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for you. There's a bit of weeping and winning and
nashing the tie. Some bad news coming out of Brigham
yesterday as a bou basketball play. It was in a
car accident and was then later cited for Dui was
brought into the police station and was it was confirmed
that he was driving under the influence. We don't have
the details on what he was under the influence of,
but we do know he was driving under the influence
and his car was later impounded. He was released to
attend to his minor injuries, I believe at a local
clinic or hospital.
Speaker 4: So that was Conard Davis Junior. So we're going to
delve into that.
Speaker 3: What do we know and what do we need to
have answered going forward? Uh, it's it's horrible to have
to discuss this stuff. We want to talk stats, We
want to talk x's and o's. We want to talk
about the awards. We want to talk at the wins
and the losses and the lessons that can be learned
from losses. The off the field, off the court issues
are nothing that we want to approach ever on this show.
And I have been a vocal critic of even the
monetization of off field, off court incidences, especially if they
revolve around like honor code issues like I don't want
to see the martyrdom, you know, figuratively speaking of of
people's public personas due to undercode violations or purported undercode violations.
But when it comes becomes legal, you know, we got
to talk about it. We got to talk about it,
and and it's unfortunate. So we're going to delve into it.
What doesn't you know from again on the court standpoint, like,
how does this impact the quest for a Final four,
an Elite eight, a Sweet sixteen? You have Nate Pickens
now who is injured, he's done for the season. He's
one of your big pickups via the transfer portal. And
you have Cannard Davis Junior, whose eligibility may be waivering.
Speaker 4: We don't know. We don't know what the impact could be.
Speaker 3: Let's say worst case and he doesn't play for the
Koups this season due to this legal issue.
Speaker 4: Uh, then.
Speaker 3: Does that impact by us quest for a Sweet sixteen,
Elite eight Final four run? Yes, of course it does.
So who's gonna pick up a slack? That's kind of
what I want to focus on today. We'll delve into
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Cougar Sports. So lots of news and notes to get to,
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Speaker 3: Welcome to executive producer, my right hand man, the Ronald,
the three Man Weaver, the bucket Getter.
Speaker 4: What's up, Ronnie?
Speaker 5: What's up?
Speaker 6: Ben?
Speaker 5: Yeh unfortunate the news about Canard.
Speaker 7: Just my prayers to Canard, the family, those involved in
the car accident, as well as as BYU. This is
something now they have to battle, Coach Young, the entire
team in the locker room.
Speaker 5: Everybody involved in this is affected.
Speaker 7: So I just want to give my prayers to everybody,
because regardless of how you may feel about it, everyone's.
Speaker 5: Affected in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 7: But I just pray for the health and safety of
everybody more important.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look for me, it's this, you know. Regarding Cannard
Davis Junior, he.
Speaker 3: Was cited for suspective UI after two car crash Thursday,
and provo witnesses playing the other driver may have ran
the red light and hit the car driven by the
Cunard Davis Junior. Your teammates stop by brief lease. Davis
stayed behind with an assistant and was treated for minor injury.
Police say they had cause to conduct a UI investigation
and founded his vehicle. He had missed the Delaware game
with the Achilles Soortus, which raises.
Speaker 4: Some questions about maybe medication.
Speaker 3: Maybe you know some sort of medication that could have
put him under the influence and not made him competent
enough and aware enough to drive a motor vehicle.
Speaker 4: But this is the absolute, this is the truth of
the matter.
Speaker 3: It is never justified to drive under the influence, whether
legally prescribe medication, alcohol, or illegal drugs, and safeguards must
always be put in place in order to prevent such
driving from occurring. Accountability will be required regardless of the
substance involved. There's no excuse for impaired driving. Okay, So
I'm gonna get that's like the foundational truth of all this.
And we all make mistakes. I have made plenty mistakes.
I think every single one of you guys that are
on the show with me today and those that are
listening to the show. Some may have made bigger mistakes
than others, but we've all made mistakes. And if our
sins were publicly showcased for all the world to behold,
like if we had our resume that we had to
bring around with us all the time, you know, our
digital resume, our physical resume, Like, Hey, these are all
the bad decisions I've made in lot, these are the
ones I got away with and these are the ones
that I probably could have been either legally or let's say,
spiritually or religiously reprimanded for we'd all have a little
bit of an egg on our.
Speaker 4: Face about our poor decisions.
Speaker 3: Now, like I said baseline foundation, like, there's no excuse
because you're putting others in harm's way. And we have
had friends and family members pass away due to people
driving under the influence. So I will have no tolerance
for people driving under the influence. I don't care how
old you are. Once you have a driver's license, you
know from the beginning that you are not supposed to
drive under the influences. And and and there's gonna be
ramifications for that. There's gonna be accountability for that, and
there should be. But I do have grace. I do
have forgiveness for all those that do make mistakes, as
does I think deity. And so you take it in
stride and you hope the the accountability is just and fair.
And we got to move on and discuss what the
worst case scenario is for b YU basketball. That's what
we're gonna do today here on your Utah ESPN Radio network.
So appreciate Ronnie being here. Let's also welcome in.
Speaker 4: Brett. Always bring the hammer, hammertop show, what's up Hammer time?
Can I lighten the mood before we do something serious?
I would love a little levity. Let's bring in the levity.
Speaker 8: So I got a message last night a couple of
days ago from a gentleman named Dave. He owns a
restaurant down in Orum, and I didn't know this. Maybe
you know the restauran I'm talking about. It's called Milagros.
It's sounded Orum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love Mologra. I didn't know this, but.
Speaker 8: Apparently that is like the restaurant of choice of the
coaches and apparently that's where Bronco Mendenhall used to come
and recruit guys. And so I get a mess sitch
from Dave. He watches my videos and he goes, hey,
I'd love to work on doing some social media da
da dah whatever, and we're like cool, like I'd love
to come down and chat with you.
Speaker 4: He brought us down there. He's a big fan.
