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Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and carn

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Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling.

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Speaker 3: I never seen anything.

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Speaker 4: And it's the laps fan man like the one in

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the ring. Forget about Sado. He the real king of swing.

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Speaker 5: When the bell.

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Speaker 4: Goes in the kick like me throwing in the corner,

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but gets rash like stick. Even Jerry King gets take

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off the crowd nodded in his head like its Steve

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low Brown. Would you get low down? We go even

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high up? Flipp you on your head, but you know

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cool driver, you speak more and Dragon spits fire give

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you more shock than when he treats higher drop a

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more truth than the.

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Speaker 3: Con of sniper unless you with a coconut.

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Speaker 4: Roddy Pipper Jack a JP.

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Speaker 6: He like j h D drop the cupcakes and gold

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the brain Bob means the best podcast. Frost start the

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close cloud if you are it's a classic.

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Speaker 3: And poles us we ended with it last time in

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our tribute to Sid, we have to start with it again.

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I'm sorry we have to do this, but we're nothing

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if not table setters. Here at the Lapsed Fan Wrestling

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Podcast and when we last left Sid, he was taking

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to the middle rope at the WCW SIN pay per

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view in January two thousand and one to bring an

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auspicious end to his second and of course final run

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in WCW and really his final run in the national spotlight.

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Speaker 4: As a professional wrestler.

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Speaker 3: It's the night he snaps his leg in half, and

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it's the subject of our latest chapter and our meandering,

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yet appropriate tribute to Sid.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you gotta understand, if you haven't seen this

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horrific footage, it's not like he it's not like he

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killed his knee, and like the joint is where he

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broke it, like he snapped his bone in half, Like

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his shin bone is snapped in half, like it dangles

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right like you know, it's one thing again, it's one

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thing to like, not that this is good, but to

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kind of like break the joint. You know the joint's bad,

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but to actually break the bone, to do something where

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your bone is splintered off.

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Speaker 3: Splintered is the word.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's it's it's awful.

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Speaker 3: So many jagged edges, oh, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, just I can't even imagine. I don't want to

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imagine I don't want to know. I don't want to

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know what that feels like.

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Speaker 3: Ever, it's it's sad, but it's also it's also very Sid.

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And we've talked about it that we're gonna watch it

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again because we need to put ourselves in this frame

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of mind, because we're about to take the deepest dive

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you'll find into the circumstances surrounding this injury that essentially

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ended Sid's wrestling career, and and just the follow up

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and the aftermath is also as you can imagine boss

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as Sid as it gets, I would imagine, So are

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you ready and no, So for those at home, we're

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toggled to the video, which is available on YouTube. Sid

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breaks his leg it starts. This is from the Nitro

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after Sin because, as we've pointed out, on the live

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pay per view, you don't really see the angle that

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illustrates most clearly how bad this injury was. They had

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to show an alternate angle that they had but didn't

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show in the live broadcast the next night on Moudday Nitro.

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So we start with WCW Nitro announcers Tony Shiavanni and

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Scott Hudson at the ringside desk explaining that a mystery

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partner had just run in to a four way match

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for Sid's world title when this went down, and then

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we see the injury. So we're going to hit play

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at the same time. Here on both sides, give me

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one second, three to one play.

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Speaker 4: While we were watching the mystery opponent come in.

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Speaker 7: Now Sid Vicious up on top a look at this,

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Speaker 4: The left foot. That is so difficult. No, we've seen

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it a hurdle, another angle already, so many still, just

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so why do they do that? Why?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 8: Why?

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Speaker 7: Obviously the compound fracture of the tibia and the fibula

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last night this morning underwent two hours of surgery. He

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had a forty three inch centimeter steel rotted sorted.

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Speaker 8: Into the bone.

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Speaker 4: He is still in Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis. You'll be

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out the good part of a year a long time.

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We certainly wish sambitious. Well, and uh, are they fucking

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idiots when they say that, Like do they are? Are

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they trying to be like optimistic or something? Because like

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you just say, he's done, his career is over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what makes me a year any more likely than

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five years?

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Speaker 4: Because like you know, when you see it, I don't know.

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I mean, we've certainly heard awful injuries, muscles being ripped off,

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the bone, bones being broken, you know, all sorts of shit.

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Speaker 3: It is absolutely one of the worst bone breaks ever

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in wrestling. It it really is one of the most

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I hesitated, say worst injuries ever in wrestling because people

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have died as a result of trumpet suffered in the

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Speaker 4: Least, I'll tell you this, I'd say maybe worst shown

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on television. Yeah, you know, like at least my mainstream

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known because I would imagine that there are certainly there

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have been deaths, but how many of deaths have been

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featured on a television broadcast outside of Owen Hart, Right,

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that's true too, And death is and death is a

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it's not an injury, you know, that's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you put in a different category, then this

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is certainly one of the most horrific injuries to happen

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in a wrestling ring. And I ask you, boss, if

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you were sitting on that angle that we just saw

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with Sid's foot dangling below the knee, the boot twisted

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like a string of spaghetti. Okay, slanted ARCD like a

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string of spaghetti. Yes, do you show it on Nitro

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the next night? Do you resist the temptation? Or do

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you make sure people deal with it and see it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, apparently not. Apparently you need to do it.

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you must show it. So that's need then, Yes, it's need,

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it's it's it's need.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if Nitro is winning the ratings war still

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in January twenty oh one.

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Speaker 4: If they show that, I mean, is that what they

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were going for? I really don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they have to explain where Sid's going and

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why their champion's gone. But it ends in the most

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said way possible. It's just so amazing that this guy,

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in the calling cards he had in the ring in

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terms of his work style, ends up in this position

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and this happens, and he would rue the day and

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we're going to get into all of it because you

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heard me mention that mystery man that ran in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to know who that was.

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Speaker 3: It was Animal, right, yes, and whose brother was essentially

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running WCW from a booking and finished booking perspective. At

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this point in time, the diamals, Yes, hey, what's going on?

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He's fucking back and it's all too appropriate in Acid Journey, Johnny,

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you gotta finish in mind for tonight before your bro

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runs in.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I was thinking, I was thinking, you know,

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how'd you finish this match?

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Speaker 4: They're like you called who I called? I called the Boss?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's k fabe still, Johnny. We still got

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a couple of months before we announced that whole back

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to back door angling.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, you know, I called a friend, a friend

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I got working up North, and he said, you know,

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he said, you know, I think the best finished, Pal,

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the best finish you could come up with is have

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Sid jump off the middle rope.

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Speaker 3: When you say finished, Johnny, do you mean to the

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match or to my career? What precisely?

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Speaker 9: Huh?

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Speaker 4: I don't. I'm just saying that's what I was.

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Speaker 5: That was suggested, and I put it through my you know,

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I started putting the gears into play and I said,

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all right, the gears said Sid jump it off hoom.

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Speaker 3: I win, and for reasons I'm afraid to say, we'll

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probably remain a mystery forever. John Laurie Nightis thought the

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recipe to set up the run in by the mystery

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the first time in his life, come off the middle

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rope with a kick or a flying knee. Essentially was

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his idea of something mega impactful that Sid could do

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to Scott Steiner to justify everybody being laid out, something

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that would blow Scott Steiner out of the stratasus.

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Speaker 4: Stupid fucking move.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there is no way that Sid could execute

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this that it achieves whatever effect Johnny had in mind.

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I keep going back to, you know, maybe in All Japan,

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right where they did such a wonderful job getting over

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things that are otherwise kind of pedestrian moves like a

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Speaker 4: Is maybe in maybe in No Japan, I think that

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this is a good idea.

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Speaker 3: Right or they could get over the idea that a

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knee could knock you out, whereas an American pro wrestling

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a knee knocking you out, especially in two thousand and

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one before the rise of UFC and stuff. It's just

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a laughing stock joke. Yeah yeah, and over there, you know,

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you can build up a flying knee. We saw Ken

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to do it, and then we saw Daniel Brian Brian

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Danielson adopt the busieau knee. It's the same thing. It's

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a running knee of the head and there's no reason

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that you're hurt any more than a running kick, but

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it does. And that's the only thing I can think of.

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Because remember and listeners of our Bash at the Beach

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two thousand coverage especially, we'll recall this as well as

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some of our coverage at the last Nitro. John Laurynidis

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was essentially headed the book because WCW was in such

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dire straits. It was such a fucking mess. You had

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Russo going home, You had Bischoff with absolutely no interest

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in carrying on from there. You had basically a rudderless ships.

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some responsibilities to the product. Bring in Johnny lory Nitis

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as a finished guy. Bischeff always talked about how he

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never really felt great about booking finishes, and Johnny lory

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Nitis was well art. It is an assistant Booker to

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a giant Baba as somebody that really knew how to

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put together a dramatic finish in All Japan at a

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time when WCW thought that part of the recipe of

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perhaps turning their perception around was to have more clean

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and decisive finishes to their matches. Of course a worthy exercise,

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but what ends up happening is John Lawrenitis basically ends

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up being Bitschoff and Hogan by proxies emissary at these shows,

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carrying out their will without them not necessarily having to

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be there in person. Remember it, as John Laurynidis was

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going back and forth on the phone with Hull Coogan

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about the Bash of the Beach two thousand finish with

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Vince Russeau as well, Laurie Anditis ends up being the

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intermediary between those two, and it's being basically treated as

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the boss. He's the guy who kind of chaperones around

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ww personnel. On the final nitro when the conquerors show

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up and it's Johnny Lori Nitis they turned to to

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figure out how everything works, Who's who, what's what, How

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we get our way around w CB Television, How the

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production meetings run all of that stuff, and in the

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table for three they did with Shane and Johnny and

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Bruce Prichard, Shane gave Johnny a ton of credits that

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basically got him hired because they were impressed with how

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how level headed Johnny loriniis was and holding their hand

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through everything that had to be done logistically at that

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final WCW show. So you got to John Laurynidis, who's like,

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nobody else wants it. Nobody else wants to be the

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person everyone turns to to figure out what are we

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going to do for a finish on this show, And

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so he's basically the person that pushes this and he

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would become sort of like the whipping boy for Sid

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when he would look back on this fateful and horrible

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night for him in subsequent interviews and everything else that's

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been said and written about this, this horrendous episode that

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brought Sid's in ring career to an end for all

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intents and purposes. So this is twenty oh one, and here,

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just a little while after the injury, this is Sid

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holding court on what had happened. One of the first

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times I think he talked about it in a shoot

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interview format or a video.

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Speaker 9: So Johnny had been asking me to do that Stohn

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lauryn eight for some time, and no, they knew I

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couldn't even promote Belton, you know. So I said, I

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don't feel comfortable even jumping off a rope right now,

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even to give an axe handle, and I just don't

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want to do it. And so the night of the

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pay per view in Indianapolis, he had written into the

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script and why it was so important because once I

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did that, then they were going to pan back to

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the mystery partner, who we know wasn't going to be

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on my side.

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Speaker 8: We know the finish was his brother.

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Speaker 9: And then as they come back, I think at that

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point they were supposed to have me down and getting

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their heat on me, he was just showed up and

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then not saved the day or whatever the case was.

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I just, you know, I could have the only thing

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I'd say I could have. You know, I even at

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one point that evening and said, hey, man, I don't

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I want just changes. I don't want to do it,

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and yeah, no. For several years, man, it was a

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big regret for me. I'm telling you something you're talking

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about six fucking years of rehab to get where I'm

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at today.

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Speaker 8: It never a day of it didn't go back for me.

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Speaker 9: I think about Dan wow lot animosity and not towards

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Johnny Really to myself, nothing against Johnny. Johnny's not a

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genius either, as he got a good mind for the business.

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But me jumping off giving Scott skyner Steiners and needed

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the head. That's not gonna fucking use my language, not

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do anything other than getting hurt. And I wasn't going

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to make that big of a deal. That's what you

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really bothered me about. The old thing in the hospital

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that night. I never saw I never looked at it,

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never seen the clip, never want to. Those doctors looked

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at me, and I was telling I could tell by

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their eyes something was wrong. Even when I went home

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and started doing my referral work, I didn't really know

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more about this injury to really believe.

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Speaker 8: It or not. That horse Barbara, Yes, all right.

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Speaker 9: What happens is when you have a compound factor that

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far away, there's no muscle tissue. So it's the hardest

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way for anything to rehab. And that's why it was

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so hard, and that's why it's such a long process.

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I was never predicted to walk for run again. Wow,

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I'm doing all that now. So that's why I'm a

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little biting at the bit now because now I'm ready

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and I'm ready to get back and I want to

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finish my career.

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Speaker 8: Not being carted out on a stretcher.

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Speaker 3: Didn't happen, of course, but that would just be the

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refrain of his until the day he died, essentially, And

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I mean, my god, the part of the leg with

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hardly any muscle, oh right through the skin doesn't infuriate

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you to hear him talk about how he was reticent

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to do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean he like to me, this is

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attitude era one on one. Here is people being forced

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to do shit they didn't want to do and tragedy ensuing.

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Speaker 3: You do have to wonder if, like Sid's career law reputation,

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is someone that could just be a pain in the

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ass for the sake of being a pain in the

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ass at random intervals, just to see if he could

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maybe get a little time off or get a raise.

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You do have to wonder if that factored in too,

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how hard they pushed back at his resistance to doing

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this spot or his stated resistance to doing this spot,

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you know, just of course Sid doesn't want to do it,

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so you know what, who's the boss. I can see

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that kind of coming up and being in the saw.

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I don't think anybody would ever admit to that. But

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I do wonder if it wasn't Sid, and it was

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somebody that didn't have the reputation he did, if they

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pushed back against doing this spot, if if it would

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have been taken to the mat as aggressively as it was.

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Just truly lovely? Though, isn't it that he says it

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was in the script.

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Speaker 4: And he did he did say that that was pretty great.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what did the script say? Was it a

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bullet point?

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Speaker 4: What did it say? What it did it say? Sid

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leaps off with his with one leg extended kind an

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attempt to land on on a the other leg and

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it bends in half. Well, here in the meeting that

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brings us to the main event. And wanted to talk

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a little bit about how we should format this, Johnny,

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from what I understand, you had an idea where Sid

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comes off the rope with a kick. How should we

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phrase this so it's clear at all parties on the night.

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Speaker 3: What after a great start, a should we phrase it.

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I want to be able to, you know, put a

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helpful shorthand here so that we remember what it is.

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Everyone can tell, even if they can't catch up to

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you that night, what it is Sid supposed to do?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: I you know again, I was told by my friend

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that he needs to jump off the middle rope in

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a kick formation and land on one leg.

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Speaker 3: So so you want me to actually write in here

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he has to land on one leg? Why is that Germanic?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 4: Why is that? Nessas?

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Speaker 3: Can you just can we just write here?

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Speaker 4: O't know, but it's just what my guy said.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever considered, with all the respect, Johnny, that

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this guy whoever it is you might be referring to,

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might not have your or Sid's best interest at heart?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean he's always had my best interest, you know,

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he's he's probably one of the most brilliant minds in

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this business. Okay, and uh and uh, you know he

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said he's got it, that said it has to do this,

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he has to do it.

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Speaker 3: And he said, well, he said, I'm just riding here

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in my laptop. He said to Wright that he lands

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on one leg.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely guaranteed. Fast forward.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Eighteen hours later, Sin backstage in Indianapolis. Yes, said,

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I don't know what to tell you, man. They just

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they really want you to land on one leg. I

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don't know why that part of it's so important, but

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it's a yeah. They We talked about it really longer

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than I expected to.

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Speaker 4: At the production media. Let me ask you, if you

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look in my eye right now, I'm looking. I want

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you to look deep in my eyes right now, I'm

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gonna ask you one question, because I'm gonna tell you

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right now, I do not I'm number one. I'm not

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obligated to jump ever.

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Speaker 3: Is that in your contract ever?

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Speaker 4: It's in the country I have in my mind.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and that's binding.

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Speaker 4: What I want. I want to ask you a question now.

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You look. It's real simple, It is real simple. Describe

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to me right now what it is that they want

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me to do.

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Speaker 3: Well that they said that you should go to the

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middle rope, jump off, hit Scott Steiner with a big kick,

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and that's supposed to knock him out. And they were

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specific about this in landing. They want you to land

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on one leg, not to land in your butt or

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flat back or anything like that. They want you to

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land on one leg with the other one extended like

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a kick line, almost kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Now, once you look at me, didn't the eye? And

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will you tell me the god honest truth. I want

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you to swear. I want you to swear on the

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entire business of Vienna Sausages. Is that in the script?

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It's in the script.

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Speaker 3: We talked at length and every last word was hashed over,

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and what you see there in the script said is

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what we came to final wording.

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Speaker 4: Now, I don't need to read the script, okay, but

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if I'm taking your word that that is what is

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in the script, then I'll do it, because this is

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a script in business. If it wasn't in the script

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and just some loose idea, I wouldn't do it. But

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if his or written down in ink unerasable ink, but

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I can't change, I can't wide out. Is it tapped out? Yes?

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It is shit? He goes shit. I thought I had

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an out there. What song did I send you on

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your birthday?

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Speaker 8: Actually?

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Speaker 3: No tapos, no type of the word for word.

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Speaker 4: I jump off the middle rope.

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Speaker 3: Yes, one leg, Yes, this his makeshare was written in

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the top script. Yes, make sure everybody has in sure

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sid lands on one leg it's right here.

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Speaker 4: I'll do it.

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Speaker 3: Who knew all this time that all you had to

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do was memorialize a document? Because he's thinking like a lawyer,

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you know what I mean. It's like, fuck, if it's

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written down, then I can't have my way characterizing it

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after the fact, right, which is where I thrive. So

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so a sad set state of affairs. And that these

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guys who who couldn't, who couldn't draw ten cents if

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they were dipped in glue and run through Fort Knox

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in two thousand and one are running around writing scripts

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for each other and trying to be a fucking professionalized

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TV show is utterly hilarious, first of all, and and

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just just simp matic of so many things that were

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wrong with WCW at the time. I mean, he doesn't,

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he doesn't in gene shorts, for Christ's sakes, you know,

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the fucking fraud, the indignity of this thing for Sid

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that it ends like this, it's just horrible. He mentioned Barbara.

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Did you catch that reference there in that clip?

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Speaker 4: No? I didn't.

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Speaker 3: That's a horse that was running in a high level race.

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I don't know a lot about horse racing, but it

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was it tragically snapped its leg, and it was like

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winning the race and it was supposed to take home

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all the gold and whatever the fuck is supposed to be,

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like this huge favorite to win the highest stakes horse

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race and the leg just snapped, and it was like

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a huge tragedy because you know, when that happens to

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a horse, you know what you got to do to

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the horse. You know, it's not like right, everybody knows

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what the inevitability is at that point. There's no way

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to really rehab a horse back to health when they

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suffer an injury like that, So you're basically watching the

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death of the horse. And for Sid, according to what

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he said there, until that happened and all the publicity

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around it, he never really even bothered to to lean

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in and understand the physics of what happened to his

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leg on that night, which we'll get into and of

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course as much detail as you could hope for here

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in our talf tribute to Sid. But needless to say,

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it took a lot more than just that comp pound

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fracture and trauma to bring Sid to an untimely end.

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It would take a cancer and just a whole lot

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of other things, because as he referenced there he did

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not stop being an absolute workout and rehab maniac when

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this happened. There were some dark days, but before you

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know it, you better believe Sid was back, you know,

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running the bleachers and just he's not there, not the

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guy to tell you can't walk again. And we can

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say that in his favor. And so there is there

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is more to learn about Sid and what happened here

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than just, you know, the purient element of looking in

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in this grizzly injury. So it's it's a key part

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of Sid's story and it's sort of our penultimate stop

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on the road to paying appropriate tribute to Sid, who

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of course passed away in August of this year due

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to complications from cancer.

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Speaker 4: At the age of sixty three.

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Speaker 3: So before we get to that, we do want to

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wish everyone in the Solar system a happy holiday season. Indeed,

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I don't think there's any turning back. Now the turkey

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has been put away, mostly in the sewage system.

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Speaker 4: Or in your belly. There are some leftovers.

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Speaker 3: We talked about it for those lucky enough to join

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us for the Survivor Series live call that we did

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on Patreon.

477
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,839
Speaker 4: We talked a lot about it.

478
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 3: But for the benefit of those listening here in the

479
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,240
main feed that didn't catch that or don't have access,

480
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,799
it was another successful Thanksgiving around here. In particular, anyone

481
00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:43,599
who follows our ex account knows the boss really hit

482
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,720
home at Home Run the morning after the sandwich lived

483
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:49,960
up to expectations once again.

484
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,599
Speaker 4: Oh fuck yeah. I mean it was glorious. It was

485
00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:56,720
It went down like a brick as it's supposed to,

486
00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:03,839
and it was just it's what the holidays are all about. Right,

487
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,880
So that's all I can say. Some pushback in the

488
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,440
may some pushback on the Mayo what you always say.

489
00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:12,720
I saw that. Listen a little bit, right, you know,

490
00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:16,559
Mayo whatever. But I stand by the Mayo because it

491
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,920
adds a kind of a savory, kind of counterbalance to

492
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,200
the the cranberry sauce. Yep. And it is fucking money,

493
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,880
that's right. If you if you haven't tried it, you fail.

494
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,640
And you know, if you try it and you don't

495
00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:37,000
like it, you also fail. You're wrong. Yeah, you're wrong, right.

496
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,920
I mean, you've had it. You've had it exactly the

497
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:40,519
way that I make it.

498
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: I have, and it's scrumptious. I mean, we literally recorded

499
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:47,119
my moaning the sound of my moaning voice in my

500
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,119
kitchen as it went down, and I won't soon forget it.

501
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,160
And when I make my own I do the same thing.

502
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:56,200
I apply Mayo, maybe a little more generously even than

503
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,599
you do, because to me, turkey, roast beef, those are

504
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,039
two things that have to be paired with with Mayo.

505
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 4: Honestly, I agree, I agree. I don't understand sand of

506
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,000
those fucking meats and a sandwich context of course, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

507
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:11,440
yeah yeah.

508
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: You put gravy on it, which I don't do, which

509
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,480
I think is interesting.

510
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,759
Speaker 4: I think the gravy, the gravy adds again, it adds

511
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:22,960
a richness to it. And it's I'll tell you, it

512
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,960
really is what what I find to be for me.

513
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,400
What what makes it so incredible is just how the

514
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,279
the tangy sweetness of the cranberry sauce kind of just

515
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:41,720
blends and creates it just enhances everything everything in there,

516
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:46,480
you know, like it without the cranberry sauce, that's going

517
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,480
to send gravy and and mao, it would be way

518
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,279
too rich. It would be way too rich, and I'd

519
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:52,839
want to throw up.

520
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't work. It's like turkey of course,

521
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,119
is the base of the whole thing. But honestly, cranberry

522
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,000
sauce is the most important ingredient it is.

523
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,599
Speaker 4: It really is. The cranery sauce is what makes it is,

524
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,759
what makes it shine amazing, because it just adds that again,

525
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:11,039
it just adds us this this brightness to it to

526
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,400
an otherwise a fucking brick of a sandwich. So maybe

527
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,640
I'm listening why it's not like we're eating healthy here.

528
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,559
It's a fucking brick.

529
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: Oh, of course.

530
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:18,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

531
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go in like accepting that this is not

532
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:23,759
a day that you can mark in the column of

533
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:24,720
extending my life.

534
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:26,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you want you don't let me tell you this.

535
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,680
You don't want to mark this down in your diet journal,

536
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,680
all right? You want to kind of say, oh, you

537
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:33,680
know what, I forgot to mark everything down. I don't

538
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:34,640
I remember what I ate that.

539
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 3: This is a day to be absent minded about those inputs.

540
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,559
Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah.

541
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: You know, maybe for our friends and non Thanksgiving celebrating countries,

542
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,599
they can take this advice up over the holidays, because

543
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:44,559
there's gonna be a lot of Christmas turkey served. Of course,

544
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,240
I'm sure a little leftovers that.

545
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,319
Speaker 4: Have to be Yeah, listen, you know, listen, here's the thing.

546
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,720
Here's the thing. It's it's highlighted on on on Thanksgiving.

547
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,039
But let me tell you, Yeah, I happen to be

548
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,200
you know, like currently I am in possession of another turkey.

549
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:05,559
We got our neighbors. So our neighbors got an extra

550
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,559
frozen turkey from their workplace. Yea, And they said, hey,

551
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,240
do you want a turkey. I'm like, yeah, I always

552
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,359
want a turkey. Let's do it. I might as well

553
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,720
fucking collect frozen turkey. All right, gladly, what are you

554
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,799
going to do with it? And I'm gonna wait for

555
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,559
you know what. This is a this is a post

556
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,799
holidays turkey dinner waiting to happen. Love it all right.

557
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,640
This is sometime when you kind of in the really

558
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,799
really shit months of of like mid to late January,

559
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,680
early February, where where the cult where you've completely forgotten

560
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,880
any joy you got from the holidays. That's right, because

561
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,920
you know here, you know, this is the real tragic

562
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,839
thing is that nobody really thinks that about the fact

563
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,440
that Christmas comes at the very beginning of winter. You know,

564
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,960
we all you know your mind goes to the fact that, oh,

565
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:55,920
you know, we hit December. It's winter. No no, no, no, no,

566
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,319
no no no. Winter starts December twenty first. Remember that.

567
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:07,079
And then three days later you're celebrating Christmas Eve. All Right,

568
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,000
it's just the very fucking beginning of Christmas and you've

569
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:15,559
got three months left of fucking winter. Be miserable.

570
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,279
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing that always sticks with me is that,

571
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,920
you know, it's not just that it's that Christmas couldn't

572
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,000
be further away in January exactly. It's not too it's

573
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,640
not coming back for so long that you you almost

574
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,359
feel like, as joyful as it was, you rush to

575
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,920
forget that it was Christmas.

576
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 8: Yep.

577
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if you share that feeling. It's like

578
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,200
it's like I can't no, no, no, like I can't

579
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,759
let the things linger around. How long it's going to

580
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:46,759
be again until I feel at rest like that? Yep,

581
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,359
until I feel you know, abundance like that.

582
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: And so it's times like that where a frozen turkey

583
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,759
comes in extremely handy.

584
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: Wow, that's going to be a huge January night when

585
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,279
that comes out of the oven. Yep, yep, way what

586
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,839
a way to fight back. Yeah, that's just that's it.

587
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,119
You gotta you have to.

588
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,279
Speaker 4: You have to rage against the dying of the light.

589
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: Otherwise, otherwise you're just gonna suffer. I wonder if you

590
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,279
could do the Thanksgiving sandwich with a goose.

591
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, I'm I'm I've I've never

592
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:21,799
actually had goose before. It's like, it's like muck, I'm not,

593
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,440
I'm not too. Yeah. Like I like duck, I like duck.

594
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,240
I don't love duck.

595
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I love duck with cranberry sauce.

596
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 4: Huh.

597
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,039
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I love duck with cranberry sauce.

598
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I've never gone that far. I

599
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,279
don't think I wouldn't, but I'm just saying I haven't it.

600
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,519
Speaker 3: Well, that means the seasons upon us. And if you've

601
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:43,599
been minding your p's and q's and watching the main feed,

602
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,119
you do know by now that the twenty twenty four

603
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,079
t LF Christmas Show is underway, You motherfucker, you fucking bitch,

604
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,319
It's underway. The unwrapping three, the abundance of the solar

605
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,240
system stuffing our po box to a degree heretofore never

606
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,400
seen and your co chairs are going to systematically go

607
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:08,200
through the hall, package by parcel by package by parcel

608
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,920
around the fire, and it's going to be just knowing

609
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,759
what's in the can A very special holiday here in

610
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,079
celebration of TLFX. It is a TLFX miss and we

611
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:21,759
need to once again remind ourselves as much as anybody

612
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:24,559
else that we have the best listeners in podcasting. And

613
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,759
every year our Christmas Show lays bare the proof points

614
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:30,839
that anyone who might bock it what I just said

615
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,799
can't really buck anymore after they see the kinds of

616
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,000
creativity and thoughtfulness.

617
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you I love bragging about it absolutely,

618
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,319
so one of the few things I love bragging about,

619
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,039
like people absolutely you know, I was telling I was

620
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:46,000
telling family members about it all all throughout Thanksgiving. They're like,

621
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:47,720
you know, I said, oh, you know, when we have

622
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,880
our you know, what are you guys doing next? You know,

623
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,559
what's what's kind of up on the you know, what

624
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,079
are you what are you guys going to be recording

625
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,400
about are talking about? And I said, well, actually, you

626
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,480
know what we got planing out over the entire month

627
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200
of December is our Christmas Show. They well, what do

628
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:03,680
you do What do you mean the whole month of Christmas?

629
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,119
I said, yeah, we we get gifts. What do you

630
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,240
mean you get gifts? Well, people send us presents and

631
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,319
gifts in the mail and we open them on the air,

632
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:18,000
so to speak. And you know, we put out individual

633
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:20,559
shows and they're just like, they can't believe that that

634
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,480
people send us gifts, and I'm like, well, because.

635
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,519
Speaker 3: We deserve it, right, Because everything we say, what about

636
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,960
the problem, everything we say about this podcast resonating and

637
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:33,519
meaning something to people is fucking true. Yes, And if

638
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,319
you can't grasp it, I understand because people don't get wrestling.

639
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,480
But we're over here making sure that folks that are

640
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,359
lost in the wilderness because of the things that a

641
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,119
lifetime of wrestling fandom do to you aren't lost for

642
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,960
very long, and that they have a place to go

643
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:52,599
and to share and to have joy, and at the

644
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,720
same time not fall in to the incredibly dangerous trap

645
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,400
of turning to the actual entering wrestling product to provide

646
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440
you joy, but rather sitting at a safe distance from it.

647
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,160
Well at the same time scratching the itch, because if

648
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,279
you don't scratch the itch, it's even worse and that's

649
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:09,160
what we're doing here, and we're giving voice too well

650
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,920
a lapsed fan. It's what we've been doing for ten

651
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,920
years running now, yep. And yeah, yeah, it always is

652
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,160
a joy to watch people go from really about wrestling

653
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,799
to wow, you make money, to they hit they have

654
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,400
a Christmas show. There are people out Yes, there are

655
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,279
people out there. And just because my friend, you can't

656
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,640
find anybody out there that would pay a dime to

657
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,400
hear you talk, doesn't mean that your CoA chairs have

658
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,200
that problem. Doesn't mean that your co chairs have that

659
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,759
fucking problem. Not this year, not any year, TLFX style.

660
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,400
And yeah, we definitely want to send another round of

661
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,759
hearty thanks in terms of what's to come parcel by parcel,

662
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,640
we hope you join us and that'll brightened your holiday

663
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,119
a little bit because they're very enjoyable. Gifts to a

664
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,640
wrestling fan, to the kind of wrestling fan that would

665
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,240
listen to this show.

666
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: A lap fan.

667
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need

668
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:31,119
their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan

669
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,640
Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carnacio.

670
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: M JP Sorrow keep your ears locked throughout the month

671
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,839
of December. We're going to hang a few more ornaments

672
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,359
on that tree as well, including the conclusion of the

673
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,319
of the Sid Tribute. All kinds of scheming going on

674
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,480
around what's next and under the cinemat. Over at patreon

675
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:51,279
dot com, Slash The Lapsed Fan, our executive producer Tier

676
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,400
and The Mote Tear both get access to JP's amazing

677
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,799
series about great films and lots of great films that

678
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,759
have wrestling connections. We just wrapped True the Bond Journey

679
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:04,799
on Black Friday. How poetic was that? Considering as some

680
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:09,119
folks pointed out that I think that film dropped on

681
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,320
Thanksgiving No Time to Die, well it uh it or

682
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,800
it's played at Thanksgiving huh or it's played at Thanksgiving

683
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,760
all the time? Something about it?

684
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,599
Speaker 4: Well they were know what they were talking about is

685
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,159
that Thanksgiving weekend or something like that they do the BBC.

686
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,960
I guess they do a Bond Marathon or something like that,

687
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:32,880
and that you know, listen, that is all. That's all serendipity.

688
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,320
You know, it was gonna, like I said, there was

689
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,159
always gonna be a pause in between the main uh uh,

690
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:45,239
you know Bond series and then the Daniel Craig uh section.

691
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:48,119
But the the idea that it actually happened to go

692
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:54,039
around scary movie season and then and then Thanksgiving was

693
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,920
just it just happened to happen to be that way.

694
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,119
So I was glad that it did because I also,

695
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,679
you know that that's the for me too. I actually

696
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:09,000
always think of of Bond as being, uh, you know,

697
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,719
Bond being in November, because that's when I remember seeing

698
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,719
the Pierce Bras and stuff. You know, it was always

699
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,039
around between November and December. That's when I saw them.

700
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,000
So it always felt like an end of the year,

701
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,320
you know, It's one of those ends of the year franchise.

702
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,280
It's not a summer franchise for me.

703
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,679
Speaker 8: And yeah, I.

704
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 4: It felt it felt right. It felt right to sign

705
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,199
off on that one. It was wonderful to me.

706
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 3: As somebody that really hadn't watched a single Bond film

707
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,559
from beginning to end before we started this journey, and

708
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,639
now coming out the other side, I feel so enriched

709
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,039
about such a vital part of the history of cinema.

710
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,880
So many different things you can learn about that, the

711
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,239
turns and culture of the turns and entertainment, the turns

712
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,880
in the movie business just just just a character studies

713
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,679
alone and going from you know, the earliest bonds, you know,

714
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,920
in terms of who got the nod and who was

715
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,840
who is who was occupying the role. I mean to

716
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,320
go as we did, from Connery two more to Brosnan

717
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:13,519
to a lot in between. Yep, even the laysan By

718
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:19,159
installation and of course Daniel Craig. It's just it's just

719
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,840
been absolutely fascinating. And I think that that's, uh, that's

720
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,280
some shelf life right there sitting behind the paywall for

721
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,159
those appropriately resourced to indulge. That would be a binge

722
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:30,880
worthy thing to do over the holiday break and just

723
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,960
take it by, you know, And.

724
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 4: I would hope so I would hope that that one

725
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,880
would last. That was really a a like a a

726
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:41,559
something I really wanted to do for a long time,

727
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,960
and I'd held off on on you know. I mean,

728
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,280
Goldfinger has been in on the list obviously since day one,

729
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,320
and I was always itching to do it. But then

730
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,920
when I started to see like, wait a minute, you know,

731
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,559
well wait about this, Peter my Va one, hold on,

732
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:00,880
Peter my Va is in this one, and then you

733
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,840
know you kind of like start seeing that there are

734
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,239
wrestlers and other ones and then well, how many are

735
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,360
we talking about here? And then you start really digging in,

736
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,559
and who's this pat roach? It just keeps going and

737
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,920
growing and growing and growing, and you know, hopefully, you know,

738
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:19,840
I know I got some I got some flak for

739
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,519
not doing the entire franchise just because it just doesn't

740
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,960
sit right with me. But you know, now we got

741
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:27,679
a little you know, when the time comes and we

742
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,880
can have we have five more that are waiting for

743
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,199
us at some point, and we can get all those

744
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,239
together and we can find some sort of of of

745
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,679
of connection. I'm all about it. I want I do

746
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,320
want to close it off. I do want to to

747
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:45,639
to really put a put a put a real stamp

748
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,800
on it and have every single film.

749
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: Done, done and dusted, and yes, so a lot to

750
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,400
look forward to. We turned the page to Christmas Movie Season,

751
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,760
which is really where it all started, under the cinemat

752
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,360
with Santa with Muscles.

753
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 4: Sand with Muscles and that whole, that whole first four,

754
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,639
the first four films were all you know, we did

755
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,639
jingle all the way as well, and uh, Santa's Sleigh

756
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,039
and die Hard were our first, uh our inaugural Christmas

757
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:20,239
movie season and uh, you know we're we're picking it up.

758
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,760
I'm very excited we got. I'm not going to say

759
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,800
what we got, but what we got is going to

760
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,079
be oneer full. Really, Yes, I.

761
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,039
Speaker 3: Mean we've done Home Alone one, We've done Home Alone two.

762
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,920
We've done we have done Home Alone too. Yet well

763
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,719
we did the that's right, we did the radio dram

764
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:37,960
of it.

765
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,519
Speaker 4: I mean, but it is, you know, it is on

766
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,960
the list. I think we know why.

767
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,159
Speaker 3: Sadly we did, and I did.

768
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:49,679
Speaker 4: We did.

769
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:50,599
Speaker 3: It's wonderful life.

770
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: We did.

771
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: And we've done so many Landmark Christmas pictures. We did

772
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,800
the one with the Misz.

773
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,559
Speaker 4: Yes, we two with the Miss. So what awaits us?

774
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:04,840
I can only begin. I mean I did hint at

775
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,960
it before, and I don't mind hinting out of it again.

776
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,719
So I do Miss. I do miss those really garbage

777
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:16,280
Miss Christmas movies for ABC Family. And you know, I'm

778
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,079
fortunate we were able to find something else in that vein,

779
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,000
not with the Miz. But I think it's gonna be

780
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:30,039
equally just fun, bad garbage.

781
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,679
Speaker 3: You can bet it's a movie where a wrestler in

782
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,599
a pea coat takes somebody to look for trees.

783
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:45,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least not in the la landscape that miss

784
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:46,199
was doing in.

785
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,639
Speaker 3: The spirit of the season. So Christmas movie Season under

786
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,559
the Cinemat another great time to peek under the hood there.

787
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,159
If you've been wondering if now's the time, Now is

788
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,119
the time. I'm even being told and I don't know

789
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,679
a lot about this, that you can even gift Patreon subscriptions. Now,

790
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,079
Patreon doesn't million hfer things every month, so look into that.

791
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: That's cool.

792
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure they make it pretty intuitive if that's something

793
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,000
you want to give someone for the holidays. I'm sure

794
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,639
it's like a time limited subscription to our Patreon content.

795
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,960
Of course, executive bdu sercured above get you under the cinemat.

796
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,760
The mote tear, of course, is the exclusive circle for

797
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,079
our rider dies. Those who say, you know what, I'm

798
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:23,239
going to pay more than I get this is more

799
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,920
than transactional. What's going on here for ten straight years?

800
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,639
They'd be right about that, And as always be salute

801
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,760
the real true core benefactors to the mission, and they've

802
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,840
been in receipt of a NonStop assault of wrestle Mamia

803
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,440
and those who have heard of the TLF Christmas shows thus.

804
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: Far that have been unveiled.

805
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:45,079
Speaker 3: Know that Mama Sorrow graced us, to say the very least,

806
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,360
with her presence as we opened each and every Christmas

807
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,719
package and offered commentary that even in our wildest dreams.

808
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, it is. It is truly,

809
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,679
I mean, and the beauty of it is is that

810
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,480
nobody knew when they were writing the shit they were writing,

811
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,800
or gifting the gifts that they were giving, that Mama

812
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,519
Sara would be. I mean, we didn't even really know

813
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:08,360
that Mama Sara was going to be, you know, in

814
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:11,239
house at the time. But you get a little you

815
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,599
get a little sneak peak as to what you know,

816
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:17,519
wrestle Mamia is all about, and in that regards to

817
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,840
you know, coming up, what I like to do in December,

818
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,000
like what I do in the week leading up to WrestleMania,

819
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:27,800
is I like to do starkate matches with my mom

820
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,800
for the month of December, of course until Christmas. And

821
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:38,199
by this time, I believe, yes, you they will have

822
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:44,199
seen an epic starcate encounter where when Hulk Hogan faced

823
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,920
off with Beefcake Butcher.

824
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: Oh that's a fucking top five starkate match, absolutely so

825
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,840
looking look forward to her commentary. There is you reflex

826
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,199
on remembering British beefcake. I'd imagine from your golden days

827
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:57,119
and uh.

828
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I you know, it's been a while since

829
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,039
we recorded it, but I would imagine that I talked

830
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:05,880
about the whole relationship and you know, talked about how

831
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,480
you know, he and Hogan were best friends and how

832
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:11,239
he turned on him.

833
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: I'm sure you were quick to confirm that he's in

834
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,039
fact still alive, which is one of her favorite questions.

835
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,039
Speaker 4: Oh, it is one of the best questions. And now

836
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,719
is he alive? Is he still alive? Now?

837
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 3: It depends what depends what you mean, Mom, I mean,

838
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:29,760
I just saw the dark side on him, and yeah, I.

839
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,039
Speaker 4: Mean he kind of looks it, I suppose, but it's

840
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:32,800
not a guarantee.

841
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:36,679
Speaker 3: Truly amazing stuff and the least we can do for

842
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,280
that high level support. And let me just say, in

843
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,079
twenty twenty five, as we enter our second decade, we've

844
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:46,159
got some ideas for the Moat tier to show are

845
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,559
more appreciation than even we currently do. So this is

846
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,039
probably the time to start seriously considering it, because we've

847
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:54,880
got some things that we're going to unload.

848
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,159
Speaker 4: I think on folks.

849
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:58,199
Speaker 3: That is going to create a bit of a frenzy,

850
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,800
bit of a scramble. Let's just say, yep, a bit

851
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,039
of a scarcity value coming your fucking way. That's all

852
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:11,159
I'm gonna say. What isn't scarce is the true volume

853
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,320
of selection available to lapsed fans this Christmas season, both

854
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,480
in our Pro Wrestling Tea store at Pro Wrestling Te's

855
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:20,039
dot com Slash the Laps Flan and our laps Fan

856
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,079
store over at Chopped Teas, because we have an abundance

857
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,679
of lapsed schwag to outfit yourself going into twenty twenty five,

858
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,119
to buy for the lapsed fan in your life, to

859
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,079
put on a gift list. If you are that lapsed

860
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:35,000
fan and we're hearing from wives. We're hearing from wives.

861
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,880
They want cameos, yes they do. They want shirts. They

862
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,880
want it all, they want it all, and I'm here

863
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,559
to give it to them.

864
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,679
Speaker 4: There are there are two lapsed Wife shirts for those

865
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:54,440
who have the balls to give the give their wife

866
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,519
the gift that they definitely don't want, right you know,

867
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,800
they hate that you listen to our show to begin with,

868
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:04,719
and they're gonna hate that you bought them a t

869
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,920
shirt that supports it. They're not even funny. Why are

870
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,800
you laughing? Why are you laughing? This isn't funny. That's

871
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,320
the best thing.

872
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,559
Speaker 3: Or like the homie Zach observed when his wife walked

873
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:16,119
in the room and he asked for a ball water,

874
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,719
You're not always going to get a reaction you hope for, okay, and.

875
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: Actually mostly not going to get a reaction that you

876
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,079
hope for.

877
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: Hey, as a wrestling fan, you're trained to know how

878
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,039
to deal with that, and you know, countenance it, not

879
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:31,199
let it ruin your day.

880
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, you know. And we've got obviously the SID

881
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,840
line is is is just fucking up and roaring about.

882
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,559
Oh yeah, obviously we've got Vienna's, We've Got's softball teams,

883
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:50,840
we've got udi Mania running wild. We've also got Santa

884
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,199
Monica sid so fucking I'm a fan of that one.

885
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,199
I'm a fan of that one.

886
00:44:59,159 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: You know.

887
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:03,039
Speaker 4: And if you if, if if you want to keep

888
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:07,039
your Carnies Are Forever tour continuing to you can also

889
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,119
get the Carne's Are Forever shirt. We do have some,

890
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,199
you know, some some under the cinemat schwag as well. Also,

891
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,280
you got your Christmas themed ones. You know, you can

892
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,840
go old school if you want, which the Fritz one.

893
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,239
You know, we have the Fritz Santa Claus one. We

894
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,159
got the Bruno Santa Claus one. And then we've also

895
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:34,000
got the the ones that I've made that are inspired

896
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:39,360
by classic uh uh you know Christmas movies. We got

897
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,639
the Laps fan in Home Alone style. We've got Laps

898
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,559
fan like Charlie Brown, we got laps fan like Night

899
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:52,559
remember before Christmas, laps fan like Elf like Christmas story,

900
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,840
die Hard Scrooged, There's a whole fucking you know series

901
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,440
of that, So get to it.

902
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,159
Speaker 3: Well, well they are, I mean, orders are starting to

903
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,239
come in. Shout out to Alexander who sprung for the

904
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,320
Sids Vienna's shirt.

905
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,199
Speaker 4: We appreciate that.

906
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: Always great to see those come across the transom. And

907
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,360
then folks like Paul who's just so you know what,

908
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,000
I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna go core message here.

909
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:18,280
I'm going to go with you it used to be

910
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,559
better T shirt yep, and a what a shirt to

911
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,000
wear into twenty twenty five. So we've got all kinds

912
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,320
of stuff and if you want to up the game

913
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,880
in terms of above that T shirt level of schwag.

914
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,199
Chop Teas is the store as the unbelievable work that's

915
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:35,960
being done over there on number half truly humbling, as

916
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,559
we are offering high level premium apparel with lapsed logos

917
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:43,119
plastered all over it and some original artwork and concepts

918
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,760
that you can't get in progressling tees all available at

919
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:51,480
chop Teas. Jack's jackets, hoodies, hats, pants, fanny packs.

