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for you. There's a bit of weeping and winning and

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nashing the tie. Some bad news coming out of Brigham

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yesterday as a bou basketball play. It was in a

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car accident and was then later cited for Dui was

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brought into the police station and was it was confirmed

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that he was driving under the influence. We don't have

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the details on what he was under the influence of,

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but we do know he was driving under the influence

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and his car was later impounded. He was released to

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attend to his minor injuries, I believe at a local

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clinic or hospital.

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Speaker 4: So that was Conard Davis Junior. So we're going to

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delve into that.

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Speaker 3: What do we know and what do we need to

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have answered going forward? Uh, it's it's horrible to have

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to discuss this stuff. We want to talk stats, We

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want to talk x's and o's. We want to talk

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about the awards. We want to talk at the wins

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and the losses and the lessons that can be learned

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from losses. The off the field, off the court issues

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are nothing that we want to approach ever on this show.

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And I have been a vocal critic of even the

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monetization of off field, off court incidences, especially if they

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revolve around like honor code issues like I don't want

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to see the martyrdom, you know, figuratively speaking of of

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people's public personas due to undercode violations or purported undercode violations.

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But when it comes becomes legal, you know, we got

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to talk about it. We got to talk about it,

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and and it's unfortunate. So we're going to delve into it.

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What doesn't you know from again on the court standpoint, like,

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how does this impact the quest for a Final four,

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an Elite eight, a Sweet sixteen? You have Nate Pickens

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now who is injured, he's done for the season. He's

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one of your big pickups via the transfer portal. And

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you have Cannard Davis Junior, whose eligibility may be waivering.

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Speaker 4: We don't know. We don't know what the impact could be.

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Speaker 3: Let's say worst case and he doesn't play for the

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Speaker 3: Does that impact by us quest for a Sweet sixteen,

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Elite eight Final four run? Yes, of course it does.

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So who's gonna pick up a slack? That's kind of

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what I want to focus on today. We'll delve into

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that and debate it. So stay tuned, don't go anywhere

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Cougar Sports. So lots of news and notes to get to,

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lots of things to debate. Let's fire up ESPN, the

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Speaker 4: Of Cougar Sports. TH's first and foremost.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to executive producer, my right hand man, the Ronald,

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the three Man Weaver, the bucket Getter.

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Speaker 4: What's up, Ronnie?

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Speaker 5: What's up?

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Speaker 6: Ben?

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Speaker 5: Yeh unfortunate the news about Canard.

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Speaker 7: Just my prayers to Canard, the family, those involved in

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the car accident, as well as as BYU. This is

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something now they have to battle, Coach Young, the entire

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team in the locker room.

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Speaker 5: Everybody involved in this is affected.

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Speaker 7: So I just want to give my prayers to everybody,

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because regardless of how you may feel about it, everyone's.

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Speaker 5: Affected in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 7: But I just pray for the health and safety of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look for me, it's this, you know. Regarding Cannard

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Davis Junior, he.

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Speaker 3: Was cited for suspective UI after two car crash Thursday,

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and provo witnesses playing the other driver may have ran

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the red light and hit the car driven by the

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Cunard Davis Junior. Your teammates stop by brief lease. Davis

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stayed behind with an assistant and was treated for minor injury.

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Police say they had cause to conduct a UI investigation

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and founded his vehicle. He had missed the Delaware game

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with the Achilles Soortus, which raises.

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Speaker 4: Some questions about maybe medication.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you know some sort of medication that could have

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put him under the influence and not made him competent

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enough and aware enough to drive a motor vehicle.

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Speaker 4: But this is the absolute, this is the truth of

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the matter.

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Speaker 3: It is never justified to drive under the influence, whether

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legally prescribe medication, alcohol, or illegal drugs, and safeguards must

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always be put in place in order to prevent such

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driving from occurring. Accountability will be required regardless of the

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substance involved. There's no excuse for impaired driving. Okay, So

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I'm gonna get that's like the foundational truth of all this.

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And we all make mistakes. I have made plenty mistakes.

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I think every single one of you guys that are

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on the show with me today and those that are

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listening to the show. Some may have made bigger mistakes

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than others, but we've all made mistakes. And if our

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sins were publicly showcased for all the world to behold,

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digital resume, our physical resume, Like, Hey, these are all

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the bad decisions I've made in lot, these are the

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ones I got away with and these are the ones

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that I probably could have been either legally or let's say,

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spiritually or religiously reprimanded for we'd all have a little

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bit of an egg on our.

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Speaker 4: Face about our poor decisions.

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Speaker 3: Now, like I said baseline foundation, like, there's no excuse

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because you're putting others in harm's way. And we have

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had friends and family members pass away due to people

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driving under the influence. So I will have no tolerance

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for people driving under the influence. I don't care how

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old you are. Once you have a driver's license, you

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drive under the influences. And and and there's gonna be

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ramifications for that. There's gonna be accountability for that, and

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there should be. But I do have grace. I do

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have forgiveness for all those that do make mistakes, as

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does I think deity. And so you take it in

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stride and you hope the the accountability is just and fair.

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And we got to move on and discuss what the

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So appreciate Ronnie being here. Let's also welcome in.

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Speaker 4: Brett. Always bring the hammer, hammertop show, what's up Hammer time?

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Can I lighten the mood before we do something serious?

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I would love a little levity. Let's bring in the levity.

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Speaker 8: So I got a message last night a couple of

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days ago from a gentleman named Dave. He owns a

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restaurant down in Orum, and I didn't know this. Maybe

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you know the restauran I'm talking about. It's called Milagros.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love Mologra. I didn't know this, but.

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Speaker 8: Apparently that is like the restaurant of choice of the

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coaches and apparently that's where Bronco Mendenhall used to come

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da dah whatever, and we're like cool, like I'd love

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Speaker 4: He brought us down there. He's a big fan.

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Speaker 8: And I got to sit at Bronco Mendenhall's coaches table,

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kind of secluded over there in the kitchen, and Dave

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was telling me all these incredible stories about recruits that

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used to come through there, and there's a diamond plated

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mouthpiece of Jamal Williams that's up there. Somewhere in the helmet.

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such a cool experience, and he was telling me about

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his time being on Chain Gang and it was just

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so cool because, like, we do this show right, and

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Speaker 4: To it, because that's I don't know, that's the pessimist

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Speaker 4: Of BYU history.

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Speaker 8: And one of the things that he told me was,

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you know, like I like listening to you guys, and

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how it takes me.

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Speaker 4: Away from some of the rougher parts of the world.

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Speaker 8: And unfortunately, those rougher parts of the world are some

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Speaker 4: To talk to talk about today.

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Speaker 8: However, teaser spoiler alert for everyone, We're not gonna spend

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all day on this. We are going to talk ball.

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We are going to talk TCU and BYU and.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I appreciated getting to meet someone who enjoys what we

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positive impact on their life. I'm so grateful that we

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get to even do this at all. So shout out

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to Dave, Shout out to all of the fans all

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across Cougrenation who spend their day with us.

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Speaker 4: We really do appreciate it, and we have a lot

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of fun doing it, and we can only do it

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because they allow us to do it. So really grateful.

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Speaker 3: Unders Yeah, and look, Kugrenation is is expansive man, and

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they love talking ball.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you that much. I've been doing this for

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Speaker 3: I've launched into sports media in two thousand and eight,

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and it never sees is to amaze me just how loyal,

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strong and true Cougarnation is and how they continue to consume.

