Speaker 1: What is the war against cartels? We are fighting a
kinetic war against drug cartels. Can this grow into a
bigger conflict? Is this going to be fought differently? How
significant is it for a country and how unique is it?
Michael Rourke, retired from the Special Forces community in international
security experts and consultant, joins me in the Todd Herman Show.
It to talk just about this, and we'll do this
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My friend Michael Rourke joins us Mike as the principal
at AOC Security. He's a form of Special Forces operative
and served our country in combat. Mike, welcome back to
the Toddharam Show.
Speaker 3: Thanks to good be with you again.
Speaker 1: So there is a war going on and it's not
getting enough attension, and the war is a kinetic war.
President Trump, Marco Rubio, Pete Haigseth have seen fit to
launch against international drug cartels. And given your background what
you do both international security consulting for companies and individuals,
high network people and your background and special forces, I
didn't think there's anyone better to talk to about this.
So is this as unprecedented as the media is telling us?
Speaker 3: I think it is. I mean, Ben, in the nineties,
we used to forces, we were sometimes reconnaissance missions along
the border looking for illicit cartel. But now when you're
using looks like MQ nine Reaper drones to drop hell
fires into drug smuggling boats coming out of Venezuela, yeah,
I'm gonna say that's pretty unprecedent.
Speaker 1: What do you make of that as someone who served
the country Because we've so often been told our enemies
are and I believe they are Taliban Hamas hezblah, and
I do believe there are enemies, But what do you
make of now, all of a sudden turning this into
kinetic war against These aren't nation states, they're not even
formerly terrorist groups. I'm sure terrorist groups use them, in
fact they know they do. But is this something that
makes you, I mean, how does it make you feel?
As someone who's been asked to put his life on
the line for the country.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's interesting say, obviously there's tons into
poison coming into the country every year, every day, killing
certainly over one hundred thousand Americans every year. I mean,
that's some would and you know, I kind of put
myself in that camp. That's like an invasion, a kinetic
invasion of our country. But of note, you know, we're
not doing this. We're not hitting targets in Mexico. The
Trump administration is declared Maduro in Venezuelan illegitimate leader of
the country and says he's the head of a drug cartel.
And that's what we're hitting. We're hitting these small boats
at sea two on video, I think President Trump mentioned
there was a third. We're not hitting targets ashore. However,
the military passage that we have in the southcom Aoar
is way more than you need to hit a few
drug boats. So they have the potential to do something
a lot bigger.
Speaker 1: So you're saying in the presence that we've established there
of late, would lend itself to actually putting boots on
the ground.
Speaker 3: Well, you've got the Iojima Amphibious Ready Group there, which
consists of the twenty second Marine Expeditionary Unit or MUTE,
and then soft special operations capable. That's a total of
I want to say, over three thousand marines. You've got
all kinds of air assets based in Puerto Rico right now.
We have f thirty five stealth fighters there. You don't
need those to go after drug boats, but you might
if you're going to try to penetrate Venezuelan and airspace
and defeat their anti aircraft systems and take on their sixteen.
So there's a package there that's meant to send a
message to Maduro and it's beefy enough to do something
inside Venezuela. Should that decision be made?
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Here's what I think is the important question, Mike, in
relation to these actions we're taking against these drug cartels,
is this the first stage in recognizing a supply chain?
Let me explain this. They're going after right now, these
boats leaving Maduro's area, they've designated him and a illegitimate leader.
We have these assets. I didn't know about, these assis,
three thousand marines. There is that a way to cut
off a supply chain into a country, Because from where
I look, where you live in the areas on the
West Coast, et cetera, these major these major cities, we
have full on supply chains of drugs coming in, human
flesh coming in, and money going out. So is this
the first stage maybe of a far larger war.