920
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you really want to celebrate fucking TLFX, you go,

921
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,760
you go to chop Teas and you get your fucking

922
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,599
new warl order shirt because that's you know, that's one

923
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:07,559
that's been denied for forever. But there you can get it.

924
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,239
You can get it. It is there for your consumption.

925
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,119
Speaker 3: That's exactly correct. So Dicky making sure that tlf fans

926
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:19,679
are appropriately sated over at the chop Tea store. This

927
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,559
holiday season cameo is wide open. Folks are starting to

928
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:26,119
request things in the holiday spirit. Oh indeed, lovely one

929
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,039
just came across from a wife trying to figure out

930
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,840
what the hell this guy's talking about with Vianna sausages.

931
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: So what a moment that really, that really was just

932
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:37,559
something so incredible to me when reading that, and it's

933
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,719
like something about Vienna sausages. I don't just say like no,

934
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:41,840
and you shouldn't understand.

935
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: Can you say things for my husband's birthday?

936
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 4: Please? Right, just say weird shit that he wants. You know,

937
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:49,119
I don't know what it is you do. I don't

938
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,079
want to know what it is you do. Just say shit.

939
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: Bless them, yes, bless their pure hearts. If only they

940
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,920
knew the realities we uncover and the conclusions were left

941
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,880
to reach. Ignorance is bliss.

942
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 4: Okay, indeed, that's what we're.

943
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,199
Speaker 3: Learning I think as the year's turn here at TLFHQ.

944
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Speaker 4: Won't we bust? Absolutely always so much.

982
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,119
Speaker 3: Great stuff, so much stuff to keep track of, and

983
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:52,639
if you want to get some letters in a Santa's

984
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:54,639
mail bag, that thing is really filling up. It's been

985
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:57,519
a while since we've sat down with your missives. Something

986
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,760
tells me that might be an order upon the conclusion

987
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:01,559
of this SID tribute.

988
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,599
Speaker 4: I would imagine that's ye, that's the case, for sure.

989
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: It's always it's very much in the spirit of the

990
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,320
Christmas unwrapping shows. Also sit down and open some some letters.

991
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,119
So many great Solar System members send letters in fact

992
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,239
with their Christmas packages, and you'll be hearing those yes,

993
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:18,199
as it unfolds over twenty five days. But the Lapsed

994
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995
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,880
any feedback you may have, particularly as we wrap up

996
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,760
this tribute to Sid. You talked about serendipity, and one

997
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,480
of the things is when a giant like a Terry

998
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:31,559
Funk or even a Sid dies, there's always wide open space.

999
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,079
In terms of our agenda on the pod. They always

1000
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:35,559
seem to, you know what I mean, pass away in

1001
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:37,920
times like you know what, we can just keep going

1002
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,079
until we feel the subject is covered.

1003
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 8: Yep.

1004
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen in the middle of a journey, you know,

1005
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:47,280
which is very very very much to our advantage. And

1006
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:50,960
we'll be going to interesting places, boss, from what I understand.

1007
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,679
I saw a tweet from Sean Ross Sap just earlier today.

1008
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:56,039
If you go to Peacock right now and go to

1009
00:50:56,119 --> 00:51:00,800
the raw archives, it has been labeled thirty days until expiration.

1010
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:02,559
Speaker 4: Wow.

1011
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean what does this mean? I mean, I

1012
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,559
guess besides that it used to be better, of course.

1013
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 8: I mean.

1014
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,559
Speaker 4: That we're going to have to, uh, you know, fucking

1015
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:22,639
get that Netflix going.

1016
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,599
Speaker 3: I mean, what if they don't put all the braws

1017
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:26,079
on Netflix. No one said they will.

1018
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 4: That's true, that is true. No one said they will.

1019
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,079
You know that the the archive I would imagine that

1020
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:40,079
then the archive would stay on Pickcock. No so all,

1021
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,800
so they're not allowed to have any raw, any any

1022
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,360
archival raw on Pickock. That's what that expiration date tells me.

1023
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,480
They when they moved NXT to c W off USA network,

1024
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:57,639
they took all of the NXT archive, with the exception

1025
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,119
of the pay per views which are on Peacock. But

1026
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,719
the shows that run usay, they took that and moved

1027
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,800
it over so that it's like CW on demand and

1028
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,239
it's not available on Peacock anymore. Wow, what a shit show?

1029
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,840
You now? What are we doing? What a bunch of

1030
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,599
fucking idiots like you know, this.

1031
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 3: Whole thing started ten years ago when they launched the

1032
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,000
network and brought the archives to the table, and all

1033
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:20,800
of a sudden, these podcasts were created to leverage that,

1034
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,960
not to mention ours. As they talked about the lapsed

1035
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,119
fan We're like, okay, well we'll put a fucking definition

1036
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:29,480
on that, thank you very much. Who's looking for this content?

1037
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,960
And I don't think we've asked ourselves over ten years,

1038
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,000
because we've had access, do we deserve access to the archives?

1039
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:36,639
I don't think we've spent enough time wondering that.

1040
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what. Maybe you know, do we

1041
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,360
deserve access? Maybe not, But I'll tell you what you know.

1042
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:47,760
I'll claim access, yes, all right, and if I need to,

1043
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,000
I'll fucking get my own apps.

1044
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 3: I'll claim access is exactly right, not a fucking problem.

1045
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,320
Because when you cast is hard, and it's faithfully and

1046
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,280
at the high level we have for ten years, you

1047
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,119
tend to build up resources, don't you.

1048
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 4: You're damn fucking right.

1049
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: You tend to have people who have just as much

1050
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,920
on the line as you do as hosts and creators

1051
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,360
and perpetuating and seeing this thing through and filling those

1052
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,039
gaps and providing that helping hand when those who would

1053
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:20,079
seek to withhold their booty and their treasure seek to

1054
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:26,599
keep things behind their respective ironclad doors, that you know,

1055
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,880
all you do is call upon the TLF solar system

1056
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,599
to get that much more resourceful. We went through this

1057
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:34,519
when they migrated from the traditional network to Peacock, and

1058
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:37,159
then there were things lost in that battle. There were

1059
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:39,519
things that didn't make it across the transom yep. And

1060
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:42,239
as the network ticks away with just a month left

1061
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,519
to exist, you know, goodbye to all of those hidden gems,

1062
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,800
goodbye to anything that wasn't transferred from the old network

1063
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:50,679
to Peacock.

1064
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,519
Speaker 4: I know, it's so true. I mean, we again, we're fortunate.

1065
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 8: I do have.

1066
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 4: So much from from all these from from from the

1067
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:06,159
previous network that you know, were gifted to us, and

1068
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:11,840
you know, and now that's going away altogether. The whole

1069
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,960
fucking thing, you know, the old network is dead. Unbelievable.

1070
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:20,199
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why we did this. That or at

1071
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,519
least that's what that was. The missing piece. Yeah, it

1072
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,880
was access to that. I was like, Okay, we can

1073
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,400
go forever. It's there. It's sitting there, and we didn't

1074
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,880
take for granted it would always be there. But it's

1075
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,079
kind of like, who the fuck would you know what

1076
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:34,400
I mean. At the time in twenty fourteen, every sort

1077
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,639
of brand and league was thinking, we'll create our own

1078
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:39,239
over the top streaming service so our super fans can

1079
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,480
have access to everything that doesn't already you know, licensed

1080
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,000
elsewhere right here. That's everybody was doing. Remember, it was

1081
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:48,000
a battle to collect as many content hours as you could.

1082
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:48,480
Remember that.

1083
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:49,159
Speaker 4: Yep.

1084
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,199
Speaker 3: The streaming services were competing with each other on the

1085
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,039
basis of how many hours there were. There were when

1086
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,719
Disney made all those acquisitions like twenty centry Fox and

1087
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,360
all those assets, it's like, oh, we just added eighty

1088
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:00,000
thousand hours.

1089
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,559
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, say two thousand dollars.

1090
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:05,039
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, therefore we are differentiated. And now it's

1091
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:08,000
just like now they're just fucking selling it all piecemeal.

1092
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:11,280
No one gives a fuck. Archives on one streaming service

1093
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,480
one year or another of the next completely disappeared, the

1094
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:19,239
next available for three ninety nine to pop next, right whatever. Like,

1095
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,719
I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.

1096
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:23,960
If they really meant business and they went all in

1097
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,599
on making that vault available and easy to navigate and

1098
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:28,400
easy to find. If you did charge a couple bucks

1099
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,280
for each thing, I mean, we wouldn't love it, but

1100
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,599
it's the best way for them to see that this

1101
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,400
is easy money. This is this stupid model of like

1102
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:39,920
ten dollars for everything. Yeah, it never was going to work,

1103
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:42,800
and I would love for it to have worked. Trust me,

1104
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,920
that's a great price point. And the network never changed

1105
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,360
its pricing, which is amazing. You know what I mean,

1106
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,599
it's not gonna work. So if you have to charge

1107
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:53,840
all the cart whatever, But hopefully the next iteration of

1108
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,840
this idea of the wrestling archive is one that actually

1109
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,880
proves once and for all to these bottom line miscreants

1110
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,920
that this is just the easiest money you can make

1111
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:07,119
in any entertainment vertical that exists, because no one's gonna

1112
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,199
buy a single episode of Saturday Night Live, Okay, but

1113
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,320
there were hundreds of thousands of people that might rent,

1114
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,159
you know, a back because we went to the fucking

1115
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,360
video store and we did it for years, and we

1116
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,400
did it with Hunger, and this is the closest we

1117
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,519
can get to replicating that. Say what you will about

1118
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:28,119
the special interest section, but that was a big fucking section. Yeah,

1119
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:30,239
a big section for a reason, because this is something that,

1120
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,519
for whatever reason, people want to rent again and again

1121
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:36,000
and again, and new converts to the sport want to

1122
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,039
go back and rent again and again and again to

1123
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,519
get to go deeper and deeper, to broaden their knowledge

1124
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:41,320
and see what it used to be.

1125
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:41,559
Speaker 1: Like.

1126
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: That's where we're here. So I'm I'm reticent about what's

1127
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:50,880
to come on that front, but I'm hopeful too that

1128
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,880
maybe a model will emerge where finally you can be like,

1129
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,840
all right, fine, like stop fleeing, stop fucking dangling this

1130
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:02,000
carrot like there's no more concept of a monthly subscription

1131
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,480
fee for the whole library, but it will make it

1132
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,800
available in some other way and then that'll be like,

1133
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,519
all right, well, this is revenue that we'd have to

1134
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,840
lose if we took it away. We'll see one can dream.

1135
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,559
But over on Patreon we'll be charting the evolution over

1136
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:19,079
to the Netflix because not only we'll be covering the

1137
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:21,760
Saturday night's main event in live call format. But boss,

1138
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:22,920
I think you're up for it, right, we'll do the

1139
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:23,800
first raw on Netflix?

1140
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 4: Why not? Yeah, I'm done with that. You know, see

1141
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,039
what's see what's doing over there, See what it tastes like.

1142
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,599
Speaker 3: You know, they've been doing two hour raws in this

1143
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,760
lame duck period again after so many years of three

1144
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,119
hour raws, and it's been lovely. But you better believe

1145
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,239
they're going back to three hours on Netflix.

1146
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 4: Because that's that's what everyone wants, a fucking pay per

1147
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,280
view every Monday. And guess what happens when RA goes

1148
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:50,199
to three hours in January, SmackDown goes to eight hours,

1149
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,440
Smackdow goes to three hours as well. Oh my god,

1150
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:59,239
I mean what the fans don't want it? I don't.

1151
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,559
I don't. I mean, listen, you know there was a

1152
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,960
time I would have fucking begged for six hours of

1153
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,679
wrestling every week. Yep, begged for it. Not now, not anymore,

1154
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,599
like not even close market, not even close.

1155
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 3: Say all you will about AW and you know, the

1156
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,159
loss of code lost c inpunk. Just what do you

1157
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:20,960
want to point at is things that that shifted their

1158
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,400
fortunes around drastically. I'm looking around. I'm like, you know,

1159
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:25,639
is anyone going to talk about the fact that you

1160
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:27,920
can only see two hours of AW every week in

1161
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,800
the most successful early years of their existence? Yeah, and

1162
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,599
that that was like you had to be there and

1163
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:35,000
that was your diet for the week of AW. And

1164
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:36,840
then they brought a rampage and they brought a collision,

1165
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:39,039
and then they expanded their pay per views from four

1166
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,360
to six to I think eight now a year. It's like, yeah, guys,

1167
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,559
like that's kind of what happens. Like each show is

1168
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,000
going to have less punch if you're not asked to

1169
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:51,760
really savor every calorie because you don't get that much content.

1170
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,840
I mean, it's very simple, but you can't. You know,

1171
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:56,280
that's not how TV works. TVC something that catches, and

1172
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,519
they just well, let's see how how quickly we can

1173
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:04,280
you basically rape this thing until it's bereft of life.

1174
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,159
But we at least can spread that audience out over

1175
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:09,280
as many quarter hours as possible throughout the week and

1176
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:13,679
perhaps justify what we're charging to advertise against that audience. Yeah,

1177
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,880
And of course wrestling fans always losing that because then

1178
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,000
they're stuck having to watch everything, because you can't have

1179
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:19,880
an opinion about wrestling if you don't watch every last

1180
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,280
minute of it.

1181
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,239
Speaker 4: Oh, of course not no, no, no, not at all. No, no,

1182
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:22,480
no no.

1183
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: And so we wonder why wrestling fans are such fucking

1184
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:28,239
miserable fucks. It's because they have no choice but to

1185
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,159
sacrifice thirty hours of their week to wrestling if they

1186
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:32,599
want to talk about it and be fans of it

1187
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,079
and not be dunked on all the time.

1188
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:51,519
Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

1189
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:53,360
knows the boys need their candy.

1190
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:55,119
Speaker 2: It's the Lapsed Fan.

1191
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,719
Speaker 1: He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio

1192
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:15,119
and JP Sooro.

1193
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: It's great stuff, is what I'm trying to say. Boss,

1194
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:18,280
It's great stuff.

1195
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 4: And in that Vein.

1196
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: We turned back to our friend Sid. He's on the

1197
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:26,039
mend and according to some things he said and shooting interviews.

1198
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:28,840
Even one month after the surgery that he underwent as

1199
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,920
a result of his injury at Sin in January of

1200
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,480
two thousand and one, he was in the gym on

1201
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:36,280
a walker, doing power cleans on one leg, trying to

1202
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,920
get back into shape. Because, as we talked about then,

1203
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,400
we've talked about this beyond Sid, haven't we be bigger, faster,

1204
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:44,519
stronger When you get to look like Sid looks you

1205
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:46,199
have no identity if you don't look.

1206
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 8: Like that.

1207
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 4: Exactly, I mean, that's exactly it. I mean, it's a

1208
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,119
sad state of affairs, but it's the truth. You know,

1209
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,239
you cannot nor will you be able to succeed on

1210
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:07,159
any level if you don't have the look. Yeah, the

1211
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:12,119
look is all The look, is it? The look is

1212
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:13,840
the only thing that makes you matter.

1213
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,679
Speaker 3: Well, the only thing you can say that makes you

1214
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:17,239
feel better than the next guy is you get up

1215
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:18,880
at four to go to the gym instead of five.

1216
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,559
If you suffer an injury that takes you out of

1217
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,920
the gym, stay the fuck away from that guy.

1218
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 4: That's my suggestion. Okay, that's my suggestion.

1219
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,159
Speaker 3: The downside is so much more pronounced than the upside

1220
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:33,400
when you go down this path. We've established this over

1221
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,880
the years. And for Sid, somebody who, as we've talked about,

1222
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:39,440
prided himself on two a day's in a business where

1223
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,800
even one to day is hard to get in from

1224
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,239
a gym perspective, but he was just a maniac about

1225
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,119
finding gyms in every city he went to, getting the

1226
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:48,119
morning workout and maybe even the afternoon workout in running

1227
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:51,039
like crazy up the bleachers at the local football stadium.

1228
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,320
He was also a big endurance guy too. Of course,

1229
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:55,760
he had all kinds of heart problems. I mean, it's

1230
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,119
just so fucking sad when people who just kill themselves

1231
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,360
doing what we're told keeps us in shape end of

1232
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:04,599
dropping dead harder than people who don't do shit. And

1233
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:06,760
I know a lot of those people die prematurely as well.

1234
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,840
I'm not saying that's there's any kind of secret.

1235
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, like it's funny because it's the

1236
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,559
extremes are where you're getting yourself into trouble, right and.

1237
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 3: And you're in extreme territory so much faster than you

1238
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:18,559
think these days, because like you show a little bit

1239
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:20,639
of interest in working out, and then the Facebook feed.

1240
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:22,559
Speaker 4: Is like, what the fuck is with you? Let's go harder,

1241
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,159
like drink this, ship your brains out.

1242
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 3: You're not lean. If I have to see one more

1243
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,760
picture of a guy looking like RFK with white hair

1244
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,440
and like a tanned, jacked body, I'm gonna fucking I'm

1245
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:36,559
just gonna throw on the towel.

1246
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you should. I mean, listen, listen. They

1247
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,599
probably they probably had their bodies surgically enhanced to look

1248
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:43,840
like that.

1249
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't It's not a red flag by now

1250
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:47,760
as opposed to something worth reaching for.

1251
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 4: I guess not.

1252
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 3: But we're just gonna keep going down this path, even

1253
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:52,880
the even triple H.

1254
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: You know, look at that.

1255
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,599
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know whether where the heart at

1256
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:56,760
Tech came from, but I can take a guess. I

1257
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,360
can take a guess. Yeah, And he's back, He's back

1258
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,039
on the ground, you know what I mean, trying to

1259
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:05,239
flex his biceps as much as he can. It's just

1260
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:06,719
it's just a life you sign up for.

1261
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:08,079
Speaker 4: It's just like exactly.

1262
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: And so for sid, if he can't walk, that doesn't

1263
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,519
mean he can't fucking rip that upper body you know,

1264
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:17,159
it doesn't mean his one leg, but you could hear

1265
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:19,239
in that interview clip we played kind of the desperation

1266
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,760
in his voice to get across the idea that he's

1267
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,800
back again, that he's you know, that he's in shape again,

1268
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,880
that he's he's you know, but he stopped making it

1269
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:31,480
sadder than it has to be.

1270
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? And that's not true.

1271
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,440
Actually he's making it sadder than it has to be.

1272
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, stop making it sadder that it

1273
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:38,880
has to be.

1274
01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:41,119
Speaker 4: Like he said, he stopped making it sadder than it

1275
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:43,320
has like. No, actually he's continuing.

1276
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:49,719
Speaker 3: Continuing to really you know, you know, only able to

1277
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,840
put seven pounds of pressure on the leg. Ah huh,

1278
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:58,559
what do you want? I mean, sure, that's normal, and

1279
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:00,519
he's out there just like so mad about that that

1280
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:03,920
he's running into that wall every day, testing that limit

1281
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,440
pretty much every day. To hear him put it at

1282
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:07,519
least now, remember he's doing this shoot interview, as he

1283
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:09,639
said there about six years after the injury, so he's

1284
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:11,400
really trying to get the idea out through this shoot

1285
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,280
interview that he's available again and able to perform at

1286
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,039
a high level, which I don't think is the case, honestly,

1287
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:18,960
because we did see him in a handful of indie

1288
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,159
appearances after this injury, and the limitations were I think

1289
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,559
very apparent. All the credit in the world to him

1290
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:27,960
to get back into an ability to walk around. But

1291
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:29,880
as we'll talk about later, he got a little bit

1292
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,840
more candid as the years went and one of his

1293
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,760
feet was like too short, one of his legs was

1294
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,039
like too short, and it would just throw everything off.

1295
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:38,199
He just he wasn't gonna be able to work again.

1296
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,159
But no, he's going. He's testing the limits right out

1297
01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:46,920
of the gate right away. Says, you know, running into

1298
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,519
that wall every day, it was tough. I ran through

1299
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:53,159
that wall eventually, and it really got sad for me,

1300
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,039
he said. It really got sad for me. Says, I

1301
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,519
was running. I got a hellover in Memphis, one hundred

1302
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:02,039
and ten yards up pretty steep angle. I run to

1303
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:04,039
the top of it, I spit and I step on it.

1304
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,360
Because to him, when he does that, he's stepping on

1305
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,199
somebody who told him he couldn't climb that mountain. That

1306
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,599
that's how That's what makes said tick. That's what makes

1307
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:15,760
said tick is thinking of somebody who doubts him or

1308
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,079
pisses him off, and carrying forward. So that's what I

1309
01:05:19,159 --> 01:05:22,840
think in my mind, that's what makes me get up

1310
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,360
that hill another time. And I can run bleachers for

1311
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,159
sixty minutes NonStop. I'm in such shape, it's phenomenal. And again,

1312
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:33,199
this is the things he's saying after the injury and

1313
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,320
getting back out there. Here's a bit more context and

1314
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,239
color around that from the same shoot interview.

1315
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,159
Speaker 8: Man, I'm gonna tell you something.

1316
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 4: I had to.

1317
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 9: It really put a strain on everything in my life

1318
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,440
because at first I didn't I was hitting the ball,

1319
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,400
but it wasn't effectively. I said, Okay, I don't know

1320
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,199
what I'm doing. The dogs weren't really giving me a

1321
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,159
lot of telling me what was going on either. One

1322
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:01,960
doctor final teming and he said, you're not gonna really

1323
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:02,639
walk again.

1324
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 8: Man.

1325
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 9: From that point on it was it was pretty scary.

1326
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,119
So I had to work harder hard I would want.

1327
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,599
I'd work out in the morning that I go to

1328
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:11,360
rehab for three and a half to four hours a

1329
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:12,880
day every day.

1330
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 8: For years.

1331
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 9: I did this so depression. I never dealt with depression

1332
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,440
before I had to deal with that. You know, I

1333
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,519
didn't even know I was dealing with depression. You know,

1334
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,320
I never you know, I don't have anything to be

1335
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,960
depressed about. It's one of those things you don't even

1336
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,760
realize it's hitting it till it's too late. Caused me

1337
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:33,440
a lot of problems.

1338
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 8: With my family. You know.

1339
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,239
Speaker 9: I'm just now able to get make up to my

1340
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,840
family the things out of the way I was acting.

1341
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:42,920
And I didn't even know why I was acting like that.

1342
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,800
I had to go through a you know, anger management

1343
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,519
course because I was so angry at the whole world.

1344
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:52,719
I wouldn't blame anybody for anything, but boy, I would

1345
01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:55,039
just you know, And I use anger as a tool

1346
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:57,440
for me to to succeed sometimes.

1347
01:06:57,519 --> 01:06:59,679
Speaker 8: I whatever's going on, I'm gonna work.

1348
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 9: I'm damn man, I'm gonna work out three times today

1349
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,800
and I'm gonna run bleachers twice, so that would push

1350
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,639
me and making me do better. This time, anger didn't

1351
01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:12,320
work for me. It just made a hole deeper and deeper.

1352
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 3: Wow, Jesus, that'll show him. I work out harder. Oh, fuck, said,

1353
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:22,679
have mercy, Have mercy on us. You're gonna work out harder.

1354
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,079
How will we ever get back at you?

1355
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 4: My God?

1356
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 3: That that guy that gut really kind of dark for

1357
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:30,440
a second.

1358
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:36,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you look, he's he's, he's, he's he's

1359
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,880
a mess. I mean, I'm also, how can you not

1360
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,159
be a mess after that? You make a stupid mistake

1361
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,760
like that, but like doing a move like that and

1362
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,039
all of a sudden, you can't you lose your entire livelihood.

1363
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,639
You should be depressed. Yeah, yeah, you have miserable.

1364
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:52,679
Speaker 3: You have excuse to, you know, you definitely have a

1365
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,440
license to at that point, for sure, it's like, you know,

1366
01:07:55,679 --> 01:08:01,519
you you fucking ruined it. I would, man, there's a

1367
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:05,039
story there. There's a story there. I mean, I've verged

1368
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:08,760
dark side cameras to point their lens here, because let

1369
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,079
me tell you, like no one knows really what Sid

1370
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,639
was like coming home from that injury and just everything

1371
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:17,520
that he built, his whole, everything he put in his

1372
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,800
back was fortified by those legs, you know. Yeah, and

1373
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,439
to not have that and the kind of things he

1374
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,960
might be making reference to about making family life it

1375
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,840
sounds like a hell for a little while, and not

1376
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,279
really be able to control it or know exactly why

1377
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:33,640
he was feeling that way. It was classic depression, and

1378
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,079
I wonder what it came down to for sid because

1379
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:39,000
you know, for the wrestling fan, he snapped his leg

1380
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,239
him and appearenteer there. He showed up in like two

1381
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:44,880
thousand and two and that ill fated Wrestling All Stars

1382
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,119
World Wrestling All Stars operation that thought it would kind

1383
01:08:47,119 --> 01:08:49,159
of pick up the pieces of WCW, signed some guys

1384
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:51,159
and run some shows out of Australia. They did a

1385
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:52,760
pay per view or two we went nowhere. I think

1386
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,359
he showed up as their commissioner once, so he did

1387
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,479
see him, but we didn't see him. You know, we

1388
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,760
didn't really get to take the measure of if he

1389
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,479
was anywhere close to this that we remembered before the injury.

1390
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,800
He just pretty much faded. If it seems like you

1391
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,239
fell off the face of the earth after this injury

1392
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,239
and the subsequent sale of WCW two, right, I mean

1393
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,640
that the company disappeared as well, right exactly. Even if

1394
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,520
he was ready to come back, we as wrestling fans,

1395
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,840
would be none the wiser about his status because there

1396
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,479
was no platform for him to come back to because

1397
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,399
ww wasn't apparently interested. And if it seems like you

1398
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,159
fell off the face of the earth, well it's because

1399
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:26,159
he pretty much did I changed.

1400
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 9: My phone renumber. Wow, I didn't want to hear asked

1401
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,199
that story. I didn't want to answer that story. I

1402
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:34,000
don't answered any more questions about that anymore. On the

1403
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:39,159
other hand, have been so many good people that you know, strangers, like,

1404
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,760
for instance, when I was going to the dealings, I

1405
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,800
knew for instance, I had I could walk get out

1406
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,760
of my vehicle, and I could walk so many steps

1407
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,520
before I had to sit down. There were people that

1408
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,199
were personally parkeding my vehicle for me, opening the doors.

1409
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,199
Speaker 8: For me, things like that.

1410
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,039
Speaker 9: You know, hey, we're praying for you. I think those

1411
01:09:57,159 --> 01:09:59,680
were good things that were good that parts of my

1412
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,960
life kept me going. Yeah, the rest of business has

1413
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,199
a tendency to ask the single nag in questions if

1414
01:10:07,239 --> 01:10:09,640
you're talking to one of the boys, especially to know

1415
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:12,439
how that leg that hadn't happened, why did it happened?

1416
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,199
Explaining it time and time again. For three it seemed

1417
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:19,039
like even today, I'm still answering it. But for three

1418
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:21,880
four years, man, it was all day every day.

1419
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 4: He changed his number. YEP, I mean, were you that

1420
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,520
many people are calling you? Probably? I mean, I guess maybe,

1421
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:33,079
But what.

1422
01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 3: What's his point about that? They're calling to get the

1423
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,640
story right as much as they're calling to see how

1424
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:42,680
he's doing, and he could.

1425
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,399
Speaker 4: Sense more so probably to get the story right.

1426
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you've heard this before. Like around then, It's

1427
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,399
like I didn't text him back because I got the

1428
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,199
sense that he was texting me not because he wanted

1429
01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:55,560
to know how I was doing, but because he wanted

1430
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,359
to know how I was doing so we could pass

1431
01:10:57,399 --> 01:11:00,159
it along, right and be the person in possession of

1432
01:11:00,319 --> 01:11:03,800
new information about something that was water cooler talk in

1433
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:09,079
the wrestling business. Definitely definitely the creepiest kind of person

1434
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:10,800
you can run into. That kind of Oh, for sure,

1435
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,600
you know what I mean. That's doing reconnaissance for some

1436
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,239
secret poison and not actually talking to you but almost

1437
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:18,079
talking through you in a way. And that it got

1438
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:20,079
to the point that he had to change his numbers,

1439
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:21,720
and knowing the business could call him a check in

1440
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,840
on him is really I think it's really pointing us

1441
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,920
to something about the wrestling business that we've always kind

1442
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,439
of circled around, and I think this kind of puts

1443
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,680
a finer point on it. It's like, this is a

1444
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,960
business where even your friends are kind of just trying

1445
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,640
to make currency out of being your friend. M right,

1446
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,000
because if I know kind of what's if I knew it,

1447
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,159
and I think too, there's probably a degree of like

1448
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,159
asking him over and over again what happened because they're

1449
01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:52,279
horrified it's going to happen to them. Yes, that's I

1450
01:11:52,319 --> 01:11:53,920
don't know if you know what I'm talking about, but

1451
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,479
it always drives me pretty crazy in life, where you

1452
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,520
get the sense that people are not asking questions because

1453
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,840
they're concerned about the episode, that what they're really concerned

1454
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,239
about is how can I tell myself that this won't

1455
01:12:05,279 --> 01:12:09,920
happen to me. I'm looking for information about this murderer

1456
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,880
not because I care about the fact that somebody was killed,

1457
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,039
but because I want to tell myself that I can

1458
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:17,439
prevent the circumstances that led to this person being killed.

1459
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,239
And the more I find out about it, the better

1460
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:22,359
I can feel about myself. Kind of a selfish mission.

1461
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:25,880
I always got the sense, you know, and whenever you'd

1462
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,760
write about someone in the newspaper that went through a

1463
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,840
hard time, you know, around the holidays, there'd be a

1464
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,159
lot of stories about families that fell upon tough times,

1465
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:35,479
facing foreclosure or whatever the case may be, and you

1466
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,840
always found that people pride for details not because they

1467
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,920
felt badly and wanted to understand and sympathize and empathize,

1468
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,279
but they wanted the details because they wanted to tell

1469
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:45,359
themselves so they couldn't find themselves in that position just

1470
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:48,439
as easily. And it wouldn't surprise me if that was

1471
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,159
going through the minds of a lot of the wrestlers

1472
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:52,279
that had SID repeat this injury story over and over

1473
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:56,680
and over again. You know, when in my life, might

1474
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,000
I be confronted with a spot that I don't feel

1475
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,640
comfortable doing? And what did what did SID not say

1476
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,520
that I would have to say to prevent and prevent that?

1477
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,039
You know, I have to come away from this story,

1478
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:09,520
and I'm putting words in people's mouths.

1479
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:10,279
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck.

1480
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 3: I have to come away from this story with something like,

1481
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,039
well shit, I mean, if I was SIT, I wouldn't

1482
01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:18,039
have done that. If I was SI, I wouldn't have

1483
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:18,319
said that.

1484
01:13:19,039 --> 01:13:19,159
Speaker 10: You know.

1485
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,359
Speaker 3: In other words, it's almost blaming the victim, right so

1486
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,520
that you can feel protected, of course, if ever encountered

1487
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,800
by a similar set of circumstances. Of course, all of

1488
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,760
this is designed to try to navigate away from the

1489
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,039
fact that you know, things don't happen per a prescribed pattern.

1490
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,119
Cause and effect is almost impossible to establish in this life,

1491
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:44,399
and you never get the solace you seek when you

1492
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,640
pry for details around a tragedy. You never get those.

1493
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,359
That's solace because it probably happened to that person for

1494
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,840
reasons that you can chalk up to the randomness of

1495
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,560
the universe. And that's a deeply unsettling reality. And people

1496
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,720
will dig and dig and dig and dig and ask

1497
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,840
what abouts, yeah, butts until they feel like there's some

1498
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,159
cause and effect that they could prevent themselves from being

1499
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:09,840
a victim to as well in the future. And when

1500
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,439
someone gets hurt in the wrestling business, I don't know,

1501
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,439
I feel like I've heard this before. I'm struggling to

1502
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,479
come up with more examples, because you know, SID is

1503
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,399
the topic to shore right now. But where it really

1504
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,680
is like they're checking in on me, but they're not

1505
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,600
checking in on me, not at all. They're trying to

1506
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:27,039
assuage their own anxiety and make currency out of the

1507
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:29,439
information I may provide to them. So the fact that

1508
01:14:30,119 --> 01:14:31,960
the fact that it got to the point and two

1509
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:35,000
I got to think for somebody is work out obsessed

1510
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:37,880
and physique obsessed to Sid. I mean, how much much

1511
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,159
it must it fuck with you that the only thing

1512
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:42,199
anybody wants to ask you is how you'll never be

1513
01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:42,760
the same again?

1514
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:51,159
Speaker 4: Essentially? Oh, I mean yeah, he's basically being told all

1515
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,920
the time that he's just you know, it's you know,

1516
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,199
you're never going to be what you were, right, It's

1517
01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:58,840
not going to happen, so stop.

1518
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 3: It's you know, when you think about Sid and when

1519
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,640
he passed and we thought about a tribute show, it

1520
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,760
was like, all right, yeah, the Hogan feud, the funny

1521
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,520
shit he said in WCW, you know, bursting onto the

1522
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,399
scene in NWA. But you almost forget that, Like the

1523
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,800
ending is what's most poignant about the Sid story.

1524
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's true.

1525
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,359
Speaker 3: It's underplayed because he underplayed it, because he changed his number,

1526
01:15:25,399 --> 01:15:28,520
because he wasn't out there doing reams of interviews about

1527
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,199
the rehab process. It wasn't documented under wrestling. You know,

1528
01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:33,840
if WCW was still in business, I'm sure we would

1529
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,560
have gotten vignettes of him recuperating, right, Oh, for sure,

1530
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:38,920
they would have tried to do something that would have

1531
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,399
done a sit down at his house or something. They

1532
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,840
would have tried to make content out of it, but

1533
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:47,239
the fact that it aligned that it was coincident with

1534
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:50,840
the final circling of the drain of World Championship Wrestling

1535
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,279
as a business really put this story even further and deeper,

1536
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,239
I think, into the shadows and the recesses of the

1537
01:15:56,279 --> 01:15:58,800
wrestling fan's mind. Yes, because back then it was truly

1538
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,920
out of sight, out of mind. I mean, honestly, there

1539
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,560
was no social media. You couldn't keep people abreast of

1540
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,560
how you were doing independent of a platform like a

1541
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,439
wrestling television show or doing an interview for a wrestling

1542
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,560
website or something like that, thing wrestlers probably you know,

1543
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,319
wouldn't do anyway. But you know, there was no way

1544
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:18,039
to keep people abreast of how you were doing if

1545
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:21,439
you were still alive, you know, if you couldn't walk

1546
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,520
still or did your leg ever recover, No idea, Nope,

1547
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,119
Sid just scouries into the corner and again changing his

1548
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:32,319
number and going into a depression and becoming very difficult

1549
01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:35,800
to deal with on the home front. It's years that

1550
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,560
it's years that are really cruel for a guy who

1551
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:47,800
mastered this character of being this complete separated from reality guy. Right, Yeah,

1552
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,600
that he's got the ultimate reality check he does in

1553
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,119
the form of immobility and inability to be the only

1554
01:16:54,199 --> 01:16:56,640
thing that ever paid the bills for him. Really, I

1555
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,640
mean that's not true. I mean, you know, he found

1556
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,600
ways in agriculture to pay the bill, but I mean

1557
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:01,399
pay the bills that.

1558
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean, look, you're not making that much

1559
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,159
money compared to wrestling, right, And he was always very

1560
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:09,800
comfortable with that. At least he's represented it. But he

1561
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,359
had a funny way of showing it because he would

1562
01:17:11,359 --> 01:17:13,319
go back to the negotiating table every chance he got

1563
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,199
try to get a little more. So for someone that

1564
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:18,520
was perfectly happy with the farm boy lifestyle, he certainly

1565
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,840
minded his p's and q's from a fucking W two

1566
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,000
perspective or ten ninety nine perspective.

1567
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:27,560
Speaker 3: I think I should say, as we've documented and talked about,

1568
01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:32,039
so there it goes sid oft into the shadows. Well,

1569
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:35,880
we hear from him again, we're not sure it was.

1570
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,760
There were some indignities here, and you start to sense

1571
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,279
in little drips and drabs that he didn't just chalk

1572
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:45,039
this up to dark fate, that he's starting to feel

1573
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:47,800
a little, a little kind of pissed off about being

1574
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,399
put in this position in the first place. Here's a

1575
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,199
clip from a podcast that he did about the injury,

1576
01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:55,960
and he remembers one thing in particular that was an

1577
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,800
indignity about the immediate aftermath of this injury in Indianapolis.

1578
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:03,359
Speaker 11: To be honest with you, Luke, I was just I

1579
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,800
was thinking about that a little bit today. You never

1580
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,880
recovered for something like that, first of all, and how

1581
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:13,399
they treated me was pretty not that well. Meaning to

1582
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,520
get from the hospital to the airport, if my wife

1583
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,680
hadn't have been there, I wouldn't have made it, and

1584
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:21,920
so they left me and her to do it by ourselves.

1585
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,439
She can't push me up a hill in a wheelchair.

1586
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,319
We struggled getting the airport at a nacy little airport

1587
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,520
airport at Indianapolis, And so that would be the answer

1588
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,680
to that. They didn't treat me very well on that deal. Now,

1589
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,279
as far as how it affected me to my life

1590
01:18:37,399 --> 01:18:40,399
is it's the effect they ever joined my body from

1591
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,960
my shoulders being on that walker for so long, and

1592
01:18:43,079 --> 01:18:44,079
the crutches.

1593
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 8: And.

1594
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 11: Now that i'm you know this left leg where I

1595
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,359
broke it, now my right knee I need knee replacement.

1596
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,479
I'm fighting against that actually is doing much better, however,

1597
01:18:54,319 --> 01:18:58,479
But again it's just it's just it's just a domino effect.

1598
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,399
This made that ankle now starting to work itself to

1599
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,199
my hips and not bad, you know, but I can

1600
01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:07,720
feel it, you know, so you never the answer is

1601
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:08,920
you never recovered.

1602
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:09,359
Speaker 8: Something like that loop.

1603
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 11: That's probably to sleep. They put horses asleep because the

1604
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,680
break is so far down from my heart. It can

1605
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,920
never men. I don't know why.

1606
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:21,239
Speaker 8: The doctor's never really.

1607
01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 11: Excited to me that I pretty much lost lost my

1608
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:29,239
left calf over the years. I can't extends. I can't

1609
01:19:29,279 --> 01:19:31,880
walk on my left hill if you ever tried that.

1610
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,039
I can walk on my right hill with my foot

1611
01:19:35,079 --> 01:19:39,199
off the ground, but not my left. So I got

1612
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,199
really just used in one leg.

1613
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 3: Ended up on one legged man. And he walked around

1614
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,960
and did some wrestling, but he was a one legged man.

1615
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,840
And and that's an interview that he did well after

1616
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,439
there was any pretense of him getting back into a

1617
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,279
high earning position in the wrestling business. That was him

1618
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:02,399
years and years, I think twenty twenty one. Actually talking

1619
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,520
about the final analysis, if you will, about the injury

1620
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,039
told you don't even think about, like you said, the

1621
01:20:08,119 --> 01:20:10,560
crutches and the walker and what that does to your shoulders,

1622
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,600
right to carry all that weight just on shoulders that

1623
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,760
was that was never accustomed to carrying it before. I'd

1624
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,600
imagine all kinds of muscles and joints get strained like

1625
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,039
they've never experienced before as you try to rehab something

1626
01:20:23,159 --> 01:20:25,279
like that, And even when the leg gets a bit better,

1627
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,399
all of a sudden you're dealing with a knee replacement

1628
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,800
in the other knee, or you're dealing with a shoulder

1629
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:30,880
issue or a hip issue.

1630
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 4: Right, man fell apart.

1631
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,119
Speaker 3: Jesus, the man fell apart physically and mentally as a

1632
01:20:37,159 --> 01:20:40,680
result of what happened at Sin two thousand and one.

1633
01:20:41,399 --> 01:20:43,960
And it's crazy that this is kind of where that

1634
01:20:44,079 --> 01:20:48,119
story ends, right, you know that there's nothing more to it.

1635
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:51,079
I mean, you would expect more from this story, but no.

1636
01:20:51,159 --> 01:20:54,039
I mean I listened to the shoot interview that he did,

1637
01:20:54,079 --> 01:20:55,920
one of them with Hannibal, and he was asked, you know,

1638
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,760
if there was like a detail effect from this, and

1639
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:58,520
here's what he said.

1640
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,119
Speaker 12: Was there ever any legal situation with WCW over them

1641
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:05,119
asking me to do a movie we're comfortable with?

1642
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 8: No?

1643
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:14,159
Speaker 3: Come now, the plaintiff Sydney Rudy and pursu into OCGA

1644
01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:18,159
nine to eleven fifteen A files this amended complaint and

1645
01:21:18,359 --> 01:21:22,600
further shows the court as follows. No legal Rammit, give

1646
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,520
me a fucking break, sid Have we not learned anything

1647
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:26,359
about sid Udy?

1648
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:27,079
Speaker 8: Oh?

1649
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,039
Speaker 3: Did he not go down to the Fulton County Courthouse

1650
01:21:30,119 --> 01:21:33,000
and seek redressed from the legal system for what happened

1651
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,840
to him at SIN two thousand and one? Here got

1652
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,399
Jimmer and are we uniquely positioned as the podcast to

1653
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:38,960
bring it to you?

1654
01:21:39,159 --> 01:21:39,319
Speaker 4: Yes?

1655
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:42,039
Speaker 3: We fucking are. Did this take three four years after

1656
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:44,399
the injury to resolve? Yes, it did, Boss. You see

1657
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:48,960
in your possession, Oh boy, series of documents, oh boy,

1658
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:52,920
pulled and called from your co chairman. Of course, enjoying

1659
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,800
the resources we do from the support of the TLF

1660
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,960
Solar system, we're able to go the extra mile and

1661
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,279
pull some court filing to bring you the full story.

1662
01:22:01,399 --> 01:22:04,119
Things that a lot of details I'm sure that to

1663
01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:06,359
this point have never been made public. There's a bit

1664
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,680
out there about this because he did appeal it, and

1665
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,920
those appealed decisions are pretty well circulated and easy to google,

1666
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,520
which is also the case for example, in the Russo

1667
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,720
versus Hogan w W Bashett's Beach Case. But as anybody

1668
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,039
who listened to those shows will tell you that that

1669
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:24,840
appeal decision does not tell you anywhere close to the

1670
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,479
full story. You got to go a bit deeper and

1671
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,760
pull some more files than that. And so he fucking

1672
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,000
did it, because I don't know if you think this

1673
01:22:32,119 --> 01:22:33,520
is a game by now, I don't know if you've

1674
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:38,159
got the memo, but it's not. In the Superior Court

1675
01:22:38,199 --> 01:22:42,279
of Fulton County, State of Georgia, Sydney rud plaintiff versus

1676
01:22:43,239 --> 01:22:47,840
Universal Wrestling Corporation Incorporated Formerly known as World Championship Wrestling, Inc.

1677
01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:51,840
Turner Sports, Inc. And Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated. And who

1678
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:56,880
else is a defendant boss named Johnny Laurenidis and parties

1679
01:22:57,039 --> 01:22:59,000
X Y and Z. If you have in front of

1680
01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:01,439
you what parties X Y and Z mean, Well, we'll

1681
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:05,079
get to it. It's I think it's people he doesn't

1682
01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:08,520
really quite know to identify yet. And sid leg complaint

1683
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:09,079
is that what you have?

1684
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 4: I have?

1685
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:15,159
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, So we're gonna turned it over to sid

1686
01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:17,359
Udy himself, and what I understand has been prepared to

1687
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:21,880
deliver a dramatic reading Uh, this is basically the first

1688
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:26,199
shot across the bow. The lawsuit filed. It's February fifth,

1689
01:23:26,279 --> 01:23:29,239
two thousand and three. And Sid has been going through

1690
01:23:29,239 --> 01:23:31,479
all the rehab that we've heard him talk about. Sid's

1691
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,520
been boiling and simmering with tension about how this whole

1692
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,239
thing went down. And Uh, if my math is right,

1693
01:23:38,319 --> 01:23:40,960
his WCW contract is about to expire.

1694
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 4: Or it already has. Those checks have stopped coming. I

1695
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,039
think two.

1696
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, most people rather yeah, most people seem to say

1697
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,119
that their deals ran through twenty two, that the latest

1698
01:23:52,119 --> 01:23:54,319
we know his, though we do know his, we do

1699
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:54,600
know his.

1700
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, what am I saying? And there was twenty o two?

1701
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,880
You're right? I think it was two thousand and two. Yep.

1702
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, the check star stop rolling,

1703
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,359
and it's time to see if we can't get a

1704
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:06,039
little more, because God damn it, I'm in this position

1705
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:10,159
because of World Championship Wrestling and johny Lorinitis's negligence, and

1706
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:11,600
I'm gonna find an attorney.

