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Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox sportsporteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back, Joining the ball hero on Fox Sports
Speaker 2: fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, and today with me is
Speaker 2: d from the past. Welcome back, d Hell and now
Speaker 2: one with breaking news.
Speaker 3: This is I on the.
Speaker 1: Ball, Breaking News on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 4: Happy to Tuesday to everyone out there listening. You're guy,
Speaker 4: mister giddy two. She's on a Tuesday. I don't know
Speaker 4: how it came about, but you know, it stuck with me.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's uh, how can I say this?
Speaker 2: You took that as a like a derogatory term. You're
Speaker 2: just a good kid. I'm just a good kid.
Speaker 5: You were the ditty t Shoes. I was known as
Speaker 5: the Saint.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, all these good kids. I'd rather have good
Speaker 2: kids and pay the next That's very true.
Speaker 4: Starting off breaking news with something that just came across
Speaker 4: my screen. The Cubs have traded Cody Bellingery and some
Speaker 4: cash to the Yankees.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow how much cash? Uh? I didn't say
Speaker 2: it right here? Wow? So they replaced it. We play
Speaker 2: soda with Bellinger yep, wow.
Speaker 5: And another team to pay his salary.
Speaker 4: They're staying busy, Yeah, trying to get back to the
Speaker 4: World Series. See what happens to some Arizona athletics. Of
Speaker 4: course everyone knows the hopefully everyone knows. Arizona Volleyball playing
Speaker 4: in the n i VC Championship against Bowling Green six
Speaker 4: o'clock right after the show.
Speaker 2: Were you with with us? I think Jay was around
Speaker 2: when we did the interview with her the first time.
Speaker 2: Were you the guy? Probably not. I don't believe she
Speaker 2: was very you know, you were here before when she
Speaker 2: first took the job, very stoic and very kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, business like yesterday. She was not that. She
Speaker 2: was very outgoing and very tripping.
Speaker 6: I think that comes with the job. She's gotten comfortable.
Speaker 6: She understand stands her role now, not just as a coach,
Speaker 6: but with the media and at this level and where
Speaker 6: what everything she has to do, So that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 6: surprise me that maybe she's loosened up a little bit.
Speaker 6: She's more comfortable to talk to people because pressure is off,
Speaker 6: like she's she's getting in these championship tournaments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's doing well. Yeah, that's it. You know
Speaker 2: how old are you? You kind of get a little wisdom.
Speaker 5: Do you really want to know my age?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I do. I have teachers Wales than you.
Speaker 5: Probably.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when we called in the summeries, it
Speaker 4: was before the season, she was she sounded focused and
Speaker 4: clearly it's showing that it's paying off right now.
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure to women's basketball, they had a.
Speaker 4: Game last night against we were State eighty seven to
Speaker 4: sixty six win for idea in the Cats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what happens how that translates into the
Speaker 2: Big twelve. Got their debut Saturday at BYU. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: one thing not hopeful for that. I know, I know,
Speaker 2: there's just too many.
Speaker 6: She's another one that's had a pattern of players that
Speaker 6: she recruits and then how the season goes. I think
Speaker 6: I've seen that over the last couple of years. So
Speaker 6: I think the basketball teams could mirror each other, just
Speaker 6: like they're trying to mirror the football team.
Speaker 5: So it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 6: This is going to be a very wild ride of
Speaker 6: a year for athletics.
Speaker 2: Yes, already has been.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Uncle Epsteve, with the years not over.
Speaker 2: As an alum, are they calling you already stitch. Ever,
Speaker 2: can you give us some money for nil? I haven't
Speaker 2: gotten they haven't found you yet.
Speaker 6: We need to keep it that way. I have no
Speaker 6: money to give. California's making me go broke.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've heard about that.
Speaker 4: How at the some of these graduations right now, the
Speaker 4: last thing they say and remember you are alumni.
Speaker 2: Now we could use your help.
Speaker 5: Oh, it doesn't even surprise me.
Speaker 2: Can't be now more so than ever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tomorrow night men's basketball takes on Samford seven o'clock.
Speaker 2: We'll see if they can. It's a true get get
Speaker 2: right game. Yeah, tomorrow. I think the biggest news for
Speaker 2: funnest news will be the TJ. McConnell honored return ten years.
Speaker 2: Who would have thought this, But he's doing it, and
Speaker 2: he's doing it really well. Yeah. I mean the Pacers
Speaker 2: are contenders.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I made it to I think the Eastern Conference finals
Speaker 2: last year, so I think he was he was a
Speaker 2: key these games. I think the time we said that
Speaker 2: Tom Mathern is gonna come to so.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised. Just two Arizona guys heading back home.
Speaker 4: You want to call it home right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: Connor McGregor is delaying his MMA day return to fight
Speaker 4: Logan Paul in a boxing match.
Speaker 2: That would be fun. That'ld be fun because that might
Speaker 2: be a legit fight where Gregor won't not back down.
Speaker 6: I feel like it might be a very animated fight. Yeah,
Speaker 6: like the bulls of them are just they're very animated
Speaker 6: people normally, So I feel like you multiply that by
Speaker 6: ten and it's gonna be I.
Speaker 2: Hope there's a fight, like a fight fight, not just
Speaker 2: like a pretenidon.
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a circus, is what
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 2: It's. Well, yeah, there's that, there's that. That's that's what
Speaker 2: it is. But maybe a circus where there's actually a fight.
Speaker 5: Somebody actually punch.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I mean I mean his brother Jake Paul
Speaker 4: is already saying, and Connors washed, Jake's gonna beat him.
Speaker 2: Soundby When is this proposed or might gonna be around
Speaker 2: in twenty thirty When.
Speaker 4: It doesn't, This doesn't give me a date here, but
Speaker 4: it is going to be a boxing exhibition in India.
Speaker 2: In India, not like the Thriller in Manila in Dyeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Denver Denver Group is in exclusive talks for
Speaker 4: the next NW sl franchise expansion, so Women's Sucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nothing has been finalized yet.
Speaker 4: The source that ESPN went to is unanimous right now
Speaker 4: because they did nothing's finalized, but they are looking into
Speaker 4: expanding into Denver and some more women's sports news w
Speaker 4: NBA MVP.
Speaker 2: Jay, I think I'm saying that right, Jay Wilson and Nike.
Speaker 4: He reached a six year extension, one of the largest
Speaker 4: deals between a women's professional player and shoe company.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw that today. A lot of money for that.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 6: Well, she probably not getting paid very much otherwise, so
Speaker 6: she's got to go sign a deal with Nike.
Speaker 2: I think it's good. I think it's one of those
Speaker 2: things that can move the sport forward.
Speaker 5: Call it good representation, good business.
Speaker 2: Good business to the NBA.