Speaker 3: I mean, the possibility exists right now. It seems to
be focused on Venezuela. But you look at you have
all kinds of precursor chemicals that go into Mexico and
other South American countries from China, I mean from China
aboard commercial shipping inside normal shipping containers, the UH supply
lines from Venezuela. I don't those boat those small boats,
they're not going all the way to the US. They're
probably going to Mexico or somewhere else in Central America
in order to train to ship to land and then
trying them over our land border usually concealed now with
the border essentially closed to foot traffic as far at
non ports of entry, they're concealing these low as in
commercial trucking shipments, and so that's where these little boats
are going. You're not getting from boats going all the
way from Venezuela clear across you know, to the mainland
United States. They might or they might go to other
Caribbean islands. Some will go try to get to Puerto Rico,
because once you hit Puerto Rico, you're in the US
and then there are no customs checks. If you're getting
on a plane from Puerto Rico to the mainland US,
you're not going through customs because you're going from America
to America.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. And so they have these partner states that
they set up with they're bringing that in here. Here's
here's what I'm trying to communicate, though, Mike is there's
this other end of the snake as I see it.
So President Trump is taking the National Guard into some
key cities. Washington, d C. Was first. He wants to
take these them into Memphis, et cetera. He talked about Chicago.
And this is being couched as a war against this
crime that I contend the Democrats bosses have allowed to
metastasize and grow, and I think that they allow it
to flourish. I think they feed it. It's my opinion,
and I can back that opinion up. The people who
benefit from all that crime are among them cartel members.
Because you have cops so taxed and busy arresting the
same you know, lunatic five times a day responding to
all these break ins and assaults that the cartels are
allowed to operate in places like Washington. The separate country
of Washington effectively free of any concern. So I'm wondering,
and this is me just wondering out loud. Are we
also looking at the National Guard going in and scooping
up cartel bosses and soldiers, etc. So we're fighting the
war at both ends down there and up here. Does
that sound wildheaded?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure if if the National Guard is
going to be actually scooping people up. I think a
lot they're doing in DC is kind of a presence
in order to free up law enforcement to really do
their job. It'd be unusual, I think for them to
actually try to find cartel members themselves. The cartel is
pervasive throughout the unineties and cartel affiliate organizations, the gangs
that you know that that buy the drugs from the cartels.
But if you're freeing up law enforcement, both local, state
and federal, to do their law enforcement job, having National
Guard presence in order to help produce crime just by
being there, then I think it's going to have an impact.
Speaker 1: Okay, So then I'm not saying and I didn't mean
to say that cars that National Guard members are doing
the scooping up so sloppy and speech, but they free
up the other assets to do this Ice. There's no
doubt ICE is scooping up some cartel people. I mean
therese are not quote just criminal illegals. There's no doubt
that being caught up in this effort are cartel heads.
We've seen some of the violent people that caught up
MS thirteen, some of these other Trent Deagua, they're connected
to this. So I guess I'm hoping that this might
be a connection to finally getting the cartels out of
our cities, because there's areas in our in our country
that are a drug cartel run. Am I wrong?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely it. The thing is, if you cut off
the supply coming from outside of the United States, cartels
are still involved in human trafficking in a massive way,
and that's already embedded here throughout the United States. I've seen,
you know, some of the impacts of that firsthand several
years ago, so that they have a lot of other
sources of revenue. But if you can cut off the
drug supply from you know, from outside the US, it's
have a big impact on the cartels.
Speaker 1: Agreed. I think then that a subtext to all of
this is Northern Mexico because there are areas in northern
Mexico that aren't just drug cartel run. I mean effectively
they are the government and they've taken over cities, they
have unalived mayors, they've hung them from bridges their bodies.
Do you think this is an effective maybe tool for
President Trump to use with Mexico to more convince their presidents,
who has been pretty belligerent with us at times. She's
been she's been pretty I just say belligerent. Do you
think this is an effective tool for us to say, Okay,
this is Venezuela, we know these boats are probably going
through Mexico. We could come across the northern border if
you need us to come and clean up the cartel
of activity there. Do you think that's a usable threat?