1707
01:24:11,279 --> 01:24:15,279
Speaker 4: Who agreed to this on my own. This was not

1708
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,359
my decision.

1709
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 3: As he points to the leg and as he points

1710
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,399
to the courthouse, boss, please let us hear the case

1711
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:24,640
is laid out by mister.

1712
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:30,560
Speaker 4: Udy starting from second amended complaint. That's exactly correct. Second

1713
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:37,119
amended complaint comes. Now the plaintiff, Sydney Rudy and pursued

1714
01:24:37,319 --> 01:24:42,880
OCGA nine eleven fifteen A files this amended complaint and

1715
01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:49,079
further shows the court as follows jurisdiction and venue number one.

1716
01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:54,560
Plaintiff Sydney Ruty, Mister Beauty is a resident of the

1717
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:59,039
state of Arkansas. Mister Beauty entered into contracts with one

1718
01:24:59,159 --> 01:25:02,319
or more of defend in the state of Georgia as

1719
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:10,199
a professional wrestler defendant. Universal Wrestling Corporation Incorporated UWC, a

1720
01:25:10,359 --> 01:25:16,439
Georgia corporation, was formerly known as World Championship Wrestling Incorporated,

1721
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:24,239
a Georgia Corporation. UWC's address is seventy five Rockerfeller Plaza,

1722
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:27,159
New York.

1723
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 3: You fucking really, I guess so. I mean, we've talked

1724
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,920
about this on Bash of the Beach. When ww folded,

1725
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,159
they created this entity UWC to handle all the winding

1726
01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:39,920
down business matters of the company. Interestingly, UWC was also

1727
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,479
the name given to the transition company when Crocketts held

1728
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:46,000
to Turner in eighty eight. But yeah, they just incorporated

1729
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,960
it in New York, right, I think the Turner offices

1730
01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:49,800
were essentially located at the time.

1731
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,159
Speaker 4: Like how did they do that? So it's just very weird, Like,

1732
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,840
I mean, I know that, but like, how did so?

1733
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:01,520
So w CW was owned WWE at this point.

1734
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 3: Right, so they couldn't call it WCW anymore because that

1735
01:26:04,039 --> 01:26:05,960
had been sold. They had to create a new company

1736
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,279
that could absorb all of the obligations and paperwork that

1737
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:14,279
WWE didn't want, WOW didn't take with them and call

1738
01:26:15,119 --> 01:26:18,920
that the assets and liabilities of a Universal Wrestling Corporation.

1739
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:24,319
Speaker 4: That's wild. UWC can be served through its registered agent,

1740
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:31,079
CT Corporation System, twelve oh one Peachtree Street, Northeast Atlanta, Georgia,

1741
01:26:31,159 --> 01:26:34,680
three zero three sixty one. UWC is subject to the

1742
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:44,560
jurisdiction of this court defendant Turner Sports Incorporated. TSI, Well,

1743
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,920
why do they have to put I guess just for

1744
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,399
the sake of ease of having the right?

1745
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1746
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 4: Is a Georgia corporation may be served through its registered

1747
01:26:55,960 --> 01:27:00,039
agent in Georgia. CT Corporation System twelve o one on

1748
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:04,800
PHG Street, Northeast Atlanta, Georgia, three zero three six y one.

1749
01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:10,399
TSI's address is seventy five Rockefeller Plaza, J. Cannon, New York,

1750
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:14,680
New York, one double O one nine. TSI is subject

1751
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:20,800
to the jurisdiction of this court. Defendant Turner Entertainment Group

1752
01:27:22,119 --> 01:27:27,439
Incorporated TEG is a Georgia corporation and may be served

1753
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,920
through its registered agent and Georgia CT Corporation System twelve

1754
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,359
oh one Pachtree Street at Atlanta, Georgia, three zero three

1755
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:41,800
sixty one. TG's address is seventy five Rockefeller Plaza, J. Cannon,

1756
01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:45,880
New York, New York, one double oh one nine. TG

1757
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:47,960
is subject to the jurisdiction of this court.

1758
01:27:48,279 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 3: Said, are you subject to the jurisdiction of this court?

1759
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 4: I'm not subjected to anything. My jurisdiction is where I

1760
01:27:57,199 --> 01:27:57,680
say it is.

1761
01:27:58,199 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 3: There's another T shirt. SID is very concerned with jurisdiction

1762
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:04,159
in this Uh.

1763
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 4: Oh, your damn fucking writing.

1764
01:28:06,319 --> 01:28:07,600
Speaker 3: Post wrestling career days.

1765
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,199
Speaker 4: You don't need to worry about my jurisdiction, right My

1766
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:19,119
jurisdiction is where I see fit. Defendant Johnny laurinidis mister

1767
01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:23,800
Laura notiis Johnny and mister Lauren IIDs Okay, can you

1768
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:28,880
call me that? Call me mister Laurenidis huh No, but

1769
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:32,800
I will call you what does it say next, Johnny

1770
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:36,800
Ace or mister Ace?

1771
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,159
Speaker 3: I mean only in wrestling when you name a defendant

1772
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:43,720
and official court papers, do you have to include his

1773
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,359
k FA name with the mister in front of it?

1774
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,399
Speaker 4: Because I mean that's the best part. Like you could

1775
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:52,880
call you know, mister so excuse me, mister Ace. Yeah,

1776
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,359
he would answer to it. That's the point, of course.

1777
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:56,159
That's exactly it.

1778
01:28:56,399 --> 01:28:58,279
Speaker 3: Like if you're gonna sue Shawn Michaels, are you really

1779
01:28:58,319 --> 01:29:00,520
just gonna call him mister Hickenbottom throughout the entirety of

1780
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,560
the doctor Michaels. It's a fake name pulled out of

1781
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:04,239
the fucking sky.

1782
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 4: How about how about mister Heartbreak?

1783
01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:09,239
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, how about sham Michaels.

1784
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:15,399
Speaker 4: Shaw Michaels is a resident of Florida and maybe served

1785
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,239
personally through his attorneys James A. Lambert and Joel P.

1786
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:25,119
Howell Troutman Sanders, LLP. Six hundred p Stree Street, Northeast

1787
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:30,119
Bank of America, Plaza Sweet fifty two hundred, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia,

1788
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:35,560
three zero three zero eight then you is proper in

1789
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:39,560
this court. I feel good I've secured Troutman Sanders or

1790
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,640
Sawders out Sanders. You know what, I'm gonna tell you something,

1791
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:47,920
Johnny Ace, I went fishing for trout Man. I got

1792
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,840
that right this.

1793
01:29:50,119 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 3: Oh by the way, as we read through this, I

1794
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:53,439
do want to remind you that this was his answer

1795
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,079
to the question, was.

1796
01:29:55,079 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 12: There ever any legal situation with WCW over them asking

1797
01:29:59,039 --> 01:30:01,119
me to do a movie where comfortable with No.

1798
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 4: We can hardly even see him fucking say it too,

1799
01:30:05,279 --> 01:30:08,039
m fucking liar? Why lie about that?

1800
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,159
Speaker 3: That's just a big demerit in my mind? Man, when

1801
01:30:12,199 --> 01:30:13,640
you can look it up on the public record like.

1802
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,319
Speaker 4: That, Like, what's the point of hiding that? Like, I mean,

1803
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,279
are you dumb about court records?

1804
01:30:18,359 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 3: Like that tells me he didn't get the resolution he

1805
01:30:20,119 --> 01:30:22,479
was looking for. If he got the resolution, he was

1806
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,479
not thought he deserved. You better believe That's the first

1807
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,239
thing he would say every time he told this story.

1808
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 4: Venue is proper in this court? What does that mean?

1809
01:30:31,279 --> 01:30:32,119
Venue is proper?

1810
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,560
Speaker 3: That just beings Like remember how Vince failed on venue

1811
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,520
the case against him because he wasn't in New York.

1812
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,039
So you know, don't try to argue that I'm not

1813
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:41,560
in the right court filing this even though w CW

1814
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,520
doesn't exist anymore and isn't based in Georgia.

1815
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:49,039
Speaker 4: Got Jim statement of the facts. W CW entered into

1816
01:30:49,079 --> 01:30:52,319
contracts and agreements for services of mister Udi as a

1817
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:53,680
professional wrestler.

1818
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 3: I'm surprised he stipulated to that. It took a long

1819
01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,720
time to get that first line out of him.

1820
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:04,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I don't o't an's contral. What is this? Then, said?

1821
01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:06,039
Speaker 3: Do you tell me I'm trying to write a brief

1822
01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:06,359
here for.

1823
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,079
Speaker 4: Your interesting right, there's a piece of paper. Yeah, and

1824
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:12,720
you signed it? You signed it? What you signed it? Well?

1825
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,359
Why do we have so much trouble with the basic

1826
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,159
first line of this thing. I'm gonna tell you right now,

1827
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:19,840
you look at my eyes, right now, exactly, I'm gonna

1828
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:24,520
tell you some real simple I signed a piece of

1829
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:29,680
paper that's hot. Well, yes, it's called the contract. Uh uh,

1830
01:31:30,039 --> 01:31:33,520
all it is is a dead tree. Wow, there's nothing

1831
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:38,359
legal or obligatory on that paper.

1832
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:40,279
Speaker 3: Let me ask you, what could you have signed besides

1833
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:41,920
a piece of paper that would be binding.

1834
01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 4: Listen, when I signed something that is binding, I sign

1835
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,439
it with my blood. I see, I will pierce open

1836
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:53,279
my skin, I may son, I will pour hot on

1837
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:54,399
a piece of something.

1838
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:59,079
Speaker 3: Right, that's when you know I've stipulated to terms. As

1839
01:31:59,119 --> 01:32:02,520
for now, I'm will to sign this contract with your blood, counselor.

1840
01:32:03,279 --> 01:32:06,239
Speaker 4: I'm willing to sign anything with your blood. I'm allowing

1841
01:32:06,359 --> 01:32:07,399
your blood to pour.

1842
01:32:09,359 --> 01:32:11,640
Speaker 3: Here's the thing is, if if you once said to

1843
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,399
sign something in blood, the trouble is you gotta hire

1844
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:15,039
a surgeon and anestesiologist.

1845
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 4: Oh God, this suit arises out of defendant's wrongful termination

1846
01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:29,000
and breach of that contract. In connection with the wrongful termination,

1847
01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:34,079
defendants falsely asserted that mister Beauty was incapacitated, even though

1848
01:32:34,119 --> 01:32:38,279
defendants had no intention of utilizing mister Beauty services, and

1849
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:43,520
even though mister Beauty was not in fact incapacitation.

1850
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,399
Speaker 3: So he goes from saying I had to change my

1851
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,880
number and shut the world out and couldn't move, couldn't

1852
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,720
do anything too, I was not incapacitated in court filings.

1853
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you right now, I did break my leg,

1854
01:32:56,119 --> 01:33:04,079
but my capacitation was one hundred percent affirmative. Well Man

1855
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:06,840
said it. Whatever it meant, I don't know, but he

1856
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:16,119
said it my capacitation. That's fucking go. Boss. Defendance a

1857
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:20,039
sort of reason for wrongful termination was and is a

1858
01:33:20,319 --> 01:33:26,439
mere pred He likes that one further defendants caused such

1859
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:30,399
a legend in capacity and then wrongfully terminated these services.

1860
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,640
Defendis true reason for termination is his desire to avoid

1861
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:38,720
paying the compensation there is under the various contracts and

1862
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,920
agreements for mister Uty services.

1863
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 3: He didn't terminate me because I'm incapacitated. You terminated me

1864
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,760
so you didn't have to pay me when I'm mode.

1865
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:49,720
If you pay me when I'm mode, I will gladly

1866
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,359
stipulate to being incapacitated.

1867
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:03,560
Speaker 4: Okay uh. Mister Uty has performed in professional wrestling Area

1868
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:10,720
TYPO for fifteen years. Mister UTI's wrestle under the stage

1869
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:18,319
names of Lord Humongous, Sid Justice, and Sid Vicious. Mister

1870
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:23,239
Uti developed a degree of notoriety for his skills and characters.

1871
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,359
Speaker 3: That's one way to summarize his career. Mister Uti developed

1872
01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:30,600
a degree of notoriety, a.

1873
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 4: Notoriety of his skills.

1874
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 3: It's just so funny when this has to translate into

1875
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,079
legal ease. You know, yeah, when you actually have to

1876
01:34:42,119 --> 01:34:46,560
talk about this shit legitimately. It's it's like you, you know,

1877
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:50,399
you just you're just fucking it's just fucking failure.

1878
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:51,279
Speaker 4: I can't wait.

1879
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, right for the judge to say something about how

1880
01:34:54,079 --> 01:34:55,279
it's not even real you know.

1881
01:34:55,479 --> 01:35:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. During this this agreement, mister U, you performed

1882
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:04,880
well okay, and always exhibit a great work ethic and

1883
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:09,199
one above and beyond others. He maintained his character and

1884
01:35:09,279 --> 01:35:15,159
physicality for the betterment of himself and defendants. Attaining his physicality,

1885
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:20,960
maintaining his character and physicality a great work ethic when

1886
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:25,720
above and beyond others, I did it better than Hulk Hogan,

1887
01:35:26,279 --> 01:35:30,119
a big movie star himself. Why why are you not

1888
01:35:30,319 --> 01:35:32,199
paying me? It's because I'm not a big movie star.

1889
01:35:34,279 --> 01:35:36,840
Why you're not recognizing me in court is because I'm

1890
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:37,840
not a big movie star.

1891
01:35:38,119 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 3: Mister, mister Judy, please sit down. Order in the court.

1892
01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:43,279
He's just shouting it across the court room.

1893
01:35:43,319 --> 01:35:44,039
Speaker 4: There's no one there.

1894
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 3: It's like a civil court.

1895
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 4: And his best done, mister Judy. Please, mister who are

1896
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:04,800
you talking? Mister who what? Sir? You're looking in the

1897
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,640
back of the court. Is there somebody there that I mean,

1898
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:13,239
there's nobody here, sir, that's good and we're live pal

1899
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:19,840
right as well.

1900
01:36:20,039 --> 01:36:22,199
Speaker 3: That's one we haven't tried yet. The well meaning judge,

1901
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,199
you know what I mean, the one who really wants

1902
01:36:25,239 --> 01:36:26,279
to understand these guys.

1903
01:36:26,359 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 4: And mister, I'm just trying to understand what is going on, okay,

1904
01:36:33,159 --> 01:36:37,680
and you just keep sir, you keep your shut I

1905
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:39,600
couldn't believe he said that to that man. That judge

1906
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:43,000
is sweet as a Georgia peach. I'm listening. I'll tell

1907
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,000
you what. I'm not gonna hold you in contempt, even

1908
01:36:45,039 --> 01:36:47,640
though you just said he told me to shut up.

1909
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:57,359
I'm just trying to understand. I can't he said, believe

1910
01:36:57,359 --> 01:36:59,399
he said that about Judge Anderson. He's a sweet as

1911
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,199
the Georgia pa and he went out there and said

1912
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:04,399
shut up right to the man's face. I couldn't believe it.

1913
01:37:05,159 --> 01:37:08,039
So I just want to look, Okay, we're just trying

1914
01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:12,479
to understand each other. You don't understand anything. You know why,

1915
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:18,640
because it's because I'm a big movie star. I don't know.

1916
01:37:19,079 --> 01:37:21,720
To hear a big movie star or not, I don't know.

1917
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,279
I mean, isn't wrestling kind of like acting? I mean,

1918
01:37:24,359 --> 01:37:28,000
what you do is performance hard, is it not? Listen,

1919
01:37:28,079 --> 01:37:32,560
I appreciate that, please, I just want to understand what

1920
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:35,560
it is. You just look me deadney eye. He's some

1921
01:37:36,039 --> 01:37:41,479
bid I'm looking you dead in the high. He is

1922
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:48,159
so easily intimidated, this judge, it's incredible, the absolut opposite

1923
01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:51,560
of Jacob Mischler, exactly. He just wants to fucking he

1924
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:55,319
wants to get to the bottom of this. He sympathizes, right.

1925
01:37:55,880 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 3: He feels badly that Sid can't like represent himself appropriately

1926
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,000
and can't tell his lawyers what he really thinks.

1927
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:07,279
Speaker 4: You know, I listen, listen, I've had these kind of

1928
01:38:07,399 --> 01:38:12,039
things happen. All right. I'm on your side, mister Udie.

1929
01:38:12,359 --> 01:38:16,600
You don't even know what a side is. I'm gonna

1930
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:23,079
look at you right now. I'm like Dusty Rhodes. You

1931
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:25,119
look me dead in the eye, and what hit you

1932
01:38:25,239 --> 01:38:29,880
in the head? Like a shoot because you the court

1933
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,479
officer puts his hand on his gun when he says that, well,

1934
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,479
we'll got going on here, this guy on the shoot somebody.

1935
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 3: I would just recommend, sir, you watch the rhetoric.

1936
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 4: Okay, in this cart, we'll say, mister, you all sit

1937
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,840
your ass down because I look I don't know what

1938
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:47,079
you got just waving him off in the head. We

1939
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:50,159
do not allow that, officer.

1940
01:38:50,199 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 3: It's really fine. The judge is waving him off.

1941
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:57,199
Speaker 4: Just just calm down. Herman. Herman. Herman's ready to come

1942
01:38:57,279 --> 01:38:59,279
up off the hip. He's been waiting for this day,

1943
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,359
your honor. I'm just on him to say we don't

1944
01:39:02,359 --> 01:39:06,199
allow people shoot themselves in court, or.

1945
01:39:06,199 --> 01:39:10,520
Speaker 3: Shoot their own angles for that matter, using the judicial

1946
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:11,560
process to cut a promo.

1947
01:39:12,199 --> 01:39:15,199
Speaker 4: Misters mister Ughten's I need you to sit down.

1948
01:39:15,319 --> 01:39:17,640
Speaker 3: Mister Huts. I grew up on Georgia tampship wrestling, and

1949
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:18,520
I know what you're doing.

1950
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 4: I know what you do for a living. A big fan.

1951
01:39:23,399 --> 01:39:26,640
I'm with a hand on his gun. He's saying there,

1952
01:39:28,279 --> 01:39:31,000
like I don't want to have to take drastic action.

1953
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:41,199
He says, I'm a big fan. Oh great maniacal courtroom.

1954
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,159
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he's here, he's filing it's sid filing

1955
01:39:44,199 --> 01:39:46,319
a complaint and he can't work out anymore. What do

1956
01:39:46,359 --> 01:39:49,319
you think is going to happen? And you're not going

1957
01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:54,760
to pay him three hundred percent of his paycheck. I

1958
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,680
love the idea of just this you know this tall

1959
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:03,920
but like you know old bellied. Uh a bailiff.

1960
01:40:04,199 --> 01:40:09,159
Speaker 4: You know, fucking you know, this guy's fucking hand you know,

1961
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,479
you know, fucking buzz cut and a big bushy mustache

1962
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,199
hand on his fucking the fucking gun in his hip.

1963
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,640
All right, But here they just you know, maintain.

1964
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 3: Order, the honor the plaintiffs that hit in the head

1965
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:21,600
like a shot. I don't know how much you want

1966
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:22,359
me to interpret that.

1967
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 4: No, sir, I just don't want you to get hit

1968
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:26,880
in the head with the shot. I don't want anyone

1969
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:29,279
get shot in my courtroom, my.

1970
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:33,039
Speaker 3: Courtroom, court officer. Really, the judge just my chopped liver.

1971
01:40:33,159 --> 01:40:37,279
Speaker 4: Here, her did you say my court room? Herman, herman?

1972
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:41,119
Please let me can I just please please? All right?

1973
01:40:41,399 --> 01:40:46,640
We got this under control, all right, Judge Barnett. We

1974
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:47,359
are in Atlanta.

1975
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 10: Oh god.

1976
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:51,119
Speaker 8: Uh.

1977
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,399
Speaker 4: W c W was a company that was engaged in

1978
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:59,000
the professional wrestling business. W CW was and is a

1979
01:40:59,239 --> 01:41:07,279
quote division of Turner Sports. I like that it is

1980
01:41:07,399 --> 01:41:09,800
in quotes as a division of Turner Sports.

1981
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 3: Well, they're quoting documents directly when they do that.

1982
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:15,119
Speaker 4: Sure, well, I'm saying it's a quote as should Turner

1983
01:41:15,399 --> 01:41:17,439
Entertainment Turner Sports.

1984
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 3: Well, was it at the time this happened, it was well,

1985
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:22,880
I know, I'm just saying, so that's an error.

1986
01:41:23,359 --> 01:41:27,600
Speaker 4: Quote under sports. It's quoted sports. Yes, okay, it's a sport.

1987
01:41:29,119 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, before you disbelieve us, we got to put that

1988
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:32,239
in quotes exactly.

1989
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:35,520
Speaker 4: Because defendants have entered into contracts or agreements with a

1990
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:40,560
number of individuals for their services as professional wrestlers with WCW,

1991
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:45,239
including mister Udy. Under many of these contracts, WCW is

1992
01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:48,760
required to pay the agreed upon compensation for the professional

1993
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:52,960
wrestler services, regardless of whether or not defendants elect to

1994
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:56,760
actually use the services and any of it's wrestling.

1995
01:41:57,079 --> 01:41:59,319
Speaker 3: They're gonna tell me you can't use my services without

1996
01:41:59,359 --> 01:42:02,359
inquiring a prowardly as to whether those services are duly available.

1997
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,039
Speaker 4: You're just going to assume that right now that w

1998
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:08,359
CW is required to pay whether or not my services

1999
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:13,600
have been used or remain unused or partially used.

2000
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 3: You have left my services unused, but you will not

2001
01:42:17,159 --> 01:42:19,520
leave my paycheck undistributed.

2002
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something right now, w CW. You

2003
01:42:23,119 --> 01:42:27,359
have you have left my my services unused, but my wallet,

2004
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,920
my wallet will not remain unopened.

2005
01:42:36,359 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 3: He's talking like geni angle. He's talking like basically a secretary.

2006
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:43,119
Speaker 4: You know, I can't do I don't know what you

2007
01:42:43,239 --> 01:42:45,920
want from me. I just work the desk.

2008
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 13: Shut up.

2009
01:42:55,359 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 4: Ww entered into an independent contract agreement with mister ud

2010
01:42:59,079 --> 01:43:04,359
Damn right fuck yeah, shit then right independent contract shit

2011
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:09,279
fuck it mister u d as of June nine nine

2012
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:14,079
here and referred to you as the agreement. The agreement,

2013
01:43:14,119 --> 01:43:17,960
among other things, sets forth compensation the w CW agrees

2014
01:43:18,279 --> 01:43:20,159
to pay for mister Udi services.

2015
01:43:20,319 --> 01:43:23,079
Speaker 3: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have a

2016
01:43:23,159 --> 01:43:26,319
copy of Sid's WCW contract. Indeed, it had to be

2017
01:43:26,399 --> 01:43:28,039
filed in accordance with this lawsuit.

2018
01:43:28,319 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 4: Of course, the agreement provides for a three year term

2019
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,600
commenced in June ninth, ninety nine and extending to June eighth,

2020
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,319
two thousand and two. Here it is there. It is

2021
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,079
right there. On the agreement, the parties agree that mister

2022
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:44,119
Uti will be paid a total paid for a total

2023
01:43:44,399 --> 01:43:48,600
of twenty four pay per view events for w CW,

2024
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:51,600
to consist of eight pay per view events for each

2025
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:55,439
of the three years the agreement. The compensation for each

2026
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,359
pay per view was an escalating figure for each year

2027
01:43:58,399 --> 01:44:01,840
of the contract. We recall reading through the yes, the

2028
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:05,560
parties also agreed that mister Uty would perform other services

2029
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:09,119
for w CW a certain number of other non pay

2030
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:13,279
per view events, but the agreement specifies that the quote

2031
01:44:13,359 --> 01:44:16,640
other non pay per view events shall not shall be

2032
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:23,560
non wrestling appearances unless otherwise agreed upon by the parties. Accordingly,

2033
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,119
under the agreement, mister Uti is not required d wrestle

2034
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,720
d wrestle at more than eight events per year. Wow,

2035
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:33,199
you imagine?

2036
01:44:33,279 --> 01:44:36,239
Speaker 3: So so wait, so like he didn't so he had

2037
01:44:36,279 --> 01:44:39,359
to wrestle eight times a year at a minimum. Yeah,

2038
01:44:39,359 --> 01:44:43,880
I mean that's that's like everything above the eight has

2039
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:47,520
like different things that kick in. Now the contract basically

2040
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:50,439
just sets the terms for those eight. It's kind of a.

2041
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:55,399
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable, like he has promised, but then anything above that,

2042
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:56,439
that's unbelievable.

2043
01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:00,600
Speaker 3: Right, So like this contract really just really just establishes

2044
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:02,880
like that you owe us eight pay per view matches,

2045
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,479
and anything above that is an option in the contract

2046
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,000
with its own compensation schedule and terms.

2047
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 4: But it is what do you they wanted to bring

2048
01:45:13,079 --> 01:45:15,279
me in for just pay per views and TV tapings

2049
01:45:15,319 --> 01:45:17,119
at first? Yea, I don't understand, brother, how come I'm

2050
01:45:18,279 --> 01:45:21,039
ill eight? Why don't I don't? I don't want to

2051
01:45:21,039 --> 01:45:26,640
wrestle a times dude? Can I uh? Could I have twelve? Well,

2052
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:28,079
I don't want to wrestle at all, dude, to get

2053
01:45:28,119 --> 01:45:29,880
paid for it. I want to get paid for exactly.

2054
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:31,840
I mean, well, I mean, how come you go to

2055
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:33,640
get to the rest LA Times Favored nations?

2056
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: Right?

2057
01:45:34,359 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 4: What favored?

2058
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 9: What?

2059
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:44,600
Speaker 4: Who's favored?

2060
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 8: Who?

2061
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:52,600
Speaker 4: Dude's favorite? Right favorite Hogan favorite Hogan contract?

2062
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:57,039
Speaker 3: Brother, my service is making unused, but my funds won't

2063
01:45:57,079 --> 01:45:58,520
go undispersed.

2064
01:46:00,079 --> 01:46:08,039
Speaker 4: Ah, However, the agreement specifies to defend no just accordingly

2065
01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:10,159
under the greem, mister U is not right anymore anything.

2066
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,000
Under the agreemp, mister Udi was not required to wrestle

2067
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,840
any of their promotion. Was not required to wrestle at

2068
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:20,119
any other events promoted by WSW. Was not required at

2069
01:46:20,199 --> 01:46:24,199
any other events pro by WSW, including Natro, Thunder or

2070
01:46:24,279 --> 01:46:29,479
non televised house shows. Brother, what I do? Why do

2071
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:30,520
I go russell Nitro?

2072
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 8: Dude?

2073
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 4: What's so?

2074
01:46:32,199 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 8: Said?

2075
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:33,159
Speaker 4: Brother said?

2076
01:46:33,159 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 3: I remember your second ww run so fondly, would you

2077
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,880
care to characterize what your contract called for in those years?

2078
01:46:39,159 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 4: Sure? At that time.

2079
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:45,079
Speaker 3: Mister Udi quote was not required to wrestle at any

2080
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:48,560
other events promoted by w CW, including Nitro Thunder or

2081
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,760
non televised out shows. He was not required, He was

2082
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:54,119
not obligated. We called it.

2083
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,119
Speaker 4: He only had to wrestle. He was only required to

2084
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:07,039
wrestle eight times, and anything else will cost you. I mean,

2085
01:47:07,159 --> 01:47:11,600
think about that, think about that really long and hard.

2086
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 3: And those eight are pay per views, which have it

2087
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:17,039
the whole, you know, split of revenue and everything, big paydays.

2088
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,399
Speaker 4: It's not like those eight not have to fucking wrestle. Ever,

2089
01:47:23,239 --> 01:47:31,159
Jesus on the agreement, defendants are not obligated utilized services. However,

2090
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:36,079
the agreement specifies if defendants are required to pay the

2091
01:47:36,199 --> 01:47:40,399
compensation set forth in the agreement, even if WWTS not

2092
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:42,720
to use mister huty services.

2093
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:46,199
Speaker 3: So strange, it's like it's you said right there that

2094
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:49,960
the contract doesn't guarantee you anything but eight matches. Yet

2095
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:51,560
you're saying they have to pay you if they don't

2096
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:53,960
use your services, right, I guess he means, you know,

2097
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,359
if you book me on six pay per views, you've

2098
01:47:55,359 --> 01:47:57,520
got to pay me for eight. Book me on two,

2099
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:58,800
got to pay me for eight. Book me on one,

2100
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,079
got to pay me for eight. Book me onzero zero.

2101
01:48:01,039 --> 01:48:04,560
Speaker 4: You gotta pay me for eight. Under the agreement, mister

2102
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:07,319
Uti was required to follow the direction of defendants and

2103
01:48:07,399 --> 01:48:12,319
their employees that that had to be put in their city.

2104
01:48:12,359 --> 01:48:14,359
I gotta you get a fucking all. Right, listen, you

2105
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:18,279
gotta follow what I fucking say. All these are my directions.

2106
01:48:19,119 --> 01:48:24,079
I'm an employee of defendant. Even before he files, the

2107
01:48:24,119 --> 01:48:27,760
Los City calls himself, Yeah, I know what the fuck

2108
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:31,159
is going to happen. You know, listen, I'm an employee

2109
01:48:31,199 --> 01:48:34,520
of defendant, and therefore you're required to follow my directions.

2110
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,720
You know my directions say turn left on the fucking

2111
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:39,960
ninety five. Yeah. It wouldn't be the.

2112
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 3: First to follow Kev's directions, as anyone who's ever written

2113
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:45,119
with them can attest, yeap.

2114
01:48:46,359 --> 01:48:49,119
Speaker 4: Under the agreement, mister Uti was required to perform services

2115
01:48:49,239 --> 01:48:54,000
only for w CW. The agreement including an optional workers

2116
01:48:54,079 --> 01:48:57,880
compensation assurance programs and insurance policy.

2117
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:59,199
Speaker 3: Because it's a workman's comp claim.

2118
01:48:59,279 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 4: Really, yeah right? Insurance policy was that Rick rud.

2119
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:06,359
Speaker 3: No, but he availed himself of the policy.

2120
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:11,520
Speaker 4: This insurance policy and or workers' compensation insurance program was

2121
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:15,159
supposed to pay in the event that mister Ute was injured.

2122
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:20,960
Upon information and belief, Defendants were the named insured under

2123
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:24,319
the policy and received payment as a result of mister

2124
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:29,279
Utie's injuries. Further, the amount of policies was and or

2125
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:33,119
is the same as the value of mister Utie's agreement.

2126
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:40,000
Defendants promoted and produced a variety of wrestling events. These

2127
01:49:40,079 --> 01:49:45,439
events included weekly live television shows and weekly tape television shows.

2128
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:47,199
Speaker 3: To that last point, we'll get more into it, but

2129
01:49:47,279 --> 01:49:49,800
it's worth pausing quickly to establish that. You know, when

2130
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:52,319
a company buys workers' comp insurance or whatever the case

2131
01:49:52,399 --> 01:49:57,359
may be, insurance like he's talking about here, this insurance policy,

2132
01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:01,680
WW gets paid for the fact that SID isn't out

2133
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,000
there producing revenue for them. You know, that's what the

2134
01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:06,239
insurance policy is there for. If one of our key

2135
01:50:06,319 --> 01:50:09,039
talents goes down, you will pay us money. And so

2136
01:50:09,239 --> 01:50:11,880
you better believe that that doesn't sit well with SID. Now,

2137
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,760
as we'll get to that doesn't necessarily mean that SID

2138
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:15,840
didn't get any money too as a result of this program.

2139
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:18,920
But WCW gets an insurance payout when a guy goes

2140
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:20,760
down with an injury like this, let's.

2141
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:21,199
Speaker 4: Just not forget that.

2142
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 3: It's just kind of weird.

2143
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:31,039
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very weird. It's very, very weird. These

2144
01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:35,760
events included frequent non televised arenas shows referred to as

2145
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:36,520
house shows.

2146
01:50:38,119 --> 01:50:41,199
Speaker 3: These are the events that Defendant's promoted and produced, which

2147
01:50:41,279 --> 01:50:42,680
apparently has to be stipulated.

2148
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,640
Speaker 4: I mean, but the events that he didn't have to

2149
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:49,520
wrestle at or participates. I don't really know why this

2150
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,239
is in there. Honestly, Defenders promoter and produced a monthly

2151
01:50:53,399 --> 01:50:57,000
pay per view telecast. These events are broadcast through cable

2152
01:50:57,359 --> 01:51:01,880
and satellite transmission across the United States. These shows require

2153
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:06,600
the audience to pay for the ability to view the event.

2154
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:10,720
Right an early part of two thousand, mister Yudi was

2155
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:12,239
the champion of WCW.

2156
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:13,520
Speaker 3: There comes the chronology.

2157
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 4: Mister Eric Bischoff was the president w CW. Mister Bischoff

2158
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:22,399
was also the president of Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated. Mister

2159
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:25,640
Vince Russo was vice president w CW and was in

2160
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:30,039
charge of the development of the shows. During this time,

2161
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:35,079
mister Yudi was injured. Mister Bischoff mister Russo agreed that

2162
01:51:35,159 --> 01:51:38,319
mister Udi would not have to perform any physical acts

2163
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:41,680
in his next few appearances because of his injuries. They

2164
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:45,239
insisted that he make appearances even when mister Yudie should

2165
01:51:45,239 --> 01:51:48,359
have been attempted to heal himself and attend physical therapy

2166
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:50,319
for the benefit of defendants.

2167
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 3: Now, this is a reference to This is the reference

2168
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,199
to that time period where Russo and Bischoff came in.

2169
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:02,840
Remember bush Off made the scissors joke on that Nitro. Yeah,

2170
01:52:03,399 --> 01:52:06,319
so he's referencing that time period him with them being

2171
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:08,840
he's not talking about the leg injury. He's talking about

2172
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:12,920
injuries back in two thousand when he was champion on

2173
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:14,000
one occasion.

2174
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:16,720
Speaker 4: Once occasion, brother, That's what it says. By the way,

2175
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,439
what once occasion?

2176
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 9: Brother?

2177
01:52:20,199 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 4: They're in to rush to file? What do you want?

2178
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:22,520
Speaker 8: What?

2179
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:24,399
Speaker 4: Who's Russian dude?

2180
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 8: Right?

2181
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:26,239
Speaker 4: Nick Volkoff?

2182
01:52:27,159 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 3: He would be one example. I guess I was gonna

2183
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:37,880
say Nikita cole Off, But that's fine. Who's Russian dude? Interestingly, No,

2184
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:38,960
he's not. He's polish.

2185
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:44,720
Speaker 4: I think polish. What polished dude?

2186
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 8: Right?

2187
01:52:45,279 --> 01:52:50,520
Speaker 4: Polished? Who's he polishing? Off? Brother? Exactly? What Patterson? What

2188
01:52:51,079 --> 01:52:53,079
did you are? You did?

2189
01:52:53,159 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 3: Sid file?

2190
01:52:56,039 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 4: Who's falling for Sid?

2191
01:52:57,039 --> 01:52:57,279
Speaker 5: Brother?

2192
01:52:57,640 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 3: You call the clerk's office.

2193
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:02,199
Speaker 4: Dude, you talked dude. Anyone called clerk, dude, the clerk

2194
01:53:02,239 --> 01:53:04,319
has to call Hogan. He he pays him off on

2195
01:53:04,399 --> 01:53:07,960
the back end. So what do you know about the

2196
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,319
SID filing, dude? And when come in today? Brother? What's

2197
01:53:10,359 --> 01:53:12,359
the deal? Brother? Andyone come in in file? Toldy that

2198
01:53:12,359 --> 01:53:14,319
I should know about it. Brother. I just want to know, dude,

2199
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:16,960
if sid's coming in, brother, is he trying to get

2200
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:20,439
whold Cogan? And what's he filing for?

2201
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:23,760
Speaker 3: Hogan puts someone in the Fulton County Courthouse just to

2202
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:26,520
read every wrestling filing to see if it mentions his name,

2203
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:27,359
even it has nothing.

2204
01:53:27,239 --> 01:53:29,239
Speaker 4: To do with him. I mean, is he trying to

2205
01:53:29,279 --> 01:53:30,199
get my contract? Dude?

2206
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 3: Years after the company closed?

2207
01:53:34,119 --> 01:53:35,359
Speaker 4: What's he listen?

2208
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 8: Listen?

2209
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 4: Hogan has has an insider in every fucking courthouse in America.

2210
01:53:42,039 --> 01:53:43,840
Speaker 3: I think by the way, I don't want this to

2211
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:47,199
go out remarked upon. I think the quote was, does

2212
01:53:47,279 --> 01:53:48,079
he want my contract?

2213
01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:48,359
Speaker 5: Dude?

2214
01:53:50,039 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 4: Me like a copy of it, maybe if it helps

2215
01:53:58,479 --> 01:54:02,720
the case. What do you why do you want my contract?

2216
01:54:03,199 --> 01:54:07,359
Why my contract? What's the after dude? What's you want dude?

2217
01:54:08,119 --> 01:54:12,159
M what's the scuttle butt? Dude, what's what are you hearing? Exactly?

2218
01:54:12,199 --> 01:54:14,159
Speaker 3: What's around the corner? I know what's on the paper, brother,

2219
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:15,479
but what's the dizzil?

2220
01:54:16,039 --> 01:54:19,159
Speaker 4: That's what I want to want. I want to know

2221
01:54:19,239 --> 01:54:21,760
what he I want to know what's in the fissile,

2222
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:26,600
asked the big man upstairs. Brother, If you don't know

2223
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:29,720
what I'm talking about, Oh, the big man upstairs? You

2224
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:31,640
mean the clerk of courts. Yeah, he's on the sixth

2225
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:37,319
law mother, the superior judge. What's brother? Who's the judge superior?

2226
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 3: I rather adore that we get into the sid legal stuff,

2227
01:54:51,039 --> 01:54:54,960
and like a sentinel, Hogan rises up in the night

2228
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,479
for a full accounting, like why does this have anything

2229
01:54:58,520 --> 01:54:59,039
to do with him?

2230
01:54:59,079 --> 01:54:59,399
Speaker 4: Honestly?

2231
01:54:59,399 --> 01:55:01,319
Speaker 3: And I know he up at times to make no sense,

2232
01:55:01,399 --> 01:55:05,079
but it's for a one off. He is intimately involved somehow.

2233
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:07,880
This stuff we're reading has just as much to do

2234
01:55:08,039 --> 01:55:09,640
at this point with Hull Cogan as it does.

2235
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,399
Speaker 4: Listen and thinking about this. Okay, in the middle of

2236
01:55:12,399 --> 01:55:14,960
the night, he gets you know, he's waiting up in

2237
01:55:15,039 --> 01:55:19,319
his house all right, down in Tampa. All right, he's sittings,

2238
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:22,920
He's sitting by the by the door, and at like

2239
01:55:23,359 --> 01:55:25,560
one in the morning, A car, A car pulls up,

2240
01:55:26,359 --> 01:55:28,640
all right, and he hands off an envelope and it's

2241
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:33,920
this whole fucking yes uh complaint. And Hogan is just

2242
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:37,479
sitting there, you know, he's got fucking reading glasses down

2243
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:39,800
on his nose, all right, and he's just going to

2244
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:50,039
skimming through every single one like you would do. So

2245
01:55:50,119 --> 01:55:54,520
we're talking. We're a Georgia Cord brother jurisdiction? Brother? Does

2246
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:57,880
he a venue? Dude? Do I want to? Does he

2247
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:59,520
sell out a venue? What a venue?

2248
01:55:59,560 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 8: Do?

2249
01:56:00,039 --> 01:56:02,880
Speaker 4: But he's selling out? Brother? We can he sell out

2250
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:06,000
this court? Dude? Is he selling out the court room?

2251
01:56:06,039 --> 01:56:09,199
We gotta talk about that. Can we get numbers? Can

2252
01:56:09,279 --> 01:56:16,239
we get Are we talking like Tokyo? Do numbers?

2253
01:56:16,279 --> 01:56:16,479
Speaker 8: Brother?

2254
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:17,800
Speaker 2: Like?

2255
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:22,960
Speaker 4: What what venue? Dude? I've never heard of this venue?

2256
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:23,079
Speaker 8: Bro?

2257
01:56:23,239 --> 01:56:24,079
Speaker 3: See what's the u w C?

2258
01:56:25,239 --> 01:56:26,119
Speaker 4: What's the u w C?

2259
01:56:26,279 --> 01:56:26,439
Speaker 8: Dude?

2260
01:56:26,439 --> 01:56:29,239
Speaker 4: What's up with that? Brow promote promotion?

2261
01:56:29,319 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 8: Dude?

2262
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,920
Speaker 4: Do I have to be worried? Are we talking about?

2263
01:56:33,079 --> 01:56:33,560
Are we talking?

2264
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:37,119
Speaker 3: It's don't worry, Terry. It stands for you wouldn't care.

2265
01:56:37,239 --> 01:56:37,680
It's fine.

2266
01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:41,159
Speaker 4: What do you mean I wouldn't care? What's that mean?

2267
01:56:41,359 --> 01:56:41,399
Speaker 9: Like?

2268
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:43,039
Speaker 4: I want to what does that mean? What do you

2269
01:56:43,079 --> 01:56:46,520
mean is there talking to you? How do you know

2270
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,079
what it is? Before? I who are you talking to?

2271
01:56:49,359 --> 01:56:52,239
Speaker 3: His own lawyers? The guys he that guy, the guys

2272
01:56:52,279 --> 01:56:54,319
who faithfully wake up at two thirty in the morning

2273
01:56:54,359 --> 01:56:57,199
when he has a panic attack over some like file

2274
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:58,960
like listening to.

2275
01:57:00,079 --> 01:57:03,239
Speaker 4: Has nothing to do with them, like state you know

2276
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:06,399
the next state up? Okay, Like you're not even fucking close.

2277
01:57:06,479 --> 01:57:10,600
They're listening to him, accuse them of knowing something about

2278
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:15,119
the UWSC looking over his fucking spectacles too, Like you

2279
01:57:15,199 --> 01:57:16,439
know what's the.

2280
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:32,439
Speaker 1: Lap ball wrestling podcast? The wrestling podcast that knows the

2281
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:50,560
boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's a

2282
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:55,560
lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio and Jpro.

2283
01:57:56,159 --> 01:58:00,359
Speaker 4: Imagine Hulkogan looking over spectacles. Oh that's money. I mean

2284
01:58:00,399 --> 01:58:01,359
we learned in T n H.

2285
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 3: Like Hulk reaches the stage of his life where he's

2286
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:08,439
obsessed with lawyers, yes, courts, and obsessed his life.

2287
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:10,239
Speaker 4: Half of his life is in the court room, it

2288
01:58:10,319 --> 01:58:10,640
really is.

2289
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:12,920
Speaker 3: That's where hide the Ball comes from and all that nonsense.

2290
01:58:13,039 --> 01:58:19,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, playing hide the ball, dude, Like, and I gotta

2291
01:58:19,159 --> 01:58:20,920
ask this question, who's he's playing who's he hiding the

2292
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:25,000
ball from from Ulk Cogan? Right? Is this a and

2293
01:58:25,079 --> 01:58:28,079
Yang situation? You're talking about? What we're gonna tell the

2294
01:58:28,119 --> 01:58:28,520
King and the Yang?

2295
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 13: Dude?

2296
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 4: We got dallast thing back in. We got with some brother.

2297
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,640
I think we got what we gotta do. Dude. We

2298
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,720
gotta go up to Georgia. We go to this court

2299
01:58:36,399 --> 01:58:38,000
and we got Dallas thing in you. When do you

2300
01:58:38,039 --> 01:58:39,960
want to go, Terry? It's three in the morning. I

2301
01:58:40,039 --> 01:58:42,359
want to go right now. By the time we get there,

2302
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:44,600
you fucking I'll tell you what you drive. I'm going

2303
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:49,000
to sleep. Stop it. Showings have a bite, you know, brother?

2304
01:58:49,439 --> 01:58:51,359
You know see what stinners up to see if he

2305
01:58:51,479 --> 01:58:54,720
knows anything chicking on him anyway? Brother, Brother, I I'm

2306
01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:56,960
telling you, dude, I think he's following something too. Dude.

2307
01:58:57,000 --> 01:58:58,840
I don't know what's up with him. Brother. We got

2308
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:03,039
to keep that ship on level. Did Steiner file, Dude?

2309
01:59:04,359 --> 01:59:10,319
What do you know about Steiner? Did he file? What

2310
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:18,239
episode was it? What do you know about Steiner? Did

2311
01:59:18,279 --> 01:59:18,640
he file?

2312
01:59:19,359 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2313
01:59:22,199 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 3: No, he hasn't filed yet. Terry isn't filed yet. How

2314
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:26,560
do you know that's my court contacts? Tell me you

2315
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:28,600
pay me to keep them, keep me abreast.

