? Was it a
Speaker 3: bullet point?
Speaker 4: What did it say? What it did it say? Sid
Speaker 4: leaps off with his with one leg extended kind an
Speaker 4: attempt to land on on a the other leg and
Speaker 4: it bends in half. Well, here in the meeting that
Speaker 4: brings us to the main event. And wanted to talk
Speaker 4: a little bit about how we should format this, Johnny,
Speaker 4: from what I understand, you had an idea where Sid
Speaker 4: comes off the rope with a kick. How should we
Speaker 4: phrase this so it's clear at all parties on the night.
Speaker 3: What after a great start, a should we phrase it.
Speaker 3: I want to be able to, you know, put a
Speaker 3: helpful shorthand here so that we remember what it is.
Speaker 3: Everyone can tell, even if they can't catch up to
Speaker 3: you that night, what it is Sid supposed to do?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: I you know again, I was told by my friend
Speaker 5: that he needs to jump off the middle rope in
Speaker 5: a kick formation and land on one leg.
Speaker 3: So so you want me to actually write in here
Speaker 3: he has to land on one leg? Why is that Germanic?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 4: Why is that? Nessas?
Speaker 3: Can you just can we just write here?
Speaker 4: O't know, but it's just what my guy said.
Speaker 3: Have you ever considered, with all the respect, Johnny, that
Speaker 3: this guy whoever it is you might be referring to,
Speaker 3: might not have your or Sid's best interest at heart?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean he's always had my best interest, you know,
Speaker 5: he's he's probably one of the most brilliant minds in
Speaker 5: this business. Okay, and uh and uh, you know he
Speaker 5: said he's got it, that said it has to do this,
Speaker 5: he has to do it.
Speaker 3: And he said, well, he said, I'm just riding here
Speaker 3: in my laptop. He said to Wright that he lands
Speaker 3: on one leg.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely guaranteed. Fast forward.
Speaker 3: Uh, Eighteen hours later, Sin backstage in Indianapolis. Yes, said,
Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell you, man. They just
Speaker 3: they really want you to land on one leg. I
Speaker 3: don't know why that part of it's so important, but
Speaker 3: it's a yeah. They We talked about it really longer
Speaker 3: than I expected to.
Speaker 4: At the production media. Let me ask you, if you
Speaker 4: look in my eye right now, I'm looking. I want
Speaker 4: you to look deep in my eyes right now, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna ask you one question, because I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 4: right now, I do not I'm number one. I'm not
Speaker 4: obligated to jump ever.
Speaker 3: Is that in your contract ever?
Speaker 4: It's in the country I have in my mind.
Speaker 3: Wow, and that's binding.
Speaker 4: What I want. I want to ask you a question now.
Speaker 4: You look. It's real simple, It is real simple. Describe
Speaker 4: to me right now what it is that they want
Speaker 4: me to do.
Speaker 3: Well that they said that you should go to the
Speaker 3: middle rope, jump off, hit Scott Steiner with a big kick,
Speaker 3: and that's supposed to knock him out. And they were
Speaker 3: specific about this in landing. They want you to land
Speaker 3: on one leg, not to land in your butt or
Speaker 3: flat back or anything like that. They want you to
Speaker 3: land on one leg with the other one extended like
Speaker 3: a kick line, almost kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Now, once you look at me, didn't the eye? And
Speaker 4: will you tell me the god honest truth. I want
Speaker 4: you to swear. I want you to swear on the
Speaker 4: entire business of Vienna Sausages. Is that in the script?
Speaker 4: It's in the script.
Speaker 3: We talked at length and every last word was hashed over,
Speaker 3: and what you see there in the script said is
Speaker 3: what we came to final wording.
Speaker 4: Now, I don't need to read the script, okay, but
Speaker 4: if I'm taking your word that that is what is
Speaker 4: in the script, then I'll do it, because this is
Speaker 4: a script in business. If it wasn't in the script
Speaker 4: and just some loose idea, I wouldn't do it. But
Speaker 4: if his or written down in ink unerasable ink, but
Speaker 4: I can't change, I can't wide out. Is it tapped out? Yes?
Speaker 4: It is shit? He goes shit. I thought I had
Speaker 4: an out there. What song did I send you on
Speaker 4: your birthday?
Speaker 8: Actually?
Speaker 3: No tapos, no type of the word for word.
Speaker 4: I jump off the middle rope.
Speaker 3: Yes, one leg, Yes, this his makeshare was written in
Speaker 3: the top script. Yes, make sure everybody has in sure
Speaker 3: sid lands on one leg it's right here.
Speaker 4: I'll do it.
Speaker 3: Who knew all this time that all you had to
Speaker 3: do was memorialize a document? Because he's thinking like a lawyer,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's like, fuck, if it's
Speaker 3: written down, then I can't have my way characterizing it
Speaker 3: after the fact, right, which is where I thrive. So
Speaker 3: so a sad set state of affairs. And that these
Speaker 3: guys who who couldn't, who couldn't draw ten cents if
Speaker 3: they were dipped in glue and run through Fort Knox
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one are running around writing scripts
Speaker 3: for each other and trying to be a fucking professionalized
Speaker 3: TV show is utterly hilarious, first of all, and and
Speaker 3: just just simp matic of so many things that were
Speaker 3: wrong with WCW at the time. I mean, he doesn't,
Speaker 3: he doesn't in gene shorts, for Christ's sakes, you know,
Speaker 3: the fucking fraud, the indignity of this thing for Sid
Speaker 3: that it ends like this, it's just horrible. He mentioned Barbara.
Speaker 3: Did you catch that reference there in that clip?
Speaker 4: No? I didn't.
Speaker 3: That's a horse that was running in a high level race.
Speaker 3: I don't know a lot about horse racing, but it
Speaker 3: was it tragically snapped its leg, and it was like
Speaker 3: winning the race and it was supposed to take home
Speaker 3: all the gold and whatever the fuck is supposed to be,
Speaker 3: like this huge favorite to win the highest stakes horse
Speaker 3: race and the leg just snapped, and it was like
Speaker 3: a huge tragedy because you know, when that happens to
Speaker 3: a horse, you know what you got to do to
Speaker 3: the horse. You know, it's not like right, everybody knows
Speaker 3: what the inevitability is at that point. There's no way
Speaker 3: to really rehab a horse back to health when they
Speaker 3: suffer an injury like that, So you're basically watching the
Speaker 3: death of the horse. And for Sid, according to what
Speaker 3: he said there, until that happened and all the publicity
Speaker 3: around it, he never really even bothered to to lean
Speaker 3: in and understand the physics of what happened to his
Speaker 3: leg on that night, which we'll get into and of
Speaker 3: course as much detail as you could hope for here
Speaker 3: in our talf tribute to Sid. But needless to say,
Speaker 3: it took a lot more than just that comp pound
Speaker 3: fracture and trauma to bring Sid to an untimely end.
Speaker 3: It would take a cancer and just a whole lot
Speaker 3: of other things, because as he referenced there he did
Speaker 3: not stop being an absolute workout and rehab maniac when
Speaker 3: this happened. There were some dark days, but before you
Speaker 3: know it, you better believe Sid was back, you know,
Speaker 3: running the bleachers and just he's not there, not the
Speaker 3: guy to tell you can't walk again. And we can
Speaker 3: say that in his favor. And so there is there
Speaker 3: is more to learn about Sid and what happened here
Speaker 3: than just, you know, the purient element of looking in
Speaker 3: in this grizzly injury. So it's it's a key part
Speaker 3: of Sid's story and it's sort of our penultimate stop
Speaker 3: on the road to paying appropriate tribute to Sid, who
Speaker 3: of course passed away in August of this year due
Speaker 3: to complications from cancer.
Speaker 4: At the age of sixty three.
Speaker 3: So before we get to that, we do want to
Speaker 3: wish everyone in the Solar system a happy holiday season. Indeed,
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any turning back. Now the turkey
Speaker 3: has been put away, mostly in the sewage system.
Speaker 4: Or in your belly. There are some leftovers.
Speaker 3: We talked about it for those lucky enough to join
Speaker 3: us for the Survivor Series live call that we did
Speaker 3: on Patreon.
Speaker 4: We talked a lot about it.
Speaker 3: But for the benefit of those listening here in the
Speaker 3: main feed that didn't catch that or don't have access,
Speaker 3: it was another successful Thanksgiving around here. In particular, anyone
Speaker 3: who follows our ex account knows the boss really hit
Speaker 3: home at Home Run the morning after the sandwich lived
Speaker 3: up to expectations once again.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck yeah. I mean it was glorious. It was
Speaker 4: It went down like a brick as it's supposed to,
Speaker 4: and it was just it's what the holidays are all about. Right,
Speaker 4: So that's all I can say. Some pushback in the
Speaker 4: may some pushback on the Mayo what you always say.
Speaker 4: I saw that. Listen a little bit, right, you know,
Speaker 4: Mayo whatever. But I stand by the Mayo because it
Speaker 4: adds a kind of a savory, kind of counterbalance to
Speaker 4: the the cranberry sauce. Yep. And it is fucking money,
Speaker 4: that's right. If you if you haven't tried it, you fail.
Speaker 4: And you know, if you try it and you don't
Speaker 4: like it, you also fail. You're wrong. Yeah, you're wrong, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, you've had it. You've had it exactly the
Speaker 4: way that I make it.
Speaker 3: I have, and it's scrumptious. I mean, we literally recorded
Speaker 3: my moaning the sound of my moaning voice in my
Speaker 3: kitchen as it went down, and I won't soon forget it.
Speaker 3: And when I make my own I do the same thing.
Speaker 3: I apply Mayo, maybe a little more generously even than
Speaker 3: you do, because to me, turkey, roast beef, those are
Speaker 3: two things that have to be paired with with Mayo.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I agree, I agree. I don't understand sand of
Speaker 4: those fucking meats and a sandwich context of course, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: You put gravy on it, which I don't do, which
Speaker 3: I think is interesting.
Speaker 4: I think the gravy, the gravy adds again, it adds
Speaker 4: a richness to it. And it's I'll tell you, it
Speaker 4: really is what what I find to be for me.
Speaker 4: What what makes it so incredible is just how the
Speaker 4: the tangy sweetness of the cranberry sauce kind of just
Speaker 4: blends and creates it just enhances everything everything in there,
Speaker 4: you know, like it without the cranberry sauce, that's going
Speaker 4: to send gravy and and mao, it would be way
Speaker 4: too rich. It would be way too rich, and I'd
Speaker 4: want to throw up.
Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't work. It's like turkey of course,
Speaker 3: is the base of the whole thing. But honestly, cranberry
Speaker 3: sauce is the most important ingredient it is.
Speaker 4: It really is. The cranery sauce is what makes it is,
Speaker 4: what makes it shine amazing, because it just adds that again,
Speaker 4: it just adds us this this brightness to it to
Speaker 4: an otherwise a fucking brick of a sandwich. So maybe
Speaker 4: I'm listening why it's not like we're eating healthy here.
Speaker 4: It's a fucking brick.
Speaker 3: Oh, of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go in like accepting that this is not
Speaker 3: a day that you can mark in the column of
Speaker 3: extending my life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you want you don't let me tell you this.
Speaker 4: You don't want to mark this down in your diet journal,
Speaker 4: all right? You want to kind of say, oh, you
Speaker 4: know what, I forgot to mark everything down. I don't
Speaker 4: I remember what I ate that.
Speaker 3: This is a day to be absent minded about those inputs.
Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe for our friends and non Thanksgiving celebrating countries,
Speaker 3: they can take this advice up over the holidays, because
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a lot of Christmas turkey served. Of course,
Speaker 3: I'm sure a little leftovers that.
Speaker 4: Have to be Yeah, listen, you know, listen, here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. It's it's highlighted on on on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4: But let me tell you, Yeah, I happen to be
Speaker 4: you know, like currently I am in possession of another turkey.
Speaker 4: We got our neighbors. So our neighbors got an extra
Speaker 4: frozen turkey from their workplace. Yea, And they said, hey,
Speaker 4: do you want a turkey. I'm like, yeah, I always
Speaker 4: want a turkey. Let's do it. I might as well
Speaker 4: fucking collect frozen turkey. All right, gladly, what are you
Speaker 4: going to do with it? And I'm gonna wait for
Speaker 4: you know what. This is a this is a post
Speaker 4: holidays turkey dinner waiting to happen. Love it all right.
Speaker 4: This is sometime when you kind of in the really
Speaker 4: really shit months of of like mid to late January,
Speaker 4: early February, where where the cult where you've completely forgotten
Speaker 4: any joy you got from the holidays. That's right, because
Speaker 4: you know here, you know, this is the real tragic
Speaker 4: thing is that nobody really thinks that about the fact
Speaker 4: that Christmas comes at the very beginning of winter. You know,
Speaker 4: we all you know your mind goes to the fact that, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, we hit December. It's winter. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no no no. Winter starts December twenty first. Remember that.
Speaker 4: And then three days later you're celebrating Christmas Eve. All Right,
Speaker 4: it's just the very fucking beginning of Christmas and you've
Speaker 4: got three months left of fucking winter. Be miserable.
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing that always sticks with me is that,
Speaker 3: you know, it's not just that it's that Christmas couldn't
Speaker 3: be further away in January exactly. It's not too it's
Speaker 3: not coming back for so long that you you almost
Speaker 3: feel like, as joyful as it was, you rush to
Speaker 3: forget that it was Christmas.
Speaker 8: Yep.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you share that feeling. It's like
Speaker 3: it's like I can't no, no, no, like I can't
Speaker 3: let the things linger around. How long it's going to
Speaker 3: be again until I feel at rest like that? Yep,
Speaker 3: until I feel you know, abundance like that.
Speaker 4: And so it's times like that where a frozen turkey
Speaker 4: comes in extremely handy.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's going to be a huge January night when
Speaker 3: that comes out of the oven. Yep, yep, way what
Speaker 3: a way to fight back. Yeah, that's just that's it.
Speaker 3: You gotta you have to.
Speaker 4: You have to rage against the dying of the light.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, otherwise you're just gonna suffer. I wonder if you
Speaker 3: could do the Thanksgiving sandwich with a goose.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, I'm I'm I've I've never
Speaker 4: actually had goose before. It's like, it's like muck, I'm not,
Speaker 4: I'm not too. Yeah. Like I like duck, I like duck.
Speaker 4: I don't love duck.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I love duck with cranberry sauce.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I love duck with cranberry sauce.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I've never gone that far. I
Speaker 4: don't think I wouldn't, but I'm just saying I haven't it.
Speaker 3: Well, that means the seasons upon us. And if you've
Speaker 3: been minding your p's and q's and watching the main feed,
Speaker 3: you do know by now that the twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: t LF Christmas Show is underway, You motherfucker, you fucking bitch,
Speaker 3: It's underway. The unwrapping three, the abundance of the solar
Speaker 3: system stuffing our po box to a degree heretofore never
Speaker 3: seen and your co chairs are going to systematically go
Speaker 3: through the hall, package by parcel by package by parcel
Speaker 3: around the fire, and it's going to be just knowing
Speaker 3: what's in the can A very special holiday here in
Speaker 3: celebration of TLFX. It is a TLFX miss and we
Speaker 3: need to once again remind ourselves as much as anybody
Speaker 3: else that we have the best listeners in podcasting. And
Speaker 3: every year our Christmas Show lays bare the proof points
Speaker 3: that anyone who might bock it what I just said
Speaker 3: can't really buck anymore after they see the kinds of
Speaker 3: creativity and thoughtfulness.
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you I love bragging about it absolutely,
Speaker 4: so one of the few things I love bragging about,
Speaker 4: like people absolutely you know, I was telling I was
Speaker 4: telling family members about it all all throughout Thanksgiving. They're like,
Speaker 4: you know, I said, oh, you know, when we have
Speaker 4: our you know, what are you guys doing next? You know,
Speaker 4: what's what's kind of up on the you know, what
Speaker 4: are you what are you guys going to be recording
Speaker 4: about are talking about? And I said, well, actually, you
Speaker 4: know what we got planing out over the entire month
Speaker 4: of December is our Christmas Show. They well, what do
Speaker 4: you do What do you mean the whole month of Christmas?
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, we we get gifts. What do you
Speaker 4: mean you get gifts? Well, people send us presents and
Speaker 4: gifts in the mail and we open them on the air,
Speaker 4: so to speak. And you know, we put out individual
Speaker 4: shows and they're just like, they can't believe that that
Speaker 4: people send us gifts, and I'm like, well, because.
Speaker 3: We deserve it, right, Because everything we say, what about
Speaker 3: the problem, everything we say about this podcast resonating and
Speaker 3: meaning something to people is fucking true. Yes, And if
Speaker 3: you can't grasp it, I understand because people don't get wrestling.
Speaker 3: But we're over here making sure that folks that are
Speaker 3: lost in the wilderness because of the things that a
Speaker 3: lifetime of wrestling fandom do to you aren't lost for
Speaker 3: very long, and that they have a place to go
Speaker 3: and to share and to have joy, and at the
Speaker 3: same time not fall in to the incredibly dangerous trap
Speaker 3: of turning to the actual entering wrestling product to provide
Speaker 3: you joy, but rather sitting at a safe distance from it.
Speaker 3: Well at the same time scratching the itch, because if
Speaker 3: you don't scratch the itch, it's even worse and that's
Speaker 3: what we're doing here, and we're giving voice too well
Speaker 3: a lapsed fan. It's what we've been doing for ten
Speaker 3: years running now, yep. And yeah, yeah, it always is
Speaker 3: a joy to watch people go from really about wrestling
Speaker 3: to wow, you make money, to they hit they have
Speaker 3: a Christmas show. There are people out Yes, there are
Speaker 3: people out there. And just because my friend, you can't
Speaker 3: find anybody out there that would pay a dime to
Speaker 3: hear you talk, doesn't mean that your CoA chairs have
Speaker 3: that problem. Doesn't mean that your co chairs have that
Speaker 3: fucking problem. Not this year, not any year, TLFX style.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we definitely want to send another round of
Speaker 3: hearty thanks in terms of what's to come parcel by parcel,
Speaker 3: we hope you join us and that'll brightened your holiday
Speaker 3: a little bit because they're very enjoyable. Gifts to a
Speaker 3: wrestling fan, to the kind of wrestling fan that would
Speaker 3: listen to this show.
Speaker 2: A lap fan.
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
Speaker 1: their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan
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Speaker 3: M JP Sorrow keep your ears locked throughout the month
Speaker 3: of December. We're going to hang a few more ornaments
Speaker 3: on that tree as well, including the conclusion of the
Speaker 3: of the Sid Tribute. All kinds of scheming going on
Speaker 3: around what's next and under the cinemat. Over at patreon
Speaker 3: dot com, Slash The Lapsed Fan, our executive producer Tier
Speaker 3: and The Mote Tear both get access to JP's amazing
Speaker 3: series about great films and lots of great films that
Speaker 3: have wrestling connections. We just wrapped True the Bond Journey
Speaker 3: on Black Friday. How poetic was that? Considering as some
Speaker 3: folks pointed out that I think that film dropped on
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving No Time to Die, well it uh it or
Speaker 3: it's played at Thanksgiving huh or it's played at Thanksgiving
Speaker 3: all the time? Something about it?
Speaker 4: Well they were know what they were talking about is
Speaker 4: that Thanksgiving weekend or something like that they do the BBC.
Speaker 4: I guess they do a Bond Marathon or something like that,
Speaker 4: and that you know, listen, that is all. That's all serendipity.
Speaker 4: You know, it was gonna, like I said, there was
Speaker 4: always gonna be a pause in between the main uh uh,
Speaker 4: you know Bond series and then the Daniel Craig uh section.
Speaker 4: But the the idea that it actually happened to go
Speaker 4: around scary movie season and then and then Thanksgiving was
Speaker 4: just it just happened to happen to be that way.
Speaker 4: So I was glad that it did because I also,
Speaker 4: you know that that's the for me too. I actually
Speaker 4: always think of of Bond as being, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: Bond being in November, because that's when I remember seeing
Speaker 4: the Pierce Bras and stuff. You know, it was always
Speaker 4: around between November and December. That's when I saw them.
Speaker 4: So it always felt like an end of the year,
Speaker 4: you know, It's one of those ends of the year franchise.
Speaker 4: It's not a summer franchise for me.
Speaker 8: And yeah, I.
Speaker 4: It felt it felt right. It felt right to sign
Speaker 4: off on that one. It was wonderful to me.
Speaker 3: As somebody that really hadn't watched a single Bond film
Speaker 3: from beginning to end before we started this journey, and
Speaker 3: now coming out the other side, I feel so enriched
Speaker 3: about such a vital part of the history of cinema.
Speaker 3: So many different things you can learn about that, the
Speaker 3: turns and culture of the turns and entertainment, the turns
Speaker 3: in the movie business just just just a character studies
Speaker 3: alone and going from you know, the earliest bonds, you know,
Speaker 3: in terms of who got the nod and who was
Speaker 3: who is who was occupying the role. I mean to
Speaker 3: go as we did, from Connery two more to Brosnan
Speaker 3: to a lot in between. Yep, even the laysan By
Speaker 3: installation and of course Daniel Craig. It's just it's just
Speaker 3: been absolutely fascinating. And I think that that's, uh, that's
Speaker 3: some shelf life right there sitting behind the paywall for
Speaker 3: those appropriately resourced to indulge. That would be a binge
Speaker 3: worthy thing to do over the holiday break and just
Speaker 3: take it by, you know, And.
Speaker 4: I would hope so I would hope that that one
Speaker 4: would last. That was really a a like a a
Speaker 4: something I really wanted to do for a long time,
Speaker 4: and I'd held off on on you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: Goldfinger has been in on the list obviously since day one,
Speaker 4: and I was always itching to do it. But then
Speaker 4: when I started to see like, wait a minute, you know,
Speaker 4: well wait about this, Peter my Va one, hold on,
Speaker 4: Peter my Va is in this one, and then you
Speaker 4: know you kind of like start seeing that there are
Speaker 4: wrestlers and other ones and then well, how many are
Speaker 4: we talking about here? And then you start really digging in,
Speaker 4: and who's this pat roach? It just keeps going and
Speaker 4: growing and growing and growing, and you know, hopefully, you know,
Speaker 4: I know I got some I got some flak for
Speaker 4: not doing the entire franchise just because it just doesn't
Speaker 4: sit right with me. But you know, now we got
Speaker 4: a little you know, when the time comes and we
Speaker 4: can have we have five more that are waiting for
Speaker 4: us at some point, and we can get all those
Speaker 4: together and we can find some sort of of of
Speaker 4: of connection. I'm all about it. I want I do
Speaker 4: want to close it off. I do want to to
Speaker 4: to really put a put a put a real stamp
Speaker 4: on it and have every single film.
Speaker 3: Done, done and dusted, and yes, so a lot to
Speaker 3: look forward to. We turned the page to Christmas Movie Season,
Speaker 3: which is really where it all started, under the cinemat
Speaker 3: with Santa with Muscles.
Speaker 4: Sand with Muscles and that whole, that whole first four,
Speaker 4: the first four films were all you know, we did
Speaker 4: jingle all the way as well, and uh, Santa's Sleigh
Speaker 4: and die Hard were our first, uh our inaugural Christmas
Speaker 4: movie season and uh, you know we're we're picking it up.
Speaker 4: I'm very excited we got. I'm not going to say
Speaker 4: what we got, but what we got is going to
Speaker 4: be oneer full. Really, Yes, I.
Speaker 3: Mean we've done Home Alone one, We've done Home Alone two.
Speaker 3: We've done we have done Home Alone too. Yet well
Speaker 3: we did the that's right, we did the radio dram
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 4: I mean, but it is, you know, it is on
Speaker 4: the list. I think we know why.
Speaker 3: Sadly we did, and I did.
Speaker 4: We did.
Speaker 3: It's wonderful life.
Speaker 4: We did.
Speaker 3: And we've done so many Landmark Christmas pictures. We did
Speaker 3: the one with the Misz.
Speaker 4: Yes, we two with the Miss. So what awaits us?
Speaker 4: I can only begin. I mean I did hint at
Speaker 4: it before, and I don't mind hinting out of it again.
Speaker 4: So I do Miss. I do miss those really garbage
Speaker 4: Miss Christmas movies for ABC Family. And you know, I'm
Speaker 4: fortunate we were able to find something else in that vein,
Speaker 4: not with the Miz. But I think it's gonna be
Speaker 4: equally just fun, bad garbage.
Speaker 3: You can bet it's a movie where a wrestler in
Speaker 3: a pea coat takes somebody to look for trees.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least not in the la landscape that miss
Speaker 4: was doing in.
Speaker 3: The spirit of the season. So Christmas movie Season under
Speaker 3: the Cinemat another great time to peek under the hood there.
Speaker 3: If you've been wondering if now's the time, Now is
Speaker 3: the time. I'm even being told and I don't know
Speaker 3: a lot about this, that you can even gift Patreon subscriptions. Now,
Speaker 3: Patreon doesn't million hfer things every month, so look into that.
Speaker 4: That's cool.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they make it pretty intuitive if that's something
Speaker 3: you want to give someone for the holidays. I'm sure
Speaker 3: it's like a time limited subscription to our Patreon content.
Speaker 3: Of course, executive bdu sercured above get you under the cinemat.
Speaker 3: The mote tear, of course, is the exclusive circle for
Speaker 3: our rider dies. Those who say, you know what, I'm
Speaker 3: going to pay more than I get this is more
Speaker 3: than transactional. What's going on here for ten straight years?
Speaker 3: They'd be right about that, And as always be salute
Speaker 3: the real true core benefactors to the mission, and they've
Speaker 3: been in receipt of a NonStop assault of wrestle Mamia
Speaker 3: and those who have heard of the TLF Christmas shows thus.
Speaker 4: Far that have been unveiled.
Speaker 3: Know that Mama Sorrow graced us, to say the very least,
Speaker 3: with her presence as we opened each and every Christmas
Speaker 3: package and offered commentary that even in our wildest dreams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, it is. It is truly,
Speaker 4: I mean, and the beauty of it is is that
Speaker 4: nobody knew when they were writing the shit they were writing,
Speaker 4: or gifting the gifts that they were giving, that Mama
Speaker 4: Sara would be. I mean, we didn't even really know
Speaker 4: that Mama Sara was going to be, you know, in
Speaker 4: house at the time. But you get a little you
Speaker 4: get a little sneak peak as to what you know,
Speaker 4: wrestle Mamia is all about, and in that regards to
Speaker 4: you know, coming up, what I like to do in December,
Speaker 4: like what I do in the week leading up to WrestleMania,
Speaker 4: is I like to do starkate matches with my mom
Speaker 4: for the month of December, of course until Christmas. And
Speaker 4: by this time, I believe, yes, you they will have
Speaker 4: seen an epic starcate encounter where when Hulk Hogan faced
Speaker 4: off with Beefcake Butcher.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a fucking top five starkate match, absolutely so
Speaker 3: looking look forward to her commentary. There is you reflex
Speaker 3: on remembering British beefcake. I'd imagine from your golden days
Speaker 3: and uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I you know, it's been a while since
Speaker 4: we recorded it, but I would imagine that I talked
Speaker 4: about the whole relationship and you know, talked about how
Speaker 4: you know, he and Hogan were best friends and how
Speaker 4: he turned on him.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you were quick to confirm that he's in
Speaker 3: fact still alive, which is one of her favorite questions.
Speaker 4: Oh, it is one of the best questions. And now
Speaker 4: is he alive? Is he still alive? Now?
Speaker 3: It depends what depends what you mean, Mom, I mean,
Speaker 3: I just saw the dark side on him, and yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean he kind of looks it, I suppose, but it's
Speaker 4: not a guarantee.
Speaker 3: Truly amazing stuff and the least we can do for
Speaker 3: that high level support. And let me just say, in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, as we enter our second decade, we've
Speaker 3: got some ideas for the Moat tier to show are
Speaker 3: more appreciation than even we currently do. So this is
Speaker 3: probably the time to start seriously considering it, because we've
Speaker 3: got some things that we're going to unload.
Speaker 4: I think on folks.
Speaker 3: That is going to create a bit of a frenzy,
Speaker 3: bit of a scramble. Let's just say, yep, a bit
Speaker 3: of a scarcity value coming your fucking way. That's all
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say. What isn't scarce is the true volume
Speaker 3: of selection available to lapsed fans this Christmas season, both
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Speaker 3: to buy for the lapsed fan in your life, to
Speaker 3: put on a gift list. If you are that lapsed
Speaker 3: fan and we're hearing from wives. We're hearing from wives.
Speaker 3: They want cameos, yes they do. They want shirts. They
Speaker 3: want it all, they want it all, and I'm here
Speaker 3: to give it to them.
Speaker 4: There are there are two lapsed Wife shirts for those
Speaker 4: who have the balls to give the give their wife
Speaker 4: the gift that they definitely don't want, right you know,
Speaker 4: they hate that you listen to our show to begin with,
Speaker 4: and they're gonna hate that you bought them a t
Speaker 4: shirt that supports it. They're not even funny. Why are
Speaker 4: you laughing? Why are you laughing? This isn't funny. That's
Speaker 4: the best thing.
Speaker 3: Or like the homie Zach observed when his wife walked
Speaker 3: in the room and he asked for a ball water,
Speaker 3: You're not always going to get a reaction you hope for, okay, and.
Speaker 4: Actually mostly not going to get a reaction that you
Speaker 4: hope for.
Speaker 3: Hey, as a wrestling fan, you're trained to know how
Speaker 3: to deal with that, and you know, countenance it, not
Speaker 3: let it ruin your day.
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, you know. And we've got obviously the SID
Speaker 4: line is is is just fucking up and roaring about.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, obviously we've got Vienna's, We've Got's softball teams,
Speaker 4: we've got udi Mania running wild. We've also got Santa
Speaker 4: Monica sid so fucking I'm a fan of that one.
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of that one.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: And if you if, if if you want to keep
Speaker 4: your Carnies Are Forever tour continuing to you can also
Speaker 4: get the Carne's Are Forever shirt. We do have some,
Speaker 4: you know, some some under the cinemat schwag as well. Also,
Speaker 4: you got your Christmas themed ones. You know, you can
Speaker 4: go old school if you want, which the Fritz one.