Speaker 8: And I got to sit at Bronco Mendenhall's coaches table,
kind of secluded over there in the kitchen, and Dave
was telling me all these incredible stories about recruits that
used to come through there, and there's a diamond plated
mouthpiece of Jamal Williams that's up there. Somewhere in the helmet.
There's a Fred Warner helmet up there. It was just
such a cool experience, and he was telling me about
his time being on Chain Gang and it was just
so cool because, like, we do this show right, and
we create this content, and frankly, my assumption when I
do all this is that nobody watches it or listens.
Speaker 4: To it, because that's I don't know, that's the pessimist
in me.
Speaker 8: So it was really cool to meet Dave, to get
to hear those stories, to get to experience a piece.
Speaker 4: Of BYU history.
Speaker 8: And one of the things that he told me was,
you know, like I like listening to you guys, and
I like watching your because like I enjoy sports and
how it takes me.
Speaker 4: Away from some of the rougher parts of the world.
Speaker 8: And unfortunately, those rougher parts of the world are some
of the things that we're gonna have.
Speaker 4: To talk to talk about today.
Speaker 8: However, teaser spoiler alert for everyone, We're not gonna spend
all day on this. We are going to talk ball.
We are going to talk TCU and BYU and.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 8: I appreciated getting to meet someone who enjoys what we
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get to even do this at all. So shout out
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Speaker 4: We really do appreciate it, and we have a lot
of fun doing it, and we can only do it
because they allow us to do it. So really grateful.
Speaker 3: Unders Yeah, and look, Kugrenation is is expansive man, and
they love talking ball.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you that much. I've been doing this for
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I tell them all the time, like, you can never
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Speaker 4: I don't think you know any one of us who's.
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We want to talk called football, playoff. We want to
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Speaker 4: Of stuff like this, and we got to delve into
all of it. So appreciate that.
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know about the Canard Davis Junior situation? Okay, uh, let's
just start off with Cannard Davis Junior was a highly
touted recruit, okay, who played for SIU Southern Illinois. The
slukis If you don't know what a suluki is, it's okay, uh,
but you need to know about them. Sulukis b YU
Football played them once upon a time anyway, six six,
two hundred fifteen pounds junior out of Saint Louis, Missouri.
He was a bucket. He was fantastic for the Sulukis
those two seasons he played in. I believe sixty four
games started a majority of those, I believe forty one overall.
Speaker 4: Was averaging.
Speaker 3: You know, in the his final year with Sulukis thirty
four minutes per game, forty five point five percent from
the field, thirty seven point six percent from the three
point line, seventy six point three percent from the charities right,
one point or excuse me, four point nine rebounds per game,
two point six assists, and uh was a phenomenal defender
one point three steals, sixteen point three points per game.
Leading up to this season, Kevin Young went out of
his way consistently to state that Cannard Davis Junior was
the the underrated guy on this roster, that everyone's gonna
get to know this guy, that he's a true three
and D guy.
Speaker 4: He was the individual that I.
Speaker 3: Believe was slated and tabbed to replace what Mag right
mo what Mag was a fantastic acquisition last year was
like so effective, so efficient.
Speaker 4: He took the.
Speaker 3: Job of a four star, highly touted, you be it,
five star recruit that came to BA. He was a
true freshman who's now playing in I believe in the
acc and doing you know or sorry sec he's with
Kentucky and yeah, didn't he tr did he can transfer
to Kentucky? Now I'm forgetting Ronald. You have to help
me out with that one. But he was able to
overtake a highly doubted recruit that that everybody had slated
to become a big deal and maybe even a one
and done at BYU. So canar Davis Junior had been
elevated in the eyes of KY as a huge impact
basketball player for this year. Now his future is in question.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be overly dramatic, but whenever you're
you're you've you've been arrested, essentially for Duy. That's a
big deal. It's a huge deal. There's ramplications for that.
There's legal ramifications for that, especially because you were in
an accident, even if it wasn't your fault, you know,
by the video and by the eyewitnesses et cetera. You're
still under the influence, not gonna have it. There's gonna
be rampifications. There's gonna be also a punishment given, uh,
probably by the school, probably by the program. You got
to have some sort of accountability, So his eligibility, I
don't know how long. I don't know how for you
know how severe the punishment will be.
Speaker 4: But this is a big deal. This is a very
big deal, especially considering that Nate Pickens, also.
Speaker 3: A guard that was picked up via the transfer portal,
is out for the season with an injury. So you
have two acquisitions via the portal that have been hyped,
have been elevated as impact players that are not, at
least for the foreseeable stuture, not going to be playing
for BYU. That's a big deal, especially with AJ debonds.
I don't know if anyone's keeping track of this. It's
national championship or bust for AJ. Have you guys recently
read this article. I mean it's and looks his justification
as no one remembers that Houston was the runner up
last year. We do because we cover the Big twelve.
Is that valid? Well, most of us don't remember who
the runner up in any Championship game was unless we're
following it consistently as media or as fans. Most of
the general population only remembers the numero. So there is
truth and validity to that statement. So I know what
quota is. Quota is for me, it was an Elite
eight run, but with two guys out now I don't
for who knows how long I may have to say.
Speaker 4: Quota may be reverted to Sweet sixteen. But what changes
for you guys?
Speaker 3: Let's say this is more of a long term suspension
and you don't get Cannard Davis Junior back due to
not only how BYU operates, but also how you know
the legal also because of the legal ramplications for this,
let's say worst case scenario, does that change though your
outlook Brett always bringing the hammer.
Speaker 8: I still think it needs to be seen because I
do think this team is so uber talented that losing
one guy as good as Canard Davis is with everything
that he can do, there's so much talent behind him
that I don't think BAU falls off a cliff losing
Canard Davis Junior.
Speaker 4: Now, that still remains to be seen.
Speaker 8: What does that talent because we haven't necessarily seen Alexei
Kostitch play big minutes. We haven't necessarily seen Tyler Russ
play big minutes. Your big question is going to be
who's gonna fill in that guard spot, who is going
to be that backup point guard, especially now that you've
also lost Nate Pickens. We saw a lot of good
stuff from Dawson Baker in the Delaware game the other night, and.