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I tell them all the time, like, you can never

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have too much content for Kugarnation, you can never have

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Speaker 4: I don't think you know any one of us who's.

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Speaker 3: Always declaratively and without folly in our takes. Right, We're

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Speaker 4: Of stuff like this, and we got to delve into

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know about the Canard Davis Junior situation? Okay, uh, let's

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just start off with Cannard Davis Junior was a highly

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touted recruit, okay, who played for SIU Southern Illinois. The

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slukis If you don't know what a suluki is, it's okay, uh,

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but you need to know about them. Sulukis b YU

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two hundred fifteen pounds junior out of Saint Louis, Missouri.

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He was a bucket. He was fantastic for the Sulukis

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those two seasons he played in. I believe sixty four

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games started a majority of those, I believe forty one overall.

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Speaker 4: Was averaging.

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Speaker 3: You know, in the his final year with Sulukis thirty

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four minutes per game, forty five point five percent from

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the field, thirty seven point six percent from the three

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point line, seventy six point three percent from the charities right,

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one point or excuse me, four point nine rebounds per game,

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two point six assists, and uh was a phenomenal defender

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one point three steals, sixteen point three points per game.

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his way consistently to state that Cannard Davis Junior was

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the the underrated guy on this roster, that everyone's gonna

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get to know this guy, that he's a true three

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and D guy.

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Speaker 4: He was the individual that I.

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Speaker 3: Believe was slated and tabbed to replace what Mag right

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mo what Mag was a fantastic acquisition last year was

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like so effective, so efficient.

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Speaker 4: He took the.

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Speaker 3: Job of a four star, highly touted, you be it,

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five star recruit that came to BA. He was a

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true freshman who's now playing in I believe in the

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acc and doing you know or sorry sec he's with

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Kentucky and yeah, didn't he tr did he can transfer

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to Kentucky? Now I'm forgetting Ronald. You have to help

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me out with that one. But he was able to

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overtake a highly doubted recruit that that everybody had slated

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to become a big deal and maybe even a one

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and done at BYU. So canar Davis Junior had been

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elevated in the eyes of KY as a huge impact

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basketball player for this year. Now his future is in question.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be overly dramatic, but whenever you're

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you're you've you've been arrested, essentially for Duy. That's a

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big deal. It's a huge deal. There's ramplications for that.

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There's legal ramifications for that, especially because you were in

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an accident, even if it wasn't your fault, you know,

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by the video and by the eyewitnesses et cetera. You're

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still under the influence, not gonna have it. There's gonna

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be rampifications. There's gonna be also a punishment given, uh,

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probably by the school, probably by the program. You got

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to have some sort of accountability, So his eligibility, I

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don't know how long. I don't know how for you

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know how severe the punishment will be.

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Speaker 4: But this is a big deal. This is a very

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big deal, especially considering that Nate Pickens, also.

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is out for the season with an injury. So you

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have two acquisitions via the portal that have been hyped,

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have been elevated as impact players that are not, at

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least for the foreseeable stuture, not going to be playing

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for BYU. That's a big deal, especially with AJ debonds.

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I don't know if anyone's keeping track of this. It's

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national championship or bust for AJ. Have you guys recently

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read this article. I mean it's and looks his justification

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as no one remembers that Houston was the runner up

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last year. We do because we cover the Big twelve.

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Is that valid? Well, most of us don't remember who

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the runner up in any Championship game was unless we're

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following it consistently as media or as fans. Most of

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the general population only remembers the numero. So there is

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truth and validity to that statement. So I know what

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quota is. Quota is for me, it was an Elite

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eight run, but with two guys out now I don't

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for who knows how long I may have to say.

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Speaker 4: Quota may be reverted to Sweet sixteen. But what changes

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Speaker 3: Let's say this is more of a long term suspension

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and you don't get Cannard Davis Junior back due to

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not only how BYU operates, but also how you know

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the legal also because of the legal ramplications for this,

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let's say worst case scenario, does that change though your

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outlook Brett always bringing the hammer.

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Speaker 8: I still think it needs to be seen because I

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do think this team is so uber talented that losing

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one guy as good as Canard Davis is with everything

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that he can do, there's so much talent behind him

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that I don't think BAU falls off a cliff losing

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Canard Davis Junior.

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Speaker 4: Now, that still remains to be seen.

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Speaker 8: What does that talent because we haven't necessarily seen Alexei

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Kostitch play big minutes. We haven't necessarily seen Tyler Russ

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play big minutes. Your big question is going to be

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who's gonna fill in that guard spot, who is going

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to be that backup point guard, especially now that you've

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also lost Nate Pickens. We saw a lot of good

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stuff from Dawson Baker in the Delaware game the other night, and.

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Speaker 4: So I do believe.

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Speaker 8: Look, we always say it in KYU, we trust Kevin

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Young is a basketball genius. I believe in him to

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find a way to figure this out. So even without

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Kennar Davis Junior, I still don't think that changes too

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much about the outlook for this team. I think there's

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so much talent. I think there's so much genius on

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this team. I think they can find a way to

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figure it out. But I also think it's too early

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in the season to say just how critical of an

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impact this will be.

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Speaker 3: Rob Right, the third, Dawson Baker, Richers, Alexi Coastick, you

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know those are your guys. Tyler Moruss is a shooting

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guard as well, sixty seven shooting guard, but he's not

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necessarily a primary ball handler by any means.

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Speaker 4: Or even is he a secondary ball handle.

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Speaker 3: I think he was brought into to be a kind

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of catch and shoot guy, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah,

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you're a little bit thinner on the guard line. Is

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Richie gonna have to take some of those two guard spots?

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Is he gonna have to handle a little bit more?

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Are you gonna see Richie and pick and roll situations?

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AJ we know wants to handle the ball. The load

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on AJ's shoulders I think has now been significantly added

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to Cannard Davis Junior in the two games that he played.

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I think showcasing ability not only to be a good defender,

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a fantastic defender, good rebounder, but a nice catching shoot

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guy in the corner.

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Speaker 4: A J.

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Speaker 3: Debots is supposed to be a playmaker for everybody, and

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you'll lose out on a great playmaker on both ends

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of the floor with Cannard Davis Junior. Now look Nate

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Pickens too, by the way. You know, we didn't get

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seen Nate, but Nate was going to be a nice

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addition as well. So a little bit heavier burden on

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rob Wright, heavy burdon Dawson Baker is the one that

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got the start in the absence of Kennar Davis Junior,

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Dawson's got to pick up the pace. Dawson's got to

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be a better defender. Dawson's got to be a better

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catch and shoot guy. Quite honestly, his mechanics from a

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three point shooting standpoint, they're a little bit slower and

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a little bit more elongated, and so when he's having

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to rush his mechanics, he's a little bit off. You

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can get him a wide open three and then he

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hits and he's squared squared up to the basket. So

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Alexi may have a bigger role now, and we like

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the acquisition of the late acquisition, and he's a nice, nice.

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Speaker 4: Player, no doubt. But man like this is.

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Speaker 3: This is not the situation that we wanted to be

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in to start the season by any means. Ronald the

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three man, we forgive me your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is just unfortunate.