Speaker 4: You know, we have the Fritz Santa Claus one. We
Speaker 4: got the Bruno Santa Claus one. And then we've also
Speaker 4: got the the ones that I've made that are inspired
Speaker 4: by classic uh uh you know Christmas movies. We got
Speaker 4: the Laps fan in Home Alone style. We've got Laps
Speaker 4: fan like Charlie Brown, we got laps fan like Night
Speaker 4: remember before Christmas, laps fan like Elf like Christmas story,
Speaker 4: die Hard Scrooged, There's a whole fucking you know series
Speaker 4: of that, So get to it.
Speaker 3: Well, well they are, I mean, orders are starting to
Speaker 3: come in. Shout out to Alexander who sprung for the
Speaker 3: Sids Vienna's shirt.
Speaker 4: We appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Always great to see those come across the transom. And
Speaker 3: then folks like Paul who's just so you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna go core message here.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with you it used to be
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Speaker 3: wear into twenty twenty five. So we've got all kinds
Speaker 3: of stuff and if you want to up the game
Speaker 3: in terms of above that T shirt level of schwag.
Speaker 3: Chop Teas is the store as the unbelievable work that's
Speaker 3: being done over there on number half truly humbling, as
Speaker 3: we are offering high level premium apparel with lapsed logos
Speaker 3: plastered all over it and some original artwork and concepts
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Speaker 4: I mean, you really want to celebrate fucking TLFX, you go,
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Speaker 4: that's been denied for forever. But there you can get it.
Speaker 4: You can get it. It is there for your consumption.
Speaker 3: That's exactly correct. So Dicky making sure that tlf fans
Speaker 3: are appropriately sated over at the chop Tea store. This
Speaker 3: holiday season cameo is wide open. Folks are starting to
Speaker 3: request things in the holiday spirit. Oh indeed, lovely one
Speaker 3: just came across from a wife trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what the hell this guy's talking about with Vianna sausages.
Speaker 4: So what a moment that really, that really was just
Speaker 4: something so incredible to me when reading that, and it's
Speaker 4: like something about Vienna sausages. I don't just say like no,
Speaker 4: and you shouldn't understand.
Speaker 3: Can you say things for my husband's birthday?
Speaker 4: Please? Right, just say weird shit that he wants. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is you do. I don't
Speaker 4: want to know what it is you do. Just say shit.
Speaker 3: Bless them, yes, bless their pure hearts. If only they
Speaker 3: knew the realities we uncover and the conclusions were left
Speaker 3: to reach. Ignorance is bliss.
Speaker 4: Okay, indeed, that's what we're.
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Speaker 4: Won't we bust? Absolutely always so much.
Speaker 3: Great stuff, so much stuff to keep track of, and
Speaker 3: if you want to get some letters in a Santa's
Speaker 3: mail bag, that thing is really filling up. It's been
Speaker 3: a while since we've sat down with your missives. Something
Speaker 3: tells me that might be an order upon the conclusion
Speaker 3: of this SID tribute.
Speaker 4: I would imagine that's ye, that's the case, for sure.
Speaker 3: It's always it's very much in the spirit of the
Speaker 3: Christmas unwrapping shows. Also sit down and open some some letters.
Speaker 3: So many great Solar System members send letters in fact
Speaker 3: with their Christmas packages, and you'll be hearing those yes,
Speaker 3: as it unfolds over twenty five days. But the Lapsed
Speaker 3: fan at gmail dot com for anything on your mind,
Speaker 3: any feedback you may have, particularly as we wrap up
Speaker 3: this tribute to Sid. You talked about serendipity, and one
Speaker 3: of the things is when a giant like a Terry
Speaker 3: Funk or even a Sid dies, there's always wide open space.
Speaker 3: In terms of our agenda on the pod. They always
Speaker 3: seem to, you know what I mean, pass away in
Speaker 3: times like you know what, we can just keep going
Speaker 3: until we feel the subject is covered.
Speaker 8: Yep.
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen in the middle of a journey, you know,
Speaker 3: which is very very very much to our advantage. And
Speaker 3: we'll be going to interesting places, boss, from what I understand.
Speaker 3: I saw a tweet from Sean Ross Sap just earlier today.
Speaker 3: If you go to Peacock right now and go to
Speaker 3: the raw archives, it has been labeled thirty days until expiration.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean what does this mean? I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess besides that it used to be better, of course.
Speaker 8: I mean.
Speaker 4: That we're going to have to, uh, you know, fucking
Speaker 4: get that Netflix going.
Speaker 3: I mean, what if they don't put all the braws
Speaker 3: on Netflix. No one said they will.
Speaker 4: That's true, that is true. No one said they will.
Speaker 4: You know that the the archive I would imagine that
Speaker 4: then the archive would stay on Pickcock. No so all,
Speaker 4: so they're not allowed to have any raw, any any
Speaker 4: archival raw on Pickock. That's what that expiration date tells me.
Speaker 4: They when they moved NXT to c W off USA network,
Speaker 4: they took all of the NXT archive, with the exception
Speaker 4: of the pay per views which are on Peacock. But
Speaker 4: the shows that run usay, they took that and moved
Speaker 4: it over so that it's like CW on demand and
Speaker 4: it's not available on Peacock anymore. Wow, what a shit show?
Speaker 4: You now? What are we doing? What a bunch of
Speaker 4: fucking idiots like you know, this.
Speaker 3: Whole thing started ten years ago when they launched the
Speaker 3: network and brought the archives to the table, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, these podcasts were created to leverage that,
Speaker 3: not to mention ours. As they talked about the lapsed
Speaker 3: fan We're like, okay, well we'll put a fucking definition
Speaker 3: on that, thank you very much. Who's looking for this content?
Speaker 3: And I don't think we've asked ourselves over ten years,
Speaker 3: because we've had access, do we deserve access to the archives?
Speaker 3: I don't think we've spent enough time wondering that.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what. Maybe you know, do we
Speaker 4: deserve access? Maybe not, But I'll tell you what you know.
Speaker 4: I'll claim access, yes, all right, and if I need to,
Speaker 4: I'll fucking get my own apps.
Speaker 3: I'll claim access is exactly right, not a fucking problem.
Speaker 3: Because when you cast is hard, and it's faithfully and
Speaker 3: at the high level we have for ten years, you
Speaker 3: tend to build up resources, don't you.
Speaker 4: You're damn fucking right.
Speaker 3: You tend to have people who have just as much
Speaker 3: on the line as you do as hosts and creators
Speaker 3: and perpetuating and seeing this thing through and filling those
Speaker 3: gaps and providing that helping hand when those who would
Speaker 3: seek to withhold their booty and their treasure seek to
Speaker 3: keep things behind their respective ironclad doors, that you know,
Speaker 3: all you do is call upon the TLF solar system
Speaker 3: to get that much more resourceful. We went through this
Speaker 3: when they migrated from the traditional network to Peacock, and
Speaker 3: then there were things lost in that battle. There were
Speaker 3: things that didn't make it across the transom yep. And
Speaker 3: as the network ticks away with just a month left
Speaker 3: to exist, you know, goodbye to all of those hidden gems,
Speaker 3: goodbye to anything that wasn't transferred from the old network
Speaker 3: to Peacock.
Speaker 4: I know, it's so true. I mean, we again, we're fortunate.
Speaker 8: I do have.
Speaker 4: So much from from all these from from from the
Speaker 4: previous network that you know, were gifted to us, and
Speaker 4: you know, and now that's going away altogether. The whole
Speaker 4: fucking thing, you know, the old network is dead. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why we did this. That or at
Speaker 3: least that's what that was. The missing piece. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was access to that. I was like, Okay, we can
Speaker 3: go forever. It's there. It's sitting there, and we didn't
Speaker 3: take for granted it would always be there. But it's
Speaker 3: kind of like, who the fuck would you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. At the time in twenty fourteen, every sort
Speaker 3: of brand and league was thinking, we'll create our own
Speaker 3: over the top streaming service so our super fans can
Speaker 3: have access to everything that doesn't already you know, licensed
Speaker 3: elsewhere right here. That's everybody was doing. Remember, it was
Speaker 3: a battle to collect as many content hours as you could.
Speaker 3: Remember that.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: The streaming services were competing with each other on the
Speaker 3: basis of how many hours there were. There were when
Speaker 3: Disney made all those acquisitions like twenty centry Fox and
Speaker 3: all those assets, it's like, oh, we just added eighty
Speaker 3: thousand hours.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, say two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, therefore we are differentiated. And now it's
Speaker 3: just like now they're just fucking selling it all piecemeal.
Speaker 3: No one gives a fuck. Archives on one streaming service
Speaker 3: one year or another of the next completely disappeared, the
Speaker 3: next available for three ninety nine to pop next, right whatever. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 3: If they really meant business and they went all in
Speaker 3: on making that vault available and easy to navigate and
Speaker 3: easy to find. If you did charge a couple bucks
Speaker 3: for each thing, I mean, we wouldn't love it, but
Speaker 3: it's the best way for them to see that this
Speaker 3: is easy money. This is this stupid model of like
Speaker 3: ten dollars for everything. Yeah, it never was going to work,
Speaker 3: and I would love for it to have worked. Trust me,
Speaker 3: that's a great price point. And the network never changed
Speaker 3: its pricing, which is amazing. You know what I mean,
Speaker 3: it's not gonna work. So if you have to charge
Speaker 3: all the cart whatever, But hopefully the next iteration of
Speaker 3: this idea of the wrestling archive is one that actually
Speaker 3: proves once and for all to these bottom line miscreants
Speaker 3: that this is just the easiest money you can make
Speaker 3: in any entertainment vertical that exists, because no one's gonna
Speaker 3: buy a single episode of Saturday Night Live, Okay, but
Speaker 3: there were hundreds of thousands of people that might rent,
Speaker 3: you know, a back because we went to the fucking
Speaker 3: video store and we did it for years, and we
Speaker 3: did it with Hunger, and this is the closest we
Speaker 3: can get to replicating that. Say what you will about
Speaker 3: the special interest section, but that was a big fucking section. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a big section for a reason, because this is something that,
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, people want to rent again and again
Speaker 3: and again, and new converts to the sport want to
Speaker 3: go back and rent again and again and again to
Speaker 3: get to go deeper and deeper, to broaden their knowledge
Speaker 3: and see what it used to be.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: That's where we're here. So I'm I'm reticent about what's
Speaker 3: to come on that front, but I'm hopeful too that
Speaker 3: maybe a model will emerge where finally you can be like,
Speaker 3: all right, fine, like stop fleeing, stop fucking dangling this
Speaker 3: carrot like there's no more concept of a monthly subscription
Speaker 3: fee for the whole library, but it will make it
Speaker 3: available in some other way and then that'll be like,
Speaker 3: all right, well, this is revenue that we'd have to
Speaker 3: lose if we took it away. We'll see one can dream.
Speaker 3: But over on Patreon we'll be charting the evolution over
Speaker 3: to the Netflix because not only we'll be covering the
Speaker 3: Saturday night's main event in live call format. But boss,
Speaker 3: I think you're up for it, right, we'll do the
Speaker 3: first raw on Netflix?
Speaker 4: Why not? Yeah, I'm done with that. You know, see
Speaker 4: what's see what's doing over there, See what it tastes like.
Speaker 3: You know, they've been doing two hour raws in this
Speaker 3: lame duck period again after so many years of three
Speaker 3: hour raws, and it's been lovely. But you better believe
Speaker 3: they're going back to three hours on Netflix.
Speaker 4: Because that's that's what everyone wants, a fucking pay per
Speaker 4: view every Monday. And guess what happens when RA goes
Speaker 4: to three hours in January, SmackDown goes to eight hours,
Speaker 4: Smackdow goes to three hours as well. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: I mean what the fans don't want it? I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, listen, you know there was a
Speaker 4: time I would have fucking begged for six hours of
Speaker 4: wrestling every week. Yep, begged for it. Not now, not anymore,
Speaker 4: like not even close market, not even close.
Speaker 3: Say all you will about AW and you know, the
Speaker 3: loss of code lost c inpunk. Just what do you
Speaker 3: want to point at is things that that shifted their
Speaker 3: fortunes around drastically. I'm looking around. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: is anyone going to talk about the fact that you
Speaker 3: can only see two hours of AW every week in
Speaker 3: the most successful early years of their existence? Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that that was like you had to be there and
Speaker 3: that was your diet for the week of AW. And
Speaker 3: then they brought a rampage and they brought a collision,
Speaker 3: and then they expanded their pay per views from four
Speaker 3: to six to I think eight now a year. It's like, yeah, guys,
Speaker 3: like that's kind of what happens. Like each show is
Speaker 3: going to have less punch if you're not asked to
Speaker 3: really savor every calorie because you don't get that much content.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's very simple, but you can't. You know,
Speaker 3: that's not how TV works. TVC something that catches, and
Speaker 3: they just well, let's see how how quickly we can
Speaker 3: you basically rape this thing until it's bereft of life.
Speaker 3: But we at least can spread that audience out over
Speaker 3: as many quarter hours as possible throughout the week and
Speaker 3: perhaps justify what we're charging to advertise against that audience. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And of course wrestling fans always losing that because then
Speaker 3: they're stuck having to watch everything, because you can't have
Speaker 3: an opinion about wrestling if you don't watch every last
Speaker 3: minute of it.
Speaker 4: Oh, of course not no, no, no, not at all. No, no,
Speaker 4: no no.
Speaker 3: And so we wonder why wrestling fans are such fucking
Speaker 3: miserable fucks. It's because they have no choice but to
Speaker 3: sacrifice thirty hours of their week to wrestling if they
Speaker 3: want to talk about it and be fans of it
Speaker 3: and not be dunked on all the time.
Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 1: knows the boys need their candy.
Speaker 2: It's the Lapsed Fan.
Speaker 1: He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio
Speaker 1: and JP Sooro.
Speaker 3: It's great stuff, is what I'm trying to say. Boss,
Speaker 3: It's great stuff.
Speaker 4: And in that Vein.
Speaker 3: We turned back to our friend Sid. He's on the
Speaker 3: mend and according to some things he said and shooting interviews.
Speaker 3: Even one month after the surgery that he underwent as
Speaker 3: a result of his injury at Sin in January of
Speaker 3: two thousand and one, he was in the gym on
Speaker 3: a walker, doing power cleans on one leg, trying to
Speaker 3: get back into shape. Because, as we talked about then,
Speaker 3: we've talked about this beyond Sid, haven't we be bigger, faster,
Speaker 3: stronger When you get to look like Sid looks you
Speaker 3: have no identity if you don't look.
Speaker 8: Like that.
Speaker 4: Exactly, I mean, that's exactly it. I mean, it's a
Speaker 4: sad state of affairs, but it's the truth. You know,
Speaker 4: you cannot nor will you be able to succeed on
Speaker 4: any level if you don't have the look. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: look is all The look, is it? The look is
Speaker 4: the only thing that makes you matter.
Speaker 3: Well, the only thing you can say that makes you
Speaker 3: feel better than the next guy is you get up
Speaker 3: at four to go to the gym instead of five.
Speaker 3: If you suffer an injury that takes you out of
Speaker 3: the gym, stay the fuck away from that guy.
Speaker 4: That's my suggestion. Okay, that's my suggestion.
Speaker 3: The downside is so much more pronounced than the upside
Speaker 3: when you go down this path. We've established this over
Speaker 3: the years. And for Sid, somebody who, as we've talked about,
Speaker 3: prided himself on two a day's in a business where
Speaker 3: even one to day is hard to get in from
Speaker 3: a gym perspective, but he was just a maniac about
Speaker 3: finding gyms in every city he went to, getting the
Speaker 3: morning workout and maybe even the afternoon workout in running
Speaker 3: like crazy up the bleachers at the local football stadium.
Speaker 3: He was also a big endurance guy too. Of course,
Speaker 3: he had all kinds of heart problems. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just so fucking sad when people who just kill themselves
Speaker 3: doing what we're told keeps us in shape end of
Speaker 3: dropping dead harder than people who don't do shit. And
Speaker 3: I know a lot of those people die prematurely as well.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's there's any kind of secret.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, like it's funny because it's the
Speaker 4: extremes are where you're getting yourself into trouble, right and.
Speaker 3: And you're in extreme territory so much faster than you
Speaker 3: think these days, because like you show a little bit
Speaker 3: of interest in working out, and then the Facebook feed.
Speaker 4: Is like, what the fuck is with you? Let's go harder,
Speaker 4: like drink this, ship your brains out.
Speaker 3: You're not lean. If I have to see one more
Speaker 3: picture of a guy looking like RFK with white hair
Speaker 3: and like a tanned, jacked body, I'm gonna fucking I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna throw on the towel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you should. I mean, listen, listen. They
Speaker 4: probably they probably had their bodies surgically enhanced to look
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't It's not a red flag by now
Speaker 3: as opposed to something worth reaching for.
Speaker 4: I guess not.
Speaker 3: But we're just gonna keep going down this path, even
Speaker 3: the even triple H.
Speaker 4: You know, look at that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know whether where the heart at
Speaker 3: Tech came from, but I can take a guess. I
Speaker 3: can take a guess. Yeah, And he's back, He's back
Speaker 3: on the ground, you know what I mean, trying to
Speaker 3: flex his biceps as much as he can. It's just
Speaker 3: it's just a life you sign up for.
Speaker 4: It's just like exactly.
Speaker 3: And so for sid, if he can't walk, that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean he can't fucking rip that upper body you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean his one leg, but you could hear
Speaker 3: in that interview clip we played kind of the desperation
Speaker 3: in his voice to get across the idea that he's
Speaker 3: back again, that he's you know, that he's in shape again,
Speaker 3: that he's he's you know, but he stopped making it
Speaker 3: sadder than it has to be.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? And that's not true.
Speaker 4: Actually he's making it sadder than it has to be.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, stop making it sadder that it
Speaker 3: has to be.
Speaker 4: Like he said, he stopped making it sadder than it
Speaker 4: has like. No, actually he's continuing.
Speaker 3: Continuing to really you know, you know, only able to
Speaker 3: put seven pounds of pressure on the leg. Ah huh,
Speaker 3: what do you want? I mean, sure, that's normal, and
Speaker 3: he's out there just like so mad about that that
Speaker 3: he's running into that wall every day, testing that limit
Speaker 3: pretty much every day. To hear him put it at
Speaker 3: least now, remember he's doing this shoot interview, as he
Speaker 3: said there about six years after the injury, so he's
Speaker 3: really trying to get the idea out through this shoot
Speaker 3: interview that he's available again and able to perform at
Speaker 3: a high level, which I don't think is the case, honestly,
Speaker 3: because we did see him in a handful of indie
Speaker 3: appearances after this injury, and the limitations were I think
Speaker 3: very apparent. All the credit in the world to him
Speaker 3: to get back into an ability to walk around. But
Speaker 3: as we'll talk about later, he got a little bit
Speaker 3: more candid as the years went and one of his
Speaker 3: feet was like too short, one of his legs was
Speaker 3: like too short, and it would just throw everything off.
Speaker 3: He just he wasn't gonna be able to work again.
Speaker 3: But no, he's going. He's testing the limits right out
Speaker 3: of the gate right away. Says, you know, running into
Speaker 3: that wall every day, it was tough. I ran through
Speaker 3: that wall eventually, and it really got sad for me,
Speaker 3: he said. It really got sad for me. Says, I
Speaker 3: was running. I got a hellover in Memphis, one hundred
Speaker 3: and ten yards up pretty steep angle. I run to
Speaker 3: the top of it, I spit and I step on it.
Speaker 3: Because to him, when he does that, he's stepping on
Speaker 3: somebody who told him he couldn't climb that mountain. That
Speaker 3: that's how That's what makes said tick. That's what makes
Speaker 3: said tick is thinking of somebody who doubts him or
Speaker 3: pisses him off, and carrying forward. So that's what I
Speaker 3: think in my mind, that's what makes me get up
Speaker 3: that hill another time. And I can run bleachers for
Speaker 3: sixty minutes NonStop. I'm in such shape, it's phenomenal. And again,
Speaker 3: this is the things he's saying after the injury and
Speaker 3: getting back out there. Here's a bit more context and
Speaker 3: color around that from the same shoot interview.
Speaker 8: Man, I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 4: I had to.
Speaker 9: It really put a strain on everything in my life
Speaker 9: because at first I didn't I was hitting the ball,
Speaker 9: but it wasn't effectively. I said, Okay, I don't know
Speaker 9: what I'm doing. The dogs weren't really giving me a
Speaker 9: lot of telling me what was going on either. One
Speaker 9: doctor final teming and he said, you're not gonna really
Speaker 9: walk again.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 9: From that point on it was it was pretty scary.
Speaker 9: So I had to work harder hard I would want.
Speaker 9: I'd work out in the morning that I go to
Speaker 9: rehab for three and a half to four hours a
Speaker 9: day every day.
Speaker 8: For years.
Speaker 9: I did this so depression. I never dealt with depression
Speaker 9: before I had to deal with that. You know, I
Speaker 9: didn't even know I was dealing with depression. You know,
Speaker 9: I never you know, I don't have anything to be
Speaker 9: depressed about. It's one of those things you don't even
Speaker 9: realize it's hitting it till it's too late. Caused me
Speaker 9: a lot of problems.
Speaker 8: With my family. You know.
Speaker 9: I'm just now able to get make up to my
Speaker 9: family the things out of the way I was acting.
Speaker 9: And I didn't even know why I was acting like that.
Speaker 9: I had to go through a you know, anger management
Speaker 9: course because I was so angry at the whole world.
Speaker 9: I wouldn't blame anybody for anything, but boy, I would
Speaker 9: just you know, And I use anger as a tool
Speaker 9: for me to to succeed sometimes.
Speaker 8: I whatever's going on, I'm gonna work.
Speaker 9: I'm damn man, I'm gonna work out three times today
Speaker 9: and I'm gonna run bleachers twice, so that would push
Speaker 9: me and making me do better. This time, anger didn't
Speaker 9: work for me. It just made a hole deeper and deeper.
Speaker 3: Wow, Jesus, that'll show him. I work out harder. Oh, fuck, said,
Speaker 3: have mercy, Have mercy on us. You're gonna work out harder.
Speaker 3: How will we ever get back at you?
Speaker 4: My God?
Speaker 3: That that guy that gut really kind of dark for
Speaker 3: a second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you look, he's he's, he's, he's he's
Speaker 4: a mess. I mean, I'm also, how can you not
Speaker 4: be a mess after that? You make a stupid mistake
Speaker 4: like that, but like doing a move like that and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you can't you lose your entire livelihood.
Speaker 4: You should be depressed. Yeah, yeah, you have miserable.
Speaker 3: You have excuse to, you know, you definitely have a
Speaker 3: license to at that point, for sure, it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: you you fucking ruined it. I would, man, there's a
Speaker 3: story there. There's a story there. I mean, I've verged
Speaker 3: dark side cameras to point their lens here, because let
Speaker 3: me tell you, like no one knows really what Sid
Speaker 3: was like coming home from that injury and just everything
Speaker 3: that he built, his whole, everything he put in his
Speaker 3: back was fortified by those legs, you know. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: to not have that and the kind of things he
Speaker 3: might be making reference to about making family life it
Speaker 3: sounds like a hell for a little while, and not
Speaker 3: really be able to control it or know exactly why
Speaker 3: he was feeling that way. It was classic depression, and
Speaker 3: I wonder what it came down to for sid because
Speaker 3: you know, for the wrestling fan, he snapped his leg
Speaker 3: him and appearenteer there. He showed up in like two
Speaker 3: thousand and two and that ill fated Wrestling All Stars
Speaker 3: World Wrestling All Stars operation that thought it would kind
Speaker 3: of pick up the pieces of WCW, signed some guys
Speaker 3: and run some shows out of Australia. They did a
Speaker 3: pay per view or two we went nowhere. I think
Speaker 3: he showed up as their commissioner once, so he did
Speaker 3: see him, but we didn't see him. You know, we
Speaker 3: didn't really get to take the measure of if he
Speaker 3: was anywhere close to this that we remembered before the injury.
Speaker 3: He just pretty much faded. If it seems like you
Speaker 3: fell off the face of the earth after this injury
Speaker 3: and the subsequent sale of WCW two, right, I mean
Speaker 3: that the company disappeared as well, right exactly. Even if
Speaker 3: he was ready to come back, we as wrestling fans,
Speaker 3: would be none the wiser about his status because there
Speaker 3: was no platform for him to come back to because
Speaker 3: ww wasn't apparently interested. And if it seems like you
Speaker 3: fell off the face of the earth, well it's because
Speaker 3: he pretty much did I changed.
Speaker 9: My phone renumber. Wow, I didn't want to hear asked
Speaker 9: that story. I didn't want to answer that story. I
Speaker 9: don't answered any more questions about that anymore. On the
Speaker 9: other hand, have been so many good people that you know, strangers, like,
Speaker 9: for instance, when I was going to the dealings, I
Speaker 9: knew for instance, I had I could walk get out
Speaker 9: of my vehicle, and I could walk so many steps
Speaker 9: before I had to sit down. There were people that
Speaker 9: were personally parkeding my vehicle for me, opening the doors.
Speaker 8: For me, things like that.
Speaker 9: You know, hey, we're praying for you. I think those
Speaker 9: were good things that were good that parts of my
Speaker 9: life kept me going. Yeah, the rest of business has
Speaker 9: a tendency to ask the single nag in questions if
Speaker 9: you're talking to one of the boys, especially to know
Speaker 9: how that leg that hadn't happened, why did it happened?
Speaker 9: Explaining it time and time again. For three it seemed
Speaker 9: like even today, I'm still answering it. But for three
Speaker 9: four years, man, it was all day every day.
Speaker 4: He changed his number. YEP, I mean, were you that
Speaker 4: many people are calling you? Probably? I mean, I guess maybe,
Speaker 4: But what.
Speaker 3: What's his point about that? They're calling to get the
Speaker 3: story right as much as they're calling to see how
Speaker 3: he's doing, and he could.
Speaker 4: Sense more so probably to get the story right.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've heard this before. Like around then, It's
Speaker 3: like I didn't text him back because I got the
Speaker 3: sense that he was texting me not because he wanted
Speaker 3: to know how I was doing, but because he wanted
Speaker 3: to know how I was doing so we could pass
Speaker 3: it along, right and be the person in possession of
Speaker 3: new information about something that was water cooler talk in
Speaker 3: the wrestling business. Definitely definitely the creepiest kind of person
Speaker 3: you can run into. That kind of Oh, for sure,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's doing reconnaissance for some
Speaker 3: secret poison and not actually talking to you but almost
Speaker 3: talking through you in a way. And that it got
Speaker 3: to the point that he had to change his numbers,
Speaker 3: and knowing the business could call him a check in
Speaker 3: on him is really I think it's really pointing us
Speaker 3: to something about the wrestling business that we've always kind
Speaker 3: of circled around, and I think this kind of puts
Speaker 3: a finer point on it. It's like, this is a
Speaker 3: business where even your friends are kind of just trying
Speaker 3: to make currency out of being your friend. M right,
Speaker 3: because if I know kind of what's if I knew it,
Speaker 3: and I think too, there's probably a degree of like
Speaker 3: asking him over and over again what happened because they're
Speaker 3: horrified it's going to happen to them. Yes, that's I
Speaker 3: don't know if you know what I'm talking about, but
Speaker 3: it always drives me pretty crazy in life, where you
Speaker 3: get the sense that people are not asking questions because
Speaker 3: they're concerned about the episode, that what they're really concerned
Speaker 3: about is how can I tell myself that this won't
Speaker 3: happen to me. I'm looking for information about this murderer
Speaker 3: not because I care about the fact that somebody was killed,
Speaker 3: but because I want to tell myself that I can
Speaker 3: prevent the circumstances that led to this person being killed.
Speaker 3: And the more I find out about it, the better
Speaker 3: I can feel about myself. Kind of a selfish mission.
Speaker 3: I always got the sense, you know, and whenever you'd
Speaker 3: write about someone in the newspaper that went through a
Speaker 3: hard time, you know, around the holidays, there'd be a
Speaker 3: lot of stories about families that fell upon tough times,
Speaker 3: facing foreclosure or whatever the case may be, and you
Speaker 3: always found that people pride for details not because they
Speaker 3: felt badly and wanted to understand and sympathize and empathize,
Speaker 3: but they wanted the details because they wanted to tell
Speaker 3: themselves so they couldn't find themselves in that position just
Speaker 3: as easily. And it wouldn't surprise me if that was
Speaker 3: going through the minds of a lot of the wrestlers
Speaker 3: that had SID repeat this injury story over and over
Speaker 3: and over again. You know, when in my life, might
Speaker 3: I be confronted with a spot that I don't feel
Speaker 3: comfortable doing? And what did what did SID not say
Speaker 3: that I would have to say to prevent and prevent that?
Speaker 3: You know, I have to come away from this story,
Speaker 3: and I'm putting words in people's mouths.
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: I have to come away from this story with something like,
Speaker 3: well shit, I mean, if I was SIT, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have done that. If I was SI, I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: said that.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 3: In other words, it's almost blaming the victim, right so
Speaker 3: that you can feel protected, of course, if ever encountered
Speaker 3: by a similar set of circumstances. Of course, all of
Speaker 3: this is designed to try to navigate away from the
Speaker 3: fact that you know, things don't happen per a prescribed pattern.
Speaker 3: Cause and effect is almost impossible to establish in this life,
Speaker 3: and you never get the solace you seek when you
Speaker 3: pry for details around a tragedy. You never get those.
Speaker 3: That's solace because it probably happened to that person for
Speaker 3: reasons that you can chalk up to the randomness of
Speaker 3: the universe. And that's a deeply unsettling reality. And people
Speaker 3: will dig and dig and dig and dig and ask
Speaker 3: what abouts, yeah, butts until they feel like there's some
Speaker 3: cause and effect that they could prevent themselves from being
Speaker 3: a victim to as well in the future. And when
Speaker 3: someone gets hurt in the wrestling business, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I feel like I've heard this before. I'm struggling to
Speaker 3: come up with more examples, because you know, SID is
Speaker 3: the topic to shore right now. But where it really
Speaker 3: is like they're checking in on me, but they're not
Speaker 3: checking in on me, not at all. They're trying to
Speaker 3: assuage their own anxiety and make currency out of the
Speaker 3: information I may provide to them. So the fact that
Speaker 3: the fact that it got to the point and two
Speaker 3: I got to think for somebody is work out obsessed
Speaker 3: and physique obsessed to Sid. I mean, how much much
Speaker 3: it must it fuck with you that the only thing
Speaker 3: anybody wants to ask you is how you'll never be
Speaker 3: the same again?