Speaker 4: The NBA Cup Finale, six thirty ABC, the Milwaukee Bucks
Speaker 4: taking on the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 2: I think it would be a good game. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: should be twenty and five or the Thunder of fourteen
Speaker 2: and eleven. The Bucks. Who's the oldest team in the league,
Speaker 2: you know, the oldest team. Yeah, it would seem like
Speaker 2: the LA Lakers, right, you would say Bucks. It's the Bucks? Really,
Speaker 2: I saw a preview over this game today. The Bucks
Speaker 2: are the oldest team against the youngest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the Spurs and then they went and
Speaker 4: got Chris Paul. I mean, but the Bucks started off horribly.
Speaker 4: They're back to over five hundred, right, so I think
Speaker 4: they'll be playing with some a lot of motivation tonight.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.
Speaker 4: What I got next, Okay, NBA announces the revamped All
Speaker 4: Star Tournament for San Francisco this year. So what you're
Speaker 4: gonna get is three teams of eight All Stars and
Speaker 4: then the Rising Star Championship team will play the other
Speaker 4: will be the fourth team. They'll play each other and
Speaker 4: winners play winners.
Speaker 2: I think. I'm not sure if the losers play loser.
Speaker 2: So the Rising Stars will play two games. Yes, no
Speaker 2: load management in that. We'll see. We'll see, but I
Speaker 2: think it will be I think it's good. It's a.
Speaker 4: Different look to the All Star Game, All Star Weekend. Well,
Speaker 4: there's no defense, there's no nothing in those games. So
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5: But in situations like that, you have.
Speaker 6: To revamp them to get the fan reinfod to want
Speaker 6: to watch.
Speaker 2: Well, they said, I don't know if this is true
Speaker 2: because I don't watch it anyway that half the audience
Speaker 2: has gone for the NBA games. I don't watch it
Speaker 2: till I watch a little of it, but not a
Speaker 2: lot until the playoffs. I mean most of the people
Speaker 2: I know do the same thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not entirely sure how many people view I watched
Speaker 4: it for fun? I watched my Spurs. How often any
Speaker 4: any game's like National.
Speaker 2: Not on like the NBA TV. And so far you've
Speaker 2: watched how many? I want to say around eight?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'd say it more than I and plus
Speaker 2: the one in person up in Phoenix. You don't watch it.
Speaker 2: I know you don't.
Speaker 6: I have no NBT NBA team to watch. My Seattle
Speaker 6: SuperSonics are no longer hopefully soon. Hope they're in talks,
Speaker 6: hopefully soon, I hope.
Speaker 2: So they're in Vegas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. So to the NFL, some movement coming around
Speaker 4: with the quarterbacks. Titans quarterback Will Levis will be benched
Speaker 4: more likely, more than likely going to start Mason Rudolph
Speaker 4: for Week sixteen.
Speaker 2: I think Kena trying to save the health of their quarterback.
Speaker 2: Start a quarterback, yeah, we'll see, save.
Speaker 5: His health or save his education.
Speaker 4: Maybe both the Browns are going to start Dorian Thompson
Speaker 4: Robinson over Jameis Winston. James Winston has kept them in
Speaker 4: games to a certain extent, but throwing the ball away,
Speaker 4: throwing it to the other, throwing touchdowns to.
Speaker 2: The other team.
Speaker 5: He pulled it. Geno Smith Smith the special special.
Speaker 4: And the other kid's the UCLA quarterback former played here
Speaker 4: a couple of times. Yeah, uh, he's got something in him.
Speaker 4: I think I think he was doing well for them.
Speaker 4: He was like Daniels before Daniels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2: He was doing well a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 2: I think he got injured and never saw the field
Speaker 2: until this upcoming week. Week sixteens Falcons versus Commander's game
Speaker 2: has been flexed to Sunday night Football. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, the Dolphins and the Browns were supposed to be
Speaker 4: that Sunday night game. I think the Falcons and Commanders
Speaker 4: is a good choice to go with.
Speaker 3: Lions.
Speaker 2: Aden Hutchinson says he's on track for a goal.
Speaker 4: If the Lions make the Super Bowl, that would be
Speaker 4: his return or looking towards the super Bowl as a return.
Speaker 5: That's tight. That's a tight time frame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the was an ugly injury too.
Speaker 2: And Mahomes. You have Mahomes here.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: Jeeves said that they're confident in Carson Wentz. If he
Speaker 4: has to go in, it's a it's a high ankle
Speaker 4: sprain from Mahomes.
Speaker 6: So we'll see, he'll be in a boot all week
Speaker 6: and they'll tape it up. Bro good, he'll be fine.
Speaker 6: It's Mahomes. They're gonna they're gonna send him doctor.
Speaker 2: D How you doing.
Speaker 5: You seem to forget that I worked at Athletic Training
Speaker 5: and Sportsman for like three years.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll see. They're they're somewhat comfortable right now. They
Speaker 4: obviously have the division in the a f C West.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they want to keep their one game up
Speaker 4: on Buffalo. They want to keep the one seed this week.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but they looked good last week. Sure
Speaker 4: did Tigers. They played They played the Patriots next week.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's an easy way. Uh So Monday Night
Speaker 4: football last night, a couple of games. We had the
Speaker 4: Vikings being down on the Bears. A little bit of
Speaker 4: a close one between the Falcons and the Raiders came
Speaker 4: down to a last second heave that was, But the
Speaker 4: Raiders are the Raiders.
Speaker 5: They haven't won since like September. September.
Speaker 4: I saw something on on X Today that there was
Speaker 4: there was two guys going at it in fantasy, and
Speaker 4: that interception was the difference. It was like a point
Speaker 4: zero difference, the fact that that last second he Maryhill
Speaker 4: Mary was intercepted. Colorado State and Utah State are going
Speaker 4: to be suing the Mountain West over exit penalties.
Speaker 2: Along with the.
Speaker 4: Mountain West is trying to penalize the five schools for
Speaker 4: leaving to the back twelve Boise State, Friends State, San
Speaker 4: Diego State.
Speaker 2: What's the price on that? What's what are they trying
Speaker 2: to get from them? It doesn't say it doesn't say
Speaker 2: it just says they're gonna they're going to be except which.
Speaker 6: Means it's a high enough price that they don't want
Speaker 6: to pay it, but a low enough price that they
Speaker 6: don't feel the need.
Speaker 5: To mention it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something something that we've kind of touched on with
Speaker 4: the transporport on every thing. So SMU, who's in the
Speaker 4: college football playoffs gonna be playing this week. They're head
Speaker 4: coach wants the end to the December portal window says
Speaker 4: it's really hard to keep a team together when half
Speaker 4: of them are one foot out the door, half foot sure,
Speaker 4: trying to stay sure.
Speaker 2: And now the coaches are they're not going to play
Speaker 2: the players that are on the transfer portal list. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna say sorry, you can't play here.