2316
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:32,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm talking about minute to minute. What do

2317
01:59:32,439 --> 01:59:35,319
you know now exactly? Like maybe filed, maybe fouled right now.

2318
01:59:36,079 --> 01:59:39,920
Speaker 3: It's three thirty in the morning, Terry, I'm.

2319
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 4: Gonna tell you something, dude. It's eight am somewhere.

2320
01:59:42,119 --> 01:59:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not where he would file. He lives in Georgia.

2321
01:59:44,079 --> 01:59:47,279
Speaker 4: How do you know, dude? Do you know where he's

2322
01:59:47,279 --> 01:59:48,000
out right now? Brother?

2323
01:59:48,479 --> 01:59:49,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you know, even if he's on the

2324
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:50,600
West coast, it's like.

2325
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:52,600
Speaker 4: Well, you followed his GPS I put in his car.

2326
01:59:53,159 --> 01:59:54,880
Excuse me, you know, I.

2327
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 3: Don't tell me about that.

2328
01:59:55,600 --> 02:00:02,920
Speaker 4: I'd rather not know. That's exculpatory. You're talking about scalp dude.

2329
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:08,239
Uhers moving, brother, the GPS stunners moving. Dude, when you

2330
02:00:08,279 --> 02:00:10,960
go to the courthouse, he's watching like a DoorDash driver.

2331
02:00:11,119 --> 02:00:15,399
He's watching it move. Look, Stanner's on them. We got

2332
02:00:15,479 --> 02:00:17,600
a fall Steiner. Dude. Look sids on the move, Dude,

2333
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:21,399
we got every sits on the move. Look, even Bishoff's

2334
02:00:21,399 --> 02:00:23,000
on the move. Due Look, I can see him. He's

2335
02:00:23,079 --> 02:00:25,880
not at his house. And Cody, he's on the road,

2336
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:28,760
Brother to the grocery store. But Hogan's more they're going

2337
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:36,600
to a courthouse. The file file what something that has

2338
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:36,920
nothing to.

2339
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:37,319
Speaker 1: Do with him.

2340
02:00:37,399 --> 02:00:39,439
Speaker 4: He's not gonna be like, he's not gonna be the defendant,

2341
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:43,319
but it has ramifications. Does he want my contract? Dude?

2342
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:51,359
Did Scott file? Now? Listen, where are we at? Brother?

2343
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 3: The inappropriate reset? I love that, you know, like to

2344
02:00:59,119 --> 02:01:03,199
come back to come back to the north Star out

2345
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:06,720
of nowhere. Eric gets back from you know, his his

2346
02:01:06,920 --> 02:01:11,359
jaunt into town to pick up pickles and fucking the mail,

2347
02:01:12,079 --> 02:01:13,000
and he comes back in.

2348
02:01:13,079 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 4: Throws his keys on the door and it's like the

2349
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:17,439
phone rings.

2350
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:20,520
Speaker 3: Fis shops back brother, you just get back dude, Yeah,

2351
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:23,399
Terry Is it was more traffic than usual this time

2352
02:01:23,399 --> 02:01:24,159
of year in Cody.

2353
02:01:25,319 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 4: Why are you driving at six a m. Brother?

2354
02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:28,520
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's I want to get the early

2355
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:29,399
bird special and some.

2356
02:01:29,479 --> 02:01:31,000
Speaker 4: Things special for what filing?

2357
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:32,920
Speaker 3: Well, they opened this fish market, it's really great.

2358
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:36,319
Speaker 4: Are you filing complaints in court? Dude? What are you filing?

2359
02:01:36,399 --> 02:01:36,640
Speaker 7: Brother?

2360
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 4: Huh? Why are you kidding up so early? Are you

2361
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:45,880
filing complaints in court?

2362
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:46,239
Speaker 5: Dude?

2363
02:01:47,399 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 8: Terry?

2364
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:49,199
Speaker 3: The course aren't open at six in the morning. What

2365
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:53,159
are you talking about? How do you know exactly you

2366
02:01:53,239 --> 02:01:57,159
work for the course. Now, how do you know that exactly?

2367
02:01:57,239 --> 02:01:59,960
Speaker 4: That's kind of it's kind of suspicious, brother, that you

2368
02:02:00,279 --> 02:02:03,159
know exactly what time they open, almost like you're waiting

2369
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:05,920
for them. Are you a clerk now, dude? For the court?

2370
02:02:07,279 --> 02:02:10,840
M I don't hear you Answerry, I don't know. I

2371
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:13,119
don't have time for this right now. What's I just

2372
02:02:13,199 --> 02:02:15,680
got these fresh eggs? I need to make you got

2373
02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:17,800
fresh eggs, dude? That we call them this thing? Now, brother,

2374
02:02:18,039 --> 02:02:19,560
you kind of call them this thing now? You call

2375
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:21,840
them me every time you file a lawsuit. Dude, it's

2376
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:25,159
kind of you're talking about fresh eggs. There's operation fresh eggs, Dude,

2377
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:30,560
there's this double oh seven's in vall? Brother? What double

2378
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:36,119
O fresh egg what's the diz? Dude? Exactly?

2379
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:40,239
Speaker 3: I know, and you know something's up. Brother, It's only

2380
02:02:40,279 --> 02:02:42,600
a matter of time before I find out. Might as

2381
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:43,319
well tell me now.

2382
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:49,359
Speaker 4: I don't have to remind you, brother. I got people

2383
02:02:49,359 --> 02:02:54,720
in Cody, all right. If you filed something, dude, I'm

2384
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:57,199
gonna know about it. I got my man, I got

2385
02:02:57,239 --> 02:03:00,960
my girl Georgia and Cody Brother up, my dude, Cody

2386
02:03:01,039 --> 02:03:05,439
in Georgia. I want to tell your brother, Cody on

2387
02:03:05,479 --> 02:03:08,560
the roads, dude, right, Cody's on the roads. Brother.

2388
02:03:10,239 --> 02:03:12,159
Speaker 3: So so I'll let you get back to your breakfast. Brother,

2389
02:03:12,279 --> 02:03:13,800
say hi to Lourie for me. But let me ask

2390
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:19,760
you one question, dude, did you file? Are you gonna file?

2391
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 4: But do you plant hot the ball?

2392
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:35,520
Speaker 3: I love I love everything about it. But I love

2393
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:37,840
how he thinks if he figures out these legal terms

2394
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:41,119
that it's going to corner the guy like if hesas

2395
02:03:41,159 --> 02:03:43,399
hide the ball, the guy somehow is now like boxed

2396
02:03:43,439 --> 02:03:49,239
in and can't can't lie, can't lie? Now, how do

2397
02:03:49,279 --> 02:03:50,319
you know what time the court opened?

2398
02:03:50,319 --> 02:03:50,720
Speaker 4: That's great?

2399
02:03:51,399 --> 02:03:53,439
Speaker 3: The court is numbled to nine. Well, yeah, that's why

2400
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:55,439
I it was a test, brother, to see if you

2401
02:03:55,720 --> 02:03:57,399
knew what time the court's opening. And I think it's

2402
02:03:57,479 --> 02:04:05,279
very interesting that you know, brother, how many loss would

2403
02:04:05,279 --> 02:04:09,560
you get going now, dude? Exactly any amount all covid.

2404
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:13,680
Speaker 4: I mentioned at all? Dude, I mean even by just

2405
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:17,760
not named dude, by passing enough circumstance, brother, is he

2406
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:20,560
evident circumstantial? Easy? Or are we talking something more? I mean,

2407
02:04:21,439 --> 02:04:25,640
I mean, what do we what are we filing about?

2408
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:28,319
What's the file?

2409
02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:31,960
Speaker 3: He hasn't done it said, he's not going to do it,

2410
02:04:32,079 --> 02:04:34,720
says there's nothing to file, and he gets to the

2411
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:36,600
and Terry somehow gets to the point of what's in

2412
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:39,840
the file, like, what are you going to file? It's like,

2413
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:41,560
I just told you I'm not going to file anything.

2414
02:04:41,680 --> 02:04:44,159
Speaker 4: Did you not hear that? I don't know what you're

2415
02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:47,279
talking about. It I heard, dude, was somebody claiming something

2416
02:04:47,279 --> 02:04:49,000
that isn't true. I heard of someone who knows what

2417
02:04:49,079 --> 02:04:52,079
time the cord's opening and Cody. What I heard is,

2418
02:04:52,239 --> 02:04:54,840
I know a guy who's been driving around Cody Wyoming

2419
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:58,000
Brother and fucking darkness and saying he knows exactly when

2420
02:04:58,039 --> 02:05:08,479
the courts are opened. Yet he's in the dark. I

2421
02:05:08,640 --> 02:05:13,199
just picture he's had lights bursted through the the pre dawn.

2422
02:05:13,479 --> 02:05:19,079
You know, you know you can you can see you

2423
02:05:19,159 --> 02:05:22,760
can see the lights, you know, from down the hill,

2424
02:05:22,920 --> 02:05:24,079
this conical shape.

2425
02:05:24,199 --> 02:05:24,399
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2426
02:05:25,359 --> 02:05:27,960
Speaker 4: Oh that's oh my god. It's like the road that

2427
02:05:28,039 --> 02:05:30,239
John Candy and Steve Martin around in Kansas where the

2428
02:05:30,279 --> 02:05:37,159
thing blows up. Why are you driving around the darkness?

2429
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:40,159
You can only mean one thing. You're gonna drive around

2430
02:05:40,199 --> 02:05:42,640
for three hours so the courthouse open so you can file.

2431
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:49,560
Oh that's so funny. Oh my god, Oh my god,

2432
02:05:50,720 --> 02:05:56,640
oh the darkness. Drive around, driving around the dark dude

2433
02:05:57,920 --> 02:05:59,199
all hours of the morning.

2434
02:05:59,279 --> 02:05:59,520
Speaker 8: Brother.

2435
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:02,840
Speaker 3: Well, that said, let's get to the point of the

2436
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:04,239
sit complaint of Mentionetogin.

2437
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:07,760
Speaker 4: On once occasion, mister Udy appeared in an event and

2438
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:10,439
the agents demanded that mister Yudi fall through a table

2439
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:16,479
and loose the match. Read that again, please. On once occasion,

2440
02:06:18,039 --> 02:06:21,479
when mister Yudy appeared in an event, the agents demanded

2441
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:24,560
that mister Yudi fall to a table and lose the match.

2442
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:28,760
Speaker 3: This is okay, so he's referencing. You know, the Brusso

2443
02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:30,920
Bischoff era is short lived. As it was, there were

2444
02:06:30,920 --> 02:06:33,000
a lot of people going through tables for no reason. Man,

2445
02:06:33,039 --> 02:06:34,720
they were doing shit every ten seconds.

2446
02:06:34,760 --> 02:06:35,359
Speaker 4: That was wild.

2447
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:38,279
Speaker 3: So apparently at a time that he had told both

2448
02:06:38,319 --> 02:06:40,399
of them, they had told him that he would have

2449
02:06:40,439 --> 02:06:43,119
to perform any physical acts because of his injuries. They

2450
02:06:43,199 --> 02:06:46,520
insisted he make appearances, even though Sid claims he should

2451
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:49,039
have been a healing at the time. And he shows

2452
02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:50,880
up on one occasion and they asked him to go.

2453
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:51,399
Speaker 4: Through a table.

2454
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:53,479
Speaker 8: That's wild.

2455
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:54,680
Speaker 4: Do you remember that at all?

2456
02:06:54,920 --> 02:06:58,640
Speaker 3: Well, he wrestled Sting on that April tenth nitro and

2457
02:06:58,720 --> 02:06:59,840
then that was it. And I don't think he went

2458
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:02,359
through table in that match. Maybe he did, maybe he

2459
02:07:02,439 --> 02:07:04,239
did put maybe someone did run out and put him

2460
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:06,000
through the table to explain his absence, not that I

2461
02:07:06,039 --> 02:07:08,239
think about it, but whatever.

2462
02:07:08,199 --> 02:07:13,199
Speaker 4: Fucking weird, mister Bischoff. Mister Russo promised that if mister

2463
02:07:13,319 --> 02:07:16,680
Yudi did this for both the live shows, both live shows,

2464
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:18,920
that he would not have to perform for the next

2465
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:21,319
pay perview, but he would receive his full pay fifty

2466
02:07:21,359 --> 02:07:23,319
thousand dollars for that pay per view.

2467
02:07:24,399 --> 02:07:27,000
Speaker 3: Agree, you'll pay the guy to not work the pay

2468
02:07:27,039 --> 02:07:29,479
per view if he'll just you know, do something at

2469
02:07:29,479 --> 02:07:32,439
a nitro Like what kind of you got to negotiate that?

2470
02:07:32,760 --> 02:07:35,479
That's like chicken shit, you know, that's WCW to me, right,

2471
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:38,119
exactly every little thing you have to do, like has

2472
02:07:38,199 --> 02:07:40,640
four or five contractual ramifications.

2473
02:07:40,039 --> 02:07:44,880
Speaker 4: Oh, mister Bischoff. Mister Russo promised that mister Uti would

2474
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:47,760
be giving time to heal and a complete physical therapy.

2475
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:52,319
Mister Yuti reluctantly agreed, especially since he was he's going

2476
02:07:52,399 --> 02:07:55,119
to finally get time to heal and recuperate from his

2477
02:07:55,239 --> 02:07:58,079
injuries and curred for the benefit of defendants.

2478
02:07:58,600 --> 02:08:02,359
Speaker 3: They were incurred for the benefit of the plaintiff by

2479
02:08:02,399 --> 02:08:05,479
the way they were. They were incurred in.

2480
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:09,479
Speaker 4: The listen, my injuries were incurred and they benefited you

2481
02:08:11,239 --> 02:08:12,159
and your benefit.

2482
02:08:13,359 --> 02:08:15,159
Speaker 3: O me, even though I got paid, that's fine.

2483
02:08:16,720 --> 02:08:20,439
Speaker 4: Instead of abiden by agreement, defendant's cut mister Yu's paying

2484
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:24,079
half while he was undergoing physical theory. Oh you don't

2485
02:08:24,119 --> 02:08:24,319
do that.

2486
02:08:25,359 --> 02:08:28,079
Speaker 3: Don't bring that Brad Siegel cost cutting to Sid's contract.

2487
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:31,119
No thanks, cut his pay in half while they sent

2488
02:08:31,239 --> 02:08:34,279
him home, telling him he'd be if he'd be taken

2489
02:08:34,319 --> 02:08:40,000
care of, Brad. Brad, Come on, folks, Diana Myers can

2490
02:08:40,039 --> 02:08:41,880
write you a letter, but that doesn't mean it's it's

2491
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:42,840
gonna hold up.

2492
02:08:44,199 --> 02:08:47,520
Speaker 4: Mister U was constantly required to make promotional appearances, even

2493
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:50,880
though he was termed disabled and receiving one half his pay.

2494
02:08:51,880 --> 02:08:55,760
These appearances included a ten day appearance in Australia and

2495
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:59,000
Los Angeles, California, from which he was hospitalized upon his

2496
02:08:59,079 --> 02:09:02,840
return home. Now, La, would that be the premiere of

2497
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:04,960
fucking Ready to Run? I bet it would be. Didn't

2498
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:08,319
he have some like minor me? He wrestles in You

2499
02:09:08,399 --> 02:09:11,279
know that's got to be it just a big thing.

2500
02:09:12,319 --> 02:09:15,399
Mister Udy was even forced to do live television performances

2501
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:18,800
when he had been promised that there would be nothing physical,

2502
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:23,840
merely merely an appearance each time the quote booker whose

2503
02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:27,800
employee of or Asian Defendants had a physical incident occur.

2504
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:32,239
These physical incidents prolonged mister Udie's recovery from his injuries.

2505
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:36,359
Defendants employees and agents told mister Udi that his appearances

2506
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:39,720
were necessary for the survival of the company whose ratings

2507
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:46,479
were low. In December two thousand, Defendants promised mister Udy

2508
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:50,279
that he would be the main event on pay per view,

2509
02:09:50,479 --> 02:09:52,439
the entire storyline built around him.

2510
02:09:52,479 --> 02:09:54,279
Speaker 3: Of course, Starcating and Scott Steiner.

2511
02:09:54,359 --> 02:09:58,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, mister Terry Taylor, who's employed by or and Or

2512
02:09:58,439 --> 02:10:00,880
worked for Defendants as an agent. He told mister Udi

2513
02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:06,079
to get an early release from anyone to do his

2514
02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:09,680
pay per view. Mister Taylor and others who were employed

2515
02:10:09,880 --> 02:10:13,720
or buy or acting on behalf def informasiter uti at

2516
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,159
the company was depending on him to performed his pay

2517
02:10:16,199 --> 02:10:19,960
per views to raise ratings. Let we go again, because

2518
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:22,920
this is a great track record to this point, right right,

2519
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:26,640
Mister Yu discussed his problems fifty thousand dollars for the

2520
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:30,680
earlier pay per view with Miss Diana Myers, an employee

2521
02:10:30,840 --> 02:10:34,279
of Defense. Miss Myers promised that if mister uti was

2522
02:10:34,359 --> 02:10:38,319
released to work, he'd received his full compensation, including fifty

2523
02:10:38,399 --> 02:10:42,760
thousand dollars. On December first, two thousand, mister Utie's physician

2524
02:10:43,079 --> 02:10:47,760
released him to work. On December fifty, two thousand, Ms

2525
02:10:47,960 --> 02:10:51,439
Myers's counsel for ww a division of Turner Sports and

2526
02:10:51,479 --> 02:10:57,359
a Time Warner company, restored mister Utie's compensation by written correspondence. However,

2527
02:10:57,479 --> 02:11:00,359
that promise fifty thousand dollars was still not paid.

2528
02:11:00,520 --> 02:11:02,560
Speaker 3: Another Russo promise in one ear out the other.

2529
02:11:06,159 --> 02:11:08,880
Speaker 4: That's crazy. I mean, yeah, well that's a that's a

2530
02:11:09,119 --> 02:11:16,119
that's a that's a kind of a massive financial commitment

2531
02:11:16,199 --> 02:11:16,920
that they're not paying.

2532
02:11:17,159 --> 02:11:20,760
Speaker 3: We'll pay you, yeah, we'll pay you what you would

2533
02:11:21,319 --> 02:11:23,000
what you'd make if you work the pay per view,

2534
02:11:23,239 --> 02:11:25,960
even though you won't as compensation to get you to

2535
02:11:26,039 --> 02:11:28,319
agree to do this table spot or whatever we need

2536
02:11:28,399 --> 02:11:30,920
to do to get you written out, and then we'll

2537
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:32,760
send you home. And not only will we not pay

2538
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:34,760
you the fifty grand, we'll cut your pan half as well.

2539
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:40,199
Speaker 4: Right, mister Johnny Ace was a booker for defendants. He

2540
02:11:40,359 --> 02:11:46,479
was employed by one or all of defendants? Okay, how

2541
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:48,720
was he employed by one defendant or all?

2542
02:11:49,279 --> 02:11:54,279
Speaker 3: Well, there's more than just UWC. That's that's sued here.

2543
02:11:54,319 --> 02:11:57,800
It's also him, which would be weird. Yeah, and then

2544
02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:00,760
the X Y Z factor we talked about, or here

2545
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:01,000
we go.

2546
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:07,399
Speaker 4: Mister Ace, oh my God, constantly insisted that mister Yudi

2547
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:13,079
leaped from the top ropes of the ring and the

2548
02:12:13,199 --> 02:12:17,600
land of his opponents. Mister Yudy refused to perform this move,

2549
02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:24,079
stating that he had ring rust e g was not

2550
02:12:24,239 --> 02:12:27,039
yet accustomed to being back in the wrestling ring, and

2551
02:12:27,159 --> 02:12:29,199
that he did not think that a man of his

2552
02:12:29,319 --> 02:12:33,800
size should perform such a stunt. Mister Ace continued to insist,

2553
02:12:34,119 --> 02:12:37,039
even though mister Udy had not completely healed from his

2554
02:12:37,159 --> 02:12:40,000
prior injury and was forced to get an early release

2555
02:12:40,039 --> 02:12:44,520
from the hospital. Mister Udy did not agree jumping from

2556
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:48,000
the ropes surrounding the ring was particularly safe in light

2557
02:12:48,039 --> 02:12:50,840
of his size six feet nine inches and weight two

2558
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:55,840
hundred and ninety five pounds. On January fourteenth, two thousand

2559
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:57,560
and one, mister Uti was to perform at a pay

2560
02:12:57,600 --> 02:13:05,520
per view in Indianapolis, mister Race. Mister Race handed mister

2561
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:09,920
Udias script. Well, there it is, get giving away the

2562
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:14,560
whole business. This script finished with mister Udy leaping from

2563
02:13:14,600 --> 02:13:19,319
the top ropes onto his opponent. Mister Udi tried to

2564
02:13:19,399 --> 02:13:22,319
refuse to perform this move. Mister Race and others who

2565
02:13:22,359 --> 02:13:26,000
are employees and agents and defendants instance that mister Uti

2566
02:13:26,119 --> 02:13:30,279
performed this move, citing his contract and his duty to

2567
02:13:30,359 --> 02:13:36,560
help the company which needed better ratings. Mister Uedi reluctantly

2568
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:39,359
performed the move and suffered a double compound fracture of

2569
02:13:39,439 --> 02:13:43,760
his left leg. Mister Udy's leg bones protruded through the

2570
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:52,119
skill and his boots. On nationally broadcast television, mister mister

2571
02:13:52,279 --> 02:13:56,239
Udy was a horrific agony, lying on his back on

2572
02:13:56,359 --> 02:14:03,359
the stage. The stage, the stage, okay, because we're circus

2573
02:14:03,399 --> 02:14:04,880
animals performing an act.

2574
02:14:05,560 --> 02:14:06,920
Speaker 3: That wasn't in the complaint by the one.

2575
02:14:10,600 --> 02:14:15,199
Speaker 4: Mister Udi was immediately transported Methodist Hospital for emergency surgery.

2576
02:14:16,199 --> 02:14:18,720
Mister Ace came to the hospital to visit mister Udi

2577
02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:21,680
and apologize, repeatedly stating that he was sorry that he

2578
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:25,479
forced mister Usi to performed the move while mister Uti

2579
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:28,880
was recovering in the hospital. Defense broadcast of the incident

2580
02:14:28,960 --> 02:14:30,439
repeatedly on the live show.

2581
02:14:31,279 --> 02:14:33,600
Speaker 3: And this is where the replay that we started this

2582
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:36,159
show talking about becomes an issue in a court of law.

2583
02:14:37,079 --> 02:14:41,479
Speaker 4: Yep, Defenders were taking advantage of mister Utie's horrific injury

2584
02:14:41,560 --> 02:14:46,319
to gain ratings. Defendants succeeded and received high ratings for

2585
02:14:46,399 --> 02:14:48,760
the live show. Okay, let's dile it into that one,

2586
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:52,119
go ahead. These ratings translated into higher earnings for defendants

2587
02:14:52,159 --> 02:14:56,279
for these lives, for these shows. Oh they didn't, Oh

2588
02:14:56,319 --> 02:14:58,920
they did. They got higher earnings, high ratings. And I

2589
02:14:59,000 --> 02:15:01,760
didn't get ship high.

2590
02:15:01,640 --> 02:15:07,039
Speaker 3: Earnings, higher earnings.

2591
02:15:07,119 --> 02:15:11,560
Speaker 4: You hear that, judge, Listen, I heard it. I heard.

2592
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:17,199
I'm mister Udi. I am all for you getting hired. Earnings?

2593
02:15:19,359 --> 02:15:19,800
Speaker 8: What it is?

2594
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:23,920
Speaker 4: Hired? He's get hired? He earned they all right? Did

2595
02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:24,359
he earn?

2596
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:24,800
Speaker 8: Did he?

2597
02:15:25,279 --> 02:15:28,159
Speaker 4: Listen? Did he get earnings? For breaking his leg? On

2598
02:15:28,319 --> 02:15:30,720
national television and asked the question, counselor did did did

2599
02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:32,920
he get earnings? Did did he earn it?

2600
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:34,159
Speaker 3: Did you earn as a result of this?

2601
02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:37,439
Speaker 4: Did he get earned? Did he earn? Anybody doesn't that

2602
02:15:37,560 --> 02:15:39,399
to take a carry? And everybody know if he earned

2603
02:15:39,640 --> 02:15:42,239
not take a car or something like that. Now didn't

2604
02:15:42,239 --> 02:15:44,239
that undertaker guy? Didn't he carry and earn? Is that

2605
02:15:44,279 --> 02:15:47,239
what you're talking about? Earnings?

2606
02:15:48,760 --> 02:15:48,920
Speaker 8: Right?

2607
02:15:49,399 --> 02:15:53,399
Speaker 4: Earnings then earned with dings in it?

2608
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:53,800
Speaker 8: Right?

2609
02:15:54,399 --> 02:16:00,560
Speaker 4: Ring dings? What is the following? In defendis brought Inductory Andrews,

2610
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:03,479
one of mister Judy's physicians to appear in w W

2611
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:07,079
even though mister Judy never saw doctor's respect to his

2612
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:12,720
leg injury. Say that again, even though mister Yudie never

2613
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:17,319
saw doctor and Andrews with respect to his leg injury. Okay, so,

2614
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:23,439
but was MISTERI was doctor Andrews a fucking just regular physician,

2615
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:25,840
Like why would he see him? Isn't he a surgeon?

2616
02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:28,239
Speaker 3: He's a surgeon, Yeah, but he might. I'm obviously he's

2617
02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:29,319
gonna need surgery.

2618
02:16:29,039 --> 02:16:33,040
Speaker 4: So right, but but he but he never saw doctor

2619
02:16:33,079 --> 02:16:34,440
Andaws with respect to his leg injury.

2620
02:16:38,360 --> 02:16:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so right, So they're putting. So they're putting. So

2621
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:43,959
doctor Andrews on television to talk about an injury like.

2622
02:16:44,040 --> 02:16:47,680
Speaker 4: This, But why is he? I mean, it just seems

2623
02:16:47,719 --> 02:16:51,360
weird to like that he's a regular physician he's one

2624
02:16:51,399 --> 02:16:56,840
of mister Udy's physicians. That seems weird to me, Like, like,

2625
02:16:57,120 --> 02:16:59,559
what what else would he do besides performed surgery on you.

2626
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:00,760
Speaker 8: I don't know.

2627
02:17:00,879 --> 02:17:02,520
Speaker 4: Maybe he can consult you about surgery.

2628
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, maybe he consulted sit on another surgery.

2629
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:08,440
Speaker 4: I guess. But again, I wouldn't. I would not consider

2630
02:17:08,520 --> 02:17:13,920
a surgeon who I only talked to on for specific

2631
02:17:14,079 --> 02:17:16,799
reasons my physician would be considered one of my physicians.

2632
02:17:17,479 --> 02:17:20,680
That's a good point, YEP, that seems weird to me, Like,

2633
02:17:20,920 --> 02:17:22,840
I mean, because I mean, I wouldn't consider him to

2634
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:25,319
be a physician. I mean, I know, maybe that's maybe

2635
02:17:25,360 --> 02:17:30,360
that's a much broader term that incorporates surgeons as well. Yeah,

2636
02:17:30,399 --> 02:17:32,280
but like I don't think of a physician as being

2637
02:17:33,120 --> 02:17:34,120
as being a surgeon.

2638
02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:36,840
Speaker 3: I get your point. I wonder if that's a confusion

2639
02:17:36,840 --> 02:17:39,200
of terms. I just think it's fascinating that he's making

2640
02:17:39,719 --> 02:17:41,239
such a big deal out of the fact that they

2641
02:17:41,319 --> 02:17:44,319
replayed this on Nitro and made a segment out of

2642
02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:46,280
it and had doctor James Andrews way. And that's like

2643
02:17:46,520 --> 02:17:49,280
wrestling one oh one when a guy gets injured because you.

2644
02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:52,000
Speaker 4: Know why, because he technically made an appearance on the

2645
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:54,040
show and they're not fucking trank.

2646
02:17:55,120 --> 02:17:57,680
Speaker 3: Well, he's definitely that's why he's definitely needing to prove

2647
02:17:57,760 --> 02:18:00,760
it's becoming clear already. He's definitely needing to prove that

2648
02:18:01,360 --> 02:18:04,440
WCW made more money than they shared with him off

2649
02:18:04,479 --> 02:18:08,680
of his injury, like right, right exactly, They found ways

2650
02:18:08,760 --> 02:18:12,840
to enhance their show with his misfortune and then still

2651
02:18:12,879 --> 02:18:13,920
cut his pay in half.

2652
02:18:13,959 --> 02:18:20,360
Speaker 4: You know, uh as defendants had agreed had doctor Andrews

2653
02:18:20,440 --> 02:18:23,520
describe the injury in graphic detail, show X rays and

2654
02:18:23,600 --> 02:18:26,840
explain the surgery and recovery. And once again, defendants were

2655
02:18:26,879 --> 02:18:30,319
trying to increase their ratings by taking advantage of mister

2656
02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:37,600
Utie's injury and misery us after the injury, defends wrongfully

2657
02:18:38,440 --> 02:18:41,239
cut mister Utie's pay in half again while he was

2658
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:44,440
recovering from his injuries sustained because of the insistence of

2659
02:18:44,520 --> 02:18:48,159
one of its employees, Defendants cut mister Yu's pay even

2660
02:18:48,239 --> 02:18:51,120
though they were they were profiting from the horrible injury

2661
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:54,440
that mister Uti suffered on their behalf and at their insistence.

2662
02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:59,280
On February nineteen, two thousand and one, mister Huty received

2663
02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:03,319
a letter from you Benefit Consultants. This company allegedly provided

2664
02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:07,440
disability payments with mister Uti. However, upon information belief this

2665
02:19:07,559 --> 02:19:10,799
company had an insurance policy which listed defendants as the

2666
02:19:10,879 --> 02:19:14,559
beneficiary in the event, and that mister Uti was injured,

2667
02:19:15,239 --> 02:19:18,559
the benefit was the full value mister Utie's contract. Mister

2668
02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:21,559
EU completed the disability forms and sent them to US

2669
02:19:21,639 --> 02:19:25,120
Benefit Consultants. Mister Udi did not receive payment from US

2670
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:28,159
Benefit Consultants or the insurance so he got no payment

2671
02:19:28,239 --> 02:19:30,040
from the benefit consultant. That's interesting.

2672
02:19:30,079 --> 02:19:32,879
Speaker 3: Wow, And he's saying the so WCW basically got an

2673
02:19:32,920 --> 02:19:34,680
insurance payment in the amount of what they would have

2674
02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:37,159
paid SID in the contract if he was working the

2675
02:19:37,200 --> 02:19:39,159
whole time, right, So they're made whole for the fact

2676
02:19:39,159 --> 02:19:41,760
they can't use SID. So that's a hell of a

2677
02:19:41,799 --> 02:19:44,000
thing to hang your hat on. Like, you guys already

2678
02:19:44,079 --> 02:19:46,520
made back all the money you would have lost if

2679
02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:49,280
I was working for you, right, So what the fuck?

2680
02:19:50,440 --> 02:19:54,639
Speaker 4: Right On Marsh one nine, two thousand and one, MS

2681
02:19:54,799 --> 02:19:58,360
Myers ww A division and Turner Entertainment and Tom Warner

2682
02:19:58,440 --> 02:20:04,040
Company terminated mister u contract. This termination was improper and

2683
02:20:04,159 --> 02:20:08,120
embrace the agreement. MS Myers indicated over telephone and in

2684
02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:10,520
her letter that mister Uti should contact the company that

2685
02:20:10,600 --> 02:20:17,440
purchases WW to get another contract. Defense had terminated mister

2686
02:20:17,559 --> 02:20:19,600
Uti because of the injury that they calls.

2687
02:20:20,559 --> 02:20:23,520
Speaker 3: This is around the same time, folks from our last

2688
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:27,639
Nitro coverage, Folks our Greed coverage, pardon me our Greed coverage.

2689
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,879
More particularly and the bachel of the Beach coverage will

2690
02:20:29,879 --> 02:20:33,120
recall that Myers is also hard at work, along with

2691
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:37,760
Brad Siegel, trying to you know, withhold guaranteed pay per

2692
02:20:37,799 --> 02:20:40,360
view payments from hul Cogan in these daring days by

2693
02:20:40,840 --> 02:20:43,719
inviting him to appear at Greed knowing he wouldn't, so

2694
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:46,520
that they could cite that as basically, you know, a

2695
02:20:46,600 --> 02:20:49,879
breach of the contract that means they don't have to

2696
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:53,360
pay him those those pay per view sums whether or

2697
02:20:53,399 --> 02:20:56,000
not he appears. So they're playing all kinds of games

2698
02:20:56,040 --> 02:20:57,479
in the winding feature.

2699
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:00,520
Speaker 4: Of feature player. Bro, No, no question, dude, I'm not

2700
02:21:00,600 --> 02:21:03,399
in my featured master to you. I can turn this

2701
02:21:03,559 --> 02:21:05,719
down and you still got paid, brother.

2702
02:21:05,719 --> 02:21:08,360
Speaker 3: Zactly you know, cash those checks, dude, Given though the

2703
02:21:08,399 --> 02:21:10,600
contract isn't valid, as I argue in my lawsuit, I'm

2704
02:21:10,600 --> 02:21:12,959
going to cash the checks. Brother, there should have been more.

2705
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:15,360
Speaker 4: I listened to it. I get your money comes in, brother,

2706
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:17,079
I cast those checks. Dude, I don't know what you

2707
02:21:17,079 --> 02:21:18,000
want from those checks.

2708
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:19,760
Speaker 3: And then claim after the fact that I'm not a

2709
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:20,479
title to him.

2710
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:23,239
Speaker 4: Brother, cut checks, cash checks? Dude? What's going on that?

2711
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:23,799
Speaker 3: His hustle?

2712
02:21:23,920 --> 02:21:29,280
Speaker 4: Brother? I mean, look, life's a game, dude. You know

2713
02:21:29,360 --> 02:21:34,799
we're talking about playing the gizzam Dude. What's it is? Exactly?

2714
02:21:36,440 --> 02:21:39,639
Mister Yedy is currently not employed as a professional wrestler.

2715
02:21:40,760 --> 02:21:44,680
Mister ud has gone through extensive rehabilitation. The recovery process

2716
02:21:44,719 --> 02:21:50,520
has been long and extremely painful. How about that? Major

2717
02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:51,719
changes at WCW.

2718
02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:54,120
Speaker 3: Think about this, okay, think about the state of affairs

2719
02:21:54,440 --> 02:21:56,639
irrespective of the fact that WW moved in and bought

2720
02:21:56,680 --> 02:21:59,719
the company SID on January fourteenth of twenty oh one.

2721
02:21:59,799 --> 02:22:03,120
So firstkn the injury we just saw yep, March. First,

2722
02:22:03,719 --> 02:22:04,920
they terminate his contract.

2723
02:22:06,079 --> 02:22:13,680
Speaker 4: What's the problem. Huh, what's the problem? Don't say the's

2724
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:16,879
a problem. I'm just staying in facts. It's normal procedure.

2725
02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:20,840
You know, you know, he's not he's not coming to

2726
02:22:20,879 --> 02:22:23,200
work for I'm not able to perform right, very simple.

2727
02:22:24,959 --> 02:22:27,000
You know, if you just if you just fucking know,

2728
02:22:27,120 --> 02:22:30,479
showed at your office for two months, you'd be fucking fine.

2729
02:22:31,159 --> 02:22:34,920
Is real simple? And I see what you do understand

2730
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:36,239
is what is real simple?

2731
02:22:36,760 --> 02:22:37,799
Speaker 3: You don't know what simple is.

2732
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:43,440
Speaker 4: You don't even understand what simple is. You don't even

2733
02:22:43,479 --> 02:22:44,959
understand how stupid I am?

2734
02:22:46,879 --> 02:22:50,639
Speaker 3: All right, stop quoting from the promo and the outsiders.

2735
02:22:53,159 --> 02:22:55,879
Speaker 4: All mister d has remained ready to perform one of

2736
02:22:55,920 --> 02:23:00,159
the agreement is requested. W W went through Signify you

2737
02:23:00,200 --> 02:23:02,399
Can changes during the early part of the year two thousand.

2738
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:07,280
WW change it's man operating management on at least two occasions.

2739
02:23:07,319 --> 02:23:11,319
In two thousand, there were numerous press reports a ww's

2740
02:23:11,360 --> 02:23:15,520
parent corporation, Time Warner Incorporated, embarked on a program of

2741
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:22,079
reducing or eliminating wsw's contractual obligations as a prelude to

2742
02:23:22,159 --> 02:23:28,079
Time Warner's merger with America Online Incorporated. Burners Wrestling tenure

2743
02:23:28,120 --> 02:23:31,600
with defendants. Mister Udi received paychecks issued by defendant Turner

2744
02:23:31,639 --> 02:23:37,680
Sports Incorporated that showed WSW as an affiliated entity. Mister

2745
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:42,559
Udi received correspondence from WW on stationary letterhead which specifically

2746
02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:45,879
represented the WW as a division of Turner Sports staying

2747
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:52,639
World Championship Wrestling a division of Turner Sports. Defendant Turner

2748
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:56,959
Sports Incorporated, and WSW share the same business address, one

2749
02:23:57,079 --> 02:23:58,879
CNN Center, Atlanta, Georgia.

2750
02:23:58,879 --> 02:23:59,559
Speaker 3: Okay, we get it.

2751
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:06,639
Speaker 4: Said defendants Turner Sports and Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated dominated

2752
02:24:06,680 --> 02:24:10,799
and controlled the business activities at w CW. Dominated.

2753
02:24:10,959 --> 02:24:13,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if everyone would agree with that characterization.

2754
02:24:15,799 --> 02:24:19,319
Speaker 4: Defense Turner Sports Incorporated and Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated, as

2755
02:24:19,360 --> 02:24:22,399
executives managed and operated the business and w CW and

2756
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:28,159
paid wrestler salaries. Defending Turner Sports Incorporated and defendant Turner

2757
02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:31,799
Sports Entertainment. So now there's Turner Sports Entertainment Group. Yeah,

2758
02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:34,239
look at that. That's a new one. That's a fucking

2759
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:43,120
just w that's hilarious. So I thought I was Turner Wrestling, Right,

2760
02:24:43,360 --> 02:24:47,159
you wrest youre in the wrestling business. Now you're an

2761
02:24:47,399 --> 02:24:54,559
entertainment business. You gotta make up your mind. Theodore. That's

2762
02:24:54,559 --> 02:25:05,399
a shot, Theodore Turner, THEO. Right, every gonna call you Theopal. Well,

2763
02:25:05,440 --> 02:25:06,079
I just did.

2764
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:09,280
Speaker 3: I think it'll stick?

2765
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:16,760
Speaker 4: TURNI Sports Entertainment Group Incorporated had their employees direct the

2766
02:25:16,879 --> 02:25:21,520
activities of WW have their employees direct to the activities

2767
02:25:21,639 --> 02:25:26,799
of WSW. Ww's division Turner Sports and a Turner Entertainment

2768
02:25:26,879 --> 02:25:30,959
acted as defendant. Turner Sports Incorporated and Turner Entertainment Group

2769
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:34,799
Incorporators agent in connection with the operation of the business.

2770
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:38,879
As such, defendise, Turner Sports Incorporated and Turner Entertainment Group

2771
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:46,000
are vicariously liable for the connacht WSW defense. Turner Sports

2772
02:25:46,040 --> 02:25:50,399
Incorporated Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated in WSW acted as joint

2773
02:25:50,520 --> 02:25:53,600
ventures in the business operation of w CW as a

2774
02:25:53,600 --> 02:26:00,040
wrestling enterprise. WW was the altar group alter ego of

2775
02:26:00,159 --> 02:26:04,360
definis Turner Sports Incorporated and Turner Entertainment CREEP Incorporated. Definished

2776
02:26:04,360 --> 02:26:09,479
Turner Sports Incorporated and Turningtainment were have commingled, co mingled

2777
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:13,280
their assets with those WSW, have controlled the business WSW

2778
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:16,799
advance and further their own business purposes, and have abused

2779
02:26:17,280 --> 02:26:20,239
and disregard to the corporate form and therefore the corporate

2780
02:26:20,360 --> 02:26:21,559
veil should be pierced.

2781
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:26,399
Speaker 3: Yes, in other words, and they're trying to go after

2782
02:26:26,520 --> 02:26:29,559
Turner instead of WCW. They're trying to you know what

2783
02:26:29,639 --> 02:26:33,920
I mean, claim make a claim against Turner and get

2784
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:36,040
that money. Instead of w W which is now out

2785
02:26:36,040 --> 02:26:37,920
of business. So they're going out of their way to

2786
02:26:38,040 --> 02:26:40,879
like say, there's there's no difference. So you can't just

2787
02:26:40,959 --> 02:26:43,040
like isolate over here and say, well, WW has no

2788
02:26:43,079 --> 02:26:46,319
money to pay you a settlement, you know, but if

2789
02:26:46,360 --> 02:26:48,239
you make it about Turner, then you get accessed all

2790
02:26:48,239 --> 02:26:50,079
that money, right settlement.

2791
02:26:50,799 --> 02:26:52,760
Speaker 4: Well, I thought I thought too that it was the

2792
02:26:52,840 --> 02:26:54,719
Turner was paying the money anyway, not WW.

2793
02:26:56,319 --> 02:26:58,600
Speaker 3: Well when WW was running, yes, but thus I forget

2794
02:26:58,639 --> 02:27:00,799
this is filed two years after WW he closes. So

2795
02:27:01,159 --> 02:27:04,479
there's this uwc nity that I'm sure Turner slash AOL

2796
02:27:04,680 --> 02:27:06,840
would be very eager to argue, are the only books

2797
02:27:06,879 --> 02:27:09,360
that you can go after to settle a lawsuit? And

2798
02:27:09,479 --> 02:27:13,600
he's like, no, sir, that's my guess as to why

2799
02:27:13,639 --> 02:27:17,680
he's going through such painstaking stipulation of facts connecting Turner

2800
02:27:17,719 --> 02:27:19,879
to w like there's any controversy about that at all.

2801
02:27:20,680 --> 02:27:28,840
Speaker 4: Right, Recently, defendant Turner Entertainment, Greeve and or AOW AOL

2802
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:33,440
Time Warner sold WSW World Wrestling Entertainment. In this transaction,

2803
02:27:33,639 --> 02:27:37,040
certain assets were sold WWE, including but not limited to,

2804
02:27:37,079 --> 02:27:40,159
the right to use the name WW. However, the contracts

2805
02:27:40,239 --> 02:27:44,239
certain wrestlers were not similarly transferred. W uses the name

2806
02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:49,920
w CW, but not its employees, equipment, etc. WCW does

2807
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:52,159
not perform shows, but it has changed his name to

2808
02:27:52,239 --> 02:27:58,000
leave Universal Wrestling Company, Incorporated, Georgia Corporation. Upon information, believe

2809
02:27:58,079 --> 02:28:02,360
this corporation merely exists for the benefit of the remaining liabilities. WW.

2810
02:28:06,639 --> 02:28:09,479
We're fourteen pages in count one right.

2811
02:28:09,399 --> 02:28:11,840
Speaker 3: Now, it's gonna start talking about what they did wrong.

2812
02:28:13,559 --> 02:28:17,040
Speaker 4: Mister Udy adopts re alleges and incorporates hearing and above

2813
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:21,000
by reference all allegations containing paragraphs one through sixty six

2814
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:24,520
and the amending complaint fully and completely as if set

2815
02:28:24,600 --> 02:28:30,399
forth here in. Mister Uti had entered into various oral, written, express,

2816
02:28:30,639 --> 02:28:34,000
and implied agreements with defendants, including but not limited to

2817
02:28:34,239 --> 02:28:36,799
oral promise to pay mister Udy for a pay per

2818
02:28:36,879 --> 02:28:39,600
view event in April two thousand and the agreement.

2819
02:28:39,319 --> 02:28:42,319
Speaker 3: One of those oral promises from the Russo Bischoff regime.

2820
02:28:42,520 --> 02:28:45,959
Speaker 4: YEP, Defense breached the terms of the agreement by, among

2821
02:28:46,200 --> 02:28:50,120
other things, improperly reducing mister UTI's pay, failing to pay

2822
02:28:50,200 --> 02:28:53,120
mister Judy, reducing mister Uty's pay when he was still

2823
02:28:53,159 --> 02:28:59,600
performing for defendance benefit and terminated his agreement. Mister Uy's

2824
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:02,799
contract provided that wrestler should be paid for a minimum

2825
02:29:02,920 --> 02:29:08,479
eight pay perview events per contractual year. This guaranteed compensation

2826
02:29:08,680 --> 02:29:12,719
is in addition to mister Hudy's regular salary. Mister Uty

2827
02:29:12,840 --> 02:29:16,319
was only paid in full for two pay perviews during

2828
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:19,319
two year two of his agreement. He was paid one

2829
02:29:19,399 --> 02:29:22,200
half his pay per view guarantee compensation at one hundred

2830
02:29:22,239 --> 02:29:27,280
and thirty seven thousand, five hundred dollars. These just admit

2831
02:29:27,399 --> 02:29:29,920
own mister Uty this guaranteed compensation.

