Speaker 1: Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome
Speaker 1: to William Ramsey investigates on today's show of a very
Speaker 1: special guest. His name is Robert Aarringer, E I N
Speaker 1: G Er, and he came to my attention. He's done
Speaker 1: some work on this topic that's really burning up the
Speaker 1: internet about the Epstein files. If you're watching this on
Speaker 1: my three YouTube channels ex Rumble, you'll see his substack.
Speaker 1: It's just his last name. I'll put a link to
Speaker 1: his subseck. He writes on a variety of different topics,
Speaker 1: but our intro topic is going to be the Zorro Ranch,
Speaker 1: which I think is coming into people's idea they always
Speaker 1: think of maybe Epstein is the island Florida, Palm Beach
Speaker 1: or Manhattan, but sometimes gets overlook But this is an
Speaker 1: important aspect of this whole criminal enterprise. But Robert's written
Speaker 1: many books. He spent nearly five decades in the intelligence
Speaker 1: and investigative game. Began as an undercover journalist for Fleet
Speaker 1: Street and served as a foreign correspondent for the Toronto Star.
Speaker 1: In the Toledo Blade, he infiltrated the klu Klux Klan
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three operated undercover for FBI counterintelligence from Moscow,
Speaker 1: but Vianna and beyond. In two thousand and two, Prince
Speaker 1: Albert of Monaco appointed him to Intelligence Advisor, and he
Speaker 1: went on to create the principality's first intelligence service. He
Speaker 1: lives in Monticito and where his truth questing continues over
Speaker 1: fine Pino nor nice little one country up there. I've
Speaker 1: been to Monica. It's a beautiful place as well. It
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of Monsito. Actually, it's interesting. I
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in Santa Barbara myself, but
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you're here to take because I had
Speaker 1: Eric Amielon. He was a long term FBI agent, so
Speaker 1: kind of keeping with the trend of having a lot
Speaker 1: of FBI people here. But for people who don't know you, Robert,
Speaker 1: maybe you can talk a little bit more about your bio.
Speaker 1: Pull that up to your most recent I know you're
Speaker 1: publishing a book in about a month or so. I'll
Speaker 1: try to bring the title up, but maybe you can
Speaker 1: just talk about your background to your interest in covering
Speaker 1: the Zoro ranch.
Speaker 2: Sure, thank you for having me, William, pleasure to be
Speaker 2: here with you. My background is what I call the
Speaker 2: information business. I've been involved in investigative journalism, book publishing,
Speaker 2: and intelligence, which to my thinking is all pretty much
Speaker 2: the same thing. It's about the acquisition, analysis, and dissemination
Speaker 2: of information. The only difference is in journalism you're looking
Speaker 2: for the widest possible audience, and in intelligence it's usually
Speaker 2: just a very tiny select audience of readers. I started
Speaker 2: off on Fleet Street in London, where I infiltrated the
Speaker 2: ku Klux Klan. They were trying to establish what they
Speaker 2: call a clavern in Britain, and I managed to infiltrate
Speaker 2: it early on to a point where the Imperial Wizard
Speaker 2: of South Carolina, Robert E. Skagin, invited me to travel
Speaker 2: to Spartanburg, South Carolina. In fact, he insisted on it
Speaker 2: so that I could be a officially naturalized was the
Speaker 2: word they use. They initiated into the KKK. So I
Speaker 2: and two reporters from the Sunday People newspaper traveled to Spartanburg,
Speaker 2: South Carolina, spent a week there and we were initiated
Speaker 2: into the KKK. They. In fact, after the initiation, which
Speaker 2: was done by the Imperial Wizard himself, off came the
Speaker 2: robes and hoods of all the assembled clans people around us,
Speaker 2: and out came a tape measure. Why a tape measure,
Speaker 2: because they measured us up for bespoke robes and these
Speaker 2: weren't just the normal white robes. They made us tailor
Speaker 2: made us red satin robes. The reason is they made
Speaker 2: us kleagels, which is clan speak for officer. And they
Speaker 2: did that because it was presumed we would return to
Speaker 2: Britain and lead the clan there. In fact, of course,
Speaker 2: what happened was we got back to Britain and over
Speaker 2: to successive Sunday's front page and center spread splash they
Speaker 2: call it, or used to on Fleet Street, exposed everybody involved.
Speaker 2: They scattered like rats, and that was the end of
Speaker 2: the KKK in Britain anyway. That kind of work, undercover work.
Speaker 2: I then went on to do as a specialty infiltrating
Speaker 2: extremist groups and exposing them in newspapers such as The
Speaker 2: News of the World in the Sunday Mirror and again
Speaker 2: the Sunday People, and eventually was able to put those
Speaker 2: skills to work for FBI counter intelligence. I must point
Speaker 2: out that I was never fully employed by the FBI.
Speaker 2: I was never a special agent, nor have I ever
Speaker 2: purported to be. I was a subcontractor, and it was
Speaker 2: based on doing the kinds of ruses for the Bureau
Speaker 2: that I had been doing in journalism. The difference, of course,
Speaker 2: is now instead of a wide audience, it was a select,
Speaker 2: very small audience, maybe of three or four persons within
Speaker 2: the Bureau, because my identity was strictly guarded. And I
Speaker 2: wrote about that particular period of my life in a
Speaker 2: book called Ruse Undercover with FBI counter Intelligence that was
Speaker 2: published in two thousand and eight by Potomac Books, and
Speaker 2: I talk about the missions that I did for the Bureau,
Speaker 2: starting with the attempt to rendition Edward Lee Howard, who
Speaker 2: was the only former CIA guy to ever successfully defect
Speaker 2: to Moscow. He did that in nineteen eighty five, which
Speaker 2: was known as the Year of the Spy, and he
Speaker 2: was living there in the early nineteen nineties, actually from
Speaker 2: nineteen nine, nineteen eighty five onward in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 2: and interesting opportunity arose whereby Howard wanted to write a book.
Speaker 2: He did in fact write that book. It was called Safehouse,
Speaker 2: and I became his editor. Except what he didn't know
Speaker 2: was that I was really working undercover secretly for the FBI,
Speaker 2: and the idea was to get to know him, befriend him,
Speaker 2: and try to figure out a way to lure him
Speaker 2: back to the United States to face the music. That
Speaker 2: went on for a bit. It went on for a
Speaker 2: few years. In fact, we could have renditioned Edward Lee Howard.