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Speaker 7: Guys, No one's gonna like what I have to say

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about this, But the expectations do change. Why Kevin Young,

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you know, said that Cannard Davis Junior could be all

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big twelve defender.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you just can't replace.

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Speaker 7: That, Like, I mean, you lose a backup ball handler

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and Nate Pickens, who was brought in per Kevin Young

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to be a part of this team, Like they went

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into the port and constructed this team around his skill set.

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Speaker 5: He's gone.

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Speaker 7: Now we don't know what's gonna happen with Canard, right,

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I don't want to speculate, but worts Cassnraben if he's not,

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If he's gone for the entire season, that affects this

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team's and the expectation. I can't just say elite A

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competing for a Final four berth Like, yes, that puts

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more on AJ's shoulders for a low but Canard's skill

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set was supposed to be the muwat mag take out

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the best defender. Now you're gonna put more of that

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on AJ and put AJ at risk of more foul

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trouble on that. Sure he can do it, but it

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just takes a depth piece away that you add.

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Speaker 5: It's a starter.

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Speaker 7: It's not like it's a role player, and no one

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on the bench yet has showcased that they've been able

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to willing to step up, Like, yeah, Tyler Morross is great,

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but like his.

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Speaker 5: Role wasn't supposed to be the Canard role.

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Speaker 7: Cannard was supposed to play twenty five somewhere to thirty

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minutes to be able to take that role on and

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do that. Sure you could replace it, but then, okay,

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who's going to replace Tyler's role? Who now has to

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step up at the guard line? You're getting thin there.

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So this is deeper than what I believe people to believe.

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They might be able to manage it. But long term wise,

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once you get deep in the march, I think it's

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more significant than people think. Right now, they'll be able

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to figure it out, they'll be at adjust but I

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think long term wise, when you need a crucial defender,

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when you need a guy to take out Emmanual Sharp,

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when you're looking for the guy who's going to guard

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the guy in Houston, I don't see that guy right

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now on this team. I mean, sure AJ can do

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a little bit, but AG is gonna have to guard

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other athletic wings. But from the guard line particular, not

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having Canard, if that would be the case, is a

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big loss in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Guys, the two things that the gaps that needed to

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be filled, the voids that needed to be filled, were

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what Number One, better perimeter defense this offseason? Number Two,

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three point shooting three YU needed to continue within the

475
00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:51,839
BA basketball program. Let me tell you both of these

476
00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:56,079
players are great defenders. And number two Ny Pickin shot

477
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,200
thirty nine point two percent from the three point line

478
00:22:58,279 --> 00:23:02,559
last year and the Saluki transfer Canard Davis Junior shot

479
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:07,119
thirty seven point five percent from the three point line, sorry,

480
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,240
thirty seven point six percent from the three point line.

481
00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:13,559
Those are two very good proven shooters. So yes, this

482
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,119
is impactful. And look, I want to be a Pine.

483
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,160
The sky blue goggled bands are in full, but this

484
00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:23,599
is impactful. The two things that you wanted to level

485
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,680
up on was perimeter defense and three point shooting, and

486
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:28,519
up to this point, the three point shooting hasn't been there,

487
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,759
but I think the perimeter defense you could. You have

488
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,599
noticeably seen what can happen when you have great perimeter defense.

489
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 4: And I think in.

490
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,079
Speaker 3: Particularly the Villanova game, when you had to get stops

491
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,359
guys fighting through those perimeter screams on the defensive end,

492
00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:47,119
it was awesome. You get chipped, you get bumped, but

493
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,240
you're fighting through because you're your your.

494
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:52,799
Speaker 4: Long, athletic, quick physical like.

495
00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,839
Speaker 3: You get bumped off those screens sometimes, but you're able

496
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,640
to catch up and you're not all that off, you're

497
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,720
half step behind. That's what you you're missing out on.

498
00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:02,640
That's what you could be missing out. And can Dawson

499
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,920
do that? And can Alexi do that? What Nate Pickens

500
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,400
and Cannard Davis Junior could do? I don't think so.

501
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,160
They're two they're different players. Not to take anything away

502
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,400
from Dawson, they have their strengths. Not to take anything

503
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,160
away from Alexi, you have their strengths. But yeah, this

504
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,759
does make me a little bit more moderate my approach.

505
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,319
I don't know if my quota is is Elite eight anymore.

506
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,559
I don't know, Like that's a heavy burden for aj

507
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,559
to take on his shoulders and and and maybe he's

508
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,759
up for it, maybe he's built for it. Maybe he's

509
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:38,000
ready to take on that burden the crown. Yeah exactly, man, Yeah,

510
00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:42,480
it's a heavy burden. So give me your thoughts. Skugernation,

511
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,359
What do we know about the Canard Davis Junior situation?

512
00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:51,200
It's uh, you know, in summary and I don't know

513
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,359
if you guys have read through all the reports, including

514
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,640
the police report, but you know it doesn't look great.

515
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,880
But let me ask you this, Actually, if I was

516
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,240
to put out a poll right now, does the substance

517
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:12,119
that he took like impact your evow and judgment of

518
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,440
the situation, like the substance that if it's a prescribed medication,

519
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,119
which I believe I think it is. He was suffering

520
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,200
from an injury achilles soreness, He's getting ready for a flight.

521
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:30,480
This could be the medication, the pain meds plus anti anxiety,

522
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,559
anti nausea. You know there are there are certain medications

523
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:35,640
given to athletes before they get on flights.

524
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 4: Sometimes it could be an ambient.

525
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,799
Speaker 3: It could be, you know, for sleep, just to be

526
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:41,960
able to get into that mode. And he may have

527
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:45,759
taken those pills prior to getting on the plane, right

528
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:48,680
he did. Some will take him once you get on

529
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,880
the plane. Some will probably take him before. He shouldn't

530
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,680
have been driving. That's where he's gonna be held accountable, obviously,

531
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:56,839
But does it matter what he took and how he

532
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,240
became under the influence.

533
00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 8: My biggest takeaway from this entire story is I'm just

534
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:07,880
grateful that nobody was hurt, to be quite frank, and

535
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,799
I know there's gonna be a lot made of everything

536
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,119
going on, but like, I just look at life so

537
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,079
much as somebody who lost the dad.

538
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 4: To an accident.

539
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,599
Speaker 8: I don't look at these are This is not a

540
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,519
story to me, Ben, This is not oh my gosh,

541
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:21,599
you hear what happened to the canary.

542
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,759
Speaker 4: This is a real situation.

543
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, that happened to a real person, And we should

544
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:28,640
be grateful that the other individual who was involved in

545
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,160
this accident, whether they were at fault or not, that

546
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,279
person gets to go home and see their family. The

547
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,680
Davis family still gets to have a son. He's not

548
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,160
injured to a serious degree, and he wasn't killed. So

549
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,640
I think that's at least for me, that's takeaway number

550
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,440
one is like, let's be so grateful that nobody was

551
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,599
hurt in this accident, because there are real people involved

552
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,640
with this story, and there are real people who are affected.

553
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: And let's be real.

554
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 8: We spent a lot of last week talking about Ivan

555
00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:00,839
over at Texas Tech and the accident that his wife

556
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,440
was involved in, which was a DUI related accident. Yep,

557
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:07,759
And again, great things are happening, but it would have

558
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:09,880
been even greater is if that accident had never happened

559
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,599
in the first place. And so I'm just really grateful, honestly,

560
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,720
that was that was the first thing that I needed

561
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,680
to see when I read this story was was anybody hurt?