Speaker 4: So I do believe.
Speaker 8: Look, we always say it in KYU, we trust Kevin
Young is a basketball genius. I believe in him to
find a way to figure this out. So even without
Kennar Davis Junior, I still don't think that changes too
much about the outlook for this team. I think there's
so much talent. I think there's so much genius on
this team. I think they can find a way to
figure it out. But I also think it's too early
in the season to say just how critical of an
impact this will be.
Speaker 3: Rob Right, the third, Dawson Baker, Richers, Alexi Coastick, you
know those are your guys. Tyler Moruss is a shooting
guard as well, sixty seven shooting guard, but he's not
necessarily a primary ball handler by any means.
Speaker 4: Or even is he a secondary ball handle.
Speaker 3: I think he was brought into to be a kind
of catch and shoot guy, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah,
you're a little bit thinner on the guard line. Is
Richie gonna have to take some of those two guard spots?
Is he gonna have to handle a little bit more?
Are you gonna see Richie and pick and roll situations?
AJ we know wants to handle the ball. The load
on AJ's shoulders I think has now been significantly added
to Cannard Davis Junior in the two games that he played.
I think showcasing ability not only to be a good defender,
a fantastic defender, good rebounder, but a nice catching shoot
guy in the corner.
Speaker 4: A J.
Speaker 3: Debots is supposed to be a playmaker for everybody, and
you'll lose out on a great playmaker on both ends
of the floor with Cannard Davis Junior. Now look Nate
Pickens too, by the way. You know, we didn't get
seen Nate, but Nate was going to be a nice
addition as well. So a little bit heavier burden on
rob Wright, heavy burdon Dawson Baker is the one that
got the start in the absence of Kennar Davis Junior,
Dawson's got to pick up the pace. Dawson's got to
be a better defender. Dawson's got to be a better
catch and shoot guy. Quite honestly, his mechanics from a
three point shooting standpoint, they're a little bit slower and
a little bit more elongated, and so when he's having
to rush his mechanics, he's a little bit off. You
can get him a wide open three and then he
hits and he's squared squared up to the basket. So
Alexi may have a bigger role now, and we like
the acquisition of the late acquisition, and he's a nice, nice.
Speaker 4: Player, no doubt. But man like this is.
Speaker 3: This is not the situation that we wanted to be
in to start the season by any means. Ronald the
three man, we forgive me your thoughts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is just unfortunate.
Speaker 7: Guys, No one's gonna like what I have to say
about this, But the expectations do change. Why Kevin Young,
you know, said that Cannard Davis Junior could be all
big twelve defender.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just can't replace.
Speaker 7: That, Like, I mean, you lose a backup ball handler
and Nate Pickens, who was brought in per Kevin Young
to be a part of this team, Like they went
into the port and constructed this team around his skill set.
Speaker 5: He's gone.
Speaker 7: Now we don't know what's gonna happen with Canard, right,
I don't want to speculate, but worts Cassnraben if he's not,
If he's gone for the entire season, that affects this
team's and the expectation. I can't just say elite A
competing for a Final four berth Like, yes, that puts
more on AJ's shoulders for a low but Canard's skill
set was supposed to be the muwat mag take out
the best defender. Now you're gonna put more of that
on AJ and put AJ at risk of more foul
trouble on that. Sure he can do it, but it
just takes a depth piece away that you add.
Speaker 5: It's a starter.
Speaker 7: It's not like it's a role player, and no one
on the bench yet has showcased that they've been able
to willing to step up, Like, yeah, Tyler Morross is great,
but like his.
Speaker 5: Role wasn't supposed to be the Canard role.
Speaker 7: Cannard was supposed to play twenty five somewhere to thirty
minutes to be able to take that role on and
do that. Sure you could replace it, but then, okay,
who's going to replace Tyler's role? Who now has to
step up at the guard line? You're getting thin there.
So this is deeper than what I believe people to believe.
They might be able to manage it. But long term wise,
once you get deep in the march, I think it's
more significant than people think. Right now, they'll be able
to figure it out, they'll be at adjust but I
think long term wise, when you need a crucial defender,
when you need a guy to take out Emmanual Sharp,
when you're looking for the guy who's going to guard
the guy in Houston, I don't see that guy right
now on this team. I mean, sure AJ can do
a little bit, but AG is gonna have to guard
other athletic wings. But from the guard line particular, not
having Canard, if that would be the case, is a
big loss in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Guys, the two things that the gaps that needed to
be filled, the voids that needed to be filled, were
what Number One, better perimeter defense this offseason? Number Two,
three point shooting three YU needed to continue within the
BA basketball program. Let me tell you both of these
players are great defenders. And number two Ny Pickin shot
thirty nine point two percent from the three point line
last year and the Saluki transfer Canard Davis Junior shot
thirty seven point five percent from the three point line, sorry,
thirty seven point six percent from the three point line.
Those are two very good proven shooters. So yes, this
is impactful. And look, I want to be a Pine.
The sky blue goggled bands are in full, but this
is impactful. The two things that you wanted to level
up on was perimeter defense and three point shooting, and
up to this point, the three point shooting hasn't been there,
but I think the perimeter defense you could. You have
noticeably seen what can happen when you have great perimeter defense.
Speaker 4: And I think in.
Speaker 3: Particularly the Villanova game, when you had to get stops
guys fighting through those perimeter screams on the defensive end,
it was awesome. You get chipped, you get bumped, but
you're fighting through because you're your your.
Speaker 4: Long, athletic, quick physical like.
Speaker 3: You get bumped off those screens sometimes, but you're able
to catch up and you're not all that off, you're
half step behind. That's what you you're missing out on.
That's what you could be missing out. And can Dawson
do that? And can Alexi do that? What Nate Pickens
and Cannard Davis Junior could do? I don't think so.
They're two they're different players. Not to take anything away
from Dawson, they have their strengths. Not to take anything
away from Alexi, you have their strengths. But yeah, this
does make me a little bit more moderate my approach.