Speaker 2: Everything was in place to do that, and the Bureau
Speaker 2: was very gung ho in association with the CIA. However,
Speaker 2: at the eleventh hour, when we knew where Howard would
Speaker 2: be where we could nail him, the Clinton White House
Speaker 2: intervened and aborted the mission, so the FBI was not
Speaker 2: allowed to get its man, and Edward Lee Howard continued
Speaker 2: to operate freely, at least inside Russia, and he would
Speaker 2: travel throughout Europe as well, until he met in untimely
Speaker 2: death in two thousand I believe it was two thousand
Speaker 2: and two July two thousand and two, when, at the
Speaker 2: age of I believe he was fifty or fifty one,
Speaker 2: he supposedly fell down a flight of stairs at his
Speaker 2: Datcha and broke his neck. And the problem with what
Speaker 2: the Russians said about that is his Dodga didn't have
Speaker 2: a basement. But I've never much trusted the old KGB,
Speaker 2: still don't anyway. My work for the Bureau went on
Speaker 2: and on and on, not only doing edward ly Howard,
Speaker 2: but rusing the former chairman of the KGB, Vladimir Krytshkov,
Speaker 2: and getting to know Howard's Cuban contacts, which led me
Speaker 2: to the Cuban Mission and those doing espionage and for
Speaker 2: the among the Cubans in Washington, d c. For a
Speaker 2: couple of interesting chapters in that book, and eventually I
Speaker 2: crossed the line from counterintelligence to criminal investigations to try
Speaker 2: to hasten the extradition of Ira Einhorn from France. He'd
Speaker 2: been hunted a wanted fugitive for a few decades for
Speaker 2: murdering his girlfriend in Philadelphia in the late nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: That too put her in that that's right, he mummified her.
Speaker 2: In fact, when the FBI finally rated his apartment in
Speaker 2: Philadelphia and they broke down the closet that was locked
Speaker 2: and they found the mummified remains, they also found a
Speaker 2: library book at how to Mummify a human being. As
Speaker 2: you can imagine, that was evidence against him, partly, except
Speaker 2: he absconded and ended up on the run for a
Speaker 2: number of years until he was discovered in France. It
Speaker 2: was my job to get to know him again as
Speaker 2: a purporting to be a book editor. I convinced Ira
Speaker 2: that he was going to be a best selling author
Speaker 2: and that I would ensure that his books got published.
Speaker 2: And then he began to uh, well from there, finally.
Speaker 1: Wasn't he wasn't he assisted by the one of the
Speaker 1: Braffman hears or something one of the worst initially that
Speaker 1: was a precursor to the Nexium was like the same
Speaker 1: woman was involved.
Speaker 2: That's right. He was very popular for whatever reason, rather charismatic.
Speaker 2: I didn't get that myself, but when I met him
Speaker 2: at his farmhouse in France, but I guess he'd aged
Speaker 2: a bit. And we're talking about the late nineteen nineties,
Speaker 2: ninety eight, ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine. It went
Speaker 2: on for a bit. The French, who were we were
Speaker 2: stringing us along in terms of when we finally when
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia investigator who'd been hunting Einorn for years finally
Speaker 2: discovered his whereabouts, the French arrested him, but then they
Speaker 2: let him go a few days later and and extradition
Speaker 2: proceedings got launched, but the French kept dragging their feet,
Speaker 2: dragging their feet. They would tell the United States the DOJ, well,
Speaker 2: we can't extrade him because we don't believe in the
Speaker 2: death penalty. And you have that in Pennsylvania where he
Speaker 2: would be tried. And they turn around and say, well,
Speaker 2: we've already passed a special law just for that to
Speaker 2: say that we won't. We will give Ira Einhorn a
Speaker 2: new trial. They did try him, they had tried him
Speaker 2: in absentia and he'd been sentenced I think, to death,
Speaker 2: and they said we will. It was actually a law,
Speaker 2: the legislature passed it. We will give Ira Einhorn a
Speaker 2: new trial, so please please hand him over. So then
Speaker 2: the French said, well, we don't believe in in in
Speaker 2: trials in absentia. They just kept dragging and dragging, and finally,
Speaker 2: my I would think that my intervention is what caused
Speaker 2: the French to finally capitulate and hand him back. If
Speaker 2: you want to hear that story really quickly, it's because, yeah,
Speaker 2: what happened was Einhorn knew that sooner or later he
Speaker 2: was probably gonna get extra out of the United States.
Speaker 2: And I went over as his book editor and suggested
Speaker 2: that he go to Poland, that we create a whole
Speaker 2: new life for him in Crackout. That is me the publisher,
Speaker 2: not the FBI, even though they were supporting the whole thing,
Speaker 2: but of course they know what I'm doing. We will
Speaker 2: you a person like you belongs in a wonderful city
Speaker 2: like Kracko in southern Poland, because it's very artsy and
Speaker 2: it'll be good publicity for your book to have absconded again.
Speaker 2: So he he liked that idea. He loved being stroked.
Speaker 2: He had a very huge ego, Einhorn, But he said
Speaker 2: he had a better idea that his lawyers and others
Speaker 2: around him had been prompting him to go to Cuba,
Speaker 2: where Cuba was where still to this day, American criminals
Speaker 2: roam free if you could call Havana and Cuba free.
Speaker 2: Joanne Schesemard, the black panther lady who killed a New
Speaker 2: Jersey State trooper, was living in Havana at the time.
Speaker 2: She since passed away, and it was explained to Einhorn
Speaker 2: that would probably be his best bet. Well, he had
Speaker 2: the misfortune of telling me this at a time when
Speaker 2: John Ashcroft, who was the Attorney General, was just about
Speaker 2: to have a meeting with Holly Maddox's siblings. Holly Maddox
Speaker 2: was the beautiful young lady who Einhorn bludgeoned to death
Speaker 2: and then mummified in his home. So when I got
Speaker 2: back from my trip to see Einhorn, and I told
Speaker 2: I was working with the FBI agents from the ATBI
Speaker 2: Fugitive Squad in Philadelphia. And when I explained what Einhorner
Speaker 2: was going to do, John Ashcroft was apparently livid and
Speaker 2: got on the phone to the French counterparts over there
Speaker 2: and said, you know, if he gets away and ends
Speaker 2: up in Cuba, that's going to be hell to pay.