562
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 4: Was everybody okay?

563
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 8: Now the word is that Kennard Davis had minor injuries,

564
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,319
but again, when you're talking about DUI, you are talking

565
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,079
about serious injuries and often fatality. So for me, the

566
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,119
number one most important thing is making sure that everybody

567
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,400
was okay in this accident.

568
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: And then we could talk about everything else afterwards.

569
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:40,839
Speaker 8: We could talk about how it affects by basketball, we

570
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:43,079
can talk about what substance he was partaking of, we

571
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,000
can talk about all that stuff, But the number one

572
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,920
most important thing to me is that everybody was okay.

573
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,680
And I think we should be very grateful that everyone's

574
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,799
okay and that we're not having to sit here talking

575
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,279
about manslaughter or fatality or.

576
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 4: Anything like that.

577
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,279
Speaker 8: We are so grateful and lucky that nobody was hurt

578
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,680
in this accident. That's number one. Number two to your

579
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,880
point in your question, does it matter the substance that

580
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,599
he was taking.

581
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 4: That's a tough one.

582
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:18,039
Speaker 3: To because the alcohol THC prescribe medications right like edibles,

583
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,519
like whatever it is that put him under the influence.

584
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 4: Does it matter?

585
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:27,839
Speaker 8: Again, this is one of those things where it's like,

586
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,160
if we're if we're in any other circumstances, somebody was hurt,

587
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,880
then the answer is no. Because nobody was hurt, we

588
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960
get the luxury of getting to really talk about splitting

589
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,440
hairs here.

590
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 4: And does it matter what substance he was on and whatnot?

591
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 8: Again, we're speculating here a little bit because we don't

592
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:47,799
know exactly what he was under the influence of. I

593
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,839
think we would all agree that drinking and driving is

594
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,359
probably the worst epidemic in the entirety of the planet

595
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,480
that we live on. I'm so I'm grateful that it

596
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,720
wasn't that. I think when it's medical and there's medication involved,

597
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,480
if that is the case, that's probably better. But again,

598
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:10,000
I don't really like using the word better because we're

599
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,240
talking about an accident that could have taken someone's Does

600
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,599
it change your judgment, my judgment of Cannard Davis?

601
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, are you more harshly judgmental towards Canard if

602
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:24,960
it's something either illegal alcohol, you know, which obviously it's

603
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,480
illegal to just be under the influence, right, but alcohol,

604
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:27,759
I don't.

605
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 4: I think he's only twenty years old, Yes he is.

606
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,799
Speaker 10: So it was alcohol, it would have been under in drinking,

607
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,799
which if it's an edible of some sort, it's a

608
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:38,559
THHD based or what have you like, does that change

609
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,960
the way that you judge the incident.

610
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,519
Speaker 4: You know, that's tough.

611
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 8: Ronald brought up a really great point to me when

612
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,920
he and I had this had a conversation about this

613
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,200
last night, and we were talking about how oftentimes in sports,

614
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,319
when you have a story like this, and the media

615
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:59,680
and the fans and we go and talk about it,

616
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,799
and so sometimes we put a guy down from making

617
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:06,960
a poor choice. And it's very easy when that individual

618
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:10,480
can oar Davis in this situation. Others at BUYU, others

619
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:14,640
athletes at other universities, they see all that negativity online

620
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,119
and then they are forever attached to the mistake that

621
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,160
they made. And so my judgment of Kamar Davis and

622
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,519
my judgment of the situation, again, I'm grateful that it's

623
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:27,519
not I guess I'm not grateful. I'm hopeful that it's

624
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,599
not drinking and driving, because I think that one that

625
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,640
one is really hard to make. Any kind of alleviations.

626
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 4: Got to get help immediately.

627
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 8: If it's alcohol related, then that's a whole different category.

628
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,000
If it's medical, then still you got to know, like, hey,

629
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:50,680
I shouldn't be driving with this. But I think, yeah,

630
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:53,119
probably you judge it a little bit differently. But I

631
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:54,400
think for me, at the end of the day, I

632
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,759
think what we understand is there's a couple of clear

633
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,920
cut things here. We're really upset with the decision that

634
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,160
was made. Whatever the substance was, you should not be

635
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,200
driving if you know that you're under the influence. However,

636
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:09,759
to the point that you made earlier in the show,

637
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,960
if all of my mistakes were on the Internet for

638
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,640
everyone to see, that would be a rough life for

639
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,559
me to live. And so I think we have to

640
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,319
do this thing where we balance and say, Canard Man,

641
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:24,240
that was dumb. That was really dumb. But also, I

642
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,880
love the person. I don't love the action. I don't

643
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,039
love anything that happened as a result of the action,

644
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,680
but I do love the person, and I love Canard Davis,

645
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,000
and I hope that whatever happens, he's able to get

646
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:34,319
the help.

647
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,599
Speaker 4: How can they love him? Because yeah, But.

648
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:40,359
Speaker 8: But I think the point is that we I don't know,

649
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:42,680
at least for me, like I just love all people,

650
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,519
like I'm a people first guy.

651
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: Even those that drive under the influence, even though your

652
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,720
father was killed in an accident.

653
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. I love people at the end

654
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:52,440
of the day. I had this.

655
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:55,119
Speaker 8: I don't mean to get on a tirade, but like

656
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,960
I had this. My grandma and I were having a

657
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,720
conversation about politics the other day and she said, well,

658
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:01,880
all these people on that side they do this, and

659
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,200
I'm like, Grandma.

660
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,519
Speaker 4: These are people.

661
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 8: These are people who feel a certain way about trying

662
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,839
to solve a certain issue. And at the end of

663
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,880
the day, the way I think that Jesus Christ looked

664
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,200
at the world was he loved people. He didn't always

665
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,400
love the action that the people chose. And so that's

666
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,599
how I look at it. And look, if you're the

667
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,240
person who was involved with the accident with Cannard Davis,

668
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,759
if you're the person who has been involved in a

669
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:27,000
driving under the influence situation and you lost someone to that,

670
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:29,359
I am by no means telling those people, oh, well,

671
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,960
you should just forgive them and you should love them,

672
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,880
because those people, I think, have seen it a little

673
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,880
bit differently. But for me in this case, I don't

674
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,359
know Canard. I've sat in one presser with him and

675
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,480
he seemed like a really nice kid. But I think

676
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,440
at the end of the day, the second we start saying, well,

677
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,039
this human being deserves to be loved and this one doesn't,

678
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,160
I think we get into a really scary world. And

679
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,400
so I don't know everything and we're gonna learn a

680
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960
lot more, but really dumb action.

681
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:54,559
Speaker 4: But I can still love the person.

682
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, there's got to be accountability for action. He's

683
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:01,279
twenty years old, and that's what it comes down to,

684
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,319
and it's unfortunate.

685
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,839
Speaker 4: And this is the thing.

686
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:09,119
Speaker 3: Like, so, as a if you're a BYU fan, you're

687
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,599
a BYU donor, you're looking for you want not only

688
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:20,920
donors corporations to align with the Athletic Department and booy

689
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,319
it up, and you want to propagate it as a

690
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:27,119
missionary tool or as an ambassadorial tool for good, which

691
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,279
we all know that the LDS Church and by you

692
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,920
do a lot of good in the communities. They do

693
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,200
a lot of good internally here I would say in

694
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:39,519
our community as well. They enter to learn these students

695
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:40,920
and the student athletes and to learn.