Speaker 4: Essentially? Oh, I mean yeah, he's basically being told all
Speaker 4: the time that he's just you know, it's you know,
Speaker 4: you're never going to be what you were, right, It's
Speaker 4: not going to happen, so stop.
Speaker 3: It's you know, when you think about Sid and when
Speaker 3: he passed and we thought about a tribute show, it
Speaker 3: was like, all right, yeah, the Hogan feud, the funny
Speaker 3: shit he said in WCW, you know, bursting onto the
Speaker 3: scene in NWA. But you almost forget that, Like the
Speaker 3: ending is what's most poignant about the Sid story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3: It's underplayed because he underplayed it, because he changed his number,
Speaker 3: because he wasn't out there doing reams of interviews about
Speaker 3: the rehab process. It wasn't documented under wrestling. You know,
Speaker 3: if WCW was still in business, I'm sure we would
Speaker 3: have gotten vignettes of him recuperating, right, Oh, for sure,
Speaker 3: they would have tried to do something that would have
Speaker 3: done a sit down at his house or something. They
Speaker 3: would have tried to make content out of it, but
Speaker 3: the fact that it aligned that it was coincident with
Speaker 3: the final circling of the drain of World Championship Wrestling
Speaker 3: as a business really put this story even further and deeper,
Speaker 3: I think, into the shadows and the recesses of the
Speaker 3: wrestling fan's mind. Yes, because back then it was truly
Speaker 3: out of sight, out of mind. I mean, honestly, there
Speaker 3: was no social media. You couldn't keep people abreast of
Speaker 3: how you were doing independent of a platform like a
Speaker 3: wrestling television show or doing an interview for a wrestling
Speaker 3: website or something like that, thing wrestlers probably you know,
Speaker 3: wouldn't do anyway. But you know, there was no way
Speaker 3: to keep people abreast of how you were doing if
Speaker 3: you were still alive, you know, if you couldn't walk
Speaker 3: still or did your leg ever recover, No idea, Nope,
Speaker 3: Sid just scouries into the corner and again changing his
Speaker 3: number and going into a depression and becoming very difficult
Speaker 3: to deal with on the home front. It's years that
Speaker 3: it's years that are really cruel for a guy who
Speaker 3: mastered this character of being this complete separated from reality guy. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that he's got the ultimate reality check he does in
Speaker 3: the form of immobility and inability to be the only
Speaker 3: thing that ever paid the bills for him. Really, I
Speaker 3: mean that's not true. I mean, you know, he found
Speaker 3: ways in agriculture to pay the bill, but I mean
Speaker 3: pay the bills that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean, look, you're not making that much
Speaker 4: money compared to wrestling, right, And he was always very
Speaker 4: comfortable with that. At least he's represented it. But he
Speaker 4: had a funny way of showing it because he would
Speaker 4: go back to the negotiating table every chance he got
Speaker 4: try to get a little more. So for someone that
Speaker 4: was perfectly happy with the farm boy lifestyle, he certainly
Speaker 4: minded his p's and q's from a fucking W two
Speaker 4: perspective or ten ninety nine perspective.
Speaker 3: I think I should say, as we've documented and talked about,
Speaker 3: so there it goes sid oft into the shadows. Well,
Speaker 3: we hear from him again, we're not sure it was.
Speaker 3: There were some indignities here, and you start to sense
Speaker 3: in little drips and drabs that he didn't just chalk
Speaker 3: this up to dark fate, that he's starting to feel
Speaker 3: a little, a little kind of pissed off about being
Speaker 3: put in this position in the first place. Here's a
Speaker 3: clip from a podcast that he did about the injury,
Speaker 3: and he remembers one thing in particular that was an
Speaker 3: indignity about the immediate aftermath of this injury in Indianapolis.
Speaker 11: To be honest with you, Luke, I was just I
Speaker 11: was thinking about that a little bit today. You never
Speaker 11: recovered for something like that, first of all, and how
Speaker 11: they treated me was pretty not that well. Meaning to
Speaker 11: get from the hospital to the airport, if my wife
Speaker 11: hadn't have been there, I wouldn't have made it, and
Speaker 11: so they left me and her to do it by ourselves.
Speaker 11: She can't push me up a hill in a wheelchair.
Speaker 11: We struggled getting the airport at a nacy little airport
Speaker 11: airport at Indianapolis, And so that would be the answer
Speaker 11: to that. They didn't treat me very well on that deal. Now,
Speaker 11: as far as how it affected me to my life
Speaker 11: is it's the effect they ever joined my body from
Speaker 11: my shoulders being on that walker for so long, and
Speaker 11: the crutches.
Speaker 8: And.
Speaker 11: Now that i'm you know this left leg where I
Speaker 11: broke it, now my right knee I need knee replacement.
Speaker 11: I'm fighting against that actually is doing much better, however,
Speaker 11: But again it's just it's just it's just a domino effect.
Speaker 11: This made that ankle now starting to work itself to
Speaker 11: my hips and not bad, you know, but I can
Speaker 11: feel it, you know, so you never the answer is
Speaker 11: you never recovered.
Speaker 8: Something like that loop.
Speaker 11: That's probably to sleep. They put horses asleep because the
Speaker 11: break is so far down from my heart. It can
Speaker 11: never men. I don't know why.
Speaker 8: The doctor's never really.
Speaker 11: Excited to me that I pretty much lost lost my
Speaker 11: left calf over the years. I can't extends. I can't
Speaker 11: walk on my left hill if you ever tried that.
Speaker 11: I can walk on my right hill with my foot
Speaker 11: off the ground, but not my left. So I got
Speaker 11: really just used in one leg.
Speaker 3: Ended up on one legged man. And he walked around
Speaker 3: and did some wrestling, but he was a one legged man.
Speaker 3: And and that's an interview that he did well after
Speaker 3: there was any pretense of him getting back into a
Speaker 3: high earning position in the wrestling business. That was him
Speaker 3: years and years, I think twenty twenty one. Actually talking
Speaker 3: about the final analysis, if you will, about the injury
Speaker 3: told you don't even think about, like you said, the
Speaker 3: crutches and the walker and what that does to your shoulders,
Speaker 3: right to carry all that weight just on shoulders that
Speaker 3: was that was never accustomed to carrying it before. I'd
Speaker 3: imagine all kinds of muscles and joints get strained like
Speaker 3: they've never experienced before as you try to rehab something
Speaker 3: like that, And even when the leg gets a bit better,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you're dealing with a knee replacement
Speaker 3: in the other knee, or you're dealing with a shoulder
Speaker 3: issue or a hip issue.
Speaker 4: Right, man fell apart.
Speaker 3: Jesus, the man fell apart physically and mentally as a
Speaker 3: result of what happened at Sin two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: And it's crazy that this is kind of where that
Speaker 3: story ends, right, you know that there's nothing more to it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you would expect more from this story, but no.
Speaker 3: I mean I listened to the shoot interview that he did,
Speaker 3: one of them with Hannibal, and he was asked, you know,
Speaker 3: if there was like a detail effect from this, and
Speaker 3: here's what he said.
Speaker 12: Was there ever any legal situation with WCW over them
Speaker 12: asking me to do a movie we're comfortable with?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 3: Come now, the plaintiff Sydney Rudy and pursu into OCGA
Speaker 3: nine to eleven fifteen A files this amended complaint and
Speaker 3: further shows the court as follows. No legal Rammit, give
Speaker 3: me a fucking break, sid Have we not learned anything
Speaker 3: about sid Udy?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 3: Did he not go down to the Fulton County Courthouse
Speaker 3: and seek redressed from the legal system for what happened
Speaker 3: to him at SIN two thousand and one? Here got
Speaker 3: Jimmer and are we uniquely positioned as the podcast to
Speaker 3: bring it to you?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: We fucking are. Did this take three four years after
Speaker 3: the injury to resolve? Yes, it did, Boss. You see
Speaker 3: in your possession, Oh boy, series of documents, oh boy,
Speaker 3: pulled and called from your co chairman. Of course, enjoying
Speaker 3: the resources we do from the support of the TLF
Speaker 3: Solar system, we're able to go the extra mile and
Speaker 3: pull some court filing to bring you the full story.
Speaker 3: Things that a lot of details I'm sure that to
Speaker 3: this point have never been made public. There's a bit
Speaker 3: out there about this because he did appeal it, and
Speaker 3: those appealed decisions are pretty well circulated and easy to google,
Speaker 3: which is also the case for example, in the Russo
Speaker 3: versus Hogan w W Bashett's Beach Case. But as anybody
Speaker 3: who listened to those shows will tell you that that
Speaker 3: appeal decision does not tell you anywhere close to the
Speaker 3: full story. You got to go a bit deeper and
Speaker 3: pull some more files than that. And so he fucking
Speaker 3: did it, because I don't know if you think this
Speaker 3: is a game by now, I don't know if you've
Speaker 3: got the memo, but it's not. In the Superior Court
Speaker 3: of Fulton County, State of Georgia, Sydney rud plaintiff versus
Speaker 3: Universal Wrestling Corporation Incorporated Formerly known as World Championship Wrestling, Inc.
Speaker 3: Turner Sports, Inc. And Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated. And who
Speaker 3: else is a defendant boss named Johnny Laurenidis and parties
Speaker 3: X Y and Z. If you have in front of
Speaker 3: you what parties X Y and Z mean, Well, we'll
Speaker 3: get to it. It's I think it's people he doesn't
Speaker 3: really quite know to identify yet. And sid leg complaint
Speaker 3: is that what you have?
Speaker 4: I have?
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, So we're gonna turned it over to sid
Speaker 3: Udy himself, and what I understand has been prepared to
Speaker 3: deliver a dramatic reading Uh, this is basically the first
Speaker 3: shot across the bow. The lawsuit filed. It's February fifth,
Speaker 3: two thousand and three. And Sid has been going through
Speaker 3: all the rehab that we've heard him talk about. Sid's
Speaker 3: been boiling and simmering with tension about how this whole
Speaker 3: thing went down. And Uh, if my math is right,
Speaker 3: his WCW contract is about to expire.
Speaker 4: Or it already has. Those checks have stopped coming. I
Speaker 4: think two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, most people rather yeah, most people seem to say
Speaker 3: that their deals ran through twenty two, that the latest
Speaker 3: we know his, though we do know his, we do
Speaker 3: know his.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what am I saying? And there was twenty o two?
Speaker 4: You're right? I think it was two thousand and two. Yep.
Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, the check star stop rolling,
Speaker 3: and it's time to see if we can't get a
Speaker 3: little more, because God damn it, I'm in this position
Speaker 3: because of World Championship Wrestling and johny Lorinitis's negligence, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna find an attorney.
Speaker 4: Who agreed to this on my own. This was not
Speaker 4: my decision.
Speaker 3: As he points to the leg and as he points
Speaker 3: to the courthouse, boss, please let us hear the case
Speaker 3: is laid out by mister.
Speaker 4: Udy starting from second amended complaint. That's exactly correct. Second
Speaker 4: amended complaint comes. Now the plaintiff, Sydney Rudy and pursued
Speaker 4: OCGA nine eleven fifteen A files this amended complaint and
Speaker 4: further shows the court as follows jurisdiction and venue number one.
Speaker 4: Plaintiff Sydney Ruty, Mister Beauty is a resident of the
Speaker 4: state of Arkansas. Mister Beauty entered into contracts with one
Speaker 4: or more of defend in the state of Georgia as
Speaker 4: a professional wrestler defendant. Universal Wrestling Corporation Incorporated UWC, a
Speaker 4: Georgia corporation, was formerly known as World Championship Wrestling Incorporated,
Speaker 4: a Georgia Corporation. UWC's address is seventy five Rockerfeller Plaza,
Speaker 4: New York.
Speaker 3: You fucking really, I guess so. I mean, we've talked
Speaker 3: about this on Bash of the Beach. When ww folded,
Speaker 3: they created this entity UWC to handle all the winding
Speaker 3: down business matters of the company. Interestingly, UWC was also
Speaker 3: the name given to the transition company when Crocketts held
Speaker 3: to Turner in eighty eight. But yeah, they just incorporated
Speaker 3: it in New York, right, I think the Turner offices
Speaker 3: were essentially located at the time.
Speaker 4: Like how did they do that? So it's just very weird, Like,
Speaker 4: I mean, I know that, but like, how did so?
Speaker 4: So w CW was owned WWE at this point.
Speaker 3: Right, so they couldn't call it WCW anymore because that
Speaker 3: had been sold. They had to create a new company
Speaker 3: that could absorb all of the obligations and paperwork that
Speaker 3: WWE didn't want, WOW didn't take with them and call
Speaker 3: that the assets and liabilities of a Universal Wrestling Corporation.
Speaker 4: That's wild. UWC can be served through its registered agent,
Speaker 4: CT Corporation System, twelve oh one Peachtree Street, Northeast Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 4: three zero three sixty one. UWC is subject to the
Speaker 4: jurisdiction of this court defendant Turner Sports Incorporated. TSI, Well,
Speaker 4: why do they have to put I guess just for
Speaker 4: the sake of ease of having the right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Is a Georgia corporation may be served through its registered
Speaker 4: agent in Georgia. CT Corporation System twelve o one on
Speaker 4: PHG Street, Northeast Atlanta, Georgia, three zero three six y one.
Speaker 4: TSI's address is seventy five Rockefeller Plaza, J. Cannon, New York,
Speaker 4: New York, one double O one nine. TSI is subject
Speaker 4: to the jurisdiction of this court. Defendant Turner Entertainment Group
Speaker 4: Incorporated TEG is a Georgia corporation and may be served
Speaker 4: through its registered agent and Georgia CT Corporation System twelve
Speaker 4: oh one Pachtree Street at Atlanta, Georgia, three zero three
Speaker 4: sixty one. TG's address is seventy five Rockefeller Plaza, J. Cannon,
Speaker 4: New York, New York, one double oh one nine. TG
Speaker 4: is subject to the jurisdiction of this court.
Speaker 3: Said, are you subject to the jurisdiction of this court?
Speaker 4: I'm not subjected to anything. My jurisdiction is where I
Speaker 4: say it is.
Speaker 3: There's another T shirt. SID is very concerned with jurisdiction
Speaker 3: in this Uh.
Speaker 4: Oh, your damn fucking writing.
Speaker 3: Post wrestling career days.
Speaker 4: You don't need to worry about my jurisdiction, right My
Speaker 4: jurisdiction is where I see fit. Defendant Johnny laurinidis mister
Speaker 4: Laura notiis Johnny and mister Lauren IIDs Okay, can you
Speaker 4: call me that? Call me mister Laurenidis huh No, but
Speaker 4: I will call you what does it say next, Johnny
Speaker 4: Ace or mister Ace?
Speaker 3: I mean only in wrestling when you name a defendant
Speaker 3: and official court papers, do you have to include his
Speaker 3: k FA name with the mister in front of it?
Speaker 4: Because I mean that's the best part. Like you could
Speaker 4: call you know, mister so excuse me, mister Ace. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he would answer to it. That's the point, of course.
Speaker 4: That's exactly it.
Speaker 3: Like if you're gonna sue Shawn Michaels, are you really
Speaker 3: just gonna call him mister Hickenbottom throughout the entirety of
Speaker 3: the doctor Michaels. It's a fake name pulled out of
Speaker 3: the fucking sky.
Speaker 4: How about how about mister Heartbreak?
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, how about sham Michaels.
Speaker 4: Shaw Michaels is a resident of Florida and maybe served
Speaker 4: personally through his attorneys James A. Lambert and Joel P.
Speaker 4: Howell Troutman Sanders, LLP. Six hundred p Stree Street, Northeast
Speaker 4: Bank of America, Plaza Sweet fifty two hundred, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia,
Speaker 4: three zero three zero eight then you is proper in
Speaker 4: this court. I feel good I've secured Troutman Sanders or
Speaker 4: Sawders out Sanders. You know what, I'm gonna tell you something,
Speaker 4: Johnny Ace, I went fishing for trout Man. I got
Speaker 4: that right this.
Speaker 3: Oh by the way, as we read through this, I
Speaker 3: do want to remind you that this was his answer
Speaker 3: to the question, was.
Speaker 12: There ever any legal situation with WCW over them asking
Speaker 12: me to do a movie where comfortable with No.
Speaker 4: We can hardly even see him fucking say it too,
Speaker 4: m fucking liar? Why lie about that?
Speaker 3: That's just a big demerit in my mind? Man, when
Speaker 3: you can look it up on the public record like.
Speaker 4: That, Like, what's the point of hiding that? Like, I mean,
Speaker 4: are you dumb about court records?
Speaker 3: Like that tells me he didn't get the resolution he
Speaker 3: was looking for. If he got the resolution, he was
Speaker 3: not thought he deserved. You better believe That's the first
Speaker 3: thing he would say every time he told this story.
Speaker 4: Venue is proper in this court? What does that mean?
Speaker 4: Venue is proper?
Speaker 3: That just beings Like remember how Vince failed on venue
Speaker 3: the case against him because he wasn't in New York.
Speaker 3: So you know, don't try to argue that I'm not
Speaker 3: in the right court filing this even though w CW
Speaker 3: doesn't exist anymore and isn't based in Georgia.
Speaker 4: Got Jim statement of the facts. W CW entered into
Speaker 4: contracts and agreements for services of mister Udi as a
Speaker 4: professional wrestler.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised he stipulated to that. It took a long
Speaker 3: time to get that first line out of him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I don't o't an's contral. What is this? Then, said?
Speaker 3: Do you tell me I'm trying to write a brief
Speaker 3: here for.
Speaker 4: Your interesting right, there's a piece of paper. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: you signed it? You signed it? What you signed it? Well?
Speaker 4: Why do we have so much trouble with the basic
Speaker 4: first line of this thing. I'm gonna tell you right now,
Speaker 4: you look at my eyes, right now, exactly, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you some real simple I signed a piece of
Speaker 4: paper that's hot. Well, yes, it's called the contract. Uh uh,
Speaker 4: all it is is a dead tree. Wow, there's nothing
Speaker 4: legal or obligatory on that paper.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you, what could you have signed besides
Speaker 3: a piece of paper that would be binding.
Speaker 4: Listen, when I signed something that is binding, I sign
Speaker 4: it with my blood. I see, I will pierce open
Speaker 4: my skin, I may son, I will pour hot on
Speaker 4: a piece of something.
Speaker 3: Right, that's when you know I've stipulated to terms. As
Speaker 3: for now, I'm will to sign this contract with your blood, counselor.
Speaker 4: I'm willing to sign anything with your blood. I'm allowing
Speaker 4: your blood to pour.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing is, if if you once said to
Speaker 3: sign something in blood, the trouble is you gotta hire
Speaker 3: a surgeon and anestesiologist.
Speaker 4: Oh God, this suit arises out of defendant's wrongful termination
Speaker 4: and breach of that contract. In connection with the wrongful termination,
Speaker 4: defendants falsely asserted that mister Beauty was incapacitated, even though
Speaker 4: defendants had no intention of utilizing mister Beauty services, and
Speaker 4: even though mister Beauty was not in fact incapacitation.
Speaker 3: So he goes from saying I had to change my
Speaker 3: number and shut the world out and couldn't move, couldn't
Speaker 3: do anything too, I was not incapacitated in court filings.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you right now, I did break my leg,
Speaker 4: but my capacitation was one hundred percent affirmative. Well Man
Speaker 4: said it. Whatever it meant, I don't know, but he
Speaker 4: said it my capacitation. That's fucking go. Boss. Defendance a
Speaker 4: sort of reason for wrongful termination was and is a
Speaker 4: mere pred He likes that one further defendants caused such
Speaker 4: a legend in capacity and then wrongfully terminated these services.
Speaker 4: Defendis true reason for termination is his desire to avoid
Speaker 4: paying the compensation there is under the various contracts and
Speaker 4: agreements for mister Uty services.
Speaker 3: He didn't terminate me because I'm incapacitated. You terminated me
Speaker 3: so you didn't have to pay me when I'm mode.
Speaker 3: If you pay me when I'm mode, I will gladly
Speaker 3: stipulate to being incapacitated.
Speaker 4: Okay uh. Mister Uty has performed in professional wrestling Area
Speaker 4: TYPO for fifteen years. Mister UTI's wrestle under the stage
Speaker 4: names of Lord Humongous, Sid Justice, and Sid Vicious. Mister
Speaker 4: Uti developed a degree of notoriety for his skills and characters.
Speaker 3: That's one way to summarize his career. Mister Uti developed
Speaker 3: a degree of notoriety, a.
Speaker 4: Notoriety of his skills.
Speaker 3: It's just so funny when this has to translate into
Speaker 3: legal ease. You know, yeah, when you actually have to
Speaker 3: talk about this shit legitimately. It's it's like you, you know,
Speaker 3: you just you're just fucking it's just fucking failure.
Speaker 4: I can't wait.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right for the judge to say something about how
Speaker 3: it's not even real you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. During this this agreement, mister U, you performed
Speaker 4: well okay, and always exhibit a great work ethic and
Speaker 4: one above and beyond others. He maintained his character and
Speaker 4: physicality for the betterment of himself and defendants. Attaining his physicality,
Speaker 4: maintaining his character and physicality a great work ethic when
Speaker 4: above and beyond others, I did it better than Hulk Hogan,
Speaker 4: a big movie star himself. Why why are you not
Speaker 4: paying me? It's because I'm not a big movie star.
Speaker 4: Why you're not recognizing me in court is because I'm
Speaker 4: not a big movie star.
Speaker 3: Mister, mister Judy, please sit down. Order in the court.
Speaker 3: He's just shouting it across the court room.
Speaker 4: There's no one there.
Speaker 3: It's like a civil court.
Speaker 4: And his best done, mister Judy. Please, mister who are
Speaker 4: you talking? Mister who what? Sir? You're looking in the
Speaker 4: back of the court. Is there somebody there that I mean,
Speaker 4: there's nobody here, sir, that's good and we're live pal
Speaker 4: right as well.
Speaker 3: That's one we haven't tried yet. The well meaning judge,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, the one who really wants
Speaker 3: to understand these guys.
Speaker 4: And mister, I'm just trying to understand what is going on, okay,
Speaker 4: and you just keep sir, you keep your shut I
Speaker 4: couldn't believe he said that to that man. That judge
Speaker 4: is sweet as a Georgia peach. I'm listening. I'll tell
Speaker 4: you what. I'm not gonna hold you in contempt, even
Speaker 4: though you just said he told me to shut up.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to understand. I can't he said, believe
Speaker 4: he said that about Judge Anderson. He's a sweet as
Speaker 4: the Georgia pa and he went out there and said
Speaker 4: shut up right to the man's face. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: So I just want to look, Okay, we're just trying
Speaker 4: to understand each other. You don't understand anything. You know why,
Speaker 4: because it's because I'm a big movie star. I don't know.
Speaker 4: To hear a big movie star or not, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, isn't wrestling kind of like acting? I mean,
Speaker 4: what you do is performance hard, is it not? Listen,
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, please, I just want to understand what
Speaker 4: it is. You just look me deadney eye. He's some
Speaker 4: bid I'm looking you dead in the high. He is
Speaker 4: so easily intimidated, this judge, it's incredible, the absolut opposite
Speaker 4: of Jacob Mischler, exactly. He just wants to fucking he
Speaker 4: wants to get to the bottom of this. He sympathizes, right.
Speaker 3: He feels badly that Sid can't like represent himself appropriately
Speaker 3: and can't tell his lawyers what he really thinks.
Speaker 4: You know, I listen, listen, I've had these kind of
Speaker 4: things happen. All right. I'm on your side, mister Udie.
Speaker 4: You don't even know what a side is. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: look at you right now. I'm like Dusty Rhodes. You
Speaker 4: look me dead in the eye, and what hit you
Speaker 4: in the head? Like a shoot because you the court
Speaker 4: officer puts his hand on his gun when he says that, well,
Speaker 4: we'll got going on here, this guy on the shoot somebody.
Speaker 3: I would just recommend, sir, you watch the rhetoric.
Speaker 4: Okay, in this cart, we'll say, mister, you all sit
Speaker 4: your ass down because I look I don't know what
Speaker 4: you got just waving him off in the head. We
Speaker 4: do not allow that, officer.
Speaker 3: It's really fine. The judge is waving him off.
Speaker 4: Just just calm down. Herman. Herman. Herman's ready to come
Speaker 4: up off the hip. He's been waiting for this day,
Speaker 4: your honor. I'm just on him to say we don't
Speaker 4: allow people shoot themselves in court, or.
Speaker 3: Shoot their own angles for that matter, using the judicial
Speaker 3: process to cut a promo.
Speaker 4: Misters mister Ughten's I need you to sit down.
Speaker 3: Mister Huts. I grew up on Georgia tampship wrestling, and
Speaker 3: I know what you're doing.
Speaker 4: I know what you do for a living. A big fan.
Speaker 4: I'm with a hand on his gun. He's saying there,
Speaker 4: like I don't want to have to take drastic action.
Speaker 4: He says, I'm a big fan. Oh great maniacal courtroom.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he's here, he's filing it's sid filing
Speaker 3: a complaint and he can't work out anymore. What do
Speaker 3: you think is going to happen? And you're not going
Speaker 3: to pay him three hundred percent of his paycheck. I
Speaker 3: love the idea of just this you know this tall
Speaker 3: but like you know old bellied. Uh a bailiff.
Speaker 4: You know, fucking you know, this guy's fucking hand you know,
Speaker 4: you know, fucking buzz cut and a big bushy mustache
Speaker 4: hand on his fucking the fucking gun in his hip.
Speaker 4: All right, But here they just you know, maintain.
Speaker 3: Order, the honor the plaintiffs that hit in the head
Speaker 3: like a shot. I don't know how much you want
Speaker 3: me to interpret that.
Speaker 4: No, sir, I just don't want you to get hit
Speaker 4: in the head with the shot. I don't want anyone
Speaker 4: get shot in my courtroom, my.
Speaker 3: Courtroom, court officer. Really, the judge just my chopped liver.
Speaker 4: Here, her did you say my court room? Herman, herman?
Speaker 4: Please let me can I just please please? All right?
Speaker 4: We got this under control, all right, Judge Barnett. We
Speaker 4: are in Atlanta.
Speaker 10: Oh god.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: W c W was a company that was engaged in
Speaker 4: the professional wrestling business. W CW was and is a
Speaker 4: quote division of Turner Sports. I like that it is
Speaker 4: in quotes as a division of Turner Sports.
Speaker 3: Well, they're quoting documents directly when they do that.
Speaker 4: Sure, well, I'm saying it's a quote as should Turner
Speaker 4: Entertainment Turner Sports.
Speaker 3: Well, was it at the time this happened, it was well,
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just saying, so that's an error.
Speaker 4: Quote under sports. It's quoted sports. Yes, okay, it's a sport.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before you disbelieve us, we got to put that
Speaker 3: in quotes exactly.
Speaker 4: Because defendants have entered into contracts or agreements with a
Speaker 4: number of individuals for their services as professional wrestlers with WCW,
Speaker 4: including mister Udy. Under many of these contracts, WCW is
Speaker 4: required to pay the agreed upon compensation for the professional
Speaker 4: wrestler services, regardless of whether or not defendants elect to
Speaker 4: actually use the services and any of it's wrestling.
Speaker 3: They're gonna tell me you can't use my services without
Speaker 3: inquiring a prowardly as to whether those services are duly available.
Speaker 4: You're just going to assume that right now that w
Speaker 4: CW is required to pay whether or not my services
Speaker 4: have been used or remain unused or partially used.
Speaker 3: You have left my services unused, but you will not
Speaker 3: leave my paycheck undistributed.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something right now, w CW. You
Speaker 4: have you have left my my services unused, but my wallet,
Speaker 4: my wallet will not remain unopened.
Speaker 3: He's talking like geni angle. He's talking like basically a secretary.
Speaker 4: You know, I can't do I don't know what you
Speaker 4: want from me. I just work the desk.
Speaker 13: Shut up.
Speaker 4: Ww entered into an independent contract agreement with mister ud
Speaker 4: Damn right fuck yeah, shit then right independent contract shit
Speaker 4: fuck it mister u d as of June nine nine
Speaker 4: here and referred to you as the agreement. The agreement,
Speaker 4: among other things, sets forth compensation the w CW agrees
Speaker 4: to pay for mister Udi services.
Speaker 3: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have a
Speaker 3: copy of Sid's WCW contract. Indeed, it had to be
Speaker 3: filed in accordance with this lawsuit.
Speaker 4: Of course, the agreement provides for a three year term
Speaker 4: commenced in June ninth, ninety nine and extending to June eighth,
Speaker 4: two thousand and two. Here it is there. It is
Speaker 4: right there. On the agreement, the parties agree that mister
Speaker 4: Uti will be paid a total paid for a total
Speaker 4: of twenty four pay per view events for w CW,
Speaker 4: to consist of eight pay per view events for each
Speaker 4: of the three years the agreement. The compensation for each
Speaker 4: pay per view was an escalating figure for each year
Speaker 4: of the contract. We recall reading through the yes, the
Speaker 4: parties also agreed that mister Uty would perform other services
Speaker 4: for w CW a certain number of other non pay
Speaker 4: per view events, but the agreement specifies that the quote
Speaker 4: other non pay per view events shall not shall be
Speaker 4: non wrestling appearances unless otherwise agreed upon by the parties. Accordingly,
Speaker 4: under the agreement, mister Uti is not required d wrestle
Speaker 4: d wrestle at more than eight events per year. Wow,
Speaker 4: you imagine?
Speaker 3: So so wait, so like he didn't so he had
Speaker 3: to wrestle eight times a year at a minimum. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that's that's like everything above the eight has
Speaker 3: like different things that kick in. Now the contract basically
Speaker 3: just sets the terms for those eight. It's kind of a.
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable, like he has promised, but then anything above that,
Speaker 4: that's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Right, So like this contract really just really just establishes
Speaker 3: like that you owe us eight pay per view matches,
Speaker 3: and anything above that is an option in the contract
Speaker 3: with its own compensation schedule and terms.