Speaker 2: We understand from our own sources that's what he has
Speaker 2: in mind, and you better not let it happen. Lo
Speaker 2: and behold. One week later, way many months ahead of
Speaker 2: what was supposed to be the next hearing, although it
Speaker 2: was supposed to be a minor one about his extradition.
Speaker 2: One week later, all of a sudden, the court in Bordeaux,
Speaker 2: France said you're expected in court in a week and
Speaker 2: we're going to decide extradition. He was blown away, couldn't
Speaker 2: believe it and showed up in court, and they decided,
Speaker 2: they judged that he would be extra died. So he
Speaker 2: sort of did what he told me he was going
Speaker 2: to do what he told me was going to do.
Speaker 2: He'd never go back to the United States, that he
Speaker 2: would prefer to kill himself, and that what he was
Speaker 2: going to do is immolate himself in flames like the
Speaker 2: Vietnamese monks did to protest rulers of Vietnam back in
Speaker 2: the early sixties. And he did go through the motions.
Speaker 2: He invited French media crews into the kitchen of his
Speaker 2: farmhouse and took out a butter knife and punctured his neck.
Speaker 2: But of course an ambulance was called. He was bandaged up.
Speaker 2: There really wasn't a serious injury. They gave him a
Speaker 2: few days to recuperate, and then the gendarmes arrived to
Speaker 2: put him in their vehicle, drive him to char Degaul
Speaker 2: Airport in Paris, and hand him over to my two
Speaker 2: buddies in the fugitive squad where he was put in handcuffs,
Speaker 2: put on plane, and flown back to the United States.
Speaker 2: True to the true to their word, they provided him
Speaker 2: a new trial. It took the jurors only four hours
Speaker 2: to convict him of murder, and he spent the rest
Speaker 2: of his life at Hootsdale State Penitentiary, from which he
Speaker 2: wrote me a letter six months after he after he
Speaker 2: was in prison, and say, what happened to you? Where
Speaker 2: are you? You were supposed to publish my book?
Speaker 1: So he never got onto the ruse?
Speaker 2: You never did? Yeah? Well, sorry about that long story
Speaker 2: about the FBI. I know we want to talk about
Speaker 2: Monaco and I do.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Grace Kelly, Grace Kelly's son,
Speaker 1: the Order of the Solar Temple. Are you familiar with that?
Speaker 2: Uh? Second, the Order of.
Speaker 1: The Solar Temple, because that's where Grace Kelly when she
Speaker 1: supposedly drove off the cliffs, she ended up on property
Speaker 1: of this cult called the Order of the Solar Temple.
Speaker 1: You heard about that?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm aware of her affiliation with that group,
Speaker 2: and I believe that's probably true. Whether it had a
Speaker 2: connection to her death or not, I'd be less. Although
Speaker 2: I do think there is some question about whether the
Speaker 2: Italian mafia was involved in her sad, tragic demise, believe
Speaker 2: it or not, you I think she was only fifty
Speaker 2: two at the time, but there was something very mysteriously
Speaker 2: wrong with her breaks, and she chose the wrong roads
Speaker 2: to go down. I know that trio of curves that
Speaker 2: exist coming down from Letter B into Monaco treacherous, but
Speaker 2: with breaks not working fatal in her case. Certainly there
Speaker 2: was a mafia connection in the death of Stefano Kasaragi,
Speaker 2: who was Caroline's Princess, Caroline's husband who died in the
Speaker 2: tragic yacht racing accident. I believe that was in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety where his boat flipped mysteriously and he was killed,
Speaker 2: and then after he was buried at Monaco's cathedral, there
Speaker 2: are persons who tried to steal his corpse, and that
Speaker 2: has been associated with the Italian mafia, partly because of
Speaker 2: promises that had been made about their ability to penetrate
Speaker 2: Monaco's very lucrative real estate market and they went undelivered.
Speaker 2: There's huge fights that go on all the way up
Speaker 2: until today over real estate Monaco. Monico's probably cost more
Speaker 2: per square foot than anywhere else in the world, and
Speaker 2: building has always been the big money spinner there and
Speaker 2: most of the corruption relates to that business. Sorry, once again,
Speaker 2: I've gone off on a tangent.
Speaker 1: No, it's actually people don't understand the attraction, the allure
Speaker 1: of Monaco. It's a small principality, it's run by a
Speaker 1: family hereditary monarchy. Right, but low taxes are tax.
Speaker 2: Atment, right, Well, it is a tax ave for most people,
Speaker 2: not Americans, because if you are an American citizen, you
Speaker 2: are obliged to file income tax returns wherever in the
Speaker 2: world you live, so Americans don't find it a tax haven.
Speaker 2: But if you're British, Swedish, any other number of European nationalities,
Speaker 2: if you live or claim to live full time in Monaco,
Speaker 2: you do not have to pay tax to your country
Speaker 2: of birth or where even you spend some time.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Wow? So how did you come by, like, you know,
Speaker 1: as an American getting into becoming an intel asset for
Speaker 1: the failure there?
Speaker 2: Like most of my life. Serendipitously, I was involved in
Speaker 2: book publishing in the late nineteen eighties and the opportunity
Speaker 2: arose to move to Monaco, and I thought, well, being
Speaker 2: much younger than I am now, of course, the sense
Speaker 2: of adventure overtook me, and I uprooted to Monico for
Speaker 2: a couple of years, rationalizing that I would scout literary talent,
Speaker 2: since at that time I was representing authors with books.
Speaker 2: I handled William Colby's book about Vietnam Lost Victory in
Speaker 2: Robert Kupperman's book Final Warning about terrorism, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to do the same thing. The bad news is I
Speaker 2: never really discovered any literary talent in Monaco. But I
Speaker 2: did make friends with Prince Albert, got to know him others.