Speaker 4: Actually I saw something that said uh for Ashu, Dillingham
Speaker 4: says he welcomes anyone that wants to really be part
Speaker 4: of it, even if they want to have intentions to
Speaker 4: not be on the team. Do they have a long
Speaker 4: list of I don't think so. No, I'm sure it's
Speaker 4: third stringers trying to find the first string place. Last
Speaker 4: thing I got Arizona got a commitment yesterday from three
Speaker 4: star quarterbacks Sawyer Anderson. Yeah, I saw that a former
Speaker 4: produce Igne.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to need that.
Speaker 4: Could be could be Noah's replacement. That's what That's what
Speaker 4: he talked about. He said, have a year to learn
Speaker 4: under it's gonna be a great thing for him.
Speaker 5: How tall is he He's got to be taller than Fafita.
Speaker 3: I think he is.
Speaker 2: I think he could be about six FOOTI ish six
Speaker 2: five eleven. No, you're joking.
Speaker 5: That means he's like five to nine.
Speaker 3: Oh no, about.
Speaker 2: He's going to be killed out there, prob eleven six
Speaker 2: foot maybe a little height.
Speaker 5: You better be fast.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's part of it. We'll see. The
Speaker 2: thing they mentioned here is his canon of an arm
Speaker 2: that's about it. Canon.
Speaker 5: He'd like that from long How accurate is that canon?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that all the time. He's got
Speaker 2: a canon. Well, what the hell is? Targets are way
Speaker 2: over or under thrown. He's got a canon to the
Speaker 2: other team. Right, we'll see, we'll see when we get there. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Breaking down all the uses and ohs, This is I
Speaker 1: on the ball with Steve Rivera on box sportsporteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome next to you one on the ball here
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports fortunen fifty. I'm Si Rivera and with
Speaker 2: the to day is guest host d along with my
Speaker 2: guy Juan behind the mic on the other side. Now
Speaker 2: we have the phone. We have Pat Nugent from Mike
Speaker 2: Mountain State champions Pat.
Speaker 8: How are you hi, Steve? Thanks thanks for calling me.
Speaker 8: I appreciate being on again. And two weeks ago we
Speaker 8: didn't think we'd win, but here we are champion, So
Speaker 8: it's great to be back on this show.
Speaker 2: Tell me that's not true. You thought you were gonna win,
Speaker 2: but you just didn't know how.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 8: We thought we knew we were paying a really tough opponent,
Speaker 8: and we played a great football game and the kids
Speaker 8: played there, you know, the best game of the year probably,
Speaker 8: and it turned out to be a championship.
Speaker 2: We don't want to come of wax poetic, but everything
Speaker 2: you thought it would be. How was the night and
Speaker 2: did you feel comfortable at any moment or till the end?
Speaker 8: You know, we came out really jumped on them early,
Speaker 8: but they were on the goal line beginning the fourth quarter.
Speaker 8: We were still up three scores, but you never felt
Speaker 8: great about anything there.
Speaker 3: But we had a goal line stand.
Speaker 8: Jimmy Loone deflected a pass on fourth down, and that
Speaker 8: was about eight minutes left in the fourth quarter, and
Speaker 8: that was about when we felt.
Speaker 3: We were going to win this thing. So we just
Speaker 3: kind of ran the clock out and it was a
Speaker 3: heck of a celebration.
Speaker 2: I was just going to give him any questions. No, no, no, okay,
Speaker 2: you can just think of that one open. So is
Speaker 2: this your first or second?
Speaker 3: This is my first.
Speaker 8: I was in the championship in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 8: but we lost on a field goal with three seconds
Speaker 8: left in the game. Lost twenty three twenty one, some heartbreaker.
Speaker 8: Seventeen years, seventeen years in the making. So we're enjoying
Speaker 8: this one.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you, you win the title. You
Speaker 2: announced your retirement yesterday, so that's been like maybe ten days.
Speaker 2: Did you already know win or lose you're gonna do this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, wall You know, I kind of had a feeling
Speaker 3: I last year. I was about ready to go.
Speaker 8: You know, my daughter was going to be a senior
Speaker 8: volleyball player at Mike and I kind of really wanted
Speaker 8: to watch her finish her senior year off and as
Speaker 8: a coach, you missed so much of your kids' lives
Speaker 8: and your family's life, and you know, I wanted to
Speaker 8: do that, but she was a senior and really wanted
Speaker 8: me to finish out the year.
Speaker 3: And we kind of knew the own end of this
Speaker 3: year it was going to be it.
Speaker 8: And you know, the we had a heck of a
Speaker 8: team coming back, and the stress and high levels just
Speaker 8: kept building up all year. And you know, I don't
Speaker 8: know if there was a whole lot of fun going
Speaker 8: into the year with expectations as we had.
Speaker 3: But when that bell rang at the end, that was
Speaker 3: the most fun we've ever had.
Speaker 2: I'm sure your wife and your family are happy for you,
Speaker 2: but even more happy year because they get them to
Speaker 2: get you back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: You know, my wife's a football wife. She's she's been
Speaker 8: an amazing lady. But she's kind of disappointed. She loves
Speaker 8: the Friday night, she loves the prestige being out there,
Speaker 8: you know. So it's hard because we're gonna be empty
Speaker 8: nesters here and I don't know what the heck we're
Speaker 8: gonna be doing. So that's gonna be a different.
Speaker 3: World for us.
Speaker 5: That was my question. What are you gonna do with
Speaker 5: your Friday nights now that you're not under the lights?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. You know, I want to
Speaker 3: take a summer vacation for a change.
Speaker 8: I want to you know, I've always jumped to go
Speaker 8: and watch an SEC football game in the fall.
Speaker 3: You know. So there's things that after thirty four years
Speaker 3: that you just haven't done.
Speaker 8: And football has been a part of my life forever,
Speaker 8: and it's, you know, just the ability to do something different.
Speaker 8: It's going to be really exciting. And I don't know
Speaker 8: what I'll do, and I don't know if I'll miss
Speaker 8: it or not. But to have that freedom for a
Speaker 8: change is pretty nice.
Speaker 2: So so I asked this, of all the coaches or
Speaker 2: former players or whatever. You've been doing this, like you say,
Speaker 2: thirty four years. So what's gonna get those juices flowing
Speaker 2: to compete if you're not gonna do this?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I like golfing, I'm good at it.
Speaker 3: But you know, maybe I'll pick up pickle ball. I
Speaker 3: got some friends that play pickle ball. But you know, Steve,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 8: You know, it's been less than twenty four hours, basically,
Speaker 8: and you know, we're not sure, and heck, I need
Speaker 8: a job next fall. So that's the first thing I'm
Speaker 8: gonna be looking for. I'm not gonna be coaching, but
Speaker 8: I need to find a new job. I'm leaving the
Speaker 8: failed district, arming up north, back back to my house.
Speaker 8: I live up on the north side, so the forty
Speaker 8: five minute drive is going to be over. So that's
Speaker 8: that's the next thing, kind of find a job. So
Speaker 8: my wife's happy about me working again.