Speaker 4: But it is what do you they wanted to bring
Speaker 4: me in for just pay per views and TV tapings
Speaker 4: at first? Yea, I don't understand, brother, how come I'm
Speaker 4: ill eight? Why don't I don't? I don't want to
Speaker 4: wrestle a times dude? Can I uh? Could I have twelve? Well,
Speaker 4: I don't want to wrestle at all, dude, to get
Speaker 4: paid for it. I want to get paid for exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I mean, how come you go to
Speaker 4: get to the rest LA Times Favored nations?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: What favored?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 4: Who's favored?
Speaker 8: Who?
Speaker 4: Dude's favorite? Right favorite Hogan favorite Hogan contract?
Speaker 3: Brother, my service is making unused, but my funds won't
Speaker 3: go undispersed.
Speaker 4: Ah, However, the agreement specifies to defend no just accordingly
Speaker 4: under the greem, mister U is not right anymore anything.
Speaker 4: Under the agreemp, mister Udi was not required to wrestle
Speaker 4: any of their promotion. Was not required to wrestle at
Speaker 4: any other events promoted by WSW. Was not required at
Speaker 4: any other events pro by WSW, including Natro, Thunder or
Speaker 4: non televised house shows. Brother, what I do? Why do
Speaker 4: I go russell Nitro?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 4: What's so?
Speaker 8: Said?
Speaker 4: Brother said?
Speaker 3: I remember your second ww run so fondly, would you
Speaker 3: care to characterize what your contract called for in those years?
Speaker 4: Sure? At that time.
Speaker 3: Mister Udi quote was not required to wrestle at any
Speaker 3: other events promoted by w CW, including Nitro Thunder or
Speaker 3: non televised out shows. He was not required, He was
Speaker 3: not obligated. We called it.
Speaker 4: He only had to wrestle. He was only required to
Speaker 4: wrestle eight times, and anything else will cost you. I mean,
Speaker 4: think about that, think about that really long and hard.
Speaker 3: And those eight are pay per views, which have it
Speaker 3: the whole, you know, split of revenue and everything, big paydays.
Speaker 4: It's not like those eight not have to fucking wrestle. Ever,
Speaker 4: Jesus on the agreement, defendants are not obligated utilized services. However,
Speaker 4: the agreement specifies if defendants are required to pay the
Speaker 4: compensation set forth in the agreement, even if WWTS not
Speaker 4: to use mister huty services.
Speaker 3: So strange, it's like it's you said right there that
Speaker 3: the contract doesn't guarantee you anything but eight matches. Yet
Speaker 3: you're saying they have to pay you if they don't
Speaker 3: use your services, right, I guess he means, you know,
Speaker 3: if you book me on six pay per views, you've
Speaker 3: got to pay me for eight. Book me on two,
Speaker 3: got to pay me for eight. Book me on one,
Speaker 3: got to pay me for eight. Book me onzero zero.
Speaker 4: You gotta pay me for eight. Under the agreement, mister
Speaker 4: Uti was required to follow the direction of defendants and
Speaker 4: their employees that that had to be put in their city.
Speaker 4: I gotta you get a fucking all. Right, listen, you
Speaker 4: gotta follow what I fucking say. All these are my directions.
Speaker 4: I'm an employee of defendant. Even before he files, the
Speaker 4: Los City calls himself, Yeah, I know what the fuck
Speaker 4: is going to happen. You know, listen, I'm an employee
Speaker 4: of defendant, and therefore you're required to follow my directions.
Speaker 4: You know my directions say turn left on the fucking
Speaker 4: ninety five. Yeah. It wouldn't be the.
Speaker 3: First to follow Kev's directions, as anyone who's ever written
Speaker 3: with them can attest, yeap.
Speaker 4: Under the agreement, mister Uti was required to perform services
Speaker 4: only for w CW. The agreement including an optional workers
Speaker 4: compensation assurance programs and insurance policy.
Speaker 3: Because it's a workman's comp claim.
Speaker 4: Really, yeah right? Insurance policy was that Rick rud.
Speaker 3: No, but he availed himself of the policy.
Speaker 4: This insurance policy and or workers' compensation insurance program was
Speaker 4: supposed to pay in the event that mister Ute was injured.
Speaker 4: Upon information and belief, Defendants were the named insured under
Speaker 4: the policy and received payment as a result of mister
Speaker 4: Utie's injuries. Further, the amount of policies was and or
Speaker 4: is the same as the value of mister Utie's agreement.
Speaker 4: Defendants promoted and produced a variety of wrestling events. These
Speaker 4: events included weekly live television shows and weekly tape television shows.
Speaker 3: To that last point, we'll get more into it, but
Speaker 3: it's worth pausing quickly to establish that. You know, when
Speaker 3: a company buys workers' comp insurance or whatever the case
Speaker 3: may be, insurance like he's talking about here, this insurance policy,
Speaker 3: WW gets paid for the fact that SID isn't out
Speaker 3: there producing revenue for them. You know, that's what the
Speaker 3: insurance policy is there for. If one of our key
Speaker 3: talents goes down, you will pay us money. And so
Speaker 3: you better believe that that doesn't sit well with SID. Now,
Speaker 3: as we'll get to that doesn't necessarily mean that SID
Speaker 3: didn't get any money too as a result of this program.
Speaker 3: But WCW gets an insurance payout when a guy goes
Speaker 3: down with an injury like this, let's.
Speaker 4: Just not forget that.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of weird.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very weird. It's very, very weird. These
Speaker 4: events included frequent non televised arenas shows referred to as
Speaker 4: house shows.
Speaker 3: These are the events that Defendant's promoted and produced, which
Speaker 3: apparently has to be stipulated.
Speaker 4: I mean, but the events that he didn't have to
Speaker 4: wrestle at or participates. I don't really know why this
Speaker 4: is in there. Honestly, Defenders promoter and produced a monthly
Speaker 4: pay per view telecast. These events are broadcast through cable
Speaker 4: and satellite transmission across the United States. These shows require
Speaker 4: the audience to pay for the ability to view the event.
Speaker 4: Right an early part of two thousand, mister Yudi was
Speaker 4: the champion of WCW.
Speaker 3: There comes the chronology.
Speaker 4: Mister Eric Bischoff was the president w CW. Mister Bischoff
Speaker 4: was also the president of Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated. Mister
Speaker 4: Vince Russo was vice president w CW and was in
Speaker 4: charge of the development of the shows. During this time,
Speaker 4: mister Yudi was injured. Mister Bischoff mister Russo agreed that
Speaker 4: mister Udi would not have to perform any physical acts
Speaker 4: in his next few appearances because of his injuries. They
Speaker 4: insisted that he make appearances even when mister Yudie should
Speaker 4: have been attempted to heal himself and attend physical therapy
Speaker 4: for the benefit of defendants.
Speaker 3: Now, this is a reference to This is the reference
Speaker 3: to that time period where Russo and Bischoff came in.
Speaker 3: Remember bush Off made the scissors joke on that Nitro. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so he's referencing that time period him with them being
Speaker 3: he's not talking about the leg injury. He's talking about
Speaker 3: injuries back in two thousand when he was champion on
Speaker 3: one occasion.
Speaker 4: Once occasion, brother, That's what it says. By the way,
Speaker 4: what once occasion?
Speaker 9: Brother?
Speaker 4: They're in to rush to file? What do you want?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 4: Who's Russian dude?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: Nick Volkoff?
Speaker 3: He would be one example. I guess I was gonna
Speaker 3: say Nikita cole Off, But that's fine. Who's Russian dude? Interestingly, No,
Speaker 3: he's not. He's polish.
Speaker 4: I think polish. What polished dude?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: Polished? Who's he polishing? Off? Brother? Exactly? What Patterson? What
Speaker 4: did you are? You did?
Speaker 3: Sid file?
Speaker 4: Who's falling for Sid?
Speaker 5: Brother?
Speaker 3: You call the clerk's office.
Speaker 4: Dude, you talked dude. Anyone called clerk, dude, the clerk
Speaker 4: has to call Hogan. He he pays him off on
Speaker 4: the back end. So what do you know about the
Speaker 4: SID filing, dude? And when come in today? Brother? What's
Speaker 4: the deal? Brother? Andyone come in in file? Toldy that
Speaker 4: I should know about it. Brother. I just want to know, dude,
Speaker 4: if sid's coming in, brother, is he trying to get
Speaker 4: whold Cogan? And what's he filing for?
Speaker 3: Hogan puts someone in the Fulton County Courthouse just to
Speaker 3: read every wrestling filing to see if it mentions his name,
Speaker 3: even it has nothing.
Speaker 4: To do with him. I mean, is he trying to
Speaker 4: get my contract? Dude?
Speaker 3: Years after the company closed?
Speaker 4: What's he listen?
Speaker 8: Listen?
Speaker 4: Hogan has has an insider in every fucking courthouse in America.
Speaker 3: I think by the way, I don't want this to
Speaker 3: go out remarked upon. I think the quote was, does
Speaker 3: he want my contract?
Speaker 5: Dude?
Speaker 4: Me like a copy of it, maybe if it helps
Speaker 4: the case. What do you why do you want my contract?
Speaker 4: Why my contract? What's the after dude? What's you want dude?
Speaker 4: M what's the scuttle butt? Dude, what's what are you hearing? Exactly?
Speaker 3: What's around the corner? I know what's on the paper, brother,
Speaker 3: but what's the dizzil?
Speaker 4: That's what I want to want. I want to know
Speaker 4: what he I want to know what's in the fissile,
Speaker 4: asked the big man upstairs. Brother, If you don't know
Speaker 4: what I'm talking about, Oh, the big man upstairs? You
Speaker 4: mean the clerk of courts. Yeah, he's on the sixth
Speaker 4: law mother, the superior judge. What's brother? Who's the judge superior?
Speaker 3: I rather adore that we get into the sid legal stuff,
Speaker 3: and like a sentinel, Hogan rises up in the night
Speaker 3: for a full accounting, like why does this have anything
Speaker 3: to do with him?
Speaker 4: Honestly?
Speaker 3: And I know he up at times to make no sense,
Speaker 3: but it's for a one off. He is intimately involved somehow.
Speaker 3: This stuff we're reading has just as much to do
Speaker 3: at this point with Hull Cogan as it does.
Speaker 4: Listen and thinking about this. Okay, in the middle of
Speaker 4: the night, he gets you know, he's waiting up in
Speaker 4: his house all right, down in Tampa. All right, he's sittings,
Speaker 4: He's sitting by the by the door, and at like
Speaker 4: one in the morning, A car, A car pulls up,
Speaker 4: all right, and he hands off an envelope and it's
Speaker 4: this whole fucking yes uh complaint. And Hogan is just
Speaker 4: sitting there, you know, he's got fucking reading glasses down
Speaker 4: on his nose, all right, and he's just going to
Speaker 4: skimming through every single one like you would do. So
Speaker 4: we're talking. We're a Georgia Cord brother jurisdiction? Brother? Does
Speaker 4: he a venue? Dude? Do I want to? Does he
Speaker 4: sell out a venue? What a venue?
Speaker 8: Do?
Speaker 4: But he's selling out? Brother? We can he sell out
Speaker 4: this court? Dude? Is he selling out the court room?
Speaker 4: We gotta talk about that. Can we get numbers? Can
Speaker 4: we get Are we talking like Tokyo? Do numbers?
Speaker 8: Brother?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: What what venue? Dude? I've never heard of this venue?
Speaker 8: Bro?
Speaker 3: See what's the u w C?
Speaker 4: What's the u w C?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 4: What's up with that? Brow promote promotion?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 4: Do I have to be worried? Are we talking about?
Speaker 4: Are we talking?
Speaker 3: It's don't worry, Terry. It stands for you wouldn't care.
Speaker 3: It's fine.
Speaker 4: What do you mean I wouldn't care? What's that mean?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 4: I want to what does that mean? What do you
Speaker 4: mean is there talking to you? How do you know
Speaker 4: what it is? Before? I who are you talking to?
Speaker 3: His own lawyers? The guys he that guy, the guys
Speaker 3: who faithfully wake up at two thirty in the morning
Speaker 3: when he has a panic attack over some like file
Speaker 3: like listening to.
Speaker 4: Has nothing to do with them, like state you know
Speaker 4: the next state up? Okay, Like you're not even fucking close.
Speaker 4: They're listening to him, accuse them of knowing something about
Speaker 4: the UWSC looking over his fucking spectacles too, Like you
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Speaker 4: Imagine Hulkogan looking over spectacles. Oh that's money. I mean
Speaker 4: we learned in T n H.
Speaker 3: Like Hulk reaches the stage of his life where he's
Speaker 3: obsessed with lawyers, yes, courts, and obsessed his life.
Speaker 4: Half of his life is in the court room, it
Speaker 4: really is.
Speaker 3: That's where hide the Ball comes from and all that nonsense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, playing hide the ball, dude, Like, and I gotta
Speaker 4: ask this question, who's he's playing who's he hiding the
Speaker 4: ball from from Ulk Cogan? Right? Is this a and
Speaker 4: Yang situation? You're talking about? What we're gonna tell the
Speaker 4: King and the Yang?
Speaker 13: Dude?
Speaker 4: We got dallast thing back in. We got with some brother.
Speaker 4: I think we got what we gotta do. Dude. We
Speaker 4: gotta go up to Georgia. We go to this court
Speaker 4: and we got Dallas thing in you. When do you
Speaker 4: want to go, Terry? It's three in the morning. I
Speaker 4: want to go right now. By the time we get there,
Speaker 4: you fucking I'll tell you what you drive. I'm going
Speaker 4: to sleep. Stop it. Showings have a bite, you know, brother?
Speaker 4: You know see what stinners up to see if he
Speaker 4: knows anything chicking on him anyway? Brother, Brother, I I'm
Speaker 4: telling you, dude, I think he's following something too. Dude.
Speaker 4: I don't know what's up with him. Brother. We got
Speaker 4: to keep that ship on level. Did Steiner file, Dude?
Speaker 4: What do you know about Steiner? Did he file? What
Speaker 4: episode was it? What do you know about Steiner? Did
Speaker 4: he file?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, he hasn't filed yet. Terry isn't filed yet. How
Speaker 3: do you know that's my court contacts? Tell me you
Speaker 3: pay me to keep them, keep me abreast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm talking about minute to minute. What do
Speaker 4: you know now exactly? Like maybe filed, maybe fouled right now.
Speaker 3: It's three thirty in the morning, Terry, I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna tell you something, dude. It's eight am somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not where he would file. He lives in Georgia.
Speaker 4: How do you know, dude? Do you know where he's
Speaker 4: out right now? Brother?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you know, even if he's on the
Speaker 3: West coast, it's like.
Speaker 4: Well, you followed his GPS I put in his car.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Don't tell me about that.
Speaker 4: I'd rather not know. That's exculpatory. You're talking about scalp dude.
Speaker 4: Uhers moving, brother, the GPS stunners moving. Dude, when you
Speaker 4: go to the courthouse, he's watching like a DoorDash driver.
Speaker 4: He's watching it move. Look, Stanner's on them. We got
Speaker 4: a fall Steiner. Dude. Look sids on the move, Dude,
Speaker 4: we got every sits on the move. Look, even Bishoff's
Speaker 4: on the move. Due Look, I can see him. He's
Speaker 4: not at his house. And Cody, he's on the road,
Speaker 4: Brother to the grocery store. But Hogan's more they're going
Speaker 4: to a courthouse. The file file what something that has
Speaker 4: nothing to.
Speaker 1: Do with him.
Speaker 4: He's not gonna be like, he's not gonna be the defendant,
Speaker 4: but it has ramifications. Does he want my contract? Dude?
Speaker 4: Did Scott file? Now? Listen, where are we at? Brother?
Speaker 3: The inappropriate reset? I love that, you know, like to
Speaker 3: come back to come back to the north Star out
Speaker 3: of nowhere. Eric gets back from you know, his his
Speaker 3: jaunt into town to pick up pickles and fucking the mail,
Speaker 3: and he comes back in.
Speaker 4: Throws his keys on the door and it's like the
Speaker 4: phone rings.
Speaker 3: Fis shops back brother, you just get back dude, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Terry Is it was more traffic than usual this time
Speaker 3: of year in Cody.
Speaker 4: Why are you driving at six a m. Brother?
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's I want to get the early
Speaker 3: bird special and some.
Speaker 4: Things special for what filing?
Speaker 3: Well, they opened this fish market, it's really great.
Speaker 4: Are you filing complaints in court? Dude? What are you filing?
Speaker 7: Brother?
Speaker 4: Huh? Why are you kidding up so early? Are you
Speaker 4: filing complaints in court?
Speaker 5: Dude?
Speaker 8: Terry?
Speaker 3: The course aren't open at six in the morning. What
Speaker 3: are you talking about? How do you know exactly you
Speaker 3: work for the course. Now, how do you know that exactly?
Speaker 4: That's kind of it's kind of suspicious, brother, that you
Speaker 4: know exactly what time they open, almost like you're waiting
Speaker 4: for them. Are you a clerk now, dude? For the court?
Speaker 4: M I don't hear you Answerry, I don't know. I
Speaker 4: don't have time for this right now. What's I just
Speaker 4: got these fresh eggs? I need to make you got
Speaker 4: fresh eggs, dude? That we call them this thing? Now, brother,
Speaker 4: you kind of call them this thing now? You call
Speaker 4: them me every time you file a lawsuit. Dude, it's
Speaker 4: kind of you're talking about fresh eggs. There's operation fresh eggs, Dude,
Speaker 4: there's this double oh seven's in vall? Brother? What double
Speaker 4: O fresh egg what's the diz? Dude? Exactly?
Speaker 3: I know, and you know something's up. Brother, It's only
Speaker 3: a matter of time before I find out. Might as
Speaker 3: well tell me now.
Speaker 4: I don't have to remind you, brother. I got people
Speaker 4: in Cody, all right. If you filed something, dude, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna know about it. I got my man, I got
Speaker 4: my girl Georgia and Cody Brother up, my dude, Cody
Speaker 4: in Georgia. I want to tell your brother, Cody on
Speaker 4: the roads, dude, right, Cody's on the roads. Brother.
Speaker 3: So so I'll let you get back to your breakfast. Brother,
Speaker 3: say hi to Lourie for me. But let me ask
Speaker 3: you one question, dude, did you file? Are you gonna file?
Speaker 4: But do you plant hot the ball?
Speaker 3: I love I love everything about it. But I love
Speaker 3: how he thinks if he figures out these legal terms
Speaker 3: that it's going to corner the guy like if hesas
Speaker 3: hide the ball, the guy somehow is now like boxed
Speaker 3: in and can't can't lie, can't lie? Now, how do
Speaker 3: you know what time the court opened?
Speaker 4: That's great?
Speaker 3: The court is numbled to nine. Well, yeah, that's why
Speaker 3: I it was a test, brother, to see if you
Speaker 3: knew what time the court's opening. And I think it's
Speaker 3: very interesting that you know, brother, how many loss would
Speaker 3: you get going now, dude? Exactly any amount all covid.
Speaker 4: I mentioned at all? Dude, I mean even by just
Speaker 4: not named dude, by passing enough circumstance, brother, is he
Speaker 4: evident circumstantial? Easy? Or are we talking something more? I mean,
Speaker 4: I mean, what do we what are we filing about?
Speaker 4: What's the file?
Speaker 3: He hasn't done it said, he's not going to do it,
Speaker 3: says there's nothing to file, and he gets to the
Speaker 3: and Terry somehow gets to the point of what's in
Speaker 3: the file, like, what are you going to file? It's like,
Speaker 3: I just told you I'm not going to file anything.
Speaker 4: Did you not hear that? I don't know what you're
Speaker 4: talking about. It I heard, dude, was somebody claiming something
Speaker 4: that isn't true. I heard of someone who knows what
Speaker 4: time the cord's opening and Cody. What I heard is,
Speaker 4: I know a guy who's been driving around Cody Wyoming
Speaker 4: Brother and fucking darkness and saying he knows exactly when
Speaker 4: the courts are opened. Yet he's in the dark. I
Speaker 4: just picture he's had lights bursted through the the pre dawn.
Speaker 4: You know, you know you can you can see you
Speaker 4: can see the lights, you know, from down the hill,
Speaker 4: this conical shape.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh that's oh my god. It's like the road that
Speaker 4: John Candy and Steve Martin around in Kansas where the
Speaker 4: thing blows up. Why are you driving around the darkness?
Speaker 4: You can only mean one thing. You're gonna drive around
Speaker 4: for three hours so the courthouse open so you can file.
Speaker 4: Oh that's so funny. Oh my god, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: oh the darkness. Drive around, driving around the dark dude
Speaker 4: all hours of the morning.
Speaker 8: Brother.
Speaker 3: Well, that said, let's get to the point of the
Speaker 3: sit complaint of Mentionetogin.
Speaker 4: On once occasion, mister Udy appeared in an event and
Speaker 4: the agents demanded that mister Yudi fall through a table
Speaker 4: and loose the match. Read that again, please. On once occasion,
Speaker 4: when mister Yudy appeared in an event, the agents demanded
Speaker 4: that mister Yudi fall to a table and lose the match.
Speaker 3: This is okay, so he's referencing. You know, the Brusso
Speaker 3: Bischoff era is short lived. As it was, there were
Speaker 3: a lot of people going through tables for no reason. Man,
Speaker 3: they were doing shit every ten seconds.
Speaker 4: That was wild.
Speaker 3: So apparently at a time that he had told both
Speaker 3: of them, they had told him that he would have
Speaker 3: to perform any physical acts because of his injuries. They
Speaker 3: insisted he make appearances, even though Sid claims he should
Speaker 3: have been a healing at the time. And he shows
Speaker 3: up on one occasion and they asked him to go.
Speaker 4: Through a table.
Speaker 8: That's wild.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that at all?
Speaker 3: Well, he wrestled Sting on that April tenth nitro and
Speaker 3: then that was it. And I don't think he went
Speaker 3: through table in that match. Maybe he did, maybe he
Speaker 3: did put maybe someone did run out and put him
Speaker 3: through the table to explain his absence, not that I
Speaker 3: think about it, but whatever.
Speaker 4: Fucking weird, mister Bischoff. Mister Russo promised that if mister
Speaker 4: Yudi did this for both the live shows, both live shows,
Speaker 4: that he would not have to perform for the next
Speaker 4: pay perview, but he would receive his full pay fifty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars for that pay per view.
Speaker 3: Agree, you'll pay the guy to not work the pay
Speaker 3: per view if he'll just you know, do something at
Speaker 3: a nitro Like what kind of you got to negotiate that?
Speaker 3: That's like chicken shit, you know, that's WCW to me, right,
Speaker 3: exactly every little thing you have to do, like has
Speaker 3: four or five contractual ramifications.
Speaker 4: Oh, mister Bischoff. Mister Russo promised that mister Uti would
Speaker 4: be giving time to heal and a complete physical therapy.
Speaker 4: Mister Yuti reluctantly agreed, especially since he was he's going
Speaker 4: to finally get time to heal and recuperate from his
Speaker 4: injuries and curred for the benefit of defendants.
Speaker 3: They were incurred for the benefit of the plaintiff by
Speaker 3: the way they were. They were incurred in.
Speaker 4: The listen, my injuries were incurred and they benefited you
Speaker 4: and your benefit.
Speaker 3: O me, even though I got paid, that's fine.
Speaker 4: Instead of abiden by agreement, defendant's cut mister Yu's paying
Speaker 4: half while he was undergoing physical theory. Oh you don't
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 3: Don't bring that Brad Siegel cost cutting to Sid's contract.
Speaker 3: No thanks, cut his pay in half while they sent
Speaker 3: him home, telling him he'd be if he'd be taken
Speaker 3: care of, Brad. Brad, Come on, folks, Diana Myers can
Speaker 3: write you a letter, but that doesn't mean it's it's
Speaker 3: gonna hold up.
Speaker 4: Mister U was constantly required to make promotional appearances, even
Speaker 4: though he was termed disabled and receiving one half his pay.
Speaker 4: These appearances included a ten day appearance in Australia and
Speaker 4: Los Angeles, California, from which he was hospitalized upon his
Speaker 4: return home. Now, La, would that be the premiere of
Speaker 4: fucking Ready to Run? I bet it would be. Didn't
Speaker 4: he have some like minor me? He wrestles in You
Speaker 4: know that's got to be it just a big thing.
Speaker 4: Mister Udy was even forced to do live television performances
Speaker 4: when he had been promised that there would be nothing physical,
Speaker 4: merely merely an appearance each time the quote booker whose
Speaker 4: employee of or Asian Defendants had a physical incident occur.
Speaker 4: These physical incidents prolonged mister Udie's recovery from his injuries.
Speaker 4: Defendants employees and agents told mister Udi that his appearances
Speaker 4: were necessary for the survival of the company whose ratings
Speaker 4: were low. In December two thousand, Defendants promised mister Udy
Speaker 4: that he would be the main event on pay per view,
Speaker 4: the entire storyline built around him.
Speaker 3: Of course, Starcating and Scott Steiner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mister Terry Taylor, who's employed by or and Or
Speaker 4: worked for Defendants as an agent. He told mister Udi
Speaker 4: to get an early release from anyone to do his
Speaker 4: pay per view. Mister Taylor and others who were employed
Speaker 4: or buy or acting on behalf def informasiter uti at
Speaker 4: the company was depending on him to performed his pay
Speaker 4: per views to raise ratings. Let we go again, because
Speaker 4: this is a great track record to this point, right right,
Speaker 4: Mister Yu discussed his problems fifty thousand dollars for the
Speaker 4: earlier pay per view with Miss Diana Myers, an employee
Speaker 4: of Defense. Miss Myers promised that if mister uti was
Speaker 4: released to work, he'd received his full compensation, including fifty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. On December first, two thousand, mister Utie's physician
Speaker 4: released him to work. On December fifty, two thousand, Ms
Speaker 4: Myers's counsel for ww a division of Turner Sports and
Speaker 4: a Time Warner company, restored mister Utie's compensation by written correspondence. However,
Speaker 4: that promise fifty thousand dollars was still not paid.
Speaker 3: Another Russo promise in one ear out the other.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. I mean, yeah, well that's a that's a
Speaker 4: that's a that's a kind of a massive financial commitment
Speaker 4: that they're not paying.
Speaker 3: We'll pay you, yeah, we'll pay you what you would
Speaker 3: what you'd make if you work the pay per view,
Speaker 3: even though you won't as compensation to get you to
Speaker 3: agree to do this table spot or whatever we need
Speaker 3: to do to get you written out, and then we'll
Speaker 3: send you home. And not only will we not pay
Speaker 3: you the fifty grand, we'll cut your pan half as well.
Speaker 4: Right, mister Johnny Ace was a booker for defendants. He
Speaker 4: was employed by one or all of defendants? Okay, how
Speaker 4: was he employed by one defendant or all?
Speaker 3: Well, there's more than just UWC. That's that's sued here.
Speaker 3: It's also him, which would be weird. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: the X Y Z factor we talked about, or here
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 4: Mister Ace, oh my God, constantly insisted that mister Yudi
Speaker 4: leaped from the top ropes of the ring and the
Speaker 4: land of his opponents. Mister Yudy refused to perform this move,
Speaker 4: stating that he had ring rust e g was not
Speaker 4: yet accustomed to being back in the wrestling ring, and
Speaker 4: that he did not think that a man of his
Speaker 4: size should perform such a stunt. Mister Ace continued to insist,
Speaker 4: even though mister Udy had not completely healed from his
Speaker 4: prior injury and was forced to get an early release
Speaker 4: from the hospital. Mister Udy did not agree jumping from
Speaker 4: the ropes surrounding the ring was particularly safe in light
Speaker 4: of his size six feet nine inches and weight two
Speaker 4: hundred and ninety five pounds. On January fourteenth, two thousand
Speaker 4: and one, mister Uti was to perform at a pay
Speaker 4: per view in Indianapolis, mister Race. Mister Race handed mister
Speaker 4: Udias script. Well, there it is, get giving away the
Speaker 4: whole business. This script finished with mister Udy leaping from
Speaker 4: the top ropes onto his opponent. Mister Udi tried to
Speaker 4: refuse to perform this move. Mister Race and others who
Speaker 4: are employees and agents and defendants instance that mister Uti
Speaker 4: performed this move, citing his contract and his duty to
Speaker 4: help the company which needed better ratings. Mister Uedi reluctantly
Speaker 4: performed the move and suffered a double compound fracture of
Speaker 4: his left leg. Mister Udy's leg bones protruded through the
Speaker 4: skill and his boots. On nationally broadcast television, mister mister
Speaker 4: Udy was a horrific agony, lying on his back on
Speaker 4: the stage. The stage, the stage, okay, because we're circus
Speaker 4: animals performing an act.
Speaker 3: That wasn't in the complaint by the one.
Speaker 4: Mister Udi was immediately transported Methodist Hospital for emergency surgery.
Speaker 4: Mister Ace came to the hospital to visit mister Udi
Speaker 4: and apologize, repeatedly stating that he was sorry that he
Speaker 4: forced mister Usi to performed the move while mister Uti
Speaker 4: was recovering in the hospital. Defense broadcast of the incident
Speaker 4: repeatedly on the live show.
Speaker 3: And this is where the replay that we started this
Speaker 3: show talking about becomes an issue in a court of law.
Speaker 4: Yep, Defenders were taking advantage of mister Utie's horrific injury
Speaker 4: to gain ratings. Defendants succeeded and received high ratings for
Speaker 4: the live show. Okay, let's dile it into that one,
Speaker 4: go ahead. These ratings translated into higher earnings for defendants
Speaker 4: for these lives, for these shows. Oh they didn't, Oh
Speaker 4: they did. They got higher earnings, high ratings. And I
Speaker 4: didn't get ship high.
Speaker 3: Earnings, higher earnings.
Speaker 4: You hear that, judge, Listen, I heard it. I heard.
Speaker 4: I'm mister Udi. I am all for you getting hired. Earnings?
Speaker 8: What it is?
Speaker 4: Hired? He's get hired? He earned they all right? Did
Speaker 4: he earn?
Speaker 8: Did he?
Speaker 4: Listen? Did he get earnings? For breaking his leg? On
Speaker 4: national television and asked the question, counselor did did did
Speaker 4: he get earnings? Did did he earn it?
Speaker 3: Did you earn as a result of this?