Speaker 2: It's a very small community generally. I mean the country
Speaker 2: itself was only a mile and a half square. It's
Speaker 2: comprised was then of about thirty five different nationalities. The
Speaker 2: Monogasques are outnumbered in their own country, but among the
Speaker 2: Prince Kelly's son, right yeah, Prince Albert is Grace Kelly's
Speaker 2: son and the son of Prince Regnier, who at that
Speaker 2: time was the monarch in Monaco and led with an
Speaker 2: iron fist. Got to know Albert, and then I disappeared
Speaker 2: from Monaco, went to Washington, d C. Connected with Claire George.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to write a book, so instead he
Speaker 2: and I went into the private sector intelligence business. Almost
Speaker 2: as a joke. We sat outside the Chevy Chase club
Speaker 2: and when he told me he wasn't going to write
Speaker 2: a book after all. He said, well, maybe we can
Speaker 2: do something else together. And I said, well, I solve
Speaker 2: people's problems and he said yeah. And I said, but
Speaker 2: only billionaires and royalty and he said that sounds good,
Speaker 2: and lo and behold, within a couple of months we
Speaker 2: had a billionaire and a member of a royal family,
Speaker 2: not Albert Monico, but a titled aristocrat as clients. And
Speaker 2: we did very well with that. And as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: I got involved with counterintelligence work for the FBI and
Speaker 2: did that through the nineteen nineties. When my work for
Speaker 2: the bureau ended, around two thousand and one, I saw
Speaker 2: Albert and we talked about his concern of the Russian
Speaker 2: surge into the South France, the French Riviera. The Russians
Speaker 2: through the nineties have been predominantly laundering money in Switzerland
Speaker 2: that was there, that was there out of home base.
Speaker 2: But the Swiss had enough and told him to move on,
Speaker 2: and they did, and they were beginning to move into
Speaker 2: the south of France. Albert had concerns about that. He
Speaker 2: also had concerns about various people from all kinds of
Speaker 2: nationalities because Monaco's a melting pot and the crossroads of
Speaker 2: everybody everywhere around the globe, especially wealthy people, and he
Speaker 2: had concerns about some of the people who were trying
Speaker 2: to enter his social orbit, as everybody tries to do
Speaker 2: in Monaco. In fact, the ongoing contest is who can
Speaker 2: brown their nose the deepest. So he thought it would
Speaker 2: be a good idea to retain me as his intelligence advisor,
Speaker 2: specifically to look into the Russian influence in Monaco, but
Speaker 2: also to check out various persons who were trying to
Speaker 2: enter his social orbit, and retained me in June of
Speaker 2: two thousand and two to do that. The first thing
Speaker 2: I did was I realized that on my own, and
Speaker 2: with some contacts I had that I brought into the
Speaker 2: situation with me, we would not be able to provide
Speaker 2: Albert with the kind of intelligence we really needed to
Speaker 2: unless we had some assistance that didn't cost us any money.
Speaker 2: So I embarked on creating liaison relationships with other intelligence services,
Speaker 2: primarily at first the CIA and Britain's six. And my
Speaker 2: pitch was very simply that pretty soon Prince Albert de Monico,
Speaker 2: once his father passed, would be the monarch, and he
Speaker 2: wanted to do something about the corruption in Monaco and
Speaker 2: about money laundering, so they very kindly signed on. We
Speaker 2: created liaison relationships and whenever I needed to know about
Speaker 2: any topic or individual, all I had to do was
Speaker 2: provide them the names, and they would run traces and
Speaker 2: they would provide what I needed to give to Albert
Speaker 2: so that he could be better informed. On top of which,
Speaker 2: Cia M I six offered to come brief him on
Speaker 2: any given subject. Once we had David Steel of the
Speaker 2: famous Steele dossier. At that time, he was apparently running
Speaker 2: Russia House, the Russian Division inside I six, and he
Speaker 2: personally came to Monaco to brief Albert and me on
Speaker 2: Putin and Russia. He was very polished, very professional. It
Speaker 2: was a great briefing. Sorry that he ventured off in private,
Speaker 2: the private sector and went a wrong direction. That was
Speaker 2: later explained to me how that can have and we
Speaker 2: can get back to it, but I don't want it
Speaker 2: to interfere with what we're talking about here. I organized
Speaker 2: liaison relationships. When Prince Regnier passed in April two thousand
Speaker 2: and five and Albert ascended the throne, my role changed.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, let me have a little bit of water here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean It is interesting. I mean what I
Speaker 1: know that the Russians kind of came into south of
Speaker 1: France pretty strong before twenty fourteen, before the conflict started, yep,
Speaker 1: But like, what was the kind of how would they
Speaker 1: launder their money, how would they launder their assets from
Speaker 1: the Putin era? I guess it would be the post just.
Speaker 2: Normal confidential banking in Monaco banking at that time, anybody
Speaker 2: come in and launder money. It's not as easy now,
Speaker 2: but it's easier in Monaco than in most places because
Speaker 2: a lot of people have had to reform, or the
Speaker 2: international financial community will. We'll put them on a gray
Speaker 2: list or a black list and they won't be able
Speaker 2: to communicate with the rest of the world. But back then,
Speaker 2: in the early aughts, anybody could open. Well, you'd have
Speaker 2: to have a bunch of money. But if you were
Speaker 2: a Russian coming in, the banks were glad to have you.
Speaker 2: You show up with ten million dollars, even in cash
Speaker 2: and suitcases, and you have an account. And that may
Speaker 2: still happen today, although less likely. I'm sure they've gotten
Speaker 2: far more sophisticated about that. But that's the answer confidential banking.
Speaker 2: I was saying earlier that after Prince Albert ascended the throne,
Speaker 2: I created the Monaco Intelligence Service. I no longer had
Speaker 2: to be just intelligence advisor. I created a service because
Speaker 2: that's what it was at that point, and it needed
Speaker 2: to be, because we then embarked on creating a whole
Speaker 2: new slew of relationships with foreign intelligence services all around Europe.