2832
02:29:30,159 --> 02:29:33,280
Speaker 3: Defendants owing mister Udy this guaranteed.

2833
02:29:32,840 --> 02:29:37,120
Speaker 4: Company defensive breach their agreement by Faund to pay this

2834
02:29:37,239 --> 02:29:39,719
amount for year two, which is one hundred and thirty

2835
02:29:39,760 --> 02:29:44,920
five thousand, five hundred dollars. Defendants, by and through mister

2836
02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:48,360
Eric Bischoff, mister Vince Russo and mister Yuty agreed that

2837
02:29:48,479 --> 02:29:50,719
mister Uty would be paid fifty thousand dollars for an

2838
02:29:50,760 --> 02:29:53,239
extra pay per view event that mister Uty would not

2839
02:29:53,360 --> 02:29:57,000
appeal I have to appear at. He would be paid

2840
02:29:57,399 --> 02:29:59,920
for an extra pay per view event that he would

2841
02:30:00,120 --> 02:30:05,079
not have to appear at. Sounds great disagreement was further ratified.

2842
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:06,639
But I mean, who fuck agrees to that.

2843
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:09,079
Speaker 3: Well, they're trying to get him to do something, and

2844
02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:13,600
if they offerm fifty grand to do nothing, maybe he'll

2845
02:30:13,639 --> 02:30:13,799
do it.

2846
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:16,520
Speaker 4: No sense.

2847
02:30:16,719 --> 02:30:18,559
Speaker 3: Well, you know, let's not forget a huge part of

2848
02:30:18,639 --> 02:30:21,559
Russo's psychology was always clear out the old guys, you know,

2849
02:30:22,040 --> 02:30:23,959
the old god there were the big earners. In the beginning,

2850
02:30:24,559 --> 02:30:26,559
as he's trying to run Hogan out, you know, in

2851
02:30:26,639 --> 02:30:28,360
the first the first time he got the book, he

2852
02:30:28,360 --> 02:30:32,120
did Hogan lay down for Sting right away and flare

2853
02:30:32,159 --> 02:30:33,760
eggsit the picture is kind of like this thing of like,

2854
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:36,079
you know, let's let's have these huge earners exit the

2855
02:30:36,120 --> 02:30:39,000
picture until we can weave them back in in a

2856
02:30:39,079 --> 02:30:41,200
company that I can remake in my image while they're gone,

2857
02:30:41,399 --> 02:30:42,879
you know, without their interference.

2858
02:30:43,799 --> 02:30:45,920
Speaker 4: Like it's like, but you're going to pay them, Like

2859
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:47,319
you're you're spending money for nothing?

2860
02:30:47,319 --> 02:30:49,680
Speaker 3: What would Yeah, Well there you go. That's WCW for you,

2861
02:30:50,920 --> 02:30:54,440
that's WW for you. You know, yeah, yeah, I'm sure

2862
02:30:54,719 --> 02:30:57,479
in their mind they're doing it for something. They're they're

2863
02:30:57,559 --> 02:31:00,479
doing what it takes to get him to agree to,

2864
02:31:01,440 --> 02:31:04,760
you know, actually strengthen somebody on the way out as

2865
02:31:04,799 --> 02:31:07,879
the outgoing world champion instead of just disappearing without a

2866
02:31:07,959 --> 02:31:08,639
scratch on him.

2867
02:31:09,440 --> 02:31:10,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesus.

2868
02:31:10,879 --> 02:31:12,680
Speaker 3: Thing is the creative that came up with was so

2869
02:31:12,760 --> 02:31:15,639
ineffective that whatever they thought they got out of sid

2870
02:31:15,760 --> 02:31:18,440
doing that, no one remembers to this day what he did.

2871
02:31:18,559 --> 02:31:28,319
Speaker 4: No one even can remember. Mister Yuti was not paid

2872
02:31:28,360 --> 02:31:30,719
anything in year three of his agreement because the agreement

2873
02:31:30,799 --> 02:31:34,719
was unlawfully and improperly terminated by Defenise. Defendise have breached

2874
02:31:34,719 --> 02:31:39,079
their agreement by failing to pay this one million, three

2875
02:31:39,159 --> 02:31:44,840
hundred and eighty thousand dollars in compensation. Defendants improperly and

2876
02:31:44,920 --> 02:31:47,159
in breaches of the agreement with mister Uti, reduced his

2877
02:31:47,360 --> 02:31:51,600
pay during year two of this agreement. By all these acts,

2878
02:31:51,719 --> 02:31:55,000
defendants breached their duties of good faith and fair dealing.

2879
02:31:56,040 --> 02:32:00,200
As direct and in approximate result of defendants acts, mister

2880
02:32:00,319 --> 02:32:05,159
Uty has suffered harm, including the loss was pay under

2881
02:32:05,159 --> 02:32:13,559
the agreement, loss of endorsements, okay, and status as a performer. Actually,

2882
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:15,440
when you're out of when you're at a commission, usually

2883
02:32:15,479 --> 02:32:16,600
your status grows.

2884
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:18,559
Speaker 3: Right, that's kind of a specious thing. I've lost my

2885
02:32:18,639 --> 02:32:19,719
status as a performer.

2886
02:32:20,639 --> 02:32:28,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, miss okay, whenever you say pal. Mister Ute is

2887
02:32:28,239 --> 02:32:31,319
entitled to damages for the breaches of the agreements, including

2888
02:32:31,360 --> 02:32:33,559
but not limited to you, payment for the other half

2889
02:32:33,639 --> 02:32:36,680
of his guaranteed pay per view events for two thousand

2890
02:32:36,680 --> 02:32:38,399
and two thousand and one at one hundred and thirty

2891
02:32:38,440 --> 02:32:42,879
five five hundred dollars per event, this full value of

2892
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:46,120
remainder of the agreement from June first, two thousand and

2893
02:32:46,200 --> 02:32:51,120
one until July one, two thousand and two, repayment of

2894
02:32:51,239 --> 02:32:55,600
improperty or improperly reduced salary unturned in the term of

2895
02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:58,840
his agreement, payment for the fifty thousand dollars pay per

2896
02:32:58,920 --> 02:33:02,479
view promised by mister Bischoff, mister Russo and Ms Myers

2897
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:08,719
uh an officer and employees in WW. In definis, and

2898
02:33:08,879 --> 02:33:12,239
such other damages resulting from defendant's breaches.

2899
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:15,360
Speaker 3: We do remember that those the contract that sid signed

2900
02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:18,600
was backloaded, so the biggest earning year was the last

2901
02:33:18,639 --> 02:33:20,920
year of the contract, right, which fucked them in so

2902
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:23,559
many ways in WW because when these contracts would reach

2903
02:33:23,600 --> 02:33:27,879
their final years, they couldn't afford any of them because

2904
02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:32,200
revenue had taken such a big hit. But Britain and

2905
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:34,200
none of them. You know what I mean, many of them.

2906
02:33:34,559 --> 02:33:37,040
And here he's saying June one, twenty oh one to

2907
02:33:37,159 --> 02:33:39,719
July one, twenty oh two, we would have been entitled

2908
02:33:39,719 --> 02:33:44,040
to one point thirty eight million dollars that they did

2909
02:33:44,120 --> 02:33:47,040
not pay because they terminated the contract in March. But

2910
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:49,719
that's that's a big chunk. That's a lot to count on.

2911
02:33:49,799 --> 02:33:51,559
You're looking at that contract thinking, oh, man, I got

2912
02:33:51,559 --> 02:33:55,200
my biggest year coming up. Yeah, right, ever happens, and

2913
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:57,120
it never happens in part because you jumped off the

2914
02:33:57,159 --> 02:34:00,520
fucking rope because they made you do it. That's annoying

2915
02:34:00,559 --> 02:34:02,079
as fuck. That must piss him off.

2916
02:34:04,120 --> 02:34:05,040
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure it does.

2917
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:08,440
Speaker 3: They probably would have moved to terminate his contract anyway,

2918
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:11,799
but they pulled a game like they did with Hogan

2919
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:13,479
where he didn't show for something or something make it.

2920
02:34:13,600 --> 02:34:16,040
You know, they had a lot of games, but the

2921
02:34:16,120 --> 02:34:19,000
fact that he was home injured really increased the menu

2922
02:34:19,079 --> 02:34:20,719
of games they could play on this guy.

2923
02:34:22,959 --> 02:34:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it seems like count to breach of fidu

2924
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:36,200
if what is it deduciary brother, fiduciary bro who breach

2925
02:34:36,280 --> 02:34:40,879
of fiduciary duty. Mister uty adopts real edges and incorporates

2926
02:34:40,920 --> 02:34:45,799
hearing and above Bob reference all allegations containing paragraphs one

2927
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:49,200
through seventy six of the Amended Complaint fully and completely

2928
02:34:49,280 --> 02:34:53,559
as if set forth hearing. Mister Uti was an independent

2929
02:34:53,600 --> 02:34:56,840
contractor by defendants and provides skills and services for which

2930
02:34:56,879 --> 02:35:02,239
defendants received financial benefits. Mister Uti was convinced to perform

2931
02:35:02,440 --> 02:35:05,760
acts which were injurious and dangerous to him for the

2932
02:35:05,799 --> 02:35:10,840
benefit of the company and to drive up ratings. I

2933
02:35:11,040 --> 02:35:11,920
drove ratings.

2934
02:35:12,840 --> 02:35:15,399
Speaker 3: Gott it, I gave up even looking it up. I mean,

2935
02:35:15,719 --> 02:35:17,760
the WCW ratings in two thousand and one were so

2936
02:35:17,959 --> 02:35:20,639
fucking laughable that for him to suggest for a second,

2937
02:35:20,760 --> 02:35:23,600
oh yeah, for a second that the twenty second clip

2938
02:35:23,639 --> 02:35:25,840
they played of him breaking his leg made any difference

2939
02:35:25,959 --> 02:35:26,520
and drived in.

2940
02:35:26,559 --> 02:35:29,479
Speaker 4: I mean even I mean even so, like you know,

2941
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:34,879
you know, driving up ratings for WCW in two thousand,

2942
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:37,399
thousand and one is not something to brag about. It

2943
02:35:37,559 --> 02:35:42,840
definitely not. You know, mister Uti performed acts for the

2944
02:35:42,879 --> 02:35:46,159
benefit of at defendis assistance, including but not limited to

2945
02:35:46,319 --> 02:35:52,159
making appearances, performing while injured in other acts, sexual acts

2946
02:35:54,520 --> 02:35:57,920
at defendance assistance, and for the express benefit defendants mister

2947
02:35:58,079 --> 02:36:01,280
Uti performed a leave from the top ropes of the ring,

2948
02:36:01,799 --> 02:36:05,399
resulting in both of the bones in his leg breaking

2949
02:36:06,520 --> 02:36:07,360
being broken.

2950
02:36:10,079 --> 02:36:13,079
Speaker 3: Well I'm reading here. TSN actually in Canada decided not

2951
02:36:13,239 --> 02:36:16,280
to show the injury, edited it off the Canadian version

2952
02:36:16,280 --> 02:36:16,719
of Nitro.

2953
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:22,760
Speaker 4: That's smart. Yeah. When mister Uti was severely injured on

2954
02:36:22,840 --> 02:36:26,040
the pay per view as a result, Defendance X defendants

2955
02:36:26,079 --> 02:36:29,799
improperly and then bad faith reduced mister Udie's pay and

2956
02:36:29,879 --> 02:36:35,879
then terminate his contract. Defendants capitalized on the nature and

2957
02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:39,360
the severity of mister Utie's injuries incurred as a result

2958
02:36:39,479 --> 02:36:44,079
Defendance misconduct and replayed the incident of live television on

2959
02:36:44,239 --> 02:36:47,239
live Television repeatedly used it as a focal point for

2960
02:36:47,319 --> 02:36:50,559
the for the following week's show by having mister Udie's

2961
02:36:50,559 --> 02:36:55,680
physicians show X rays of mister Udie's leg, describing the

2962
02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:58,959
nature an extent, an extent of the nature and the

2963
02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:02,639
surgery necessary for boats or such an injury, and otherwise

2964
02:37:02,760 --> 02:37:08,079
advertised in promoting the injury. This promotion resulted in higher

2965
02:37:08,159 --> 02:37:13,120
ratings and income for defendants. Defense would retain the benefits

2966
02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:17,600
of this incident, even though defendants had cut mister Ute's

2967
02:37:17,639 --> 02:37:23,959
pay and then terminate his contracts shortly thereafter. As mister

2968
02:37:24,079 --> 02:37:30,920
UTI's contractor employer, performance league, Performance League, and or as

2969
02:37:30,959 --> 02:37:34,920
the prime beneficiary of mister Utie's labors, Defendants owed duties

2970
02:37:35,000 --> 02:37:38,959
to mister Uti, including fiduciary duties, duties of good faith

2971
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:44,399
and fair dealing. As a result of defendants misconduct, mister

2972
02:37:44,600 --> 02:37:48,479
Uty has suffered damages, including, but not limited to, the

2973
02:37:48,600 --> 02:37:53,360
loss of his agreement and defenance with defancy yeah well

2974
02:37:53,440 --> 02:37:57,559
with defendants, the loss of income associated with his performance,

2975
02:37:57,840 --> 02:38:01,760
the loss of future revenue from his performance, and other damages.

2976
02:38:03,319 --> 02:38:12,680
Defenders contact was grossly intentional, negligent, reckless, willful, wanton, malicious, oppressive,

2977
02:38:13,440 --> 02:38:17,680
and or unmindful of their duty and obligations to plaintiffs,

2978
02:38:18,760 --> 02:38:24,280
and or exhibited that uh that entire, that entire want

2979
02:38:24,520 --> 02:38:28,760
want of care like lacking care. I see that entire

2980
02:38:28,879 --> 02:38:32,559
want of care, which would raise the presumption the presumption

2981
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:39,360
of conscious and indifference to consequences, so as to warrant

2982
02:38:39,440 --> 02:38:43,840
the imposition of punitive damages in an amount sufficient to punish,

2983
02:38:44,319 --> 02:38:48,879
penalized and or deter defendants from similar conduct in the future.

2984
02:38:52,559 --> 02:38:59,760
Count three unjust enrichment mister Udi adopts real legs and

2985
02:39:00,159 --> 02:39:03,680
prates hearing and above all references by reference all allegations

2986
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:07,079
containing paragraphs one through eighty five of the Amended Complaint

2987
02:39:07,479 --> 02:39:12,120
fully and completely as if set forth hearing. Defendants had

2988
02:39:12,120 --> 02:39:17,200
an insurance policy cover mister Uti upon information and belief.

2989
02:39:17,879 --> 02:39:20,959
This policy cover the full value of mister Utiy's agreement.

2990
02:39:23,440 --> 02:39:27,079
Defendants capitalize on the name made you're on severity of

2991
02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:31,000
mister Udie's injuries incurred as a result defenders misconduct and

2992
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:34,600
replayed the incident on live television repeatedly used it as

2993
02:39:34,639 --> 02:39:37,680
a focal point for the following shows by having mister

2994
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:42,079
Udie's physicians show X rays of mister Udie's leg, describing

2995
02:39:42,200 --> 02:39:45,159
the nature and extent of the injury and the surgery

2996
02:39:45,280 --> 02:39:49,120
necessary for such injury, and otherwise advertising promoting the injury.

2997
02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:55,479
The promotion resulted in higher ratings and income for defenise

2998
02:39:55,840 --> 02:39:59,040
defendants that retained the benefits of this incident, even though

2999
02:39:59,200 --> 02:40:02,719
defendants had cut mister Yute's pay and then terminated his

3000
02:40:02,840 --> 02:40:08,680
show shortly thereafter. Upon mister Ute's injury, which was caused

3001
02:40:08,680 --> 02:40:12,399
by the misconduct of defense, Defendants retained the proceeds of

3002
02:40:12,479 --> 02:40:17,799
the insurance policy and profited from the higher earning ratings

3003
02:40:18,200 --> 02:40:21,120
from the severity of mister Ute's injury, and we're thereby

3004
02:40:21,879 --> 02:40:28,799
unjust and riched. The ill gotten proceeds, including but not

3005
02:40:28,920 --> 02:40:32,680
limited to the insurance proceeds and the proceeds from the

3006
02:40:32,799 --> 02:40:39,120
raised ratings, should be disgorged and given. Mister Yudi. Yes,

3007
02:40:40,120 --> 02:40:45,520
countiforn neligence, Mister Udi adopts real legs and incorporates here

3008
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:51,520
in and above by reference all allegations contained in Paragraphs

3009
02:40:51,559 --> 02:40:56,600
one through ninety one of the amending complaint fully and completely,

3010
02:40:56,639 --> 02:41:04,000
as if set forth Herein's contractor employer performed league and

3011
02:41:04,360 --> 02:41:09,840
or as the prime beneficiary of mister Uty's labors. Defendants

3012
02:41:09,959 --> 02:41:15,360
owed duties to mister Uty. Defendse breeched their duty to

3013
02:41:15,959 --> 02:41:19,120
the mister Uti by insisting that he performed while he

3014
02:41:19,319 --> 02:41:22,920
was injured and performed moved from the top rope, which

3015
02:41:23,879 --> 02:41:29,520
resulted in serious and permanent damage to mister Uty. As

3016
02:41:29,520 --> 02:41:34,040
a result of definite misconduct, mister Uty has suffered damages,

3017
02:41:34,920 --> 02:41:37,479
including but not limited to the loss of his agreement

3018
02:41:38,319 --> 02:41:44,399
with definance, the loss of income associated with his performance,

3019
02:41:44,479 --> 02:41:48,799
the rest of the cabin the rest performance is the

3020
02:41:48,840 --> 02:41:53,040
loss of future revenue and from his performances and other damages.

3021
02:41:55,399 --> 02:42:04,040
Defendant conduct was grossly intentional, negligent, reckless, willful, wanton, malicious, oppressive,

3022
02:42:04,719 --> 02:42:11,239
and or unmindful of their duty and allegations to plaintiffs,

3023
02:42:11,399 --> 02:42:16,040
and or exhibited that entire want of care. Exhibited that

3024
02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:19,120
entire want of care which would raise the presumption of

3025
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:23,120
conscious indifference to consequences so as to warrant the imposition

3026
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:28,319
of punitive damages in an amount sufficient to punish, penalize,

3027
02:42:28,840 --> 02:42:32,079
and or detrue defendance from similar cons in the future.

3028
02:42:32,239 --> 02:42:36,559
Speaker 3: Whether the ww had, if nothing else, conscious indifference to consequences.

3029
02:42:36,360 --> 02:42:44,799
Speaker 4: Indeed, well, that makes sense obviously Count five. It is

3030
02:42:45,959 --> 02:42:51,200
an eligent infliction of emotional distress. Mister Udi adobts realegenes

3031
02:42:51,239 --> 02:42:56,040
incorporates herein above and by reference all allegations containing paragraphs

3032
02:42:56,079 --> 02:43:00,319
one through ninety six of the many complaints fully incompletely,

3033
02:43:00,680 --> 02:43:04,639
as if set forth arian By insisting that mister Udi

3034
02:43:04,719 --> 02:43:08,559
perform a wrestling move that required him to leave from

3035
02:43:08,600 --> 02:43:12,079
the top rope, mister Lawernitis forced mister Judi to suffer

3036
02:43:12,159 --> 02:43:16,799
a physical impact which resulted in a physical harm to

3037
02:43:16,920 --> 02:43:22,280
mister Udy, Mister Utie's physical injury has caused him into

3038
02:43:22,360 --> 02:43:27,959
much mental UH suffering and emotional distress, for which he

3039
02:43:28,079 --> 02:43:31,520
is entitled to recover in an amount to be determined

3040
02:43:32,559 --> 02:43:44,360
a trial. Defenders conduct was grossly intentional, negligent, reckless, willful, wanton, malicious, oppressive,

3041
02:43:45,799 --> 02:43:49,719
UH and or unmindful of their duty and obligations to plaintiffs,

3042
02:43:49,840 --> 02:43:55,719
and or exhibited that entire want of phraise the presumption,

3043
02:43:56,239 --> 02:44:01,600
raise the presumption of conscious indifference to consequce once so

3044
02:44:01,840 --> 02:44:06,399
as to warrant the UH imposition of punity of damages

3045
02:44:06,920 --> 02:44:11,559
an amount to an amount of sufficient to punish, penalize,

3046
02:44:11,879 --> 02:44:16,079
and in order to tur defendance from similar conducts conduct

3047
02:44:16,159 --> 02:44:26,440
in the future. Count six negligent retention. Mister Udy adopts

3048
02:44:26,479 --> 02:44:29,840
religions incorporates here and above all and by reference, all

3049
02:44:29,920 --> 02:44:33,120
allegations contained in paragraphs Once you one hundred of the

3050
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:36,159
many complaint fully and completely as if set forth here

3051
02:44:36,280 --> 02:44:43,000
in uw ct S I and TG no knew or

3052
02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:47,479
should have known of mister Lauria's propensity to engage in

3053
02:44:47,600 --> 02:44:50,399
the conduct for which mister from which resulted in mister

3054
02:44:50,520 --> 02:44:51,319
Utie's injury.

3055
02:44:51,479 --> 02:44:54,840
Speaker 3: They should have known that mister Laurenidis would insist on

3056
02:44:54,959 --> 02:44:55,600
him doing the move.

3057
02:44:58,479 --> 02:45:03,319
Speaker 4: Yeah. Course. The claim is that u w C, TSI

3058
02:45:03,399 --> 02:45:06,479
and TZ breached their duty to mister Udi by retaining

3059
02:45:06,520 --> 02:45:09,559
mister Laurinitis as an employee while knowing he had the

3060
02:45:09,639 --> 02:45:12,639
propensity to engage in the conduct which resulted in mister

3061
02:45:12,799 --> 02:45:19,479
Udie's injury. UWC, TSI and TG's breach caused damage to

3062
02:45:19,559 --> 02:45:24,040
mister Udi and amount to be determined a trial. UH

3063
02:45:24,200 --> 02:45:27,120
defend conduct was grossly intentional. That one.

3064
02:45:27,399 --> 02:45:31,399
Speaker 3: It's the same thing again about want of care, okay.

3065
02:45:32,680 --> 02:45:39,000
Speaker 4: Count seven tortious interference with contractual relations. Mister Udi adops

3066
02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:42,280
real edges incorporates here in above and all and by

3067
02:45:42,360 --> 02:45:45,360
reference all allegations contained in paragraphs one through one oh

3068
02:45:45,479 --> 02:45:49,079
five and the amended complaint fully and completely as have

3069
02:45:49,200 --> 02:45:52,520
set forth here in. Mister Udi and w CW had

3070
02:45:52,559 --> 02:45:56,760
a valid contract for wrestling services. Mister Laurenitis was not

3071
02:45:56,840 --> 02:45:59,719
a party to the contract between mister Udi and w

3072
02:45:59,840 --> 02:46:05,000
C don' Mister laurenaiis acted intentionally and without privilege or

3073
02:46:05,239 --> 02:46:10,959
justification when he when he induced mister Beauty to engage

3074
02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:14,520
in conduct resulting in his ability to continue business relations

3075
02:46:14,600 --> 02:46:21,920
with w c W. As a result of mister Laurenius's misconduct,

3076
02:46:22,520 --> 02:46:26,280
Mister uty sud subverb damages including but not limited to,

3077
02:46:26,360 --> 02:46:29,959
the loss of his agreement with the defense, the loss

3078
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:34,200
of becoming, a loss of income associated with his performance,

3079
02:46:34,840 --> 02:46:38,000
the loss of future revenue from his performances, and other damages.

3080
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:42,959
Speaker 3: And this is the want of care again counting. He

3081
02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:48,120
seeks attorney's fees, which is, you know, basic defenders have

3082
02:46:48,159 --> 02:46:51,159
acted in bad faith, been stubbornly litigious, and have caused

3083
02:46:51,239 --> 02:46:56,319
mister Beauty unnecessary trouble and expense. Oh my god, stubbornly litigious. Okay,

3084
02:46:56,559 --> 02:46:58,959
that's uh, that's a rich coming from sid.

3085
02:47:00,040 --> 02:47:00,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3086
02:47:00,280 --> 02:47:03,000
Speaker 3: Right now he gets sued. He doesn't sue as much,

3087
02:47:03,959 --> 02:47:07,360
so it requires reasonable attorney's fees and that the court

3088
02:47:07,399 --> 02:47:12,360
grant him judgment against defendants as follows process be issued

3089
02:47:12,399 --> 02:47:17,200
and served as provided by law. Okay, the court received

3090
02:47:17,280 --> 02:47:19,239
judgment in an amount to be determined at trial. So

3091
02:47:19,319 --> 02:47:21,000
he doesn't name how much he thinks he's entitled to.

3092
02:47:21,079 --> 02:47:23,520
He wants to lead right to a jury. He wants

3093
02:47:23,559 --> 02:47:25,360
a judgment in the amount to be determined a trial

3094
02:47:25,879 --> 02:47:29,079
by the finer. A fact against defendant jointly and severally

3095
02:47:29,159 --> 02:47:31,159
for general special Okay, this is all the stuff he's

3096
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:34,159
basically requiring to get paid for, in addition to whatever

3097
02:47:34,280 --> 02:47:37,479
judgment that he would get the cost associated with litigation

3098
02:47:37,559 --> 02:47:43,079
attorney's fees of course he once covered, and that there

3099
02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:46,959
be no limitation to the punitive damages or trouble damages

3100
02:47:47,000 --> 02:47:50,600
that he could be in receipt of, and that the

3101
02:47:50,680 --> 02:47:53,280
Court grants such other and further relief as it deems

3102
02:47:53,399 --> 02:47:57,639
just and proper respectfully submitted this fifth day of February

3103
02:47:57,680 --> 02:48:00,799
two thousand and three. So I guess he wasn't lying

3104
02:48:00,840 --> 02:48:01,360
when he said this.

3105
02:48:02,600 --> 02:48:05,120
Speaker 12: Was there ever any legal situation with w c W

3106
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:07,360
over them asking me to do a movie?

3107
02:48:07,399 --> 02:48:08,719
Speaker 4: We're comfortable with no.

3108
02:48:11,559 --> 02:48:16,719
Speaker 3: So those are the claims of one SID, all of

3109
02:48:16,799 --> 02:48:22,079
the the allegations there around breach of contract, around all

3110
02:48:22,120 --> 02:48:25,680
of this business about cutting his deal in half and

3111
02:48:25,959 --> 02:48:29,559
icing him. Yep uh, that's that's the ways in which

3112
02:48:30,159 --> 02:48:34,559
SID is aggrieved. And we're accustomed by this point to

3113
02:48:35,239 --> 02:48:39,760
to processing various grievances that SID may have it at

3114
02:48:39,760 --> 02:48:44,399
a given point in time. So we've got what was it,

3115
02:48:44,680 --> 02:48:48,040
breach of contract? It was a laundry list, but count

3116
02:48:48,079 --> 02:48:52,040
one breach of contract. He's claiming breach of fiduciary duty,

3117
02:48:52,319 --> 02:48:53,280
which is a money one.

3118
02:48:56,120 --> 02:48:56,399
Speaker 4: We have.

3119
02:48:58,360 --> 02:49:03,440
Speaker 3: Unjust and Richmond negligence, negligent and infliction of emotional distress,

3120
02:49:03,879 --> 02:49:08,559
negligent retention, tortious interference with contractual relation.

3121
02:49:08,840 --> 02:49:11,399
Speaker 4: Tortous interference is one of my favorite fucking it's one

3122
02:49:11,399 --> 02:49:13,479
of my favorite kinds things ever.

3123
02:49:13,639 --> 02:49:15,159
Speaker 3: One of my favorite kinds of interference.

3124
02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:19,120
Speaker 4: Really. Yes, absolutely outside of interference, we have torchus interference.

3125
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:21,840
Speaker 3: They should use it more in wrestling finishes. And he's

3126
02:49:21,840 --> 02:49:23,159
looking for attorney's fees as well.

3127
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:24,360
Speaker 4: So that's what you know.

3128
02:49:24,479 --> 02:49:27,879
Speaker 3: Sid is claiming in a court of law the ways

3129
02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:30,120
in which his rights have been violated as a result

3130
02:49:30,159 --> 02:49:32,280
of what happened at Sin and his leg break. So

3131
02:49:32,440 --> 02:49:35,719
now comes Universal Wrestling Corporation, that is to say, the

3132
02:49:35,799 --> 02:49:40,040
former World Championship Wrestling. They offer their defense in Fulton

3133
02:49:40,040 --> 02:49:43,399
County Court in Georgia, and they're going to go basically

3134
02:49:43,520 --> 02:49:47,319
line by line on the things cit Is alleged. God,

3135
02:49:47,639 --> 02:49:50,040
have we get a perspective of where the erstwhile World

3136
02:49:50,120 --> 02:49:53,200
Championship Wrestling is coming from again? Two years after shutting

3137
02:49:53,200 --> 02:49:56,360
its doors, they're still dealing with this. This is actually

3138
02:49:56,399 --> 02:49:59,280
stamped to April twenty oh two, so just about a

3139
02:49:59,360 --> 02:50:03,200
year after close using they're still dealing with cases like

3140
02:50:03,280 --> 02:50:06,840
this and Boss, I wish you could put your WCW

3141
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:10,719
lawyer hat on, get your nick Lambro swarmed up and

3142
02:50:10,840 --> 02:50:13,319
deliver us. The response of Universal Wrestling.

3143
02:50:12,959 --> 02:50:23,440
Speaker 4: Corporation Answer, Universal Wrestling Corporation, Turner Sports Incorporated, and Turner

3144
02:50:23,479 --> 02:50:30,280
Entertainment Group Incorporated. Yes, defendants, Universal Wrestling Corporation, UWC, Turner

3145
02:50:30,360 --> 02:50:35,079
Sports Incorporated, Turner Sports, and Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated, TEG

3146
02:50:35,440 --> 02:50:40,440
collect Louisa, referred to as defendants hereby answer Plaintiff's complaint

3147
02:50:40,520 --> 02:50:46,520
as follows. First, Defense Defendants respond to the individually numbered

3148
02:50:46,559 --> 02:50:52,879
paragraphs and plaintiffs complaint the complaint as follows. Defendants are

3149
02:50:52,920 --> 02:50:55,840
without knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief as

3150
02:50:55,879 --> 02:50:58,799
to the truth of the allegations contained in the first

3151
02:50:58,799 --> 02:51:02,799
sentence of paragraph one complaint. In response the allegations contained

3152
02:51:02,840 --> 02:51:05,120
in the second sentence of paragraph one of the complaints,

3153
02:51:06,200 --> 02:51:10,319
defendants admit that plaintiff had entered into contracts with defendant

3154
02:51:10,559 --> 02:51:16,079
Universal Wrestling Corporation formerly known as World Championship Wrestling Incorporated, WCW.

3155
02:51:16,600 --> 02:51:17,520
Now paragraph one.

3156
02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:21,760
Speaker 3: Of the complaints that they have insufficient information to form

3157
02:51:21,799 --> 02:51:25,639
a belief of You know what, Paragraph one says that

3158
02:51:25,760 --> 02:51:29,719
he lives in Arkansas. I'm sorry, we just we cannot

3159
02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:33,000
confirm that he ever resided in Arkansas. That is just

3160
02:51:33,079 --> 02:51:36,040
something that we don't have evidence of, Nor do we

3161
02:51:36,239 --> 02:51:38,600
desire evidence of that. Yeah, nor are we doing a

3162
02:51:38,639 --> 02:51:40,200
single thing to seek said evidence.

3163
02:51:40,559 --> 02:51:42,280
Speaker 4: You know, I don't need to know if he came

3164
02:51:42,319 --> 02:51:45,120
from Arkansas and already reside in Arkansas. What I need

3165
02:51:45,200 --> 02:51:49,879
to tell you is that we don't know, We cannot know.

3166
02:51:50,319 --> 02:51:54,879
We do not have sufficient information or evidence to form

3167
02:51:54,920 --> 02:51:57,559
a belief that he has ever resided in Arkansas.

3168
02:51:57,719 --> 02:52:01,159
Speaker 3: Your honor, I don't know, and I wouldn't want to

3169
02:52:01,200 --> 02:52:03,639
know as a wise man.

3170
02:52:04,760 --> 02:52:08,000
Speaker 4: Let me just say, your honor, we don't know if

3171
02:52:08,040 --> 02:52:10,840
it's if he's been telling the truth about Arkansas. So therefore,

3172
02:52:10,879 --> 02:52:12,440
how can we tell, well, how can we be sure

3173
02:52:12,440 --> 02:52:16,040
he's told the truth about anything? And with that, I

3174
02:52:16,200 --> 02:52:19,120
submit my motion to dismiss, and with that we rest

3175
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:25,799
our case. So yeah, that's that's where we're at. It's hilarious.

3176
02:52:25,840 --> 02:52:28,719
Speaker 3: So they're defending that he entered into contracts that's big

3177
02:52:28,799 --> 02:52:29,079
of them.

3178
02:52:29,760 --> 02:52:31,319
Speaker 4: We do. We do admit that you know he had

3179
02:52:31,440 --> 02:52:35,040
entered into contracts with defendant Universal Wrestling Corporation formerly known

3180
02:52:35,079 --> 02:52:39,159
as World Championship Wrestling Corporate at the WCW to perform

3181
02:52:39,440 --> 02:52:45,440
services as a professional wrestler. Defendants deny the remaining allegations

3182
02:52:45,479 --> 02:52:47,559
contained in the second sentence a paragraph one of the

3183
02:52:47,600 --> 02:52:54,159
complaints and response the allegation is contained in the first

3184
02:52:54,200 --> 02:52:57,799
sentence of paragraph two of the complaint. Defendants admit that

3185
02:52:57,920 --> 02:53:02,959
defendant Universal Wrestling Corporation is a Georgia corporation formerly known

3186
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:07,520
as World Championship Wrestling Corporated. Defendants admit the allegations contained

3187
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:10,840
to the third sentence paragraph two the complaint. Defendants deny

3188
02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:14,239
the allegations contained in the second and fourth sentences a

3189
02:53:14,280 --> 02:53:17,120
paragraph to the complaint, except that they admit that such

3190
02:53:17,200 --> 02:53:21,120
allegations purport to state that UWC is subject to the

3191
02:53:21,239 --> 02:53:26,799
jurisdiction of this Court in this action. Defendants admit the

3192
02:53:26,879 --> 02:53:29,280
allegations contained in the first sentence paragraph.

3193
02:53:28,959 --> 02:53:34,040
Speaker 3: Three goes on link jump up to twelve. Please to twelve, okay.

3194
02:53:36,559 --> 02:53:39,319
Speaker 4: In response to the allegations a paragraph twelve the complaint,

3195
02:53:39,360 --> 02:53:43,520
defendants admit that for a certain period prior to March

3196
02:53:43,559 --> 02:53:45,799
one in nine, two thousand and one, ww was engaged

3197
02:53:45,840 --> 02:53:46,920
in the business.

3198
02:53:48,520 --> 02:53:51,159
Speaker 3: This has to a lawyer was paid to write that sentence.

3199
02:53:51,239 --> 02:53:52,840
I want you to finish it and then read it again.

3200
02:53:52,879 --> 02:54:02,360
Speaker 4: Please, was engaged in the business of professional wrestling. In

3201
02:54:02,479 --> 02:54:05,479
response the allegation the paragraph twelve of the complaint, defendants

3202
02:54:05,559 --> 02:54:09,319
admit that for a certain period prior to March twenty nine,

3203
02:54:09,360 --> 02:54:12,760
two thousand and one, WCW was engaged in the business

3204
02:54:13,399 --> 02:54:14,360
a professional.

3205
02:54:13,959 --> 02:54:17,040
Speaker 3: Wrestling And just to further drive it home, jumped forward

3206
02:54:17,040 --> 02:54:18,760
too point twenty three, Please.

3207
02:54:20,280 --> 02:54:25,920
Speaker 4: For a period prior how about fucking thirty years prior

3208
02:54:26,840 --> 02:54:29,559
for thirty years for a certain period prior to March

3209
02:54:29,559 --> 02:54:33,280
twenty nine, two thousand and one. Believable? Twenty what now?

3210
02:54:33,559 --> 02:54:37,840
Twenty three? Twenty three. In response the allegations contained and

3211
02:54:37,959 --> 02:54:41,319
paragraph twenty three of the complaint, defendants admit that WCW did,

3212
02:54:42,040 --> 02:54:44,159
for a certain period prior to March twenty nine, two

3213
02:54:44,159 --> 02:54:46,719
thousand and one, promote and produce wrestling events. You've got

3214
02:54:46,840 --> 02:54:52,680
to be shitting me, including various times, weekly lab television

3215
02:54:52,719 --> 02:54:57,120
shows and weekly tape television shows. Period of time.

3216
02:54:57,200 --> 02:54:58,159
Speaker 3: Please this one's a little more.

3217
02:54:58,840 --> 02:55:02,319
Speaker 4: It goes on in time time. In response to the

3218
02:55:02,360 --> 02:55:05,840
allegations containing paragraph thirty one on the complaint, defendant state that,

3219
02:55:06,120 --> 02:55:10,440
at all times relevant to Plaintiff's complaint, w CW and

3220
02:55:10,559 --> 02:55:12,959
its employees abided by the written terms of the agreement

3221
02:55:13,159 --> 02:55:15,120
governing plaintiff's pay.

3222
02:55:15,520 --> 02:55:18,120
Speaker 3: They are saying, we, you know, we follow the letter

3223
02:55:18,200 --> 02:55:19,639
of the contract. And whatever it is we did with

3224
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:20,920
sidspe you.

3225
02:55:20,920 --> 02:55:22,879
Speaker 4: Know, we we all bid it. We you know, the

3226
02:55:22,920 --> 02:55:26,840
employees of WWT abided by the of the agreement in

3227
02:55:26,879 --> 02:55:31,040
governing plaintiffs pay. By way of further response, defendant state

3228
02:55:31,159 --> 02:55:34,000
that at all times relevant to Plaintiff's complaint, w CW

3229
02:55:34,159 --> 02:55:37,719
and its employees respected and abided by the work restrictions

3230
02:55:37,760 --> 02:55:41,239
and recovery requirements placed on plaintiffs by his medical doctors.

3231
02:55:42,040 --> 02:55:46,719
Except as specifically stated herein, Defendants are without knowledge or

3232
02:55:46,799 --> 02:55:49,799
information sufficient to formal belief as of the truth the

3233
02:55:49,879 --> 02:55:52,959
allegations contained and paragraph thirty one of the complaint, because

3234
02:55:53,360 --> 02:55:57,879
the allegations do not enter alia, refer to a specific

3235
02:55:57,959 --> 02:56:02,840
time period, nor do they refer to specific LEA number

3236
02:56:02,840 --> 02:56:03,520
forty say about that.

3237
02:56:04,959 --> 02:56:07,079
Speaker 3: I say, please jump to number forty two please as

3238
02:56:07,159 --> 02:56:09,840
you continue to pass on tremain points.

3239
02:56:11,280 --> 02:56:13,680
Speaker 4: And response to the allegations contain a paragraph forty two

3240
02:56:13,719 --> 02:56:16,760
of the complaint. Defendants admit the plane if performed at

3241
02:56:16,799 --> 02:56:19,239
the January fourteenth, two thousand and one pay per view

3242
02:56:19,360 --> 02:56:23,680
in Indianapolis. In response to the allegations regarding the content

3243
02:56:23,879 --> 02:56:26,959
of the script for the event, Defendants state that the

3244
02:56:27,000 --> 02:56:29,719
script is a written document that speaks for itself.

3245
02:56:31,520 --> 02:56:31,799
Speaker 3: As to.

3246
02:56:33,719 --> 02:56:37,719
Speaker 4: As the content and legal effect, and defendants deny any

3247
02:56:37,799 --> 02:56:42,440
allegations inconsistent with or contrary to the script, except the

3248
02:56:42,479 --> 02:56:46,159
specifically stated herein. Defendants deny the allegations contain a paragraph

3249
02:56:46,200 --> 02:56:48,959
to the complaint, plain.

3250
02:56:48,760 --> 02:56:51,920
Speaker 3: And simple, Absolutely, that's the way we roll. How about

3251
02:56:51,920 --> 02:56:55,040
forty seven as it regards playing the tape of the injury.

3252
02:56:55,799 --> 02:56:58,200
Speaker 4: And response to the allegations contained in the first sentence

3253
02:56:58,200 --> 02:57:00,719
of paragraph forty seven the complaint defend and state that

3254
02:57:00,840 --> 02:57:03,280
the tape of the live show is a recorded document

3255
02:57:03,360 --> 02:57:07,239
that speaks for itself as to content and legal effect,

3256
02:57:07,680 --> 02:57:10,559
and defenders deny any allegations inconsistent with or contrary to

3257
02:57:10,639 --> 02:57:14,440
that recording. Defendants deny the remaining allegations contained in paragraph

3258
02:57:14,479 --> 02:57:21,520
forty seven of the complaint. What say you judge a

3259
02:57:21,639 --> 02:57:22,399
country lawyar?

3260
02:57:23,879 --> 02:57:24,239
Speaker 8: What was that?

3261
02:57:24,520 --> 02:57:28,559
Speaker 3: A country lawyer? Sounds a lot like liar, doesn't it?

3262
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:32,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god?

3263
02:57:33,120 --> 02:57:35,840
Speaker 3: So they go point by point after everything Sid said,

3264
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:38,680
and you know, only grant things that are like dates

3265
02:57:38,920 --> 02:57:42,000
and everything else. They yeah, right right, deny de I deny.

3266
02:57:43,120 --> 02:57:45,680
Speaker 4: You know where were that? Knowledge? All right? Or information

3267
02:57:45,719 --> 02:57:48,399
is sufficient to form belief. One can just imagine, you know, well.

3268
02:57:48,319 --> 02:57:48,719
Speaker 8: Let me tell you.

3269
02:57:48,799 --> 02:57:52,399
Speaker 4: I'll just say this. You know, you know, your honor.

3270
02:57:52,520 --> 02:57:54,760
The thing about professional wrestling is you just don't know

3271
02:57:56,079 --> 02:57:58,680
all right. Now, listen, I've watched the shows. I've seen

3272
02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:02,280
a professional wrestling done in many different kinds of you know,

3273
02:58:02,360 --> 02:58:05,000
we just don't know, right, We don't know what is

3274
02:58:05,079 --> 02:58:07,879
real what is not real. We know that there are

3275
02:58:08,000 --> 02:58:11,159
scripts that determine the outcomes of the matches and that

3276
02:58:11,319 --> 02:58:14,239
kind of dictate certain events happening. But did Sid break

3277
02:58:14,360 --> 02:58:14,600
his leg?

3278
02:58:14,639 --> 02:58:15,200
Speaker 8: We do not know.

3279
02:58:17,479 --> 02:58:19,239
Speaker 3: He appeared to you know, your honor. But a lot

3280
02:58:19,280 --> 02:58:21,559
of things are what they appear in this world are professional.

3281
02:58:21,399 --> 02:58:23,559
Speaker 4: Now, I mean, we're listen, your honor. We live in

3282
02:58:23,639 --> 02:58:26,840
the age of computer generated imagery. Oh my god, he's

3283
02:58:26,879 --> 02:58:29,159
not going all right? And Look, I'm just saying, you know,

3284
02:58:30,040 --> 02:58:34,760
you know, we are without knowledge or or information sufficient

3285
02:58:34,840 --> 02:58:37,959
form of belief as to the truth of the breakage

3286
02:58:38,120 --> 02:58:45,120
of sid Uty's leg We don't know, we don't know.

3287
02:58:46,280 --> 02:58:50,399
Speaker 3: So ww Filesy's response going through each point they want

3288
02:58:50,479 --> 02:58:52,760
to make about what fact should be stipulated to. And

3289
02:58:52,879 --> 02:58:55,440
if you think sid Folks is going to go quietly

3290
02:58:55,520 --> 02:59:00,559
without denying these denials, then you haven't been paying very

3291
02:59:00,719 --> 02:59:02,920
close attention to this tribute.

3292
02:59:03,399 --> 02:59:05,799
Speaker 4: Oh I like this one number sixty five here though,

3293
02:59:05,840 --> 02:59:08,159
by the way, defense and now the allegations contained a

3294
02:59:08,200 --> 02:59:11,200
paragraph sixty five the complaint, except that they admit that

3295
02:59:11,479 --> 02:59:14,920
WCW sold certain of its assets the WWFE in mark

3296
02:59:14,959 --> 02:59:18,000
two thousand and one. We admit that.

3297
02:59:18,920 --> 02:59:20,840
Speaker 3: And look, and we're it's big of us to do that,

3298
02:59:21,079 --> 02:59:23,159
because we could drag this thing out all day on

3299
02:59:23,440 --> 02:59:24,719
the finer points of that statement.