Speaker 4: Did he get earned? Did he earn? Anybody doesn't that
Speaker 4: to take a carry? And everybody know if he earned
Speaker 4: not take a car or something like that. Now didn't
Speaker 4: that undertaker guy? Didn't he carry and earn? Is that
Speaker 4: what you're talking about? Earnings?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: Earnings then earned with dings in it?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: Ring dings? What is the following? In defendis brought Inductory Andrews,
Speaker 4: one of mister Judy's physicians to appear in w W
Speaker 4: even though mister Judy never saw doctor's respect to his
Speaker 4: leg injury. Say that again, even though mister Yudie never
Speaker 4: saw doctor and Andrews with respect to his leg injury. Okay, so,
Speaker 4: but was MISTERI was doctor Andrews a fucking just regular physician,
Speaker 4: Like why would he see him? Isn't he a surgeon?
Speaker 3: He's a surgeon, Yeah, but he might. I'm obviously he's
Speaker 3: gonna need surgery.
Speaker 4: So right, but but he but he never saw doctor
Speaker 4: Andaws with respect to his leg injury.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so right, So they're putting. So they're putting. So
Speaker 3: doctor Andrews on television to talk about an injury like.
Speaker 4: This, But why is he? I mean, it just seems
Speaker 4: weird to like that he's a regular physician he's one
Speaker 4: of mister Udy's physicians. That seems weird to me, Like, like,
Speaker 4: what what else would he do besides performed surgery on you.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe he can consult you about surgery.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, maybe he consulted sit on another surgery.
Speaker 4: I guess. But again, I wouldn't. I would not consider
Speaker 4: a surgeon who I only talked to on for specific
Speaker 4: reasons my physician would be considered one of my physicians.
Speaker 4: That's a good point, YEP, that seems weird to me, Like,
Speaker 4: I mean, because I mean, I wouldn't consider him to
Speaker 4: be a physician. I mean, I know, maybe that's maybe
Speaker 4: that's a much broader term that incorporates surgeons as well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but like I don't think of a physician as being
Speaker 4: as being a surgeon.
Speaker 3: I get your point. I wonder if that's a confusion
Speaker 3: of terms. I just think it's fascinating that he's making
Speaker 3: such a big deal out of the fact that they
Speaker 3: replayed this on Nitro and made a segment out of
Speaker 3: it and had doctor James Andrews way. And that's like
Speaker 3: wrestling one oh one when a guy gets injured because you.
Speaker 4: Know why, because he technically made an appearance on the
Speaker 4: show and they're not fucking trank.
Speaker 3: Well, he's definitely that's why he's definitely needing to prove
Speaker 3: it's becoming clear already. He's definitely needing to prove that
Speaker 3: WCW made more money than they shared with him off
Speaker 3: of his injury, like right, right exactly, They found ways
Speaker 3: to enhance their show with his misfortune and then still
Speaker 3: cut his pay in half.
Speaker 4: You know, uh as defendants had agreed had doctor Andrews
Speaker 4: describe the injury in graphic detail, show X rays and
Speaker 4: explain the surgery and recovery. And once again, defendants were
Speaker 4: trying to increase their ratings by taking advantage of mister
Speaker 4: Utie's injury and misery us after the injury, defends wrongfully
Speaker 4: cut mister Utie's pay in half again while he was
Speaker 4: recovering from his injuries sustained because of the insistence of
Speaker 4: one of its employees, Defendants cut mister Yu's pay even
Speaker 4: though they were they were profiting from the horrible injury
Speaker 4: that mister Uti suffered on their behalf and at their insistence.
Speaker 4: On February nineteen, two thousand and one, mister Huty received
Speaker 4: a letter from you Benefit Consultants. This company allegedly provided
Speaker 4: disability payments with mister Uti. However, upon information belief this
Speaker 4: company had an insurance policy which listed defendants as the
Speaker 4: beneficiary in the event, and that mister Uti was injured,
Speaker 4: the benefit was the full value mister Utie's contract. Mister
Speaker 4: EU completed the disability forms and sent them to US
Speaker 4: Benefit Consultants. Mister Udi did not receive payment from US
Speaker 4: Benefit Consultants or the insurance so he got no payment
Speaker 4: from the benefit consultant. That's interesting.
Speaker 3: Wow, And he's saying the so WCW basically got an
Speaker 3: insurance payment in the amount of what they would have
Speaker 3: paid SID in the contract if he was working the
Speaker 3: whole time, right, So they're made whole for the fact
Speaker 3: they can't use SID. So that's a hell of a
Speaker 3: thing to hang your hat on. Like, you guys already
Speaker 3: made back all the money you would have lost if
Speaker 3: I was working for you, right, So what the fuck?
Speaker 4: Right On Marsh one nine, two thousand and one, MS
Speaker 4: Myers ww A division and Turner Entertainment and Tom Warner
Speaker 4: Company terminated mister u contract. This termination was improper and
Speaker 4: embrace the agreement. MS Myers indicated over telephone and in
Speaker 4: her letter that mister Uti should contact the company that
Speaker 4: purchases WW to get another contract. Defense had terminated mister
Speaker 4: Uti because of the injury that they calls.
Speaker 3: This is around the same time, folks from our last
Speaker 3: Nitro coverage, Folks our Greed coverage, pardon me our Greed coverage.
Speaker 3: More particularly and the bachel of the Beach coverage will
Speaker 3: recall that Myers is also hard at work, along with
Speaker 3: Brad Siegel, trying to you know, withhold guaranteed pay per
Speaker 3: view payments from hul Cogan in these daring days by
Speaker 3: inviting him to appear at Greed knowing he wouldn't, so
Speaker 3: that they could cite that as basically, you know, a
Speaker 3: breach of the contract that means they don't have to
Speaker 3: pay him those those pay per view sums whether or
Speaker 3: not he appears. So they're playing all kinds of games
Speaker 3: in the winding feature.
Speaker 4: Of feature player. Bro, No, no question, dude, I'm not
Speaker 4: in my featured master to you. I can turn this
Speaker 4: down and you still got paid, brother.
Speaker 3: Zactly you know, cash those checks, dude, Given though the
Speaker 3: contract isn't valid, as I argue in my lawsuit, I'm
Speaker 3: going to cash the checks. Brother, there should have been more.
Speaker 4: I listened to it. I get your money comes in, brother,
Speaker 4: I cast those checks. Dude, I don't know what you
Speaker 4: want from those checks.
Speaker 3: And then claim after the fact that I'm not a
Speaker 3: title to him.
Speaker 4: Brother, cut checks, cash checks? Dude? What's going on that?
Speaker 3: His hustle?
Speaker 4: Brother? I mean, look, life's a game, dude. You know
Speaker 4: we're talking about playing the gizzam Dude. What's it is? Exactly?
Speaker 4: Mister Yedy is currently not employed as a professional wrestler.
Speaker 4: Mister ud has gone through extensive rehabilitation. The recovery process
Speaker 4: has been long and extremely painful. How about that? Major
Speaker 4: changes at WCW.
Speaker 3: Think about this, okay, think about the state of affairs
Speaker 3: irrespective of the fact that WW moved in and bought
Speaker 3: the company SID on January fourteenth of twenty oh one.
Speaker 3: So firstkn the injury we just saw yep, March. First,
Speaker 3: they terminate his contract.
Speaker 4: What's the problem. Huh, what's the problem? Don't say the's
Speaker 4: a problem. I'm just staying in facts. It's normal procedure.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, he's not he's not coming to
Speaker 4: work for I'm not able to perform right, very simple.
Speaker 4: You know, if you just if you just fucking know,
Speaker 4: showed at your office for two months, you'd be fucking fine.
Speaker 4: Is real simple? And I see what you do understand
Speaker 4: is what is real simple?
Speaker 3: You don't know what simple is.
Speaker 4: You don't even understand what simple is. You don't even
Speaker 4: understand how stupid I am?
Speaker 3: All right, stop quoting from the promo and the outsiders.
Speaker 4: All mister d has remained ready to perform one of
Speaker 4: the agreement is requested. W W went through Signify you
Speaker 4: Can changes during the early part of the year two thousand.
Speaker 4: WW change it's man operating management on at least two occasions.
Speaker 4: In two thousand, there were numerous press reports a ww's
Speaker 4: parent corporation, Time Warner Incorporated, embarked on a program of
Speaker 4: reducing or eliminating wsw's contractual obligations as a prelude to
Speaker 4: Time Warner's merger with America Online Incorporated. Burners Wrestling tenure
Speaker 4: with defendants. Mister Udi received paychecks issued by defendant Turner
Speaker 4: Sports Incorporated that showed WSW as an affiliated entity. Mister
Speaker 4: Udi received correspondence from WW on stationary letterhead which specifically
Speaker 4: represented the WW as a division of Turner Sports staying
Speaker 4: World Championship Wrestling a division of Turner Sports. Defendant Turner
Speaker 4: Sports Incorporated, and WSW share the same business address, one
Speaker 4: CNN Center, Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 3: Okay, we get it.
Speaker 4: Said defendants Turner Sports and Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated dominated
Speaker 4: and controlled the business activities at w CW. Dominated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if everyone would agree with that characterization.
Speaker 4: Defense Turner Sports Incorporated and Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated, as
Speaker 4: executives managed and operated the business and w CW and
Speaker 4: paid wrestler salaries. Defending Turner Sports Incorporated and defendant Turner
Speaker 4: Sports Entertainment. So now there's Turner Sports Entertainment Group. Yeah,
Speaker 4: look at that. That's a new one. That's a fucking
Speaker 4: just w that's hilarious. So I thought I was Turner Wrestling, Right,
Speaker 4: you wrest youre in the wrestling business. Now you're an
Speaker 4: entertainment business. You gotta make up your mind. Theodore. That's
Speaker 4: a shot, Theodore Turner, THEO. Right, every gonna call you Theopal. Well,
Speaker 4: I just did.
Speaker 3: I think it'll stick?
Speaker 4: TURNI Sports Entertainment Group Incorporated had their employees direct the
Speaker 4: activities of WW have their employees direct to the activities
Speaker 4: of WSW. Ww's division Turner Sports and a Turner Entertainment
Speaker 4: acted as defendant. Turner Sports Incorporated and Turner Entertainment Group
Speaker 4: Incorporators agent in connection with the operation of the business.
Speaker 4: As such, defendise, Turner Sports Incorporated and Turner Entertainment Group
Speaker 4: are vicariously liable for the connacht WSW defense. Turner Sports
Speaker 4: Incorporated Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated in WSW acted as joint
Speaker 4: ventures in the business operation of w CW as a
Speaker 4: wrestling enterprise. WW was the altar group alter ego of
Speaker 4: definis Turner Sports Incorporated and Turner Entertainment CREEP Incorporated. Definished
Speaker 4: Turner Sports Incorporated and Turningtainment were have commingled, co mingled
Speaker 4: their assets with those WSW, have controlled the business WSW
Speaker 4: advance and further their own business purposes, and have abused
Speaker 4: and disregard to the corporate form and therefore the corporate
Speaker 4: veil should be pierced.
Speaker 3: Yes, in other words, and they're trying to go after
Speaker 3: Turner instead of WCW. They're trying to you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, claim make a claim against Turner and get
Speaker 3: that money. Instead of w W which is now out
Speaker 3: of business. So they're going out of their way to
Speaker 3: like say, there's there's no difference. So you can't just
Speaker 3: like isolate over here and say, well, WW has no
Speaker 3: money to pay you a settlement, you know, but if
Speaker 3: you make it about Turner, then you get accessed all
Speaker 3: that money, right settlement.
Speaker 4: Well, I thought I thought too that it was the
Speaker 4: Turner was paying the money anyway, not WW.
Speaker 3: Well when WW was running, yes, but thus I forget
Speaker 3: this is filed two years after WW he closes. So
Speaker 3: there's this uwc nity that I'm sure Turner slash AOL
Speaker 3: would be very eager to argue, are the only books
Speaker 3: that you can go after to settle a lawsuit? And
Speaker 3: he's like, no, sir, that's my guess as to why
Speaker 3: he's going through such painstaking stipulation of facts connecting Turner
Speaker 3: to w like there's any controversy about that at all.
Speaker 4: Right, Recently, defendant Turner Entertainment, Greeve and or AOW AOL
Speaker 4: Time Warner sold WSW World Wrestling Entertainment. In this transaction,
Speaker 4: certain assets were sold WWE, including but not limited to,
Speaker 4: the right to use the name WW. However, the contracts
Speaker 4: certain wrestlers were not similarly transferred. W uses the name
Speaker 4: w CW, but not its employees, equipment, etc. WCW does
Speaker 4: not perform shows, but it has changed his name to
Speaker 4: leave Universal Wrestling Company, Incorporated, Georgia Corporation. Upon information, believe
Speaker 4: this corporation merely exists for the benefit of the remaining liabilities. WW.
Speaker 4: We're fourteen pages in count one right.
Speaker 3: Now, it's gonna start talking about what they did wrong.
Speaker 4: Mister Udy adopts re alleges and incorporates hearing and above
Speaker 4: by reference all allegations containing paragraphs one through sixty six
Speaker 4: and the amending complaint fully and completely as if set
Speaker 4: forth here in. Mister Uti had entered into various oral, written, express,
Speaker 4: and implied agreements with defendants, including but not limited to
Speaker 4: oral promise to pay mister Udy for a pay per
Speaker 4: view event in April two thousand and the agreement.
Speaker 3: One of those oral promises from the Russo Bischoff regime.
Speaker 4: YEP, Defense breached the terms of the agreement by, among
Speaker 4: other things, improperly reducing mister UTI's pay, failing to pay
Speaker 4: mister Judy, reducing mister Uty's pay when he was still
Speaker 4: performing for defendance benefit and terminated his agreement. Mister Uy's
Speaker 4: contract provided that wrestler should be paid for a minimum
Speaker 4: eight pay perview events per contractual year. This guaranteed compensation
Speaker 4: is in addition to mister Hudy's regular salary. Mister Uty
Speaker 4: was only paid in full for two pay perviews during
Speaker 4: two year two of his agreement. He was paid one
Speaker 4: half his pay per view guarantee compensation at one hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty seven thousand, five hundred dollars. These just admit
Speaker 4: own mister Uty this guaranteed compensation.
Speaker 3: Defendants owing mister Udy this guaranteed.
Speaker 4: Company defensive breach their agreement by Faund to pay this
Speaker 4: amount for year two, which is one hundred and thirty
Speaker 4: five thousand, five hundred dollars. Defendants, by and through mister
Speaker 4: Eric Bischoff, mister Vince Russo and mister Yuty agreed that
Speaker 4: mister Uty would be paid fifty thousand dollars for an
Speaker 4: extra pay per view event that mister Uty would not
Speaker 4: appeal I have to appear at. He would be paid
Speaker 4: for an extra pay per view event that he would
Speaker 4: not have to appear at. Sounds great disagreement was further ratified.
Speaker 4: But I mean, who fuck agrees to that.
Speaker 3: Well, they're trying to get him to do something, and
Speaker 3: if they offerm fifty grand to do nothing, maybe he'll
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 4: No sense.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, let's not forget a huge part of
Speaker 3: Russo's psychology was always clear out the old guys, you know,
Speaker 3: the old god there were the big earners. In the beginning,
Speaker 3: as he's trying to run Hogan out, you know, in
Speaker 3: the first the first time he got the book, he
Speaker 3: did Hogan lay down for Sting right away and flare
Speaker 3: eggsit the picture is kind of like this thing of like,
Speaker 3: you know, let's let's have these huge earners exit the
Speaker 3: picture until we can weave them back in in a
Speaker 3: company that I can remake in my image while they're gone,
Speaker 3: you know, without their interference.
Speaker 4: Like it's like, but you're going to pay them, Like
Speaker 4: you're you're spending money for nothing?
Speaker 3: What would Yeah, Well there you go. That's WCW for you,
Speaker 3: that's WW for you. You know, yeah, yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 3: in their mind they're doing it for something. They're they're
Speaker 3: doing what it takes to get him to agree to,
Speaker 3: you know, actually strengthen somebody on the way out as
Speaker 3: the outgoing world champion instead of just disappearing without a
Speaker 3: scratch on him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 3: Thing is the creative that came up with was so
Speaker 3: ineffective that whatever they thought they got out of sid
Speaker 3: doing that, no one remembers to this day what he did.
Speaker 4: No one even can remember. Mister Yuti was not paid
Speaker 4: anything in year three of his agreement because the agreement
Speaker 4: was unlawfully and improperly terminated by Defenise. Defendise have breached
Speaker 4: their agreement by failing to pay this one million, three
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty thousand dollars in compensation. Defendants improperly and
Speaker 4: in breaches of the agreement with mister Uti, reduced his
Speaker 4: pay during year two of this agreement. By all these acts,
Speaker 4: defendants breached their duties of good faith and fair dealing.
Speaker 4: As direct and in approximate result of defendants acts, mister
Speaker 4: Uty has suffered harm, including the loss was pay under
Speaker 4: the agreement, loss of endorsements, okay, and status as a performer. Actually,
Speaker 4: when you're out of when you're at a commission, usually
Speaker 4: your status grows.
Speaker 3: Right, that's kind of a specious thing. I've lost my
Speaker 3: status as a performer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, miss okay, whenever you say pal. Mister Ute is
Speaker 4: entitled to damages for the breaches of the agreements, including
Speaker 4: but not limited to you, payment for the other half
Speaker 4: of his guaranteed pay per view events for two thousand
Speaker 4: and two thousand and one at one hundred and thirty
Speaker 4: five five hundred dollars per event, this full value of
Speaker 4: remainder of the agreement from June first, two thousand and
Speaker 4: one until July one, two thousand and two, repayment of
Speaker 4: improperty or improperly reduced salary unturned in the term of
Speaker 4: his agreement, payment for the fifty thousand dollars pay per
Speaker 4: view promised by mister Bischoff, mister Russo and Ms Myers
Speaker 4: uh an officer and employees in WW. In definis, and
Speaker 4: such other damages resulting from defendant's breaches.
Speaker 3: We do remember that those the contract that sid signed
Speaker 3: was backloaded, so the biggest earning year was the last
Speaker 3: year of the contract, right, which fucked them in so
Speaker 3: many ways in WW because when these contracts would reach
Speaker 3: their final years, they couldn't afford any of them because
Speaker 3: revenue had taken such a big hit. But Britain and
Speaker 3: none of them. You know what I mean, many of them.
Speaker 3: And here he's saying June one, twenty oh one to
Speaker 3: July one, twenty oh two, we would have been entitled
Speaker 3: to one point thirty eight million dollars that they did
Speaker 3: not pay because they terminated the contract in March. But
Speaker 3: that's that's a big chunk. That's a lot to count on.
Speaker 3: You're looking at that contract thinking, oh, man, I got
Speaker 3: my biggest year coming up. Yeah, right, ever happens, and
Speaker 3: it never happens in part because you jumped off the
Speaker 3: fucking rope because they made you do it. That's annoying
Speaker 3: as fuck. That must piss him off.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure it does.
Speaker 3: They probably would have moved to terminate his contract anyway,
Speaker 3: but they pulled a game like they did with Hogan
Speaker 3: where he didn't show for something or something make it.
Speaker 3: You know, they had a lot of games, but the
Speaker 3: fact that he was home injured really increased the menu
Speaker 3: of games they could play on this guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it seems like count to breach of fidu
Speaker 4: if what is it deduciary brother, fiduciary bro who breach
Speaker 4: of fiduciary duty. Mister uty adopts real edges and incorporates
Speaker 4: hearing and above Bob reference all allegations containing paragraphs one
Speaker 4: through seventy six of the Amended Complaint fully and completely
Speaker 4: as if set forth hearing. Mister Uti was an independent
Speaker 4: contractor by defendants and provides skills and services for which
Speaker 4: defendants received financial benefits. Mister Uti was convinced to perform
Speaker 4: acts which were injurious and dangerous to him for the
Speaker 4: benefit of the company and to drive up ratings. I
Speaker 4: drove ratings.
Speaker 3: Gott it, I gave up even looking it up. I mean,
Speaker 3: the WCW ratings in two thousand and one were so
Speaker 3: fucking laughable that for him to suggest for a second,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, for a second that the twenty second clip
Speaker 3: they played of him breaking his leg made any difference
Speaker 3: and drived in.
Speaker 4: I mean even I mean even so, like you know,
Speaker 4: you know, driving up ratings for WCW in two thousand,
Speaker 4: thousand and one is not something to brag about. It
Speaker 4: definitely not. You know, mister Uti performed acts for the
Speaker 4: benefit of at defendis assistance, including but not limited to
Speaker 4: making appearances, performing while injured in other acts, sexual acts
Speaker 4: at defendance assistance, and for the express benefit defendants mister
Speaker 4: Uti performed a leave from the top ropes of the ring,
Speaker 4: resulting in both of the bones in his leg breaking
Speaker 4: being broken.
Speaker 3: Well I'm reading here. TSN actually in Canada decided not
Speaker 3: to show the injury, edited it off the Canadian version
Speaker 3: of Nitro.
Speaker 4: That's smart. Yeah. When mister Uti was severely injured on
Speaker 4: the pay per view as a result, Defendance X defendants
Speaker 4: improperly and then bad faith reduced mister Udie's pay and
Speaker 4: then terminate his contract. Defendants capitalized on the nature and
Speaker 4: the severity of mister Utie's injuries incurred as a result
Speaker 4: Defendance misconduct and replayed the incident of live television on
Speaker 4: live Television repeatedly used it as a focal point for
Speaker 4: the for the following week's show by having mister Udie's
Speaker 4: physicians show X rays of mister Udie's leg, describing the
Speaker 4: nature an extent, an extent of the nature and the
Speaker 4: surgery necessary for boats or such an injury, and otherwise
Speaker 4: advertised in promoting the injury. This promotion resulted in higher
Speaker 4: ratings and income for defendants. Defense would retain the benefits
Speaker 4: of this incident, even though defendants had cut mister Ute's
Speaker 4: pay and then terminate his contracts shortly thereafter. As mister
Speaker 4: UTI's contractor employer, performance league, Performance League, and or as
Speaker 4: the prime beneficiary of mister Utie's labors, Defendants owed duties
Speaker 4: to mister Uti, including fiduciary duties, duties of good faith
Speaker 4: and fair dealing. As a result of defendants misconduct, mister
Speaker 4: Uty has suffered damages, including, but not limited to, the
Speaker 4: loss of his agreement and defenance with defancy yeah well
Speaker 4: with defendants, the loss of income associated with his performance,
Speaker 4: the loss of future revenue from his performance, and other damages.
Speaker 4: Defenders contact was grossly intentional, negligent, reckless, willful, wanton, malicious, oppressive,
Speaker 4: and or unmindful of their duty and obligations to plaintiffs,
Speaker 4: and or exhibited that uh that entire, that entire want
Speaker 4: want of care like lacking care. I see that entire
Speaker 4: want of care, which would raise the presumption the presumption
Speaker 4: of conscious and indifference to consequences, so as to warrant
Speaker 4: the imposition of punitive damages in an amount sufficient to punish,
Speaker 4: penalized and or deter defendants from similar conduct in the future.
Speaker 4: Count three unjust enrichment mister Udi adopts real legs and
Speaker 4: prates hearing and above all references by reference all allegations
Speaker 4: containing paragraphs one through eighty five of the Amended Complaint
Speaker 4: fully and completely as if set forth hearing. Defendants had
Speaker 4: an insurance policy cover mister Uti upon information and belief.
Speaker 4: This policy cover the full value of mister Utiy's agreement.
Speaker 4: Defendants capitalize on the name made you're on severity of
Speaker 4: mister Udie's injuries incurred as a result defenders misconduct and
Speaker 4: replayed the incident on live television repeatedly used it as
Speaker 4: a focal point for the following shows by having mister
Speaker 4: Udie's physicians show X rays of mister Udie's leg, describing
Speaker 4: the nature and extent of the injury and the surgery
Speaker 4: necessary for such injury, and otherwise advertising promoting the injury.
Speaker 4: The promotion resulted in higher ratings and income for defenise
Speaker 4: defendants that retained the benefits of this incident, even though
Speaker 4: defendants had cut mister Yute's pay and then terminated his
Speaker 4: show shortly thereafter. Upon mister Ute's injury, which was caused
Speaker 4: by the misconduct of defense, Defendants retained the proceeds of
Speaker 4: the insurance policy and profited from the higher earning ratings
Speaker 4: from the severity of mister Ute's injury, and we're thereby
Speaker 4: unjust and riched. The ill gotten proceeds, including but not
Speaker 4: limited to the insurance proceeds and the proceeds from the
Speaker 4: raised ratings, should be disgorged and given. Mister Yudi. Yes,
Speaker 4: countiforn neligence, Mister Udi adopts real legs and incorporates here
Speaker 4: in and above by reference all allegations contained in Paragraphs
Speaker 4: one through ninety one of the amending complaint fully and completely,
Speaker 4: as if set forth Herein's contractor employer performed league and
Speaker 4: or as the prime beneficiary of mister Uty's labors. Defendants
Speaker 4: owed duties to mister Uty. Defendse breeched their duty to
Speaker 4: the mister Uti by insisting that he performed while he
Speaker 4: was injured and performed moved from the top rope, which
Speaker 4: resulted in serious and permanent damage to mister Uty. As
Speaker 4: a result of definite misconduct, mister Uty has suffered damages,
Speaker 4: including but not limited to the loss of his agreement
Speaker 4: with definance, the loss of income associated with his performance,
Speaker 4: the rest of the cabin the rest performance is the
Speaker 4: loss of future revenue and from his performances and other damages.
Speaker 4: Defendant conduct was grossly intentional, negligent, reckless, willful, wanton, malicious, oppressive,
Speaker 4: and or unmindful of their duty and allegations to plaintiffs,
Speaker 4: and or exhibited that entire want of care. Exhibited that
Speaker 4: entire want of care which would raise the presumption of
Speaker 4: conscious indifference to consequences so as to warrant the imposition
Speaker 4: of punitive damages in an amount sufficient to punish, penalize,
Speaker 4: and or detrue defendance from similar cons in the future.
Speaker 3: Whether the ww had, if nothing else, conscious indifference to consequences.
Speaker 4: Indeed, well, that makes sense obviously Count five. It is
Speaker 4: an eligent infliction of emotional distress. Mister Udi adobts realegenes
Speaker 4: incorporates herein above and by reference all allegations containing paragraphs
Speaker 4: one through ninety six of the many complaints fully incompletely,
Speaker 4: as if set forth arian By insisting that mister Udi
Speaker 4: perform a wrestling move that required him to leave from
Speaker 4: the top rope, mister Lawernitis forced mister Judi to suffer
Speaker 4: a physical impact which resulted in a physical harm to
Speaker 4: mister Udy, Mister Utie's physical injury has caused him into
Speaker 4: much mental UH suffering and emotional distress, for which he
Speaker 4: is entitled to recover in an amount to be determined
Speaker 4: a trial. Defenders conduct was grossly intentional, negligent, reckless, willful, wanton, malicious, oppressive,
Speaker 4: UH and or unmindful of their duty and obligations to plaintiffs,
Speaker 4: and or exhibited that entire want of phraise the presumption,
Speaker 4: raise the presumption of conscious indifference to consequce once so
Speaker 4: as to warrant the UH imposition of punity of damages
Speaker 4: an amount to an amount of sufficient to punish, penalize,
Speaker 4: and in order to tur defendance from similar conducts conduct
Speaker 4: in the future. Count six negligent retention. Mister Udy adopts
Speaker 4: religions incorporates here and above all and by reference, all
Speaker 4: allegations contained in paragraphs Once you one hundred of the
Speaker 4: many complaint fully and completely as if set forth here
Speaker 4: in uw ct S I and TG no knew or
Speaker 4: should have known of mister Lauria's propensity to engage in
Speaker 4: the conduct for which mister from which resulted in mister
Speaker 4: Utie's injury.
Speaker 3: They should have known that mister Laurenidis would insist on
Speaker 3: him doing the move.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Course. The claim is that u w C, TSI
Speaker 4: and TZ breached their duty to mister Udi by retaining
Speaker 4: mister Laurinitis as an employee while knowing he had the
Speaker 4: propensity to engage in the conduct which resulted in mister
Speaker 4: Udie's injury. UWC, TSI and TG's breach caused damage to
Speaker 4: mister Udi and amount to be determined a trial. UH
Speaker 4: defend conduct was grossly intentional. That one.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing again about want of care, okay.
Speaker 4: Count seven tortious interference with contractual relations. Mister Udi adops
Speaker 4: real edges incorporates here in above and all and by
Speaker 4: reference all allegations contained in paragraphs one through one oh
Speaker 4: five and the amended complaint fully and completely as have
Speaker 4: set forth here in. Mister Udi and w CW had
Speaker 4: a valid contract for wrestling services. Mister Laurenitis was not
Speaker 4: a party to the contract between mister Udi and w
Speaker 4: C don' Mister laurenaiis acted intentionally and without privilege or
Speaker 4: justification when he when he induced mister Beauty to engage
Speaker 4: in conduct resulting in his ability to continue business relations
Speaker 4: with w c W. As a result of mister Laurenius's misconduct,
Speaker 4: Mister uty sud subverb damages including but not limited to,
Speaker 4: the loss of his agreement with the defense, the loss
Speaker 4: of becoming, a loss of income associated with his performance,
Speaker 4: the loss of future revenue from his performances, and other damages.
Speaker 3: And this is the want of care again counting. He
Speaker 3: seeks attorney's fees, which is, you know, basic defenders have
Speaker 3: acted in bad faith, been stubbornly litigious, and have caused
Speaker 3: mister Beauty unnecessary trouble and expense. Oh my god, stubbornly litigious. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's uh, that's a rich coming from sid.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right now he gets sued. He doesn't sue as much,
Speaker 3: so it requires reasonable attorney's fees and that the court
Speaker 3: grant him judgment against defendants as follows process be issued
Speaker 3: and served as provided by law. Okay, the court received
Speaker 3: judgment in an amount to be determined at trial. So
Speaker 3: he doesn't name how much he thinks he's entitled to.