Speaker 2: And it was very productive for us because once again
Speaker 2: we could get whatever information we needed quick on just
Speaker 2: about anything and everything. And I went on to then
Speaker 2: begin to assemble the various financial intelligence units of the
Speaker 2: micro European states, states like Luxembourg, Malta, San Marino which
Speaker 2: is surrounded by Italy, and Liechtenstein, and discovered that before
Speaker 2: my arrival on the scene to try to organize them,
Speaker 2: there was absolutely no meaningful contact between the financial intelligence units.
Speaker 2: Luxembourg actually had and still has a proper intelligence service,
Speaker 2: but the smaller states they never got beyond financial intelligence
Speaker 2: units within their police departments. Well, I created an association
Speaker 2: of micro European intelligence services and we began to have meetings,
Speaker 2: and we created a common shield among us so that
Speaker 2: we could keep each other informed about what Russians or
Speaker 2: other nationalities were popping from one tax haven micro state
Speaker 2: to another looking for banks to launder their money in.
Speaker 1: All right, So was this kind of the heraldry radio
Speaker 1: the Monaco Intelligence Services?
Speaker 2: Uh, that's yes, yes, yeah. In fact, I was working
Speaker 2: with Prince at one point, starting around two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: I brought into our service Prince Albert's cousin, men by
Speaker 2: the name of John Leonardo de Massi, uh, and he
Speaker 2: was the guy who then kind of helped us officialize
Speaker 2: and struckt these badges and so on, just so we
Speaker 2: could just so we could go to foreign intelligence agencies
Speaker 2: and say, see, we really exist, we were real. A
Speaker 2: lot of them needed more than that. In fact, almost
Speaker 2: every intelligence service that had a relationship with US first
Speaker 2: would come to Monaco and they would meet Prince Albert
Speaker 2: in person at the safehouse that I kept in Monaco,
Speaker 2: and only then were they satisfied that this was real
Speaker 2: and that we were often running with an information.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not very big. I think it's under twenty thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was there, it was more like thirty
Speaker 2: thirty plus. Now it's higher because they've created a lot
Speaker 2: more space in the last fifteen years. A lot more
Speaker 2: buildings have gone up, and it's closer to forty thousand, now.
Speaker 1: Forty thousand, like permanent residents, like people who were like not.
Speaker 2: Well they called the foreign residents call themselves permanent residents,
Speaker 2: and that's how they're able to renew their residency permits
Speaker 2: every few years. But most of them just use it
Speaker 2: as a as an official residence and then they do
Speaker 2: things like run up their electricity bills by keeping the
Speaker 2: lights on so they can when they're called in for
Speaker 2: an interview, they can try to prove that they're actually
Speaker 2: living there full time.
Speaker 1: And this is the cover of your upcoming book here
Speaker 1: Spymaster of Monta Carlo that's come in. That's for all
Speaker 1: every plane, Bob Bear, which is strange thing. I've had
Speaker 1: another guest on here who went to school the Valerie
Speaker 1: Plane and he wrote a book called Ruths. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of a weird sychronicity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a good guy. I like Bob. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you've had some there. There's some of these famed names,
Speaker 1: Bill Cooper and all that other stuff. So how long
Speaker 1: was your stint in Monte Carlo.
Speaker 2: Five and a half years. It went on until about
Speaker 2: the end of two thousand and seven, at which point
Speaker 2: it became clear to me, or it became clear to
Speaker 2: Albert first and then clear to me that he really
Speaker 2: wasn't going to clean up the principality the way he
Speaker 2: promised to his subjects and to all of the intelligence
Speaker 2: services that I had sold pitched on the fact that
Speaker 2: he was going to clean up the principality. So he
Speaker 2: let everybody down. He let he gave his at his
Speaker 2: speech when he in July of two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: when he officially was his investiture, he announced a new
Speaker 2: ethic in Monaco where he was going to clean every
Speaker 2: thing up. Of course, it alarmed everybody who was doing
Speaker 2: dirty stuff in Monaco, including most of his ministers and
Speaker 2: uh and others.
Speaker 1: Dirty stuff. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2: Corruption and money lot money. Yeah, corruption and money laundery.
Speaker 2: That's what he wanted to clean up, or at least
Speaker 2: so he said. I think he meant it at the time.
Speaker 2: And but he let down his subjects.
Speaker 1: He let down what type when you say corruption, what
Speaker 1: type of corruption? Oh? What were they doing like stealing
Speaker 1: tax money?
Speaker 2: Or well no, but for example, I'm going to use
Speaker 2: the example of his own palace accountants, who a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago let me go back his own politic
Speaker 2: palace accountant was engaged in UH real estate corruption by
Speaker 2: aligning himself with real estate interests who were bidding on
Speaker 2: major projects in Monaco, UH secretly working for them while
Speaker 2: influencing the prints about where to go and who to
Speaker 2: give the bid to in exchange for a secret stake
Speaker 2: lots of money. That's a good example right there. It
Speaker 2: took in fact, we investigated the guy, and we investigated
Speaker 2: Albert's personal lawyer and pointed out to Prince Albert that
Speaker 2: they were both terribly corrupt. Albert didn't want to know,
Speaker 2: he didn't believe it. What happens just a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, would all caught up with him and the
Speaker 2: palace accountant, whose name was Claude Palmero, was evicted from
Speaker 2: the palace, escorted to his car by the carabinieri and
Speaker 2: has been at war with the palace ever since. There's
Speaker 2: a big fight going on in Monaco between the Palace
Speaker 2: and the ex palace accountant, who Albert knew was corrupt
Speaker 2: twenty years ago but didn't do anything about it. Then
Speaker 2: only finally did something a few years ago when the
Speaker 2: French media exposed his corruption.
Speaker 1: Got it for people who don't know. Monaco's right there
Speaker 1: on border between France and Italy, so it's literally like
Speaker 1: in between them both very tiny Prince Valley. So after
Speaker 1: you left you kind of have, you know, writing other books.
Speaker 1: You're Montecito, You're in California, and then you started a
Speaker 1: substack And what made you interested in covering New Mexico
Speaker 1: and Bill Richardson's connection to it.