Speaker 3: Certainly used as a as a pressure tact. Probably more
effective if it's done behind the scenes, diplomatmatically, rather than
through the president posting on truth social about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cartels a cartels are pervasive through on Mexico.
You've got one group that's splintered off from another that
was i'marily composed of former Mexican special forces who deserted
their units in order to get to becoming forces for
our cartels and form their own and they're right along
the border there, right along the border.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're a super super well armed from what
I understand. You'd be a better judge of that, but
what I've heard is they have the ability to overwhelm police.
So they are well armed. And these these and you've
told me before that these guys are not without military
training as well.
Speaker 3: Fact, the Los Zeta, like I said, we're primarily Mexican
special forces. Many of them were trained by our special forces,
some of which trained by our special forces in the
United States, and they've taken that expertise into the field
with them. For the cartels you have, the card is
operating like small military units. They're using small unit tactics,
are conducting raids and ambushes. They're armed with fully on weapons.
They're armed with Barrett fifty caliber sniper rifles. They're building
their own armored vehicles just by throwing these little monstrosities
together and then using those to attack other cartels, attack
their rifles and fight the Mexican police, the Mexican military.
I think they've ema successfully shut down helicopters with small arms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And speaking of that, we'll talk about helicopters. Just
a second, Michael Rourke joins this. He is the chief
over at Advanced Operational Concepts. Linked to his stuff in
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I didn't know this. We lost some of our guys
apparently in a helicopter crash out in Thurston County out
to the separate country of Washington.
Speaker 3: Details still aren't fully known yet, but I think around
nine o'clock last night, a military helicopter went down near
Snake in Thurston County. The people heard the crash on
the ground. I think some of the first folks to
get there were lazy police Department Thurston County Sheriffs. They
tried to get to the scene but were pushed back
by a fire. It was so hot their shoes were overheating.
I heard that unofficially, but as possible. There were no survivors. Also, unofficially,
I think it was an Age sixty four Apache gunship.
They're always flying around our area after so that's still
unofficial as far as I know the last time I checked.
But it does not look good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, obviously a prayer for those families and sincere prayers
for our guys and people in that helicopter and where
were you when you saw what happened to Charlie Kirk
when he was assassinated. Mike, where were you?
Speaker 3: I was a hotel in another state. We were kicking
off a project that's still ongoing now, and I heard
the news come across and then a friend of mine
who's very plugged in on the tech side, quickly sent
me the horrific video clip. And as soon as I
saw that, as soon as I heard it, I knew
it was a rifle, And as soon as I saw Charlie,
I knew it was not.
Speaker 1: So you heard the reports and you were able to
tell that's a rifle. And one of the things you
did is train snipers, and you instantly as well. I mean,
and you know far better than I. When I when
I saw his arms come up and then the profuse
amount of blood that came out, my instinct was it
wasn't survivable. But you knew that.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, what I heard, let's start, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah,
what I heard. The first sound I heard the sonic
crack of a rifle bullet going past camera on the
way to Charlie. And immediately after that you hear the
lower thump of the muscle blasts and sniper worlds would
call crack thump of the bull's coming towards you or
near you. You he hear the bullet first, and then
you hear the muscle blasts in the background. So I
anstantly knew it was a rifle and.
Speaker 1: There was this guy and the craw We now know
he decided to apparently announce himself as the shooter, and
he's now apparently, according the FBI, has admitted that he
did that to allow the actual shooter to run away,
to get away, And we now know that there were
a bunch of social media accounts I think it's eight
ten at least two named Chardie Kirk. Something BIG's gonna
happen in Chariti Kirk tomorrow. We know about the Armed
Queers of Salt Lake City that were recruiting and training
people to use weapons and I think in offensive shooting.