Speaker 3: He wants to lead right to a jury. He wants
Speaker 3: a judgment in the amount to be determined a trial
Speaker 3: by the finer. A fact against defendant jointly and severally
Speaker 3: for general special Okay, this is all the stuff he's
Speaker 3: basically requiring to get paid for, in addition to whatever
Speaker 3: judgment that he would get the cost associated with litigation
Speaker 3: attorney's fees of course he once covered, and that there
Speaker 3: be no limitation to the punitive damages or trouble damages
Speaker 3: that he could be in receipt of, and that the
Speaker 3: Court grants such other and further relief as it deems
Speaker 3: just and proper respectfully submitted this fifth day of February
Speaker 3: two thousand and three. So I guess he wasn't lying
Speaker 3: when he said this.
Speaker 12: Was there ever any legal situation with w c W
Speaker 12: over them asking me to do a movie?
Speaker 4: We're comfortable with no.
Speaker 3: So those are the claims of one SID, all of
Speaker 3: the the allegations there around breach of contract, around all
Speaker 3: of this business about cutting his deal in half and
Speaker 3: icing him. Yep uh, that's that's the ways in which
Speaker 3: SID is aggrieved. And we're accustomed by this point to
Speaker 3: to processing various grievances that SID may have it at
Speaker 3: a given point in time. So we've got what was it,
Speaker 3: breach of contract? It was a laundry list, but count
Speaker 3: one breach of contract. He's claiming breach of fiduciary duty,
Speaker 3: which is a money one.
Speaker 4: We have.
Speaker 3: Unjust and Richmond negligence, negligent and infliction of emotional distress,
Speaker 3: negligent retention, tortious interference with contractual relation.
Speaker 4: Tortous interference is one of my favorite fucking it's one
Speaker 4: of my favorite kinds things ever.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite kinds of interference.
Speaker 4: Really. Yes, absolutely outside of interference, we have torchus interference.
Speaker 3: They should use it more in wrestling finishes. And he's
Speaker 3: looking for attorney's fees as well.
Speaker 4: So that's what you know.
Speaker 3: Sid is claiming in a court of law the ways
Speaker 3: in which his rights have been violated as a result
Speaker 3: of what happened at Sin and his leg break. So
Speaker 3: now comes Universal Wrestling Corporation, that is to say, the
Speaker 3: former World Championship Wrestling. They offer their defense in Fulton
Speaker 3: County Court in Georgia, and they're going to go basically
Speaker 3: line by line on the things cit Is alleged. God,
Speaker 3: have we get a perspective of where the erstwhile World
Speaker 3: Championship Wrestling is coming from again? Two years after shutting
Speaker 3: its doors, they're still dealing with this. This is actually
Speaker 3: stamped to April twenty oh two, so just about a
Speaker 3: year after close using they're still dealing with cases like
Speaker 3: this and Boss, I wish you could put your WCW
Speaker 3: lawyer hat on, get your nick Lambro swarmed up and
Speaker 3: deliver us. The response of Universal Wrestling.
Speaker 4: Corporation Answer, Universal Wrestling Corporation, Turner Sports Incorporated, and Turner
Speaker 4: Entertainment Group Incorporated. Yes, defendants, Universal Wrestling Corporation, UWC, Turner
Speaker 4: Sports Incorporated, Turner Sports, and Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated, TEG
Speaker 4: collect Louisa, referred to as defendants hereby answer Plaintiff's complaint
Speaker 4: as follows. First, Defense Defendants respond to the individually numbered
Speaker 4: paragraphs and plaintiffs complaint the complaint as follows. Defendants are
Speaker 4: without knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief as
Speaker 4: to the truth of the allegations contained in the first
Speaker 4: sentence of paragraph one complaint. In response the allegations contained
Speaker 4: in the second sentence of paragraph one of the complaints,
Speaker 4: defendants admit that plaintiff had entered into contracts with defendant
Speaker 4: Universal Wrestling Corporation formerly known as World Championship Wrestling Incorporated, WCW.
Speaker 4: Now paragraph one.
Speaker 3: Of the complaints that they have insufficient information to form
Speaker 3: a belief of You know what, Paragraph one says that
Speaker 3: he lives in Arkansas. I'm sorry, we just we cannot
Speaker 3: confirm that he ever resided in Arkansas. That is just
Speaker 3: something that we don't have evidence of, Nor do we
Speaker 3: desire evidence of that. Yeah, nor are we doing a
Speaker 3: single thing to seek said evidence.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't need to know if he came
Speaker 4: from Arkansas and already reside in Arkansas. What I need
Speaker 4: to tell you is that we don't know, We cannot know.
Speaker 4: We do not have sufficient information or evidence to form
Speaker 4: a belief that he has ever resided in Arkansas.
Speaker 3: Your honor, I don't know, and I wouldn't want to
Speaker 3: know as a wise man.
Speaker 4: Let me just say, your honor, we don't know if
Speaker 4: it's if he's been telling the truth about Arkansas. So therefore,
Speaker 4: how can we tell, well, how can we be sure
Speaker 4: he's told the truth about anything? And with that, I
Speaker 4: submit my motion to dismiss, and with that we rest
Speaker 4: our case. So yeah, that's that's where we're at. It's hilarious.
Speaker 3: So they're defending that he entered into contracts that's big
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 4: We do. We do admit that you know he had
Speaker 4: entered into contracts with defendant Universal Wrestling Corporation formerly known
Speaker 4: as World Championship Wrestling Corporate at the WCW to perform
Speaker 4: services as a professional wrestler. Defendants deny the remaining allegations
Speaker 4: contained in the second sentence a paragraph one of the
Speaker 4: complaints and response the allegation is contained in the first
Speaker 4: sentence of paragraph two of the complaint. Defendants admit that
Speaker 4: defendant Universal Wrestling Corporation is a Georgia corporation formerly known
Speaker 4: as World Championship Wrestling Corporated. Defendants admit the allegations contained
Speaker 4: to the third sentence paragraph two the complaint. Defendants deny
Speaker 4: the allegations contained in the second and fourth sentences a
Speaker 4: paragraph to the complaint, except that they admit that such
Speaker 4: allegations purport to state that UWC is subject to the
Speaker 4: jurisdiction of this Court in this action. Defendants admit the
Speaker 4: allegations contained in the first sentence paragraph.
Speaker 3: Three goes on link jump up to twelve. Please to twelve, okay.
Speaker 4: In response to the allegations a paragraph twelve the complaint,
Speaker 4: defendants admit that for a certain period prior to March
Speaker 4: one in nine, two thousand and one, ww was engaged
Speaker 4: in the business.
Speaker 3: This has to a lawyer was paid to write that sentence.
Speaker 3: I want you to finish it and then read it again.
Speaker 4: Please, was engaged in the business of professional wrestling. In
Speaker 4: response the allegation the paragraph twelve of the complaint, defendants
Speaker 4: admit that for a certain period prior to March twenty nine,
Speaker 4: two thousand and one, WCW was engaged in the business
Speaker 4: a professional.
Speaker 3: Wrestling And just to further drive it home, jumped forward
Speaker 3: too point twenty three, Please.
Speaker 4: For a period prior how about fucking thirty years prior
Speaker 4: for thirty years for a certain period prior to March
Speaker 4: twenty nine, two thousand and one. Believable? Twenty what now?
Speaker 4: Twenty three? Twenty three. In response the allegations contained and
Speaker 4: paragraph twenty three of the complaint, defendants admit that WCW did,
Speaker 4: for a certain period prior to March twenty nine, two
Speaker 4: thousand and one, promote and produce wrestling events. You've got
Speaker 4: to be shitting me, including various times, weekly lab television
Speaker 4: shows and weekly tape television shows. Period of time.
Speaker 3: Please this one's a little more.
Speaker 4: It goes on in time time. In response to the
Speaker 4: allegations containing paragraph thirty one on the complaint, defendant state that,
Speaker 4: at all times relevant to Plaintiff's complaint, w CW and
Speaker 4: its employees abided by the written terms of the agreement
Speaker 4: governing plaintiff's pay.
Speaker 3: They are saying, we, you know, we follow the letter
Speaker 3: of the contract. And whatever it is we did with
Speaker 3: sidspe you.
Speaker 4: Know, we we all bid it. We you know, the
Speaker 4: employees of WWT abided by the of the agreement in
Speaker 4: governing plaintiffs pay. By way of further response, defendant state
Speaker 4: that at all times relevant to Plaintiff's complaint, w CW
Speaker 4: and its employees respected and abided by the work restrictions
Speaker 4: and recovery requirements placed on plaintiffs by his medical doctors.
Speaker 4: Except as specifically stated herein, Defendants are without knowledge or
Speaker 4: information sufficient to formal belief as of the truth the
Speaker 4: allegations contained and paragraph thirty one of the complaint, because
Speaker 4: the allegations do not enter alia, refer to a specific
Speaker 4: time period, nor do they refer to specific LEA number
Speaker 4: forty say about that.
Speaker 3: I say, please jump to number forty two please as
Speaker 3: you continue to pass on tremain points.
Speaker 4: And response to the allegations contain a paragraph forty two
Speaker 4: of the complaint. Defendants admit the plane if performed at
Speaker 4: the January fourteenth, two thousand and one pay per view
Speaker 4: in Indianapolis. In response to the allegations regarding the content
Speaker 4: of the script for the event, Defendants state that the
Speaker 4: script is a written document that speaks for itself.
Speaker 3: As to.
Speaker 4: As the content and legal effect, and defendants deny any
Speaker 4: allegations inconsistent with or contrary to the script, except the
Speaker 4: specifically stated herein. Defendants deny the allegations contain a paragraph
Speaker 4: to the complaint, plain.
Speaker 3: And simple, Absolutely, that's the way we roll. How about
Speaker 3: forty seven as it regards playing the tape of the injury.
Speaker 4: And response to the allegations contained in the first sentence
Speaker 4: of paragraph forty seven the complaint defend and state that
Speaker 4: the tape of the live show is a recorded document
Speaker 4: that speaks for itself as to content and legal effect,
Speaker 4: and defenders deny any allegations inconsistent with or contrary to
Speaker 4: that recording. Defendants deny the remaining allegations contained in paragraph
Speaker 4: forty seven of the complaint. What say you judge a
Speaker 4: country lawyar?
Speaker 8: What was that?
Speaker 3: A country lawyer? Sounds a lot like liar, doesn't it?
Speaker 4: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: So they go point by point after everything Sid said,
Speaker 3: and you know, only grant things that are like dates
Speaker 3: and everything else. They yeah, right right, deny de I deny.
Speaker 4: You know where were that? Knowledge? All right? Or information
Speaker 4: is sufficient to form belief. One can just imagine, you know, well.
Speaker 8: Let me tell you.
Speaker 4: I'll just say this. You know, you know, your honor.
Speaker 4: The thing about professional wrestling is you just don't know
Speaker 4: all right. Now, listen, I've watched the shows. I've seen
Speaker 4: a professional wrestling done in many different kinds of you know,
Speaker 4: we just don't know, right, We don't know what is
Speaker 4: real what is not real. We know that there are
Speaker 4: scripts that determine the outcomes of the matches and that
Speaker 4: kind of dictate certain events happening. But did Sid break
Speaker 4: his leg?
Speaker 8: We do not know.
Speaker 3: He appeared to you know, your honor. But a lot
Speaker 3: of things are what they appear in this world are professional.
Speaker 4: Now, I mean, we're listen, your honor. We live in
Speaker 4: the age of computer generated imagery. Oh my god, he's
Speaker 4: not going all right? And Look, I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, we are without knowledge or or information sufficient
Speaker 4: form of belief as to the truth of the breakage
Speaker 4: of sid Uty's leg We don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 3: So ww Filesy's response going through each point they want
Speaker 3: to make about what fact should be stipulated to. And
Speaker 3: if you think sid Folks is going to go quietly
Speaker 3: without denying these denials, then you haven't been paying very
Speaker 3: close attention to this tribute.
Speaker 4: Oh I like this one number sixty five here though,
Speaker 4: by the way, defense and now the allegations contained a
Speaker 4: paragraph sixty five the complaint, except that they admit that
Speaker 4: WCW sold certain of its assets the WWFE in mark
Speaker 4: two thousand and one. We admit that.
Speaker 3: And look, and we're it's big of us to do that,
Speaker 3: because we could drag this thing out all day on
Speaker 3: the finer points of that statement.
Speaker 4: I don't mind going and listen, I go a word
Speaker 4: by word deny the allegations contained in word one of
Speaker 4: paragraph seventy two of the complaints.
Speaker 3: More than anything, we're interested in your honor, in efficient
Speaker 3: administration of justice in this court and not doing anything
Speaker 3: to impede the proper pace of progress for the docket.
Speaker 3: And so we're not going to drill down and dig
Speaker 3: our heels in on points like that, although we're well
Speaker 3: with then our rights to do it, as I'm sure
Speaker 3: your honor will appreciate, however, because we're just so interested
Speaker 3: in justice being served here and vicious being served.
Speaker 4: Here and psycho being served. Yeah, I think you say
Speaker 4: that again. So yes, this is and I just want
Speaker 4: to say, also your in response the allegations contained in
Speaker 4: paragraph nine, if I have defendants admit that plaintiff seeks
Speaker 4: the damages, stated deny that they have engaged any wrongdoing,
Speaker 4: of course, I mean, Jesus, we do. We admit he
Speaker 4: is seeking damages, he is bringing up a lawsuit.
Speaker 3: We're not too We're not you know, too proud of
Speaker 3: ourselves to admit that. I that if they just said,
Speaker 3: like like a like a number sixty eight defendant admits wrongdoing,
Speaker 3: just put it in there since anyone noticed.
Speaker 2: Of you.
Speaker 4: First, we admit breach a contracts, but we deny that
Speaker 4: the breach of contract had any sufficient evidence and information
Speaker 4: that provide possible, you know, said breach is a proper
Speaker 4: propriet what in your honor?
Speaker 3: It may surprise you to learn that the defense is
Speaker 3: not interested in contesting the claims of mister Udy, that,
Speaker 3: in fact, it was written into the script that he
Speaker 3: take off that metal rope, and that he did, and
Speaker 3: that he was you know, ordered to do it over
Speaker 3: and above his his objections. We're not We're not going
Speaker 3: to dispute that. We will admit that as a fact,
Speaker 3: that he was pushed and pressured into doing it. I
Speaker 3: guess the question, then, your honor becomes, so what right
Speaker 3: what of it as it regards our case?
Speaker 4: You know, we you know, we we deny the allegations
Speaker 4: contained in the paragraphs such and such, But I do
Speaker 4: want to say we do admit that, said you, he
Speaker 4: volunteered to break his own leg I ask you, and
Speaker 4: I asked you.
Speaker 3: I put it that way, your honor, after just saying
Speaker 3: that we pressured him to do it, so to have
Speaker 3: you consider, I think what will come to be the
Speaker 3: most important question in this case. In a world where
Speaker 3: nothing is real, what is the difference between us forcing
Speaker 3: him to do it and him unteering to do it?
Speaker 4: In a world where nothing is real? Can we determine
Speaker 4: what is fake? Right?
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Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's on the floors late snapped and half yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: yes I have And I'm going to put you in
Speaker 4: one in a second. That was good.
Speaker 3: And sure his leg appears to be dangling there on
Speaker 3: the canvas, But these guys are especially good at making
Speaker 3: you believe that they're really hurt, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean I could come in here and tell you
Speaker 4: that I've broken my arm and that I've been stabbed
Speaker 4: five times, and you know what, chances are you wouldn't
Speaker 4: believe it. But if Sid came in here and told
Speaker 4: you the same thing, I think you would. I think
Speaker 4: you would believe it. Whether or not it happened, is imitated.
Speaker 3: So I guess the most important point is when Sid
Speaker 3: wants to claim unjustin Richmond because World Champed Wrestling was
Speaker 3: capitalizing from a ratings perspective by showing the recorded videotape
Speaker 3: of him snapping his leg in half. You have to
Speaker 3: put yourself your honor, I would suggest, in the seat
Speaker 3: of the wrestling fan, the consumer that allegedly is enriching
Speaker 3: World Championship Wrestling by viewing this tape the night after
Speaker 3: the injury, and ask yourself, what is there a chance
Speaker 3: in hell, your honor, part of my language, that that
Speaker 3: fan thinks that injury is real.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I'm just going to say this right
Speaker 4: and you know, your honor, we have we have seen
Speaker 4: a multitude of different, you know, different sort of wrestling
Speaker 4: events over the years, you know, especially in the last
Speaker 4: I'm going to say five, five to ten years. You know,
Speaker 4: we've seen an increase of violence in the in the
Speaker 4: in the entertainment world of professional wrestling. And I'm just
Speaker 4: going to say, you know, you got guys who jump
Speaker 4: off twenty foot high cages and go through table. Have
Speaker 4: you seen that clip before? You've seen that footage that man,
Speaker 4: that ugly man with the mask and he's wearing the
Speaker 4: shirt and he gets.
Speaker 3: Tossed off the case counselor and he's wearing a shoe, and.
Speaker 4: You know what, he didn't break a bone in his body.
Speaker 4: Now you're going to tell me that a man who
Speaker 4: was tossed twenty feet down and didn't break a bone
Speaker 4: in his body, and then you have Sid who's jumping
Speaker 4: two feet off the ground and he breaks his leg.
Speaker 3: Come on, I respectfully submit, I mean, your honor.
Speaker 4: They know how to fall. I mean, let me tell you,
Speaker 4: I know for a fact, and I've been that. They
Speaker 4: learn how to fall right. They are trained to fall
Speaker 4: right up the road here in Smyrna.
Speaker 3: They got a big old power plant facility they call it,
Speaker 3: and those guys go in there and they train to
Speaker 3: pretend to get hurt.
Speaker 4: It's right. So I ask you, your honor, what is believability?
Speaker 4: What is truth? Right? What is honor? And what the
Speaker 4: fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 3: He's playing into the judge and not wanting to deal
Speaker 3: with wrestling. I believe he said, among other things. I
Speaker 3: believe he said, and correct me if I'm wrong, Boss
Speaker 3: to the judge in this case, what is honor?
Speaker 4: I mean, isn't that?
Speaker 3: Isn't that where this all starts litigating Sid's injury?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 4: It does. What is honor right?
Speaker 3: We can agree on that. We're getting nowhere. So again,
Speaker 3: if you don't think Sid's going to come back on
Speaker 3: those point for points with his own point for points,
Speaker 3: you have n't been paying attention exactly. I'll ask you
Speaker 3: to pull up the twenty oh two document that ends
Speaker 3: in response. So what this is, yes, is Sid coming
Speaker 3: back and responding to every single denial the w cd
Speaker 3: we made about the many claims he laid out in
Speaker 3: his initial complaint.
Speaker 4: Comes now, okay, comes now playing if Sydney Rudy here
Speaker 4: after mister g or plaintiff and Files' response to defending
Speaker 4: statement of the theories of recovery? What is a fucking college.
Speaker 3: Class that had been a good name for him in
Speaker 3: Spivey's tag team theories of recovery.
Speaker 4: And the unispeeded material facts showing the course follows theories
Speaker 4: of recovery. Plaineiffs preacher contract claims fail as a matter
Speaker 4: of law because WCW's termination of the independent contractor agreement
Speaker 4: the quote agreement complied with the clear, unambiguous terms of
Speaker 4: the agreement.
Speaker 3: That is a said characterizing WCW's claimed that they were legit.
Speaker 3: So each one of these is going to start with
Speaker 3: him repeating what WCW is claiming and then adding his response,
Speaker 3: which is yes, you can tell when Sid's response starts
Speaker 3: when you're heard the word denied.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, exactly defend his contact rendered mister Yudie's performance
Speaker 4: of his contractual obligations impossible. Plaint's breach of contract claims
Speaker 4: fail as a matter of law because each of WCW's
Speaker 4: reductions of planets pay complied with the clear on ambiguous
Speaker 4: terms of the agreement. Denied yes defendant his conduct rendered
Speaker 4: mister Yudie's performance of his contractual obligations impossible.
Speaker 3: You made it impossible for me to perform my contractual obligations.
Speaker 4: That's what he is saying. Here's the thing. You want
Speaker 4: me to be obligated. I don't accept obligation, but I'll
Speaker 4: tell you what you denied me obligation.
Speaker 3: How can I perform these obligations if you make performing.
Speaker 4: The denied me obligatory duties.
Speaker 3: You denied obligation, denied me the ability to oblige.
Speaker 4: You denied me the ability to oblige or to not oblige.
Speaker 4: Plaine's breach of contract fails as a matter of law
Speaker 4: because WSW complied with the clear on ambiguous terms of
Speaker 4: the agreement outlining its obligations to pay plaintiff for pay
Speaker 4: per view advance. Denied defenders contract rendered mister Yudi's performance
Speaker 4: of his contractual obligations impossible.
Speaker 3: I'm smelling a denied T shirt in the cy.
Speaker 4: You think so. Plaine's breach of contract claims fail as
Speaker 4: a matter of law because the terms the agreement could
Speaker 4: not orally be amended denied. The agreement was not required
Speaker 4: to be amended. It's specifically provided for further pay per
Speaker 4: views BIS language.
Speaker 3: So he's saying, I don't know what he's saying. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter that Russo and Bischoff verbal. He told him
Speaker 3: we'll pay you for a pay per view. You don't
Speaker 3: have to work because the contract laid out consideration for
Speaker 3: what happened if they were to add a pay per
Speaker 3: view to the talents and the minimum guarantee.
Speaker 4: Plainiffs claims for breach of figuciary duty, unjust enrichment, negligence,
Speaker 4: negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligent retention, and tortious interference
Speaker 4: with contractual relations fail as a matter of law because
Speaker 4: the plantif agreed to accept workers' compensation coverage as his
Speaker 4: sole and exclusive remedy against WCW, including its affiliates, employees,
Speaker 4: and agents, and for any and all injuries sustained during
Speaker 4: the term of the green.
Speaker 3: Is failure to agree to accept workers Okay, so they're saying,
Speaker 3: if you get workers comp you agree in exchange that
Speaker 3: that is all you can seek from us. If you
Speaker 3: get injured on the job, you can't then sue us
Speaker 3: for more money stemming from that injury. That's what they're
Speaker 3: trying to say. And I wonder if SID would agree
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 4: Boss did not. Misteries claims fall with an exception community
Speaker 4: under the gw c A.
Speaker 3: W c A is the Georgia Workers Compensation Association, which
Speaker 3: is now not a union of professional wrestlers.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, listen, I mean the fact that it's
Speaker 4: called the Workers comp Okay, oh my god, amazing. I mean,
Speaker 4: for what it's worth.
Speaker 3: G w c A is also Georgia Wrestling Coaches Association.
Speaker 4: That's no coincidence, as it also could be the Joy
Speaker 4: Your Wrestling Championships as well. I guess that'd be the
Speaker 4: governing board of Georgia Championship Wrestling Georgia Wrestling Championship Asociations.
Speaker 3: But what he's saying is that there's an exception under
Speaker 3: the state law that governs governs workers Camp that allows
Speaker 3: him to sue for more money even if that clause exists.
Speaker 4: Is to be sick. I can sue if I want to.
Speaker 4: I will take your fucking money because I am it.
Speaker 3: The g w c A sid's favorite law.
Speaker 4: Another word something right now, you look at me dead
Speaker 4: in the eye. I going to you some real simple
Speaker 4: you'll fuck with me? You you'll fuck with the gw.
Speaker 8: C A.
Speaker 4: Sid's promotion.
Speaker 3: The gw that's money.
Speaker 4: People have no idea.
Speaker 3: And he's saying that there's you know that an employer.
Speaker 3: You know they can claim immunity under workers comp per
Speaker 3: the state law, but there are exceptions to that immunity,
Speaker 3: and that what happened to him falls under one of
Speaker 3: those exceptions. So WCW can't cite immunity under the state
Speaker 3: law to further.
Speaker 4: Playing claim for breach of fijiercia duty. That's how we'd
Speaker 4: say it.
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to correct you.
Speaker 4: Unjustin Richmond, negligence, negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligy, retention
Speaker 4: and tortures interference with contractual relations are barred by statutory
Speaker 4: provisions of the Georgia Workers' Compensation Act. Denied. What do
Speaker 4: you know, take another shot? If you're playing along at home,
Speaker 4: mister yes, claims fault within an exception to immunity under
Speaker 4: w E G W G or GCA. Plaintiff's claim for
Speaker 4: unjust in Richmond fails as a matter of law because
Speaker 4: a valid contract existed between plaintiff and WCW denied.
Speaker 3: Do you think he agrees that a valid contract existed
Speaker 3: between plaintiff and WCW. If I know, Sid, that is
Speaker 3: a non starter.
Speaker 4: Now, I don't mind telling you something right now. Then
Speaker 4: when it comes to valid contractual obligations, SID is not
Speaker 4: obligated to abide. I guess he's not. The dude. Defense
Speaker 4: were unjustly enriched by continuous television replay of mister Yudi's
Speaker 4: injury denied. Plainiff claim for unjust in Richmond fails as
Speaker 4: a matter of law because the undisputed facts show that
Speaker 4: defendants were not und just The and rich as a
Speaker 4: result of plaintiff's injury denied defendants were unjustly enriched by
Speaker 4: continuous television replays of mister UD's injury and use of
Speaker 4: the leg breaker storyline. The leg breaker storyline, Yes, indeed,
Speaker 4: whoa brother? What here was leg breaker? What's going on? Dude?
Speaker 4: They would go on take breaker claim breaking? You're breaking
Speaker 4: Hulk Hogan's leg. No, I got leg drop, dude, whose
Speaker 4: leg matters more?
Speaker 3: I'm a little sick of people twisting my leg At
Speaker 3: this point, brother, I might as well broke.
Speaker 4: I'm probably understanding exactly why I'm getting sued, right, that's
Speaker 4: a great question. Why am I getting sued by Sid? Brother?
Speaker 3: If you're curious, the leg breaker storyline was basically they
Speaker 3: did this like really ham fisted thing where Scott Steiner
Speaker 3: after Sinn would claim that somehow he was responsible for
Speaker 3: breaking Sid's leg in the match, which is hilarious because
Speaker 3: it doesn't do.
Speaker 4: When he fucking like uh uh, get it all, like
Speaker 4: ready to go, and then he jumped.
Speaker 3: Right, I guess somehow when Sid kicked him, the power
Speaker 3: of Scott Steiner exploded on his leg and shattered his bones.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Ridiculous plainest claims for breach of fiduciary duty, negligence,
Speaker 4: negligien and fiction of emotional distress, negligent retention, tortures, interference
Speaker 4: with contractual relations all fail as a matter of law
Speaker 4: because they are precluded by a doctrine of assumption of risk.
Speaker 3: Can we try something, bosses?
Speaker 4: We go through this? When? When?
Speaker 3: When you read the part where SID is characterizing w
Speaker 3: CW's position on the matter. Yes, this is a challenge.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever asked you to do this before.
Speaker 3: Can you do SID making fun of w CW's lawyer.
Speaker 4: In that god like you know?
Speaker 3: And then the denied is in Sid's voice, So people
Speaker 3: can more clearly delineate at home.
Speaker 13: All right, let me do plain is claim for breach
Speaker 13: of fiduciary deity, negligence, negligent and infliction of emotional distress,
Speaker 13: negligent retention, tortures, interference with contractual relations all fail as
Speaker 13: a matter of law because they're precluded by the doctrine
Speaker 13: of the assumption of risk.
Speaker 4: Did not Yes, mister Uty's claims are not subject to
Speaker 4: the assumption of risk doctrine d towsw's will for action. Wow. Moreover,
Speaker 4: mister Uti did not assume that his leg would be
Speaker 4: broken in half destructions of defendants. Can I ask you
Speaker 4: to read that again? Please? Yes? Indeed, moreover, mister Uty
Speaker 4: did not assume that his leg would be broken in
Speaker 4: half as a result of the instructions by defendants.
Speaker 3: So like, don't come in, don't come and claim that
Speaker 3: the doctrine of assumption of risk that's contained in the
Speaker 3: document in the law covers this.
Speaker 6: Because now I don't know which doctrine you're talking about.
Speaker 6: But I talk to doctor Drews.
Speaker 3: I know I assume risk when I go out there
Speaker 3: every night. I know I assume risk, and I know
Speaker 3: the contract says I assume risk. But I ask you, this,
Speaker 3: does the risk conclude snapping my leg in half?
Speaker 4: I assume risk. I assume all sorts of things when
Speaker 4: I go out there in the ring, But I do
Speaker 4: not assume to know the future.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's what you're claiming that that's among the
Speaker 3: risks I assume.
Speaker 4: So I do not assume that I will come back dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's now we're falling into the own heart lawsuit territory.
Speaker 4: Unable to contribute and support my family right, unable to
Speaker 4: go to sporting events in order to talk down to
Speaker 4: my dumb ass son. What do you think I assume?
Speaker 3: Do you think I Do you think I assume the
Speaker 3: risk of a garage full of viennas?
Speaker 4: You think I go home assuming that Frank hasn't delivered
Speaker 4: the venus to the cathedral, He.
Speaker 11: Said, my church to Casey Vienna sausages and I sent
Speaker 11: him an autograph picture picture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, someone was very e T C H E R.
Speaker 3: Somebody pointing that out on Patreon, and it's very clear,
Speaker 3: it's very keen of an observation. I'll tell you what
Speaker 3: I'll I'll jump in here as i'll read ww's position
Speaker 3: could be funny, I have said response to a different voice,
Speaker 3: all right, number ten here. Plaintiff's claim for breach of
Speaker 3: fiduciary duty fails as a matter of law because the
Speaker 3: record is undisputed that no fiduciary relationship existed between plaintiff
Speaker 3: and any defendant.
Speaker 10: Good a confidential relationship existed between WCW and mister duty,
Speaker 10: and therefore w CW oed mystery fier duties.
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claims for negligence fails as a matter of law
Speaker 3: because none of the defendants owed any legal duty to
Speaker 3: the plaintiff.
Speaker 4: Dend w c W had a legal duty to maintain
Speaker 4: a safe work environment.
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claims for negligence fails as a matter of law
Speaker 3: because plaintiff cannot establish that any defendant breached any duty
Speaker 3: owed to plaintiff, or that any alleged breach by any
Speaker 3: defendant proximately caused plaintiff's injury denied.
Speaker 4: W c W had a legal duty to maintain a
Speaker 4: safe work environment, and a breach of this duty caused
Speaker 4: mister beauty damage.
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claim for negligent infliction of emotional distress fails as
Speaker 3: a matter of law because Plaintiff's injuries were not caused
Speaker 3: by a negligent act of any defendant.