Speaker 2: Well, like so many journalists, I've been following the Epstein case,
Speaker 2: Epstein case, and now the Epstein files with great interest,
Speaker 2: and it was surprising to me to discover that although
Speaker 2: they had searched Epstein's various properties, that they never really
Speaker 2: did a search of Zoro Ranch, which was his mansion
Speaker 2: like property in New Mexico. And I suspect the reason
Speaker 2: for that was the influence of Bill Richardson, who was
Speaker 2: a two term governor of New Mexico in addition to
Speaker 2: having cabinet jobs in the administration of Bill Clinton. I
Speaker 2: believe he was the Energy Secretary. And Richardson got implicated
Speaker 2: in the Epstein stuff by merit of Virginia Goufre, who
Speaker 2: accused Andrew of having sex with her when she was
Speaker 2: only seventeen years old. Andrew denied it, and now those
Speaker 2: denials are now all proving to be false. She also
Speaker 2: said that when she was in New Mexico, she had
Speaker 2: sex at the age of seventeen with Bill Richardson. He
Speaker 2: denied it. He's no longer alive. He passed away a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. But there is no reason to
Speaker 2: disbelieve Virginia Goofred at this point because we now know
Speaker 2: she was telling the truth about Andrew. Why would she
Speaker 2: make something up about Bill Richardson. So to me, that's
Speaker 2: the interesting connection about why nothing ever got done about
Speaker 2: his ranch searching it even though in twenty nineteen, according
Speaker 2: to an email in the Epstein files, somebody informed the
Speaker 2: FBI that the bodies of two foreign females are buried
Speaker 2: somewhere on the grounds of Zoro Ranch. So the question
Speaker 2: is what happened? Did the FBI not think to send
Speaker 2: Cadava dogs Kdeva dogs, not search, not look around for
Speaker 2: dead bodies? Apparently nothing happened at all? Why did nothing happen?
Speaker 2: These are good questions. Only now that this has come out,
Speaker 2: that particular email from the Epstein files has the New
Speaker 2: Mexico legislators have New Mexico legislators just last week decided
Speaker 2: to open an investigation into Zoro Ranch. Why did the
Speaker 2: FBI sit on it all this time? It's there's more
Speaker 2: to come out, much more to come out. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: I think so too. There's a lot of the dark
Speaker 2: evidence of Epstein traffic.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least in the files of him going
Speaker 1: to Mexico to abuse kids, and New Mexico's fairly close
Speaker 1: to the Mexican border, and him being in Warres in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, which is a huge town. That's another one
Speaker 1: of these files. And there's no reason to go to
Speaker 1: Warres on his list of options. If he can go
Speaker 1: to Paris and New York and Miami and the Caribbean,
Speaker 1: there's only one reason to go to Warres. And what's
Speaker 1: it notorious for trafficking?
Speaker 2: Right? Absolutely? Absolutely. And I'll tell you something I found interesting.
Speaker 2: I was in New Mexico coming up three years ago.
Speaker 2: I was in Santa Fe and I was staying at
Speaker 2: the Anasazi Hotel. Went to the bar there. Bill Richardson
Speaker 2: was still alive then. It was a few months before
Speaker 2: he passed, by the way, he was a very young
Speaker 2: man when he passed. And they've never said why. They
Speaker 2: just say of natural died in his sleep at his
Speaker 2: summer home in Chatham, Massachusetts, but never said how or why. Well,
Speaker 2: when I was there, and I was in the Anasazi bar,
Speaker 2: probably the you know, the most upmarket bar is Santa Fe,
Speaker 2: and struck up a conversation with a bartender who told
Speaker 2: me that Bill Richardson would come in all the time.
Speaker 2: But the problem with that was he drank too much.
Speaker 2: He was very bitter, drank too much and was extremely argumentative.
Speaker 2: And I didn't put that together with Epstein back then,
Speaker 2: even though he'd already been accused by Virginia Gouffray. But
Speaker 2: clearly he didn't end his life. His last few years
Speaker 2: were not very happy. I think he had a sense
Speaker 2: of what was coming down the pike and how whatever
Speaker 2: legacy he might have was going to be in tatters.
Speaker 2: That's what I wrote about on my substack post.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it still is here. He is with Bill Clinton,
Speaker 1: which you never want to be a pictures Frey and
Speaker 1: Santa Fe. I haven't seen this picture.
Speaker 2: But it just it's new. It came out of the
Speaker 2: recently released Epstein files.
Speaker 1: Okay, I wasn't aware of that. Well, so it's just incredible.
Speaker 1: Have you heard what the guy who was the former
Speaker 1: head he managed The Grateful Dead, the father of Courtney
Speaker 1: Love said about Zero Ranch? Not dark stuff was going
Speaker 1: on there. Let me see if I can find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, especially if you've got this suggestion that two
Speaker 2: bodies are buried there. Maybe there's more than just two.
Speaker 2: And once again, what are they going to find? Now?
Speaker 2: They say they're investigating, but who's in charge of the investigation.
Speaker 2: You can't you really can't trust the investigators anymore?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. Can you trust the state investigators?
Speaker 3: I mean in New Mexico, Like I don't know, really
Speaker 3: depends on how influential Bill Richard Bill Richardson continues to
Speaker 3: be with those aligned with him or or maybe were involved.
Speaker 2: After all, it was in New Mexico. Who else from
Speaker 2: New Mexico politics or business was at Zoro Ranch? They
Speaker 2: had to have every reason to want to kill an
Speaker 2: investigation into the place, right, Maybe that's where the real
Speaker 2: eyes wide shut room is is in Zoro Ranch. I
Speaker 2: think Stanley Kubrick was onto something when he made that
Speaker 2: movie in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: He really was. I mean. The other thing about Zorro
Speaker 1: was there was like a cop who lived around there
Speaker 1: and said that there was a barn there that he
Speaker 1: thought there was an incinerator. Have you heard that one?
Speaker 2: I have not, but it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me see. Let me see what I can bring
Speaker 1: this one up. This is incredible, Like I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find this other other one, but I'll share this.
Speaker 1: You can find this. I don't know if you've like
Speaker 1: looked through the files, but you can find this one
Speaker 1: at EFTA zero one two four nine six two three. Basically,
Speaker 1: he says, I live in the neighborhood of a property
Speaker 1: owned by Jeffrey Epstein. Property which is on Zoro Ranch,
Speaker 1: Worlds Daley, New Mexico's, recently had a large barn constructed.