Speaker 2: Oh that makes sense, because yeah, you're not too far
Speaker 2: from me, are you? And mister Peace around the corner.
Speaker 2: So let me tell you something. I need a co host,
Speaker 2: just throwing it.
Speaker 3: There you go, there you go. You know, I'm ready,
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'll I'll have a lot of spare time
Speaker 3: coming up.
Speaker 2: Here Pat and Steve talking crap about sports. No, I
Speaker 2: already got the already got the slogan.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 2: So okay, So now so let me ask you, because
Speaker 2: I don't think you had you brought on Sanchez.
Speaker 8: Right, Yes, So yeah, Richard Sanchez came on two and
Speaker 8: a half years ago. He was hanging around retired board
Speaker 8: and I asked Richard to come out and help us
Speaker 8: a little bit, and we are just kind of first
Speaker 8: year in our program, and then Richard came on.
Speaker 3: In the last two years, he's been surre.
Speaker 2: So so let me say so, I think I asked
Speaker 2: you this question. Maybe I didn't when Monica was on
Speaker 2: the show maybe two weeks ago and your secret sauce
Speaker 2: because he said you were you were very meticulous and
Speaker 2: how you ran your program. Uh, you know, you didn't
Speaker 2: succeed just by accident. There's something about how you coach.
Speaker 2: What do you think your secret sauce? And I want
Speaker 2: to bring in census after that.
Speaker 8: You know, and I know you and I talk a
Speaker 8: lot about Dick Tolmy, but I think the most important
Speaker 8: thing is a relationship with kids. You know, I feel
Speaker 8: like I've been strong with both my kids and my
Speaker 8: parents and my faculty, and I've got an open relationship.
Speaker 8: And I think kids kids enjoy that we have a
Speaker 8: great program. We have a great atmosphere going on. And
Speaker 8: you know, kids are disappointing that I'm leaving as a
Speaker 8: junior class that wants me to continue to stay.
Speaker 3: They but they understand.
Speaker 8: So I think the plus sign is that I have
Speaker 8: great relationship and that's what I learned from Coach told me,
Speaker 8: you know, and that was always the big thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not a displaying that much. You know, I'm hard nosed.
Speaker 8: I get the kid after kids a little bit, but
Speaker 8: it's a work relationship with kids that makes it special.
Speaker 2: So that kind of goes into my transition. I'm also
Speaker 2: thinking that you're crazy like a fox, and let me
Speaker 2: see why Sanchez has been around for a long time.
Speaker 2: He is a tough dude. He is a tough coach.
Speaker 2: Was that purposeful for you to bring a guy like
Speaker 2: him on?
Speaker 3: Oh? Without questions?
Speaker 8: You know, it's I've always said, you know, Richard was
Speaker 8: a different type of coach, and it's you know, I
Speaker 8: don't think two head and strong.
Speaker 3: Guys would have worked well together.
Speaker 8: But you know, I always said back in the days,
Speaker 8: what Richard did at Sunnyside I probably never would have
Speaker 8: been able to do. But what I did at CEO,
Speaker 8: Richard probably couldn't have done because of what he The
Speaker 8: way he coaches and the way I coach are kind
Speaker 8: of different. So we were able to put those two
Speaker 8: things together and create just a great atmosphere at Mike
Speaker 8: Amountain and the kids bought it and they loved coach.
Speaker 8: And he's hard he's a work ethic guy and he
Speaker 8: gets after our kid. But uh, you know, they they
Speaker 8: after a couple of years, they finally figured him out
Speaker 8: a little bit.
Speaker 3: So, uh, you know, the work, the love hate relationship
Speaker 3: was really where it was at.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of ying and yang there are you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, good Cup is it good Cup?
Speaker 2: Do cop type of thing? Uh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I don't want to say it's always
Speaker 8: I'm always the good guy, bad guy, you know, but
Speaker 8: it's definitely the mentality that Richard brings, that hard, no
Speaker 8: south side attitude that really pushed our kids to the limit.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, so that's what Richard was all about.
Speaker 8: But what he did with our offensive line was phenomenal
Speaker 8: because we we dominated that championship game up front, and
Speaker 8: you know, it showed from the work that he puts
Speaker 8: in with those kids every day. And we were fortunate
Speaker 8: to have three kids that had been with our program
Speaker 8: from day one, and then a couple other guys that
Speaker 8: were with us and you know, five senior linemen that
Speaker 8: just played their butts off.
Speaker 4: So obviously you got to a point in the season,
Speaker 4: or I hope, hope he got to a point in
Speaker 4: the season where you knew this was going to be
Speaker 4: a championship type of team.
Speaker 2: What was that moment?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 3: We we really goes back to we were playing sale Point.
Speaker 8: We scrimmaged soud Point in the beginning of the year,
Speaker 8: and we defensively just shut them down and I kind
Speaker 8: of looked at our coaches like, wow, you know, well,
Speaker 8: we only need to probably score three points a game
Speaker 8: with this defense we had. And that's really what it
Speaker 8: was at all year because our defensive line and our
Speaker 8: just whole whole defense was phenomenal. Brett Darling, our defensive coordinator,
Speaker 8: and our staff did an amazing job. So you know,
Speaker 8: going into that year, we kind of knew our defense
Speaker 8: was going to carry us, and we knew if our
Speaker 8: our offense points up where defense had a chance to
Speaker 8: win a stay title for us.
Speaker 2: Right, I would assume that you probably knew that too.
Speaker 2: Last I saw you guys play in person. You played
Speaker 2: CEO up there. I can't remember if this was the playoffs.
Speaker 2: It might have been in the playoffs, uh, and you
Speaker 2: guys were really really good and gave them a great
Speaker 2: game again and they won the title too.
Speaker 8: Yeah that I mean that that whole you know, we
Speaker 8: we were eleven and two last year went to a
Speaker 8: state seven final team with a bunch of juniors, really
Speaker 8: and you know, that was a great learning lesson for us,
Speaker 8: you know, seeing they were senior heavy as a CEO team,
Speaker 8: and we kind of took that a let's learn from
Speaker 8: them and let's keep grinding and know that we can
Speaker 8: get went titled with our seniors. So that was a
Speaker 8: great experience and that it took the big lights out
Speaker 8: and I know that day we talked to you, we
Speaker 8: were able to practice at the UVA Stadium, and you know,
Speaker 8: it just kind of everything just fell in place for us.
Speaker 8: We didn't we weren't overshadowed by walking in the ASU stadium,
Speaker 8: and it wasn't a big game. Our kids knew what
Speaker 8: it was about. And we came out of the gate,
Speaker 8: scored on our first drive and never looked back. And
Speaker 8: it was just a phenomenal experience.
Speaker 6: You've talked about having a relationship with these guys. How
Speaker 6: do you continue to stay involved in their life or
Speaker 6: do you do? Will you have a role in some kind,
Speaker 6: whether it's as a fan going to their games, or do.