I don't know if my quota is is Elite eight anymore.
I don't know, Like that's a heavy burden for aj
to take on his shoulders and and and maybe he's
up for it, maybe he's built for it. Maybe he's
ready to take on that burden the crown. Yeah exactly, man, Yeah,
it's a heavy burden. So give me your thoughts. Skugernation,
What do we know about the Canard Davis Junior situation?
It's uh, you know, in summary and I don't know
if you guys have read through all the reports, including
the police report, but you know it doesn't look great.
But let me ask you this, Actually, if I was
to put out a poll right now, does the substance
that he took like impact your evow and judgment of
the situation, like the substance that if it's a prescribed medication,
which I believe I think it is. He was suffering
from an injury achilles soreness, He's getting ready for a flight.
This could be the medication, the pain meds plus anti anxiety,
anti nausea. You know there are there are certain medications
given to athletes before they get on flights.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it could be an ambient.
Speaker 3: It could be, you know, for sleep, just to be
able to get into that mode. And he may have
taken those pills prior to getting on the plane, right
he did. Some will take him once you get on
the plane. Some will probably take him before. He shouldn't
have been driving. That's where he's gonna be held accountable, obviously,
But does it matter what he took and how he
became under the influence.
Speaker 8: My biggest takeaway from this entire story is I'm just
grateful that nobody was hurt, to be quite frank, and
I know there's gonna be a lot made of everything
going on, but like, I just look at life so
much as somebody who lost the dad.
Speaker 4: To an accident.
Speaker 8: I don't look at these are This is not a
story to me, Ben, This is not oh my gosh,
you hear what happened to the canary.
Speaker 4: This is a real situation.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that happened to a real person, And we should
be grateful that the other individual who was involved in
this accident, whether they were at fault or not, that
person gets to go home and see their family. The
Davis family still gets to have a son. He's not
injured to a serious degree, and he wasn't killed. So
I think that's at least for me, that's takeaway number
one is like, let's be so grateful that nobody was
hurt in this accident, because there are real people involved
with this story, and there are real people who are affected.
Speaker 4: And let's be real.
Speaker 8: We spent a lot of last week talking about Ivan
over at Texas Tech and the accident that his wife
was involved in, which was a DUI related accident. Yep,
And again, great things are happening, but it would have
been even greater is if that accident had never happened
in the first place. And so I'm just really grateful, honestly,
that was that was the first thing that I needed
to see when I read this story was was anybody hurt?
Speaker 4: Was everybody okay?
Speaker 8: Now the word is that Kennard Davis had minor injuries,
but again, when you're talking about DUI, you are talking
about serious injuries and often fatality. So for me, the
number one most important thing is making sure that everybody
was okay in this accident.
Speaker 4: And then we could talk about everything else afterwards.
Speaker 8: We could talk about how it affects by basketball, we
can talk about what substance he was partaking of, we
can talk about all that stuff, But the number one
most important thing to me is that everybody was okay.
And I think we should be very grateful that everyone's
okay and that we're not having to sit here talking
about manslaughter or fatality or.
Speaker 4: Anything like that.
Speaker 8: We are so grateful and lucky that nobody was hurt
in this accident. That's number one. Number two to your
point in your question, does it matter the substance that
he was taking.
Speaker 4: That's a tough one.
Speaker 3: To because the alcohol THC prescribe medications right like edibles,
like whatever it is that put him under the influence.
Speaker 4: Does it matter?
Speaker 8: Again, this is one of those things where it's like,
if we're if we're in any other circumstances, somebody was hurt,
then the answer is no. Because nobody was hurt, we
get the luxury of getting to really talk about splitting
hairs here.
Speaker 4: And does it matter what substance he was on and whatnot?
Speaker 8: Again, we're speculating here a little bit because we don't
know exactly what he was under the influence of. I
think we would all agree that drinking and driving is
probably the worst epidemic in the entirety of the planet
that we live on. I'm so I'm grateful that it
wasn't that. I think when it's medical and there's medication involved,
if that is the case, that's probably better. But again,
I don't really like using the word better because we're
talking about an accident that could have taken someone's Does
it change your judgment, my judgment of Cannard Davis?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, are you more harshly judgmental towards Canard if
it's something either illegal alcohol, you know, which obviously it's
illegal to just be under the influence, right, but alcohol,
I don't.
Speaker 4: I think he's only twenty years old, Yes he is.
Speaker 10: So it was alcohol, it would have been under in drinking,
which if it's an edible of some sort, it's a
THHD based or what have you like, does that change
the way that you judge the incident.
Speaker 4: You know, that's tough.
Speaker 8: Ronald brought up a really great point to me when
he and I had this had a conversation about this
last night, and we were talking about how oftentimes in sports,
when you have a story like this, and the media
and the fans and we go and talk about it,
and so sometimes we put a guy down from making
a poor choice. And it's very easy when that individual
can oar Davis in this situation. Others at BUYU, others
athletes at other universities, they see all that negativity online
and then they are forever attached to the mistake that
they made. And so my judgment of Kamar Davis and
my judgment of the situation, again, I'm grateful that it's
not I guess I'm not grateful. I'm hopeful that it's
not drinking and driving, because I think that one that
one is really hard to make. Any kind of alleviations.
Speaker 4: Got to get help immediately.
Speaker 8: If it's alcohol related, then that's a whole different category.
If it's medical, then still you got to know, like, hey,
I shouldn't be driving with this. But I think, yeah,
probably you judge it a little bit differently. But I
think for me, at the end of the day, I
think what we understand is there's a couple of clear
cut things here. We're really upset with the decision that
was made. Whatever the substance was, you should not be
driving if you know that you're under the influence. However,
to the point that you made earlier in the show,
if all of my mistakes were on the Internet for
everyone to see, that would be a rough life for
me to live. And so I think we have to
do this thing where we balance and say, Canard Man,
that was dumb. That was really dumb. But also, I
love the person. I don't love the action. I don't
love anything that happened as a result of the action,
but I do love the person, and I love Canard Davis,
and I hope that whatever happens, he's able to get
the help.