696
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:41,559
Speaker 4: And go forth to serve.

697
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,279
Speaker 3: The Athletics Department is an ambassadorial program. They are flag

698
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:49,480
bears of the university. Everyone has to sign the honor Code,

699
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,240
everyone has to abide by it. There are rampifications obviously

700
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,880
we've seen for infringing on that honor code, not only

701
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,240
for students, but in particular for student athletes because they

702
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,160
are put up on a pedestal.

703
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,039
Speaker 4: So when you see things.

704
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,599
Speaker 3: Like this and you're wanting to so foundationally, which I

705
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,039
talk about a lot, when Ba's winning and Bay's doing

706
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:14,119
it the right way, it is an ambassadorial tool to

707
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,480
introduce the positive fruits of the faith of the people

708
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,679
to other people that are not familiar with the Church

709
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,639
of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. They're not familiar

710
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,079
with Brigham Young University, and they say to themselves, Wow,

711
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,440
these are good people. And it humanizes us, and it

712
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humanizes a very small minority.

713
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 4: Of people in this world.

714
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 3: Like I've said, but many times, you got seventeen million

715
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,559
members of the Church Juics Christ or Letter Saints. Half

716
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:38,679
of those are not even active, and then half of

717
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,960
those don't even live within the United States.

718
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 4: So you got like at most four million in the

719
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:48,559
United States of America. What do we have right now?

720
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: Over three hundred and fifty million people in the United

721
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:54,519
States of America. So globally you're like, okay, like you

722
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:56,480
have eight billion people or what have you. And then

723
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,400
you have three hundred and twenty three hundred and fifty

724
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,960
million people in the United States of America. I don't know,

725
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,480
We've got a recent addit. And only four million of

726
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:03,920
those are our members.

727
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: Of the church.

728
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: He Deschris of Utter Saints that actually are are are

729
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,079
card carrying right saying hey, we're Mormons. How many people

730
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:14,320
actually have any sort of experience with Latter Day Saints

731
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,559
outside of what they get on social media, pop culture, TV, Hulu?

732
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,039
Does that make sense? We're only as good as our anecdotes.

733
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,679
So if you're only as good as your anecdotes, and

734
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,039
you see these this news coming out and you're saying

735
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,840
this is an ambassadorial, ambassadorial tool for good, a missionary

736
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,440
tool to introduce people, Everyone's like, okay, well this isn't

737
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,519
very good. Pr You have Jake Retzloff, who's a quarterback,

738
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:46,119
who's who was accused maybe fallacious, maybe like incorrectly right.

739
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,679
We don't know, because there was maybe some sort of

740
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,519
a settlement, it was never it never went to trial.

741
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Speaker 4: We don't know if he has proven innocent or guilty.

742
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:57,199
Speaker 3: You have Canard Davis Junior here with the duy are

743
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:04,000
these are legal things? That's that's the I would say

744
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,079
the dilemma right now because nil is a big part

745
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,559
of it. You're paying players to come and represent BYU

746
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:14,599
and its brand. It's professional athletics as an extension of

747
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,519
a faith based institution sponsored by the Church of Jesus

748
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,440
Christ Altitic Saints. It's not good. It's not great. We

749
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:25,840
know as as the president of the of the university stated,

750
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,079
he said this, and I believe I'd have to pull

751
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,119
it up. I think it was on a podcast he admitted.

752
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:36,320
He said, Look, we want to be competitive in sport,

753
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,400
and we know that we're gonna make mistakes along the way,

754
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,840
but we need to engage essentially in athletics and competing

755
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,599
athletics and try to go about doing good within athletics

756
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,360
within that front porch of the university.

757
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?

758
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:50,519
Speaker 5: Yeah?

759
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,119
Speaker 4: So is it a step back one hundred percent?

760
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: And there's gonna be plenty of people that are haters

761
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,920
that are going to point to this and say, hey see,

762
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,199
you guys can't.

763
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,039
Speaker 4: Live up to your standard.

764
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,079
Speaker 3: So much for Amary Tool, so much for an ambassadorial tool.

765
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,199
You have Jake Retslof as your face of your football program.

766
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,559
You have Kennard Davis Junior as one of the faces

767
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,039
that have been highlighted all off season to become a

768
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,199
star for the bau Cougar basketball team.

769
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 4: Do you want these are?

770
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 3: This is a part of maybe running an athletic department

771
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,719
with young kids making mistakes. You gotta have grace, but

772
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,519
to also have to be accountabilities. The Justice Mercy dilemma,

773
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:36,079
then Justice and one of my favorite films growing up

774
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,159
within the Church of Just Christ Letter Saints was The

775
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,159
Mediator Justice Mercy.

776
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,519
Speaker 4: Uh, can't have one without the other? Right, can't have

777
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:44,119
one without the other?

778
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: Any final thoughts, Ronald before we move on and get

779
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,920
into x's and o's and talk some BA football.

780
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:51,199
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think is just a point to answer your question.

781
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,079
I'll just fight out. Yes, anybody is going to have

782
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,360
judgment with this, like Ben, I think you're going to

783
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,639
the severity of it, like I won't lie.

784
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:03,639
Speaker 5: The Dui affected high saw the situation at first.

785
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: Now we need You're a little soft right now, Ronnie,

786
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:06,519
I don't know if it ever could hear yes?

787
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 5: Is that better? Can you hear me? Now or no, yeah, yeah, okay, I.

788
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:12,199
Speaker 7: Look at it like this, Like when it first happened,

789
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,559
my initial thoughts was like, yeah, that's not good, right,

790
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:18,159
regardless of the situation, because he can't be under the influence.

791
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:18,639
Speaker 5: You can't do that.

792
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,599
Speaker 7: I think about when I got my wisdom teeth out,

793
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,280
if my mom would have let me go behind the

794
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,239
wheel when I watched the video, I would have probably

795
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,880
you know, hurt somebody severely, right, And that's what happens

796
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,000
because they gave me proper medication to make sure that

797
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:32,199
they will perform the surgical task at hand. And look,

798
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,039
he's allowed to have that medication if it's prescribed, if

799
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,239
that's what it is. If it's not and it's alcohol,

800
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,480
I mean, look, we believe in the laws of this country.

801
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,679
That's an article of faith, right, we believe in honoring

802
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:44,679
the law of the land. So how we view it,

803
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,000
probably some people, whether that's in the church out of

804
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,039
the church, how I view it is from that standpoint,

805
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,840
if it's related to alcohol, then the punishment does probably

806
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,239
need to be more severe because that's what the law says, right,

807
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,599
because the consequences of that, negatively of hurting someone could

808
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,199
out far awaigh then if you were under medications, like Okay,

809
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:05,320
you shouldn't have been behind the wheel, But we don't

810
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,400
weigh it that way. That's that's where we live and

811
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,960
that's how well we believe in this country, and that's

812
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,800
why you hope for the best because I believe how

813
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,840
Bay you was going to see it as Okay, there

814
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,960
needs to be accountability now, depending what the substance or

815
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,199
the influence or whatever the substance was that it was,

816
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,920
whether it was alcohol, whether it's medication, where whatever the

817
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,280
duy specifically comes out to be ben that is going

818
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,440
to affect that feel what the consequence will become. If

819
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,559
it's he was medicated by that, Kay, he might get

820
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:33,599
maybe suspension the games. I don't think it'd be suspended

821
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:36,400
for the season in my personal opinion, for the whole time.