Speaker 5: They have a way to reach out to you.
Speaker 6: I know, I've got coaches that I definitely still keep
Speaker 6: in touch with that make sure I'm doing okay in life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and it's a great group of kids
Speaker 3: I came might come out because of me usually and
Speaker 3: you know, I'll follow them and I you know, we
Speaker 3: love them to death and we're going to be on.
Speaker 8: Them and watch their growth, and you know, I'm going
Speaker 8: to be there for the next four months kind of
Speaker 8: work and making sure they're saying after with the coach compost.
Speaker 8: But you know, it's kind of you know, you have
Speaker 8: that relationship and you know, I get emotional thinking about
Speaker 8: it because this last week has been amazing. These people
Speaker 8: that have reached out to me, kids I haven't heard
Speaker 8: from for fifteen years back in the CEO days that
Speaker 8: have all reached out and tell me how important I
Speaker 8: was to them. And you know that's important, and that's
Speaker 8: what you got to do is create that relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. And then if you're a good coach,
Speaker 2: that's what happens, right the kids and then do you
Speaker 2: kind of see, you know what, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, that's what it's all about, you know, making
Speaker 2: and being an influence to the kids you coach let
Speaker 2: me ask you, you probably decided to retire. You saw
Speaker 2: mister peace Dusty fishing and join his kids and wanted
Speaker 2: to do that too.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, you know what I was actually with
Speaker 3: Dusty and Jorgey.
Speaker 8: We had a retirement forty party for Hora Mendeville, you know,
Speaker 8: and both those guys are were happy, you know, and
Speaker 8: it's talking to them just shows you that there's more
Speaker 8: to life. And as much as football have been a
Speaker 8: huge part in everything in my life, it's there's another aspect.
Speaker 3: And I got five grandkids.
Speaker 8: Now, and I'm like spending time with them and five grandkids,
Speaker 8: so you know, there's a lot of things in my
Speaker 8: family that haven't and you know, my daughter's looking to
Speaker 8: maybe go play college volleyball and I can go watch
Speaker 8: her play somewhere.
Speaker 3: So you know, those are all things that you haven't done.
Speaker 8: And I've dedicated every part of my life, and you know,
Speaker 8: going back to the Dick Tomy days, I was here
Speaker 8: working the U of a football stuff.
Speaker 3: Every day in my life, I played.
Speaker 8: My dad was a coach, so it's been a lifetime
Speaker 8: of fifty nine years being around football. So maybe I
Speaker 8: can learn something different and figure out something that I
Speaker 8: can do better someday.
Speaker 2: This is the dumb question is do you still have
Speaker 2: your dad around?
Speaker 3: No, my dad passed about eight years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, et.
Speaker 3: Ah, he'd be you know, I super proud of me,
Speaker 3: know that, you know. And he was a football guy.
Speaker 8: He was a guy that watched me at CEO and
Speaker 8: he used to tell me just give that ball to
Speaker 8: that Dame kiddeen.
Speaker 3: Carrie kid, you know, and he'd get after me.
Speaker 8: And he was with me in the PEMA years and
Speaker 8: that was a hard run, being at PEMA for five years.
Speaker 8: And he used to give me hell about what the
Speaker 8: heck I left for and why didn't I stay? Because
Speaker 8: CDIO won the state title and you know, but my
Speaker 8: mom and dad were watching from above, and you know,
Speaker 8: I'm sure they're proud of me, and it was a
Speaker 8: great experience.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, I think he's going to
Speaker 5: be a fantastic volleyball dad.
Speaker 6: Like, I feel like he's going to be the guy
Speaker 6: in the stands with a sign that says that's my daughter,
Speaker 6: and just like, because that's the competitive edge, he's going
Speaker 6: to be the competitive fan.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's I put a lot of time. We're
Speaker 8: club parents. So we're traveling all the way around and
Speaker 8: my daughter got to the state championship game and that
Speaker 8: was a pretty cool experience for our family. Watch her
Speaker 8: play in the state title game and then turn around
Speaker 8: and got a win for myself. And you know, we
Speaker 8: got the trophy coming home and we're going to enjoy that.
Speaker 2: So you said, you have five grandkids. Where is the
Speaker 2: time gone? I remember coming into town at eighty seven.
Speaker 2: You were you were with? Told me teams back then
Speaker 2: when I covered the team, and holy crap, how did
Speaker 2: time fly?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Holy crap. You know, I was very fortunate. My son, Rody,
Speaker 8: he was on our staff this year, so he was
Speaker 8: part of the celebration. And he's got three little kids.
Speaker 8: He's got to give up coaching a little big he's
Speaker 8: got to raise some kids for a little while. He's
Speaker 8: been helping me in four years build this program, but
Speaker 8: it's time for him to be a dad a little bit.
Speaker 8: And you know, my daughter's got two young kids, just
Speaker 8: had a baby on the Halloween, and you know, we're fortunate.
Speaker 3: You know, they're all young, very all four years and under.
Speaker 3: So it's going to be a crazy life for a
Speaker 3: little bit. And my wife does a great job of
Speaker 3: them and it's great to be a part of it.
Speaker 8: And you know that we'll miss the Friday nights, you know,
Speaker 8: coming on the field, and you know we were fortunate
Speaker 8: winning a lot this year, but it was always special
Speaker 8: when they get the run on the field and Friday
Speaker 8: nights to come see there that death they call me.
Speaker 3: And it's awesome experience.
Speaker 2: Because yesterday before, before we heard that you would announce
Speaker 2: your retirement, we were talking about I can't remember who,
Speaker 2: oh well, Belichick and some of the old guys who
Speaker 2: don't know when to say or to call their endgame right,
Speaker 2: you know, could just stay too long or whatever, and
Speaker 2: then they get pushed out because it didn't do well.
Speaker 2: You were able to call your shot, unless unless in
Speaker 2: a year or two or whatever, you get the itch again.
Speaker 8: I don't know if I'll get the itch again right now.
Speaker 8: There's not a chance in heck. I'd say, you know
Speaker 8: what it looks like in a year or two from now,
Speaker 8: I can't say that, but I'll tell you what with
Speaker 8: the ability to go out and you know, when you're
Speaker 8: you know, there's a lot of times you know you're
Speaker 8: not going to win a stay tiy your tough kids,
Speaker 8: let's go after a stay title. But we had a
Speaker 8: few years in my twelve twenty seven years as the
Speaker 8: head coach that we had a chance to win it.
Speaker 8: So you're always chasing that dream, and you know, it's
Speaker 8: it's just I don't even know. I know Saturday after
Speaker 8: that game, it was like an out of body experience.
Speaker 8: But like the entire world had finally fallen off my show.
Speaker 8: You know, it's you know, like great, I'm a I'm
Speaker 8: a Knicks fan. So Patrick Ewan was an unbelievable basketball player,
Speaker 8: but it was always but.