Speaker 4: Denied, Mister Ute's injury was caused b the negligent acts
Speaker 4: of w CW's agents.
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claim for negligent retention fails as a matter of
Speaker 3: law because defendant Laurionitis had no propensity to engage in
Speaker 3: dangerous or tortious conduct.
Speaker 11: To god.
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claim for negligent retention fails as a matter of
Speaker 3: law because neither WCWTSI nor teg knew that defendant Laurionitis
Speaker 3: had any alleged dangerous propensity. Plaintiff's claims for tortious interference
Speaker 3: with contractual relations fails as a matter of law because
Speaker 3: defendant Lauranitis did not intend to injure plaintiff or plaintiff's
Speaker 3: relationship with WCW. Plaintiff's claims for tortious interference with contractual
Speaker 3: relations fails as a matter of law because neither defendant
Speaker 3: Laurionitis not any other defendant induced a third party not
Speaker 3: to enter or contecty business relationship.
Speaker 4: With no what I do? You know what I can
Speaker 4: tell you right now. I wish not induced. I wash
Speaker 4: not induced by either defendant.
Speaker 3: I was not john naturally.
Speaker 4: I was not induced. I gave birth to Tyrrell and
Speaker 4: not on a natural basis. Third month, third party, third year.
Speaker 4: Were you a C section baby?
Speaker 3: No, I was delivered on a natural basis, in while
Speaker 3: Jesse was delivered on army basis.
Speaker 4: He toured army basis, all right.
Speaker 3: In a related note, that one's denied too, if you're
Speaker 3: wondering denied, Plaintiff's claim for tortous interference with contractual relations
Speaker 3: fails as a matter of law because defendant Lorinitis was
Speaker 3: not a stranger to the contract quote unquote between plaintiff
Speaker 3: and WCW. Batiff's claims against defendant Lorinitis for alleged breach
Speaker 3: of fiduciary duty, negligence, negligent and infliction of emotional distress
Speaker 3: and tortuous interference with contractual relations are barred by the
Speaker 3: two years statute of limitations set forth in the OCGA.
Speaker 4: Tonight, the minute complaint relates back to the original complaint,
Speaker 4: which was filed within the statutory period.
Speaker 3: All right, fine, how about we state undisputed material facts?
Speaker 3: How about number one? Plaintiff, Sidney r Uti, is a
Speaker 3: professional wrestler who is professionally known as Sid Vicious. Admitting
Speaker 3: defendant Johnny Lorinidis is a former employee of WCW. Admitted
Speaker 3: at all times relevant to Plaintiff's claims, Laurionidis worked with
Speaker 3: WCW's wrestlers and agents to plan and coordinate the moves
Speaker 3: of WCW's wrestlers in matches.
Speaker 4: Admitted honor.
Speaker 3: About June ninth, nineteen ninety nine, WCWAN plaintiff entered into
Speaker 3: an agreement entitled Independent Contractor Agreement.
Speaker 4: Admitted.
Speaker 3: Under the terms of the agreement, Plaintiff expressly agreed that
Speaker 3: he would perform the services agreed to as an independent contractor.
Speaker 4: Admitting the agreement speaks for itself.
Speaker 3: The term of the agreement was for three years, unless
Speaker 3: earlier terminated. In accordance with the terms of the contract,
Speaker 3: the term was divided into consecutive one year periods.
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks for itself.
Speaker 3: The agreement expressly provided the WCW had the right to
Speaker 3: terminate the agreement at the end of any one year
Speaker 3: period for any reason. Let me read you the excerpt
Speaker 3: from the agreement. During any one year period, WCW may
Speaker 3: terminate this agreement with or without cause, after giving wrestler
Speaker 3: at least three months prior notice of such termination. Any
Speaker 3: such termination shall be effective at the end of the
Speaker 3: then current one year period.
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks for self.
Speaker 3: Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Plaintiff's compensation under the agreement
Speaker 3: was set forth an Exhibit A to the agreement.
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks fortune.
Speaker 3: In addition to plaintiff's salary amounts, Exhibit A provided the
Speaker 3: WCW would pay plaintiff a bonus each time he appeared
Speaker 3: and performed on air at any WCW pay per view event.
Speaker 4: Admitted, agreement speaks for self.
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's pay per view bonus was fifty thousand dollars per
Speaker 3: pay per view event for the first year of the
Speaker 3: agreement and fifty five thousand dollars per pay per view
Speaker 3: event for the second year of the agreement.
Speaker 4: Admitted agreement speaks.
Speaker 3: For self admitted a exhibit A to the agreement there
Speaker 3: was a slip of the tongue. Admitted A admitted exhibit
Speaker 3: A to the agreement also provided that plaintiff would be
Speaker 3: paid for a minimum of eight pay per view events
Speaker 3: per contractual year.
Speaker 4: Admitted agreement speaks for self.
Speaker 3: Under the terms of the agreement, if plaintiff became incapacitated
Speaker 3: such that he was unable to perform all of the
Speaker 3: physical requirements of a professional wrestler, he would continue to
Speaker 3: receive his full compensation for the first cumulative thirty calendar
Speaker 3: days of incapacity per contract year.
Speaker 4: Admitted agreement. Space Force agreement.
Speaker 3: Further provides if wrestler remains incapacitated after the initial thirty
Speaker 3: day incapacity period, whether consecutive or not, w UCW shall
Speaker 3: have the option at any point during which wrestler thereafter
Speaker 3: remains incapacitated to terminate this agreement without further obligation.
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks.
Speaker 3: Forselfs If plaintiff remained incapacitated after the initial thirty day
Speaker 3: in capacity period, in WCW elected not to terminate the agreement,
Speaker 3: WCW agreed to the following pay schedule. Here it is
Speaker 3: unless and until WCW shall exercise such right to terminate
Speaker 3: this agreement on the basis of incapacity. WCW sshall A
Speaker 3: continue to pay wrestler under this agreement at the rate
Speaker 3: of one third, that is, thirty three point three percent
Speaker 3: of the compensation otherwise payable here under. Or B utilize
Speaker 3: wrestler for non wrestling services and pay wrestler at the
Speaker 3: rate of one half fifty percent of the compensation otherwise
Speaker 3: payable here under. Wrestler's ability to perform non wrestling services
Speaker 3: shall be determined by WCW. While wrestler is being paid
Speaker 3: pursuant to either A or B, all other terms of
Speaker 3: this agreement shall remain in full force.
Speaker 4: Agreement speaks for self.
Speaker 3: Under the terms of the agreement, Plane INVOLVESO agreed to
Speaker 3: accept workers compensation benefits as his sole and exclusive remedy
Speaker 3: against WCW for any and all injuries he sustained during
Speaker 3: the term of the agreement. Quote. Wrestler acknowledges his present
Speaker 3: eligibility for workers compensation through WCW for so long as
Speaker 3: WCW maintains workers compensation coverage wrestler agrees to accept the
Speaker 3: benefits provided by said workers compensation coverage as his sole
Speaker 3: and exclusive remedy against WCW, including its parent affiliates, employees,
Speaker 3: and agents, for any and all injuries sustained during the term,
Speaker 3: provided said coverage is maintained by WCW. That is an
Speaker 3: effect with respect to such injury.
Speaker 4: I mean the agreement speaks for self.
Speaker 3: The agreement provided that it could not be orally modified.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 3: No waiver, termination or discharge of this agreement, or any
Speaker 3: of the terms or provision thereof, shall be binding upon
Speaker 3: either party here too. Unless confirmed in writing, this agreement
Speaker 3: may not be modified or amended except by a writing
Speaker 3: executed by both parties.
Speaker 4: Admitted that Greenman speaks for sale.
Speaker 3: During this period June ninth, nineteen ninety nine through March eighteenth,
Speaker 3: two thousand, plaintiff performed as a professional wrestler for WCW,
Speaker 3: and WCW paid him the full compensation set forth in
Speaker 3: the agreement. Admitted admitted he thought her about March nineteenth,
Speaker 3: two thousand, plaintiffs strained the rotator cuff and his shoulder
Speaker 3: during a pay per view match in Miami, Florida.
Speaker 4: That's new admitted, mister U suffered a shoulder injury as
Speaker 4: a result of WCW's actions. Did you have to add
Speaker 4: that at the end, sir? Could you just admit it?
Speaker 4: Tell I admit that they denied me. They admit they
Speaker 4: denied me.
Speaker 3: Health wrongfully, right wrongfully denied me health. During the period
Speaker 3: March nineteenth, two thousand April tenth, two thousand, w CW
Speaker 3: paid plaintiff one hundred percent of the compensation payable to
Speaker 3: him under the agreement. During an April tenth, two thousand
Speaker 3: performance at a wrestling event in Denver, Colorado, plaintiff injured
Speaker 3: his neck and back when he allowed his opponent to
Speaker 3: throw him through a table at the conclusion of the performance.
Speaker 3: Allowed allowed, Oh yes, yeah, we didn't want to. We
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to indicate for a second that it's real.
Speaker 4: In this filing, mister Udy admitss it he suffered an injury,
Speaker 4: but he was forced to wrestle by w CW's agents and.
Speaker 3: Shun now about that. I admit I suffered an injury,
Speaker 3: but I was forced to wrestle.
Speaker 4: It's so funny.
Speaker 3: Anytime Sid complains about an injury, just know that he's
Speaker 3: more than willing to wrestle hurt, but he's not above
Speaker 3: saying you made me wrestle when I was hurt.
Speaker 4: After Yeah, right, listen, listen, he'll do it. And then
Speaker 4: if anything bad happens and you fuck him over in
Speaker 4: any way or he thinks you fucked him over, you
Speaker 4: know it's your fault.
Speaker 3: And as a result of this April ten, two thousand
Speaker 3: and shoulder injury, plaintiff became incapacitated and wasn't able to
Speaker 3: perform any wrestling services for WCW.
Speaker 4: Admitted mister gud suffered his shoulder injury at the insistence
Speaker 4: of ww's agents.
Speaker 3: Okay, he said he suffered the shoulder injury at the
Speaker 3: insistence of ww's agents, who I guess stood around and said,
Speaker 3: suffer a shoulder injury, sir.
Speaker 4: Now I went back there and they say, you know
Speaker 4: what if you get out, if you walk out of
Speaker 4: that arena and you don't have a shoulder injury, you're
Speaker 4: fucking fined.
Speaker 3: I want to see a shoulder injured now.
Speaker 5: Now, you got to injury that fucking shoulder. Waiting, pal,
Speaker 5: I'm still waiting for you to injury yourself.
Speaker 4: I'll get it.
Speaker 3: Trust me, it's hot it's an hour day or later,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna get you injured sid. WCW continued to
Speaker 3: pay plaintiff one hundred percent of his compensation for the
Speaker 3: first thirty calendar days that plaintiff was incapacitated as a
Speaker 3: result of the shoulder entry he suffered during the Denver
Speaker 3: pay per view. It wasn't a pay per view, but
Speaker 3: SID nonetheless at or in the period May eleventh, two
Speaker 3: thousand through June eighth, two thousand, WCW used plaintiff for
Speaker 3: non wrestling services and paid him at the contractually agreed
Speaker 3: upon fifty percent of the compensation payable to him under
Speaker 3: the agreement.
Speaker 4: Mister Edi missed the pay was wrongfully reduced to fifty
Speaker 4: during this time What does he admit again? Mister Yudi
Speaker 4: admits that his pay was wrongfully reduced to fifty percent
Speaker 4: during this time.
Speaker 3: Period in accordance with paragraphs fully reduced. You're cutting out
Speaker 3: over and over again.
Speaker 4: Oh, wrongfully reduced.
Speaker 3: In accordance with paragraph eight of the agreement. During the
Speaker 3: period June ninth, two thousand through July eighth, two thousand,
Speaker 3: WCW paid plaintiff one of the compensation payable to him
Speaker 3: under the agreement. During the period June ninth, two thousand
Speaker 3: through July eight, two thousand, w wu's plaintiff for non
Speaker 3: wrestling services only.
Speaker 8: Did not.
Speaker 4: Mister Yu's pay was wrongfully reduced to fifty percent during
Speaker 4: this period time period.
Speaker 3: In December of two thousand, plaintiff's doctor cleared him to
Speaker 3: resume full wrestling services.
Speaker 4: Admitted okay.
Speaker 3: In December two thousand, plaintiff resumed full wrestling services under
Speaker 3: the agreement and his salary was fully restored.
Speaker 4: Admitted.
Speaker 3: On January fourteen, two thousand and one, plaintiff performed a
Speaker 3: pay per view performance in Indianapolis, Indiana. Admitted, in preparing
Speaker 3: for the January fourteen, two thousand and one performance of Laurentidis,
Speaker 3: plaintiff voluntarily agreed to perform a move that required him
Speaker 3: to jump off the second rope surrounding the wrestling ring
Speaker 3: and kick one of his opponents in the face.
Speaker 4: Mister Uty admits that he was forced to perform move
Speaker 4: by wsw's agent, including by not limited to mister Lauraidis.
Speaker 3: When plaintiff performed the move during the match on January fourteen,
Speaker 3: two thousand and one, plaintiff did not kick his opponent
Speaker 3: and plaintiff landed on the canvas on his left leg.
Speaker 4: Mister Udy admits he performed move and that mister Steiner
Speaker 4: was not where he was supposed to be. Mister udi
Speaker 4: ad missed it. He fell on his left heel.
Speaker 3: So this is this is indicating the WW is prepared
Speaker 3: to argue boss that yes, we had him do the move,
Speaker 3: but it's his fault that he landed on his leg,
Speaker 3: not ours.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, well, hold on, but it says up
Speaker 4: there that he voluntarily did it. He voluntarily agreed to
Speaker 4: perform the move, right, And then he's saying he's forced
Speaker 4: to perform the move and it's.
Speaker 3: Not our fault that said that Scott Steiner was out
Speaker 3: of position, because if Scott Steiner was standing where he
Speaker 3: was supposed to stand, then said wouldn't have suffered this
Speaker 3: injury performing the move that we demanded he'd perform, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, why is everybody c WCW's perspective in all
Speaker 3: this right amazing? Okay, Yeah, and mister Steiner was not
Speaker 3: really needed to be. As a result of the fall,
Speaker 3: plaintiff suffered a double compound fracture of his left leg,
Speaker 3: admitting this injury occurred incurred by plaintiff at the general
Speaker 3: pay per view render him makapacitated and unable to wrestle.
Speaker 4: Mister Edia admits and leg injury made it impossible for
Speaker 4: him to wrestle professionally, and that WCW deemed him incapacitive.
Speaker 3: I could not wrestle professionally, but I will not accept
Speaker 3: that that means I was incapacitated. As the result of
Speaker 3: plaintiff's incapacity, WCW reduced Plaintiff's compensation to fifty percent of
Speaker 3: the compensation payable to him under the agreement as of
Speaker 3: January fifteen, two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits that his pay was wrongfully reduced to
Speaker 4: fifty percent the day after he performed the move at
Speaker 4: the behest of w CW.
Speaker 3: On March first, two thousand and one, Diana Meyers, ww's
Speaker 3: director of Legal and Business Affairs spoke with plaintiff on
Speaker 3: the phone and informed him that WCW was exercising its
Speaker 3: options under section eight B of the agreement to terminate
Speaker 3: plaintiff's contract effective June eight, two thousand and one. Admitted
Speaker 3: on March first, two thousand and one, Miss Meyers sent
Speaker 3: to plaintiff via federal express written confirmation that WW was
Speaker 3: exercising its option under Section eight B of the agreement
Speaker 3: to terminate plaintiff's contract at maww's contermination was effective as
Speaker 3: of June eighth, two thousand and one, more than three
Speaker 3: months after the date of the written notice, and at
Speaker 3: the end of the second year of the agreement.
Speaker 4: At may to receive no wait no wait. So if
Speaker 4: it's effective after the company goes under, is it still
Speaker 4: an effect? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean because UWC is formed to continue the business
Speaker 3: affairs of WCW. So yeah, any contracts WW doesn't buy
Speaker 3: remain on the books of UWC, and it's up to
Speaker 3: them to deal with and resolve one way or the other.
Speaker 4: I see.
Speaker 3: Plantiff received three fifty five thousand dollars pay per view
Speaker 3: payments during the second year of the agreement admitted honor.
Speaker 3: About May eighteen, two thousand and one, plaintiff received in
Speaker 3: cash to check from WCW oh the old the Hogan
Speaker 3: oh Boy thing guilt for cashing checks. Plaintiff received in
Speaker 3: cash to check from WCW for one hundred and thirty seven,
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars, which represented payment for his remaining five
Speaker 3: pay per views of the second year of the agreement
Speaker 3: at fifty percent of the compensation payable under the agreement.
Speaker 4: Mister U admits he received and posited the check for
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty seven five hundred dollars, representing fifty
Speaker 4: percent of his pay per view money for year two.
Speaker 4: Mister E also admits that he is entitled to the
Speaker 4: remaining fifty percent.
Speaker 3: Your goddamn right, he is, buddy, I did god cash
Speaker 3: that check should have been more. WCW maintained workers compensation
Speaker 3: coverage for plaintiff during the entire term of the agreement.
Speaker 4: Mister Ugi does not have sufficient knowledge to admit or
Speaker 4: deny that WSW maintained workers' compensation insurance for the duration
Speaker 4: of the agreement. That's fair.
Speaker 3: I suppose ww's workers compensation insure provided and plaintiff accepted
Speaker 3: medical benefits for plaintiff's January fourteenth, two thousand and one
Speaker 3: injury to his lege.
Speaker 4: Mister U admits that ww's insurance paid for the medical treatment.
Speaker 3: Right, So we got that WW paid for the medical treatment.
Speaker 3: That's I mean, that's bare minimum. I'm not saying they
Speaker 3: deserve a pat on the back for that, but said
Speaker 3: has to be careful going out. They're claiming he's owed
Speaker 3: all this money because of the damage he suffered, because
Speaker 3: they The fact is they paid for the injury. They
Speaker 3: paid for him to rehabit and get it fixed. Ww's
Speaker 3: Workers Compensation Insurre has paid for all.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, they also paid for the injury to happen.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, what are you suggesting, mister Udy. I'm suggesting
Speaker 4: that they go out there. They paid perview, they sell
Speaker 4: paid perviews, and they say, you know what, Sid, We're
Speaker 4: gonna put a hit on your fucking life, and it's
Speaker 4: gonna hit you in the head like a shot. It's
Speaker 4: gonna hit you in the leg like a shot.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, everyone's out here talking about who paid
Speaker 3: for the damages. You know who paid for the damages?
Speaker 4: Sid paid, that's right, and he paid the pop. He
Speaker 4: paid the ultimate price.
Speaker 3: Really paid the price here exactly. Ww's Workers Competation Insure
Speaker 3: has paid for all of the treatment plaintiff has received
Speaker 3: for his leg injury since January fourteenth, two thousand and one,
Speaker 3: including plaintiff surgery.
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits ww's insurance paid for his medical treatment.
Speaker 3: Ww's Worker's Compensation Insurer continues to pay for the rehabilitation
Speaker 3: of and physical therapy of plaintiff's leg.
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits that ww's insurance paid for his medical treatment.
Speaker 3: Plaintiff has not paid for any of the medical treatment,
Speaker 3: services or rehabilitation for his leg injury.
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits the w CW's insurance paid for his
Speaker 4: medical treatment.
Speaker 3: A valid contract existed between plaintiff and WCW that governed
Speaker 3: the compensation the WCW was to pay plaintiff for his
Speaker 3: professional wrestling services.
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks for sale.
Speaker 3: W W carriac to professional Athletes insurance policy issued by Lloyd's.
Speaker 4: Heyes, of course, mister unimits a WW agents informed him
Speaker 4: that a disability policy had been taken out for him.
Speaker 3: Plaintiff was one of many ww wrestlers named in the
Speaker 3: Lloyd's policy.
Speaker 4: Does not have sufficient information to admit or deny statement
Speaker 4: forty five. That's a T shirt.
Speaker 3: Mister Ud does not have sufficient information to admit or
Speaker 3: deny statement forty five. Under the terms of the Lloyd's policy,
Speaker 3: WCW was entitled to receive partial reimbursement for payments made
Speaker 3: by WCW to plaintiff during any period that plaintiff was
Speaker 3: incapacitated under the terms of the agreement.
Speaker 4: Mister Ug does not have sufficient information to admit or
Speaker 4: deny statement for six.
Speaker 3: Lloyd's policy did not provide for any reimbursement to WCW
Speaker 3: during the first one hundred twenty days of any period
Speaker 3: in which plaintiff was incapacitated.
Speaker 4: Mister Ug does not have sufficient information to admit or
Speaker 4: deny statement forty seven.
Speaker 3: During the period June ninth, nineteen ninety nine through July eight,
Speaker 3: two thousand, plaintiff was paid ten pay per view bonuses
Speaker 3: in the amount of fifty thousand dollars each May. Plaintiff
Speaker 3: is an experienced wrestler with almost twenty years in the business.
Speaker 3: At message January fourteen, two thousand and one, Plaintiff was
Speaker 3: well aware of the AUV and inherent dangers of wrestling professionally.
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits that he was aware that injuries occurred
Speaker 4: in wrestling, but his injury was not a foreseeable one.
Speaker 3: Plaintive voluntarily agreed to perform the move that ultimately resulted
Speaker 3: in the January fourteenth, two thousand and one injury to
Speaker 3: his leg.
Speaker 4: Mister Udia missed the ww's agents forced him to perform
Speaker 4: move that resulted in his injury.
Speaker 3: Plant to voluntarily agreed to perform the move that ultimately
Speaker 3: resulted in the January fourteen, two thousand and one injury
Speaker 3: to his leg, even though he appreciated the specific danger
Speaker 3: involved in jumping off the wrestling ring ropes and attempting
Speaker 3: to kick an opponent in the face.
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits that he agreed to perform the move,
Speaker 4: but that he did not appreciate the danger of the
Speaker 4: move or foresee the injury that occurred.
Speaker 3: The agreement provided and whose fault is that, sir? Pardon me, geeh,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I had to let that out.
Speaker 4: The agreement.
Speaker 3: The agreement provider that plaintiff would develop his own individual
Speaker 3: wrestling style and persona with advice for WCW.
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits, I think agreement speaks for saving.
Speaker 3: Agreement provided the WCW and plaintiff agreed to act quote
Speaker 3: in their own separate capacities and not as agents, employees, partners,
Speaker 3: joined venturers, or associates of one another end quote.
Speaker 4: Mister Uti admits, I think greement speaks for excess.
Speaker 3: C W and plaintiff agreed that the agreement was the
Speaker 3: quote product of arm's length negotiations between plaintiff and WCW
Speaker 3: end quote, and that plaintiff quote had the opportunity to
Speaker 3: seek and obtain consultation and connection with the negotiation and
Speaker 3: execution of the agreement end quote.
Speaker 4: Mister Uni A. Mints. I think greement speaks for.
Speaker 3: Excels respectfully submitted on this twenty seventh day of January
Speaker 3: two thousand and four, Council for plaintiff. So that is
Speaker 3: basically and directly the series of claims that ww's making
Speaker 3: to counter sit is that he went in and did
Speaker 3: this move with full cognizance of the risks involved, and
Speaker 3: it almost doesn't matter if he was forced to do it.
Speaker 3: He nonetheless did it under an agreement and a contractual
Speaker 3: structure where he assumed all of these risks and had
Speaker 3: a lot of experience in the business. Can claim he
Speaker 3: didn't know that that kind of an injury was possible,
Speaker 3: but just because he it didn't occur to him that
Speaker 3: that was the risk he was taken by doing the
Speaker 3: move doesn't make a WCW's fault that it occurred. And
Speaker 3: I don't know it sounds it sounds like a strained
Speaker 3: series of excuses to me on which end a WWS end,
Speaker 3: you know, because that works. It comes down to that
Speaker 3: word force, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's I mean, I mean, really, what
Speaker 4: do you It's it's a hard it's that's a hard
Speaker 4: thing to to kind of prove. Really it is what
Speaker 4: is forced? What is volunteer? What is a voluntary move? Right?
Speaker 3: Because they are also w WS with then the rights
Speaker 3: to say that ultimately Sid agreed to do it, that
Speaker 3: is true.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It's not like he parted the curtain saying fuck you,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do this, and you know that
Speaker 3: somehow it ended up happening anyway. It's like eventually he
Speaker 3: went through the curtain and WCW was confident that he
Speaker 3: agreed to do the move, even if he had an
Speaker 3: initial But again, it's got a factor in. You got
Speaker 3: a factor in that Sid is Sid, and that of
Speaker 3: course he's got a problem with it. You know, that's
Speaker 3: just part of doing business with Sid, right, Right, He's
Speaker 3: always going to have a problem with it. Right, This
Speaker 3: is a guy who suffers a heart attack and goes
Speaker 3: back to the hotel. According to Harvey Whippleman, when we
Speaker 3: go try to find it, right, So you know, there's
Speaker 3: all kinds of things like this with him. So this
Speaker 3: all goes to the court system there in Georgia and
Speaker 3: Sid gets denied on the breach of contract claim by
Speaker 3: the local judge. But wow, he does get upheld on
Speaker 3: the violation of an oral contract and unjustin Richmond. So
Speaker 3: apparently the judge thinks there's something to the idea that
Speaker 3: WCW went a little too far, in arguably trying to
Speaker 3: monetize this injury by making a storyline out of it,
Speaker 3: replaying in a nitro and everything. So as specious as
Speaker 3: that argument seemed to be when we first read through
Speaker 3: Sid's arguments, that was the one that did sync in
Speaker 3: with the judge as something that was worthy of further
Speaker 3: inquiry and perhaps should go to trial. And so of
Speaker 3: course Sid, having been denied the breach of contract claim,
Speaker 3: which is probably where most of the money is, he
Speaker 3: appeals decision as superior court and that sends it up
Speaker 3: to the state appeals court. The same thing happened in
Speaker 3: the Vince Russou Hull Cogan lawsuit, where remember he got
Speaker 3: half of what he wanted and half of not what
Speaker 3: he wanted, right, you know, there was this claim of
Speaker 3: defamation of character, and there was this claim of breach
Speaker 3: of contract, and so it got very confusing because did
Speaker 3: Hogan win or did he not win? It's like, well
Speaker 3: it both of course, right.
Speaker 4: Of course, listen, he'll he'll, he'll do the job as
Speaker 4: well as he wins in the end.
Speaker 3: So SID appeals to the state Appeals Court contends that
Speaker 3: the trial court at local court we've been talking about,
Speaker 3: made an error and granting some rejudgment for WCW on
Speaker 3: claims of breach of contract, breach of fiduciary duty, negligence
Speaker 3: and all the rest. And he contends that the error,
Speaker 3: the error came when they found that WW did not
Speaker 3: improperly reduce his pay. That's what he really wants. He
Speaker 3: wants that fifty to be one percent. He thinks he
Speaker 3: can get that money out of them, of course, and
Speaker 3: that of course, he also claims the improperly terminated his
Speaker 3: contra as a result. Well, whereas WCW responded that all
Speaker 3: the actions were allowed under UT's contract. So he actually
Speaker 3: has two separate appeal cases to the state. Wwpls their
Speaker 3: own denial too. It's not just said that appeals WW
Speaker 3: denies the part they lost as well under breach of
Speaker 3: an oral agreement and unjust and Richmond and so Finally,
Speaker 3: the appeals court affirms the order that WW one and
Speaker 3: denies sid's attempt to win the other fifty percent. Here
Speaker 3: is an excerpt from the state appeals court decision here
Speaker 3: that kind of brought this thing to an end, or
Speaker 3: all just about brought to an end. After Uty's disabling
Speaker 3: lake fractures, WCW did not terminate him after thirty days,
Speaker 3: but instead paid him fifty percent of his base pay
Speaker 3: and what he would have earned for five pay per
Speaker 3: view events, and eventually terminated him in ninety days.
Speaker 4: Notice.
Speaker 3: Uty argues that a jury question exists, that is to say,
Speaker 3: this should go to trial and a jury should decide.
Speaker 3: A jury question exists as to whether he is entitled
Speaker 3: to the other fifty percent because he contends that he
Speaker 3: was coerced into performing the wrestling move that ended his career.
Speaker 3: In other words, yeah, I might be incapacitated, and that
Speaker 3: might entitally, you'd only pay me half. But if I
Speaker 3: get incapacitated because you forced me to do something that
Speaker 3: shouldn't count, Yeah, that shouldn't count. You shouldn't be able
Speaker 3: to pay me less because you forced me to do
Speaker 3: a move that broke my leg in half. WW responds
Speaker 3: that it complied with the contract terms, that Udi voluntarily
Speaker 3: chose to perform the maneuver knowing the danger involved, and
Speaker 3: that it did not coerce ud. Udy testified on deposition
Speaker 3: that he told Laurionidis, the WW employee who blocked the
Speaker 3: moves for the January fourteen, two thousand and one event,
Speaker 3: I think he's by blocked. I think they mean scripted it,
Speaker 3: that he did not want to perform the final move
Speaker 3: in which he was to jump from the second rope
Speaker 3: and land and his opponent. He testified that he said
Speaker 3: he was just not a rope guy.
Speaker 4: That's a shirt, just not a rope guy. I'm just
Speaker 4: not a rope guy.
Speaker 3: Being a big man, he was concerned about getting his
Speaker 3: timing right so he did not kick his opponent in
Speaker 3: the face, having just returned to the ring after shoulder
Speaker 3: surgery the year before. But Judy said Lauren Attis kept
Speaker 3: telling him he needed to do the move. Eventually, he
Speaker 3: handed him a written script and told Judy that if
Speaker 3: you took the move out, Lauren Aidis would have to
Speaker 3: redraft the script. God forbid, perish the thought Johnny, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, I find a copy. You have to find
Speaker 3: a kinkosh would be a nightmare. Sid, What am I
Speaker 3: supposed to do? The script you want to read? Draft
Speaker 3: is the ten fucking commanderies.
Speaker 4: Cross it out?
Speaker 3: What the fuck you have to rewrite the script?
Speaker 2: Cross it out?
Speaker 4: I can't rewrite.
Speaker 5: I can't rewrite the script, said, I don't have a sharply,
Speaker 5: Sid said, my guy up in North.
Speaker 4: He said he can't do it.
Speaker 3: My guy up and North. That's fucking great. I never
Speaker 3: thought of that angle to it.