Speaker 1: Barn is suspicious as there's a garage door that appears
Speaker 1: to be a sally port, there's a chimney. Blank is
Speaker 1: concerned that the property could potentially have an incinerator concealed
Speaker 1: behind the bar. Is there rumors the property was used
Speaker 1: for recruited girls to visit with Epstein, but he has
Speaker 1: no factual evidence to support this claim.
Speaker 2: Rumors.
Speaker 1: Blank heard that rumors that girls from Albuquerque and the
Speaker 1: Moriarty area who recruited for Epstein. Blank patrolled this area
Speaker 1: for fifteen years before he retired, So this is somebody
Speaker 1: who's kind of familiar with that area.
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean that that bodes badly and and and
Speaker 2: and what And Epstein would have had total protection from
Speaker 2: the governor, from Bill Richardson.
Speaker 1: Because he's blackmailed. Right, So we know Jeff Race said that,
Speaker 1: you know somebody was sent there, but well who else
Speaker 1: was sent to Bill Richardson?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Like maybe things.
Speaker 2: Going on, but there's all you know, the talk continues
Speaker 2: as to who he may have really been working for
Speaker 2: or proved lighting evidence he's probably been providing stuff to
Speaker 2: a number of intelligence entities because for himself it was
Speaker 2: all about leverage and new influence.
Speaker 1: And well maybe you can expand on that because he
Speaker 1: seemed to have connections with the CIA masaude you know,
Speaker 1: through his through Robert Maxwell, all kinds of stuff, like
Speaker 1: he seems to have kept going with the Maxwell kind
Speaker 1: of operation. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then because of the Maxwell connection, I think
Speaker 2: Masad in Israel is the most obvious of who if
Speaker 2: he did have intelligence connections, who he would be ultimately
Speaker 2: working for and creating honeypot traps for Compromot to be
Speaker 2: able to leverage as needed by whichever intelligence service, perhaps
Speaker 2: Masad to for light light leverage. Yes, it's it's blackmail,
Speaker 2: for sure, but but it's common in the intelligence services
Speaker 2: and it and it's seems like Epstein had everything wired
Speaker 2: up and was recording everything that was going on there.
Speaker 2: And we've yet to see a bunch of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Hopefully we will get a chance to down the road.
Speaker 2: But yes, I think it's completely plausible that he was
Speaker 2: serving an intelligence service, and maybe more than one.
Speaker 1: Which wouldn't be the first. So he's like a triple
Speaker 1: spy or triple agent or something. They talked about double agents,
Speaker 1: but like showing somebody something or and that's how he
Speaker 1: gets away with it, right.
Speaker 2: And he was working. He was working everyone. It was working.
Speaker 2: He was working everyone he possibly.
Speaker 1: Could, which is smart. That's how you keep from getting arrested,
Speaker 1: just like Whitey Bulger, right Bulger.
Speaker 2: It was good for a while, but Epstein didn't have
Speaker 2: a happy ending.
Speaker 1: So so your thought is he died and he was
Speaker 1: killed in jail.
Speaker 2: I believe. I don't believe in the suicide. No, I
Speaker 2: believe he was murdered. Yeah, it just too too weird,
Speaker 2: too crazy. All the cameras get turned off, the guards
Speaker 2: go to sleep. Now somebody in inmate clothing an orange
Speaker 2: robe is going up the stairway, I believe. And then
Speaker 2: the family. The pathologist representing the Epstein family who was
Speaker 2: there for the autopsy said that there the marks on
Speaker 2: his neck. We could not be there from hanging, but
Speaker 2: only from strangulation with through somebody's hands. So I believe
Speaker 2: I believe he was murdered.
Speaker 1: This yeah, I think you're right. This statement by Hank Harrison,
Speaker 1: Courtney Love's dad was done a long time ago. This
Speaker 1: is like ten years ago in a different forum somewhere
Speaker 1: on Facebook that he writes, since my daughter was an
Speaker 1: Epstein black book in two thousand and three, Incent she
Speaker 1: bragged me about how she was procuring victims for him.
Speaker 1: I think I have a right to speak with some
Speaker 1: authority here. The crimes are ten times worse and one
Speaker 1: hundred times more numerous and more, and you can imagine
Speaker 1: the New Mexico's or a ranch is bad. But when
Speaker 1: victims were worn out, they would simply be taken to
Speaker 1: the desert and buried, or taken to see weighted down
Speaker 1: that dumped overboard. The ones who survived are lucky to
Speaker 1: be alive. You're talking multiple slave murders here. Clinton did
Speaker 1: not cure procure slaves. Trump did google me before you
Speaker 1: reject this comment.
Speaker 2: Mhmm. That is very intense.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's multiple different stories that are coming out about
Speaker 1: that place, which is very isolated, like it's apparently in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. Like that's my understanding. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So people check out his substack. It's it's your last name, right, It's.
Speaker 2: Just it's Robert Eringer dot substack dot com.
Speaker 1: Robert.
Speaker 2: I post something every day. I lately have been focusing
Speaker 2: on Monaco because of this book coming out. I'd actually
Speaker 2: moved on in my life from it, but if I
Speaker 2: decided the truth needed to be told, and that's why
Speaker 2: this book's appearing, and that's why I'm writing more often
Speaker 2: about it on substack. But I write on a whole
Speaker 2: lot of issues, and I write a weekly news review
Speaker 2: which I spell R E v U E because I
Speaker 2: kind of poke fun at what's going on in the news.
Speaker 2: And it is also published simultaneously by Santa Barbara Current.
Speaker 1: So there it is right there. So you're a Caravan
Speaker 1: to Midnight.
Speaker 2: That is today's news review.
Speaker 1: Yes, so news review a bunch of different articles there.
Speaker 1: When is your book being published?
Speaker 2: March nineteenth and it's now available on pre order from Amazon,
Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble and other internet book booksellers.
Speaker 1: And you have your other books there as well too.
Speaker 2: So you've got Bruse Yeah, yeah, they should be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, written the Spymaster and me. I mean, you have
Speaker 1: a pretty good art. It looks like you've written about
Speaker 1: ten books or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I read write novels as well, and my latest
Speaker 2: thing's been I went through a phase where I like
Speaker 2: to write road novels where I take a real road
Speaker 2: trip and marry it with a fictional plot and characters.