3300
02:59:25,360 --> 02:59:27,360
Speaker 4: I don't mind going and listen, I go a word

3301
02:59:27,399 --> 02:59:31,479
by word deny the allegations contained in word one of

3302
02:59:31,559 --> 02:59:32,959
paragraph seventy two of the complaints.

3303
02:59:32,959 --> 02:59:35,799
Speaker 3: More than anything, we're interested in your honor, in efficient

3304
02:59:35,840 --> 02:59:38,760
administration of justice in this court and not doing anything

3305
02:59:38,799 --> 02:59:42,120
to impede the proper pace of progress for the docket.

3306
02:59:42,520 --> 02:59:44,680
And so we're not going to drill down and dig

3307
02:59:44,760 --> 02:59:47,200
our heels in on points like that, although we're well

3308
02:59:47,200 --> 02:59:48,440
with then our rights to do it, as I'm sure

3309
02:59:48,440 --> 02:59:51,680
your honor will appreciate, however, because we're just so interested

3310
02:59:51,760 --> 02:59:55,559
in justice being served here and vicious being served.

3311
02:59:55,280 --> 03:00:00,639
Speaker 4: Here and psycho being served. Yeah, I think you say

3312
03:00:00,680 --> 03:00:03,360
that again. So yes, this is and I just want

3313
03:00:03,360 --> 03:00:06,079
to say, also your in response the allegations contained in

3314
03:00:06,120 --> 03:00:09,399
paragraph nine, if I have defendants admit that plaintiff seeks

3315
03:00:09,440 --> 03:00:15,719
the damages, stated deny that they have engaged any wrongdoing,

3316
03:00:15,879 --> 03:00:19,559
of course, I mean, Jesus, we do. We admit he

3317
03:00:19,680 --> 03:00:23,799
is seeking damages, he is bringing up a lawsuit.

3318
03:00:24,040 --> 03:00:27,360
Speaker 3: We're not too We're not you know, too proud of

3319
03:00:27,440 --> 03:00:30,440
ourselves to admit that. I that if they just said,

3320
03:00:30,520 --> 03:00:34,520
like like a like a number sixty eight defendant admits wrongdoing,

3321
03:00:36,200 --> 03:00:38,200
just put it in there since anyone noticed.

3322
03:00:41,360 --> 03:00:41,600
Speaker 2: Of you.

3323
03:00:41,799 --> 03:00:49,840
Speaker 4: First, we admit breach a contracts, but we deny that

3324
03:00:49,920 --> 03:00:54,040
the breach of contract had any sufficient evidence and information

3325
03:00:54,239 --> 03:00:59,399
that provide possible, you know, said breach is a proper

3326
03:00:59,600 --> 03:01:03,200
propriet what in your honor?

3327
03:01:05,479 --> 03:01:07,479
Speaker 3: It may surprise you to learn that the defense is

3328
03:01:07,559 --> 03:01:10,000
not interested in contesting the claims of mister Udy, that,

3329
03:01:10,520 --> 03:01:12,959
in fact, it was written into the script that he

3330
03:01:13,040 --> 03:01:15,319
take off that metal rope, and that he did, and

3331
03:01:15,440 --> 03:01:16,959
that he was you know, ordered to do it over

3332
03:01:17,000 --> 03:01:19,479
and above his his objections. We're not We're not going

3333
03:01:19,559 --> 03:01:21,360
to dispute that. We will admit that as a fact,

3334
03:01:21,440 --> 03:01:24,479
that he was pushed and pressured into doing it. I

3335
03:01:24,520 --> 03:01:28,680
guess the question, then, your honor becomes, so what right

3336
03:01:28,879 --> 03:01:31,840
what of it as it regards our case?

3337
03:01:32,440 --> 03:01:36,360
Speaker 4: You know, we you know, we we deny the allegations

3338
03:01:37,000 --> 03:01:39,319
contained in the paragraphs such and such, But I do

3339
03:01:39,399 --> 03:01:42,000
want to say we do admit that, said you, he

3340
03:01:42,079 --> 03:01:44,959
volunteered to break his own leg I ask you, and

3341
03:01:45,000 --> 03:01:45,319
I asked you.

3342
03:01:45,360 --> 03:01:47,159
Speaker 3: I put it that way, your honor, after just saying

3343
03:01:47,200 --> 03:01:50,239
that we pressured him to do it, so to have

3344
03:01:50,360 --> 03:01:51,879
you consider, I think what will come to be the

3345
03:01:51,920 --> 03:01:54,680
most important question in this case. In a world where

3346
03:01:54,719 --> 03:01:58,479
nothing is real, what is the difference between us forcing

3347
03:01:58,559 --> 03:02:00,719
him to do it and him unteering to do it?

3348
03:02:02,280 --> 03:02:05,079
Speaker 4: In a world where nothing is real? Can we determine

3349
03:02:05,079 --> 03:02:06,120
what is fake? Right?

3350
03:02:07,079 --> 03:02:23,159
Speaker 1: The Lawn Wrestling Podcast, The wrestling podcast that knows the

3351
03:02:23,239 --> 03:02:24,479
boys need their candy.

3352
03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:41,959
Speaker 2: It's the lapsed fan. He's the lapsed Fan.

3353
03:02:42,040 --> 03:02:46,280
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and JP Soro.

3354
03:02:46,879 --> 03:02:48,799
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard the Toronto cell Your honor?

3355
03:02:51,239 --> 03:02:51,360
Speaker 8: Now?

3356
03:02:51,440 --> 03:02:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's on the floors late snapped and half yes, yes, yes,

3357
03:02:54,399 --> 03:02:55,959
yes I have And I'm going to put you in

3358
03:02:56,079 --> 03:02:59,639
one in a second. That was good.

3359
03:03:01,559 --> 03:03:03,479
Speaker 3: And sure his leg appears to be dangling there on

3360
03:03:03,559 --> 03:03:07,920
the canvas, But these guys are especially good at making

3361
03:03:07,959 --> 03:03:11,040
you believe that they're really hurt, you know.

3362
03:03:11,200 --> 03:03:13,200
Speaker 4: I mean I could come in here and tell you

3363
03:03:13,280 --> 03:03:16,239
that I've broken my arm and that I've been stabbed

3364
03:03:16,319 --> 03:03:18,479
five times, and you know what, chances are you wouldn't

3365
03:03:18,479 --> 03:03:19,840
believe it. But if Sid came in here and told

3366
03:03:19,879 --> 03:03:24,040
you the same thing, I think you would. I think

3367
03:03:24,120 --> 03:03:27,319
you would believe it. Whether or not it happened, is imitated.

3368
03:03:27,360 --> 03:03:29,040
Speaker 3: So I guess the most important point is when Sid

3369
03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:32,799
wants to claim unjustin Richmond because World Champed Wrestling was

3370
03:03:33,159 --> 03:03:37,239
capitalizing from a ratings perspective by showing the recorded videotape

3371
03:03:37,239 --> 03:03:39,239
of him snapping his leg in half. You have to

3372
03:03:39,280 --> 03:03:41,920
put yourself your honor, I would suggest, in the seat

3373
03:03:41,959 --> 03:03:46,479
of the wrestling fan, the consumer that allegedly is enriching

3374
03:03:46,479 --> 03:03:49,920
World Championship Wrestling by viewing this tape the night after

3375
03:03:50,040 --> 03:03:53,079
the injury, and ask yourself, what is there a chance

3376
03:03:53,120 --> 03:03:54,959
in hell, your honor, part of my language, that that

3377
03:03:55,079 --> 03:03:56,280
fan thinks that injury is real.

3378
03:03:58,520 --> 03:04:00,280
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I'm just going to say this right

3379
03:04:00,280 --> 03:04:04,879
and you know, your honor, we have we have seen

3380
03:04:05,079 --> 03:04:07,840
a multitude of different, you know, different sort of wrestling

3381
03:04:07,840 --> 03:04:10,000
events over the years, you know, especially in the last

3382
03:04:10,799 --> 03:04:13,360
I'm going to say five, five to ten years. You know,

3383
03:04:13,440 --> 03:04:15,680
we've seen an increase of violence in the in the

3384
03:04:16,399 --> 03:04:19,520
in the entertainment world of professional wrestling. And I'm just

3385
03:04:19,600 --> 03:04:22,879
going to say, you know, you got guys who jump

3386
03:04:22,920 --> 03:04:27,399
off twenty foot high cages and go through table. Have

3387
03:04:27,440 --> 03:04:30,319
you seen that clip before? You've seen that footage that man,

3388
03:04:30,680 --> 03:04:32,760
that ugly man with the mask and he's wearing the

3389
03:04:32,840 --> 03:04:33,639
shirt and he gets.

3390
03:04:33,520 --> 03:04:38,799
Speaker 3: Tossed off the case counselor and he's wearing a shoe, and.

3391
03:04:38,959 --> 03:04:41,479
Speaker 4: You know what, he didn't break a bone in his body.

3392
03:04:42,200 --> 03:04:44,280
Now you're going to tell me that a man who

3393
03:04:44,440 --> 03:04:48,399
was tossed twenty feet down and didn't break a bone

3394
03:04:48,440 --> 03:04:51,200
in his body, and then you have Sid who's jumping

3395
03:04:51,239 --> 03:04:54,360
two feet off the ground and he breaks his leg.

3396
03:04:55,360 --> 03:04:58,200
Speaker 3: Come on, I respectfully submit, I mean, your honor.

3397
03:04:58,399 --> 03:05:00,760
Speaker 4: They know how to fall. I mean, let me tell you,

3398
03:05:01,600 --> 03:05:03,079
I know for a fact, and I've been that. They

3399
03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:06,239
learn how to fall right. They are trained to fall

3400
03:05:06,399 --> 03:05:07,600
right up the road here in Smyrna.

3401
03:05:08,000 --> 03:05:10,520
Speaker 3: They got a big old power plant facility they call it,

3402
03:05:11,000 --> 03:05:13,959
and those guys go in there and they train to

3403
03:05:14,079 --> 03:05:14,879
pretend to get hurt.

3404
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:24,040
Speaker 4: It's right. So I ask you, your honor, what is believability?

3405
03:05:26,239 --> 03:05:32,360
What is truth? Right? What is honor? And what the

3406
03:05:32,440 --> 03:05:33,319
fuck are we doing here?

3407
03:05:34,879 --> 03:05:37,159
Speaker 3: He's playing into the judge and not wanting to deal

3408
03:05:37,239 --> 03:05:41,879
with wrestling. I believe he said, among other things. I

3409
03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:44,000
believe he said, and correct me if I'm wrong, Boss

3410
03:05:44,879 --> 03:05:47,719
to the judge in this case, what is honor?

3411
03:05:50,920 --> 03:05:51,680
Speaker 4: I mean, isn't that?

3412
03:05:52,879 --> 03:05:55,840
Speaker 3: Isn't that where this all starts litigating Sid's injury?

3413
03:05:57,000 --> 03:05:57,159
Speaker 8: Yes?

3414
03:05:57,319 --> 03:05:59,520
Speaker 4: It does. What is honor right?

3415
03:06:00,159 --> 03:06:04,319
Speaker 3: We can agree on that. We're getting nowhere. So again,

3416
03:06:04,559 --> 03:06:06,159
if you don't think Sid's going to come back on

3417
03:06:06,200 --> 03:06:08,239
those point for points with his own point for points,

3418
03:06:08,280 --> 03:06:10,680
you have n't been paying attention exactly. I'll ask you

3419
03:06:10,760 --> 03:06:13,040
to pull up the twenty oh two document that ends

3420
03:06:13,079 --> 03:06:16,159
in response. So what this is, yes, is Sid coming

3421
03:06:16,239 --> 03:06:21,239
back and responding to every single denial the w cd

3422
03:06:21,399 --> 03:06:22,959
we made about the many claims he laid out in

3423
03:06:23,040 --> 03:06:23,920
his initial complaint.

3424
03:06:27,600 --> 03:06:33,639
Speaker 4: Comes now, okay, comes now playing if Sydney Rudy here

3425
03:06:33,719 --> 03:06:38,159
after mister g or plaintiff and Files' response to defending

3426
03:06:38,239 --> 03:06:43,600
statement of the theories of recovery? What is a fucking college.

3427
03:06:43,280 --> 03:06:45,840
Speaker 3: Class that had been a good name for him in

3428
03:06:45,879 --> 03:06:48,239
Spivey's tag team theories of recovery.

3429
03:06:51,040 --> 03:06:56,520
Speaker 4: And the unispeeded material facts showing the course follows theories

3430
03:06:56,559 --> 03:07:00,799
of recovery. Plaineiffs preacher contract claims fail as a matter

3431
03:07:00,879 --> 03:07:05,159
of law because WCW's termination of the independent contractor agreement

3432
03:07:05,239 --> 03:07:10,319
the quote agreement complied with the clear, unambiguous terms of

3433
03:07:10,360 --> 03:07:10,879
the agreement.

3434
03:07:10,959 --> 03:07:14,799
Speaker 3: That is a said characterizing WCW's claimed that they were legit.

3435
03:07:14,920 --> 03:07:16,639
So each one of these is going to start with

3436
03:07:16,719 --> 03:07:21,120
him repeating what WCW is claiming and then adding his response,

3437
03:07:21,200 --> 03:07:26,360
which is yes, you can tell when Sid's response starts

3438
03:07:26,399 --> 03:07:27,559
when you're heard the word denied.

3439
03:07:27,840 --> 03:07:31,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, exactly defend his contact rendered mister Yudie's performance

3440
03:07:31,959 --> 03:07:36,200
of his contractual obligations impossible. Plaint's breach of contract claims

3441
03:07:36,280 --> 03:07:39,760
fail as a matter of law because each of WCW's

3442
03:07:39,799 --> 03:07:44,319
reductions of planets pay complied with the clear on ambiguous

3443
03:07:44,479 --> 03:07:49,879
terms of the agreement. Denied yes defendant his conduct rendered

3444
03:07:50,079 --> 03:07:53,399
mister Yudie's performance of his contractual obligations impossible.

3445
03:07:53,479 --> 03:07:58,840
Speaker 3: You made it impossible for me to perform my contractual obligations.

3446
03:07:58,920 --> 03:08:02,479
Speaker 4: That's what he is saying. Here's the thing. You want

3447
03:08:02,520 --> 03:08:05,360
me to be obligated. I don't accept obligation, but I'll

3448
03:08:05,399 --> 03:08:07,559
tell you what you denied me obligation.

3449
03:08:09,680 --> 03:08:12,639
Speaker 3: How can I perform these obligations if you make performing.

3450
03:08:12,280 --> 03:08:15,639
Speaker 4: The denied me obligatory duties.

3451
03:08:17,280 --> 03:08:23,120
Speaker 3: You denied obligation, denied me the ability to oblige.

3452
03:08:24,520 --> 03:08:28,440
Speaker 4: You denied me the ability to oblige or to not oblige.

3453
03:08:29,959 --> 03:08:33,040
Plaine's breach of contract fails as a matter of law

3454
03:08:33,079 --> 03:08:37,440
because WSW complied with the clear on ambiguous terms of

3455
03:08:37,520 --> 03:08:42,079
the agreement outlining its obligations to pay plaintiff for pay

3456
03:08:42,399 --> 03:08:49,399
per view advance. Denied defenders contract rendered mister Yudi's performance

3457
03:08:49,440 --> 03:08:52,159
of his contractual obligations impossible.

3458
03:08:52,200 --> 03:08:54,959
Speaker 3: I'm smelling a denied T shirt in the cy.

3459
03:08:55,360 --> 03:09:01,600
Speaker 4: You think so. Plaine's breach of contract claims fail as

3460
03:09:01,639 --> 03:09:04,040
a matter of law because the terms the agreement could

3461
03:09:04,079 --> 03:09:09,840
not orally be amended denied. The agreement was not required

3462
03:09:09,879 --> 03:09:13,159
to be amended. It's specifically provided for further pay per

3463
03:09:13,239 --> 03:09:14,959
views BIS language.

3464
03:09:15,239 --> 03:09:19,879
Speaker 3: So he's saying, I don't know what he's saying. It

3465
03:09:19,920 --> 03:09:22,159
doesn't matter that Russo and Bischoff verbal. He told him

3466
03:09:22,200 --> 03:09:23,600
we'll pay you for a pay per view. You don't

3467
03:09:23,639 --> 03:09:26,639
have to work because the contract laid out consideration for

3468
03:09:26,760 --> 03:09:28,840
what happened if they were to add a pay per

3469
03:09:28,920 --> 03:09:31,680
view to the talents and the minimum guarantee.

3470
03:09:33,319 --> 03:09:38,559
Speaker 4: Plainiffs claims for breach of figuciary duty, unjust enrichment, negligence,

3471
03:09:39,079 --> 03:09:45,120
negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligent retention, and tortious interference

3472
03:09:45,159 --> 03:09:48,879
with contractual relations fail as a matter of law because

3473
03:09:48,920 --> 03:09:53,520
the plantif agreed to accept workers' compensation coverage as his

3474
03:09:53,719 --> 03:09:58,959
sole and exclusive remedy against WCW, including its affiliates, employees,

3475
03:09:59,040 --> 03:10:03,680
and agents, and for any and all injuries sustained during

3476
03:10:03,760 --> 03:10:04,760
the term of the green.

3477
03:10:04,799 --> 03:10:10,239
Speaker 3: Is failure to agree to accept workers Okay, so they're saying,

3478
03:10:11,920 --> 03:10:15,399
if you get workers comp you agree in exchange that

3479
03:10:15,639 --> 03:10:18,079
that is all you can seek from us. If you

3480
03:10:18,159 --> 03:10:21,159
get injured on the job, you can't then sue us

3481
03:10:21,319 --> 03:10:24,440
for more money stemming from that injury. That's what they're

3482
03:10:24,440 --> 03:10:26,840
trying to say. And I wonder if SID would agree

3483
03:10:26,840 --> 03:10:27,000
with that.

3484
03:10:27,120 --> 03:10:34,719
Speaker 4: Boss did not. Misteries claims fall with an exception community

3485
03:10:34,920 --> 03:10:36,239
under the gw c A.

3486
03:10:36,680 --> 03:10:40,040
Speaker 3: W c A is the Georgia Workers Compensation Association, which

3487
03:10:40,120 --> 03:10:42,079
is now not a union of professional wrestlers.

3488
03:10:42,520 --> 03:10:45,360
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, listen, I mean the fact that it's

3489
03:10:45,360 --> 03:10:49,360
called the Workers comp Okay, oh my god, amazing. I mean,

3490
03:10:49,479 --> 03:10:50,000
for what it's worth.

3491
03:10:51,840 --> 03:10:55,280
Speaker 3: G w c A is also Georgia Wrestling Coaches Association.

3492
03:10:57,200 --> 03:10:59,920
Speaker 4: That's no coincidence, as it also could be the Joy

3493
03:11:00,120 --> 03:11:05,840
Your Wrestling Championships as well. I guess that'd be the

3494
03:11:05,879 --> 03:11:10,239
governing board of Georgia Championship Wrestling Georgia Wrestling Championship Asociations.

3495
03:11:10,280 --> 03:11:12,799
Speaker 3: But what he's saying is that there's an exception under

3496
03:11:12,799 --> 03:11:17,159
the state law that governs governs workers Camp that allows

3497
03:11:17,280 --> 03:11:20,639
him to sue for more money even if that clause exists.

3498
03:11:20,319 --> 03:11:23,079
Speaker 4: Is to be sick. I can sue if I want to.

3499
03:11:25,079 --> 03:11:30,399
I will take your fucking money because I am it.

3500
03:11:33,200 --> 03:11:36,159
Speaker 3: The g w c A sid's favorite law.

3501
03:11:43,319 --> 03:11:45,799
Speaker 4: Another word something right now, you look at me dead

3502
03:11:45,799 --> 03:11:48,200
in the eye. I going to you some real simple

3503
03:11:50,159 --> 03:11:55,520
you'll fuck with me? You you'll fuck with the gw.

3504
03:11:55,319 --> 03:11:55,600
Speaker 8: C A.

3505
03:11:58,559 --> 03:11:59,280
Speaker 4: Sid's promotion.

3506
03:11:59,479 --> 03:12:01,000
Speaker 3: The gw that's money.

3507
03:12:01,639 --> 03:12:02,639
Speaker 4: People have no idea.

3508
03:12:04,559 --> 03:12:08,120
Speaker 3: And he's saying that there's you know that an employer.

3509
03:12:08,719 --> 03:12:11,239
You know they can claim immunity under workers comp per

3510
03:12:11,360 --> 03:12:13,479
the state law, but there are exceptions to that immunity,

3511
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:16,319
and that what happened to him falls under one of

3512
03:12:16,360 --> 03:12:19,440
those exceptions. So WCW can't cite immunity under the state

3513
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:20,239
law to further.

3514
03:12:23,319 --> 03:12:27,000
Speaker 4: Playing claim for breach of fijiercia duty. That's how we'd

3515
03:12:27,040 --> 03:12:27,280
say it.

3516
03:12:27,360 --> 03:12:28,319
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to correct you.

3517
03:12:31,719 --> 03:12:37,280
Speaker 4: Unjustin Richmond, negligence, negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligy, retention

3518
03:12:37,719 --> 03:12:42,159
and tortures interference with contractual relations are barred by statutory

3519
03:12:42,280 --> 03:12:49,159
provisions of the Georgia Workers' Compensation Act. Denied. What do

3520
03:12:49,239 --> 03:12:52,559
you know, take another shot? If you're playing along at home,

3521
03:12:54,440 --> 03:12:58,399
mister yes, claims fault within an exception to immunity under

3522
03:12:58,600 --> 03:13:05,479
w E G W G or GCA. Plaintiff's claim for

3523
03:13:05,639 --> 03:13:08,520
unjust in Richmond fails as a matter of law because

3524
03:13:08,559 --> 03:13:13,399
a valid contract existed between plaintiff and WCW denied.

3525
03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:17,680
Speaker 3: Do you think he agrees that a valid contract existed

3526
03:13:17,719 --> 03:13:20,680
between plaintiff and WCW. If I know, Sid, that is

3527
03:13:20,760 --> 03:13:21,680
a non starter.

3528
03:13:22,479 --> 03:13:26,200
Speaker 4: Now, I don't mind telling you something right now. Then

3529
03:13:26,239 --> 03:13:31,520
when it comes to valid contractual obligations, SID is not

3530
03:13:32,079 --> 03:13:42,959
obligated to abide. I guess he's not. The dude. Defense

3531
03:13:43,000 --> 03:13:47,399
were unjustly enriched by continuous television replay of mister Yudi's

3532
03:13:47,440 --> 03:13:54,559
injury denied. Plainiff claim for unjust in Richmond fails as

3533
03:13:54,600 --> 03:13:58,280
a matter of law because the undisputed facts show that

3534
03:13:58,440 --> 03:14:01,200
defendants were not und just The and rich as a

3535
03:14:01,239 --> 03:14:08,719
result of plaintiff's injury denied defendants were unjustly enriched by

3536
03:14:08,840 --> 03:14:13,520
continuous television replays of mister UD's injury and use of

3537
03:14:13,719 --> 03:14:18,040
the leg breaker storyline. The leg breaker storyline, Yes, indeed,

3538
03:14:18,280 --> 03:14:22,680
whoa brother? What here was leg breaker? What's going on? Dude?

3539
03:14:22,799 --> 03:14:26,280
They would go on take breaker claim breaking? You're breaking

3540
03:14:26,360 --> 03:14:33,040
Hulk Hogan's leg. No, I got leg drop, dude, whose

3541
03:14:33,120 --> 03:14:34,319
leg matters more?

3542
03:14:34,399 --> 03:14:36,440
Speaker 3: I'm a little sick of people twisting my leg At

3543
03:14:36,440 --> 03:14:37,760
this point, brother, I might as well broke.

3544
03:14:37,840 --> 03:14:42,319
Speaker 4: I'm probably understanding exactly why I'm getting sued, right, that's

3545
03:14:42,360 --> 03:14:46,479
a great question. Why am I getting sued by Sid? Brother?

3546
03:14:46,680 --> 03:14:50,040
Speaker 3: If you're curious, the leg breaker storyline was basically they

3547
03:14:50,079 --> 03:14:52,399
did this like really ham fisted thing where Scott Steiner

3548
03:14:52,479 --> 03:14:55,479
after Sinn would claim that somehow he was responsible for

3549
03:14:55,559 --> 03:14:59,440
breaking Sid's leg in the match, which is hilarious because

3550
03:14:59,440 --> 03:14:59,879
it doesn't do.

3551
03:15:00,040 --> 03:15:02,879
Speaker 4: When he fucking like uh uh, get it all, like

3552
03:15:03,000 --> 03:15:04,760
ready to go, and then he jumped.

3553
03:15:04,879 --> 03:15:08,120
Speaker 3: Right, I guess somehow when Sid kicked him, the power

3554
03:15:08,159 --> 03:15:10,959
of Scott Steiner exploded on his leg and shattered his bones.

3555
03:15:10,959 --> 03:15:18,280
Speaker 4: I don't know. Ridiculous plainest claims for breach of fiduciary duty, negligence,

3556
03:15:18,520 --> 03:15:23,840
negligien and fiction of emotional distress, negligent retention, tortures, interference

3557
03:15:23,879 --> 03:15:27,319
with contractual relations all fail as a matter of law

3558
03:15:27,399 --> 03:15:31,440
because they are precluded by a doctrine of assumption of risk.

3559
03:15:31,680 --> 03:15:32,840
Speaker 3: Can we try something, bosses?

3560
03:15:32,840 --> 03:15:33,719
Speaker 4: We go through this? When? When?

3561
03:15:34,079 --> 03:15:36,799
Speaker 3: When you read the part where SID is characterizing w

3562
03:15:36,959 --> 03:15:40,639
CW's position on the matter. Yes, this is a challenge.

3563
03:15:40,639 --> 03:15:42,239
I don't think I've ever asked you to do this before.

3564
03:15:42,959 --> 03:15:47,479
Can you do SID making fun of w CW's lawyer.

3565
03:15:47,399 --> 03:15:50,399
Speaker 4: In that god like you know?

3566
03:15:51,040 --> 03:15:54,200
Speaker 3: And then the denied is in Sid's voice, So people

3567
03:15:54,239 --> 03:15:55,760
can more clearly delineate at home.

3568
03:15:56,079 --> 03:15:59,159
Speaker 13: All right, let me do plain is claim for breach

3569
03:15:59,239 --> 03:16:04,159
of fiduciary deity, negligence, negligent and infliction of emotional distress,

3570
03:16:04,600 --> 03:16:10,200
negligent retention, tortures, interference with contractual relations all fail as

3571
03:16:10,239 --> 03:16:12,920
a matter of law because they're precluded by the doctrine

3572
03:16:12,920 --> 03:16:14,040
of the assumption of risk.

3573
03:16:15,680 --> 03:16:20,000
Speaker 4: Did not Yes, mister Uty's claims are not subject to

3574
03:16:20,000 --> 03:16:25,959
the assumption of risk doctrine d towsw's will for action. Wow. Moreover,

3575
03:16:26,319 --> 03:16:29,440
mister Uti did not assume that his leg would be

3576
03:16:29,559 --> 03:16:35,600
broken in half destructions of defendants. Can I ask you

3577
03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:40,399
to read that again? Please? Yes? Indeed, moreover, mister Uty

3578
03:16:40,520 --> 03:16:43,440
did not assume that his leg would be broken in

3579
03:16:43,559 --> 03:16:46,520
half as a result of the instructions by defendants.

3580
03:16:46,879 --> 03:16:52,479
Speaker 3: So like, don't come in, don't come and claim that

3581
03:16:53,200 --> 03:16:55,719
the doctrine of assumption of risk that's contained in the

3582
03:16:55,799 --> 03:16:57,799
document in the law covers this.

3583
03:16:58,040 --> 03:17:00,840
Speaker 6: Because now I don't know which doctrine you're talking about.

3584
03:17:01,120 --> 03:17:03,079
But I talk to doctor Drews.

3585
03:17:03,920 --> 03:17:05,879
Speaker 3: I know I assume risk when I go out there

3586
03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:07,840
every night. I know I assume risk, and I know

3587
03:17:07,920 --> 03:17:10,520
the contract says I assume risk. But I ask you, this,

3588
03:17:11,200 --> 03:17:14,239
does the risk conclude snapping my leg in half?

3589
03:17:16,520 --> 03:17:21,200
Speaker 4: I assume risk. I assume all sorts of things when

3590
03:17:21,200 --> 03:17:23,319
I go out there in the ring, But I do

3591
03:17:23,520 --> 03:17:25,879
not assume to know the future.

3592
03:17:26,159 --> 03:17:30,840
Speaker 3: Right, And that's what you're claiming that that's among the

3593
03:17:30,920 --> 03:17:31,719
risks I assume.

3594
03:17:32,920 --> 03:17:36,520
Speaker 4: So I do not assume that I will come back dead.

3595
03:17:39,719 --> 03:17:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's now we're falling into the own heart lawsuit territory.

3596
03:17:42,959 --> 03:17:47,840
Speaker 4: Unable to contribute and support my family right, unable to

3597
03:17:48,000 --> 03:17:51,920
go to sporting events in order to talk down to

3598
03:17:52,000 --> 03:17:57,040
my dumb ass son. What do you think I assume?

3599
03:17:58,520 --> 03:18:00,360
Speaker 3: Do you think I Do you think I assume the

3600
03:18:00,440 --> 03:18:02,120
risk of a garage full of viennas?

3601
03:18:03,920 --> 03:18:07,959
Speaker 4: You think I go home assuming that Frank hasn't delivered

3602
03:18:08,000 --> 03:18:11,239
the venus to the cathedral, He.

3603
03:18:11,319 --> 03:18:14,559
Speaker 11: Said, my church to Casey Vienna sausages and I sent

3604
03:18:14,639 --> 03:18:17,520
him an autograph picture picture.

3605
03:18:18,760 --> 03:18:21,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, someone was very e T C H E R.

3606
03:18:21,719 --> 03:18:23,920
Speaker 3: Somebody pointing that out on Patreon, and it's very clear,

3607
03:18:24,600 --> 03:18:27,639
it's very keen of an observation. I'll tell you what

3608
03:18:27,719 --> 03:18:30,799
I'll I'll jump in here as i'll read ww's position

3609
03:18:30,959 --> 03:18:33,479
could be funny, I have said response to a different voice,

3610
03:18:34,520 --> 03:18:37,360
all right, number ten here. Plaintiff's claim for breach of

3611
03:18:37,479 --> 03:18:40,799
fiduciary duty fails as a matter of law because the

3612
03:18:40,920 --> 03:18:45,799
record is undisputed that no fiduciary relationship existed between plaintiff

3613
03:18:45,840 --> 03:18:46,719
and any defendant.

3614
03:18:48,879 --> 03:18:56,920
Speaker 10: Good a confidential relationship existed between WCW and mister duty,

3615
03:18:57,120 --> 03:19:01,559
and therefore w CW oed mystery fier duties.

3616
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:05,920
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claims for negligence fails as a matter of law

3617
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:08,879
because none of the defendants owed any legal duty to

3618
03:19:08,959 --> 03:19:10,040
the plaintiff.

3619
03:19:11,600 --> 03:19:17,239
Speaker 4: Dend w c W had a legal duty to maintain

3620
03:19:17,280 --> 03:19:18,719
a safe work environment.

3621
03:19:19,159 --> 03:19:22,639
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claims for negligence fails as a matter of law

3622
03:19:22,680 --> 03:19:26,879
because plaintiff cannot establish that any defendant breached any duty

3623
03:19:27,120 --> 03:19:30,280
owed to plaintiff, or that any alleged breach by any

3624
03:19:30,319 --> 03:19:34,520
defendant proximately caused plaintiff's injury denied.

3625
03:19:35,799 --> 03:19:38,360
Speaker 4: W c W had a legal duty to maintain a

3626
03:19:38,520 --> 03:19:42,600
safe work environment, and a breach of this duty caused

3627
03:19:42,879 --> 03:19:44,680
mister beauty damage.

3628
03:19:45,959 --> 03:19:49,760
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claim for negligent infliction of emotional distress fails as

3629
03:19:49,840 --> 03:19:53,120
a matter of law because Plaintiff's injuries were not caused

3630
03:19:53,239 --> 03:19:55,559
by a negligent act of any defendant.

3631
03:19:56,680 --> 03:20:01,239
Speaker 4: Denied, Mister Ute's injury was caused b the negligent acts

3632
03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:03,399
of w CW's agents.

3633
03:20:05,239 --> 03:20:08,280
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claim for negligent retention fails as a matter of

3634
03:20:08,360 --> 03:20:11,639
law because defendant Laurionitis had no propensity to engage in

3635
03:20:11,799 --> 03:20:13,799
dangerous or tortious conduct.

3636
03:20:16,040 --> 03:20:16,520
Speaker 11: To god.

3637
03:20:16,959 --> 03:20:19,959
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's claim for negligent retention fails as a matter of

3638
03:20:20,040 --> 03:20:24,920
law because neither WCWTSI nor teg knew that defendant Laurionitis

3639
03:20:24,920 --> 03:20:30,559
had any alleged dangerous propensity. Plaintiff's claims for tortious interference

3640
03:20:30,600 --> 03:20:33,840
with contractual relations fails as a matter of law because

3641
03:20:33,879 --> 03:20:37,719
defendant Lauranitis did not intend to injure plaintiff or plaintiff's

3642
03:20:37,719 --> 03:20:43,719
relationship with WCW. Plaintiff's claims for tortious interference with contractual

3643
03:20:43,760 --> 03:20:46,600
relations fails as a matter of law because neither defendant

3644
03:20:46,719 --> 03:20:51,920
Laurionitis not any other defendant induced a third party not

3645
03:20:52,079 --> 03:20:55,079
to enter or contecty business relationship.

3646
03:20:54,559 --> 03:20:56,120
Speaker 4: With no what I do? You know what I can

3647
03:20:56,159 --> 03:20:59,280
tell you right now. I wish not induced. I wash

3648
03:20:59,319 --> 03:21:00,799
not induced by either defendant.

3649
03:21:01,559 --> 03:21:04,079
Speaker 3: I was not john naturally.

3650
03:21:05,719 --> 03:21:09,319
Speaker 4: I was not induced. I gave birth to Tyrrell and

3651
03:21:09,559 --> 03:21:14,520
not on a natural basis. Third month, third party, third year.

3652
03:21:15,200 --> 03:21:16,319
Were you a C section baby?

3653
03:21:16,399 --> 03:21:24,959
Speaker 3: No, I was delivered on a natural basis, in while

3654
03:21:25,040 --> 03:21:27,680
Jesse was delivered on army basis.

3655
03:21:30,200 --> 03:21:32,280
Speaker 4: He toured army basis, all right.

3656
03:21:32,479 --> 03:21:36,399
Speaker 3: In a related note, that one's denied too, if you're

3657
03:21:36,440 --> 03:21:40,639
wondering denied, Plaintiff's claim for tortous interference with contractual relations

3658
03:21:40,719 --> 03:21:42,959
fails as a matter of law because defendant Lorinitis was

3659
03:21:43,040 --> 03:21:46,680
not a stranger to the contract quote unquote between plaintiff

3660
03:21:46,680 --> 03:21:51,360
and WCW. Batiff's claims against defendant Lorinitis for alleged breach

3661
03:21:51,440 --> 03:21:55,120
of fiduciary duty, negligence, negligent and infliction of emotional distress

3662
03:21:55,360 --> 03:21:59,319
and tortuous interference with contractual relations are barred by the

3663
03:21:59,399 --> 03:22:03,239
two years statute of limitations set forth in the OCGA.

3664
03:22:03,280 --> 03:22:07,479
Speaker 4: Tonight, the minute complaint relates back to the original complaint,

3665
03:22:07,719 --> 03:22:11,639
which was filed within the statutory period.

3666
03:22:11,719 --> 03:22:14,719
Speaker 3: All right, fine, how about we state undisputed material facts?

3667
03:22:15,200 --> 03:22:17,600
How about number one? Plaintiff, Sidney r Uti, is a

3668
03:22:17,639 --> 03:22:22,879
professional wrestler who is professionally known as Sid Vicious. Admitting

3669
03:22:23,319 --> 03:22:28,479
defendant Johnny Lorinidis is a former employee of WCW. Admitted

3670
03:22:28,680 --> 03:22:32,440
at all times relevant to Plaintiff's claims, Laurionidis worked with

3671
03:22:32,600 --> 03:22:35,879
WCW's wrestlers and agents to plan and coordinate the moves

3672
03:22:35,920 --> 03:22:37,520
of WCW's wrestlers in matches.

3673
03:22:38,479 --> 03:22:39,559
Speaker 4: Admitted honor.

3674
03:22:39,559 --> 03:22:42,719
Speaker 3: About June ninth, nineteen ninety nine, WCWAN plaintiff entered into

3675
03:22:42,719 --> 03:22:45,760
an agreement entitled Independent Contractor Agreement.

3676
03:22:48,520 --> 03:22:49,000
Speaker 4: Admitted.

3677
03:22:49,159 --> 03:22:52,559
Speaker 3: Under the terms of the agreement, Plaintiff expressly agreed that

3678
03:22:52,639 --> 03:22:56,239
he would perform the services agreed to as an independent contractor.

3679
03:22:57,200 --> 03:22:59,559
Speaker 4: Admitting the agreement speaks for itself.

3680
03:23:00,159 --> 03:23:02,479
Speaker 3: The term of the agreement was for three years, unless

3681
03:23:02,520 --> 03:23:05,319
earlier terminated. In accordance with the terms of the contract,

3682
03:23:05,719 --> 03:23:09,040
the term was divided into consecutive one year periods.

3683
03:23:09,879 --> 03:23:13,280
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks for itself.

3684
03:23:13,360 --> 03:23:17,079
Speaker 3: The agreement expressly provided the WCW had the right to

3685
03:23:17,239 --> 03:23:19,360
terminate the agreement at the end of any one year

3686
03:23:19,399 --> 03:23:22,399
period for any reason. Let me read you the excerpt

3687
03:23:22,479 --> 03:23:26,000
from the agreement. During any one year period, WCW may

3688
03:23:26,079 --> 03:23:31,000
terminate this agreement with or without cause, after giving wrestler

3689
03:23:31,040 --> 03:23:34,440
at least three months prior notice of such termination. Any

3690
03:23:34,520 --> 03:23:36,719
such termination shall be effective at the end of the

3691
03:23:36,760 --> 03:23:38,079
then current one year period.

3692
03:23:39,600 --> 03:23:42,200
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks for self.

3693
03:23:42,239 --> 03:23:45,719
Speaker 3: Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Plaintiff's compensation under the agreement

3694
03:23:45,799 --> 03:23:47,600
was set forth an Exhibit A to the agreement.

3695
03:23:48,440 --> 03:23:50,399
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks fortune.

3696
03:23:50,399 --> 03:23:53,159
Speaker 3: In addition to plaintiff's salary amounts, Exhibit A provided the

3697
03:23:53,319 --> 03:23:56,079
WCW would pay plaintiff a bonus each time he appeared

3698
03:23:56,120 --> 03:23:59,479
and performed on air at any WCW pay per view event.

3699
03:24:00,399 --> 03:24:02,840
Speaker 4: Admitted, agreement speaks for self.

3700
03:24:02,959 --> 03:24:05,760
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's pay per view bonus was fifty thousand dollars per

3701
03:24:05,840 --> 03:24:07,280
pay per view event for the first year of the

3702
03:24:07,319 --> 03:24:10,040
agreement and fifty five thousand dollars per pay per view

3703
03:24:10,079 --> 03:24:12,120
event for the second year of the agreement.

3704
03:24:12,799 --> 03:24:14,840
Speaker 4: Admitted agreement speaks.

3705
03:24:14,520 --> 03:24:17,399
Speaker 3: For self admitted a exhibit A to the agreement there

3706
03:24:17,479 --> 03:24:21,520
was a slip of the tongue. Admitted A admitted exhibit

3707
03:24:21,559 --> 03:24:25,079
A to the agreement also provided that plaintiff would be

3708
03:24:25,079 --> 03:24:27,040
paid for a minimum of eight pay per view events

3709
03:24:27,040 --> 03:24:27,920
per contractual year.

3710
03:24:28,879 --> 03:24:31,239
Speaker 4: Admitted agreement speaks for self.

3711
03:24:31,399 --> 03:24:34,319
Speaker 3: Under the terms of the agreement, if plaintiff became incapacitated

3712
03:24:34,399 --> 03:24:36,280
such that he was unable to perform all of the

3713
03:24:36,319 --> 03:24:40,200
physical requirements of a professional wrestler, he would continue to

3714
03:24:40,280 --> 03:24:43,840
receive his full compensation for the first cumulative thirty calendar

3715
03:24:43,959 --> 03:24:46,440
days of incapacity per contract year.

3716
03:24:48,079 --> 03:24:51,159
Speaker 4: Admitted agreement. Space Force agreement.

3717
03:24:50,840 --> 03:24:54,639
Speaker 3: Further provides if wrestler remains incapacitated after the initial thirty

3718
03:24:54,719 --> 03:25:00,799
day incapacity period, whether consecutive or not, w UCW shall

3719
03:25:00,840 --> 03:25:03,799
have the option at any point during which wrestler thereafter

3720
03:25:03,920 --> 03:25:08,280
remains incapacitated to terminate this agreement without further obligation.

3721
03:25:09,680 --> 03:25:12,159
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks.

3722
03:25:11,840 --> 03:25:15,159
Speaker 3: Forselfs If plaintiff remained incapacitated after the initial thirty day

3723
03:25:15,159 --> 03:25:19,559
in capacity period, in WCW elected not to terminate the agreement,

3724
03:25:19,760 --> 03:25:23,040
WCW agreed to the following pay schedule. Here it is

3725
03:25:23,639 --> 03:25:27,239
unless and until WCW shall exercise such right to terminate

3726
03:25:27,280 --> 03:25:29,799
this agreement on the basis of incapacity. WCW sshall A

3727
03:25:30,440 --> 03:25:32,719
continue to pay wrestler under this agreement at the rate

3728
03:25:32,799 --> 03:25:35,040
of one third, that is, thirty three point three percent

3729
03:25:35,799 --> 03:25:39,559
of the compensation otherwise payable here under. Or B utilize

3730
03:25:39,559 --> 03:25:42,600
wrestler for non wrestling services and pay wrestler at the

3731
03:25:42,680 --> 03:25:45,920
rate of one half fifty percent of the compensation otherwise

3732
03:25:45,959 --> 03:25:49,559
payable here under. Wrestler's ability to perform non wrestling services

3733
03:25:49,639 --> 03:25:53,079
shall be determined by WCW. While wrestler is being paid

3734
03:25:53,159 --> 03:25:56,479
pursuant to either A or B, all other terms of

3735
03:25:56,559 --> 03:25:58,319
this agreement shall remain in full force.

3736
03:25:59,239 --> 03:26:01,280
Speaker 4: Agreement speaks for self.

3737
03:26:01,239 --> 03:26:03,639
Speaker 3: Under the terms of the agreement, Plane INVOLVESO agreed to

3738
03:26:03,719 --> 03:26:07,760
accept workers compensation benefits as his sole and exclusive remedy

3739
03:26:08,000 --> 03:26:11,799
against WCW for any and all injuries he sustained during

3740
03:26:11,840 --> 03:26:14,959
the term of the agreement. Quote. Wrestler acknowledges his present

3741
03:26:15,000 --> 03:26:18,879
eligibility for workers compensation through WCW for so long as

3742
03:26:19,040 --> 03:26:23,280
WCW maintains workers compensation coverage wrestler agrees to accept the

3743
03:26:23,360 --> 03:26:27,600
benefits provided by said workers compensation coverage as his sole

3744
03:26:27,840 --> 03:26:32,520
and exclusive remedy against WCW, including its parent affiliates, employees,

3745
03:26:32,559 --> 03:26:36,600
and agents, for any and all injuries sustained during the term,

3746
03:26:36,680 --> 03:26:40,040
provided said coverage is maintained by WCW. That is an

3747
03:26:40,040 --> 03:26:41,840
effect with respect to such injury.

3748
03:26:42,879 --> 03:26:45,399
Speaker 4: I mean the agreement speaks for self.

3749
03:26:45,440 --> 03:26:48,120
Speaker 3: The agreement provided that it could not be orally modified.

3750
03:26:48,239 --> 03:26:48,559
Speaker 4: Quote.

3751
03:26:48,959 --> 03:26:52,520
Speaker 3: No waiver, termination or discharge of this agreement, or any

3752
03:26:52,600 --> 03:26:55,799
of the terms or provision thereof, shall be binding upon

3753
03:26:55,879 --> 03:26:59,479
either party here too. Unless confirmed in writing, this agreement

3754
03:26:59,559 --> 03:27:02,680
may not be modified or amended except by a writing

3755
03:27:03,319 --> 03:27:04,600
executed by both parties.

3756
03:27:06,200 --> 03:27:08,600
Speaker 4: Admitted that Greenman speaks for sale.