Speaker 4: How can they love him? Because yeah, But.
Speaker 8: But I think the point is that we I don't know,
at least for me, like I just love all people,
like I'm a people first guy.
Speaker 3: Even those that drive under the influence, even though your
father was killed in an accident.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. I love people at the end
of the day. I had this.
Speaker 8: I don't mean to get on a tirade, but like
I had this. My grandma and I were having a
conversation about politics the other day and she said, well,
all these people on that side they do this, and
I'm like, Grandma.
Speaker 4: These are people.
Speaker 8: These are people who feel a certain way about trying
to solve a certain issue. And at the end of
the day, the way I think that Jesus Christ looked
at the world was he loved people. He didn't always
love the action that the people chose. And so that's
how I look at it. And look, if you're the
person who was involved with the accident with Cannard Davis,
if you're the person who has been involved in a
driving under the influence situation and you lost someone to that,
I am by no means telling those people, oh, well,
you should just forgive them and you should love them,
because those people, I think, have seen it a little
bit differently. But for me in this case, I don't
know Canard. I've sat in one presser with him and
he seemed like a really nice kid. But I think
at the end of the day, the second we start saying, well,
this human being deserves to be loved and this one doesn't,
I think we get into a really scary world. And
so I don't know everything and we're gonna learn a
lot more, but really dumb action.
Speaker 4: But I can still love the person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, there's got to be accountability for action. He's
twenty years old, and that's what it comes down to,
and it's unfortunate.
Speaker 4: And this is the thing.
Speaker 3: Like, so, as a if you're a BYU fan, you're
a BYU donor, you're looking for you want not only
donors corporations to align with the Athletic Department and booy
it up, and you want to propagate it as a
missionary tool or as an ambassadorial tool for good, which
we all know that the LDS Church and by you
do a lot of good in the communities. They do
a lot of good internally here I would say in
our community as well. They enter to learn these students
and the student athletes and to learn.
Speaker 4: And go forth to serve.
Speaker 3: The Athletics Department is an ambassadorial program. They are flag
bears of the university. Everyone has to sign the honor Code,
everyone has to abide by it. There are rampifications obviously
we've seen for infringing on that honor code, not only
for students, but in particular for student athletes because they
are put up on a pedestal.
Speaker 4: So when you see things.
Speaker 3: Like this and you're wanting to so foundationally, which I
talk about a lot, when Ba's winning and Bay's doing
it the right way, it is an ambassadorial tool to
introduce the positive fruits of the faith of the people
to other people that are not familiar with the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. They're not familiar
with Brigham Young University, and they say to themselves, Wow,
these are good people. And it humanizes us, and it
humanizes a very small minority.
Speaker 4: Of people in this world.
Speaker 3: Like I've said, but many times, you got seventeen million
members of the Church Juics Christ or Letter Saints. Half
of those are not even active, and then half of
those don't even live within the United States.
Speaker 4: So you got like at most four million in the
United States of America. What do we have right now?
Speaker 3: Over three hundred and fifty million people in the United
States of America. So globally you're like, okay, like you
have eight billion people or what have you. And then
you have three hundred and twenty three hundred and fifty
million people in the United States of America. I don't know,
We've got a recent addit. And only four million of
those are our members.
Speaker 4: Of the church.
Speaker 3: He Deschris of Utter Saints that actually are are are
card carrying right saying hey, we're Mormons. How many people
actually have any sort of experience with Latter Day Saints
outside of what they get on social media, pop culture, TV, Hulu?
Does that make sense? We're only as good as our anecdotes.
So if you're only as good as your anecdotes, and
you see these this news coming out and you're saying
this is an ambassadorial, ambassadorial tool for good, a missionary
tool to introduce people, Everyone's like, okay, well this isn't
very good. Pr You have Jake Retzloff, who's a quarterback,
who's who was accused maybe fallacious, maybe like incorrectly right.
We don't know, because there was maybe some sort of
a settlement, it was never it never went to trial.
Speaker 4: We don't know if he has proven innocent or guilty.
Speaker 3: You have Canard Davis Junior here with the duy are
these are legal things? That's that's the I would say
the dilemma right now because nil is a big part
of it. You're paying players to come and represent BYU
and its brand. It's professional athletics as an extension of
a faith based institution sponsored by the Church of Jesus
Christ Altitic Saints. It's not good. It's not great. We
know as as the president of the of the university stated,
he said this, and I believe I'd have to pull
it up. I think it was on a podcast he admitted.
He said, Look, we want to be competitive in sport,
and we know that we're gonna make mistakes along the way,
but we need to engage essentially in athletics and competing
athletics and try to go about doing good within athletics
within that front porch of the university.
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So is it a step back one hundred percent?
Speaker 3: And there's gonna be plenty of people that are haters
that are going to point to this and say, hey see,
you guys can't.
Speaker 4: Live up to your standard.
Speaker 3: So much for Amary Tool, so much for an ambassadorial tool.
You have Jake Retslof as your face of your football program.
You have Kennard Davis Junior as one of the faces
that have been highlighted all off season to become a
star for the bau Cougar basketball team.
Speaker 4: Do you want these are?
Speaker 3: This is a part of maybe running an athletic department
with young kids making mistakes. You gotta have grace, but
to also have to be accountabilities. The Justice Mercy dilemma,
then Justice and one of my favorite films growing up
within the Church of Just Christ Letter Saints was The
Mediator Justice Mercy.
Speaker 4: Uh, can't have one without the other? Right, can't have
one without the other?
Speaker 3: Any final thoughts, Ronald before we move on and get
into x's and o's and talk some BA football.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think is just a point to answer your question.
I'll just fight out. Yes, anybody is going to have
judgment with this, like Ben, I think you're going to
the severity of it, like I won't lie.
Speaker 5: The Dui affected high saw the situation at first.
Speaker 4: Now we need You're a little soft right now, Ronnie,
I don't know if it ever could hear yes?