822
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,519
But if it's more severe than that, then I think

823
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:41,119
you will see a harder punishment. And that's just how

824
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:43,199
it's weighed. Like think of being you're a parent. I'm

825
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,519
a parent, Brent will be a parent one day. Like

826
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:50,119
when your kid breaks a rule, the punishment is enforced

827
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,639
strict or depending what was broken. Same with school. That's

828
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,079
how it goes. Is the suspension one day or is

829
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,599
it you're expelled? And I think that's what it's gonna

830
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,159
come down to, is that, And again is just unfortunate.

831
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:02,880
But regardless of what happens, and I'll say this, and

832
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,440
this might make some people mad, I know Jake ended

833
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:07,480
up getting seven games left university.

834
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 5: I am still a big Jake Retzlafe.

835
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,079
Speaker 7: Supporter, even though he had to leave and he didn't

836
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,400
stay for a suspension and wanted him to do well.

837
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: And now I would have.

838
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 7: Liked him to honor that and do that and show

839
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,280
to people, hey, I'm willing to be accountable, but sometimes

840
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:18,719
that happens.

841
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 5: And I think both things are allowed to be true.

842
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 7: Carnard is allowed to have the justice part, right, he

843
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,480
is also allowed to have the mercy and the love part.

844
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,559
You can't escape any of those three. The problem is

845
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,719
we want to pick one and forget the other two.

846
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:32,599
And that's how it goes in life. We all want

847
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:34,559
to be black and white until we want our narrative

848
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:36,719
to be gray. And this is not a great thing.

849
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,280
And this is a strict the black and white thing.

850
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,639
Is you broke something, there will be a consequence. Depending

851
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:43,599
on that consequence, there will be an action that will

852
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:45,880
fit the punishment because of whatever you've done.

853
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 5: And those are my thoughts on it.

854
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,199
Speaker 7: So I hope for the best, Pray for the best again,

855
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,079
praying for him, everybody involved. And that's the biggest thing

856
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,000
is you don't have the opportunity now to pick being

857
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
your consequences of what will come from this. There will

858
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,079
be some type of punishment, I believe. I don't know

859
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,039
how SAVERA would be, but at this point you just

860
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,159
hope for the best and that it wasn't the worst

861
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:06,159
because that doesn't just jeopardize his time at by you've been,

862
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:09,000
but his career in frankly, you know, his employment for

863
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:09,960
the rest of his life.

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game from four to kickoff, and guys, we're gonna have

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delicious hot dogs and hot chocolate. Will be distributing, will

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be playing college football games on our flat screens as

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well as the BAU basketball game as they take on

903
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,800
Uka the Yukon Huskies. But gonna get into a little

904
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,159
question and poll of the day in this segment, Maybe

905
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:16,039
play a little bit of sound for you as well.

906
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:19,519
Speaker 4: Joe Klatt given some love to the Cougars.

907
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,199
Speaker 3: Breaking down the TCU BYU matchup right now BYU versus

908
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:29,039
TCU BYUS favored playing on their home turf TCU six

909
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:33,400
and three, BYU obviously eight and one, top twelve in

910
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,800
the country, and I believe the line is still at

911
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,400
three and a half. Okay, opened at four and a half,

912
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,440
The spread is sitting at three and a half right now,

913
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,440
over under at fifty and a half, So all of

914
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,320
these over unders have been fairly similar recently for the

915
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,960
Kougs and ESPN Analytics in their matchup, predictor give BYUS

916
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,480
seventy three point eight percent chance of victory. Eight fifteen

917
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,599
pm kickoff on November fifteenth at Lavelle Edwards Stadium. Should

918
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:59,960
be a beautiful evening. Fifty six degrees so not too cold. Actually,

919
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,559
it's kind of interesting, like we're getting into it's no

920
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:06,360
Fember fourteen, and you thought you'd have snow on the ground.

921
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:10,159
You thought like it would be kind of a cold

922
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:16,880
and maybe winter like game. No, it's gonna be a

923
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,119
beautiful fall evening of football. So anyway, this is Joe

924
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,599
Klatt breaking down the TCU BYU game on his show recently.

925
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 11: This could be a good game out of the Big twelve.

926
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,760
A week after BYU lost at Texas Tech. Now by

927
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,679
you back at home, number twelve in the country, favored

928
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,280
by four and a half, only four and a half.

929
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,480
I thought that that was a decently low number, but

930
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,440
you understand, because TCU has some quality elements, BYU still

931
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,960
controls their own destiny to go and make the Big

932
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,519
twelve championship game. That's an important piece of all of

933
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,320
this thing. They can bounce back from that loss against

934
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,760
Texas Tech. They're generally a really good home team, and

935
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,400
I think it's an underrated environment in Provo.

936
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 4: That's a great fan base.

937
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 11: I mean an unbelievable, committed and passionate fan base. I

938
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,320
think Klonie Sataki is one of the better coaches in America.

939
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,159
I think that they'll bounce back. He will get these

940
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:15,840
guys back. Don't right off BYU because that Tech team

941
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,400
is legit. I think that they lost on the road

942
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,760
to a team that's absolutely a top five to six

943
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,400
team in the country, which they are now reflected in

944
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,239
the rankings, and you know that's that's gonna happen. They

945
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,239
have a freshman quarterback and Bachmeyer I will say, like,

946
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,840
you better defend the pass well against TCU because Josh

947
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,280
Hoover and the Frogs will come in and they'll toss

948
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,199
it around. BYU needs to run the football, and they

949
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:42,679
need to do it well. They're number two in the

950
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,920
conference running the football. TCUs decent against the run. There

951
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,880
are number three rush defense in the conference, but it's

952
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,119
not nearly as quality as Texas Tech was, which is

953
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:54,840
the number one rush defense in the Big twelve. BYU

954
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,199
pass defense, they've intercepted twelve balls so far this year.

955
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,559
They're gonna need to do that again, I think because

956
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,960
Hoover averages around three hundred per game. They'll stick around.

957
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,239
Eric McCallister has been pretty good. He's their top target

958
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,159
out wide, top ten in the country and receiving. But again,

959
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:13,639
I like BYU at home. It's only four and a half.

960
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,480
I like BYU to cover twenty four to seventeen. It's

961
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:20,639
a tough, physical, old team that's gonna win this game

962
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,679
at home. They know how to play in November, and

963
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,760
so I'm gonna take BYU to cover right there.

964
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had to throw in the old, didn't he?

965
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:30,880
What's the average age? Again?

966
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,599
Speaker 3: I know we put this out there. I'll pull it

967
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:35,719
up here momentarily, but all right, give me your takeaways.

968
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,159
Brett always bringing to Have you listened to this? We

969
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:41,800
posted it earlier today, Joel Klatt giving some love to

970
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,360
the kooks.

971
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 4: I feel like we've been gaslighted.

972
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:48,599
Speaker 8: Did we make up all the stuff about Joel Klatt

973
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,840
not liking BYU? Did we make all that up? And

974
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,599
now we're looking back and like, wait, does he like BYU?