3757
03:27:08,680 --> 03:27:11,719
Speaker 3: During this period June ninth, nineteen ninety nine through March eighteenth,

3758
03:27:11,719 --> 03:27:15,120
two thousand, plaintiff performed as a professional wrestler for WCW,

3759
03:27:15,479 --> 03:27:18,239
and WCW paid him the full compensation set forth in

3760
03:27:18,280 --> 03:27:25,079
the agreement. Admitted admitted he thought her about March nineteenth,

3761
03:27:25,120 --> 03:27:28,559
two thousand, plaintiffs strained the rotator cuff and his shoulder

3762
03:27:29,680 --> 03:27:31,559
during a pay per view match in Miami, Florida.

3763
03:27:31,639 --> 03:27:35,840
Speaker 4: That's new admitted, mister U suffered a shoulder injury as

3764
03:27:35,879 --> 03:27:38,399
a result of WCW's actions. Did you have to add

3765
03:27:38,440 --> 03:27:41,440
that at the end, sir? Could you just admit it?

3766
03:27:41,559 --> 03:27:48,000
Tell I admit that they denied me. They admit they

3767
03:27:48,079 --> 03:27:48,639
denied me.

3768
03:27:48,799 --> 03:27:57,840
Speaker 3: Health wrongfully, right wrongfully denied me health. During the period

3769
03:27:57,920 --> 03:28:02,120
March nineteenth, two thousand April tenth, two thousand, w CW

3770
03:28:02,319 --> 03:28:05,200
paid plaintiff one hundred percent of the compensation payable to

3771
03:28:05,319 --> 03:28:09,159
him under the agreement. During an April tenth, two thousand

3772
03:28:09,200 --> 03:28:12,000
performance at a wrestling event in Denver, Colorado, plaintiff injured

3773
03:28:12,040 --> 03:28:14,600
his neck and back when he allowed his opponent to

3774
03:28:14,680 --> 03:28:17,200
throw him through a table at the conclusion of the performance.

3775
03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:21,879
Allowed allowed, Oh yes, yeah, we didn't want to. We

3776
03:28:21,879 --> 03:28:24,239
wouldn't want to indicate for a second that it's real.

3777
03:28:24,319 --> 03:28:28,360
Speaker 4: In this filing, mister Udy admitss it he suffered an injury,

3778
03:28:28,799 --> 03:28:33,200
but he was forced to wrestle by w CW's agents and.

3779
03:28:33,360 --> 03:28:37,840
Speaker 3: Shun now about that. I admit I suffered an injury,

3780
03:28:37,879 --> 03:28:39,040
but I was forced to wrestle.

3781
03:28:39,799 --> 03:28:40,520
Speaker 4: It's so funny.

3782
03:28:40,520 --> 03:28:43,959
Speaker 3: Anytime Sid complains about an injury, just know that he's

3783
03:28:44,000 --> 03:28:46,959
more than willing to wrestle hurt, but he's not above

3784
03:28:47,360 --> 03:28:48,879
saying you made me wrestle when I was hurt.

3785
03:28:48,920 --> 03:28:51,239
Speaker 4: After Yeah, right, listen, listen, he'll do it. And then

3786
03:28:51,639 --> 03:28:54,399
if anything bad happens and you fuck him over in

3787
03:28:54,440 --> 03:28:56,479
any way or he thinks you fucked him over, you

3788
03:28:56,520 --> 03:28:57,360
know it's your fault.

3789
03:28:57,440 --> 03:29:00,000
Speaker 3: And as a result of this April ten, two thousand

3790
03:29:00,079 --> 03:29:03,680
and shoulder injury, plaintiff became incapacitated and wasn't able to

3791
03:29:03,760 --> 03:29:06,399
perform any wrestling services for WCW.

3792
03:29:06,719 --> 03:29:10,399
Speaker 4: Admitted mister gud suffered his shoulder injury at the insistence

3793
03:29:10,440 --> 03:29:11,680
of ww's agents.

3794
03:29:12,079 --> 03:29:14,159
Speaker 3: Okay, he said he suffered the shoulder injury at the

3795
03:29:14,200 --> 03:29:17,559
insistence of ww's agents, who I guess stood around and said,

3796
03:29:17,639 --> 03:29:19,280
suffer a shoulder injury, sir.

3797
03:29:20,000 --> 03:29:21,479
Speaker 4: Now I went back there and they say, you know

3798
03:29:21,559 --> 03:29:23,520
what if you get out, if you walk out of

3799
03:29:23,559 --> 03:29:26,639
that arena and you don't have a shoulder injury, you're

3800
03:29:26,719 --> 03:29:27,440
fucking fined.

3801
03:29:28,719 --> 03:29:30,399
Speaker 3: I want to see a shoulder injured now.

3802
03:29:33,680 --> 03:29:37,360
Speaker 5: Now, you got to injury that fucking shoulder. Waiting, pal,

3803
03:29:38,159 --> 03:29:39,680
I'm still waiting for you to injury yourself.

3804
03:29:40,280 --> 03:29:40,719
Speaker 4: I'll get it.

3805
03:29:40,840 --> 03:29:43,200
Speaker 3: Trust me, it's hot it's an hour day or later,

3806
03:29:43,280 --> 03:29:47,360
but I'm gonna get you injured sid. WCW continued to

3807
03:29:47,360 --> 03:29:50,239
pay plaintiff one hundred percent of his compensation for the

3808
03:29:50,319 --> 03:29:53,319
first thirty calendar days that plaintiff was incapacitated as a

3809
03:29:53,360 --> 03:29:55,319
result of the shoulder entry he suffered during the Denver

3810
03:29:55,399 --> 03:29:56,959
pay per view. It wasn't a pay per view, but

3811
03:29:57,200 --> 03:30:01,120
SID nonetheless at or in the period May eleventh, two

3812
03:30:01,120 --> 03:30:04,079
thousand through June eighth, two thousand, WCW used plaintiff for

3813
03:30:04,159 --> 03:30:06,440
non wrestling services and paid him at the contractually agreed

3814
03:30:06,479 --> 03:30:09,760
upon fifty percent of the compensation payable to him under

3815
03:30:09,760 --> 03:30:10,159
the agreement.

3816
03:30:11,120 --> 03:30:14,719
Speaker 4: Mister Edi missed the pay was wrongfully reduced to fifty

3817
03:30:15,159 --> 03:30:20,040
during this time What does he admit again? Mister Yudi

3818
03:30:20,159 --> 03:30:24,440
admits that his pay was wrongfully reduced to fifty percent

3819
03:30:24,639 --> 03:30:25,479
during this time.

3820
03:30:25,360 --> 03:30:31,200
Speaker 3: Period in accordance with paragraphs fully reduced. You're cutting out

3821
03:30:31,239 --> 03:30:32,120
over and over again.

3822
03:30:32,680 --> 03:30:35,159
Speaker 4: Oh, wrongfully reduced.

3823
03:30:37,280 --> 03:30:39,760
Speaker 3: In accordance with paragraph eight of the agreement. During the

3824
03:30:39,799 --> 03:30:42,520
period June ninth, two thousand through July eighth, two thousand,

3825
03:30:43,040 --> 03:30:46,559
WCW paid plaintiff one of the compensation payable to him

3826
03:30:46,600 --> 03:30:49,920
under the agreement. During the period June ninth, two thousand

3827
03:30:49,959 --> 03:30:52,120
through July eight, two thousand, w wu's plaintiff for non

3828
03:30:52,120 --> 03:30:53,360
wrestling services only.

3829
03:30:56,399 --> 03:30:56,719
Speaker 8: Did not.

3830
03:30:58,680 --> 03:31:02,239
Speaker 4: Mister Yu's pay was wrongfully reduced to fifty percent during

3831
03:31:02,280 --> 03:31:03,479
this period time period.

3832
03:31:04,040 --> 03:31:06,520
Speaker 3: In December of two thousand, plaintiff's doctor cleared him to

3833
03:31:06,520 --> 03:31:07,799
resume full wrestling services.

3834
03:31:09,879 --> 03:31:10,719
Speaker 4: Admitted okay.

3835
03:31:11,040 --> 03:31:14,520
Speaker 3: In December two thousand, plaintiff resumed full wrestling services under

3836
03:31:14,520 --> 03:31:16,639
the agreement and his salary was fully restored.

3837
03:31:18,600 --> 03:31:19,079
Speaker 4: Admitted.

3838
03:31:19,280 --> 03:31:21,520
Speaker 3: On January fourteen, two thousand and one, plaintiff performed a

3839
03:31:21,559 --> 03:31:26,319
pay per view performance in Indianapolis, Indiana. Admitted, in preparing

3840
03:31:26,399 --> 03:31:29,159
for the January fourteen, two thousand and one performance of Laurentidis,

3841
03:31:29,440 --> 03:31:34,879
plaintiff voluntarily agreed to perform a move that required him

3842
03:31:34,879 --> 03:31:36,879
to jump off the second rope surrounding the wrestling ring

3843
03:31:36,920 --> 03:31:38,440
and kick one of his opponents in the face.

3844
03:31:39,879 --> 03:31:43,440
Speaker 4: Mister Uty admits that he was forced to perform move

3845
03:31:43,799 --> 03:31:48,159
by wsw's agent, including by not limited to mister Lauraidis.

3846
03:31:48,319 --> 03:31:51,040
Speaker 3: When plaintiff performed the move during the match on January fourteen,

3847
03:31:51,040 --> 03:31:53,559
two thousand and one, plaintiff did not kick his opponent

3848
03:31:53,600 --> 03:31:55,639
and plaintiff landed on the canvas on his left leg.

3849
03:31:56,879 --> 03:32:01,479
Speaker 4: Mister Udy admits he performed move and that mister Steiner

3850
03:32:01,879 --> 03:32:04,959
was not where he was supposed to be. Mister udi

3851
03:32:05,040 --> 03:32:07,559
ad missed it. He fell on his left heel.

3852
03:32:07,719 --> 03:32:10,319
Speaker 3: So this is this is indicating the WW is prepared

3853
03:32:10,360 --> 03:32:13,120
to argue boss that yes, we had him do the move,

3854
03:32:13,479 --> 03:32:15,920
but it's his fault that he landed on his leg,

3855
03:32:16,040 --> 03:32:16,479
not ours.

3856
03:32:17,719 --> 03:32:19,799
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, well, hold on, but it says up

3857
03:32:19,840 --> 03:32:23,959
there that he voluntarily did it. He voluntarily agreed to

3858
03:32:24,040 --> 03:32:27,159
perform the move, right, And then he's saying he's forced

3859
03:32:27,200 --> 03:32:28,600
to perform the move and it's.

3860
03:32:28,479 --> 03:32:30,680
Speaker 3: Not our fault that said that Scott Steiner was out

3861
03:32:30,680 --> 03:32:32,479
of position, because if Scott Steiner was standing where he

3862
03:32:32,479 --> 03:32:35,120
was supposed to stand, then said wouldn't have suffered this

3863
03:32:35,319 --> 03:32:39,799
injury performing the move that we demanded he'd perform, right,

3864
03:32:39,920 --> 03:32:43,719
I mean, why is everybody c WCW's perspective in all

3865
03:32:43,799 --> 03:32:49,639
this right amazing? Okay, Yeah, and mister Steiner was not

3866
03:32:49,680 --> 03:32:51,399
really needed to be. As a result of the fall,

3867
03:32:51,520 --> 03:32:54,319
plaintiff suffered a double compound fracture of his left leg,

3868
03:32:55,159 --> 03:32:58,760
admitting this injury occurred incurred by plaintiff at the general

3869
03:32:58,799 --> 03:33:01,479
pay per view render him makapacitated and unable to wrestle.

3870
03:33:02,200 --> 03:33:05,399
Speaker 4: Mister Edia admits and leg injury made it impossible for

3871
03:33:05,559 --> 03:33:09,319
him to wrestle professionally, and that WCW deemed him incapacitive.

3872
03:33:12,040 --> 03:33:14,680
Speaker 3: I could not wrestle professionally, but I will not accept

3873
03:33:14,760 --> 03:33:18,079
that that means I was incapacitated. As the result of

3874
03:33:18,120 --> 03:33:22,719
plaintiff's incapacity, WCW reduced Plaintiff's compensation to fifty percent of

3875
03:33:22,760 --> 03:33:25,079
the compensation payable to him under the agreement as of

3876
03:33:25,159 --> 03:33:26,440
January fifteen, two thousand and one.

3877
03:33:27,319 --> 03:33:31,079
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits that his pay was wrongfully reduced to

3878
03:33:31,200 --> 03:33:34,040
fifty percent the day after he performed the move at

3879
03:33:34,079 --> 03:33:35,719
the behest of w CW.

3880
03:33:36,040 --> 03:33:38,520
Speaker 3: On March first, two thousand and one, Diana Meyers, ww's

3881
03:33:38,559 --> 03:33:41,280
director of Legal and Business Affairs spoke with plaintiff on

3882
03:33:41,319 --> 03:33:44,319
the phone and informed him that WCW was exercising its

3883
03:33:44,360 --> 03:33:47,040
options under section eight B of the agreement to terminate

3884
03:33:47,079 --> 03:33:50,639
plaintiff's contract effective June eight, two thousand and one. Admitted

3885
03:33:50,719 --> 03:33:52,680
on March first, two thousand and one, Miss Meyers sent

3886
03:33:52,760 --> 03:33:56,520
to plaintiff via federal express written confirmation that WW was

3887
03:33:56,559 --> 03:33:58,760
exercising its option under Section eight B of the agreement

3888
03:33:58,840 --> 03:34:03,000
to terminate plaintiff's contract at maww's contermination was effective as

3889
03:34:03,040 --> 03:34:05,000
of June eighth, two thousand and one, more than three

3890
03:34:05,040 --> 03:34:06,879
months after the date of the written notice, and at

3891
03:34:06,879 --> 03:34:08,920
the end of the second year of the agreement.

3892
03:34:09,360 --> 03:34:12,000
Speaker 4: At may to receive no wait no wait. So if

3893
03:34:12,040 --> 03:34:15,239
it's effective after the company goes under, is it still

3894
03:34:15,319 --> 03:34:16,440
an effect? Yeah?

3895
03:34:16,440 --> 03:34:19,000
Speaker 3: I mean because UWC is formed to continue the business

3896
03:34:19,040 --> 03:34:23,760
affairs of WCW. So yeah, any contracts WW doesn't buy

3897
03:34:24,280 --> 03:34:26,479
remain on the books of UWC, and it's up to

3898
03:34:26,520 --> 03:34:28,440
them to deal with and resolve one way or the other.

3899
03:34:29,040 --> 03:34:29,399
Speaker 4: I see.

3900
03:34:30,159 --> 03:34:33,399
Speaker 3: Plantiff received three fifty five thousand dollars pay per view

3901
03:34:33,399 --> 03:34:37,559
payments during the second year of the agreement admitted honor.

3902
03:34:37,559 --> 03:34:39,840
About May eighteen, two thousand and one, plaintiff received in

3903
03:34:39,959 --> 03:34:42,479
cash to check from WCW oh the old the Hogan

3904
03:34:43,040 --> 03:34:46,959
oh Boy thing guilt for cashing checks. Plaintiff received in

3905
03:34:47,000 --> 03:34:49,719
cash to check from WCW for one hundred and thirty seven,

3906
03:34:50,040 --> 03:34:53,600
five hundred dollars, which represented payment for his remaining five

3907
03:34:53,799 --> 03:34:56,079
pay per views of the second year of the agreement

3908
03:34:56,319 --> 03:34:59,159
at fifty percent of the compensation payable under the agreement.

3909
03:35:00,319 --> 03:35:03,879
Speaker 4: Mister U admits he received and posited the check for

3910
03:35:03,920 --> 03:35:07,600
one hundred and thirty seven five hundred dollars, representing fifty

3911
03:35:07,639 --> 03:35:09,600
percent of his pay per view money for year two.

3912
03:35:10,079 --> 03:35:13,600
Mister E also admits that he is entitled to the

3913
03:35:13,680 --> 03:35:14,920
remaining fifty percent.

3914
03:35:16,959 --> 03:35:22,000
Speaker 3: Your goddamn right, he is, buddy, I did god cash

3915
03:35:22,040 --> 03:35:25,840
that check should have been more. WCW maintained workers compensation

3916
03:35:25,959 --> 03:35:28,520
coverage for plaintiff during the entire term of the agreement.

3917
03:35:29,920 --> 03:35:33,440
Speaker 4: Mister Ugi does not have sufficient knowledge to admit or

3918
03:35:33,520 --> 03:35:37,639
deny that WSW maintained workers' compensation insurance for the duration

3919
03:35:37,719 --> 03:35:38,719
of the agreement. That's fair.

3920
03:35:38,760 --> 03:35:42,639
Speaker 3: I suppose ww's workers compensation insure provided and plaintiff accepted

3921
03:35:42,799 --> 03:35:45,239
medical benefits for plaintiff's January fourteenth, two thousand and one

3922
03:35:45,280 --> 03:35:46,040
injury to his lege.

3923
03:35:47,360 --> 03:35:51,520
Speaker 4: Mister U admits that ww's insurance paid for the medical treatment.

3924
03:35:51,600 --> 03:35:53,840
Speaker 3: Right, So we got that WW paid for the medical treatment.

3925
03:35:53,920 --> 03:35:56,239
That's I mean, that's bare minimum. I'm not saying they

3926
03:35:56,319 --> 03:35:58,360
deserve a pat on the back for that, but said

3927
03:35:58,440 --> 03:36:00,799
has to be careful going out. They're claiming he's owed

3928
03:36:00,799 --> 03:36:02,719
all this money because of the damage he suffered, because

3929
03:36:02,719 --> 03:36:04,440
they The fact is they paid for the injury. They

3930
03:36:04,520 --> 03:36:07,959
paid for him to rehabit and get it fixed. Ww's

3931
03:36:07,959 --> 03:36:10,479
Workers Compensation Insurre has paid for all.

3932
03:36:11,040 --> 03:36:13,520
Speaker 4: Well, you know, they also paid for the injury to happen.

3933
03:36:14,600 --> 03:36:20,399
Oh shit, what are you suggesting, mister Udy. I'm suggesting

3934
03:36:20,760 --> 03:36:24,000
that they go out there. They paid perview, they sell

3935
03:36:24,040 --> 03:36:27,959
paid perviews, and they say, you know what, Sid, We're

3936
03:36:28,000 --> 03:36:30,040
gonna put a hit on your fucking life, and it's

3937
03:36:30,040 --> 03:36:32,280
gonna hit you in the head like a shot. It's

3938
03:36:32,319 --> 03:36:33,920
gonna hit you in the leg like a shot.

3939
03:36:34,040 --> 03:36:41,440
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, everyone's out here talking about who paid

3940
03:36:41,479 --> 03:36:43,319
for the damages. You know who paid for the damages?

3941
03:36:43,520 --> 03:36:47,159
Speaker 4: Sid paid, that's right, and he paid the pop. He

3942
03:36:47,239 --> 03:36:48,360
paid the ultimate price.

3943
03:36:48,239 --> 03:36:52,479
Speaker 3: Really paid the price here exactly. Ww's Workers Competation Insure

3944
03:36:52,520 --> 03:36:55,840
has paid for all of the treatment plaintiff has received

3945
03:36:56,120 --> 03:36:58,559
for his leg injury since January fourteenth, two thousand and one,

3946
03:36:58,639 --> 03:36:59,879
including plaintiff surgery.

3947
03:37:01,000 --> 03:37:04,799
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits ww's insurance paid for his medical treatment.

3948
03:37:04,959 --> 03:37:08,959
Speaker 3: Ww's Worker's Compensation Insurer continues to pay for the rehabilitation

3949
03:37:09,159 --> 03:37:11,360
of and physical therapy of plaintiff's leg.

3950
03:37:12,239 --> 03:37:16,440
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits that ww's insurance paid for his medical treatment.

3951
03:37:17,319 --> 03:37:20,399
Speaker 3: Plaintiff has not paid for any of the medical treatment,

3952
03:37:20,479 --> 03:37:22,559
services or rehabilitation for his leg injury.

3953
03:37:23,639 --> 03:37:27,719
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits the w CW's insurance paid for his

3954
03:37:27,840 --> 03:37:28,639
medical treatment.

3955
03:37:28,959 --> 03:37:33,319
Speaker 3: A valid contract existed between plaintiff and WCW that governed

3956
03:37:33,559 --> 03:37:36,879
the compensation the WCW was to pay plaintiff for his

3957
03:37:36,959 --> 03:37:38,159
professional wrestling services.

3958
03:37:39,120 --> 03:37:41,479
Speaker 4: Admitted the agreement speaks for sale.

3959
03:37:41,360 --> 03:37:45,200
Speaker 3: W W carriac to professional Athletes insurance policy issued by Lloyd's.

3960
03:37:46,879 --> 03:37:52,159
Speaker 4: Heyes, of course, mister unimits a WW agents informed him

3961
03:37:52,440 --> 03:37:54,760
that a disability policy had been taken out for him.

3962
03:37:55,600 --> 03:37:57,760
Speaker 3: Plaintiff was one of many ww wrestlers named in the

3963
03:37:57,840 --> 03:37:58,600
Lloyd's policy.

3964
03:38:00,000 --> 03:38:03,319
Speaker 4: Does not have sufficient information to admit or deny statement

3965
03:38:03,399 --> 03:38:04,479
forty five. That's a T shirt.

3966
03:38:04,559 --> 03:38:07,559
Speaker 3: Mister Ud does not have sufficient information to admit or

3967
03:38:07,600 --> 03:38:12,319
deny statement forty five. Under the terms of the Lloyd's policy,

3968
03:38:12,799 --> 03:38:17,360
WCW was entitled to receive partial reimbursement for payments made

3969
03:38:17,639 --> 03:38:21,200
by WCW to plaintiff during any period that plaintiff was

3970
03:38:21,239 --> 03:38:23,120
incapacitated under the terms of the agreement.

3971
03:38:24,159 --> 03:38:28,239
Speaker 4: Mister Ug does not have sufficient information to admit or

3972
03:38:28,319 --> 03:38:30,000
deny statement for six.

3973
03:38:30,159 --> 03:38:33,760
Speaker 3: Lloyd's policy did not provide for any reimbursement to WCW

3974
03:38:34,000 --> 03:38:36,200
during the first one hundred twenty days of any period

3975
03:38:36,479 --> 03:38:38,079
in which plaintiff was incapacitated.

3976
03:38:38,639 --> 03:38:41,200
Speaker 4: Mister Ug does not have sufficient information to admit or

3977
03:38:41,239 --> 03:38:42,559
deny statement forty seven.

3978
03:38:42,719 --> 03:38:45,319
Speaker 3: During the period June ninth, nineteen ninety nine through July eight,

3979
03:38:45,399 --> 03:38:48,520
two thousand, plaintiff was paid ten pay per view bonuses

3980
03:38:48,840 --> 03:38:52,719
in the amount of fifty thousand dollars each May. Plaintiff

3981
03:38:52,719 --> 03:38:55,200
is an experienced wrestler with almost twenty years in the business.

3982
03:38:56,000 --> 03:38:58,520
At message January fourteen, two thousand and one, Plaintiff was

3983
03:38:58,559 --> 03:39:02,120
well aware of the AUV and inherent dangers of wrestling professionally.

3984
03:39:03,840 --> 03:39:07,079
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits that he was aware that injuries occurred

3985
03:39:07,120 --> 03:39:11,639
in wrestling, but his injury was not a foreseeable one.

3986
03:39:12,159 --> 03:39:15,600
Speaker 3: Plaintive voluntarily agreed to perform the move that ultimately resulted

3987
03:39:15,639 --> 03:39:17,399
in the January fourteenth, two thousand and one injury to

3988
03:39:17,479 --> 03:39:17,760
his leg.

3989
03:39:18,799 --> 03:39:22,719
Speaker 4: Mister Udia missed the ww's agents forced him to perform

3990
03:39:22,920 --> 03:39:24,760
move that resulted in his injury.

3991
03:39:24,840 --> 03:39:27,559
Speaker 3: Plant to voluntarily agreed to perform the move that ultimately

3992
03:39:27,559 --> 03:39:29,440
resulted in the January fourteen, two thousand and one injury

3993
03:39:29,479 --> 03:39:32,920
to his leg, even though he appreciated the specific danger

3994
03:39:33,000 --> 03:39:35,479
involved in jumping off the wrestling ring ropes and attempting

3995
03:39:35,520 --> 03:39:36,719
to kick an opponent in the face.

3996
03:39:38,000 --> 03:39:41,000
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits that he agreed to perform the move,

3997
03:39:41,520 --> 03:39:44,040
but that he did not appreciate the danger of the

3998
03:39:44,120 --> 03:39:46,280
move or foresee the injury that occurred.

3999
03:39:46,399 --> 03:39:49,520
Speaker 3: The agreement provided and whose fault is that, sir? Pardon me, geeh,

4000
03:39:49,520 --> 03:39:50,639
I'm sorry, I had to let that out.

4001
03:39:51,319 --> 03:39:51,840
Speaker 4: The agreement.

4002
03:39:52,719 --> 03:39:55,239
Speaker 3: The agreement provider that plaintiff would develop his own individual

4003
03:39:55,280 --> 03:39:57,639
wrestling style and persona with advice for WCW.

4004
03:39:58,799 --> 03:40:01,600
Speaker 4: Mister Udi admits, I think agreement speaks for saving.

4005
03:40:01,600 --> 03:40:04,440
Speaker 3: Agreement provided the WCW and plaintiff agreed to act quote

4006
03:40:04,680 --> 03:40:08,680
in their own separate capacities and not as agents, employees, partners,

4007
03:40:08,760 --> 03:40:11,600
joined venturers, or associates of one another end quote.

4008
03:40:12,360 --> 03:40:14,920
Speaker 4: Mister Uti admits, I think greement speaks for excess.

4009
03:40:15,040 --> 03:40:16,920
Speaker 3: C W and plaintiff agreed that the agreement was the

4010
03:40:17,000 --> 03:40:20,520
quote product of arm's length negotiations between plaintiff and WCW

4011
03:40:20,760 --> 03:40:23,639
end quote, and that plaintiff quote had the opportunity to

4012
03:40:23,719 --> 03:40:26,879
seek and obtain consultation and connection with the negotiation and

4013
03:40:26,959 --> 03:40:28,639
execution of the agreement end quote.

4014
03:40:29,479 --> 03:40:32,079
Speaker 4: Mister Uni A. Mints. I think greement speaks for.

4015
03:40:32,120 --> 03:40:34,719
Speaker 3: Excels respectfully submitted on this twenty seventh day of January

4016
03:40:34,719 --> 03:40:38,319
two thousand and four, Council for plaintiff. So that is

4017
03:40:38,399 --> 03:40:42,840
basically and directly the series of claims that ww's making

4018
03:40:43,079 --> 03:40:45,840
to counter sit is that he went in and did

4019
03:40:45,920 --> 03:40:49,000
this move with full cognizance of the risks involved, and

4020
03:40:49,079 --> 03:40:51,040
it almost doesn't matter if he was forced to do it.

4021
03:40:51,159 --> 03:40:54,680
He nonetheless did it under an agreement and a contractual

4022
03:40:54,680 --> 03:40:57,959
structure where he assumed all of these risks and had

4023
03:40:57,959 --> 03:41:00,600
a lot of experience in the business. Can claim he

4024
03:41:00,680 --> 03:41:03,520
didn't know that that kind of an injury was possible,

4025
03:41:04,200 --> 03:41:06,159
but just because he it didn't occur to him that

4026
03:41:06,280 --> 03:41:07,600
that was the risk he was taken by doing the

4027
03:41:07,639 --> 03:41:10,639
move doesn't make a WCW's fault that it occurred. And

4028
03:41:11,639 --> 03:41:14,799
I don't know it sounds it sounds like a strained

4029
03:41:14,840 --> 03:41:19,879
series of excuses to me on which end a WWS end,

4030
03:41:20,000 --> 03:41:22,079
you know, because that works. It comes down to that

4031
03:41:22,120 --> 03:41:23,040
word force, doesn't it.

4032
03:41:24,639 --> 03:41:27,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's I mean, I mean, really, what

4033
03:41:28,079 --> 03:41:32,760
do you It's it's a hard it's that's a hard

4034
03:41:32,879 --> 03:41:36,280
thing to to kind of prove. Really it is what

4035
03:41:36,440 --> 03:41:40,639
is forced? What is volunteer? What is a voluntary move? Right?

4036
03:41:41,319 --> 03:41:43,840
Speaker 3: Because they are also w WS with then the rights

4037
03:41:43,879 --> 03:41:45,520
to say that ultimately Sid agreed to do it, that

4038
03:41:45,639 --> 03:41:45,959
is true.

4039
03:41:47,799 --> 03:41:47,920
Speaker 4: Right.

4040
03:41:48,239 --> 03:41:50,319
Speaker 3: It's not like he parted the curtain saying fuck you,

4041
03:41:50,399 --> 03:41:52,399
I'm not going to do this, and you know that

4042
03:41:52,559 --> 03:41:56,399
somehow it ended up happening anyway. It's like eventually he

4043
03:41:56,440 --> 03:41:58,559
went through the curtain and WCW was confident that he

4044
03:41:58,600 --> 03:42:00,760
agreed to do the move, even if he had an

4045
03:42:00,760 --> 03:42:02,719
initial But again, it's got a factor in. You got

4046
03:42:02,760 --> 03:42:05,000
a factor in that Sid is Sid, and that of

4047
03:42:05,079 --> 03:42:06,600
course he's got a problem with it. You know, that's

4048
03:42:06,680 --> 03:42:09,399
just part of doing business with Sid, right, Right, He's

4049
03:42:09,399 --> 03:42:10,840
always going to have a problem with it. Right, This

4050
03:42:10,920 --> 03:42:12,319
is a guy who suffers a heart attack and goes

4051
03:42:12,360 --> 03:42:15,719
back to the hotel. According to Harvey Whippleman, when we

4052
03:42:15,760 --> 03:42:17,719
go try to find it, right, So you know, there's

4053
03:42:17,719 --> 03:42:20,440
all kinds of things like this with him. So this

4054
03:42:20,559 --> 03:42:22,520
all goes to the court system there in Georgia and

4055
03:42:22,799 --> 03:42:26,600
Sid gets denied on the breach of contract claim by

4056
03:42:26,639 --> 03:42:29,639
the local judge. But wow, he does get upheld on

4057
03:42:29,680 --> 03:42:32,280
the violation of an oral contract and unjustin Richmond. So

4058
03:42:32,319 --> 03:42:35,239
apparently the judge thinks there's something to the idea that

4059
03:42:35,399 --> 03:42:38,760
WCW went a little too far, in arguably trying to

4060
03:42:38,840 --> 03:42:41,159
monetize this injury by making a storyline out of it,

4061
03:42:41,200 --> 03:42:43,760
replaying in a nitro and everything. So as specious as

4062
03:42:43,799 --> 03:42:45,959
that argument seemed to be when we first read through

4063
03:42:46,000 --> 03:42:48,120
Sid's arguments, that was the one that did sync in

4064
03:42:48,840 --> 03:42:50,680
with the judge as something that was worthy of further

4065
03:42:50,760 --> 03:42:54,000
inquiry and perhaps should go to trial. And so of

4066
03:42:54,079 --> 03:42:57,360
course Sid, having been denied the breach of contract claim,

4067
03:42:57,399 --> 03:42:59,239
which is probably where most of the money is, he

4068
03:42:59,399 --> 03:43:02,959
appeals decision as superior court and that sends it up

4069
03:43:02,959 --> 03:43:04,639
to the state appeals court. The same thing happened in

4070
03:43:04,680 --> 03:43:07,799
the Vince Russou Hull Cogan lawsuit, where remember he got

4071
03:43:07,840 --> 03:43:09,639
half of what he wanted and half of not what

4072
03:43:09,760 --> 03:43:13,719
he wanted, right, you know, there was this claim of

4073
03:43:13,799 --> 03:43:15,879
defamation of character, and there was this claim of breach

4074
03:43:15,920 --> 03:43:18,440
of contract, and so it got very confusing because did

4075
03:43:18,520 --> 03:43:20,680
Hogan win or did he not win? It's like, well

4076
03:43:20,879 --> 03:43:23,520
it both of course, right.

4077
03:43:23,639 --> 03:43:26,159
Speaker 4: Of course, listen, he'll he'll, he'll do the job as

4078
03:43:26,200 --> 03:43:27,200
well as he wins in the end.

4079
03:43:27,680 --> 03:43:30,520
Speaker 3: So SID appeals to the state Appeals Court contends that

4080
03:43:30,639 --> 03:43:33,200
the trial court at local court we've been talking about,

4081
03:43:33,479 --> 03:43:36,639
made an error and granting some rejudgment for WCW on

4082
03:43:36,719 --> 03:43:39,840
claims of breach of contract, breach of fiduciary duty, negligence

4083
03:43:39,879 --> 03:43:42,719
and all the rest. And he contends that the error,

4084
03:43:45,600 --> 03:43:47,840
the error came when they found that WW did not

4085
03:43:47,959 --> 03:43:51,959
improperly reduce his pay. That's what he really wants. He

4086
03:43:52,040 --> 03:43:54,639
wants that fifty to be one percent. He thinks he

4087
03:43:54,760 --> 03:43:57,079
can get that money out of them, of course, and

4088
03:43:57,239 --> 03:43:59,680
that of course, he also claims the improperly terminated his

4089
03:43:59,719 --> 03:44:03,079
contra as a result. Well, whereas WCW responded that all

4090
03:44:03,120 --> 03:44:06,440
the actions were allowed under UT's contract. So he actually

4091
03:44:06,440 --> 03:44:10,680
has two separate appeal cases to the state. Wwpls their

4092
03:44:10,719 --> 03:44:13,000
own denial too. It's not just said that appeals WW

4093
03:44:13,479 --> 03:44:18,639
denies the part they lost as well under breach of

4094
03:44:18,680 --> 03:44:22,120
an oral agreement and unjust and Richmond and so Finally,

4095
03:44:22,440 --> 03:44:29,479
the appeals court affirms the order that WW one and

4096
03:44:29,600 --> 03:44:34,840
denies sid's attempt to win the other fifty percent. Here

4097
03:44:34,959 --> 03:44:39,719
is an excerpt from the state appeals court decision here

4098
03:44:39,799 --> 03:44:41,399
that kind of brought this thing to an end, or

4099
03:44:41,479 --> 03:44:44,479
all just about brought to an end. After Uty's disabling

4100
03:44:44,520 --> 03:44:47,280
lake fractures, WCW did not terminate him after thirty days,

4101
03:44:47,319 --> 03:44:49,239
but instead paid him fifty percent of his base pay

4102
03:44:49,399 --> 03:44:50,920
and what he would have earned for five pay per

4103
03:44:51,000 --> 03:44:53,239
view events, and eventually terminated him in ninety days.

4104
03:44:53,319 --> 03:44:53,600
Speaker 4: Notice.

4105
03:44:53,799 --> 03:44:56,520
Speaker 3: Uty argues that a jury question exists, that is to say,

4106
03:44:56,520 --> 03:44:58,399
this should go to trial and a jury should decide.

4107
03:44:58,639 --> 03:45:01,200
A jury question exists as to whether he is entitled

4108
03:45:01,239 --> 03:45:03,360
to the other fifty percent because he contends that he

4109
03:45:03,479 --> 03:45:06,440
was coerced into performing the wrestling move that ended his career.

4110
03:45:06,680 --> 03:45:09,440
In other words, yeah, I might be incapacitated, and that

4111
03:45:09,559 --> 03:45:13,639
might entitally, you'd only pay me half. But if I

4112
03:45:13,680 --> 03:45:15,920
get incapacitated because you forced me to do something that

4113
03:45:15,920 --> 03:45:18,440
shouldn't count, Yeah, that shouldn't count. You shouldn't be able

4114
03:45:18,479 --> 03:45:20,079
to pay me less because you forced me to do

4115
03:45:20,120 --> 03:45:22,959
a move that broke my leg in half. WW responds

4116
03:45:23,000 --> 03:45:25,559
that it complied with the contract terms, that Udi voluntarily

4117
03:45:25,680 --> 03:45:27,920
chose to perform the maneuver knowing the danger involved, and

4118
03:45:28,000 --> 03:45:32,639
that it did not coerce ud. Udy testified on deposition

4119
03:45:32,760 --> 03:45:35,680
that he told Laurionidis, the WW employee who blocked the

4120
03:45:35,760 --> 03:45:38,079
moves for the January fourteen, two thousand and one event,

4121
03:45:38,600 --> 03:45:41,280
I think he's by blocked. I think they mean scripted it,

4122
03:45:42,120 --> 03:45:44,079
that he did not want to perform the final move

4123
03:45:44,120 --> 03:45:45,639
in which he was to jump from the second rope

4124
03:45:45,680 --> 03:45:48,239
and land and his opponent. He testified that he said

4125
03:45:48,280 --> 03:45:49,600
he was just not a rope guy.

4126
03:45:51,559 --> 03:45:54,559
Speaker 4: That's a shirt, just not a rope guy. I'm just

4127
03:45:54,680 --> 03:45:55,479
not a rope guy.

4128
03:45:55,760 --> 03:45:58,040
Speaker 3: Being a big man, he was concerned about getting his

4129
03:45:58,159 --> 03:46:00,120
timing right so he did not kick his opponent in

4130
03:46:00,280 --> 03:46:02,559
the face, having just returned to the ring after shoulder

4131
03:46:02,600 --> 03:46:05,280
surgery the year before. But Judy said Lauren Attis kept

4132
03:46:05,319 --> 03:46:07,600
telling him he needed to do the move. Eventually, he

4133
03:46:07,639 --> 03:46:09,799
handed him a written script and told Judy that if

4134
03:46:09,840 --> 03:46:11,719
you took the move out, Lauren Aidis would have to

4135
03:46:11,799 --> 03:46:15,159
redraft the script. God forbid, perish the thought Johnny, Oh

4136
03:46:15,280 --> 03:46:17,040
my god, I find a copy. You have to find

4137
03:46:17,040 --> 03:46:18,959
a kinkosh would be a nightmare. Sid, What am I

4138
03:46:18,959 --> 03:46:21,639
supposed to do? The script you want to read? Draft

4139
03:46:21,799 --> 03:46:23,239
is the ten fucking commanderies.

4140
03:46:23,280 --> 03:46:23,920
Speaker 4: Cross it out?

4141
03:46:24,000 --> 03:46:25,600
Speaker 3: What the fuck you have to rewrite the script?

4142
03:46:25,680 --> 03:46:26,200
Speaker 2: Cross it out?

4143
03:46:26,280 --> 03:46:27,000
Speaker 4: I can't rewrite.

4144
03:46:27,319 --> 03:46:29,760
Speaker 5: I can't rewrite the script, said, I don't have a sharply,

4145
03:46:29,879 --> 03:46:32,440
Sid said, my guy up in North.

4146
03:46:32,479 --> 03:46:33,440
Speaker 4: He said he can't do it.

4147
03:46:37,159 --> 03:46:40,920
Speaker 3: My guy up and North. That's fucking great. I never

4148
03:46:41,000 --> 03:46:41,959
thought of that angle to it.

4149
03:46:43,920 --> 03:46:44,680
Speaker 4: Have to draft the script.

4150
03:46:44,840 --> 03:46:46,799
Speaker 3: Then, Udy admitted that he agreed to perform the move,

4151
03:46:47,000 --> 03:46:49,040
thinking he needed to prove himself to the company's new

4152
03:46:49,120 --> 03:46:51,200
owners because he had been able to work for some

4153
03:46:51,280 --> 03:46:53,520
time due to previous injuries. That's interesting that went through

4154
03:46:53,520 --> 03:46:56,239
Sid's mind. You know, we're about to undergo an ownership

4155
03:46:56,319 --> 03:46:58,040
change that definitely was in the air in January.

4156
03:46:58,200 --> 03:46:58,440
Speaker 4: People.

4157
03:46:58,719 --> 03:47:00,840
Speaker 3: Of course, a bishoff in few and all that stuff

4158
03:47:00,879 --> 03:47:03,799
is already well in motion, Sid says. The law says

4159
03:47:03,799 --> 03:47:06,879
if the non performance is caused by the opposite party's action,

4160
03:47:06,959 --> 03:47:09,079
it doesn't count. So if I can't perform because something

4161
03:47:09,120 --> 03:47:12,799
you did to me, not something I did you know

4162
03:47:12,920 --> 03:47:16,280
that that should invalidate your ability to pay me half.

4163
03:47:17,719 --> 03:47:19,840
But the judge otimately says, now there's a ninjury clause

4164
03:47:19,879 --> 03:47:22,639
in there, so you don't get to stand. You don't

4165
03:47:22,680 --> 03:47:25,520
have a le like to stand on. Of course, because

4166
03:47:25,639 --> 03:47:27,920
UDI granted WW the right to tape the wrestling match,

4167
03:47:27,959 --> 03:47:30,159
the judge determines, and to use and exhibit any part

4168
03:47:30,159 --> 03:47:33,200
of the match, he cannot claim that WW was unjustly

4169
03:47:33,319 --> 03:47:36,159
enriched by doing so. Under the policy terms the judge

4170
03:47:36,200 --> 03:47:39,920
included WCW not UDI was entitled to receive partial reimbursement

4171
03:47:39,959 --> 03:47:42,319
for payments made by WCW to any of the wrestler's names.

4172
03:47:42,319 --> 03:47:45,440
In other words, h Lloyd's repaid WCW for some of

4173
03:47:45,479 --> 03:47:48,000
the benefits that it paid to UD. WCW was not

4174
03:47:48,239 --> 03:47:52,959
enriched by the policy, just partially reimbursed. Boss got that

4175
03:47:53,079 --> 03:47:57,120
sid WW was not enringed here. They weren't even made whole,

4176
03:47:57,920 --> 03:48:01,079
of course not and also the judge includes. Finally, WW

4177
03:48:01,159 --> 03:48:03,719
contends that the trial court errred in denying it some

4178
03:48:03,840 --> 03:48:07,319
rejudgment on Utie's claim that WCW breached its oral agreement

4179
03:48:07,360 --> 03:48:08,719
to pay him for a pay per view event in

4180
03:48:08,760 --> 03:48:10,760
which he did not appear because the agreement provided that

4181
03:48:10,840 --> 03:48:13,399
any modification had to be in writing. Uti responds that

4182
03:48:13,479 --> 03:48:16,239
he relied on this payment promise to his detriment, agreeing

4183
03:48:16,280 --> 03:48:18,680
to fight before his doctor had cleared him medically following

4184
03:48:18,719 --> 03:48:22,239
his shoulder surgery. His reliance was reasonable, he contends, because

4185
03:48:22,239 --> 03:48:24,639
he had previously worked for WCW with no contract and

4186
03:48:24,719 --> 03:48:25,319
had been paid.

4187
03:48:27,559 --> 03:48:30,159
Speaker 4: Your honor, I'm with him. I right to expect that.

4188
03:48:30,239 --> 03:48:32,440
Speaker 3: Things that are promised to me will be delivered even

4189
03:48:32,440 --> 03:48:34,799
if they're not in writing, because most of the money

4190
03:48:34,840 --> 03:48:37,360
I've made from this fucking company was without a contract

4191
03:48:37,440 --> 03:48:41,079
on the table. Based on the party's deposition testimony, the

4192
03:48:41,120 --> 03:48:43,479
judge concludes, we agreed that the trial court that with

4193
03:48:43,600 --> 03:48:46,280
the trial court that a genuine issue of material facts

4194
03:48:46,440 --> 03:48:48,639
exists for the jury to decide on this issue. So

4195
03:48:49,159 --> 03:48:51,399
it may have been too sweeping in my conclusion.

4196
03:48:51,440 --> 03:48:51,559
Speaker 8: There.

4197
03:48:51,799 --> 03:48:54,399
Speaker 3: While the judge doesn't uphold the thing SID really cares about,

4198
03:48:55,479 --> 03:48:59,479
he does say that a jury ought to decide if

4199
03:49:01,479 --> 03:49:07,000
if SID was denied an oral agreement payment. Remember they

4200
03:49:07,000 --> 03:49:08,360
said they would pay him for a pay per view

4201
03:49:08,360 --> 03:49:10,239
if he did what they had to go to the

4202
03:49:10,280 --> 03:49:13,600
table or whatever. So the judge keeps alive that little

4203
03:49:13,600 --> 03:49:15,559
small smidgeon of things, But that just means it gets

4204
03:49:15,639 --> 03:49:17,040
kicked back to the local court and they've got to

4205
03:49:17,079 --> 03:49:19,719
figure it all out. So after the Peers Court rules

4206
03:49:20,159 --> 03:49:22,879
as outlined above, on July twelve, two thousand and five,

4207
03:49:22,920 --> 03:49:25,719
a settlement is reached, ladies and gentlemen between sid UNI

4208
03:49:25,760 --> 03:49:27,120
and the Universal Wrestling Corporation.

4209
03:49:27,920 --> 03:49:28,600
Speaker 4: So that's what happens.