Speaker 5: Is that better? Can you hear me? Now or no, yeah, yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 7: Look at it like this, Like when it first happened,
my initial thoughts was like, yeah, that's not good, right,
regardless of the situation, because he can't be under the influence.
Speaker 5: You can't do that.
Speaker 7: I think about when I got my wisdom teeth out,
if my mom would have let me go behind the
wheel when I watched the video, I would have probably
you know, hurt somebody severely, right, And that's what happens
because they gave me proper medication to make sure that
they will perform the surgical task at hand. And look,
he's allowed to have that medication if it's prescribed, if
that's what it is. If it's not and it's alcohol,
I mean, look, we believe in the laws of this country.
That's an article of faith, right, we believe in honoring
the law of the land. So how we view it,
probably some people, whether that's in the church out of
the church, how I view it is from that standpoint,
if it's related to alcohol, then the punishment does probably
need to be more severe because that's what the law says, right,
because the consequences of that, negatively of hurting someone could
out far awaigh then if you were under medications, like Okay,
you shouldn't have been behind the wheel, But we don't
weigh it that way. That's that's where we live and
that's how well we believe in this country, and that's
why you hope for the best because I believe how
Bay you was going to see it as Okay, there
needs to be accountability now, depending what the substance or
the influence or whatever the substance was that it was,
whether it was alcohol, whether it's medication, where whatever the
duy specifically comes out to be ben that is going
to affect that feel what the consequence will become. If
it's he was medicated by that, Kay, he might get
maybe suspension the games. I don't think it'd be suspended
for the season in my personal opinion, for the whole time.
But if it's more severe than that, then I think
you will see a harder punishment. And that's just how
it's weighed. Like think of being you're a parent. I'm
a parent, Brent will be a parent one day. Like
when your kid breaks a rule, the punishment is enforced
strict or depending what was broken. Same with school. That's
how it goes. Is the suspension one day or is
it you're expelled? And I think that's what it's gonna
come down to, is that, And again is just unfortunate.
But regardless of what happens, and I'll say this, and
this might make some people mad, I know Jake ended
up getting seven games left university.
Speaker 5: I am still a big Jake Retzlafe.
Speaker 7: Supporter, even though he had to leave and he didn't
stay for a suspension and wanted him to do well.
Speaker 5: And now I would have.
Speaker 7: Liked him to honor that and do that and show
to people, hey, I'm willing to be accountable, but sometimes
that happens.
Speaker 5: And I think both things are allowed to be true.
Speaker 7: Carnard is allowed to have the justice part, right, he
is also allowed to have the mercy and the love part.
You can't escape any of those three. The problem is
we want to pick one and forget the other two.
And that's how it goes in life. We all want
to be black and white until we want our narrative
to be gray. And this is not a great thing.
And this is a strict the black and white thing.
Is you broke something, there will be a consequence. Depending
on that consequence, there will be an action that will
fit the punishment because of whatever you've done.
Speaker 5: And those are my thoughts on it.
Speaker 7: So I hope for the best, Pray for the best again,
praying for him, everybody involved. And that's the biggest thing
is you don't have the opportunity now to pick being
your consequences of what will come from this. There will
be some type of punishment, I believe. I don't know
how SAVERA would be, but at this point you just
hope for the best and that it wasn't the worst
because that doesn't just jeopardize his time at by you've been,
but his career in frankly, you know, his employment for
the rest of his life.
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Speaker 4: Joe Klatt given some love to the Cougars.
Speaker 3: Breaking down the TCU BYU matchup right now BYU versus
TCU BYUS favored playing on their home turf TCU six
and three, BYU obviously eight and one, top twelve in
the country, and I believe the line is still at
three and a half. Okay, opened at four and a half,
The spread is sitting at three and a half right now,
over under at fifty and a half, So all of
these over unders have been fairly similar recently for the
Kougs and ESPN Analytics in their matchup, predictor give BYUS
seventy three point eight percent chance of victory. Eight fifteen
pm kickoff on November fifteenth at Lavelle Edwards Stadium. Should
be a beautiful evening. Fifty six degrees so not too cold. Actually,
it's kind of interesting, like we're getting into it's no
Fember fourteen, and you thought you'd have snow on the ground.
You thought like it would be kind of a cold
and maybe winter like game. No, it's gonna be a
beautiful fall evening of football. So anyway, this is Joe
Klatt breaking down the TCU BYU game on his show recently.
Speaker 11: This could be a good game out of the Big twelve.
A week after BYU lost at Texas Tech. Now by
you back at home, number twelve in the country, favored
by four and a half, only four and a half.
I thought that that was a decently low number, but
you understand, because TCU has some quality elements, BYU still
controls their own destiny to go and make the Big
twelve championship game. That's an important piece of all of
this thing. They can bounce back from that loss against
Texas Tech. They're generally a really good home team, and
I think it's an underrated environment in Provo.
Speaker 4: That's a great fan base.
Speaker 11: I mean an unbelievable, committed and passionate fan base. I
think Klonie Sataki is one of the better coaches in America.
I think that they'll bounce back. He will get these
guys back. Don't right off BYU because that Tech team
is legit. I think that they lost on the road
to a team that's absolutely a top five to six
team in the country, which they are now reflected in
the rankings, and you know that's that's gonna happen. They
have a freshman quarterback and Bachmeyer I will say, like,
you better defend the pass well against TCU because Josh
Hoover and the Frogs will come in and they'll toss
it around. BYU needs to run the football, and they
need to do it well. They're number two in the
conference running the football. TCUs decent against the run. There
are number three rush defense in the conference, but it's
not nearly as quality as Texas Tech was, which is
the number one rush defense in the Big twelve. BYU
pass defense, they've intercepted twelve balls so far this year.
They're gonna need to do that again, I think because
Hoover averages around three hundred per game. They'll stick around.
Eric McCallister has been pretty good. He's their top target
out wide, top ten in the country and receiving. But again,
I like BYU at home. It's only four and a half.
I like BYU to cover twenty four to seventeen. It's
a tough, physical, old team that's gonna win this game
at home. They know how to play in November, and
so I'm gonna take BYU to cover right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had to throw in the old, didn't he?