Speaker 3: He never won a title. Charles Barker, he never won
Speaker 3: a title.
Speaker 8: And even though I've got a lot of wins in
Speaker 8: southern Arizona, it was always going to be Yeah, but
Speaker 8: he never won a title, you know, so, uh to
Speaker 8: have that taken off, but you know, it's about the kids,
Speaker 8: and it's about my coaching staff. We we got to
Speaker 8: share this together. And uh, you know, if I go
Speaker 8: out with that, at least one I know. Richards on
Speaker 8: me about coming back for two and three, and I said, Richard,
Speaker 8: I'm good, buddy.
Speaker 3: One's enough for me. I don't need to do I
Speaker 3: don't need to work as hard as I do every day.
Speaker 2: So what are you leaving, compos.
Speaker 3: Oh that loaded. Our entire program was undefeated this year.
Speaker 8: You know, our freshman team nine and oer our JV
Speaker 8: team seven to oh and then obviously the varsity fourteen. Oh,
Speaker 8: so you know everything gone well with Nimarassei is our
Speaker 8: principal over there. It's uh, it's Roland coach compost, an
Speaker 8: unbelievable coach. He's gonna probably have to place a lot
Speaker 8: of coaches, and a lot of my guys knew it
Speaker 8: was there last year too. We kind of talking back
Speaker 8: into coming and the coach his final year and you know,
Speaker 8: so he's going to find some guys and I'm sure
Speaker 8: he will, and he's a heck of a football coach
Speaker 8: and he'll get his title, hopefully in another year or two.
Speaker 2: Well, Pat, congratulations, thanks for coming back on short notice.
Speaker 2: You know, the last couple of weeks, I want you
Speaker 2: to come in. Maybe I spent some time with me
Speaker 2: in the studio. We can talk in sports.
Speaker 3: Love to you, Steve. I finally know when I'm not
Speaker 3: coaching football.
Speaker 8: I was listening to a show on the radio driving home,
Speaker 8: and I love listening to it and I'll get to
Speaker 8: listen to it a little bit more because I leave
Speaker 8: work about three o'clock and I get to hear that show,
Speaker 8: so I don't hear it at all in the fall,
Speaker 8: so I don't know what's been going on. But you know,
Speaker 8: look forward to hearing from you and anything I can
Speaker 8: do would be great. So thanks for having me on
Speaker 8: today and appreciate it. And it's been ahead of a run,
Speaker 8: that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Great. Pat, Thanks, congrats again, Appreciate it, Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: You take care.
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I'm the Abaut Hero Fox Sports
Speaker 2: fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera.
Speaker 12: You're D.
Speaker 2: Welcome in D and you're one. We got about fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes if you'd like to give us a quick call.
Speaker 2: We had a few calls earlier A five to two
Speaker 2: zero four one six seventy four to forty Let us
Speaker 2: know what we should talk about? Yeah, football, basketball, whatever.
Speaker 5: Or maybe you think we're wrong about something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're always wrong usually are. Jay's
Speaker 2: not here, so we're fine. We've been a little bit
Speaker 2: more right since he left.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's still on the right.
Speaker 6: Well, so for context, when I was an intern and
Speaker 6: I would pose questions to him, he would make this
Speaker 6: space and he would contort his space of just like no,
Speaker 6: you're wrong, and I'm like, is that your personal opinion
Speaker 6: or your professional opinion?
Speaker 5: And so him and I would get into it. Steve
Speaker 5: and I would agree on a lot of things.
Speaker 2: They did not like that I challenged him, but him,
Speaker 2: you and who's the other guy who's al a two Huntley?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: Uh Mike, Oh well, same thing, same thing? Yeah, Jay,
Speaker 2: you crossed Jay and you know he starts giving the look.
Speaker 2: I love the look because back and forth. But you
Speaker 2: guys don't get into it because you think the same.
Speaker 2: I think we're very much fans, yeah, very very fan oriented.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I'm losing it a little bit
Speaker 2: as of recently. Yeah, eventually it's going to wear off.
Speaker 2: The business is getting to me. I don't like what
Speaker 2: what part of it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 4: Like for example, this week in the Denver game, there
Speaker 4: was many players where I would have lost it over
Speaker 4: over some small detail and I'm just yeah, okay, sure,
Speaker 4: well that's a nice play, good job.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's how I game. Very And I talked
Speaker 2: to d because I don't think you maybe you did
Speaker 2: every now and again, the we thing we got you
Speaker 2: off the we thing. I'm very bad at that. You know,
Speaker 2: we Arizona we we Yes, maybe we let you do
Speaker 2: it a couple of times because you're still a student,
Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Well, I was also working with the team, so I
Speaker 6: was a wee I was a little little different scenario.
Speaker 5: But no, like it's definitely church and state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very bad at it. Yeah, well eventually we're off.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just does because you have to. But
Speaker 2: you notice, do you notice even in the rooms when
Speaker 2: you go to the press conference, the the wiz and
Speaker 2: the non weeze, because yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I do, those that are able to separate themselves out
Speaker 6: from the fan and the sport, being the professional.
Speaker 2: M And you're thoughts on that on the wei's who
Speaker 2: are still wheeze and they shouldn't be wheeze because they're
Speaker 2: not weeze. They're covering the team. I'm indifferent about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can probably just because I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 4: still in that week category because you're a student. But
Speaker 4: I've gotten a lot better about noticing it. Every every
Speaker 4: time it happens, I'm like, well, there we go again.
Speaker 4: I put a nickel in the jar. It's a big
Speaker 4: jar right now, right, and you can't cheer, I mean
Speaker 4: you can't. You might cheer down. That was the hardest
Speaker 4: part to just too. Especially in that opening game that
Speaker 4: was the first the New Mexico game. Yeah, that was
Speaker 4: the first event, first event I covered, and it was
Speaker 4: a record breaking game.
Speaker 2: It was a right. It was supposed to be.
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be the outlook on the season, you know,
Speaker 4: for at the t MAC and I had to sit
Speaker 4: there like.
Speaker 15: I got.
Speaker 5: I got really good at that.
Speaker 6: Being on the sidelines with the team during games, you
Speaker 6: just kind of go you just nod your head and
Speaker 6: go all right, you think you can think it in
Speaker 6: your head, but you cannot say it out loud.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you're kind of you're on the sideline, you're
Speaker 2: with the team. You can do that.
Speaker 6: There was a certain level that we were allowed, quote
Speaker 6: unquote like allowed to do typically if you were in eyeshot.
Speaker 6: There were definitely times teams celebrated my feet were no
Speaker 6: longer on the ground. They would pick me up and
Speaker 6: move me, and all of a sudden I would be
Speaker 6: set back down and they go, oh.
Speaker 5: You're not supposed to be movable. I went yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 5: my feet are supposed to remain on the ground.