4210
03:49:28,600 --> 03:49:30,239
Speaker 3: It goes all the way appeal. The judge keeps one

4211
03:49:30,239 --> 03:49:32,559
little piece of it alive. Let's negotiate that no one

4212
03:49:32,600 --> 03:49:35,639
wants to go to trial here Sid Jesus and I

4213
03:49:35,680 --> 03:49:37,760
don't know who's to say what Sid got paid for

4214
03:49:37,799 --> 03:49:39,479
this settlement, but he did get paid at the end,

4215
03:49:39,600 --> 03:49:42,760
just for a small smidgeon of the full menu of

4216
03:49:42,799 --> 03:49:45,079
things he tried to claim against World Championship Wrestling. I'm

4217
03:49:45,120 --> 03:49:46,600
sure he didn't end up with anything close to the

4218
03:49:46,680 --> 03:49:48,600
other fifty percent of pay that he thought he wasn't

4219
03:49:48,600 --> 03:49:51,600
touch Oh, I'm sure not. But yeah, the final settlement

4220
03:49:51,719 --> 03:49:53,399
order is answered. And so you got to think about

4221
03:49:53,440 --> 03:49:55,399
this injury happens in two thousand and one, and it

4222
03:49:55,479 --> 03:49:58,680
doesn't get settled in the courts until my god, two

4223
03:49:58,680 --> 03:50:00,639
thousand and five four years after the company folds.

4224
03:50:01,079 --> 03:50:04,879
Speaker 4: Wow, still going on? You old? That's absurd. I mean,

4225
03:50:05,600 --> 03:50:08,719
is there still a Universal like? I mean, I imagine

4226
03:50:08,719 --> 03:50:11,120
that there's nothing now. But how long did that did

4227
03:50:11,200 --> 03:50:12,040
that company last?

4228
03:50:12,520 --> 03:50:12,559
Speaker 8: It?

4229
03:50:12,639 --> 03:50:14,399
Speaker 4: Probably Universal Wrestling.

4230
03:50:14,840 --> 03:50:17,239
Speaker 3: Unless all of its liabilities have been disgorged. Like in

4231
03:50:17,319 --> 03:50:19,520
other words, if nobody else has a claim on them

4232
03:50:19,639 --> 03:50:23,680
for money, ode they still exist, you know, but I

4233
03:50:23,680 --> 03:50:24,799
don't know if they've dissolved or not.

4234
03:50:24,920 --> 03:50:25,719
Speaker 4: That's a great question.

4235
03:50:25,920 --> 03:50:27,799
Speaker 3: I haven't heard about them in an awful long time.

4236
03:50:28,159 --> 03:50:30,239
But this this was a huge thing because so many

4237
03:50:30,239 --> 03:50:33,440
of these wrestlers, as we know, WWF didn't pick up

4238
03:50:33,440 --> 03:50:35,840
their contract and so they're still going to get paid

4239
03:50:35,840 --> 03:50:38,200
even though ww doesn't exist, and it's this new UWC

4240
03:50:38,360 --> 03:50:40,159
that they have to rely on. That's what's on the checks,

4241
03:50:40,639 --> 03:50:42,280
and that's where they have to go when they try

4242
03:50:42,319 --> 03:50:44,440
to make last minute claims for even more money, because

4243
03:50:44,440 --> 03:50:46,239
at that point, what's to lose. I mean, you're going

4244
03:50:46,319 --> 03:50:48,200
to get paid. There's no way to punish you from

4245
03:50:48,200 --> 03:50:50,799
booking because the company doesn't exist anymore. So let's just

4246
03:50:51,360 --> 03:50:52,799
just try a few lawsuits see if we can get

4247
03:50:52,799 --> 03:50:54,719
a few more bucks out of this. The skeleton that's

4248
03:50:54,799 --> 03:50:56,000
left of what was WCW.

4249
03:50:57,000 --> 03:50:57,040
Speaker 8: So.

4250
03:50:57,719 --> 03:51:00,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the final settlement settlement order is issued is mentioned

4251
03:51:00,280 --> 03:51:02,559
in two thousand and five. It reads, the Court having

4252
03:51:02,600 --> 03:51:05,000
been advised by counsel for the plaintiff that is counseled

4253
03:51:05,000 --> 03:51:07,799
for SID and the defendant, that the above styled action

4254
03:51:07,959 --> 03:51:10,760
has been settled. It is hereby ordered that this action

4255
03:51:10,879 --> 03:51:14,000
shall stand dismissed within thirty days from this date, unless

4256
03:51:14,079 --> 03:51:17,079
either party, upon good cause shown, moves before said date

4257
03:51:17,520 --> 03:51:19,360
that this action should not be dismissed and should be

4258
03:51:19,360 --> 03:51:21,479
allowed to proceed upon such basis as it be shown

4259
03:51:21,680 --> 03:51:24,440
in said motion, as ordered by this Court, so ordered

4260
03:51:24,559 --> 03:51:28,159
this twelfth day of July two thousand and five. So

4261
03:51:28,239 --> 03:51:31,719
that must be the end of it, right, I imagine not?

4262
03:51:32,239 --> 03:51:35,079
I mean wanting to get an insurance company involved. They're

4263
03:51:35,479 --> 03:51:37,440
They're fine to just sit in the balcony, in the

4264
03:51:37,479 --> 03:51:41,360
catbird seed or in the cheap seats and watch their

4265
03:51:41,399 --> 03:51:45,000
business be characterized and watch their exposure be decided by

4266
03:51:45,040 --> 03:51:48,040
two third parties. Right that they wouldn't want to sue themselves,

4267
03:51:48,120 --> 03:51:48,479
would they?

4268
03:51:49,040 --> 03:51:49,200
Speaker 9: Oh?

4269
03:51:49,319 --> 03:51:52,680
Speaker 3: Boy, I invite you to pull up sid leg TIG Insurance,

4270
03:51:54,200 --> 03:51:57,319
because you better believe that after all this shit went down,

4271
03:51:58,840 --> 03:52:04,239
that ww's insurance company is going to sue wcw over

4272
03:52:04,319 --> 03:52:08,040
all of this is going to sow why we're going

4273
03:52:08,079 --> 03:52:09,760
to find out. That's what we're here to do is

4274
03:52:09,760 --> 03:52:13,399
answer questions. They want declaratory judgment. This is the TIG

4275
03:52:13,600 --> 03:52:19,600
Insurance Company filing in federal court against UWC World Championhipressing

4276
03:52:19,639 --> 03:52:22,600
Turner Sports, Johnny Lori Niitis. And here's the thing, they're

4277
03:52:22,680 --> 03:52:26,799
also suing SID. SID goes from suing all these people

4278
03:52:27,000 --> 03:52:30,479
to being sued alongside them by the insurance company. Because this,

4279
03:52:30,719 --> 03:52:35,239
my friends, is the United States of America's right and

4280
03:52:35,360 --> 03:52:36,200
this one is a duce.

4281
03:52:36,360 --> 03:52:37,719
Speaker 4: We just won't let this stand.

4282
03:52:38,000 --> 03:52:41,159
Speaker 3: We're going to characterize now for you the claims made

4283
03:52:42,360 --> 03:52:45,639
by the insurance company and why they feel they have say.

4284
03:52:45,760 --> 03:53:02,879
Speaker 1: Here, give the Lapstan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

4285
03:53:03,040 --> 03:53:06,479
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

4286
03:53:21,159 --> 03:53:25,079
He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio

4287
03:53:25,559 --> 03:53:26,280
m JP.

4288
03:53:26,200 --> 03:53:34,559
Speaker 4: Soro complaint for declaratory judgment comes now. Plaintiff TIG Insurance

4289
03:53:34,639 --> 03:53:39,079
Company and files this complaint for declaratory judgment, showing the

4290
03:53:39,200 --> 03:53:43,520
court as follows parties. Yes, I do love your insurance

4291
03:53:43,600 --> 03:53:48,760
voice great call TIG Plaintiff Hearin is incorporated under the

4292
03:53:48,840 --> 03:53:52,479
laws of California, with its principal place of business in Texas.

4293
03:53:53,959 --> 03:53:58,200
Universal Wrestling Corporation Incorporated UWC, a defendant here in was

4294
03:53:58,319 --> 03:54:03,680
formerly known as World Championship Wrestling Incorporated at WCW UWC

4295
03:54:03,879 --> 03:54:06,639
is incorporated under the laws of Georgia, with its principal

4296
03:54:06,680 --> 03:54:11,840
place of business in New York. UWC has designated the

4297
03:54:13,200 --> 03:54:18,200
designated A corporate System twelve oh one Peachtree Street, North,

4298
03:54:18,440 --> 03:54:21,719
Northeast Atlanta, Georgia three three six one as its registered

4299
03:54:21,719 --> 03:54:26,280
agent for service of process. Turner Sports Incorporated, a defendant

4300
03:54:26,319 --> 03:54:28,639
here in, is incorporated under the laws of Georgia, with

4301
03:54:28,719 --> 03:54:31,520
its principal place of business in New York. Turner Sports

4302
03:54:31,600 --> 03:54:37,920
Incorporated has designated CT Corporation System twelve oh one Peachtree Street, Northeast, Atlanta, Georgia,

4303
03:54:38,159 --> 03:54:40,360
three oh three six one as its registered agent for

4304
03:54:40,520 --> 03:54:45,520
service of process. Turner Entertainment in Corporate. Turner Entertainment Group, Incorporated,

4305
03:54:46,600 --> 03:54:49,760
a defendant here in is incorporated under the laws of Georgia,

4306
03:54:50,120 --> 03:54:53,120
with its principal place of business in New York. Turner

4307
03:54:53,239 --> 03:54:57,159
Entertainment Group, Incorporated has designated CT Corporation System twelve oh

4308
03:54:57,200 --> 03:55:02,319
one Peachtree Street, Northeast, Atlanta, Georgia, three zero three sixty

4309
03:55:02,319 --> 03:55:06,040
one as its registered agent for service of process. Sydney

4310
03:55:06,280 --> 03:55:10,399
r Udy, a defendant here, is a resident of Arkansas

4311
03:55:10,600 --> 03:55:13,200
and entered into a contract with WCW in the state

4312
03:55:13,280 --> 03:55:16,760
of Georgia. He has filed a lawsuit arising from that

4313
03:55:16,879 --> 03:55:21,520
contract in the Superior Court of Fulton County, Georgia. Johnny Laurnitis,

4314
03:55:21,559 --> 03:55:24,559
a defendants herein is a resident of Florida and seeks

4315
03:55:24,639 --> 03:55:29,120
coverage under a TIG policy delivered in Georgia for uty's

4316
03:55:29,159 --> 03:55:33,680
lawsuit presently pending in the Superior Court of Fulton County, Georgia.

4317
03:55:33,719 --> 03:55:37,799
Speaker 3: So if you heard that right, they're saying that Johnny

4318
03:55:37,840 --> 03:55:41,440
Ace turned around and sought coverage from the insurance company

4319
03:55:42,319 --> 03:55:44,559
for any damages he suffered as a result of sid

4320
03:55:44,680 --> 03:55:48,079
lawsuit against him, fucking claiming. You know, he was working

4321
03:55:48,079 --> 03:55:50,159
as an agent of w W, which was insurance.

4322
03:55:51,200 --> 03:55:54,840
Speaker 4: Don't doing what I can? I needed, I had coverage,

4323
03:55:56,239 --> 03:56:01,399
you can somebody cover it.

4324
03:56:01,479 --> 03:56:01,840
Speaker 8: Cover me.

4325
03:56:03,319 --> 03:56:06,920
Speaker 4: Who's gonna provide coverage? I can kick out it too, brother.

4326
03:56:06,959 --> 03:56:07,719
I'll cover you, dude.

4327
03:56:08,920 --> 03:56:12,239
Speaker 3: Brother, you do some help, dude, for hul Hogan can help.

4328
03:56:12,879 --> 03:56:15,040
Speaker 4: Haul Hogan can help. Once you go, lay down, dude,

4329
03:56:15,360 --> 03:56:18,040
you know. Cop your shoulders down, brother, close your eyes.

4330
03:56:19,319 --> 03:56:20,479
Whole commedia to do his business.

4331
03:56:20,520 --> 03:56:24,040
Speaker 3: Dude, it washes over you like a spirit.

4332
03:56:27,840 --> 03:56:31,600
Speaker 4: Jurisdiction and venue. This is a complete diversity of citizenship

4333
03:56:31,639 --> 03:56:35,600
between plaintive and defendants. The amount and controversy exceeds seventy

4334
03:56:35,680 --> 03:56:39,399
five thousand dollars. This Court is subject matter jurisdiction over

4335
03:56:39,479 --> 03:56:43,360
this action pursuing to twenty eight USC. Blah blah blah

4336
03:56:43,360 --> 03:56:46,399
blah blah Venue or the over this action is proper

4337
03:56:46,479 --> 03:56:49,639
in this court. Pursuing to USC blah blah blah blah blah,

4338
03:56:50,120 --> 03:56:53,159
Defendants are subject to the personal jurisdiction of this Court.

4339
03:56:53,840 --> 03:56:56,760
There is an actual controversy with respect to an insurance

4340
03:56:56,840 --> 03:57:00,120
contract delivered in Georgia for a lawsuit, depending on or

4341
03:57:00,239 --> 03:57:02,879
just such that this Court could declare the rights and

4342
03:57:03,040 --> 03:57:06,959
legal obligations of the parties. Pursued two twenty at USC.

4343
03:57:07,319 --> 03:57:12,680
Blah blah blah blah blah. Relationship between UD and WCW

4344
03:57:13,639 --> 03:57:18,079
UDI provided wrestling services pursuing to a written contract with WCW,

4345
03:57:18,319 --> 03:57:21,079
a true and complete copy of which is attached here

4346
03:57:21,159 --> 03:57:25,120
too as exhibit a employment agreement. Under the terms of

4347
03:57:25,280 --> 03:57:29,639
UT's employment agreement, WCW arranged his performances and appearances, including

4348
03:57:30,079 --> 03:57:34,239
his transportation to and from WCW scheduled events, and had

4349
03:57:34,280 --> 03:57:38,959
authority to approve his wardrobe, props and makeup. WCW also

4350
03:57:39,200 --> 03:57:43,399
owned all rights to UD's quote, name, image, likeness, character,

4351
03:57:43,520 --> 03:57:49,600
costume props, ring name, voice, logo, service marks, trademarks, trade names, signature, gimmicks, routines,

4352
03:57:49,639 --> 03:57:57,680
themes and character caricatures spelled in caricatures, which is cherricatures

4353
03:57:57,920 --> 03:58:00,319
spelled chercatures, and any and.

4354
03:58:00,479 --> 03:58:03,040
Speaker 3: Uh huh indeed you misspelled in the contract?

4355
03:58:03,719 --> 03:58:07,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, and any and all other distinctive and identifying indicia

4356
03:58:07,879 --> 03:58:13,079
as used by or associated with UD. WCW advised Udy

4357
03:58:13,239 --> 03:58:16,280
on developing his wrestling style and prepared scripts for his

4358
03:58:16,399 --> 03:58:21,120
wrestling matches that specified with the maneuvers the wrestlers were

4359
03:58:21,200 --> 03:58:23,959
to use and determine the final outcome of the matches.

4360
03:58:25,680 --> 03:58:29,319
Do y'all get that? Everyone get that, all the newspapers

4361
03:58:29,399 --> 03:58:29,639
get that.

4362
03:58:30,280 --> 03:58:33,079
Speaker 3: I mean, this is an explosive ring we're putting in here, folks.

4363
03:58:33,719 --> 03:58:36,920
Speaker 5: All right, they write scripts, they prepare them, all right,

4364
03:58:37,440 --> 03:58:39,520
they prepare move for move maneuvers.

4365
03:58:40,879 --> 03:58:41,799
Speaker 4: I'm fucking writing this, shiit.

4366
03:58:41,959 --> 03:58:44,319
Speaker 6: See, this is what I'm talking about, right, That's what

4367
03:58:44,479 --> 03:58:48,600
I'm fucking talking about. I'm going to court with these motherfuckers.

4368
03:58:48,840 --> 03:58:51,360
Speaker 4: In the courtroom writing every word down feverishly.

4369
03:58:53,559 --> 03:58:55,079
Speaker 3: And it's according to me as we go through this,

4370
03:58:55,280 --> 03:58:57,639
Like you know, we always hear about the scripts and

4371
03:58:57,680 --> 03:59:00,280
stuff and the TV writers, but what they were is

4372
03:59:00,280 --> 03:59:03,399
basically promo verbiage. They would describe the scenes of the

4373
03:59:03,479 --> 03:59:05,600
vignettes and stuff, but when it came to the matches,

4374
03:59:05,639 --> 03:59:08,440
everything I've ever seen has been very bare bones when

4375
03:59:08,440 --> 03:59:10,920
it comes to describing the actual things that happen in

4376
03:59:10,959 --> 03:59:13,440
the ring. It's up to the guys if they want

4377
03:59:13,520 --> 03:59:15,760
to to plan it out and remove. In a lot

4378
03:59:15,799 --> 03:59:18,040
of cases that they're headed to finish, of course, and

4379
03:59:18,159 --> 03:59:19,879
I guess in this case it was the finish, so

4380
03:59:19,959 --> 03:59:23,399
it probably it clearly was written down. But what a

4381
03:59:23,440 --> 03:59:25,319
way to bite them in the ass, because usually I

4382
03:59:25,440 --> 03:59:27,959
know these things aren't written down, and then you don't

4383
03:59:28,000 --> 03:59:31,319
have this whole basis to claim after the fact that

4384
03:59:31,559 --> 03:59:31,760
you know.

4385
03:59:32,799 --> 03:59:35,200
Speaker 4: Well, you know we have proof of such. We have

4386
03:59:35,319 --> 03:59:40,719
a script right here, move one locker right, hold for

4387
03:59:40,799 --> 03:59:45,120
about three seconds. Mister Udy then pushes mister Steiner to

4388
03:59:45,200 --> 03:59:49,520
the ground. Five seconds later. You've been to the second.

4389
03:59:49,600 --> 03:59:50,360
They worked to the second.

4390
03:59:50,399 --> 03:59:59,360
Speaker 3: Have you been reading ddp's notes. App again, breather for

4391
03:59:59,600 --> 04:00:00,440
five minutes.

4392
04:00:00,680 --> 04:00:05,159
Speaker 4: That's right, yet take a powder yet. UTI and WCW

4393
04:00:05,319 --> 04:00:07,479
agreed that the terms of the employment agreement would be

4394
04:00:07,520 --> 04:00:11,200
construed pursuing to Georgia law, and that any disputes would

4395
04:00:11,200 --> 04:00:13,879
be resolved in the United States District Court for the

4396
04:00:14,000 --> 04:00:18,120
Northern District of Georgia. UD and WCW further agreed Udy

4397
04:00:18,319 --> 04:00:21,959
was eligible for workers compensation benefits and that ud would

4398
04:00:21,959 --> 04:00:26,040
accept such benefits as his quote, sole and exclusive remedy

4399
04:00:26,559 --> 04:00:29,440
for all injuries sustained during the term of the employment

4400
04:00:29,479 --> 04:00:32,879
agreement under the terms of the employment agreement as construed

4401
04:00:32,920 --> 04:00:36,280
by Georgia law, and his performance of services thereunder. Udy

4402
04:00:36,760 --> 04:00:42,360
was an employee of WCW underlying lawsuit. On January fourteen,

4403
04:00:42,399 --> 04:00:44,760
two thousand and one, Udy injured his left leg during

4404
04:00:44,799 --> 04:00:49,520
a WCW wrestling match while performing a maneuver scripted by WCW.

4405
04:00:52,000 --> 04:00:56,239
I love scripted maneuvers, attorney. Was the move scripted or

4406
04:00:56,360 --> 04:00:57,680
was it not? Your honor?

4407
04:00:57,799 --> 04:01:00,959
Speaker 3: The move was in fact scripted.

4408
04:01:01,280 --> 04:01:03,040
Speaker 4: Hey, I got It's in the script.

4409
04:01:03,440 --> 04:01:06,280
Speaker 3: A hush comes over the deer, hush comes over the courthouse.

4410
04:01:07,120 --> 04:01:12,520
Speaker 4: I put it in scripted. Roof, what sir Laurie nightis?

4411
04:01:12,559 --> 04:01:16,879
Please sit down? I just put it in confusion. He's

4412
04:01:16,920 --> 04:01:18,120
got he gets it.

4413
04:01:18,319 --> 04:01:20,239
Speaker 3: For some reason, this is to yell over people, you know,

4414
04:01:20,360 --> 04:01:23,200
for some reason, there's like a crowd that's preventing him

4415
04:01:23,200 --> 04:01:23,760
from being heard.

4416
04:01:27,200 --> 04:01:29,920
Speaker 4: I did what I had to do, Like it's a murder.

4417
04:01:30,719 --> 04:01:34,799
You write things down, you let him know. Oh shit,

4418
04:01:36,399 --> 04:01:38,719
I did what I had to do. You write things down,

4419
04:01:39,000 --> 04:01:41,239
you let him know. And he's saying these things while

4420
04:01:41,280 --> 04:01:43,600
being dragged out of the courtroom by a court officer.

4421
04:01:44,600 --> 04:01:54,440
Get him out of hat. What a fucking zany fucking

4422
04:01:54,639 --> 04:02:00,520
circus this is I wrote into the script, but I

4423
04:02:00,639 --> 04:02:06,680
wrote it on the author wrote it. I did what

4424
04:02:06,799 --> 04:02:09,680
I had to do. You would do this, sign the

4425
04:02:09,760 --> 04:02:12,200
scriptwriter Minova would do the same thing if you were

4426
04:02:12,200 --> 04:02:15,159
in my shoes. You don't do the same thing. You

4427
04:02:15,319 --> 04:02:20,120
kind of write the move though always nobody knows what's

4428
04:02:20,159 --> 04:02:31,920
going on? Oh, because Udi sustained his leg injury during

4429
04:02:31,959 --> 04:02:34,159
the course of the employee of his employment by WCW.

4430
04:02:34,360 --> 04:02:37,840
He received workers compensation benefits for his leg injury from

4431
04:02:37,920 --> 04:02:41,799
a TIG workers compensation policy issued to w CW.

4432
04:02:42,200 --> 04:02:45,760
Speaker 3: So here's TIG, the workers compensation company that's paid out

4433
04:02:45,799 --> 04:02:47,159
on the policy. They want to sue.

4434
04:02:48,079 --> 04:02:50,920
Speaker 4: See, the problem is we didn't understand the term workers

4435
04:02:51,360 --> 04:02:55,000
right exactly. We have a different definition of the term

4436
04:02:55,079 --> 04:02:58,200
worker when it comes to workers compensation, a different sort

4437
04:02:58,239 --> 04:02:59,959
of compensation when it comes to fake athlete.

4438
04:03:00,120 --> 04:03:03,319
Speaker 3: You can understand our confusion. When the customer told us

4439
04:03:03,360 --> 04:03:05,920
that mister Uty suffered the injury while working.

4440
04:03:08,360 --> 04:03:10,680
Speaker 4: While on the job, what they didn't say was that

4441
04:03:10,760 --> 04:03:12,840
he was doing the job, which is a very different polity.

4442
04:03:13,040 --> 04:03:17,079
Speaker 3: He was working, all right, now that we know what

4443
04:03:17,159 --> 04:03:19,000
that means in the parlance of the industry.

4444
04:03:19,280 --> 04:03:23,040
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Beauty nevertheless filed a lawsuit in the Superior

4445
04:03:23,120 --> 04:03:26,479
Court of Fulton County against WCW, Turner Sports Incorporated, and

4446
04:03:26,600 --> 04:03:30,559
Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated, seeking to recover under common law

4447
04:03:30,719 --> 04:03:34,680
theories for injuries he allegedly received. He allegedly received shit,

4448
04:03:35,959 --> 04:03:39,280
allegedly received on January fourteenth, two thousand and one. Receive

4449
04:03:39,360 --> 04:03:42,239
you guys paid the workers' comp claim like you guys

4450
04:03:42,319 --> 04:03:45,520
determined to he actually received the injury, I would imagine.

4451
04:03:46,360 --> 04:03:49,600
You know, sometimes we do admit that we don't always

4452
04:03:49,959 --> 04:03:52,520
go line by line and read the fine print when

4453
04:03:52,559 --> 04:03:58,120
it comes to our policies. We just shell out the money. Okay, Well,

4454
04:03:58,120 --> 04:04:01,840
at least you're honest about it. True. An accurate copy

4455
04:04:01,920 --> 04:04:05,479
of the initial complaint bearing civil action number zero two

4456
04:04:06,319 --> 04:04:09,200
CV for eight five one three is a tacked tier too,

4457
04:04:09,360 --> 04:04:12,959
as exhibit B. At the time of Utie's injury, WCW

4458
04:04:13,239 --> 04:04:16,520
was a division of Turner Sports Incorporated, which was a

4459
04:04:16,559 --> 04:04:22,079
division of Turner Entertainment Group Incorporated, Turner Sports under turn Entertainment,

4460
04:04:22,159 --> 04:04:26,600
Which is it entertainment or sports?

4461
04:04:27,280 --> 04:04:30,760
Speaker 3: Your honor, what do we have here? We we respectively,

4462
04:04:31,200 --> 04:04:33,479
we respectfully submit that a jury should.

4463
04:04:33,239 --> 04:04:40,799
Speaker 4: Decide we we we respect we respectfully submit that there

4464
04:04:40,879 --> 04:04:43,959
is a confident of interest between these two organizations, and

4465
04:04:44,040 --> 04:04:48,520
we believe that a determination with a trial by jury

4466
04:04:49,239 --> 04:04:53,399
be the only way that we can finally know the truth.

4467
04:04:53,520 --> 04:04:56,159
Speaker 3: And much like Boss Professional Wrestling, and much like mister

4468
04:04:56,319 --> 04:04:59,399
Uty in this case, your honor, we respectfully submit to

4469
04:04:59,479 --> 04:05:01,040
the Gripler crosspace.

4470
04:05:03,719 --> 04:05:07,319
Speaker 4: On information and belief. UD filed an amended complaint in

4471
04:05:07,440 --> 04:05:10,360
February third, two thousand and three. The amended complaint was

4472
04:05:10,479 --> 04:05:14,559
not tendered to TIG for coverage. UD filed a second

4473
04:05:14,600 --> 04:05:17,879
amended complaint on February sixth, two thousand and three, which

4474
04:05:17,959 --> 04:05:22,479
added more claims and included Johnny and Laurinidis aka Johnny

4475
04:05:22,559 --> 04:05:25,879
Ace as a defendant. A true and complete copy of

4476
04:05:25,920 --> 04:05:29,520
the second amended complaint is attached here too as exhibit C.

4477
04:05:31,040 --> 04:05:33,360
Lauriniitis was an employee of WCW at the time of

4478
04:05:33,479 --> 04:05:40,079
UD's injury tig's coverage decisions. WCW tendered the initial complaint

4479
04:05:40,120 --> 04:05:44,040
to TIG for coverage pursuing to a commercial General Liability

4480
04:05:44,120 --> 04:05:48,000
policy issued for the period April one, two thousand to

4481
04:05:48,159 --> 04:05:51,879
April one, two thousand and one, bearing policy number TCT

4482
04:05:52,079 --> 04:05:56,000
seven zero zero zero three seven nine six four seven

4483
04:05:56,200 --> 04:05:59,600
nine nine zero two CGL.

4484
04:05:59,120 --> 04:06:01,719
Speaker 3: Policy habit of everyone who always wanted to know what

4485
04:06:02,000 --> 04:06:07,079
exact policy numbered WCW care for its commercial General Liability insurance.

4486
04:06:07,159 --> 04:06:10,559
Speaker 4: There it is there, It is right there. A true

4487
04:06:10,600 --> 04:06:13,680
and complete copy of the CGL policy is attached here.

4488
04:06:13,760 --> 04:06:18,319
Too as Exhibit D. TIG reviewed UD's initial complaint and

4489
04:06:18,399 --> 04:06:22,040
denied coverage under the CGL policy because UD was not

4490
04:06:22,159 --> 04:06:24,200
seeking damages covered by its turn.

4491
04:06:24,280 --> 04:06:29,719
Speaker 3: Initially denied coverage to SID to ww A true and well,

4492
04:06:29,760 --> 04:06:33,799
it says beauty Yeah, denied utynie uty that's true, then

4493
04:06:33,840 --> 04:06:34,399
denied UTY.

4494
04:06:35,319 --> 04:06:37,760
Speaker 4: A true and accurate copy of the denial of coverage

4495
04:06:37,799 --> 04:06:42,000
letter is attached here too as Exhibit E. Subsequent to

4496
04:06:42,120 --> 04:06:44,559
its denial of coverage for the claims asserted in the

4497
04:06:44,600 --> 04:06:48,520
initial complaint, UD's second amended complaint was tendered to TIG

4498
04:06:48,719 --> 04:06:53,120
for coverage by both WCW and Laurentiis. TIG reviewed the

4499
04:06:53,159 --> 04:06:56,719
allegations of the second amended complaint and agreed to defend

4500
04:06:56,840 --> 04:07:00,879
pursuant to a reservation of rights agreement. A true and

4501
04:07:00,959 --> 04:07:03,600
complete copy of the reservation of rights letter is attached

4502
04:07:03,639 --> 04:07:07,680
here too as Exhibit F. We have unlimited exhibits, your honor.

4503
04:07:08,639 --> 04:07:10,799
We plan to exhibit everything exhibitionists.

4504
04:07:11,520 --> 04:07:11,879
Speaker 9: We are.

4505
04:07:13,559 --> 04:07:19,319
Speaker 4: We are an exhibitious insurance company pertinent policy provisions under

4506
04:07:19,360 --> 04:07:23,239
section one coverages of the Commercial General Liability Coverage Form

4507
04:07:23,319 --> 04:07:27,120
the CGL form of the policy, TIG agree to pay

4508
04:07:27,239 --> 04:07:31,280
quote those sums that the insured becomes legally obligated to

4509
04:07:31,440 --> 04:07:36,440
pay as damages because of bodily injury or property damage

4510
04:07:36,799 --> 04:07:40,920
to which this insurance applies. However, TIG will have no

4511
04:07:41,200 --> 04:07:45,159
duty to defend the insured against any suit seeking damages

4512
04:07:45,239 --> 04:07:48,760
for bodily injury or property damage to which this insurance

4513
04:07:48,840 --> 04:07:52,559
does not apply and quote. Under section one of the

4514
04:07:52,639 --> 04:07:57,159
CGL form, quote this insurance applies to bodily injury and

4515
04:07:57,479 --> 04:08:01,639
property damage only if the boss injury or property damage

4516
04:08:01,799 --> 04:08:04,600
is caused by an occurrence that takes place in the

4517
04:08:04,760 --> 04:08:12,040
coverage territory well is that Minnesota, or is that Georgia territory,

4518
04:08:12,559 --> 04:08:15,959
and the bodily injury or property damage occurs during the

4519
04:08:16,159 --> 04:08:21,159
policy period. Under the CGL forms, Commercial General Liability Broadened

4520
04:08:21,239 --> 04:08:26,000
Coverage Endorsement, quote, bodily injury is defined as quote bodily

4521
04:08:26,079 --> 04:08:33,280
injury that's great sickness, sickness or disease sustained by a person.

4522
04:08:33,879 --> 04:08:40,079
This includes mental anguish, mental injury, shock, fright, humiliation, emotional distress,

4523
04:08:40,239 --> 04:08:44,920
or death resulting from bodily injury, sickness or disease. Under

4524
04:08:44,959 --> 04:08:48,719
section five of the CGL form, quote occurrence unquote is

4525
04:08:48,799 --> 04:08:52,799
defined as quote an accident, including continuous or repeated exposure

4526
04:08:53,200 --> 04:08:58,319
to substantially the same general harmful conditions unquote. Section one

4527
04:08:59,040 --> 04:09:03,719
of the CGL four excludes coverage for quote bodily injury

4528
04:09:03,879 --> 04:09:07,319
to quote an employee of the insured arising out of

4529
04:09:07,600 --> 04:09:11,520
and in the course of a employment by the insured,

4530
04:09:11,680 --> 04:09:14,760
or b performing duties related to the conduct of the

4531
04:09:14,879 --> 04:09:17,000
insured's business. Get that at all?

4532
04:09:17,120 --> 04:09:20,600
Speaker 3: I mean, basically, I don't understand how bodily injury doesn't

4533
04:09:20,600 --> 04:09:25,120
apply if it suffered in the course of the employment

4534
04:09:25,680 --> 04:09:28,239
of the by the insured. I don' don't understand at all.

4535
04:09:28,399 --> 04:09:31,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very sure rising out of an incurse of

4536
04:09:31,440 --> 04:09:32,399
employment by the insured.

4537
04:09:32,440 --> 04:09:35,120
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it'll make more sense as we go,

4538
04:09:35,280 --> 04:09:37,799
make it make sense. This next one is money in

4539
04:09:37,879 --> 04:09:38,360
the bank.

4540
04:09:39,040 --> 04:09:42,600
Speaker 4: Under section five of the CGL form quote employee includes

4541
04:09:42,719 --> 04:09:48,799
a least worker. Employee does not include a temporary worker.

4542
04:09:48,920 --> 04:09:52,200
Speaker 3: We're not going to say that this does not cover

4543
04:09:52,559 --> 04:09:55,040
an injury to sid because he was an independent contractor,

4544
04:09:55,079 --> 04:09:56,879
are we We are not going to.

4545
04:09:56,920 --> 04:09:59,399
Speaker 4: Quote, you know, he is not technically an employee of

4546
04:09:59,600 --> 04:10:02,600
oh organization. He is a private contractor, and we do

4547
04:10:02,760 --> 04:10:09,639
not cover private contractors. One more for the boys. Mm hmm.

4548
04:10:11,280 --> 04:10:16,040
Under section two of the CGL form, quote, WCW's employees

4549
04:10:16,120 --> 04:10:20,040
other than WCW's executive officers are insured, but only for

4550
04:10:20,239 --> 04:10:23,440
acts within the scope of their employment by WCW or

4551
04:10:23,479 --> 04:10:28,520
while performing duties related to the conduct of WCW's business. Unquote.

4552
04:10:29,280 --> 04:10:32,239
Under section two of the CGL form, employees are not

4553
04:10:32,440 --> 04:10:36,479
insured for a quote bodily injury to a co employee

4554
04:10:36,559 --> 04:10:38,959
while that co employee is either in the course of

4555
04:10:39,040 --> 04:10:41,920
his or her employment or performing duties related to the

4556
04:10:42,000 --> 04:10:46,040
conduct of WCW's business. That means god n So wait,

4557
04:10:46,239 --> 04:10:49,719
wait a minute. Employees are not insured for bottling injury

4558
04:10:49,760 --> 04:10:56,600
to a co employee, So I mean that could be

4559
04:10:57,559 --> 04:11:00,319
so if I don't understand.

4560
04:11:00,319 --> 04:11:02,360
Speaker 3: I know I don't either, So I don't know what

4561
04:11:02,399 --> 04:11:05,639
a call employee is. Notice employee and co is in parentheses.

4562
04:11:06,399 --> 04:11:12,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, well the quotes you mean. But yeah, it's very weird,

4563
04:11:12,280 --> 04:11:12,879
like why.

4564
04:11:13,559 --> 04:11:15,959
Speaker 3: It's almost what is that it's in there? Not if

4565
04:11:15,959 --> 04:11:20,639
I'm trying to read this. Employees at WW you can't

4566
04:11:20,760 --> 04:11:23,600
claim an insurance, can't go for insurance money if they

4567
04:11:23,680 --> 04:11:25,479
cause injury to another employee.

4568
04:11:27,520 --> 04:11:31,719
Speaker 4: But that's the whole business. The whole business is, you know,

4569
04:11:31,879 --> 04:11:38,520
potentially causing injury to another employee. It's pretty amazing under

4570
04:11:38,520 --> 04:11:40,680
an employment related this, I mean, this just sounds like

4571
04:11:40,719 --> 04:11:43,319
a shitty policy. It's like, why would you, why would

4572
04:11:43,319 --> 04:11:44,319
you choose this policy?

4573
04:11:45,319 --> 04:11:45,479
Speaker 5: You know?

4574
04:11:45,559 --> 04:11:48,000
Speaker 3: And to be shocked at how like impossible it is

4575
04:11:48,040 --> 04:11:49,440
to find a policy without language.

4576
04:11:50,840 --> 04:11:55,120
Speaker 4: No, I listen, I'm mad, I I imagine that, you know. Listen, listen.

4577
04:11:55,159 --> 04:11:57,799
Insurance companies don't want to pay out? God, I understand. God?

4578
04:11:57,840 --> 04:12:01,799
Do they not want to pay out under an employment

4579
04:12:01,879 --> 04:12:05,360
related practices exclusion endorsement to the CGO policy. The policy

4580
04:12:05,399 --> 04:12:08,920
does not apply to quote personal and advertising injury to

4581
04:12:09,200 --> 04:12:12,760
one a person arising out of any a refusal to

4582
04:12:12,840 --> 04:12:16,399
employ that person, termination of that person's employment, or see

4583
04:12:16,920 --> 04:12:26,440
employment related practices policies, acts, or omissions such as coercion, demotion, evaluation, reassignment, discipline, defamation, harassment,

4584
04:12:26,639 --> 04:12:35,479
humiliation or discrimination directed at that person unquote. So that's

4585
04:12:35,520 --> 04:12:39,040
all wrestling right there. Coercion, demotion, Yeah, this is not

4586
04:12:39,200 --> 04:12:42,639
the business information harassment. This is not a good policy.

4587
04:12:43,600 --> 04:12:49,280
Relief sought based on all the terms, conditions, and exclusions

4588
04:12:49,319 --> 04:12:52,360
in the policy, whether expressly mentioned or identified in this

4589
04:12:52,440 --> 04:12:55,559
complaint or not. As well, as under relevant legal principles

4590
04:12:55,600 --> 04:12:59,360
and public policy concerns. TIG seeks a declaration as to

4591
04:12:59,440 --> 04:13:04,040
its obligation to defend and or indemnify UWC. Turner, Sports,

4592
04:13:04,079 --> 04:13:06,879
Turner Entertainment Group and Lauren Eidis for the claims asserted

4593
04:13:07,200 --> 04:13:11,319
in the underlying lawsuit. Wherefore, the plaintive TIG Insurance Company

4594
04:13:11,399 --> 04:13:16,799
praise that the Court a declare that TIG Insurance Company

4595
04:13:16,840 --> 04:13:19,479
has no duty to defend or indemnify the claims made

4596
04:13:19,520 --> 04:13:23,360
in the underlying underlying lawsuit and b award such other

4597
04:13:23,520 --> 04:13:26,559
and further relief as the Court shall deem just and

4598
04:13:26,719 --> 04:13:32,280
proper respectfully respectfully submitted Freeman Mathis and Gary L. LP

4599
04:13:32,840 --> 04:13:34,680
by Philip W. Savereigns.

4600
04:13:34,680 --> 04:13:38,120
Speaker 3: So basically, Georgia Barr Number six six case, you're wondering

4601
04:13:39,079 --> 04:13:41,280
great stuff. So I mean, if so, basically they want

4602
04:13:41,319 --> 04:13:44,639
the court to tell them we actually obligated to defend

4603
04:13:44,840 --> 04:13:49,239
WCW in this lawsuit, Like, are we obligated to basically

4604
04:13:49,399 --> 04:13:52,840
cover the cost of defending this lawsuit against file by

4605
04:13:52,879 --> 04:13:57,200
sid And they're suing WCW to get that decision. It's

4606
04:13:57,360 --> 04:14:01,479
just it's such a nightmare and it involves so much foolishness.

4607
04:14:03,799 --> 04:14:08,559
It's even hard to tell how this resolves. It carries

4608
04:14:08,600 --> 04:14:10,520
through the court system for a little while. After that,

4609
04:14:10,959 --> 04:14:14,760
that complaint was filed with sid ud among the defendants

4610
04:14:14,799 --> 04:14:17,760
as well as Laurianidis. On July twenty four, two thousand

4611
04:14:17,760 --> 04:14:20,840
and three, it was it was filed and a judgment

4612
04:14:20,959 --> 04:14:23,000
was entered a year later, July thirtieth, two thousand and

4613
04:14:23,000 --> 04:14:28,360
flour four in favor of WSW against the plaintiff for

4614
04:14:28,559 --> 04:14:32,079
costs of this action. So basically, if I'm reading this correctly,

4615
04:14:34,879 --> 04:14:39,639
there was a decision that WCW basically can seek costs

4616
04:14:39,879 --> 04:14:44,840
to defend this lawsuit from the insurance company. And it's

4617
04:14:45,799 --> 04:14:50,959
it's amazing that there's more or disputes to come and

4618
04:14:51,120 --> 04:14:54,120
more issues to be hashed out. So it wasn't just

4619
04:14:54,200 --> 04:14:59,399
Sid's leg that suffered complications as a result of what

4620
04:14:59,440 --> 04:15:02,520
happened in two thousand and one. Who knows how much

4621
04:15:02,559 --> 04:15:05,120
he got, We know how much he wanted to get

4622
04:15:05,159 --> 04:15:07,879
and didn't get. But again, just another example, boss, just

4623
04:15:07,959 --> 04:15:10,520
another exhibit, if to use the parlance that we've been

4624
04:15:10,600 --> 04:15:14,280
using here in this episode, another exhibit of Sid coming

4625
04:15:14,360 --> 04:15:17,000
in and being given the ball at the top of

4626
04:15:17,079 --> 04:15:20,879
the card when everything's coming to a fucking screeching halt,

4627
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or everything is already bombed out. It's like, what future

4628
04:15:24,799 --> 04:15:27,360
is there here? You know, as he's out here. It's

4629
04:15:27,479 --> 04:15:31,040
so poetic. I think that Sid suffers this debilitating career

4630
04:15:31,159 --> 04:15:35,879
ending injury performing for a company that had absolutely no

4631
04:15:36,079 --> 04:15:39,799
traction in no future, because that's the circumstances where Sid

4632
04:15:39,879 --> 04:15:43,920
has always thrived. Yep, that's the circumstances where his phone

4633
04:15:43,959 --> 04:15:47,520
rings loudest, where the contractual offers are our richest, is

4634
04:15:47,559 --> 04:15:50,680
when a company is on the skids, When the company

4635
04:15:51,000 --> 04:15:53,959
that he's going to is losing significant amount of momentum

4636
04:15:54,319 --> 04:15:57,120
and doesn't quite know where to look and for some

4637
04:15:57,280 --> 04:16:00,120
reason for all the well, you know, some reason, for

4638
04:16:00,200 --> 04:16:02,440
all the reasons we've documented thus far in our tribute

4639
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to Sid. We know the qualities that he had that

4640
04:16:05,079 --> 04:16:08,120
caused promoter after promoter to look to him for some

4641
04:16:08,280 --> 04:16:10,680
reason when they needed to pick up that bat phone

4642
04:16:11,079 --> 04:16:14,120
and figure out a way to stem the bleeding. But

4643
04:16:14,239 --> 04:16:17,719
they did, you know, it ended up costing them in

4644
04:16:17,840 --> 04:16:22,479
so many ways. And it's just it's just hilarious that

4645
04:16:23,280 --> 04:16:27,079
ultimately Sid seeking to hang his hat on the idea

4646
04:16:27,120 --> 04:16:29,319
that he can come into a territory and move business.

4647
04:16:29,399 --> 04:16:31,879
Ended up being a point in his lawsuit that you

4648
04:16:31,959 --> 04:16:34,799
know what, you were unjustly enriched by what I brought

4649
04:16:34,840 --> 04:16:38,319
to the table. You were unjustly enriched by the magnetism

4650
04:16:38,440 --> 04:16:41,799
of my name, translating into ratings for a video of

4651
04:16:41,920 --> 04:16:46,479
my career ending being broadcast on national television. It's about

4652
04:16:46,479 --> 04:16:51,600
as Sid as it gets. And we must now reach

4653
04:16:51,719 --> 04:16:53,639
our final leg of the journey. And I use that

4654
04:16:53,879 --> 04:16:59,040
not as a pun whatsoever, because we've already got a

4655
04:16:59,079 --> 04:16:59,520
glimpse of it.

4656
04:16:59,520 --> 04:17:00,399
Speaker 4: We've got to of it.

4657
04:17:00,479 --> 04:17:04,120
Speaker 3: It was a difficult other half of life for one

4658
04:17:04,200 --> 04:17:06,360
sid Uty after this injury at sin and after all

4659
04:17:06,399 --> 04:17:10,520
the lead ramifications were figured out and sussed out. And

4660
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when we're with you next time. In the TLF Tribute

4661
04:17:13,040 --> 04:17:16,319
to sid we take you all the way from rehabbing

4662
04:17:16,399 --> 04:17:20,319
the leg to entering the grave. We'll see you next time.

4663
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Preceeding announcement as a

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Speaker 1: T J to Santus production, its contents is intended for

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private use only.