They shut down their social media page September tenth, the
day Charlie was shot. The alleged shooter was at least
tied to tangentially even tied to that group. This group
has received some government funding one step removed USAA D
style and we see now President Trump coming out and
naming trans TIFA and Antifa as terrorist groups, And I
wonder what your spidy sense as are telling you. You're
far more careful than I am. But I look at
this and it stinks of at least social contagion pushing
into the assassination culture at least that. But do you
have any spidy senses that we should be looking hard
at some groups that may have pushed this young man
that way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. There's a lot of radicalization happening, happening on
social media and things like Reddit, forums of four Chan,
things like that, even in the gaming world, and the
radicalization has been happening for a while if you look back,
and probably going about three four years or even more.
They're real dehumanizing language from the left towards the right
really began in earnest where talking about you know, silences violence.
Language is violent. Therefore you're setting up to justify actual
violence to counter that. And when you're dehuman as to
the point where everyone's for everyone's a Nazi, you know what,
how do you stop hearing Nazis? You know, who wouldn't
want to go back in time and kill baby Hitler
before World War two kicked off?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So their question of that narrative to get radical among
them or the most memally instult to actually take action.
Most of these people don't want to do it themselves,
but after the fringes of their groups, so they can say, hey,
they weren't really a part of our group.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It seems like a very very perfect setup, because there
are t shirts that are very thick in the so
called trans community, very popular. It says trans writes dot
dot dot, and then five rifles in this so called
transflag color. And then down there says or else, there's
this phrase this trainee brashes back. There's the Eugene Weekly
I think it is that had a picture of a
man pretending to be a woman holding an ar talking
about how they're ready to bash back against genocide. And
this language is being used in correct me if I'm wrong,
But these groups are not the first groups performing a
revolution to seek mentally unstable people to go out and
be the initial cannon fodder. It occurs to me that
we're going to talk about nazis that some of the
original members of the Reichstead Crew were not that particularly
mentally stable and released criminals, et cetera. So is this
a known tactic people used to get unstable people to
do things.
Speaker 3: It is, and like I said that, that way they
can try to keep their hands clean. But if we're
designating them as terrorist groups, now you know what happens then,
is just by having said that you're in Antifa, are
you subject to arrest? I think you're certainly subject to
more investigation. Now you have jan as the director of
the National Counterterrorism Center, And he replied to on on
actually Trump's with Trump's proclamation of the designation, he's ready
to get to work and he's really good at targeting.
Speaker 1: You're talking about Joe Kent, our mutual friends, Yes, sir, Yeah,
So Joe Kent runs a national terrorism response and he's
going to get to work with this and has for
a long time. And Mike, I want to ask you
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where you live. I watched Antifa come from this quote
idea into training on how to use IEDs and devices
to top of police horses. I watch them do that
in a park in uh in Georgetown. I watch people
ignore this. I watched them seize police station. I watch
them try to take out and sometimes succeed in taking
out cops. I've seen their threats against me. I've had
them show up to threaten me at my house. I've
had them show up to threaten me at work. I'm
waiting and I'm glad to see them. Name datis organization.
Joe Kanty's going to help run this. What would Michael
Orke do and what would Michael Rourke advise companies that
may be targeted by people like this to do.
Speaker 3: Well? The first thing that you do is employed the
intelligence cycle. You have to start gathering information, and that
means all kinds of social media, everything that they're putting out.
You got to start intercepting their communications, and you start
building the order of battle. You know the names of
these groups, where the cells are located. Then you start
identifying the members of these groups. And then once you
have a sufficient amount of information, then that's where you
can go in. And I think it's still enough to
have evidence of crimes, which is easy enough, especially in Portland,
since they've been attacking the FEDS in there nightly. They
have to swoop in and really roll these people up
kind of like a decapitation strike and lead them leaving handcuffs,
take the mass off, get them out of their black block,
and show them on camera. Look, these are the people
who are trying to destroy the country from within.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and as this stuff is going on in Portland,
this is a resurgence of what they did in twenty twenty,
trying to break into a federal building time and again
trying to hamper law enforcement. Why not just go down
and make the first move to arrest all those people,
Take all those people. I love what you're saying, get
them off the masks, show their faces, and go in
with enough evidence that the ACLU can come and scream
and a holler all they want. But there's way, way,
way too many charges to just turn them around and
get them out of jail. Which has been the cycle.