Speaker 2: So eventually we're off. You may not even be part
Speaker 2: of this world of journalism. We'll see what happens. See
Speaker 2: if I can find a window to go through. Yeah,
Speaker 2: hopefully tough, good luck, thank you, Yeah, as D would know.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, if any wants to call, anybody wants to call,
Speaker 2: please do five two zero, four, one, six, seventy four forty.
Speaker 2: And then you have all the internet sports writers. Yeah
Speaker 2: if you notice that too. And I have noticed that
Speaker 2: they don't have degrees. They don't have degrees, but they
Speaker 2: know everything. Everyone knows everything nowadays.
Speaker 5: There's some one with an opinion and a place to
Speaker 5: put it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, Like I said, we're part of the
Speaker 2: Fraser Crane. You don't even know who Fraser Crane is, probably,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I've heard Fraser Crane. He's a
Speaker 2: radio guy who is a fictitious TV show, Fraser Crane,
Speaker 2: and he was a radio shoot show a lot of problems,
Speaker 2: a lot of issues, psychological and otherwise. But he could
Speaker 2: solve everybody else's problems, but not his own. And that's
Speaker 2: what this is all about. Yeah, yeah, we could solve
Speaker 2: tell me Lloyd's problems.
Speaker 4: I actually put something out there on X right after
Speaker 4: the UCLA game. I didn't get a lot of opinions
Speaker 4: on it. Yeah, I said, does Arizona make the term
Speaker 4: of the question you've been asking? Yeah, it was I
Speaker 4: think seventy nine percent. No, absolutely, really, absolutely, and these
Speaker 4: are I even put one that said too early to
Speaker 4: tell nothing for that. I think I got two votes
Speaker 4: for yes, absolutely and absolutely not with seventy one percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's too timing of it, because they're pretty
Speaker 2: upset that they're seeing what we're seeing.
Speaker 5: But it's it's it wasn't just the one game.
Speaker 6: It's it's not happening right through the season, and even
Speaker 6: in the games that they're winning, it's happening, and they
Speaker 6: just happen to be outscoring those other teams that they're beating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot of those and they're not
Speaker 2: that good. I'll just put this in perspective with what
Speaker 2: you do for a living. Now, it's one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars horse against the twenty five dollars dollars claimer in
Speaker 2: the wins that they're playing, and they're getting the canecious
Speaker 2: is the old dominion blah, blah blah. But now when
Speaker 2: you put a one hundred thousand dollars horse against another
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars horse, they're losing those races. And
Speaker 2: that's not a good thing, is because because in three
Speaker 2: months at the tournament, you're gonna have a bunch of
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars horses.
Speaker 5: They are trying to step up in class and they
Speaker 5: cannot do it.
Speaker 2: And they can't do it. I mean, that's the issue.
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, Okay, you're
Speaker 2: going to have the Iowa States in the Houston on
Speaker 2: the road. On the road shot, You're you have a
Speaker 2: jockey who's overweight, you have a lot of handicaps pounds,
Speaker 2: and how are they going to manage it if they
Speaker 2: can't manage it even at the house?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I go back to whether you're talking
Speaker 6: horses or other sports, it's it starts at home, It
Speaker 6: starts at practice. It starts with mentality, with physicalness it.
Speaker 5: You know, you got to have the yang to the yang.
Speaker 6: You got to have someone to play good cop and
Speaker 6: someone to balance you out and have that little bit
Speaker 6: more aggressive feel to it to want you to be better,
Speaker 6: to want to inspire you, because if you don't have
Speaker 6: that voice in your head, you're not going to be
Speaker 6: there on game day.
Speaker 5: You're not going to be present, you're not going to
Speaker 5: want to perform.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well tell me. In the press conference that we
Speaker 2: listen to originally when we want to break he talked
Speaker 2: more about owning it. He's up for the challenge. He
Speaker 2: likes the challenge. Now he has to get to the challenge, right,
Speaker 2: and we'll see if that happens this weekend. It's another
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars a couple of horses. They should
Speaker 2: win it.
Speaker 5: They've stepped down in class.
Speaker 6: They're now running in an optional fifty thousand dollars claimer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for people who don't understand, they get it. It's
Speaker 2: like Cell Point facing green Fields. Yeah, and they should
Speaker 2: be able to do so. With Tommy Lloyd facing this challenge,
Speaker 2: what happens if he fails that? That's a good question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my question. Is what is he doing
Speaker 5: to own the outcome? What is owning the outcome?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the whole problem. I mean, he's this is
Speaker 2: not just this season. This is the rest of his
Speaker 2: career in the Big twelve, right, Because Okay, he fails
Speaker 2: this one, well, next year it's not going to get
Speaker 2: any easier with people that may or may not. Well,
Speaker 2: then you'll lose Love. You lose people, and you'll have
Speaker 2: to do better at recruiting.
Speaker 5: But if Love's not doing anything for you this year,
Speaker 5: is he really that harmful for you to lose next year?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: No, but you know you have to find replacements for
Speaker 2: the people that come and go. But if he don't
Speaker 2: do it this year, next year is not going to
Speaker 2: be any easier, if not harder.
Speaker 6: Well, then he's back in the same spot that Brennan's
Speaker 6: in right now with playing the game and the transfer
Speaker 6: portal even more so, and trying to keep the team
Speaker 6: home because he's trying to write, essentially say we're gonna win,
Speaker 6: but doesn't have the doesn't have the players to show it.
Speaker 2: So it's just the world today, right If that's a
Speaker 2: good question one, because if he doesn't get it fixed now,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure he's gonna be able to get it
Speaker 2: fixed down the road. Uh, just style and things like that,
Speaker 2: and and where else do you have to be tough
Speaker 2: for the thing that we talked about at the beginning.
Speaker 2: But in the big twelve Honestly, fir'st supposed to be
Speaker 2: the best conference in n C A A. And what
Speaker 2: do you what's a requirement in that conference? Toughness? Toughness?
Speaker 2: Who are you going to get it from a waka? Maybe?
Speaker 5: Maybe, but it can't be one person.
Speaker 6: Can not have one person just willing to go like
Speaker 6: fling a body around and be able to like hold
Speaker 6: their own.
Speaker 5: Everybody's got to hold their own.
Speaker 2: Here's another thing we talked about, tough minded. D Uh,
Speaker 2: I'll give you the the thing now. Is Love tough minded? No,
Speaker 2: you don't even have to think about it. No, No,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't be going through the stuff if you were.
Speaker 5: My opinion on Caleb, Love is very similar to you.
Speaker 2: You're going to go there, go there because you were
Speaker 2: you were pretty critical and you were spot on sput
Speaker 2: on with kurb because everybody loved them, but they were
Speaker 2: frustrated and eventually said, okay.