Speaker 2: I did that with a book called Motional Blur that
Speaker 2: was published by Skyhorse in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of authors from Skyhorse. It's a
Speaker 1: good outfit. Is there anything you'd like to add? I
Speaker 1: mean worth the forty five minute mark. Do you want
Speaker 1: to take some comments or check the comments? Here's like
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were following, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people talking. Great interview, says Southwest. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Robert says Jack.
Speaker 2: I saw the comment there said why keep him alive?
Speaker 2: Meaning how did I escape all that? The simple answer is,
Speaker 2: if I'd stayed in Monaco any longer, I believe that
Speaker 2: my life was at risk because I had the Palace
Speaker 2: accountant gunning for me. He actually tried to end the
Speaker 2: intelligence service without Prince Albert's authority, but he pretended Prince
Speaker 2: that he had Prince Albert's authority to terminate my intelligence service,
Speaker 2: even though he had no idea what the extent of
Speaker 2: it was, or all the relationships we had with other
Speaker 2: intelligence services. I had him seriously stared me, and then
Speaker 2: Prince Albert's personal lawyer, Terry Lacoste, who was in cahoots
Speaker 2: with the accountant in their real estate corruption, and then
Speaker 2: I had I became better known for the first few
Speaker 2: years as an intelligence advisor, and even when I started
Speaker 2: the Monaco Intelligence Service, I was very invisible. But once
Speaker 2: we had the Albert had the good chief of staff
Speaker 2: who was actually trying to implement a cleanup program. Word
Speaker 2: began to get around that Albert had his own intelligence apparatus,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people were upset about that. They
Speaker 2: didn't like the idea that Albert could have information that
Speaker 2: didn't come from Monaco's Interior Ministry. Up until then, the
Speaker 2: police couldn't even get their information through to the Palace.
Speaker 2: It was all filtered by the Interior Ministry and controlled.
Speaker 2: So nobody wanted Albert to have an intelligence service. Nobody
Speaker 2: wanted to be cleaned up. And I'm the guy who
Speaker 2: suddenly they realized was running it. And it was at
Speaker 2: that point where I decided, not only wasn't going to
Speaker 2: wasn't I going to put up with this any longer,
Speaker 2: because clearly Albert was not going to clean things up
Speaker 2: like you said he would, but I think my life
Speaker 2: was at risk as well as an official for him.
Speaker 2: I six told me, you better at least close down
Speaker 2: your safe house here, that little apartment that where we'd
Speaker 2: have all of our meetings and where I slept when
Speaker 2: I was at Monaco. He said, because you're going to
Speaker 2: get firebombed. And at the time when the accountant actually
Speaker 2: tried to terminate our intelligence service, I realized the word
Speaker 2: was out. I did feel threatened, and I understood that
Speaker 2: if I stayed longer, that I might not exist beyond
Speaker 2: that for very long.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, South Towers has great interview, Sana says, thank you.
Speaker 1: Jack asked you, why did why einboard Mama by the girl?
Speaker 1: Why was that his choice?
Speaker 2: I guess he didn't know how to get rid of
Speaker 2: the body. Ira Ir was very lazy. So the idea
Speaker 2: of taking a body down from an apartment into a
Speaker 2: car and putting it in a trunk, I didn't think
Speaker 2: he had a car. He would have had to involve
Speaker 2: somebody else who would then be a witness against him,
Speaker 2: maybe possibly turn him in. I would. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: only thinking on his behalf. But he probably thought it
Speaker 2: was the safest place to keep her and not be
Speaker 2: discovered that he'd murdered her. Why it took the Philadelphia
Speaker 2: police two years to get a warrant to go into
Speaker 2: his house when everybody her family knew that she was
Speaker 2: the last person he saw. Once again, a lot of
Speaker 2: it is incompetence, in bungling. It's not just when the
Speaker 2: FBI doesn't do stuff when they should have done. It
Speaker 2: is because they're hiding something. It's because of sharing competence
Speaker 2: and bungling. Things like that seemed to have just happened
Speaker 2: in Tucson, Arizona, with with this abduction, right.
Speaker 1: Kent says, great interview. Thanks Kent. Silent wants to ask
Speaker 1: me about Bill Kobe, Kobe and dB Cooper. That seems
Speaker 1: like a stretch. You ever heard that theory.
Speaker 2: I've never heard that theory.
Speaker 1: I never have a very interesting. Good thing you got out.
Speaker 1: Jack says, great interview. So we had one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty live listeners, So thanks for listening everybody. Thanks for
Speaker 1: the comments. And is there anything else you'd like to
Speaker 1: add Robert before we wrap it up?
Speaker 2: I think we I mean I could go on for
Speaker 2: another two hours, but I think we can.
Speaker 1: We'll have you back after you publish the book. Then
Speaker 1: I can read it and I can ask you some
Speaker 1: perfect questions.
Speaker 2: Great, I'd love to join you again and your listeners.
Speaker 1: So you have a substack. Do you have a website
Speaker 1: yet or it's just yourself?
Speaker 2: Well I did at one point, but I merged it
Speaker 2: with substack. So Robert Eringer dot com goes to the substack.
Speaker 1: Got you. So it's Robert Eringer E R I n
Speaker 1: G E R dot substack dot com. Yes, I'll put
Speaker 1: and I'll put up. That's a silences. Thank you. William says,
Speaker 1: having back for sure. Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2: Definitely come back anytime you like.
Speaker 1: And truth Seeker says, I like this guy a lot.
Speaker 1: Jan Vieira says it was a pleasure, learned a ton,
Speaker 1: so thanks for coming on. Really appreciate it. Again. The
Speaker 1: guest is Robert Aarringer E R I N G R.
Speaker 1: And then he has a book coming out which I
Speaker 1: showed that the cover of it, so keep an eye out, guys.
Speaker 1: It's a Spymaster of Monte Carlo, Tales of Royalty Espionage
Speaker 1: and betrayal, betrayal. So Robert, thanks so much for your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you. William appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, stay there, stay there, okay, okay we