What's the average age? Again?
Speaker 3: I know we put this out there. I'll pull it
up here momentarily, but all right, give me your takeaways.
Brett always bringing to Have you listened to this? We
posted it earlier today, Joel Klatt giving some love to
the kooks.
Speaker 4: I feel like we've been gaslighted.
Speaker 8: Did we make up all the stuff about Joel Klatt
not liking BYU? Did we make all that up? And
now we're looking back and like, wait, does he like BYU?
And we just created this notion on our head that
he hated the Cougars for some baby, pseudo anti religious
type of reason.
Speaker 4: Did we make all that up in our head?
Speaker 8: And we're just gaslighting ourselves into believing that he doesn't
like BYU. I don't know, because it seemed to me,
and I gotta say like I was working at Sports
Nation when.
Speaker 4: When Joel Clatt came for.
Speaker 8: The Case State game, and I remember we'd had him
on a couple on the show a couple times, and
I never got the vibe during any of that that
he didn't like BYU. And then we've talked about We've
talked about this season for a guy who doesn't like BYU,
saying that BYU has one of the most committed fan bases,
one of the most underrated places to play, one of
the best coaches in America. That seems like all pretty
good things to say about a team that he supposedly
really has it out against religiously. So I don't know,
but I do appreciate Joel Clatt being objective and unbiased
and picking the team that he believes is the best,
because if you he was biased and he was letting
it play into his picks, I don't think he would.
Speaker 4: Have picked the YU. So shout out to Joe Klatt.
Speaker 3: What do you think the average age is of the
BYU Cougar football player on this roster.
Speaker 4: Give me twenty.
Speaker 8: I want to say, like twenty two and a half,
that's what I want to say, maybe twenty two.
Speaker 3: Where are you at VIC? You said twenty one? Do
you think twenty one? For VIC? Probably Ronald the three
man Weaver? Where do you stand?
Speaker 5: Say twenty three?
Speaker 4: All right, so I got the answer.
Speaker 3: Twenty one and a half years old And for the
twenty twenty five season, boh's youngest player turned eighteen in
the summer just before the season started, while the oldest
is twenty eight. That's Sam vander r right. Wait, wait,
he's twenty eight. You know, brings that average up so high.
I mean, I knew he was old, but I thought
he was like twenty five.
Speaker 4: Is Bear bachmar the youngest? That would be my guess,
but I don't know that for sure. I think he is.
Speaker 5: I'll try to Bear I think would be the youngest.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I think Bear bear Le Mason Waller, there's
the Mason.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because La Mason just came out of high school.
I'm thinking guys that just came in high school, Mason
Bear Yes.
Speaker 4: On those Oh yeah, right, So there you have it.
But Joe Clack give him some love. He does add
in that old like you didn't have to say old.
Speaker 5: I feel like that just qualifies everything. Then he was
so glad.
Speaker 8: All you gotta do is say mature, right, Bengo card
for sure, that is on the b YU football media cliche.
Speaker 3: Old.
Speaker 7: It was casual with a two been he dropped it
a thing you's got. Casual was with that old?
Speaker 4: I was old? How dare you? Joel?
Speaker 3: Like I said, I have said this probably since twenty
twelve when this show launched. Right around this I think
it's twenty eleven, I said, Look, when you beat b YU,
it's because they're old, fat, slow, white return missionaries. When
you lose to b Y us because they're old, fat, slow, mature.
Speaker 4: Why dudes return missionary white dudes.
Speaker 3: That's that's I'm telling you, man, That's what the rhetoric
has been for a long time. Okay, that's just what
they chalk it up to. It's low hanging fruit, right,
low hanging fruit.
Speaker 4: That's how they rolled old.
Speaker 3: Bunch of old return missionaries along the offensive and defensive line.
Speaker 4: That's what you get are there.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, how many return missionaries
are actually on the offensive line? How many return missionaries
are actually on the defensive line.
Speaker 8: So Andrew Gentry, which we will all famously remember for
Jim Harbaugh. Yes, Jim Harbaugh visited him while he was
on his mission. Yeah yeah, Jim Harbaugh. Yes, Isaiah John too.
No Andrew, not Andrew Gentry. Bruce Mitchell, yes, King, Kyle
super Choke No.
Speaker 4: As but not White.
Speaker 7: Oh so okay, we're doing that, okay, but no, no,
but okay, we'll just go return missionary.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Austin Luisa and then defensive line.
Speaker 3: Now are we still going wait they deserve a mission?
Speaker 5: No, okay, okay, so there's three. Okay, so there's three
defensive Hunter Kle yes.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but he's not starting, so it's Loganly too.
Jonathan yes, John, Yes, yes, I think John, John T.
Speaker 5: I think. Let me check then Tody screw over one
second on JT.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll confirm that. But yeah, so you do
have some more return missionaries over on the on the
defensive line. So at anyway, Yeah, okay, so we're old,
but like the twenty eight year old that's not even
like he's not like a member, Like he's not old
because he's a member of.
Speaker 4: The Church of Jesus Christ. And electrics things who served
the mission. He just happened.
Speaker 3: Man's insane insane average age of bas player every BAUS
football players twenty and a half years old.
Speaker 4: And in college football he maybe be you His youngest players.
Speaker 7: Doesn't look like a JT did either, been from what
I'm looking, doesn't say it on his profile.
Speaker 4: So JT didn't.
Speaker 3: Okay, and so did body did? Bu Buddy didn't? Army check?
Speaker 5: I think body did, but let me check.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and then yeah.
Speaker 3: So youngest I think is either la Mason or Bet
turned eighteen in the summer just before the season started,
while it's oldest is twenty eight.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 8: Okay, So I just looked up who are the oldest
college football players in twenty twenty five? This is from
sportingnews dot com and they don't have Sam vander Hart listed.
Really No, there's Monti Harrison, which is the former professional
baseball player who plays wide receiver at Arkansas.