Speaker 4: Have to draft the script.
Speaker 3: Then, Udy admitted that he agreed to perform the move,
Speaker 3: thinking he needed to prove himself to the company's new
Speaker 3: owners because he had been able to work for some
Speaker 3: time due to previous injuries. That's interesting that went through
Speaker 3: Sid's mind. You know, we're about to undergo an ownership
Speaker 3: change that definitely was in the air in January.
Speaker 4: People.
Speaker 3: Of course, a bishoff in few and all that stuff
Speaker 3: is already well in motion, Sid says. The law says
Speaker 3: if the non performance is caused by the opposite party's action,
Speaker 3: it doesn't count. So if I can't perform because something
Speaker 3: you did to me, not something I did you know
Speaker 3: that that should invalidate your ability to pay me half.
Speaker 3: But the judge otimately says, now there's a ninjury clause
Speaker 3: in there, so you don't get to stand. You don't
Speaker 3: have a le like to stand on. Of course, because
Speaker 3: UDI granted WW the right to tape the wrestling match,
Speaker 3: the judge determines, and to use and exhibit any part
Speaker 3: of the match, he cannot claim that WW was unjustly
Speaker 3: enriched by doing so. Under the policy terms the judge
Speaker 3: included WCW not UDI was entitled to receive partial reimbursement
Speaker 3: for payments made by WCW to any of the wrestler's names.
Speaker 3: In other words, h Lloyd's repaid WCW for some of
Speaker 3: the benefits that it paid to UD. WCW was not
Speaker 3: enriched by the policy, just partially reimbursed. Boss got that
Speaker 3: sid WW was not enringed here. They weren't even made whole,
Speaker 3: of course not and also the judge includes. Finally, WW
Speaker 3: contends that the trial court errred in denying it some
Speaker 3: rejudgment on Utie's claim that WCW breached its oral agreement
Speaker 3: to pay him for a pay per view event in
Speaker 3: which he did not appear because the agreement provided that
Speaker 3: any modification had to be in writing. Uti responds that
Speaker 3: he relied on this payment promise to his detriment, agreeing
Speaker 3: to fight before his doctor had cleared him medically following
Speaker 3: his shoulder surgery. His reliance was reasonable, he contends, because
Speaker 3: he had previously worked for WCW with no contract and
Speaker 3: had been paid.
Speaker 4: Your honor, I'm with him. I right to expect that.
Speaker 3: Things that are promised to me will be delivered even
Speaker 3: if they're not in writing, because most of the money
Speaker 3: I've made from this fucking company was without a contract
Speaker 3: on the table. Based on the party's deposition testimony, the
Speaker 3: judge concludes, we agreed that the trial court that with
Speaker 3: the trial court that a genuine issue of material facts
Speaker 3: exists for the jury to decide on this issue. So
Speaker 3: it may have been too sweeping in my conclusion.
Speaker 8: There.
Speaker 3: While the judge doesn't uphold the thing SID really cares about,
Speaker 3: he does say that a jury ought to decide if
Speaker 3: if SID was denied an oral agreement payment. Remember they
Speaker 3: said they would pay him for a pay per view
Speaker 3: if he did what they had to go to the
Speaker 3: table or whatever. So the judge keeps alive that little
Speaker 3: small smidgeon of things, But that just means it gets
Speaker 3: kicked back to the local court and they've got to
Speaker 3: figure it all out. So after the Peers Court rules
Speaker 3: as outlined above, on July twelve, two thousand and five,
Speaker 3: a settlement is reached, ladies and gentlemen between sid UNI
Speaker 3: and the Universal Wrestling Corporation.
Speaker 4: So that's what happens.
Speaker 3: It goes all the way appeal. The judge keeps one
Speaker 3: little piece of it alive. Let's negotiate that no one
Speaker 3: wants to go to trial here Sid Jesus and I
Speaker 3: don't know who's to say what Sid got paid for
Speaker 3: this settlement, but he did get paid at the end,
Speaker 3: just for a small smidgeon of the full menu of
Speaker 3: things he tried to claim against World Championship Wrestling. I'm
Speaker 3: sure he didn't end up with anything close to the
Speaker 3: other fifty percent of pay that he thought he wasn't
Speaker 3: touch Oh, I'm sure not. But yeah, the final settlement
Speaker 3: order is answered. And so you got to think about
Speaker 3: this injury happens in two thousand and one, and it
Speaker 3: doesn't get settled in the courts until my god, two
Speaker 3: thousand and five four years after the company folds.
Speaker 4: Wow, still going on? You old? That's absurd. I mean,
Speaker 4: is there still a Universal like? I mean, I imagine
Speaker 4: that there's nothing now. But how long did that did
Speaker 4: that company last?
Speaker 8: It?
Speaker 4: Probably Universal Wrestling.
Speaker 3: Unless all of its liabilities have been disgorged. Like in
Speaker 3: other words, if nobody else has a claim on them
Speaker 3: for money, ode they still exist, you know, but I
Speaker 3: don't know if they've dissolved or not.
Speaker 4: That's a great question.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard about them in an awful long time.
Speaker 3: But this this was a huge thing because so many
Speaker 3: of these wrestlers, as we know, WWF didn't pick up
Speaker 3: their contract and so they're still going to get paid
Speaker 3: even though ww doesn't exist, and it's this new UWC
Speaker 3: that they have to rely on. That's what's on the checks,
Speaker 3: and that's where they have to go when they try
Speaker 3: to make last minute claims for even more money, because
Speaker 3: at that point, what's to lose. I mean, you're going
Speaker 3: to get paid. There's no way to punish you from
Speaker 3: booking because the company doesn't exist anymore. So let's just
Speaker 3: just try a few lawsuits see if we can get
Speaker 3: a few more bucks out of this. The skeleton that's
Speaker 3: left of what was WCW.
Speaker 8: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the final settlement settlement order is issued is mentioned
Speaker 3: in two thousand and five. It reads, the Court having
Speaker 3: been advised by counsel for the plaintiff that is counseled
Speaker 3: for SID and the defendant, that the above styled action
Speaker 3: has been settled. It is hereby ordered that this action
Speaker 3: shall stand dismissed within thirty days from this date, unless
Speaker 3: either party, upon good cause shown, moves before said date
Speaker 3: that this action should not be dismissed and should be
Speaker 3: allowed to proceed upon such basis as it be shown
Speaker 3: in said motion, as ordered by this Court, so ordered
Speaker 3: this twelfth day of July two thousand and five. So
Speaker 3: that must be the end of it, right, I imagine not?
Speaker 3: I mean wanting to get an insurance company involved. They're
Speaker 3: They're fine to just sit in the balcony, in the
Speaker 3: catbird seed or in the cheap seats and watch their
Speaker 3: business be characterized and watch their exposure be decided by
Speaker 3: two third parties. Right that they wouldn't want to sue themselves,
Speaker 3: would they?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 3: Boy, I invite you to pull up sid leg TIG Insurance,
Speaker 3: because you better believe that after all this shit went down,
Speaker 3: that ww's insurance company is going to sue wcw over
Speaker 3: all of this is going to sow why we're going
Speaker 3: to find out. That's what we're here to do is
Speaker 3: answer questions. They want declaratory judgment. This is the TIG
Speaker 3: Insurance Company filing in federal court against UWC World Championhipressing
Speaker 3: Turner Sports, Johnny Lori Niitis. And here's the thing, they're
Speaker 3: also suing SID. SID goes from suing all these people
Speaker 3: to being sued alongside them by the insurance company. Because this,
Speaker 3: my friends, is the United States of America's right and
Speaker 3: this one is a duce.
Speaker 4: We just won't let this stand.
Speaker 3: We're going to characterize now for you the claims made
Speaker 3: by the insurance company and why they feel they have say.
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Speaker 4: Soro complaint for declaratory judgment comes now. Plaintiff TIG Insurance
Speaker 4: Company and files this complaint for declaratory judgment, showing the
Speaker 4: court as follows parties. Yes, I do love your insurance
Speaker 4: voice great call TIG Plaintiff Hearin is incorporated under the
Speaker 4: laws of California, with its principal place of business in Texas.
Speaker 4: Universal Wrestling Corporation Incorporated UWC, a defendant here in was
Speaker 4: formerly known as World Championship Wrestling Incorporated at WCW UWC
Speaker 4: is incorporated under the laws of Georgia, with its principal
Speaker 4: place of business in New York. UWC has designated the
Speaker 4: designated A corporate System twelve oh one Peachtree Street, North,
Speaker 4: Northeast Atlanta, Georgia three three six one as its registered
Speaker 4: agent for service of process. Turner Sports Incorporated, a defendant
Speaker 4: here in, is incorporated under the laws of Georgia, with
Speaker 4: its principal place of business in New York. Turner Sports
Speaker 4: Incorporated has designated CT Corporation System twelve oh one Peachtree Street, Northeast, Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 4: three oh three six one as its registered agent for
Speaker 4: service of process. Turner Entertainment in Corporate. Turner Entertainment Group, Incorporated,
Speaker 4: a defendant here in is incorporated under the laws of Georgia,
Speaker 4: with its principal place of business in New York. Turner
Speaker 4: Entertainment Group, Incorporated has designated CT Corporation System twelve oh
Speaker 4: one Peachtree Street, Northeast, Atlanta, Georgia, three zero three sixty
Speaker 4: one as its registered agent for service of process. Sydney
Speaker 4: r Udy, a defendant here, is a resident of Arkansas
Speaker 4: and entered into a contract with WCW in the state
Speaker 4: of Georgia. He has filed a lawsuit arising from that
Speaker 4: contract in the Superior Court of Fulton County, Georgia. Johnny Laurnitis,
Speaker 4: a defendants herein is a resident of Florida and seeks
Speaker 4: coverage under a TIG policy delivered in Georgia for uty's
Speaker 4: lawsuit presently pending in the Superior Court of Fulton County, Georgia.
Speaker 3: So if you heard that right, they're saying that Johnny
Speaker 3: Ace turned around and sought coverage from the insurance company
Speaker 3: for any damages he suffered as a result of sid
Speaker 3: lawsuit against him, fucking claiming. You know, he was working
Speaker 3: as an agent of w W, which was insurance.
Speaker 4: Don't doing what I can? I needed, I had coverage,
Speaker 4: you can somebody cover it.
Speaker 8: Cover me.
Speaker 4: Who's gonna provide coverage? I can kick out it too, brother.
Speaker 4: I'll cover you, dude.
Speaker 3: Brother, you do some help, dude, for hul Hogan can help.
Speaker 4: Haul Hogan can help. Once you go, lay down, dude,
Speaker 4: you know. Cop your shoulders down, brother, close your eyes.
Speaker 4: Whole commedia to do his business.
Speaker 3: Dude, it washes over you like a spirit.
Speaker 4: Jurisdiction and venue. This is a complete diversity of citizenship
Speaker 4: between plaintive and defendants. The amount and controversy exceeds seventy
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars. This Court is subject matter jurisdiction over
Speaker 4: this action pursuing to twenty eight USC. Blah blah blah
Speaker 4: blah blah Venue or the over this action is proper
Speaker 4: in this court. Pursuing to USC blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: Defendants are subject to the personal jurisdiction of this Court.
Speaker 4: There is an actual controversy with respect to an insurance
Speaker 4: contract delivered in Georgia for a lawsuit, depending on or
Speaker 4: just such that this Court could declare the rights and
Speaker 4: legal obligations of the parties. Pursued two twenty at USC.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah blah. Relationship between UD and WCW
Speaker 4: UDI provided wrestling services pursuing to a written contract with WCW,
Speaker 4: a true and complete copy of which is attached here
Speaker 4: too as exhibit a employment agreement. Under the terms of
Speaker 4: UT's employment agreement, WCW arranged his performances and appearances, including
Speaker 4: his transportation to and from WCW scheduled events, and had
Speaker 4: authority to approve his wardrobe, props and makeup. WCW also
Speaker 4: owned all rights to UD's quote, name, image, likeness, character,
Speaker 4: costume props, ring name, voice, logo, service marks, trademarks, trade names, signature, gimmicks, routines,
Speaker 4: themes and character caricatures spelled in caricatures, which is cherricatures
Speaker 4: spelled chercatures, and any and.
Speaker 3: Uh huh indeed you misspelled in the contract?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and any and all other distinctive and identifying indicia
Speaker 4: as used by or associated with UD. WCW advised Udy
Speaker 4: on developing his wrestling style and prepared scripts for his
Speaker 4: wrestling matches that specified with the maneuvers the wrestlers were
Speaker 4: to use and determine the final outcome of the matches.
Speaker 4: Do y'all get that? Everyone get that, all the newspapers
Speaker 4: get that.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is an explosive ring we're putting in here, folks.
Speaker 5: All right, they write scripts, they prepare them, all right,
Speaker 5: they prepare move for move maneuvers.
Speaker 4: I'm fucking writing this, shiit.
Speaker 6: See, this is what I'm talking about, right, That's what
Speaker 6: I'm fucking talking about. I'm going to court with these motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: In the courtroom writing every word down feverishly.
Speaker 3: And it's according to me as we go through this,
Speaker 3: Like you know, we always hear about the scripts and
Speaker 3: stuff and the TV writers, but what they were is
Speaker 3: basically promo verbiage. They would describe the scenes of the
Speaker 3: vignettes and stuff, but when it came to the matches,
Speaker 3: everything I've ever seen has been very bare bones when
Speaker 3: it comes to describing the actual things that happen in
Speaker 3: the ring. It's up to the guys if they want
Speaker 3: to to plan it out and remove. In a lot
Speaker 3: of cases that they're headed to finish, of course, and
Speaker 3: I guess in this case it was the finish, so
Speaker 3: it probably it clearly was written down. But what a
Speaker 3: way to bite them in the ass, because usually I
Speaker 3: know these things aren't written down, and then you don't
Speaker 3: have this whole basis to claim after the fact that
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Well, you know we have proof of such. We have
Speaker 4: a script right here, move one locker right, hold for
Speaker 4: about three seconds. Mister Udy then pushes mister Steiner to
Speaker 4: the ground. Five seconds later. You've been to the second.
Speaker 4: They worked to the second.
Speaker 3: Have you been reading ddp's notes. App again, breather for
Speaker 3: five minutes.
Speaker 4: That's right, yet take a powder yet. UTI and WCW
Speaker 4: agreed that the terms of the employment agreement would be
Speaker 4: construed pursuing to Georgia law, and that any disputes would
Speaker 4: be resolved in the United States District Court for the
Speaker 4: Northern District of Georgia. UD and WCW further agreed Udy
Speaker 4: was eligible for workers compensation benefits and that ud would
Speaker 4: accept such benefits as his quote, sole and exclusive remedy
Speaker 4: for all injuries sustained during the term of the employment
Speaker 4: agreement under the terms of the employment agreement as construed
Speaker 4: by Georgia law, and his performance of services thereunder. Udy
Speaker 4: was an employee of WCW underlying lawsuit. On January fourteen,
Speaker 4: two thousand and one, Udy injured his left leg during
Speaker 4: a WCW wrestling match while performing a maneuver scripted by WCW.
Speaker 4: I love scripted maneuvers, attorney. Was the move scripted or
Speaker 4: was it not? Your honor?
Speaker 3: The move was in fact scripted.
Speaker 4: Hey, I got It's in the script.
Speaker 3: A hush comes over the deer, hush comes over the courthouse.
Speaker 4: I put it in scripted. Roof, what sir Laurie nightis?
Speaker 4: Please sit down? I just put it in confusion. He's
Speaker 4: got he gets it.
Speaker 3: For some reason, this is to yell over people, you know,
Speaker 3: for some reason, there's like a crowd that's preventing him
Speaker 3: from being heard.
Speaker 4: I did what I had to do, Like it's a murder.
Speaker 4: You write things down, you let him know. Oh shit,
Speaker 4: I did what I had to do. You write things down,
Speaker 4: you let him know. And he's saying these things while
Speaker 4: being dragged out of the courtroom by a court officer.
Speaker 4: Get him out of hat. What a fucking zany fucking
Speaker 4: circus this is I wrote into the script, but I
Speaker 4: wrote it on the author wrote it. I did what
Speaker 4: I had to do. You would do this, sign the
Speaker 4: scriptwriter Minova would do the same thing if you were
Speaker 4: in my shoes. You don't do the same thing. You
Speaker 4: kind of write the move though always nobody knows what's
Speaker 4: going on? Oh, because Udi sustained his leg injury during
Speaker 4: the course of the employee of his employment by WCW.
Speaker 4: He received workers compensation benefits for his leg injury from
Speaker 4: a TIG workers compensation policy issued to w CW.
Speaker 3: So here's TIG, the workers compensation company that's paid out
Speaker 3: on the policy. They want to sue.
Speaker 4: See, the problem is we didn't understand the term workers
Speaker 4: right exactly. We have a different definition of the term
Speaker 4: worker when it comes to workers compensation, a different sort
Speaker 4: of compensation when it comes to fake athlete.
Speaker 3: You can understand our confusion. When the customer told us
Speaker 3: that mister Uty suffered the injury while working.
Speaker 4: While on the job, what they didn't say was that
Speaker 4: he was doing the job, which is a very different polity.
Speaker 3: He was working, all right, now that we know what
Speaker 3: that means in the parlance of the industry.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Beauty nevertheless filed a lawsuit in the Superior
Speaker 4: Court of Fulton County against WCW, Turner Sports Incorporated, and
Speaker 4: Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated, seeking to recover under common law
Speaker 4: theories for injuries he allegedly received. He allegedly received shit,
Speaker 4: allegedly received on January fourteenth, two thousand and one. Receive
Speaker 4: you guys paid the workers' comp claim like you guys
Speaker 4: determined to he actually received the injury, I would imagine.
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes we do admit that we don't always
Speaker 4: go line by line and read the fine print when
Speaker 4: it comes to our policies. We just shell out the money. Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: at least you're honest about it. True. An accurate copy
Speaker 4: of the initial complaint bearing civil action number zero two
Speaker 4: CV for eight five one three is a tacked tier too,
Speaker 4: as exhibit B. At the time of Utie's injury, WCW
Speaker 4: was a division of Turner Sports Incorporated, which was a
Speaker 4: division of Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated, Turner Sports under turn Entertainment,
Speaker 4: Which is it entertainment or sports?
Speaker 3: Your honor, what do we have here? We we respectively,
Speaker 3: we respectfully submit that a jury should.
Speaker 4: Decide we we we respect we respectfully submit that there
Speaker 4: is a confident of interest between these two organizations, and
Speaker 4: we believe that a determination with a trial by jury
Speaker 4: be the only way that we can finally know the truth.
Speaker 3: And much like Boss Professional Wrestling, and much like mister
Speaker 3: Uty in this case, your honor, we respectfully submit to
Speaker 3: the Gripler crosspace.
Speaker 4: On information and belief. UD filed an amended complaint in
Speaker 4: February third, two thousand and three. The amended complaint was
Speaker 4: not tendered to TIG for coverage. UD filed a second
Speaker 4: amended complaint on February sixth, two thousand and three, which
Speaker 4: added more claims and included Johnny and Laurinidis aka Johnny
Speaker 4: Ace as a defendant. A true and complete copy of
Speaker 4: the second amended complaint is attached here too as exhibit C.
Speaker 4: Lauriniitis was an employee of WCW at the time of
Speaker 4: UD's injury tig's coverage decisions. WCW tendered the initial complaint
Speaker 4: to TIG for coverage pursuing to a commercial General Liability
Speaker 4: policy issued for the period April one, two thousand to
Speaker 4: April one, two thousand and one, bearing policy number TCT
Speaker 4: seven zero zero zero three seven nine six four seven
Speaker 4: nine nine zero two CGL.
Speaker 3: Policy habit of everyone who always wanted to know what
Speaker 3: exact policy numbered WCW care for its commercial General Liability insurance.
Speaker 4: There it is there, It is right there. A true
Speaker 4: and complete copy of the CGL policy is attached here.
Speaker 4: Too as Exhibit D. TIG reviewed UD's initial complaint and
Speaker 4: denied coverage under the CGL policy because UD was not
Speaker 4: seeking damages covered by its turn.
Speaker 3: Initially denied coverage to SID to ww A true and well,
Speaker 3: it says beauty Yeah, denied utynie uty that's true, then
Speaker 3: denied UTY.
Speaker 4: A true and accurate copy of the denial of coverage
Speaker 4: letter is attached here too as Exhibit E. Subsequent to
Speaker 4: its denial of coverage for the claims asserted in the
Speaker 4: initial complaint, UD's second amended complaint was tendered to TIG
Speaker 4: for coverage by both WCW and Laurentiis. TIG reviewed the
Speaker 4: allegations of the second amended complaint and agreed to defend
Speaker 4: pursuant to a reservation of rights agreement. A true and
Speaker 4: complete copy of the reservation of rights letter is attached
Speaker 4: here too as Exhibit F. We have unlimited exhibits, your honor.
Speaker 4: We plan to exhibit everything exhibitionists.
Speaker 9: We are.
Speaker 4: We are an exhibitious insurance company pertinent policy provisions under
Speaker 4: section one coverages of the Commercial General Liability Coverage Form
Speaker 4: the CGL form of the policy, TIG agree to pay
Speaker 4: quote those sums that the insured becomes legally obligated to
Speaker 4: pay as damages because of bodily injury or property damage
Speaker 4: to which this insurance applies. However, TIG will have no
Speaker 4: duty to defend the insured against any suit seeking damages
Speaker 4: for bodily injury or property damage to which this insurance
Speaker 4: does not apply and quote. Under section one of the
Speaker 4: CGL form, quote this insurance applies to bodily injury and
Speaker 4: property damage only if the boss injury or property damage
Speaker 4: is caused by an occurrence that takes place in the
Speaker 4: coverage territory well is that Minnesota, or is that Georgia territory,
Speaker 4: and the bodily injury or property damage occurs during the
Speaker 4: policy period. Under the CGL forms, Commercial General Liability Broadened
Speaker 4: Coverage Endorsement, quote, bodily injury is defined as quote bodily
Speaker 4: injury that's great sickness, sickness or disease sustained by a person.
Speaker 4: This includes mental anguish, mental injury, shock, fright, humiliation, emotional distress,
Speaker 4: or death resulting from bodily injury, sickness or disease. Under
Speaker 4: section five of the CGL form, quote occurrence unquote is
Speaker 4: defined as quote an accident, including continuous or repeated exposure
Speaker 4: to substantially the same general harmful conditions unquote. Section one
Speaker 4: of the CGL four excludes coverage for quote bodily injury
Speaker 4: to quote an employee of the insured arising out of
Speaker 4: and in the course of a employment by the insured,
Speaker 4: or b performing duties related to the conduct of the
Speaker 4: insured's business. Get that at all?
Speaker 3: I mean, basically, I don't understand how bodily injury doesn't
Speaker 3: apply if it suffered in the course of the employment
Speaker 3: of the by the insured. I don' don't understand at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very sure rising out of an incurse of
Speaker 4: employment by the insured.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it'll make more sense as we go,
Speaker 3: make it make sense. This next one is money in
Speaker 3: the bank.
Speaker 4: Under section five of the CGL form quote employee includes
Speaker 4: a least worker. Employee does not include a temporary worker.
Speaker 3: We're not going to say that this does not cover
Speaker 3: an injury to sid because he was an independent contractor,
Speaker 3: are we We are not going to.
Speaker 4: Quote, you know, he is not technically an employee of
Speaker 4: oh organization. He is a private contractor, and we do
Speaker 4: not cover private contractors. One more for the boys. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Under section two of the CGL form, quote, WCW's employees
Speaker 4: other than WCW's executive officers are insured, but only for
Speaker 4: acts within the scope of their employment by WCW or
Speaker 4: while performing duties related to the conduct of WCW's business. Unquote.
Speaker 4: Under section two of the CGL form, employees are not
Speaker 4: insured for a quote bodily injury to a co employee
Speaker 4: while that co employee is either in the course of
Speaker 4: his or her employment or performing duties related to the
Speaker 4: conduct of WCW's business. That means god n So wait,
Speaker 4: wait a minute. Employees are not insured for bottling injury
Speaker 4: to a co employee, So I mean that could be
Speaker 4: so if I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I know I don't either, So I don't know what
Speaker 3: a call employee is. Notice employee and co is in parentheses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well the quotes you mean. But yeah, it's very weird,
Speaker 4: like why.
Speaker 3: It's almost what is that it's in there? Not if
Speaker 3: I'm trying to read this. Employees at WW you can't
Speaker 3: claim an insurance, can't go for insurance money if they
Speaker 3: cause injury to another employee.
Speaker 4: But that's the whole business. The whole business is, you know,
Speaker 4: potentially causing injury to another employee. It's pretty amazing under
Speaker 4: an employment related this, I mean, this just sounds like
Speaker 4: a shitty policy. It's like, why would you, why would
Speaker 4: you choose this policy?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: And to be shocked at how like impossible it is
Speaker 3: to find a policy without language.
Speaker 4: No, I listen, I'm mad, I I imagine that, you know. Listen, listen.
Speaker 4: Insurance companies don't want to pay out? God, I understand. God?
Speaker 4: Do they not want to pay out under an employment
Speaker 4: related practices exclusion endorsement to the CGO policy. The policy
Speaker 4: does not apply to quote personal and advertising injury to
Speaker 4: one a person arising out of any a refusal to
Speaker 4: employ that person, termination of that person's employment, or see
Speaker 4: employment related practices policies, acts, or omissions such as coercion, demotion, evaluation, reassignment, discipline, defamation, harassment,
Speaker 4: humiliation or discrimination directed at that person unquote. So that's
Speaker 4: all wrestling right there. Coercion, demotion, Yeah, this is not
Speaker 4: the business information harassment. This is not a good policy.
Speaker 4: Relief sought based on all the terms, conditions, and exclusions
Speaker 4: in the policy, whether expressly mentioned or identified in this
Speaker 4: complaint or not. As well, as under relevant legal principles
Speaker 4: and public policy concerns. TIG seeks a declaration as to
Speaker 4: its obligation to defend and or indemnify UWC. Turner, Sports,
Speaker 4: Turner Entertainment Group and Lauren Eidis for the claims asserted
Speaker 4: in the underlying lawsuit. Wherefore, the plaintive TIG Insurance Company
Speaker 4: praise that the Court a declare that TIG Insurance Company
Speaker 4: has no duty to defend or indemnify the claims made
Speaker 4: in the underlying underlying lawsuit and b award such other
Speaker 4: and further relief as the Court shall deem just and
Speaker 4: proper respectfully respectfully submitted Freeman Mathis and Gary L. LP
Speaker 4: by Philip W. Savereigns.
Speaker 3: So basically, Georgia Barr Number six six case, you're wondering
Speaker 3: great stuff. So I mean, if so, basically they want
Speaker 3: the court to tell them we actually obligated to defend
Speaker 3: WCW in this lawsuit, Like, are we obligated to basically
Speaker 3: cover the cost of defending this lawsuit against file by
Speaker 3: sid And they're suing WCW to get that decision. It's
Speaker 3: just it's such a nightmare and it involves so much foolishness.
Speaker 3: It's even hard to tell how this resolves. It carries
Speaker 3: through the court system for a little while. After that,
Speaker 3: that complaint was filed with sid ud among the defendants
Speaker 3: as well as Laurianidis. On July twenty four, two thousand
Speaker 3: and three, it was it was filed and a judgment
Speaker 3: was entered a year later, July thirtieth, two thousand and
Speaker 3: flour four in favor of WSW against the plaintiff for
Speaker 3: costs of this action. So basically, if I'm reading this correctly,
Speaker 3: there was a decision that WCW basically can seek costs
Speaker 3: to defend this lawsuit from the insurance company. And it's
Speaker 3: it's amazing that there's more or disputes to come and
Speaker 3: more issues to be hashed out. So it wasn't just
Speaker 3: Sid's leg that suffered complications as a result of what
Speaker 3: happened in two thousand and one. Who knows how much
Speaker 3: he got, We know how much he wanted to get
Speaker 3: and didn't get. But again, just another example, boss, just
Speaker 3: another exhibit, if to use the parlance that we've been
Speaker 3: using here in this episode, another exhibit of Sid coming
Speaker 3: in and being given the ball at the top of
Speaker 3: the card when everything's coming to a fucking screeching halt,
Speaker 3: or everything is already bombed out. It's like, what future
Speaker 3: is there here? You know, as he's out here. It's
Speaker 3: so poetic. I think that Sid suffers this debilitating career
Speaker 3: ending injury performing for a company that had absolutely no
Speaker 3: traction in no future, because that's the circumstances where Sid
Speaker 3: has always thrived. Yep, that's the circumstances where his phone
Speaker 3: rings loudest, where the contractual offers are our richest, is
Speaker 3: when a company is on the skids, When the company
Speaker 3: that he's going to is losing significant amount of momentum
Speaker 3: and doesn't quite know where to look and for some
Speaker 3: reason for all the well, you know, some reason, for
Speaker 3: all the reasons we've documented thus far in our tribute
Speaker 3: to Sid. We know the qualities that he had that
Speaker 3: caused promoter after promoter to look to him for some
Speaker 3: reason when they needed to pick up that bat phone
Speaker 3: and figure out a way to stem the bleeding. But
Speaker 3: they did, you know, it ended up costing them in
Speaker 3: so many ways. And it's just it's just hilarious that
Speaker 3: ultimately Sid seeking to hang his hat on the idea
Speaker 3: that he can come into a territory and move business.
Speaker 3: Ended up being a point in his lawsuit that you
Speaker 3: know what, you were unjustly enriched by what I brought
Speaker 3: to the table. You were unjustly enriched by the magnetism
Speaker 3: of my name, translating into ratings for a video of
Speaker 3: my career ending being broadcast on national television. It's about
Speaker 3: as Sid as it gets. And we must now reach
Speaker 3: our final leg of the journey. And I use that
Speaker 3: not as a pun whatsoever, because we've already got a
Speaker 3: glimpse of it.
Speaker 4: We've got to of it.
Speaker 3: It was a difficult other half of life for one
Speaker 3: sid Uty after this injury at sin and after all
Speaker 3: the lead ramifications were figured out and sussed out. And
Speaker 3: when we're with you next time. In the TLF Tribute
Speaker 3: to sid we take you all the way from rehabbing
Speaker 3: the leg to entering the grave. We'll see you next time.
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