Speaker 6: I think Love is another kind of polarizing player. When
Speaker 6: he's on, he's on, and when he's off, he gets
Speaker 6: in his own head and he's just then useless on
Speaker 6: the court. He's just another body out there, and that
Speaker 6: doesn't do you any good, especially when you have two
Speaker 6: guards that are constantly trying to drive the hoop. There
Speaker 6: you have your ball hogs, and occasionally you need a
Speaker 6: ball hog. You need someone to get that going. But
Speaker 6: if you do not have someone that's willing to shoot
Speaker 6: from the perimeter, it's game over, especially in this division.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, he's out there doing cardio, just
Speaker 2: running and it's not even fast cardio. No, it's like
Speaker 2: a jog cardio. Yeah. Yeah, it's no wonder. It's no
Speaker 2: wonder that the NBA people don't like his game.
Speaker 4: And I think it's the thing of his's why in
Speaker 4: his fifth, sixth tier of college basketball.
Speaker 5: He should know by now, he should sure.
Speaker 2: Especially especially if they've already told you.
Speaker 6: You need to do this, this, and that, which tells
Speaker 6: me if if he's not doing it, he's not coachable.
Speaker 6: He is stuck in his own ways and he's doing
Speaker 6: his own thing. And if they've told him and he's
Speaker 6: changed schools because they've told him he needs to change,
Speaker 6: he is uncoachable. And my dad would say that is
Speaker 6: not someone he'd ever want on his team. He that
Speaker 6: person on the bench, because he'd rather put someone in
Speaker 6: that is going to listen and.
Speaker 5: Want to adapt and want to change.
Speaker 6: And I think that's all part of the problem with
Speaker 6: the transfer portal is you get these kids in and
Speaker 6: they've been told six different things by twelve different people.
Speaker 5: How much are they going to be willing to change.
Speaker 6: They have their game, they have what they're good at,
Speaker 6: and now you're going to ask them to try and
Speaker 6: do something.
Speaker 2: Now, Well, that's part of the problem because Temmy had
Speaker 2: asked him to change, right, he saw the player from
Speaker 2: last year. He wanted to temper them, kind of be
Speaker 2: more efficient, do other things. Does he ask him to
Speaker 2: go back to being.
Speaker 3: What he was?
Speaker 2: No, this isn't working.
Speaker 6: No, But if Tommy Lloyd wants to keep him, I
Speaker 6: think they're going to be at a crossroads.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There are yeah, there you are well and then you
Speaker 2: talk about the one ball and I talked to Tommy Well.
Speaker 2: I asked the question of Tommy on Saturday. If Caleb's
Speaker 2: not doing the job, do you turn to the guy
Speaker 2: next to him? It was Jayden who had a pretty
Speaker 2: good game and took control and was very aggressive. But
Speaker 2: that's who he is, right, That's who he is. He's
Speaker 2: a ball guy, gets down, puts his head down and
Speaker 2: goes to the basket. Is that type of player going
Speaker 2: to save you when you have other players waiting.
Speaker 6: For the ball to not if they're Hugh can have
Speaker 6: that person, but they have to be willing to pick
Speaker 6: their head up and pass the ball. You have to
Speaker 6: I'm not saying everybody needs to touch the ball, but
Speaker 6: you have to be able to have good ball movement
Speaker 6: to create and that's.
Speaker 2: The problem because it doesn't create good ball movement because
Speaker 2: you have one guy with the ball.
Speaker 6: And then you're back to selfish player because they're trying
Speaker 6: to get all the points. They're trying to get all
Speaker 6: the statistics instead of moving the ball allowing something to
Speaker 6: set up. And then you're stuck with poor time management
Speaker 6: because you can't get the ball where it needs to go.
Speaker 2: So to both of you, do you think this will
Speaker 2: be fixed this year? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Unlikely.
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance very who says that the
Speaker 2: then and you're saying that no, just.
Speaker 4: Because I think at some point they're going to find
Speaker 4: their rhythm and it's and I say rhythm as in
Speaker 4: their shooting rhythm. Right now, it seems like every player,
Speaker 4: almost every player is just chucking it up hoping it
Speaker 4: goes in.
Speaker 5: Okay, So whose fault is that?
Speaker 6: Is that the players for not being competent to do
Speaker 6: the ball or the shooting coach, or is that Tommy
Speaker 6: not wanting to give them more structure.
Speaker 5: On the court.
Speaker 2: No, that's the player. I think it's the player.
Speaker 6: But Tommy said in his press conference that we were
Speaker 6: listening to in between breaks, he allows them to go
Speaker 6: out and make a lot of.
Speaker 5: Their own choice.
Speaker 6: Sure, sure, do they need more structure from Tommy on
Speaker 6: the court to be able to make that improv Well
Speaker 6: what did he say?
Speaker 2: It was funny because he said, not necessarily, because sometimes
Speaker 2: as it looks to your eyes, it's it's maybe look
Speaker 2: a little chaos chaotic, but it's not because that's what
Speaker 2: they practice and that's how they practice. They practice fast.
Speaker 2: They got to go go to go fast, and no
Speaker 2: team except for that that ten minute spot is Saturday
Speaker 2: where they looked, holy crap, this is the team that
Speaker 2: you guess what they're doing, moving the ball, running up
Speaker 2: and down, scoring baskets easy. They got that thirteen point
Speaker 2: lead and then all of a sudden that that team disappeared.
Speaker 4: And even even if they were to have gotten into
Speaker 4: a situation where they said, okay, let's just go down,
Speaker 4: get some fouls, fall down, and that's what he said.
Speaker 2: We're not a great free throw shooting team.
Speaker 4: And I've said this for even Miller's teams were not
Speaker 4: great at the freedom line.
Speaker 2: Yet that's our goal.
Speaker 5: You should be shooting eighty percent of the line minimum.
Speaker 2: So that's what happened last year when they could hit
Speaker 2: shots against thumpson right. Yep, they went two for three.
Speaker 2: For whatever it was.
Speaker 6: Bala was the biggest was the biggest person involved in that.
Speaker 6: Like he'd go down, he'd get fouled, and you'd be
Speaker 6: lucky if he made.
Speaker 2: One rush and then you're just hoping that and then
Speaker 2: you're just helping.
Speaker 6: It was an ugly looking shot, Like as someone who's
Speaker 6: worked with shooting coaches before, like it's like I can
Speaker 6: look at a shot and go like, Okay, that's a
Speaker 6: good shot or it doesn't work or whatever, and it's
Speaker 6: just he had an ugly looking shot.
Speaker 2: Right, and I'm sure that hasn't changed. He's shooting with
Speaker 2: his left hand now, free throws that hurd. Are we
Speaker 2: ready to go? Is it fifty five? Hey? Good good job,
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, d thanks for coming in. I think we
Speaker 2: might see you later this week.
Speaker 5: I would be happy to be back possibly.
Speaker 2: Thank you one.
Speaker 12: Is this for you.
Speaker 2: I'm a numb for the week till next Monday. Okay, great, great,
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