These people get arrested, they get out of jail the
next day and use that as a show of force
and then start to go after the rest of the snake.
Or is that tipping our hand too much?
Speaker 3: Now, it's not tipping your hand, because you know it
can't happen all across the country all at once. You
know there's going to be surges. I think Portland's a
great place to start. You need federal profit secutors that
are then going to prosecute to the hilt, because especially
in the Portland air, you cannot count on the local prosecutors. Nope,
And this happens in so many areas and you can't.
And sometimes the local police, as much as they want
to help, you know, they're hamstrum. So it's going to
be merely a federal effort. In the Blue States.
Speaker 1: I could agree more that's it's got to be this
federal effort because we could these people get sucker, they
get supported in the Blue States and there, I mean,
I will never forget when we were watching and you
saw the same thing. Seattle had been taken over. I
mean you can say it was just six blocks, but
not for a few days. For a few days we
saw the unmarked trucks, you know, license plates, people with
long guns, ar setups patrolling our cities, stopping police from
stopping fires. Seattle was occupied for a little while, and
they asked the governor. A reporter asked the governor, what
do you think about antief? He said, what Antifa? Who
Who's And he actually said who's anti Tifa and utter trolling.
So I guess I'm just anxious to get started. I
want to see these arrests, But I also want to
ask this. Would we be utter idiots to think that
our foreign adversaries aren't funding some of this?
Speaker 3: I think you would have to be an idiot to
think there's no foreign money involved a lot of it.
You know, you're not going to see like money coming
from China straight to Antifa. It's going to be funneled
through NGOs. It's going to be through like the Open
Society Foundation. You know you're looking at and that's why
they're looking at Sorrows and you know his son and
people associated with him has potential funders of terrorism. Once
these groups are you know, officially designated, and then you're
looking at RICO absoutely be applied the racketeering and you know,
corrupt at organization laws. So it's going to be a
whole of government effort. It sounds like they really get
it going.
Speaker 1: We praise God. I hope they do get it going,
because this is also going to lead back to this
uncomfortable reality. As I was just talking about armed cores
of Salt Lake City gots government money one step remove
just that usci D game and the man who runs that,
who postes as a woman and does a pretty good
job posing as a woman, was given a Young Diplomat's
Award by the State of Utah. And this is I
think how blind people have been. Mike helps corporations, companies
secure themselves against threats, their cyber threats, their physical threat
they can be threats of employees if you want his expertise, Mike,
how can people get in touch with you?
Speaker 3: Sure? Our website is atcon dot com, a d OPCN
dot com. Folks to follow us on x at AOC
dot security and with the same on Instagram. And like
I said, it's a there's problems out there, problems are come.
It's going to get worse before it gets better. And companies,
especially ones who are industries that these leftists don't like,
or executives who they particularly don't like. Yep, there are
threats out there, there's potential targeting, and they're gathering intelligence
right now.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the assassination culture didn't die with Charlie Kirk. Charlie
Kirk's death has brought a lot of light and it
does not in Vain. His organization is growing more importantly
to me. People are coming to the Lord in record
numbers because they've seen this evil. But it was Charlie,
it was twice at President Trump. It was a CEO
of an insurance company. There were executives at a company
that was unfortunate enough to be within the building of
the NFL. So, if you are a CEO, you work
with CEOs, your board member, be a good thing to
have my get in there and take a look at
your security setup, because I'm going to tell you you're
probably not a security think you are, And I think
you've discovered that many many times with CEOs and others
who think they get it but they don't.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, So arrogance is not your friend, and situations like
this reach out to my brothers. You're having you on,
my brother thank you for your service, and thank you
for coming on the show and sharing your wisdom with us.
Speaker 3: All right, anytime, son.
Speaker 1: This is the Todd Herbert Show. Please go be well,
be strong, be kind, and go out and make a
decision to walk in the light of Christ and go
spend some time with your beloved families.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do