975
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:56,639
And we just created this notion on our head that

976
00:46:56,679 --> 00:47:02,639
he hated the Cougars for some baby, pseudo anti religious

977
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,840
type of reason.

978
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,639
Speaker 4: Did we make all that up in our head?

979
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,559
Speaker 8: And we're just gaslighting ourselves into believing that he doesn't

980
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:12,559
like BYU. I don't know, because it seemed to me,

981
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,400
and I gotta say like I was working at Sports

982
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,800
Nation when.

983
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 4: When Joel Clatt came for.

984
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 8: The Case State game, and I remember we'd had him

985
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:27,480
on a couple on the show a couple times, and

986
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,519
I never got the vibe during any of that that

987
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,320
he didn't like BYU. And then we've talked about We've

988
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,639
talked about this season for a guy who doesn't like BYU,

989
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,039
saying that BYU has one of the most committed fan bases,

990
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,679
one of the most underrated places to play, one of

991
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,119
the best coaches in America. That seems like all pretty

992
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:49,320
good things to say about a team that he supposedly

993
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,760
really has it out against religiously. So I don't know,

994
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,079
but I do appreciate Joel Clatt being objective and unbiased

995
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:59,519
and picking the team that he believes is the best,

996
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:01,800
because if you he was biased and he was letting

997
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,400
it play into his picks, I don't think he would.

998
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 4: Have picked the YU. So shout out to Joe Klatt.

999
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: What do you think the average age is of the

1000
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,199
BYU Cougar football player on this roster.

1001
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 4: Give me twenty.

1002
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 8: I want to say, like twenty two and a half,

1003
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:22,320
that's what I want to say, maybe twenty two.

1004
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: Where are you at VIC? You said twenty one? Do

1005
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,800
you think twenty one? For VIC? Probably Ronald the three

1006
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,280
man Weaver? Where do you stand?

1007
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 5: Say twenty three?

1008
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,039
Speaker 4: All right, so I got the answer.

1009
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: Twenty one and a half years old And for the

1010
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,480
twenty twenty five season, boh's youngest player turned eighteen in

1011
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:42,119
the summer just before the season started, while the oldest

1012
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:45,119
is twenty eight. That's Sam vander r right. Wait, wait,

1013
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:48,760
he's twenty eight. You know, brings that average up so high.

1014
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,320
I mean, I knew he was old, but I thought

1015
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,320
he was like twenty five.

1016
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 4: Is Bear bachmar the youngest? That would be my guess,

1017
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,280
but I don't know that for sure. I think he is.

1018
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,599
Speaker 5: I'll try to Bear I think would be the youngest.

1019
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:07,039
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I think Bear bear Le Mason Waller, there's

1020
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:07,599
the Mason.

1021
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, because La Mason just came out of high school.

1022
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:11,800
I'm thinking guys that just came in high school, Mason

1023
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:12,599
Bear Yes.

1024
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 4: On those Oh yeah, right, So there you have it.

1025
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,679
But Joe Clack give him some love. He does add

1026
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:21,519
in that old like you didn't have to say old.

1027
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 5: I feel like that just qualifies everything. Then he was

1028
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:24,199
so glad.

1029
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 8: All you gotta do is say mature, right, Bengo card

1030
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,239
for sure, that is on the b YU football media cliche.

1031
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:31,679
Speaker 3: Old.

1032
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 7: It was casual with a two been he dropped it

1033
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,320
a thing you's got. Casual was with that old?

1034
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,039
Speaker 4: I was old? How dare you? Joel?

1035
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 3: Like I said, I have said this probably since twenty

1036
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,199
twelve when this show launched. Right around this I think

1037
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,159
it's twenty eleven, I said, Look, when you beat b YU,

1038
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:54,880
it's because they're old, fat, slow, white return missionaries. When

1039
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,000
you lose to b Y us because they're old, fat, slow, mature.

1040
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 4: Why dudes return missionary white dudes.

1041
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 3: That's that's I'm telling you, man, That's what the rhetoric

1042
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,039
has been for a long time. Okay, that's just what

1043
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,519
they chalk it up to. It's low hanging fruit, right,

1044
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:15,519
low hanging fruit.

1045
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:18,199
Speaker 4: That's how they rolled old.

1046
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,199
Speaker 3: Bunch of old return missionaries along the offensive and defensive line.

1047
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,079
Speaker 4: That's what you get are there.

1048
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, how many return missionaries

1049
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,559
are actually on the offensive line? How many return missionaries

1050
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:31,920
are actually on the defensive line.

1051
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:36,119
Speaker 8: So Andrew Gentry, which we will all famously remember for

1052
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,079
Jim Harbaugh. Yes, Jim Harbaugh visited him while he was

1053
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,920
on his mission. Yeah yeah, Jim Harbaugh. Yes, Isaiah John too.

1054
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:52,119
No Andrew, not Andrew Gentry. Bruce Mitchell, yes, King, Kyle

1055
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:52,880
super Choke No.

1056
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,639
Speaker 4: As but not White.

1057
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,519
Speaker 7: Oh so okay, we're doing that, okay, but no, no,

1058
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:02,239
but okay, we'll just go return missionary.

1059
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,519
Speaker 4: But yeah, Austin Luisa and then defensive line.

1060
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 3: Now are we still going wait they deserve a mission?

1061
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,199
Speaker 5: No, okay, okay, so there's three. Okay, so there's three

1062
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:14,199
defensive Hunter Kle yes.

1063
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but he's not starting, so it's Loganly too.

1064
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:25,000
Jonathan yes, John, Yes, yes, I think John, John T.

1065
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,159
Speaker 5: I think. Let me check then Tody screw over one

1066
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:28,880
second on JT.

1067
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll confirm that. But yeah, so you do

1068
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,920
have some more return missionaries over on the on the

1069
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,280
defensive line. So at anyway, Yeah, okay, so we're old,

1070
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,239
but like the twenty eight year old that's not even

1071
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,960
like he's not like a member, Like he's not old

1072
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,199
because he's a member of.

1073
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:48,199
Speaker 4: The Church of Jesus Christ. And electrics things who served

1074
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:49,400
the mission. He just happened.

1075
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,559
Speaker 3: Man's insane insane average age of bas player every BAUS

1076
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,119
football players twenty and a half years old.

1077
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:03,119
Speaker 4: And in college football he maybe be you His youngest players.

1078
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 7: Doesn't look like a JT did either, been from what

1079
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,840
I'm looking, doesn't say it on his profile.

1080
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:07,639
Speaker 4: So JT didn't.

1081
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: Okay, and so did body did? Bu Buddy didn't? Army check?

1082
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:13,199
Speaker 5: I think body did, but let me check.

1083
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and then yeah.

1084
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,159
Speaker 3: So youngest I think is either la Mason or Bet

1085
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:19,960
turned eighteen in the summer just before the season started,

1086
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,159
while it's oldest is twenty eight.

1087
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:23,559
Speaker 4: There you go.

1088
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 8: Okay, So I just looked up who are the oldest

1089
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,639
college football players in twenty twenty five? This is from

1090
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,199
sportingnews dot com and they don't have Sam vander Hart listed.

1091
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,159
Really No, there's Monti Harrison, which is the former professional

1092
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,199
baseball player who plays wide receiver at Arkansas.

1093
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: He is thirty.

1094
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:47,119
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, it's because it's because they don't

1095
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:49,079
count kickers and punters as football.