Speaker 4: He is thirty.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, it's because it's because they don't
count kickers and punters as football.
Speaker 8: There's a punter from Hawaii who's older than Sam Vanderhart.
Speaker 4: He's twenty nine.
Speaker 8: Dang that's my age, so they don't they don't list
him on this list. So I guess if we're going
with this Sporting News list, Manti Harrison would be oldest,
Billy Gowers, the puntert Hawaii, would be second oldest, and
then Sam Vanderhart would be the third oldest in college football.
Speaker 3: Crazy Sam, thanks for making us seam older than we
really are. Twenty that that that puts the average up
a little bit, right, Yeah, there's so many.
Speaker 4: I'm like, how much does that really skew the average?
Speaker 8: Like you could have a fifty year old and I
don't know if it would skew the average that.
Speaker 3: Much because you have somebody I wish they would have
put it, like because Trevin Nell got a lot of
heat when they put his name to his age in
twenty ten.
Speaker 5: The oldest in college of basketball.
Speaker 1: He was not they put him up on that old pedestal,
and then you know, so I guess it's maybe it
was wise, Maybe it was judicious of the sid not
to put the oldest Sam vander Hard.
Speaker 3: He would have got because everyone would have like looked
at that and brought it up.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised that hasn't been brought up more.
Speaker 3: It's an easy, low hanging fruit conversation during a BYU
broadcast is like the average age b YU Cougar football
team with fifty three missionaries is twenty one and a half.
Their youngest eighteen bare blachmer lemas wall or whatever their
oldest sam bandar let's slep in on Zam.
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't want to bug him
and make a mad ben.
Speaker 7: I know they get tight of probably their question, even
though it's valid.
Speaker 3: I just say, like, you know, like sometimes like sometimes
if I was, if I was calling you.
Speaker 4: Sometimes b YU is called the old mature team.
Speaker 3: They got strollers and they got stroll panned to the
You have that SoundBite from uh from Bill South?
Speaker 4: By chance you have.
Speaker 5: One second, give me a second?
Speaker 4: I got you. Yeah, do you know talking about.
Speaker 5: I know body?
Speaker 7: Uh body did server a mission ban Fourth Worth, Texas
and Cape Town, South Africa.
Speaker 8: Yes, Bill Soft the one who said strollers or is
that somebody else?
Speaker 3: It was still self said strollers is like like the
sleeping giant.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes I do remember. Oh man,
the strollers kids in the car. Man.
Speaker 3: That'll give you a competitive advantage to go out and
win and hard fought basketball games.
Speaker 4: It's the adversity, the mental and emotional physical.
Speaker 3: Adversity you have to go through through raising children, especially
young young children toddlers.
Speaker 4: Uh, it is hard. I did call my wife earlier today.
I'm like, hey, how you do it. She's like, these
kids they're driving me crazy today.
Speaker 5: Oh I know, I know all about that being the
wife be like, come get your daughter. She's not even
walking yet.
Speaker 3: Oh man, crazy crazy. Anyway, I got all right, just
because I always like laughing about this. We got the
old comment from Joel Klatt and uh, let's just talk
about the sleeping giant b y u bill self for
a moment.
Speaker 6: But the sleeping the sleeping john is by you. Let's
just call it like it is. I mean, but the
sleeping the sleeping john is.
Speaker 9: It.
Speaker 4: I want to hear the strollers.
Speaker 7: Let me find that was that was just from yours,
the five second clip. Sorry, let me that was just
your five second clip. I thought you had the full
one second.
Speaker 4: It's all good man. Well, I love hearing him talk
about strollers.
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite things, the strollers. Man. All right,
what do you got?
Speaker 5: I got the folk clip here we go.
Speaker 4: What do you think of the league with the four
new editions this year?
Speaker 6: Certainly Houston adds a lot, and then the other three
have good basketball as well. Oh yeah, yeah, well, first
of all, Calvin in Houston at a time, and to
be candid with you, you know, obviously Cincinnati has great
basketball history and tradition going back to Oscar and all
the things that Huggs did, Hugs has done did there,
and then of course Wes will do a great job
there and Johnny who is a college basketball hero at
Central Florida and people forget they were just I believe
it was an offensive put back allowed on a misfree throw. Yeah,
going to the sweet sixteenth. So I mean there is
potential there. But the sleeping the sleeping Giant is b
what you Let's just call it like it is. I mean,
it's it's to me and I could be wrong. The
advantage in college basketball now for people that are have
figured it out, and they're continually figuring it out every
every year is how do we get old and stay old?
Speaker 5: Let's just call it like it is.
Speaker 6: Well, if you're gonna get old and stay old, I
think Provo, Utah is probably the place to go place.
You got a place for you, because you're going to
be playing with twenty three twenty four year olds that
have you know, strollers in their in their trunks as
opposed to whatever else, which is a formula for success.
So I do think that that the untapped potential that
exists there is tremendous.
Speaker 4: I mean, what's your reaction to that? Just hearing it
again real quick?
Speaker 8: Who even had kids on this team? I guess Spencer Johnson,
but yeah, but that wasn't until like March though, Like
that's what I'm saying, So he didn't even There's no
way Bill self knew that he was gonna be having
a kid, and there was no one else on the
team who had kids. I'm even trying to think, like
there's not even that many guys on the football team
who have kids. So this notion about strollers is wild.
Speaker 5: Treman Nell had a dog, shout out to THEO, but that.
Speaker 4: Was yeah, yeah, had a dog, but that was it.
Speaker 7: Like I Thinker Johnson's wife was pregnant, she had baby
in February, but like the baby wasn't even born. Yeah,
that's crazy, and that was that was in the off season.
Speaker 5: Mind you, like that's crazy.
Speaker 3: That was going into the twenty twenty four two thousand
was that twenty twenty four twenty twenty five season right
before that?
Speaker 5: That was two? I was twenty three and twenty four.
That was before that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh so it was the year product so two
thousand and three two. Yes, Spencer Johnson wasn't on the
team last year. Oh man, that's crazy, Bill, you crazy? Anyway,
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