1096
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 8: There's a punter from Hawaii who's older than Sam Vanderhart.

1097
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:53,679
Speaker 4: He's twenty nine.

1098
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,639
Speaker 8: Dang that's my age, so they don't they don't list

1099
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,440
him on this list. So I guess if we're going

1100
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:03,840
with this Sporting News list, Manti Harrison would be oldest,

1101
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,679
Billy Gowers, the puntert Hawaii, would be second oldest, and

1102
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,159
then Sam Vanderhart would be the third oldest in college football.

1103
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 3: Crazy Sam, thanks for making us seam older than we

1104
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,119
really are. Twenty that that that puts the average up

1105
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,599
a little bit, right, Yeah, there's so many.

1106
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,159
Speaker 4: I'm like, how much does that really skew the average?

1107
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 8: Like you could have a fifty year old and I

1108
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,920
don't know if it would skew the average that.

1109
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: Much because you have somebody I wish they would have

1110
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,239
put it, like because Trevin Nell got a lot of

1111
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,000
heat when they put his name to his age in

1112
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:35,079
twenty ten.

1113
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 5: The oldest in college of basketball.

1114
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: He was not they put him up on that old pedestal,

1115
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,559
and then you know, so I guess it's maybe it

1116
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,199
was wise, Maybe it was judicious of the sid not

1117
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,760
to put the oldest Sam vander Hard.

1118
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: He would have got because everyone would have like looked

1119
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,159
at that and brought it up.

1120
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:53,599
Speaker 4: I'm surprised that hasn't been brought up more.

1121
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:58,039
Speaker 3: It's an easy, low hanging fruit conversation during a BYU

1122
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:01,360
broadcast is like the average age b YU Cougar football

1123
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,920
team with fifty three missionaries is twenty one and a half.

1124
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,800
Their youngest eighteen bare blachmer lemas wall or whatever their

1125
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,559
oldest sam bandar let's slep in on Zam.

1126
00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't want to bug him

1127
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,719
and make a mad ben.

1128
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,159
Speaker 7: I know they get tight of probably their question, even

1129
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:17,920
though it's valid.

1130
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 3: I just say, like, you know, like sometimes like sometimes

1131
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,519
if I was, if I was calling you.

1132
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,039
Speaker 4: Sometimes b YU is called the old mature team.

1133
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,119
Speaker 3: They got strollers and they got stroll panned to the

1134
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,559
You have that SoundBite from uh from Bill South?

1135
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 4: By chance you have.

1136
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 5: One second, give me a second?

1137
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 4: I got you. Yeah, do you know talking about.

1138
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,599
Speaker 5: I know body?

1139
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,679
Speaker 7: Uh body did server a mission ban Fourth Worth, Texas

1140
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,960
and Cape Town, South Africa.

1141
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:47,039
Speaker 8: Yes, Bill Soft the one who said strollers or is

1142
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:47,679
that somebody else?

1143
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 3: It was still self said strollers is like like the

1144
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:51,679
sleeping giant.

1145
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes I do remember. Oh man,

1146
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,639
the strollers kids in the car. Man.

1147
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 3: That'll give you a competitive advantage to go out and

1148
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,079
win and hard fought basketball games.

1149
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 4: It's the adversity, the mental and emotional physical.

1150
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: Adversity you have to go through through raising children, especially

1151
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:11,920
young young children toddlers.

1152
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,559
Speaker 4: Uh, it is hard. I did call my wife earlier today.

1153
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:16,400
I'm like, hey, how you do it. She's like, these

1154
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,400
kids they're driving me crazy today.

1155
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,559
Speaker 5: Oh I know, I know all about that being the

1156
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:24,280
wife be like, come get your daughter. She's not even

1157
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,079
walking yet.

1158
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:29,039
Speaker 3: Oh man, crazy crazy. Anyway, I got all right, just

1159
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:31,639
because I always like laughing about this. We got the

1160
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:35,400
old comment from Joel Klatt and uh, let's just talk

1161
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,480
about the sleeping giant b y u bill self for

1162
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:38,920
a moment.

1163
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 6: But the sleeping the sleeping john is by you. Let's

1164
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,760
just call it like it is. I mean, but the

1165
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,559
sleeping the sleeping john is.

1166
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 9: It.

1167
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 4: I want to hear the strollers.

1168
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 7: Let me find that was that was just from yours,

1169
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,840
the five second clip. Sorry, let me that was just

1170
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,440
your five second clip. I thought you had the full

1171
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:03,079
one second.

1172
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:06,159
Speaker 4: It's all good man. Well, I love hearing him talk

1173
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:07,039
about strollers.

1174
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 5: I got it.

1175
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Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite things, the strollers. Man. All right,

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what do you got?

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Speaker 5: I got the folk clip here we go.

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Speaker 4: What do you think of the league with the four

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new editions this year?

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Speaker 6: Certainly Houston adds a lot, and then the other three

1181
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have good basketball as well. Oh yeah, yeah, well, first

1182
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of all, Calvin in Houston at a time, and to

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be candid with you, you know, obviously Cincinnati has great

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basketball history and tradition going back to Oscar and all

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the things that Huggs did, Hugs has done did there,

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and then of course Wes will do a great job

1187
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there and Johnny who is a college basketball hero at

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Central Florida and people forget they were just I believe

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00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:59,920
it was an offensive put back allowed on a misfree throw. Yeah,

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going to the sweet sixteenth. So I mean there is

1191
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potential there. But the sleeping the sleeping Giant is b

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00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,360
what you Let's just call it like it is. I mean,

1193
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it's it's to me and I could be wrong. The

1194
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,000
advantage in college basketball now for people that are have

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00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:20,599
figured it out, and they're continually figuring it out every

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00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:23,239
every year is how do we get old and stay old?

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Speaker 5: Let's just call it like it is.

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Speaker 6: Well, if you're gonna get old and stay old, I

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think Provo, Utah is probably the place to go place.

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You got a place for you, because you're going to

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be playing with twenty three twenty four year olds that

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have you know, strollers in their in their trunks as

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opposed to whatever else, which is a formula for success.

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So I do think that that the untapped potential that

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exists there is tremendous.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what's your reaction to that? Just hearing it

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again real quick?

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Speaker 8: Who even had kids on this team? I guess Spencer Johnson,

1209
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but yeah, but that wasn't until like March though, Like

1210
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that's what I'm saying, So he didn't even There's no

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way Bill self knew that he was gonna be having

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a kid, and there was no one else on the

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team who had kids. I'm even trying to think, like

1214
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there's not even that many guys on the football team

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who have kids. So this notion about strollers is wild.

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Speaker 5: Treman Nell had a dog, shout out to THEO, but that.

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Speaker 4: Was yeah, yeah, had a dog, but that was it.

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Speaker 7: Like I Thinker Johnson's wife was pregnant, she had baby

1219
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,760
in February, but like the baby wasn't even born. Yeah,

1220
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,719
that's crazy, and that was that was in the off season.

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Speaker 5: Mind you, like that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: That was going into the twenty twenty four two thousand

1223
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,719
was that twenty twenty four twenty twenty five season right

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before that?

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Speaker 5: That was two? I was twenty three and twenty four.

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That was before that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh so it was the year product so two

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thousand and three two. Yes, Spencer Johnson wasn't on the

1229
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team last year. Oh man, that's crazy, Bill, you crazy? Anyway,

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